WEBVTT 00:00:06.730 --> 00:00:11.890 This is The Litterbox, a Detroit Lions podcast, 00:00:12.269 --> 00:00:15.650 with your hosts, Chet West and Bill Patterson. 00:00:20.350 --> 00:00:23.969 Lions Litterbox listeners, welcome to The Litterbox, 00:00:24.269 --> 00:00:27.629 Lions edition, third episode. And we've got news 00:00:27.629 --> 00:00:31.239 for you. I'm here with my co -host Chet West 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:33.880 and we're gonna talk about preseason game number 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:38.600 three against the Miami Dolphins and It was a 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:42.280 loss for the Lions 24 -17, but that's not really 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:45.020 the important story of this and Chet I'm gonna 00:00:45.020 --> 00:00:49.320 let you comment in just one minute the important 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:52.060 aspect of this is that Tuesday and Wednesday 00:00:52.060 --> 00:00:56.100 the two teams the Dolphins Lions had joint practices 00:00:56.949 --> 00:01:00.210 Colton Pouncey from The Athletic who is someone 00:01:00.210 --> 00:01:02.369 I respect immensely. He used to cover Michigan 00:01:02.369 --> 00:01:05.849 State and their beat and then has graduated and 00:01:05.849 --> 00:01:09.629 moved to the Lions beat and he said Tuesday on 00:01:09.629 --> 00:01:12.150 Twitter or X whatever you want to call it that 00:01:12.150 --> 00:01:14.849 it was like the varsity scrimmaging against an 00:01:14.849 --> 00:01:18.030 eighth grade or freshman team. That the Lions 00:01:18.030 --> 00:01:20.930 dominated both lines of scrimmages to the point 00:01:20.930 --> 00:01:24.090 that the Dolphins were quote -unquote embarrassed. 00:01:24.290 --> 00:01:27.969 That is, I think, the major story outside of 00:01:27.969 --> 00:01:30.209 these quick storylines and then I'm firing it 00:01:30.209 --> 00:01:32.950 over to you. One, Hendon Hooker fell even further 00:01:32.950 --> 00:01:36.069 behind. Kyle Allen looked real good. The Lions 00:01:36.069 --> 00:01:40.510 have two receivers battling for the final roster 00:01:40.510 --> 00:01:43.810 spots in that receiver slash tight end room. 00:01:43.890 --> 00:01:46.450 And that's going to be something very interesting 00:01:46.450 --> 00:01:49.829 going forward. And then Broderick Martin, who 00:01:49.829 --> 00:01:53.269 everybody really hoped would show up, is Missing 00:01:53.269 --> 00:01:56.829 an action meaning he played had two awful penalties 00:01:56.829 --> 00:02:00.269 and was non -existent For a Lions team that was 00:02:00.269 --> 00:02:03.030 really stout against the run against the Dolphins 00:02:03.030 --> 00:02:06.049 So I have a host of thoughts But I really want 00:02:06.049 --> 00:02:08.110 to turn it over to my co -host and let him give 00:02:08.110 --> 00:02:10.550 us some his His thoughts and I'll come back to 00:02:10.550 --> 00:02:12.530 me a couple of things. I found that were pretty 00:02:12.530 --> 00:02:16.229 impressive one is the preseason game Ford Field 00:02:16.229 --> 00:02:19.810 looked and sounded like a freaking playoff hemisphere. 00:02:19.889 --> 00:02:23.680 I mean the people in this city are ready to go 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:26.439 for football. There's a lot of pride showing 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:29.280 up in this day and age behind your Lions. The 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:32.020 days of the brown bags on the faces and whatnot, 00:02:32.060 --> 00:02:35.400 those are over. I mean, people are really, really 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:38.099 into this squad. One thing they're not into, 00:02:38.379 --> 00:02:40.539 Hendon Hooker, he once again turned the ball 00:02:40.539 --> 00:02:44.259 over, had a bad game. Here's my take on backup 00:02:44.259 --> 00:02:47.479 quarterbacks. As you go down the chart, your 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:49.599 second string guy has got to be able to run the 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:52.810 offense and score. Protect the football. Your 00:02:52.810 --> 00:02:55.789 third string guy doesn't even have to be able 00:02:55.789 --> 00:02:58.509 to score. He's just got to protect the football. 00:02:58.789 --> 00:03:03.150 Just protect the football. Don't turn over the 00:03:03.150 --> 00:03:06.590 dang ball. What does Hendon Hooker do? Turns 00:03:06.590 --> 00:03:10.250 over the football. He also doesn't score, doesn't 00:03:10.250 --> 00:03:13.990 move the offense. I don't even see a spot in 00:03:13.990 --> 00:03:16.550 this organization for him on like a practice 00:03:16.550 --> 00:03:19.409 squad right now. I don't see a spot for him. 00:03:19.449 --> 00:03:23.719 I think Fundamentally, now I'm sure he's stuck 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:25.479 around for as long as he has. I'm sure he's a 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:28.979 locker room guy. Fundamentally, he just doesn't 00:03:28.979 --> 00:03:32.360 seem to match Dan Campbell football on the football 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:35.800 field. It's not Dan Campbell football. It's professional 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:37.919 football or confidence football. Just the overall. 00:03:38.699 --> 00:03:40.560 He's not going to end up anywhere in your eyes. 00:03:40.639 --> 00:03:44.400 He's looking to run the second the pocket breaks 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:48.110 down. He can't look beyond his first read. He 00:03:48.110 --> 00:03:50.310 follows that receipt. Boy, does he telegraph 00:03:50.310 --> 00:03:52.270 a pass better than anybody. My goodness. Man, 00:03:52.289 --> 00:03:54.110 he cannot get to the second. Doesn't look off 00:03:54.110 --> 00:03:57.069 a guy to save his life. Third read is not in 00:03:57.069 --> 00:03:59.310 his playbook. I don't even think a second read 00:03:59.310 --> 00:04:00.750 is there to be honest. No, no, I don't think 00:04:00.750 --> 00:04:05.389 so either. And I listen to a lot of other podcasts. 00:04:05.430 --> 00:04:08.229 I read a lot of other media. And everything I'm 00:04:08.229 --> 00:04:10.849 gathering is that the team and his teammates 00:04:10.849 --> 00:04:13.610 are starting to get frustrated with it. For the 00:04:13.610 --> 00:04:17.189 fact that They set it up on a platter for him 00:04:17.189 --> 00:04:19.829 to be able to run the two -minute offense the 00:04:19.829 --> 00:04:22.730 last two weeks, and he screwed it up. I mean, 00:04:22.730 --> 00:04:25.290 in regard to who's in the lead for that number 00:04:25.290 --> 00:04:26.649 two role, and I don't think there's a question 00:04:26.649 --> 00:04:28.449 to anybody. We don't have to beat this to death. 00:04:28.529 --> 00:04:31.509 No. But Dan Campbell's quote, I would trust Kyle 00:04:31.509 --> 00:04:33.589 more because he's proven more after these two 00:04:33.589 --> 00:04:35.949 games. There you go. Al looked great against 00:04:35.949 --> 00:04:37.709 the Dolphins. I mean, Al has looked good in two 00:04:37.709 --> 00:04:40.529 games now. Yeah. He led one six -minute drive 00:04:40.529 --> 00:04:45.069 that resulted in a touchdown to Meeks. And it 00:04:45.069 --> 00:04:47.430 was really, really, really productive and good. 00:04:47.790 --> 00:04:50.990 And then, what every second string, third string, 00:04:51.089 --> 00:04:53.769 fourth string quarterback wants, is two minute 00:04:53.769 --> 00:04:56.810 drill before the half. It's your time to shine, 00:04:57.129 --> 00:05:00.709 and he executed that, and then our guy Cole slaw, 00:05:00.930 --> 00:05:05.149 or T slaw, or have you heard the new one? Optimus 00:05:05.149 --> 00:05:10.649 Prime. Optimus Prime. Do you get why? Yeah. Megatron, 00:05:11.250 --> 00:05:18.399 Optimus Prime. teen 81 81 the numbers I Didn't 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:20.660 even think of that. Yeah, I didn't even think 00:05:20.660 --> 00:05:22.339 of that. I haven't even looked at this number 00:05:22.339 --> 00:05:25.180 yet Okay, and then the other nickname I heard 00:05:25.180 --> 00:05:29.300 was mayo slaw Mayo slaw is good to anything with 00:05:29.300 --> 00:05:31.980 a slaw will probably we know we like our food. 00:05:31.980 --> 00:05:35.870 I I think he's gonna be, I mean, he's gonna take 00:05:35.870 --> 00:05:38.970 that Tim Patrick role right away from Tim Patrick, 00:05:39.170 --> 00:05:40.990 I think. And I like Tim Patrick, don't get me 00:05:40.990 --> 00:05:43.050 wrong, I just think that Slaw is gonna be out 00:05:43.050 --> 00:05:45.689 there as a, like, it would be really difficult 00:05:45.689 --> 00:05:48.569 to call him a number three receiver right now, 00:05:48.569 --> 00:05:50.769 but I think he's gonna be a number three receiver 00:05:50.769 --> 00:05:54.779 for the Lions pretty soon. We already teased 00:05:54.779 --> 00:05:57.759 it. Yeah, I there's no way Jameson reassigns 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:00.180 with this team regardless of how you know anyway 00:06:00.180 --> 00:06:03.560 So well the only way I would say is if they franchise 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:06.519 him He is going to have an unbelievable season. 00:06:06.699 --> 00:06:09.480 Okay. Well, then they franchise us if you saw 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:12.000 these I don't know if you watched any of the 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:14.279 video from the combined practices with Miami 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:18.300 He and I'm on I did who boy. They look good. 00:06:18.300 --> 00:06:21.459 I mean it's practice. Okay, it's practice talking 00:06:21.459 --> 00:06:25.339 about practice, but They looked awesome and so 00:06:25.339 --> 00:06:28.920 did T -Slaw they he looked great So I don't I 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:32.160 mean, I think you got three guys right there 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:34.720 I'm excited to watch this guy play with the with 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:37.019 the first string and against first string so 00:06:37.019 --> 00:06:39.240 we can see if he's really all that I don't think 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:41.279 there's a chance. He's a Tom Kennedy We'll put 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:44.899 it that way whose stock is falling finally and 00:06:44.899 --> 00:06:47.000 probably won't even make a practice squad this 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:50.579 year, but But he's definitely at the top of my 00:06:50.579 --> 00:06:52.720 list, the guys I'm excited to see play this season 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:55.500 as far as new flavors go. I'm excited to see 00:06:55.500 --> 00:06:57.720 any of our starters. You know, I don't typically 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:00.019 like preseason. I've said it because we just 00:07:00.019 --> 00:07:03.120 don't see the guys we're going to see. But another 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:06.079 one of your guys, Bill, had a pretty good game 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:08.860 himself, not only as running back, but on special 00:07:08.860 --> 00:07:12.720 teams. Sionevaki. I gave everybody the heads 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:14.759 up on that. You gave everybody the heads up on 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:16.560 Sionevaki? No, that his hamstring's healthy, 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:20.439 or healthy -ish. He had a great game. He could 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:23.800 take Craig Reynolds' spot. As much as everybody 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:26.759 loves Craig, Sionevaki's gonna make the team 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:29.720 regardless, because he's got high upside for 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:33.660 special teams. Yeah. So on that note, if you 00:07:33.660 --> 00:07:36.660 could... turn it over to me. I did my, you take 00:07:36.660 --> 00:07:39.660 it, go on. I did my projected 53 man is what 00:07:39.660 --> 00:07:42.839 we know now. This is so subject to change and 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:45.399 I'm going to do it slow so you can like say yay 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:48.339 or nay. Are you going to go through all 53? Yeah. 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:50.199 I mean, what else are we going to do for the 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:54.459 next 22 minutes? Buckle up folks. Obviously St. 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:56.639 Brown and Williams are your two starting receivers. 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:00.019 I don't see Khalif Raymond not making the team, 00:08:00.019 --> 00:08:02.470 but I've heard that he is in danger of being 00:08:02.470 --> 00:08:05.209 cut if he cannot return punts and kicks. And 00:08:05.209 --> 00:08:08.310 look how he's become an afterthought. Very interesting. 00:08:08.329 --> 00:08:10.990 He got hurt last year. Yeah, I know. I get it. 00:08:11.209 --> 00:08:13.050 But that's why the league's called not for long. 00:08:13.269 --> 00:08:17.290 Our boy Coleslaw is on. Our boy Patrick is on. 00:08:17.569 --> 00:08:19.829 Meeks is a question mark, but I have him on right 00:08:19.829 --> 00:08:23.430 now, which gives you a whopping six receivers, 00:08:23.529 --> 00:08:27.449 which means that Meeks and Coleslaw are going 00:08:27.449 --> 00:08:30.579 to have to pay. place serious minutes on special 00:08:30.579 --> 00:08:34.000 teams. That means I love it. I do not have. I 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:36.000 love it. You don't have him. Don't have him making 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:39.379 the team. Okay. Give me a case for it. Well, 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:42.700 I think he's just a step behind slaw right now 00:08:42.700 --> 00:08:44.639 and just a draft pick. So you're going to have 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:46.840 to find a little spot for him somewhere. I think 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:48.860 you could be a practice squad player. Could they'll 00:08:48.860 --> 00:08:50.659 keep a receiver on the practice squad. You're 00:08:50.659 --> 00:08:54.139 allowed to be. Could be. Could be. Okay. This 00:08:54.139 --> 00:08:56.940 is an area that I do have a blank spot. So this 00:08:56.940 --> 00:09:00.070 is going to be the third spot on the roster. 00:09:00.389 --> 00:09:02.470 For tight end, I only have Laporta and Brock 00:09:02.470 --> 00:09:05.509 Wright. I do not have a third tight end. Zylstra 00:09:05.509 --> 00:09:08.090 played terribly, has had a gazillion penalties, 00:09:08.730 --> 00:09:12.620 no pun intended, and has also hurt now. I imagine 00:09:12.620 --> 00:09:14.720 that tight end might be something they pick up 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:17.720 after final roster cuts happened for the third 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:20.019 tight end. Interesting. If you have other intel 00:09:20.019 --> 00:09:22.480 or not. I actually read that they're going to 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:25.679 probably pull somebody at roster cuts. But I 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:28.240 don't know that Zylstra is completely out of 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:31.240 the picture. I think if he were healthy, he'd 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:33.799 have a shot. Yeah, probably. But I get where 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:36.539 you're going. He didn't have the greatest. No, 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:38.580 he said the greatest game this past week and 00:09:38.580 --> 00:09:41.039 he's had a pretty bad preseason. So it was all 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:43.179 there for him with all the opportunities had. 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:47.200 Yeah. All right. Running backs, Gibbs, Montgomery. 00:09:47.340 --> 00:09:50.059 I think Craig makes the team and I also know 00:09:50.059 --> 00:09:52.080 Vocky will. So I think they keep four running 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:56.080 backs. You think sailors is destined for the. 00:09:56.640 --> 00:09:59.840 Practice squad practice squad. Okay. Yeah, that's 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:02.000 just my opinion. Okay. Here's where it gets a 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:04.460 little controversial I only have golf and alien 00:10:04.460 --> 00:10:07.419 making the team right now I am not certain that 00:10:07.419 --> 00:10:09.840 the second string quarterback is on this roster 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:12.899 But right now I've seen enough you've seen enough. 00:10:12.899 --> 00:10:15.799 We've all seen enough of hand and hooker Unless 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:19.460 he comes out and lights it up. He is practice 00:10:19.460 --> 00:10:24.019 squad at best And that would be, I think, a huge 00:10:24.019 --> 00:10:27.759 detriment to Brad Holmes. You have to know when 00:10:27.759 --> 00:10:30.899 to fold when your draft picks don't work. Campbell's 00:10:30.899 --> 00:10:33.639 quote on Hooker sounded like, well, we don't 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:35.360 have many other choices at the moment. He was 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:37.259 like, we're still going to coach Hooker up. We're 00:10:37.259 --> 00:10:39.139 still going to see what's there and see if we 00:10:39.139 --> 00:10:42.100 can get him better. I mean, we still got a little 00:10:42.100 --> 00:10:45.120 bit here. He's like, what else am I going to 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:48.720 do? Until they get somebody, this is it. It's 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:51.830 very AJ Hinch with a leadoff hitter. A little 00:10:51.830 --> 00:10:53.850 pink. He just doesn't have one. He just doesn't 00:10:53.850 --> 00:10:55.710 have one. So he's got to do with what he's got. 00:10:56.309 --> 00:10:58.690 Yeah. Starting O -line, Decker at left tackle, 00:10:59.110 --> 00:11:02.809 obviously Sewell at right tackle. Ratlich has 00:11:02.809 --> 00:11:08.049 looked exceptional next to Sewell. Here is something 00:11:08.049 --> 00:11:11.149 that I've gleaned from national media. Jonah 00:11:11.149 --> 00:11:14.169 Jackson, who is really, really exceptional in 00:11:14.169 --> 00:11:19.590 one year playing next to Penne Sewell. Basically 00:11:19.590 --> 00:11:23.269 made a Pro Bowl and then is an alternate I think 00:11:23.269 --> 00:11:25.809 and then signed a huge deal with the Rams and 00:11:25.809 --> 00:11:30.350 was cut Thereafter not not not benched. He was 00:11:30.350 --> 00:11:35.250 outright cut. I think Sewell is like John Hanna 00:11:35.250 --> 00:11:38.590 Like who are the other great tackles in the league? 00:11:38.970 --> 00:11:41.330 Who is that monster from Ohio State that like 00:11:41.330 --> 00:11:43.809 just dominated for years? It'll come to me in 00:11:43.809 --> 00:11:46.929 a minute. He is He is, because John Hannah was 00:11:46.929 --> 00:11:49.970 a guard. I'm sorry about that. Thinking of like 00:11:49.970 --> 00:11:53.509 Orlando Pace. Bingo. He is, I think he could 00:11:53.509 --> 00:11:57.509 be that good in his lifetime. Okay. And so you've 00:11:57.509 --> 00:12:00.549 got that. Mahogany's settling in. I think he's 00:12:00.549 --> 00:12:02.710 the weakest link on this offensive line at left 00:12:02.710 --> 00:12:05.909 guard. And then you've got Glasgow and apparently 00:12:05.909 --> 00:12:10.899 I read Subtext that basically said that the lions 00:12:10.899 --> 00:12:13.639 knew that right now was probably hanging it up 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:16.600 and that he and Glasgow had talked about this 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:20.620 transition and that was. Also why Kevin Zeitler 00:12:20.620 --> 00:12:23.320 was kind of exit stage right because the Lions 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:25.759 knew they wanted to go younger They would have 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:28.220 paid Zeitler, but not what the Titans were willing 00:12:28.220 --> 00:12:32.679 to pay him Backups, I've got skipper menu. I 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:35.240 still have Corby Soarsdale on here only because 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:37.639 he's Lions draft pick I know he's hurt and then 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:41.279 I've got Frazier who's also hurt so Know that 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:44.259 there's two open spots there that will still 00:12:44.259 --> 00:12:47.340 develop because injured list will conflict with 00:12:47.340 --> 00:12:50.360 that If you want to provide a couple names I'm 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:54.580 happy to but I haven't seen a report that says 00:12:54.580 --> 00:12:57.620 These guys are for sure gonna make it outside 00:12:57.620 --> 00:13:00.500 of I have one name that apparently is for sure 00:13:00.500 --> 00:13:04.519 gonna be cut so I Look at I mean we're gonna 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:07.759 our five or Decker mahogany Glasgow Sewell and 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:09.419 Ratledge Those are the guys they're gonna get 00:13:09.419 --> 00:13:12.500 the starting nod right done and then Dan Dan 00:13:12.500 --> 00:13:16.639 skipper when you know skipper eligible Eligible 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:19.940 is a receiver. Right? So I think you're looking, 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:24.159 I don't think Manu has evolved like they thought 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:27.980 he may. So I don't even know if he makes, he 00:13:27.980 --> 00:13:30.600 gets a backup role at this point. There was a 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:36.159 guy, Iguacun, Kingsley Iguacun. He had a decent 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:40.360 showing in this game, but he's not. I don't know 00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:42.899 that he makes the team. He was terrible against 00:13:42.899 --> 00:13:44.779 the Falcons. He was the lowest. He was bad against 00:13:44.779 --> 00:13:46.960 the Falcons. Outside of Hendon Hooker, he was 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:49.080 the second lowest PFF grade against the Falcons. 00:13:49.100 --> 00:13:51.360 But he did improve for the Dolphins. But who 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:53.399 knows if that's against the Dolphins? Who knows 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:55.399 why these things happening in the preseason? 00:13:55.960 --> 00:14:00.899 But I don't think I see anybody beyond our starting 00:14:00.899 --> 00:14:04.340 five, other than skipper tackle eligible, that 00:14:04.340 --> 00:14:08.240 really jumps in. and takes a spot. I mean, and 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:12.980 you've got Colon and Frazier injured. So we may 00:14:12.980 --> 00:14:16.220 have some offensive line depth issues this year. 00:14:16.460 --> 00:14:20.159 Like who comes in on a rotation even? You're 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:22.720 going to put Manu in there on a rotation? He's 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:26.039 the best that they probably have. Skipper and 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:28.519 Manu are going to rotate in like when guys need 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:30.159 a blow for a down. Yeah, Skipper's been playing 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:32.710 with the... third team at this point. I know. 00:14:33.289 --> 00:14:35.750 So yeah, no, depth is definitely, but I mean, 00:14:35.929 --> 00:14:37.490 depth's an issue for everybody. Mason Miller 00:14:37.490 --> 00:14:39.850 is a rookie, maybe him, but I don't see. Yeah, 00:14:39.850 --> 00:14:43.070 I don't know. I don't know. So like I said, I 00:14:43.070 --> 00:14:46.809 have a tight end question. Obviously, we overloaded 00:14:46.809 --> 00:14:49.490 at receiver. We had six, we had four running 00:14:49.490 --> 00:14:52.889 backs, and there's two open positions for offensive 00:14:52.889 --> 00:14:55.009 linemen. And that was with the Lions keeping 00:14:55.009 --> 00:14:57.870 two quarterbacks, not three. So I'm just letting 00:14:57.870 --> 00:14:59.370 everybody. So let's hope the offensive line stays 00:14:59.370 --> 00:15:02.769 healthy. Which never happens, but I'm just giving 00:15:02.769 --> 00:15:05.950 up just everybody just a quick snapshot So now 00:15:05.950 --> 00:15:08.269 let's go to the other side of the ball. Mm -hmm. 00:15:08.470 --> 00:15:12.730 Okay, DJ reader will be a starter in defensive 00:15:12.730 --> 00:15:15.669 tackle Okay, a Lee McNeil will when he gets back 00:15:15.669 --> 00:15:17.990 off the injured list Roderick Martin might be 00:15:17.990 --> 00:15:21.429 the biggest disappointment outside of Hendon 00:15:21.429 --> 00:15:23.889 Hooker, but I still have him making the roster 00:15:23.889 --> 00:15:28.340 for the fact that He at least is healthy, which 00:15:28.340 --> 00:15:31.200 I know is not good. Then I'm going Williams the 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:33.860 rookie. He and Reader will be your starters at 00:15:33.860 --> 00:15:35.559 Defensive Tackle. I think that's going to be 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:37.379 it. I was just about to say I think Tylek is 00:15:37.379 --> 00:15:39.720 going to be next to Reader as the starting DTs 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:41.419 to begin the season. Yeah, yeah, definitely, 00:15:41.539 --> 00:15:43.279 definitely. I think you're right on that. And 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:47.259 then Wingo is injured. I think he's part of their 00:15:47.259 --> 00:15:52.259 long -term future, Mackay. Lopez, who they signed 00:15:52.259 --> 00:15:55.470 as a free agent from the Cardinals. is also injured, 00:15:55.490 --> 00:15:58.029 but not seriously injured. So I think that's 00:15:58.029 --> 00:16:00.309 kind of your defensive tackle room. The one that 00:16:00.309 --> 00:16:02.769 I would say is a question mark is Martin, and 00:16:02.769 --> 00:16:05.129 maybe something else happens there. So until 00:16:05.129 --> 00:16:07.309 McNeil and Wingo come back, I think you're going 00:16:07.309 --> 00:16:09.929 to see Reeder, Lopez, and Tiley kind of rotating 00:16:09.929 --> 00:16:12.090 in the middle there. I don't know if you're going 00:16:12.090 --> 00:16:14.710 to see a Pat O 'Connor. Remember Mr. O 'Connor? 00:16:15.350 --> 00:16:17.549 He kind of came in and played a little last season 00:16:17.549 --> 00:16:21.659 here and there. I think he makes the team and 00:16:21.659 --> 00:16:24.679 he is one of the ones I had on my kind of like, 00:16:25.259 --> 00:16:29.159 I left five or six open spots. I think that's 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:31.779 a really good shout out on your part for Pat 00:16:31.779 --> 00:16:35.179 O 'Connor. A, because he played serviceable, 00:16:35.340 --> 00:16:38.700 if not above, I would put him, if we used a baseball 00:16:38.700 --> 00:16:41.279 term, he was above replacement player, meaning 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:44.139 he didn't cost you games. He held the line of 00:16:44.139 --> 00:16:46.740 scrimmage and so he is one that I can see making 00:16:46.740 --> 00:16:50.289 this team. Anybody else? Keith Cooper is a rookie. 00:16:51.009 --> 00:16:53.490 Might get a little look there. I've heard good 00:16:53.490 --> 00:16:56.009 things. I think he'll make the team. I don't 00:16:56.009 --> 00:16:58.730 know how much he'll play. We'll see. Meaning 00:16:58.730 --> 00:17:02.389 53 or practice squad? I'm meaning 53. I think 00:17:02.389 --> 00:17:04.849 he'll make the 53. I think he's going to make 00:17:04.849 --> 00:17:07.490 the 53. All right. Put that on the... Let's see. 00:17:09.329 --> 00:17:12.349 That's a stroze slash fago beer bag. I guarantee 00:17:12.349 --> 00:17:14.269 you at some point in time, you're going to see 00:17:14.269 --> 00:17:17.170 more of him in the season as things go. OK, so 00:17:17.170 --> 00:17:19.890 now you're talking big. Now I'm going bigger. 00:17:20.269 --> 00:17:21.970 Yeah, what happened throughout the season? But 00:17:21.970 --> 00:17:23.890 I get you're just doing the starting 53. No, 00:17:24.049 --> 00:17:25.950 no, no. So what you're going to send to me when 00:17:25.950 --> 00:17:28.990 this, if it doesn't happen, is a six pack of 00:17:28.990 --> 00:17:31.990 stroze from Primos, a pizza of your choice from 00:17:31.990 --> 00:17:36.940 Primos. Please don't make it nasty. Then a you're 00:17:36.940 --> 00:17:39.440 gonna have to send me a not a 2 -liter but a 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:42.960 3 -liter of fago a 3 -liter of well they make 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:45.759 it That's why I'm sure they do of course they 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:48.619 positive. They do the jugalows love that stuff. 00:17:48.900 --> 00:17:53.940 So what? Come on what all right that was so come 00:17:53.940 --> 00:17:57.099 on so Broderick Martin you think he makes the 00:17:57.099 --> 00:18:00.099 53 I mean at this point just they need a nose 00:18:00.099 --> 00:18:03.559 tackle. That's what he does except. He's been 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:06.490 terrible Yeah, he hasn't quite panned out, has 00:18:06.490 --> 00:18:09.329 he? Yeah, so Pat O 'Connor might steal his spot. 00:18:09.769 --> 00:18:12.690 Okay. All right. Let's move to defensive end. 00:18:13.309 --> 00:18:17.430 Pascal, Hutchinson, Davenport, Abdullah are kind 00:18:17.430 --> 00:18:21.710 of my go -to's at this point, and I'm lacking 00:18:21.710 --> 00:18:24.769 depth thereafter. Who do you think makes it? 00:18:25.089 --> 00:18:27.309 Well, Ahmad Hassaneen was looking pretty good, 00:18:27.349 --> 00:18:29.970 but he got injured, and the word on him is he 00:18:29.970 --> 00:18:33.589 could be out for a bit. Yeah. So that may not 00:18:33.589 --> 00:18:36.309 be great. I think you're looking at Nate Lynn. 00:18:36.670 --> 00:18:37.910 I think that's a real strong call. Campbell keeps 00:18:37.910 --> 00:18:40.069 calling him up. I know, I think Nate Lynn's the 00:18:40.069 --> 00:18:41.690 strong call. You're looking at Hutchinson Davenport 00:18:41.690 --> 00:18:43.990 starting on the ends, and I think Nate Lynn is 00:18:43.990 --> 00:18:48.630 the next guy up. And probably... Or Muhammad. 00:18:48.789 --> 00:18:51.250 One or the other two. Al Kadin, Muhammad, or 00:18:51.250 --> 00:18:55.349 Uku. I don't know which one, but I think your 00:18:55.349 --> 00:18:57.490 three are Lynn, Hutchinson, Davenport, and then 00:18:57.490 --> 00:18:59.369 I'm not sure who the next... Could both make 00:18:59.369 --> 00:19:03.289 it? Both. Of... Uku and Muhammad? Yeah. Well, 00:19:03.369 --> 00:19:06.390 yeah, they're gonna, I feel yes, they could. 00:19:07.069 --> 00:19:09.730 You could take them both. It depends. Do you 00:19:09.730 --> 00:19:13.089 go with only four on the roster? No. I think 00:19:13.089 --> 00:19:16.190 you need five, right? You're gonna need five. 00:19:16.690 --> 00:19:19.509 Six? You like six? Well, I don't know. You want 00:19:19.509 --> 00:19:21.849 to go deep at edge? Problem is, is you got, you 00:19:21.849 --> 00:19:23.930 don't know what, the question mark is like hutch. 00:19:24.490 --> 00:19:28.470 All reports have been wonderful, but these guys 00:19:28.470 --> 00:19:31.640 get hurt. Like, every game, we have an edge go 00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:32.839 down. That's question mark number one. Question 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:34.559 mark number two is Daven partner who's never 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:37.640 been healthy. True. So yeah, Mel, that's actually 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:40.940 a very good point. I think you're going to have 00:19:40.940 --> 00:19:45.400 five on the 53. OK. And you're going to end up 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:48.980 with somebody constantly rotating in from practice 00:19:48.980 --> 00:19:51.839 squad onto the team at some point, because I 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:53.720 think these guys just get hurt every other game. 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:56.799 Which, the point of this exercise is also so 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:58.279 when we see the 10 -man practice squad. So let's 00:19:58.279 --> 00:20:00.440 go. Let's go. Hold on. I'm going to linebackers. 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.039 Go ahead. Hold on. But Mike, where I was going 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:05.440 with this is we're painting a really good picture 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:08.180 on where the depth needs are going to be for 00:20:08.180 --> 00:20:11.539 the for the 10 -man practice squad. All right. 00:20:11.539 --> 00:20:14.940 This is a congested room and I have linebackers. 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:18.119 We're doing linebackers. So many questions. All 00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:20.640 right. Are you ready for these? Fire away. Alex 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:24.019 Anzalone is going to make the team. I know he 00:20:24.019 --> 00:20:26.759 had like a sit -in and all that, but it seems 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:28.319 like he's over it at this point because they're 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:30.500 not going to pay him and he, you know, doesn't 00:20:30.500 --> 00:20:32.660 probably have much of a market. Jack Campbell 00:20:32.660 --> 00:20:34.880 is the quarterback of the defense. Dan Campbell 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:38.160 said so. Derek Barnes, they're really high on. 00:20:38.349 --> 00:20:41.490 Derek Barnes might be one of those guys that 00:20:41.490 --> 00:20:43.809 we have in the wrong spot He might be more of 00:20:43.809 --> 00:20:47.869 an edge than he is a true off -the -ball linebacker 00:20:47.869 --> 00:20:50.650 So he's one of those flex guys, but I see him 00:20:50.650 --> 00:20:54.529 making the squad Here's one that I is a question 00:20:54.529 --> 00:20:57.069 mark. I know the team loves him, but Malcolm 00:20:57.069 --> 00:21:00.680 Rodriguez is injured. Yeah And then you've got 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:04.779 Stewart, who has been like the poster boy with 00:21:04.779 --> 00:21:08.299 hair and, you know, the fumbled return, but also 00:21:08.299 --> 00:21:10.799 calling out the Dolphins and this and that. He 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:13.559 plays special teams and he seems like a Campbell 00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:16.299 type of guy that will bite kneecaps and do whatever 00:21:16.299 --> 00:21:20.680 to make the roster. So I have those five making 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:25.299 it. So I'll tell you. I'll give you a six. There's 00:21:25.299 --> 00:21:27.980 no way they keep six linebackers. I think they 00:21:27.980 --> 00:21:29.980 probably would. Yeah. All right. I think they'll 00:21:29.980 --> 00:21:33.240 have to. Double my Fago Red Pop in a three liter. 00:21:33.940 --> 00:21:36.980 I'm going Campbell, Anzaloni, and Barnes as your 00:21:36.980 --> 00:21:40.519 three that are obvious to make the team. You're 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:42.660 going to have Grant Stewart is definitely making 00:21:42.660 --> 00:21:44.539 this team. I don't see a way he doesn't. He's 00:21:44.539 --> 00:21:47.650 been so good in the preseason. And he's a special 00:21:47.650 --> 00:21:50.289 teams guy, which is always going to get you on 00:21:50.289 --> 00:21:53.109 the roster. Yeah, but he screws up on special 00:21:53.109 --> 00:21:55.170 teams all the time. He's had two penalties and 00:21:55.170 --> 00:22:00.230 a fumble. I like how he's playing linebacker. 00:22:00.230 --> 00:22:03.450 I can't wait to pour cheap vodka into my three 00:22:03.450 --> 00:22:05.029 liter of Red Pop that you're sending me. Zach 00:22:05.029 --> 00:22:08.569 Cunningham and Trevor Nowoski are probably going 00:22:08.569 --> 00:22:11.579 to make this team. If Trevor Nowoski makes this 00:22:11.579 --> 00:22:14.200 team, I'll be upset. Nowoski, I mean, he's going 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:15.799 to make it. I think he's going to make it. I 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:17.319 think he's going to be the sixth. The only other 00:22:17.319 --> 00:22:20.220 guy I think of would be like Ezekiel Turner possibly 00:22:20.220 --> 00:22:24.140 taking his spot. But Turner and Nowoski don't 00:22:24.140 --> 00:22:28.599 play the same role. So you're probably looking 00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:32.059 at like Cunningham or Nowoski then. And then 00:22:32.059 --> 00:22:34.640 I think Cunningham makes it. So I don't know. 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:37.059 I'm going with Cunningham, Stewart, Nowoski, 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:39.180 Campbell, and Zaloni -Barnes. Those are my six. 00:22:39.369 --> 00:22:42.130 I'm going five. And I don't know about Malcolm 00:22:42.130 --> 00:22:43.970 Rodriguez. You've got a great question mark in 00:22:43.970 --> 00:22:47.009 on him because he's hurt. How do we, how do we 00:22:47.009 --> 00:22:49.549 find, I don't know if we find space for him or 00:22:49.549 --> 00:22:52.410 not. Cause then you got seven. No, no, no, no. 00:22:52.470 --> 00:22:55.029 There's no way. How hurt is Malcolm? Do you have 00:22:55.029 --> 00:22:59.049 anything on that? Like out last year has not 00:22:59.049 --> 00:23:03.269 played this year. It's a bad injury. So maybe 00:23:03.269 --> 00:23:07.089 he kind of hides behind the PUP and we'll see. 00:23:07.230 --> 00:23:10.170 Okay, all right, uh defensive back room i've 00:23:10.170 --> 00:23:14.250 got dj reed lock amika robertson lock taran arnold 00:23:14.250 --> 00:23:17.309 lock I've got rake straw as a lock. I know he's 00:23:17.309 --> 00:23:19.809 hurt, but they're not going to give up on him 00:23:19.809 --> 00:23:22.990 What he's shown has not been terrible. He just 00:23:22.990 --> 00:23:26.329 can never be healthy Dorsey is a lock my guy 00:23:26.329 --> 00:23:30.130 that I mentioned last week yaksen is a lock And 00:23:30.130 --> 00:23:32.630 then I go to the safety room. I've got kirby 00:23:32.630 --> 00:23:35.759 joseph brian branch I think Norris, and I just 00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:38.920 want to give kudos to, real quick, because we 00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:41.380 didn't talk about it a ton, scary injury. Nathan 00:23:41.380 --> 00:23:44.220 Carter, former Michigan State Rutgers athlete, 00:23:44.420 --> 00:23:46.940 and Maurice Norris had a very, very scary collision. 00:23:47.660 --> 00:23:50.500 And I've never really thought anything of Raheem 00:23:50.500 --> 00:23:53.779 Morris as a head coach. He was the one that apparently 00:23:53.779 --> 00:23:56.539 initiated that to Dan Campbell, that we are done. 00:23:57.059 --> 00:24:00.059 It is a preseason game. Take the fines. We don't 00:24:00.059 --> 00:24:02.660 care and dan campbell said you are a good man 00:24:02.660 --> 00:24:06.319 agreed and they called the game And then a guy 00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:08.440 i'm hearing a lot about I have him in the safety 00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:10.920 room, even though he's truly more a nickelback 00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:15.299 is white side local kid My question is do they 00:24:15.299 --> 00:24:18.140 keep four safeties or excuse me? I've got six 00:24:18.140 --> 00:24:21.140 dbs So there's some you know, there's a lot of 00:24:21.140 --> 00:24:23.259 shuffling here But what we're trying to do is 00:24:23.259 --> 00:24:26.319 give you a flavor for where we see it You know, 00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:28.140 possibly projecting just like we're missing. 00:24:28.339 --> 00:24:30.680 I think you might be missing a guy unless I just 00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:33.640 didn't hear his name. Yeah. How it. How do you 00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:36.440 feel about Hallett? I didn't have him on my list, 00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:39.099 so that's how I feel. I'm going to give you a 00:24:39.099 --> 00:24:41.660 quote from Campbell on him. He played really 00:24:41.660 --> 00:24:44.000 well. He played pretty darn well in this this 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:47.200 Dalton's game. He's a guy that can play all the 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:49.640 positions. So you need a corner, you need a nickel, 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:51.980 you need a safety, he can do them all. Mentally, 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:54.319 he knows them all. He's kind of our get us out 00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:56.480 of trouble guy. That sounds like a guy that's 00:24:56.480 --> 00:24:59.200 gonna make this roster. To me, that sounds like 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:00.940 a versatile guy who's gonna make the roster. 00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:04.680 I love it, Chet, because I think Whiteside is 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:08.220 such a long shot to make it. Do you really? A 00:25:08.220 --> 00:25:10.220 lot of people think he's gonna make it too. They 00:25:10.220 --> 00:25:12.480 think Callit and Whiteside are gonna be a final 00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:14.640 two. Well, then Norris is out. Yeah, I don't 00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:17.259 think Norris... Norris, I don't think will you've 00:25:17.259 --> 00:25:19.119 got Khalil Dorsey. Don't forget about Dorsey. 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:22.200 He's on the I have Dorsey injured He's in the 00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:24.599 he's injured right now. Yeah, but he's gonna 00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:29.579 he's on the roster. Yeah, I mean so yeah, I Again, 00:25:30.180 --> 00:25:33.759 we're not quite to the 53 yet, but to your point 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:36.099 I think you brought up two excellent positions 00:25:36.099 --> 00:25:38.940 on that here. It gets really easy for special 00:25:38.940 --> 00:25:41.559 teams Shake Fox is our punter. Jake Bates is 00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:45.960 our kicker Hatton is our long snapper So what 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:51.259 happens next is the Lions have a Thursday scrimmage 00:25:51.259 --> 00:25:53.559 against the Houston Texans who are visiting Ford 00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:56.940 Field. To your point, Chet, it was absolutely 00:25:56.940 --> 00:26:01.980 raucous. I've never seen a preseason game as 00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:05.119 eclectic as that and I expect the same for this 00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:08.680 week four. Most teams it's week three, but week 00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:10.660 four because the Lions had that Hall of Fame 00:26:10.660 --> 00:26:15.549 game against the Chargers. This week at 1 p .m. 00:26:15.609 --> 00:26:18.069 Eastern Time, 12 p .m. Central Time, this Saturday 00:26:18.069 --> 00:26:21.170 against the Texans. I would love to say this 00:26:21.170 --> 00:26:24.170 is a great step up in competition because the 00:26:24.170 --> 00:26:26.609 Texans typically win their division because it's 00:26:26.609 --> 00:26:29.470 the worst division in football. The problem is 00:26:29.470 --> 00:26:31.769 no starters will play in this game. So we won't 00:26:31.769 --> 00:26:33.609 get to see Nico Collins. We won't get to see 00:26:33.609 --> 00:26:36.630 C .J. Stroud. Joe Mixon's really, really hurt. 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:39.819 They have some running back questions, so maybe 00:26:39.819 --> 00:26:42.200 a trade might happen between these two teams 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:44.160 because the Lions... I almost find the inner 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:46.559 squad workouts to be more interesting than the 00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:49.000 darn games because the starters actually play. 00:26:49.339 --> 00:26:51.839 They're way more interesting. And one of the 00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:55.579 things I do expect is a potential trade. I think 00:26:55.579 --> 00:27:00.519 Vahki might be a Texan at the end of this. Really? 00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:04.509 Lions have... The number one, according to ESPN, 00:27:04.690 --> 00:27:07.089 pro football focus in a bunch of other sites, 00:27:07.690 --> 00:27:11.769 running back room in the NFL. They have depth 00:27:11.769 --> 00:27:15.509 in the, unfortunately the Texans don't, so who 00:27:15.509 --> 00:27:18.069 knows? I'm looking forward to the practices this 00:27:18.069 --> 00:27:21.410 week, or excuse me, practice like you are. I 00:27:21.410 --> 00:27:23.890 think D 'Amico Ryan's, their head coach, is cut 00:27:23.890 --> 00:27:26.150 from the same cloth as Dan Campbell. I think 00:27:26.150 --> 00:27:28.829 it'll be physical and then I expect to see nothing 00:27:28.829 --> 00:27:33.089 on the field. Saturday, except for a, again, 00:27:33.730 --> 00:27:37.690 really, really buzzed, raucous, raucous crowd 00:27:37.690 --> 00:27:41.789 at Ford Field. Any thoughts? No, I, you know, 00:27:41.890 --> 00:27:44.029 the preseason is going as the preseason goes. 00:27:44.190 --> 00:27:46.009 That's wonderful. It's fine. We're hearing about 00:27:46.009 --> 00:27:48.089 all these guys that are going to play second 00:27:48.089 --> 00:27:50.410 and third string positions. I just keep chomping 00:27:50.410 --> 00:27:52.309 at the bit to see the starters and see where 00:27:52.309 --> 00:27:54.170 they're at and see how some of them have developed, 00:27:54.230 --> 00:27:57.259 which is why I got very excited. about the Inner 00:27:57.259 --> 00:28:00.480 Squad practices with Miami and getting to actually 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:02.779 see some of the film and highlights from those, 00:28:03.019 --> 00:28:06.380 our receivers look incredible right now. And 00:28:06.380 --> 00:28:08.900 I think we are going to have a very good passing 00:28:08.900 --> 00:28:11.940 game this season. I have a... You gave me a couple 00:28:11.940 --> 00:28:14.240 big thoughts and I haven't really given you any, 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:16.099 like, thing that you can come back to me on, 00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:19.539 meaning our silly little beer bets that never 00:28:19.539 --> 00:28:21.400 really seem to prophesize because they usually 00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:24.910 cancel each other out. Yeah. Mine is, I think 00:28:24.910 --> 00:28:27.009 the offense is going to be better this year under 00:28:27.009 --> 00:28:29.269 John Morton than it was last year under Ben Johnson. 00:28:29.829 --> 00:28:32.970 You know what, what would be the perfect situation 00:28:32.970 --> 00:28:38.349 is if we set some sort of offensive records this 00:28:38.349 --> 00:28:43.190 season. Sons, Ben Johnson, and the Bears remained 00:28:43.190 --> 00:28:45.970 the trash that they've been for the last half 00:28:45.970 --> 00:28:48.150 decade. Do you think there's any possibility 00:28:48.150 --> 00:28:51.549 we could have that? I'll be very curious to see 00:28:51.549 --> 00:28:56.519 how Ben does as a as a head coach with that bears. 00:28:57.140 --> 00:29:00.980 I think he's a really good offensive coordinator. 00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:03.599 I think two things. One, people underestimate 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:07.819 how much influence Dan Campbell has on the offense. 00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:12.220 Dan's an offensive guy. That was his upbringing. 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:14.299 He was a tight end. He was a tight end, then 00:29:14.299 --> 00:29:15.980 he was a tight end coach, then he was an O -line 00:29:15.980 --> 00:29:20.119 coach, then he was an O -coordinator. Dan? Runs 00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:23.940 the offense as Dan sees fit and Dan hired someone 00:29:23.940 --> 00:29:28.180 that I don't say under his thumb, but the other 00:29:28.180 --> 00:29:31.700 part of that is Ben Johnson doesn't seem like 00:29:31.700 --> 00:29:34.940 a leader of men or a culture guy Is Ben Johnson 00:29:34.940 --> 00:29:37.759 gonna be the next Josh McDaniels? No, he's gonna 00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:41.440 be the next Bears ex -head coach, which is would 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:44.230 you take him back? After all this is a lion's 00:29:44.230 --> 00:29:47.390 - No, not if John - I just said John Morton's 00:29:47.390 --> 00:29:49.049 gonna be - If John Morton could - and Zen does 00:29:49.049 --> 00:29:52.410 - ah okay, alright. Yeah, I get it. I mean, John 00:29:52.410 --> 00:29:54.890 Morton might get hired away. Okay, so say my 00:29:54.890 --> 00:29:56.809 prediction doesn't come true, then yeah, we have 00:29:56.809 --> 00:30:01.150 an opening, sure. But yeah, no, I feel bad. Like, 00:30:01.230 --> 00:30:05.259 Aaron Glenn's the next - Ex -Jets coach in Benedict 00:30:05.259 --> 00:30:06.779 Johnson is the next ex -bears coach. All these 00:30:06.779 --> 00:30:09.400 guys expect them to recreate what they've done. 00:30:09.660 --> 00:30:11.099 Nah, it's not gonna happen, man. It's very difficult 00:30:11.099 --> 00:30:14.119 to do. The chemistry's different. At any rate, 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:16.940 I'll be... I give Aaron... How about this? We 00:30:16.940 --> 00:30:19.660 will do one more gentleman's bet. I give Aaron 00:30:19.660 --> 00:30:23.160 Glenn a better punters chance to last longer 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:27.380 in New York than I do Benedict. That's interesting. 00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:31.079 That's fascinating. Okay. Okay. Would you take 00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:34.000 that? No, because I actually think he is gonna 00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:36.680 last longer as the Jets. I think Aaron Glenn 00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:39.619 is just a more, yeah. I think he has the fire 00:30:39.619 --> 00:30:41.500 to be the head coach, the intelligence to be 00:30:41.500 --> 00:30:44.180 the head coach. I don't know. I think he's the 00:30:44.180 --> 00:30:46.019 leader of men. I'll be curious to see what happens 00:30:46.019 --> 00:30:48.539 here with Ben. It's gonna be a toss -up for me. 00:30:48.579 --> 00:30:51.059 Well, the thing is Ben has the quarterback, whether 00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:54.259 he can make it work or not. Yeah. Starting Justin 00:30:54.259 --> 00:30:56.859 right Justin fields with nobody behind him cuz 00:30:56.859 --> 00:31:00.259 didn't who's oh Tyron Taylor or something like 00:31:00.259 --> 00:31:02.519 that was the Jets back up and he just got hurt 00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:05.779 or Tyrod Taylor So Aaron's got a kind of built 00:31:05.779 --> 00:31:08.519 -in excuse. Yeah, and the other difference is 00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:11.480 that that division Let's just say Josh Allen 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.579 gets hurt. Yeah that divisions very well open 00:31:15.579 --> 00:31:21.180 very open where the NFC North I mean One team 00:31:21.180 --> 00:31:23.460 falls, you know. Right outside of the Bills, 00:31:23.660 --> 00:31:25.859 there isn't, who else is a quarterback of note 00:31:25.859 --> 00:31:28.660 in that division? I think Drake May is going 00:31:28.660 --> 00:31:30.019 to have a good year this year. You think so? 00:31:30.059 --> 00:31:32.480 You really think so? Okay. Well, I think variable 00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:35.339 is that good of a coach. Okay. All right. Finally 00:31:35.339 --> 00:31:38.000 cleared out the Belichick mess and actually have 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:41.059 a little bit of talent. We'll see. Okay. All 00:31:41.059 --> 00:31:43.460 right. The Belichick mess. Like, I never thought 00:31:43.460 --> 00:31:46.000 we would call it that. It didn't seem like a 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:46.839 mess, right? Well, Brady was the... Hold on. 00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:48.960 That's a... How about next pod we lead right 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:50.920 back into this it'll be like one of those shows 00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:53.220 that ends and then we start right again in the 00:31:53.220 --> 00:31:57.460 next pod Tom Brady was the genius Belichick wasn't 00:31:57.460 --> 00:32:00.940 Billy P out All right, folks. We leave you with 00:32:00.940 --> 00:32:03.200 that. The next pod is gonna be a Patriots podcast 00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:06.039 You're at Detroit Lions. You're at litter box 00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:08.660 Detroit Lions. Excellent. Well, Tom Brady did 00:32:08.660 --> 00:32:10.500 play at Michigan, so at least we're tying it 00:32:10.500 --> 00:32:13.519 into the state. But it's been wonderful. Enjoy 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.380 the final preseason game and the two week lead 00:32:16.380 --> 00:32:18.240 up to the start of the regular season. We're 00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:20.140 going to get our 53 man here before you know 00:32:20.140 --> 00:32:23.799 it. And football will be back as football fans. 00:32:24.220 --> 00:32:29.180 We are are in bloom pretty soon. So enjoy your 00:32:29.180 --> 00:32:31.559 final preseason, guys. Go Lions.