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Hey friends, welcome back to the semi -seminary

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and another week, another episode of our Bible

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study series, which we're calling the Bible for

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Grownups. Remember, of course, the big premise

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of this Bible study is the assumption that we

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as Christian believers, no fault of our own,

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we were either taught the Bible as children or

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we were exposed to baby Christianity later in

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life and we were taught the Bible by people who

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taught the Bible as children. Sometimes that

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childish understanding of Scripture leaves us

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with not the right answers for the questions

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of an adult world. So we're trying to look at

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the Bible and examine the Scripture in a new

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way in which we might have adult answers for

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an adult world. We continue in tonight's part

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two of our extensive look at the book of Job.

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Tonight we're going to see... Job having a conversation

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with what appears to be at first very good friends,

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but maybe good friends with bad advice. This

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is kind of one of those situations when you look

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at Job and you think, you know, with friends

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like these, I don't think Job needs enemies.

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See what you think. I'll see you on the other

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side. Again, this is part two of this series

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on Job. If you want to go back, I just mentioned

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these are podcasts. If you want to Google or

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search for the podcast, The Semi -Seminarian,

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that's where you'll find these. If you want to

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go back and listen to chapter or to part one.

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But just a really quick refresher. What we're

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talking about is this book of Job. And we find

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this character of Job is somebody who has experienced.

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Unfathomable loss. His children have died. All

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of his goats, his donkeys, his cattle, his sheep

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have either been killed or stolen. He is completely

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ruined. Right? Not only has he lost all of his

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children, but he's lost his fortune as well.

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Okay? And this story is a story about suffering.

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And it gets to the heart of a word that's a fancy

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word that describes a neat concept, and that's

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the word theosophy. And theosophy is an argument

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about, a conversation about, there being a just

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God despite the existence of evil in the world.

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that the conversation is an evaluation spiritually

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to ourselves, intellectually to ourselves, that

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given that there is evil in the world, what does

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that say about God's justness? Is God holy and

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fully just the way that we say that He is? Is

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God holy and fully righteous the way that He's

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saved? The way that we say he is. Does God have

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the power? Does God have the ability? Does God

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have the desire to prevent suffering in the world?

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And it's best described by that old question.

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Why do bad things happen to good people? Why

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do bad things... If God is all... God is good

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and God is great and... You know, let's eat with

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extra gravy or whatever, right? If God is so

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awesome, and people who are good people believe

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in God, why do bad things happen? Well, that's

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what Job discusses. That's what we're going to

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work to uncover, okay? And one of the things

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I think this book does, and it does through our

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examination of these three friends. Tonight,

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we're just looking at the first friend, but we

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look at these three friends and how they respond

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to Job's suffering. And what we find within their

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conversations are these assumptions about why

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we suffer. Right? And each time Job is able to

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come back and explain why their reasoning is

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wrong. And so in the end, what the book of Job

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is about when it comes to suffering is not, and

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this is the Bible for grown -ups part here. This

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is the part we have to accept as grown -ups.

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Because this isn't VBS. The book of Job is not

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to just explain away why suffering happens. Because

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if the book just explains away why suffering

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happens, then, well, I don't know, we develop

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these assumptions about the nature of suffering.

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It's really not why suffering happens. What Job

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shows us is knowing that suffering will happen,

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how are we as followers of God to suffer? What

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is our role in our suffering? How can we continue

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to honor God despite our suffering? It's not

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about why suffering happens. It's how we are

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to react as God's children in the midst of suffering.

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Now again, because of the indentions and stuff

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with the poetry, I couldn't print out because

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the notes would have been like three or four

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pages. Of paper. So I couldn't print those out

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tonight. I do have a stack of Bibles over here

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that I'm willing to swear anything on. But you

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can, I know, I don't know where that came from.

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But if you need a Bible, Job is the book just

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before the book of Psalms. So somewhere in the

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middle of the Bible, if you can find Psalms,

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then look on either side, you're going to find

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the book of Job. And what, again, we're doing

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in the study, we're part two of a multi -part

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series. Okay, because we'll probably what we'll

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do is we're going to at least take, well, we're

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going to take the first guy, the first friend

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in his speech to Job tonight. Next week, we're

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going to look at the second guy. Another week,

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we're going to look at the third guy. Now they

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have another round of these speeches. And so

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we will, once we've got a snapshot of each one

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of these characters, then the next time we'll

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take them three at a time. Does that make sense?

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So we're probably looking at this being maybe

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a five or six, Seven or eight part study, and

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that's what we all wanted when we started Job,

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right? Let's really pick it apart and look at

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this thing. So that's what we're doing. So we're

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right at the ground floor, part two. Okay, so

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we're right there. And so, again, again, what's

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happened here is there is this divine council

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in heaven where the heavenly beings are to meet.

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It's very interesting to me just because there's

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not, I don't really understand exactly this idea

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of, I don't know, did God send out a heavenly

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email, you know, a memo to all of the angels

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and was like, hey, you know, November 23rd is

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Founders Day. Everybody show back up, you know,

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for the reunion kind of deal. It's just weird

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to me, but that's how this story opens. And Satan

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is there. And God and Satan have this discussion

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about Job, God's servant. And Satan makes some

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assertions, one of them being, you know, Job

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only really loves you because you've given him

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all this stuff. He says, all right, take it from

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him. And then Satan comes back and says, well,

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yeah, you're taking his stuff, and he's killed

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his kids, by the way. But take away his health.

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And then he'll certainly despise you. And Job

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doesn't do that. And so we find Job racked with

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health problems, destitute. His wife has went

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out in the front yard where he's sitting wearing

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sackcloth like a potato sack, wearing sackcloth

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and dumped ashes over his head. That's what Hebrew

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folks would do to show that they were mourning

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or lamenting. They'd make themselves dirty. They

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would show themselves to be, right? specifically

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unclean, as a lament of what was going on in

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their life, out of their sadness. So he's sitting

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out in the front yard. He's got boils all over

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his body. Some people might think it's elephantitis,

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right? And his wife comes out and says, why don't

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you just curse God, get it over with, and die?

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I mean, seriously. And so Job has these three

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friends come, and for the first week, They don't

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say anything. They just sit in silence with Job.

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And then after a week, one by one, they begin

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to speak to Job. So this is the part of the drama

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where Job's three friends come in. And we're

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going to cover a lot of ground tonight. But let

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me just say that they've made this appointment.

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Job, we're going to come over. And they come

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over to console their friend. And they sit with

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him in these traditional styles of mourning.

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The first character that we're going to look

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at. Tonight is Eliphaz, Eliphaz right here. Okay,

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now I'm just going to start reading with chapter

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4, and I'm going to read for a while, then we'll

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get into the discussion and break some of it

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down, not all of it. And the reason why I want

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to read it in big chunks, remember again, this

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is Hebrew poetry. This is literary design. It's

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not just a first -hand travelogue or a diary

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or something. This is supposed to be experienced

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in an artful way. So I'm going to read these

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large tracts of Scripture as if they're poems,

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because they are. Then Eliphaz the Temanite replied.

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He's the first one who's going to speak to Job.

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He says, if someone ventures a word with you,

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will you be impatient? But who can keep from

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speaking? Think how you've instructed many, how

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you have strengthened feeble hands. Your words

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have supported those who have stumbled. You've

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strengthened faltering knees. But now trouble

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comes to you, Job. And you, Job, are discouraged.

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It strikes you and you're dismayed. Eliphaz asks,

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should not your piety be your confidence? And

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your blameless ways, your hope? Now listen to

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this verse. These next couple of verses, we're

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going to come back to these. Verse 7. Consider

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now, who being innocent has ever perished? Where

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were the upright ever destroyed? As I have observed,

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Eliphaz says, those who plow evil and those who

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sow trouble, reap it. At the breath of God, they

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perish. At the blast of his anger, they are no

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more. The lions, they roar and growl, yet the

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teeth of the great lions are broken. The lion

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perishes for lack of prey, and the cubs of the

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lioness are scattered. A word was secretly brought

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to me. My ears caught a whisper of it. Amid disquieting

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dreams of the night when deep sleep falls on

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people, fear and trembling seized me. They made

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my bones shake. A spirit glided past my face

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and the hair on my body stood on end. It stopped,

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but I could not tell what it was. A form stood

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before my eyes and I heard a hushed voice say,

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be more righteous than God? Can even a strong

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man be more pure than his maker? If God places

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no trust in his servants, if his charges, if

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his angels with error, how much more those of

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us who live in houses of clay, whose foundations

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are in the dust, who are crushed more readily

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than a moth. Between dawn and dusk, they are

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broken to pieces, unnoticed. They perish forever.

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Are not the cords of their tent pulled up so

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that they die without wisdom? Eliphaz continues,

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call if you will, but who will answer you? To

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which of the holy ones will you turn? Resentment

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kills a fool and envy slays the simple. I myself

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have seen a fool taking root, but suddenly his

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house was cursed. His children are far from safety,

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crushed in court without a defender. The hungry

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consume his harvest, taking it even from among

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the thorns and the thirsty pant after his wealth.

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For hardship does not spring from the soil. nor

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does trouble sprout from the ground. Yet man

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and woman is born to trouble as surely as sparks

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fly upward. There comes the advice. But if I

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were you, Eliphaz says, I would appeal to God.

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I'd lay my cause before him. He performs wonders

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that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot

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be counted. He provides rain for the earth. He

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sends water on the countryside. The lowly, he

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says, hi. And those who mourn are lifted to safety.

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He thwarts the plans of the crafty so that their

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hands achieve no success. He catches the wise

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in their craftiness and the schemes of the wily

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are swept away. Darkness comes upon them in the

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daytime. At noon, they grope as in the night.

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He saves the needy from the sword in their mouth.

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He saves them from the clutches of the powerful.

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So the poor have hope and injustice shuts its

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mouth. Blessed is the one whom God corrects.

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So do not despise the discipline of the Almighty.

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For he wounds, but he also binds up. He injures,

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but his hands also heal. From six calamities,

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he will rescue you. In seven, no harm shall touch

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you. In famine, he will deliver you from death

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and in battle from the stroke of the sword. You

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will be protected from the lash of the tongue

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and need not fear when destruction comes. You

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will laugh at destruction and famine and you

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will have no fear of wild animals for you will

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have a covenant with the stones in the field.

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and the wild animals will be at peace with you.

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You will know that your tent is secure. You will

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take stock of your property and find nothing

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missing. You will know that your children will

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be many, your descendants like the grass of the

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earth. You will come to the grave in full vigor

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like sheaths gathered in season. We have examined

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this, he says, and it is true. So Job, hear it

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and apply it to yourself. Job's response. Then

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Job replied, If only my anguish could be weighed

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and all my misery be placed on the scales. If

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only that were the case. It would surely outweigh

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the sands of the seas. No wonder my words have

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been impetuous. The arrows of the Almighty are

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in me. My spirit drinks in their poison. God's

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terrors are marshaled against me. Does a wild

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donkey bray when it is grass or an ox bellow

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when it has fodder? Is tasteless food eaten without

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salt or is there flavor in the sap of the mallow?

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I refuse to touch it. Such food makes me ill.

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Oh, that I might have my request. What? A request

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of Job. Oh, Job says, of my request that God

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would grant what I hope for. Oh, what is this

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Job? That God would be willing to crush me. To

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let loose His hand and cut off my life. Then

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I would still have this consolation. My joy in

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unrelenting pain that I had not denied the words

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of the Holy One. What strength do I have that

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I should still hope? What prospects that I should

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still remain patient? Do I have the strength

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of stone? Is my skin bronze? Do I have any power

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to help myself now that success has been driven

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from me? Anyone who withholds kindness from a

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friend forsakes the fear of the Almighty. Anyone

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who withholds kindness from a friend forsakes

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the fear of the Almighty. We're going to come

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back to that. But my brothers are as undependable

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as intermittent streams. You guys are no help

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to me. As streams that overflow when darkened

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by thawing ice and swollen with melting snow,

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but that stop flowing in the dry season and in

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the heat vanish from their channels. Caravans

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turn aside from their routes. They go off into

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wastelands and they perish. The caravans of Tima

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look for water. The traveling merchants of Sheba

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look in hope. They're distressed because they

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had been confident. They arrive there looking

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for the kindness of their friends, only to be

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disappointed. Now you too have proven to be no

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help. You see something dreadful and are afraid.

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Have I ever said give something on my behalf?

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Pay a ransom for me from your wealth? Deliver

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me from the hand of the enemy? Rescue me from

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the clutches of the ruthless? Teach me. Tell

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me about it, he says. I'll be quiet. Show me

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where I'm wrong. How painful are honest words.

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But what do your arguments prove? Do you mean

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to correct what I say and treat my desperate

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words as wind? You would even cast lots with

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a fatherless and barter away your friend. But

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now, be so kind as to look at me. Would I lie

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to your face? Relent and do not be unjust. Reconsider,

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for my integrity is at stake. Is there any wickedness

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on my lips? Can my mouth not discern malice?

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I just want to break up his response there. We'll

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come to the end of 7 here in a second. We read

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that these guys sat with Job and they didn't

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say a word for a whole week and they just wept

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with him and they joined in these acts of humiliation

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with him, the sackcloth and the ashes and so

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on. And incidentally, I'd said this last week.

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I'd also said this on Sunday. What's interesting

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about Job is that whenever you hear, often in

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Christian circles, when you hear the book of

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Job preached, they really only preach from the

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first couple of chapters where Job's stuff's

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pretty going okay. And then they get to the end

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where God replaces everything, and they kind

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of skip everything in the middle. And as I examined

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the book and prepared for this particular study,

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one of the things I definitely believe in It's

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this stuff in the middle here, these discussions

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between Job and his friends that are the real

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meat of the book that really, really we need

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to understand if we want to understand what's

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being said in the book. OK, now, again, I also

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think another reason why these chapters are overlooked

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is because they're difficult to interpret. Right.

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There are some of these portions of Scripture.

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The caravans of Tima look for water. The traveling

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merchants of Sheba look in hope. They're distressed

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because they have been confident they arrived

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there only to be disappointed. We could spend

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the next hour just talking about the caravans

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of Tima and about the traveling merchants of

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Sheba. Because to the original reader, that would

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have sparked a particular image in their mind.

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that the authors wanted to convey in emotion.

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So it's very, very, very dense in symbolism and

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interpretation that's just very difficult for

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us, one, not as Israelites, two, living in the

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21st century to fully, fully pull apart and delve

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into, okay? So there is a lot of this, I acknowledge.

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That's difficult and difficult to understand

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because of how difficult it is to interpret.

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Okay? So that's another very, very big deal.

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But I think that the problem also is that there

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are people that, because they lack that understanding,

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they don't really bother to delve into what it's

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really, really about. Right? And so I think that

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it's important between those, in all of those

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chapters, between 2 or 3 and 42, to really get

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into things I think that are very contemporary

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to us in the church today. I believe with the

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right lens, we can actually show how we as Christians,

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there's a lot of contemporary message we can

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take from these lessons in our world today. The

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church and the believer in the 21st century.

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So let's look tonight. And the reason why is

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because what's really happening here is a discussion

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between two believers who happen to be friends,

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right? We're going to find, you're going to find

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yourself, I promise you, in both Job. You're

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also going to find yourself here in Eliphaz in

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a second. Okay, and let me explain why. So chapters

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4 through 7, but let me first jump real quick

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to 16. In verse 2 of that chapter, Job calls

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these friends, what's more commonly called Job's

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comforters, he calls miserable. One of the ideas

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for the title of the podcast was going to obviously

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be, you know, with friends like these, Job doesn't

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need enemies, right? Because we're going to find

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each one of these friends aren't really that

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great of friends. They're actually a contradiction

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in terms. We can fully, truly say that when they

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start to open their mouths to Job, they will

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become miserable comforters. And if they had

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sat like that and did that for a whole week,

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and just sympathized with him and said nothing,

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we professionally call this, it's called the

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ministry of the present. You don't have to say

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anything. Sometimes it's just being there. The

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ministry of presence, right? Had these friends,

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we will find after we listen to them talk, had

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they kept their mouths shut and just hung out

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with Job and empathized and sympathized with

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him, they would have done a lot better. One man

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says it's better to sympathize than it is to

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sermonize. And that's a fact. This is exactly

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what Job's comforters are doing. They fail to

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sympathize with Job. And instead, they sermonize

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and they pontificate to him. So we're going to

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look at Eliphaz here in a little bit more detail

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tonight. But we're going to look through everything

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tonight. There's also a portion of Job's response

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I'm skipping over. You can look at that. In your

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private study. But I mentioned this is the first

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person that we see on the scene here. Eliphaz

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from Timon. Timon, he would have been an Edomite.

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And the place of Edom in the ancient world was

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renowned for its wisdom. So, again, one of the

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symbologies or imageries of this particular character,

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Eliphaz, being an Edomite, is going to build

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into your picture of this guy. That's probably

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a pretty smart dude. Okay? Kind of like... Wherever

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Harvard is. There's Harvard and Princeton. Aren't

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those all in Connecticut somewhere? They're really

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close together. That area, you just come from

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there. MIT. Oh, he's probably a smart guy. It

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probably is. But one of the things that we'll

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see all through his speeches throughout the book

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of Job is that this man Eliphaz bases all of

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his ideas, his in quotes, help for his friend.

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Job is on his own personal spiritual experience.

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He's going to offer all of his advice to Job

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from his personal perspective. Chapter 4, verse

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12. One night this man, Eliphaz, had a charismatic,

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perhaps, experience. He says, now a thing was

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secretly brought to me and my ear heard it. And

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in thoughts from the visions of the night, he

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had this dream where men fall in deep sleep.

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Fear came upon me, trembling, made my bones shake.

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Remember? Spirit passed before my face. The hair

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of my flesh stood up, stood still, but I couldn't

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tell what it was. An image before my eyes. Then

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there was silence and I heard a voice saying,

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right? And he begins to teach Job. arguing from

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that point from his own personal experience.

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And that argument is that God is a just God and

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that God will only make a man or a woman suffer

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if there's sin in their life. Right? His argument

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is basically, if things are going well for you,

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God loves you. If it's going well for you, that's

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a proof. If things are not going well for you,

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you could tell me how righteous you are all you

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want, brother. But I know that if you've got

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suffering, you're sinning somewhere in your life.

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Right? That's this argument. But again, this

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is from Eliphaz's own personal experience. Have

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you ever had people say, you know, look, whenever

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I was in your situation, I did this. When I had

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this problem, I coped this way. And I got through

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it. I overcome it doing it this way. And if you

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do it the same way I did it, right, you'll get

00:28:03.259 --> 00:28:06.579
through it as well. And if you don't, if you

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can't cope by doing it that way, then there must

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be something wrong with you. In fact, there must

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be something in your life that's wrong. Have

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people ever said to you, I think we're all guilty

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of it, right? Well, from my experience, what

00:28:23.009 --> 00:28:26.829
you need to do is, or others will say you need

00:28:26.829 --> 00:28:28.730
this experience. You need this to happen in your

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life. This is one that's kind of off topic, but

00:28:33.930 --> 00:28:38.210
it's kind of the same thing. You wouldn't understand

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you're not a parent. That kind of thing. You

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know what I'm saying? You may not have ever heard

00:28:43.509 --> 00:28:45.529
people say that. I've heard people say that.

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I'm sure I've probably said that before. But

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we're always trying to justify the world. And

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you're not wrong for doing it. It's part of being

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a human. From our own personal experience. The

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immortal, the timeless lesson of Eliphaz here.

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This is not just something that happens thousands

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of years before Jesus. This is a problem that

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is an immortal lesson of suffering that we get

00:29:18.220 --> 00:29:21.880
from Eliphaz. who's based all of his counsel,

00:29:22.059 --> 00:29:27.039
all of his comfort on his own spiritual experience.

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Listen, everybody's spiritual experience is different.

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Everybody's spiritual experience is different.

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And that does not add up to a default in God.

00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:48.079
That makes God even grander. That way, whenever

00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:51.829
I tell you, God desires a personal relationship

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with you, I mean it. But I couldn't say, God

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desires a personal relationship with you, and

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now if you want to conform to the church, your

00:30:01.430 --> 00:30:05.329
spiritual experience must look like mine. Well,

00:30:05.349 --> 00:30:08.650
which way do you want it? Right? You want a personal

00:30:08.650 --> 00:30:11.809
relationship with God. That means that everybody's

00:30:11.809 --> 00:30:15.990
spiritual experience is their own. And I'll say

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this, right? If I've learned anything, Like seminary,

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theological, college, education, in a counseling

00:30:23.579 --> 00:30:27.539
scenario, never say to anybody, I know what you're

00:30:27.539 --> 00:30:32.119
going through. Because you don't. You may have

00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:35.200
gone through cancer. But maybe you didn't react

00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:37.859
the way that this person did. You didn't go through

00:30:37.859 --> 00:30:40.119
it the way this person did. You might have gone

00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:43.759
through a loss, a bereavement, grief. Right?

00:30:43.859 --> 00:30:46.799
Just as we mentioned as the trouble in the human

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life. comes to us just as sparks float upward,

00:30:50.500 --> 00:30:53.660
right? We've all had trouble, but everybody's

00:30:53.660 --> 00:30:56.220
trouble is different and not everybody's experience

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is the same. And this is where Eliphaz really

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let Job down. Job's three friends will speak

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in terb, and Job will reply to each one of them.

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We're just looking at Eliphaz tonight, who gives

00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:12.680
the first and, commentaries say, the gentlest

00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:18.039
of speeches. He begins by reminding Job that

00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:23.319
Job is a wise man who helped others. Job's message

00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:26.700
used to be the same as his friends. It was agreed

00:31:26.700 --> 00:31:30.539
that there was this wisdom that was all moral.

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And that when they all shared, these religious

00:31:35.420 --> 00:31:38.680
people, shared these same moral assumptions.

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And that assumption is summarized. In Eliphaz's

00:31:44.750 --> 00:31:46.630
question, if you remember, I read this, it's

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verse 7 of 4. I said, remember, we're going to

00:31:49.009 --> 00:31:52.789
come back to this, right? His entire assumption

00:31:52.789 --> 00:31:58.049
about God, his theosity, if you will, is summed

00:31:58.049 --> 00:32:02.710
up in verse 7. Who being innocent has ever perished?

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Eliphaz's implied answer to that question is

00:32:08.170 --> 00:32:14.839
no one, right? His philosophy is, if you perish

00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:18.980
or suffer, it must prove you're guilty. If you

00:32:18.980 --> 00:32:22.440
prosper, it shows that you're good. Good things

00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:24.940
happen to good people, and bad things happen

00:32:24.940 --> 00:32:29.779
to bad people, always and without fail. Theosophy.

00:32:31.180 --> 00:32:34.920
Not the right theosophy, but a theosophy. The

00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:40.440
theosophy of Eliphaz. Okay? Eliphaz challenges

00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:46.119
Job not to get ideas above his station. Don't

00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:48.319
be trying to get too big for your britches with

00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:51.079
your righteousness, Job. Because you know God

00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:54.019
doesn't like that. You know what, Job? You might

00:32:54.019 --> 00:32:56.900
be a really righteous guy. And as being your

00:32:56.900 --> 00:32:58.900
friend, I know you're pretty proud of how righteous

00:32:58.900 --> 00:33:01.720
you are. And maybe that's your sin. See where

00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:04.220
I'm coming from? Maybe you're getting a little

00:33:04.220 --> 00:33:07.160
bit too big for your Bible britches. Maybe that

00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:09.500
could be the title. A little too big for your

00:33:09.500 --> 00:33:14.660
Bible britches? That's not a bad one. I'm going

00:33:14.660 --> 00:33:18.220
to have to remember that one. Eliphaz challenges

00:33:18.220 --> 00:33:23.119
Job, right? Maybe even in the good things, it's

00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:27.599
bad. And he uses this strange, frightening, if

00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:31.160
you will, story of this night apparition, a ghost,

00:33:31.180 --> 00:33:35.880
some sort of spectral being. And he presses home

00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:39.839
human mortality. And that the inevitability that

00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:45.200
bad things will happen to people like Job, who

00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.279
speak too proudly and aim for positions above

00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:52.579
others. Let me read 5 verses 8 through 16. Chapter

00:33:52.579 --> 00:33:57.920
5, 8 through 16. Eliphaz, advice again. But if

00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:03.259
I were you, I would appeal to God. I'd lay my

00:34:03.259 --> 00:34:06.849
cause before him. He performs wonders that cannot

00:34:06.849 --> 00:34:10.250
be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted.

00:34:10.329 --> 00:34:12.130
He provides rain for the earth. He sends water

00:34:12.130 --> 00:34:15.429
on the countryside. The lowly he sets high, and

00:34:15.429 --> 00:34:17.449
those who mourn are lifted to safety. He thwarts

00:34:17.449 --> 00:34:20.750
the plans of the crafty so that their hands achieve

00:34:20.750 --> 00:34:24.389
no success. He catches. The wise in their craftiness,

00:34:24.449 --> 00:34:27.210
the schemes of the wily, are swept away. Darkness

00:34:27.210 --> 00:34:30.170
comes upon them in the daytime, and noon they

00:34:30.170 --> 00:34:32.889
grope as if it's night. He saves the needy from

00:34:32.889 --> 00:34:34.510
the sword in their mouth. He saves them from

00:34:34.510 --> 00:34:37.349
the clutches of the powerful. Why? So the poor

00:34:37.349 --> 00:34:40.929
do have hope, and injustice shuts his mouth.

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This is Eliphaz giving advice to Job. He counsels

00:34:45.030 --> 00:34:49.389
Job, what? To be humble. To be humble, turn to

00:34:49.389 --> 00:34:53.829
God. Don't try to be too clever. Right? Don't

00:34:53.829 --> 00:34:57.849
worry too much, Job, about why all of this has

00:34:57.849 --> 00:35:02.170
happened. Because you might have even outsmarted

00:35:02.170 --> 00:35:05.829
your own self. For God catches the wise in the

00:35:05.829 --> 00:35:09.710
craftiness, verse 13. A statement that was quoted

00:35:09.710 --> 00:35:12.510
with approval by Paul because it's true in 1

00:35:12.510 --> 00:35:16.849
Corinthians 3 and 19. The problem is that Eliphaz

00:35:16.849 --> 00:35:19.550
is misreading what Job's actually grappling with.

00:35:20.329 --> 00:35:24.110
What Job's real problem is. Because Eliphaz is

00:35:24.110 --> 00:35:27.409
still going to be convinced from his own personal

00:35:27.409 --> 00:35:30.409
perspective, right? That what Job is mourning

00:35:30.409 --> 00:35:34.469
is the loss of his things, of his possessions,

00:35:34.989 --> 00:35:38.389
of his, well, even of his children. But that's

00:35:38.389 --> 00:35:42.090
not why Job, it's not why Job is mourning. We're

00:35:42.090 --> 00:35:45.570
going to find out here in a second. Eliphaz concludes

00:35:45.570 --> 00:35:47.989
with a beautiful and moving appeal to Job to

00:35:47.989 --> 00:35:50.929
smit. submit to the loving disciplines of god

00:35:50.929 --> 00:35:54.929
chapter 5 verse 17 blessed is the one whom god

00:35:54.929 --> 00:35:57.570
corrects so do not despise the discipline of

00:35:57.570 --> 00:36:00.369
the almighty for he wounds but he also binds

00:36:00.369 --> 00:36:03.829
up he injures but his hands also heal you guys

00:36:03.829 --> 00:36:06.289
have probably heard that verse before right from

00:36:06.289 --> 00:36:08.869
six calamities he will rescue you and seven no

00:36:08.869 --> 00:36:12.019
harm will touch you that's gorgeous In famine

00:36:12.019 --> 00:36:13.920
he will deliver you from death and in the battle

00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:16.280
from the stroke of the sword. You will be protected

00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:19.760
from the lash of the tongue. Fear not from where

00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:21.940
destruction comes. You will laugh at destruction

00:36:21.940 --> 00:36:25.019
and famine. You'll not fear the wild animals.

00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:28.920
24, he says, you'll know that your tent is secure.

00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:31.079
You take stock of your property and find nothing

00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:35.719
missing. You know that your children will be

00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:37.519
many and your descendants like the grass of the

00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:40.719
earth. You'll come to the grave in full vigor

00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:45.940
like sheaths gathered in season. We have examined

00:36:45.940 --> 00:36:48.280
this, his friends say to Job, and it's true.

00:36:48.380 --> 00:36:51.500
So hear it and apply it to yourself. He could

00:36:51.500 --> 00:36:54.659
almost be quoting Proverbs or maybe even in the

00:36:54.659 --> 00:36:58.780
Christian Bible, Hebrews. Ironically, Eliphaz,

00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:04.820
or maybe not ironically, is appealing to Job

00:37:04.820 --> 00:37:08.780
to serve God. Out of a desire for the blessings.

00:37:09.900 --> 00:37:13.699
Right? You need to figure out what's wrong between

00:37:13.699 --> 00:37:18.340
you and God and fix it. Not because your relationship

00:37:18.340 --> 00:37:21.559
with God is broken. So you can get all your stuff

00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:27.940
back. Right? That's okay. Oh, now this is really

00:37:27.940 --> 00:37:32.159
starting to... Why is this such bad advice? Right

00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:36.050
idea for the wrong reasons. He's trying to comfort

00:37:36.050 --> 00:37:39.510
his friend for a problem his friend is not grieving

00:37:39.510 --> 00:37:43.769
over. And we're going to find out here in a second.

00:37:43.809 --> 00:37:47.949
But it's exactly what Satan accuses Job of doing,

00:37:48.050 --> 00:37:54.949
isn't it? Right? He's accusing Job, Eliphaz,

00:37:55.090 --> 00:37:58.050
is accusing him of only serving God because of

00:37:58.050 --> 00:38:01.150
the blessings. Which is exactly the same argument.

00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:05.380
That Satan was using before God about Job. So

00:38:05.380 --> 00:38:07.320
be careful about the tongue of your friends,

00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.880
friend. Because you know what? Your friend's

00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:13.440
tongue might actually sound a lot like Satan's

00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:17.639
from time to time. Isn't that interesting? The

00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:24.400
problem, the grief, the problem is that the suffering

00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:28.340
of Job's are deeper. than the disciplining of

00:38:28.340 --> 00:38:31.699
God. He's not suffering because he's being chastened.

00:38:32.900 --> 00:38:34.760
But I do want to point out within the Christian

00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:38.920
tradition, this idea of all of this wrath being

00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:42.420
heaped on an innocent. As a Christian, we can

00:38:42.420 --> 00:38:44.800
look and see the foreshadowing of the wrath of

00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:49.099
God falling on an innocent Messiah, right? It'll

00:38:49.099 --> 00:38:52.079
be a foreshadowing of that same thing we Christians

00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.539
will see in Jesus. Because the same argument's

00:38:55.539 --> 00:38:59.309
being made, right? Was Jesus a good guy? Jesus

00:38:59.309 --> 00:39:02.889
was the best guy. Did bad things happen to Jesus?

00:39:03.730 --> 00:39:06.269
Did they make movies about how bad things happen

00:39:06.269 --> 00:39:09.230
to Jesus? We talk about how bad things happen

00:39:09.230 --> 00:39:12.570
to Jesus every single week. If anybody deserved

00:39:12.570 --> 00:39:15.130
not to have bad things happen to them because

00:39:15.130 --> 00:39:19.110
they're good people, Jesus is good people. So

00:39:19.110 --> 00:39:22.130
you can kind of see, that's not what the writer

00:39:22.130 --> 00:39:24.989
of Job is not talking about Jesus. I'm not saying

00:39:24.989 --> 00:39:27.809
that. What I am saying is that if we Christians

00:39:27.809 --> 00:39:32.130
can see what God is doing here, and we can see

00:39:32.130 --> 00:39:35.070
that same kind of thing eventually happening,

00:39:35.289 --> 00:39:38.809
right? Eliphaz's sermon might have been well

00:39:38.809 --> 00:39:41.250
meant, but it's simply spoken to the wrong person.

00:39:42.170 --> 00:39:46.530
Because that's not why Job is suffering. So Job

00:39:46.530 --> 00:39:48.650
now begins the first of eight speeches to his

00:39:48.650 --> 00:39:53.260
friend. Recall from chapter 1 and chapter 2,

00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:55.820
God does claim Job was a believer. And in the

00:39:55.820 --> 00:39:59.280
speeches of Job, we'll see that Job will say

00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:06.719
some wrong things. But that he is genuinely a

00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:11.219
worshiper of the Lord. The reason for Job's anguish,

00:40:11.260 --> 00:40:14.239
and the reason why that anguish is so terrible,

00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:16.880
is not because of his bankruptcy or his bereavements

00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:20.619
or sickness. Terrible as those things are, but

00:40:20.619 --> 00:40:25.039
that he's bearing the anger of God. The reason

00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:28.860
that Job longs for death is that if he dies soon,

00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.599
there'll be a chance that he won't say anything

00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:37.619
to deny God. Right? Job isn't scared of God as

00:40:37.619 --> 00:40:40.929
much as he's scared of himself. If this keeps

00:40:40.929 --> 00:40:44.789
happening, I'm not sure how long I can keep it

00:40:44.789 --> 00:40:47.329
up without cursing God. So God, kill me now so

00:40:47.329 --> 00:40:53.929
I don't. Right? Job now chides his so -called

00:40:53.929 --> 00:40:58.210
friends. He calls them a disappointing water

00:40:58.210 --> 00:41:01.969
source that promises life but offers nothing

00:41:01.969 --> 00:41:05.630
of value. And just when he most needs their help,

00:41:05.750 --> 00:41:10.619
they have no gospel for him, no good news. Only

00:41:10.619 --> 00:41:14.659
the death -dealing words of a moralistic creed.

00:41:16.019 --> 00:41:20.219
Job's desperate words cry out that their simple

00:41:20.219 --> 00:41:24.739
system simply does not work. But they can do

00:41:24.739 --> 00:41:28.780
nothing but repeat it. He says, now you too have

00:41:28.780 --> 00:41:31.039
proved to be no help. You see something dreadful

00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:32.840
and afraid. Have I ever said, give me something

00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:36.699
on my behalf? Pay a ransom for me from your wealth.

00:41:37.190 --> 00:41:39.329
Deliver me from the hand of the enemy. Rescue

00:41:39.329 --> 00:41:43.610
me from the clutches of the ruthless. With their

00:41:43.610 --> 00:41:47.489
limited knowledge and experience, they are unqualified

00:41:47.489 --> 00:41:52.309
to judge Job's situation. The friends are evidently

00:41:52.309 --> 00:41:55.289
more interested in defending their own assumptions

00:41:55.289 --> 00:41:59.090
about sin and suffering. They're certainly more

00:41:59.090 --> 00:42:01.530
concerned about their own assumptions about sin

00:42:01.530 --> 00:42:03.789
than they are caring for their friend and what

00:42:03.789 --> 00:42:07.900
their friend was feeling. What Job needed from

00:42:07.900 --> 00:42:11.900
his friends, members of the same Christian family,

00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:15.320
what Job needed from his friends, I hope you're

00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:19.239
hearing me right, Job needed the kindness of

00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:22.840
his friends. But what he got was criticism and

00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:28.019
condemnation. He says, what is mankind that you

00:42:28.019 --> 00:42:30.360
make so much of them? He's talking to God. That

00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.420
you give them so much attention, that you examine

00:42:32.420 --> 00:42:34.760
them every morning, test them at every moment.

00:42:36.010 --> 00:42:39.949
Will you never look away from me or let me alone

00:42:39.949 --> 00:42:43.250
even for an instant? If I have sinned, what have

00:42:43.250 --> 00:42:49.829
I done to you? You who see everything I do. Why,

00:42:49.829 --> 00:42:54.889
God, have you made me your target? Have I become

00:42:54.889 --> 00:42:59.590
a burden to you? Why do you not pardon my offenses

00:42:59.590 --> 00:43:04.940
and forgive my sins? for I will soon lie down

00:43:04.940 --> 00:43:08.960
in the dust. You will search for me, but I will

00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:15.440
be no more. Again, attention is given to the

00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:19.920
plight of humanity here. It's a good question.

00:43:19.980 --> 00:43:23.579
Why are human beings so important to God that

00:43:23.579 --> 00:43:29.860
it appears that he makes sport of them? Job intuitively

00:43:29.860 --> 00:43:33.690
recognizes here. And he will throughout his book.

00:43:34.030 --> 00:43:38.710
It's the virtue in him. Again, this isn't why

00:43:38.710 --> 00:43:43.949
we suffer. Job is showing us how we suffer. Why

00:43:43.949 --> 00:43:49.590
are human beings so important that it seems like

00:43:49.590 --> 00:43:54.289
God trivially hurts and causes us to stumble?

00:43:54.829 --> 00:43:58.409
Job recognizes that God, in these instances,

00:43:58.510 --> 00:44:02.639
God is testing him. And he again reminds God

00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:06.320
that he's about to die. So why does God not just

00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:12.460
pardon his sins and let bygones be bygones? In

00:44:12.460 --> 00:44:17.960
this strange paradox of innocent suffering, Job

00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:24.460
now pleads to be God forsaken. In the depths

00:44:24.460 --> 00:44:29.400
of Job's despair, he finds himself suffering.

00:44:30.219 --> 00:44:37.880
so deeply because of the lash of God that he

00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:43.159
now chooses to be forsaken by God. Leave me alone

00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:50.079
is the burden of his prayer to God. Because it

00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:53.380
seems like whenever God is with him, whether

00:44:53.380 --> 00:44:58.429
Job is awake or asleep, He is present, God is,

00:44:58.610 --> 00:45:04.769
in anger, and Job just can't take it. We learn

00:45:04.769 --> 00:45:09.710
from chapters 6 and 7 that the wrath of God is

00:45:09.710 --> 00:45:15.429
an unbearable pain. Even when we compare the

00:45:15.429 --> 00:45:19.730
loss of all of our possessions, our own physical

00:45:19.730 --> 00:45:23.630
and mental health, the loss of our family, the

00:45:23.630 --> 00:45:27.059
loss of our children, Even in the midst of all

00:45:27.059 --> 00:45:31.119
of those suffering, none of it, Job shows us,

00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:35.460
compares to the unbearable pain that is the wrath

00:45:35.460 --> 00:45:39.760
of God. And again, for we Christians, as we close,

00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:45.599
we can see that as a foreshadowing, right? Because

00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:50.400
in it, we see the gospel that the cross can bring

00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:55.010
comfort, right? That even through the actions,

00:45:55.289 --> 00:46:00.289
how do we say, how do we explain theosity? How

00:46:00.289 --> 00:46:03.710
do we argue for a just God despite the existence

00:46:03.710 --> 00:46:07.230
of evil in the world? Well, when we talk about

00:46:07.230 --> 00:46:11.030
our ways not being higher than God's ways, what

00:46:11.030 --> 00:46:15.130
if we use the example, right, of bad things happen

00:46:15.130 --> 00:46:20.889
to the goodest of people in Jesus? But the result

00:46:20.889 --> 00:46:23.690
of those bad things happening to the best of

00:46:23.690 --> 00:46:26.969
people becomes the salvation of all humankind.

00:46:28.650 --> 00:46:32.590
We have to take that in our figuring out the

00:46:32.590 --> 00:46:36.110
justice of God. We have to recognize there are

00:46:36.110 --> 00:46:39.710
still tons of things that we do not know about

00:46:39.710 --> 00:46:45.349
God's plans. Remember, Job, these things didn't

00:46:45.349 --> 00:46:49.650
happen because God was mad at Job. God allowed

00:46:49.650 --> 00:46:52.170
these things to happen despite the fact he was

00:46:52.170 --> 00:46:56.610
the best dude. Right? But for a reason. What

00:46:56.610 --> 00:47:00.989
reason? Here we are tonight. Having this same

00:47:00.989 --> 00:47:03.789
discussion about our relationship with God in

00:47:03.789 --> 00:47:07.010
a world that even in the 21st century from the

00:47:07.010 --> 00:47:10.469
7th century or 10th century BCE, one thing remains

00:47:10.469 --> 00:47:13.769
the same. Suffering still happens in our life.

00:47:14.530 --> 00:47:17.670
Right? And as followers of God, we acknowledge.

00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:20.840
That's just a part of the human experience. So

00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:24.639
rather than worrying about why we suffer, we

00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:29.659
can look to Job and find out how to suffer. Right?

00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:33.039
And that's the ultimate beauty, I think, of what

00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:37.219
we're going to find in the story of Job. And

00:47:37.219 --> 00:47:41.280
coming to those conclusions means first we must

00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:44.940
ask the right question. The right question, how?

00:47:45.539 --> 00:47:49.289
How are we supposed to endure? How are we supposed

00:47:49.289 --> 00:47:54.630
to show our faithfulness to God? Not why there's

00:47:54.630 --> 00:47:58.710
sin in the world. We already know that. But in

00:47:58.710 --> 00:48:01.389
the light, for we Christians, in the light of

00:48:01.389 --> 00:48:08.690
our salvation, how can we cope? So we'll see

00:48:08.690 --> 00:48:11.730
character number two next week, a guy named Bildad

00:48:11.730 --> 00:48:15.349
the Shuhite. Bildad the Shuhite. So I hope you'll

00:48:15.349 --> 00:48:24.139
come back for that. Any questions? You ever have,

00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:28.019
maybe even your best friend ever give you advice,

00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:30.940
tell you how to fix your problems, and as you

00:48:30.940 --> 00:48:33.980
listen to that advice, you realize that's not

00:48:33.980 --> 00:48:38.860
even what's wrong. It's interesting, this first

00:48:38.860 --> 00:48:42.340
conversation between Eliphaz and Job not only

00:48:42.340 --> 00:48:49.039
exposes this faulty theosophy about God, that

00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:51.980
just because you have material wealth, God must...

00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.760
love you more than those that have less. Those

00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:59.619
that have less somehow are just by virtue of

00:48:59.619 --> 00:49:04.280
their station in life sinners. It paints us into

00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:08.199
a theological corner that's hard for us to get

00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:12.579
out of. But have you ever had that friend give

00:49:12.579 --> 00:49:15.239
you advice that you didn't ask for and you certainly

00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:18.760
didn't need? Maybe even didn't even address the

00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:22.989
problem you were having in the first place. Well,

00:49:23.090 --> 00:49:28.570
that's a pretty common problem. And it's one

00:49:28.570 --> 00:49:31.869
that is definitely at play here with this first

00:49:31.869 --> 00:49:38.190
conversation between Eliphaz and Job. I think

00:49:38.190 --> 00:49:42.610
the important part here is not only for us to

00:49:42.610 --> 00:49:46.190
recognize those times where we insert ourself

00:49:46.190 --> 00:49:50.809
into the pain of others, but... Maybe sometimes

00:49:50.809 --> 00:49:55.349
the best thing we can do, the best way that we

00:49:55.349 --> 00:50:00.570
can have God shine through us, is through empathy.

00:50:01.949 --> 00:50:07.309
It's through understanding and a caring for other

00:50:07.309 --> 00:50:12.670
people's pain. An attempt to understand why people

00:50:12.670 --> 00:50:15.949
are suffering. Because it's in that way, if we

00:50:15.949 --> 00:50:20.369
truly care. That we're able to meet those that

00:50:20.369 --> 00:50:27.010
we care and respect where they're hurting. And

00:50:27.010 --> 00:50:30.489
I think that's one of the best things that we

00:50:30.489 --> 00:50:33.849
could do as God's servant. Not necessarily to

00:50:33.849 --> 00:50:38.030
eliminate pain and suffering from the world,

00:50:38.090 --> 00:50:43.309
but the tools in which people might learn to

00:50:43.309 --> 00:50:49.369
suffer. Something to think about. Anyway, I hope

00:50:49.369 --> 00:50:52.889
to see you here next week. Until then, be blessed.
