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All the words of my mouth are just... Shut up.

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None of them is crooked or perverse. Oh, should

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I be doing the intro instead? Yes, you should

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be doing the intro. Got my memorisations tangled

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up, that's all it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.

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Blah, blah, blah. You're a witch. Welcome to

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Don't Scare the Newbies, a podcast where we talk

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kink, raw and unfiltered. I'm Carizel, a lifestyle

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submissive in a 24 -7 dynamic who likes their

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kink heavy, intense and scary. And I'm S, the

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interrogation -winning dominant who knows how

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to deliver all of the above. And today we are

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going to be talking about our second interrogation,

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The Witch Trial. Oh yes. Witch! So it's really

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good timing that we're doing this episode this

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week, but also we'll potentially provide listeners

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with a little bit of whiplash. Just a bit, yeah.

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Because on last week's episode, we talked to

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Sunshine and Honeypot, who talked to us about

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gamification and role -playing in Kink, and they

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talked about their dynamic, which is really heavily

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influenced by both of those things. And it was

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amazing. It was really, really interesting. We

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recorded it in... early june yeah i think um

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and at the time as listeners will remember from

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last week we said that sounds amazing it's really

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interesting and really kind of great but we're

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not really sure whether we could sustain that

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kind of role playing you know and doing kink

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as as someone else yeah was so anyway this week

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we're going to talk about an interrogation which

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was entirely built around a really detailed role

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play with two entirely fictional characters that

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we created yeah yeah just to really fuck with

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people's heads and that episode was definitely

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an inspiration we'd already started talking in

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very vague terms about doing a witch trial scene

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and had been talking for the last year and a

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bit about wanting to do another interrogation

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uh but i don't think either of us quite anticipated

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how much of its own thing it would become yeah

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and how much we would end up putting into our

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characters and even thinking about sort of the

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world that they lived in and talking to sunshine

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and honeypot made that process so much easier

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and made us both i think feel a lot braver about

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tackling that and yeah being willing to lean

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into the silly moments and accept that there

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would be moments that would be cringe and that

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we might forget things that we had learned and

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all of that and just running with it and yeah

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and we did and we did and it was amazing And

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I won. You won. I won. There are spoilers. I

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am not waiting until the end of the episode to

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tell people whether we won. I won. And you deserve

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to win. Absolutely. For how much you stepped

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out of your comfort zone to do this scene. For

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how much preparation you put in. And I put a

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lot of preparation in as well. And it was scary

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for me as well. But I think it was a lot more

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challenging for you in a lot of ways. And the

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things that you did to me. I am not ashamed to

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have lost in those circumstances. I think that

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is the kind of torture most people would break

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under, and I'm proud of how long I held out.

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Yes. Yes, I think you should be. I was very proud

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of you as well. I was a little bit surprised.

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I thought, given how fucking stubborn you are,

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I was bracing myself for a very long day, but

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equally not surprised that you... confess when

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you did because i was brutal to you yeah you

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were it was um it's quite disturbing watching

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the video i think it's really hot i think that

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says a lot about me i i was there i did those

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things i am in the video doing those things and

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even i'm watching it going oh jesus like holy

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shit it's so funny for me like watching stuff

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like that back because in the moment interrogation

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play for me the two times we've done it at least

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it hasn't been sexual play it's just too intense

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to be a turn on for me in the moment yeah and

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it's a very different headspace where it very

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much is me at war with you it's a challenge it's

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like it's like playing a video game against your

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partner you know when you played mario kart with

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your partner and you cackle with you and you

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hit them with a blue shell yeah it's like that

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but weirder um so it's not a particularly sexual

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kind of play for me but looking back at pictures

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and videos of you doing that stuff to me and

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seeing you in full -on terrifying sadist mode

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and looking just like so angry and intimidating

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and stuff it's like oh oh yeah that does something

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for me so it's hotter after the fact than it

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is in the moment in the moment it's just i'm

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locked in i'm in it yeah that's fair and there

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is an element of that for me as well like the

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other way around i'm not looking at myself going

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oh yeah that's really hot um obviously i enjoy

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seeing you suffer and that is the most that you

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have suffered in my presence it really is um

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and you say that you don't look at yourself going

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oh yeah i'm hot i kind of do a little bit in

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that like i feel just the prettiest ever when

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i'm screaming and crying that is just i i was

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looking through the pictures and i was like oh

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my god like for a start the filler is popping

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like the filler overpowers everything else but

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also i've got these like blushy red cheeks from

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being slapped around and i'm doing these intense

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facial expressions and there's some way you can

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see i'm really defiant i'm like making eye contact

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with you yeah yeah yeah do what you fucking want

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um acting a lot tougher than i was feeling yeah

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and it's like usually before you were gonna spit

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at me yeah i did spit at you a lot yeah um but

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yeah it's like the most badass i've ever looked

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and then the most suffering i've ever done and

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it's just like love this i feel hot you are hot

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everything is hot that's fair that's fair that's

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totally valid to look at yourself and think that

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you're hot that's just not how my brain works

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not a thing that you do not a thing that i do

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no i will teach you to learn no i i'm i'm i'm

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comfortable with that fair you know i'm comfortable

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with looking at myself in the mirror going hey

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you look all right but i think because it's a

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little bit scary to see yourself like that i

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can understand that from your side of things

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yeah i think some of it is because you are just

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generally mean to yourself but i can also imagine

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if i saw myself screaming in someone's face and

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beating them with a whip i might be like oh oh

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cariesel what you doing yeah yeah there is a

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little bit of that to it where you look at it

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and go yikes i really did that didn't i yeah

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you did but anyway we're getting a little bit

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ahead of ourselves we should go back to the beginning

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and uh talk a little bit about how the witch

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trial came about yeah so this one was one of

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my ideas initially which i'm very proud of yes

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um so this all started just like the last interrogation

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happened because i've been reading 1984 this

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one happened because i've been reading slewfoot

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which is a brilliant folk horror novel um about

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a woman who spoiler alert ends up getting accused

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of witchcraft um but there's like forest spirits

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in it and cool like nature gods and it's a really

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good book it's a really really good book and

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it made me cry multiple times but because of

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who i am as a person there's a witch trial scene

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in it and i was a little bit flustered um felt

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very sorry for the character lots of empathy

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love it a bit but i was like but if i could just

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squeeze in there So that's when my brain started

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wearing, but I wasn't sure how we would pull

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it off. It immediately felt like a good fit for

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the kinky camping trip that we go to. because

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it's out in the woods it's away from a lot of

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modern technology we've got our phones and we've

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got our little camping stove and thing but you

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know it's it's a lot more disconnected from technology

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than we normally are so it would lend itself

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to a very different style of interrogation than

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the last interrogation we did that was very based

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on a lot of technology using lights and projectors

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and sounds and cameras and all of that stuff

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um so it felt like a perfect fit for that but

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it also felt like a scene that would require

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a bit of role play um and that would require

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us to be creative in different ways because we

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couldn't rely on having sort of fine control

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over the environment as much yeah so it kind

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of sat in the back of my head for a little bit

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as an idea until we did that episode with sunshine

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and honeypot and that's when i was like actually

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we could probably do that we could probably do

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that and it would be awesome yeah um and i pitched

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it to you in the full fantasy mode of what was

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in my head where i had this vision of me being

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marched through the campsite surrounded by a

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crowd of like hundreds of people all booing and

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jeering and yelling accusations at me and you

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whipping up the crowd into a frenzy as the witch

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finder going who has an accusation for the witch

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and me having all my clothes ripped off in public

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and being beaten and being humiliated and being

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inspected and then tortured and i was like yeah

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and i came to you with this like So we're going

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to do a tamer version of this. I'm going to present

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this to them and they're going to go straight

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away. We're going to find a private location.

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Yep. If you want a booing and jeering crowd,

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we maybe recruit two friends to be there for

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five minutes at the beginning of the scene and

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then we send them away. You know, I was expecting

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you to like strip it right down to something

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that was more comfortable. And you really surprised

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me by saying, actually, yeah, we could do that

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in the central hub area. Yeah, we can. ask around

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we can try to get a few more people involved

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we can do this as a very public scene yeah and

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you also embrace the role play elements of it

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with being like yeah it's not just me s torturing

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carizal and calling them a witch yeah we kind

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of need to step outside ourselves a little bit

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because because carizal is a witch i'm a practicing

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pagan yeah um yeah so there wouldn't have been

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any mystery to you it would have been just a

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case of trying to get me to confess something

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you already knew Yeah. Well, one of the things

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we agreed really early on is you wouldn't know

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going into it whether I was a witch that you

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had successfully identified or whether this was

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a case of sort of religious paranoia where you

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thought I was a witch and I was actually this

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innocent, falsely accused person. Yeah. I made

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that decision early on which of those things

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I was going to be. But you had no idea. I had

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no idea. You had to find that out the hard way.

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Yes. And I did. And you did. If I haven't mentioned

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already. yeah so obviously listeners will have

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heard some of the planning of that we'd had a

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kind of preliminary conversation about that before

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we recorded our planning for public play episode

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where we'd agreed we were going to do a witch

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trial but we hadn't gone into any of the detail

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we deliberately saved that for that episode yeah

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and on that episode we planned all of the scenes

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that we wanted to do on our kinky camping trip

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and obviously that was that was the big one um

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and then we had two more in -depth negotiation

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sessions about that where we came together to

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talk about what we were going to do uh the first

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one of those was really about sort of the the

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timeline and choreography of the scene what location

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we would be in for each stage of the process

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and what events needed to happen at each of the

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three locations we used yep because there was

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the elements that were going to happen at the

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campsite where i was first accused and arrested

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there was going to be the then sort of public

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crowd work section where i was inspected at least

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partially inspected for evidence and was accused

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and where you would invite accusations from other

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people and then i would be taken on my like walk

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of shame up into the woods yeah uh walked into

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the woods yeah uh where the actual torture and

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interrogation elements would come into play yeah

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um and then we also agreed that it was going

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to finish off with me being symbolically burned

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as a witch by receiving a brand of the word witch

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Yes. Which would happen back at the central area,

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largely because of not being allowed to do anything

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that generates heat in the woods due to the current

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hot weather. Yeah. Would have been a fire risk.

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So the branding had to happen somewhere, somewhere

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safe. Yes. Yeah. So that was our second negotiation

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session was really hashing out all the details

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of each of those steps. Not the details of exactly

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what you would do to me in them or what my strategy

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would be to to outlast it. But which key events

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had to be fitted in. Yeah, and I think it's one

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of the things that I kind of kept coming back

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to in that slightly overthinking way that I do,

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is trying to work out what was going to happen

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where, and make sure we do things in the right

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order, in the right places. So I kept going back

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and forth on, well, does the inspection happen

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at the tent, because that's where the accusation

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is being made, or does it happen at the hob?

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because that's the public humiliation part of

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it or does it happen up at the interrogation

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as part of asking questions and there was always

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that kind of little overlap in my head kind of

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thing of well how do i work in those set piece

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bits that we already knew about with the things

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that i'm going to do to you as part of the scene

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that you don't you didn't necessarily know about

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and there were some of it that you did so for

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example nettle stuffing was something that we

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talked about yeah And I was like, okay, so is

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that just something I do to torture them? Or

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is that part of, could you work that into kind

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of an inspection kind of thing? So like using

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the speculum to open you up and then shoving.

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So I ended up in this weird little feedback loop

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in my head of trying to piece it all together.

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So like talking it through. with you that kind

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of that second time in particular was really

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helpful to map that out and one of the things

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i tried to remind you of in that conversation

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is it's okay for you to deviate from that as

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long as we hit those three locations in an order

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that we've agreed um and as long as all of the

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important stuff that we want to fit in as best

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we can is fitted in yeah go nuts and there was

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an element of that you did sort of when you first

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arrested me you found some evidence in the tent

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so that was part of your your evidence against

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me you did a partial inspection of me in the

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in the hub and then continued to inspect me during

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the interrogation and didn't find all the clues

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it was great but um but yeah you did sort of

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take that a little bit more free form and it

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worked yeah yeah um and then our third big negotiation

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session was character work so by this point we'd

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both gone away and done a lot of planning on

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our own because we both needed to plan our strategy

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and keep a lot private from each other um but

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we had developed our characters and talked about

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them a little bit but needed to make sure that

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they were aligned there were definitely things

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that you didn't know about my character chastity

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uh because jeff and i are her witch finder fiance

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didn't know those things about her yeah but there

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were things that jeff and i should know and i

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needed to make sure that you knew them so that

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you wouldn't say something that contradicted

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with that and would cause like a weird buffering

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moment where we had a different expectation of

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where the conversation was going yeah so we talked

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about jeff and i are in chastity's relationship

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what jeff and i would know about chastity's history

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um what sort of they were doing on their camping

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trip together a little bit about the setting

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of the world that they were in you know we agreed

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quite early on we were not aiming for perfect

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historically accurate 1600s these were essentially

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modern people but with sort of an old -fashioned

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twist to kind of how they interacted and and

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the way that they moved through the world um

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so we weren't trying to use perfect historically

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accurate language we also weren't quite speaking

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like normal modern english either there was a

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lot of like i cannot yeah and such things yeah

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it was it was definitely we definitely had a

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different voice didn't we yeah not just like

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the sound of it but like the way that we spoke

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to each other yeah was was quite different it

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was a little bit like vaguely old -fashioned

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yeah um it's like people who've done absolutely

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zero research and know nothing about history

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pretending they're in the 1600s that was what

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we were doing yeah and we just fully embraced

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that we were never trying to make a documentary

00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:07.610
here yeah Yeah, it was not a historically accurate

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representation of the Pendle witch trials. No.

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Which is good because I did not do that level

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of research. No, neither did I. I used my time

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very differently. So those were the three bits

00:16:20.509 --> 00:16:22.730
of planning that we did together, the main bits

00:16:22.730 --> 00:16:23.990
of planning. And there were lots of little casual

00:16:23.990 --> 00:16:25.830
conversations in there where I would say, hey,

00:16:25.870 --> 00:16:27.870
you could do this and you would go. hey would

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this be okay this is kind of close to your limits

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but it's not crossing a limit and things like

00:16:31.029 --> 00:16:32.429
that bouncing ideas around but those are the

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three big conversations uh but we did a lot of

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work separately so i'm quite interested to hear

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about what your process was like behind the scenes

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then because there's a lot that i think i don't

00:16:40.889 --> 00:16:43.250
know still about what you did yeah and this is

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where i feel a little bit bad because you did

00:16:45.629 --> 00:16:47.889
a lot more research and preparation than i did

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i did very little research but i did a lot of

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insane preparation that is that is true that's

00:16:54.590 --> 00:16:58.659
that's fair um I mean, I think my character,

00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:00.580
Jeff and I, I think was fairly straightforward.

00:17:01.259 --> 00:17:05.299
Like, in my head, he was very religious, but

00:17:05.299 --> 00:17:08.640
also very angry and very paranoid. Yeah. Being

00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:13.619
a witch finder does not have a good effect on

00:17:13.619 --> 00:17:16.900
anyone's mental health was my kind of take on

00:17:16.900 --> 00:17:21.359
it. So, yeah, really quite paranoid about the

00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:26.509
world. Seeing devilry. And that had made him

00:17:26.509 --> 00:17:33.309
quite angry as a person. And that's why he interrogates

00:17:33.309 --> 00:17:38.269
the way that he does. So my overarching strategy

00:17:38.269 --> 00:17:43.250
going into the interrogation part is overwhelming

00:17:43.250 --> 00:17:48.309
physical abuse. Yeah. That was basically my strategy.

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High intensity, almost constant. physical impact

00:17:54.869 --> 00:17:59.450
on you of different types was was basically how

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i saw my route to to winning the interrogation

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and kind of that fitted with that vibe of the

00:18:06.730 --> 00:18:08.769
kind of person who i thought a witch finder would

00:18:08.769 --> 00:18:12.970
be yeah um like a witch finder with burnout it

00:18:12.970 --> 00:18:14.869
sounds like it's kind of the vibe you're going

00:18:14.869 --> 00:18:16.650
for yeah which seems like they would be even

00:18:16.650 --> 00:18:19.769
worse yeah because they are just fucking done

00:18:19.769 --> 00:18:21.750
with the world and just want to hit stuff yeah

00:18:21.750 --> 00:18:25.069
yeah And almost that resentment that the one

00:18:25.069 --> 00:18:29.009
person that he loves is probably a witch. Yeah.

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So kind of all of that stuff together of being

00:18:32.609 --> 00:18:35.990
a witch finder is bad enough and has had a negative

00:18:35.990 --> 00:18:38.650
effect on Jeff and I. But then to discover that

00:18:38.650 --> 00:18:42.509
the one safe space that he's got is also the

00:18:42.509 --> 00:18:45.349
very thing that he spends his life battling against.

00:18:45.730 --> 00:18:50.210
Yeah. Betrayal is one of the hottest concepts

00:18:50.210 --> 00:18:53.549
to me. I get off on betrayal so much. And it

00:18:53.549 --> 00:18:56.450
was such a mutual betrayal. Yeah. Because you'd

00:18:56.450 --> 00:18:58.970
found out that the one person you loved was a

00:18:58.970 --> 00:19:01.410
witch or was potentially a witch. Yeah. And I

00:19:01.410 --> 00:19:03.269
was being tortured by the one person I loved.

00:19:03.309 --> 00:19:06.150
And it was just, I love that. Yeah, yeah. So

00:19:06.150 --> 00:19:10.990
that was kind of the thinking behind Jeff and

00:19:10.990 --> 00:19:13.049
I. Although I came up with the name really late.

00:19:13.170 --> 00:19:16.059
Yeah. Literally two days before. I hadn't. because

00:19:16.059 --> 00:19:18.779
you came up with the name really early not super

00:19:18.779 --> 00:19:20.640
early but it was a couple of weeks before I think

00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:22.880
yeah and then you were debating whether you even

00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:24.859
needed a name or whether you were just basically

00:19:24.859 --> 00:19:27.619
going to be you but then we talked about one

00:19:27.619 --> 00:19:29.819
of the safety features we built in is we didn't

00:19:29.819 --> 00:19:33.019
want to have any sort of like out for me in the

00:19:33.019 --> 00:19:35.160
scene other than confessing but we acknowledge

00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:37.000
there might be times when i might need to communicate

00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:38.880
something to you urgently you know like if i

00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:41.960
was getting a cramp or if um something unsafe

00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:44.400
was happening or if i was struggling to handle

00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:46.000
something specific but i really didn't want to

00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:48.079
wrap up yet kind of things yeah a way to get

00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:49.900
your attention so we agreed using each other's

00:19:49.900 --> 00:19:52.599
real name would be a like pause for a sec we

00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:55.319
need to talk yeah um so you needed then something

00:19:55.319 --> 00:19:57.019
for me to call you that wasn't your real name

00:19:57.360 --> 00:19:59.299
Yeah. Because I wasn't going to be using protocol

00:19:59.299 --> 00:20:00.619
in the scene, so I wouldn't have addressed you

00:20:00.619 --> 00:20:03.059
as mix. No. So that's when you came up with Jeff

00:20:03.059 --> 00:20:06.259
and I. Yeah. I think that was partly, I think

00:20:06.259 --> 00:20:08.240
partly it had just gone out of my head. Yeah.

00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:11.299
That I needed a name. And it's, it's, it's really

00:20:11.299 --> 00:20:13.500
weird thinking back on it that, well, if you

00:20:13.500 --> 00:20:14.859
need to know, if you're wanting to know who the

00:20:14.859 --> 00:20:16.680
character is, you need to give them a name. Yeah.

00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:20.180
And it didn't, it didn't occur to me that that

00:20:20.180 --> 00:20:21.859
was important. Might have made my life a little

00:20:21.859 --> 00:20:23.660
bit easier if it had. But yeah, came up with

00:20:23.660 --> 00:20:26.559
it. like literally two or three days yeah before

00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:30.619
the before the scene um and it worked i think

00:20:30.619 --> 00:20:32.480
jeff and i was a really good name it was yeah

00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:35.079
yeah it's like just a little bit over the top

00:20:35.079 --> 00:20:37.420
and ridiculous but also definitely sounds like

00:20:37.420 --> 00:20:40.819
yeah like the right vibe yeah super christian

00:20:40.819 --> 00:20:44.539
witch finder um and i was chastity um just because

00:20:44.539 --> 00:20:47.160
it entertains me that i have taken several miles

00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:49.660
of dick and my name was chastity yeah and as

00:20:49.660 --> 00:20:52.079
it turned out chastity also had chastity was

00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:58.240
not chased No, not at all. So kind of that character

00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:00.740
development for me was pretty straightforward.

00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:07.619
Angry little man, basically. And in terms of

00:21:07.619 --> 00:21:10.819
researching into strategy, I did actually look

00:21:10.819 --> 00:21:15.240
at, so what do they do in the witch trials? And

00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:19.019
how could I incorporate some elements of that

00:21:19.019 --> 00:21:23.740
in a... into the scene in in an ethical way understanding

00:21:23.740 --> 00:21:25.380
that i can't do the things that they actually

00:21:25.380 --> 00:21:28.859
did yeah because that would have killed you yeah

00:21:28.859 --> 00:21:30.819
because a lot of the actual witch trials people

00:21:30.819 --> 00:21:33.279
died during the interrogations a lot of the torture

00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:36.380
techniques they used were definitely not rack

00:21:36.380 --> 00:21:40.400
no any of the letters they were not particularly

00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:42.680
bothered with making sure that the alleged witches

00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:45.400
survived to the end of the trial no um so there's

00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:46.859
a lot of that that we couldn't replicate but

00:21:46.859 --> 00:21:49.380
we could look at the vibe no i mean i think i

00:21:49.380 --> 00:21:51.380
think they were very aware of the risks but that

00:21:51.380 --> 00:21:56.660
was kind of the point yeah um so obviously there

00:21:56.660 --> 00:21:59.799
was a lot of physical torture in there um using

00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:03.519
whips and things like that so and i think we

00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:05.779
talked about this anyway but we knew i knew going

00:22:05.779 --> 00:22:08.859
in there wasn't going to be anything in my toolbox

00:22:09.900 --> 00:22:12.900
that you liked yeah i deliberately picked everything

00:22:12.900 --> 00:22:16.460
that you hated in out of all of our things that

00:22:16.460 --> 00:22:18.759
we use but looking at like okay so one of the

00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:21.640
things they did was um one of the things they

00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:24.559
did during witch trials was dunking i didn't

00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:26.880
i procrastinated on researching how you would

00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:29.359
do that safely in the bdsm context but we'd agreed

00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:31.440
okay waterboarding would be on the list as an

00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:35.210
equivalent yeah um Dunking is on the list for

00:22:35.210 --> 00:22:37.390
future when we've done some classes. Yeah, yeah.

00:22:37.529 --> 00:22:39.130
Because we saw some dunking and it's cool as

00:22:39.130 --> 00:22:41.289
fuck. But yeah, we stuck with waterboarding as

00:22:41.289 --> 00:22:43.869
our water torture standard. Yeah, they used chemicals,

00:22:43.990 --> 00:22:46.509
which is where the nettles came from. They used

00:22:46.509 --> 00:22:48.809
restraint that you were cuffed up and manacled.

00:22:50.509 --> 00:22:53.230
They did soaping, which we didn't get to. Because

00:22:53.230 --> 00:22:54.609
you forgot the soap. And I actually forgot the

00:22:54.609 --> 00:22:59.410
soap, which would have been a fun thing to do.

00:23:00.490 --> 00:23:02.329
And obviously the bedding, which was the end

00:23:02.329 --> 00:23:06.339
of the... end of the trial anyway but I also

00:23:06.339 --> 00:23:10.019
looked at enhanced interrogation techniques yeah

00:23:10.019 --> 00:23:12.500
and a lot of it wasn't all that helpful because

00:23:12.500 --> 00:23:14.420
it was based on having access to technology and

00:23:14.420 --> 00:23:16.619
it was based on kind of much longer periods of

00:23:16.619 --> 00:23:19.660
time yeah and I knew from the first interrogation

00:23:19.660 --> 00:23:22.799
that that kind of thing doesn't work on you in

00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:25.380
a short space of time yeah and just would be

00:23:25.380 --> 00:23:29.539
impractical in that in that environment so really

00:23:29.539 --> 00:23:34.000
loud noises flashing lights making you watch

00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:37.680
horrible things on the the screen um you know

00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:40.480
classic good cop bad cop kind of kind of thing

00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:44.319
um more ideas for a future interrogation at home

00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:47.599
then yeah none of that kind of stuff kind of

00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:50.779
really really helped um but there were a couple

00:23:50.779 --> 00:23:53.039
of things so making you kneel on things making

00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:55.759
you kind of making you move between kind of being

00:23:55.759 --> 00:23:59.259
melt and being stood up um slapping you in the

00:23:59.259 --> 00:24:02.650
stomach That was awful and so surprising because

00:24:02.650 --> 00:24:04.190
that's not something we've done before and not

00:24:04.190 --> 00:24:06.170
something I knew was coming. And if you'd said,

00:24:06.190 --> 00:24:07.509
I'm going to slap you in the stomach, I'd have

00:24:07.509 --> 00:24:09.730
been like, okay, piece of piss. Nice break from

00:24:09.730 --> 00:24:12.829
the whips. Yeah, yeah. Surprisingly nasty. One

00:24:12.829 --> 00:24:14.789
of the most painful parts of it, actually. Yeah.

00:24:14.930 --> 00:24:16.670
I couldn't believe it. And then when you told

00:24:16.670 --> 00:24:18.069
me you'd learned about it from reading about

00:24:18.069 --> 00:24:19.970
actual modern day torture techniques, it's like,

00:24:20.069 --> 00:24:21.750
okay, so that tracks. That's why it's so bad.

00:24:21.769 --> 00:24:23.849
Yeah, yeah. It was something that they did at

00:24:23.849 --> 00:24:27.470
Guantanamo Bay. Yeah. I was reading a website

00:24:27.470 --> 00:24:29.970
about... what the techniques they used there

00:24:29.970 --> 00:24:35.549
were i was like stomach slapping nice consensual

00:24:35.549 --> 00:24:38.049
stomach slapping is nice yes we do not condone

00:24:38.049 --> 00:24:42.690
guantanamo bay no no obviously um but it was

00:24:42.690 --> 00:24:44.710
really interesting like that specifically it

00:24:44.710 --> 00:24:45.990
was really interesting because i was like yeah

00:24:45.990 --> 00:24:48.069
get like the the obvious thing would be to punch

00:24:48.069 --> 00:24:51.569
him in the stomach yeah but like immediately

00:24:51.569 --> 00:24:53.829
i was like yeah slapping someone really hard

00:24:53.829 --> 00:24:57.029
across the stomach is gonna sting like a fucker

00:24:57.029 --> 00:24:59.089
it really does yeah it's much worse than being

00:24:59.089 --> 00:25:00.589
punched in the stomach because we've incorporated

00:25:00.589 --> 00:25:03.789
that into a lot of sort of cnc resistance type

00:25:03.789 --> 00:25:05.630
scenes you'll often give me a good punch to the

00:25:05.630 --> 00:25:07.950
stomach to subdue me yeah and we're careful about

00:25:07.950 --> 00:25:09.730
safety and how hard you do it and stuff but it's

00:25:09.730 --> 00:25:11.549
never overwhelmingly painful it is more of a

00:25:11.549 --> 00:25:13.730
psychological thing and being winded and having

00:25:13.730 --> 00:25:16.049
like the the fight taken out of me a bit where

00:25:16.049 --> 00:25:18.730
the stomach slapping was just agonizing yeah

00:25:18.730 --> 00:25:21.490
and i bruised from it which i've never bruised

00:25:21.490 --> 00:25:23.009
from being just slapped with a bare hand before

00:25:23.009 --> 00:25:27.039
but on the stomach i really did yeah um so yeah

00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:28.799
so i did that thinking about some of the things

00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:30.859
that the that might be useful techniques but

00:25:30.859 --> 00:25:34.079
i was really careful not to come up with a list

00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:37.539
of too many things yeah to to do because again

00:25:37.539 --> 00:25:40.140
i think that that learning from the first interrogation

00:25:40.140 --> 00:25:42.119
that kind of fairly quick cycle through different

00:25:42.119 --> 00:25:46.140
things happening actually helped you what was

00:25:46.140 --> 00:25:48.140
one of the things that that kind of helped you

00:25:48.140 --> 00:25:50.160
get through that it did yeah it was tough in

00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:51.640
some ways because i knew every time you came

00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:52.779
back into the room it was going to be something

00:25:52.779 --> 00:25:55.160
a little bit worse yeah but i also knew that

00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:57.319
it would probably be 15 minutes of it at most

00:25:57.319 --> 00:26:01.619
um yeah where anything that you did to me if

00:26:01.619 --> 00:26:03.440
i could tough it out for 15 minutes you would

00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:05.259
switch to something else and even if it was worse

00:26:05.259 --> 00:26:07.359
at least it was different yeah one of the things

00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:09.279
that was so hard to take in this interrogation

00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:11.099
is because you kept going back to the same things

00:26:11.099 --> 00:26:13.539
over and over i knew that all i was getting was

00:26:13.539 --> 00:26:15.680
a breather i was still gonna have to face it

00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:17.460
again i was gonna have to face it again and i

00:26:17.460 --> 00:26:19.519
was gonna keep having to face it until either

00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:21.960
i confessed or you got sick of it and that might

00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:24.299
have taken hours yeah so that had a really strong

00:26:24.299 --> 00:26:26.440
psychological effect of me of just ramping up

00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:29.140
fear yeah of dreading it more and more and more

00:26:29.140 --> 00:26:31.099
each time you return to it especially uh the

00:26:31.099 --> 00:26:34.039
three whips you were using and the the rubber

00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:37.579
paddle that combo was just every single one of

00:26:37.579 --> 00:26:39.099
them hurt just as much as each other and you

00:26:39.099 --> 00:26:42.660
just kept going to them yeah yeah yeah and that

00:26:42.660 --> 00:26:44.720
was that was essentially my strategy and we took

00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:47.380
other things up there with us as well and i think

00:26:47.380 --> 00:26:51.220
if the interrogation had gone on for for longer

00:26:51.849 --> 00:26:53.569
i probably would have used some of those so we

00:26:53.569 --> 00:26:56.349
took the heretics fork which i was going to use

00:26:56.349 --> 00:26:58.630
in combination with making you kneel on the acupressure

00:26:58.630 --> 00:27:02.650
mat which i did very first thing i did um but

00:27:02.650 --> 00:27:04.789
using that in combination with the heretics fork

00:27:04.789 --> 00:27:08.130
and leaving you in that state because obviously

00:27:08.130 --> 00:27:09.589
we'd agreed that i wouldn't hit you with anything

00:27:09.589 --> 00:27:11.190
while you had the heretics fork so the heretics

00:27:11.190 --> 00:27:14.289
for people who don't know is basically ours is

00:27:14.289 --> 00:27:17.009
um really printed plastic but it's basically

00:27:17.009 --> 00:27:22.099
a double -sided fork two tines up either side

00:27:22.099 --> 00:27:24.559
and it's designed to go between underneath someone's

00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:27.279
chin and like the top of their chest yeah and

00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:30.039
it's almost like a posture kind of thing where

00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:32.000
it forces your head into a particular position

00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:36.319
so i was going to have you kneel recite the lord's

00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:39.680
prayer on the mat with that there and that was

00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:41.420
going to be a period of just leaving you yeah

00:27:41.420 --> 00:27:46.400
a so i could have a breather but b so that it

00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:48.740
was that would be awful for you and would be

00:27:48.740 --> 00:27:50.480
something that you would have to endure and then

00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:53.700
back to what you just said knowing that once

00:27:53.700 --> 00:27:57.640
that's over you would be back to being whipped

00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:02.759
yeah and using that using fear in that way because

00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:05.819
my plan was for at least the first chunk of it

00:28:05.819 --> 00:28:10.339
just be relentlessly violent and you were so

00:28:10.339 --> 00:28:14.019
start out escalated rather than ramp up to it

00:28:14.019 --> 00:28:16.920
yeah which was a really smart strategy but yeah

00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:19.950
that was as far as my kind of strategizing went

00:28:19.950 --> 00:28:22.009
like i say it feels pretty straightforward but

00:28:22.009 --> 00:28:24.369
i think for me straightforward was the right

00:28:24.369 --> 00:28:27.890
way to to go with it definitely and it was effective

00:28:27.890 --> 00:28:31.029
yeah as as we have revealed it was very effective

00:28:31.029 --> 00:28:34.289
yeah yeah um but what about you you put quite

00:28:34.289 --> 00:28:37.579
a lot of work into your strategy and preparation

00:28:37.579 --> 00:28:41.559
for it i did yeah and i sort of i think i probably

00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:43.480
did my character work the other way around from

00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:46.240
you i strategized first and then reverse engineered

00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:48.299
a lot of my character from the strategy right

00:28:48.299 --> 00:28:51.180
i made a decision early on that chastity was

00:28:51.180 --> 00:28:54.460
a witch yeah we talked about the possibility

00:28:54.460 --> 00:28:57.220
that i could be falsely accused and for sort

00:28:57.220 --> 00:29:00.309
of the drama and the the like desperation of

00:29:00.309 --> 00:29:02.430
that that really appealed to me but i wanted

00:29:02.430 --> 00:29:04.730
the dramatic confession moment where i revealed

00:29:04.730 --> 00:29:07.089
that i was a witch and and you would know that

00:29:07.089 --> 00:29:08.630
i was a witch and i wasn't just saying it for

00:29:08.630 --> 00:29:11.269
the torture to stop um i wanted like a defiant

00:29:11.269 --> 00:29:14.069
moment if i lost the interrogation and i spoiler

00:29:14.069 --> 00:29:18.579
alert i really did So that was kind of my starting

00:29:18.579 --> 00:29:20.900
point. And then I went into thinking of a strategy

00:29:20.900 --> 00:29:22.839
because I promised you that I was not going to

00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:25.799
use the silence that I used in the first interrogation

00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:28.140
and that I wouldn't use music as a psychological

00:29:28.140 --> 00:29:30.440
anchor in the first interrogation. I'd had a

00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:32.059
couple of songs that I would like whisper to

00:29:32.059 --> 00:29:34.619
myself on repeat as a way of marking time and

00:29:34.619 --> 00:29:37.200
self soothing and distracting myself from what

00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:39.700
was going on. And I promised I wouldn't reuse

00:29:39.700 --> 00:29:42.559
the same strategy. kind of to give us give us

00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:44.460
both a chance to experience it in a different

00:29:44.460 --> 00:29:48.119
way um but also because i didn't think either

00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:49.920
of those things would be as good for this scene

00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.799
um having sort of modern pop music would have

00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.000
felt like a bit of a an anachronism and i know

00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:56.779
we had fucking hundreds of anachronisms but i

00:29:56.779 --> 00:29:59.440
didn't want to like kill the vibe with that and

00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:00.960
silence would have taken away a lot of the role

00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:02.859
play opportunities and the chance for our characters

00:30:02.859 --> 00:30:04.440
to bounce off each other and do a little bit

00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.359
of like improv essentially yeah um so i ruled

00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:09.950
those out so i decided that what i was going

00:30:09.950 --> 00:30:15.130
to do instead is that i was going to have the

00:30:15.130 --> 00:30:17.349
layers of secrets that worked really well for

00:30:17.349 --> 00:30:19.190
me in the first interrogation so the fact that

00:30:19.190 --> 00:30:20.450
i was trying to hide from you that i was using

00:30:20.450 --> 00:30:22.910
these songs was a fun little bit of defiance

00:30:22.910 --> 00:30:24.690
that gave me an edge so i wanted to make sure

00:30:24.690 --> 00:30:26.450
i had secrets i was keeping from you other than

00:30:26.450 --> 00:30:29.970
the fact that i was a witch And I wanted to have

00:30:29.970 --> 00:30:32.490
something that I could memorize and repeat the

00:30:32.490 --> 00:30:35.410
same way I'd used the songs as an anchor. So

00:30:35.410 --> 00:30:40.029
I decided that Chastity has the same patron goddess

00:30:40.029 --> 00:30:41.869
that I do because it's easy. I didn't have to

00:30:41.869 --> 00:30:45.369
learn anything new. And Inanna, who is my patron

00:30:45.369 --> 00:30:47.470
goddess, like a number that is sort of sacred

00:30:47.470 --> 00:30:49.710
in relation to her is the number eight. Her symbol

00:30:49.710 --> 00:30:52.640
is an eight pointed star. And you can. with a

00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:54.480
little bit of wibbling. I relate it to one of

00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:56.680
the most important pieces of mythology about

00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:58.880
her, where she descended through the seven gates

00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:01.740
of hell and then died there and was resurrected

00:31:01.740 --> 00:31:04.400
and came back. So I choose to interpret that

00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:06.779
as coming back as the eighth gate, just so I

00:31:06.779 --> 00:31:10.200
can. have one number, not two to work with. So

00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:12.740
I was trying to work in the number eight as much

00:31:12.740 --> 00:31:14.940
as possible into my backstory, into things that

00:31:14.940 --> 00:31:17.839
I said and into my strategy. Because that would

00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:19.740
give me a fun little thing that I like had over

00:31:19.740 --> 00:31:21.680
you that you wouldn't pick up on. And I was confident

00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:24.660
you wouldn't pick up on it. And I didn't. You

00:31:24.660 --> 00:31:26.880
didn't, no. And there were a couple of things

00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:28.400
that I did that would have made it so easy for

00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:30.940
you to pick up on as well that you missed. So

00:31:30.940 --> 00:31:34.960
I felt very smug throughout about that. So the...

00:31:35.450 --> 00:31:37.269
thing that i chose to memorize and have as my

00:31:37.269 --> 00:31:39.410
psychological anchor was i went through the bible

00:31:39.410 --> 00:31:43.069
and i made myself a list of every chapter 8 verse

00:31:43.069 --> 00:31:44.990
8 that is in the bible not all books have got

00:31:44.990 --> 00:31:46.789
eight chapters but every one that did i wrote

00:31:46.789 --> 00:31:48.829
them all down i went through and stripped out

00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.140
about two -thirds of them because they were either

00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:55.019
sort of clunky or they had um things in them

00:31:55.019 --> 00:31:56.579
that could have been taken as like an offensive

00:31:56.579 --> 00:31:59.079
statement without the context they were in or

00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:01.200
possibly even in the context they were in um

00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:02.940
or just that i couldn't make them flow with each

00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:05.660
other and with the ones that were left i arranged

00:32:05.660 --> 00:32:08.750
them into something that almost made sense like

00:32:08.750 --> 00:32:11.410
they all sort of led on to the next verse quite

00:32:11.410 --> 00:32:13.589
well in a way that sounded like it was all one

00:32:13.589 --> 00:32:16.430
narrative but also was kind of nonsensical and

00:32:16.430 --> 00:32:19.769
hard to follow um and i spent two weeks memorizing

00:32:19.769 --> 00:32:24.809
that yep yes you did i learned it in sections

00:32:24.809 --> 00:32:27.730
i recorded audio of myself reading it out and

00:32:27.730 --> 00:32:29.309
made it into a little video with the dynamic

00:32:29.309 --> 00:32:31.690
captions that flash up word by word so i would

00:32:31.690 --> 00:32:33.890
watch that at my desk quite a lot of the time

00:32:33.890 --> 00:32:35.910
sort of at work just have it running in the background

00:32:36.619 --> 00:32:39.720
I would listen to that if I was just kind of

00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:41.420
like doing cooking and stuff in the kitchen.

00:32:41.460 --> 00:32:43.339
Sometimes I'd have that with headphones on. I

00:32:43.339 --> 00:32:46.660
was constantly running it until I had it absolutely

00:32:46.660 --> 00:32:49.019
nailed and I could do it even when I was distracted.

00:32:49.059 --> 00:32:51.220
I sneakily practiced it during a scene we did.

00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:53.180
I had my face down in the pillow and was muttering

00:32:53.180 --> 00:32:55.259
it to myself to check I could do it when I was

00:32:55.259 --> 00:32:59.740
being hit. So I got that absolutely nailed. So

00:32:59.740 --> 00:33:02.019
that was a big part of my strategy. But then

00:33:02.019 --> 00:33:04.920
I tried to work. eights into as much other stuff

00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.519
as possible so chastity's mother died eight years

00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:10.859
ago yeah um the we'd agreed that i was gonna

00:33:10.859 --> 00:33:13.460
hide clues either in the tent or on my person

00:33:13.460 --> 00:33:15.640
i had eight clues that you could have found yeah

00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:17.099
but you didn't find all of them so you didn't

00:33:17.099 --> 00:33:19.019
know there were eight of them no i only found

00:33:19.609 --> 00:33:22.569
three i think yeah you found so i had a crystal

00:33:22.569 --> 00:33:26.029
that i had inserted inside myself yes uh which

00:33:26.029 --> 00:33:27.349
i don't think you would have found when you did

00:33:27.349 --> 00:33:28.930
but it started to slip down when i was walking

00:33:28.930 --> 00:33:30.490
so as soon as you put your hand in my underwear

00:33:30.490 --> 00:33:31.970
you found it immediately because it was right

00:33:31.970 --> 00:33:34.450
there yeah um but you missed that i had three

00:33:34.450 --> 00:33:36.650
little tiny mini bottles sewn inside my underwear

00:33:36.650 --> 00:33:38.549
two of them had sigils in and one had a bit of

00:33:38.549 --> 00:33:40.470
paper that just had the number eight on it which

00:33:40.470 --> 00:33:42.089
would have really helped you if you'd found them

00:33:42.089 --> 00:33:46.569
yeah yeah um i had a crystal in each pocket of

00:33:46.569 --> 00:33:51.869
my skirt so that's Five clues so far. You didn't

00:33:51.869 --> 00:33:54.390
find the crystals in my pockets. No. So out of

00:33:54.390 --> 00:33:58.130
those five clues, you had only found one. Yeah.

00:33:58.329 --> 00:34:00.529
I left a tarot card in the bed on the tent, which

00:34:00.529 --> 00:34:02.809
you did find. Yeah. That one I made sure was

00:34:02.809 --> 00:34:04.490
really easy for you because obviously that was

00:34:04.490 --> 00:34:11.300
strength number eight. And I had a pouch of crystals

00:34:11.300 --> 00:34:14.219
hanging around my neck as a necklace, which you

00:34:14.219 --> 00:34:16.420
found once you cut my top off. But what you didn't

00:34:16.420 --> 00:34:18.239
find out was that if you'd opened up that pouch

00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:20.000
and counted the crystals, there were three different

00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:21.760
kinds of crystals and there were eight of each

00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:28.099
one. Yes. Which is just, like, insane. Yeah.

00:34:28.260 --> 00:34:30.139
Was that all of them? Was that all eight? I believe

00:34:30.139 --> 00:34:31.440
that's all eight makes, yeah. So we've got the

00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:33.659
crystals around my neck, the crystal in my hoo

00:34:33.659 --> 00:34:37.050
-ha, the crystal in each pocket, so two. The

00:34:37.050 --> 00:34:40.349
three little jars and the tarot card. Eight.

00:34:40.590 --> 00:34:43.670
Eight. And I found three of them. Yeah. Which

00:34:43.670 --> 00:34:47.170
was an impressively poor showing, given that

00:34:47.170 --> 00:34:50.030
all of them except one were on me the entire

00:34:50.030 --> 00:34:52.690
time. Yeah. But there was a lot going on. Well,

00:34:52.769 --> 00:34:54.809
the skirt came off pretty quickly, to be fair.

00:34:54.949 --> 00:34:58.449
Yeah. So I wasn't rooting through your pockets.

00:34:58.630 --> 00:35:03.849
No. For that. But I am and will always be really

00:35:03.849 --> 00:35:07.159
mad about those three little bottles. Yeah. Because

00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:13.000
I saw them. Yeah. And I just thought, that's

00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.480
folded in a weird way. Yeah. There was like a

00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:18.059
visible sort of scrunch at the front of my underwear

00:35:18.059 --> 00:35:20.659
where the stitching was. And you didn't notice.

00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:22.579
I just thought it... And I'd assumed you would

00:35:22.579 --> 00:35:24.679
either cut or pull my underwear off at some point

00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:25.780
and then you definitely would have seen them.

00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:28.179
Yeah. But because we never got to the nettle

00:35:28.179 --> 00:35:30.719
stuffing part, you didn't. But I thought the

00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:32.199
underwear might come off really early and then

00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:33.940
you'd find them. Yeah. I thought the crystal

00:35:33.940 --> 00:35:36.519
inside me, I might... get away with until you

00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:38.760
got the speculum involved but obviously because

00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:41.880
it started to fall out you you got it um so yeah

00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:43.739
i was very smug about my little clues but then

00:35:43.739 --> 00:35:45.739
developing my character came after a lot of that

00:35:45.739 --> 00:35:47.739
because once i'd got my insane monologue that

00:35:47.739 --> 00:35:50.840
i'd learned then i started figuring out how i

00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:52.760
could make it mean something in my head yeah

00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:54.380
because i'd only really put the verses together

00:35:54.380 --> 00:35:56.139
in a way where they sort of all connected onto

00:35:56.139 --> 00:35:58.079
the next one mainly to make it easier to memorize

00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:00.599
but then i started to pull a narrative from it

00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:05.360
so the first section of it was all of the words

00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:07.239
of my mouth are just none of them is crooked

00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:09.539
or perverse how can you say we are wise for we

00:36:09.539 --> 00:36:11.360
have the law of the lord when actually the lying

00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:13.820
pen of the scribes has handled it falsely ask

00:36:13.820 --> 00:36:15.960
the former generation find out what their ancestors

00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:17.760
learned they have read from the book of the law

00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:20.179
of god making it clear and giving the meaning

00:36:20.179 --> 00:36:21.820
so the people understood what was being read

00:36:22.570 --> 00:36:24.630
Just as an aside, I love how much you hate this.

00:36:24.809 --> 00:36:28.889
Yeah. You are sick of hearing this. Yes. So that

00:36:28.889 --> 00:36:31.329
first section, the meaning that I chose that

00:36:31.329 --> 00:36:36.539
Chastity would have behind that was that... that

00:36:36.539 --> 00:36:38.619
people who are following the christian faith

00:36:38.619 --> 00:36:41.679
are following the bible rather than their actual

00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:43.500
god they're following lies that have been written

00:36:43.500 --> 00:36:45.800
down misinterpretations and warping of scripture

00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:48.099
that's happened over time and aren't actually

00:36:48.099 --> 00:36:50.199
truly connected to their faith where hers is

00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.280
completely true and is about personal connection

00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.199
with god yeah um so she sees herself as being

00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:58.139
very much in the truth even though she's telling

00:36:58.139 --> 00:37:01.400
a lot of lies yeah So that was my sneaky meaning

00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:04.019
in that one. And there were six sections of it

00:37:04.019 --> 00:37:05.699
and everything had something like that. So the

00:37:05.699 --> 00:37:08.719
second one was all talking about sacrifice. And

00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:10.780
that was her basically saying, I've let you catch

00:37:10.780 --> 00:37:13.639
me. I'm choosing to sacrifice myself so that

00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:15.539
you can see where your faith has taken you to.

00:37:16.019 --> 00:37:21.059
The third section talks about people celebrating

00:37:21.059 --> 00:37:23.079
in a city and all the blessings that the land

00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:24.880
has. And then God saying, take the city and set

00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:27.760
it on fire. And I was saying, your God creates

00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:31.090
and destroys on a whim. um but mine sees these

00:37:31.090 --> 00:37:33.210
two as the same thing creative energy and destructive

00:37:33.210 --> 00:37:35.769
energy are all one thing um which is how i'm

00:37:35.769 --> 00:37:37.530
able to withstand what you're doing to me yeah

00:37:37.530 --> 00:37:41.190
uh the the fourth section of it um had a lot

00:37:41.190 --> 00:37:42.809
of verses that were talking about the general

00:37:42.809 --> 00:37:46.210
idea that the material world is a barrier between

00:37:46.210 --> 00:37:49.670
you and God. One of the verses in it was those

00:37:49.670 --> 00:37:51.250
who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please

00:37:51.250 --> 00:37:53.949
God. And that was about contrasting Jeff and

00:37:53.949 --> 00:37:57.449
I as faith with how he follows a faith that is

00:37:57.449 --> 00:37:59.929
all about abstaining from things, you know, refusing

00:37:59.929 --> 00:38:03.869
sex, fasting, all of these ways of like disconnecting

00:38:03.869 --> 00:38:07.550
yourself from pleasure and chastity saying, but

00:38:07.550 --> 00:38:10.530
you can embrace pleasure and still ascend beyond

00:38:10.530 --> 00:38:12.429
the material. That can be a way of bringing you

00:38:12.429 --> 00:38:15.570
closer to God. as well um the fifth section is

00:38:15.570 --> 00:38:17.630
where i was basically just saying i'm a fucking

00:38:17.630 --> 00:38:20.650
witch because it had a bit uh i believe this

00:38:20.650 --> 00:38:22.949
one was from revelation talking about the second

00:38:22.949 --> 00:38:25.170
angel blew a trumpet and a mountain all ablaze

00:38:25.170 --> 00:38:28.309
falls into the sea um which i was using as a

00:38:28.309 --> 00:38:32.309
reference to the destruction of mount ibex which

00:38:32.309 --> 00:38:34.590
is a myth about inanna destroying a mountain

00:38:34.590 --> 00:38:38.210
that offended her with in its pride and is widely

00:38:38.210 --> 00:38:40.570
considered to be the origin of the eden myth

00:38:41.070 --> 00:38:43.429
um but from the different perspective of destroying

00:38:43.429 --> 00:38:46.010
eden frees humans rather than destroying eden

00:38:46.010 --> 00:38:50.849
being a condemnation of humans um so that was

00:38:50.849 --> 00:38:53.570
very much a sort of yeah your god threw you out

00:38:53.570 --> 00:38:56.309
of eden but mine let us out like a real fuck

00:38:56.309 --> 00:38:58.610
you in your face and then there's this long rambling

00:38:58.610 --> 00:39:00.710
bit about a goat with its horn being broken off

00:39:00.710 --> 00:39:02.570
and i was like this is just the witchiest shit

00:39:02.570 --> 00:39:04.449
i could be saying really rubbing it in your face

00:39:04.449 --> 00:39:09.780
yeah yeah um and then the final section And I

00:39:09.780 --> 00:39:11.860
am not commanding you, but I want to test the

00:39:11.860 --> 00:39:13.920
sincerity of your love by comparing it with the

00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:16.780
earnestness of others. Very much a plea for Jeff

00:39:16.780 --> 00:39:19.230
and I are to see. the love that chastity has

00:39:19.230 --> 00:39:22.929
for him um and then finished up with uh just

00:39:22.929 --> 00:39:25.550
as no one is discharged in time of war so wickedness

00:39:25.550 --> 00:39:27.550
will not release those who practice it which

00:39:27.550 --> 00:39:29.250
is again a little bit of a dig from chastity

00:39:29.250 --> 00:39:31.530
being like you are the one practicing wickedness

00:39:31.530 --> 00:39:34.869
yeah and i want you to see that yeah um so i

00:39:34.869 --> 00:39:37.329
was just looping that through the entire interrogation

00:39:37.329 --> 00:39:39.909
yeah basically doing my confession and then when

00:39:39.909 --> 00:39:42.190
i did my big dramatic confession i explained

00:39:42.190 --> 00:39:43.849
the meaning of the whole thing as part of it

00:39:43.849 --> 00:39:47.010
yeah yeah um so that was that was a lot of fun

00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:49.300
That was a lot of fun to plan and it was a really

00:39:49.300 --> 00:39:50.920
great way of reverse engineering the character

00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:53.239
because once I figured out how to make those

00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:55.519
verses mean something, then I knew what my character's

00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:58.159
motivations were. Yeah, which is really, really

00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:00.119
smart and really, really clever. And I think

00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:03.980
what was really both enjoyable and deeply frustrating

00:40:03.980 --> 00:40:08.880
about it is obviously I didn't understand, I

00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:11.980
didn't get to understand the full actual meaning

00:40:11.980 --> 00:40:14.599
of it, but I was kind of listening to what you

00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:19.110
were saying. And I was like, there's stuff in

00:40:19.110 --> 00:40:22.869
here that clearly, you didn't say it out loud,

00:40:22.969 --> 00:40:24.329
but I was like, they've clearly looked at the

00:40:24.329 --> 00:40:26.630
Bible and they've picked out verses which have

00:40:26.630 --> 00:40:29.670
an ambiguous meaning in this context, have an

00:40:29.670 --> 00:40:32.550
ambiguous meaning. So they are saying witchy

00:40:32.550 --> 00:40:35.409
shit to me. Yeah. So I was really torn between

00:40:35.409 --> 00:40:39.090
actually wanting to stop and listen to what you

00:40:39.090 --> 00:40:41.750
were saying and kind of try and decode it a little

00:40:41.750 --> 00:40:43.809
bit as a way of gathering evidence to kind of

00:40:43.809 --> 00:40:46.559
throw questions back at you. But I was torn between

00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:51.239
that and my strategy of relentless physical torture.

00:40:51.539 --> 00:40:54.860
Yeah. And it was getting that balance right.

00:40:54.980 --> 00:40:57.920
So when I was off picking a weapon or filling

00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:01.139
the watering can up for the waterboarding, I

00:41:01.139 --> 00:41:02.719
was trying to listen to what you were saying,

00:41:02.860 --> 00:41:06.300
but I just couldn't. In that moment, I just couldn't

00:41:06.300 --> 00:41:08.440
get enough of the meaning to be able to question

00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:13.179
you about it. All I could do was, you are blaspheming

00:41:13.179 --> 00:41:17.659
and taking the... the word and corrupting it

00:41:17.659 --> 00:41:21.119
kind of kind of thing i couldn't get any deeper

00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:22.780
than that in that moment and that was really

00:41:22.780 --> 00:41:25.199
frustrating for me i know yeah and that was a

00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:27.059
big part of the strategy too is i i knew it would

00:41:27.059 --> 00:41:29.059
go one of two ways either you would end up stopping

00:41:29.059 --> 00:41:31.000
to just listen to it for a few runs to try to

00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:32.679
figure out what i was saying yeah which would

00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:35.599
buy me some time or that you wouldn't do that

00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:37.519
and therefore would be really frustrated that

00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:39.039
you weren't able to examine the clue because

00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:40.920
you had too much going on yeah so it was like

00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:43.969
either way It was a good little attack on you.

00:41:44.150 --> 00:41:46.190
Yeah, it was really, really clever. Really clever.

00:41:46.349 --> 00:41:50.170
And, like, you know, just the level of thought

00:41:50.170 --> 00:41:53.070
that went into the planting of the clues and

00:41:53.070 --> 00:41:54.789
the use of the number eight, because you changed...

00:41:54.989 --> 00:41:57.190
There was one passage which is actually seven

00:41:57.190 --> 00:41:59.690
bushels. And you said eight bushels? There's

00:41:59.690 --> 00:42:04.670
seven basketfuls of broken pieces from the story

00:42:04.670 --> 00:42:08.630
of the feeding of the 5 ,000. It was disciples

00:42:08.630 --> 00:42:10.750
picked up seven basketfuls of broken pieces that

00:42:10.750 --> 00:42:12.590
were left over after these people had been fed.

00:42:12.670 --> 00:42:15.050
And I changed it to eight. And it was particularly

00:42:15.050 --> 00:42:16.710
good because the line before that was the people

00:42:16.710 --> 00:42:19.070
ate and were satisfied. So I was there like the

00:42:19.070 --> 00:42:21.389
people ate and were satisfied and the disciples

00:42:21.389 --> 00:42:23.730
picked up eight basketfuls of broken pieces.

00:42:24.070 --> 00:42:27.210
I was very pleased with myself. but i didn't

00:42:27.210 --> 00:42:29.250
change any other words to make it like fit what

00:42:29.250 --> 00:42:31.010
i wanted to say that was the only thing i changed

00:42:31.010 --> 00:42:32.590
and that was quite a late decision as well i

00:42:32.590 --> 00:42:34.809
was rehearsing it at seven up until about three

00:42:34.809 --> 00:42:36.550
days before and i suddenly thought i could put

00:42:36.550 --> 00:42:38.789
sneaky eight in there yeah yeah and i thought

00:42:38.789 --> 00:42:41.849
there was a chance that i know you you didn't

00:42:41.849 --> 00:42:43.389
grow up religious or anything so i figured you

00:42:43.389 --> 00:42:45.250
wouldn't spot it but i thought if we had a decent

00:42:45.250 --> 00:42:47.369
crowd watching there might be someone in the

00:42:47.369 --> 00:42:48.969
crowd who would point out that's not what that

00:42:48.969 --> 00:42:52.369
verse says which would have been a risk to my

00:42:52.369 --> 00:42:54.210
strategy, but also would have opened up a whole

00:42:54.210 --> 00:42:56.769
other wild goose chase for you to then start

00:42:56.769 --> 00:42:58.789
intensely questioning me about all of the eight

00:42:58.789 --> 00:43:01.949
references, which wasn't actually going to get

00:43:01.949 --> 00:43:03.670
you to a confession. It was going to look dodgy

00:43:03.670 --> 00:43:05.710
as hell. And if I was trying to prove I wasn't

00:43:05.710 --> 00:43:07.349
a witch, it wouldn't have helped my case. But

00:43:07.349 --> 00:43:08.789
the only thing that was going to actually be

00:43:08.789 --> 00:43:11.329
a win for you was me confessing. So it would

00:43:11.329 --> 00:43:13.010
have still been a massive distraction technique.

00:43:13.369 --> 00:43:15.130
And I had a bunch of stuff like that. I had a

00:43:15.130 --> 00:43:16.949
bunch of things that I could confess to that

00:43:16.949 --> 00:43:19.070
weren't being a witch that would buy me some

00:43:19.070 --> 00:43:21.679
time. because if i started giving you some information

00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:23.940
about chastity you would stop hitting me and

00:43:23.940 --> 00:43:27.119
listen yeah um so i had the reveal that her mother

00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:32.480
was a witch yeah i had the reveal that um she

00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:35.139
had done a lot of wild stuff when she was younger

00:43:35.139 --> 00:43:37.039
getting loads of piercings getting tattoos drinking

00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:39.460
disrespecting her parents like having a proper

00:43:39.460 --> 00:43:42.239
wild phase um i had the reveal that she wasn't

00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:44.440
a virgin as well which came quite late in the

00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.840
game um and you know that she had slept with

00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:49.940
loads of men loads of women didn't know how many

00:43:49.940 --> 00:43:53.480
all of this kind of stuff So again, it was that

00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:55.239
breaking in layers thing. It's like anytime I

00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:57.179
feel like I'm going to confess, I'm going to

00:43:57.179 --> 00:43:59.860
give a piece of information. It'll cause a little

00:43:59.860 --> 00:44:01.440
bit of role play, a little bit of a distraction.

00:44:01.579 --> 00:44:02.940
I'll stop getting hit for a minute. It'll give

00:44:02.940 --> 00:44:04.960
me a breather and it gets rid of that impulse

00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:08.260
for me to shout, I confess. Yeah. So I had quite

00:44:08.260 --> 00:44:10.039
a lot of fun with that as well. Yeah. That was

00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:11.739
great. Yeah. Was there any that you didn't use?

00:44:11.980 --> 00:44:14.320
No mix. I had considered having one in there

00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.280
that Chastity had cheated on Jeff and I, but

00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:18.789
I scrapped it. Not because I didn't. end up wanting

00:44:18.789 --> 00:44:20.250
to use it in the scene but because it didn't

00:44:20.250 --> 00:44:21.889
fit the character the more i got to know her

00:44:21.889 --> 00:44:24.570
yeah like i'd initially thought maybe chastity

00:44:24.570 --> 00:44:26.369
has always just been out for jeff and i and has

00:44:26.369 --> 00:44:28.730
wanted to fuck him over and as i got to know

00:44:28.730 --> 00:44:31.369
her better it's like no she genuinely has made

00:44:31.369 --> 00:44:32.809
the mistake of her life falling in love with

00:44:32.809 --> 00:44:35.130
a witch finder and actually really does love

00:44:35.130 --> 00:44:37.289
him and is devoted to him and yeah sees what

00:44:37.289 --> 00:44:39.150
she's doing is trying to free him so it wouldn't

00:44:39.150 --> 00:44:40.769
have fit into her character to have cheated on

00:44:40.769 --> 00:44:43.349
you right so i got rid of that yeah that's fair

00:44:43.349 --> 00:44:46.530
that's fair So you went through all of them.

00:44:46.670 --> 00:44:50.349
Yeah. You did all of your confession, non -confession

00:44:50.349 --> 00:44:52.510
confession. Yeah. And then did the confession.

00:44:52.869 --> 00:44:55.070
Yeah. And it's how I really knew I was in trouble

00:44:55.070 --> 00:44:56.269
because I was getting through them so quick.

00:44:56.650 --> 00:44:58.969
Yeah. I kept having to use one because I just

00:44:58.969 --> 00:45:01.489
couldn't sustain it. Yeah. That's fair. Well,

00:45:01.550 --> 00:45:06.210
yay for that. Yeah. So that was our strategizing.

00:45:06.530 --> 00:45:08.969
Yeah. So if we jump forward a little bit, the

00:45:08.969 --> 00:45:12.289
day of the interrogation, we woke up at about

00:45:12.289 --> 00:45:15.849
half five a .m. Yeah. How was that for you, Mix?

00:45:16.130 --> 00:45:20.030
That was terrible. And I had a passionate hatred

00:45:20.030 --> 00:45:24.809
for a previous version of me that had decided

00:45:24.809 --> 00:45:28.570
that it would be a good idea to post in the Kinky

00:45:28.570 --> 00:45:30.869
Camping group that we are doing a witch trial

00:45:30.869 --> 00:45:33.989
and that we invite people to join us in the witch

00:45:33.989 --> 00:45:36.329
trial. And I laid out what we'd agreed about,

00:45:36.389 --> 00:45:37.969
where it would start, where it would move to

00:45:37.969 --> 00:45:41.869
and what would be happening. And a day and a

00:45:41.869 --> 00:45:44.219
time. obviously because we'd agreed when we were

00:45:44.219 --> 00:45:47.619
going to do it. And in the moment, when I posted

00:45:47.619 --> 00:45:48.840
that, I thought that would be a really good idea.

00:45:50.579 --> 00:45:54.099
At half past five on the Thursday morning, it

00:45:54.099 --> 00:45:55.800
was the worst fucking idea I've ever had in my

00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:58.019
life and I hated myself. And I did think that

00:45:58.019 --> 00:45:59.960
at the time you posted it, you said, would you

00:45:59.960 --> 00:46:01.519
be okay with it? And I was like, yeah, absolutely.

00:46:01.619 --> 00:46:03.679
Huge fucking exhibitionist here, love it. But

00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:06.550
you are going to regret that. And you were like,

00:46:06.630 --> 00:46:07.869
oh, I don't think we'll get that many people.

00:46:07.949 --> 00:46:09.769
It'll be like maybe 10 people maximum. There's

00:46:09.769 --> 00:46:11.110
going to be lots of other stuff going on. And

00:46:11.110 --> 00:46:13.969
I was like, this is a pretty cool scene. This

00:46:13.969 --> 00:46:15.570
is a scene I would drop everything to go and

00:46:15.570 --> 00:46:16.929
watch. Are you sure? And you're like, it'll be

00:46:16.929 --> 00:46:19.070
fine. It'll be fine and posted it. And then it

00:46:19.070 --> 00:46:21.489
did seem to get quite a lot of interest. Yeah.

00:46:21.590 --> 00:46:23.090
And then people were telling their friends and

00:46:23.090 --> 00:46:24.630
gathering their friends and being like, let's

00:46:24.630 --> 00:46:27.369
go yell some abuse at a witch. Yeah. And I think

00:46:27.369 --> 00:46:30.610
you realised what you had released from its cage.

00:46:30.809 --> 00:46:35.969
Yes. But no, I woke up on Thursday morning. I

00:46:35.969 --> 00:46:37.409
don't think I was having an actual panic attack,

00:46:37.570 --> 00:46:41.570
but I don't think I was far off. No. Just the

00:46:41.570 --> 00:46:44.949
whole thing felt like it was too much. Like we'd

00:46:44.949 --> 00:46:49.349
never done... We've never done roleplay before,

00:46:49.449 --> 00:46:52.929
and this was going to be our first attempt at

00:46:52.929 --> 00:46:59.210
roleplay. Yeah. Stupid idea. You know, I couldn't

00:46:59.210 --> 00:47:01.989
remember anything. I couldn't remember... really

00:47:01.989 --> 00:47:04.530
basic things about what we said was going to

00:47:04.530 --> 00:47:07.010
happen at each stage i couldn't remember the

00:47:07.010 --> 00:47:09.269
things that i had thought about in terms of how

00:47:09.269 --> 00:47:11.750
i wanted it to to flow within that framework

00:47:11.750 --> 00:47:16.289
that we'd we'd we'd agreed um i was terrified

00:47:16.289 --> 00:47:20.230
of the anybody watching it you know kind of and

00:47:20.230 --> 00:47:22.210
i think on two levels as well on the one hand

00:47:22.210 --> 00:47:24.650
just the general fear of being perceived and

00:47:24.650 --> 00:47:28.789
my my nervousness around any kind of exhibitionist

00:47:28.789 --> 00:47:31.389
play even in that environment that we were in

00:47:31.389 --> 00:47:36.570
um but also that nagging fear that i still have

00:47:36.570 --> 00:47:39.789
which does not have any truth to it as far as

00:47:39.789 --> 00:47:42.829
i can see or any justification that doing something

00:47:42.829 --> 00:47:46.730
that physically intense would expose my lack

00:47:46.730 --> 00:47:50.670
of ability as a sadist yeah and actually people

00:47:50.670 --> 00:47:53.289
would look at it and go this is unsafe and dangerous

00:47:53.289 --> 00:47:58.909
yeah And either that would be the view that people

00:47:58.909 --> 00:48:00.510
take away from it or somebody would intervene

00:48:00.510 --> 00:48:02.670
and go, I need to stop this because this is dangerous.

00:48:02.989 --> 00:48:06.170
So all of that was just swirling around in my

00:48:06.170 --> 00:48:08.949
head and I just couldn't focus on anything because

00:48:08.949 --> 00:48:11.550
I deliberately not planned the interrogation

00:48:11.550 --> 00:48:14.230
part in a lot of detail beyond the strategy that

00:48:14.230 --> 00:48:15.550
I'd come up with. I wasn't like, I'm going to

00:48:15.550 --> 00:48:17.269
do this and then after 10 minutes, I'm going

00:48:17.269 --> 00:48:19.030
to do this. And then after 15 minutes, I'm going

00:48:19.030 --> 00:48:22.429
to do this. I didn't do that. because I think

00:48:22.429 --> 00:48:24.369
that's what screwed me up in the first one, partly.

00:48:24.650 --> 00:48:27.510
But not having that was terrifying, because it's

00:48:27.510 --> 00:48:31.469
like, well, what if I forget? What if I run out

00:48:31.469 --> 00:48:34.250
of ideas? What if I can't improv? Stuff like

00:48:34.250 --> 00:48:39.750
that. So I was in a bit of a state. You really

00:48:39.750 --> 00:48:44.469
were, yeah. On the Thursday morning. And you

00:48:44.469 --> 00:48:47.730
did your best. You were very supportive and helpful.

00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:52.280
And, you know, when I went off to get coffee,

00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:55.480
I bumped into a couple of people that we know,

00:48:55.539 --> 00:48:58.039
a couple of pals, and kind of shared with them

00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:00.400
that I was feeling a little bit. And they said

00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:01.960
some things which were really reassuring and

00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:05.659
really helpful. Did not go in at all. All I could

00:49:05.659 --> 00:49:08.119
hear in my head was, you're going to fuck this

00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:10.619
up and it's going to be rubbish. And you're shit

00:49:10.619 --> 00:49:16.800
at this. Don't do it. So I came very, very close

00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:20.190
to saying, I can't do this. We need to stop and

00:49:20.190 --> 00:49:24.010
not do it. Yeah. Even during the preparation

00:49:24.010 --> 00:49:27.210
kind of time. So we got up, we had coffee, we

00:49:27.210 --> 00:49:31.829
sorted ourselves out sort of thing. And while

00:49:31.829 --> 00:49:34.429
you were becoming chastity, I went and collected

00:49:34.429 --> 00:49:36.909
nettles because we had nettle play, nettle stuffing

00:49:36.909 --> 00:49:42.449
on the list. I took everything up to where we

00:49:42.449 --> 00:49:44.070
were going to do the interrogation. So I took

00:49:44.070 --> 00:49:46.570
a bag of stuff to do mean things to you. I took

00:49:46.570 --> 00:49:49.110
the water for the waterboarding up there. left

00:49:49.110 --> 00:49:52.409
a little sign saying which trial here at 11 30

00:49:52.409 --> 00:49:54.309
don't steal our stuff so i was going through

00:49:54.309 --> 00:49:57.409
the motions of doing all of that absolutely convinced

00:49:57.409 --> 00:49:58.789
that i would get back to the tenants i can't

00:49:58.789 --> 00:50:01.750
do this yeah and kind of making my peace with

00:50:01.750 --> 00:50:04.070
that as i was doing it as well going well i tried

00:50:04.070 --> 00:50:06.949
i gave it a go gave it my best shot and i had

00:50:06.949 --> 00:50:09.429
no idea it was that bad i obviously knew at 5

00:50:09.429 --> 00:50:11.550
30 in the morning when you were pretty much having

00:50:11.550 --> 00:50:13.849
a panic attack that things were pretty bad but

00:50:13.849 --> 00:50:15.949
after we talked for about half an hour you did

00:50:15.949 --> 00:50:18.210
seem to calm down a lot and i'd sort of said

00:50:18.210 --> 00:50:19.849
to you at the time if you don't feel like you

00:50:19.849 --> 00:50:22.250
can do this you do not have to do this it's really

00:50:22.250 --> 00:50:24.150
important that we both go into this fully consenting

00:50:24.150 --> 00:50:26.690
to it um it's important that we both enjoy this

00:50:26.690 --> 00:50:28.710
if you if you are not going to enjoy it we're

00:50:28.710 --> 00:50:31.889
not going to do it but i also said that i thought

00:50:31.889 --> 00:50:34.230
you would really regret it if you did decide

00:50:34.230 --> 00:50:36.829
not to i thought you know in a few hours time

00:50:36.829 --> 00:50:39.380
they're going to be kicking themselves and because

00:50:39.380 --> 00:50:41.300
of it being quite an intense and very public

00:50:41.300 --> 00:50:42.679
scene, it's not the kind of thing we could have

00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:43.920
just gone, well, fuck it, we'll do it tomorrow,

00:50:44.059 --> 00:50:46.079
because people who'd been actively avoiding the

00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:47.880
areas we were going to be in might have then

00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:50.139
seen stuff they didn't want to see. People who'd

00:50:50.139 --> 00:50:51.659
wanted to be part of it might have missed out

00:50:51.659 --> 00:50:52.920
because they had other plans, so it was like,

00:50:52.980 --> 00:50:54.320
it is kind of now or never, and you're going

00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:56.900
to kick yourself if you don't do it. And then

00:50:56.900 --> 00:50:58.159
you seemed to calm down, and I was like, oh,

00:50:58.219 --> 00:50:59.860
what I said worked, and I didn't realise you

00:50:59.860 --> 00:51:01.559
still had all of that noise in your brain and

00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:03.380
were still considering pulling out, so I just...

00:51:03.869 --> 00:51:06.090
potted around becoming chastity and yeah yeah

00:51:06.090 --> 00:51:07.929
looking forward to the scene and worrying about

00:51:07.929 --> 00:51:10.250
you a little bit i was worried that if you were

00:51:10.250 --> 00:51:12.130
still having some of that anxiety going into

00:51:12.130 --> 00:51:13.710
it i didn't think that you weren't going to do

00:51:13.710 --> 00:51:15.329
it but i thought you might do it and end up with

00:51:15.329 --> 00:51:17.909
really bad drop or end up having to sort of nope

00:51:17.909 --> 00:51:20.250
out half an hour in yourself yeah which wouldn't

00:51:20.250 --> 00:51:22.269
be you know i wanted to win but i didn't want

00:51:22.269 --> 00:51:24.530
to win by default because you had a panic attack

00:51:24.530 --> 00:51:26.469
mid -scene and had to stop that's not that's

00:51:26.469 --> 00:51:30.000
not a win no So, yeah, I was a little bit worried

00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:32.019
about you. And actually, that stopped me from

00:51:32.019 --> 00:51:34.000
remembering to be worried for myself, which was

00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:39.400
spectacularly stupid. Yes. Self -preservation.

00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:43.480
All part of the tactic. Yeah. But other than

00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:45.219
that little bit of worry for you, I had a pretty

00:51:45.219 --> 00:51:48.820
chill morning. So I was. Too excited to eat.

00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:50.960
I didn't really feel nervous, but I felt so excited

00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:52.519
I couldn't eat, which in hindsight might have

00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:55.119
been a little bit of nervous energy. And I was

00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:56.739
constantly thinking I should really eat something

00:51:56.739 --> 00:51:58.619
because this is going to affect my pain threshold.

00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:01.260
But I just couldn't. So I threw myself into getting

00:52:01.260 --> 00:52:04.260
ready. I had my good Christian woman outfit that

00:52:04.260 --> 00:52:06.880
I bought specially. I had this white blouse with

00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:09.719
a high neckline and long sleeves. We took my

00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:11.760
collar off, which we very rarely do. So that

00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:13.659
was great for getting in the headspace. And I

00:52:13.659 --> 00:52:15.840
was wearing a crucifix necklace and I had an

00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:18.239
ankle length long. blue skirt that i was wearing

00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:20.619
and my sensible walking boots because i'd be

00:52:20.619 --> 00:52:24.039
getting dragged around through the woods um I

00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:26.280
sort of pinned my hair up that looked very kind

00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:30.039
of just very good girl hair. Yeah. I took my

00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:34.199
amazing. Thank you. I took my ear tunnels out

00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:35.559
as well, partly so they wouldn't end up getting

00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:37.840
slapped halfway across the forest and partly

00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:39.460
because I didn't think chastity would wear them.

00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:43.019
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I got all done up. And

00:52:43.019 --> 00:52:45.059
then our original plan had been that we might

00:52:45.059 --> 00:52:46.900
spend an hour or two in character in the morning

00:52:46.900 --> 00:52:49.059
as a way of sort of easing into it. But because

00:52:49.059 --> 00:52:50.460
you were nervous, you said, like, let's just

00:52:50.460 --> 00:52:52.559
get in character. you know 10 -15 minutes before

00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:56.059
the scene starts yeah um so i respected that

00:52:56.059 --> 00:52:58.280
and continued to be myself with you but anytime

00:52:58.280 --> 00:52:59.780
i was wandering off and chatting to friends i

00:52:59.780 --> 00:53:01.920
was being chastity yeah i was going up to people

00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:03.719
and being like oh god has blessed us with such

00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:06.179
beautiful weather today yeah i love being a good

00:53:06.179 --> 00:53:07.980
christian woman and praying and going to church

00:53:07.980 --> 00:53:10.139
and everyone was absolutely creased and loving

00:53:10.139 --> 00:53:12.780
it yeah and i heard i heard some of that when

00:53:12.780 --> 00:53:14.619
i was knocking around the tent yeah getting ready

00:53:14.619 --> 00:53:18.940
for things it was yeah it was it was fun to it

00:53:18.940 --> 00:53:22.980
was fun to listen to um that was quite i think

00:53:22.980 --> 00:53:24.840
that was in a weird kind of way helpful as well

00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:27.119
hearing you interacting with other other people

00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:32.840
around the tent um almost like oh shit too late

00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:39.360
now in it you know it started yeah um but you

00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:42.320
look great you did a really good job of of like

00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:45.739
this this good christian woman I mean, it was

00:53:45.739 --> 00:53:47.320
all stuff from Amazon, wasn't it? But like at

00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:50.159
a distance, it did look pretty good. Yeah. As

00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:52.940
a, you know, what someone in that era might have

00:53:52.940 --> 00:53:56.179
looked like. Like the overall vibe. Yeah. It

00:53:56.179 --> 00:54:00.719
was a cross between like olden days outfit and

00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:03.239
like a modern Mormon. Yeah. It was like in that

00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:05.559
sweet spot between the two. Yeah. Yeah. The shoes

00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:08.760
were my insistence though. Yeah. yeah i'd been

00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:10.480
gonna wear some sandals or something and then

00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:11.960
i'd said like oh you could make me take my shoes

00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:13.659
off and walk over the gravel barefoot and you

00:54:13.659 --> 00:54:15.679
were like no because if you break your toe on

00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:17.659
the way to the interrogation i'm gonna have to

00:54:17.659 --> 00:54:19.320
stop and i was like you don't have to stop use

00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:22.340
it and you're like no i'm going to stop so you

00:54:22.340 --> 00:54:24.260
made me wear sensible walking yeah i need you

00:54:24.260 --> 00:54:27.579
to get up to the spot where we're doing the interrogation

00:54:27.579 --> 00:54:33.579
in one piece relatively speaking yeah um so yeah

00:54:33.579 --> 00:54:35.579
while you were doing that And I was having my

00:54:35.579 --> 00:54:37.699
mild panic attack. I got changed into mine, which

00:54:37.699 --> 00:54:40.360
was a lot more straightforward. It was a bit

00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:43.579
of a cooler day. So I was wearing long black

00:54:43.579 --> 00:54:46.239
trousers and a black T -shirt, which felt kind

00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:49.780
of ivy for what we were doing. Yeah. You're really

00:54:49.780 --> 00:54:51.820
hot in all black, so I was on board with that.

00:54:51.860 --> 00:54:53.880
Yeah. I think the only slightly disappointing

00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:56.320
thing about my outfit is that because the trousers

00:54:56.320 --> 00:54:57.920
I was wearing were cuffed, you could see the

00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:00.840
gap between the top of the trousers and the trainer

00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:02.659
socks that I was wearing, which I just object

00:55:02.659 --> 00:55:09.170
to. on principle yeah i hate seeing that so that's

00:55:09.170 --> 00:55:11.389
what i see when i look at the pictures yeah you

00:55:11.389 --> 00:55:13.349
can see the gap between my trousers and my socks

00:55:13.349 --> 00:55:15.369
that's not what i'm looking at in the pictures

00:55:15.369 --> 00:55:17.989
i'm looking at the like throbbing vein in your

00:55:17.989 --> 00:55:20.730
temple yeah and like your jaw all set really

00:55:20.730 --> 00:55:23.909
angry it's like i'm gonna kill this witch i'm

00:55:23.909 --> 00:55:30.449
like yeah yeah yeah um but then i had this moment

00:55:30.449 --> 00:55:34.340
in the tent Like, I'd taken something to use

00:55:34.340 --> 00:55:37.679
as evidence. I knew you were going to plant evidence

00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:41.800
or there would be clues for me to find. But I'd

00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:44.840
taken something as well, with your permission.

00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:48.159
Took a book of sigils that you'd done for various

00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:52.239
reasons. And that was something that was on the

00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:53.800
list of things that I was allowed to take. So

00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:55.840
we went through all of the things that are on

00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:59.320
your altar in our bedroom. And I said, right,

00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:01.369
what are the things that have to stay here? And

00:56:01.369 --> 00:56:04.210
I cannot take it. You pointed to the thing. And

00:56:04.210 --> 00:56:06.429
everything else was fair game. Yeah. And immediately

00:56:06.429 --> 00:56:10.289
when you did that, I saw the book. That's the

00:56:10.289 --> 00:56:12.909
kind of thing. Very incriminating. Yeah, very

00:56:12.909 --> 00:56:14.690
incriminating. But it's also the kind of thing

00:56:14.690 --> 00:56:16.769
that Chastity would have. In my head, I was like,

00:56:16.809 --> 00:56:20.849
yeah, that would be what she would have. Because

00:56:20.849 --> 00:56:24.730
they were all positive things. Yeah. And there

00:56:24.730 --> 00:56:28.349
was that kind of innate goodness to her. Yeah.

00:56:28.550 --> 00:56:31.250
I think so. That's why I took that. But it was

00:56:31.250 --> 00:56:33.510
when I was in the tent and kind of having that

00:56:33.510 --> 00:56:36.050
moment of, okay, so I've got the evidence now.

00:56:36.690 --> 00:56:39.030
They're out there doing their chastity thing.

00:56:40.809 --> 00:56:45.289
Being a good Christian woman. And everybody around

00:56:45.289 --> 00:56:48.389
you was chortling about that. And kind of had

00:56:48.389 --> 00:56:50.489
that moment of, if I'm going to do something

00:56:50.489 --> 00:56:52.550
like this, this is the place to do it. Because

00:56:52.550 --> 00:56:55.349
where else am I going to feel safe enough to

00:56:55.349 --> 00:56:57.590
do it? Yeah. You know, if I can't do it here.

00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:01.159
I won't do it anywhere because there's nothing

00:57:01.159 --> 00:57:05.039
like this place, this environment that is being

00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:09.219
curated and created where you can do this kind

00:57:09.219 --> 00:57:11.199
of thing. So it's kind of now or never, really.

00:57:11.980 --> 00:57:14.699
That was kind of in my head. I then just thought,

00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:21.340
fuck it. Literally, like, fuck it. And absolutely

00:57:21.340 --> 00:57:26.159
screamed witch. Yeah. Loudest I've ever shouted.

00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:29.739
louder than i should have definitely louder than

00:57:29.739 --> 00:57:31.260
i should have louder than i thought i was capable

00:57:31.260 --> 00:57:35.639
of just screamed witch and then we were away

00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:43.159
which was just bonkers yeah so it was about 15

00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:45.519
minutes before the scene was due to start you

00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:48.420
were hanging around and that was the time we'd

00:57:48.420 --> 00:57:51.519
agreed to get into character so i sat down in

00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:53.119
one of the camping chairs without asking first

00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:55.909
because chastity doesn't We don't have protocol.

00:57:56.329 --> 00:57:58.889
And then I started whispering at you in Good

00:57:58.889 --> 00:58:00.829
Christian Woman. And I saw you a little bit panicked,

00:58:00.829 --> 00:58:02.730
but also like, yeah, yeah, we're doing the thing.

00:58:02.849 --> 00:58:04.489
And you sort of disappeared off into the tent.

00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:08.039
and one of our friends turned up who had agreed

00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:10.260
to take some pictures and videos of the scene

00:58:10.260 --> 00:58:12.059
for us so we could look back at it afterwards

00:58:12.059 --> 00:58:13.940
with this being a kinky camping event she was

00:58:13.940 --> 00:58:17.199
dressed in a sexy cow outfit yeah um and so i

00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:19.219
was chatting to her in character as chastity

00:58:19.219 --> 00:58:23.119
and uh talking about how oh this uh campsite

00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:25.849
that me and jeff and i have chosen for our wholesome

00:58:25.849 --> 00:58:28.269
engagement trip together it's full of a lot of

00:58:28.269 --> 00:58:30.949
godless sinners wearing very unusual things i

00:58:30.949 --> 00:58:33.429
mean no judgment to you of course dear but i

00:58:33.429 --> 00:58:36.489
do hope you find christ she was cracking up yeah

00:58:36.489 --> 00:58:39.829
because that's obviously not me normally i'd

00:58:39.829 --> 00:58:41.530
literally been naked on the campsite the day

00:58:41.530 --> 00:58:44.730
before um so i was like in character while you

00:58:44.730 --> 00:58:46.110
were pottering in the tent and the whole time

00:58:46.110 --> 00:58:48.349
it was like i could feel you behind me i was

00:58:48.349 --> 00:58:50.750
like this is gonna kick off any minute now any

00:58:50.750 --> 00:58:53.710
minute now and i was pretty sure that how it

00:58:53.710 --> 00:58:55.210
would start would be you yelling which because

00:58:55.210 --> 00:58:57.289
i think we talked about that so i was like either

00:58:57.289 --> 00:58:59.530
i'm gonna hear a really loud yell anytime now

00:58:59.530 --> 00:59:02.210
or something else awful is gonna happen yeah

00:59:02.210 --> 00:59:04.409
and i don't know exactly when it's gonna be because

00:59:04.409 --> 00:59:06.389
i'd taken my watch off and got rid of my phone

00:59:06.389 --> 00:59:08.730
in preparation so i didn't even know if we were

00:59:08.730 --> 00:59:12.610
on time or anything um and then yeah you i had

00:59:12.610 --> 00:59:14.429
never heard you shout so loud there was a little

00:59:14.429 --> 00:59:16.110
bit of shouting in the first interrogation but

00:59:16.110 --> 00:59:17.710
you had to limit it a bit because we're in a

00:59:17.710 --> 00:59:21.599
house yeah um so i jumped out of my skin And

00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:24.599
you burst out of the tent with the chain manacle

00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:26.500
set that you were going to be using to arrest

00:59:26.500 --> 00:59:28.719
me and the evidence. You'd found the tarot card.

00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:31.599
You'd found the book of sigils that I didn't

00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:34.800
know you were going to have. And you were big

00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:37.239
mad. Geoff and I, I was big mad at chastity.

00:59:37.539 --> 00:59:42.900
Yes. Very, very mad. And this is the point in

00:59:42.900 --> 00:59:45.039
the episode where we're just, from my perspective,

00:59:45.139 --> 00:59:47.360
we're just making it up now because I cannot

00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:52.190
remember. There are whole chunks of this that

00:59:52.190 --> 00:59:54.489
are just going to be, I think that's what happened

00:59:54.489 --> 00:59:57.570
then. Yeah, I think, because I did quite a lot

00:59:57.570 --> 00:59:59.809
of writing my thoughts down as soon as I could

00:59:59.809 --> 01:00:01.650
after the scene to write my blog post about it.

01:00:01.710 --> 01:00:04.940
So that's... a fairly accurate account like there'll

01:00:04.940 --> 01:00:07.440
be the odd word that is misquoted but and there's

01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:09.519
definitely stuff i forgot but i don't think i

01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:10.980
put anything in there that straight up didn't

01:00:10.980 --> 01:00:14.239
happen i hope um but then after i'd written that

01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:17.579
we also got the um pictures and videos back from

01:00:17.579 --> 01:00:20.260
our friend yeah and there's there's a lot of

01:00:20.260 --> 01:00:22.320
the sort of dialogue and chronology of it captured

01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:24.019
in that so there's a lot that i think between

01:00:24.019 --> 01:00:27.199
us we can reconstruct it but this is our impressions

01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:29.880
our memories of the scene based on partial evidence

01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:33.539
and yeah a bit of a blur recollection it's it's

01:00:33.539 --> 01:00:35.320
going to be accurate to how it feels in our memories

01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:37.980
but maybe not exactly how it was to the people

01:00:37.980 --> 01:00:40.500
watching it yeah and there's 40 odd people who

01:00:40.500 --> 01:00:42.780
can fact check us on that yeah and that's fine

01:00:42.780 --> 01:00:46.619
yeah um because it was similar for me in what

01:00:46.619 --> 01:00:50.039
happens when i'm speaking publicly so it's part

01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:53.300
of my job when i'm not hosting an award -winning

01:00:53.300 --> 01:00:55.679
podcast or committing sexual acts against you

01:00:57.869 --> 01:00:59.449
I have to do quite a lot of public speaking.

01:00:59.530 --> 01:01:01.570
I go to conferences. I go to big meetings. I

01:01:01.570 --> 01:01:05.989
talk in front of audiences. And I kind of have

01:01:05.989 --> 01:01:07.650
a similar sort of thing happen then as well.

01:01:07.690 --> 01:01:09.489
I get really, really afraid. I get really, really

01:01:09.489 --> 01:01:11.769
scared of public speaking. And then it comes

01:01:11.769 --> 01:01:14.409
time to do it. And I can't nope out of it because

01:01:14.409 --> 01:01:19.389
I'm paid to be there. So I just black out. I

01:01:19.389 --> 01:01:22.550
disassociate. I stand up. I do the thing. I answer

01:01:22.550 --> 01:01:24.469
the questions. I sit down. And then I'm back

01:01:24.469 --> 01:01:27.289
in the room. and what happens between those two

01:01:27.289 --> 01:01:32.210
points is anybody's guess so it's kind of like

01:01:32.210 --> 01:01:35.329
that yeah for me i remember a lot of it quite

01:01:35.329 --> 01:01:37.250
clearly i think because i started writing it

01:01:37.250 --> 01:01:40.349
as soon as i possibly could afterwards um and

01:01:40.349 --> 01:01:43.230
i tend to remember scenes quite well so some

01:01:43.230 --> 01:01:45.090
of the order of it might be a little bit scrumbly

01:01:45.090 --> 01:01:47.230
for me and you know definitely i haven't memorized

01:01:47.230 --> 01:01:49.340
word for word everything that was said and an

01:01:49.340 --> 01:01:52.619
hour and 20 minutes but i i remember a lot so

01:01:52.619 --> 01:01:54.500
outside the tent the first thing you confronted

01:01:54.500 --> 01:01:56.780
me with was the tarot card yeah and all of the

01:01:56.780 --> 01:01:58.460
evidence i planted i had come up with plausible

01:01:58.460 --> 01:02:00.480
sounding explanations for why chastity would

01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:03.340
have it yeah so straight away i was like i found

01:02:03.340 --> 01:02:05.460
this lying on the ground in the campsite um as

01:02:05.460 --> 01:02:07.219
a good christian woman i was concerned that it

01:02:07.219 --> 01:02:09.059
would tempt someone into these ungodly practices

01:02:09.059 --> 01:02:11.619
and sins so i took it away and put it in our

01:02:11.619 --> 01:02:13.460
tent so i could ask your guidance on how to deal

01:02:13.460 --> 01:02:16.150
with it and then i forgot all about it um Pretty

01:02:16.150 --> 01:02:18.230
good explanation, I think, for why I would have

01:02:18.230 --> 01:02:20.090
a single tarot card. It wasn't even a whole deck.

01:02:20.309 --> 01:02:23.550
Yeah. But it was quite hard to explain that to

01:02:23.550 --> 01:02:25.409
Jeff and I, because the entire time Chastity

01:02:25.409 --> 01:02:27.489
was saying it, Jeff and I kept yelling, Liar!

01:02:28.070 --> 01:02:32.050
Witch! In our face. He did not wish to hear the

01:02:32.050 --> 01:02:33.949
possible explanation. He did not wish to hear

01:02:33.949 --> 01:02:36.050
the explanation. And I think I presented you

01:02:36.050 --> 01:02:38.469
with the Book of Sigils as well, didn't I? Yeah,

01:02:38.510 --> 01:02:40.909
which I just denied all knowledge of. Yeah. I

01:02:40.909 --> 01:02:42.769
remember saying that they were in your belongings.

01:02:43.190 --> 01:02:45.780
Yeah. And they weren't. They were in a... that's

01:02:45.780 --> 01:02:50.960
the bag that i brought with me um so then i put

01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:55.480
you in the in the manacles fairly fairly quickly

01:02:55.480 --> 01:02:57.659
didn't they yeah mix and we'd agreed because

01:02:57.659 --> 01:02:59.840
they are quite faffy to put on that i would not

01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:01.400
fight you on this this was not going to be a

01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:04.179
cnc moment i would sit and i would plead with

01:03:04.179 --> 01:03:05.980
you and try to convince you and maybe sort of

01:03:05.980 --> 01:03:07.380
tense up a bit but i was not going to put up

01:03:07.380 --> 01:03:09.719
any fight so i just sat there the whole time

01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:11.980
trying to convince you that i wasn't a witch

01:03:11.980 --> 01:03:14.139
it's interesting you said that one of the things

01:03:14.139 --> 01:03:16.300
you'd sort of thought about in your development

01:03:16.300 --> 01:03:18.739
of jeff and i is that he'd got that kind of witch

01:03:18.739 --> 01:03:20.760
finder burnout and was really kind of paranoid

01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:23.960
and angry and not himself yeah we hadn't discussed

01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:26.480
that part of of your character development but

01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:29.179
i came to the same conclusion as chastity yeah

01:03:29.179 --> 01:03:30.940
that this job was really not good for you so

01:03:30.940 --> 01:03:33.340
i started pleading with you like jeff and i are

01:03:33.340 --> 01:03:35.400
your your work is making you paranoid it's making

01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:38.440
you crazy um i had a really cool line that was

01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:41.619
something like uh you spend so long chasing the

01:03:41.619 --> 01:03:43.719
devil you have lost sight of what is good yeah

01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:46.079
which was not when i practiced that just came

01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:48.900
out that was cool that was cool but none of the

01:03:48.900 --> 01:03:50.800
pleading did me any good at all jeff and i was

01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:54.130
not hearing it no no So I change you up in the

01:03:54.130 --> 01:03:56.349
manacles. And that was the, I think that was

01:03:56.349 --> 01:03:58.030
probably the most awkward part of the scene.

01:03:58.150 --> 01:04:01.110
Yeah. Because it just takes fucking ages to put

01:04:01.110 --> 01:04:03.230
those manacles on. They're really, really faffy.

01:04:03.570 --> 01:04:06.750
Yeah. I think that was probably the only time

01:04:06.750 --> 01:04:09.510
that I was like negatively aware that we were

01:04:09.510 --> 01:04:11.989
being watched. And I don't, other than yelling

01:04:11.989 --> 01:04:14.130
at you, I don't think I said very much to the

01:04:14.130 --> 01:04:16.449
people who had gathered at that point. And I

01:04:16.449 --> 01:04:18.550
could tell that you were sort of running out

01:04:18.550 --> 01:04:20.070
of things to say to fill the time while you were

01:04:20.070 --> 01:04:22.300
chaining me up. So I made sure to keep. keep

01:04:22.300 --> 01:04:24.139
engaging with you by saying something you could

01:04:24.139 --> 01:04:25.840
react to it was funny there were a couple of

01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:27.519
points where you were like silence witch and

01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:29.420
I would stop talking because it's like yeah chastity

01:04:29.420 --> 01:04:31.519
would just shut up now and then I could see you

01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:33.320
getting anxious and it's like no silence witch

01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:35.599
is no use right now so I would start with some

01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:39.380
excuses and some pleading with you and some bleating

01:04:39.380 --> 01:04:41.280
at you about how we have prayed together today

01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:44.760
I'm a good Christian woman and then that would

01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:47.019
set you off again and we kept it running we kept

01:04:47.019 --> 01:04:49.539
it going so yeah got you into the manacles made

01:04:49.539 --> 01:04:54.179
you stand up forgot to lock the tent which i

01:04:54.179 --> 01:04:56.840
styled out to be good yeah i started kind of

01:04:56.840 --> 01:04:59.000
pushing you towards the hub and i thought oh

01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:03.340
no i need to lock the tent um i can't remember

01:05:03.340 --> 01:05:04.900
what i said i said something like this excuse

01:05:04.900 --> 01:05:06.780
me a moment while i lock this house to protect

01:05:06.780 --> 01:05:09.739
it from this that is exactly what you said yes

01:05:09.739 --> 01:05:13.480
and then you couldn't i think you like dropped

01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:15.019
the key and couldn't find it for a second and

01:05:15.019 --> 01:05:17.300
someone in the crowd showered the witch has magicked

01:05:17.300 --> 01:05:21.250
it away and i just stood there going no i didn't

01:05:21.250 --> 01:05:25.630
do it it wasn't me and then you marched me off

01:05:25.630 --> 01:05:30.670
to the hub yeah i had a bell like one of those

01:05:30.670 --> 01:05:33.250
proper old school bells which was really cool

01:05:33.250 --> 01:05:38.070
yeah um and we have a um a paddle which is basically

01:05:38.070 --> 01:05:43.170
a copy of the new testament on a stick yeah somebody

01:05:43.170 --> 01:05:46.070
has glued together an actual copy of the new

01:05:46.070 --> 01:05:49.289
testament and then drilled into it and put a

01:05:49.289 --> 01:05:51.670
stick on it. So I was using that to kick you,

01:05:51.690 --> 01:05:54.909
to make you move, and to punish you for your

01:05:54.909 --> 01:05:59.409
devilish ways. And the crowd really started to

01:05:59.409 --> 01:06:01.730
gather on that walk over to the hub and just

01:06:01.730 --> 01:06:05.380
got louder and angrier. everyone like most of

01:06:05.380 --> 01:06:07.119
these people are my friends and some of them

01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:08.800
didn't know me but everyone who did know me are

01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:11.179
people that like me yeah and they were all like

01:06:11.179 --> 01:06:13.980
out for blood like loads of accusations flying

01:06:13.980 --> 01:06:17.539
loads of booing uh the sexy cow was mooing instead

01:06:17.539 --> 01:06:20.619
of booing which was a nice touch um but yeah

01:06:20.619 --> 01:06:23.860
everyone accusing me um the sexy cow accused

01:06:23.860 --> 01:06:26.659
me of having turned her into a cow yep um one

01:06:26.659 --> 01:06:30.710
of our friends turned up uh uh tom tom from insert

01:06:30.710 --> 01:06:33.889
here kink yeah turned up in lingerie and cat

01:06:33.889 --> 01:06:36.750
ears and a butt plug tail and announced that

01:06:36.750 --> 01:06:39.289
i had turned him queer yes which i mean if that

01:06:39.289 --> 01:06:41.210
was the case i'd done a very thorough job done

01:06:41.210 --> 01:06:44.150
a really good job but it was that sort of thing

01:06:44.150 --> 01:06:48.110
that that kind of helped me to to start to engage

01:06:48.110 --> 01:06:50.050
with the people around us so i was walking along

01:06:50.050 --> 01:06:51.829
with you hitting you with the bible ringing the

01:06:51.829 --> 01:06:56.360
bell we found a witch we found a witch um And

01:06:56.360 --> 01:06:58.579
then Tom's partner, Kay, said they turned them

01:06:58.579 --> 01:07:02.920
queer. And I kind of echoed that back to them.

01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:05.940
They were ringing the bell. She turned them queer!

01:07:06.820 --> 01:07:13.380
Full volume as well. Yeah. So that little walk

01:07:13.380 --> 01:07:14.880
to the hub was quite good because they were all

01:07:14.880 --> 01:07:16.840
behind me. I could hear them booing and jeering

01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:19.139
and shouting and stuff like that. And it kind

01:07:19.139 --> 01:07:21.820
of helped get me into it. Yeah. Was it helpful

01:07:21.820 --> 01:07:23.679
for you that they were all on your side mix,

01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:26.320
given how nervous you were? Yeah, but I think

01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:28.800
I expected that. Yeah. Because we talked about

01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:30.519
this, didn't we? We didn't specifically say.

01:07:30.820 --> 01:07:33.659
When I posted the thing advertising it, which

01:07:33.659 --> 01:07:36.599
I still regret, I was inviting people to come

01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:38.679
along and boo and jeer and throw accusations.

01:07:39.460 --> 01:07:42.639
I didn't specifically say, or you can support

01:07:42.639 --> 01:07:44.860
the witch. Yeah. So people kind of took me at

01:07:44.860 --> 01:07:48.840
my word, I guess. It would have been an interesting

01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:50.940
social experiment if we'd said turn up and pick

01:07:50.940 --> 01:07:53.659
a side. yeah um but i think it was really good

01:07:53.659 --> 01:07:55.480
for my headspace that no one was on my side because

01:07:55.480 --> 01:07:57.599
i love a bit of public humiliation bit of bullying

01:07:57.599 --> 01:08:00.420
bit of emotional masochism yeah and i i wondered

01:08:00.420 --> 01:08:02.340
if maybe it was helpful for yours like if it

01:08:02.340 --> 01:08:04.500
would have been more difficult for you if the

01:08:04.500 --> 01:08:06.420
crowd had been partially against you and trying

01:08:06.420 --> 01:08:09.219
to say no let chastity go she's innocent if that

01:08:09.219 --> 01:08:10.480
would have made it more difficult or if you could

01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:12.199
have still bounced off that. No, I think I still

01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:13.460
would have bounced off that because there was

01:08:13.460 --> 01:08:15.739
another one of our friends had thought about

01:08:15.739 --> 01:08:17.699
saying something. I remember this one. She said

01:08:17.699 --> 01:08:19.359
afterwards, she told us that she'd considered

01:08:19.359 --> 01:08:22.239
saying, oh, I know she's a witch. I saw it in

01:08:22.239 --> 01:08:24.420
my tarot cards this morning. Yeah. Which would

01:08:24.420 --> 01:08:26.539
have been fucking hilarious. But she didn't because

01:08:26.539 --> 01:08:28.119
she was like, I think Jeff and I is going to

01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:30.699
get me if I do. Yeah. And I think that's what

01:08:30.699 --> 01:08:32.560
I would have done. In a way, I was kind of sad

01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:36.420
that they didn't in the end. Totally understand

01:08:36.420 --> 01:08:40.409
why they didn't. require people to to say anything

01:08:40.409 --> 01:08:44.489
at all but i think if she had i would have been

01:08:44.489 --> 01:08:47.250
like there would have been a moment of levity

01:08:47.250 --> 01:08:50.670
in it go right you're next yeah so i walked you

01:08:50.670 --> 01:08:54.829
along to the main hub so the most public part

01:08:54.829 --> 01:08:59.310
of the entire site yep right in the middle where

01:08:59.310 --> 01:09:04.000
the fire pit is viewed by from everywhere where

01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:05.939
the organizer of the event has his little outdoor

01:09:05.939 --> 01:09:07.720
office set up so he was probably there tapping

01:09:07.720 --> 01:09:09.539
away replying to messages watching it as well

01:09:09.539 --> 01:09:11.899
yeah yeah it's where the coffee station is it's

01:09:11.899 --> 01:09:14.180
where all of the activities take place it's where

01:09:14.180 --> 01:09:20.140
people gather so ridiculous place to go and that's

01:09:20.140 --> 01:09:23.300
where we did like the biggest bit of crowd work

01:09:23.300 --> 01:09:26.340
i suppose and despite everything that i've just

01:09:26.340 --> 01:09:28.500
said about not wanting to be perceived and not

01:09:28.500 --> 01:09:30.380
enjoying public speaking and stuff like that

01:09:30.380 --> 01:09:33.039
i really enjoyed that and i could tell you were

01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:34.880
really enjoying it while you were so into it

01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:38.920
and me too like how was that for you to tell

01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:42.159
us how you experienced that bit yeah it was incredible

01:09:42.159 --> 01:09:45.399
i absolutely loved it mix i was surprised how

01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:49.060
quickly it stopped feeling like a performance

01:09:49.060 --> 01:09:50.960
and started feeling very real i think it helped

01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:52.520
you were hitting me really hard with the bible

01:09:52.520 --> 01:09:54.380
yeah like we've played with that before and it's

01:09:54.380 --> 01:09:56.159
usually like it's a little bit slappy but it's

01:09:56.159 --> 01:09:59.399
not a toy i find hard to take yeah but with no

01:09:59.399 --> 01:10:02.109
warm -up being shouted at and you hitting me

01:10:02.109 --> 01:10:04.189
probably about as hard as you could with it yeah

01:10:04.189 --> 01:10:07.210
it was it was a different level um you know i

01:10:07.210 --> 01:10:09.510
was visibly bruised before we even got fully

01:10:09.510 --> 01:10:12.489
into that central hub yeah um so i was in a lot

01:10:12.489 --> 01:10:14.090
more pain than i'd expected to be that early

01:10:14.090 --> 01:10:18.470
in the scene and i absolutely loved the the reaction

01:10:18.470 --> 01:10:19.710
of the crowd and stuff it really helped with

01:10:19.710 --> 01:10:21.369
my headspace but what it specifically helped

01:10:21.369 --> 01:10:23.710
with was i felt genuinely humiliated and intimidated

01:10:23.710 --> 01:10:26.510
by it yeah um and there was a lot of humor in

01:10:26.510 --> 01:10:28.609
it you know much as it was at times a really

01:10:28.609 --> 01:10:31.680
serious scene we had said we were absolutely

01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:33.460
fine with people going a bit silly and ridiculous

01:10:33.460 --> 01:10:35.659
with it yeah um partly because that's just the

01:10:35.659 --> 01:10:37.539
nature of a lot of our friends and partly because

01:10:37.539 --> 01:10:40.420
i think that actually adds something to it like

01:10:40.420 --> 01:10:43.439
a lot of the real witch trials it was absolutely

01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:46.479
ridiculous accusations it was completely unhinged

01:10:46.479 --> 01:10:49.880
paranoia um so though the tone of what we did

01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:52.460
will have been quite different the level of ridiculous

01:10:52.460 --> 01:10:54.699
things i was being accused of actually was probably

01:10:54.699 --> 01:10:57.399
pretty accurate yeah um because of course i hadn't

01:10:57.399 --> 01:10:59.880
turned anyone into a cow i did not turn anyone

01:10:59.880 --> 01:11:04.640
bisexual you know um there was someone uh who

01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:06.979
was camped near us who'd got a sort of full head

01:11:06.979 --> 01:11:09.039
deer mask i assume for another scene they were

01:11:09.039 --> 01:11:12.600
doing who came running in at a her way through

01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:15.619
all these accusations and she like ran into your

01:11:15.619 --> 01:11:18.750
view As a deer, like making these sort of like

01:11:18.750 --> 01:11:21.069
horrified squealing noises and pointing at me.

01:11:21.109 --> 01:11:23.470
And her partner popped up and went, she turned

01:11:23.470 --> 01:11:28.649
my wife into a deer. And it was just like ridiculous.

01:11:28.729 --> 01:11:30.869
But also it was this wall of noise coming at

01:11:30.869 --> 01:11:32.609
me from all directions. And it was genuinely

01:11:32.609 --> 01:11:34.770
quite scary as well. And the humour didn't take

01:11:34.770 --> 01:11:37.970
the fear out of it. It sort of would break the

01:11:37.970 --> 01:11:39.689
tension. And then that would make the tension

01:11:39.689 --> 01:11:42.270
building back up even worse again. Because I

01:11:42.270 --> 01:11:45.229
knew that however completely ridiculous these

01:11:45.229 --> 01:11:48.229
accusations were, Jeff and I was taking them

01:11:48.229 --> 01:11:50.590
completely seriously and all it was doing was

01:11:50.590 --> 01:11:52.550
making the case against me worse and worse and

01:11:52.550 --> 01:11:54.869
worse and guaranteeing that nothing I could say

01:11:54.869 --> 01:11:57.069
was going to get through because it didn't matter

01:11:57.069 --> 01:11:59.210
how good my justifications were to Jeff and I

01:11:59.210 --> 01:12:01.369
he's just seen a woman who's been turned into

01:12:01.369 --> 01:12:04.189
a deer another who's been turned into a cow someone

01:12:04.189 --> 01:12:06.430
with a tail growing out of his butt like it's

01:12:06.430 --> 01:12:09.569
not looking good for chastity no um and I really

01:12:09.569 --> 01:12:14.710
enjoyed the the shift in tone that We went through

01:12:14.710 --> 01:12:17.550
in that scene as a couple because we'd agreed

01:12:17.550 --> 01:12:19.510
Chastity and Jeff and I were a couple. This wasn't

01:12:19.510 --> 01:12:21.470
a random witch finder going after a random woman.

01:12:21.550 --> 01:12:24.090
This was very much Jeff and I has discovered

01:12:24.090 --> 01:12:28.329
this shit where he lives. And so there was a

01:12:28.329 --> 01:12:30.689
part where we'd taken my engagement ring off

01:12:30.689 --> 01:12:32.409
for safekeeping because we knew I'd be scrabbling

01:12:32.409 --> 01:12:34.409
around with my hands on the floor. But we started

01:12:34.409 --> 01:12:36.170
the scene with me wearing your engagement ring.

01:12:36.310 --> 01:12:39.329
And then you dramatically took it off me during

01:12:39.329 --> 01:12:42.720
that. that very public part of it and um ended

01:12:42.720 --> 01:12:44.979
our relationship and said you know i i take back

01:12:44.979 --> 01:12:47.640
my betrothal i will not marry a witch and snatched

01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:49.819
it off me and put it back on yourself for safekeeping

01:12:49.819 --> 01:12:53.500
yeah um but like that was such a dramatic emotional

01:12:53.500 --> 01:12:56.319
moment that we both fully committed to and then

01:12:56.319 --> 01:12:58.399
it was after that point that chastity realized

01:12:58.399 --> 01:13:00.359
like she was not going to be able to reason with

01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:02.739
jeff and i and sort of became more defiant and

01:13:02.739 --> 01:13:05.840
was like i will give no false confession if you

01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:08.739
intend to torture me then so be it but i am no

01:13:08.739 --> 01:13:11.840
witch And that was when you had the torture,

01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:13.859
you say. Yeah, yeah. That sounds like a good

01:13:13.859 --> 01:13:19.739
idea. Yeah, yeah. Yes. And I'm ridiculously really

01:13:19.739 --> 01:13:22.279
annoyed by that because there is a line from

01:13:22.279 --> 01:13:25.020
a film which I really like. It's like somebody

01:13:25.020 --> 01:13:27.680
says, I don't know anything about any fucking

01:13:27.680 --> 01:13:29.939
robbery. You can torture me all you like. And

01:13:29.939 --> 01:13:33.619
somebody says, torture? That's a good idea. I

01:13:33.619 --> 01:13:36.300
like that. And that's what I wanted to say. Yeah.

01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:40.060
And I didn't. No, but the intent of the reference

01:13:40.060 --> 01:13:41.939
was still there. And I think you captured the

01:13:41.939 --> 01:13:44.039
vibe of it, even if it wasn't spot on. But you

01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:46.239
did sneak in later on a Hamilton quote, I believe.

01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:51.300
Yes. The accusations I lay at your feet. Which

01:13:51.300 --> 01:13:53.279
I completely missed at the time. And you pointed

01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:55.300
out to me later, I was like, you fucking nerd.

01:13:55.399 --> 01:13:58.739
Love it. It's from Your Obedient Servant. Yeah.

01:13:58.739 --> 01:14:00.899
For the accusations I lay at your feet, good

01:14:00.899 --> 01:14:04.590
man. Yeah. I was like, yeah, a little bit of

01:14:04.590 --> 01:14:06.909
nerdery. That made me very happy that they got

01:14:06.909 --> 01:14:11.029
that one in. But I think it's important just

01:14:11.029 --> 01:14:13.090
to take a moment to acknowledge the people who

01:14:13.090 --> 01:14:15.310
had gathered. I think they were not on your side.

01:14:15.409 --> 01:14:16.890
They were booing you and they were jeering and

01:14:16.890 --> 01:14:18.569
they were throwing accusations, but they weren't

01:14:18.569 --> 01:14:22.689
cruel about it. It was all very much in light

01:14:22.689 --> 01:14:25.329
-hearted, good -natured, getting involved in

01:14:25.329 --> 01:14:26.970
the scene. Oh yeah, they were doing exactly what

01:14:26.970 --> 01:14:28.930
we wanted them to do. Yeah, and they were absolutely

01:14:28.930 --> 01:14:30.770
brilliant. So you had those accusations that

01:14:30.770 --> 01:14:33.569
we just talked about. we had our friend lana

01:14:33.569 --> 01:14:36.590
who was a guest on the hypnotism episode accused

01:14:36.590 --> 01:14:39.909
you of leaving a crow's head outside of their

01:14:39.909 --> 01:14:43.569
tent which was actually there there was a crow's

01:14:43.569 --> 01:14:45.569
head outside of their tent it's true yeah yeah

01:14:45.569 --> 01:14:48.069
and my reply back to that was do you not think

01:14:48.069 --> 01:14:50.449
a fox may have left a crow's head outside of

01:14:50.449 --> 01:14:52.189
your tent which is what had obviously actually

01:14:52.189 --> 01:14:55.670
happened yes because me and lana had both been

01:14:55.670 --> 01:14:57.289
told off the day before for trying to touch the

01:14:57.289 --> 01:15:00.329
crow's head Me by you, Lana by Edward. We were

01:15:00.329 --> 01:15:01.949
both forbidden from touching the crow's head.

01:15:02.109 --> 01:15:04.390
Yes. Much to our displeasure. Quite right too.

01:15:05.710 --> 01:15:09.869
And there was probably more accusations which

01:15:09.869 --> 01:15:14.289
I just cannot remember from that. No, I'm trying

01:15:14.289 --> 01:15:15.590
to remember if there were any others. There were

01:15:15.590 --> 01:15:18.069
definitely so many others and they were fantastic.

01:15:18.550 --> 01:15:20.289
Someone accused me of having turned their hair

01:15:20.289 --> 01:15:23.670
purple. Yes, that is true. I think on the walk

01:15:23.670 --> 01:15:26.949
up to the interrogation, a few people accused

01:15:26.949 --> 01:15:28.949
you of giving them a bad night's sleep. Yes,

01:15:29.010 --> 01:15:31.430
a whole series of people. Someone said she gave

01:15:31.430 --> 01:15:33.109
me a bad night's sleep. And then someone else

01:15:33.109 --> 01:15:35.369
said she also gave me a bad night's sleep. She

01:15:35.369 --> 01:15:37.449
also gave me a bad night's sleep, like a whole

01:15:37.449 --> 01:15:39.609
chorus of them. And someone also accused me of

01:15:39.609 --> 01:15:41.470
having put sand and rocks in their shoes as we

01:15:41.470 --> 01:15:43.689
were walking over a big slope of slippery sand

01:15:43.689 --> 01:15:47.340
and gravel. Yes. But one of my favourite moments

01:15:47.340 --> 01:15:50.060
at the hub wasn't an accusation. It was a funny

01:15:50.060 --> 01:15:52.600
comment and how you responded to it. So you were

01:15:52.600 --> 01:15:54.659
beating me with the Bible on a stick and I was

01:15:54.659 --> 01:15:56.739
crying and falling to my knees and getting back

01:15:56.739 --> 01:15:59.539
up and being hit again. All very dramatic and

01:15:59.539 --> 01:16:01.680
still not confessing, though. So someone shouted

01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:04.380
up, I think you need a bigger spatula. And you

01:16:04.380 --> 01:16:07.699
went, there is no bigger spatula than the Bible.

01:16:13.820 --> 01:16:16.079
And like shoved the Bible in his face as well.

01:16:16.079 --> 01:16:20.880
He stepped towards him and brandished it. Yes,

01:16:20.899 --> 01:16:23.359
I was very proud of that. Yeah. That was also

01:16:23.359 --> 01:16:26.500
the guy who made the Blackadder reference when

01:16:26.500 --> 01:16:29.539
the person with the deer's head came. Yes. I

01:16:29.539 --> 01:16:31.340
was like, I'm trying to be serious. But I thought

01:16:31.340 --> 01:16:33.720
that was really nice. Those moments of humour

01:16:33.720 --> 01:16:36.859
and kind of... playing off the people who were

01:16:36.859 --> 01:16:39.159
there yeah i had a lot of fun with that yeah

01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:41.720
i'm like stalking around you and kind of not

01:16:41.720 --> 01:16:44.579
really standing still when i was yeah getting

01:16:44.579 --> 01:16:46.479
up in my face at points and then walking away

01:16:46.479 --> 01:16:47.979
from me to address the crowd and then coming

01:16:47.979 --> 01:16:50.819
back in really close yeah and there was a really

01:16:50.819 --> 01:16:52.779
sort of dramatic moment where i was doing my

01:16:52.779 --> 01:16:54.460
whole bit near the end of that that part of the

01:16:54.460 --> 01:16:56.319
scene saying i will give no false confession

01:16:57.050 --> 01:17:01.229
I will not lie. You know, I am no witch. And

01:17:01.229 --> 01:17:03.470
then I said, all the words in my mouth are just.

01:17:03.869 --> 01:17:06.090
And you at that time had no idea what that was

01:17:06.090 --> 01:17:08.449
going to be. You didn't know that was the beginning

01:17:08.449 --> 01:17:11.270
of my ramble. So I was quite proud of myself,

01:17:11.390 --> 01:17:15.489
like, slipping that in there. You call me a nerd.

01:17:15.789 --> 01:17:19.329
Yeah. We're both big nerds. A scene like this

01:17:19.329 --> 01:17:22.409
is just pure fucking nerdery. Yes. Like, people

01:17:22.409 --> 01:17:24.210
who aren't familiar with kink would probably

01:17:24.210 --> 01:17:26.369
get hung up on all the sort of violence and humiliation

01:17:26.369 --> 01:17:28.729
and all those aspects of it and be like, oh my

01:17:28.729 --> 01:17:30.630
god, it's so dark. But it's like, yeah, it is,

01:17:30.689 --> 01:17:32.529
but that's stuff we do for fun and all the rest

01:17:32.529 --> 01:17:34.630
of it was just us being big fucking nerds and

01:17:34.630 --> 01:17:38.529
doing a ridiculous extreme larp. Yeah. Yes. Yes,

01:17:38.569 --> 01:17:41.989
we did. So we moved on from the hub. So we had

01:17:41.989 --> 01:17:43.810
a bit of a walk, didn't we? I kind of shoved

01:17:43.810 --> 01:17:46.329
you in the direction of the path, which we both

01:17:46.329 --> 01:17:49.329
knew. yeah we both knew where we were going um

01:17:49.329 --> 01:17:51.409
but i was kind of shoving you along and i think

01:17:51.409 --> 01:17:52.829
you fell over a couple of times as well yeah

01:17:52.829 --> 01:17:54.829
it was hard to walk at the pace you were setting

01:17:54.829 --> 01:17:57.329
uh with my feet chained together and you were

01:17:57.329 --> 01:17:59.149
hitting me as well so i fell over a few times

01:17:59.149 --> 01:18:01.329
and then at one point you were pushing me to

01:18:01.329 --> 01:18:03.989
go even faster and i went jeff and i had no please

01:18:03.989 --> 01:18:06.909
i will fall and you said uh if you were a good

01:18:06.909 --> 01:18:08.890
christian god would protect you from your fall

01:18:08.890 --> 01:18:10.810
yeah and i turned and looked at you and went

01:18:10.810 --> 01:18:13.250
will he protect you from yours and then spat

01:18:13.250 --> 01:18:17.600
in your face Which was another of my badass moments.

01:18:18.260 --> 01:18:26.060
Spitting number one. But also, I think that was

01:18:26.060 --> 01:18:28.100
the first time that I spontaneously kind of broke

01:18:28.100 --> 01:18:30.380
the scene a little bit. Yeah. Because I was checking

01:18:30.380 --> 01:18:32.079
that the pace was okay, because you had fallen

01:18:32.079 --> 01:18:34.840
over. Yeah. And conscious that I didn't want

01:18:34.840 --> 01:18:38.260
you to break anything. So I think I checked a

01:18:38.260 --> 01:18:41.729
couple of times that the pace was okay. And I

01:18:41.729 --> 01:18:43.329
never asked about that, actually. I don't know

01:18:43.329 --> 01:18:45.510
whether that was, like, a bad thing to do. No,

01:18:45.569 --> 01:18:49.850
I think that was okay, Mix. I responded in character.

01:18:50.069 --> 01:18:51.949
I was like, yes, Jeff and I are. So there was

01:18:51.949 --> 01:18:55.770
a little bit of hitting you with the Bible. The

01:18:55.770 --> 01:18:58.390
route that we took took us past some of the other

01:18:58.390 --> 01:19:01.569
camping areas. Yeah. So I made sure to ring my

01:19:01.569 --> 01:19:03.729
bell and shout witch and say that we found a

01:19:03.729 --> 01:19:05.590
witch and stuff like that. There was a couple

01:19:05.590 --> 01:19:07.810
of people kind of in the woods shouting as we

01:19:07.810 --> 01:19:10.579
went past, kind of burn the witch sort of. yeah

01:19:10.579 --> 01:19:14.479
sort of thing which was quite nice um but i was

01:19:14.479 --> 01:19:16.560
genuinely shocked by how many people followed

01:19:16.560 --> 01:19:19.260
us yeah we we both thought that a lot of the

01:19:19.260 --> 01:19:20.979
crowd would dissipate at that point and go now

01:19:20.979 --> 01:19:23.220
i'll not come up into the woods yeah but vast

01:19:23.220 --> 01:19:24.920
majority of them did there must have been at

01:19:24.920 --> 01:19:27.140
least 30 people who came up into the woods and

01:19:27.140 --> 01:19:31.090
stayed to basically the end yeah yeah yeah There

01:19:31.090 --> 01:19:34.149
was that moment just as we were leaving the hub

01:19:34.149 --> 01:19:36.489
where I felt really bad because somebody had

01:19:36.489 --> 01:19:39.090
come along to watch and had kind of brought a

01:19:39.090 --> 01:19:40.810
chair with them. And they weren't going to follow

01:19:40.810 --> 01:19:44.510
us up into the woods because of their mobility.

01:19:44.670 --> 01:19:46.750
They wouldn't have been able to. They chose not

01:19:46.750 --> 01:19:50.210
to do that. But just as they sat down, we started

01:19:50.210 --> 01:19:53.050
moving off. And all I could hear in the background

01:19:53.050 --> 01:19:55.670
was this kind of fairly small voice going, I've

01:19:55.670 --> 01:20:01.020
just sat down. Oh, no. I completely forgot to

01:20:01.020 --> 01:20:02.539
mention. We knew we'd forget stuff. You also

01:20:02.539 --> 01:20:04.800
cut my skirt off me in the hub. Oh, yes. And

01:20:04.800 --> 01:20:06.920
that's where you discovered the crystal that

01:20:06.920 --> 01:20:09.319
I'd stashed inside me. Yeah. And snatched that

01:20:09.319 --> 01:20:11.359
out. And as always, Chastity had a plausible

01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:13.600
explanation for everything. Yeah. And you asked,

01:20:13.659 --> 01:20:15.479
why? Why is this in there if you're not a witch?

01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:18.560
And I was like, oh, I squeeze it for the health

01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:21.520
of my pelvic floor so that on our blessed wedding

01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:24.140
night, I could please you better. Yeah. Which

01:20:24.140 --> 01:20:27.979
Jeff and I was not buying. No. No. But it was

01:20:27.979 --> 01:20:29.380
also really hard to keep a straight face because

01:20:29.380 --> 01:20:32.819
that was really funny. Yeah. But you didn't check

01:20:32.819 --> 01:20:34.859
my front of my underwear, so you missed the jars.

01:20:35.079 --> 01:20:36.960
And you'd left my blouse on at that point, so

01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:38.920
you hadn't got to the crystals in my necklace.

01:20:39.039 --> 01:20:41.600
That came later. Which makes it even more ridiculous

01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:43.239
that I didn't find the jars because I was literally

01:20:43.239 --> 01:20:46.399
kneeling in front of you. With your hand in my

01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:51.279
underwear? Yeah. With my hand in... With my hand

01:20:51.279 --> 01:20:54.680
in your underwear. and it right in my face yeah

01:20:54.680 --> 01:20:57.760
like i was up close and personal i know i couldn't

01:20:57.760 --> 01:21:02.119
believe you didn't spot them no ridiculous there

01:21:02.119 --> 01:21:03.600
were a couple of our friends in the audience

01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:05.479
who i had told about what clues i'd hidden as

01:21:05.479 --> 01:21:07.140
well and they were watching at that point like

01:21:07.140 --> 01:21:10.119
go on just look just look but they obviously

01:21:10.119 --> 01:21:12.699
they didn't want to like they weren't much as

01:21:12.699 --> 01:21:14.140
everyone was joining in with accusations and

01:21:14.140 --> 01:21:15.539
stuff they weren't there to give spoilers or

01:21:15.539 --> 01:21:17.260
tell us each other's strategies so they didn't

01:21:17.260 --> 01:21:19.060
intervene but it must have been so frustrating

01:21:19.060 --> 01:21:21.239
to watch as well for the people who knew yeah

01:21:21.239 --> 01:21:23.819
evidence right there right there literally right

01:21:23.819 --> 01:21:27.739
in front of your face so we got to the woods

01:21:27.739 --> 01:21:30.020
uh we got to the little wooden shack in the woods

01:21:30.020 --> 01:21:33.760
where you had set up for the interrogation yes

01:21:33.760 --> 01:21:36.960
and it was an amazing little spot we found it

01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:41.100
the day before um It was like a little covered

01:21:41.100 --> 01:21:45.680
shack kind of thing with wooden poles as supports.

01:21:46.199 --> 01:21:49.119
So I was kind of shoving you into it. So I'd

01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:52.020
set up the acupressure mat by the pole that I

01:21:52.020 --> 01:21:55.300
was going to attach you to. And I kind of forced

01:21:55.300 --> 01:21:57.779
you down onto your knees and told you to recite

01:21:57.779 --> 01:22:00.859
the Lord's Prayer, which you started doing without

01:22:00.859 --> 01:22:05.720
making what I called the sacred hand sign. Yes.

01:22:06.039 --> 01:22:08.850
Because in that moment, I could not. i still

01:22:08.850 --> 01:22:10.470
don't actually know what you would call it no

01:22:10.470 --> 01:22:12.329
so putting your hands together to pray i don't

01:22:12.329 --> 01:22:14.149
know if there's a word for that yeah yeah but

01:22:14.149 --> 01:22:15.949
yeah i started the lord's prayer and you shouted

01:22:15.949 --> 01:22:19.770
uh do you not even make the sacred hand sign

01:22:19.770 --> 01:22:22.609
so i made the sacred hand sign yeah and restarted

01:22:22.609 --> 01:22:25.189
it um but i'd known one of the things we had

01:22:25.189 --> 01:22:27.010
planned was that part of it was going to involve

01:22:27.010 --> 01:22:29.109
me being forced to recite the lord's prayer so

01:22:29.109 --> 01:22:32.140
i'd been practicing it for a good few days emphasizing

01:22:32.140 --> 01:22:34.420
every eighth word yeah which was another of my

01:22:34.420 --> 01:22:37.779
little sneaky things so i started that um our

01:22:37.779 --> 01:22:40.600
father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name

01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:43.859
thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as

01:22:43.859 --> 01:22:46.979
it is in heaven and you didn't notice no i didn't

01:22:46.979 --> 01:22:48.859
notice um but i also didn't manage to sustain

01:22:48.859 --> 01:22:50.539
that for very long because then you started hitting

01:22:50.539 --> 01:22:52.960
me yeah i think part of the reason why i didn't

01:22:52.960 --> 01:22:54.600
notice is that almost immediately you started

01:22:54.600 --> 01:22:57.119
wailing on you with the rubber ladder that i

01:22:57.119 --> 01:23:00.560
brought with me yeah um you know Because again,

01:23:00.579 --> 01:23:02.399
that was something that I'd picked up from my

01:23:02.399 --> 01:23:05.560
research was one of the tests that I gave was

01:23:05.560 --> 01:23:08.760
to make people recite the Lord's Prayer on the

01:23:08.760 --> 01:23:12.439
logic that anyone who is a good Christian person

01:23:12.439 --> 01:23:15.899
would be able to recite the Lord's Prayer uninterrupted.

01:23:15.899 --> 01:23:17.739
Yeah. And wouldn't stumble over their words.

01:23:18.760 --> 01:23:23.159
I don't know whether they beat the accused witches

01:23:23.159 --> 01:23:28.119
while they were doing it, but I did. Yeah. So

01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:30.840
using the rubber ladder on your back. Which was

01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:33.579
horrible. Yeah. So it's a really lightweight

01:23:33.579 --> 01:23:35.699
thing. So it wasn't kind of dangerous to your

01:23:35.699 --> 01:23:39.659
bones or anything. But really, really stingy.

01:23:39.659 --> 01:23:41.619
Really, really whippy. And I have never hit you.

01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:44.260
Never hit you there. And never hit you that hard.

01:23:44.880 --> 01:23:47.739
Yeah. With it. Yeah, because that's one of the

01:23:47.739 --> 01:23:49.560
nastiest things we have that I struggle to take.

01:23:49.640 --> 01:23:52.170
So we tend to use that pretty lightly. for play

01:23:52.170 --> 01:23:56.029
um it's um the we call it a rubber ladder it's

01:23:56.029 --> 01:23:59.090
a strap that is used i think for securing caravans

01:23:59.090 --> 01:24:01.369
or caravan awnings or something it's right um

01:24:01.369 --> 01:24:04.970
like thin rubber ladder shaped um and getting

01:24:04.970 --> 01:24:07.529
hit with that at all but particularly if it's

01:24:07.529 --> 01:24:09.630
really hard and particularly sort of over over

01:24:09.630 --> 01:24:11.869
bone the way it is over like the ribs in my back

01:24:11.869 --> 01:24:14.949
yeah um it literally feels like i'm being cut

01:24:14.949 --> 01:24:18.659
it's like fire it's just white hot pain that

01:24:18.659 --> 01:24:21.100
really penetrates right down to the bone is absolutely

01:24:21.100 --> 01:24:24.000
awful it feels very similar to a lot of the rubber

01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:26.079
whippy things that were used i didn't even realize

01:24:26.079 --> 01:24:27.840
you had used that until afterwards i thought

01:24:27.840 --> 01:24:30.319
that was probably the shambok yeah um but it

01:24:30.319 --> 01:24:34.119
was it's that type of pain uh absolutely brutal

01:24:34.119 --> 01:24:36.520
and that was the point where i realized like

01:24:36.520 --> 01:24:38.420
i'm definitely not going to win this interrogation

01:24:38.420 --> 01:24:40.760
i was hopeful i could last a good while but i

01:24:40.760 --> 01:24:42.909
was like they're just going to keep doing this

01:24:42.909 --> 01:24:45.310
aren't they this is the plan yeah this is this

01:24:45.310 --> 01:24:48.189
is the plan yeah so then you uh cut my top off

01:24:48.189 --> 01:24:52.710
yes i did and i remember thinking like i'd known

01:24:52.710 --> 01:24:54.130
that getting my clothes cut off was going to

01:24:54.130 --> 01:24:56.250
be a part of it and i remember thinking like

01:24:56.250 --> 01:24:58.750
this shirt is not really protecting me from this

01:24:58.750 --> 01:25:01.250
whipping at all no but i am going to feel the

01:25:01.250 --> 01:25:04.350
difference when it's off and i did yeah was it

01:25:04.350 --> 01:25:06.789
a big difference was it it was yeah mix i think

01:25:07.739 --> 01:25:10.760
like probably in in real terms probably not actually

01:25:10.760 --> 01:25:12.279
a huge difference but i think just psychologically

01:25:12.279 --> 01:25:14.199
knowing it was on bare skin made it hurt more

01:25:14.199 --> 01:25:16.479
yeah um because it was only a thin shirt but

01:25:16.479 --> 01:25:19.079
it really felt a lot worse but also cutting my

01:25:19.079 --> 01:25:21.380
shirt off was also when you discovered the pouch

01:25:21.380 --> 01:25:25.479
of crystals around my neck i did yes so i i questioned

01:25:25.479 --> 01:25:29.279
you about that i did i mean quite how you expected

01:25:29.279 --> 01:25:32.800
me to detect that there were 24 crystals three

01:25:32.800 --> 01:25:35.760
lots of eight in there without kind of pulling

01:25:35.760 --> 01:25:38.649
them out Counting them. Well, I had told you

01:25:38.649 --> 01:25:40.430
that you had my full permission to damage or

01:25:40.430 --> 01:25:42.289
destroy any of the evidence on me, which I thought

01:25:42.289 --> 01:25:43.829
might give you a hint that you might want to

01:25:43.829 --> 01:25:46.270
do that. So I thought you might open the pouch.

01:25:46.329 --> 01:25:48.390
I thought if you'd found the little glass bottles

01:25:48.390 --> 01:25:49.789
that you might have smashed them to get in and

01:25:49.789 --> 01:25:51.970
find out what the sigils were. Yeah. Things like

01:25:51.970 --> 01:25:54.770
that. True. But you didn't. But you asked me

01:25:54.770 --> 01:25:58.229
what it was. And I said that I didn't know what

01:25:58.229 --> 01:26:00.489
it was, but that it belonged to my mother who

01:26:00.489 --> 01:26:02.949
had been dead for eight years. Eight years. Eight

01:26:02.949 --> 01:26:06.460
years. And so I wore it to honour her. Yeah.

01:26:06.579 --> 01:26:09.140
And you were having none of that. You said that

01:26:09.140 --> 01:26:11.340
my mother was a witch and so was I. Yeah. Which

01:26:11.340 --> 01:26:14.180
was true. Yes. I was thinking about that when

01:26:14.180 --> 01:26:15.840
you were talking about your kind of layers earlier

01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:20.060
on. Did I reveal one of your confessions, your

01:26:20.060 --> 01:26:22.699
not confession confessions before you gave it?

01:26:22.739 --> 01:26:25.739
Because you said it was from your mother and

01:26:25.739 --> 01:26:28.510
then I accused her of being a witch. Yeah. Yeah,

01:26:28.529 --> 01:26:30.850
but I denied it at that point, Mix. So I still

01:26:30.850 --> 01:26:32.989
held on to that as a confession for later. But

01:26:32.989 --> 01:26:34.810
yeah, like Jeff and I, I was pretty sharp. Immediately

01:26:34.810 --> 01:26:36.949
picked up that my mother was a witch due to the

01:26:36.949 --> 01:26:39.050
suspicious pouch of hers that I was wearing.

01:26:39.149 --> 01:26:42.489
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which made sense, but you also

01:26:42.489 --> 01:26:43.909
could have gone in the direction of being like,

01:26:43.970 --> 01:26:45.630
I bet this isn't your mother's, it's just yours.

01:26:46.470 --> 01:26:48.470
Yeah. So it was kind of 50 -50 which of those

01:26:48.470 --> 01:26:50.210
you would seize onto. But yeah, you immediately

01:26:50.210 --> 01:26:52.289
decided that Chastity's mother must have been

01:26:52.289 --> 01:26:55.720
a witch. Yeah. but for a reason that is not related

01:26:55.720 --> 01:26:57.779
to the scene. So one of the conversations that

01:26:57.779 --> 01:27:04.300
we had in that third session was drawing on things

01:27:04.300 --> 01:27:06.840
from our actual life. So one of my favourite

01:27:06.840 --> 01:27:08.960
accusations that I levelled against you was about

01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:11.260
your sourdough skills. Yeah. I was like, how

01:27:11.260 --> 01:27:14.359
could you be so good so quickly at sourdough

01:27:14.359 --> 01:27:16.720
if not for the devil's influence, that sort of

01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:21.279
thing? So I was checking in with you about a

01:27:21.279 --> 01:27:24.020
lot of the... ideas that i've had for the things

01:27:24.020 --> 01:27:26.520
that i could accuse you of are based on cariesal

01:27:26.520 --> 01:27:29.699
yeah not on chastity because i don't know enough

01:27:29.699 --> 01:27:31.859
about chastity to be able to do that and i didn't

01:27:31.859 --> 01:27:35.300
expect you to have a fully formed biography to

01:27:35.300 --> 01:27:38.300
kind of share with me so you you said yes that

01:27:38.300 --> 01:27:40.920
was okay so like sourdough skills was one of

01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:44.180
them so when you said that the pouch belonged

01:27:44.180 --> 01:27:47.920
to your mother it was purely because of who your

01:27:47.920 --> 01:27:56.170
mother is like as we have discussed in previous

01:27:56.170 --> 01:27:58.770
episodes not the best person not the best person

01:27:58.770 --> 01:28:00.449
you do not have a relationship with your mother

01:28:00.449 --> 01:28:05.130
so so that's that's immediate that's where my

01:28:05.130 --> 01:28:09.210
head went with that so same outcome successfully

01:28:09.210 --> 01:28:11.229
accusing your mother of being a witch in the

01:28:11.229 --> 01:28:13.210
scene but there was also a part of me that was

01:28:13.210 --> 01:28:21.310
just calling your mother a witch so valid and

01:28:21.310 --> 01:28:23.609
like uh checking in you with checking in with

01:28:23.609 --> 01:28:27.130
you that i could kind of defame your patron goddess

01:28:27.130 --> 01:28:30.829
yeah inanna yeah um you advise you advise me

01:28:30.829 --> 01:28:33.489
against doing that to your other patron goddess

01:28:33.489 --> 01:28:39.369
yeah which is yeah um so inanna is like my primary

01:28:39.369 --> 01:28:42.170
patron goddess but i also um pray to areshkigal

01:28:42.170 --> 01:28:43.930
really frequently i think it's good to have a

01:28:43.930 --> 01:28:46.640
positive relationship with a death god generally

01:28:46.640 --> 01:28:50.699
like wise. But I don't think Ereshkigal would

01:28:50.699 --> 01:28:53.569
necessarily have the same. sense of humour about

01:28:53.569 --> 01:28:56.409
a scene like that. Traditionally, a lot of Inanna's

01:28:56.409 --> 01:28:58.909
worship involved a lot of what would probably

01:28:58.909 --> 01:29:01.630
now be considered BDSM, so people whipping themselves

01:29:01.630 --> 01:29:03.810
on each other to go into an ecstatic frenzy.

01:29:04.689 --> 01:29:07.590
A lot of, at least, allegations of, like, group

01:29:07.590 --> 01:29:11.430
sex and things like that with priests. A lot

01:29:11.430 --> 01:29:14.369
of LGBT people seem to be drawn towards Inanna.

01:29:14.609 --> 01:29:16.369
There's a lot of writings about her that talk

01:29:16.369 --> 01:29:18.289
about her changing man into woman and woman into

01:29:18.289 --> 01:29:22.050
man. So I was like... we're doing some queer

01:29:22.050 --> 01:29:27.109
bdsm yeah shit in the woods um yeah i think she'd

01:29:27.109 --> 01:29:28.390
be on board with that i think she'd think it

01:29:28.390 --> 01:29:30.029
was really cool and actually probably take it

01:29:30.029 --> 01:29:31.869
as quite respectful so including a little bit

01:29:31.869 --> 01:29:34.609
of blasphemy in my religion i mean it felt fair

01:29:34.609 --> 01:29:36.890
given how much blasphemy there was in christianity

01:29:36.890 --> 01:29:38.970
that we were doing it's like yeah okay like equal

01:29:38.970 --> 01:29:41.329
opportunity blasphemy for all yeah so yeah i

01:29:41.329 --> 01:29:44.189
said feel free to insult her which you did which

01:29:44.189 --> 01:29:48.289
i did but did not just to be very clear in case

01:29:48.289 --> 01:29:53.840
she Yes, Mix. In case she is listening, I did

01:29:53.840 --> 01:29:57.239
not insult or blaspheme against Ereshkigal. No.

01:29:57.699 --> 01:30:02.460
Because I am very respectful of the deities that

01:30:02.460 --> 01:30:10.159
decide where I go in the next existence. Yeah,

01:30:10.279 --> 01:30:15.560
we play nice with Ereshkigal. Yes. And then I

01:30:15.560 --> 01:30:17.920
think I just hit you some more. Yeah, I mean,

01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:19.319
this is the point where I think the order of

01:30:19.319 --> 01:30:21.140
things gets a little bit scrambled for us because

01:30:21.140 --> 01:30:24.699
we're both very much in it. Yeah. But I know

01:30:24.699 --> 01:30:27.380
there was a lot of hitting me with various horrible

01:30:27.380 --> 01:30:30.069
whippy things. Yeah. all over as well because

01:30:30.069 --> 01:30:32.310
i would you sort of hit my back and then i would

01:30:32.310 --> 01:30:34.229
lean back and put my back up against the post

01:30:34.229 --> 01:30:35.949
so you couldn't get it and you would whip my

01:30:35.949 --> 01:30:37.409
thighs and then i would lean forward to cover

01:30:37.409 --> 01:30:39.250
my thighs and you would get my back yeah and

01:30:39.250 --> 01:30:41.170
then i would try running around the pole to get

01:30:41.170 --> 01:30:43.029
away from you and you would just lash at my legs

01:30:43.029 --> 01:30:45.489
as i was going yeah and get my calves and the

01:30:45.489 --> 01:30:47.149
backs of my knees and all sorts of horrible things

01:30:47.149 --> 01:30:48.970
and i would then go okay but i'd better crouch

01:30:48.970 --> 01:30:51.890
down again yeah um and it was just relentless

01:30:51.890 --> 01:30:54.250
lots and lots and lots of whipping and yelling

01:30:54.250 --> 01:30:56.550
and accusations from you and the crowd throughout

01:30:56.550 --> 01:30:59.289
yeah yeah i got you out of the manacles and put

01:30:59.289 --> 01:31:00.949
you into a pair of police cuffs didn't i and

01:31:00.949 --> 01:31:03.710
i had you at very at different points in this

01:31:03.710 --> 01:31:05.609
you know i either had you kind of cuffed around

01:31:05.609 --> 01:31:08.199
the pole so that you were facing it yeah With

01:31:08.199 --> 01:31:09.899
your hands in front of you. And then there was

01:31:09.899 --> 01:31:12.020
a period where I swapped you around and you had

01:31:12.020 --> 01:31:14.720
your hands behind you. Yeah. Yeah. So the bulk

01:31:14.720 --> 01:31:16.479
of the scene, my hands were in front of me and

01:31:16.479 --> 01:31:19.579
you did that for the whipping. You did that for

01:31:19.579 --> 01:31:22.600
the waterboarding, which is the next thing we

01:31:22.600 --> 01:31:24.699
can talk about. And you did that for the stuff

01:31:24.699 --> 01:31:28.020
involving your horrible, unhealthy piss. Yes.

01:31:28.140 --> 01:31:30.260
And then you switched me to hands behind my back

01:31:30.260 --> 01:31:33.859
for some beating the fronts of my thighs and

01:31:33.859 --> 01:31:35.840
the stomach slapping, which came a little later

01:31:35.840 --> 01:31:38.579
in the process. Yes. So the next thing was the

01:31:38.579 --> 01:31:41.720
waterboarding. Yes. Which is the most intense

01:31:41.720 --> 01:31:44.100
version of waterboarding we've done, I think,

01:31:44.100 --> 01:31:46.979
including the first interrogation. Yeah. Yeah,

01:31:47.020 --> 01:31:50.479
I would agree, Mix. Yeah. So you were, I think

01:31:50.479 --> 01:31:52.239
I had you standing up for most of it, to be fair,

01:31:52.260 --> 01:31:53.579
although some of it was on your knees as well.

01:31:53.600 --> 01:31:55.420
I was mostly on my knees for it, Mix. I think

01:31:55.420 --> 01:31:56.979
you tried to start it with me standing up and

01:31:56.979 --> 01:31:58.720
then I tried to dodge away from it by going onto

01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:00.979
my knees. So you came down to my level. Yeah,

01:32:00.979 --> 01:32:06.899
yeah. I say it felt really intense for me. But

01:32:06.899 --> 01:32:09.420
like normally we would use the watering can with

01:32:09.420 --> 01:32:12.840
the little sprinkly spout on it. That wasn't

01:32:12.840 --> 01:32:15.100
getting the result that I wanted. So I kind of

01:32:15.100 --> 01:32:17.340
pulled the spout off, pulled the little sprinkly

01:32:17.340 --> 01:32:19.180
spout off and just did it out of the watering

01:32:19.180 --> 01:32:22.039
can. Yeah. Which meant that it was much faster

01:32:22.039 --> 01:32:25.500
than it normally is. Yeah. I don't think I did

01:32:25.500 --> 01:32:28.300
it for much longer than I normally would. No,

01:32:28.340 --> 01:32:30.420
I think similar timeframes. And because I was

01:32:30.420 --> 01:32:33.060
somewhat upright for it, it wasn't the most intense

01:32:33.060 --> 01:32:36.850
angle for it. The psychological element of it

01:32:36.850 --> 01:32:38.869
being in an interrogation scene, the water coming

01:32:38.869 --> 01:32:41.529
harder and faster like that was a lot harder

01:32:41.529 --> 01:32:43.550
to breathe through. It felt really intense and

01:32:43.550 --> 01:32:46.750
really nasty. Just to note as well, the entire

01:32:46.750 --> 01:32:48.489
time all of this was going on is I'd been doing

01:32:48.489 --> 01:32:51.869
my insane monologue. So from after about the

01:32:51.869 --> 01:32:53.529
third repetition of the Lord's Prayer, I decided,

01:32:53.630 --> 01:32:55.909
fuck that. I'm not continuing to do that for

01:32:55.909 --> 01:32:58.270
you. So you shouted in my face, pray. And I made

01:32:58.270 --> 01:33:00.329
direct eye contact and started my monologue.

01:33:00.609 --> 01:33:02.869
All the words in my mouth are just, none of them

01:33:02.869 --> 01:33:04.470
is crooked or perverse. And you got this look

01:33:04.470 --> 01:33:07.890
on your face like, the fuck is this? Yes. And

01:33:07.890 --> 01:33:09.510
then I continued that through the whipping and

01:33:09.510 --> 01:33:11.550
I continued it through a fair chunk of the waterboarding.

01:33:11.689 --> 01:33:13.529
I couldn't do it while you were actually pouring.

01:33:13.890 --> 01:33:15.789
But every time you put the cloth over my face,

01:33:15.810 --> 01:33:17.489
I would just be there muttering my little monologue

01:33:17.489 --> 01:33:19.670
away to myself. And then I would stop. to hold

01:33:19.670 --> 01:33:22.529
my breath yeah breathe as best as i could through

01:33:22.529 --> 01:33:24.229
the waterboarding and as soon as i cleared the

01:33:24.229 --> 01:33:26.789
water out my nose start up again yeah you were

01:33:26.789 --> 01:33:30.090
very frustrated by it i was there was a moment

01:33:30.090 --> 01:33:33.210
when you started doing that where i was actually

01:33:33.210 --> 01:33:36.569
frustrated with you because i was like you said

01:33:36.569 --> 01:33:39.590
you wouldn't do this and then i then very quickly

01:33:39.590 --> 01:33:43.050
remembered that you had been quite specific in

01:33:43.050 --> 01:33:44.909
what you had said you wouldn't do you wouldn't

01:33:44.909 --> 01:33:48.079
use silence and you wouldn't use songs yep And

01:33:48.079 --> 01:33:51.880
I was like, you little fuck. You absolute little

01:33:51.880 --> 01:33:54.899
shit. I'm going to make your life a fucking hell

01:33:54.899 --> 01:33:58.979
for this. And you did. I did. But like for a

01:33:58.979 --> 01:34:01.079
brief moment, I was really annoyed. I was like,

01:34:01.100 --> 01:34:03.060
they said they wouldn't do this. Yeah. And it

01:34:03.060 --> 01:34:08.470
really threw me off. And then I remembered. fuck's

01:34:08.470 --> 01:34:12.569
sake i was sneaky i was very specific well don't

01:34:12.569 --> 01:34:14.270
you were really clear that yeah i think that

01:34:14.270 --> 01:34:16.109
was the the bit and i kind of snapped myself

01:34:16.109 --> 01:34:18.789
out of it really quickly like i was like fine

01:34:18.789 --> 01:34:20.850
okay this is this is what we're dealing with

01:34:20.850 --> 01:34:22.729
because you had been really clear with me yeah

01:34:22.729 --> 01:34:25.289
and i hadn't asked any follow -up questions i

01:34:25.289 --> 01:34:30.569
was like no this is partly on me but fuck's sake

01:34:30.569 --> 01:34:33.949
next interrogation i'm memorizing the entire

01:34:33.949 --> 01:34:39.060
script of b movie Are you going to get faster

01:34:39.060 --> 01:34:43.920
every time they say the word B? No, I get faster

01:34:43.920 --> 01:34:49.960
every time you hit me. But like those videos

01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:53.819
of the Eurovision songs where the Moldovan one

01:34:53.819 --> 01:34:56.220
speeds up, gets twice as fast every time they

01:34:56.220 --> 01:35:03.920
say the word Moldova. Yeah. so yeah just on that

01:35:03.920 --> 01:35:06.600
as frustrating as it was it was also really impressive

01:35:06.600 --> 01:35:10.640
that you were able to keep going with that like

01:35:10.640 --> 01:35:13.439
i didn't obviously i didn't remember everything

01:35:13.439 --> 01:35:15.739
that you'd said but it seemed to there was a

01:35:15.739 --> 01:35:17.100
couple of points in it which really stuck in

01:35:17.100 --> 01:35:18.920
my head so like the goats and the horns a bit

01:35:18.920 --> 01:35:21.520
about oil and honey olive oil olive oil and honey

01:35:21.520 --> 01:35:25.399
kind of stuck out to me and they seemed to be

01:35:25.399 --> 01:35:28.590
coming around at about the right time If that

01:35:28.590 --> 01:35:31.210
makes sense? Yeah. It seemed like you were going

01:35:31.210 --> 01:35:32.569
through the whole thing and then starting again.

01:35:32.630 --> 01:35:36.130
So every few minutes I would hear olive oil and

01:35:36.130 --> 01:35:40.029
honey or goats in the horns kind of stuff. I

01:35:40.029 --> 01:35:45.149
was like, Jesus Christ. Really committed to the

01:35:45.149 --> 01:35:49.270
bit, which was intensely annoying, but also really

01:35:49.270 --> 01:35:52.449
impressive. And I did also interact with you.

01:35:52.510 --> 01:35:55.260
I think I would have felt like it was... harsh

01:35:55.260 --> 01:35:57.359
on you and detrimental to the scene if i had

01:35:57.359 --> 01:35:59.640
just done my monologue and nothing else once

01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:01.659
we got up to the interrogation yeah so i would

01:36:01.659 --> 01:36:03.300
break from it to talk to you and there were points

01:36:03.300 --> 01:36:05.779
of it where just by luck the point i got to was

01:36:05.779 --> 01:36:07.680
really relevant to what you were asking me yeah

01:36:07.680 --> 01:36:09.819
there was a part where you were interrogating

01:36:09.819 --> 01:36:12.300
me about my sourdough skills and i got to the

01:36:12.300 --> 01:36:15.880
olive oil and honey it was um uh land with wheat

01:36:15.880 --> 01:36:18.300
and barley vines and fig trees pomegranates olive

01:36:18.300 --> 01:36:21.000
oil and honey and as i got to that you like hit

01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:22.579
me and i sort of stumbled over it and so you

01:36:22.579 --> 01:36:24.460
went where'd you get your sourdough skills whack

01:36:24.460 --> 01:36:28.239
and i went olive oil and honey yeah it's like

01:36:28.239 --> 01:36:31.729
it just fit um And there was definitely a couple

01:36:31.729 --> 01:36:33.949
of points where we'd been sort of arguing back

01:36:33.949 --> 01:36:38.970
and forth about your godly mission and me undermining

01:36:38.970 --> 01:36:40.229
it and all of that. And then I would pick up

01:36:40.229 --> 01:36:41.789
my monologue where I was and I would get to the

01:36:41.789 --> 01:36:43.890
wickedness will not release those who practice

01:36:43.890 --> 01:36:46.630
it bit. And I would make direct eye contact with

01:36:46.630 --> 01:36:49.069
you. There was a part where you sort of tried

01:36:49.069 --> 01:36:50.989
more of a pleading tactic and were like, think

01:36:50.989 --> 01:36:52.689
about the love we have for each other, Chastity.

01:36:52.890 --> 01:36:54.909
How could you betray me like this? Just be honest

01:36:54.909 --> 01:36:56.890
with me and I will understand. And I launched

01:36:56.890 --> 01:36:59.029
into the, I am not commanding you, but I want

01:36:59.029 --> 01:37:01.100
to test the sincerity. of your love bit and it

01:37:01.100 --> 01:37:09.640
was just really annoying yeah and then there

01:37:09.640 --> 01:37:14.000
was piss and then there was piss um but before

01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:15.479
we get on to that one of the really cool things

01:37:15.479 --> 01:37:18.279
was after this after we'd finished obviously

01:37:18.279 --> 01:37:21.439
some people came up to us and were talking to

01:37:21.439 --> 01:37:24.760
us about it um but somebody come up to us and

01:37:24.760 --> 01:37:27.340
they are one of those people that i describe

01:37:27.340 --> 01:37:31.210
as proper people yeah So you're trying to encourage

01:37:31.210 --> 01:37:35.729
me to embrace the fact that we host an award

01:37:35.729 --> 01:37:38.550
-winning podcast and people recognise us and

01:37:38.550 --> 01:37:41.489
they know who we are and stuff like that. And

01:37:41.489 --> 01:37:43.170
I go, yeah, but there are proper people here.

01:37:44.310 --> 01:37:48.569
I'm not proper people. But one of them is someone

01:37:48.569 --> 01:37:51.670
who I know does some quite intense things and

01:37:51.670 --> 01:37:55.130
they were watching the scene and they were saying

01:37:55.130 --> 01:37:57.310
afterwards, they were watching the scene and

01:37:57.310 --> 01:37:59.300
it was really good. And then I saw you pick up

01:37:59.300 --> 01:38:00.579
the bottle of water and I was like, oh my God,

01:38:00.579 --> 01:38:02.380
they're going to do waterboarding. Oh my God.

01:38:05.779 --> 01:38:08.439
They're really excited for it. Because that's

01:38:08.439 --> 01:38:09.819
something that they do and they do some really

01:38:09.819 --> 01:38:12.560
quite intense stuff as well. That's actually

01:38:12.560 --> 01:38:15.319
really cool. You are someone who is a proper

01:38:15.319 --> 01:38:19.100
person on the scene who does proper things. And

01:38:19.100 --> 01:38:21.270
you're saying something that I've done. You were

01:38:21.270 --> 01:38:24.229
excited to see it. Yeah. There was a lot of moments

01:38:24.229 --> 01:38:25.949
in the interrogation where the crowd reaction

01:38:25.949 --> 01:38:28.670
just made it so cool. Like, when you picked up

01:38:28.670 --> 01:38:31.609
the water, there was a big sort of, ooh, from

01:38:31.609 --> 01:38:33.310
around the crowd, because they were like, we

01:38:33.310 --> 01:38:35.529
know where this is going. Yeah, yeah. All of

01:38:35.529 --> 01:38:37.539
their stuff. which is coming up with the piss

01:38:37.539 --> 01:38:39.939
got some great crowd reactions and a lot of my

01:38:39.939 --> 01:38:42.779
defiant moments a lot of the moments where i

01:38:42.779 --> 01:38:44.819
would sort of refuse to respond to your questioning

01:38:44.819 --> 01:38:46.859
and do my monologue people seem to enjoy that

01:38:46.859 --> 01:38:50.340
um there was one point where i was doing my monologue

01:38:50.340 --> 01:38:51.760
and you were clearly getting very sick of it

01:38:51.760 --> 01:38:53.739
and you were like you are blaspheming you are

01:38:53.739 --> 01:38:56.180
praying to your pagan god and i was like heretic

01:38:56.180 --> 01:38:58.659
do you not recognize the bible and things like

01:38:58.659 --> 01:39:02.199
that and people like oh yeah yeah yeah spicy

01:39:02.199 --> 01:39:06.810
yeah um Talking of spicy, let's talk about piss.

01:39:07.029 --> 01:39:12.470
Yes. So I had such a grand plan for this and

01:39:12.470 --> 01:39:14.289
it didn't quite come off, but I had bought two

01:39:14.289 --> 01:39:18.069
identical water bottles. I had filled one with

01:39:18.069 --> 01:39:23.890
actual water and one with my first dehydrated

01:39:23.890 --> 01:39:26.810
pee of the day. So there was quite a lot of it

01:39:26.810 --> 01:39:29.130
because it was my first pee of the day, literally

01:39:29.130 --> 01:39:30.670
the first pee of the morning after I'd woken

01:39:30.670 --> 01:39:35.000
up. But it was quite dark. And it had a bit of

01:39:35.000 --> 01:39:38.279
a head on it. Yeah, it was vile. And I did that

01:39:38.279 --> 01:39:44.000
at 7am. And we started the scene just before

01:39:44.000 --> 01:39:50.960
11. And I reckon that was probably about 11 .45ish.

01:39:51.779 --> 01:39:54.920
So nearly five hours. Yeah, and a good chunk

01:39:54.920 --> 01:39:56.739
of that had been in a hot tent and then in the

01:39:56.739 --> 01:40:00.899
hot sun. Yeah, it was not pleasant. It was deeply

01:40:00.899 --> 01:40:05.000
unpleasant. But I made you drink it? Well, I

01:40:05.000 --> 01:40:07.819
put it into your mouth. I didn't make you drink

01:40:07.819 --> 01:40:10.399
it. You tried unsuccessfully to make Chastity

01:40:10.399 --> 01:40:14.000
drink the piss. Yeah. why don't you tell us what

01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:17.220
happened yeah um so the first uh amount of it

01:40:17.220 --> 01:40:20.060
that was squirted into my mouth i i just choked

01:40:20.060 --> 01:40:22.119
on it because it was awful i quite like a little

01:40:22.119 --> 01:40:25.899
bit of piss play but that was a bad piss um so

01:40:25.899 --> 01:40:28.699
i just sort of choked on it and retched and spluttered

01:40:28.699 --> 01:40:30.420
it all over myself and splashed a little bit

01:40:30.420 --> 01:40:33.260
on you unintentionally in the process and thought

01:40:33.260 --> 01:40:37.789
ah ah so then you slapped me around a bit dumped

01:40:37.789 --> 01:40:39.829
some over my head generally were not pleased

01:40:39.829 --> 01:40:42.489
that i had not swallowed the piss announced to

01:40:42.489 --> 01:40:45.069
the crowd that i was uh rejecting your generous

01:40:45.069 --> 01:40:48.689
gift of water yeah um and then forced the bottle

01:40:48.689 --> 01:40:52.260
back into my mouth and so that time i very deliberately

01:40:52.260 --> 01:40:54.539
did not fight you on it and just took it but

01:40:54.539 --> 01:40:56.859
didn't swallow got a mouthful of it and then

01:40:56.859 --> 01:40:59.779
just deliberately splattered it all out as widely

01:40:59.779 --> 01:41:02.260
as i could yeah got your face got your shirt

01:41:02.260 --> 01:41:05.140
and then you tried again and i tried to jet it

01:41:05.140 --> 01:41:07.100
and i missed your face with the jet but i got

01:41:07.100 --> 01:41:09.000
like all down like the lower half of your shirt

01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:11.260
and pants yeah so you were just basically covered

01:41:11.260 --> 01:41:14.159
in piss yes and so was i but it was like yeah

01:41:14.159 --> 01:41:17.659
now you're down to my level yes and the crowd

01:41:17.659 --> 01:41:21.439
enjoyed that i enjoyed it marginally Yeah, the

01:41:21.439 --> 01:41:24.840
crowd loved it and Chastity loved it. Yeah. But

01:41:24.840 --> 01:41:27.119
I think I did that a couple of times. I didn't

01:41:27.119 --> 01:41:28.920
use up the whole bottle in one go. No, you came

01:41:28.920 --> 01:41:30.399
back to it a few times. I came back to it a couple

01:41:30.399 --> 01:41:33.260
of times, including just dumping whatever was

01:41:33.260 --> 01:41:37.960
left in the bottle over your head. Yeah. And

01:41:37.960 --> 01:41:40.020
same with the waterboarding. That came up two

01:41:40.020 --> 01:41:42.640
or three times. You would waterboard me a bit,

01:41:42.760 --> 01:41:45.920
dump piss all over me, beat me, like kind of

01:41:45.920 --> 01:41:48.060
on a cycle for a while. Yeah, yeah. Until you

01:41:48.060 --> 01:41:52.279
ran out of piss and water. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah,

01:41:52.279 --> 01:41:56.760
one of my ideas was if there was going to be

01:41:56.760 --> 01:41:59.380
relative periods of calm, was I wanted water

01:41:59.380 --> 01:42:02.859
bottles that were completely opaque. Yeah. So

01:42:02.859 --> 01:42:06.060
that I could, what I planned to do was drink

01:42:06.060 --> 01:42:08.899
from one and then put it back behind the bag

01:42:08.899 --> 01:42:11.239
with all of our stuff and then pick the other

01:42:11.239 --> 01:42:13.420
one up and offer it to you. Yeah. As a drink.

01:42:13.899 --> 01:42:15.619
And then when you drank it, you would realise

01:42:15.619 --> 01:42:19.329
that it was, it was pee. Yeah, I've got to be

01:42:19.329 --> 01:42:21.010
honest, even if you'd had opaque water bottles,

01:42:21.109 --> 01:42:22.449
I don't think I would have trusted you for a

01:42:22.449 --> 01:42:24.630
second. Right. Because I know how you think.

01:42:24.829 --> 01:42:26.590
It would have also been hilarious if you'd done

01:42:26.590 --> 01:42:28.050
that and got the bottles mixed up and had a big

01:42:28.050 --> 01:42:30.890
swig of your own piss. Yeah, yeah. I was very

01:42:30.890 --> 01:42:35.289
conscious of which one was which. And what broke

01:42:35.289 --> 01:42:37.189
it for me was a couple of bits where I felt like

01:42:37.189 --> 01:42:40.229
I was starting to lose the thread. Not in control,

01:42:40.430 --> 01:42:42.729
but starting to lose the thread a little bit.

01:42:42.810 --> 01:42:44.369
And I was worried that I am going to pick up

01:42:44.369 --> 01:42:46.350
the wrong one here. So I put the water bottle.

01:42:46.880 --> 01:42:49.420
above your head yeah so i knew where it was yeah

01:42:49.420 --> 01:42:51.520
so you didn't end up drinking piss by mistake

01:42:51.520 --> 01:42:53.380
so i didn't end up accidentally drinking piss

01:42:53.380 --> 01:42:57.479
yeah um but i think part of the problem was that

01:42:57.479 --> 01:42:59.560
they weren't completely opaque you could kind

01:42:59.560 --> 01:43:01.319
of see through them, so you could see the colour

01:43:01.319 --> 01:43:04.680
of them. And afterwards, one of our pals suggested,

01:43:04.960 --> 01:43:06.819
you could have put Lucozade in the other one.

01:43:07.000 --> 01:43:08.619
And then it would have been a more close colour,

01:43:08.720 --> 01:43:10.659
yeah. It would have been a closer match. I was

01:43:10.659 --> 01:43:11.819
like, yeah, that would have been a good idea

01:43:11.819 --> 01:43:13.880
if I wasn't having an existential crisis while

01:43:13.880 --> 01:43:16.260
I was preparing for this. That would have been

01:43:16.260 --> 01:43:19.399
a good idea. Yeah. But it was still great. It

01:43:19.399 --> 01:43:22.199
was still deeply unpleasant. Yeah. I made sure

01:43:22.199 --> 01:43:23.720
it was unpleasant for both of us, but it was

01:43:23.720 --> 01:43:27.449
still unpleasant for me too. Yes. Yeah. And all

01:43:27.449 --> 01:43:30.350
while this is going on, the crowd are being brilliant.

01:43:30.609 --> 01:43:33.430
Yeah, they were brilliant throughout. Lots of

01:43:33.430 --> 01:43:36.390
oohs and ahhs, lots of, like, in the quieter

01:43:36.390 --> 01:43:38.090
moments where I wasn't saying anything or we

01:43:38.090 --> 01:43:40.930
weren't saying anything or whatever, they were

01:43:40.930 --> 01:43:43.970
booing and jeering and stuff like that or throwing

01:43:43.970 --> 01:43:47.130
out more accusations or words of encouragement

01:43:47.130 --> 01:43:51.430
as well. Kay, also from Insert Here Kink, was

01:43:51.430 --> 01:43:55.119
just absolutely brilliant. all the way through

01:43:55.119 --> 01:43:58.560
absolutely out for my blood yeah terrifying just

01:43:58.560 --> 01:44:03.100
constantly all i could hear was k going drown

01:44:03.100 --> 01:44:06.800
her kill her torture her burn the witch it's

01:44:06.800 --> 01:44:09.800
like all right yeah yeah and they're so nice

01:44:09.800 --> 01:44:14.659
yeah they're such a lovely person um but yeah

01:44:14.659 --> 01:44:16.920
they were absolutely out for your out for your

01:44:16.920 --> 01:44:19.119
blood and they came up with a brilliant brilliant

01:44:19.730 --> 01:44:22.329
accusation as well about your tattoo oh my god

01:44:22.329 --> 01:44:24.409
i'd almost forgotten that yeah so at one point

01:44:24.409 --> 01:44:26.149
possibly while you were having one of your moments

01:44:26.149 --> 01:44:27.550
where you slightly lost the thread and run out

01:44:27.550 --> 01:44:29.789
of stuff to say to me for a second yeah k from

01:44:29.789 --> 01:44:33.310
the audience pipes up uh look look at the tattoo

01:44:33.310 --> 01:44:36.829
on her leg is that cthulhu yeah it is not i have

01:44:36.829 --> 01:44:38.789
got a tattoo of a bright orange octopus on my

01:44:38.789 --> 01:44:41.729
thigh um but mix obviously seized on this and

01:44:41.729 --> 01:44:44.310
started whacking it with something and shouting

01:44:44.310 --> 01:44:46.430
in my face if this was not your god you would

01:44:46.430 --> 01:44:48.409
not mind me hitting it it's like you're hitting

01:44:48.409 --> 01:44:51.970
me with a rubber paddle yes i would um but then

01:44:51.970 --> 01:44:54.289
you got in my face and said is this your god

01:44:54.289 --> 01:44:58.310
and i said no it is an octopus which cracked

01:44:58.310 --> 01:45:03.810
everyone up yes and there was lots of that all

01:45:03.810 --> 01:45:06.689
the way through so once again another shout out

01:45:06.689 --> 01:45:08.229
to the people who came with us and stuck with

01:45:08.229 --> 01:45:10.750
us and and and watched it because they really

01:45:10.750 --> 01:45:13.510
really made they made a massive difference yeah

01:45:13.510 --> 01:45:17.069
to it and despite all of my earlier protestations

01:45:17.069 --> 01:45:20.090
actually made it it would have been an amazing

01:45:20.090 --> 01:45:24.470
scene anyway but like just the cherry on the

01:45:24.470 --> 01:45:27.430
cake the icing on the cake yeah was having them

01:45:27.430 --> 01:45:29.449
i fully agree i think it was really good for

01:45:29.449 --> 01:45:32.829
both of our headspace it kept the sort of the

01:45:32.829 --> 01:45:35.369
tone of the scene moving along it kept us both

01:45:35.369 --> 01:45:37.149
with plenty of things to say it was really really

01:45:37.149 --> 01:45:40.149
good yeah yeah because i think if i am being

01:45:40.149 --> 01:45:42.250
a little bit self -critical i did feel like i

01:45:42.250 --> 01:45:45.199
didn't retain a lot of the questioning My perception

01:45:45.199 --> 01:45:47.699
is there was less questioning of you than I perhaps

01:45:47.699 --> 01:45:50.920
would have liked there to be. I can understand

01:45:50.920 --> 01:45:52.779
that, but I also don't think it was necessary.

01:45:52.960 --> 01:45:56.600
We both knew, as our characters, what I needed

01:45:56.600 --> 01:45:58.859
to do to make the torture stop. Chastity has

01:45:58.859 --> 01:46:01.340
been engaged to Jeff and I for some time and

01:46:01.340 --> 01:46:02.920
knows what his job is and knows that he will

01:46:02.920 --> 01:46:05.739
torture witches until they confess. You had already

01:46:05.739 --> 01:46:08.199
made it very clear to me from the start, if you

01:46:08.199 --> 01:46:09.640
don't confess, I'm going to torture you until

01:46:09.640 --> 01:46:12.399
you do. yeah so you didn't need to really be

01:46:12.399 --> 01:46:14.060
asking again and again and i don't think that

01:46:14.060 --> 01:46:16.739
would have made me more likely to answer yeah

01:46:16.739 --> 01:46:18.779
i think just doing what you were doing and throwing

01:46:18.779 --> 01:46:21.119
the accusations at me and trying to sort of verbally

01:46:21.119 --> 01:46:23.619
and physically tear me down was the best way

01:46:23.619 --> 01:46:27.340
to go about it yeah next you turned me around

01:46:27.340 --> 01:46:29.680
put my hands behind my back and slapped me in

01:46:29.680 --> 01:46:32.600
the stomach mix as we've talked about from your

01:46:32.600 --> 01:46:35.899
from your research From my wholesome research.

01:46:36.819 --> 01:46:39.819
I was shocked at how badly that bruised. I was

01:46:39.819 --> 01:46:42.220
really impressed. I think it's gone now, but

01:46:42.220 --> 01:46:44.460
I had a black handprint on my tummy for a couple

01:46:44.460 --> 01:46:47.300
of days. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not going to lie,

01:46:47.359 --> 01:46:51.079
I really enjoyed doing that. Yeah. I enjoyed

01:46:51.079 --> 01:46:52.880
the whole thing. I enjoy hitting you with the

01:46:52.880 --> 01:46:56.699
various whips and stuff. But there was just something

01:46:56.699 --> 01:47:00.079
really quite visceral about just fully slapping

01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:01.859
you on the stomach. And the noise that it made,

01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:06.000
both... the the actual impact on your skin and

01:47:06.000 --> 01:47:08.220
the noise that it got out of you yeah which was

01:47:08.220 --> 01:47:12.020
just this kind of unholy scream i would like

01:47:12.020 --> 01:47:14.819
to do that again mix it was bad but i want to

01:47:14.819 --> 01:47:18.239
do it again yeah i thought you might that's probably

01:47:18.239 --> 01:47:20.539
a at events not in the house one though because

01:47:20.539 --> 01:47:23.789
it really does make me shriek but yeah i There's

01:47:23.789 --> 01:47:25.770
just something about it that kind of, it's a

01:47:25.770 --> 01:47:28.590
really intimate way of hurting you. It's really

01:47:28.590 --> 01:47:30.770
personal violence. I like a lot of punching and

01:47:30.770 --> 01:47:32.310
slapping and kicking for that reason because

01:47:32.310 --> 01:47:34.170
it feels a lot more personal than using a toy.

01:47:34.369 --> 01:47:36.989
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Much closer. It has to be much

01:47:36.989 --> 01:47:39.329
closer to you. Physical contact, all of that

01:47:39.329 --> 01:47:41.149
kind of stuff. So yeah, that really worked for

01:47:41.149 --> 01:47:46.489
me. Yeah. Yes. I am having a good time doing

01:47:46.489 --> 01:47:49.930
this. and a lot of face slapping as well earlier

01:47:49.930 --> 01:47:51.210
in the scene as well there was a lot of face

01:47:51.210 --> 01:47:52.630
slapping all the way through but especially once

01:47:52.630 --> 01:47:55.649
you'd got me turned around um and you were whacking

01:47:55.649 --> 01:47:57.949
the front of my thighs with a paddle the horrible

01:47:57.949 --> 01:47:59.729
rubber tire paddle that we call the evil one

01:47:59.729 --> 01:48:02.409
yeah um you were slapping me in the stomach and

01:48:02.409 --> 01:48:04.810
you did a lot of face slapping then with me stood

01:48:04.810 --> 01:48:07.050
up and you sort of holding my jaw right in my

01:48:07.050 --> 01:48:08.869
face and then slapping me over and over and over

01:48:08.869 --> 01:48:10.630
again like holding me by the hair and slapping

01:48:10.630 --> 01:48:13.390
me yeah again that really personal violence like

01:48:13.390 --> 01:48:16.569
you could really feel how betrayed jeff and i

01:48:16.569 --> 01:48:18.609
was feeling by chastity and how much he wanted

01:48:18.609 --> 01:48:21.270
to hurt her personally not just to get a confession

01:48:21.270 --> 01:48:23.430
but because he was hurting as well it was like

01:48:23.430 --> 01:48:29.529
yeah character stuff it's good it's good uh yes

01:48:29.529 --> 01:48:34.449
yes it was and like a lot as well like when we

01:48:34.449 --> 01:48:37.189
do when we do face slapping it's kind of usually

01:48:37.189 --> 01:48:39.710
a few yeah and i usually kind of string a few

01:48:39.710 --> 01:48:42.630
together but it was quite a long sequence of

01:48:42.630 --> 01:48:45.100
just constantly slapping you on the cheek yeah

01:48:45.100 --> 01:48:47.319
just holding my head still so i couldn't go anywhere

01:48:47.319 --> 01:48:51.020
and just battering my face for ages yeah um like

01:48:51.020 --> 01:48:53.439
my entire face was bright red on both sides by

01:48:53.439 --> 01:48:56.439
the time it was done yeah um and then i got sunburned

01:48:56.439 --> 01:48:57.699
so it was really hard to tell which was which

01:48:57.699 --> 01:48:59.100
but i think some of the redness from the slapping

01:48:59.100 --> 01:49:01.119
probably stayed as well yeah hard to be sure

01:49:01.119 --> 01:49:02.699
because i kept falling asleep in the sun that

01:49:02.699 --> 01:49:08.239
day yes yeah yeah um when was it that i because

01:49:08.239 --> 01:49:09.619
i slapped you on your other because i usually

01:49:09.619 --> 01:49:13.010
slap you on your left cheek Yeah. With my right

01:49:13.010 --> 01:49:15.409
hand. But you did something and I slapped you

01:49:15.409 --> 01:49:19.229
across your other cheek as well. Yeah, I think

01:49:19.229 --> 01:49:21.729
it was when I accused you of being a sex pervert,

01:49:21.750 --> 01:49:26.069
Mix. Yes. During that part, I called Jeff and

01:49:26.069 --> 01:49:29.310
I are out for being a sexual sadist and getting

01:49:29.310 --> 01:49:32.890
off on torturing women. And you shouted something

01:49:32.890 --> 01:49:34.770
about, I don't torture women, I torture witches.

01:49:35.149 --> 01:49:37.550
Yeah. And slapped me really hard across the other

01:49:37.550 --> 01:49:40.350
side of the face. Yeah. And that got an ooh from

01:49:40.350 --> 01:49:43.289
the crowd as well. Yeah. And I was a bit curious

01:49:43.289 --> 01:49:46.250
about that. But maybe it was because it was less

01:49:46.250 --> 01:49:47.970
controlled than the other ones because I didn't

01:49:47.970 --> 01:49:50.069
have a hold of your face. Normally I would grab

01:49:50.069 --> 01:49:52.289
a hold of you to keep your head still. Yeah.

01:49:53.069 --> 01:49:55.670
But it was a more spontaneous one with my other

01:49:55.670 --> 01:49:58.989
hand as well. Yeah. Unexpected. Surprising. Yeah.

01:49:59.649 --> 01:50:02.529
So that was quite cool. Yeah. And then you just

01:50:02.529 --> 01:50:04.270
continued hitting me with the black and orange

01:50:04.270 --> 01:50:08.770
whip until I confessed. Yes. Basically. So you

01:50:08.770 --> 01:50:11.239
would... made your you made your revelations

01:50:11.239 --> 01:50:13.659
yes all the way through i can't remember the

01:50:13.659 --> 01:50:15.479
exact order that things happened but i revealed

01:50:15.479 --> 01:50:18.619
um that my mother was a witch i finally admitted

01:50:18.619 --> 01:50:20.979
that that was true but still said i wasn't yeah

01:50:20.979 --> 01:50:23.920
um i revealed you at one point demanded that

01:50:23.920 --> 01:50:26.880
i confess my sins and i was like my sins i will

01:50:26.880 --> 01:50:30.079
i will confess my sins i got tattoos in my youth

01:50:30.079 --> 01:50:32.479
i got piercings i drank to excess i disrespected

01:50:32.479 --> 01:50:34.819
my mother and father i am not proud of these

01:50:34.819 --> 01:50:37.359
things nor am i ashamed to say that i have sinned

01:50:37.359 --> 01:50:40.020
because i am human It was very dramatic, but

01:50:40.020 --> 01:50:41.800
did me no good. I just got beaten for being a

01:50:41.800 --> 01:50:43.800
sinner then. Yes. And you also asked the crowd

01:50:43.800 --> 01:50:45.760
if any of them would ever disrespect their parents.

01:50:45.859 --> 01:50:49.020
And everyone went, oh, no. Which I find unbelievable.

01:50:49.979 --> 01:50:52.079
And then later I admitted to not being a virgin.

01:50:52.319 --> 01:50:54.720
And again, got a big ooh from the crowd of that.

01:50:54.819 --> 01:50:57.220
Everyone was very judgmental about Chastity's

01:50:57.220 --> 01:51:00.140
sexual history. Yeah, yeah. As they should. As

01:51:00.140 --> 01:51:07.399
they should. So, yeah, as you say, the beatings

01:51:07.399 --> 01:51:11.890
continued. And then you confessed. Yeah. And

01:51:11.890 --> 01:51:14.869
we had agreed a very specific thing, hadn't we,

01:51:14.909 --> 01:51:17.329
of when you are ready to actually confess, you

01:51:17.329 --> 01:51:20.689
would say the words, I confess. Yeah. And then

01:51:20.689 --> 01:51:23.229
I would stop. Yes. And give you your moment.

01:51:24.569 --> 01:51:26.750
And you did. And my confession was extremely

01:51:26.750 --> 01:51:30.729
dramatic. It really was. It was so good as well.

01:51:32.550 --> 01:51:36.760
And you... there was some sumerian in it there

01:51:36.760 --> 01:51:39.460
was at the very end mix so i don't because it

01:51:39.460 --> 01:51:41.039
wasn't something i'd memorized i didn't script

01:51:41.039 --> 01:51:42.939
the confession i don't remember it exactly word

01:51:42.939 --> 01:51:45.640
for word um but i started off i essentially went

01:51:45.640 --> 01:51:47.600
through my whole monologue i'd been doing but

01:51:47.600 --> 01:51:49.600
in my own words explaining what i'd actually

01:51:49.600 --> 01:51:51.939
been saying all along so i said you follow a

01:51:51.939 --> 01:51:54.500
false god with a book of lies but i have signed

01:51:54.500 --> 01:51:58.060
my name in her book of truth um i i worship that

01:51:58.060 --> 01:52:00.939
which you call the devil i said something about

01:52:00.939 --> 01:52:03.600
your god demands sacrifices of animals and children

01:52:03.600 --> 01:52:07.170
mike god asks only sacrifice of the self uh then

01:52:07.170 --> 01:52:10.569
i went into saying your god destroys and creates

01:52:10.569 --> 01:52:13.630
on a whim uh but my god knows that creation and

01:52:13.630 --> 01:52:16.350
destruction are all one and the same i talked

01:52:16.350 --> 01:52:20.229
about how your god tells people to abstain from

01:52:20.229 --> 01:52:22.149
pleasures of the flesh and mine encourages you

01:52:22.149 --> 01:52:25.109
to embrace them i specifically i remember saying

01:52:25.109 --> 01:52:27.289
your god is the one who threw you out of eden

01:52:27.289 --> 01:52:29.649
my god is the sacred serpent who set us free

01:52:29.649 --> 01:52:33.939
yeah um and my god knows that too ascend and

01:52:33.939 --> 01:52:36.899
discover sacred and hidden knowledge you must

01:52:36.899 --> 01:52:41.460
first fall very dramatic stuff yeah um and and

01:52:41.460 --> 01:52:44.199
finished off by saying you know i know that i

01:52:44.199 --> 01:52:46.100
cannot free you from the wickedness you practice

01:52:46.100 --> 01:52:48.640
but i hope by shaking your faith in our love

01:52:48.640 --> 01:52:51.079
i can plant a seed that allows you freedom from

01:52:51.079 --> 01:52:53.220
your god you could be so much more than this

01:52:53.220 --> 01:52:57.020
sniveling servant to an infant god yes such a

01:52:57.630 --> 01:53:01.310
dramatic thing to say and then i yelled out which

01:53:01.310 --> 01:53:07.569
means lady of largest heart with your strength

01:53:07.569 --> 01:53:10.069
my lady teeth could cut flint inanna this is

01:53:10.069 --> 01:53:12.670
yours yeah and then you spat in my face i did

01:53:12.670 --> 01:53:20.529
again again good grief it is chastity's signature

01:53:20.529 --> 01:53:23.899
move yeah Yeah, yeah. I've written some smut

01:53:23.899 --> 01:53:26.199
about Jeff and I are in chastity as well. And

01:53:26.199 --> 01:53:28.119
she spits in his face in that and all. Yes, she

01:53:28.119 --> 01:53:33.180
does. And then that was the end of that part

01:53:33.180 --> 01:53:39.399
of the scene. Yes. So about an hour and 20 minutes,

01:53:39.520 --> 01:53:41.600
we think. Yeah, from the beginning to the confession

01:53:41.600 --> 01:53:43.520
was about an hour and 20. So we reckon probably

01:53:43.520 --> 01:53:45.979
just over an hour of the actual torture. But

01:53:45.979 --> 01:53:48.100
to be fair, there was torture throughout because

01:53:48.100 --> 01:53:50.159
you were beating me from the first minute. Yes.

01:53:50.829 --> 01:53:53.449
But the proper torture. The proper torture, yes.

01:53:54.210 --> 01:53:58.609
And then we went off script a little bit. Yes.

01:53:58.890 --> 01:54:01.289
Because the plan was, as soon as you confessed,

01:54:01.510 --> 01:54:03.909
take you back down to the hub and brand you.

01:54:06.069 --> 01:54:08.550
But I asked the crowd to depart so that we could

01:54:08.550 --> 01:54:12.010
have a moment before we went back down. I think

01:54:12.010 --> 01:54:14.590
partly because I think we both expected you to

01:54:14.590 --> 01:54:17.500
last. little bit longer yeah and i had immediately

01:54:17.500 --> 01:54:19.439
after the confession apologized to everyone for

01:54:19.439 --> 01:54:22.439
it being so short yeah um i was really self -conscious

01:54:22.439 --> 01:54:24.020
about the fact that it had been short and i felt

01:54:24.020 --> 01:54:25.399
like i'd been a bit of a wuss and in hindsight

01:54:25.399 --> 01:54:28.239
no i don't because your approach to it was so

01:54:28.239 --> 01:54:30.060
different from the first interrogation it makes

01:54:30.060 --> 01:54:31.939
sense that i would find it a lot more intense

01:54:31.939 --> 01:54:34.399
but at the time i was like we've barely been

01:54:34.399 --> 01:54:36.859
up here five minutes it felt a lot shorter in

01:54:36.859 --> 01:54:40.140
my head as well yeah um so yeah i I was quite

01:54:40.140 --> 01:54:41.640
apologetic because I think you wanted to give

01:54:41.640 --> 01:54:43.819
me some reassurance. Yeah, yeah, I think so.

01:54:44.100 --> 01:54:46.359
I don't think I was thinking, oh, crikey, that

01:54:46.359 --> 01:54:48.960
was really short. They confessed really quickly.

01:54:49.380 --> 01:54:53.819
But because time wasn't real, I had no idea how

01:54:53.819 --> 01:54:56.859
time had passed. So that part of it felt really,

01:54:56.899 --> 01:55:01.800
really quick because it just... Yeah. So it was

01:55:01.800 --> 01:55:03.739
important. I felt like it was important to reassure

01:55:03.739 --> 01:55:06.609
you and check in. you know do all of that kind

01:55:06.609 --> 01:55:09.310
of stuff but we had had a couple of um small

01:55:09.310 --> 01:55:12.789
safety incidents as well yeah um you had got

01:55:12.789 --> 01:55:15.350
a cramp at one point so i needed to let you stand

01:55:15.350 --> 01:55:18.149
up to deal with that which we did entirely in

01:55:18.149 --> 01:55:21.010
character as well yeah i said jeff and i i have

01:55:21.010 --> 01:55:23.630
a cramp i didn't feel like it warranted using

01:55:23.630 --> 01:55:25.390
your real name to get your attention i thought

01:55:25.390 --> 01:55:27.289
like just alerting you to an issue would be enough

01:55:27.289 --> 01:55:29.569
yeah because i if you'd continued hitting me

01:55:29.569 --> 01:55:31.069
then nothing dangerous was going to happen it

01:55:31.069 --> 01:55:33.329
was just going to suck um so i decided to put

01:55:33.329 --> 01:55:34.789
the ball in your court for that and then you

01:55:34.789 --> 01:55:36.930
made a big announcement to the crowd like we

01:55:36.930 --> 01:55:40.750
will show the witch some mercy um we are christians

01:55:40.750 --> 01:55:42.310
after all and you let me stand up and stretch

01:55:42.310 --> 01:55:43.810
for a few seconds before you kept hitting me

01:55:43.810 --> 01:55:46.670
which was very very well done in character and

01:55:46.670 --> 01:55:51.649
then i um miss aimed slightly yes You were a

01:55:51.649 --> 01:55:56.449
moving target. I was very wriggly. But I misshamed

01:55:56.449 --> 01:55:58.949
slightly and I caught the side of your boob,

01:55:58.949 --> 01:56:02.189
which is incredibly challenging for you. Yeah.

01:56:02.689 --> 01:56:05.130
And I was worried that I had hit your nipple.

01:56:05.270 --> 01:56:07.470
Yeah. Which would have been a stop to the scene.

01:56:07.869 --> 01:56:09.609
More than likely, yeah. That's a hard limit.

01:56:09.649 --> 01:56:11.850
So it would have been very hard for me to continue

01:56:11.850 --> 01:56:14.369
after that if you had. Yeah. So that was an actual

01:56:14.369 --> 01:56:17.949
stop. Yeah. We actually paused and we kind of...

01:56:18.239 --> 01:56:19.920
well i don't know what your perception of this

01:56:19.920 --> 01:56:23.100
is but i spoke to you as s yeah and i i spoke

01:56:23.100 --> 01:56:25.079
to you as carizal then as well because you directly

01:56:25.079 --> 01:56:28.340
asked if i was okay to continue obviously chastity

01:56:28.340 --> 01:56:31.739
would have been like no release me yeah stop

01:56:31.739 --> 01:56:34.720
please so as as uh carizal i wanted to make it

01:56:34.720 --> 01:56:37.159
clear i wanted to continue because again that

01:56:37.159 --> 01:56:39.560
wouldn't have felt like a win to me yeah if we'd

01:56:39.560 --> 01:56:41.399
stopped because i was upset about you hitting

01:56:41.399 --> 01:56:44.470
me in the boob yeah that's not a win that's that's

01:56:44.470 --> 01:56:46.590
the scene hasn't been completed so i really want

01:56:46.590 --> 01:56:48.229
it to continue even though i was pretty close

01:56:48.229 --> 01:56:50.029
to breaking point by then it was like no i'm

01:56:50.029 --> 01:56:53.729
i'm going ahead with this yeah yeah yeah so we

01:56:53.729 --> 01:56:55.850
had a little bit of check -in i obviously i released

01:56:55.850 --> 01:56:58.670
you from your cuffs and we had a little bit of

01:56:58.670 --> 01:57:00.430
a cuddle and then we went back down to the hub

01:57:00.430 --> 01:57:03.109
and we burned the witch we burned the witch we

01:57:03.109 --> 01:57:06.569
we branded uh witch into your thigh yeah with

01:57:06.569 --> 01:57:13.750
a I think we had a couple of people. Yeah, I

01:57:13.750 --> 01:57:15.250
think a lot of the crowd had just fully dispersed

01:57:15.250 --> 01:57:18.390
by then, but a few people re -emerged to watch

01:57:18.390 --> 01:57:20.810
that, and then more people came to visit us afterwards

01:57:20.810 --> 01:57:23.489
to check in and say how much they'd enjoyed watching

01:57:23.489 --> 01:57:27.270
it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you didn't feel it?

01:57:27.890 --> 01:57:30.270
No, I was absolutely flying by that point from

01:57:30.270 --> 01:57:32.390
all the endorphins. You know, compared to everything

01:57:32.390 --> 01:57:35.329
else you'd been doing to me, it was a much lower

01:57:35.329 --> 01:57:37.029
level of pain anyway, and then because of all

01:57:37.029 --> 01:57:39.590
of the chemicals in my brain from being beaten

01:57:39.590 --> 01:57:42.710
for an hour. plus um yeah i literally didn't

01:57:42.710 --> 01:57:44.869
feel it at all it was like the lightest of pressure

01:57:44.869 --> 01:57:48.829
yeah at most um and it was just really nice it

01:57:48.829 --> 01:57:51.109
was really cool because for chastity obviously

01:57:51.109 --> 01:57:53.010
that was like a humiliation and a punishment

01:57:53.010 --> 01:57:54.909
and stuff but we'd already slipped out a character

01:57:54.909 --> 01:57:57.510
and for me it was like this is the reward that

01:57:57.510 --> 01:57:59.930
i have for completing this scene we'd agreed

01:57:59.930 --> 01:58:01.670
that i was going to get the brand no matter what

01:58:01.670 --> 01:58:03.609
there was sort of three possible endings to the

01:58:03.609 --> 01:58:06.119
scene So I wouldn't have got the brand no matter

01:58:06.119 --> 01:58:07.539
what, but there were three possible endings to

01:58:07.539 --> 01:58:08.720
the scene, and two of them would have resulted

01:58:08.720 --> 01:58:10.779
in me getting branded. One was obviously that

01:58:10.779 --> 01:58:13.539
I confessed to being a witch, whether I actually

01:58:13.539 --> 01:58:15.699
was or not. If I'd been playing it as innocent,

01:58:15.779 --> 01:58:17.300
I would have given a sort of broken confession

01:58:17.300 --> 01:58:19.239
of, I'll say anything you want, I just want this

01:58:19.239 --> 01:58:22.460
to be done. So if I confessed, I got burned as

01:58:22.460 --> 01:58:24.880
a witch. There was a version where you just had

01:58:24.880 --> 01:58:27.159
had enough of it and wanted to wrap things up.

01:58:27.220 --> 01:58:29.399
And it said, I don't want to listen to your lies

01:58:29.399 --> 01:58:31.500
anymore. I am declaring you guilty. And then

01:58:31.500 --> 01:58:33.939
I got burned as a witch. And you also had the

01:58:33.939 --> 01:58:36.079
option in reserve of if you wanted a hard stop

01:58:36.079 --> 01:58:37.460
and you didn't want to proceed with the branding

01:58:37.460 --> 01:58:40.609
where you could in character say. I'm sorry,

01:58:40.689 --> 01:58:42.729
Chastity, I believe you, I falsely accused you,

01:58:42.750 --> 01:58:44.989
I'm not myself, and released me and kind of called

01:58:44.989 --> 01:58:46.869
it there, which was the least likely option,

01:58:46.970 --> 01:58:49.609
but it was there in reserve. So I knew that more

01:58:49.609 --> 01:58:51.189
than likely I was getting branded no matter what,

01:58:51.270 --> 01:58:53.130
but it just felt like a really nice treat at

01:58:53.130 --> 01:58:54.369
the end of the scene. It's like, this is the

01:58:54.369 --> 01:58:57.869
souvenir now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think

01:58:57.869 --> 01:59:00.510
because we'd had that break in between, we didn't

01:59:00.510 --> 01:59:04.850
kind of go back into characters to do the branding.

01:59:05.069 --> 01:59:08.720
Yeah. It felt like this was the payoff. for the

01:59:08.720 --> 01:59:10.960
for the really cool thing that we did yeah i

01:59:10.960 --> 01:59:12.720
agree and then it was straight into aftercare

01:59:12.720 --> 01:59:16.840
mode yeah which was basically you lying on a

01:59:16.840 --> 01:59:21.159
blanket with bevo for five hours yeah for anyone

01:59:21.159 --> 01:59:23.619
unfamiliar bevo is my three foot tall cow stuffy

01:59:23.619 --> 01:59:25.840
who likes to come camping with us and on many

01:59:25.840 --> 01:59:27.479
trips actually he likes to be really involved

01:59:27.479 --> 01:59:30.239
in things but he loves camping yeah um he he

01:59:31.140 --> 01:59:32.960
frequently talks about the horrors he has seen

01:59:32.960 --> 01:59:34.560
while camping which compared to nothing else

01:59:34.560 --> 01:59:36.720
he has seen in his life yeah but he loves it

01:59:36.720 --> 01:59:39.960
he does he does uh so he is my aftercare buddy

01:59:39.960 --> 01:59:42.500
for camping and for intense scenes in general

01:59:42.500 --> 01:59:45.119
bevo is generally the aftercare assistant if

01:59:45.119 --> 01:59:46.619
you've gone to fetch me something you know that

01:59:46.619 --> 01:59:48.619
a cuddle with bevo will keep me going until you

01:59:48.619 --> 01:59:51.199
get back yeah um and i had quite a lot of drop

01:59:51.199 --> 01:59:54.279
but not it wasn't an unexpected drop or like

01:59:54.279 --> 01:59:56.359
a negative feeling drop it was just inevitably

01:59:56.359 --> 01:59:58.960
if you do something that intense you're going

01:59:58.960 --> 02:00:00.939
to kind of crash afterwards. Like I said, I was

02:00:00.939 --> 02:00:03.000
flying high on endorphins at the end of it and

02:00:03.000 --> 02:00:05.920
I'd had all of these dramatic moments and I'd

02:00:05.920 --> 02:00:07.760
been another person and I'd been in loads of

02:00:07.760 --> 02:00:09.420
pain and all of this and then suddenly I was

02:00:09.420 --> 02:00:12.060
cariesal again and I was sore and achy and tired

02:00:12.060 --> 02:00:14.000
and all I wanted to do was lie on the ground.

02:00:14.319 --> 02:00:16.640
I had a little bit of a cry the few times I had

02:00:16.640 --> 02:00:18.239
to move. Like if I went to the toilet and when

02:00:18.239 --> 02:00:20.439
I went for a shower, it was just so much and

02:00:20.439 --> 02:00:22.579
I just sort of cried. But it didn't ever feel

02:00:22.579 --> 02:00:26.649
like... like a bad reaction or like oh i wish

02:00:26.649 --> 02:00:28.350
this wasn't happening it wasn't worth it it was

02:00:28.350 --> 02:00:30.710
like yeah if you do something that intense you're

02:00:30.710 --> 02:00:32.989
gonna feel it afterwards yeah and luckily you

02:00:32.989 --> 02:00:34.890
didn't get much in the way of drop you were tired

02:00:34.890 --> 02:00:36.670
you were a bit achy but you were in a position

02:00:36.670 --> 02:00:38.369
where you were able to take care of me and i

02:00:38.369 --> 02:00:40.229
think probably taking care of me helped prevent

02:00:40.229 --> 02:00:43.350
you dropping as well yeah yeah i think so i think

02:00:43.350 --> 02:00:44.449
we've talked about that before haven't we it

02:00:44.449 --> 02:00:46.789
seems like we never both get significant drop

02:00:46.789 --> 02:00:49.170
at the same time yeah i think there's been a

02:00:49.170 --> 02:00:51.430
few times when we've both felt a little bit of

02:00:51.430 --> 02:00:54.680
of drop following a scene but like when when

02:00:54.680 --> 02:00:59.640
you have a really big drop i seem to be okay

02:00:59.640 --> 02:01:02.859
yeah and then vice versa and it's almost like

02:01:02.859 --> 02:01:06.439
that like you say that kind of okay so now i

02:01:06.439 --> 02:01:10.140
need to take care of cariesel so that so i'm

02:01:10.140 --> 02:01:12.539
okay because that's my job i think there's an

02:01:12.539 --> 02:01:14.800
element of that if one of us drops really hard

02:01:14.800 --> 02:01:17.279
first the other one is doing so much aftercare

02:01:17.279 --> 02:01:19.659
that sort of fixes them as well but i think there's

02:01:19.659 --> 02:01:21.260
an element as well where we drop from different

02:01:21.260 --> 02:01:23.300
things i drop hardest from physically intense

02:01:23.300 --> 02:01:25.520
play and you drop hardest from psychologically

02:01:25.520 --> 02:01:28.100
intense play yeah so it's quite rare that a scene

02:01:28.100 --> 02:01:29.859
is going to be equally intense for both of those

02:01:29.859 --> 02:01:32.600
yeah um and it's very rare that i would drop

02:01:32.600 --> 02:01:35.319
from psychological play at all or if i do it's

02:01:35.319 --> 02:01:37.359
either quite mild or it's a really delayed reaction

02:01:37.359 --> 02:01:39.779
where for you that'll hit straight after so i

02:01:39.779 --> 02:01:41.300
can take care of you in that moment because my

02:01:41.300 --> 02:01:43.220
drop either isn't going to be there or it hasn't

02:01:43.340 --> 02:01:46.340
hit yet yeah um where physical stuff generally

02:01:46.340 --> 02:01:48.380
apart from a little bit of sadist's elbow you're

02:01:48.380 --> 02:01:50.899
fine yeah so that's where you can really take

02:01:50.899 --> 02:01:53.199
care of me because i i got really cold like this

02:01:53.199 --> 02:01:56.260
was hot sunny day i was lying in full sun i got

02:01:56.260 --> 02:01:58.939
sunburned um but i was freezing cold and i ended

02:01:58.939 --> 02:02:01.119
up putting on a big fuzzy tracksuit thing because

02:02:01.119 --> 02:02:05.109
i was so cold yeah um And I couldn't really eat

02:02:05.109 --> 02:02:07.529
much that day. We'd planned specific like aftercare

02:02:07.529 --> 02:02:09.409
food. We'd got some really nice camping meals,

02:02:09.529 --> 02:02:11.229
including a sticky toffee pudding in a pouch.

02:02:11.409 --> 02:02:13.050
And I ended up eating that the next day because

02:02:13.050 --> 02:02:15.470
I just didn't have an appetite. Again, I think

02:02:15.470 --> 02:02:16.930
because of all the adrenaline and stuff, I'd

02:02:16.930 --> 02:02:19.789
just gone a bit like shaky and sick. But I had

02:02:19.789 --> 02:02:22.050
a really nice day despite feeling, you know,

02:02:22.069 --> 02:02:24.649
a little ropey. People kept coming over to chat

02:02:24.649 --> 02:02:26.109
to us and tell us how good the scene was. And

02:02:26.109 --> 02:02:27.949
that was actually really good for me because

02:02:27.949 --> 02:02:30.489
I had that thing of getting in my head and thinking

02:02:30.489 --> 02:02:32.829
I should have held out longer. I was a wuss.

02:02:32.909 --> 02:02:34.529
about it anyone else would have lasted longer

02:02:34.529 --> 02:02:36.430
than me like ridiculous stuff because it was

02:02:36.430 --> 02:02:38.270
a really intense scene and i lasted an hour and

02:02:38.270 --> 02:02:40.569
20 minutes yeah um because i'd had in my head

02:02:40.569 --> 02:02:42.609
i'd probably last at least three hours i was

02:02:42.609 --> 02:02:44.649
beating myself up about it and then people kept

02:02:44.649 --> 02:02:46.449
coming over and being like i do not know how

02:02:46.449 --> 02:02:48.350
you handled that i don't know how you took it

02:02:48.350 --> 02:02:50.489
i couldn't have taken that and it was like okay

02:02:50.489 --> 02:02:52.510
actually maybe i was a bit of a badass it's fine

02:02:52.510 --> 02:02:56.229
yeah yeah yeah you were you were absolutely completely

02:02:56.229 --> 02:03:00.079
badass it was unbelievable i couldn't believe

02:03:00.079 --> 02:03:02.439
that you took what you took yeah and just kept

02:03:02.439 --> 02:03:05.859
going with it it was because i was the one hitting

02:03:05.859 --> 02:03:08.319
you i knew how hard i was hitting you yeah like

02:03:08.319 --> 02:03:12.159
not far off full force with pretty much everything

02:03:12.159 --> 02:03:14.739
yeah that i was hitting you with it's definitely

02:03:14.739 --> 02:03:16.380
the most physically intense scene we've ever

02:03:16.380 --> 02:03:19.659
done it's the most it's the most physically intense

02:03:19.659 --> 02:03:22.680
in the moment even setting aside sort of the

02:03:23.239 --> 02:03:25.159
The psychological elements of it and how deep

02:03:25.159 --> 02:03:26.720
into my character I got, which heightened the

02:03:26.720 --> 02:03:28.640
level of distress because Chastity was so upset

02:03:28.640 --> 02:03:31.039
about it all. Even if you just isolated the stuff

02:03:31.039 --> 02:03:32.960
you physically did to me in that scene, it's

02:03:32.960 --> 02:03:35.119
far more than I've ever taken in a scene before.

02:03:36.119 --> 02:03:38.319
The closest to it would be the unhinged whipping

02:03:38.319 --> 02:03:39.699
that we did last year where you were hitting

02:03:39.699 --> 02:03:42.279
me full force with one of those toys 65 times.

02:03:42.600 --> 02:03:44.420
But that scene probably didn't last more than

02:03:44.420 --> 02:03:46.520
five minutes. I didn't have to take it for that

02:03:46.520 --> 02:03:49.100
long. This one, it was maybe a little bit less

02:03:49.100 --> 02:03:50.659
relentless. You know, you weren't hitting me

02:03:50.659 --> 02:03:52.930
quite as fast as you were in that scene. but

02:03:52.930 --> 02:03:55.970
not far off the intensity and the speed for a

02:03:55.970 --> 02:03:59.350
much longer period of time. So I'm really proud

02:03:59.350 --> 02:04:01.449
of that. And it's also the most physical pain

02:04:01.449 --> 02:04:04.229
I've been in after a scene as well, where everything,

02:04:04.329 --> 02:04:06.609
I felt like I'd been hit by a car. I still do.

02:04:07.529 --> 02:04:10.109
I've got bruises on my thighs that are literally

02:04:10.109 --> 02:04:14.050
black. And this is, we are recording this on

02:04:14.050 --> 02:04:17.470
the Tuesday following, so five days. And the

02:04:17.470 --> 02:04:19.149
bruises are still getting darker, not lighter.

02:04:19.860 --> 02:04:22.760
And I don't bruise. So that is cool as fuck.

02:04:23.479 --> 02:04:25.560
Not obviously the point of the scene, but it's

02:04:25.560 --> 02:04:27.159
always nice to have something to poke at afterwards.

02:04:27.220 --> 02:04:29.520
You very much enjoyed poking my bruises for the

02:04:29.520 --> 02:04:33.560
next few days. Yes, I did. Very much enjoyed

02:04:33.560 --> 02:04:35.619
giving them a good poke. Which is not something

02:04:35.619 --> 02:04:38.060
we get to do often. No, I don't often have any

02:04:38.060 --> 02:04:41.939
bruises to poke. No. So no, it was a really nice

02:04:41.939 --> 02:04:46.159
afternoon. We just kind of found a spot with

02:04:46.159 --> 02:04:49.229
a blanket and laid there. ate some snacks, talked

02:04:49.229 --> 02:04:52.020
to some pals. Yep. You got waterboarded again

02:04:52.020 --> 02:04:54.979
by the shower. Yes. Yeah, there were two different

02:04:54.979 --> 02:04:57.380
shower blocks there and the showers that I normally

02:04:57.380 --> 02:04:59.340
go in were full. So I went in the other shower

02:04:59.340 --> 02:05:01.380
block, which I had been warned were very aggressive,

02:05:01.420 --> 02:05:03.800
but I hadn't realised quite how aggressive. Turned

02:05:03.800 --> 02:05:05.479
on the shower and it turned out to be freezing

02:05:05.479 --> 02:05:07.819
cold and nearly horizontal with really high water

02:05:07.819 --> 02:05:10.079
pressure. And it just blasted me full force in

02:05:10.079 --> 02:05:11.899
the face, which after you've just been waterboarded

02:05:11.899 --> 02:05:13.619
is the last thing you want. Yeah, yeah. That

02:05:13.619 --> 02:05:15.199
might have been part of why I cried in the shower.

02:05:15.479 --> 02:05:18.199
Yeah, definitely was. But it got the piss out

02:05:18.199 --> 02:05:20.460
of my hair and my hair was so soft after. afterwards

02:05:20.460 --> 02:05:21.979
like it's gonna sound really scruffy because

02:05:21.979 --> 02:05:23.560
i was dropping and really tired i didn't shampoo

02:05:23.560 --> 02:05:25.560
my hair i just rinsed it really thoroughly i

02:05:25.560 --> 02:05:27.640
made sure i definitely rinsed it you know a good

02:05:27.640 --> 02:05:30.460
few times and got everything out um but my hair

02:05:30.460 --> 02:05:33.439
went super soft and cuddly and shiny and stayed

02:05:33.439 --> 02:05:35.399
absolutely gorgeous all weekend without me having

02:05:35.399 --> 02:05:38.720
to do anything to it um yeah so it's good for

02:05:38.720 --> 02:05:42.340
your hair apparently apparently so which is not

02:05:42.340 --> 02:05:45.689
what they say no no that scientifically it should

02:05:45.689 --> 02:05:47.210
be quite bad for your hair but i've had this

02:05:47.210 --> 02:05:49.310
before anytime i get piss in my hair it works

02:05:49.310 --> 02:05:51.869
really well yeah um if i rinse it out without

02:05:51.869 --> 02:05:54.470
shampooing like the effect is really good so

02:05:54.470 --> 02:05:57.569
well there you go you heard it here first yep

02:05:57.569 --> 02:06:00.229
hair care tips from don't scare the newbies i

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wanted to ask you like because i feel like chastity

02:06:03.810 --> 02:06:06.470
has not gone anywhere chastity is living rent

02:06:06.470 --> 02:06:09.449
-free in my head um i i have a lot of thoughts

02:06:09.449 --> 02:06:12.850
about like chastity's past and if chastity survived

02:06:12.850 --> 02:06:15.210
the witch trial what her future looks like because

02:06:15.210 --> 02:06:17.909
because we haven't decided sort of in that universe

02:06:17.909 --> 02:06:20.210
whether the the burning that we did was just

02:06:20.210 --> 02:06:22.250
symbolic and chastity was actually burned to

02:06:22.250 --> 02:06:25.390
death or whether that is what chastity went through

02:06:25.390 --> 02:06:27.890
as she got a brand and she might still be rattling

02:06:27.890 --> 02:06:29.829
around in that universe so i'm thinking a lot

02:06:29.829 --> 02:06:32.539
about chastity like she's a real person that

02:06:32.539 --> 02:06:34.479
i live with now do you have anything like that

02:06:34.479 --> 02:06:36.279
with jeff and i or is he just back in his box

02:06:36.279 --> 02:06:38.600
mix uh yeah i think for me he's more or less

02:06:38.600 --> 02:06:44.220
back in his box yeah um i think because i didn't

02:06:44.220 --> 02:06:47.060
think quite so much about jeff and i as you did

02:06:47.060 --> 02:06:50.000
about chastity like of necessity yeah i think

02:06:50.000 --> 02:06:53.479
i think my my my character in that is relatively

02:06:53.479 --> 02:06:56.680
straightforward to to kind of sketch out yeah

02:06:56.680 --> 02:06:58.140
i probably could have done a little bit more

02:06:58.670 --> 02:07:00.569
i suppose but like but you're right it was necessity

02:07:00.569 --> 02:07:02.550
for me where the more i knew about her the more

02:07:02.550 --> 02:07:05.670
i could strategize and the more defenses i had

02:07:05.670 --> 02:07:08.609
so yeah yeah i think the like the motivation

02:07:08.609 --> 02:07:12.329
of jeff and iris is for me anyway relatively

02:07:12.329 --> 02:07:14.529
straightforward so i know he's kind of back in

02:07:14.529 --> 02:07:19.109
his box a little bit i guess i am curious about

02:07:19.109 --> 02:07:21.710
whether we're you know when we use those characters

02:07:21.710 --> 02:07:24.979
again what what they'll do like we've talked

02:07:24.979 --> 02:07:26.199
about whether or not we're going to do another

02:07:26.199 --> 02:07:28.520
scene with Jeff and I are in chastity if we manage

02:07:28.520 --> 02:07:30.340
to get to camping next year so I guess there's

02:07:30.340 --> 02:07:32.739
something to think about in terms of so what's

02:07:32.739 --> 02:07:35.439
that been like for Jeff and I are in that intervening

02:07:35.439 --> 02:07:39.140
period yeah so you'd be excited to be him again

02:07:39.140 --> 02:07:41.520
but he's not rattling around in your brain making

02:07:41.520 --> 02:07:44.439
loads of noise at the moment yeah yeah yeah whereas

02:07:44.439 --> 02:07:46.819
I think you were much more invested in your character

02:07:46.819 --> 02:07:50.960
than I was of necessity yeah you know Yeah, I

02:07:50.960 --> 02:07:53.100
really like Chastity. I feel like I got to know

02:07:53.100 --> 02:07:55.300
her really well, especially during the interrogation.

02:07:55.579 --> 02:08:00.880
And yeah, I had a sex dream. Well, a non -consensual

02:08:00.880 --> 02:08:03.439
sex dream about Jeff and I are in Chastity the

02:08:03.439 --> 02:08:05.180
night after we got back from camping and then

02:08:05.180 --> 02:08:07.539
wrote smut about it, which I haven't shared anywhere

02:08:07.539 --> 02:08:11.180
other than in a secret place yet. But I may at

02:08:11.180 --> 02:08:12.859
some point or I may write more of it because

02:08:12.859 --> 02:08:16.039
I really enjoyed getting to inhabit her again.

02:08:16.239 --> 02:08:18.600
Yeah. Like writing stuff in her point of view.

02:08:19.579 --> 02:08:23.859
So in my version of the canon, Chastity was branded

02:08:23.859 --> 02:08:26.640
by Jeff and Aya and then taken away to a prison

02:08:26.640 --> 02:08:29.060
for sentencing where she may or may not be executed.

02:08:29.500 --> 02:08:34.180
And I fantasized about, dreamed about and wrote

02:08:34.180 --> 02:08:36.119
about a scene where Jeff and Aya comes to visit

02:08:36.119 --> 02:08:40.420
her in prison and is considering. helping her

02:08:40.420 --> 02:08:42.619
but not in a way that will be beneficial to her

02:08:42.619 --> 02:08:44.939
in any way like getting her out of prison and

02:08:44.939 --> 02:08:49.060
keeping her himself and there's just this love

02:08:49.060 --> 02:08:50.739
hate tension between them where the feelings

02:08:50.739 --> 02:08:52.699
from both of them are still there desire from

02:08:52.699 --> 02:08:54.699
both of them is still there but also they fucking

02:08:54.699 --> 02:08:56.899
hate each other all trust has been destroyed

02:08:56.899 --> 02:09:00.119
jeff and i are wants to just tear chastity apart

02:09:00.119 --> 02:09:02.560
chastity is so angry with him at what he's done

02:09:02.560 --> 02:09:05.699
but still wants to save him and i just i love

02:09:05.699 --> 02:09:08.640
the fire between them and i want to spend so

02:09:08.640 --> 02:09:11.739
much time with those characters but i think that's

02:09:11.739 --> 02:09:13.619
the kind of brain that i have anyway like i have

02:09:13.619 --> 02:09:15.720
a very sort of imaginative and very visual brain

02:09:15.720 --> 02:09:17.720
i always talk about i'm always playing brain

02:09:17.720 --> 02:09:19.920
tv to entertain myself yeah and a lot of the

02:09:19.920 --> 02:09:22.020
time it's just porn but sometimes it is characters

02:09:22.020 --> 02:09:23.640
that i've like written about in the past and

02:09:23.640 --> 02:09:25.399
things like that i like to just watch them go

02:09:25.399 --> 02:09:28.739
about their lives yeah my brain tv is all chastity

02:09:28.739 --> 02:09:31.960
and jeff and i are right now um and i thought

02:09:31.960 --> 02:09:34.039
doing some writing earlier today might dial down

02:09:34.039 --> 02:09:35.819
the brain tv a little bit but it hasn't now i

02:09:35.819 --> 02:09:38.880
just want to write the next scene right so um

02:09:38.880 --> 02:09:41.020
i don't know maybe i'll uh you know we've been

02:09:41.020 --> 02:09:43.640
inspired by uh sunshine and honeypot to do some

02:09:43.640 --> 02:09:45.520
role play maybe i'll be inspired by the episode

02:09:45.520 --> 02:09:47.239
we did with ellie sanders to write some dark

02:09:47.239 --> 02:09:50.319
romance yeah because there's a whole fucking

02:09:50.319 --> 02:09:55.520
novel in those two And we can roleplay every

02:09:55.520 --> 02:09:58.979
single scene to help me work it out. Good grief.

02:10:02.979 --> 02:10:09.159
I don't think I could do that. That's fair. So

02:10:09.159 --> 02:10:14.039
yeah, that was our scene. Yeah. It was amazing.

02:10:14.439 --> 02:10:16.180
It was. It was the coolest shit we've ever done.

02:10:16.279 --> 02:10:20.040
Yeah, it really was. Just ridiculous. absolutely

02:10:20.040 --> 02:10:22.899
ridiculous and and really enjoyed it from start

02:10:22.899 --> 02:10:25.100
to finish and so pleased that i didn't mope out

02:10:25.100 --> 02:10:28.859
of it at the last minute me too like partly selfishly

02:10:28.859 --> 02:10:30.119
because i had a great time but also i'm just

02:10:30.119 --> 02:10:32.159
so proud of you for facing that because i know

02:10:32.159 --> 02:10:35.079
how intimidating you find public play at all

02:10:35.079 --> 02:10:37.119
even just spanking me in a dungeon with three

02:10:37.119 --> 02:10:39.819
people watching it makes you nervous yeah and

02:10:39.819 --> 02:10:42.579
that was such a ridiculous huge step to take

02:10:43.199 --> 02:10:45.060
to face that fear and you did it and you did

02:10:45.060 --> 02:10:47.220
it so fucking well yeah like i would have been

02:10:47.220 --> 02:10:48.920
proud of you even if you just sort of muddled

02:10:48.920 --> 02:10:50.960
through and mumbled a few accusations and then

02:10:50.960 --> 02:10:52.640
dragged me off to the woods yeah i would have

02:10:52.640 --> 02:10:54.300
still been like you still did the thing that's

02:10:54.300 --> 02:10:56.739
awesome but the fact that you didn't you just

02:10:56.739 --> 02:10:58.960
fully embraced it and just became jeff and i

02:10:58.960 --> 02:11:02.739
in a second and were like almost unrecognizable

02:11:02.739 --> 02:11:05.520
from the person i know for nearly an hour and

02:11:05.520 --> 02:11:08.640
a half it just absolutely mind -blowing you did

02:11:08.640 --> 02:11:11.760
so good and you gave me exactly the insane fantasy

02:11:11.760 --> 02:11:14.880
that i had a couple of months ago and then some

02:11:14.880 --> 02:11:18.260
it was amazing it was pretty good and you were

02:11:18.260 --> 02:11:20.880
you were just incredible like you're exactly

02:11:20.880 --> 02:11:25.159
the same your commitment to the bit the way that

02:11:25.159 --> 02:11:26.840
you really thought about chastity and the way

02:11:26.840 --> 02:11:29.680
that you kind of brought that to life and then

02:11:29.680 --> 02:11:33.819
just suffered terribly was was was absolutely

02:11:33.819 --> 02:11:36.199
brilliant i am so proud of you for all of it

02:11:36.920 --> 02:11:40.659
Thank you. It was really, really good. Where

02:11:40.659 --> 02:11:45.119
do we go now? To finish off mix, I was going

02:11:45.119 --> 02:11:52.319
to ask if I could do my monologue. Fine. Yes.

02:11:52.600 --> 02:11:54.739
I've been annoying them with this ever since

02:11:54.739 --> 02:11:56.579
when they're just trying to settle down at night,

02:11:56.600 --> 02:11:57.739
when they're in the middle of something else,

02:11:57.779 --> 02:12:00.439
just piping up with it. But usually I get interrupted

02:12:00.439 --> 02:12:03.399
after about two verses with a shut up, shut up.

02:12:03.619 --> 02:12:08.899
Or shut your whore mouth, witch. Yes. Go for

02:12:08.899 --> 02:12:11.979
it. All the words of my mouth are just. None

02:12:11.979 --> 02:12:14.500
of them is crooked or perverse. How can you say

02:12:14.500 --> 02:12:16.560
we are wise for we have the law of the Lord when

02:12:16.560 --> 02:12:18.539
actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled

02:12:18.539 --> 02:12:21.539
it falsely? Ask the former generation, find out

02:12:21.539 --> 02:12:23.600
what their ancestors learned. They have read

02:12:23.600 --> 02:12:25.819
from the book of the law of God, making it clear

02:12:25.819 --> 02:12:27.600
and giving the meaning so the people understood

02:12:27.600 --> 02:12:30.279
what was being read. Have them take a young bull

02:12:30.279 --> 02:12:32.479
with its grain offering of the finest flour mixed

02:12:32.479 --> 02:12:34.659
with olive oil. Then you are to take a second

02:12:34.659 --> 02:12:37.199
young bull as a sin offering. Pharaoh summoned

02:12:37.199 --> 02:12:39.439
Moses and Aaron and said to them, Pray to the

02:12:39.439 --> 02:12:41.760
Lord to take the frogs away from me and my people,

02:12:41.859 --> 02:12:44.220
and I will let your people go to offer sacrifices

02:12:44.220 --> 02:12:46.960
to the Lord. He placed the breastpiece on him,

02:12:47.020 --> 02:12:49.119
put the Urim and the Thummim in the breastpiece,

02:12:49.300 --> 02:12:51.579
then he sent out a dove to see if the water had

02:12:51.579 --> 02:12:54.140
receded from the surface of the ground. So there

02:12:54.140 --> 02:12:56.220
was great joy in that city, a land with wheat

02:12:56.220 --> 02:12:58.720
and barley, vines and fig trees, pomegranates,

02:12:58.720 --> 02:13:01.000
olive oil and honey. When you have taken the

02:13:01.000 --> 02:13:03.439
city, set it on fire, do as the Lord has commanded,

02:13:03.739 --> 02:13:06.600
see to it you have my orders. Will not the land

02:13:06.600 --> 02:13:08.579
tremble for this, and all who live in it mourn?

02:13:08.720 --> 02:13:10.920
The land will rise up like the Nile, it will

02:13:10.920 --> 02:13:13.060
be stirred up and sink like the river in Egypt.

02:13:14.460 --> 02:13:16.359
Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground,

02:13:51.360 --> 02:13:53.880
I am not commanding you, but I want to test the

02:13:53.880 --> 02:13:55.939
sincerity of your love by comparing it with the

02:13:55.939 --> 02:13:58.140
earnestness of others, just as they have done

02:13:58.140 --> 02:14:01.199
to me since I brought them up out of Egypt, forsaking

02:14:01.199 --> 02:14:03.260
me and serving other gods, so they are doing

02:14:03.260 --> 02:14:06.199
to you. Just as no one has power over the wind

02:14:06.199 --> 02:14:08.500
to contain it, so no one has power over the time

02:14:08.500 --> 02:14:10.739
of their death. Just as no one is discharged

02:14:10.739 --> 02:14:13.180
in time of war, so wickedness will not release

02:14:13.180 --> 02:14:18.020
those who practice it. Amazing. Never speak of

02:14:18.020 --> 02:14:23.979
that again. And I think that is us done. Yep.

02:14:24.060 --> 02:14:44.800
Bye. See you next time.