This is The Litterbox, a Detroit Lions podcast,
with your hosts, Chet West and Bill Patterson.
Lions Litterbox listeners, welcome to The Litterbox,
Lions edition, third episode. And we've got news
for you. I'm here with my co -host Chet West
and we're gonna talk about preseason game number
three against the Miami Dolphins and It was a
loss for the Lions 24 -17, but that's not really
the important story of this and Chet I'm gonna
let you comment in just one minute the important
aspect of this is that Tuesday and Wednesday
the two teams the Dolphins Lions had joint practices
Colton Pouncey from The Athletic who is someone
I respect immensely. He used to cover Michigan
State and their beat and then has graduated and
moved to the Lions beat and he said Tuesday on
Twitter or X whatever you want to call it that
it was like the varsity scrimmaging against an
eighth grade or freshman team. That the Lions
dominated both lines of scrimmages to the point
that the Dolphins were quote -unquote embarrassed.
That is, I think, the major story outside of
these quick storylines and then I'm firing it
over to you. One, Hendon Hooker fell even further
behind. Kyle Allen looked real good. The Lions
have two receivers battling for the final roster
spots in that receiver slash tight end room.
And that's going to be something very interesting
going forward. And then Broderick Martin, who
everybody really hoped would show up, is Missing
an action meaning he played had two awful penalties
and was non -existent For a Lions team that was
really stout against the run against the Dolphins
So I have a host of thoughts But I really want
to turn it over to my co -host and let him give
us some his His thoughts and I'll come back to
me a couple of things. I found that were pretty
impressive one is the preseason game Ford Field
looked and sounded like a freaking playoff hemisphere.
I mean the people in this city are ready to go
for football. There's a lot of pride showing
up in this day and age behind your Lions. The
days of the brown bags on the faces and whatnot,
those are over. I mean, people are really, really
into this squad. One thing they're not into,
Hendon Hooker, he once again turned the ball
over, had a bad game. Here's my take on backup
quarterbacks. As you go down the chart, your
second string guy has got to be able to run the
offense and score. Protect the football. Your
third string guy doesn't even have to be able
to score. He's just got to protect the football.
Just protect the football. Don't turn over the
dang ball. What does Hendon Hooker do? Turns
over the football. He also doesn't score, doesn't
move the offense. I don't even see a spot in
this organization for him on like a practice
squad right now. I don't see a spot for him.
I think Fundamentally, now I'm sure he's stuck
around for as long as he has. I'm sure he's a
locker room guy. Fundamentally, he just doesn't
seem to match Dan Campbell football on the football
field. It's not Dan Campbell football. It's professional
football or confidence football. Just the overall.
He's not going to end up anywhere in your eyes.
He's looking to run the second the pocket breaks
down. He can't look beyond his first read. He
follows that receipt. Boy, does he telegraph
a pass better than anybody. My goodness. Man,
he cannot get to the second. Doesn't look off
a guy to save his life. Third read is not in
his playbook. I don't even think a second read
is there to be honest. No, no, I don't think
so either. And I listen to a lot of other podcasts.
I read a lot of other media. And everything I'm
gathering is that the team and his teammates
are starting to get frustrated with it. For the
fact that They set it up on a platter for him
to be able to run the two -minute offense the
last two weeks, and he screwed it up. I mean,
in regard to who's in the lead for that number
two role, and I don't think there's a question
to anybody. We don't have to beat this to death.
No. But Dan Campbell's quote, I would trust Kyle
more because he's proven more after these two
games. There you go. Al looked great against
the Dolphins. I mean, Al has looked good in two
games now. Yeah. He led one six -minute drive
that resulted in a touchdown to Meeks. And it
was really, really, really productive and good.
And then, what every second string, third string,
fourth string quarterback wants, is two minute
drill before the half. It's your time to shine,
and he executed that, and then our guy Cole slaw,
or T slaw, or have you heard the new one? Optimus
Prime. Optimus Prime. Do you get why? Yeah. Megatron,
Optimus Prime. teen 81 81 the numbers I Didn't
even think of that. Yeah, I didn't even think
of that. I haven't even looked at this number
yet Okay, and then the other nickname I heard
was mayo slaw Mayo slaw is good to anything with
a slaw will probably we know we like our food.
I I think he's gonna be, I mean, he's gonna take
that Tim Patrick role right away from Tim Patrick,
I think. And I like Tim Patrick, don't get me
wrong, I just think that Slaw is gonna be out
there as a, like, it would be really difficult
to call him a number three receiver right now,
but I think he's gonna be a number three receiver
for the Lions pretty soon. We already teased
it. Yeah, I there's no way Jameson reassigns
with this team regardless of how you know anyway
So well the only way I would say is if they franchise
him He is going to have an unbelievable season.
Okay. Well, then they franchise us if you saw
these I don't know if you watched any of the
video from the combined practices with Miami
He and I'm on I did who boy. They look good.
I mean it's practice. Okay, it's practice talking
about practice, but They looked awesome and so
did T -Slaw they he looked great So I don't I
mean, I think you got three guys right there
I'm excited to watch this guy play with the with
the first string and against first string so
we can see if he's really all that I don't think
there's a chance. He's a Tom Kennedy We'll put
it that way whose stock is falling finally and
probably won't even make a practice squad this
year, but But he's definitely at the top of my
list, the guys I'm excited to see play this season
as far as new flavors go. I'm excited to see
any of our starters. You know, I don't typically
like preseason. I've said it because we just
don't see the guys we're going to see. But another
one of your guys, Bill, had a pretty good game
himself, not only as running back, but on special
teams. Sionevaki. I gave everybody the heads
up on that. You gave everybody the heads up on
Sionevaki? No, that his hamstring's healthy,
or healthy -ish. He had a great game. He could
take Craig Reynolds' spot. As much as everybody
loves Craig, Sionevaki's gonna make the team
regardless, because he's got high upside for
special teams. Yeah. So on that note, if you
could... turn it over to me. I did my, you take
it, go on. I did my projected 53 man is what
we know now. This is so subject to change and
I'm going to do it slow so you can like say yay
or nay. Are you going to go through all 53? Yeah.
I mean, what else are we going to do for the
next 22 minutes? Buckle up folks. Obviously St.
Brown and Williams are your two starting receivers.
I don't see Khalif Raymond not making the team,
but I've heard that he is in danger of being
cut if he cannot return punts and kicks. And
look how he's become an afterthought. Very interesting.
He got hurt last year. Yeah, I know. I get it.
But that's why the league's called not for long.
Our boy Coleslaw is on. Our boy Patrick is on.
Meeks is a question mark, but I have him on right
now, which gives you a whopping six receivers,
which means that Meeks and Coleslaw are going
to have to pay. place serious minutes on special
teams. That means I love it. I do not have. I
love it. You don't have him. Don't have him making
the team. Okay. Give me a case for it. Well,
I think he's just a step behind slaw right now
and just a draft pick. So you're going to have
to find a little spot for him somewhere. I think
you could be a practice squad player. Could they'll
keep a receiver on the practice squad. You're
allowed to be. Could be. Could be. Okay. This
is an area that I do have a blank spot. So this
is going to be the third spot on the roster.
For tight end, I only have Laporta and Brock
Wright. I do not have a third tight end. Zylstra
played terribly, has had a gazillion penalties,
no pun intended, and has also hurt now. I imagine
that tight end might be something they pick up
after final roster cuts happened for the third
tight end. Interesting. If you have other intel
or not. I actually read that they're going to
probably pull somebody at roster cuts. But I
don't know that Zylstra is completely out of
the picture. I think if he were healthy, he'd
have a shot. Yeah, probably. But I get where
you're going. He didn't have the greatest. No,
he said the greatest game this past week and
he's had a pretty bad preseason. So it was all
there for him with all the opportunities had.
Yeah. All right. Running backs, Gibbs, Montgomery.
I think Craig makes the team and I also know
Vocky will. So I think they keep four running
backs. You think sailors is destined for the.
Practice squad practice squad. Okay. Yeah, that's
just my opinion. Okay. Here's where it gets a
little controversial I only have golf and alien
making the team right now I am not certain that
the second string quarterback is on this roster
But right now I've seen enough you've seen enough.
We've all seen enough of hand and hooker Unless
he comes out and lights it up. He is practice
squad at best And that would be, I think, a huge
detriment to Brad Holmes. You have to know when
to fold when your draft picks don't work. Campbell's
quote on Hooker sounded like, well, we don't
have many other choices at the moment. He was
like, we're still going to coach Hooker up. We're
still going to see what's there and see if we
can get him better. I mean, we still got a little
bit here. He's like, what else am I going to
do? Until they get somebody, this is it. It's
very AJ Hinch with a leadoff hitter. A little
pink. He just doesn't have one. He just doesn't
have one. So he's got to do with what he's got.
Yeah. Starting O -line, Decker at left tackle,
obviously Sewell at right tackle. Ratlich has
looked exceptional next to Sewell. Here is something
that I've gleaned from national media. Jonah
Jackson, who is really, really exceptional in
one year playing next to Penne Sewell. Basically
made a Pro Bowl and then is an alternate I think
and then signed a huge deal with the Rams and
was cut Thereafter not not not benched. He was
outright cut. I think Sewell is like John Hanna
Like who are the other great tackles in the league?
Who is that monster from Ohio State that like
just dominated for years? It'll come to me in
a minute. He is He is, because John Hannah was
a guard. I'm sorry about that. Thinking of like
Orlando Pace. Bingo. He is, I think he could
be that good in his lifetime. Okay. And so you've
got that. Mahogany's settling in. I think he's
the weakest link on this offensive line at left
guard. And then you've got Glasgow and apparently
I read Subtext that basically said that the lions
knew that right now was probably hanging it up
and that he and Glasgow had talked about this
transition and that was. Also why Kevin Zeitler
was kind of exit stage right because the Lions
knew they wanted to go younger They would have
paid Zeitler, but not what the Titans were willing
to pay him Backups, I've got skipper menu. I
still have Corby Soarsdale on here only because
he's Lions draft pick I know he's hurt and then
I've got Frazier who's also hurt so Know that
there's two open spots there that will still
develop because injured list will conflict with
that If you want to provide a couple names I'm
happy to but I haven't seen a report that says
These guys are for sure gonna make it outside
of I have one name that apparently is for sure
gonna be cut so I Look at I mean we're gonna
our five or Decker mahogany Glasgow Sewell and
Ratledge Those are the guys they're gonna get
the starting nod right done and then Dan Dan
skipper when you know skipper eligible Eligible
is a receiver. Right? So I think you're looking,
I don't think Manu has evolved like they thought
he may. So I don't even know if he makes, he
gets a backup role at this point. There was a
guy, Iguacun, Kingsley Iguacun. He had a decent
showing in this game, but he's not. I don't know
that he makes the team. He was terrible against
the Falcons. He was the lowest. He was bad against
the Falcons. Outside of Hendon Hooker, he was
the second lowest PFF grade against the Falcons.
But he did improve for the Dolphins. But who
knows if that's against the Dolphins? Who knows
why these things happening in the preseason?
But I don't think I see anybody beyond our starting
five, other than skipper tackle eligible, that
really jumps in. and takes a spot. I mean, and
you've got Colon and Frazier injured. So we may
have some offensive line depth issues this year.
Like who comes in on a rotation even? You're
going to put Manu in there on a rotation? He's
the best that they probably have. Skipper and
Manu are going to rotate in like when guys need
a blow for a down. Yeah, Skipper's been playing
with the... third team at this point. I know.
So yeah, no, depth is definitely, but I mean,
depth's an issue for everybody. Mason Miller
is a rookie, maybe him, but I don't see. Yeah,
I don't know. I don't know. So like I said, I
have a tight end question. Obviously, we overloaded
at receiver. We had six, we had four running
backs, and there's two open positions for offensive
linemen. And that was with the Lions keeping
two quarterbacks, not three. So I'm just letting
everybody. So let's hope the offensive line stays
healthy. Which never happens, but I'm just giving
up just everybody just a quick snapshot So now
let's go to the other side of the ball. Mm -hmm.
Okay, DJ reader will be a starter in defensive
tackle Okay, a Lee McNeil will when he gets back
off the injured list Roderick Martin might be
the biggest disappointment outside of Hendon
Hooker, but I still have him making the roster
for the fact that He at least is healthy, which
I know is not good. Then I'm going Williams the
rookie. He and Reader will be your starters at
Defensive Tackle. I think that's going to be
it. I was just about to say I think Tylek is
going to be next to Reader as the starting DTs
to begin the season. Yeah, yeah, definitely,
definitely. I think you're right on that. And
then Wingo is injured. I think he's part of their
long -term future, Mackay. Lopez, who they signed
as a free agent from the Cardinals. is also injured,
but not seriously injured. So I think that's
kind of your defensive tackle room. The one that
I would say is a question mark is Martin, and
maybe something else happens there. So until
McNeil and Wingo come back, I think you're going
to see Reeder, Lopez, and Tiley kind of rotating
in the middle there. I don't know if you're going
to see a Pat O 'Connor. Remember Mr. O 'Connor?
He kind of came in and played a little last season
here and there. I think he makes the team and
he is one of the ones I had on my kind of like,
I left five or six open spots. I think that's
a really good shout out on your part for Pat
O 'Connor. A, because he played serviceable,
if not above, I would put him, if we used a baseball
term, he was above replacement player, meaning
he didn't cost you games. He held the line of
scrimmage and so he is one that I can see making
this team. Anybody else? Keith Cooper is a rookie.
Might get a little look there. I've heard good
things. I think he'll make the team. I don't
know how much he'll play. We'll see. Meaning
53 or practice squad? I'm meaning 53. I think
he'll make the 53. I think he's going to make
the 53. All right. Put that on the... Let's see.
That's a stroze slash fago beer bag. I guarantee
you at some point in time, you're going to see
more of him in the season as things go. OK, so
now you're talking big. Now I'm going bigger.
Yeah, what happened throughout the season? But
I get you're just doing the starting 53. No,
no, no. So what you're going to send to me when
this, if it doesn't happen, is a six pack of
stroze from Primos, a pizza of your choice from
Primos. Please don't make it nasty. Then a you're
gonna have to send me a not a 2 -liter but a
3 -liter of fago a 3 -liter of well they make
it That's why I'm sure they do of course they
positive. They do the jugalows love that stuff.
So what? Come on what all right that was so come
on so Broderick Martin you think he makes the
53 I mean at this point just they need a nose
tackle. That's what he does except. He's been
terrible Yeah, he hasn't quite panned out, has
he? Yeah, so Pat O 'Connor might steal his spot.
Okay. All right. Let's move to defensive end.
Pascal, Hutchinson, Davenport, Abdullah are kind
of my go -to's at this point, and I'm lacking
depth thereafter. Who do you think makes it?
Well, Ahmad Hassaneen was looking pretty good,
but he got injured, and the word on him is he
could be out for a bit. Yeah. So that may not
be great. I think you're looking at Nate Lynn.
I think that's a real strong call. Campbell keeps
calling him up. I know, I think Nate Lynn's the
strong call. You're looking at Hutchinson Davenport
starting on the ends, and I think Nate Lynn is
the next guy up. And probably... Or Muhammad.
One or the other two. Al Kadin, Muhammad, or
Uku. I don't know which one, but I think your
three are Lynn, Hutchinson, Davenport, and then
I'm not sure who the next... Could both make
it? Both. Of... Uku and Muhammad? Yeah. Well,
yeah, they're gonna, I feel yes, they could.
You could take them both. It depends. Do you
go with only four on the roster? No. I think
you need five, right? You're gonna need five.
Six? You like six? Well, I don't know. You want
to go deep at edge? Problem is, is you got, you
don't know what, the question mark is like hutch.
All reports have been wonderful, but these guys
get hurt. Like, every game, we have an edge go
down. That's question mark number one. Question
mark number two is Daven partner who's never
been healthy. True. So yeah, Mel, that's actually
a very good point. I think you're going to have
five on the 53. OK. And you're going to end up
with somebody constantly rotating in from practice
squad onto the team at some point, because I
think these guys just get hurt every other game.
Which, the point of this exercise is also so
when we see the 10 -man practice squad. So let's
go. Let's go. Hold on. I'm going to linebackers.
Go ahead. Hold on. But Mike, where I was going
with this is we're painting a really good picture
on where the depth needs are going to be for
the for the 10 -man practice squad. All right.
This is a congested room and I have linebackers.
We're doing linebackers. So many questions. All
right. Are you ready for these? Fire away. Alex
Anzalone is going to make the team. I know he
had like a sit -in and all that, but it seems
like he's over it at this point because they're
not going to pay him and he, you know, doesn't
probably have much of a market. Jack Campbell
is the quarterback of the defense. Dan Campbell
said so. Derek Barnes, they're really high on.
Derek Barnes might be one of those guys that
we have in the wrong spot He might be more of
an edge than he is a true off -the -ball linebacker
So he's one of those flex guys, but I see him
making the squad Here's one that I is a question
mark. I know the team loves him, but Malcolm
Rodriguez is injured. Yeah And then you've got
Stewart, who has been like the poster boy with
hair and, you know, the fumbled return, but also
calling out the Dolphins and this and that. He
plays special teams and he seems like a Campbell
type of guy that will bite kneecaps and do whatever
to make the roster. So I have those five making
it. So I'll tell you. I'll give you a six. There's
no way they keep six linebackers. I think they
probably would. Yeah. All right. I think they'll
have to. Double my Fago Red Pop in a three liter.
I'm going Campbell, Anzaloni, and Barnes as your
three that are obvious to make the team. You're
going to have Grant Stewart is definitely making
this team. I don't see a way he doesn't. He's
been so good in the preseason. And he's a special
teams guy, which is always going to get you on
the roster. Yeah, but he screws up on special
teams all the time. He's had two penalties and
a fumble. I like how he's playing linebacker.
I can't wait to pour cheap vodka into my three
liter of Red Pop that you're sending me. Zach
Cunningham and Trevor Nowoski are probably going
to make this team. If Trevor Nowoski makes this
team, I'll be upset. Nowoski, I mean, he's going
to make it. I think he's going to make it. I
think he's going to be the sixth. The only other
guy I think of would be like Ezekiel Turner possibly
taking his spot. But Turner and Nowoski don't
play the same role. So you're probably looking
at like Cunningham or Nowoski then. And then
I think Cunningham makes it. So I don't know.
I'm going with Cunningham, Stewart, Nowoski,
Campbell, and Zaloni -Barnes. Those are my six.
I'm going five. And I don't know about Malcolm
Rodriguez. You've got a great question mark in
on him because he's hurt. How do we, how do we
find, I don't know if we find space for him or
not. Cause then you got seven. No, no, no, no.
There's no way. How hurt is Malcolm? Do you have
anything on that? Like out last year has not
played this year. It's a bad injury. So maybe
he kind of hides behind the PUP and we'll see.
Okay, all right, uh defensive back room i've
got dj reed lock amika robertson lock taran arnold
lock I've got rake straw as a lock. I know he's
hurt, but they're not going to give up on him
What he's shown has not been terrible. He just
can never be healthy Dorsey is a lock my guy
that I mentioned last week yaksen is a lock And
then I go to the safety room. I've got kirby
joseph brian branch I think Norris, and I just
want to give kudos to, real quick, because we
didn't talk about it a ton, scary injury. Nathan
Carter, former Michigan State Rutgers athlete,
and Maurice Norris had a very, very scary collision.
And I've never really thought anything of Raheem
Morris as a head coach. He was the one that apparently
initiated that to Dan Campbell, that we are done.
It is a preseason game. Take the fines. We don't
care and dan campbell said you are a good man
agreed and they called the game And then a guy
i'm hearing a lot about I have him in the safety
room, even though he's truly more a nickelback
is white side local kid My question is do they
keep four safeties or excuse me? I've got six
dbs So there's some you know, there's a lot of
shuffling here But what we're trying to do is
give you a flavor for where we see it You know,
possibly projecting just like we're missing.
I think you might be missing a guy unless I just
didn't hear his name. Yeah. How it. How do you
feel about Hallett? I didn't have him on my list,
so that's how I feel. I'm going to give you a
quote from Campbell on him. He played really
well. He played pretty darn well in this this
Dalton's game. He's a guy that can play all the
positions. So you need a corner, you need a nickel,
you need a safety, he can do them all. Mentally,
he knows them all. He's kind of our get us out
of trouble guy. That sounds like a guy that's
gonna make this roster. To me, that sounds like
a versatile guy who's gonna make the roster.
I love it, Chet, because I think Whiteside is
such a long shot to make it. Do you really? A
lot of people think he's gonna make it too. They
think Callit and Whiteside are gonna be a final
two. Well, then Norris is out. Yeah, I don't
think Norris... Norris, I don't think will you've
got Khalil Dorsey. Don't forget about Dorsey.
He's on the I have Dorsey injured He's in the
he's injured right now. Yeah, but he's gonna
he's on the roster. Yeah, I mean so yeah, I Again,
we're not quite to the 53 yet, but to your point
I think you brought up two excellent positions
on that here. It gets really easy for special
teams Shake Fox is our punter. Jake Bates is
our kicker Hatton is our long snapper So what
happens next is the Lions have a Thursday scrimmage
against the Houston Texans who are visiting Ford
Field. To your point, Chet, it was absolutely
raucous. I've never seen a preseason game as
eclectic as that and I expect the same for this
week four. Most teams it's week three, but week
four because the Lions had that Hall of Fame
game against the Chargers. This week at 1 p .m.
Eastern Time, 12 p .m. Central Time, this Saturday
against the Texans. I would love to say this
is a great step up in competition because the
Texans typically win their division because it's
the worst division in football. The problem is
no starters will play in this game. So we won't
get to see Nico Collins. We won't get to see
C .J. Stroud. Joe Mixon's really, really hurt.
They have some running back questions, so maybe
a trade might happen between these two teams
because the Lions... I almost find the inner
squad workouts to be more interesting than the
darn games because the starters actually play.
They're way more interesting. And one of the
things I do expect is a potential trade. I think
Vahki might be a Texan at the end of this. Really?
Lions have... The number one, according to ESPN,
pro football focus in a bunch of other sites,
running back room in the NFL. They have depth
in the, unfortunately the Texans don't, so who
knows? I'm looking forward to the practices this
week, or excuse me, practice like you are. I
think D 'Amico Ryan's, their head coach, is cut
from the same cloth as Dan Campbell. I think
it'll be physical and then I expect to see nothing
on the field. Saturday, except for a, again,
really, really buzzed, raucous, raucous crowd
at Ford Field. Any thoughts? No, I, you know,
the preseason is going as the preseason goes.
That's wonderful. It's fine. We're hearing about
all these guys that are going to play second
and third string positions. I just keep chomping
at the bit to see the starters and see where
they're at and see how some of them have developed,
which is why I got very excited. about the Inner
Squad practices with Miami and getting to actually
see some of the film and highlights from those,
our receivers look incredible right now. And
I think we are going to have a very good passing
game this season. I have a... You gave me a couple
big thoughts and I haven't really given you any,
like, thing that you can come back to me on,
meaning our silly little beer bets that never
really seem to prophesize because they usually
cancel each other out. Yeah. Mine is, I think
the offense is going to be better this year under
John Morton than it was last year under Ben Johnson.
You know what, what would be the perfect situation
is if we set some sort of offensive records this
season. Sons, Ben Johnson, and the Bears remained
the trash that they've been for the last half
decade. Do you think there's any possibility
we could have that? I'll be very curious to see
how Ben does as a as a head coach with that bears.
I think he's a really good offensive coordinator.
I think two things. One, people underestimate
how much influence Dan Campbell has on the offense.
Dan's an offensive guy. That was his upbringing.
He was a tight end. He was a tight end, then
he was a tight end coach, then he was an O -line
coach, then he was an O -coordinator. Dan? Runs
the offense as Dan sees fit and Dan hired someone
that I don't say under his thumb, but the other
part of that is Ben Johnson doesn't seem like
a leader of men or a culture guy Is Ben Johnson
gonna be the next Josh McDaniels? No, he's gonna
be the next Bears ex -head coach, which is would
you take him back? After all this is a lion's
- No, not if John - I just said John Morton's
gonna be - If John Morton could - and Zen does
- ah okay, alright. Yeah, I get it. I mean, John
Morton might get hired away. Okay, so say my
prediction doesn't come true, then yeah, we have
an opening, sure. But yeah, no, I feel bad. Like,
Aaron Glenn's the next - Ex -Jets coach in Benedict
Johnson is the next ex -bears coach. All these
guys expect them to recreate what they've done.
Nah, it's not gonna happen, man. It's very difficult
to do. The chemistry's different. At any rate,
I'll be... I give Aaron... How about this? We
will do one more gentleman's bet. I give Aaron
Glenn a better punters chance to last longer
in New York than I do Benedict. That's interesting.
That's fascinating. Okay. Okay. Would you take
that? No, because I actually think he is gonna
last longer as the Jets. I think Aaron Glenn
is just a more, yeah. I think he has the fire
to be the head coach, the intelligence to be
the head coach. I don't know. I think he's the
leader of men. I'll be curious to see what happens
here with Ben. It's gonna be a toss -up for me.
Well, the thing is Ben has the quarterback, whether
he can make it work or not. Yeah. Starting Justin
right Justin fields with nobody behind him cuz
didn't who's oh Tyron Taylor or something like
that was the Jets back up and he just got hurt
or Tyrod Taylor So Aaron's got a kind of built
-in excuse. Yeah, and the other difference is
that that division Let's just say Josh Allen
gets hurt. Yeah that divisions very well open
very open where the NFC North I mean One team
falls, you know. Right outside of the Bills,
there isn't, who else is a quarterback of note
in that division? I think Drake May is going
to have a good year this year. You think so?
You really think so? Okay. Well, I think variable
is that good of a coach. Okay. All right. Finally
cleared out the Belichick mess and actually have
a little bit of talent. We'll see. Okay. All
right. The Belichick mess. Like, I never thought
we would call it that. It didn't seem like a
mess, right? Well, Brady was the... Hold on.
That's a... How about next pod we lead right
back into this it'll be like one of those shows
that ends and then we start right again in the
next pod Tom Brady was the genius Belichick wasn't
Billy P out All right, folks. We leave you with
that. The next pod is gonna be a Patriots podcast
You're at Detroit Lions. You're at litter box
Detroit Lions. Excellent. Well, Tom Brady did
play at Michigan, so at least we're tying it
into the state. But it's been wonderful. Enjoy
the final preseason game and the two week lead
up to the start of the regular season. We're
going to get our 53 man here before you know
it. And football will be back as football fans.
We are are in bloom pretty soon. So enjoy your
final preseason, guys. Go Lions.