This is The Litterbox, a Detroit Lions podcast
with your hosts, Chad West and Bill Paxton. Lions
Litterbox listeners. I told you I didn't really
care for preseason football last time we spoke
because it just doesn't tell us enough about
the team we're going to see on the field during
the regular season. However, one thing And I'm
going to ask you a question in a minute, Bill.
One thing that sticks out to me. What we're learning
about this team is we don't have a backup quarterback.
We are learning that our offensive line, once
you get past that two deep or one deep to the
two deep, isn't that great? We're young. Our
D backs look pretty good. Can't really tell much
about a defense when you're given ball position
to the other team at the 30. after every drive.
Bill, why don't you wrap up what you saw in the
Hall of Fame game? It was awful and it started
terrible and continued on that course. Basically,
the Lions fumbled the opening kickoff, having
a linebacker receive it, which is also very odd,
but very on brand for Dan Campbell football,
MCDC. And after that, that wasn't the only short
field that they gave the Los Angeles Chargers
who were playing more. Let's just say if they're
too deep. I don't know that starters were playing
in this game whatsoever, but but you know players
were playing for the Chargers and they absolutely
smoked the Lions. It's the worst loss in the
Dan Campbell era ever in preseason 34 to 7 and
they just looked out classed. Most importantly
to your point is that Kyle Allen looked completely
overwhelmed and couldn't do anything. Anytime
he was getting a drive started, he threw an interception.
And even worse, we wait till the second half
and, you know, our third round pick from a few
years ago, three years ago, Hendon Hooker comes
in and can't move the offense. He only completes
three passes. So overall, I left the game not
feeling good about anything Not because of the
score but because we didn't really see anything
outside of three players Dan skipper played on
the offensive line and looked like you'd expect
Dan skipper to be which is He is the backup backup
tackle, you know, meaning that he'll he's not
even The guy that's gonna come in if Sewell or
Decker God forbid get hurt. He's the Extra tackle,
you know at the goal line or you know now eligible
skipper the other guy that looked really good
is Our third round pick this year Teh slaw I
had two catches and he clearly love it look good
Yeah, love it look pretty good, too And then
Craig Reynolds is the other guy that looked good,
but Craig Reynolds and skipper were already gonna
make the team Teh slaw was also gonna make the
team so I didn't learn anything. You know what
I'm saying? You can call them coleslaw, by the
way. Just call them coleslaw. So it was great
that the Lions got an extra week of practice.
It was great they were on national TV. It was
great that they got to participate in this, but
we didn't learn anything. And if anything, I
left immediately after and like just kind of
typed up some notes and thought that, you know,
I think the Chargers look really good, which
I thought they would look good going into the
season. I just thought they looked more prepared,
didn't commit as many mistakes, but again, it's
week one and you know, of preseason. So how much
let it go. Yeah. That being said, I'm going to
volley back to you on this backup quarterback
is a huge concern of mine and Carson Wentz is
still out there. All he's asking for is a guaranteed
contract and he has to be the number two. I do
not want him getting gobbled up. If this continues,
So I am giving this week to Hendon Hooker, who
should, according to all notes, is being named
the starter against the Falcons Friday night
for the first half. I believe Kyle Allen will
get the second half. We will not see Jared Goff
in any way, shape or form. I would like a veteran
backup that could win us a game against a division
rival because I have zero confidence that Enden
Hooker could go to Lambeau or to Minneapolis
or to Soldier Field even though it's the last
week of the season and be able to pull a rabbit
out of his hat. And I have less faith in Kyle
Allen who literally I think peaked in high school
as a five -star athlete in his just been mediocre
since then. Your thoughts? What do you think?
Let me throw this at you, Bill, because this
is something I've been kind of thinking about
only. So we've got a series of concerns lining
up for this season here. We have an offensive
line that is slightly restructured, involving
most likely a rookie in there somewhere. I think
more than slightly restructured. Three fifths
of it's going to be new players. We have. edge
rush concerns and and the health of a one Aiden
Hutchinson who's now we're starting to hear contract
talk about Aiden and an extension and how it
might be kind of a a little bit of a snafu there
getting to that number and we've got some issues
with the quarterback position beyond Jared Goff.
What do you think is the single biggest concern
Lions fans have for this season? And I'm betting
it's probably a concern we've had for the last
two. But what do you think it is? What do you
think is the single biggest concern for Lions
fans? Like the one thing that if it happens,
it's like, oh, boy. Jared Goff goes down. The
season's over. Bingo. Unless they pick up the
phone and get a Carson Wentz, who I'm not saying
is going to get you 15 wins like the Lions had
last year, but should be priority number one.
He could get you If disaster happens, he could
get you to 11 wins. He could get you 10. Playoffs
and maybe golf gets healthy. Who knows? I mean,
we're obviously sitting here coming up with the
most hypothetical, but at the same time, we've
been dodging this bullet for two years. Three
years going to hit us in the face. And the other
part of it is to your point, which I think these
go hand in hand. We have a new center. meaning
that Frank Ragnow is no longer the center, whether
it's Graham Glasgow, who has also played center
for the Lions. He's also played left guard and
right guard. It's a new position for him with
the other guys on the line. You've got a rookie
at one of those spots in Tate Ratledge, whether
he's the center or whether he's the right guard
guard. Yeah. And then you've got a new left guard,
probably in mahogany who played well. you know,
in spot duty last year, but small sample size.
So that coupled with the fact that play action
is the lion's bread and butter. The chance that
your quarterback may take a few hits. He always
does. Could be, you know, more in play. with
a less experienced line. And so I ask, everybody
talks, oh, go sign Z, go sign, get us some address.
You know what? I have to love a backup quarterback
right now that's capable. I don't know what Hendon
Hooker has been doing for three years. I have
no clue, but he hasn't picked it up. It isn't
there. And Kyle Allen hasn't started a game in
years for a reason. Yeah, like I said, he peaked
in high school football. In Texas A &M, he showed
nothing, which... Jimbo Fisher contract be damn
probably wished he hadn't signed him and didn't
hooker has a golden opportunity Placed in front
of them like our sister podcast. It's kind of
like Jayce young. There's an opening at third
base There's an opening at backup quarterback.
Take it hand in hooker. They drafted you they
traded up Your dad is good friends with Brad
Holmes You have the longest leash of any backup
quarterback ever drafted by any team in the history
of the NFL And if you can't capitalize on it,
he really needs to figure this out. Give us some
confidence. I don't feel bad for a moment if
Brad Holmes and company pick up the phone and
get a Carson once. What worries me, Chet, is
news of the day, Teddy Bridgewater, who's always
been the de facto Lions backup signed with the
Buccaneers today. And not that I wanted him,
but Huntley, he played at UCLA, signed with the
Browns. The Browns are just collecting quarterbacks
at this point. I feel like Carson Owens would
be a perfect backup quarterback for this team.
Perfect. I don't know why. I do too. I don't
know why he fits. In my mind, he fits. He could
come in and manage a game and keep us out of
trouble and possibly win some games with the
talent that he's going to have around him. And
should we start talking about some of that talent?
Yeah, in just a minute. The other thing with
that is that he excels in the play action offense
is the other part of that, which is the I've
heard so much about, hey, we're gonna miss, you
know, our offensive coordinator. What did Ben
John? He was God's gift to the offense, this
and that. I think John Morton's gonna fit in
pretty seamlessly. Think it'll be fine. Yeah.
I think the key thing is gonna be, can the offensive
line in that middle hold? How's the center quarterback
exchange gonna be? And can we keep Jared Goff
healthy for 17 games? Let's talk about the other
aspect of it. I think you wanted to talk a little
bit about probably the number one strength of
the team, which is the running back position.
I think this coming season, Jameer Gibbs has
a chance to be the best running back in the NFL.
I think he can exceed or pass Saquon. I think
he's going to be turned loose. I think Morton's
offense, I think he's going to get a lot more
involved in passing game. You're gonna see him
cracking up some passing yards. You're gonna
see him getting the football in the run more
often I think it's gonna be a little less predictable
as to whether we have a passing down or a running
down and a passing player running play queued
up Based on who's in the backfield. I think you're
gonna see a little bit more of a variation there
I think Gibbs is gonna get used a lot more I
think Craig Reynolds makes a fine third running
back on this team and I know everybody was Patting
him on the back after last week's Hall of Fame
game because he turned in a good performance.
Craig Reynolds is solid. You know what? Craig
Reynolds is kind of what we need a quarterback
right now. A good backup that we know will get
us the win, get us the yards, whatnot. But Hennan
Hooker has all these weapons around him and can't
figure it out. Carson Wentz with all these weapons
I think could figure it out very well. Similar
to how Jared Goff has figured it out within this
offense with all these weapons. The offensive
line, question mark. The other strength that
I see is the wide receiver crew. I think this
Tayslaw guy, Tayslaw. Coleslaw. Coleslaw. I think
Coleslaw is going to be the real deal. I see
him, he's going to slot right in there and provide
that sort of intermediate range that we need.
I think Jamo is going to be, you know, he got
his number one. I think he's going to be flying
up and down the field doing his thing. And from
all reports, he's just been burning people in
practice. And he's apparently rounded out his
work ethic this past off season and really started
working on, you know, his physical and his approach
to his routes and whatnot. Mental, that's always
going to be a question mark there. We'll see.
We'll see. Give him a chance, I guess. I think
Laporta is going to get used a ton. in this Morton
offense. I think he's going to be a huge weapon
this season. I think he's going to have a bounce
back. He had a little down sophomore year. I
think this junior season here is going to be
a big one for him. So I have some thoughts on
all of that, if I can add. You're 100 percent
correct. And Coleslaw being on board, I hope
it means the name Tom Kennedy never comes across
ever again and nothing against him. Just envision
this. You've got Amon Ra, J Mo. and and slaw
in there okay and those three guys and tim patrick
who just sustained an injury tim patrick did
sustain an injury um i think there's there's
a little bit of an injury update on him today
he left practice let's hope it's nothing too
serious but either way but slaw gets more slaw
gets more throws he gets a little more mayo And
Patrick has had MCL and ACL injuries in the past,
which is how the Lions were. He has had injury
issues. That's exactly right. And if I can circle
back to running backs, I've got a name for you.
Okay. I agree with you 100 % on Jameer Gibbs.
Okay. I do think David Montgomery's workload
is going to start seeing a slight decrease. Just
a slight decrease. And I don't see David Montgomery
being a Lion. Next season. Okay, I think this
is his last season and the reason for that is
I can go with all that I think that's probably
that's all right. She owned Vahki is Gonna start
getting those short line carries. He was a draft
pick that again Common theme here Brad Holmes
traded up for he played safety and running back
at Utah was an exceptional player He got a look
or two last year when Montgomery went down and
he looked real good running the football when
he had it And he is someone I would expect these
next two weeks in the preseason to get long looks.
Apparently he is catching the ball very well.
Out of the backfield, he's a bigger back, more
in the Montgomery mold than the Gibbs mold. But
I still think Gibbs is going to have an exceptional
season. The other thing I heard is that JMo's
route tree has been expanded great. Greatly.
I don't know if that means that Ben Johnson's
route tree was too Expansive for him. It was
too complex or if Johnny Morton's just dumbing
it down or they've come to a you know, happy
place All those things are good From what we're
hearing on this two other names for you in the
running back room who I don't think will even
make the 53 man Jabari small and Jacob sailors
just watch him this week, but Probably say goodbye
as you think so. All right. Well, I mean, I don't
see them carrying more than four running backs.
We know Montgomery Gibbs and Craig Reynolds are
going to make the team. I would say there is
a well, excuse me. I would say Vocky is going
to make the team and I would also say Reynolds
makes the team. Vocky plays a lot of special
teams too, so he's got a spot there. So does
Craig Reynolds. The other reason why I would
also say that, you know, when we talk about the
receiver room, you know, it's JMo, it's Amon,
it's Tim Patrick, it's Cole Slaw, and then Raymond
does return puns and kicks, so he's going to
be... part of that mix as well. Tom Kennedy,
it was awesome seeing you in preseason for the
last three years. Well, you know, we finally,
we finally appear to have some receiver depth.
Yeah. And we were kind of cobbling that third
and fourth receiver thing together for a while
there. Josh Reynolds had a season. He left, got
money. Did nothing. Played terribly where he
went. Did nothing. You know what's interesting?
Patrick turned him into a three. Number three,
number four guy. That went pretty well. He's
injury prone. He has an injury to start the season
off. I see Lovett and Slough picking that up.
And I think you got your permanent three there
in Slough here pretty soon. So I've got a bunch
of family. I'm gonna give a shout out to nephews,
Austin and Cooper, who are big Broncos fans.
In the minute that Patrick was signed by the
Lions and they... Conversely they being the Broncos
had signed Reynolds. They're like the Lions fleeced
us They fleeced us the Broncos are doomed with
this and Josh Reynolds was not a good Bronco
whatsoever matter of fact. He didn't even suit
up In the jet now. We'll see what happens there.
Well, good luck Aaron Glenn Aaron Glenn's going
to be just the next ex jet head coach But I do
have a, and I think Ben Johnson's go to die.
It used to be the lions. Now it's the jets. I
also think Ben Johnson's going to be the next
ex bears coach. I do have a beer bet for you
though. Okay. I agree with you about Gibbs. There's
no way he scores 20 touchdowns again. I think
the numbers under that and really. Yeah. So old
style coming your way. You can send me whatever.
Okay. The finest is a grain belt. Is that your
Grain belt would be a good match to old style.
It would be a good swap. Okay. So, uh, I would
love it if it happens. I just think they're going
to diversify a little more because I hope that
David Montgomery is more healthy, but I also
think Vocky is going to get a lot of carries
on that. So anything else you'd like to touch
on, on the skill positions on the offense? Here,
here's what I know. I have nothing else where
offense is concerned. I do want to touch on defense
because there are a couple of things I heard,
little chatter, little quotes and whatnot that
I heard this past week that I found very interesting
on the defensive side. Are you ready for defense?
Yeah. I just, can we do one thing? Cause I just
want to do due diligence to it. I'm looking at,
you know, today's practice roster and what's
being forecast via the Lions website. And so
right now, the offensive line is Taylor Decker,
you know, left tackle. No surprises there. He
did have to have his, I believe his knee cleaned
up a little bit, but he's back at practice and
doing fine. Christian Mahogany, as mentioned,
is the left guard. Graham Glasgow has been taking
the majority of snaps at center. Tate Ratledge
is going to be the right guard, as you said earlier,
and then the all -pro, all -world, all -everything.
Penne Sewell is going to be a right tackle. Pretty
comfortable with that five if that's the five
that they stick with practice with and works
best I was always really nervous about drafting
a guard Regardless of how well ratledge played
and for you know, the pedigree of program He
played at the University of Georgia starting
him as a center when he wasn't a center in my
example is this I had forgotten that Frank Ragnow,
who was an all SEC center at Arkansas, wasn't
the starting center his first year as a lion.
His rookie year, Travis Swanson, was the center.
And then they eventually moved him over, which
could also say a lot about former or previous
regimes and their ineptitude. But what I'm saying
is I'm much more comfortable having a veteran
there and easing into the position. Whether it
be ratledge or they draft a center in the future
Then starting a rookie there in Lambeau field
week one. That's my take on that I don't see
ratledge starting at center week one. We're aligned
I think it's gonna be end of the season have
second half of the season unless something drastic
happens. Well, let's hope Glasgow You know is
healthy centers are a tough Yeah a tough by the
way quick plug before we get to defense for those
of you that haven't watched Netflix's quarterback,
great Jared Goff stuff. Absolutely amazing. They
follow three quarterbacks, Kurt Cousins, who
seemingly is always on it. He's entertaining.
Go figure. He's the entertaining guy. I don't
think prior to two years ago, anybody would have
thought Kurt Cousins would be entertaining. Yeah,
exactly. Now he's everybody's favorite guy to
watch on, you know, the reality shows. Crazy.
Jared Goff, who is also extremely entertaining,
but in a totally different sense. And then A
Joe Burrow who, outside of his talent, seems
to be kind of an enigma, in my opinion, but whatever.
You know, for fun, they should just throw, like,
Bill Belichick and his girlfriend in there. Just
to ratchet up the entertainment. Just what they
talk about on the side, along with the rest of
these guys. They don't talk. They don't talk.
You don't think so? They're getting into deep
conversations on the couch, Bill. How do you
like the wine, honey? What's her Amazon account
number again, Bill? Dear oh boy. All right, so
let's head to defense. Let's do defense before
we get in trouble So I I heard two things this
past week and we really kind of hammered in on
the defense in the first episode So I don't want
to go too deep on defense this time, but I heard
a couple interesting things number one We've
got a couple of free agent signings veterans
back there between DJ Reid and Avante Maddox
this past week You got a glimpse into, you know,
I love reading these Dan Campbell quotes midweek
because you get a glimpse into kind of his mind
and how it works and what he's how he's evaluating
these guys. And he couldn't stop talking to Vonte
Maddox up one day. Total Pro does everything
right, knows what his limitations are, knows
how to get around. It was it was a great I think
that cornerback group is going to be a huge strength.
And we said at the first. first episode, I have
a feeling that that crew is going to be a lot
like a legion of boom or a no -fly zone type
deal back there. I may be overplaying this a
little bit. I may be looking at some of the quotes
and some of the comments, but I have a feeling
we're going to have a really good pass defense
this season. I felt a lot better about it before
the last 72 hours. Seventh round draft pick from
the University of Georgia, Dan Jackson. Who is
nothing more than a backup safety special teams
guy? Is now an injured reserve and the news from
camp this week is that Ennis rake straw? Probably
will not suit up at least for the first eight
weeks ten weeks of this season He had a chest
contusion and a shoulder injury and Dan Campbell.
God bless him man. So professional complimented
him, was very stoic about it. That being said,
I agree. Two guys that weren't going to contribute
a ton right off the bat, either way. OK, all
right. Well, I have a name for you. I don't mean
to take the air out of that news, but I just
don't think that that is going to move the needle
enough to crush our defensive backfield. Well,
I have a name for you that I think is going to
fill the void very well. Rock. He had a good,
he had a decent game last week. And he was a
former second round pick of the Indianapolis
Colts that could never find his feet underneath
them there. And apparently, this staff are OCK.
The Rock. I -A -S -I -N. Apostrophe. Yeah, S
-I -N. Yeah, so I love DJ Reid, Terry -Ann Arnold.
So you've got two lockdown corners right there.
Apparently DJ Reid's lit it up in camp. Apparently
Terry -Ann Arnold looks like a different person
this year, a different player with a year under
his belt. And Amique Robertson, I think, is one
of the best nickelbacks in the business. You
already mentioned Avante Maddox. So they've got
four deep right there. not counting Khalil Dorsey.
And then I everything I'm reading and hearing
from, you know, the public sources. I don't have
any real sources. I have anybody in the locker
room. OK, I wish you and Jamo don't go out for
drinks and he doesn't give you the inside scoop.
We do go out for drinks, but I don't get the
inside scoop. Rock Yasin is my pick to click.
OK, like I think he's going to make the 53 man.
I think he's going to surprise us. He might.
I mean, I think that either way, I think that
the defensive backfield is going to be a huge
strength. The other thing I heard, not so much
on the positive side, and this was kind of Dan
kind of sending a message, I think, I believe
it was directed at Nate Lynn, who's somebody
that we're kind of hoping might contribute in
the edge rush. He had a statistically had a fairly
decent game. in the Hall of Fame game. I believe
he got into the backfield a few times, if that's
what a decent game consists of. Pro Football
Focus hated his game, but go ahead. OK, so that
might align with how with how Campbell felt.
Yeah, no. Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes are big
fans of Pro Football Focus. I think a lot of
GMs and head coaches are in this day and age.
Do you know who owns Pro Football Focus? Chris
Collinsworth. It's incredible. You know, Chris.
He's got his gig on Monday Night Football, and
then he's got pro football focus. Well, no, and
not only that, he got a son hired. And if you
go to the NBC Sports, literally under Jack Collinsworth,
it says he's Chris Collinsworth's son. Wonderful.
Let me talk about Nate Lynn, the Nate Lynn comment.
This gives you some insight into what he's looking
for in these guys and the technique and whether
they're doing things right and wrong. You keep
hearing him say stuff like that when he's grading
these guys out. Nate Lynn got in the backfield
a lot, but all the pressure was coming from the
back side of the quarterback or behind the quarterback.
So he kind of made this comment. He's like, you
know, it's great that he gets in there. And if
he gets the occasional sack that way, whatever,
I don't care because I'm not even looking at
that. If he doesn't get the sack, but he comes
up the middle and gets in the quarterback space
and moves the quarterback's feet That's what
I care about when you hear stuff like that from
Dan Campbell I find that fascinating insight
and it does make a ton of sense And this is a
line that's gonna need to move that quarterback
around and make them uncomfortable So if they
can do that with the defensive backfield, they
got coupled in there I see turnover margin going
up. I think we're gonna have a solid defense
this year I think we'll have a solid offense
eventually. I don't want to judge this team on
preseason games at this point. I just don't.
I'll do the individual thing, but I'm terrified
of judging this team on what we see in the preseason.
People should not get too worried. If I can do
a pro football focus, the highest graded player
from last Thursday's hall of fame game was actually
Ahmed Hassaneen. Was he? Yeah. Yeah. The D and
the new defense. Yeah. And so another thing that
I keep reading out of camp is that Aiden Hutchinson
looks all worldly. Davenport Marcus, that is
looks really good as well. And that Josh Pascal
continues to disappoint and that Hassaneen might
eclipse him to be second on that edge on the
other side of Hutchinson. So just know that he
might be a diamond in the rough and great to
this staff for finding him. I agree with everything
you're saying about the defense. My only concern
is defensive line injuries. If we went into the
season with McNeil and Reeder starting, I'd feel
a lot better than I do with Tylek Williams. in
Reader starting. It puts a lot of pressure on
Reader who's having a good camp. Williams is
basically a rock against the run. You cannot
run against him. I'm willing to give Tylek Williams
the shot here, though. I think he's got the skill.
I think they've, from everything I've read about
the guys, I think he's going to be a pretty good
one. That said, you don't want, you know, if
you can have a Lee McNeil, you want a Lee McNeil,
but he's just not going to get healthy in time.
Yeah, it's just The depth after that though,
let's just say Williams isn't that, you know,
because right now the starting, you know, defensive
line looks like it's Reader and Williams. After
last season, it was like a revolving door. And
then you've got Roy Lopez, who they signed as
a free agent from the Cardinals, who wasn't a
significant contributor. You've got McKay Wingo,
who is a LSU product that the Lions drafted who
Seemingly can't stay on the field and then you've
got Pat O 'Connor and then it gets really bad
You've got Broderick Martin who's never healthy
Chris Smith miles Adams and Keith Cooper jr.
So I am with you that health is gonna be a big
thing well, and I if they don't let's just say
best -case scenario Hendon Hooker shows and all
good things happen over the preseason and he
truly is a backup quarterback that you believe
in and can build around I still don't know that
Zedaria Smith is the greatest priority. I think
D -Lion getting somebody that was cut or somebody
that's fallen out of favor. Could you feel like
that's what they're going to wait and do though
before they sign somebody like Z? I feel like
they're going to wait and see what cuts look
like. I think Z is going to be a lion. There's
no way he's going to training camp though. He's
a veteran. Why would he? You know, I, I'm just
curious. I just, I wonder if they're just going
to wait and see what happens with cuts before
they make any moves and sign guys. That seems
to be, you know, mantra with this. He's just
going to show to Comerica and Belle Isle and
other Detroit luminaries, both conies with cash
doll and just go from there, you know, and hopefully
he'll be a lion again. So what are you looking
to see against the Falcons this week? A hand
and hooker be capable. Need to see Hendo do something
here and quite frankly Kyle Allen could literally
go 20 of 20 in the second half. I'm not sure
I'd trust them anyways wouldn't change my opinion
Whatsoever I would still be hoping that Carson
Wentz picks up the phone. I want to see a little
more slaw I want some more slaw with a little
more Mayo You like mayo with your slaw, don't
you? I do. Yeah, I like a heavy mayoed slaw.
Yeah, I'm a vinegar slaw guy. And a little more
love it. I'm glad those guys are out there running
around playing because I don't know who else
I'd want to watch at this point. I'd like to
see some Vahki. You want to see some Vahki? That's
a good call. I'd like to see Vahki. I'd like
to see some Vahki with my slaw. A little Vahki
with your slaw. That sounds like an interesting
dish. All right. Okay, Bill. Are we, have we
wrapped her up? Done. What do you feel? All right,
folks. Episode two. in the books. Go Lions. Maybe
we'll touch on a fantasy angle or two as the
preseason goes on. We're not going to touch on
that yet. We're not going down that road quite
yet, but we'll give you some thoughts eventually.
We'll tickle it. We're not going to dive headfirst
into fantasy, but we will tickle it where the
Lions are concerned. And maybe against the teams
they're going to play at times, we'll pick some
people out that could have a big game. But this
is it's not a fantasy podcast. At any rate, thanks
for listening. Go Lions. Let's have a good second
preseason game.