Welcome to Don't Scare the Newbies, a podcast
where we talk kink, raw and unfiltered. I'm Carisel,
a lifestyle submissive in a 24 -7 dynamic who
likes their kink heavy, intense and scary. And
I'm S, Carisel's dominant, who knows how to deliver
all of the above. And today we're going to be
talking about planning for public play, how to
show off in public. Terrible. Amazing. Terrible.
You can tell which of us is the exhibitionist.
Awful idea. Something a little bit different
today. Yes. We are doing a bit of an experiment
with how we record this podcast, which is a little
bit daunting. Always terrifying when we change
things up. Yes, trying new things is bad. We
should stay in our lane. But usually we come
into these with quite a detailed outline. don't
we? We sit down and we have a little list of
things that we want to talk about. And today
we've got quite a short outline because we're
going to talk about planning for public play
and then we're going to do some planning. Yes,
I'm very excited. Well, not live. Well. A month
in advance and very well edited. Yes. We didn't
need to say that. Oh my God, they're so good
at planning. It just fits together seamlessly.
They're so in sync. We are pretty awesome. Yes,
I suppose me saying we're going to do it live
is a little bit silly because I was like, no,
we're going to do it. We're going to have a conversation
and do it like while we're recording. It's like,
yes, that's what we do all the time. Yes. Just
without the microphone. Yeah. But yeah, it's
exciting. It's nice going into an episode like
less sort of structured. The diversions are the
whole episode today. Yes. Oh, my gosh. People
are going, oh, my God. I realise we should clarify
when we say we're planning for public play. We
are not planning on going to the local supermarket
and whipping our genitals out or going to a local
park and beating the shit out of each other.
We are, of course, planning for public play at
kink events. Yes. Yeah. Important caveat to provide,
I think. because it's a slightly different thing
isn't it if we do it do a scene at home then
you've got certain things you take into account
when you're planning that but there's a whole
bunch of other stuff you need to think about
even if what you count what you define as public
is in a kink friendly space yeah you can't just
necessarily rock up and do whatever you want
everywhere yeah definitely i think that's one
of the big considerations is always what are
the rules and practical restrictions of the venue
that you're going to be in yeah Yeah. And taking
into account the fact that people are observing.
Yeah. There will be an audience. Which we have
very different feelings about. Yes. Yes. Very,
very different feelings about. Usually if we
go to an event at a club in a building, I will
position myself with my back to the door and
any windows that might be there in the room so
that I don't know what's occurring behind me.
I don't know who's watching. Whereas you, I guess
by default, therefore, tend to be facing the
door or the window. Often, but also that is very
much my preference. Yeah, I like an audience.
It adds something for me. Yeah, and that's fair.
And I think, to be fair, I think my aversion
to doing things... either specifically with an
audience or where there is a risk of an audience
because it's not like people kind of crowd around
all the time when you're doing stuff at kink
events yeah and it can be quite unpredictable
as well sometimes we do some really cool stuff
and no one stops by to watch it and i'm like
oh yeah and then other times we're doing something
that is it's always cool stuff but something
that i wouldn't think would be anything particularly
out of the ordinary to see at a kink event you
know they could stick their heads around any
room and see what we're getting up to and you
end up with five or six people watching and it's
like oh hey cool yeah yeah yeah because sometimes
the extent of our planning is here is a bunch
of stuff i'm going to hit you with yeah and we'll
find a space when we get there but every now
and again we do we do go into a little bit more
detail yeah i think especially if it's an event
that we can't get to as frequently like when
we're going to events locally in our area and
the event that we go to regularly in leeds because
like leeds isn't right on our doorstep but it's
easy enough to get to that we know we can be
back next month so there's not really any kind
of pressure it's like if we haven't put any thought
into it's like well we'll just take some stuff
and I'll get hit and it's awesome. But if we're
going down to Birmingham that we do less frequently
or when we go on our kinky camping trip that
we are going to be talking about very soon, that
feels like more of a special occasion. It's like,
right, we've got to put some thought into this
one. Put on a show. Yes, you're right. I think
the events that we go to in Leeds, they're not
on our doorstep. They're a couple of hours drive
away. But then you think there are people who
do that to get to our... local club like traveling
on a sunday afternoon from where they live in
the region it's a couple of hours to get to yeah
especially if you're doing like public transport
and stuff like that so it's yeah it it's weird
isn't it it's 100 miles away but it doesn't feel
like a massive bother no with with you being
able to drive i mean it's no bother for me at
all i just get into the car sit in the car and
scatter plastic all over the place yeah yeah
roll cigarettes eat things drop crumbs control
the music yeah proper good passenger princess
vibes yes which we love we love that for you
um and the other thing to consider especially
like say when we're going to birmingham to to
go to an event like that the you've generally
got more space to use and different spaces to
use with different bits of equipment in them
and different setups so you're able to do things
that you wouldn't necessarily do at home yeah
i mean we're lucky we've got a really good sized
bedroom and we have some kink furniture like
we've got the set of stocks yeah um and the box
which we haven't used in a while we've got this
wooden box thing that we've attached uh restraints
to so i can be cuffed bent over the box which
is a lot of fun yes so we've got probably a bit
more of a proper playroom than than a lot of
kinky people have but even for us there is always
going to be more at a club than yeah than we
have at home and then with outdoor events you've
got just basically unlimited space yes and things
like trees and mud and things like that so yeah
yeah less less furniture yeah but different stuff
different stuff yeah yeah and then when you go
to somewhere like but the the place in birmingham
they have the murder cube yes for blood play
which we have used yes big fan of that and they
have the room that we can't use because we're
both too tall for it um but what they call the
dogging room which is the like attic room that
has a bunch of fake cars in it that you can have
sex on in or around yes i always forget about
that because i cannot stand up in that space
yeah we've been up the stairs looked at it and
gone oh yes we cannot exit the staircase and
then gone back down yeah but if you're if you're
a short king or short queen or short monarch
yeah then that is the place for you Short monarch.
There's a time and a place for the short monarchs
and the dogging room, is it? Is it? Yes. But
those places tend to have all different rooms
with all different setups. Yeah. So like good,
well -equipped dungeons, lots of space, lots
of things to attach you to. Yeah. All of that.
Yeah. Which makes planning exciting and fun.
Yes. So there's like both positives and negatives,
not even positives and negatives. There are differences
that are exciting and differences that maybe
present a bit more of a challenge or a limit
when it comes to planning public play. Yeah,
true. And you can also go a little bit more feral
with it, can't you? So there's a bit of a limit
on what we can do at home. Because of noise levels.
Because of noise levels, especially sort of hitting
you with whippy and stingy things and getting
really consensually non -consensual about it.
There's a... There's a point at which that would
cause a problem. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I think
both of us always have in the back of our heads
when we're playing at home that we have to keep
the noise under control, manage sort of background
noise and things to mask things. And then when
we're in a club, most clubs, either they've got
really good soundproofing or they're somewhere
really out of the way or both. And you can pretty
much make as much noise as you want. Yes. Hurrah.
And the ones that we go to are in really built
up areas as well. yeah industrially type areas
or just off town centres and stuff so yeah so
there's enough noise elsewhere that it kind of
covers whatever's going on in the building which
is nice yes so you mentioned obviously when it
comes to public play there are some things to
consider so i thought i would talk a little bit
about some of the things that we consider mix
what i know really natural progression from there
yes um so a big one i think is thinking about
the etiquette of going into a shared space um
it's a shared kinky space but it is a shared
space so being respectful to other people is
a thing that we don't have to think about at
home apart from the noise levels like we mentioned
we have to be considerate of the neighbors but
we don't have to be considerate of a an audience
who can see us and who are also trying to use
our playroom yes um where that very much is the
case at a kink event yeah um so a big one is
thinking about how much space we're going to
take up and how much time we're going to take
sort of actual just the really practical stuff
of use of resources yeah because when we're at
home if we want to do a three hour scene we can
just do that that doesn't affect anyone except
us and we have and it was great Do the interrogation.
Where one of the events that we go to, they actually
have a limit on how long you can use the rooms.
I think they ask you no more than 45 minutes,
if I'm remembering right, Nix? Yeah, and I'm
never sure whether that's 45 minutes plus aftercare
or 45 minutes including aftercare. Yeah, I mean,
I don't think they police it particularly strictly.
We've definitely overrun by a few minutes a couple
of times, but as a rule, that's what you're aiming
for, is not to hog the rooms, because it's a
big event and it's a decent -sized venue, but
it's not got a lot of separate spaces. Yeah.
So once you've gone... a space no one else can
have it um so to make sure everyone gets a turn
hopefully gets a couple of turns they ask you
to to limit your time yeah um but thinking about
space as well so again if at home we decide that
we want you to hit me with every single toy that
we've got and you want me in restraints and you
want to drag me from room to room around the
house and do all of this stuff you can you can
do that we can use all of the space we have where
if you are in a club you need to make sure that
you're not blocking other people from using equipment
so if you go into a shared dungeon room and they've
got like a sex swing and they've got a saint
andrews cross and they've got like one of those
massage tables and you lay all of your toys out
on the massage table attach me to the saint andrews
cross and then you sort of sit in the sex swing
to sit and chill for a bit yeah that's three
pieces of equipment being used for one couple
yeah and it's really annoying isn't it i find
that one of the most annoying things about going
to events is when people do kind of spread out
yeah i try and be really conscious about it and
trying to be try to be as space efficient as
i can i try to be as space efficient as i can
to the point where you know if you if you're
on like a spanking bench or something there's
space underneath it so i'll put the things that
i am using underneath it on the floor rather
than kind of spreading out and that's probably
going a little bit too far but it does annoy
me when i see people spreading out 75 things
on one bit of equipment which means nobody can
use it and then they're in another part of the
room yeah definitely and there's times when it
can sort of be reasonable so sometimes two pieces
of equipment are going to be so close together
that realistically you couldn't have people playing
on both at a time and then using one of them
as a table for your kit bag is fair enough but
yeah that's something to consider when you arrive
there but a lot of the time it's worth thinking
about a little bit in planning if the scene you
want to do actually does require you to use multiple
pieces of equipment thinking about whether that's
something that either you want to do at home
whether you want to pre -arrange that with the
organizers potentially if it's something sort
of really big the organizers might be happy you
know if you're going to have multiple people
involved or there's audience participation going
on to set aside some time for you to just take
over an entire space um but it takes a little
bit more thought and planning if you're wanting
to do that kind of thing yeah yeah and the venues
that we've got experience of it are usually fairly
open to that sort of thing aren't they kind of
making spaces available for people if they want
to use them for specific scenes yeah some venues
um and some events will allow you to kind of
private hire one of the rooms while the event
is going on so the room is just yours even though
the event's happening in the rest of the building
which can be a really cool way to work it sometimes
they'll just just accommodate especially if it's
a fairly small event they often can say yeah
for the first hour of the event that space is
yours to do your big scene and then yeah and
then we'll open it up to everybody yeah um so
that can be that can be an option um and also
events where there is less limitation on space
can immediately open that up to more so things
like sort of the camping events yeah um immediately
you tend to have a lot more space like more outdoor
space where people can just spread out and then
if you want to do a scene that lasts an entire
weekend you claim your little patch of the woods
or whatever and go for it yeah yeah yeah and
we saw a little bit of that at camping last year
didn't we kind of people doing like massive sprawling
scenes across entire sections of the of the campsite
which is pretty cool very very cool um I suppose
something else thinking about like shared spaces
at events or shared dungeon spaces or shared
rooms at events. There's a, I was going to say
it's an unwritten rule, but actually I think
it might be a written rule at some events as
well about first in sets the tone to a room.
So, you know, if you go into a room and you want
to do a really chill meditative rope scene, then
anyone else who comes in after you is kind of
expected to. align with that vibe yeah absolutely
it doesn't mean they have to be doing the exact
same thing but something that's not going to
be disruptive and is going to fit the same sort
of feel so someone might be doing wax and someone
else doing rope for example and as long as neither
of you are particularly screamy wriggly people
those can both be pretty chill yeah but if someone
is doing wax or rope and they're having a nice
chill sensory time and you come in and start
getting whipped really hard yeah it's Not going
to be the right vibe for them. No. It doesn't
necessarily apply as much the other way around.
I think if you go into a room where someone's
doing some really loud, screamy impact and you're
cool with doing very chill, sensory or open there.
Yeah. I don't think anyone's likely to complain
about it. No. But you can't expect them to tone
it down for you. No, I think, yeah, I think the
respect kind of flows the other way then, doesn't
it? As if you respect the tone that is set and
accept that if you go in there, you might be
limited. Yeah, absolutely. You go in there and
the tone of the room is the tone of the room.
And so you can be as chill as you like, but you're
going to hear some screaming. Yeah. Yeah. And
don't complain about it. Yeah. I think would
be the thing there, isn't it? Yeah. If you want
to do some really chill rope stuff next to a
screaming whipping, then that is a choice that
you've made. And that extends to a certain extent
to events as well, I think, where the tone of
the event is the tone of the event. Yeah. And
it might not be as much as a... there is a strict
rule you can't do these things here. That might
be part of it as well. But if an event is something
that is more chill, either because it's sort
of pitched as something quite beginner friendly
or because it's something that has got to focus
on things like rope, wax, sensory impact, you
know, the kinds of play where people are less
likely to be screaming full force. Yeah. Then
even if it's not explicitly against the rules,
if you go to that event and do something really,
really heavy, really, really loud, is that going
to... not quite be the right fit for that event
would that be better fit somewhere else yeah
yeah yeah because some of the events we go to
are kind of all -purpose kink events they don't
have a particular theme or a particular vibe
other than come along and do some kinky stuff
um but some some events are tailored very specifically
to a particular type of kink or a particular
group of of kinks so you kind of have to plan
around that if you're going to go to it And I
suppose for those really specific events, you
wouldn't be going to it unless you were interested
anyway, necessarily. You would think, but I have
encountered the public mix. I am sure there are
people who see a femdom event and go, ah, yes,
me as a male will take my female sub to this
event and we'll have a great time. People are
like that. Yeah, true. True. Oh, they wouldn't
get in, surely. They wouldn't get in, I wouldn't
have thought, no. But people have probably tried.
Yeah. One of the things that we always have to
think about when planning to play at events,
and I touched on this at the start, is being
aware of the rules. Yeah. I think being aware
of rules is something that's always been quite
a big one for us. And it was a big part of us
starting to go to events out of area because
the local events that happen around us, they
do some really great events and we've had some
really good time at them. But there are quite
a lot of restrictions tied to the venue where
all the events happen. And a lot of those restrictions
were the things we like to do best. So no use
of hammers was a really specific one. No breath
play. No intentional blood play. Yeah. There
was a few others. I can't remember because it's
been a while since we went. But that meant when
we were going to events with those kind of rules,
we had to really specifically plan for what we
were going to do. Because a lot of the things
that weren't allowed at those events were things
that we would just do in the middle of a scene
without necessarily having specifically planned
for it. Just normal stuff to us. Yeah, I think
so. I think so. And I think there was because
you mentioned beginner friendly events earlier
on. And I have a bit of a bit of a thing about
that. Yeah. In terms of where you can't do this
here because this is a beginner friendly event.
And it's like, well, maybe that's the perfect
time to do it then so that the beginners can
see how you do it. Oh, yeah, I fully agree. I
just also think that if that's. what the organizers
have decided is the vibe of the event and they
are specifically describing it as beginner friendly
and they set some expectations of what that means
the way to challenge that is not to go in and
beat someone bloody without talking to anyone
about it first but i completely agree i think
beginners should be welcome at heavy play events
because sometimes that's what the beginners are
specifically here for yeah this is why we are
called don't scare the newbies because uh literally
because we have had that said to us on some occasions
yeah Yes, we have. So yeah, you're right. We
found ourselves a little bit limited by some
of the rules. Yeah. At those events. So we started
going to events where the rules were a little
bit more relaxed. A lot more relaxed. You know,
the one we go to down in Birmingham is basically,
don't break our stuff, don't die, don't be a
dick. Yeah. I think we can cope with that. Can
manage that one, yeah. As a group of rules. But
yes, if you are planning a big scene at an event,
you've got to make sure that it's within there.
risk profile of the event and the venue yeah
definitely and a good event and venue will publish
all of that as well it'd be really clear yeah
or at least be willing to chat to you about it
if you ask if you're planning something and you're
not sure if it's allowed or not pinging a message
to one of the organizers they'll usually be really
helpful um and to be fair like i definitely prefer
going to events where the rules are more permissive
and where we can do a lot more of the range of
stuff we're into but it does sometimes force
you to get more creative if you do have a lot
of rules to kind of work within it's like okay
so we can't do that so what are we going to do
that creates the same feeling what are we going
to do that would fill that part of the scene
really nicely yeah um and it can sometimes encourage
you to do some of the stuff that you maybe don't
do as often so it's not all bad i think we just
reached a point where we like being able to really
let loose yeah so we do make you hootle most
severely most severely uh with a range of nasty
nasty tools um so the things that you have to
sort of plan around for venues those things that
can be a little bit limiting the space the time
the rules but there's also big opportunities
with venues again like we touched on at the start
there's things you can get the venue that you
can't get anywhere else yeah um so part of the
planning for playing at an event is assuming
that you know the venue a little bit even if
you've not been there before again there might
be some information on the event listing or there's
things you can reasonably assume if it's an event
in a swingers club they will have beds they will
have at least some basic furniture like spanking
benches yeah um so planning how you're going
to make the best use of the space while you have
it yeah and also Big one for me as an exhibitionist,
planning how to make the most out of having an
audience. Yes. In your case, maybe planning how
to minimize the audience. How to mitigate the
impact of the audience. Yeah. and that stuff
we talk about isn't it when we're going to an
event you know when we go to the event that we
really like in birmingham there's a play space
that is on the main dance floor in front of the
bar yeah and they have several smaller dungeons
off to the side so when we're planning scenes
to do i'm like is that something you'd feel up
to doing on the dance floor and more often than
not you go can we go in the little dungeon down
the stairs yeah um and then we go in the little
dungeon down the stairs but every now and again
you're like yeah i could handle doing that in
front of a larger number of people and we Pick
a spanking bench on the dance floor and do the
thing. Yeah. And it's a really weird thing, that,
for me. Like, when we first started going to
events together, which was my first experience
of going to events. Mine too. Mine too. Yes,
it was. You're right. I was really nervous about,
A, being in a social situation. But also, because
a relatively limited number of people up to that
point in my life had seen me do kinky things,
I was kind of taken by the fear of, oh shit,
what if I'm doing it wrong? You know, what if
I go in here and I start doing what I think is
perfectly normal, in kind of quotation marks,
in a perfectly normal and acceptable way, and
somebody comes along and says, you're doing that
wrong and you're doing it so wrong i need you
to leave yeah because you are a bad bad person
so i think i think there's that aspect to it
as well still of not because i think i'm doing
it wrong but i'm worried about how it's being
perceived by others i get that so kind of wanting
that little bit of privacy so i'm not feeling
judged and assessed yeah which is a really weird
space to be in yeah i i'm surprised that still
affects you as much because you have played in
public so many times now that you know that you're
probably not doing anything wrong or at least
not so wrong that people feel the need to ask
you to leave because they would have done it
by now they would have done it by now i don't
think it's quite so much of an issue now but
i think there are probably if we do something
on the dance floor then it is more likely to
be something that i absolutely know that i am
comfortable with and know what i'm doing and
know i'm doing it right and feel confident if
we decide to do something a little bit on the
on the edge of that or that's a little bit heavier
i'd probably which doesn't mean that I wouldn't
do it, but I would feel less comfortable with
it, I suppose. I'd have that little bit in the
back of my head of going, I need to really concentrate
and make sure I'm doing this right because blah,
you know. I think that that affects you less
from what I've seen as well if it's a bit more
interactive with the audience. So if people are
just standing watching you, I can see you get
a bit nervous about it. But you've done some
really advanced, quite technical stuff with an
audience, but it's been... more kind of a laid
back atmosphere and chatty so i'm thinking about
a couple of the public waterboarding scenes that
we've done the only two public waterboarding
scenes that we've done in both cases we had people
asking questions coming quite close and taking
pictures chatting to us asking how things felt
and stuff like that so it was it was more like
hanging out with your friends while doing something
rather than like performing yeah and i think
the first time especially when we did that at
the camping event that didn't feel in a weird
kind of way didn't feel like a scene to me you
think about doing a scene especially doing a
scene in front of an audience or in a public
publicly viewable space at an event you kind
of get into performance mode whereas definitely
the first one and to an extent the second time
we did waterboarding it was yeah it didn't feel
like that i was just doing something and then
talking to people while we were doing it i think
it didn't feel like i was being observed yeah
and i think that's the thing for me I think so,
yeah. If you're interacting with people, you're
fine. Like you have social anxiety, but not anywhere
near as much interacting with people as you do
being observed. Like you say, being perceived,
as you often say. You don't like being perceived.
I don't like to be perceived. So that's something
to factor into planning for public play. And
definitely a big one for us, particularly because
we're so different in that, is finding the point
where you are comfortable. And I am still getting
a little bit of my exhibitionist kick out of
it. And a really good way of managing that, like
you mentioned, is where we position ourselves
in a room. So if it's a private room, but with
an open door, you can put your back to the door
and whoever's standing out there is none of your
business. And I can be in a position where I
can see the door and have a good time knowing
that there's people looking in and seeing what's
happening. Yeah. Yeah. And then doing the things
that are within your comfort zone as publicly
as you're comfortable doing them. True. very
true one of the things that you're really good
at with planning and that you did particularly
when we first got together a lot and that you've
done when you've played casually with other people
i think it's it seems to be your go -to with
sort of new partners particularly yeah is to
do actual written outlines for scenes yeah um
which i think is really cool do you want to tell
me a little bit about what goes into that mix
yeah um it's not something that i do a massive
amount now unless it is a really big a really
big scene um In thinking about this episode,
I'm like, no, I should do that anyway. I should
just write stuff down and go through the process
of that. Because I live in a constant state of
worrying that we don't do enough big set piece
scenes or not doing enough spontaneous off the
cuff. stuff i know because we talk about this
every check -in and every check -in it's one
or the other you're like we haven't done enough
big scenes and i'm like yeah but you've done
something little and mean to me every day for
a month that's really cool and then the next
month you've done like eight massive really intense
scenes and you're like yeah but i haven't done
anything kinky in day -to -day life yeah and
both are really good those are really awesome
yeah i have no complaints so yeah so i live in
this constant state of of feeling like i'm not
i'm not doing it right somehow And perhaps going
back to using these little templates that I had
would be a way out of that. Yeah. I'd have a
stock of ideas. But you're right. I did it particularly
when we first got together. I have also done
it when I've played with other people or at least
gone through the kind of the thought process.
Yeah. When I've been doing it. But some of the
things I will think about is what's the premise?
What's the kind of. If there's a story to it
or a narrative to it, what's the idea that we're
exploring? And then think about, well, what do
we need to do before? What's going to happen
during? So when I say before, what's the lead
into it? What prep do we need to do? How's the
scene going to start? How are we going to get
into it? And then what are the things that are
going to happen during the scene itself? And
then what will happen afterwards? How do we signal
that the scene is over? What do we do around
aftercare? And then thinking about, okay, so
if there is a degree of physical risk in the
scene, what things do I need to think about?
So you have... You have a degree of hypermobility
in some of your joints. And I've played with
other people who've got quite significant hypermobility.
So I have to think about that when I'm attaching
them to things and throwing them about and stuff
like that. So thinking about those kind of really
practical things, safety things. If we're going
to do something which is really going to freak
out the cats, do we need to shepherd them into
a different room sort of thing? Or are they going
to present an active risk? Yeah. You know. So
those really quite dull practical things, but
really important. You often have to think about
my glasses if we're doing any sort of CNC stuff,
especially if you're going to surprise me. Yeah.
Is making sure that either I've already taken
my glasses off or you build in gently taking
my glasses off into the scene. Yeah. Pointing
a fake gun at me like, take your glasses off.
It's like, that's really specific, but okay.
Yeah. Because you like fancy frames and delicate
frames. Yeah. So it's not like I can just kind
of. smooch them off your face and throw them
away because they weren't cheap and they're really
nice last night you slapped one of my earrings
across the room as well no you didn't because
you didn't even slap me i don't know how you
threw one of my earrings across the room i was
gonna say i didn't do that at all how did my
earring end up on the opposite side of the room
mix that's what confuses me i genuinely don't
know but it was several feet away in a corner
yeah But no, I'm not allowed to slap you at the
minute. No, I have some fresh filler settling
in my face. We're recording this in June after
I just got my cheeks and my chin done and I can't
be slapped for four weeks. Yeah. Which is hilarious
because that's your go -to. Yeah, I really like
doing it. Yeah, so God knows how you managed
to knock one of my earrings all the way across
the room. No. I mean, I wasn't gentle with you,
I suppose. Kind of momentum, possibly. But anyway.
So that's the kind of structure that I approach
to it. And if you write it out, you tend to get
more ideas as you're going. Yeah. You know, kind
of, oh, yeah, I could do that. Oh, yeah, I could
do that. But it also flags up stuff that you've
got to really think about. Yeah. And if it's
something that we're planning together or that
you're planning, but that I'm going to know all
the details of and I'm not going to be surprised
by any elements of it, like getting to read those
is or getting to help you put them together is
really fun. It can be really hot. getting one
of those through there's been a couple of times
where you've sent me one and i'm sitting there
like sweating reading it like yes i want this
to happen to me um but that also gives me the
opportunity to say what have you had this in
or actually no i don't like that yeah yeah or
be wary of this yeah that sort of thing um so
it's a really handy way of thinking through a
scene and it and it can be dead helpful especially
if you're planning on doing something at a play
event or a venue yeah you know kind of forcing
you to think about the practicalities of it so
what type of room do you want what furniture
do we need so where in the building do we need
to be heading for so some of the things that
we've done at play events have been things that
we would have just done at home but some of the
things we've planned for play events have been
things that really would have only worked or
would have only worked as well as they did yeah
at play events yeah i thought we'd talk about
a few of those yeah first one i would probably
mentioned all of these on the podcast at some
point but one that was really great was the taylor
swift trivia quiz yes that was a lot of fun the
plan for that was that you well i i got a taylor
swift quiz book for christmas and we immediately
i don't remember whose idea it was but i think
just spontaneously both of us realized we could
use that for a scene yeah um where you were gonna
go through the book asking me questions and if
i got a question right i got hit with something
i liked and if i got a question wrong i got hit
with something i didn't like yeah and i can't
remember if there was like a penalty if i had
to use the multiple choices or if i had those
we had a few extra rules to it i think we i think
there were some um general rules about kind of
the amount of time that you could take to answer
a question and and yeah there are a couple of
multi -choice ones in there and i didn't give
you the multi -choice to begin with yeah and
if you were struggling i would give you the options
because you are a massive swifty so i kind of
went into it going no if you don't know the answer
then you're a shit swifty yeah and that was one
that would have been lots of fun to do at home
like a really fun light -hearted giggly scene
but it was really heightened by the fact that
it did gather quite an audience yeah and i think
an audience you were quite comfortable with because
it was a a bit of a sillier lighter scene in
terms of the vibe and you were doing stuff that
you were very very confident with you were just
hitting me with stuff and by that point you hit
me with enough stuff in public enough times to
know you were doing it right yeah and because
it was an event that we were going to really
regularly we knew or at least sort of vaguely
knew everyone who was watching um it didn't seem
like you got too nervous about that no and there
was quite a lot of not exactly audience participation
but sort of audience interaction people kind
of cheering when i got stuff right or laughing
if i got something wrong or was struggling with
something and it was like a very friendly vibe
and that was a scene that was definitely way
more fun for having done it in public than if
we just yeah sat down with our quiz book at home
yeah no i agree I agree. It was a really fun
thing to do. I was a little bit surprised it
got as much attention as it did, to be fair.
I think people just wanted to learn stuff about
Taylor Swift, mate. Yeah. Because like you've
mentioned earlier on, there's been stuff we've
done where we've really thought about it and
it's not something we do on a really regular
basis. And it's just been the two of us in a
space. And no one's kind of walked past or seen
it or anything. And then there's others where...
I'm just hitting you with stuff and we attract
a crowd. And I think I put that into that category
for me because it was like, well, I spend five
minutes talking to you and then I hit you for
a couple of minutes and then I spend another
five minutes talking to you, kind of thing. So
as a spectacle, I wasn't expecting it to attract
a lot of interest, but there was a good few people.
kind of having a look weren't they which was
which was nice yeah like you say it really added
to it i was a bit surprised i wasn't i thought
that would be quite a popular one because it's
a bit different like yeah you were just hitting
me with stuff but we were doing something that
Like, when was the last time you saw someone
doing a Taylor Swift trivia quiz in a dungeon?
Yeah. People aren't going to have seen it before,
probably. And that immediately gets people's
attention. And I think people like stuff that's
funny. I think when you're watching stuff at
a kink event, you sometimes feel like a bit of
a weird pervert. And that's kind of the point.
Like, we're allowed. As long as you're not, like,
standing there wanking in the corner, it's fine.
But if you're watching a really sort of serious,
heavy scene, you can sometimes feel like you're
intruding, even when you're not. Where... With
something that is meant to be quite light and
silly and giggly and the people doing it are
getting the giggles. Yeah. And you can laugh
at it as well because it's funny. Then it feels
like a more social thing and you feel like you've
got a better reason to be there. For me, at least.
Maybe I'm just really self -conscious. But I
always wonder if people want an audience if they're
doing something very serious. And probably they
do. Like, a lot of people are just like me. They
really like an audience. But it feels more like
the circle is half open if people are doing something
giggly. Yeah, I think you're right. Every now
and again, if you're looking for a room in a
venue or something like that and you end up watching
something and you do kind of have that feeling
a little bit of going, this is really intense
and quite intimate and the person on the receiving
end might be having a great time, but they also
look like they're having a really hard time.
Yeah. So kind of standing and watching it feels
a little bit invasive. Yeah. But yeah, the silly
stuff is always a good fun to... to see yeah
and we've seen people do sort of quiz based scenes
before never with taylor swift we are the only
ones we know of um but we've seen a couple of
sort of quiz based scenes before that were really
fun like group quizzes and stuff that are just
super entertaining to watch so yeah i think that's
why i thought it would probably do quite well
yeah uh what else what else have we got Another
one that was completely reliant on it being an
event mix was the day at camping last year where
I had a speech restriction. Yes. And I had to...
walk around we went to a couple of workshops
we watched some of our friends play we played
ourselves we hung out and chatted to people for
hours and hours and hours spent a full day where
i had a speech restriction where i could only
use two syllable words yeah um so that word bits
word bits two word bits um so that immediately
relied on there being a lot of people there because
we wanted me to have to interact with a lot of
people we could have just done that the two of
us but we you know we're chatty people that's
why we have a podcast but we do spend good chunks
of time just sitting and staring at the tv or
staring at our phones usually both um if you're
at a big group event and you're there all day
you're gonna do a lot more talking so it was
a lot more easier for me to get caught out yeah
plus we had a um whiteboard hanging around my
neck saying what the rules were and a sharpie
attached to it so that people could put tallies
on me yeah uh if i if i fucked up so it wasn't
just you keeping track it was other people coming
chatting to me often trying to trip me up on
purpose yeah and then when i said a word that
was too long putting a tally on my arm to keep
track of how many times i'd screwed up yeah um
and that was the other thing that was great about
it being interactive is people trying to trip
me up especially all of the brats all of the
brats just wanted me to be in trouble um everyone
that we were interacting with who was a brat
was asking me like trick questions and snitching
on me to you if i slipped up and fully trying
to get me in as much bother as possible yeah
because obviously that was the um the day that
then led to the the unhinged whipping the next
day yeah where for a where for every tally i'd
got for using a word that was too long i got
hit once full force with the whip and ended up
with 65 of them yes oof oof but that was really
fun and that was something that that you came
up with and planned very specifically for that
kind of event not just for any event but for
an event where we were going to have the full
day of interacting with people literally from
first thing in the morning because as soon as
we came out the tent it was like a shared toilet
block um like we were sitting outside the tent
right next to another tent with people that we
knew a little bit and it like i was going to
be talking to people from when i woke up until
i went to sleep yeah so it's a perfect event
to do that for yeah yeah um and we've done that
that twice the speech restriction thing we did
it at an event in birmingham before that which
was just for an evening. And that was really
fun. And again, it's, you know, part of the challenge
of it was interacting with lots of people, trying
to remember the rules after we'd played a couple
of times and my brain was all floaty. But that
was a bit more low key because it was a shorter
event. And also because there wasn't a major
consequence to it. Every time I did use a word
that was too long, you hit me really hard with
something. You carried a nasty, slappy toy around
to hit me through the evening. But it was one.
slip up one hit and then a little break before
i had to take another one yeah where when we
did it camping the the consequences all all came
at once yes they did and another one that was
very much planned for an event was my birthday
scene that we talked about in the blood play
episode um where we went to the event in birmingham
that we keep mentioning over and over again because
it's so fucking good um and they have what's
called the murder cube which is basically a plastic
wrapped gazebo um so that we can do blood play
so that anyone at the event can do blood play
without making a mess of the nice furniture and
the nice floors and the nice people around them
yes um things can get a little bit splashy in
there without any problems and then it's easy
to clean up afterwards um and we do that at home
we do that at home quite a bit but at home without
a plastic wrapped gazebo without the gazebo yeah
so at home we do put some plastic sheeting down
but inevitably it does get on things that we
didn't intend it to so at home there's more setup
and more cleanup we obviously did did help with
the cleanup at the event but they'd already got
the gazebo set up for us when we got there yeah
and they do a full clean down of it themselves
after so they just ask you to deal with the the
splashes basically so it's a little bit easier
um but also that was something that we were doing
36 hits with each of the spiky toys that we'd
taken on different parts of my body getting me
to count them out loud yeah and i found that
just so much more fun because that gathered quite
a big crowd and became very interactive where
people were counting along with me at one point
people started accusing me of having skipped
a number which i still swear i did not but the
entire audience was sure that i had um there
was the big sort of like oh that everyone did
when you picked up the spiky bats like it just
it felt kind of like being in a pantomime yeah
honestly but like in a really good way yeah no
it was a really fun scene and weirdly that was
one given what we were doing you know hitting
you with spiky things is is not something to
do lightly no and and you know if you are starting
out with with with doing impact maybe not a spiked
baseball bat you know or And if you're starting
out doing impact, maybe don't start with a baseball
bat with acupressure discs screwed into it. Maybe
not the first thing you do, no. No. So in theory,
that is the kind of thing where I would have
been a little bit kind of antsy about doing that
in front of a big crowd. But actually, it felt
fine. Yeah. I had the usual nerves of doing it
in front of a crowd because I always do. But
it didn't feel... like uncomfy. I think partly
because we knew a couple of people who were watching
and they brought their pals. You go, hey, you
want to come and see? You want to come and see
this? But because it was quite interactive as
well. Yeah. It was like, you know, I think I
started off, I had a black short sleeve shirt
on with a white vest underneath it and the shirt
was annoying me. So I took my shirt off and everybody
was like, well, that was a mistake, wasn't it?
You're going to get blood all over that. yeah
that'd be fine and you did and i did obviously
i did i knew i would but um yeah that bit of
interaction was i think made it really fun yeah
it's like a birthday party like a really fucked
up birthday party as well as hitting you with
a whole bunch of spiky things yeah hundreds of
times always a good time because it was what
six seven six six areas makes yeah we had the
problem with the maths when we talked about this
on the blood play episode I think it's 200 and
something. Yeah, a lot. Six times 36, I think
it's 200 and something. But I'm not getting the
calculator out this episode. I've done that before.
If you want to know exactly how many it is, go
listen to the Bloodplay episode. Or do your own
maths. Do your own maths, yeah. But yeah, that
was a really fun, really fun tea. Yeah. We had
to contact the venue ahead of time to say, can
we do this? And they said, yes. And they set
it all up for us. We also got a good grade on...
uh cleaning up yeah they said it was the cleanest
it had ever been left yeah so we did a good job
yeah so we are now into the uncharted territory
of podcasting entirely without an outline yes
terrifying because we are going to start planning
for what we're going to be doing at our kinky
camping trip that we are going on this year i
am so excited for it it is i'm working out how
many days it is wednesday thursday friday saturday
sunday but we arrive on the wednesday morning
like mid -morning and we'll be leaving by lunchtime
on sunday so we've got we've got three full days
to fill with as much horrifying violence as we
um but definitely some time to play on the wednesday
and theoretically people do play on the sunday
morning we intended to last year and were dead
by sunday so my suggestion this year is that
we don't plan anything specific for sunday morning
that is my first suggestion for planning for
this yeah that's probably wise take plenty of
stuff with us there's always things we can do
you can always just hit me with some stuff yeah
but we don't have a special scene planned for
Sunday because then we'll be a little bit disappointed
if we don't get to do it yeah I think so and
it was perfectly sensible that we didn't do anything
on the Sunday but it did mean that we didn't
get all of the stuff done yeah and we've been
saving bloody impact for the Sunday because um
we didn't want me to have any kind of like wounds
healing they're only tiny little wounds but still
didn't want any wounds healing for the other
things we got planned so it was a sensible order
but by saving it for the sunday it meant that
actually we just weren't neither of us were were
up to it and that meant that we went to one of
the very few events where you can do almost completely
unrestricted blood play and did no blood play
which felt like a yes a missed opportunity yes
which we should fix this year definitely um so
that's my first suggestion for a scene which
is pretty straightforward To plan. Yep. We'll
take some spiky things and I will hit you with
them. That sounds like a very good plan, Mix.
Yeah. It seems like the kind of thing that you
would want to do as publicly as possible. Yes,
Mix. so i don't want to reveal too much of the
layout of the venue because then that might give
away the venue but there are areas where during
the day people tend to really gather quite close
together yeah and i would say probably not there
because some people you know it's a heavy play
encouraged event but some people might not want
to be sitting down having their lunch 10 feet
away from someone covered in blood yeah um but
not hidden away somewhere in the woods either
not sort of tucked away as far from people as
we can get kind of a little bit out of the very
central area but within sort of distance view
of the central area so if people want to toddle
over they can have a look. That would probably
be my suggestion. Yeah. We'll have to explore
when we get there and figure out which is going
to be the one. That might be a task for Wednesday
when we've got the tent set up. Yeah. It's to
grab a map and go wandering. Yeah. Yeah and like
pick our locations in advance. So we'll need
some plastic sheet. Yep. To put down because
although it is outside we do not want to leave.
We would leave stuff behind. No. Leave bits of
you behind. Especially if it's a really nice
dry sunny weekend like it was last year. The
blood won't go anywhere. No. We'll need a towel,
a spare towel as well then, won't we probably?
Yeah, mix. Yeah. And I'll need some comfy dark
clothes to chuck on for a bit afterwards until
the bleeding stops. And we'll need to take spiky
toys. Spiky toys. I want to have the first aid
kit anyway. We need to top up the first aid kit.
Yep. We'll restock that before we go. And we
probably don't need to plan a lot of detail for
how that's going to go because I imagine this
isn't going to be, there's no big narrative arc
to this. We're just, I'm taking my clothes off
and you're hitting me with stuff until we've
had enough of it. Yeah, I think so. I think so.
And I think we've got, we've done that enough
now that we kind of know how to escalate that.
Yeah. So we'll take the space permitting, I suppose.
That's something we'll need to think about. Assuming
the space will take the spiky baseball bat. But
I won't start with that. Yeah. Because it would
be silly. to start with that that's a that's
a finisher that's an end of scene yeah um sort
of thing um cool so that's one scene done yeah
amazing i think once we've got an idea of all
the things we want to do we can think more about
an order but i still think blood should come
near the end of the weekend um just so that it
doesn't limit other things that we might want
to do yeah um but given that i know we've both
got a very big very intense scene in mind we
might not want to do anything after that so blood
might end up slipping in before that in the order
but we'll see what else we've got when we've
when we've got it so let's see how many ideas
we have between us but i will i will pitch you
one now okay i would like to do some pig play
in the mud mix that was on my list as well we
are we are so compatible yeah But this is something
that I've been really thinking about since last
year because you've been calling me pig as degradation
for a while and feeling like I am being treated
like a pig rather than acting like a pig as in
the literal animal. is really hot to me but i've
never been interested in pet play and i didn't
think i wanted to sort of do pig play until i
saw people doing it at camping yeah we saw an
incredible scene last year of someone having
like cuts of meat marked out on their body um
and and various other things i'm not gonna go
into loads of detail about someone else's play
but i saw that and i was like yeah i want that
yeah um so like being forced you know like forced
but definitely having a good time with it to
roll around in mud and get really really grimy
and being your dirty pig yeah please me very
much yeah so this is one where where actually
a little bit of a premise might be helpful because
there's a version of that where you are just
enjoying being a pig in and splashing around
in mud and my role in that is kind of supportive
yeah like oh yes you are a almost getting into
kind of pet play territory of I'm going to treat
you like a pig, but a pig that I care for. A
good pig. A good pig. So I might put you on a
leash and kind of you'll scramble about on the
floor and snuffle and roll around in mud and
stuff like that. Or are you wanting it to be
you are a dirty, disgusting pig and you belong
in the shit? I feel like probably the second
one makes, but also the first one sounds really
sweet. And I don't know. I don't know. That is
the truth because I kind of want to be your good
pig, but also I want to be a dirty, disgusting
pig rolling around. Yeah. Not in the shit, but.
Yeah. If you're rolling around in the mud, it's
liquid and it's brown. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah.
How do you want to. Maybe a little of both. You
are a kind and gentle pig owner taking your pig
for a walk and then your pig gets overexcited.
and gets really muddy, and then you are displeased
with your pig, and shove it in the mud more,
because if it wants to be a dirty, disgusting
pig, you're going to make it be a dirty and disgusting
pig. And then you fuck it. Obviously. That's
usually my suggestion for what happens next in
the scene. Yeah. And then you fuck it. And then
what? Fuck it. Give me your penis. I will write
that down. Fuck the pig. Thank you. Okay. And
then maybe, I don't know if we could get a hose.
I don't know if they have a hose, but then aggressively
hose the pig. Jet wash the pig. I don't know.
I don't know whether they do. I think everyone
I saw doing Mudplay went in the shower, so possibly
there is no hose. Yeah, which is going to be
something to think about, because I was conscious
of when people were doing that. I was like...
They are not particularly robust showers. Yeah.
And they got a little bit blocked up. So we just
need to think through washing you down a little
bit. Yeah. Getting the worst of it off you before
you go and ruin the shower. Yeah. But we can
ask when we're there. Yeah. We can say, is there
a hosepipe that we can use to jet wash the pig?
There must be. It's a campsite. There must be
taps. Yeah. There are taps. There are taps for
filling up water so we could take a hose. Yes.
We could take a hose and hose the pig. Yes. So
a little bit of recce to see where those are
as well. Yeah. Some things to think about. Some
things to work out. But yes, that is sounding
like I did not have a narrative in mind. I just
knew I wanted to do some muddy piggy play. And
then as soon as he started talking about it,
he's like, yes, yes, the pig is misbehaving on
its walk. I would love to misbehave on a pig
walk. Yeah. So we will need your, which one do
you want to take? Do you want to take the pig
hood or the pig harness? I think for getting
muddy, the pig hood mix because it's cheaper
and it's a wipe clean material. I don't want
to ruin my nice leather pig harness. Yeah. But
I would like to probably take the leather pig
harness for. yeah just pottering about in my
life well that sounds good someone on tiktok
drew me in my pig harness yes they did i was
so pleased that was really cool yeah i've saved
it and i will save it forever yeah no it was
really nice wasn't it made me so happy good have
you told them that yes yes and i nearly missed
it because um tiktok put it in my folded comments
probably because they thought this person was
calling me a pig and thought it was someone being
mean um but uh i i checked my folded comments
and uh It was there. I was like, oh, this is
so nice. Usually when I open my folded comments,
I regret my life. This is a good surprise. Thank
you. Yeah, that feels like that could be a scene
if we've done something either earlier in the
day or the previous day, which is pretty intense.
That might be a good scene to do as a follow
on. Yeah. A little bit less, obviously, like
degrading you and stuff like that. So it's not
like it's really. really chill but probably physically
less intense yeah i feel like that could go either
like you say after an intense scene to be part
of the sort of cool down not the immediate cool
down but like we want to play but we don't want
to get too fucked up um or potentially um for
something to do on the wednesday after we've
arrived set up our tent things like that we might
be a little bit tired and low energy that day
yeah and in fact i think that's similar to what
we did last year we did a piggy walk last year
without the mud and without the The hosepipe.
Yes. But you put me on a lead and put me in my
pig hood and took me for a walk. Yeah. Yeah,
yeah. A little bit weather dependent as well.
Yeah. So I might need to keep an eye on the weather.
Yeah. But there was mud last year, even though
it was dry and sunny the whole time, I think,
sort of in certain parts of the woods. Like once
it gets muddy, it stays muddy for weeks. So we'll
be able to find some mud. Yeah. Should I suggest
the next one? Oh, yes, mix. Well, this is basically
a rehash of one that we did last year, but because
we're going to be in the wilderness. It would
seem silly not to shove some nettles in you?
Yes, Mix. I had this same thought, but I have
a thought for those potentially being part of
the big scene. Ah. Mm -hmm. Interesting. Yes.
Okay. Well, should we put a pin in that one,
then? Yes, Mix. And then if we decide not to
use them in the big scene, we will circle back.
Okay. In that case, so the... Another one I've
got is a woodland rape play scene. Yes, Mix.
Is that on your list as well? It's not on my
list because I didn't know if you would be brave
enough, Mix, because last year it took you the
whole weekend to be brave enough to even have
sex in the tent. That is true. But if you are
up for that, abso -fucking -lutely. Abso -fucking
-lutely. Yeah. So my general idea for that is
you toddle off for a walk and then a masked assailant
with a store -bought penis as backup finds you
and does terrible things to you. Yes, mate. It's
basically my premise for that. That sounds excellent.
I think it's smart to have the store -bought
penis as backup. Yes. In case yours is afraid
of being in the woods. Yes. Because my penis
has a tendency, does it not? Unfortunately, to
not always be the most cooperative in what it
perceives as high stress situations. Yeah, it
doesn't like a big audience. Definitely. It gets
very upset at the thought of a big audience.
And even if we were in a fairly quiet bit of
the woods, I think that was what limited you
last year is feeling like people were observing
you having sex. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. So that's
probably another one to kind of scope out. a
little bit yeah because i'm assuming you would
want that to be somewhere where we are relatively
unlikely to have people standing and watching
it yeah i think so i think you know for for all
it's a it's a really permissive event i think
that kind of thing could be a little bit triggering
for people so i wouldn't want to do that somewhere
where we know there's going to be people yeah
so finding somewhere that is likely to be pretty
quiet um would probably be a good idea And there's
plenty of it. There's loads of bits of the woodland
itself where you can't camp because there isn't
enough space to pitch a tent. Yeah. I think when
we were out for a walk, we kind of stumbled across
a couple of scenes that were happening well into
the woods, weren't they? So I don't think it'd
be hard to find a spot for it, but I don't want
to do it somewhere that's super high traffic.
Yeah, definitely. And because my phone tracks
me. I don't necessarily need to know where that
spot is. We could go on a walk to scope places
out. You can decide where the spot's going to
be. And then I follow the same route to go on
my walk, and I don't know where. I will encounter
a masked assailant. Yeah. Will the masked assailant
have weapons, Mix? Oh, possibly. Possibly they
might. Will the masked assailant put their weapons
inside me, Mix? Possibly. Possibly. It seems
like the sort of thing that a masked assailant
would do. is carry some sort of weapon to subdue
its target. I love this masked assailant. So
that's another one to scope out. When we're finding
our bearings, we'll think about where that might
be able to occur. Yeah. We'll also need to check
out the GPS as well, because that's a really
good suggestion. As long as it works. As long
as it works, yeah. We'll check that the tracking
is actually accurate because if it's not, then
you will have to know where I'm going to be.
And that's probably not unachievable. I'm not
exactly a ninja, but I could follow you. And
that's just the thought I just had is actually
maybe it's hotter if you follow me. So I go for
a walk in the woods. Yeah. And every now and
again, I hear a noise behind me and I look back
and there's someone in a mask. Yeah. Like hiding
behind a tree. Yeah. Don't like that. I start
walking a bit faster. I hear the person behind
me start walking a bit faster. And then I'm running
through the woods and I'm being chased through
the woods. Oh no, I'm being chased by a masked
assailant through the woods and they have a weapon.
Oh no. And a store -bought penis. Oh no, how
terrible. I hate this. Maybe the store -bought
penis is the weapon. Maybe. Bonk you on the head
with it. Maybe the masked assailant has a plastic
bag. Maybe so. Listener, I am taking notes as
we go through this and somehow I have got caps
lock on. So now I have stalking plastic bag on
my notes. Excellent. So normally when we're planning
scenes together, we wouldn't stop and have a
serious discussion about bystander consent because
we already know where we stand on that. But since
we're recording this. We're going to do that.
Yeah. So this event that we're planning for is
one that is very, very clear that it is very
permissive and that a lot of people who attend
are heavy players. It's something where everyone
who is there is comfortable knowing they're going
to see quite a lot of heavy play, including things
like blood, including breath play and including
consensual non -consent scenes. We would not
go to just any dungeon event and do a rape play
scene. in front of an audience no um and even
at an event like this we are as you'll have heard
us talk about thinking about ways that we can
do it so that people can very much opt in rather
than it suddenly happening right in front of
their faces picking a quiet spot and people might
wander along see it from a distance and go that's
not for me and go elsewhere yeah um we did stuff
at this event last year along the same kind of
lines and it was chill and other people were
doing similar things um but this is stuff particularly
as you start getting into particularly triggering
potentially triggering kinks to think about is
whether the event is suitable for it is there
anything you want to add mix for our important
disclaimer i think you've got i think you've
covered it pretty well and i think this that
that scene in particular is one where we'll be
careful about the location of it you know notwithstanding
how permissive and open -minded the event is
and the expectation that people come into it
is the last thing you want is to have somebody
out for a chill walk in the woods and then to
see something that is going to trigger them i
think there's a little bit of responsibility
on both sides for that if you are a person who
is likely to be triggered by seeing a particular
type of behavior maybe a kinky camping trip in
the woods is not for you but that doesn't absolve
us of any kind of thought as well yeah um And
it didn't matter in the end, but you remember
when we did the big whipping scene, because the
premise for that is, I'm going to hit you as
hard as I can, as many times as I need to, and
it's not going to stop no matter what. There
was a CNC, consensual non -consent element to
that as well. Yeah. And we used our little whiteboard,
and it's still up in our bedroom. Yeah. So we
really clearly, by the path, put a little sign
up which said, This is a no safe word CNC scene.
Viewer discretion is advised. Yeah. And we probably
didn't need to do that, but I think it put your
mind at rest particularly. And also it's quite
cute. Like I like that that sign just hangs in
our bedroom now because it just applies. Yeah.
That's generally what's going on in there. Yeah.
My only other idea is the big one. Oh no, I have
another one. I have three. Holy shit. I told
you I got ideas. In addition to the big one?
In addition to the big one mix, yeah. Fucking
hell. I started writing ideas down and I was
horny. Right. So my next one is that, obviously,
as some of our listeners will remember from the
branding episode, I have a brand on my back that
says Fuck Pig. And it's been a while since we
went over that and it's a little bit faded. And
I thought that might be quite a fun and quite
chill but really cool thing to do. Nice. That
is such a good idea. I'm so smart and wise. And
you're going to be really surprised by what I'm
about to say to you. Was that on your list as
well, mate? No, it wasn't. I'm going to say something
else that will be really surprising to you, though.
Wouldn't that be a really cool thing to do in
the main area? Yes. A bit like we did last year
with the waterboarding? Yeah. I think people
would like to see that. Yeah, okay. That's a
really good idea. So we'll need to buy a couple
more quartery pens for that. Probably only need
one, but it's worth having a backup. Is there
anything else we need in the first aid kit? Because
when we've done it before, we've been in the
house, which is not a sterile environment. But
it's cleaner than a campsite. But it's cleaner
than a campsite. I would definitely want to make
sure we've got antiseptic cream with us. I'll
probably only use it if it starts seeming a little
bit more sore than it should be, but it's good
to have. I heal from burns really, really well.
So my approach to burn healing is not... completely
aligned with like NHS guidance, anyone listening
to this who's wanting to get into burns and branding,
I encourage doing your own hefty research. But
for me, I tend to leave them uncovered, wash
with water only and use antiseptic only if they're
irritated. With us being on a campsite, I will
definitely take dressings and I will consider
how clean our space is and what we're going to
be doing, whether I want to cover it just while
we're at camping. Because that might be smart.
It is an open wound. I know we're going to get
on to the order of things in a little bit, but
this is one definitely to do after any mud, not
before. Yes. Even with a dressing, I'm not going
to roll around in mud with an open wound on my
back. Yeah. I mean, given the number of ideas
that we've had so far and there are more to come,
I feel like we're going to have to edit. No,
we played more than once per day last time we
were there, Mix. Yeah. We'll squeeze them in.
Fair. Okay. That's a really good idea. I like
that. Thank you. Good job. Did you say you were
out of ideas apart from the vague one, Mix? No,
I've got one more, but it's a really vague one.
I want to hear the vague one. I really enjoyed
the bimbo day and the two -syllable task last
year. So I think it would be fun to do something
like that again, but I don't know what. for the
interaction with people mix or for the verification
or a bit of both for the for the interaction
of it i think there's something really nice about
like in that setting doing something which means
people will notice and go oh what's going on
over here and take part or something that allows
us to kind of reach out a little bit but i i
genuinely don't know what that could be i have
good news for you mix oh wow i have an idea cool
the next idea on my list is public ashtray Nice.
Yeah. So I was thinking we could like maybe walk
me around on a leash or maybe just walk around
with me, but have some kind of sign like we did
for the bimbo day. And maybe spend quite a lot
of time around sort of the kind of main public
areas where people will be sitting around smoking
and make sure that people are aware that I am
available for public use as an ashtray. We could
have areas of my body marked out that are suitable
for people to do stub outs. So like just mark
with Sharpie, like. stub outs here are fine um
could allow people to flick ash into my mouth
um could allow a limited amount of stub outs
on my tongue i don't want to take hundreds off
them yeah yeah but uh yeah see if people want
to get involved in that yeah that sounds like
a really good sounds like a really good idea
um We've got the ashtray gag, but I feel like
that would kind of defeat the object of the interactive
part of the exercise a little bit. Yeah, and
I want to take ash in my mouth. I really like
that. I mean, I hate it. It's disgusting, but
I like it. That's the point. Yeah. So sign on
the pig. That's you. Yes, me. I think what we'll
need to do is this will be a scene that we need
to figure out the exact details of what is and
isn't going to be allowed when we figure out
where we're putting it and what else is happening.
Because we are starting to rack up quite a lot
of skin breaking activities. Yes. And there's
only so much skin available. Yeah. I'm not against
it. I really like putting cigarettes out on you
and the idea of other people doing it is quite
hot as well. But if it turns out that only five
people are going to be able to do it, then that's
probably fine. But yeah, just thinking through
the practicality of that. Yeah. Let's see how
much we end up with on our list and where we
place them and then... can make some decisions
but we could still do public ashtray even if
we don't allow any stub outs at all just having
people feed me ash all day would be yeah degrading
and hot and objectifying and all of those good
things yeah yeah so is that you out of ideas
other than the big one mix yes cool because i
still have one i have one left all right i was
going to suggest we have a full day where i'm
not allowed to wear any clothes at any point
mix weather dependent Because you're an animal.
Yes. I want to run around outside and remember
I'm an animal. Full day of nudity. I can get
on board with that. Are you going to join me,
Mix? Absolutely not. Nope. People will see my
knees and that's about it. Fair. And they can
be satisfied with that. I find your knees very
satisfying, Mix. Do you? I prefer to see more
of you, though. Yeah. Particularly when they...
Well aimed between your legs. Or yes mix. Or
yes. So full day of nudity from get up to go
to bed. Yes mix. Weather dependent. Yeah. Yeah
if it's freezing I will struggle with that. At
the risk of overloading the car do you want to
take your body chain thing or just be completely
naked? Ooh. Maybe the body chain mix. Yeah. Depending
on what we do because if that ends up being a
day that I'm going to be getting muddy for example.
I don't want to get the chain all clogged up
with mud. I guess I could take it off. Yeah.
True. Actually, if I'm rolling around in mud,
I might want a bra on for that. For the sensory
nightmare. Yeah. That's fair. Is there any consideration
for your sensitivities around your boobs? No,
I think as long as you're not putting me face
down on anything that day, Mix, or if you let
me put something on my top half if you are going
to. Then that's fine. Like I used to find sort
of feeling my boobs moving around used to set
off a lot of sensory stuff for me, but a lot
less now. I think since we started going to more
events where I've been naked or I've been wearing
really skimpy stuff that isn't really supportive,
I've adapted a little bit. It's just like friction
on my nipples that upsets me greatly. So I'm
not going to be lying face down on anything unless
it's extremely soft. And that's something we
could cater for anyway, isn't it? We'll have
towels with us. We'll have. pillows with us yeah
have a duvet with us so if we if we do decide
to do something which requires you to be bending
over something or lying on something then we
could probably accommodate that if we needed
to yeah that would work we've done that at play
events before where i've been getting naked to
lie on something and we've popped down like a
folded towel or something and that's yeah that's
usually fine so i think we're on to the big one
mix oh we've been talking about this all the
way through Oh, yes. Apart from the big one.
Apart from the big one. Let's hope people are
excited to hear about. And not just annoyed,
yeah. About our big plan. Do you want to start
or shall I? I'll start, Mix, because this one
was my idea. I'm quite proud of this. Yeah. So
we are doing a witch trial. Yes. We are doing
our second interrogation. And it's going to be
a witch trial. And I am so excited. Yes. It's,
yeah. This is our big set piece. Yeah. I suppose
this is probably the one where, after we talk
about it now, we'll go away and kind of write
it down. Yeah. And work it out. Yeah. And do
some more research, I think. I think we've both
been doing some research today, but I think between
now and doing the scene, we'll probably both
be, like we did for the interrogation, the first
interrogation, as it will now be known. Yeah.
Both of us were independently researching how
to win. Yeah. And how to fuck with each other.
Yeah. And how to make it really good. And I think
there's going to be some of that going on because
I already have a full strategy, a character,
like everything. But I'm excited to plan this
with you, but still keep some stuff close to
the chest. Right. OK. Interesting. So where do
you want to start with this thing? Because I'm
really interested to hear about your not. I don't
want to know the details of your strategy of
how you will win. But in my head, it would be
really fun to kind of set it up as to make it
a little bit of a surprise, I suppose. And over
the course of the time before. kind of become
increasingly suspicious of you yeah and your
witchcrafty ways um and then really lean into
that kind of salem religious hysteria kind of
thing so one of the things that i've been researching
is the language that is used to describe the
the women yeah um you know and like fairly obvious
words like harlot and devil's strumpet stuff
like that you know kind of really lean into that
kind of demonic possession sort of yeah madness
that was around the witch trials like a paranoid
vibe yeah very sort of like like you're as unsettled
by what's happening as i will be unsettled by
what you do to me because of it kind of thing
yeah i think so and there's there's I think there's
an opportunity, and I kind of hate myself for
saying this, but there's an opportunity to make
a bit of a spectacle of it as well. I was so
hoping you would be on board with that mix because,
yeah, absolutely, a witch trial's got to be public,
right? Well, that's not quite what I said. But
I quite like the idea of almost kind of Game
of Thrones -esque, you know, when kind of Cersei
Lannister is kind of paraded through the streets
and there's people behind a ringing bell going,
shame, shame, shame sort of thing. Like in my
head, if we have Stace in the car, almost kind
of forcing you into the manacles that we've got
and kind of parading you through like a pretty
high traffic area of the... campsite to somewhere
which is a little less high traffic okay but
not completely private it's got sort of somewhere
in the middle that sounds fair yeah i'd add it's
so interesting like i'd have the thought about
the the big slave chain as well yeah it would
be perfect yeah to parade me around and kind
of dragging you through yeah like kind of dragging
you through the the town square and it's going
to rely on me being quite a good actor i think
going you know kind of witch harlot demon whore
sort of thing as i drag you off yeah to be interrogated
and to get you to confess to being a witch yeah
because the essential structure of it is there
is the the accusation and associated evidence
of it and then there is the the um sort of inspecting
me for further evidence you've got your kind
of accusations and things you've observed and
things like that then you're actively looking
for evidence you are examining me and trying
to figure out if I'm a witch. And then you are
making up your mind that I'm a witch and interrogating
me to force a confession. Yeah, yeah. And that's
what we need to plan our way through. Because
I know one of the things that both of us were
reading about today was witch marks. Yeah. And
the potential for just humiliation of being stripped
down and inspected thoroughly everywhere and
poked and prodded and... tested yeah it seems
like a lot of fun yeah yeah and um using the
magnet in your finger yeah Yeah, I hadn't even
thought of that until you mentioned it. It's
genius. So I can't remember if we mentioned this
before. I have a small magnet implanted in one
of my fingers that I got during a phase of my
life where I was really super into body modification
because that was an outlet for my masochism that
I hadn't really acknowledged yet. So, yeah, I
have a magnet the size of a grain of rice in
my finger that is strong enough to pick up anything
up to about a teaspoon. So, yeah, that definitely
feels like it might qualify as a witch mark,
especially if something sticks to it. Yeah, yeah,
I think so. I think so. And I guess there's a
conversation for us to have about how much of
a performance piece we want this to be. Because
it's like, like you said, it's big enough to
pick up a teaspoon. So is that something that
you do? And everybody around us is like, oh my
God, you picked up a teaspoon. Whereas I'm like,
what the fuck? Yeah. What is this? Sorcery. You
know. Is that the angle we're going for or no?
It could be, but equally it could be something
that isn't revealed until you are starting to
inspect me, Mix. Because if, for example, you
were testing for witch marks with some kind of
metal object, if you were jabbing me with something.
Yeah, that's true. And then traced it over my
finger and it snaps to it. Yeah, true. As someone
investigating a witch, you might have some questions
about that. I have some thoughts. Yeah. About
that, yeah. Yeah. True. So it's probably another
thing where we're on our first day exploration.
We kind of need to decide where the bulk of the
interrogation is going to happen. Yeah. And how
we kind of transport from where we are to where
that is. Yeah. And there's a few options on that
because it's a massive site, isn't it? So there's
a few landmarks and things that have been built
that would be quite handy and aren't necessarily...
like tucked away without being a major thoroughfare
yeah which might work quite well i agree yeah
we'll we'll scout out a few ideas when we get
there and see where it's going to be good because
you'll also have to think about anything you're
wanting to use for the torture and interrogation
part of it potentially stashing up there in advance
if you're wanting to drag me around and leave
me out there yeah true but we've got i think
a few people that we know going so you could
also potentially recruit some assistance yeah
Have someone watch the stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I wouldn't be massively worried about the security
of the stuff. No, no, I think it's quite a trustworthy
bunch. Yeah, yeah, that could be a thing we could
do is kind of ask someone to take the stuff up
for us or keep an eye on it when it's up there.
Yeah. Sort of thing. You also don't necessarily
have to commit to a single location for the entire
thing. You could do some stuff to me in one location
and then drag me off somewhere else where something
else terrible will happen. Yeah, true. So I had
a long list of things that I could do to you.
How interesting. I have a long list of things
that you could do to me as well, Mix. So shall
I go through mine? Yes, Mix. So this is for the
interrogating for a confession portion of the
proceeding. Yes, which I feel like is going to
be the most lengthy. Yeah. So I have several
things that I can hit you with. I would suggest
for maximum entertainment on my part that not
much of that is study. I agree for this kind
of scene. Like I'm supposed to be suffering.
Yeah. So kind of really stingy, whippy things
rather than clubs. Yeah. And paddles and stuff.
One of the things that came up in my research
today, which we might be able to get a version
of it, but if not, we've got something that would.
do the do the job is they called it a pair and
it's basically like a bulbous thing that goes
inside you and then it's then there's a little
mechanism on it which you twist which kind of
opens you up yep and obviously the idea during
the witch trials and the the torture that the
actual torture that they did was that it caused
significant damage but that A scaled down. A
scaled down version of that because there's a
lot of misogyny, obviously, about the witch trials.
Which I was going to suggest is that I play as
female for this. Like my gender is out of the
equation for this. Because that was the whole
point. It was male hysteria about women having
too many thoughts. Yeah. So let's lean into that
and ramp that up. Yeah. Yeah, I have also heard
of the pair, obviously, because of who I am as
a person. Yeah. And something that works like
that but doesn't put me in hospital. Awesome.
But also a similar vibe is just using a speculum
and then shoving stuff in that hurts, which is
why I saved Nettleplay for right now. Ah, genius.
Yeah, I'd put speculum on the list rather than...
Because I imagine those things which imitate
but are not quite as dangerous as a pair will
be quite expensive. Yeah. Because they're steel
and lots of mechanics in them and stuff. Yeah.
We can have a look at that, but the speculum
would do just the same. Yeah. And then use something
else to bring the pain element. Yeah. Speculum
and nettles. Nice. And I feel like that leans
into like the, we're not, I'm not saying we can't
use anything that's a modern material because
we have modern materials. Why would we not? But
leaning into things that people during the actual
witch trials would have had access to. Nettles
have always been around. Leaning into the sort
of conflict between. humanity and nature with
the just it fits the vibe i like the idea of
nettles and they're not they're not too intense
for me i'll have quite a good time with that
probably but there'll be a lot of stuff that
is really intense so yeah i feel like that's
okay yeah yeah but also i don't i wonder about
the kind of layering of obviously nettles inside
you as well but if i'm hitting you with whippy
things yeah either before or after i've put nettles
on your body yeah that could be very interesting
would be quite intense possibly yeah quite intense
yeah and doing the nettles over and over again
it gets more intense as well so we could do repeated
nettle stuffing yeah along with lots of like
verbal sexual humiliation and being like you
know if you're going to consort with the devil
then yeah this is what you get yeah yeah yeah
um a little bit of waterboarding but maybe something
different or a different approach to it so rather
than pouring water on you shoving your head into
a bucket yeah we need to do some reading on risk
with that because i know dunking is more risky
than waterboarding which is another one people
often don't expect but yeah dunking would fit
the vibe but definitely some waterboarding in
there so yeah we'll look into the risks of dunking
but definitely materials for waterboarding yeah
would be a good some form of water torture must
be involved yes uh we've talked about the devil's
marks yes which in the stuff that i've read were
then looking for parts of the body that don't
react to pain yeah there were different beliefs
around it and i think it changed over time so
sometimes it was doesn't react to pain sometimes
it was doesn't bleed and sometimes it was just
like weird marks yeah weird looking moles weird
scars and things like that i've got plenty of
weird looking scars yeah yeah um i don't think
i've got any parts that won't react to pain but
i don't always react to pain in a normal way
so that could be an angle um and also if you
like jab it enough places you will find one that
doesn't bleed at some point because yeah yeah
That's how blood vessels work. But I was thinking
we could use like the Wartenberg wheel that we've
got for that sort of thing for testing for marks.
Yep. One really interesting thing that I saw
was one of the tests that they did was they called
it the incantation test. And basically they made
the woman recite the Lord's Prayer. On the basis
that someone who is possessed by demonic forces
would not be able to complete it and that they
would stutter and stumble over their words. So
kind of forcing you to recite something like
that while I'm beating the shit out of you. Yeah.
It's just more evidence for the fact that you
are possessed. I love that. Yes. You know? Yeah.
I'm not fully set on making you recite the Lord's
Prayer, but something like that. I think you
should. I think we lean into the religious angles
of it, definitely. I'm definitely intending to.
You won't know unless you win the interrogation
whether I'm a witch or not. But the version of
me I'm presenting to you is that I am a good
Christian woman. So I'm more than happy to recite
the Lord's Prayer and probably lots of other
things. Yeah. How about soaping of the mouth?
Oof. Like, yes, but oof. Yes, mix. There's a
few things that I've put on the list which might
have some practical considerations because they
definitely fit the vibe. But like from a, you
know, the witch trials were not big on safety
and risk. But I thought of, we have a salice,
we have a shock collar, and we have a heretics
fork. Yeah. And all of those would really fit
the vibe really nicely. But one of the things
I'm really worried about with the heretics fork,
so if people don't know what a heretics fork
is, it's basically a, a double -ended fork essentially.
It's got two spiky bits either side and it sits
between the person's chin and kind of the top
of their chest. Yeah. And it's designed to kind
of make them keep their head up and it's quite
painful. One of the reasons why I haven't used
that on you yet is on its own it's fine but if
I'm doing other stuff to you if your head moves
it's going to pierce you. Yeah. I mean, it's
not super sharp. The one we have is quite a safe
one. But yeah, if I'm really thrashing about,
I could hurt myself. What I would suggest is
that might be good for either while you're parading
me about and announcing to everyone that you've
caught a witch. Yeah. Or if we build in any periods
of leaving me to sit and think about what I've
done for a bit. Yeah. Put the heretics fork on,
similar to how we had a posture collar when we
did the first interrogation. Yeah. God, it's
so exciting that that's the first interrogation
now. it's finally coming yeah um and the shot
collar it doesn't really fit the vibe i suppose
it it is quite a modern thing that might feel
out of place but but also it's fun the thing
with the shot collar is though it doesn't generally
bother me very much like it generally feels quite
nice no that's true So it might be a bit too
much of a break for me. I know your first ghost
stuffing nettles inside me I'll quite enjoy,
but if you do it five or six times, I'm going
to stop enjoying it. The shot collar I can just
kind of take all day and it actually diminishes
over time. It gets less intense. True. However,
even though I've just said, a bit too modern,
if we have a spare quartery pen branding the
word witch onto me. Could be quite true. I know
I'll have to live with that for a real long time,
but... Yeah, yeah. We could think about how we
could do that in a way that is less likely to
leave a scar. Like, do it really lightly. But
I don't necessarily mind if it scars. I'm okay
with that. Okay. Are there any parts of your
body where you wouldn't want to do that, then?
Like, across your forehead, probably. I mean,
that's hot in theory, but yeah, not on my face
or neck mix and not anywhere where I've got any
existing tattoos or brands. Yeah. Other than
that, no. Maybe that's because that is that is
a big thing. But also it feels like that should
be like a climax of the scene if you win. And
I confess because you can't execute me. No, I
am not. I will not resurrect if you do that.
So the. conclusion of a witch trial once you
got a confession would be that the person would
be executed generally we can't do that so maybe
that's what happens instead is i get branded
as a witch yeah and if you don't win then you
don't i don't no that is true i am not expecting
to win this i'm not going into this with a winning
mindset well that's something we need to talk
about we'll go through the ideas of what to include
but but then we need to talk about the parameters
of it yeah yeah And the last thing I had is whether
or not I am masked in some way. That could be
quite hot. Also, your face when you're hurting
me is quite hot. It's so difficult having so
many kinks. Because the one that I was thinking
about was like the Plague Doctor. One that we've
got. Yeah. But a practical consideration is how
hot am I going to get? Yeah. And will you be
able to see all right? Will I be able to see
well enough to know what's going on? Yeah. That
could be quite fun. Different eras, I think.
Yeah, I don't think we're going for perfect historical
accuracy here. No, I'm not going to be wearing
the big hat with the buckle on the front and
stuff like that. You know, a big swooshy cloak.
And the last thing I put, which I think is probably
for the third interrogation rather than this
one, or exorcism. Ooh. That could be the third
interrogation, I think. Or the fourth, because
we've also talked about the getting me to confess
I'm an AI. Yeah, yeah. So those are the interrogation
tactics that I had come up with. Nice. So we've
got some overlap, I think. We're definitely thinking
along similar lines. I had put on mine some level
of public participation, get other people to
check me for witch marks. ask people whether
they think I'm a witch if we gather an audience.
Yeah. I think it'd be quite fun. Yeah. And that
goes to location, I suppose, doesn't it? If we
do it somewhere that's a little bit more public,
we might get people kind of stopping by. Yeah.
Yeah. Even see if some of our friends want to
be involved in giving evidence against me. Yeah.
You've already mentioned about waterboarding,
which was obviously on my list. Obviously. I
put specifically whipping on the list because
the unhinged whipping was very, very good last
year and very, very awful. Yeah. And that feels
like something that could be a part of torturing
me. Yeah, definitely. I've put on my list sex
violence, please. Shock. Definitely. I think
like, again, it's bringing in the misogynistic
elements of it. Like, yeah, sexual interference
could be a good thing to do. Yeah, yeah. I'll
be honest with you. I think that might be. I'm
not saying no. obviously um but i wouldn't be
surprised if because there's so much else going
on my penis is like yeah maybe not yeah and i
figured that might be the case especially if
it does end up being quite public or gathering
people watching but that doesn't mean that you
can't do sexual stuff to me and verbally humiliate
me for it yeah true just inserting random stuff
and yeah making me like be really exposed and
things like that yeah yeah there's elements that
you could bring in yeah if your penis does want
to get involved it is very welcome no it's not
that's not the point i had also thought making
me eat and or drink unpleasant things as sort
of between rounds of torture be like you deserve
a break you can have some food and drink and
then it's a bottle of piss and a plate of cat
food Yeah. For example. Or bin juice. I think
about bin juice often. Yeah. I think about how
it's probably not in my risk profile and then
I think about bin juice some more. Bin juice
from the campsite. Yeah. The communal bin juice.
Communal bin juice. Oh my God. So obviously the
kind of win or lose of it is if I confess, I
lose. I get all the bad consequences of being
declared a witch and I lose. If I don't confess
and you give up at some point, then I win. So
what we need to think about is whether we set
a time limit on it, like we did with the first
interrogation, whether we just do it open -ended
until you've had enough, or whether we do it
until I break and you commit to continuing until
I break, because I will eventually. Yeah. Because
then you could actually get a win. It's a fixed
win, but it's still a win. Are you saying that
we go into it knowing that you will break at
some point? Or are we saying that it is attritional
and I just have to keep going until you say that
you're a witch? That one mix, yeah. Right. Because
no one is immune to torture over a long enough
period with severe enough torture. And I don't
doubt for a second that you could break me. I
just think it's going to take... More than the
last time. Yeah. But I think also the psychological
effect of going and knowing that it continues
until I break would make it harder to withstand
as well. So it would probably shorten the length
of time I can actually hold out. Yeah, true.
Where if we go into it, for example, going it's
going to be 12 hours. It's like, right, I've
just got to make it 12 hours. If I go into it
knowing it doesn't stop until I break, I probably
wouldn't make it 12 hours. Yeah. Because there's
no benefit to me to doing that once I've had
enough. Yeah. I don't know. I think I had in
my head a fixed time. Okay. That doesn't mean
we can't talk about that. The other thing that
occurred to me is there is an inherent inevitability
around a witch trial. Yeah. Very rarely did these
women get off. Yeah. You know? Well, often they
were tortured to death if they didn't confess,
which, again, we can't do. Yeah. Not very rack
of us. No. No. Which is why I asked whether the
premise is you're guilty no matter what. Because
that is how Witch Trials ended. They were guilty
before they started. It was just torture. Yeah.
For the sake of it. Yeah. I don't know. I like
the idea of it being an attritional thing. I
just don't know whether I've got that in me.
Yeah. For an open -ended period of time. I need
to know when it ends. Yeah. It's quite tricky.
Because that was the thing with the original
interrogation, was I knew when it ended. And
whatever the outcome was, that was the outcome.
It was a fixed period of time which I could plan
for. Whereas having it be genuinely attritional
makes it harder for me to plan. That makes sense.
Where the escalation is, I suppose. I think if
it's either a longer period of time or it's an
open -ended period of time, maybe not thinking
of it as needing to be an escalation. It needs
to be relentless and consistent. Yeah. Or inconsistent,
but there's a consistency to it in what you're
doing where I am suffering throughout in various
different ways. It doesn't have to be we start
with the easiest thing and work up to the hardest.
In some ways, it might even be harder to process
if it doesn't go like that. You do something
awful to me. And then you do something a bit
less awful to me. And then you leave me to sit
in it for a bit. And then you come back and you
do something really awful. And then you go, do
you want a break? And I go, oh, yes, please.
And you give me a bottle of water and it's piss.
And then you do something awful to me again.
It's like that doesn't necessarily has to escalate.
It just has to persist. Yeah, that's true. Because
I think one of the things that made it so hard
to plan a second interrogation is we really threw
the kitchen sink at the first one. We did everything.
that you could think of to make me suffer in
a space of three hours. And then it's like, where
do we go from here? And I think the answer is
we put less in, not more, not anything new necessarily.
We've obviously got a new narrative for this
one, like a new theme going on. But you could
do this entire scene cycling between some form
of water torture, some form of unpleasant vaginal
insertion, preferably with nettles, sort of beatings
and whippings. Yeah. And... and like periods
of not actually fully leaving me alone especially
if i'm restrained but like withdrawing and telling
me to sort of like pray for forgiveness and think
about what i've done and all of this stuff and
then come back and it starts again and it goes
into a cycle it doesn't have to be every time
you come into the room something worse is going
to happen it's every time you come back the pain
continues yeah that's true sorry this is not
a good podcast is it because i'm staring off
into the i will i will cut the bit what used
to happen to space it's fine this is also our
planning time i will just i will edit and you
don't have to commit to a decision right now
no like this is our first planning session but
this is to get an outline this is to get a rough
kind of timeline of what we're going to do when
so i guess the approximate length of the interrogation
factors into the timeline yeah but i think if
we dedicate a day to the interrogation and if
it ends up being a short one because i break
in 20 minutes it's not likely but it could happen
um Then we can find something else to do. We'll
have plenty of kit with us. But if we dedicate
a day for the interrogation. Yeah. I think that's
smart and wise. Yeah, I think so. I suppose one
of the things that I am forgetting, I guess,
is my agency in that as well. Yeah. Is that I
can just stop. Yeah. And then, no, I'm done.
Exactly. Like, interrogation is one of the things
where both of us actually really always will
have an instant stop. You're the interrogator.
You can stop any time that you've had enough.
Yeah. And you can stop that. in character and
go you know what fuck it we don't need your confession
we're going to kill you anyway or brand you or
whatever we decide is going to be the consequence
or you can just stop it as yourself and go actually
carizal i'm done i want to cuddle yeah you're
allowed to do that and i can stop at any time
by cooperating yeah true if you were if you were
going to do a fixed length what were you thinking
nick we're not much longer than we've done before
okay i think partly because i know i can achieve
that yeah because i have um But also I think
partly because until you just said, let's put
aside the entire day for the interrogation, that's
the only thing we plan to do that day. I was
also partly thinking, crikey, there's a lot to
do. Yeah. We've got a lot of plans. We'll want
to be spending time with the people who are there,
just chilling out, stuff like that. So I think
I'd assumed a more fixed period because it's
part of a timetable. Yeah. I suppose. That's
fair. And I'm not saying we won't do anything
else that day. I'm saying we don't commit to
something else has to fit on that day. Yeah.
I think I'm happy to plan on the assumption that
it is attritional, so it's not a fixed period
of time, but a little bit more detail, I suppose,
of kind of thinking through the... of that and
going back through those stages of the witch
trial, not just the interrogation bit of building
up a bit of a plan for that part of it as well.
Yeah. Because I think that part of it, the accusation
and hauling you off and stuff like that, a little
bit of a sequence to that would help for me.
Yeah, definitely. And I've got some thoughts
there. I think there could be things that I could
take to have hidden amongst my possessions that
will be suspicious. I mean, I actually am a pagan.
I do practice witchcraft, so there's plenty of
weird shit that I can... bring that would be
very suspicious for me to have on my person if
you want me to scatter in some suspicious behavior
yeah i can absolutely do that so that can be
part of the build -up yeah um they'll then be
the the accusation which as as you say maybe
try to do that quite publicly quite dramatically
quite theatrical yeah yeah um really getting
inspired by there's an episode that You guys
haven't heard yet, but we have recorded where
we were talking about roleplay and gamification.
Yeah. And I'd always been like, no, I'd be so
cringe. I can't act. I can't do roleplay. And
I have been inspired. It's like, no, let's like,
let's go absolutely fucking nuts with this. Yeah,
yeah. I'm really up for it. So, yeah, like make
sure that the accusation part is like dramatic.
And then we go into the torture and interrogation,
which we know very, very well. Yes, we know that
bit. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's work on the
assumption that it's until one of us breaks.
Okay. However that looks. Yeah. For either of
us. See where we land up, I think? Yes. Would
be. Because I think you make a really good point
about if you know how long it's going to last
and you won't have access to time, but as we
have demonstrated, or as you have demonstrated,
you have a way of marking time. I do, but I'm
going to make two commitments to you, Mix. I
am going to speak to you during this interrogation.
Right. And I'm not using music as any part of
my strategy this time. Fair enough. You're two
chief weapons. Yeah. I've already got a new strategy.
It's fine. Oh, have you? Yes, Mix. Oh, really?
Yeah. What's your strategy? You will not find
that out, Mix. You'll have to torture that out
of me. I'll have to torture it out of you. Yeah.
Do a pre -interrogation interrogation. What's
your strategy? interesting because i think that's
what fucked me up last time was partly i guess
not realizing until afterwards that a fixed period
of time gives you something to aim at and you
just have to last yeah x amount of time and you
know when it ends but i did go in with that kind
of throw everything throw everything at it sort
of yeah vibe So kind of less is more, I suppose.
Yeah, because I think that was one of the things
that actually made it weirdly easier for me to
tough out is, yes, there was a continuous escalation.
Yeah, every time you came in the room, something
worse happened. But I knew I only had to cope
with it for a few minutes at a time. Yeah. 15,
20 minutes tops. Yeah. And then you would do
something else and I would get a break from that
thing at least. And so I was having to not even
just I knew I had to survive three hours. It
was that I knew I had to survive the next 10
minutes. yeah and then i had to do it again but
with something different where if there are more
sustained periods or repeated periods of the
same thing over and over again that's going to
get harder because it's going to build up in
my head every time yeah yeah you know if you
come in and whip me for a few minutes and then
take a step back and then you come in and whip
me again the next time you come in i know i'm
going to get whipped and i already know how that
feels yeah yeah and there's something like psychologically
destructive about that yeah that's what we're
going for like psychological destruction oh good
grief because there's like three ways that this
ends either either i don't confess and either
you break at some point or we just need to go
to bed um or i confess and you find out i am
a witch that is my character i'm confessing that
i am a real witch or i break and i give a very
obviously false confession just so that you'll
stop yeah those are the the three things that
might happen yeah yeah true So will you tell
me whether you are going into it with the mindset
that you are a witch or not a witch? No, it makes
the whole point is for you to find out whether
or not I'm a witch. Okay. True. Okay. So are
there any other practical safety things that
we need to think about with it? I think it would
be good if any of our friends who are going want
to be involved in some level in the scene. I
think having someone for you to talk to if you
do step away from me for a minute. Might help
you. Or someone you can even delegate some of
the duties to. We'll definitely need to think
about. Whether you want to incorporate anything.
Into the torture that's going to break skin.
Which so far from what we've talked about. It
sounds like probably not. So that would suggest
for me. Putting it a little bit earlier in the
week. So that you're going in with a fresh slate.
And you're not having to work around. Like a
healing brand. Healing wounds from spiky impact.
Things like that. I think we need to. Plan that
we'll probably need to do quite extended aftercare
and might have some drop because you definitely
did after the last interrogation and like immediately
after I was physically exhausted and physically
dropping pretty hard. And then you were feeling
a bit out of sorts the next day. Yeah. So we've
got that awkward thing of it needs to be fairly
early in the weekend so we can do heavy physical
stuff afterwards. But if it's early in the weekend,
it's going to cost us a little bit of time. That's
the trade off. Yeah. I think it's going to be
workable because the scenes that we've talked
about so far, there were a couple that were pretty
light that I think you'll probably be up to the
next day and I almost certainly will be. So if
there's anything else you want to talk about
on the witch trial, let's do it. And if not,
let's jump into some timetabling. Yeah, it might
be handy to have like a couple of spotters. Not
necessarily for the scene itself, although that
is also a good idea. But for like afterwards
and, you know, kind of think through really silly
things like, OK, so what are we going to eat
after we're done? Yeah. You know. I'm happy to
kind of leave and go to Domino's and stuff like
that as I sit today. But actually, if I'm in
a complete state, somebody needs to go. Yeah.
And get us some food or at least go to the gate.
Yeah. And receive a delivery sort of thing. So
kind of having somebody on hand who could step
into that role if needed might be helpful. Or
being organised and getting food first. Like,
I'm quite happy to eat cold pizza. Yeah. Order
of dominoes before we do the scene. Stick it
in our tent. Yeah, that's a good shout. Yeah,
something like that. Okie doke. So yes, let's...
Are we timetabling or prioritising? Little of
both, I think, Mix. But accepting that the later
down the list things are, potentially the more
risk is that they don't happen. Yeah. So what
have we got that's relatively short, Mix? Thinking
about the Wednesday. Public ashtray. Pig play.
Fairly short. Woodland rape play. Fairly short.
Yeah. So I'm thinking save the ashtray for two
reasons. One, save it for after the interrogation
because that's something that's not intense on
either of us at all. But also two, because some
people don't go from the Wednesday onwards. Some
people only turn up at the weekend. So the more
people we've got on site, the better for a...
public use scene yeah um so put public astray
on a saturday yeah i think put it on the saturday
mix yeah which then makes me immediately think
friday for the witch trial yeah i was thinking
that to be fair yeah because my my instinctive
thought well let's do that on the thursday but
if we do that on the thursday and we are fucked
for the next two days then we're fucked for the
next two days yeah but at the very it's a worst
case scenario do it on the friday then saturday
is the day that we lose yeah because we're not
planning on doing anything sunday no no mix so
you've got all day wednesday all day thursday
to do other stuff friday is the witch trial and
then saturday plan to do a bunch of stuff but
it's almost like a bonus yeah the problem i've
now spotted is we probably don't want to do anything
that's causing wounding before the witch trial
like we said oh yeah so maybe we do go Thursday
for the witch trial we go ashtray for the Friday
and we go branding for the Friday Friday is just
the day of burning stuff because neither of those
are psychologically intense and neither of them
are physically intense particularly for you but
also for me those are things that I can do quite
comfortably yeah and then we do bloody Saturday
because hopefully by then we'll have recovered
bloody Saturday Bloody Saturday. What does that
leave us to still placemix? So we've got the
witch trial. We've got the bloody Saturday. We've
got the brand. We've got the ashtray. That leaves
us with woodland break play, pig play and full
day of nudity. Awesome. So Wednesday could be
pig play. That seems like something that's not
going to be super draining after we've travelled
loads. Yeah. And Wednesday could also be woodland
rape play, if you think that's a good place to
put it. Or I don't know if you want more time
to like settle into the site and get comfy before
doing sex in the woods. Sex in the woods. Because
that could also be a Saturday one, if not, because
I think all we've got on Saturday is the blood
play. So far. And you've got your full day of
nudity as well. Yeah, which could be literally
any of them. Yeah. I probably want a bra on for
the witch trial. Yeah. So any day other than
Thursday. Couldn't be a full day of nudity. And
Wednesday is not a full day and neither is Sunday.
So Friday, naked ashtray. Naked ashtray and branding.
Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Everything fits perfectly.
There'll be workshops and stuff we potentially
want to go to as well that will control the times
of things a little bit. Yeah, completely forgot
about that. The whole educational element to
the, I'm like hanging out with people. Yeah.
But like I said, none of these scenes are going
to require us to be like 100 % doing it all day,
except potentially the witch trial. So we can
look at what workshops are on and plan our day
around it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. A good chunk of
Wednesday, I think, given some of the other things,
will be spent kind of wandering around and scoping
out. Definitely. Well, that's fun. Yeah. That's
quite an exciting plan, isn't it? Yeah, we've
done really well as well. I was thinking like
we might only get a very vague plan sorted today
or a couple of scenes planned, but not everything.
But I think we've got our key scenes for the
weekend sorted. Yeah, yeah. It was starting to
dawn on me that it's in like a month. Same. Yeah,
I felt like we planned way further ahead last
time, but it was our first one. So again, we
kind of threw the kitchen sink at it. It's like,
okay, what is every kink that we like and how
many of them can we cram into a long weekend?
I don't know whether we did because we didn't
get our tickets until quite close to the time.
No, but we still planned really early mix just
in case we managed to get tickets. Oh, did we?
Yeah, yeah. We'd already got a full plan before
we got our tickets. Sounds very on brand. Yeah.
Okay. So which of these, I think the only one
that we really need to write up, I suppose, is
probably the witch trial. Yeah. Well, we're a
little bit later planning than we were last year,
but that's a pretty good plan. Yeah. I think.
I am very excited. Yeah. Some things to think
through, but that of a really cool, start of
a really cool weekend, I think. Yeah. Wrong weekend.
Yeah. Better part of a week. Yeah. And we'll
definitely be talking about our camping adventures
on the August bonus episode on Patreon. Yeah.
But depending on how cool some of the things
we get up to are, they may make it into the main
podcast as well. We generally talk about our
adventures every month on Patreon, but some of
this stuff has the potential to be a whole episode
in itself. I feel like I'm not promising anything
because I might break in 20 minutes and we've
got nothing to say about it. But an episode on
the witch trial could be good. yeah that episode
would basically be me going it's a piece of piss
piece of cake definite witch i mean you know
that from the um day that i was putting together
some pendulums for a friend in the living room
and started chatting to spirits in here and sent
a video in the group chat and you texted back
in all caps what are you summoning yes yes yeah
And I suppose that's the... I have to win the
interrogation because you are literally a witch.
I know, but that's why I'm stepping a bit more
outside of me and I have a character. You won't
know if my character's a witch. You've got to
find out if she's a witch. I will. Best of luck
to you. I already know. I'm going to make your
day hell. I see. Two can play that game. Well,
I think we're done. I think we are mixed, yeah.
Hopefully you have been able to edit that into
something usable. I'm sure I will mix. To be
honest, a lot of that, I think it flowed really
well. You could tell we were in podcast mode,
not just our normal negotiation mode. I think
we did a good job. Yes. I think we have definitely
earned a cup of tea and a cigarette mix. That
sounds like a great plan. Amazing. Bye. Bye.
See you next time.