WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.839 Hey everyone, welcome to Collaboration Simplified. 00:00:02.859 --> 00:00:05.400 I'm Shervin Shafi and this is actually the first 00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:09.900 episode where it's a legit podcast that I have 00:00:09.900 --> 00:00:13.160 a guest on because the other episodes were recordings 00:00:13.160 --> 00:00:16.260 of my videos from my YouTube channel. So consider 00:00:16.260 --> 00:00:20.620 this the official first episode and who better 00:00:20.620 --> 00:00:25.239 to have on the show than my son. Ryan. Hey, Ryan. 00:00:25.300 --> 00:00:27.960 Welcome, man. Hi, it's great to be here in your 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:31.640 office. I love it here. Yeah, exactly. The same 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:35.899 office I record all my videos. So today I wanted 00:00:35.899 --> 00:00:41.439 to talk to Ryan about AI because this whole podcast 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:46.159 series is all about AI. And I wanted to, Ryan, 00:00:46.219 --> 00:00:50.219 get your perspective on AI from the lens of a 00:00:50.219 --> 00:00:55.960 16, 17 year old. and being in high school, how 00:00:55.960 --> 00:01:00.119 you end up using it and what you use from an 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:05.799 AI perspective? Well, compared to most students 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:08.280 or kids that I know around me that are my age, 00:01:08.500 --> 00:01:11.359 I don't use it as much as they do. And I use 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:16.000 it in kind of a very kind of abnormal way compared 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:20.480 to them. Like everyone uses it for homework. 00:01:20.739 --> 00:01:24.400 They always use it to say like, Some kids, if 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:27.079 they just want to abuse AI's power, they're like, 00:01:27.219 --> 00:01:30.180 okay, tell me what the answer for this equation 00:01:30.180 --> 00:01:32.359 is. They just do it to do all of its homework. 00:01:33.019 --> 00:01:36.599 And they don't really care about any explanation. 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:41.439 But someone like me, I use it to get explanations 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:45.200 about problems that I have really no idea how 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:47.340 to solve them. And it does a pretty good job 00:01:47.340 --> 00:01:49.719 of it if you give it the right prompt. So that's 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:54.159 basically what I use it for. 90, 95 % of the 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:57.180 time. Yeah, because up until a certain grade, 00:01:57.299 --> 00:02:01.480 I was your tutor basically helping you. And now 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:04.739 that your courses are more advanced, it's been 00:02:04.739 --> 00:02:07.019 a long time for me being in high school. And 00:02:07.019 --> 00:02:10.460 so it's almost like AI has become your tutor, 00:02:10.580 --> 00:02:13.340 which is an awesome use case, right? Because 00:02:13.340 --> 00:02:17.419 when I was growing up, there was no ability other 00:02:17.419 --> 00:02:20.439 than an actual person tutor. Now you can just 00:02:20.439 --> 00:02:22.919 type your questions in. And this goes well beyond 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:26.620 just search like Google because it's understanding. 00:02:26.699 --> 00:02:29.400 And I think maybe you even upload pictures of 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:32.020 your problems, right? Yeah, you can. You can 00:02:32.020 --> 00:02:35.159 do like three of them and you're good. And so 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:38.219 is it ChatGPT or what do you use? Yeah, I mean, 00:02:38.259 --> 00:02:44.080 honestly, like it depends. Like a software that 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:47.159 I open up, yeah, I use ChatGPT. because you know 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:49.259 ease of access and how popular it is everyone 00:02:49.259 --> 00:02:53.300 uses it but google's ai overview is like that 00:02:53.300 --> 00:02:56.699 thing is so seamless like it's so seamlessly 00:02:56.699 --> 00:02:59.620 fit into google that you don't even like think 00:02:59.620 --> 00:03:01.259 it's any different than a google search like 00:03:01.259 --> 00:03:04.340 it's just right there so i use that maybe like 00:03:04.340 --> 00:03:06.340 sometimes if i want a different perspective even 00:03:06.340 --> 00:03:09.539 though it's still ai i use Google's just search 00:03:09.539 --> 00:03:11.860 overview, too, a lot, and it helps. So you just 00:03:11.860 --> 00:03:15.659 go to, what, google .com, you type in your question, 00:03:15.780 --> 00:03:19.680 and then it goes to this AI mode, essentially, 00:03:19.819 --> 00:03:21.900 right? Yeah, it's, like, you know, at the top 00:03:21.900 --> 00:03:24.080 of the search bar, it'll say, so, like, if I 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:28.319 say, like, what is a mole, for example, and it 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:30.780 would say AI overview, and then it would say 00:03:30.780 --> 00:03:33.680 a mole is whatever, and then it would have in 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:35.819 the top, like, the sources that it pulls information 00:03:35.819 --> 00:03:39.930 from. And I mean, that's why it's not so accurate 00:03:39.930 --> 00:03:42.229 because it can pull sources from anywhere. So 00:03:42.229 --> 00:03:44.069 like sometimes it pulls sources from Reddit, 00:03:44.129 --> 00:03:47.270 which isn't very like reliable because it's feedback 00:03:47.270 --> 00:03:50.310 from people. Like for some instances, it's not 00:03:50.310 --> 00:03:52.870 always the most accurate thing that you could 00:03:52.870 --> 00:03:57.729 use. Yeah. And on that, the accuracy of it, how 00:03:57.729 --> 00:04:01.409 would you know if it's telling you the accurate 00:04:01.409 --> 00:04:05.960 solution to a problem or because, you know. From 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:08.879 the beginning, the inception of AI, everyone 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:11.979 talked about hallucinations and accuracy and 00:04:11.979 --> 00:04:14.939 you mentioned references. So how do you get yourself 00:04:14.939 --> 00:04:17.759 comfortable that this is actually it? So that 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:19.720 if you're going to study and you have a test 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:22.839 the next day, you didn't learn something incorrectly. 00:04:23.339 --> 00:04:26.860 Well, the thing is that I don't really rely on 00:04:26.860 --> 00:04:31.779 it from that. I don't treat it with the accuracy 00:04:31.779 --> 00:04:35.589 of like a professor or a doctor. my teacher who's 00:04:35.589 --> 00:04:40.269 my my teacher for chemistry she's a pretty well 00:04:40.269 --> 00:04:44.269 like decorated teacher so if i have a question 00:04:44.269 --> 00:04:46.689 over the weekend for homework she signs on friday 00:04:46.689 --> 00:04:49.870 i ask if it's something i'm clueless about i 00:04:49.870 --> 00:04:53.910 ask ai and i kind of because the reasoning a 00:04:53.910 --> 00:04:56.009 teacher gives and the reasoning ai gives are 00:04:56.009 --> 00:04:58.029 kind of different but they get the same answer 00:04:58.029 --> 00:05:00.889 so even though the ai's reasoning is different 00:05:00.889 --> 00:05:04.269 i try to find commonalities between it and the 00:05:04.269 --> 00:05:08.029 technique that my teacher uses and I try to come 00:05:08.029 --> 00:05:09.949 up with my own understanding of what it's giving 00:05:09.949 --> 00:05:12.750 me not just giving me exactly what it says I'm 00:05:12.750 --> 00:05:15.649 not just gonna copy and paste it I'm gonna try 00:05:15.649 --> 00:05:18.569 to figure it out how it's related to exactly 00:05:18.569 --> 00:05:21.750 to what my teacher wants me to think and then 00:05:21.750 --> 00:05:24.970 I ask her when I get back to school I ask her 00:05:24.970 --> 00:05:27.069 that same question to see if the logic kind of 00:05:27.069 --> 00:05:29.810 lines up okay that's good that's good you also 00:05:29.810 --> 00:05:33.620 ask your teacher double check Now, other than 00:05:33.620 --> 00:05:36.759 asking your questions about problems to help 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:40.319 your understanding of courses, do you use AI 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:42.620 in any other ways? It could be school or not 00:05:42.620 --> 00:05:48.540 school. The only thing that I kind of sometimes 00:05:48.540 --> 00:05:53.220 I use it for is if I'm kind of new to a certain 00:05:53.220 --> 00:05:57.379 topic, like if I have to research something for 00:05:57.379 --> 00:06:01.870 like. the other day like i was telling you about 00:06:01.870 --> 00:06:04.870 like there's like arcade machines like i was 00:06:04.870 --> 00:06:06.990 looking up something for that for school like 00:06:06.990 --> 00:06:10.649 i've never seen an like an arcade machine machine 00:06:10.649 --> 00:06:13.269 outside of dave and busters you know like who 00:06:13.269 --> 00:06:18.129 uses them so then i like i asked chp t like if 00:06:18.129 --> 00:06:20.750 i was to rent an arcade machine like where would 00:06:20.750 --> 00:06:25.509 i go what's what's a trustworthy place to buy 00:06:25.509 --> 00:06:28.870 one. So I use it for topics to kind of gain some 00:06:28.870 --> 00:06:30.569 background knowledge on things that I don't really 00:06:30.569 --> 00:06:33.250 understand. Okay, so researching basically. Yeah, 00:06:33.290 --> 00:06:37.009 I use it for the same as well. Okay, now this 00:06:37.009 --> 00:06:40.930 is you, but if you think about other students 00:06:40.930 --> 00:06:45.350 that are also in high school, give me kind of 00:06:45.350 --> 00:06:49.470 like the spectrum of what you have seen, the 00:06:49.470 --> 00:06:52.769 way people use AI from... like the ones that 00:06:52.769 --> 00:06:55.730 use it a lot and maybe the other end that like 00:06:55.730 --> 00:06:58.089 don't use it at all like what have you seen well 00:06:58.089 --> 00:07:02.910 the most um teenager way that people use it and 00:07:02.910 --> 00:07:04.490 the first thing that popped in my head was like 00:07:04.490 --> 00:07:08.490 i know this is not really relevant but like kids 00:07:08.490 --> 00:07:10.189 sometimes like if they don't know how to text 00:07:10.189 --> 00:07:13.790 a girl some kids do this and it's it's not common 00:07:13.790 --> 00:07:15.689 but i've heard of people do before it's like 00:07:15.689 --> 00:07:19.589 uh like this girl i like this girl chat gpt what 00:07:19.589 --> 00:07:22.110 do i say to her for her to like me back or something 00:07:22.110 --> 00:07:24.509 like that and then they would use it and then 00:07:24.509 --> 00:07:27.790 it would give them a response so i've seen people 00:07:27.790 --> 00:07:32.470 use it for that um what else i wonder what their 00:07:32.470 --> 00:07:34.889 success rate is you know like if it does give 00:07:34.889 --> 00:07:38.310 good feedback hey i'm what do i say to her i 00:07:38.310 --> 00:07:41.269 mean like i just don't understand like if you're 00:07:41.269 --> 00:07:44.170 the girl and you're literally like responding 00:07:44.170 --> 00:07:46.529 to an ai like if you think about it from that 00:07:46.529 --> 00:07:49.279 way like that's crazy like You're not even talking 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:53.339 to the kid. You're talking to a robot. That whole 00:07:53.339 --> 00:07:55.759 thing of be yourself goes out the window now. 00:07:56.459 --> 00:08:03.000 It's BAI. Exactly. So that's what kids use it 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:05.459 for. What about in a school setting? What have 00:08:05.459 --> 00:08:10.240 you seen or heard? Well, the main one is for 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:15.139 homework. That's the biggest one. Other than 00:08:15.139 --> 00:08:20.279 homework. One of the concerns that people have 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:22.839 in general, and this has been around a long time, 00:08:22.939 --> 00:08:27.600 even like calculators, you know, and the idea 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:33.000 was with the introduction of tools, are people 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:36.200 not going to learn their multiplication table 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:40.559 and the basic math? If they keep relying on the 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:43.639 calculator, if you keep relying on a computer, 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:49.120 how much? Is it okay to kind of hand off? And 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:52.519 how much of it you should learn so you understand 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:55.879 the principles yourself, right? So the kind of 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:58.759 concern a lot of people have with AI is, in a 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:02.639 way, it's kind of like dumbing down. It could 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:05.279 dumb down society as a whole, right? Like people 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:08.940 just use it as a crutch. And if you take that 00:09:08.940 --> 00:09:13.259 away, how smart are people going to be in the 00:09:13.259 --> 00:09:18.529 future? Yeah. I mean, when you see the calculator 00:09:18.529 --> 00:09:22.210 example, that kind of, I remembered when I was 00:09:22.210 --> 00:09:25.269 in elementary school, middle school, they start 00:09:25.269 --> 00:09:27.409 you off with things like multiplication table. 00:09:27.549 --> 00:09:31.250 Like at our age, you can use a calculator and 00:09:31.250 --> 00:09:33.809 multiply nine times six and you wouldn't need 00:09:33.809 --> 00:09:36.669 to think about it. But what they would do when 00:09:36.669 --> 00:09:38.230 you're younger is they wouldn't let you use a 00:09:38.230 --> 00:09:40.690 calculator. So they'd not force you, but they 00:09:40.690 --> 00:09:43.299 teach you to. to learn your times tables so that 00:09:43.299 --> 00:09:45.919 you'd remember them and then as time goes on 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:49.320 when that doesn't become the focal point of school 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:51.759 they would allow you to use a calculator because 00:09:51.759 --> 00:09:54.279 they know that you've mastered that skill so 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:58.860 it's kind of like with ai like there i don't 00:09:58.860 --> 00:10:01.259 know how but like maybe there needs to be a way 00:10:01.259 --> 00:10:05.320 that we like gradually start using it like in 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:07.779 for the example of me like asking you questions 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:10.720 about how to solve for the steps to solve an 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:13.039 equation instead of just asking it to solve the 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:16.100 equation with no reasoning you know like kind 00:10:16.100 --> 00:10:22.120 of using it piece by piece to kind of i don't 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:24.019 know not over exploit it you know what you're 00:10:24.019 --> 00:10:27.840 saying exactly no this is good thanks man it 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:30.740 was uh it's good getting your perspective and 00:10:30.740 --> 00:10:34.509 we'll talk more in the future as well so This 00:10:34.509 --> 00:10:36.649 is the first episode. Thanks again for tuning 00:10:36.649 --> 00:10:39.690 in. And if you have any comments, maybe you can 00:10:39.690 --> 00:10:45.350 email me at info at cozy, C -O -S -I dot pro, 00:10:45.529 --> 00:10:49.730 info at cozy dot pro. And let me know what topics 00:10:49.730 --> 00:10:53.809 you'd like to discover more. Typically on the 00:10:53.809 --> 00:10:57.690 Collaboration Simplified channel, you've seen 00:10:57.690 --> 00:11:00.669 my videos on AI agents, a lot of Microsoft stuff, 00:11:00.750 --> 00:11:03.899 but here we can open it up to. anything related 00:11:03.899 --> 00:11:06.720 to AI. So Ryan, thanks again, man. I really appreciate 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:08.500 it. Thank you for having me in this beautiful 00:11:08.500 --> 00:11:11.659 office again. I really do appreciate it. All 00:11:11.659 --> 00:11:13.659 right. Catch you later. All right. Bye -bye. 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:14.019 Bye.