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This is the Litterbox, a Detroit Lions podcast

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with your hosts, Chad West and Bill Patterson.

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Lions Litterbox listeners. Exciting times week

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one is upon us and the Detroit Lions your Honolulu

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blue and silver are traveling to the hallowed

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fabled grounds of the frozen tundra Which it

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won't be in September of Lambeau field, but it

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will be a little chilly this weekend bill. Oh,

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yeah a little bit I mean they were looking at

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60 probably. Okay. Well, that's still warm for

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Lambeau Ironically enough the Packers have the

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longest home opener winning streak in the NFL

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currently at 21 games. And that is something

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that I think is going to fall. So that's a little

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teaser for you on this. I'm going to get into

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Lambeau food and a story. Have you been so you've

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been to Lambeau? I've never been to Lambeau.

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I haven't had this experience yet. You've been

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there. And this is the first time I went and

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it's the best time I went and it's a great story.

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So As much as I hate the Packers and Lambo, I

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feel like it's kind of like going to a football

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church in a way. It was going to the high church.

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A bunch of us came in from out of town. We somehow

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secured practice jerseys off the Lions website

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and they were all number 95. Some guy named Chalinski

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that never made it out of summer camp. So we

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all had matching jerseys and we drove up a little

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hot because we had a holiday party the night

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before. It was a December game with Joey Harrington

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versus Brett Favre and we show up at Lambeau

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in our Chalinski jerseys wearing full ski snowboard

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outfits, caps, multiple pairs of long underwear,

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snowboard boots or, you know, sorrels. And it's

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cold. They flexed the game to the 325 start for

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TV purposes. We show up with a football, a grill,

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and a cooler thinking that we are going to tailgate

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with the best of them in the hallowed grounds,

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not realizing that they had built an atrium at

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Lambeau Field. They have a Packers Hall of Fame,

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a brewery, chili, all sorts of delicious encased

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meats. in live bands inside the atrium. So we

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spend the first two hours freezing our keisters

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off, tossing around a football, trying to figure

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out where everybody is, because people park and

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then just vanish. And only to find out, we finally

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walk past the portageons to go into the atrium

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just to check out what's going on and realize

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that we were the rubes. that had been suffering

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when everybody else was like sampling or eating

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this delicious chili, which is the good food

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to get there. So really quick, two things you

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have to do at Lambeau Field. One, you have to

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get the chili. It sells out usually at the end

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of the first quarter. It's divine. Don't know

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what they put in it. Probably don't want to know.

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Number two, you have to get a Sheboygan brat

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and you got to load that thing up with stadium

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mustard and you got to scarf it down. It's not

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a pocket wiener. Let's just say that you got

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to eat it hot there. Also, when we went the third

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week of December, it was freezing, freezing cold.

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So much in fact that your Miller Lite, which

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is the drink of choice, would have ice crystals

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about two thirds of the way down. So you had

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to drink it fast. And that's kind of my telltale

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is if you go take Part in the H room, enjoy the

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H room. See the live music. Partake in the Packers

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Hall of Fame. Enjoy the clean indoor restrooms

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and plumbing that they have. You don't need to

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suffer like our grandfathers and forefathers

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did. This is part of what I guess shocks me.

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And I think it shocked you guys. Like, they have

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this nice experience indoors that I wouldn't

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have thought. My images are of guys eating sausages,

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you know, out of the back of their car in a parking

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lot at some rough tailgate where smoke is blowing

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out of everybody's mouth because it's... Negative

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five degrees out or something. That's fantastic.

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We need to recap We need to make the trip for

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you sometime at some point They've really elevated

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it and made it like the whole I don't want to

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compare it to religion, but it is like the bucket

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list Yeah, you know top sure thing for NFL or

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football fans the temple. It's the temple It

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has a much more collegiate atmosphere, but it's

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huge Is the other thing. So we're looking at

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a game here that's getting, I mean, there's already

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the hyperbolas already spinning around this thing

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as to what Mike Parsons is going to do for the

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Packers. And are the Lions going to be OK without

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Ben Johnson? Are we going to see what kind of

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a game are we going to see here? The Packers

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never lose on opening day at Lambeau. I'm kind

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of starting to look at this as how much of this

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is going to fall with a big thud. Like the whole

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Parsons thing. Do you think he makes that big

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a difference? So, let's talk keys to the game

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and I'll answer your question within that. Yeah.

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Number one, he's having some back problems and

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so he's questionable whether to play. The other

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portion of that, even if he does play... Some

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of his worst or most ineffective games in his

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professional career have been going up against

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Penae Sewell. So I think that's a matchup to

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watch. If he does line up against Taylor Decker,

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I think it's favorable for Micah Parsons, but

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not considerably favorable. Yes, he'll make a

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difference. He's a difference maker. He's a top,

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what, 10, 15 player in the NFL. His health is

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paramount, and I don't know how healthy he is.

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I think the thing that's not being talked about

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enough is how awesome Clark was in terms of being

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a run stopper. He was the longest tenured packer.

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He's now a cowboy and he stuffed and stopped

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the run in last night's kickoff classic or whatever

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we want to call it for the Cowboys. So Kenny

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Clark being gone I think is a bigger issue and

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I think this game comes down to really a very

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simple equation. If the Lions revamped offensive

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line with Glasgow at center mahogany and ratledge

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at the guards. If they're operating and providing

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lanes for Sonic and Knuckles to be able to run,

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the Lions are going to have their fourth straight

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win at Lambeau Field and the Packers streak is

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going to be over, which I think it is. I mean,

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21 is really impressive. It is. It's extremely

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impressive. And the Lions get up for this game.

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The other X factor that I think is going on is

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that the Packers top corner is a little banged

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up. And if they're not getting home and disrupting

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Jared Goff's timing, which Jared Goff's timing

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is going to be contingent on how well they're

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running the ball. Play action is Jared Goff's

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best friend. I think Aman St. Brown is going

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to have a monster day. And we all know that he

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wears the F Green Bay shirt under his jersey.

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He loves this game. One of my favorite photos

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of all time is the Packer fans flipping him off

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and he's blowing them kisses as he runs out the

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tunnel a few seasons ago. So I think those are

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kind of my keys to the game. Lions run the ball,

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play actions working, and I think the Lions are

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going to have somewhat of a field day if all

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those things go. I mean, the Packers defensive

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backfield is supposed to be their weakness. Okay,

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and we're going into this thinking all the Lions

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will throw all over him and that oh well They

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have Parsons now so that fixes the whole passing

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defense because they're gonna have a pass rush

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now and that'll instantly make their defensive

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backs better and we've seen this in Detroit year

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over year when you figure out how to throw against

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that pass rush and Poor defensive backs are going

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to be poor defensive backs regardless. You can

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pick them apart eventually and especially if

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you get the running game going and without Clark

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clogging things up This lion team might be taking

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five six -yard chunks every run play. I'm not

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saying this is going to be a blowout. Don't get

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me wrong That's not the case here, but The general

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gist of this is that the Lions are now no longer

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the favorite. Packers are the favorite, even

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in the division. So I'm trying to figure out

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how the Lions have lost so much ground just because

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of a Micah Parsons trade. No, you'd be wrong.

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Packers won 11 games last year. Good team. Jordan

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Love, good quarterback. I still think he's beatable

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for us. He's not one of those quarterback that

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causes us fits, so to speak, like Lamar Jackson.

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Agree with everything you said. And Nate Hobbs

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is who I was discussing. He is the de facto alpha,

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you know, cornerback on an island, locks down

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your number one, but he will be assigned most

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likely to St. Brown. And he had a foot procedure

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recently. Like he didn't do it in the off season.

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And he's still listed as questionable. So is

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Micah Parsons. And then so is Green Bay Center

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Elton Jenkins. And there's a big drop off from

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Jenkins to Sean Ryan, the backup. And then after

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that, another thing to just for our listeners

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to look at is Jacob Monk and Travis Glover are

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the backup. Third string center, third string

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right guard, but that's essentially their backup

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guards. They're both on IR. So the Packers are

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a little bit beat up. The other thing about the

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receiver room chat is Jayden Reed and Dontavion

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Wicks are both questionable for this game as

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has Savion Williams. So basically through the

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air, the Packers are asking a rookie Matthew

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Golden and Romeo Dobbs to really go up against

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this revamped and strong Lions secondary. So

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if Aiden Hutchinson and Marcus Davenport can

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get home and Tylek Williams and DJ Reader can

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hold the line of scrimmage and prevent Josh Jacobs

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from gashing them, I really like the Lions chances.

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If the Packers can run Josh Jacobs wild and Williams

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and Reed can't hold the point of attack, that

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the linebackers, you know, aren't making that

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first tackle through, you know, a yard to be

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on the line of scrimmage, it's going to be a

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long day. Josh Jacobs is the one weapon that

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really scares me on this Packers offense. Run

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defense is going to get tested in this game a

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little bit. Absolutely. I have a feeling we're

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going to find out what we got there. Yeah. And

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our, you know, our injuries, I don't think we've

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been, aside from the guys that we know that are

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out, like the Pashels, I get that. But the guys

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that have popped up on the report that are still

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sitting there are like Nowaski and Baki. who

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are not guys that we were expecting to contribute

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a whole ton in this game. Outside of special

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teams? No. Yeah. So I'm thinking we're as healthy

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as expected from day one of camp going into game

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one of the season. So. That's an upside. That's

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a good thing for us. I'd like to see us stay

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healthy because last year that did not work out

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after week one. Especially on one side of the

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ball. Yeah, exactly. We lost quite a few starters.

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So I'll be looking to see that run game. I think

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the Packers could exploit us with the run. We'll

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see how good our defense has improved by leaps

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and bounds. I think there's no way we couldn't

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have not improved to some degree or another just

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by being healthy. Curious to see how Aiden Hutchinson

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plays in this game. Are you at all? Are you anticipating

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anything there or do you think we're going to

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see the same old Hutch? I think we're going to

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see the same old Hutch. I think he's going to

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come out like he was shot out of a cannon. Just

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a gamer. Yeah, I think he's going to have a monster

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game. And Terry and Arnold, he's going to be

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a huge piece to this defensive backfield this

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year. Yeah, and if Reed is not 100%, that makes

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his job a lot easier. Much easier. So then he's

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on Golden who's a rookie. He's probably going

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to manhandle him just a little bit. And then

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that leaves Romeo Dobbs as your number one receiver

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to try to beat us. And I like the Lions secondary

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more than I like Romeo Dobbs. I like those odds.

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And speaking of odds, what do we have, Bill?

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We've got a spread here. First spread of the

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season. Are you shocked that the Lions are getting

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two at this point? What are you seeing? It's

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been all over the map. It was like as high as

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two and a half. I think it bumped to three right

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after the Parsons trade. It's dipped down to

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one and a half. It's fine. I mean if every team

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should get a field goal at home. So basically

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what the Sharks are favored by one Yeah, the

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Sharps are saying that they expect a Lions win.

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It's gonna be close to what you already said

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in a chat I couldn't agree with you more. I don't

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think this is gonna be a blowout unless There's

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one X factor For if Hutch and Davenport and company

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get home and force Jordan love into bad bad decisions

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and turnovers. Let's just say the turnover margin,

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for whatever reason, the Packers have three,

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the Lions don't have any. That's where the game

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could get lopsided. Okay, yeah. And what I mean

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by lopsided is eight points, 10 points, 12 points,

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you know, something like that. Those are some

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of the keys to the game that I see. What did

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I leave out that you'd like to add on to? Well,

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the over -under is 47. I'm going to give you

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a prediction eventually here. I've got some thoughts

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on how this thing ends. Let's do it. We got an

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over -under of 47. I think this game goes under.

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And I think it goes under due to the fact that

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I think the run game is going to be heavily utilized

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here in Green Bay this weekend. I could be wrong,

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but I have a feeling both these teams see a weakness

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in the other defense and it centers around the

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run. I'm gonna go final score, Lions 23, Packers

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20. Okay. I think that's where I'm sitting on

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this one. So you're going under on the over under

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and Lions win by three. So they're going to cover

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that spread and the money line for that matter,

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which is plus one 24. You're not getting much

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there with that, but no, it's, it's a, it's going

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to be a close game. What are your thoughts on

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final score? I had it at 24 20. So, uh, we're,

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we're I just see like some red zone failures

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turning into a field goal or two. I don't know

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why. Yeah. Week one and all. Yeah. That's a possibility.

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And I do think it's going to be a strong running

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game. For those listeners that like fantasy call

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outs, I would avoid either quarterback on this

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game because of everything we're just saying

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and the Sharps are, you know, giving that over

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under it. It's well below 50 or below 50. If

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you have Josh Jacobs, that would be a start.

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If you have Jameer Gibbs, that would be a start.

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If you have David Montgomery, that would be a

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start. If you have tight ends, like a Tucker

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- I would go with a tight end. Yeah, Musgrave

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or Tucker Kraft or a Sam Laporta. Please don't

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tell me you have Brock Wright or Shane Zylster

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on your fantasy team. If you're looking for a

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losing start right off the bat. You don't want

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to do that. So I would say the tight ends. And

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then the only receiver I'd probably put in the

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must -start list would probably be St. Brown.

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I just think he's going to get... See a lot of

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short crossing patterns for anyone not in this

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game. I can see eight plus catches. So that's

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another prep bet that I would probably take.

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I've seen that out there. This is not a Jameson

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Williams game, probably. If he does, he's going

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to get... It'll be like one big one that they

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pop or something. Three, maybe four touches.

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I could see Jamo scoring. That's a gamble though.

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You've got better options. You're not playing

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Jamo. Yeah, yeah. Do you disagree with any of

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my fantasy thoughts? I don't. I'm right on you

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with the running backs. I think the running backs

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are going to be the key to fantasy points in

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this game. I think the quarterbacks are both

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going to have a suppressed point output. I wouldn't

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go with Love or Goff in a single QB league, definitely.

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I like your call on Amon Rah. It's interesting,

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and he's been sick this week, but are we gonna

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see a Tesla sighting out there? Is he gonna play

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a role? He could be like your, you know, your

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possession guy out on the boundary. I don't know.

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I don't know. Maybe. Maybe. I'm kind of hoping

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for it. I don't know why. I just want to see

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this kid do well. He's kind of a guy I'm gonna

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be... I'm on him a little bit, you know? Totally

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fair totally fine. I wouldn't play him if you

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got I got him in one of my fantasy I'm not playing

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them. Yeah, I don't know if this is the week,

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but let's see. I do think this is a body blow

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game and Critical for whoever wins it because

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I think the loser is gonna be beat up in a big

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way Well, the winner is gonna be beat up as well,

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but they'll have won and the Lions host the Chicago

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Bears and Benedict Johnson week two Such an interesting

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start to our season this year Yeah, it really

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is like two must -watch games after the last

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two or we've started with the Chiefs or you know,

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and it's just crazy Yeah, so I like the Lions

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chances on that the Packers then host the commanders

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week two So it's always interesting the Lions

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in the past. Let's just say two three seasons

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really beat teams up and the weak following teams

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just aren't their same selves. Watch Vikings

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-Bears this weekend? It's Monday night, yes.

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Yeah. You're gonna watch them Monday night? Of

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course. I wanna see Benedict's first game, see

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what he's got. I don't know that the Vikings

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go where J .J. McCarthy goes, so we'll see how

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he does. X factor in that game is Harrison Smith

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not being 100%. He's 36 years old. He has been

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the key and captain to the Vikings defense. Look

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at you with the deep NFC North dig there. If

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he doesn't go, I like the Bears chances a lot.

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Although I imagine Kevin O 'Connell will have

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something. Very well designed playbook for J

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.J. McCarthy. We got the Lions to cover. We got

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the under. We think Lions are going to win the

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game by about a field goal or hair more. And

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I'm gonna go dub errors in the other Division

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games. So you're gonna be Green Bay and Minnesota

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fans. You're gonna be looking up at the standings

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after one week. And then... Boy. Bill has thrown

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down the gauntlet early. All right. Well, that'll

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do it for this episode. We'll be back with some

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reactions post -game next week. Everybody have

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a good week one. You're in bloom. Your flower

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is blooming right now for the football season.

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Enjoy yourselves. See you next week, Honolulu

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Blue and Silver.
