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All right, we are live. How we doing? We're doing

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good, man. I'm glad to get you on. I had another...

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let's say educator on earlier. Okay. That was

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Craig Migliaccio. Yeah. He's a great guy. I mean,

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it seems like he's dedicated his life to... teaching

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people about HVAC. He's a good guy. To break

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into this, let me start off by asking you, tell

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me your story about how you got into the trades,

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maybe before you got into the trades and then

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how you got into, aren't you teaching now to

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some degree? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all

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I do. I mean, well, okay, that's not all I do,

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but I'll get into that. So long story, I basically

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you know, I moved out of my house really young

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I moved out of my house when I was 16 Was homeless

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for a while was had two jobs while I was going

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to high school Ended up doing getting going to

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school for electronic engineering and You know,

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I graduated I liked it. I mean I had a good job

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But I like really didn't dig it as much as what

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I think I probably would have I got laid off

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from a job and I was looking for a job in the

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you know that when you when you're on employment

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they're like hey you gotta you know keep applying

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for jobs is like okay so I did and I ended up

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getting a job doing water water treatment for

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industrial cooling towers and boilers and I knew

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nothing about refrigeration nothing at all and

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you know I met met some guys like myself and

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I was like what do you do and they're like we

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make shit cold I'm like how does that work So

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they got me interested and I was like, well,

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how do I get into it? And they're like, well,

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you can either go and go to the union, which

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I tried, or you could just go to school at a

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local community college. And that's what I ended

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up doing. And I went for I think a full semester.

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Go ahead. I want to ask you a question. You said

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you tried union. Where are you located? When

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I was trying union, I tried the local 420, which

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is the Philadelphia Steampitters. Um, that's

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the only union. Okay. So Pennsylvania is a big

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state, like you can drive eight hours through

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it. You know what I mean? So you got the Pittsburgh

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union. Um, I forget what the number is. They're

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going to hate me for it, but then then you have

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the, the four 20, the, the, the pipe pipe fitters

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in Philadelphia and it's, you know, Philadelphia

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is like, you got to know someone that knows someone.

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You know what I mean? And I don't, I didn't know

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anyone in this. Like it's usually, you know,

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second, third, fourth generations later that

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it went through the steam fitters or whatever.

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Right. So that's where I tried in the Philadelphia

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Union. Um, then, uh, so like I said, I went to

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community college. I went through for about a

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semester and I talked to the instructor. He,

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I was like, how am I doing? He's like, you're

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doing great. I said, I'm going to come back next

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semester. He's like, no, you don't have to. I'm

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like, what do you mean? He's like, well, you

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got, you know, electronics in this trade is probably

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75 to 85 % of what we deal with. I'm like, okay,

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so what should I do? He's like, um, you got the

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theory down, just go and get a job. So the first

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job I ever got was residential. I work for a

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guy, you know for a bit and you know first three

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weeks working for the guy, you know I was the

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biggest piece of s that he ever met and I was

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never gonna mount to nothing and Normally when

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someone tells me that I get real petty and I'm

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like, you know what? I'm gonna show you so I

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basically just kept fighting and fighting and

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you know, we went through it through residential

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then do then did commercial HVAC You know rooftop

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units and stuff like that. I got interested in

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market And just worked my way up. I even I made

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a pit stop and doing air compressors for a little

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bit like industrial air compressors or anything

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from like a five horse up to like a thousand

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horsepower. So I learned I learned the high voltage

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side. So like, you know, because a lot of big

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motors that big, they have like wide Delta start.

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So like three contactors, you know, you've probably

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seen split split winding part winding start,

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right? We have two contactors. One pulls in and

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then the other one pulls in after the other one

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just to give it a little boost. So it doesn't

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have as much in rush. I haven't seen that but

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okay well in in big industrial stuff you know

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big big motors when they're just using 460 uh

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they use wide delta so you have m1 s1 and and

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m2 so m1 and s1 pulling the same time and then

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it sounds like it switches gears kicks out s2

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and then or s1 and then kicks in m2 and then

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freaking wow and then gets up to full speed that

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way it reduces the amount of of inrush uh part

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winding start is used a lot in in cities where

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they have like voltage problems. Like when I

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used to work down in like Philadelphia and stuff,

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your voltage in summertime could be like 183.

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You know, so the voltage goes down really, really

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nasty. But anyway, I worked my way up, did some

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industrial stuff. My mother had passed away when

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I was in Pennsylvania, which, you know, I didn't

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want to live there anymore. So I moved up to

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Connecticut and did commercial up there for about

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five years. And then I realized how much I hated

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snow. Mean, so it's it's so like this is the

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thing like a group in Pennsylvania right and

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like snow stuck around till like February in

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Connecticut it sticks around till April like

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it's just it's just miserable I found out a really

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important lesson my first year there Like you

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have to snow blow on four feet of your driveway

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like on the grass because typically by about

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January There's nowhere to go with it anymore

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because you'll get 36 inches at a shot You know,

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I walked out one morning, I stuck my level in

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there, I was 32 inches tall, where the snow over

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the overnight. So I moved where there was no

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snow or if there is snow, it's gone by noon.

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So I moved down to Texas. I've been down here

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for 11 years now, about. I started with CoolSys.

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I started just a regular service technician,

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moved my way up to, you know, service supervisor,

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ended up doing, you know, teaching people how

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to like resolve issues rather than just band

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-aids. And I did that for a branch. We grew the

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branch from 14 people. We had 53 sites and we

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were working 85, 120 hours a week. And I'm lazy.

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Like, like, like not to the point where I'm just

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like, oh, I'm not doing this job, but I rather

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work smarter, not harder. Right. So I taught

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the guys on how I was diagnosing stuff. They

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were bringing my balls because it was the same

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issue. And they, then they realized that the

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compressors were lasting longer. The stores were

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running smoother and they're like, well, we want

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to learn. So anyway, so we ended up doing that.

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Within two years, we got the branch up to 53

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technicians, 193 sites at least, and we were

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only working 65 -85 hours a week. So what I do

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works. That's better. That's a hell of a lot

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better. Well, commercial refrigeration is as

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nasty as it is, you know, as far as hours. So

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then since I did that with the branch, they were

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like, you know, the boss would complain about

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the other regions. I'm like, why don't I do the

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same thing? But I'll do it like every other week.

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I'll travel so then I started going to Oklahoma

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San Antonio Corpus Christi Rio Grande Valley

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You know all over all over the region so I did

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that and then It was it became really repetitious

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and then I quit but they didn't let me quit They

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they were like they were freaked out that of

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the fact I was quitting and then they brought

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me into a meeting They're like, what do you what

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are you doing? I was like, well, I'm bored Well,

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why didn't you come to me? I was like, what was

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I supposed to say? I'm bored. I need cooler stuff

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to do So basically then I became what I was doing

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there, but I did it on a national scale So I'd

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fly out to Georgia fly out to wherever and you

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know Fix other things and then educate the people

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because we'd engineer this awesome stuff But

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like maybe the support in that region didn't

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know what was going on with that support that

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stuff So I go out there teach him how to work

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on well fix it for fix it first So I get my nugget

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around it and then teach them how to work on

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it And then one day after COVID, they're like,

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you're in charge of training. I'm like, OK. So

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I've got a team of subject matter experts. I

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got an instructional designer to do stuff in

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some of the Canvas stuff. And after that, I kind

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of had my fill of that. And I was like, you know

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what? I think it's time for me to go independent,

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because by doing what I do on the podcast, I

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can I can hit a lot of different people. Like,

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it doesn't matter what color shirt you have on,

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you know, what color hat you have on. It doesn't

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matter. I can hit a broader scope of people.

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Do you enjoy the teaching or you like getting

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your hands out there fixing stuff? Well, so both.

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So usually what I'll do is I do two different

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things depending on what the need is. Like, I

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also do commissioning. I also do startup, but...

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Like for teaching wise what I'll do is we do

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two days of theory on the one thing and then

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we do two days FAFO. Like basically take the

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theory that we just did and then basically put

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the rubber to the road on the equipment that

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I actually taught on because like I don't do

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a broad training like I pull the programs back,

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I go get all the electrical diagrams, I look

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at the manufacturers of parts they have in there,

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and that's what you get taught. You learn everything

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about that damn piece of equipment. So it's not

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like you're randomly like just learning, oh,

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this is a booster rack, and you're just talking

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about random shit about it. You're learning the

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nuts and bolts, you're learning the program,

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you're learning everything about it. And then

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two days we... screw around with it. So like,

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okay, let's do a PM. Let's change some filter

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dryers. I never pumped down a CO2 rack before.

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All right, let's do it. Because then I'm there,

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you know, we got 13, you know, eight, 13 technicians,

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whatever. If it breaks, we got enough bodies

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here, we can fix it quickly, you know. And then

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the other thing that I've been doing is with

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the greener guys. I'm actually going to Colorado

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this week to do this, where I take eight guys

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in a mechanical room, usually have a lead with

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me. I teach them the way that I diagnose, because

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it's proven to work, right? and then basically

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just build off of that. And so the first day

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I get there, Monday, I'm just doing a meet and

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greet with the managers and see what we're gonna

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do and what technicians, what store, print out

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all the material that I want. And then basically

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we go to the store on the first day, the rack

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room is loud as hell because things are short

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cycling, things aren't working right, whatever.

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And then I just teach them the way that I...

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you know, that I diagnose things and tune things

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out. So literally, usually by Friday, it's great

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because the room is actually quieted down because,

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like, from yelling over the mechanical room,

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I sound like that lady from the casino that just,

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oh, I'm gonna need one more Marlboro and one

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more nickel slot and I'm gonna win. That's what

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I sound like at the end of the freaking week.

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But those are the two different things that I

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do as far as training wise. Like I said, refrigeration

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mechanics are falling on the sky and most schools

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out there don't cover commercial refrigeration.

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They cover HVAC. They cover residential HVAC.

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So all the rest of the stuff, commercial HVAC

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and all this other stuff, they don't really teach.

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You know what I mean? Unless you go to a specific

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school. That's like a two or three year program.

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So I basically I take because like, here's the

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problem. You'll have a guy from ice machines,

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a guy that's done residential HVAC. You'll have

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a guy that's done commercial HVAC. You'll have

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a guy that's worked on self contains. Well, here's

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the problem. They all diagnose everything the

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same or I'm sorry, differently. So what I do

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is, I give them a direct methodology on how I

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do things, so then everyone's diagnosing the

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same. So it doesn't matter if Jimmy calls Billy,

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which is called Mike, which is called Mark, it

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doesn't matter. Everyone's diagnosed the same

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thing, so everyone's learning the same damn way.

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I also enforce this with having a team lead on

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site. The reason why, like a manager, because

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you know, one that actually manages their group

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of guys, because I can teach all these guys how

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to do how I'm teaching, but the manager might

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not be privy to how I'm doing things. So he has

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to be there as well. So one, so he knows how

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I'm diagnosing things, but also two, then what

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I can do is then break off the guys in groups.

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These cases need... like first thing we do is

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typically go to the rack and tune out the rack.

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Make sure the rack is full charge. Pressures

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are good. Temperatures are good. You know, we're

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not flooding back. We got good oil. Great. We

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got enough refrigerant. It's subcooled. Whatever.

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Then we go to the cases. Okay. These cases are

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five degrees of difference. Refrigeration racks

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like in... Supermarkets. Supermarkets. Yeah.

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Okay. That's what all my toys are behind me.

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Those are all supermarket rack controllers. I've

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only seen a few of them or most of those that

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I have seen have been in videos. I don't work

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on big refrigeration racks. Yeah, yeah. But yeah,

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so like I said, so then the other thing is like

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because electrical is one of those hard things

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for technicians to do and learn. I usually break...

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I did say electrical, right? I didn't ADHD there.

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Okay, good. You looked at me like, I thought

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I was like, did I say refrigeration? Well, because

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electrical to me is the easy part. So 208 controls

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can be a bear, right? because you know people

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people will check stuff to ground and like no

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that's not right um so and the schematics can

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be kind of you know cantankerous right so anyway

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so i'll spend three hours with a group of two

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guys basically working on electrical where we'll

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follow through everything the sequence of operation

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then i'll be like you leave And then I'll screw

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something up. I'll move a wire over on a staycon

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that doesn't exist, you know, something, you

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know, because like the first thing people usually

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do is they're like, I'm just going to hit reset.

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So it's just because something will turn back

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on. But then, you know, but then they'll see

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they're like, oh, well, I got electric going

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through the wire, but it's not going anywhere

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else. So like when you pull wires off and like

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move it somewhere, like if you have a spade connector

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right here and usually the spade goes around

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top, I'll just move it over. So it looks like

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it's on the spade, but it's not. But then they're

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forced to use their meter and follow, you know,

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follow, I teach them hopscotch, right? So if

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you start from L1 over to L2, you'll get 208.

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And then when you lose the 208, you're like,

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oh, there it is. Because basically remember,

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a meter measures the difference in potential,

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right? So if you measure nothing, then you're

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on the same damn wire. Yeah, exactly. You know,

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I always tell people before they change a motor,

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always make sure... It's getting voltage. Make

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sure it's getting the voltage that you want it

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to get. It gets funky now though with with with

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inverters and stuff. So like like freak drives

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first time I ever hooked a meter up to a you

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know the output of a frequency drive. I'm like

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wait a minute this thing's supposed to be getting

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460 and I'm only getting 230. And it's because

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the frequency, the voltage actually changes with

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the frequency. Yeah, and a lot of that stuff's

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proprietary and they don't want you to know exactly

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what they're putting out. So it's hard to tell

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if it's doing the right thing or not. Well, so

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on our frequency drives, it's not proprietary.

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Like it's linear. Like, so if you're running

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30 Hertz, because you know, most shit that we

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deal with in the US is 60 Hertz, right? Unless

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we overdrive it. So 60 Hertz, if the motor is

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460 and it's out, it should be outputting 460.

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If it's running 30 Hertz or 50%, then it should

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be running. 230 volts. So it's linear. The problem

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is with your shit, you don't know the signal

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that you're giving it, right? Because the board

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apparently does it. That's the logic they don't

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freaking tell you because they're all about,

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oh, it's about mass flow. I'm giving it a zero

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to ten signal, brother. So at five volts, it

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should be running 50 % or 30 Hertz. Well, that

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makes sense. You know, some of the newer stuff

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coming out is allowing us to use a 24 volt control

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and at least with that, we can tell it's getting

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a call. Yeah. You know what I mean? At least

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we know it's supposed to be running, but with

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some of the communicating stuff, all you can

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tell is that, hey, it's putting out 16 balls

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DC, so it's supposed to be communicating. You

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don't know what it's telling and it's real frustrating

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trying to diagnose that stuff. That's why I like

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commercial because there's no, there's no way

00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:06.019
friends are buds. You know what I mean? I'm giving

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it because like in order to make a VFD work,

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like our VFD is right. We have to have power.

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We can't have an alarm. We have to have a enable.

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which is usually a closed set of contacts that's

00:16:16.519 --> 00:16:19.259
saying, hey, you're good to run. And then the

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last thing we need is basically a signal. And

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if we have those things, basically it should

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run. Um, I mean, uh, it sounds similar to the,

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um, VFDs on carrier blower motors on some of

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their commercial rooftop units. Yeah. The, like

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the ABBs and stuff. Yeah. That sounds similar

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to what those are like. Yeah. Um, and they fail.

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All the time. Most of them I come across are

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bypassed. Yeah, I think personally, I think it's

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the humidity. I think there's just way too much

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humidity in that damn thing. Where it's just

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it's it, you know, because if you look at every

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VFD, right, there's going to be a. there's going

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to be like what it's allowed, right? Like what

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it's allotted to be as far as the temperature

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and the relative humidity. You know what I mean?

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So a lot of times you'll have ice -ups and then

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the thing will start, you know, blowing water

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towards the drive because I know where they're

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talking about. You know, it's usually mounted

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fairly, you know, chemical, you know, fairly

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close to the coil and where the blower motor

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is. I'm like, why? You know, they don't want

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to mount it on the outskirts. It's in the compartment

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with the blower motor. 100 % the only bitch of

00:17:27.109 --> 00:17:28.910
the only bitches about our drives. There's like

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there could be potential like 200 different parameters

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like there's only like honestly like 20 that

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really matter but like you could change something

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else like I've had people fiddle screw around

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with with a drive and all of a sudden I can't

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get it to work even though I have all the parameters

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set and then sure as shit like the guy from the

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factory is like reset it just reset it to factory

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or the other option is with a lot of our drives

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you know you can you can like on that ABB when

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you're talking about you can actually take the

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program that you that you put in the drive you

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know transfer it to the fascia right and what's

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nice with a rooftop unit you might have five,

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five ton rooftop units. So if you have one that,

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you know, shits the bed, you could basically

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take, take the program from that, put it to the

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face. You take the face off, go over the other

00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:16.460
rooftop unit that you're putting in the new drive

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in and throw the parameters in. I didn't know

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that. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know the facial was

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removable. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Cause usually,

00:18:26.019 --> 00:18:28.039
usually it's sometimes they have it like a little

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remote and it's actually just a on the ABVs.

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I think it's an ethernet, ethernet cord. that

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you can extend it out. So you don't have to be

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up in the drive. You could actually, if it's

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the one that I'm thinking of because I used to

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work in a lot of carriers, you can actually put

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an ethernet cable and I'm one of those, you know,

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on a lot of the rooftop units they have like

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a plastic pop out so you can put your gauges

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and shit through. You can do the same thing with

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that thing. So like then you could sit outside

00:18:50.890 --> 00:18:52.569
the drive and fuck with the programming instead

00:18:52.569 --> 00:18:54.650
of being right in there, you know, messing with

00:18:54.650 --> 00:18:59.309
the drive right in front of it. Yeah. Well, let

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me ask you one thing. You told us how you got

00:19:02.730 --> 00:19:04.730
into the trades and your path of getting into

00:19:04.730 --> 00:19:10.309
it. Yeah. I feel like many times I would like

00:19:10.309 --> 00:19:12.970
to be able to tell high school graduates that

00:19:12.970 --> 00:19:16.589
college may not be the right choice for a lot

00:19:16.589 --> 00:19:21.210
of them. So I'll ask you if you could give advice

00:19:21.210 --> 00:19:24.170
to that group of people and maybe people looking

00:19:24.170 --> 00:19:26.849
to get into the trades, what's the best way to

00:19:26.849 --> 00:19:33.359
do it? So, you know, there are some companies

00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:35.900
now that are doing their own programs, right?

00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:38.819
You know, some commercial, you know, some commercial

00:19:38.819 --> 00:19:40.779
places are doing their own programs as far as

00:19:40.779 --> 00:19:43.700
getting into the trade, you know, which is better

00:19:43.700 --> 00:19:46.059
for them. It's better for you too if you're working

00:19:46.059 --> 00:19:48.980
on that type of equipment. There are some trade

00:19:48.980 --> 00:19:52.460
schools out there. Be mindful and do your research.

00:19:53.460 --> 00:19:55.559
There are some schools out there that are just,

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I just care about numbers. As you keep, you know,

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I just, I want, I want to get, I need, I need

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a quota of 30 technicians going through here.

00:20:02.309 --> 00:20:04.369
And like, you know, contractors are left holding

00:20:04.369 --> 00:20:06.009
the bag because they taught you how to put on

00:20:06.009 --> 00:20:07.250
a set of gauges and told you you're going to

00:20:07.250 --> 00:20:09.809
make 40 bucks an hour. Um, you know, unions,

00:20:10.029 --> 00:20:13.519
unions are a good way to go too. Um, You know

00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:17.359
the days of the days of you having a like a guy

00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:19.859
like you right you know having an apprentice

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for you know for you know six months to a year

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those days are way over everything's all about

00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:28.059
profit you gotta pay pay you know pay your stuff

00:20:28.059 --> 00:20:31.619
so it's it's it's hard to get that kind of education

00:20:31.619 --> 00:20:34.259
anymore and I think the more I teach the more

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and more I teach I come to the realization that

00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:40.720
it's not it's not so much the the book stuff

00:20:41.980 --> 00:20:44.599
That's that that people are missing. It's the

00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:46.240
you know, some people call it tribal knowledge

00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:48.180
Some people call it street knowledge the stuff

00:20:48.180 --> 00:20:50.380
that you know You know people like you and I

00:20:50.380 --> 00:20:53.279
have worked our way up and learn this shit either

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from another person or learn from experiences,

00:20:55.480 --> 00:21:00.599
right? You know you working with someone You

00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:02.380
know for me first off find a place that you can

00:21:02.380 --> 00:21:05.119
get educated a little bit too is do your own

00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:08.619
damn research As far as like I read all the time

00:21:09.020 --> 00:21:11.680
the time. And I'm dyslexic as hell. So like sometimes

00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:13.880
if I read a book on one subject, it doesn't make

00:21:13.880 --> 00:21:15.640
any sense, then I'm like, oh, I'm gonna read

00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:17.519
this book and it's about the same subject, but

00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:18.680
it's just worded just a little bit different.

00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:20.420
I'm like, oh, I get it now and that means I got

00:21:20.420 --> 00:21:23.859
how another one was. But if you can, if you do

00:21:23.859 --> 00:21:27.220
finally get in somewhere, make sure that you

00:21:27.220 --> 00:21:30.339
get someone, you know, someone that you're working

00:21:30.339 --> 00:21:34.940
with. Ask questions. Ask questions. Don't be

00:21:34.940 --> 00:21:36.759
afraid to ask, you know, I'm gonna ask a stupid

00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:38.900
question. The question that you add that you

00:21:38.900 --> 00:21:42.779
don't ask is the stupid one. You know, one of

00:21:42.779 --> 00:21:44.599
the places I worked at, they just didn't have

00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:47.779
a really good culture of the guys getting along

00:21:47.779 --> 00:21:51.180
with each other. It was more like we were pitted

00:21:51.180 --> 00:21:54.220
against each other competing with each other.

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So nobody wanted to ask anybody for help. I eventually,

00:22:02.700 --> 00:22:05.740
I mean, that was really like my second job as

00:22:05.740 --> 00:22:07.819
a technician and I got to the point where I was

00:22:07.819 --> 00:22:10.480
competent and people were friendly with me. So

00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:18.200
they would call me for help. And I enjoyed helping

00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:20.279
other people and some of those guys I still have

00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:22.380
a good relationship with. I became friends with

00:22:22.380 --> 00:22:27.519
them, but not all workplaces kind of encourage

00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:29.619
that environment where you can ask for help.

00:22:31.180 --> 00:22:33.660
So so one of the things is like when I when I

00:22:33.660 --> 00:22:35.900
was at when I was at the Dallas branch like you

00:22:35.900 --> 00:22:37.799
know I ended up being a leader and like you show

00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:40.019
being a leader by You know pick up that phone

00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:41.799
Like pick up the phone. I don't know how many

00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:43.539
times I scared the shit out of poor guy, like,

00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:45.000
cause he wasn't expecting me to show up. I'm

00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:47.259
like, I'm my wife's already mad at me. I'm already

00:22:47.259 --> 00:22:48.740
late. You know, I'm already late going home.

00:22:48.859 --> 00:22:50.960
It's 10, 11 o 'clock. And I was like, you know,

00:22:51.019 --> 00:22:52.759
Hey, this guy's done like a five time call back.

00:22:52.779 --> 00:22:54.579
Let me just show up. And I freaking pop up in

00:22:54.579 --> 00:22:55.980
the motor room. Like, what are you doing here?

00:22:55.980 --> 00:22:57.420
I was like, man, just checking to make sure you're

00:22:57.420 --> 00:22:59.119
all right. You know what I mean? It's, it's all

00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:00.599
about building the culture from the upward, you

00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:02.900
know, from the upward down. Um, a lot of times

00:23:02.900 --> 00:23:04.619
people were like, man, that guy has, has been

00:23:04.619 --> 00:23:07.940
doing this shit 20, 30 years and he still works

00:23:07.940 --> 00:23:11.289
as hard as I do. And like, He's willing to help

00:23:11.289 --> 00:23:13.869
me and a lot of time like that breeds man Like

00:23:13.869 --> 00:23:16.390
you see you get you get a couple guys like that

00:23:16.390 --> 00:23:18.109
like, you know The the guys that you're bringing

00:23:18.109 --> 00:23:20.869
up and those guys have that same like, you know,

00:23:20.890 --> 00:23:24.130
one guy called me He's like, how do you? How

00:23:24.130 --> 00:23:26.650
do you get people like interested in being it's

00:23:26.650 --> 00:23:29.630
like and and I'm like, it's just you it's it's

00:23:29.630 --> 00:23:32.150
you just you know showing that you're gonna pull

00:23:32.150 --> 00:23:34.430
You know, you're putting your weight in as far

00:23:34.430 --> 00:23:37.170
as like, you know helping out everyone And it's

00:23:37.170 --> 00:23:39.710
usually like, it's contagious. Like, you know,

00:23:39.710 --> 00:23:41.829
you get a good culture going and you'll get a

00:23:41.829 --> 00:23:46.069
good company going. Yeah. Well, my problem when

00:23:46.069 --> 00:23:49.769
I was trying to grow my business, I had trouble

00:23:49.769 --> 00:23:54.009
just attracting good people and keeping them.

00:23:54.069 --> 00:23:56.829
There were a couple of good people that, I mean,

00:23:56.990 --> 00:24:00.869
I'm competing with big companies that have 401ks

00:24:00.869 --> 00:24:05.039
and retirement plans and healthcare and... That's

00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:08.559
hard to compete with. So I felt like all the

00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:13.259
really good ones were taken and I'm left with

00:24:13.259 --> 00:24:18.220
the bottom half of the labor pool. So it was,

00:24:18.220 --> 00:24:20.319
it was difficult. It was difficult. Let's put

00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:22.380
it that way. This is when you started your own

00:24:22.380 --> 00:24:27.099
business or when you were working? When I was

00:24:27.099 --> 00:24:29.380
trying to grow the current business I have, I

00:24:29.380 --> 00:24:35.579
got up five employees. Two technicians and an

00:24:35.579 --> 00:24:37.740
installer. There was always a technician with

00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:39.559
the installer when they would go out and do a

00:24:39.559 --> 00:24:43.140
job He was basically like a metal man and somebody

00:24:43.140 --> 00:24:46.279
answering the phone So I was trying to grow it.

00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:50.039
I was trying to do the right thing. But um It's

00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:53.019
just hard to get those good people who you can

00:24:53.019 --> 00:24:56.440
trust and you know Build your company around

00:24:56.440 --> 00:24:59.539
the right people. It's hard. It's hard to do

00:24:59.539 --> 00:25:05.839
that. It really is No, I agree. I agree. It's

00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:09.259
you know, but like I said, it's trying to build

00:25:09.259 --> 00:25:11.759
that culture up, you know what I mean? So like

00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:13.980
if you take, you know, take guys that don't,

00:25:13.980 --> 00:25:16.140
you know, that don't know anything, you know,

00:25:16.220 --> 00:25:17.779
you invest in them and you know, they're like,

00:25:17.859 --> 00:25:20.279
wow, this guy's willing to give me a shot, you

00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:22.259
know, and investing that time into that person.

00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:24.460
A lot of times it just, like I said, it breeds,

00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:26.220
it breeds, you know, good culture throughout

00:25:26.220 --> 00:25:32.240
the company, right? Well, let me ask you about

00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:35.519
your podcast. How is the social media in the

00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:37.799
podcast? How is it affecting how you work? And

00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:43.920
do you use it as part of your work? Not I Sometimes

00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:46.920
like I mean like cuz I honestly like I don't

00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:49.640
it's gonna sound so shitty We never know what

00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:52.500
we're gonna do until about 10 or 15 minutes before

00:25:52.500 --> 00:25:54.880
like we're like, what are we like? Oh, like what

00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:56.740
time you gonna be home? I'll be home for 30.

00:25:57.079 --> 00:25:59.900
What do you want to do? And we'll figure it out

00:25:59.900 --> 00:26:01.960
later. So like I'm talking about your podcast.

00:26:02.059 --> 00:26:03.660
I'm talking about the podcast. They were like,

00:26:03.819 --> 00:26:05.380
I have no idea what the hell we're going to do.

00:26:05.380 --> 00:26:07.660
And then we just riff like we'll rip. So like,

00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:09.480
well, like we'll have the conversation. Like,

00:26:09.539 --> 00:26:11.339
what did you work on this week or what did you

00:26:11.339 --> 00:26:13.160
train? And then Kevin will ask me, what did you

00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:14.680
train on? What did you work on? I was like, wow,

00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:16.859
I was working on this Kaiser Warren FTE, blah,

00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:18.680
blah, blah, blah. And he's like, okay, let's

00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:20.099
do that. You know, and that's what we'll end

00:26:20.099 --> 00:26:23.220
up doing. Like, you know, I, so like a lot of

00:26:23.220 --> 00:26:25.519
times I use the stuff that I do during the week

00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:29.099
into the podcast. Like, you know, it's It's not

00:26:29.099 --> 00:26:32.140
a, you know, it's like we never, and we never

00:26:32.140 --> 00:26:34.579
really like kind of set out to be like, we're

00:26:34.579 --> 00:26:36.359
going to be awesome at commercial refrigeration

00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:38.119
podcasting. You know, like it was just like,

00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:40.799
we were just trying to get people educated. So

00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:43.099
no one died, man. There was so much bad information

00:26:43.099 --> 00:26:46.200
out there. You know what I mean? Um, you know,

00:26:46.259 --> 00:26:49.480
just from the comments on my videos, I know there's

00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:52.200
a lot of bad information out there and I correct

00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.220
some of the people and sometimes some of my viewers

00:26:55.220 --> 00:27:01.309
correct them. But there's a lot of, um, misguided

00:27:01.309 --> 00:27:05.289
comments. Let's put it that way. Yeah. We, we,

00:27:05.349 --> 00:27:07.190
we don't, we never pull vacuums. There's no reason

00:27:07.190 --> 00:27:09.170
to pull vacuums. You can just purge it real good.

00:27:09.410 --> 00:27:11.809
I've seen a YouTube video on that or work fine.

00:27:12.890 --> 00:27:17.690
Oh, you can do it. No, I know. I'm not saying

00:27:17.690 --> 00:27:19.549
it's going to work out great, but you can do

00:27:19.549 --> 00:27:23.380
it. But that's, but that's the kind of stuff

00:27:23.380 --> 00:27:25.559
like people will misconstrue like, you know,

00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:28.559
what people say or like, I mean, I saw some guys

00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:32.700
like, I don't have to pull, I got this Mr. Cool

00:27:32.700 --> 00:27:34.680
system. All I did was have to just open up the

00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:36.920
one valve and just purge it out until I started

00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:38.519
the spritz spritz. And then once I got the spritz

00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:44.000
spritz, then I stopped. I had a comment. Um,

00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:46.400
I had a dryer on the inside of a condenser and

00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:48.480
I changed it and I put the dryer on the outside.

00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:51.700
And one of my comments was. why are you changing

00:27:51.700 --> 00:27:54.200
the dryer? Why don't you just pump it down and

00:27:54.200 --> 00:28:00.240
leave it on the inside? I guess technically if

00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:03.599
you pump it down, it's gonna maybe stay dry,

00:28:04.099 --> 00:28:06.779
but I've been taught anytime you open the system,

00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:11.200
you change the dryer. I feel like that's the

00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:13.869
right thing to do. So that's. Why I'm doing it.

00:28:14.069 --> 00:28:15.970
It depends. Yeah, like it like on the stuff like

00:28:15.970 --> 00:28:18.410
a commercial rooftop. Absolutely, totally, totally,

00:28:18.410 --> 00:28:19.890
totally agree with you. But you're not going

00:28:19.890 --> 00:28:22.730
to change all the filter dryers on a rack every

00:28:22.730 --> 00:28:24.710
single time you open up that system. You know

00:28:24.710 --> 00:28:27.630
what I mean? You have your ball valves and isolation,

00:28:27.829 --> 00:28:29.450
you know, isolation parts of the system. You

00:28:29.450 --> 00:28:31.769
know what I mean? So you can isolate the, you

00:28:31.769 --> 00:28:33.890
know, isolate a part of the system. It's not

00:28:33.890 --> 00:28:36.109
like you're, you know, we're like, you're very

00:28:36.109 --> 00:28:37.869
critical on most of your charges. And when I

00:28:37.869 --> 00:28:39.930
say critical charge, I'm talking like five, 10,

00:28:39.950 --> 00:28:42.619
15 pounds. You know what I mean? Because We'll

00:28:42.619 --> 00:28:45.319
throw 800 pounds and something 1200 pounds of

00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:47.700
one of the racks I worked on the other week had

00:28:47.700 --> 00:28:53.819
4600 pounds of CO2. That's high pressure stuff

00:28:53.819 --> 00:28:56.619
isn't it? Yeah only on the highs only on the

00:28:56.619 --> 00:28:58.819
one section of it literally from the one discharge

00:28:58.819 --> 00:29:01.180
line up to what we call the high pressure valve.

00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:05.359
Operating pressure is usually like 1 ,300. Well,

00:29:05.460 --> 00:29:07.240
when it's hot outside, it can work as high as

00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:11.019
like 1 ,450. The high pressure usually shuts

00:29:11.019 --> 00:29:15.220
off the compressors at 1 ,550 and the relief

00:29:15.220 --> 00:29:18.519
goes off at 1 ,740. At that pressure, are you

00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:22.299
using steel line sets? So there is a stainless

00:29:22.299 --> 00:29:24.599
steel line set or you can use, you know, black

00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:27.660
iron. But also, they have this material. It's

00:29:27.660 --> 00:29:30.839
called XHP. We're not really original in the

00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:32.980
United States. It stands for extreme high pressure.

00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:37.339
On the piping it actually has, unlike on copper

00:29:37.339 --> 00:29:42.380
fittings, you'll see FECU. And FECU is the periodic

00:29:42.380 --> 00:29:44.460
table for iron and copper. So it's actually,

00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:48.460
it's iron smelted copper. It actually has iron

00:29:48.460 --> 00:29:52.799
in it. Huh? to give it strength correct so the

00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.440
working pressure and it's like 1885 so that's

00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:58.220
why you can do the pressure of 1740 or whatever

00:29:58.220 --> 00:30:00.740
for your relief because typically field piping

00:30:00.740 --> 00:30:04.619
has to be you know through is it mz or i don't

00:30:04.619 --> 00:30:06.759
know it's one of those one of those things with

00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:08.380
the international mechanical code where usually

00:30:08.380 --> 00:30:12.299
field piping needs to be 10 rated It needs to

00:30:12.299 --> 00:30:14.740
be able to run 10 % higher than what the working

00:30:14.740 --> 00:30:16.519
pressure is, you know what I mean? So if you

00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:18.599
do a leak check on it, like if you're pressurizing

00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:20.819
the system for the first run and the relief is

00:30:20.819 --> 00:30:23.440
1740, then you better pressure it up to like

00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:25.259
1885, because that would be essentially 10 %

00:30:25.259 --> 00:30:28.599
or whatever on the field piping anyway. But like

00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:32.140
I said, usually that high side, everything else

00:30:32.140 --> 00:30:36.000
on commercial refrigeration for CO2, they're

00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.579
using not L copper is what we're typically used

00:30:38.579 --> 00:30:42.789
to ACRL. We use K copper. A little bit higher

00:30:42.789 --> 00:30:45.670
of a burst rating. Because it's basically anything,

00:30:45.750 --> 00:30:48.049
any from the thing from the liquid side on is

00:30:48.049 --> 00:30:51.750
basically 410A pressures. Well, is it a thicker

00:30:51.750 --> 00:30:54.230
copper? Because most of our copper is just a

00:30:54.230 --> 00:30:57.130
sixteenth of an inch thick. Yeah, a little bit,

00:30:57.130 --> 00:30:59.130
yeah. A little bit thicker. I don't know the

00:30:59.130 --> 00:31:00.950
actual dimensions. I'd be lying to you. I just

00:31:00.950 --> 00:31:05.970
know that there's L, L, well there's M, L, K,

00:31:06.269 --> 00:31:16.690
and then you have this XHP stuff. Will I Don't

00:31:16.690 --> 00:31:19.390
I don't want to get into what you've been working

00:31:19.390 --> 00:31:22.950
on today So we just start what were you working

00:31:22.950 --> 00:31:26.430
on today? I actually I Kind of didn't work. I

00:31:26.430 --> 00:31:28.170
had a lot of doctors appointments got my I got

00:31:28.170 --> 00:31:31.890
I donated some blood today And then that's why

00:31:31.890 --> 00:31:34.990
you were able to join the cast today Well, I

00:31:34.990 --> 00:31:36.930
mean I like I mean I had should I have to do

00:31:36.930 --> 00:31:39.190
but I just I had to I was doing a lot of doctors

00:31:39.190 --> 00:31:41.609
appointments and stuff today And then I bought

00:31:41.609 --> 00:31:43.569
I bought lemons, lemons and pomegranates. And

00:31:43.569 --> 00:31:45.529
I was just actually when you called because like

00:31:45.529 --> 00:31:47.509
you told me six forty five and I was like, oh,

00:31:47.529 --> 00:31:50.170
I got time. It was six thirteen and I was just

00:31:50.170 --> 00:31:53.609
finishing making. But it was I was time time

00:31:53.609 --> 00:31:56.730
change because I'm on Central. You're on Eastern.

00:31:56.890 --> 00:31:58.849
Right. And I was like, when you're like, where

00:31:58.849 --> 00:32:00.869
are you? I'm like, I'm coming. I'm coming. Like

00:32:00.869 --> 00:32:03.049
I just finished cleaning up because I just finished

00:32:03.049 --> 00:32:05.829
the pomegranate juice. Oh, and then I was making...

00:32:05.829 --> 00:32:08.309
I got a touch of the pancreatitis, so I'm nursing

00:32:08.309 --> 00:32:10.789
some chicken broth here. Oh no! Take care of

00:32:10.789 --> 00:32:14.130
that. That's... let go. Yeah, I know. I know.

00:32:14.690 --> 00:32:18.670
My mom died from pancreatic cancer from chronic

00:32:18.670 --> 00:32:22.009
inflammation. Really? Yeah. Yeah, we want to

00:32:22.009 --> 00:32:23.849
stay away from that. So that's what I'm saying.

00:32:24.009 --> 00:32:25.690
So like this week, I'm like, yeah, I'm going

00:32:25.690 --> 00:32:27.769
to hit the chicken broth and the beef broth and

00:32:27.769 --> 00:32:30.390
the veggie broth this week pretty hard. And then

00:32:30.390 --> 00:32:33.210
I'm trying to eat a little bit better. Because

00:32:33.210 --> 00:32:37.329
I was doing good for a while, and then I didn't.

00:32:37.670 --> 00:32:40.150
Then I ballooned up a little bit. When I went

00:32:40.150 --> 00:32:45.109
to AHR last year, I was kind of heavy, a little

00:32:45.109 --> 00:32:47.369
bit heavy. And so I had to buy a bigger suit.

00:32:47.410 --> 00:32:49.849
I had to buy a fat man suit. I tried to put on

00:32:49.849 --> 00:32:51.309
my one from the year before, and I looked like

00:32:51.309 --> 00:32:56.509
Chris Farley. That guy in a little coat. So yeah,

00:32:56.509 --> 00:32:58.230
so then I had to buy a new suit and I was like,

00:32:58.289 --> 00:33:00.470
yep, time for a diet. So I'm currently sitting

00:33:00.470 --> 00:33:03.849
around 240. I was up to like 260. So I look like

00:33:03.849 --> 00:33:06.990
a linebacker. Are you going back this year? I

00:33:06.990 --> 00:33:10.930
have to. Uh, I won best podcast last year. So

00:33:10.930 --> 00:33:12.609
I got to give away the award. Oh, that's right.

00:33:12.650 --> 00:33:15.609
So you got to present. Yeah. Well, has anybody

00:33:15.609 --> 00:33:19.589
reached out to you about presenting? Uh, no,

00:33:19.589 --> 00:33:22.930
actually nobody's reached out to me either. Really?

00:33:24.130 --> 00:33:27.769
I spoke with, um, Rachel, she got ladies of the

00:33:27.769 --> 00:33:31.130
trade. Nobody's talked to her either. Shit. We're

00:33:31.130 --> 00:33:32.589
already in September too. I didn't even think

00:33:32.589 --> 00:33:35.250
about that. I mean, I mean, I'll be an HR, you

00:33:35.250 --> 00:33:37.410
know what I mean? Um, but I don't want to, I

00:33:37.410 --> 00:33:38.849
don't want to be that guy. Cause I mean, like

00:33:38.849 --> 00:33:40.470
it was, it was cool. Cause I was the first guy

00:33:40.470 --> 00:33:43.009
to move to, to get two awards, you know? Cause

00:33:43.009 --> 00:33:45.410
like I, I, dude, I didn't prepare a speech at

00:33:45.410 --> 00:33:47.410
all. Cause I'm like, cause you know, Ben's like,

00:33:47.490 --> 00:33:49.190
I was, I was, you know, when I found out I was

00:33:49.190 --> 00:33:52.660
nominated, um, You know cuz they have you know,

00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:53.759
they call you and be like, well, you're gonna

00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:55.980
be there I'm like, yeah, I'll be there, you know,

00:33:56.099 --> 00:33:58.180
whatever excited to present for for the mentor

00:33:58.180 --> 00:34:01.220
one that I got, you know the year before and

00:34:01.220 --> 00:34:04.380
And so when I found out I was I was you know

00:34:04.380 --> 00:34:07.000
nominated I'm like and Ben's like I was like,

00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:09.320
can I win twice? He's like it's never happened.

00:34:09.460 --> 00:34:11.099
Like he made it seem like it was a just this

00:34:11.099 --> 00:34:14.260
impossible thing. I'm like, I Guess I'm not gonna

00:34:14.260 --> 00:34:16.059
win. I was like, I'm not gonna fucking write

00:34:16.059 --> 00:34:20.880
a speech whatever and then I'm like I'm like,

00:34:21.179 --> 00:34:25.320
uh, I didn't do anything. I didn't really prepare

00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:29.460
anything either. I just said, what was it on

00:34:29.460 --> 00:34:33.719
my mind? Oh, and the first year, the first year,

00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:35.320
like I had everything planned. I'm like, I'm

00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:37.619
like, I'm, I'm, I'm hopefully I'll win this mentor

00:34:37.619 --> 00:34:39.099
of the year thing. I had something written down

00:34:39.099 --> 00:34:41.579
on my, in my tablet. I had some written down

00:34:41.579 --> 00:34:45.539
on my, on my little book. um and I forgot both

00:34:45.539 --> 00:34:47.440
those things when I went running up to the freaking

00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:50.460
table up to the up to the podium so I'm like

00:34:50.460 --> 00:34:53.460
what the fuck did I write down I have no idea

00:34:53.460 --> 00:34:56.840
off the dome it goes dude I'm gonna tell you

00:34:56.840 --> 00:35:00.880
a true story about all right I wasn't really

00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:03.099
I didn't know if I was gonna win or not I don't

00:35:03.099 --> 00:35:05.260
think any of us who were nominated knew who was

00:35:05.260 --> 00:35:11.300
gonna win when I stood up after they called my

00:35:11.300 --> 00:35:14.010
name I felt like there was a breeze in my pants

00:35:14.010 --> 00:35:16.030
and I wanted to look down to make sure my fly

00:35:16.030 --> 00:35:20.309
wasn't unzipped. Did your pants split? But I

00:35:20.309 --> 00:35:22.469
was too embarrassed to look down. So I walked

00:35:22.469 --> 00:35:24.969
all the way up there, not knowing if my fly was

00:35:24.969 --> 00:35:30.070
unzipped. That's what we call Southern air conditioning.

00:35:32.510 --> 00:35:39.400
I did, but luckily it was. No, it was it was

00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:41.260
weird cuz like it was it was the first time I

00:35:41.260 --> 00:35:44.840
got up there like I lost all I Don't know what

00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:46.760
happened. I don't remember everything I said

00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:48.940
I had to go back and like watch what I said.

00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:52.340
I'm like, I Don't remember what I said. It's

00:35:52.340 --> 00:35:54.320
like I mean like the first time you go up there

00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:56.280
like I mean like I listen I've taught in front

00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:59.719
of like like Max I probably ever taught in front

00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:01.360
of is probably like a hundred and hundred twenty

00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:03.119
five people You know what I mean with like big

00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:04.840
like auditorium style where like you're you set

00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:06.380
up for it's like almost like auditorium seating

00:36:06.380 --> 00:36:09.639
or whatever Like even then like you're just you're

00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:11.579
going off the dome of like, you know When you're

00:36:11.579 --> 00:36:13.179
when you're doing a presentation about stuff

00:36:13.179 --> 00:36:15.579
because you've taught it a bunch of times I mean,

00:36:15.659 --> 00:36:17.440
but like I was like, I don't I don't know. I

00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:19.860
don't know what I said I had to go back and I

00:36:19.860 --> 00:36:22.119
was like, you know, am I getting canceled for

00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:26.860
something? I said, I don't know Well, it was

00:36:26.860 --> 00:36:29.320
a fun event, um, most of the people there were

00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:33.079
like, um Instagrammers though and I'm not real

00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:35.800
big on the Instagram. I'm trying. Like if y 'all

00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:39.519
are listening, there's a link to our Instagram

00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:44.039
pages. Scrolling underneath. I'm trying to grow

00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:47.099
the Instagram, but my main platform is YouTube

00:36:47.099 --> 00:36:51.159
always has been. So I felt a little bit out of

00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:53.739
place because most of the people there were Instagram

00:36:53.739 --> 00:36:56.659
influencers. Like I said, everyone's like, well,

00:36:56.719 --> 00:36:58.519
how, you know, how do you grow in your thing?

00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:00.579
How are you growing your, your, your social mediums?

00:37:00.579 --> 00:37:03.070
Like I'm not. Like, I mean, if people want to

00:37:03.070 --> 00:37:04.570
listen, people can listen, you know what I mean?

00:37:04.690 --> 00:37:07.090
Like, I don't, I'm not like, I never have set

00:37:07.090 --> 00:37:08.429
out to be like, yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna

00:37:08.429 --> 00:37:10.789
build this big, you know, brand name and do this

00:37:10.789 --> 00:37:13.130
and do that. I'm just like, I mean, we, we do

00:37:13.130 --> 00:37:15.010
it cause it's, it's, it's a little bit of therapy

00:37:15.010 --> 00:37:17.750
for me. Um, cause we just get to bullshit about

00:37:17.750 --> 00:37:19.469
the problems that we deal with and stuff like

00:37:19.469 --> 00:37:21.469
that. And like, and the other thing is too, man,

00:37:21.590 --> 00:37:23.010
it's cool. Cause like, I get a lot of people

00:37:23.010 --> 00:37:24.929
that are like, man, I, you don't even understand,

00:37:24.929 --> 00:37:27.699
like, how much your podcast actually helps or

00:37:27.699 --> 00:37:29.880
like i've had people from schools be like hey

00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:32.159
do you mind if i if i if i if i use your stuff

00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:36.619
to teach stuff i'm like i don't care that's what

00:37:36.619 --> 00:37:38.480
it's there for you know what i mean like you

00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:40.280
know we we make a little bit of bread off it

00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:42.519
but it's it's enough to keep it rolling and you

00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:44.380
know my time that i put into it you know as far

00:37:44.380 --> 00:37:46.300
as the recordings and the editing and shit like

00:37:46.300 --> 00:37:50.420
that but like like my my my main job is my main

00:37:50.420 --> 00:37:52.260
job you know what i mean like i write curriculum

00:37:52.260 --> 00:37:54.579
for other people and stuff and You know, I, man,

00:37:54.579 --> 00:37:57.599
I got so much stuff going on. Like I, I just,

00:37:57.599 --> 00:37:59.739
man, I should probably invest more time in the

00:37:59.739 --> 00:38:03.679
podcast, but I just don't. Well, I'm going to

00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:07.139
tell you, uh, the YouTube for me got to the point

00:38:07.139 --> 00:38:10.699
where it generates enough of an income for me

00:38:10.699 --> 00:38:15.280
to wake up and focus on it a little bit. Oh,

00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:17.920
really? Okay. You know what I mean? Instead of

00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:21.360
just kind of haphazardly throwing out videos

00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:27.670
when I can. to making a point to edit and produce

00:38:27.670 --> 00:38:31.170
something and try to do a good job of it and

00:38:31.170 --> 00:38:37.510
I don't know, cultivate that because it does,

00:38:37.510 --> 00:38:40.730
it does pay and it does help out. Yeah. I see

00:38:40.730 --> 00:38:42.610
some of the stuff like that that I do, I got

00:38:42.610 --> 00:38:45.329
to be careful with though. Like, like, you know,

00:38:45.590 --> 00:38:48.269
I work, you know, a future green now is an engineering

00:38:48.269 --> 00:38:50.309
firm first and foremost. Right? Like they brought

00:38:50.309 --> 00:38:53.429
me on because You know, I could, you know, help

00:38:53.429 --> 00:38:55.550
build as far as clientele, as far as, you know,

00:38:55.630 --> 00:38:57.289
what I do as far as field services and stuff

00:38:57.289 --> 00:38:59.550
like that. So, like, a lot of the stuff that

00:38:59.550 --> 00:39:02.409
we deal with courtesy, there's a lot of NDAs.

00:39:02.409 --> 00:39:04.489
Like, I can't talk about a lot of the stuff that

00:39:04.489 --> 00:39:09.210
we do. You know, I'd be in violation of breaking

00:39:09.210 --> 00:39:11.389
said NDAs. When I teach, it's a different story

00:39:11.389 --> 00:39:14.510
because all the information for a lot of that

00:39:14.510 --> 00:39:17.500
equipment is out there publicly. Whatever but

00:39:17.500 --> 00:39:19.500
like you know some of the stuff that we've engineered

00:39:19.500 --> 00:39:21.980
and that we've designed man is is like specially

00:39:21.980 --> 00:39:25.260
shit that we you know that that We you know,

00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:27.179
we built we've designed you know what I mean?

00:39:27.179 --> 00:39:29.619
So, you know, we're not a mechanical contractor

00:39:29.619 --> 00:39:32.639
We're an engineering slash commissioning slash

00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:35.320
will figure out something that no one else can

00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:37.519
figure out with your system wrong You know what

00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.460
I mean? Essentially what the company is? That

00:39:40.460 --> 00:39:44.059
reminds me on When I went to I recently went

00:39:44.059 --> 00:39:47.659
to the Milwaukee pipeline event And part of it

00:39:47.659 --> 00:39:52.739
was a tour of some of their facilities and they

00:39:52.739 --> 00:39:55.619
made us sign an NDA before we went in there.

00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:59.159
And I'm thinking, we're going to see some really

00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:05.420
cool shit now. And it wasn't groundbreaking is

00:40:05.420 --> 00:40:09.119
what you would think. They basically told us

00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:12.719
why their batteries and whatnot are better than

00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.159
the others, but they don't want us telling you

00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:20.809
why. Just, I mean, just a little stuff like that.

00:40:22.610 --> 00:40:24.829
Well, everyone, you know, in anything like this,

00:40:25.010 --> 00:40:27.269
like everyone has their own sauce that makes

00:40:27.269 --> 00:40:30.309
their brand or, you know, their devices better

00:40:30.309 --> 00:40:33.550
than everybody else's, right? You know, and they

00:40:33.550 --> 00:40:35.329
don't want that getting out because a lot of

00:40:35.329 --> 00:40:37.170
times it's a marketing thing too. Like I called

00:40:37.170 --> 00:40:39.630
the manufacturer the other day, manufacturer,

00:40:39.670 --> 00:40:41.219
I'm just gonna call him Voldemort. That's what

00:40:41.219 --> 00:40:43.500
I usually jokingly refer to people that I can't

00:40:43.500 --> 00:40:45.260
name the actual manufacturer. I'm like, it's

00:40:45.260 --> 00:40:48.980
Voldemort. He who cannot be named. But anyway,

00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:51.480
so I called them and I was like, I can't find

00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:54.159
any information on your watering system. And

00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:56.119
they're like, yeah, we do that on purpose. I'm

00:40:56.119 --> 00:40:58.480
like, why? It was like, well, cause you called,

00:40:58.699 --> 00:41:01.280
didn't you? I'm like, it worked. It worked. It's

00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:04.579
good marketing. Because there's some, there's

00:41:04.579 --> 00:41:08.239
some, so we use, we use in the hotter climates

00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:11.739
that are less humid, we use what are called adiabatic

00:41:11.739 --> 00:41:14.900
gas coolers for CO2. It's basically a condenser,

00:41:15.300 --> 00:41:18.179
but the only difference is it's, in your, you

00:41:18.179 --> 00:41:19.659
know, something they could put particular to

00:41:19.659 --> 00:41:21.619
you, it's basically a fucking swamp cooler. So

00:41:21.619 --> 00:41:23.940
what we do is we basically put, you know, like

00:41:23.940 --> 00:41:27.239
a humidifier pad, drip the water across the humidifier

00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:29.880
pad, drops a wet bulb and, you know, and it makes

00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:33.219
it cool, humid air, and then you get more efficiency

00:41:33.219 --> 00:41:35.420
out of the condenser, or what we refer to in

00:41:35.420 --> 00:41:38.139
the CO2 world as a gas cooler, and that's what

00:41:38.139 --> 00:41:43.920
we use. Well, some have pumps, some have a pump,

00:41:44.260 --> 00:41:46.860
and they control the flow of the water off of

00:41:46.860 --> 00:41:48.579
the humidity sensor, trying to maintain 100 %

00:41:48.579 --> 00:41:51.739
humidity, and this other brand, Voldemort, basically

00:41:51.739 --> 00:41:55.059
uses a Venturi. So they put X amount of water

00:41:55.059 --> 00:41:58.119
in, you know, to pump it up to, you know, let

00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:00.639
it feed up into these feeders across these humidity

00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:03.840
pads, but any water that's left behind, they

00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:05.579
can't have a pump because a pump is, there's

00:42:05.579 --> 00:42:08.340
a patent on a pump. So basically they take the

00:42:08.340 --> 00:42:10.800
water that's left behind and run it to a side

00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:13.219
port on a venturi. So as you're filling up fresh

00:42:13.219 --> 00:42:15.500
new water, it pulls up the water that's sitting

00:42:15.500 --> 00:42:17.599
in that little bit of a drain up in the side

00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:22.159
of this thing to reuse it. They can't use a pump?

00:42:22.380 --> 00:42:25.480
Yeah, so there's a dumb patent out there. There's

00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:27.360
one manufacturer that uses a research pump. It

00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:30.300
only has a 20 20 gallon sump. So it doesn't use

00:42:30.300 --> 00:42:33.900
a lot of water and they have the patent on the

00:42:33.900 --> 00:42:37.260
technology to use the pump which is asinine to

00:42:37.260 --> 00:42:40.280
me because we've been using pumps for for her

00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:42.880
freaking for cooling towers forever. So I don't

00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:46.219
I've never looked at like I I've I just don't

00:42:46.219 --> 00:42:49.730
want to pay the rights to use their pump. To

00:42:49.730 --> 00:42:52.150
use their their idea of what they have for the

00:42:52.150 --> 00:42:54.769
pump. Yes So like there's three or four different

00:42:54.769 --> 00:42:56.710
manufacturers like we're gonna do it this way

00:42:56.710 --> 00:42:58.010
because then it's not and then we don't have

00:42:58.010 --> 00:43:05.610
to pay for the patent rights You know First time

00:43:05.610 --> 00:43:08.230
I saw a swamp cooler. It was on one of these

00:43:08.230 --> 00:43:12.769
guys that makes videos out with And I just thought

00:43:12.769 --> 00:43:15.510
that was crazy because down here, the relative

00:43:15.510 --> 00:43:18.210
humidity is almost always high. Even in the middle

00:43:18.210 --> 00:43:21.750
of winter, it can be 50%. Can I, can I share?

00:43:21.909 --> 00:43:25.230
Can I share my screen? Yeah. All right. Nothing

00:43:25.230 --> 00:43:32.730
bad. Promise. Let me see if I can... Sharing

00:43:32.730 --> 00:43:36.110
without sharing goods. There we go. So that's,

00:43:36.110 --> 00:43:39.210
that's an adiabatic gas cooler. So essentially

00:43:39.210 --> 00:43:42.000
what happens is... The water gets dripped across

00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:45.099
these pads, right up top here, like through either

00:43:45.099 --> 00:43:48.579
a trough or a piece of PVC. The water drips down

00:43:48.579 --> 00:43:51.059
along these pads, saturates the pads, and then

00:43:51.059 --> 00:43:53.659
basically right here you can see... where the

00:43:53.659 --> 00:43:56.300
actual coil is. You know what I mean? Where the

00:43:56.300 --> 00:43:58.599
actual, what would be a normal condenser would

00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:01.239
be. And so all you're doing is basically taking

00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:03.659
water, dripping across these pads, making these

00:44:03.659 --> 00:44:05.719
pads saturated and basically, you know, causing

00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:09.860
the wet bulb temperature to get, you know, low.

00:44:10.099 --> 00:44:12.219
So you're getting cool, humid air going across

00:44:12.219 --> 00:44:13.900
there. So you get a little bit more efficiency.

00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.239
So instead of having like, you know, typical

00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:21.000
condensers have like a five degree TD. So what

00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:23.260
does that mean? Five degree TD basically means

00:44:23.260 --> 00:44:28.119
if the ambient is 90 degrees outside, I will

00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:30.179
maintain a saturated condensing temperature of

00:44:30.179 --> 00:44:34.400
95. So is this a condenser or is it like a chiller

00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:40.539
coal? It is... so in CO2 we... it's essentially

00:44:40.539 --> 00:44:43.039
the equivalent to a condenser, right? The problem

00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:47.639
is CO2 has a very low critical point, okay? The

00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:50.719
critical point of CO2 is 87 degrees saturated.

00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:53.619
It's like 88 degrees saturated. So if it's 82

00:44:53.619 --> 00:44:56.280
degrees outside and we're using that adiabatic

00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:58.539
thing, then we're running what's called transcritical.

00:44:58.780 --> 00:45:02.280
You cannot condense the refrigerant back into

00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:06.539
a liquid state. So you can do the same thing

00:45:06.539 --> 00:45:09.639
with R22. R22 has a critical point, but it's

00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:13.920
205 degrees saturated, which is like 741 psi.

00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:20.000
R404 has a critical point of 205 degrees or no,

00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:24.840
I'm sorry, 165 degrees saturation, which is like

00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:29.340
541 pounds. So if you got if you ran R22 or 404

00:45:29.340 --> 00:45:33.219
in those pressures, the fucking the condenser

00:45:33.219 --> 00:45:35.670
couldn't condenser. Like it wouldn't be a condenser

00:45:35.670 --> 00:45:38.309
anymore. It would just cool the gas. So with

00:45:38.309 --> 00:45:40.929
CO2, that's what makes CO2 awesome for heat reclaim.

00:45:41.070 --> 00:45:44.309
Because typically like... So you know what heat

00:45:44.309 --> 00:45:45.670
reclaim is, right? Where you take a little bit

00:45:45.670 --> 00:45:47.929
of the vapor off the discharge line and basically

00:45:47.929 --> 00:45:50.750
run it through a coil to reheat a store, right?

00:45:50.750 --> 00:45:54.550
To keep the air conditioning running. With CO2,

00:45:54.590 --> 00:45:57.070
you can actually get a hundred percent total

00:45:57.070 --> 00:46:01.019
heat reclaim. So you can... All the heat that

00:46:01.019 --> 00:46:03.460
you're putting into it it makes it amazing for

00:46:03.460 --> 00:46:05.840
chillers Because you're basically using electrical

00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.480
energy to chill down to chill down the whatever

00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:12.039
process you're doing, you know beer Wineries

00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:14.219
whatever but then all the heat that you're generating

00:46:14.219 --> 00:46:17.679
that goes to the gas cooler You can use that

00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:20.380
for reheat There's some places that have lowered

00:46:20.380 --> 00:46:24.460
their LP consumption by 91 liters of LP a day

00:46:24.460 --> 00:46:26.260
Because of all the heat that you're generating

00:46:26.260 --> 00:46:32.099
off that shit We're like with a normal HFC. You

00:46:32.099 --> 00:46:34.699
can only use about 20 % of the total heat rejection

00:46:34.699 --> 00:46:37.340
because here's a problem Once you once you remove

00:46:37.340 --> 00:46:39.980
the sensible heat now, you're fucking condensing,

00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:42.820
right? Now you're basically condensing the refrigerator

00:46:42.820 --> 00:46:47.579
into Into into a liquid right? Right co2 if I

00:46:47.579 --> 00:46:50.119
keep it above the critical point I can't condense

00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:53.340
which means all that heat that I'm using is basically

00:46:53.340 --> 00:47:00.090
to all the total heat rejection So It almost

00:47:00.090 --> 00:47:09.010
sounds like like you're adding a different heat

00:47:09.010 --> 00:47:12.309
reclaim is like a separate condenser where you

00:47:12.309 --> 00:47:14.429
actually lower the temperature even more and

00:47:14.429 --> 00:47:16.289
then bring it back and try to condense it. Is

00:47:16.289 --> 00:47:18.110
that what you're doing? No, no, we use we use

00:47:18.110 --> 00:47:19.630
heat reclaim for a bunch of different processes,

00:47:19.769 --> 00:47:23.150
right? So we use the discharge gas of the CO2

00:47:23.150 --> 00:47:31.800
to either heat up water or heat up space. Okay,

00:47:32.179 --> 00:47:34.420
so like you eventually got to get it down to

00:47:34.420 --> 00:47:37.000
a liquid, right? Yeah, so we do that with other

00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:39.380
valves that I haven't talked about. It's a high

00:47:39.380 --> 00:47:41.280
pressure valve because if we drop the pressure

00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:44.159
down to below the critical point, then we can

00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:46.260
reconstitute that refrigerant back into a liquid.

00:47:46.619 --> 00:47:48.380
It's all about the enthalpy. Like if you look

00:47:48.380 --> 00:47:51.000
at a pH diagram, you'll be able to figure it

00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:54.099
out. But like I said, if we get it, you know,

00:47:54.099 --> 00:47:55.860
we'd have to drop the pressure in order to get

00:47:55.860 --> 00:47:59.300
it to convert back into Back into a liquid and

00:47:59.300 --> 00:48:01.119
we do that with there's a high pressure valve

00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:03.940
on the system that we do that with But but that's

00:48:03.940 --> 00:48:06.059
you know, like I said with with HFC is we can

00:48:06.059 --> 00:48:09.619
only get about 20 % Heat reclaim out of like

00:48:09.619 --> 00:48:12.239
the total the total load of the unit where you

00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:14.920
can use the whole condensing load To heat up

00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:17.460
water up to like steam steam temperatures. We've

00:48:17.460 --> 00:48:22.500
heated up water to 240 degrees Fahrenheit And

00:48:22.500 --> 00:48:25.280
this is all in big applications, like at a supermarket

00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:27.059
or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or industrial

00:48:27.059 --> 00:48:29.239
facilities. I mean, shit, do they, they make,

00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:32.039
uh, they make CO2, uh, residential water heaters

00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:38.840
now. Right. Not that I've seen. I, I've, you

00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:41.280
were at it. You were at HR last year. You didn't

00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:44.500
see them all over the place. Damn. There were

00:48:44.500 --> 00:48:48.199
like 2000 exhibitions there. I didn't see them

00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:52.960
all. What were you doing? I was cherry picking

00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:54.840
the ones that I wanted to go see and I would

00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:59.619
go visit them and then try to peruse as I'm walking

00:48:59.619 --> 00:49:02.260
through and see what was there. There's just

00:49:02.260 --> 00:49:06.460
a lot there. And there's, there's even heat pump

00:49:06.460 --> 00:49:09.380
water heaters now. Well, that's what I'm saying.

00:49:09.460 --> 00:49:11.099
That's what, that's what these are. Those are

00:49:11.099 --> 00:49:15.599
CO2. Some of them are. Yeah. And tell me what

00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:18.219
plumber is going to be working on a CO2 heat

00:49:18.219 --> 00:49:21.329
pump. They're not they're just gonna replace

00:49:21.329 --> 00:49:26.289
it I'm not I'm not just saying they're doing

00:49:26.289 --> 00:49:32.170
it. I Mean it's you got to remember to Curtis

00:49:32.170 --> 00:49:34.829
like we have to use we have to use this XHP copper

00:49:34.829 --> 00:49:37.050
because of the Because of the size of the copper

00:49:37.050 --> 00:49:38.989
that we use, right? But you got to remember every

00:49:38.989 --> 00:49:42.050
time you go down a diameter and piping the piping

00:49:42.050 --> 00:49:44.429
stencil strength like strengthens up, right?

00:49:44.969 --> 00:49:47.250
So you could use you know, three -eighths pipe

00:49:47.250 --> 00:49:49.909
on CO2 and even for the high side, probably I'd

00:49:49.909 --> 00:49:52.690
have to look at the... I'd have to look at like

00:49:52.690 --> 00:49:55.250
the chart, but I mean you might not even have

00:49:55.250 --> 00:49:58.530
to use the extreme high pressure piping because

00:49:58.530 --> 00:50:00.929
the three -eighths line, it might... the burst

00:50:00.929 --> 00:50:05.949
rating might be high enough. It's bad enough.

00:50:06.110 --> 00:50:09.650
We got the deal with A2L refrigerants and now

00:50:09.650 --> 00:50:14.329
they're talking about... Not for long. What do

00:50:14.329 --> 00:50:17.300
you say to that? And so like there's this there's

00:50:17.300 --> 00:50:19.519
this there's a vent and I'm definitely going

00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:21.119
to next year hell or high water I'm freaking

00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:22.699
going next year. There's a thing called chill

00:50:22.699 --> 00:50:29.639
Vanta. It's a it's a it's it's like Your it's

00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:32.760
it's in it's in Nuremberg, Germany So I'm definitely

00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:34.139
going next year because that's where my family's

00:50:34.139 --> 00:50:38.380
from. My last name is Wetzel. And so basically

00:50:38.380 --> 00:50:42.340
it's like a big HR, but like all the new technologies,

00:50:42.659 --> 00:50:45.079
all the new technologies usually come out from

00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:50.239
Europe. Chilvanta only happens once every two

00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:52.960
years. So it happened in 2024. I missed it. I

00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:54.699
was pissed. And then I'm going, you know, I'm

00:50:54.699 --> 00:50:58.260
going 2026. But they didn't have any A2Ls there

00:50:58.260 --> 00:51:01.280
because Europe's like, oh, paraben's bad. you

00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:03.860
know, for the forever chemicals because A2Ls

00:51:03.860 --> 00:51:06.239
actually have it. So they're getting... a lot

00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:12.980
of places are getting away from... Dude, there

00:51:12.980 --> 00:51:21.869
was just a thing in ACR news, man. Come on, A2L,

00:51:21.869 --> 00:51:24.269
it's not much different than a, it isn't different.

00:51:24.590 --> 00:51:27.829
No, the thing is with me, they just retrofitted,

00:51:27.969 --> 00:51:29.510
all the prices went up and you're telling me

00:51:29.510 --> 00:51:32.630
it's fixing to happen again? Until they find

00:51:32.630 --> 00:51:37.929
something else. No, that's why Europe's like,

00:51:37.929 --> 00:51:40.250
fuck it, we're going propane, we're going, uh,

00:51:40.269 --> 00:51:42.809
ammonia and we're going. I heard that they're

00:51:42.809 --> 00:51:45.489
going to start using propane. Oh dude, I worked,

00:51:45.650 --> 00:51:48.789
um, I worked on a, uh, what is called a monoblock

00:51:48.789 --> 00:51:52.940
system. Basically it has, so here's what's fucked

00:51:52.940 --> 00:51:54.900
up about the laws. So it says you can't have

00:51:54.900 --> 00:51:58.260
more than 150 grams per system, right? So what

00:51:58.260 --> 00:52:01.920
they did was they put four compressors in a system

00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:05.820
that has one evaporator that work in unison that

00:52:05.820 --> 00:52:08.960
hold 150 grams a piece. So you're actually up

00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:15.199
to 600 grams of propane, but it's not. Is it

00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:18.179
one system or is it four tiny systems? It's four

00:52:18.179 --> 00:52:21.820
tiny systems with one common evaporator, so...

00:52:21.820 --> 00:52:24.639
But it's like a walk -in. So like, this is what

00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:26.579
a monoblock is. So basically it's, you know,

00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:28.940
it's one single evaporator for a walk -in freezer,

00:52:29.059 --> 00:52:32.420
walk -in cooler. So the bitch is with A2Ls, right?

00:52:32.460 --> 00:52:34.480
So we're all under... or I'm sorry, not A2Ls,

00:52:34.500 --> 00:52:36.159
but propane. You're under a charge mitigation,

00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:38.840
right? So you can only have this on 150 grams.

00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:42.630
So you can have a coil... That's one ton. That's

00:52:42.630 --> 00:52:44.429
let's just say, I don't know, I'm just gonna

00:52:44.429 --> 00:52:47.309
take guess at shit. Maybe it's fucking 24 inches

00:52:47.309 --> 00:52:50.809
long, right? But I can reduce the size of that

00:52:50.809 --> 00:52:54.010
coil by putting more fins per inch. Normally

00:52:54.010 --> 00:52:58.309
a walk -in cooler usually has about eight or

00:52:58.309 --> 00:53:04.469
six fins per inch. I'm sorry, six or four fins

00:53:04.469 --> 00:53:06.480
per inch. Maybe it is eight. I don't know. I

00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:08.579
forget now. I think it is eight. It's eight and

00:53:08.579 --> 00:53:12.579
six. So you can shorten that coil by putting

00:53:12.579 --> 00:53:15.159
more fins in there. Problem is that if you put

00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:16.960
more fins in there, it's going to collect more

00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:18.980
frost, more moisture. You know what I mean? Ice

00:53:18.980 --> 00:53:21.760
up quicker, right? Right. All right. That's why

00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:24.139
we don't run a freaking air conditioning system

00:53:24.139 --> 00:53:26.880
down below 38 degrees saturated or 36 degrees

00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:28.840
saturated, right? Because then it's going to

00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:31.789
start to freeze up. So because of the charge

00:53:31.789 --> 00:53:33.469
mitigation, they were like, we need to put more

00:53:33.469 --> 00:53:35.269
fins in there because by reducing it, you got

00:53:35.269 --> 00:53:37.670
to remember an evaporator has a bunch of fucking

00:53:37.670 --> 00:53:40.269
liquid in it and a little tiny bit, a little

00:53:40.269 --> 00:53:42.929
tiny bit of vapor. So if we can make the coil

00:53:42.929 --> 00:53:45.489
smaller and put more surface area on it, then

00:53:45.489 --> 00:53:48.170
it reduces our charge mitigation. Problem is

00:53:48.170 --> 00:53:51.070
if it's in a high humidity area, good fucking

00:53:51.070 --> 00:53:52.889
luck. And then you just have to do more defrost.

00:53:54.339 --> 00:53:56.699
So that's one thing that they're having problems

00:53:56.699 --> 00:53:58.400
with. There's like, whoa, it's icing up a bunch.

00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:01.579
Well, we got to keep one of the 150 grams. So

00:54:01.579 --> 00:54:03.579
we got to put more, you know, more fins in there

00:54:03.579 --> 00:54:05.039
to mitigate that. You know what I mean? It's

00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:06.780
not, it's not like a freaking air conditioning

00:54:06.780 --> 00:54:08.460
coil. I mean, I don't even know what the fin

00:54:08.460 --> 00:54:11.079
per inch is like, you know, you have pretty tight.

00:54:11.139 --> 00:54:13.159
It's like, it's, it's probably like, I don't

00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:16.320
know the 12 or 14 fins per inch. Like it's fine.

00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:18.400
It's tight, man. You guys have those, the, the

00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:19.739
fin combs that you guys use to straighten your

00:54:19.739 --> 00:54:22.650
shit out. Yeah they're they're they're pretty

00:54:22.650 --> 00:54:25.989
tight and they get clogged up real easy. And

00:54:25.989 --> 00:54:28.829
so like on walk -in freezers you know they usually

00:54:28.829 --> 00:54:31.909
use um like four fins per inch you know what

00:54:31.909 --> 00:54:34.949
I mean like it's it's you know four or even even

00:54:34.949 --> 00:54:37.880
six. Depends on how much humidity and how much

00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:41.280
you know, how much how much walking in like you

00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:45.679
have these We call them POS POS coolers and freezers

00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:47.280
and doesn't mean piece of shit. It's point -of

00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:49.559
-sale So like you'll have a main walk -in that

00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:51.039
has a whole bunch of doors in it They'll have

00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:52.519
shelves right in the front where they stock the

00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:54.539
product from the walk -in Around these little

00:54:54.539 --> 00:54:55.960
shelves and basically, you know, you can open

00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:57.840
up the door grab your milk grab your ice cream

00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:00.300
whatever but people still leave the door open

00:55:00.300 --> 00:55:02.510
they're like I can't see through the glass so

00:55:02.510 --> 00:55:04.130
I gotta open up the door in order to check out

00:55:04.130 --> 00:55:05.730
what I want. You know and then they have the

00:55:05.730 --> 00:55:07.530
door open real real long and then it sucks in

00:55:07.530 --> 00:55:09.570
a whole bunch of humidity. You know something,

00:55:09.710 --> 00:55:12.730
one of my first introductions to a real big walk

00:55:12.730 --> 00:55:16.150
-in freezer, we let the door open because we

00:55:16.150 --> 00:55:20.250
were stocking it and it started snowing in there.

00:55:20.469 --> 00:55:25.630
Yeah. I couldn't believe it. I guess just bringing

00:55:25.630 --> 00:55:28.590
in all that humidity and it just started freezing

00:55:28.590 --> 00:55:31.130
and it started snowing. I had never seen that

00:55:31.130 --> 00:55:34.670
in a walk -in freezer before. If it's a high,

00:55:35.150 --> 00:55:38.030
yeah, yeah, if it's super, super, super high,

00:55:38.090 --> 00:55:41.730
yeah, you'll have that. So when I worked on air

00:55:41.730 --> 00:55:43.289
compressors for a little itty -bitty bit, because

00:55:43.289 --> 00:55:44.969
they needed someone that worked on refrigeration

00:55:44.969 --> 00:55:49.030
for their air dryers. So they use pneumatics

00:55:49.030 --> 00:55:53.449
a lot of times like in... walk -ins, you know,

00:55:53.590 --> 00:55:56.429
big, big packing places that have a lot of refrigeration

00:55:56.429 --> 00:55:58.349
going through. And so, they run the doors off

00:55:58.349 --> 00:56:01.309
in pneumatics. So, you have to keep the air dry

00:56:01.309 --> 00:56:04.409
in order to use it. Otherwise, it's water, moisture

00:56:04.409 --> 00:56:07.650
will freeze out and you know, fall out. And I

00:56:07.650 --> 00:56:08.929
used to... when I worked on air compressors,

00:56:09.090 --> 00:56:10.289
they had... they were using these things called

00:56:10.289 --> 00:56:13.170
syntax. They're centrifugal air compressors and

00:56:13.170 --> 00:56:16.369
they use them to freaking make snow on the mountain

00:56:16.369 --> 00:56:19.639
that I grew up near. Really? Yeah, they just...

00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:24.079
it's... they use copious amounts of water and

00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:26.719
then air and then it basically fucking creates

00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:28.780
snow. That's how... that's how they make snow.

00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:34.480
That's cool. Well, Brett, I think I'm gonna go

00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:40.340
ahead and call it. Alright. I still have to get

00:56:40.340 --> 00:56:42.900
in the shower before I go to bed. Alright. Well

00:56:42.900 --> 00:56:45.699
man, I appreciate you having me on. I'm sorry.

00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:48.019
Like I said, you got to be more specific because

00:56:48.019 --> 00:56:50.179
you're like, oh yeah, 6 45 central time. And

00:56:50.179 --> 00:56:52.139
then I was looking, it was like at six 13. And

00:56:52.139 --> 00:56:54.059
then I saw your text me and like, where are you?

00:56:54.099 --> 00:56:58.099
I'm like, but you, but you said six 45 my time.

00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:01.360
Hey, well, I hope you'll come back on. Oh, for

00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:02.900
sure. Of course. I appreciate you having me on,

00:57:02.980 --> 00:57:07.059
man. Thank you so much. No problem. And y 'all,

00:57:07.139 --> 00:57:10.280
um, stay tuned for the next episode. Thank you

00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:12.159
for coming on Brett stick around.