All the words of my mouth are just... Shut up.
None of them is crooked or perverse. Oh, should
I be doing the intro instead? Yes, you should
be doing the intro. Got my memorisations tangled
up, that's all it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.
Blah, blah, blah. You're a witch. Welcome to
Don't Scare the Newbies, a podcast where we talk
kink, raw and unfiltered. I'm Carizel, a lifestyle
submissive in a 24 -7 dynamic who likes their
kink heavy, intense and scary. And I'm S, the
interrogation -winning dominant who knows how
to deliver all of the above. And today we are
going to be talking about our second interrogation,
The Witch Trial. Oh yes. Witch! So it's really
good timing that we're doing this episode this
week, but also we'll potentially provide listeners
with a little bit of whiplash. Just a bit, yeah.
Because on last week's episode, we talked to
Sunshine and Honeypot, who talked to us about
gamification and role -playing in Kink, and they
talked about their dynamic, which is really heavily
influenced by both of those things. And it was
amazing. It was really, really interesting. We
recorded it in... early june yeah i think um
and at the time as listeners will remember from
last week we said that sounds amazing it's really
interesting and really kind of great but we're
not really sure whether we could sustain that
kind of role playing you know and doing kink
as as someone else yeah was so anyway this week
we're going to talk about an interrogation which
was entirely built around a really detailed role
play with two entirely fictional characters that
we created yeah yeah just to really fuck with
people's heads and that episode was definitely
an inspiration we'd already started talking in
very vague terms about doing a witch trial scene
and had been talking for the last year and a
bit about wanting to do another interrogation
uh but i don't think either of us quite anticipated
how much of its own thing it would become yeah
and how much we would end up putting into our
characters and even thinking about sort of the
world that they lived in and talking to sunshine
and honeypot made that process so much easier
and made us both i think feel a lot braver about
tackling that and yeah being willing to lean
into the silly moments and accept that there
would be moments that would be cringe and that
we might forget things that we had learned and
all of that and just running with it and yeah
and we did and we did and it was amazing And
I won. You won. I won. There are spoilers. I
am not waiting until the end of the episode to
tell people whether we won. I won. And you deserve
to win. Absolutely. For how much you stepped
out of your comfort zone to do this scene. For
how much preparation you put in. And I put a
lot of preparation in as well. And it was scary
for me as well. But I think it was a lot more
challenging for you in a lot of ways. And the
things that you did to me. I am not ashamed to
have lost in those circumstances. I think that
is the kind of torture most people would break
under, and I'm proud of how long I held out.
Yes. Yes, I think you should be. I was very proud
of you as well. I was a little bit surprised.
I thought, given how fucking stubborn you are,
I was bracing myself for a very long day, but
equally not surprised that you... confess when
you did because i was brutal to you yeah you
were it was um it's quite disturbing watching
the video i think it's really hot i think that
says a lot about me i i was there i did those
things i am in the video doing those things and
even i'm watching it going oh jesus like holy
shit it's so funny for me like watching stuff
like that back because in the moment interrogation
play for me the two times we've done it at least
it hasn't been sexual play it's just too intense
to be a turn on for me in the moment yeah and
it's a very different headspace where it very
much is me at war with you it's a challenge it's
like it's like playing a video game against your
partner you know when you played mario kart with
your partner and you cackle with you and you
hit them with a blue shell yeah it's like that
but weirder um so it's not a particularly sexual
kind of play for me but looking back at pictures
and videos of you doing that stuff to me and
seeing you in full -on terrifying sadist mode
and looking just like so angry and intimidating
and stuff it's like oh oh yeah that does something
for me so it's hotter after the fact than it
is in the moment in the moment it's just i'm
locked in i'm in it yeah that's fair and there
is an element of that for me as well like the
other way around i'm not looking at myself going
oh yeah that's really hot um obviously i enjoy
seeing you suffer and that is the most that you
have suffered in my presence it really is um
and you say that you don't look at yourself going
oh yeah i'm hot i kind of do a little bit in
that like i feel just the prettiest ever when
i'm screaming and crying that is just i i was
looking through the pictures and i was like oh
my god like for a start the filler is popping
like the filler overpowers everything else but
also i've got these like blushy red cheeks from
being slapped around and i'm doing these intense
facial expressions and there's some way you can
see i'm really defiant i'm like making eye contact
with you yeah yeah yeah do what you fucking want
um acting a lot tougher than i was feeling yeah
and it's like usually before you were gonna spit
at me yeah i did spit at you a lot yeah um but
yeah it's like the most badass i've ever looked
and then the most suffering i've ever done and
it's just like love this i feel hot you are hot
everything is hot that's fair that's fair that's
totally valid to look at yourself and think that
you're hot that's just not how my brain works
not a thing that you do not a thing that i do
no i will teach you to learn no i i'm i'm i'm
comfortable with that fair you know i'm comfortable
with looking at myself in the mirror going hey
you look all right but i think because it's a
little bit scary to see yourself like that i
can understand that from your side of things
yeah i think some of it is because you are just
generally mean to yourself but i can also imagine
if i saw myself screaming in someone's face and
beating them with a whip i might be like oh oh
cariesel what you doing yeah yeah there is a
little bit of that to it where you look at it
and go yikes i really did that didn't i yeah
you did but anyway we're getting a little bit
ahead of ourselves we should go back to the beginning
and uh talk a little bit about how the witch
trial came about yeah so this one was one of
my ideas initially which i'm very proud of yes
um so this all started just like the last interrogation
happened because i've been reading 1984 this
one happened because i've been reading slewfoot
which is a brilliant folk horror novel um about
a woman who spoiler alert ends up getting accused
of witchcraft um but there's like forest spirits
in it and cool like nature gods and it's a really
good book it's a really really good book and
it made me cry multiple times but because of
who i am as a person there's a witch trial scene
in it and i was a little bit flustered um felt
very sorry for the character lots of empathy
love it a bit but i was like but if i could just
squeeze in there So that's when my brain started
wearing, but I wasn't sure how we would pull
it off. It immediately felt like a good fit for
the kinky camping trip that we go to. because
it's out in the woods it's away from a lot of
modern technology we've got our phones and we've
got our little camping stove and thing but you
know it's it's a lot more disconnected from technology
than we normally are so it would lend itself
to a very different style of interrogation than
the last interrogation we did that was very based
on a lot of technology using lights and projectors
and sounds and cameras and all of that stuff
um so it felt like a perfect fit for that but
it also felt like a scene that would require
a bit of role play um and that would require
us to be creative in different ways because we
couldn't rely on having sort of fine control
over the environment as much yeah so it kind
of sat in the back of my head for a little bit
as an idea until we did that episode with sunshine
and honeypot and that's when i was like actually
we could probably do that we could probably do
that and it would be awesome yeah um and i pitched
it to you in the full fantasy mode of what was
in my head where i had this vision of me being
marched through the campsite surrounded by a
crowd of like hundreds of people all booing and
jeering and yelling accusations at me and you
whipping up the crowd into a frenzy as the witch
finder going who has an accusation for the witch
and me having all my clothes ripped off in public
and being beaten and being humiliated and being
inspected and then tortured and i was like yeah
and i came to you with this like So we're going
to do a tamer version of this. I'm going to present
this to them and they're going to go straight
away. We're going to find a private location.
Yep. If you want a booing and jeering crowd,
we maybe recruit two friends to be there for
five minutes at the beginning of the scene and
then we send them away. You know, I was expecting
you to like strip it right down to something
that was more comfortable. And you really surprised
me by saying, actually, yeah, we could do that
in the central hub area. Yeah, we can. ask around
we can try to get a few more people involved
we can do this as a very public scene yeah and
you also embrace the role play elements of it
with being like yeah it's not just me s torturing
carizal and calling them a witch yeah we kind
of need to step outside ourselves a little bit
because because carizal is a witch i'm a practicing
pagan yeah um yeah so there wouldn't have been
any mystery to you it would have been just a
case of trying to get me to confess something
you already knew Yeah. Well, one of the things
we agreed really early on is you wouldn't know
going into it whether I was a witch that you
had successfully identified or whether this was
a case of sort of religious paranoia where you
thought I was a witch and I was actually this
innocent, falsely accused person. Yeah. I made
that decision early on which of those things
I was going to be. But you had no idea. I had
no idea. You had to find that out the hard way.
Yes. And I did. And you did. If I haven't mentioned
already. yeah so obviously listeners will have
heard some of the planning of that we'd had a
kind of preliminary conversation about that before
we recorded our planning for public play episode
where we'd agreed we were going to do a witch
trial but we hadn't gone into any of the detail
we deliberately saved that for that episode yeah
and on that episode we planned all of the scenes
that we wanted to do on our kinky camping trip
and obviously that was that was the big one um
and then we had two more in -depth negotiation
sessions about that where we came together to
talk about what we were going to do uh the first
one of those was really about sort of the the
timeline and choreography of the scene what location
we would be in for each stage of the process
and what events needed to happen at each of the
three locations we used yep because there was
the elements that were going to happen at the
campsite where i was first accused and arrested
there was going to be the then sort of public
crowd work section where i was inspected at least
partially inspected for evidence and was accused
and where you would invite accusations from other
people and then i would be taken on my like walk
of shame up into the woods yeah uh walked into
the woods yeah uh where the actual torture and
interrogation elements would come into play yeah
um and then we also agreed that it was going
to finish off with me being symbolically burned
as a witch by receiving a brand of the word witch
Yes. Which would happen back at the central area,
largely because of not being allowed to do anything
that generates heat in the woods due to the current
hot weather. Yeah. Would have been a fire risk.
So the branding had to happen somewhere, somewhere
safe. Yes. Yeah. So that was our second negotiation
session was really hashing out all the details
of each of those steps. Not the details of exactly
what you would do to me in them or what my strategy
would be to to outlast it. But which key events
had to be fitted in. Yeah, and I think it's one
of the things that I kind of kept coming back
to in that slightly overthinking way that I do,
is trying to work out what was going to happen
where, and make sure we do things in the right
order, in the right places. So I kept going back
and forth on, well, does the inspection happen
at the tent, because that's where the accusation
is being made, or does it happen at the hob?
because that's the public humiliation part of
it or does it happen up at the interrogation
as part of asking questions and there was always
that kind of little overlap in my head kind of
thing of well how do i work in those set piece
bits that we already knew about with the things
that i'm going to do to you as part of the scene
that you don't you didn't necessarily know about
and there were some of it that you did so for
example nettle stuffing was something that we
talked about yeah And I was like, okay, so is
that just something I do to torture them? Or
is that part of, could you work that into kind
of an inspection kind of thing? So like using
the speculum to open you up and then shoving.
So I ended up in this weird little feedback loop
in my head of trying to piece it all together.
So like talking it through. with you that kind
of that second time in particular was really
helpful to map that out and one of the things
i tried to remind you of in that conversation
is it's okay for you to deviate from that as
long as we hit those three locations in an order
that we've agreed um and as long as all of the
important stuff that we want to fit in as best
we can is fitted in yeah go nuts and there was
an element of that you did sort of when you first
arrested me you found some evidence in the tent
so that was part of your your evidence against
me you did a partial inspection of me in the
in the hub and then continued to inspect me during
the interrogation and didn't find all the clues
it was great but um but yeah you did sort of
take that a little bit more free form and it
worked yeah yeah um and then our third big negotiation
session was character work so by this point we'd
both gone away and done a lot of planning on
our own because we both needed to plan our strategy
and keep a lot private from each other um but
we had developed our characters and talked about
them a little bit but needed to make sure that
they were aligned there were definitely things
that you didn't know about my character chastity
uh because jeff and i are her witch finder fiance
didn't know those things about her yeah but there
were things that jeff and i should know and i
needed to make sure that you knew them so that
you wouldn't say something that contradicted
with that and would cause like a weird buffering
moment where we had a different expectation of
where the conversation was going yeah so we talked
about jeff and i are in chastity's relationship
what jeff and i would know about chastity's history
um what sort of they were doing on their camping
trip together a little bit about the setting
of the world that they were in you know we agreed
quite early on we were not aiming for perfect
historically accurate 1600s these were essentially
modern people but with sort of an old -fashioned
twist to kind of how they interacted and and
the way that they moved through the world um
so we weren't trying to use perfect historically
accurate language we also weren't quite speaking
like normal modern english either there was a
lot of like i cannot yeah and such things yeah
it was it was definitely we definitely had a
different voice didn't we yeah not just like
the sound of it but like the way that we spoke
to each other yeah was was quite different it
was a little bit like vaguely old -fashioned
yeah um it's like people who've done absolutely
zero research and know nothing about history
pretending they're in the 1600s that was what
we were doing yeah and we just fully embraced
that we were never trying to make a documentary
here yeah Yeah, it was not a historically accurate
representation of the Pendle witch trials. No.
Which is good because I did not do that level
of research. No, neither did I. I used my time
very differently. So those were the three bits
of planning that we did together, the main bits
of planning. And there were lots of little casual
conversations in there where I would say, hey,
you could do this and you would go. hey would
this be okay this is kind of close to your limits
but it's not crossing a limit and things like
that bouncing ideas around but those are the
three big conversations uh but we did a lot of
work separately so i'm quite interested to hear
about what your process was like behind the scenes
then because there's a lot that i think i don't
know still about what you did yeah and this is
where i feel a little bit bad because you did
a lot more research and preparation than i did
i did very little research but i did a lot of
insane preparation that is that is true that's
that's fair um I mean, I think my character,
Jeff and I, I think was fairly straightforward.
Like, in my head, he was very religious, but
also very angry and very paranoid. Yeah. Being
a witch finder does not have a good effect on
anyone's mental health was my kind of take on
it. So, yeah, really quite paranoid about the
world. Seeing devilry. And that had made him
quite angry as a person. And that's why he interrogates
the way that he does. So my overarching strategy
going into the interrogation part is overwhelming
physical abuse. Yeah. That was basically my strategy.
High intensity, almost constant. physical impact
on you of different types was was basically how
i saw my route to to winning the interrogation
and kind of that fitted with that vibe of the
kind of person who i thought a witch finder would
be yeah um like a witch finder with burnout it
sounds like it's kind of the vibe you're going
for yeah which seems like they would be even
worse yeah because they are just fucking done
with the world and just want to hit stuff yeah
yeah And almost that resentment that the one
person that he loves is probably a witch. Yeah.
So kind of all of that stuff together of being
a witch finder is bad enough and has had a negative
effect on Jeff and I. But then to discover that
the one safe space that he's got is also the
very thing that he spends his life battling against.
Yeah. Betrayal is one of the hottest concepts
to me. I get off on betrayal so much. And it
was such a mutual betrayal. Yeah. Because you'd
found out that the one person you loved was a
witch or was potentially a witch. Yeah. And I
was being tortured by the one person I loved.
And it was just, I love that. Yeah, yeah. So
that was kind of the thinking behind Jeff and
I. Although I came up with the name really late.
Yeah. Literally two days before. I hadn't. because
you came up with the name really early not super
early but it was a couple of weeks before I think
yeah and then you were debating whether you even
needed a name or whether you were just basically
going to be you but then we talked about one
of the safety features we built in is we didn't
want to have any sort of like out for me in the
scene other than confessing but we acknowledge
there might be times when i might need to communicate
something to you urgently you know like if i
was getting a cramp or if um something unsafe
was happening or if i was struggling to handle
something specific but i really didn't want to
wrap up yet kind of things yeah a way to get
your attention so we agreed using each other's
real name would be a like pause for a sec we
need to talk yeah um so you needed then something
for me to call you that wasn't your real name
Yeah. Because I wasn't going to be using protocol
in the scene, so I wouldn't have addressed you
as mix. No. So that's when you came up with Jeff
and I. Yeah. I think that was partly, I think
partly it had just gone out of my head. Yeah.
That I needed a name. And it's, it's, it's really
weird thinking back on it that, well, if you
need to know, if you're wanting to know who the
character is, you need to give them a name. Yeah.
And it didn't, it didn't occur to me that that
was important. Might have made my life a little
bit easier if it had. But yeah, came up with
it. like literally two or three days yeah before
the before the scene um and it worked i think
jeff and i was a really good name it was yeah
yeah it's like just a little bit over the top
and ridiculous but also definitely sounds like
yeah like the right vibe yeah super christian
witch finder um and i was chastity um just because
it entertains me that i have taken several miles
of dick and my name was chastity yeah and as
it turned out chastity also had chastity was
not chased No, not at all. So kind of that character
development for me was pretty straightforward.
Angry little man, basically. And in terms of
researching into strategy, I did actually look
at, so what do they do in the witch trials? And
how could I incorporate some elements of that
in a... into the scene in in an ethical way understanding
that i can't do the things that they actually
did yeah because that would have killed you yeah
because a lot of the actual witch trials people
died during the interrogations a lot of the torture
techniques they used were definitely not rack
no any of the letters they were not particularly
bothered with making sure that the alleged witches
survived to the end of the trial no um so there's
a lot of that that we couldn't replicate but
we could look at the vibe no i mean i think i
think they were very aware of the risks but that
was kind of the point yeah um so obviously there
was a lot of physical torture in there um using
whips and things like that so and i think we
talked about this anyway but we knew i knew going
in there wasn't going to be anything in my toolbox
that you liked yeah i deliberately picked everything
that you hated in out of all of our things that
we use but looking at like okay so one of the
things they did was um one of the things they
did during witch trials was dunking i didn't
i procrastinated on researching how you would
do that safely in the bdsm context but we'd agreed
okay waterboarding would be on the list as an
equivalent yeah um Dunking is on the list for
future when we've done some classes. Yeah, yeah.
Because we saw some dunking and it's cool as
fuck. But yeah, we stuck with waterboarding as
our water torture standard. Yeah, they used chemicals,
which is where the nettles came from. They used
restraint that you were cuffed up and manacled.
They did soaping, which we didn't get to. Because
you forgot the soap. And I actually forgot the
soap, which would have been a fun thing to do.
And obviously the bedding, which was the end
of the... end of the trial anyway but I also
looked at enhanced interrogation techniques yeah
and a lot of it wasn't all that helpful because
it was based on having access to technology and
it was based on kind of much longer periods of
time yeah and I knew from the first interrogation
that that kind of thing doesn't work on you in
a short space of time yeah and just would be
impractical in that in that environment so really
loud noises flashing lights making you watch
horrible things on the the screen um you know
classic good cop bad cop kind of kind of thing
um more ideas for a future interrogation at home
then yeah none of that kind of stuff kind of
really really helped um but there were a couple
of things so making you kneel on things making
you kind of making you move between kind of being
melt and being stood up um slapping you in the
stomach That was awful and so surprising because
that's not something we've done before and not
something I knew was coming. And if you'd said,
I'm going to slap you in the stomach, I'd have
been like, okay, piece of piss. Nice break from
the whips. Yeah, yeah. Surprisingly nasty. One
of the most painful parts of it, actually. Yeah.
I couldn't believe it. And then when you told
me you'd learned about it from reading about
actual modern day torture techniques, it's like,
okay, so that tracks. That's why it's so bad.
Yeah, yeah. It was something that they did at
Guantanamo Bay. Yeah. I was reading a website
about... what the techniques they used there
were i was like stomach slapping nice consensual
stomach slapping is nice yes we do not condone
guantanamo bay no no obviously um but it was
really interesting like that specifically it
was really interesting because i was like yeah
get like the the obvious thing would be to punch
him in the stomach yeah but like immediately
i was like yeah slapping someone really hard
across the stomach is gonna sting like a fucker
it really does yeah it's much worse than being
punched in the stomach because we've incorporated
that into a lot of sort of cnc resistance type
scenes you'll often give me a good punch to the
stomach to subdue me yeah and we're careful about
safety and how hard you do it and stuff but it's
never overwhelmingly painful it is more of a
psychological thing and being winded and having
like the the fight taken out of me a bit where
the stomach slapping was just agonizing yeah
and i bruised from it which i've never bruised
from being just slapped with a bare hand before
but on the stomach i really did yeah um so yeah
so i did that thinking about some of the things
that the that might be useful techniques but
i was really careful not to come up with a list
of too many things yeah to to do because again
i think that that learning from the first interrogation
that kind of fairly quick cycle through different
things happening actually helped you what was
one of the things that that kind of helped you
get through that it did yeah it was tough in
some ways because i knew every time you came
back into the room it was going to be something
a little bit worse yeah but i also knew that
it would probably be 15 minutes of it at most
um yeah where anything that you did to me if
i could tough it out for 15 minutes you would
switch to something else and even if it was worse
at least it was different yeah one of the things
that was so hard to take in this interrogation
is because you kept going back to the same things
over and over i knew that all i was getting was
a breather i was still gonna have to face it
again i was gonna have to face it again and i
was gonna keep having to face it until either
i confessed or you got sick of it and that might
have taken hours yeah so that had a really strong
psychological effect of me of just ramping up
fear yeah of dreading it more and more and more
each time you return to it especially uh the
three whips you were using and the the rubber
paddle that combo was just every single one of
them hurt just as much as each other and you
just kept going to them yeah yeah yeah and that
was that was essentially my strategy and we took
other things up there with us as well and i think
if the interrogation had gone on for for longer
i probably would have used some of those so we
took the heretics fork which i was going to use
in combination with making you kneel on the acupressure
mat which i did very first thing i did um but
using that in combination with the heretics fork
and leaving you in that state because obviously
we'd agreed that i wouldn't hit you with anything
while you had the heretics fork so the heretics
for people who don't know is basically ours is
um really printed plastic but it's basically
a double -sided fork two tines up either side
and it's designed to go between underneath someone's
chin and like the top of their chest yeah and
it's almost like a posture kind of thing where
it forces your head into a particular position
so i was going to have you kneel recite the lord's
prayer on the mat with that there and that was
going to be a period of just leaving you yeah
a so i could have a breather but b so that it
was that would be awful for you and would be
something that you would have to endure and then
back to what you just said knowing that once
that's over you would be back to being whipped
yeah and using that using fear in that way because
my plan was for at least the first chunk of it
just be relentlessly violent and you were so
start out escalated rather than ramp up to it
yeah which was a really smart strategy but yeah
that was as far as my kind of strategizing went
like i say it feels pretty straightforward but
i think for me straightforward was the right
way to to go with it definitely and it was effective
yeah as as we have revealed it was very effective
yeah yeah um but what about you you put quite
a lot of work into your strategy and preparation
for it i did yeah and i sort of i think i probably
did my character work the other way around from
you i strategized first and then reverse engineered
a lot of my character from the strategy right
i made a decision early on that chastity was
a witch yeah we talked about the possibility
that i could be falsely accused and for sort
of the drama and the the like desperation of
that that really appealed to me but i wanted
the dramatic confession moment where i revealed
that i was a witch and and you would know that
i was a witch and i wasn't just saying it for
the torture to stop um i wanted like a defiant
moment if i lost the interrogation and i spoiler
alert i really did So that was kind of my starting
point. And then I went into thinking of a strategy
because I promised you that I was not going to
use the silence that I used in the first interrogation
and that I wouldn't use music as a psychological
anchor in the first interrogation. I'd had a
couple of songs that I would like whisper to
myself on repeat as a way of marking time and
self soothing and distracting myself from what
was going on. And I promised I wouldn't reuse
the same strategy. kind of to give us give us
both a chance to experience it in a different
way um but also because i didn't think either
of those things would be as good for this scene
um having sort of modern pop music would have
felt like a bit of a an anachronism and i know
we had fucking hundreds of anachronisms but i
didn't want to like kill the vibe with that and
silence would have taken away a lot of the role
play opportunities and the chance for our characters
to bounce off each other and do a little bit
of like improv essentially yeah um so i ruled
those out so i decided that what i was going
to do instead is that i was going to have the
layers of secrets that worked really well for
me in the first interrogation so the fact that
i was trying to hide from you that i was using
these songs was a fun little bit of defiance
that gave me an edge so i wanted to make sure
i had secrets i was keeping from you other than
the fact that i was a witch And I wanted to have
something that I could memorize and repeat the
same way I'd used the songs as an anchor. So
I decided that Chastity has the same patron goddess
that I do because it's easy. I didn't have to
learn anything new. And Inanna, who is my patron
goddess, like a number that is sort of sacred
in relation to her is the number eight. Her symbol
is an eight pointed star. And you can. with a
little bit of wibbling. I relate it to one of
the most important pieces of mythology about
her, where she descended through the seven gates
of hell and then died there and was resurrected
and came back. So I choose to interpret that
as coming back as the eighth gate, just so I
can. have one number, not two to work with. So
I was trying to work in the number eight as much
as possible into my backstory, into things that
I said and into my strategy. Because that would
give me a fun little thing that I like had over
you that you wouldn't pick up on. And I was confident
you wouldn't pick up on it. And I didn't. You
didn't, no. And there were a couple of things
that I did that would have made it so easy for
you to pick up on as well that you missed. So
I felt very smug throughout about that. So the...
thing that i chose to memorize and have as my
psychological anchor was i went through the bible
and i made myself a list of every chapter 8 verse
8 that is in the bible not all books have got
eight chapters but every one that did i wrote
them all down i went through and stripped out
about two -thirds of them because they were either
sort of clunky or they had um things in them
that could have been taken as like an offensive
statement without the context they were in or
possibly even in the context they were in um
or just that i couldn't make them flow with each
other and with the ones that were left i arranged
them into something that almost made sense like
they all sort of led on to the next verse quite
well in a way that sounded like it was all one
narrative but also was kind of nonsensical and
hard to follow um and i spent two weeks memorizing
that yep yes you did i learned it in sections
i recorded audio of myself reading it out and
made it into a little video with the dynamic
captions that flash up word by word so i would
watch that at my desk quite a lot of the time
sort of at work just have it running in the background
I would listen to that if I was just kind of
like doing cooking and stuff in the kitchen.
Sometimes I'd have that with headphones on. I
was constantly running it until I had it absolutely
nailed and I could do it even when I was distracted.
I sneakily practiced it during a scene we did.
I had my face down in the pillow and was muttering
it to myself to check I could do it when I was
being hit. So I got that absolutely nailed. So
that was a big part of my strategy. But then
I tried to work. eights into as much other stuff
as possible so chastity's mother died eight years
ago yeah um the we'd agreed that i was gonna
hide clues either in the tent or on my person
i had eight clues that you could have found yeah
but you didn't find all of them so you didn't
know there were eight of them no i only found
three i think yeah you found so i had a crystal
that i had inserted inside myself yes uh which
i don't think you would have found when you did
but it started to slip down when i was walking
so as soon as you put your hand in my underwear
you found it immediately because it was right
there yeah um but you missed that i had three
little tiny mini bottles sewn inside my underwear
two of them had sigils in and one had a bit of
paper that just had the number eight on it which
would have really helped you if you'd found them
yeah yeah um i had a crystal in each pocket of
my skirt so that's Five clues so far. You didn't
find the crystals in my pockets. No. So out of
those five clues, you had only found one. Yeah.
I left a tarot card in the bed on the tent, which
you did find. Yeah. That one I made sure was
really easy for you because obviously that was
strength number eight. And I had a pouch of crystals
hanging around my neck as a necklace, which you
found once you cut my top off. But what you didn't
find out was that if you'd opened up that pouch
and counted the crystals, there were three different
kinds of crystals and there were eight of each
one. Yes. Which is just, like, insane. Yeah.
Was that all of them? Was that all eight? I believe
that's all eight makes, yeah. So we've got the
crystals around my neck, the crystal in my hoo
-ha, the crystal in each pocket, so two. The
three little jars and the tarot card. Eight.
Eight. And I found three of them. Yeah. Which
was an impressively poor showing, given that
all of them except one were on me the entire
time. Yeah. But there was a lot going on. Well,
the skirt came off pretty quickly, to be fair.
Yeah. So I wasn't rooting through your pockets.
No. For that. But I am and will always be really
mad about those three little bottles. Yeah. Because
I saw them. Yeah. And I just thought, that's
folded in a weird way. Yeah. There was like a
visible sort of scrunch at the front of my underwear
where the stitching was. And you didn't notice.
I just thought it... And I'd assumed you would
either cut or pull my underwear off at some point
and then you definitely would have seen them.
Yeah. But because we never got to the nettle
stuffing part, you didn't. But I thought the
underwear might come off really early and then
you'd find them. Yeah. I thought the crystal
inside me, I might... get away with until you
got the speculum involved but obviously because
it started to fall out you you got it um so yeah
i was very smug about my little clues but then
developing my character came after a lot of that
because once i'd got my insane monologue that
i'd learned then i started figuring out how i
could make it mean something in my head yeah
because i'd only really put the verses together
in a way where they sort of all connected onto
the next one mainly to make it easier to memorize
but then i started to pull a narrative from it
so the first section of it was all of the words
of my mouth are just none of them is crooked
or perverse how can you say we are wise for we
have the law of the lord when actually the lying
pen of the scribes has handled it falsely ask
the former generation find out what their ancestors
learned they have read from the book of the law
of god making it clear and giving the meaning
so the people understood what was being read
Just as an aside, I love how much you hate this.
Yeah. You are sick of hearing this. Yes. So that
first section, the meaning that I chose that
Chastity would have behind that was that... that
people who are following the christian faith
are following the bible rather than their actual
god they're following lies that have been written
down misinterpretations and warping of scripture
that's happened over time and aren't actually
truly connected to their faith where hers is
completely true and is about personal connection
with god yeah um so she sees herself as being
very much in the truth even though she's telling
a lot of lies yeah So that was my sneaky meaning
in that one. And there were six sections of it
and everything had something like that. So the
second one was all talking about sacrifice. And
that was her basically saying, I've let you catch
me. I'm choosing to sacrifice myself so that
you can see where your faith has taken you to.
The third section talks about people celebrating
in a city and all the blessings that the land
has. And then God saying, take the city and set
it on fire. And I was saying, your God creates
and destroys on a whim. um but mine sees these
two as the same thing creative energy and destructive
energy are all one thing um which is how i'm
able to withstand what you're doing to me yeah
uh the the fourth section of it um had a lot
of verses that were talking about the general
idea that the material world is a barrier between
you and God. One of the verses in it was those
who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please
God. And that was about contrasting Jeff and
I as faith with how he follows a faith that is
all about abstaining from things, you know, refusing
sex, fasting, all of these ways of like disconnecting
yourself from pleasure and chastity saying, but
you can embrace pleasure and still ascend beyond
the material. That can be a way of bringing you
closer to God. as well um the fifth section is
where i was basically just saying i'm a fucking
witch because it had a bit uh i believe this
one was from revelation talking about the second
angel blew a trumpet and a mountain all ablaze
falls into the sea um which i was using as a
reference to the destruction of mount ibex which
is a myth about inanna destroying a mountain
that offended her with in its pride and is widely
considered to be the origin of the eden myth
um but from the different perspective of destroying
eden frees humans rather than destroying eden
being a condemnation of humans um so that was
very much a sort of yeah your god threw you out
of eden but mine let us out like a real fuck
you in your face and then there's this long rambling
bit about a goat with its horn being broken off
and i was like this is just the witchiest shit
i could be saying really rubbing it in your face
yeah yeah um and then the final section And I
am not commanding you, but I want to test the
sincerity of your love by comparing it with the
earnestness of others. Very much a plea for Jeff
and I are to see. the love that chastity has
for him um and then finished up with uh just
as no one is discharged in time of war so wickedness
will not release those who practice it which
is again a little bit of a dig from chastity
being like you are the one practicing wickedness
yeah and i want you to see that yeah um so i
was just looping that through the entire interrogation
yeah basically doing my confession and then when
i did my big dramatic confession i explained
the meaning of the whole thing as part of it
yeah yeah um so that was that was a lot of fun
That was a lot of fun to plan and it was a really
great way of reverse engineering the character
because once I figured out how to make those
verses mean something, then I knew what my character's
motivations were. Yeah, which is really, really
smart and really, really clever. And I think
what was really both enjoyable and deeply frustrating
about it is obviously I didn't understand, I
didn't get to understand the full actual meaning
of it, but I was kind of listening to what you
were saying. And I was like, there's stuff in
here that clearly, you didn't say it out loud,
but I was like, they've clearly looked at the
Bible and they've picked out verses which have
an ambiguous meaning in this context, have an
ambiguous meaning. So they are saying witchy
shit to me. Yeah. So I was really torn between
actually wanting to stop and listen to what you
were saying and kind of try and decode it a little
bit as a way of gathering evidence to kind of
throw questions back at you. But I was torn between
that and my strategy of relentless physical torture.
Yeah. And it was getting that balance right.
So when I was off picking a weapon or filling
the watering can up for the waterboarding, I
was trying to listen to what you were saying,
but I just couldn't. In that moment, I just couldn't
get enough of the meaning to be able to question
you about it. All I could do was, you are blaspheming
and taking the... the word and corrupting it
kind of kind of thing i couldn't get any deeper
than that in that moment and that was really
frustrating for me i know yeah and that was a
big part of the strategy too is i i knew it would
go one of two ways either you would end up stopping
to just listen to it for a few runs to try to
figure out what i was saying yeah which would
buy me some time or that you wouldn't do that
and therefore would be really frustrated that
you weren't able to examine the clue because
you had too much going on yeah so it was like
either way It was a good little attack on you.
Yeah, it was really, really clever. Really clever.
And, like, you know, just the level of thought
that went into the planting of the clues and
the use of the number eight, because you changed...
There was one passage which is actually seven
bushels. And you said eight bushels? There's
seven basketfuls of broken pieces from the story
of the feeding of the 5 ,000. It was disciples
picked up seven basketfuls of broken pieces that
were left over after these people had been fed.
And I changed it to eight. And it was particularly
good because the line before that was the people
ate and were satisfied. So I was there like the
people ate and were satisfied and the disciples
picked up eight basketfuls of broken pieces.
I was very pleased with myself. but i didn't
change any other words to make it like fit what
i wanted to say that was the only thing i changed
and that was quite a late decision as well i
was rehearsing it at seven up until about three
days before and i suddenly thought i could put
sneaky eight in there yeah yeah and i thought
there was a chance that i know you you didn't
grow up religious or anything so i figured you
wouldn't spot it but i thought if we had a decent
crowd watching there might be someone in the
crowd who would point out that's not what that
verse says which would have been a risk to my
strategy, but also would have opened up a whole
other wild goose chase for you to then start
intensely questioning me about all of the eight
references, which wasn't actually going to get
you to a confession. It was going to look dodgy
as hell. And if I was trying to prove I wasn't
a witch, it wouldn't have helped my case. But
the only thing that was going to actually be
a win for you was me confessing. So it would
have still been a massive distraction technique.
And I had a bunch of stuff like that. I had a
bunch of things that I could confess to that
weren't being a witch that would buy me some
time. because if i started giving you some information
about chastity you would stop hitting me and
listen yeah um so i had the reveal that her mother
was a witch yeah i had the reveal that um she
had done a lot of wild stuff when she was younger
getting loads of piercings getting tattoos drinking
disrespecting her parents like having a proper
wild phase um i had the reveal that she wasn't
a virgin as well which came quite late in the
game um and you know that she had slept with
loads of men loads of women didn't know how many
all of this kind of stuff So again, it was that
breaking in layers thing. It's like anytime I
feel like I'm going to confess, I'm going to
give a piece of information. It'll cause a little
bit of role play, a little bit of a distraction.
I'll stop getting hit for a minute. It'll give
me a breather and it gets rid of that impulse
for me to shout, I confess. Yeah. So I had quite
a lot of fun with that as well. Yeah. That was
great. Yeah. Was there any that you didn't use?
No mix. I had considered having one in there
that Chastity had cheated on Jeff and I, but
I scrapped it. Not because I didn't. end up wanting
to use it in the scene but because it didn't
fit the character the more i got to know her
yeah like i'd initially thought maybe chastity
has always just been out for jeff and i and has
wanted to fuck him over and as i got to know
her better it's like no she genuinely has made
the mistake of her life falling in love with
a witch finder and actually really does love
him and is devoted to him and yeah sees what
she's doing is trying to free him so it wouldn't
have fit into her character to have cheated on
you right so i got rid of that yeah that's fair
that's fair So you went through all of them.
Yeah. You did all of your confession, non -confession
confession. Yeah. And then did the confession.
Yeah. And it's how I really knew I was in trouble
because I was getting through them so quick.
Yeah. I kept having to use one because I just
couldn't sustain it. Yeah. That's fair. Well,
yay for that. Yeah. So that was our strategizing.
Yeah. So if we jump forward a little bit, the
day of the interrogation, we woke up at about
half five a .m. Yeah. How was that for you, Mix?
That was terrible. And I had a passionate hatred
for a previous version of me that had decided
that it would be a good idea to post in the Kinky
Camping group that we are doing a witch trial
and that we invite people to join us in the witch
trial. And I laid out what we'd agreed about,
where it would start, where it would move to
and what would be happening. And a day and a
time. obviously because we'd agreed when we were
going to do it. And in the moment, when I posted
that, I thought that would be a really good idea.
At half past five on the Thursday morning, it
was the worst fucking idea I've ever had in my
life and I hated myself. And I did think that
at the time you posted it, you said, would you
be okay with it? And I was like, yeah, absolutely.
Huge fucking exhibitionist here, love it. But
you are going to regret that. And you were like,
oh, I don't think we'll get that many people.
It'll be like maybe 10 people maximum. There's
going to be lots of other stuff going on. And
I was like, this is a pretty cool scene. This
is a scene I would drop everything to go and
watch. Are you sure? And you're like, it'll be
fine. It'll be fine and posted it. And then it
did seem to get quite a lot of interest. Yeah.
And then people were telling their friends and
gathering their friends and being like, let's
go yell some abuse at a witch. Yeah. And I think
you realised what you had released from its cage.
Yes. But no, I woke up on Thursday morning. I
don't think I was having an actual panic attack,
but I don't think I was far off. No. Just the
whole thing felt like it was too much. Like we'd
never done... We've never done roleplay before,
and this was going to be our first attempt at
roleplay. Yeah. Stupid idea. You know, I couldn't
remember anything. I couldn't remember... really
basic things about what we said was going to
happen at each stage i couldn't remember the
things that i had thought about in terms of how
i wanted it to to flow within that framework
that we'd we'd we'd agreed um i was terrified
of the anybody watching it you know kind of and
i think on two levels as well on the one hand
just the general fear of being perceived and
my my nervousness around any kind of exhibitionist
play even in that environment that we were in
um but also that nagging fear that i still have
which does not have any truth to it as far as
i can see or any justification that doing something
that physically intense would expose my lack
of ability as a sadist yeah and actually people
would look at it and go this is unsafe and dangerous
yeah And either that would be the view that people
take away from it or somebody would intervene
and go, I need to stop this because this is dangerous.
So all of that was just swirling around in my
head and I just couldn't focus on anything because
I deliberately not planned the interrogation
part in a lot of detail beyond the strategy that
I'd come up with. I wasn't like, I'm going to
do this and then after 10 minutes, I'm going
to do this. And then after 15 minutes, I'm going
to do this. I didn't do that. because I think
that's what screwed me up in the first one, partly.
But not having that was terrifying, because it's
like, well, what if I forget? What if I run out
of ideas? What if I can't improv? Stuff like
that. So I was in a bit of a state. You really
were, yeah. On the Thursday morning. And you
did your best. You were very supportive and helpful.
And, you know, when I went off to get coffee,
I bumped into a couple of people that we know,
a couple of pals, and kind of shared with them
that I was feeling a little bit. And they said
some things which were really reassuring and
really helpful. Did not go in at all. All I could
hear in my head was, you're going to fuck this
up and it's going to be rubbish. And you're shit
at this. Don't do it. So I came very, very close
to saying, I can't do this. We need to stop and
not do it. Yeah. Even during the preparation
kind of time. So we got up, we had coffee, we
sorted ourselves out sort of thing. And while
you were becoming chastity, I went and collected
nettles because we had nettle play, nettle stuffing
on the list. I took everything up to where we
were going to do the interrogation. So I took
a bag of stuff to do mean things to you. I took
the water for the waterboarding up there. left
a little sign saying which trial here at 11 30
don't steal our stuff so i was going through
the motions of doing all of that absolutely convinced
that i would get back to the tenants i can't
do this yeah and kind of making my peace with
that as i was doing it as well going well i tried
i gave it a go gave it my best shot and i had
no idea it was that bad i obviously knew at 5
30 in the morning when you were pretty much having
a panic attack that things were pretty bad but
after we talked for about half an hour you did
seem to calm down a lot and i'd sort of said
to you at the time if you don't feel like you
can do this you do not have to do this it's really
important that we both go into this fully consenting
to it um it's important that we both enjoy this
if you if you are not going to enjoy it we're
not going to do it but i also said that i thought
you would really regret it if you did decide
not to i thought you know in a few hours time
they're going to be kicking themselves and because
of it being quite an intense and very public
scene, it's not the kind of thing we could have
just gone, well, fuck it, we'll do it tomorrow,
because people who'd been actively avoiding the
areas we were going to be in might have then
seen stuff they didn't want to see. People who'd
wanted to be part of it might have missed out
because they had other plans, so it was like,
it is kind of now or never, and you're going
to kick yourself if you don't do it. And then
you seemed to calm down, and I was like, oh,
what I said worked, and I didn't realise you
still had all of that noise in your brain and
were still considering pulling out, so I just...
potted around becoming chastity and yeah yeah
looking forward to the scene and worrying about
you a little bit i was worried that if you were
still having some of that anxiety going into
it i didn't think that you weren't going to do
it but i thought you might do it and end up with
really bad drop or end up having to sort of nope
out half an hour in yourself yeah which wouldn't
be you know i wanted to win but i didn't want
to win by default because you had a panic attack
mid -scene and had to stop that's not that's
not a win no So, yeah, I was a little bit worried
about you. And actually, that stopped me from
remembering to be worried for myself, which was
spectacularly stupid. Yes. Self -preservation.
All part of the tactic. Yeah. But other than
that little bit of worry for you, I had a pretty
chill morning. So I was. Too excited to eat.
I didn't really feel nervous, but I felt so excited
I couldn't eat, which in hindsight might have
been a little bit of nervous energy. And I was
constantly thinking I should really eat something
because this is going to affect my pain threshold.
But I just couldn't. So I threw myself into getting
ready. I had my good Christian woman outfit that
I bought specially. I had this white blouse with
a high neckline and long sleeves. We took my
collar off, which we very rarely do. So that
was great for getting in the headspace. And I
was wearing a crucifix necklace and I had an
ankle length long. blue skirt that i was wearing
and my sensible walking boots because i'd be
getting dragged around through the woods um I
sort of pinned my hair up that looked very kind
of just very good girl hair. Yeah. I took my
amazing. Thank you. I took my ear tunnels out
as well, partly so they wouldn't end up getting
slapped halfway across the forest and partly
because I didn't think chastity would wear them.
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I got all done up. And
then our original plan had been that we might
spend an hour or two in character in the morning
as a way of sort of easing into it. But because
you were nervous, you said, like, let's just
get in character. you know 10 -15 minutes before
the scene starts yeah um so i respected that
and continued to be myself with you but anytime
i was wandering off and chatting to friends i
was being chastity yeah i was going up to people
and being like oh god has blessed us with such
beautiful weather today yeah i love being a good
christian woman and praying and going to church
and everyone was absolutely creased and loving
it yeah and i heard i heard some of that when
i was knocking around the tent yeah getting ready
for things it was yeah it was it was fun to it
was fun to listen to um that was quite i think
that was in a weird kind of way helpful as well
hearing you interacting with other other people
around the tent um almost like oh shit too late
now in it you know it started yeah um but you
look great you did a really good job of of like
this this good christian woman I mean, it was
all stuff from Amazon, wasn't it? But like at
a distance, it did look pretty good. Yeah. As
a, you know, what someone in that era might have
looked like. Like the overall vibe. Yeah. It
was a cross between like olden days outfit and
like a modern Mormon. Yeah. It was like in that
sweet spot between the two. Yeah. Yeah. The shoes
were my insistence though. Yeah. yeah i'd been
gonna wear some sandals or something and then
i'd said like oh you could make me take my shoes
off and walk over the gravel barefoot and you
were like no because if you break your toe on
the way to the interrogation i'm gonna have to
stop and i was like you don't have to stop use
it and you're like no i'm going to stop so you
made me wear sensible walking yeah i need you
to get up to the spot where we're doing the interrogation
in one piece relatively speaking yeah um so yeah
while you were doing that And I was having my
mild panic attack. I got changed into mine, which
was a lot more straightforward. It was a bit
of a cooler day. So I was wearing long black
trousers and a black T -shirt, which felt kind
of ivy for what we were doing. Yeah. You're really
hot in all black, so I was on board with that.
Yeah. I think the only slightly disappointing
thing about my outfit is that because the trousers
I was wearing were cuffed, you could see the
gap between the top of the trousers and the trainer
socks that I was wearing, which I just object
to. on principle yeah i hate seeing that so that's
what i see when i look at the pictures yeah you
can see the gap between my trousers and my socks
that's not what i'm looking at in the pictures
i'm looking at the like throbbing vein in your
temple yeah and like your jaw all set really
angry it's like i'm gonna kill this witch i'm
like yeah yeah yeah um but then i had this moment
in the tent Like, I'd taken something to use
as evidence. I knew you were going to plant evidence
or there would be clues for me to find. But I'd
taken something as well, with your permission.
Took a book of sigils that you'd done for various
reasons. And that was something that was on the
list of things that I was allowed to take. So
we went through all of the things that are on
your altar in our bedroom. And I said, right,
what are the things that have to stay here? And
I cannot take it. You pointed to the thing. And
everything else was fair game. Yeah. And immediately
when you did that, I saw the book. That's the
kind of thing. Very incriminating. Yeah, very
incriminating. But it's also the kind of thing
that Chastity would have. In my head, I was like,
yeah, that would be what she would have. Because
they were all positive things. Yeah. And there
was that kind of innate goodness to her. Yeah.
I think so. That's why I took that. But it was
when I was in the tent and kind of having that
moment of, okay, so I've got the evidence now.
They're out there doing their chastity thing.
Being a good Christian woman. And everybody around
you was chortling about that. And kind of had
that moment of, if I'm going to do something
like this, this is the place to do it. Because
where else am I going to feel safe enough to
do it? Yeah. You know, if I can't do it here.
I won't do it anywhere because there's nothing
like this place, this environment that is being
curated and created where you can do this kind
of thing. So it's kind of now or never, really.
That was kind of in my head. I then just thought,
fuck it. Literally, like, fuck it. And absolutely
screamed witch. Yeah. Loudest I've ever shouted.
louder than i should have definitely louder than
i should have louder than i thought i was capable
of just screamed witch and then we were away
which was just bonkers yeah so it was about 15
minutes before the scene was due to start you
were hanging around and that was the time we'd
agreed to get into character so i sat down in
one of the camping chairs without asking first
because chastity doesn't We don't have protocol.
And then I started whispering at you in Good
Christian Woman. And I saw you a little bit panicked,
but also like, yeah, yeah, we're doing the thing.
And you sort of disappeared off into the tent.
and one of our friends turned up who had agreed
to take some pictures and videos of the scene
for us so we could look back at it afterwards
with this being a kinky camping event she was
dressed in a sexy cow outfit yeah um and so i
was chatting to her in character as chastity
and uh talking about how oh this uh campsite
that me and jeff and i have chosen for our wholesome
engagement trip together it's full of a lot of
godless sinners wearing very unusual things i
mean no judgment to you of course dear but i
do hope you find christ she was cracking up yeah
because that's obviously not me normally i'd
literally been naked on the campsite the day
before um so i was like in character while you
were pottering in the tent and the whole time
it was like i could feel you behind me i was
like this is gonna kick off any minute now any
minute now and i was pretty sure that how it
would start would be you yelling which because
i think we talked about that so i was like either
i'm gonna hear a really loud yell anytime now
or something else awful is gonna happen yeah
and i don't know exactly when it's gonna be because
i'd taken my watch off and got rid of my phone
in preparation so i didn't even know if we were
on time or anything um and then yeah you i had
never heard you shout so loud there was a little
bit of shouting in the first interrogation but
you had to limit it a bit because we're in a
house yeah um so i jumped out of my skin And
you burst out of the tent with the chain manacle
set that you were going to be using to arrest
me and the evidence. You'd found the tarot card.
You'd found the book of sigils that I didn't
know you were going to have. And you were big
mad. Geoff and I, I was big mad at chastity.
Yes. Very, very mad. And this is the point in
the episode where we're just, from my perspective,
we're just making it up now because I cannot
remember. There are whole chunks of this that
are just going to be, I think that's what happened
then. Yeah, I think, because I did quite a lot
of writing my thoughts down as soon as I could
after the scene to write my blog post about it.
So that's... a fairly accurate account like there'll
be the odd word that is misquoted but and there's
definitely stuff i forgot but i don't think i
put anything in there that straight up didn't
happen i hope um but then after i'd written that
we also got the um pictures and videos back from
our friend yeah and there's there's a lot of
the sort of dialogue and chronology of it captured
in that so there's a lot that i think between
us we can reconstruct it but this is our impressions
our memories of the scene based on partial evidence
and yeah a bit of a blur recollection it's it's
going to be accurate to how it feels in our memories
but maybe not exactly how it was to the people
watching it yeah and there's 40 odd people who
can fact check us on that yeah and that's fine
yeah um because it was similar for me in what
happens when i'm speaking publicly so it's part
of my job when i'm not hosting an award -winning
podcast or committing sexual acts against you
I have to do quite a lot of public speaking.
I go to conferences. I go to big meetings. I
talk in front of audiences. And I kind of have
a similar sort of thing happen then as well.
I get really, really afraid. I get really, really
scared of public speaking. And then it comes
time to do it. And I can't nope out of it because
I'm paid to be there. So I just black out. I
disassociate. I stand up. I do the thing. I answer
the questions. I sit down. And then I'm back
in the room. and what happens between those two
points is anybody's guess so it's kind of like
that yeah for me i remember a lot of it quite
clearly i think because i started writing it
as soon as i possibly could afterwards um and
i tend to remember scenes quite well so some
of the order of it might be a little bit scrumbly
for me and you know definitely i haven't memorized
word for word everything that was said and an
hour and 20 minutes but i i remember a lot so
outside the tent the first thing you confronted
me with was the tarot card yeah and all of the
evidence i planted i had come up with plausible
sounding explanations for why chastity would
have it yeah so straight away i was like i found
this lying on the ground in the campsite um as
a good christian woman i was concerned that it
would tempt someone into these ungodly practices
and sins so i took it away and put it in our
tent so i could ask your guidance on how to deal
with it and then i forgot all about it um Pretty
good explanation, I think, for why I would have
a single tarot card. It wasn't even a whole deck.
Yeah. But it was quite hard to explain that to
Jeff and I, because the entire time Chastity
was saying it, Jeff and I kept yelling, Liar!
Witch! In our face. He did not wish to hear the
possible explanation. He did not wish to hear
the explanation. And I think I presented you
with the Book of Sigils as well, didn't I? Yeah,
which I just denied all knowledge of. Yeah. I
remember saying that they were in your belongings.
Yeah. And they weren't. They were in a... that's
the bag that i brought with me um so then i put
you in the in the manacles fairly fairly quickly
didn't they yeah mix and we'd agreed because
they are quite faffy to put on that i would not
fight you on this this was not going to be a
cnc moment i would sit and i would plead with
you and try to convince you and maybe sort of
tense up a bit but i was not going to put up
any fight so i just sat there the whole time
trying to convince you that i wasn't a witch
it's interesting you said that one of the things
you'd sort of thought about in your development
of jeff and i is that he'd got that kind of witch
finder burnout and was really kind of paranoid
and angry and not himself yeah we hadn't discussed
that part of of your character development but
i came to the same conclusion as chastity yeah
that this job was really not good for you so
i started pleading with you like jeff and i are
your your work is making you paranoid it's making
you crazy um i had a really cool line that was
something like uh you spend so long chasing the
devil you have lost sight of what is good yeah
which was not when i practiced that just came
out that was cool that was cool but none of the
pleading did me any good at all jeff and i was
not hearing it no no So I change you up in the
manacles. And that was the, I think that was
probably the most awkward part of the scene.
Yeah. Because it just takes fucking ages to put
those manacles on. They're really, really faffy.
Yeah. I think that was probably the only time
that I was like negatively aware that we were
being watched. And I don't, other than yelling
at you, I don't think I said very much to the
people who had gathered at that point. And I
could tell that you were sort of running out
of things to say to fill the time while you were
chaining me up. So I made sure to keep. keep
engaging with you by saying something you could
react to it was funny there were a couple of
points where you were like silence witch and
I would stop talking because it's like yeah chastity
would just shut up now and then I could see you
getting anxious and it's like no silence witch
is no use right now so I would start with some
excuses and some pleading with you and some bleating
at you about how we have prayed together today
I'm a good Christian woman and then that would
set you off again and we kept it running we kept
it going so yeah got you into the manacles made
you stand up forgot to lock the tent which i
styled out to be good yeah i started kind of
pushing you towards the hub and i thought oh
no i need to lock the tent um i can't remember
what i said i said something like this excuse
me a moment while i lock this house to protect
it from this that is exactly what you said yes
and then you couldn't i think you like dropped
the key and couldn't find it for a second and
someone in the crowd showered the witch has magicked
it away and i just stood there going no i didn't
do it it wasn't me and then you marched me off
to the hub yeah i had a bell like one of those
proper old school bells which was really cool
yeah um and we have a um a paddle which is basically
a copy of the new testament on a stick yeah somebody
has glued together an actual copy of the new
testament and then drilled into it and put a
stick on it. So I was using that to kick you,
to make you move, and to punish you for your
devilish ways. And the crowd really started to
gather on that walk over to the hub and just
got louder and angrier. everyone like most of
these people are my friends and some of them
didn't know me but everyone who did know me are
people that like me yeah and they were all like
out for blood like loads of accusations flying
loads of booing uh the sexy cow was mooing instead
of booing which was a nice touch um but yeah
everyone accusing me um the sexy cow accused
me of having turned her into a cow yep um one
of our friends turned up uh uh tom tom from insert
here kink yeah turned up in lingerie and cat
ears and a butt plug tail and announced that
i had turned him queer yes which i mean if that
was the case i'd done a very thorough job done
a really good job but it was that sort of thing
that that kind of helped me to to start to engage
with the people around us so i was walking along
with you hitting you with the bible ringing the
bell we found a witch we found a witch um And
then Tom's partner, Kay, said they turned them
queer. And I kind of echoed that back to them.
They were ringing the bell. She turned them queer!
Full volume as well. Yeah. So that little walk
to the hub was quite good because they were all
behind me. I could hear them booing and jeering
and shouting and stuff like that. And it kind
of helped get me into it. Yeah. Was it helpful
for you that they were all on your side mix,
given how nervous you were? Yeah, but I think
I expected that. Yeah. Because we talked about
this, didn't we? We didn't specifically say.
When I posted the thing advertising it, which
I still regret, I was inviting people to come
along and boo and jeer and throw accusations.
I didn't specifically say, or you can support
the witch. Yeah. So people kind of took me at
my word, I guess. It would have been an interesting
social experiment if we'd said turn up and pick
a side. yeah um but i think it was really good
for my headspace that no one was on my side because
i love a bit of public humiliation bit of bullying
bit of emotional masochism yeah and i i wondered
if maybe it was helpful for yours like if it
would have been more difficult for you if the
crowd had been partially against you and trying
to say no let chastity go she's innocent if that
would have made it more difficult or if you could
have still bounced off that. No, I think I still
would have bounced off that because there was
another one of our friends had thought about
saying something. I remember this one. She said
afterwards, she told us that she'd considered
saying, oh, I know she's a witch. I saw it in
my tarot cards this morning. Yeah. Which would
have been fucking hilarious. But she didn't because
she was like, I think Jeff and I is going to
get me if I do. Yeah. And I think that's what
I would have done. In a way, I was kind of sad
that they didn't in the end. Totally understand
why they didn't. require people to to say anything
at all but i think if she had i would have been
like there would have been a moment of levity
in it go right you're next yeah so i walked you
along to the main hub so the most public part
of the entire site yep right in the middle where
the fire pit is viewed by from everywhere where
the organizer of the event has his little outdoor
office set up so he was probably there tapping
away replying to messages watching it as well
yeah yeah it's where the coffee station is it's
where all of the activities take place it's where
people gather so ridiculous place to go and that's
where we did like the biggest bit of crowd work
i suppose and despite everything that i've just
said about not wanting to be perceived and not
enjoying public speaking and stuff like that
i really enjoyed that and i could tell you were
really enjoying it while you were so into it
and me too like how was that for you to tell
us how you experienced that bit yeah it was incredible
i absolutely loved it mix i was surprised how
quickly it stopped feeling like a performance
and started feeling very real i think it helped
you were hitting me really hard with the bible
yeah like we've played with that before and it's
usually like it's a little bit slappy but it's
not a toy i find hard to take yeah but with no
warm -up being shouted at and you hitting me
probably about as hard as you could with it yeah
it was it was a different level um you know i
was visibly bruised before we even got fully
into that central hub yeah um so i was in a lot
more pain than i'd expected to be that early
in the scene and i absolutely loved the the reaction
of the crowd and stuff it really helped with
my headspace but what it specifically helped
with was i felt genuinely humiliated and intimidated
by it yeah um and there was a lot of humor in
it you know much as it was at times a really
serious scene we had said we were absolutely
fine with people going a bit silly and ridiculous
with it yeah um partly because that's just the
nature of a lot of our friends and partly because
i think that actually adds something to it like
a lot of the real witch trials it was absolutely
ridiculous accusations it was completely unhinged
paranoia um so though the tone of what we did
will have been quite different the level of ridiculous
things i was being accused of actually was probably
pretty accurate yeah um because of course i hadn't
turned anyone into a cow i did not turn anyone
bisexual you know um there was someone uh who
was camped near us who'd got a sort of full head
deer mask i assume for another scene they were
doing who came running in at a her way through
all these accusations and she like ran into your
view As a deer, like making these sort of like
horrified squealing noises and pointing at me.
And her partner popped up and went, she turned
my wife into a deer. And it was just like ridiculous.
But also it was this wall of noise coming at
me from all directions. And it was genuinely
quite scary as well. And the humour didn't take
the fear out of it. It sort of would break the
tension. And then that would make the tension
building back up even worse again. Because I
knew that however completely ridiculous these
accusations were, Jeff and I was taking them
completely seriously and all it was doing was
making the case against me worse and worse and
worse and guaranteeing that nothing I could say
was going to get through because it didn't matter
how good my justifications were to Jeff and I
he's just seen a woman who's been turned into
a deer another who's been turned into a cow someone
with a tail growing out of his butt like it's
not looking good for chastity no um and I really
enjoyed the the shift in tone that We went through
in that scene as a couple because we'd agreed
Chastity and Jeff and I were a couple. This wasn't
a random witch finder going after a random woman.
This was very much Jeff and I has discovered
this shit where he lives. And so there was a
part where we'd taken my engagement ring off
for safekeeping because we knew I'd be scrabbling
around with my hands on the floor. But we started
the scene with me wearing your engagement ring.
And then you dramatically took it off me during
that. that very public part of it and um ended
our relationship and said you know i i take back
my betrothal i will not marry a witch and snatched
it off me and put it back on yourself for safekeeping
yeah um but like that was such a dramatic emotional
moment that we both fully committed to and then
it was after that point that chastity realized
like she was not going to be able to reason with
jeff and i and sort of became more defiant and
was like i will give no false confession if you
intend to torture me then so be it but i am no
witch And that was when you had the torture,
you say. Yeah, yeah. That sounds like a good
idea. Yeah, yeah. Yes. And I'm ridiculously really
annoyed by that because there is a line from
a film which I really like. It's like somebody
says, I don't know anything about any fucking
robbery. You can torture me all you like. And
somebody says, torture? That's a good idea. I
like that. And that's what I wanted to say. Yeah.
And I didn't. No, but the intent of the reference
was still there. And I think you captured the
vibe of it, even if it wasn't spot on. But you
did sneak in later on a Hamilton quote, I believe.
Yes. The accusations I lay at your feet. Which
I completely missed at the time. And you pointed
out to me later, I was like, you fucking nerd.
Love it. It's from Your Obedient Servant. Yeah.
For the accusations I lay at your feet, good
man. Yeah. I was like, yeah, a little bit of
nerdery. That made me very happy that they got
that one in. But I think it's important just
to take a moment to acknowledge the people who
had gathered. I think they were not on your side.
They were booing you and they were jeering and
they were throwing accusations, but they weren't
cruel about it. It was all very much in light
-hearted, good -natured, getting involved in
the scene. Oh yeah, they were doing exactly what
we wanted them to do. Yeah, and they were absolutely
brilliant. So you had those accusations that
we just talked about. we had our friend lana
who was a guest on the hypnotism episode accused
you of leaving a crow's head outside of their
tent which was actually there there was a crow's
head outside of their tent it's true yeah yeah
and my reply back to that was do you not think
a fox may have left a crow's head outside of
your tent which is what had obviously actually
happened yes because me and lana had both been
told off the day before for trying to touch the
crow's head Me by you, Lana by Edward. We were
both forbidden from touching the crow's head.
Yes. Much to our displeasure. Quite right too.
And there was probably more accusations which
I just cannot remember from that. No, I'm trying
to remember if there were any others. There were
definitely so many others and they were fantastic.
Someone accused me of having turned their hair
purple. Yes, that is true. I think on the walk
up to the interrogation, a few people accused
you of giving them a bad night's sleep. Yes,
a whole series of people. Someone said she gave
me a bad night's sleep. And then someone else
said she also gave me a bad night's sleep. She
also gave me a bad night's sleep, like a whole
chorus of them. And someone also accused me of
having put sand and rocks in their shoes as we
were walking over a big slope of slippery sand
and gravel. Yes. But one of my favourite moments
at the hub wasn't an accusation. It was a funny
comment and how you responded to it. So you were
beating me with the Bible on a stick and I was
crying and falling to my knees and getting back
up and being hit again. All very dramatic and
still not confessing, though. So someone shouted
up, I think you need a bigger spatula. And you
went, there is no bigger spatula than the Bible.
And like shoved the Bible in his face as well.
He stepped towards him and brandished it. Yes,
I was very proud of that. Yeah. That was also
the guy who made the Blackadder reference when
the person with the deer's head came. Yes. I
was like, I'm trying to be serious. But I thought
that was really nice. Those moments of humour
and kind of... playing off the people who were
there yeah i had a lot of fun with that yeah
i'm like stalking around you and kind of not
really standing still when i was yeah getting
up in my face at points and then walking away
from me to address the crowd and then coming
back in really close yeah and there was a really
sort of dramatic moment where i was doing my
whole bit near the end of that that part of the
scene saying i will give no false confession
I will not lie. You know, I am no witch. And
then I said, all the words in my mouth are just.
And you at that time had no idea what that was
going to be. You didn't know that was the beginning
of my ramble. So I was quite proud of myself,
like, slipping that in there. You call me a nerd.
Yeah. We're both big nerds. A scene like this
is just pure fucking nerdery. Yes. Like, people
who aren't familiar with kink would probably
get hung up on all the sort of violence and humiliation
and all those aspects of it and be like, oh my
god, it's so dark. But it's like, yeah, it is,
but that's stuff we do for fun and all the rest
of it was just us being big fucking nerds and
doing a ridiculous extreme larp. Yeah. Yes. Yes,
we did. So we moved on from the hub. So we had
a bit of a walk, didn't we? I kind of shoved
you in the direction of the path, which we both
knew. yeah we both knew where we were going um
but i was kind of shoving you along and i think
you fell over a couple of times as well yeah
it was hard to walk at the pace you were setting
uh with my feet chained together and you were
hitting me as well so i fell over a few times
and then at one point you were pushing me to
go even faster and i went jeff and i had no please
i will fall and you said uh if you were a good
christian god would protect you from your fall
yeah and i turned and looked at you and went
will he protect you from yours and then spat
in your face Which was another of my badass moments.
Spitting number one. But also, I think that was
the first time that I spontaneously kind of broke
the scene a little bit. Yeah. Because I was checking
that the pace was okay, because you had fallen
over. Yeah. And conscious that I didn't want
you to break anything. So I think I checked a
couple of times that the pace was okay. And I
never asked about that, actually. I don't know
whether that was, like, a bad thing to do. No,
I think that was okay, Mix. I responded in character.
I was like, yes, Jeff and I are. So there was
a little bit of hitting you with the Bible. The
route that we took took us past some of the other
camping areas. Yeah. So I made sure to ring my
bell and shout witch and say that we found a
witch and stuff like that. There was a couple
of people kind of in the woods shouting as we
went past, kind of burn the witch sort of. yeah
sort of thing which was quite nice um but i was
genuinely shocked by how many people followed
us yeah we we both thought that a lot of the
crowd would dissipate at that point and go now
i'll not come up into the woods yeah but vast
majority of them did there must have been at
least 30 people who came up into the woods and
stayed to basically the end yeah yeah yeah There
was that moment just as we were leaving the hub
where I felt really bad because somebody had
come along to watch and had kind of brought a
chair with them. And they weren't going to follow
us up into the woods because of their mobility.
They wouldn't have been able to. They chose not
to do that. But just as they sat down, we started
moving off. And all I could hear in the background
was this kind of fairly small voice going, I've
just sat down. Oh, no. I completely forgot to
mention. We knew we'd forget stuff. You also
cut my skirt off me in the hub. Oh, yes. And
that's where you discovered the crystal that
I'd stashed inside me. Yeah. And snatched that
out. And as always, Chastity had a plausible
explanation for everything. Yeah. And you asked,
why? Why is this in there if you're not a witch?
And I was like, oh, I squeeze it for the health
of my pelvic floor so that on our blessed wedding
night, I could please you better. Yeah. Which
Jeff and I was not buying. No. No. But it was
also really hard to keep a straight face because
that was really funny. Yeah. But you didn't check
my front of my underwear, so you missed the jars.
And you'd left my blouse on at that point, so
you hadn't got to the crystals in my necklace.
That came later. Which makes it even more ridiculous
that I didn't find the jars because I was literally
kneeling in front of you. With your hand in my
underwear? Yeah. With my hand in... With my hand
in your underwear. and it right in my face yeah
like i was up close and personal i know i couldn't
believe you didn't spot them no ridiculous there
were a couple of our friends in the audience
who i had told about what clues i'd hidden as
well and they were watching at that point like
go on just look just look but they obviously
they didn't want to like they weren't much as
everyone was joining in with accusations and
stuff they weren't there to give spoilers or
tell us each other's strategies so they didn't
intervene but it must have been so frustrating
to watch as well for the people who knew yeah
evidence right there right there literally right
in front of your face so we got to the woods
uh we got to the little wooden shack in the woods
where you had set up for the interrogation yes
and it was an amazing little spot we found it
the day before um It was like a little covered
shack kind of thing with wooden poles as supports.
So I was kind of shoving you into it. So I'd
set up the acupressure mat by the pole that I
was going to attach you to. And I kind of forced
you down onto your knees and told you to recite
the Lord's Prayer, which you started doing without
making what I called the sacred hand sign. Yes.
Because in that moment, I could not. i still
don't actually know what you would call it no
so putting your hands together to pray i don't
know if there's a word for that yeah yeah but
yeah i started the lord's prayer and you shouted
uh do you not even make the sacred hand sign
so i made the sacred hand sign yeah and restarted
it um but i'd known one of the things we had
planned was that part of it was going to involve
me being forced to recite the lord's prayer so
i'd been practicing it for a good few days emphasizing
every eighth word yeah which was another of my
little sneaky things so i started that um our
father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name
thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as
it is in heaven and you didn't notice no i didn't
notice um but i also didn't manage to sustain
that for very long because then you started hitting
me yeah i think part of the reason why i didn't
notice is that almost immediately you started
wailing on you with the rubber ladder that i
brought with me yeah um you know Because again,
that was something that I'd picked up from my
research was one of the tests that I gave was
to make people recite the Lord's Prayer on the
logic that anyone who is a good Christian person
would be able to recite the Lord's Prayer uninterrupted.
Yeah. And wouldn't stumble over their words.
I don't know whether they beat the accused witches
while they were doing it, but I did. Yeah. So
using the rubber ladder on your back. Which was
horrible. Yeah. So it's a really lightweight
thing. So it wasn't kind of dangerous to your
bones or anything. But really, really stingy.
Really, really whippy. And I have never hit you.
Never hit you there. And never hit you that hard.
Yeah. With it. Yeah, because that's one of the
nastiest things we have that I struggle to take.
So we tend to use that pretty lightly. for play
um it's um the we call it a rubber ladder it's
a strap that is used i think for securing caravans
or caravan awnings or something it's right um
like thin rubber ladder shaped um and getting
hit with that at all but particularly if it's
really hard and particularly sort of over over
bone the way it is over like the ribs in my back
yeah um it literally feels like i'm being cut
it's like fire it's just white hot pain that
really penetrates right down to the bone is absolutely
awful it feels very similar to a lot of the rubber
whippy things that were used i didn't even realize
you had used that until afterwards i thought
that was probably the shambok yeah um but it
was it's that type of pain uh absolutely brutal
and that was the point where i realized like
i'm definitely not going to win this interrogation
i was hopeful i could last a good while but i
was like they're just going to keep doing this
aren't they this is the plan yeah this is this
is the plan yeah so then you uh cut my top off
yes i did and i remember thinking like i'd known
that getting my clothes cut off was going to
be a part of it and i remember thinking like
this shirt is not really protecting me from this
whipping at all no but i am going to feel the
difference when it's off and i did yeah was it
a big difference was it it was yeah mix i think
like probably in in real terms probably not actually
a huge difference but i think just psychologically
knowing it was on bare skin made it hurt more
yeah um because it was only a thin shirt but
it really felt a lot worse but also cutting my
shirt off was also when you discovered the pouch
of crystals around my neck i did yes so i i questioned
you about that i did i mean quite how you expected
me to detect that there were 24 crystals three
lots of eight in there without kind of pulling
them out Counting them. Well, I had told you
that you had my full permission to damage or
destroy any of the evidence on me, which I thought
might give you a hint that you might want to
do that. So I thought you might open the pouch.
I thought if you'd found the little glass bottles
that you might have smashed them to get in and
find out what the sigils were. Yeah. Things like
that. True. But you didn't. But you asked me
what it was. And I said that I didn't know what
it was, but that it belonged to my mother who
had been dead for eight years. Eight years. Eight
years. And so I wore it to honour her. Yeah.
And you were having none of that. You said that
my mother was a witch and so was I. Yeah. Which
was true. Yes. I was thinking about that when
you were talking about your kind of layers earlier
on. Did I reveal one of your confessions, your
not confession confessions before you gave it?
Because you said it was from your mother and
then I accused her of being a witch. Yeah. Yeah,
but I denied it at that point, Mix. So I still
held on to that as a confession for later. But
yeah, like Jeff and I, I was pretty sharp. Immediately
picked up that my mother was a witch due to the
suspicious pouch of hers that I was wearing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which made sense, but you also
could have gone in the direction of being like,
I bet this isn't your mother's, it's just yours.
Yeah. So it was kind of 50 -50 which of those
you would seize onto. But yeah, you immediately
decided that Chastity's mother must have been
a witch. Yeah. but for a reason that is not related
to the scene. So one of the conversations that
we had in that third session was drawing on things
from our actual life. So one of my favourite
accusations that I levelled against you was about
your sourdough skills. Yeah. I was like, how
could you be so good so quickly at sourdough
if not for the devil's influence, that sort of
thing? So I was checking in with you about a
lot of the... ideas that i've had for the things
that i could accuse you of are based on cariesal
yeah not on chastity because i don't know enough
about chastity to be able to do that and i didn't
expect you to have a fully formed biography to
kind of share with me so you you said yes that
was okay so like sourdough skills was one of
them so when you said that the pouch belonged
to your mother it was purely because of who your
mother is like as we have discussed in previous
episodes not the best person not the best person
you do not have a relationship with your mother
so so that's that's immediate that's where my
head went with that so same outcome successfully
accusing your mother of being a witch in the
scene but there was also a part of me that was
just calling your mother a witch so valid and
like uh checking in you with checking in with
you that i could kind of defame your patron goddess
yeah inanna yeah um you advise you advise me
against doing that to your other patron goddess
yeah which is yeah um so inanna is like my primary
patron goddess but i also um pray to areshkigal
really frequently i think it's good to have a
positive relationship with a death god generally
like wise. But I don't think Ereshkigal would
necessarily have the same. sense of humour about
a scene like that. Traditionally, a lot of Inanna's
worship involved a lot of what would probably
now be considered BDSM, so people whipping themselves
on each other to go into an ecstatic frenzy.
A lot of, at least, allegations of, like, group
sex and things like that with priests. A lot
of LGBT people seem to be drawn towards Inanna.
There's a lot of writings about her that talk
about her changing man into woman and woman into
man. So I was like... we're doing some queer
bdsm yeah shit in the woods um yeah i think she'd
be on board with that i think she'd think it
was really cool and actually probably take it
as quite respectful so including a little bit
of blasphemy in my religion i mean it felt fair
given how much blasphemy there was in christianity
that we were doing it's like yeah okay like equal
opportunity blasphemy for all yeah so yeah i
said feel free to insult her which you did which
i did but did not just to be very clear in case
she Yes, Mix. In case she is listening, I did
not insult or blaspheme against Ereshkigal. No.
Because I am very respectful of the deities that
decide where I go in the next existence. Yeah,
we play nice with Ereshkigal. Yes. And then I
think I just hit you some more. Yeah, I mean,
this is the point where I think the order of
things gets a little bit scrambled for us because
we're both very much in it. Yeah. But I know
there was a lot of hitting me with various horrible
whippy things. Yeah. all over as well because
i would you sort of hit my back and then i would
lean back and put my back up against the post
so you couldn't get it and you would whip my
thighs and then i would lean forward to cover
my thighs and you would get my back yeah and
then i would try running around the pole to get
away from you and you would just lash at my legs
as i was going yeah and get my calves and the
backs of my knees and all sorts of horrible things
and i would then go okay but i'd better crouch
down again yeah um and it was just relentless
lots and lots and lots of whipping and yelling
and accusations from you and the crowd throughout
yeah yeah i got you out of the manacles and put
you into a pair of police cuffs didn't i and
i had you at very at different points in this
you know i either had you kind of cuffed around
the pole so that you were facing it yeah With
your hands in front of you. And then there was
a period where I swapped you around and you had
your hands behind you. Yeah. Yeah. So the bulk
of the scene, my hands were in front of me and
you did that for the whipping. You did that for
the waterboarding, which is the next thing we
can talk about. And you did that for the stuff
involving your horrible, unhealthy piss. Yes.
And then you switched me to hands behind my back
for some beating the fronts of my thighs and
the stomach slapping, which came a little later
in the process. Yes. So the next thing was the
waterboarding. Yes. Which is the most intense
version of waterboarding we've done, I think,
including the first interrogation. Yeah. Yeah,
I would agree, Mix. Yeah. So you were, I think
I had you standing up for most of it, to be fair,
although some of it was on your knees as well.
I was mostly on my knees for it, Mix. I think
you tried to start it with me standing up and
then I tried to dodge away from it by going onto
my knees. So you came down to my level. Yeah,
yeah. I say it felt really intense for me. But
like normally we would use the watering can with
the little sprinkly spout on it. That wasn't
getting the result that I wanted. So I kind of
pulled the spout off, pulled the little sprinkly
spout off and just did it out of the watering
can. Yeah. Which meant that it was much faster
than it normally is. Yeah. I don't think I did
it for much longer than I normally would. No,
I think similar timeframes. And because I was
somewhat upright for it, it wasn't the most intense
angle for it. The psychological element of it
being in an interrogation scene, the water coming
harder and faster like that was a lot harder
to breathe through. It felt really intense and
really nasty. Just to note as well, the entire
time all of this was going on is I'd been doing
my insane monologue. So from after about the
third repetition of the Lord's Prayer, I decided,
fuck that. I'm not continuing to do that for
you. So you shouted in my face, pray. And I made
direct eye contact and started my monologue.
All the words in my mouth are just, none of them
is crooked or perverse. And you got this look
on your face like, the fuck is this? Yes. And
then I continued that through the whipping and
I continued it through a fair chunk of the waterboarding.
I couldn't do it while you were actually pouring.
But every time you put the cloth over my face,
I would just be there muttering my little monologue
away to myself. And then I would stop. to hold
my breath yeah breathe as best as i could through
the waterboarding and as soon as i cleared the
water out my nose start up again yeah you were
very frustrated by it i was there was a moment
when you started doing that where i was actually
frustrated with you because i was like you said
you wouldn't do this and then i then very quickly
remembered that you had been quite specific in
what you had said you wouldn't do you wouldn't
use silence and you wouldn't use songs yep And
I was like, you little fuck. You absolute little
shit. I'm going to make your life a fucking hell
for this. And you did. I did. But like for a
brief moment, I was really annoyed. I was like,
they said they wouldn't do this. Yeah. And it
really threw me off. And then I remembered. fuck's
sake i was sneaky i was very specific well don't
you were really clear that yeah i think that
was the the bit and i kind of snapped myself
out of it really quickly like i was like fine
okay this is this is what we're dealing with
because you had been really clear with me yeah
and i hadn't asked any follow -up questions i
was like no this is partly on me but fuck's sake
next interrogation i'm memorizing the entire
script of b movie Are you going to get faster
every time they say the word B? No, I get faster
every time you hit me. But like those videos
of the Eurovision songs where the Moldovan one
speeds up, gets twice as fast every time they
say the word Moldova. Yeah. so yeah just on that
as frustrating as it was it was also really impressive
that you were able to keep going with that like
i didn't obviously i didn't remember everything
that you'd said but it seemed to there was a
couple of points in it which really stuck in
my head so like the goats and the horns a bit
about oil and honey olive oil olive oil and honey
kind of stuck out to me and they seemed to be
coming around at about the right time If that
makes sense? Yeah. It seemed like you were going
through the whole thing and then starting again.
So every few minutes I would hear olive oil and
honey or goats in the horns kind of stuff. I
was like, Jesus Christ. Really committed to the
bit, which was intensely annoying, but also really
impressive. And I did also interact with you.
I think I would have felt like it was... harsh
on you and detrimental to the scene if i had
just done my monologue and nothing else once
we got up to the interrogation yeah so i would
break from it to talk to you and there were points
of it where just by luck the point i got to was
really relevant to what you were asking me yeah
there was a part where you were interrogating
me about my sourdough skills and i got to the
olive oil and honey it was um uh land with wheat
and barley vines and fig trees pomegranates olive
oil and honey and as i got to that you like hit
me and i sort of stumbled over it and so you
went where'd you get your sourdough skills whack
and i went olive oil and honey yeah it's like
it just fit um And there was definitely a couple
of points where we'd been sort of arguing back
and forth about your godly mission and me undermining
it and all of that. And then I would pick up
my monologue where I was and I would get to the
wickedness will not release those who practice
it bit. And I would make direct eye contact with
you. There was a part where you sort of tried
more of a pleading tactic and were like, think
about the love we have for each other, Chastity.
How could you betray me like this? Just be honest
with me and I will understand. And I launched
into the, I am not commanding you, but I want
to test the sincerity. of your love bit and it
was just really annoying yeah and then there
was piss and then there was piss um but before
we get on to that one of the really cool things
was after this after we'd finished obviously
some people came up to us and were talking to
us about it um but somebody come up to us and
they are one of those people that i describe
as proper people yeah So you're trying to encourage
me to embrace the fact that we host an award
-winning podcast and people recognise us and
they know who we are and stuff like that. And
I go, yeah, but there are proper people here.
I'm not proper people. But one of them is someone
who I know does some quite intense things and
they were watching the scene and they were saying
afterwards, they were watching the scene and
it was really good. And then I saw you pick up
the bottle of water and I was like, oh my God,
they're going to do waterboarding. Oh my God.
They're really excited for it. Because that's
something that they do and they do some really
quite intense stuff as well. That's actually
really cool. You are someone who is a proper
person on the scene who does proper things. And
you're saying something that I've done. You were
excited to see it. Yeah. There was a lot of moments
in the interrogation where the crowd reaction
just made it so cool. Like, when you picked up
the water, there was a big sort of, ooh, from
around the crowd, because they were like, we
know where this is going. Yeah, yeah. All of
their stuff. which is coming up with the piss
got some great crowd reactions and a lot of my
defiant moments a lot of the moments where i
would sort of refuse to respond to your questioning
and do my monologue people seem to enjoy that
um there was one point where i was doing my monologue
and you were clearly getting very sick of it
and you were like you are blaspheming you are
praying to your pagan god and i was like heretic
do you not recognize the bible and things like
that and people like oh yeah yeah yeah spicy
yeah um Talking of spicy, let's talk about piss.
Yes. So I had such a grand plan for this and
it didn't quite come off, but I had bought two
identical water bottles. I had filled one with
actual water and one with my first dehydrated
pee of the day. So there was quite a lot of it
because it was my first pee of the day, literally
the first pee of the morning after I'd woken
up. But it was quite dark. And it had a bit of
a head on it. Yeah, it was vile. And I did that
at 7am. And we started the scene just before
11. And I reckon that was probably about 11 .45ish.
So nearly five hours. Yeah, and a good chunk
of that had been in a hot tent and then in the
hot sun. Yeah, it was not pleasant. It was deeply
unpleasant. But I made you drink it? Well, I
put it into your mouth. I didn't make you drink
it. You tried unsuccessfully to make Chastity
drink the piss. Yeah. why don't you tell us what
happened yeah um so the first uh amount of it
that was squirted into my mouth i i just choked
on it because it was awful i quite like a little
bit of piss play but that was a bad piss um so
i just sort of choked on it and retched and spluttered
it all over myself and splashed a little bit
on you unintentionally in the process and thought
ah ah so then you slapped me around a bit dumped
some over my head generally were not pleased
that i had not swallowed the piss announced to
the crowd that i was uh rejecting your generous
gift of water yeah um and then forced the bottle
back into my mouth and so that time i very deliberately
did not fight you on it and just took it but
didn't swallow got a mouthful of it and then
just deliberately splattered it all out as widely
as i could yeah got your face got your shirt
and then you tried again and i tried to jet it
and i missed your face with the jet but i got
like all down like the lower half of your shirt
and pants yeah so you were just basically covered
in piss yes and so was i but it was like yeah
now you're down to my level yes and the crowd
enjoyed that i enjoyed it marginally Yeah, the
crowd loved it and Chastity loved it. Yeah. But
I think I did that a couple of times. I didn't
use up the whole bottle in one go. No, you came
back to it a few times. I came back to it a couple
of times, including just dumping whatever was
left in the bottle over your head. Yeah. And
same with the waterboarding. That came up two
or three times. You would waterboard me a bit,
dump piss all over me, beat me, like kind of
on a cycle for a while. Yeah, yeah. Until you
ran out of piss and water. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah,
one of my ideas was if there was going to be
relative periods of calm, was I wanted water
bottles that were completely opaque. Yeah. So
that I could, what I planned to do was drink
from one and then put it back behind the bag
with all of our stuff and then pick the other
one up and offer it to you. Yeah. As a drink.
And then when you drank it, you would realise
that it was, it was pee. Yeah, I've got to be
honest, even if you'd had opaque water bottles,
I don't think I would have trusted you for a
second. Right. Because I know how you think.
It would have also been hilarious if you'd done
that and got the bottles mixed up and had a big
swig of your own piss. Yeah, yeah. I was very
conscious of which one was which. And what broke
it for me was a couple of bits where I felt like
I was starting to lose the thread. Not in control,
but starting to lose the thread a little bit.
And I was worried that I am going to pick up
the wrong one here. So I put the water bottle.
above your head yeah so i knew where it was yeah
so you didn't end up drinking piss by mistake
so i didn't end up accidentally drinking piss
yeah um but i think part of the problem was that
they weren't completely opaque you could kind
of see through them, so you could see the colour
of them. And afterwards, one of our pals suggested,
you could have put Lucozade in the other one.
And then it would have been a more close colour,
yeah. It would have been a closer match. I was
like, yeah, that would have been a good idea
if I wasn't having an existential crisis while
I was preparing for this. That would have been
a good idea. Yeah. But it was still great. It
was still deeply unpleasant. Yeah. I made sure
it was unpleasant for both of us, but it was
still unpleasant for me too. Yes. Yeah. And all
while this is going on, the crowd are being brilliant.
Yeah, they were brilliant throughout. Lots of
oohs and ahhs, lots of, like, in the quieter
moments where I wasn't saying anything or we
weren't saying anything or whatever, they were
booing and jeering and stuff like that or throwing
out more accusations or words of encouragement
as well. Kay, also from Insert Here Kink, was
just absolutely brilliant. all the way through
absolutely out for my blood yeah terrifying just
constantly all i could hear was k going drown
her kill her torture her burn the witch it's
like all right yeah yeah and they're so nice
yeah they're such a lovely person um but yeah
they were absolutely out for your out for your
blood and they came up with a brilliant brilliant
accusation as well about your tattoo oh my god
i'd almost forgotten that yeah so at one point
possibly while you were having one of your moments
where you slightly lost the thread and run out
of stuff to say to me for a second yeah k from
the audience pipes up uh look look at the tattoo
on her leg is that cthulhu yeah it is not i have
got a tattoo of a bright orange octopus on my
thigh um but mix obviously seized on this and
started whacking it with something and shouting
in my face if this was not your god you would
not mind me hitting it it's like you're hitting
me with a rubber paddle yes i would um but then
you got in my face and said is this your god
and i said no it is an octopus which cracked
everyone up yes and there was lots of that all
the way through so once again another shout out
to the people who came with us and stuck with
us and and and watched it because they really
really made they made a massive difference yeah
to it and despite all of my earlier protestations
actually made it it would have been an amazing
scene anyway but like just the cherry on the
cake the icing on the cake yeah was having them
i fully agree i think it was really good for
both of our headspace it kept the sort of the
tone of the scene moving along it kept us both
with plenty of things to say it was really really
good yeah yeah because i think if i am being
a little bit self -critical i did feel like i
didn't retain a lot of the questioning My perception
is there was less questioning of you than I perhaps
would have liked there to be. I can understand
that, but I also don't think it was necessary.
We both knew, as our characters, what I needed
to do to make the torture stop. Chastity has
been engaged to Jeff and I for some time and
knows what his job is and knows that he will
torture witches until they confess. You had already
made it very clear to me from the start, if you
don't confess, I'm going to torture you until
you do. yeah so you didn't need to really be
asking again and again and i don't think that
would have made me more likely to answer yeah
i think just doing what you were doing and throwing
the accusations at me and trying to sort of verbally
and physically tear me down was the best way
to go about it yeah next you turned me around
put my hands behind my back and slapped me in
the stomach mix as we've talked about from your
from your research From my wholesome research.
I was shocked at how badly that bruised. I was
really impressed. I think it's gone now, but
I had a black handprint on my tummy for a couple
of days. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not going to lie,
I really enjoyed doing that. Yeah. I enjoyed
the whole thing. I enjoy hitting you with the
various whips and stuff. But there was just something
really quite visceral about just fully slapping
you on the stomach. And the noise that it made,
both... the the actual impact on your skin and
the noise that it got out of you yeah which was
just this kind of unholy scream i would like
to do that again mix it was bad but i want to
do it again yeah i thought you might that's probably
a at events not in the house one though because
it really does make me shriek but yeah i There's
just something about it that kind of, it's a
really intimate way of hurting you. It's really
personal violence. I like a lot of punching and
slapping and kicking for that reason because
it feels a lot more personal than using a toy.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Much closer. It has to be much
closer to you. Physical contact, all of that
kind of stuff. So yeah, that really worked for
me. Yeah. Yes. I am having a good time doing
this. and a lot of face slapping as well earlier
in the scene as well there was a lot of face
slapping all the way through but especially once
you'd got me turned around um and you were whacking
the front of my thighs with a paddle the horrible
rubber tire paddle that we call the evil one
yeah um you were slapping me in the stomach and
you did a lot of face slapping then with me stood
up and you sort of holding my jaw right in my
face and then slapping me over and over and over
again like holding me by the hair and slapping
me yeah again that really personal violence like
you could really feel how betrayed jeff and i
was feeling by chastity and how much he wanted
to hurt her personally not just to get a confession
but because he was hurting as well it was like
yeah character stuff it's good it's good uh yes
yes it was and like a lot as well like when we
do when we do face slapping it's kind of usually
a few yeah and i usually kind of string a few
together but it was quite a long sequence of
just constantly slapping you on the cheek yeah
just holding my head still so i couldn't go anywhere
and just battering my face for ages yeah um like
my entire face was bright red on both sides by
the time it was done yeah um and then i got sunburned
so it was really hard to tell which was which
but i think some of the redness from the slapping
probably stayed as well yeah hard to be sure
because i kept falling asleep in the sun that
day yes yeah yeah um when was it that i because
i slapped you on your other because i usually
slap you on your left cheek Yeah. With my right
hand. But you did something and I slapped you
across your other cheek as well. Yeah, I think
it was when I accused you of being a sex pervert,
Mix. Yes. During that part, I called Jeff and
I are out for being a sexual sadist and getting
off on torturing women. And you shouted something
about, I don't torture women, I torture witches.
Yeah. And slapped me really hard across the other
side of the face. Yeah. And that got an ooh from
the crowd as well. Yeah. And I was a bit curious
about that. But maybe it was because it was less
controlled than the other ones because I didn't
have a hold of your face. Normally I would grab
a hold of you to keep your head still. Yeah.
But it was a more spontaneous one with my other
hand as well. Yeah. Unexpected. Surprising. Yeah.
So that was quite cool. Yeah. And then you just
continued hitting me with the black and orange
whip until I confessed. Yes. Basically. So you
would... made your you made your revelations
yes all the way through i can't remember the
exact order that things happened but i revealed
um that my mother was a witch i finally admitted
that that was true but still said i wasn't yeah
um i revealed you at one point demanded that
i confess my sins and i was like my sins i will
i will confess my sins i got tattoos in my youth
i got piercings i drank to excess i disrespected
my mother and father i am not proud of these
things nor am i ashamed to say that i have sinned
because i am human It was very dramatic, but
did me no good. I just got beaten for being a
sinner then. Yes. And you also asked the crowd
if any of them would ever disrespect their parents.
And everyone went, oh, no. Which I find unbelievable.
And then later I admitted to not being a virgin.
And again, got a big ooh from the crowd of that.
Everyone was very judgmental about Chastity's
sexual history. Yeah, yeah. As they should. As
they should. So, yeah, as you say, the beatings
continued. And then you confessed. Yeah. And
we had agreed a very specific thing, hadn't we,
of when you are ready to actually confess, you
would say the words, I confess. Yeah. And then
I would stop. Yes. And give you your moment.
And you did. And my confession was extremely
dramatic. It really was. It was so good as well.
And you... there was some sumerian in it there
was at the very end mix so i don't because it
wasn't something i'd memorized i didn't script
the confession i don't remember it exactly word
for word um but i started off i essentially went
through my whole monologue i'd been doing but
in my own words explaining what i'd actually
been saying all along so i said you follow a
false god with a book of lies but i have signed
my name in her book of truth um i i worship that
which you call the devil i said something about
your god demands sacrifices of animals and children
mike god asks only sacrifice of the self uh then
i went into saying your god destroys and creates
on a whim uh but my god knows that creation and
destruction are all one and the same i talked
about how your god tells people to abstain from
pleasures of the flesh and mine encourages you
to embrace them i specifically i remember saying
your god is the one who threw you out of eden
my god is the sacred serpent who set us free
yeah um and my god knows that too ascend and
discover sacred and hidden knowledge you must
first fall very dramatic stuff yeah um and and
finished off by saying you know i know that i
cannot free you from the wickedness you practice
but i hope by shaking your faith in our love
i can plant a seed that allows you freedom from
your god you could be so much more than this
sniveling servant to an infant god yes such a
dramatic thing to say and then i yelled out which
means lady of largest heart with your strength
my lady teeth could cut flint inanna this is
yours yeah and then you spat in my face i did
again again good grief it is chastity's signature
move yeah Yeah, yeah. I've written some smut
about Jeff and I are in chastity as well. And
she spits in his face in that and all. Yes, she
does. And then that was the end of that part
of the scene. Yes. So about an hour and 20 minutes,
we think. Yeah, from the beginning to the confession
was about an hour and 20. So we reckon probably
just over an hour of the actual torture. But
to be fair, there was torture throughout because
you were beating me from the first minute. Yes.
But the proper torture. The proper torture, yes.
And then we went off script a little bit. Yes.
Because the plan was, as soon as you confessed,
take you back down to the hub and brand you.
But I asked the crowd to depart so that we could
have a moment before we went back down. I think
partly because I think we both expected you to
last. little bit longer yeah and i had immediately
after the confession apologized to everyone for
it being so short yeah um i was really self -conscious
about the fact that it had been short and i felt
like i'd been a bit of a wuss and in hindsight
no i don't because your approach to it was so
different from the first interrogation it makes
sense that i would find it a lot more intense
but at the time i was like we've barely been
up here five minutes it felt a lot shorter in
my head as well yeah um so yeah i I was quite
apologetic because I think you wanted to give
me some reassurance. Yeah, yeah, I think so.
I don't think I was thinking, oh, crikey, that
was really short. They confessed really quickly.
But because time wasn't real, I had no idea how
time had passed. So that part of it felt really,
really quick because it just... Yeah. So it was
important. I felt like it was important to reassure
you and check in. you know do all of that kind
of stuff but we had had a couple of um small
safety incidents as well yeah um you had got
a cramp at one point so i needed to let you stand
up to deal with that which we did entirely in
character as well yeah i said jeff and i i have
a cramp i didn't feel like it warranted using
your real name to get your attention i thought
like just alerting you to an issue would be enough
yeah because i if you'd continued hitting me
then nothing dangerous was going to happen it
was just going to suck um so i decided to put
the ball in your court for that and then you
made a big announcement to the crowd like we
will show the witch some mercy um we are christians
after all and you let me stand up and stretch
for a few seconds before you kept hitting me
which was very very well done in character and
then i um miss aimed slightly yes You were a
moving target. I was very wriggly. But I misshamed
slightly and I caught the side of your boob,
which is incredibly challenging for you. Yeah.
And I was worried that I had hit your nipple.
Yeah. Which would have been a stop to the scene.
More than likely, yeah. That's a hard limit.
So it would have been very hard for me to continue
after that if you had. Yeah. So that was an actual
stop. Yeah. We actually paused and we kind of...
well i don't know what your perception of this
is but i spoke to you as s yeah and i i spoke
to you as carizal then as well because you directly
asked if i was okay to continue obviously chastity
would have been like no release me yeah stop
please so as as uh carizal i wanted to make it
clear i wanted to continue because again that
wouldn't have felt like a win to me yeah if we'd
stopped because i was upset about you hitting
me in the boob yeah that's not a win that's that's
the scene hasn't been completed so i really want
it to continue even though i was pretty close
to breaking point by then it was like no i'm
i'm going ahead with this yeah yeah yeah so we
had a little bit of check -in i obviously i released
you from your cuffs and we had a little bit of
a cuddle and then we went back down to the hub
and we burned the witch we burned the witch we
we branded uh witch into your thigh yeah with
a I think we had a couple of people. Yeah, I
think a lot of the crowd had just fully dispersed
by then, but a few people re -emerged to watch
that, and then more people came to visit us afterwards
to check in and say how much they'd enjoyed watching
it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you didn't feel it?
No, I was absolutely flying by that point from
all the endorphins. You know, compared to everything
else you'd been doing to me, it was a much lower
level of pain anyway, and then because of all
of the chemicals in my brain from being beaten
for an hour. plus um yeah i literally didn't
feel it at all it was like the lightest of pressure
yeah at most um and it was just really nice it
was really cool because for chastity obviously
that was like a humiliation and a punishment
and stuff but we'd already slipped out a character
and for me it was like this is the reward that
i have for completing this scene we'd agreed
that i was going to get the brand no matter what
there was sort of three possible endings to the
scene So I wouldn't have got the brand no matter
what, but there were three possible endings to
the scene, and two of them would have resulted
in me getting branded. One was obviously that
I confessed to being a witch, whether I actually
was or not. If I'd been playing it as innocent,
I would have given a sort of broken confession
of, I'll say anything you want, I just want this
to be done. So if I confessed, I got burned as
a witch. There was a version where you just had
had enough of it and wanted to wrap things up.
And it said, I don't want to listen to your lies
anymore. I am declaring you guilty. And then
I got burned as a witch. And you also had the
option in reserve of if you wanted a hard stop
and you didn't want to proceed with the branding
where you could in character say. I'm sorry,
Chastity, I believe you, I falsely accused you,
I'm not myself, and released me and kind of called
it there, which was the least likely option,
but it was there in reserve. So I knew that more
than likely I was getting branded no matter what,
but it just felt like a really nice treat at
the end of the scene. It's like, this is the
souvenir now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think
because we'd had that break in between, we didn't
kind of go back into characters to do the branding.
Yeah. It felt like this was the payoff. for the
for the really cool thing that we did yeah i
agree and then it was straight into aftercare
mode yeah which was basically you lying on a
blanket with bevo for five hours yeah for anyone
unfamiliar bevo is my three foot tall cow stuffy
who likes to come camping with us and on many
trips actually he likes to be really involved
in things but he loves camping yeah um he he
frequently talks about the horrors he has seen
while camping which compared to nothing else
he has seen in his life yeah but he loves it
he does he does uh so he is my aftercare buddy
for camping and for intense scenes in general
bevo is generally the aftercare assistant if
you've gone to fetch me something you know that
a cuddle with bevo will keep me going until you
get back yeah um and i had quite a lot of drop
but not it wasn't an unexpected drop or like
a negative feeling drop it was just inevitably
if you do something that intense you're going
to kind of crash afterwards. Like I said, I was
flying high on endorphins at the end of it and
I'd had all of these dramatic moments and I'd
been another person and I'd been in loads of
pain and all of this and then suddenly I was
cariesal again and I was sore and achy and tired
and all I wanted to do was lie on the ground.
I had a little bit of a cry the few times I had
to move. Like if I went to the toilet and when
I went for a shower, it was just so much and
I just sort of cried. But it didn't ever feel
like... like a bad reaction or like oh i wish
this wasn't happening it wasn't worth it it was
like yeah if you do something that intense you're
gonna feel it afterwards yeah and luckily you
didn't get much in the way of drop you were tired
you were a bit achy but you were in a position
where you were able to take care of me and i
think probably taking care of me helped prevent
you dropping as well yeah yeah i think so i think
we've talked about that before haven't we it
seems like we never both get significant drop
at the same time yeah i think there's been a
few times when we've both felt a little bit of
of drop following a scene but like when when
you have a really big drop i seem to be okay
yeah and then vice versa and it's almost like
that like you say that kind of okay so now i
need to take care of cariesel so that so i'm
okay because that's my job i think there's an
element of that if one of us drops really hard
first the other one is doing so much aftercare
that sort of fixes them as well but i think there's
an element as well where we drop from different
things i drop hardest from physically intense
play and you drop hardest from psychologically
intense play yeah so it's quite rare that a scene
is going to be equally intense for both of those
yeah um and it's very rare that i would drop
from psychological play at all or if i do it's
either quite mild or it's a really delayed reaction
where for you that'll hit straight after so i
can take care of you in that moment because my
drop either isn't going to be there or it hasn't
hit yet yeah um where physical stuff generally
apart from a little bit of sadist's elbow you're
fine yeah so that's where you can really take
care of me because i i got really cold like this
was hot sunny day i was lying in full sun i got
sunburned um but i was freezing cold and i ended
up putting on a big fuzzy tracksuit thing because
i was so cold yeah um And I couldn't really eat
much that day. We'd planned specific like aftercare
food. We'd got some really nice camping meals,
including a sticky toffee pudding in a pouch.
And I ended up eating that the next day because
I just didn't have an appetite. Again, I think
because of all the adrenaline and stuff, I'd
just gone a bit like shaky and sick. But I had
a really nice day despite feeling, you know,
a little ropey. People kept coming over to chat
to us and tell us how good the scene was. And
that was actually really good for me because
I had that thing of getting in my head and thinking
I should have held out longer. I was a wuss.
about it anyone else would have lasted longer
than me like ridiculous stuff because it was
a really intense scene and i lasted an hour and
20 minutes yeah um because i'd had in my head
i'd probably last at least three hours i was
beating myself up about it and then people kept
coming over and being like i do not know how
you handled that i don't know how you took it
i couldn't have taken that and it was like okay
actually maybe i was a bit of a badass it's fine
yeah yeah yeah you were you were absolutely completely
badass it was unbelievable i couldn't believe
that you took what you took yeah and just kept
going with it it was because i was the one hitting
you i knew how hard i was hitting you yeah like
not far off full force with pretty much everything
yeah that i was hitting you with it's definitely
the most physically intense scene we've ever
done it's the most it's the most physically intense
in the moment even setting aside sort of the
The psychological elements of it and how deep
into my character I got, which heightened the
level of distress because Chastity was so upset
about it all. Even if you just isolated the stuff
you physically did to me in that scene, it's
far more than I've ever taken in a scene before.
The closest to it would be the unhinged whipping
that we did last year where you were hitting
me full force with one of those toys 65 times.
But that scene probably didn't last more than
five minutes. I didn't have to take it for that
long. This one, it was maybe a little bit less
relentless. You know, you weren't hitting me
quite as fast as you were in that scene. but
not far off the intensity and the speed for a
much longer period of time. So I'm really proud
of that. And it's also the most physical pain
I've been in after a scene as well, where everything,
I felt like I'd been hit by a car. I still do.
I've got bruises on my thighs that are literally
black. And this is, we are recording this on
the Tuesday following, so five days. And the
bruises are still getting darker, not lighter.
And I don't bruise. So that is cool as fuck.
Not obviously the point of the scene, but it's
always nice to have something to poke at afterwards.
You very much enjoyed poking my bruises for the
next few days. Yes, I did. Very much enjoyed
giving them a good poke. Which is not something
we get to do often. No, I don't often have any
bruises to poke. No. So no, it was a really nice
afternoon. We just kind of found a spot with
a blanket and laid there. ate some snacks, talked
to some pals. Yep. You got waterboarded again
by the shower. Yes. Yeah, there were two different
shower blocks there and the showers that I normally
go in were full. So I went in the other shower
block, which I had been warned were very aggressive,
but I hadn't realised quite how aggressive. Turned
on the shower and it turned out to be freezing
cold and nearly horizontal with really high water
pressure. And it just blasted me full force in
the face, which after you've just been waterboarded
is the last thing you want. Yeah, yeah. That
might have been part of why I cried in the shower.
Yeah, definitely was. But it got the piss out
of my hair and my hair was so soft after. afterwards
like it's gonna sound really scruffy because
i was dropping and really tired i didn't shampoo
my hair i just rinsed it really thoroughly i
made sure i definitely rinsed it you know a good
few times and got everything out um but my hair
went super soft and cuddly and shiny and stayed
absolutely gorgeous all weekend without me having
to do anything to it um yeah so it's good for
your hair apparently apparently so which is not
what they say no no that scientifically it should
be quite bad for your hair but i've had this
before anytime i get piss in my hair it works
really well yeah um if i rinse it out without
shampooing like the effect is really good so
well there you go you heard it here first yep
hair care tips from don't scare the newbies i
wanted to ask you like because i feel like chastity
has not gone anywhere chastity is living rent
-free in my head um i i have a lot of thoughts
about like chastity's past and if chastity survived
the witch trial what her future looks like because
because we haven't decided sort of in that universe
whether the the burning that we did was just
symbolic and chastity was actually burned to
death or whether that is what chastity went through
as she got a brand and she might still be rattling
around in that universe so i'm thinking a lot
about chastity like she's a real person that
i live with now do you have anything like that
with jeff and i or is he just back in his box
mix uh yeah i think for me he's more or less
back in his box yeah um i think because i didn't
think quite so much about jeff and i as you did
about chastity like of necessity yeah i think
i think my my my character in that is relatively
straightforward to to kind of sketch out yeah
i probably could have done a little bit more
i suppose but like but you're right it was necessity
for me where the more i knew about her the more
i could strategize and the more defenses i had
so yeah yeah i think the like the motivation
of jeff and iris is for me anyway relatively
straightforward so i know he's kind of back in
his box a little bit i guess i am curious about
whether we're you know when we use those characters
again what what they'll do like we've talked
about whether or not we're going to do another
scene with Jeff and I are in chastity if we manage
to get to camping next year so I guess there's
something to think about in terms of so what's
that been like for Jeff and I are in that intervening
period yeah so you'd be excited to be him again
but he's not rattling around in your brain making
loads of noise at the moment yeah yeah yeah whereas
I think you were much more invested in your character
than I was of necessity yeah you know Yeah, I
really like Chastity. I feel like I got to know
her really well, especially during the interrogation.
And yeah, I had a sex dream. Well, a non -consensual
sex dream about Jeff and I are in Chastity the
night after we got back from camping and then
wrote smut about it, which I haven't shared anywhere
other than in a secret place yet. But I may at
some point or I may write more of it because
I really enjoyed getting to inhabit her again.
Yeah. Like writing stuff in her point of view.
So in my version of the canon, Chastity was branded
by Jeff and Aya and then taken away to a prison
for sentencing where she may or may not be executed.
And I fantasized about, dreamed about and wrote
about a scene where Jeff and Aya comes to visit
her in prison and is considering. helping her
but not in a way that will be beneficial to her
in any way like getting her out of prison and
keeping her himself and there's just this love
hate tension between them where the feelings
from both of them are still there desire from
both of them is still there but also they fucking
hate each other all trust has been destroyed
jeff and i are wants to just tear chastity apart
chastity is so angry with him at what he's done
but still wants to save him and i just i love
the fire between them and i want to spend so
much time with those characters but i think that's
the kind of brain that i have anyway like i have
a very sort of imaginative and very visual brain
i always talk about i'm always playing brain
tv to entertain myself yeah and a lot of the
time it's just porn but sometimes it is characters
that i've like written about in the past and
things like that i like to just watch them go
about their lives yeah my brain tv is all chastity
and jeff and i are right now um and i thought
doing some writing earlier today might dial down
the brain tv a little bit but it hasn't now i
just want to write the next scene right so um
i don't know maybe i'll uh you know we've been
inspired by uh sunshine and honeypot to do some
role play maybe i'll be inspired by the episode
we did with ellie sanders to write some dark
romance yeah because there's a whole fucking
novel in those two And we can roleplay every
single scene to help me work it out. Good grief.
I don't think I could do that. That's fair. So
yeah, that was our scene. Yeah. It was amazing.
It was. It was the coolest shit we've ever done.
Yeah, it really was. Just ridiculous. absolutely
ridiculous and and really enjoyed it from start
to finish and so pleased that i didn't mope out
of it at the last minute me too like partly selfishly
because i had a great time but also i'm just
so proud of you for facing that because i know
how intimidating you find public play at all
even just spanking me in a dungeon with three
people watching it makes you nervous yeah and
that was such a ridiculous huge step to take
to face that fear and you did it and you did
it so fucking well yeah like i would have been
proud of you even if you just sort of muddled
through and mumbled a few accusations and then
dragged me off to the woods yeah i would have
still been like you still did the thing that's
awesome but the fact that you didn't you just
fully embraced it and just became jeff and i
in a second and were like almost unrecognizable
from the person i know for nearly an hour and
a half it just absolutely mind -blowing you did
so good and you gave me exactly the insane fantasy
that i had a couple of months ago and then some
it was amazing it was pretty good and you were
you were just incredible like you're exactly
the same your commitment to the bit the way that
you really thought about chastity and the way
that you kind of brought that to life and then
just suffered terribly was was was absolutely
brilliant i am so proud of you for all of it
Thank you. It was really, really good. Where
do we go now? To finish off mix, I was going
to ask if I could do my monologue. Fine. Yes.
I've been annoying them with this ever since
when they're just trying to settle down at night,
when they're in the middle of something else,
just piping up with it. But usually I get interrupted
after about two verses with a shut up, shut up.
Or shut your whore mouth, witch. Yes. Go for
it. All the words of my mouth are just. None
of them is crooked or perverse. How can you say
we are wise for we have the law of the Lord when
actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled
it falsely? Ask the former generation, find out
what their ancestors learned. They have read
from the book of the law of God, making it clear
and giving the meaning so the people understood
what was being read. Have them take a young bull
with its grain offering of the finest flour mixed
with olive oil. Then you are to take a second
young bull as a sin offering. Pharaoh summoned
Moses and Aaron and said to them, Pray to the
Lord to take the frogs away from me and my people,
and I will let your people go to offer sacrifices
to the Lord. He placed the breastpiece on him,
put the Urim and the Thummim in the breastpiece,
then he sent out a dove to see if the water had
receded from the surface of the ground. So there
was great joy in that city, a land with wheat
and barley, vines and fig trees, pomegranates,
olive oil and honey. When you have taken the
city, set it on fire, do as the Lord has commanded,
see to it you have my orders. Will not the land
tremble for this, and all who live in it mourn?
The land will rise up like the Nile, it will
be stirred up and sink like the river in Egypt.
Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground,
I am not commanding you, but I want to test the
sincerity of your love by comparing it with the
earnestness of others, just as they have done
to me since I brought them up out of Egypt, forsaking
me and serving other gods, so they are doing
to you. Just as no one has power over the wind
to contain it, so no one has power over the time
of their death. Just as no one is discharged
in time of war, so wickedness will not release
those who practice it. Amazing. Never speak of
that again. And I think that is us done. Yep.
Bye. See you next time.