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Welcome to Don't Scare the Newbies, a podcast

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where we talk kink, raw and unfiltered. I'm Carisel,

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a lifestyle submissive in a 24 -7 dynamic who

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likes their kink heavy, intense and scary. And

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I'm S, Carisel's dominant, who knows how to deliver

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all of the above. And today we're going to be

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talking about planning for public play, how to

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show off in public. Terrible. Amazing. Terrible.

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You can tell which of us is the exhibitionist.

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Awful idea. Something a little bit different

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today. Yes. We are doing a bit of an experiment

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with how we record this podcast, which is a little

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bit daunting. Always terrifying when we change

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things up. Yes, trying new things is bad. We

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should stay in our lane. But usually we come

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into these with quite a detailed outline. don't

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we? We sit down and we have a little list of

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things that we want to talk about. And today

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we've got quite a short outline because we're

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going to talk about planning for public play

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and then we're going to do some planning. Yes,

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I'm very excited. Well, not live. Well. A month

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in advance and very well edited. Yes. We didn't

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need to say that. Oh my God, they're so good

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at planning. It just fits together seamlessly.

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They're so in sync. We are pretty awesome. Yes,

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I suppose me saying we're going to do it live

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is a little bit silly because I was like, no,

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we're going to do it. We're going to have a conversation

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and do it like while we're recording. It's like,

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yes, that's what we do all the time. Yes. Just

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without the microphone. Yeah. But yeah, it's

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exciting. It's nice going into an episode like

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less sort of structured. The diversions are the

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whole episode today. Yes. Oh, my gosh. People

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are going, oh, my God. I realise we should clarify

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when we say we're planning for public play. We

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are not planning on going to the local supermarket

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and whipping our genitals out or going to a local

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park and beating the shit out of each other.

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We are, of course, planning for public play at

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kink events. Yes. Yeah. Important caveat to provide,

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I think. because it's a slightly different thing

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isn't it if we do it do a scene at home then

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you've got certain things you take into account

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when you're planning that but there's a whole

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bunch of other stuff you need to think about

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even if what you count what you define as public

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is in a kink friendly space yeah you can't just

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necessarily rock up and do whatever you want

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everywhere yeah definitely i think that's one

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of the big considerations is always what are

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the rules and practical restrictions of the venue

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that you're going to be in yeah Yeah. And taking

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into account the fact that people are observing.

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Yeah. There will be an audience. Which we have

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very different feelings about. Yes. Yes. Very,

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very different feelings about. Usually if we

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go to an event at a club in a building, I will

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position myself with my back to the door and

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any windows that might be there in the room so

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that I don't know what's occurring behind me.

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I don't know who's watching. Whereas you, I guess

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by default, therefore, tend to be facing the

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door or the window. Often, but also that is very

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much my preference. Yeah, I like an audience.

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It adds something for me. Yeah, and that's fair.

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And I think, to be fair, I think my aversion

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to doing things... either specifically with an

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audience or where there is a risk of an audience

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because it's not like people kind of crowd around

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all the time when you're doing stuff at kink

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events yeah and it can be quite unpredictable

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as well sometimes we do some really cool stuff

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and no one stops by to watch it and i'm like

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oh yeah and then other times we're doing something

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that is it's always cool stuff but something

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that i wouldn't think would be anything particularly

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out of the ordinary to see at a kink event you

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know they could stick their heads around any

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room and see what we're getting up to and you

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end up with five or six people watching and it's

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like oh hey cool yeah yeah yeah because sometimes

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the extent of our planning is here is a bunch

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of stuff i'm going to hit you with yeah and we'll

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find a space when we get there but every now

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and again we do we do go into a little bit more

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detail yeah i think especially if it's an event

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that we can't get to as frequently like when

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we're going to events locally in our area and

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the event that we go to regularly in leeds because

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like leeds isn't right on our doorstep but it's

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easy enough to get to that we know we can be

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back next month so there's not really any kind

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of pressure it's like if we haven't put any thought

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into it's like well we'll just take some stuff

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and I'll get hit and it's awesome. But if we're

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going down to Birmingham that we do less frequently

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or when we go on our kinky camping trip that

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we are going to be talking about very soon, that

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feels like more of a special occasion. It's like,

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right, we've got to put some thought into this

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one. Put on a show. Yes, you're right. I think

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the events that we go to in Leeds, they're not

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on our doorstep. They're a couple of hours drive

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away. But then you think there are people who

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do that to get to our... local club like traveling

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on a sunday afternoon from where they live in

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the region it's a couple of hours to get to yeah

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especially if you're doing like public transport

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and stuff like that so it's yeah it it's weird

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isn't it it's 100 miles away but it doesn't feel

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like a massive bother no with with you being

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able to drive i mean it's no bother for me at

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all i just get into the car sit in the car and

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scatter plastic all over the place yeah yeah

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roll cigarettes eat things drop crumbs control

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the music yeah proper good passenger princess

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vibes yes which we love we love that for you

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um and the other thing to consider especially

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like say when we're going to birmingham to to

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go to an event like that the you've generally

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got more space to use and different spaces to

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use with different bits of equipment in them

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and different setups so you're able to do things

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that you wouldn't necessarily do at home yeah

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i mean we're lucky we've got a really good sized

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bedroom and we have some kink furniture like

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we've got the set of stocks yeah um and the box

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which we haven't used in a while we've got this

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wooden box thing that we've attached uh restraints

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to so i can be cuffed bent over the box which

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is a lot of fun yes so we've got probably a bit

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more of a proper playroom than than a lot of

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kinky people have but even for us there is always

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going to be more at a club than yeah than we

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have at home and then with outdoor events you've

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got just basically unlimited space yes and things

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like trees and mud and things like that so yeah

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yeah less less furniture yeah but different stuff

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different stuff yeah yeah and then when you go

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to somewhere like but the the place in birmingham

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they have the murder cube yes for blood play

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which we have used yes big fan of that and they

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have the room that we can't use because we're

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both too tall for it um but what they call the

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dogging room which is the like attic room that

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has a bunch of fake cars in it that you can have

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sex on in or around yes i always forget about

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that because i cannot stand up in that space

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yeah we've been up the stairs looked at it and

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gone oh yes we cannot exit the staircase and

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then gone back down yeah but if you're if you're

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a short king or short queen or short monarch

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yeah then that is the place for you Short monarch.

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There's a time and a place for the short monarchs

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and the dogging room, is it? Is it? Yes. But

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those places tend to have all different rooms

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with all different setups. Yeah. So like good,

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well -equipped dungeons, lots of space, lots

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of things to attach you to. Yeah. All of that.

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Yeah. Which makes planning exciting and fun.

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Yes. So there's like both positives and negatives,

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not even positives and negatives. There are differences

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that are exciting and differences that maybe

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present a bit more of a challenge or a limit

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when it comes to planning public play. Yeah,

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true. And you can also go a little bit more feral

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with it, can't you? So there's a bit of a limit

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on what we can do at home. Because of noise levels.

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Because of noise levels, especially sort of hitting

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you with whippy and stingy things and getting

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really consensually non -consensual about it.

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There's a... There's a point at which that would

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cause a problem. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I think

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both of us always have in the back of our heads

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when we're playing at home that we have to keep

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the noise under control, manage sort of background

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noise and things to mask things. And then when

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we're in a club, most clubs, either they've got

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really good soundproofing or they're somewhere

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really out of the way or both. And you can pretty

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much make as much noise as you want. Yes. Hurrah.

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And the ones that we go to are in really built

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up areas as well. yeah industrially type areas

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or just off town centres and stuff so yeah so

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there's enough noise elsewhere that it kind of

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covers whatever's going on in the building which

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is nice yes so you mentioned obviously when it

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comes to public play there are some things to

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consider so i thought i would talk a little bit

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about some of the things that we consider mix

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what i know really natural progression from there

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yes um so a big one i think is thinking about

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the etiquette of going into a shared space um

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it's a shared kinky space but it is a shared

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space so being respectful to other people is

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a thing that we don't have to think about at

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home apart from the noise levels like we mentioned

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we have to be considerate of the neighbors but

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we don't have to be considerate of a an audience

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who can see us and who are also trying to use

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our playroom yes um where that very much is the

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case at a kink event yeah um so a big one is

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thinking about how much space we're going to

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take up and how much time we're going to take

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sort of actual just the really practical stuff

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of use of resources yeah because when we're at

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home if we want to do a three hour scene we can

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just do that that doesn't affect anyone except

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us and we have and it was great Do the interrogation.

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Where one of the events that we go to, they actually

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have a limit on how long you can use the rooms.

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I think they ask you no more than 45 minutes,

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if I'm remembering right, Nix? Yeah, and I'm

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never sure whether that's 45 minutes plus aftercare

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or 45 minutes including aftercare. Yeah, I mean,

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I don't think they police it particularly strictly.

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We've definitely overrun by a few minutes a couple

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of times, but as a rule, that's what you're aiming

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for, is not to hog the rooms, because it's a

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big event and it's a decent -sized venue, but

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it's not got a lot of separate spaces. Yeah.

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So once you've gone... a space no one else can

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have it um so to make sure everyone gets a turn

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hopefully gets a couple of turns they ask you

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to to limit your time yeah um but thinking about

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space as well so again if at home we decide that

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we want you to hit me with every single toy that

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we've got and you want me in restraints and you

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want to drag me from room to room around the

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house and do all of this stuff you can you can

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do that we can use all of the space we have where

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if you are in a club you need to make sure that

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you're not blocking other people from using equipment

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so if you go into a shared dungeon room and they've

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got like a sex swing and they've got a saint

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andrews cross and they've got like one of those

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massage tables and you lay all of your toys out

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on the massage table attach me to the saint andrews

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cross and then you sort of sit in the sex swing

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to sit and chill for a bit yeah that's three

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pieces of equipment being used for one couple

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yeah and it's really annoying isn't it i find

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that one of the most annoying things about going

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to events is when people do kind of spread out

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yeah i try and be really conscious about it and

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trying to be try to be as space efficient as

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i can i try to be as space efficient as i can

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to the point where you know if you if you're

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on like a spanking bench or something there's

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space underneath it so i'll put the things that

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i am using underneath it on the floor rather

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than kind of spreading out and that's probably

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going a little bit too far but it does annoy

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me when i see people spreading out 75 things

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on one bit of equipment which means nobody can

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use it and then they're in another part of the

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room yeah definitely and there's times when it

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can sort of be reasonable so sometimes two pieces

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of equipment are going to be so close together

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that realistically you couldn't have people playing

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on both at a time and then using one of them

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as a table for your kit bag is fair enough but

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yeah that's something to consider when you arrive

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there but a lot of the time it's worth thinking

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about a little bit in planning if the scene you

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want to do actually does require you to use multiple

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pieces of equipment thinking about whether that's

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something that either you want to do at home

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whether you want to pre -arrange that with the

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organizers potentially if it's something sort

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of really big the organizers might be happy you

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know if you're going to have multiple people

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involved or there's audience participation going

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on to set aside some time for you to just take

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over an entire space um but it takes a little

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bit more thought and planning if you're wanting

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to do that kind of thing yeah yeah and the venues

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that we've got experience of it are usually fairly

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open to that sort of thing aren't they kind of

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making spaces available for people if they want

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to use them for specific scenes yeah some venues

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um and some events will allow you to kind of

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private hire one of the rooms while the event

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is going on so the room is just yours even though

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the event's happening in the rest of the building

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which can be a really cool way to work it sometimes

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they'll just just accommodate especially if it's

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a fairly small event they often can say yeah

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for the first hour of the event that space is

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yours to do your big scene and then yeah and

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then we'll open it up to everybody yeah um so

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that can be that can be an option um and also

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events where there is less limitation on space

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can immediately open that up to more so things

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like sort of the camping events yeah um immediately

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you tend to have a lot more space like more outdoor

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space where people can just spread out and then

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if you want to do a scene that lasts an entire

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weekend you claim your little patch of the woods

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or whatever and go for it yeah yeah yeah and

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we saw a little bit of that at camping last year

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didn't we kind of people doing like massive sprawling

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scenes across entire sections of the of the campsite

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which is pretty cool very very cool um I suppose

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something else thinking about like shared spaces

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at events or shared dungeon spaces or shared

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rooms at events. There's a, I was going to say

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it's an unwritten rule, but actually I think

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it might be a written rule at some events as

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well about first in sets the tone to a room.

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So, you know, if you go into a room and you want

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to do a really chill meditative rope scene, then

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anyone else who comes in after you is kind of

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expected to. align with that vibe yeah absolutely

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it doesn't mean they have to be doing the exact

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same thing but something that's not going to

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be disruptive and is going to fit the same sort

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of feel so someone might be doing wax and someone

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else doing rope for example and as long as neither

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of you are particularly screamy wriggly people

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those can both be pretty chill yeah but if someone

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is doing wax or rope and they're having a nice

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chill sensory time and you come in and start

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getting whipped really hard yeah it's Not going

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to be the right vibe for them. No. It doesn't

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necessarily apply as much the other way around.

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I think if you go into a room where someone's

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doing some really loud, screamy impact and you're

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cool with doing very chill, sensory or open there.

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Yeah. I don't think anyone's likely to complain

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about it. No. But you can't expect them to tone

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it down for you. No, I think, yeah, I think the

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respect kind of flows the other way then, doesn't

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it? As if you respect the tone that is set and

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accept that if you go in there, you might be

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limited. Yeah, absolutely. You go in there and

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the tone of the room is the tone of the room.

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And so you can be as chill as you like, but you're

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going to hear some screaming. Yeah. Yeah. And

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don't complain about it. Yeah. I think would

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be the thing there, isn't it? Yeah. If you want

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to do some really chill rope stuff next to a

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screaming whipping, then that is a choice that

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you've made. And that extends to a certain extent

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to events as well, I think, where the tone of

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the event is the tone of the event. Yeah. And

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it might not be as much as a... there is a strict

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rule you can't do these things here. That might

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be part of it as well. But if an event is something

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that is more chill, either because it's sort

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of pitched as something quite beginner friendly

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or because it's something that has got to focus

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on things like rope, wax, sensory impact, you

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know, the kinds of play where people are less

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likely to be screaming full force. Yeah. Then

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even if it's not explicitly against the rules,

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if you go to that event and do something really,

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really heavy, really, really loud, is that going

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to... not quite be the right fit for that event

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would that be better fit somewhere else yeah

00:16:08.299 --> 00:16:11.059
yeah yeah because some of the events we go to

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are kind of all -purpose kink events they don't

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have a particular theme or a particular vibe

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other than come along and do some kinky stuff

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um but some some events are tailored very specifically

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to a particular type of kink or a particular

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group of of kinks so you kind of have to plan

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around that if you're going to go to it And I

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suppose for those really specific events, you

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wouldn't be going to it unless you were interested

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anyway, necessarily. You would think, but I have

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encountered the public mix. I am sure there are

00:16:43.330 --> 00:16:46.649
people who see a femdom event and go, ah, yes,

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me as a male will take my female sub to this

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event and we'll have a great time. People are

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like that. Yeah, true. True. Oh, they wouldn't

00:16:55.190 --> 00:16:56.889
get in, surely. They wouldn't get in, I wouldn't

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have thought, no. But people have probably tried.

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Yeah. One of the things that we always have to

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think about when planning to play at events,

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and I touched on this at the start, is being

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aware of the rules. Yeah. I think being aware

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of rules is something that's always been quite

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a big one for us. And it was a big part of us

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starting to go to events out of area because

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the local events that happen around us, they

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do some really great events and we've had some

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really good time at them. But there are quite

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a lot of restrictions tied to the venue where

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all the events happen. And a lot of those restrictions

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were the things we like to do best. So no use

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of hammers was a really specific one. No breath

00:17:35.049 --> 00:17:38.890
play. No intentional blood play. Yeah. There

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was a few others. I can't remember because it's

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been a while since we went. But that meant when

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we were going to events with those kind of rules,

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we had to really specifically plan for what we

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were going to do. Because a lot of the things

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that weren't allowed at those events were things

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that we would just do in the middle of a scene

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without necessarily having specifically planned

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for it. Just normal stuff to us. Yeah, I think

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so. I think so. And I think there was because

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you mentioned beginner friendly events earlier

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on. And I have a bit of a bit of a thing about

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that. Yeah. In terms of where you can't do this

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here because this is a beginner friendly event.

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And it's like, well, maybe that's the perfect

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time to do it then so that the beginners can

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see how you do it. Oh, yeah, I fully agree. I

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just also think that if that's. what the organizers

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have decided is the vibe of the event and they

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are specifically describing it as beginner friendly

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and they set some expectations of what that means

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the way to challenge that is not to go in and

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beat someone bloody without talking to anyone

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about it first but i completely agree i think

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beginners should be welcome at heavy play events

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because sometimes that's what the beginners are

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specifically here for yeah this is why we are

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called don't scare the newbies because uh literally

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because we have had that said to us on some occasions

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yeah Yes, we have. So yeah, you're right. We

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found ourselves a little bit limited by some

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of the rules. Yeah. At those events. So we started

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going to events where the rules were a little

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bit more relaxed. A lot more relaxed. You know,

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the one we go to down in Birmingham is basically,

00:19:00.500 --> 00:19:02.460
don't break our stuff, don't die, don't be a

00:19:02.460 --> 00:19:07.019
dick. Yeah. I think we can cope with that. Can

00:19:07.019 --> 00:19:08.700
manage that one, yeah. As a group of rules. But

00:19:08.700 --> 00:19:10.740
yes, if you are planning a big scene at an event,

00:19:10.779 --> 00:19:12.039
you've got to make sure that it's within there.

00:19:12.970 --> 00:19:16.109
risk profile of the event and the venue yeah

00:19:16.109 --> 00:19:18.750
definitely and a good event and venue will publish

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all of that as well it'd be really clear yeah

00:19:20.769 --> 00:19:22.630
or at least be willing to chat to you about it

00:19:22.630 --> 00:19:24.369
if you ask if you're planning something and you're

00:19:24.369 --> 00:19:26.220
not sure if it's allowed or not pinging a message

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to one of the organizers they'll usually be really

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helpful um and to be fair like i definitely prefer

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going to events where the rules are more permissive

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and where we can do a lot more of the range of

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stuff we're into but it does sometimes force

00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:39.079
you to get more creative if you do have a lot

00:19:39.079 --> 00:19:41.039
of rules to kind of work within it's like okay

00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:42.900
so we can't do that so what are we going to do

00:19:42.900 --> 00:19:44.500
that creates the same feeling what are we going

00:19:44.500 --> 00:19:46.519
to do that would fill that part of the scene

00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:49.059
really nicely yeah um and it can sometimes encourage

00:19:49.059 --> 00:19:51.220
you to do some of the stuff that you maybe don't

00:19:51.220 --> 00:19:53.539
do as often so it's not all bad i think we just

00:19:53.539 --> 00:19:56.089
reached a point where we like being able to really

00:19:56.089 --> 00:19:59.190
let loose yeah so we do make you hootle most

00:19:59.190 --> 00:20:03.349
severely most severely uh with a range of nasty

00:20:03.349 --> 00:20:08.529
nasty tools um so the things that you have to

00:20:08.529 --> 00:20:11.130
sort of plan around for venues those things that

00:20:11.130 --> 00:20:13.009
can be a little bit limiting the space the time

00:20:13.009 --> 00:20:15.839
the rules but there's also big opportunities

00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:18.259
with venues again like we touched on at the start

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there's things you can get the venue that you

00:20:19.619 --> 00:20:22.819
can't get anywhere else yeah um so part of the

00:20:22.819 --> 00:20:25.480
planning for playing at an event is assuming

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that you know the venue a little bit even if

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you've not been there before again there might

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be some information on the event listing or there's

00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:32.660
things you can reasonably assume if it's an event

00:20:32.660 --> 00:20:34.920
in a swingers club they will have beds they will

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have at least some basic furniture like spanking

00:20:37.220 --> 00:20:39.900
benches yeah um so planning how you're going

00:20:39.900 --> 00:20:41.759
to make the best use of the space while you have

00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:44.900
it yeah and also Big one for me as an exhibitionist,

00:20:44.900 --> 00:20:46.559
planning how to make the most out of having an

00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:50.140
audience. Yes. In your case, maybe planning how

00:20:50.140 --> 00:20:54.299
to minimize the audience. How to mitigate the

00:20:54.299 --> 00:20:57.819
impact of the audience. Yeah. and that stuff

00:20:57.819 --> 00:20:59.380
we talk about isn't it when we're going to an

00:20:59.380 --> 00:21:01.579
event you know when we go to the event that we

00:21:01.579 --> 00:21:03.839
really like in birmingham there's a play space

00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:06.720
that is on the main dance floor in front of the

00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:08.980
bar yeah and they have several smaller dungeons

00:21:08.980 --> 00:21:10.680
off to the side so when we're planning scenes

00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:13.059
to do i'm like is that something you'd feel up

00:21:13.059 --> 00:21:14.920
to doing on the dance floor and more often than

00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:16.920
not you go can we go in the little dungeon down

00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:19.660
the stairs yeah um and then we go in the little

00:21:19.660 --> 00:21:21.579
dungeon down the stairs but every now and again

00:21:21.579 --> 00:21:23.920
you're like yeah i could handle doing that in

00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:26.099
front of a larger number of people and we Pick

00:21:26.099 --> 00:21:27.779
a spanking bench on the dance floor and do the

00:21:27.779 --> 00:21:31.140
thing. Yeah. And it's a really weird thing, that,

00:21:31.279 --> 00:21:36.940
for me. Like, when we first started going to

00:21:36.940 --> 00:21:41.160
events together, which was my first experience

00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:45.220
of going to events. Mine too. Mine too. Yes,

00:21:45.220 --> 00:21:49.059
it was. You're right. I was really nervous about,

00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:53.039
A, being in a social situation. But also, because

00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:55.299
a relatively limited number of people up to that

00:21:55.299 --> 00:21:58.180
point in my life had seen me do kinky things,

00:21:58.240 --> 00:22:00.440
I was kind of taken by the fear of, oh shit,

00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:03.140
what if I'm doing it wrong? You know, what if

00:22:03.140 --> 00:22:06.059
I go in here and I start doing what I think is

00:22:06.059 --> 00:22:08.700
perfectly normal, in kind of quotation marks,

00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:12.759
in a perfectly normal and acceptable way, and

00:22:12.759 --> 00:22:15.329
somebody comes along and says, you're doing that

00:22:15.329 --> 00:22:17.529
wrong and you're doing it so wrong i need you

00:22:17.529 --> 00:22:20.289
to leave yeah because you are a bad bad person

00:22:20.289 --> 00:22:22.690
so i think i think there's that aspect to it

00:22:22.690 --> 00:22:24.789
as well still of not because i think i'm doing

00:22:24.789 --> 00:22:26.589
it wrong but i'm worried about how it's being

00:22:26.589 --> 00:22:30.089
perceived by others i get that so kind of wanting

00:22:30.089 --> 00:22:32.130
that little bit of privacy so i'm not feeling

00:22:32.130 --> 00:22:35.730
judged and assessed yeah which is a really weird

00:22:35.730 --> 00:22:39.210
space to be in yeah i i'm surprised that still

00:22:39.210 --> 00:22:40.950
affects you as much because you have played in

00:22:40.950 --> 00:22:43.640
public so many times now that you know that you're

00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:45.559
probably not doing anything wrong or at least

00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:47.440
not so wrong that people feel the need to ask

00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:48.660
you to leave because they would have done it

00:22:48.660 --> 00:22:50.140
by now they would have done it by now i don't

00:22:50.140 --> 00:22:52.980
think it's quite so much of an issue now but

00:22:52.980 --> 00:22:54.720
i think there are probably if we do something

00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:56.759
on the dance floor then it is more likely to

00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:58.640
be something that i absolutely know that i am

00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:01.099
comfortable with and know what i'm doing and

00:23:01.099 --> 00:23:04.400
know i'm doing it right and feel confident if

00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:07.619
we decide to do something a little bit on the

00:23:07.619 --> 00:23:10.720
on the edge of that or that's a little bit heavier

00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:13.640
i'd probably which doesn't mean that I wouldn't

00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:18.680
do it, but I would feel less comfortable with

00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:20.779
it, I suppose. I'd have that little bit in the

00:23:20.779 --> 00:23:22.720
back of my head of going, I need to really concentrate

00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:24.779
and make sure I'm doing this right because blah,

00:23:24.859 --> 00:23:28.599
you know. I think that that affects you less

00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:30.880
from what I've seen as well if it's a bit more

00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:33.140
interactive with the audience. So if people are

00:23:33.140 --> 00:23:34.740
just standing watching you, I can see you get

00:23:34.740 --> 00:23:36.880
a bit nervous about it. But you've done some

00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:39.200
really advanced, quite technical stuff with an

00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:42.440
audience, but it's been... more kind of a laid

00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:45.180
back atmosphere and chatty so i'm thinking about

00:23:45.180 --> 00:23:46.900
a couple of the public waterboarding scenes that

00:23:46.900 --> 00:23:49.420
we've done the only two public waterboarding

00:23:49.420 --> 00:23:51.700
scenes that we've done in both cases we had people

00:23:51.700 --> 00:23:53.839
asking questions coming quite close and taking

00:23:53.839 --> 00:23:56.480
pictures chatting to us asking how things felt

00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:59.319
and stuff like that so it was it was more like

00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:01.000
hanging out with your friends while doing something

00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:04.660
rather than like performing yeah and i think

00:24:04.660 --> 00:24:07.279
the first time especially when we did that at

00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:10.950
the camping event that didn't feel in a weird

00:24:10.950 --> 00:24:12.849
kind of way didn't feel like a scene to me you

00:24:12.849 --> 00:24:14.430
think about doing a scene especially doing a

00:24:14.430 --> 00:24:16.009
scene in front of an audience or in a public

00:24:16.009 --> 00:24:20.089
publicly viewable space at an event you kind

00:24:20.089 --> 00:24:23.710
of get into performance mode whereas definitely

00:24:23.710 --> 00:24:25.650
the first one and to an extent the second time

00:24:25.650 --> 00:24:27.789
we did waterboarding it was yeah it didn't feel

00:24:27.789 --> 00:24:29.410
like that i was just doing something and then

00:24:29.410 --> 00:24:32.250
talking to people while we were doing it i think

00:24:32.250 --> 00:24:35.269
it didn't feel like i was being observed yeah

00:24:35.269 --> 00:24:38.059
and i think that's the thing for me I think so,

00:24:38.099 --> 00:24:39.799
yeah. If you're interacting with people, you're

00:24:39.799 --> 00:24:42.039
fine. Like you have social anxiety, but not anywhere

00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:44.559
near as much interacting with people as you do

00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:47.059
being observed. Like you say, being perceived,

00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:49.480
as you often say. You don't like being perceived.

00:24:49.660 --> 00:24:52.859
I don't like to be perceived. So that's something

00:24:52.859 --> 00:24:54.680
to factor into planning for public play. And

00:24:54.680 --> 00:24:56.680
definitely a big one for us, particularly because

00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:58.859
we're so different in that, is finding the point

00:24:58.859 --> 00:25:01.740
where you are comfortable. And I am still getting

00:25:01.740 --> 00:25:03.759
a little bit of my exhibitionist kick out of

00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:05.980
it. And a really good way of managing that, like

00:25:05.980 --> 00:25:08.339
you mentioned, is where we position ourselves

00:25:08.339 --> 00:25:10.240
in a room. So if it's a private room, but with

00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:12.380
an open door, you can put your back to the door

00:25:12.380 --> 00:25:14.079
and whoever's standing out there is none of your

00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:16.220
business. And I can be in a position where I

00:25:16.220 --> 00:25:18.799
can see the door and have a good time knowing

00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:20.180
that there's people looking in and seeing what's

00:25:20.180 --> 00:25:23.519
happening. Yeah. Yeah. And then doing the things

00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:25.420
that are within your comfort zone as publicly

00:25:25.420 --> 00:25:29.670
as you're comfortable doing them. True. very

00:25:29.670 --> 00:25:31.710
true one of the things that you're really good

00:25:31.710 --> 00:25:33.630
at with planning and that you did particularly

00:25:33.630 --> 00:25:35.990
when we first got together a lot and that you've

00:25:35.990 --> 00:25:37.890
done when you've played casually with other people

00:25:37.890 --> 00:25:39.710
i think it's it seems to be your go -to with

00:25:39.710 --> 00:25:42.009
sort of new partners particularly yeah is to

00:25:42.009 --> 00:25:44.950
do actual written outlines for scenes yeah um

00:25:44.950 --> 00:25:47.069
which i think is really cool do you want to tell

00:25:47.069 --> 00:25:49.289
me a little bit about what goes into that mix

00:25:49.289 --> 00:25:52.150
yeah um it's not something that i do a massive

00:25:52.150 --> 00:25:55.869
amount now unless it is a really big a really

00:25:55.869 --> 00:25:58.559
big scene um In thinking about this episode,

00:25:58.660 --> 00:26:00.500
I'm like, no, I should do that anyway. I should

00:26:00.500 --> 00:26:03.700
just write stuff down and go through the process

00:26:03.700 --> 00:26:08.680
of that. Because I live in a constant state of

00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:11.079
worrying that we don't do enough big set piece

00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:15.019
scenes or not doing enough spontaneous off the

00:26:15.019 --> 00:26:17.759
cuff. stuff i know because we talk about this

00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:19.579
every check -in and every check -in it's one

00:26:19.579 --> 00:26:20.819
or the other you're like we haven't done enough

00:26:20.819 --> 00:26:22.220
big scenes and i'm like yeah but you've done

00:26:22.220 --> 00:26:23.900
something little and mean to me every day for

00:26:23.900 --> 00:26:25.799
a month that's really cool and then the next

00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:28.299
month you've done like eight massive really intense

00:26:28.299 --> 00:26:30.200
scenes and you're like yeah but i haven't done

00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:32.720
anything kinky in day -to -day life yeah and

00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:34.819
both are really good those are really awesome

00:26:34.819 --> 00:26:38.180
yeah i have no complaints so yeah so i live in

00:26:38.180 --> 00:26:40.700
this constant state of of feeling like i'm not

00:26:40.700 --> 00:26:44.730
i'm not doing it right somehow And perhaps going

00:26:44.730 --> 00:26:46.750
back to using these little templates that I had

00:26:46.750 --> 00:26:50.329
would be a way out of that. Yeah. I'd have a

00:26:50.329 --> 00:26:54.250
stock of ideas. But you're right. I did it particularly

00:26:54.250 --> 00:26:56.309
when we first got together. I have also done

00:26:56.309 --> 00:26:58.569
it when I've played with other people or at least

00:26:58.569 --> 00:26:59.910
gone through the kind of the thought process.

00:27:00.130 --> 00:27:03.589
Yeah. When I've been doing it. But some of the

00:27:03.589 --> 00:27:07.190
things I will think about is what's the premise?

00:27:07.589 --> 00:27:10.460
What's the kind of. If there's a story to it

00:27:10.460 --> 00:27:13.180
or a narrative to it, what's the idea that we're

00:27:13.180 --> 00:27:19.619
exploring? And then think about, well, what do

00:27:19.619 --> 00:27:21.400
we need to do before? What's going to happen

00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:27.839
during? So when I say before, what's the lead

00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:30.539
into it? What prep do we need to do? How's the

00:27:30.539 --> 00:27:35.619
scene going to start? How are we going to get

00:27:35.619 --> 00:27:37.539
into it? And then what are the things that are

00:27:37.539 --> 00:27:40.799
going to happen during the scene itself? And

00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:45.460
then what will happen afterwards? How do we signal

00:27:45.460 --> 00:27:47.460
that the scene is over? What do we do around

00:27:47.460 --> 00:27:53.200
aftercare? And then thinking about, okay, so

00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:55.980
if there is a degree of physical risk in the

00:27:55.980 --> 00:27:59.539
scene, what things do I need to think about?

00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:04.619
So you have... You have a degree of hypermobility

00:28:04.619 --> 00:28:07.160
in some of your joints. And I've played with

00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:09.200
other people who've got quite significant hypermobility.

00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:12.180
So I have to think about that when I'm attaching

00:28:12.180 --> 00:28:14.420
them to things and throwing them about and stuff

00:28:14.420 --> 00:28:16.980
like that. So thinking about those kind of really

00:28:16.980 --> 00:28:21.460
practical things, safety things. If we're going

00:28:21.460 --> 00:28:22.859
to do something which is really going to freak

00:28:22.859 --> 00:28:25.579
out the cats, do we need to shepherd them into

00:28:25.579 --> 00:28:27.640
a different room sort of thing? Or are they going

00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:31.359
to present an active risk? Yeah. You know. So

00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:33.420
those really quite dull practical things, but

00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:35.640
really important. You often have to think about

00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:38.079
my glasses if we're doing any sort of CNC stuff,

00:28:38.180 --> 00:28:39.799
especially if you're going to surprise me. Yeah.

00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:42.019
Is making sure that either I've already taken

00:28:42.019 --> 00:28:44.720
my glasses off or you build in gently taking

00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:48.000
my glasses off into the scene. Yeah. Pointing

00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:49.700
a fake gun at me like, take your glasses off.

00:28:49.779 --> 00:28:51.440
It's like, that's really specific, but okay.

00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:57.920
Yeah. Because you like fancy frames and delicate

00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:00.059
frames. Yeah. So it's not like I can just kind

00:29:00.059 --> 00:29:02.130
of. smooch them off your face and throw them

00:29:02.130 --> 00:29:03.990
away because they weren't cheap and they're really

00:29:03.990 --> 00:29:08.150
nice last night you slapped one of my earrings

00:29:08.150 --> 00:29:10.130
across the room as well no you didn't because

00:29:10.130 --> 00:29:11.609
you didn't even slap me i don't know how you

00:29:11.609 --> 00:29:13.089
threw one of my earrings across the room i was

00:29:13.089 --> 00:29:15.349
gonna say i didn't do that at all how did my

00:29:15.349 --> 00:29:17.049
earring end up on the opposite side of the room

00:29:17.049 --> 00:29:19.970
mix that's what confuses me i genuinely don't

00:29:19.970 --> 00:29:22.309
know but it was several feet away in a corner

00:29:22.309 --> 00:29:25.359
yeah But no, I'm not allowed to slap you at the

00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:27.779
minute. No, I have some fresh filler settling

00:29:27.779 --> 00:29:30.160
in my face. We're recording this in June after

00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:32.900
I just got my cheeks and my chin done and I can't

00:29:32.900 --> 00:29:36.279
be slapped for four weeks. Yeah. Which is hilarious

00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:40.019
because that's your go -to. Yeah, I really like

00:29:40.019 --> 00:29:42.119
doing it. Yeah, so God knows how you managed

00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:43.539
to knock one of my earrings all the way across

00:29:43.539 --> 00:29:46.819
the room. No. I mean, I wasn't gentle with you,

00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:50.160
I suppose. Kind of momentum, possibly. But anyway.

00:29:50.539 --> 00:29:52.059
So that's the kind of structure that I approach

00:29:52.059 --> 00:29:54.960
to it. And if you write it out, you tend to get

00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:58.519
more ideas as you're going. Yeah. You know, kind

00:29:58.519 --> 00:29:59.980
of, oh, yeah, I could do that. Oh, yeah, I could

00:29:59.980 --> 00:30:02.019
do that. But it also flags up stuff that you've

00:30:02.019 --> 00:30:04.539
got to really think about. Yeah. And if it's

00:30:04.539 --> 00:30:06.079
something that we're planning together or that

00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:07.700
you're planning, but that I'm going to know all

00:30:07.700 --> 00:30:09.319
the details of and I'm not going to be surprised

00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:11.680
by any elements of it, like getting to read those

00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:14.259
is or getting to help you put them together is

00:30:14.259 --> 00:30:16.789
really fun. It can be really hot. getting one

00:30:16.789 --> 00:30:17.890
of those through there's been a couple of times

00:30:17.890 --> 00:30:19.910
where you've sent me one and i'm sitting there

00:30:19.910 --> 00:30:22.450
like sweating reading it like yes i want this

00:30:22.450 --> 00:30:24.710
to happen to me um but that also gives me the

00:30:24.710 --> 00:30:26.750
opportunity to say what have you had this in

00:30:26.750 --> 00:30:29.829
or actually no i don't like that yeah yeah or

00:30:29.829 --> 00:30:34.029
be wary of this yeah that sort of thing um so

00:30:34.029 --> 00:30:35.990
it's a really handy way of thinking through a

00:30:35.990 --> 00:30:39.650
scene and it and it can be dead helpful especially

00:30:39.650 --> 00:30:41.430
if you're planning on doing something at a play

00:30:41.430 --> 00:30:43.950
event or a venue yeah you know kind of forcing

00:30:43.950 --> 00:30:46.019
you to think about the practicalities of it so

00:30:46.019 --> 00:30:47.500
what type of room do you want what furniture

00:30:47.500 --> 00:30:49.319
do we need so where in the building do we need

00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:51.420
to be heading for so some of the things that

00:30:51.420 --> 00:30:53.819
we've done at play events have been things that

00:30:53.819 --> 00:30:55.359
we would have just done at home but some of the

00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:57.319
things we've planned for play events have been

00:30:57.319 --> 00:30:59.440
things that really would have only worked or

00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:01.819
would have only worked as well as they did yeah

00:31:01.819 --> 00:31:03.759
at play events yeah i thought we'd talk about

00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:06.140
a few of those yeah first one i would probably

00:31:06.140 --> 00:31:07.799
mentioned all of these on the podcast at some

00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:11.099
point but one that was really great was the taylor

00:31:11.099 --> 00:31:15.210
swift trivia quiz yes that was a lot of fun the

00:31:15.210 --> 00:31:18.890
plan for that was that you well i i got a taylor

00:31:18.890 --> 00:31:21.990
swift quiz book for christmas and we immediately

00:31:21.990 --> 00:31:24.250
i don't remember whose idea it was but i think

00:31:24.250 --> 00:31:26.450
just spontaneously both of us realized we could

00:31:26.450 --> 00:31:29.150
use that for a scene yeah um where you were gonna

00:31:29.150 --> 00:31:31.549
go through the book asking me questions and if

00:31:31.549 --> 00:31:33.230
i got a question right i got hit with something

00:31:33.230 --> 00:31:35.250
i liked and if i got a question wrong i got hit

00:31:35.250 --> 00:31:39.309
with something i didn't like yeah and i can't

00:31:39.309 --> 00:31:42.579
remember if there was like a penalty if i had

00:31:42.579 --> 00:31:45.000
to use the multiple choices or if i had those

00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.680
we had a few extra rules to it i think we i think

00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:53.259
there were some um general rules about kind of

00:31:53.259 --> 00:31:55.019
the amount of time that you could take to answer

00:31:55.019 --> 00:31:57.500
a question and and yeah there are a couple of

00:31:57.500 --> 00:31:59.359
multi -choice ones in there and i didn't give

00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:02.339
you the multi -choice to begin with yeah and

00:32:02.339 --> 00:32:04.019
if you were struggling i would give you the options

00:32:04.019 --> 00:32:07.920
because you are a massive swifty so i kind of

00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:09.619
went into it going no if you don't know the answer

00:32:09.619 --> 00:32:14.180
then you're a shit swifty yeah and that was one

00:32:14.180 --> 00:32:16.160
that would have been lots of fun to do at home

00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:18.160
like a really fun light -hearted giggly scene

00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:20.259
but it was really heightened by the fact that

00:32:20.259 --> 00:32:22.559
it did gather quite an audience yeah and i think

00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:24.299
an audience you were quite comfortable with because

00:32:24.299 --> 00:32:27.970
it was a a bit of a sillier lighter scene in

00:32:27.970 --> 00:32:30.089
terms of the vibe and you were doing stuff that

00:32:30.089 --> 00:32:31.990
you were very very confident with you were just

00:32:31.990 --> 00:32:34.109
hitting me with stuff and by that point you hit

00:32:34.109 --> 00:32:35.910
me with enough stuff in public enough times to

00:32:35.910 --> 00:32:37.990
know you were doing it right yeah and because

00:32:37.990 --> 00:32:39.289
it was an event that we were going to really

00:32:39.289 --> 00:32:41.849
regularly we knew or at least sort of vaguely

00:32:41.849 --> 00:32:44.569
knew everyone who was watching um it didn't seem

00:32:44.569 --> 00:32:47.039
like you got too nervous about that no and there

00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:49.880
was quite a lot of not exactly audience participation

00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.339
but sort of audience interaction people kind

00:32:52.339 --> 00:32:54.599
of cheering when i got stuff right or laughing

00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:56.259
if i got something wrong or was struggling with

00:32:56.259 --> 00:32:58.440
something and it was like a very friendly vibe

00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:00.779
and that was a scene that was definitely way

00:33:00.779 --> 00:33:02.859
more fun for having done it in public than if

00:33:02.859 --> 00:33:04.859
we just yeah sat down with our quiz book at home

00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:07.359
yeah no i agree I agree. It was a really fun

00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:09.799
thing to do. I was a little bit surprised it

00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:11.960
got as much attention as it did, to be fair.

00:33:12.099 --> 00:33:13.759
I think people just wanted to learn stuff about

00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:16.299
Taylor Swift, mate. Yeah. Because like you've

00:33:16.299 --> 00:33:19.940
mentioned earlier on, there's been stuff we've

00:33:19.940 --> 00:33:22.400
done where we've really thought about it and

00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.980
it's not something we do on a really regular

00:33:24.980 --> 00:33:28.000
basis. And it's just been the two of us in a

00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:30.900
space. And no one's kind of walked past or seen

00:33:30.900 --> 00:33:33.039
it or anything. And then there's others where...

00:33:34.059 --> 00:33:36.119
I'm just hitting you with stuff and we attract

00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:40.579
a crowd. And I think I put that into that category

00:33:40.579 --> 00:33:43.640
for me because it was like, well, I spend five

00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:47.019
minutes talking to you and then I hit you for

00:33:47.019 --> 00:33:48.799
a couple of minutes and then I spend another

00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:51.900
five minutes talking to you, kind of thing. So

00:33:51.900 --> 00:33:56.279
as a spectacle, I wasn't expecting it to attract

00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:58.400
a lot of interest, but there was a good few people.

00:33:59.270 --> 00:34:00.789
kind of having a look weren't they which was

00:34:00.789 --> 00:34:03.309
which was nice yeah like you say it really added

00:34:03.309 --> 00:34:05.950
to it i was a bit surprised i wasn't i thought

00:34:05.950 --> 00:34:07.809
that would be quite a popular one because it's

00:34:07.809 --> 00:34:09.329
a bit different like yeah you were just hitting

00:34:09.329 --> 00:34:12.150
me with stuff but we were doing something that

00:34:12.460 --> 00:34:13.840
Like, when was the last time you saw someone

00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:15.719
doing a Taylor Swift trivia quiz in a dungeon?

00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:17.860
Yeah. People aren't going to have seen it before,

00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:19.920
probably. And that immediately gets people's

00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.059
attention. And I think people like stuff that's

00:34:22.059 --> 00:34:24.079
funny. I think when you're watching stuff at

00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:26.119
a kink event, you sometimes feel like a bit of

00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:27.860
a weird pervert. And that's kind of the point.

00:34:27.980 --> 00:34:29.460
Like, we're allowed. As long as you're not, like,

00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:31.900
standing there wanking in the corner, it's fine.

00:34:33.380 --> 00:34:35.619
But if you're watching a really sort of serious,

00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:38.460
heavy scene, you can sometimes feel like you're

00:34:38.460 --> 00:34:41.320
intruding, even when you're not. Where... With

00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:43.239
something that is meant to be quite light and

00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.059
silly and giggly and the people doing it are

00:34:45.059 --> 00:34:47.280
getting the giggles. Yeah. And you can laugh

00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:49.480
at it as well because it's funny. Then it feels

00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:51.920
like a more social thing and you feel like you've

00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:53.699
got a better reason to be there. For me, at least.

00:34:53.699 --> 00:34:55.739
Maybe I'm just really self -conscious. But I

00:34:55.739 --> 00:34:59.360
always wonder if people want an audience if they're

00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:01.199
doing something very serious. And probably they

00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:03.340
do. Like, a lot of people are just like me. They

00:35:03.340 --> 00:35:07.039
really like an audience. But it feels more like

00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:10.019
the circle is half open if people are doing something

00:35:10.019 --> 00:35:13.619
giggly. Yeah, I think you're right. Every now

00:35:13.619 --> 00:35:15.380
and again, if you're looking for a room in a

00:35:15.380 --> 00:35:16.960
venue or something like that and you end up watching

00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:18.780
something and you do kind of have that feeling

00:35:18.780 --> 00:35:20.579
a little bit of going, this is really intense

00:35:20.579 --> 00:35:26.099
and quite intimate and the person on the receiving

00:35:26.099 --> 00:35:28.300
end might be having a great time, but they also

00:35:28.300 --> 00:35:29.780
look like they're having a really hard time.

00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:31.920
Yeah. So kind of standing and watching it feels

00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:37.519
a little bit invasive. Yeah. But yeah, the silly

00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:41.539
stuff is always a good fun to... to see yeah

00:35:41.539 --> 00:35:44.199
and we've seen people do sort of quiz based scenes

00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:46.480
before never with taylor swift we are the only

00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:48.940
ones we know of um but we've seen a couple of

00:35:48.940 --> 00:35:50.719
sort of quiz based scenes before that were really

00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:53.760
fun like group quizzes and stuff that are just

00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:56.400
super entertaining to watch so yeah i think that's

00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:58.019
why i thought it would probably do quite well

00:35:58.019 --> 00:36:02.079
yeah uh what else what else have we got Another

00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:04.840
one that was completely reliant on it being an

00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.880
event mix was the day at camping last year where

00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:11.820
I had a speech restriction. Yes. And I had to...

00:36:12.269 --> 00:36:15.570
walk around we went to a couple of workshops

00:36:15.570 --> 00:36:17.829
we watched some of our friends play we played

00:36:17.829 --> 00:36:21.329
ourselves we hung out and chatted to people for

00:36:21.329 --> 00:36:23.550
hours and hours and hours spent a full day where

00:36:23.550 --> 00:36:25.030
i had a speech restriction where i could only

00:36:25.030 --> 00:36:28.829
use two syllable words yeah um so that word bits

00:36:28.829 --> 00:36:32.369
word bits two word bits um so that immediately

00:36:32.369 --> 00:36:34.769
relied on there being a lot of people there because

00:36:34.769 --> 00:36:36.769
we wanted me to have to interact with a lot of

00:36:36.769 --> 00:36:38.570
people we could have just done that the two of

00:36:38.570 --> 00:36:41.559
us but we you know we're chatty people that's

00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:43.360
why we have a podcast but we do spend good chunks

00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.059
of time just sitting and staring at the tv or

00:36:45.059 --> 00:36:47.940
staring at our phones usually both um if you're

00:36:47.940 --> 00:36:49.500
at a big group event and you're there all day

00:36:49.500 --> 00:36:51.900
you're gonna do a lot more talking so it was

00:36:51.900 --> 00:36:53.900
a lot more easier for me to get caught out yeah

00:36:53.900 --> 00:36:57.699
plus we had a um whiteboard hanging around my

00:36:57.699 --> 00:37:00.820
neck saying what the rules were and a sharpie

00:37:00.820 --> 00:37:02.579
attached to it so that people could put tallies

00:37:02.579 --> 00:37:06.030
on me yeah uh if i if i fucked up so it wasn't

00:37:06.030 --> 00:37:07.889
just you keeping track it was other people coming

00:37:07.889 --> 00:37:10.309
chatting to me often trying to trip me up on

00:37:10.309 --> 00:37:12.309
purpose yeah and then when i said a word that

00:37:12.309 --> 00:37:14.309
was too long putting a tally on my arm to keep

00:37:14.309 --> 00:37:16.750
track of how many times i'd screwed up yeah um

00:37:16.750 --> 00:37:19.050
and that was the other thing that was great about

00:37:19.050 --> 00:37:20.730
it being interactive is people trying to trip

00:37:20.730 --> 00:37:23.190
me up especially all of the brats all of the

00:37:23.190 --> 00:37:26.090
brats just wanted me to be in trouble um everyone

00:37:26.090 --> 00:37:27.690
that we were interacting with who was a brat

00:37:27.690 --> 00:37:31.940
was asking me like trick questions and snitching

00:37:31.940 --> 00:37:34.980
on me to you if i slipped up and fully trying

00:37:34.980 --> 00:37:37.079
to get me in as much bother as possible yeah

00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:39.800
because obviously that was the um the day that

00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:42.519
then led to the the unhinged whipping the next

00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.460
day yeah where for a where for every tally i'd

00:37:45.460 --> 00:37:47.460
got for using a word that was too long i got

00:37:47.460 --> 00:37:49.719
hit once full force with the whip and ended up

00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:54.420
with 65 of them yes oof oof but that was really

00:37:54.420 --> 00:37:56.659
fun and that was something that that you came

00:37:56.659 --> 00:37:59.559
up with and planned very specifically for that

00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:01.699
kind of event not just for any event but for

00:38:01.699 --> 00:38:03.119
an event where we were going to have the full

00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:05.500
day of interacting with people literally from

00:38:05.500 --> 00:38:06.780
first thing in the morning because as soon as

00:38:06.780 --> 00:38:08.800
we came out the tent it was like a shared toilet

00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:11.880
block um like we were sitting outside the tent

00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:13.320
right next to another tent with people that we

00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:15.019
knew a little bit and it like i was going to

00:38:15.019 --> 00:38:16.840
be talking to people from when i woke up until

00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:20.059
i went to sleep yeah so it's a perfect event

00:38:20.059 --> 00:38:22.440
to do that for yeah yeah um and we've done that

00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:24.440
that twice the speech restriction thing we did

00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:27.360
it at an event in birmingham before that which

00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:29.119
was just for an evening. And that was really

00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:31.340
fun. And again, it's, you know, part of the challenge

00:38:31.340 --> 00:38:33.619
of it was interacting with lots of people, trying

00:38:33.619 --> 00:38:35.400
to remember the rules after we'd played a couple

00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:37.960
of times and my brain was all floaty. But that

00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:40.119
was a bit more low key because it was a shorter

00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:42.360
event. And also because there wasn't a major

00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:44.420
consequence to it. Every time I did use a word

00:38:44.420 --> 00:38:46.360
that was too long, you hit me really hard with

00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:48.559
something. You carried a nasty, slappy toy around

00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:50.780
to hit me through the evening. But it was one.

00:38:51.179 --> 00:38:53.300
slip up one hit and then a little break before

00:38:53.300 --> 00:38:55.199
i had to take another one yeah where when we

00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:57.820
did it camping the the consequences all all came

00:38:57.820 --> 00:39:00.139
at once yes they did and another one that was

00:39:00.139 --> 00:39:02.000
very much planned for an event was my birthday

00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:03.940
scene that we talked about in the blood play

00:39:03.940 --> 00:39:07.800
episode um where we went to the event in birmingham

00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:09.699
that we keep mentioning over and over again because

00:39:09.699 --> 00:39:12.000
it's so fucking good um and they have what's

00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.400
called the murder cube which is basically a plastic

00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:17.170
wrapped gazebo um so that we can do blood play

00:39:17.170 --> 00:39:18.949
so that anyone at the event can do blood play

00:39:18.949 --> 00:39:21.369
without making a mess of the nice furniture and

00:39:21.369 --> 00:39:23.710
the nice floors and the nice people around them

00:39:23.710 --> 00:39:26.289
yes um things can get a little bit splashy in

00:39:26.289 --> 00:39:28.090
there without any problems and then it's easy

00:39:28.090 --> 00:39:31.190
to clean up afterwards um and we do that at home

00:39:31.190 --> 00:39:34.389
we do that at home quite a bit but at home without

00:39:34.389 --> 00:39:37.110
a plastic wrapped gazebo without the gazebo yeah

00:39:37.110 --> 00:39:39.050
so at home we do put some plastic sheeting down

00:39:39.050 --> 00:39:40.789
but inevitably it does get on things that we

00:39:40.789 --> 00:39:43.250
didn't intend it to so at home there's more setup

00:39:43.250 --> 00:39:45.550
and more cleanup we obviously did did help with

00:39:45.550 --> 00:39:47.110
the cleanup at the event but they'd already got

00:39:47.110 --> 00:39:49.050
the gazebo set up for us when we got there yeah

00:39:49.050 --> 00:39:51.110
and they do a full clean down of it themselves

00:39:51.110 --> 00:39:53.449
after so they just ask you to deal with the the

00:39:53.449 --> 00:39:55.670
splashes basically so it's a little bit easier

00:39:55.670 --> 00:40:00.110
um but also that was something that we were doing

00:40:00.110 --> 00:40:03.480
36 hits with each of the spiky toys that we'd

00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:05.719
taken on different parts of my body getting me

00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:08.460
to count them out loud yeah and i found that

00:40:08.460 --> 00:40:11.219
just so much more fun because that gathered quite

00:40:11.219 --> 00:40:13.880
a big crowd and became very interactive where

00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:15.900
people were counting along with me at one point

00:40:15.900 --> 00:40:17.420
people started accusing me of having skipped

00:40:17.420 --> 00:40:20.039
a number which i still swear i did not but the

00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:23.460
entire audience was sure that i had um there

00:40:23.460 --> 00:40:25.860
was the big sort of like oh that everyone did

00:40:25.860 --> 00:40:28.880
when you picked up the spiky bats like it just

00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:31.710
it felt kind of like being in a pantomime yeah

00:40:31.710 --> 00:40:34.730
honestly but like in a really good way yeah no

00:40:34.730 --> 00:40:37.289
it was a really fun scene and weirdly that was

00:40:37.289 --> 00:40:40.750
one given what we were doing you know hitting

00:40:40.750 --> 00:40:44.989
you with spiky things is is not something to

00:40:44.989 --> 00:40:47.949
do lightly no and and you know if you are starting

00:40:47.949 --> 00:40:53.469
out with with with doing impact maybe not a spiked

00:40:53.469 --> 00:40:58.210
baseball bat you know or And if you're starting

00:40:58.210 --> 00:41:00.809
out doing impact, maybe don't start with a baseball

00:41:00.809 --> 00:41:03.670
bat with acupressure discs screwed into it. Maybe

00:41:03.670 --> 00:41:07.550
not the first thing you do, no. No. So in theory,

00:41:07.570 --> 00:41:08.809
that is the kind of thing where I would have

00:41:08.809 --> 00:41:10.449
been a little bit kind of antsy about doing that

00:41:10.449 --> 00:41:13.269
in front of a big crowd. But actually, it felt

00:41:13.269 --> 00:41:18.570
fine. Yeah. I had the usual nerves of doing it

00:41:18.570 --> 00:41:22.030
in front of a crowd because I always do. But

00:41:22.030 --> 00:41:25.989
it didn't feel... like uncomfy. I think partly

00:41:25.989 --> 00:41:27.530
because we knew a couple of people who were watching

00:41:27.530 --> 00:41:30.550
and they brought their pals. You go, hey, you

00:41:30.550 --> 00:41:32.650
want to come and see? You want to come and see

00:41:32.650 --> 00:41:36.550
this? But because it was quite interactive as

00:41:36.550 --> 00:41:39.190
well. Yeah. It was like, you know, I think I

00:41:39.190 --> 00:41:41.630
started off, I had a black short sleeve shirt

00:41:41.630 --> 00:41:45.050
on with a white vest underneath it and the shirt

00:41:45.050 --> 00:41:49.130
was annoying me. So I took my shirt off and everybody

00:41:49.130 --> 00:41:51.090
was like, well, that was a mistake, wasn't it?

00:41:51.510 --> 00:41:54.210
You're going to get blood all over that. yeah

00:41:54.210 --> 00:41:57.409
that'd be fine and you did and i did obviously

00:41:57.409 --> 00:42:01.929
i did i knew i would but um yeah that bit of

00:42:01.929 --> 00:42:04.530
interaction was i think made it really fun yeah

00:42:04.530 --> 00:42:06.510
it's like a birthday party like a really fucked

00:42:06.510 --> 00:42:08.829
up birthday party as well as hitting you with

00:42:08.829 --> 00:42:12.530
a whole bunch of spiky things yeah hundreds of

00:42:12.530 --> 00:42:14.849
times always a good time because it was what

00:42:14.849 --> 00:42:18.469
six seven six six areas makes yeah we had the

00:42:18.469 --> 00:42:19.829
problem with the maths when we talked about this

00:42:19.829 --> 00:42:23.230
on the blood play episode I think it's 200 and

00:42:23.230 --> 00:42:26.530
something. Yeah, a lot. Six times 36, I think

00:42:26.530 --> 00:42:28.349
it's 200 and something. But I'm not getting the

00:42:28.349 --> 00:42:30.030
calculator out this episode. I've done that before.

00:42:30.670 --> 00:42:33.090
If you want to know exactly how many it is, go

00:42:33.090 --> 00:42:35.210
listen to the Bloodplay episode. Or do your own

00:42:35.210 --> 00:42:38.150
maths. Do your own maths, yeah. But yeah, that

00:42:38.150 --> 00:42:41.349
was a really fun, really fun tea. Yeah. We had

00:42:41.349 --> 00:42:43.130
to contact the venue ahead of time to say, can

00:42:43.130 --> 00:42:46.170
we do this? And they said, yes. And they set

00:42:46.170 --> 00:42:49.710
it all up for us. We also got a good grade on...

00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.019
uh cleaning up yeah they said it was the cleanest

00:42:52.019 --> 00:42:54.739
it had ever been left yeah so we did a good job

00:42:54.739 --> 00:42:58.699
yeah so we are now into the uncharted territory

00:42:58.699 --> 00:43:02.099
of podcasting entirely without an outline yes

00:43:02.099 --> 00:43:04.880
terrifying because we are going to start planning

00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:07.099
for what we're going to be doing at our kinky

00:43:07.099 --> 00:43:09.840
camping trip that we are going on this year i

00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:14.349
am so excited for it it is i'm working out how

00:43:14.349 --> 00:43:17.090
many days it is wednesday thursday friday saturday

00:43:17.090 --> 00:43:19.590
sunday but we arrive on the wednesday morning

00:43:19.590 --> 00:43:22.510
like mid -morning and we'll be leaving by lunchtime

00:43:22.510 --> 00:43:25.010
on sunday so we've got we've got three full days

00:43:25.010 --> 00:43:29.469
to fill with as much horrifying violence as we

00:43:29.469 --> 00:43:33.449
um but definitely some time to play on the wednesday

00:43:33.449 --> 00:43:35.630
and theoretically people do play on the sunday

00:43:35.630 --> 00:43:38.929
morning we intended to last year and were dead

00:43:38.929 --> 00:43:42.090
by sunday so my suggestion this year is that

00:43:42.090 --> 00:43:44.909
we don't plan anything specific for sunday morning

00:43:44.909 --> 00:43:46.869
that is my first suggestion for planning for

00:43:46.869 --> 00:43:49.369
this yeah that's probably wise take plenty of

00:43:49.369 --> 00:43:51.050
stuff with us there's always things we can do

00:43:51.050 --> 00:43:53.170
you can always just hit me with some stuff yeah

00:43:53.170 --> 00:43:56.570
but we don't have a special scene planned for

00:43:56.570 --> 00:43:58.429
Sunday because then we'll be a little bit disappointed

00:43:58.429 --> 00:44:01.449
if we don't get to do it yeah I think so and

00:44:01.449 --> 00:44:03.050
it was perfectly sensible that we didn't do anything

00:44:03.050 --> 00:44:05.070
on the Sunday but it did mean that we didn't

00:44:05.070 --> 00:44:07.090
get all of the stuff done yeah and we've been

00:44:07.090 --> 00:44:10.210
saving bloody impact for the Sunday because um

00:44:10.210 --> 00:44:12.989
we didn't want me to have any kind of like wounds

00:44:12.989 --> 00:44:14.789
healing they're only tiny little wounds but still

00:44:14.789 --> 00:44:16.170
didn't want any wounds healing for the other

00:44:16.170 --> 00:44:18.409
things we got planned so it was a sensible order

00:44:18.409 --> 00:44:20.469
but by saving it for the sunday it meant that

00:44:20.469 --> 00:44:22.849
actually we just weren't neither of us were were

00:44:22.849 --> 00:44:24.969
up to it and that meant that we went to one of

00:44:24.969 --> 00:44:27.849
the very few events where you can do almost completely

00:44:27.849 --> 00:44:29.849
unrestricted blood play and did no blood play

00:44:29.849 --> 00:44:32.969
which felt like a yes a missed opportunity yes

00:44:32.969 --> 00:44:38.070
which we should fix this year definitely um so

00:44:38.070 --> 00:44:40.130
that's my first suggestion for a scene which

00:44:40.130 --> 00:44:43.369
is pretty straightforward To plan. Yep. We'll

00:44:43.369 --> 00:44:44.889
take some spiky things and I will hit you with

00:44:44.889 --> 00:44:46.829
them. That sounds like a very good plan, Mix.

00:44:47.030 --> 00:44:49.170
Yeah. It seems like the kind of thing that you

00:44:49.170 --> 00:44:52.909
would want to do as publicly as possible. Yes,

00:44:52.909 --> 00:44:56.280
Mix. so i don't want to reveal too much of the

00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:58.300
layout of the venue because then that might give

00:44:58.300 --> 00:45:00.860
away the venue but there are areas where during

00:45:00.860 --> 00:45:02.780
the day people tend to really gather quite close

00:45:02.780 --> 00:45:04.699
together yeah and i would say probably not there

00:45:04.699 --> 00:45:06.420
because some people you know it's a heavy play

00:45:06.420 --> 00:45:08.139
encouraged event but some people might not want

00:45:08.139 --> 00:45:09.980
to be sitting down having their lunch 10 feet

00:45:09.980 --> 00:45:12.699
away from someone covered in blood yeah um but

00:45:12.699 --> 00:45:14.679
not hidden away somewhere in the woods either

00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:16.820
not sort of tucked away as far from people as

00:45:16.820 --> 00:45:20.139
we can get kind of a little bit out of the very

00:45:20.139 --> 00:45:23.130
central area but within sort of distance view

00:45:23.130 --> 00:45:24.949
of the central area so if people want to toddle

00:45:24.949 --> 00:45:26.489
over they can have a look. That would probably

00:45:26.489 --> 00:45:30.030
be my suggestion. Yeah. We'll have to explore

00:45:30.030 --> 00:45:31.730
when we get there and figure out which is going

00:45:31.730 --> 00:45:35.150
to be the one. That might be a task for Wednesday

00:45:35.150 --> 00:45:38.389
when we've got the tent set up. Yeah. It's to

00:45:38.389 --> 00:45:41.570
grab a map and go wandering. Yeah. Yeah and like

00:45:41.570 --> 00:45:43.349
pick our locations in advance. So we'll need

00:45:43.349 --> 00:45:46.869
some plastic sheet. Yep. To put down because

00:45:46.869 --> 00:45:49.210
although it is outside we do not want to leave.

00:45:50.339 --> 00:45:53.340
We would leave stuff behind. No. Leave bits of

00:45:53.340 --> 00:45:56.179
you behind. Especially if it's a really nice

00:45:56.179 --> 00:45:58.139
dry sunny weekend like it was last year. The

00:45:58.139 --> 00:46:02.679
blood won't go anywhere. No. We'll need a towel,

00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:04.179
a spare towel as well then, won't we probably?

00:46:04.539 --> 00:46:07.719
Yeah, mix. Yeah. And I'll need some comfy dark

00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:09.679
clothes to chuck on for a bit afterwards until

00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:12.199
the bleeding stops. And we'll need to take spiky

00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:15.539
toys. Spiky toys. I want to have the first aid

00:46:15.539 --> 00:46:17.199
kit anyway. We need to top up the first aid kit.

00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:20.170
Yep. We'll restock that before we go. And we

00:46:20.170 --> 00:46:21.630
probably don't need to plan a lot of detail for

00:46:21.630 --> 00:46:22.969
how that's going to go because I imagine this

00:46:22.969 --> 00:46:24.929
isn't going to be, there's no big narrative arc

00:46:24.929 --> 00:46:26.929
to this. We're just, I'm taking my clothes off

00:46:26.929 --> 00:46:28.050
and you're hitting me with stuff until we've

00:46:28.050 --> 00:46:31.190
had enough of it. Yeah, I think so. I think so.

00:46:31.269 --> 00:46:33.510
And I think we've got, we've done that enough

00:46:33.510 --> 00:46:36.369
now that we kind of know how to escalate that.

00:46:36.550 --> 00:46:40.070
Yeah. So we'll take the space permitting, I suppose.

00:46:40.110 --> 00:46:43.469
That's something we'll need to think about. Assuming

00:46:43.469 --> 00:46:46.889
the space will take the spiky baseball bat. But

00:46:46.889 --> 00:46:48.869
I won't start with that. Yeah. Because it would

00:46:48.869 --> 00:46:51.230
be silly. to start with that that's a that's

00:46:51.230 --> 00:46:55.329
a finisher that's an end of scene yeah um sort

00:46:55.329 --> 00:46:58.809
of thing um cool so that's one scene done yeah

00:46:58.809 --> 00:47:01.829
amazing i think once we've got an idea of all

00:47:01.829 --> 00:47:03.510
the things we want to do we can think more about

00:47:03.510 --> 00:47:05.170
an order but i still think blood should come

00:47:05.170 --> 00:47:07.809
near the end of the weekend um just so that it

00:47:07.809 --> 00:47:09.210
doesn't limit other things that we might want

00:47:09.210 --> 00:47:12.030
to do yeah um but given that i know we've both

00:47:12.030 --> 00:47:15.030
got a very big very intense scene in mind we

00:47:15.030 --> 00:47:18.309
might not want to do anything after that so blood

00:47:18.309 --> 00:47:20.469
might end up slipping in before that in the order

00:47:20.469 --> 00:47:22.269
but we'll see what else we've got when we've

00:47:22.269 --> 00:47:24.289
when we've got it so let's see how many ideas

00:47:24.289 --> 00:47:26.769
we have between us but i will i will pitch you

00:47:26.769 --> 00:47:30.389
one now okay i would like to do some pig play

00:47:30.389 --> 00:47:35.130
in the mud mix that was on my list as well we

00:47:35.130 --> 00:47:38.829
are we are so compatible yeah But this is something

00:47:38.829 --> 00:47:40.389
that I've been really thinking about since last

00:47:40.389 --> 00:47:43.809
year because you've been calling me pig as degradation

00:47:43.809 --> 00:47:47.889
for a while and feeling like I am being treated

00:47:47.889 --> 00:47:50.150
like a pig rather than acting like a pig as in

00:47:50.150 --> 00:47:52.860
the literal animal. is really hot to me but i've

00:47:52.860 --> 00:47:55.579
never been interested in pet play and i didn't

00:47:55.579 --> 00:47:59.079
think i wanted to sort of do pig play until i

00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:01.760
saw people doing it at camping yeah we saw an

00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:04.239
incredible scene last year of someone having

00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:07.340
like cuts of meat marked out on their body um

00:48:07.340 --> 00:48:10.219
and and various other things i'm not gonna go

00:48:10.219 --> 00:48:11.840
into loads of detail about someone else's play

00:48:11.840 --> 00:48:13.960
but i saw that and i was like yeah i want that

00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:17.739
yeah um so like being forced you know like forced

00:48:17.739 --> 00:48:19.639
but definitely having a good time with it to

00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:21.980
roll around in mud and get really really grimy

00:48:21.980 --> 00:48:25.820
and being your dirty pig yeah please me very

00:48:25.820 --> 00:48:29.360
much yeah so this is one where where actually

00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:31.619
a little bit of a premise might be helpful because

00:48:31.619 --> 00:48:33.400
there's a version of that where you are just

00:48:33.400 --> 00:48:36.480
enjoying being a pig in and splashing around

00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:40.179
in mud and my role in that is kind of supportive

00:48:40.179 --> 00:48:43.840
yeah like oh yes you are a almost getting into

00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:48.619
kind of pet play territory of I'm going to treat

00:48:48.619 --> 00:48:51.340
you like a pig, but a pig that I care for. A

00:48:51.340 --> 00:48:53.239
good pig. A good pig. So I might put you on a

00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:55.119
leash and kind of you'll scramble about on the

00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:58.260
floor and snuffle and roll around in mud and

00:48:58.260 --> 00:49:01.360
stuff like that. Or are you wanting it to be

00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:03.300
you are a dirty, disgusting pig and you belong

00:49:03.300 --> 00:49:06.820
in the shit? I feel like probably the second

00:49:06.820 --> 00:49:08.480
one makes, but also the first one sounds really

00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:12.219
sweet. And I don't know. I don't know. That is

00:49:12.219 --> 00:49:14.019
the truth because I kind of want to be your good

00:49:14.019 --> 00:49:15.960
pig, but also I want to be a dirty, disgusting

00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:19.940
pig rolling around. Yeah. Not in the shit, but.

00:49:20.500 --> 00:49:24.500
Yeah. If you're rolling around in the mud, it's

00:49:24.500 --> 00:49:30.539
liquid and it's brown. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah.

00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:32.639
How do you want to. Maybe a little of both. You

00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:36.019
are a kind and gentle pig owner taking your pig

00:49:36.019 --> 00:49:38.860
for a walk and then your pig gets overexcited.

00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:42.460
and gets really muddy, and then you are displeased

00:49:42.460 --> 00:49:44.440
with your pig, and shove it in the mud more,

00:49:44.579 --> 00:49:46.539
because if it wants to be a dirty, disgusting

00:49:46.539 --> 00:49:48.519
pig, you're going to make it be a dirty and disgusting

00:49:48.519 --> 00:50:00.340
pig. And then you fuck it. Obviously. That's

00:50:00.340 --> 00:50:02.360
usually my suggestion for what happens next in

00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:05.360
the scene. Yeah. And then you fuck it. And then

00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:13.579
what? Fuck it. Give me your penis. I will write

00:50:13.579 --> 00:50:18.539
that down. Fuck the pig. Thank you. Okay. And

00:50:18.539 --> 00:50:20.559
then maybe, I don't know if we could get a hose.

00:50:20.780 --> 00:50:22.639
I don't know if they have a hose, but then aggressively

00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:27.980
hose the pig. Jet wash the pig. I don't know.

00:50:28.260 --> 00:50:30.699
I don't know whether they do. I think everyone

00:50:30.699 --> 00:50:32.599
I saw doing Mudplay went in the shower, so possibly

00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:34.760
there is no hose. Yeah, which is going to be

00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:36.320
something to think about, because I was conscious

00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:38.619
of when people were doing that. I was like...

00:50:38.829 --> 00:50:42.190
They are not particularly robust showers. Yeah.

00:50:42.630 --> 00:50:46.389
And they got a little bit blocked up. So we just

00:50:46.389 --> 00:50:48.489
need to think through washing you down a little

00:50:48.489 --> 00:50:52.829
bit. Yeah. Getting the worst of it off you before

00:50:52.829 --> 00:50:57.510
you go and ruin the shower. Yeah. But we can

00:50:57.510 --> 00:51:00.730
ask when we're there. Yeah. We can say, is there

00:51:00.730 --> 00:51:04.989
a hosepipe that we can use to jet wash the pig?

00:51:06.170 --> 00:51:09.059
There must be. It's a campsite. There must be

00:51:09.059 --> 00:51:12.639
taps. Yeah. There are taps. There are taps for

00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:16.179
filling up water so we could take a hose. Yes.

00:51:16.420 --> 00:51:21.539
We could take a hose and hose the pig. Yes. So

00:51:21.539 --> 00:51:23.320
a little bit of recce to see where those are

00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:25.559
as well. Yeah. Some things to think about. Some

00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:27.800
things to work out. But yes, that is sounding

00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:31.239
like I did not have a narrative in mind. I just

00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:33.389
knew I wanted to do some muddy piggy play. And

00:51:33.389 --> 00:51:34.510
then as soon as he started talking about it,

00:51:34.530 --> 00:51:37.250
he's like, yes, yes, the pig is misbehaving on

00:51:37.250 --> 00:51:41.750
its walk. I would love to misbehave on a pig

00:51:41.750 --> 00:51:45.909
walk. Yeah. So we will need your, which one do

00:51:45.909 --> 00:51:46.949
you want to take? Do you want to take the pig

00:51:46.949 --> 00:51:50.849
hood or the pig harness? I think for getting

00:51:50.849 --> 00:51:53.150
muddy, the pig hood mix because it's cheaper

00:51:53.150 --> 00:51:55.289
and it's a wipe clean material. I don't want

00:51:55.289 --> 00:51:58.030
to ruin my nice leather pig harness. Yeah. But

00:51:58.030 --> 00:51:59.610
I would like to probably take the leather pig

00:51:59.610 --> 00:52:02.440
harness for. yeah just pottering about in my

00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:05.639
life well that sounds good someone on tiktok

00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:08.159
drew me in my pig harness yes they did i was

00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:10.800
so pleased that was really cool yeah i've saved

00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:13.300
it and i will save it forever yeah no it was

00:52:13.300 --> 00:52:16.039
really nice wasn't it made me so happy good have

00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:18.619
you told them that yes yes and i nearly missed

00:52:18.619 --> 00:52:20.880
it because um tiktok put it in my folded comments

00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:22.199
probably because they thought this person was

00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:23.800
calling me a pig and thought it was someone being

00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:27.139
mean um but uh i i checked my folded comments

00:52:27.139 --> 00:52:29.039
and uh It was there. I was like, oh, this is

00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:30.840
so nice. Usually when I open my folded comments,

00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:35.260
I regret my life. This is a good surprise. Thank

00:52:35.260 --> 00:52:37.539
you. Yeah, that feels like that could be a scene

00:52:37.539 --> 00:52:39.800
if we've done something either earlier in the

00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:42.820
day or the previous day, which is pretty intense.

00:52:43.780 --> 00:52:47.400
That might be a good scene to do as a follow

00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:50.579
on. Yeah. A little bit less, obviously, like

00:52:50.579 --> 00:52:52.179
degrading you and stuff like that. So it's not

00:52:52.179 --> 00:52:55.269
like it's really. really chill but probably physically

00:52:55.269 --> 00:52:58.190
less intense yeah i feel like that could go either

00:52:58.190 --> 00:53:01.190
like you say after an intense scene to be part

00:53:01.190 --> 00:53:03.510
of the sort of cool down not the immediate cool

00:53:03.510 --> 00:53:05.610
down but like we want to play but we don't want

00:53:05.610 --> 00:53:08.829
to get too fucked up um or potentially um for

00:53:08.829 --> 00:53:10.510
something to do on the wednesday after we've

00:53:10.510 --> 00:53:12.289
arrived set up our tent things like that we might

00:53:12.289 --> 00:53:14.030
be a little bit tired and low energy that day

00:53:14.030 --> 00:53:16.250
yeah and in fact i think that's similar to what

00:53:16.250 --> 00:53:19.030
we did last year we did a piggy walk last year

00:53:19.030 --> 00:53:21.780
without the mud and without the The hosepipe.

00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:25.000
Yes. But you put me on a lead and put me in my

00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:28.300
pig hood and took me for a walk. Yeah. Yeah,

00:53:28.340 --> 00:53:30.119
yeah. A little bit weather dependent as well.

00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:32.300
Yeah. So I might need to keep an eye on the weather.

00:53:32.860 --> 00:53:34.760
Yeah. But there was mud last year, even though

00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:36.320
it was dry and sunny the whole time, I think,

00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:38.539
sort of in certain parts of the woods. Like once

00:53:38.539 --> 00:53:40.539
it gets muddy, it stays muddy for weeks. So we'll

00:53:40.539 --> 00:53:42.960
be able to find some mud. Yeah. Should I suggest

00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:46.420
the next one? Oh, yes, mix. Well, this is basically

00:53:46.420 --> 00:53:48.900
a rehash of one that we did last year, but because

00:53:48.900 --> 00:53:51.219
we're going to be in the wilderness. It would

00:53:51.219 --> 00:53:53.860
seem silly not to shove some nettles in you?

00:53:54.500 --> 00:53:57.760
Yes, Mix. I had this same thought, but I have

00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:00.719
a thought for those potentially being part of

00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:08.260
the big scene. Ah. Mm -hmm. Interesting. Yes.

00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:11.320
Okay. Well, should we put a pin in that one,

00:54:11.340 --> 00:54:13.239
then? Yes, Mix. And then if we decide not to

00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:14.860
use them in the big scene, we will circle back.

00:54:15.219 --> 00:54:19.639
Okay. In that case, so the... Another one I've

00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:28.659
got is a woodland rape play scene. Yes, Mix.

00:54:28.940 --> 00:54:30.860
Is that on your list as well? It's not on my

00:54:30.860 --> 00:54:33.440
list because I didn't know if you would be brave

00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:35.619
enough, Mix, because last year it took you the

00:54:35.619 --> 00:54:37.019
whole weekend to be brave enough to even have

00:54:37.019 --> 00:54:41.579
sex in the tent. That is true. But if you are

00:54:41.579 --> 00:54:44.840
up for that, abso -fucking -lutely. Abso -fucking

00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:48.639
-lutely. Yeah. So my general idea for that is

00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:54.599
you toddle off for a walk and then a masked assailant

00:54:54.599 --> 00:55:01.000
with a store -bought penis as backup finds you

00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:05.159
and does terrible things to you. Yes, mate. It's

00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:09.079
basically my premise for that. That sounds excellent.

00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:10.960
I think it's smart to have the store -bought

00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:14.300
penis as backup. Yes. In case yours is afraid

00:55:14.300 --> 00:55:18.280
of being in the woods. Yes. Because my penis

00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:21.659
has a tendency, does it not? Unfortunately, to

00:55:21.659 --> 00:55:24.480
not always be the most cooperative in what it

00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:26.780
perceives as high stress situations. Yeah, it

00:55:26.780 --> 00:55:29.719
doesn't like a big audience. Definitely. It gets

00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:31.480
very upset at the thought of a big audience.

00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:33.260
And even if we were in a fairly quiet bit of

00:55:33.260 --> 00:55:35.019
the woods, I think that was what limited you

00:55:35.019 --> 00:55:36.840
last year is feeling like people were observing

00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:40.679
you having sex. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. So that's

00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:43.429
probably another one to kind of scope out. a

00:55:43.429 --> 00:55:45.210
little bit yeah because i'm assuming you would

00:55:45.210 --> 00:55:47.050
want that to be somewhere where we are relatively

00:55:47.050 --> 00:55:48.829
unlikely to have people standing and watching

00:55:48.829 --> 00:55:53.789
it yeah i think so i think you know for for all

00:55:53.789 --> 00:55:58.030
it's a it's a really permissive event i think

00:55:58.030 --> 00:55:59.690
that kind of thing could be a little bit triggering

00:55:59.690 --> 00:56:01.670
for people so i wouldn't want to do that somewhere

00:56:01.670 --> 00:56:03.849
where we know there's going to be people yeah

00:56:03.849 --> 00:56:06.150
so finding somewhere that is likely to be pretty

00:56:06.150 --> 00:56:11.940
quiet um would probably be a good idea And there's

00:56:11.940 --> 00:56:14.059
plenty of it. There's loads of bits of the woodland

00:56:14.059 --> 00:56:16.940
itself where you can't camp because there isn't

00:56:16.940 --> 00:56:20.559
enough space to pitch a tent. Yeah. I think when

00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:22.780
we were out for a walk, we kind of stumbled across

00:56:22.780 --> 00:56:25.760
a couple of scenes that were happening well into

00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:28.820
the woods, weren't they? So I don't think it'd

00:56:28.820 --> 00:56:30.699
be hard to find a spot for it, but I don't want

00:56:30.699 --> 00:56:32.460
to do it somewhere that's super high traffic.

00:56:32.860 --> 00:56:37.739
Yeah, definitely. And because my phone tracks

00:56:37.739 --> 00:56:40.739
me. I don't necessarily need to know where that

00:56:40.739 --> 00:56:42.539
spot is. We could go on a walk to scope places

00:56:42.539 --> 00:56:44.159
out. You can decide where the spot's going to

00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:47.099
be. And then I follow the same route to go on

00:56:47.099 --> 00:56:49.159
my walk, and I don't know where. I will encounter

00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:53.320
a masked assailant. Yeah. Will the masked assailant

00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:57.739
have weapons, Mix? Oh, possibly. Possibly they

00:56:57.739 --> 00:57:00.019
might. Will the masked assailant put their weapons

00:57:00.019 --> 00:57:04.500
inside me, Mix? Possibly. Possibly. It seems

00:57:04.500 --> 00:57:07.360
like the sort of thing that a masked assailant

00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:11.840
would do. is carry some sort of weapon to subdue

00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:19.840
its target. I love this masked assailant. So

00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:24.480
that's another one to scope out. When we're finding

00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:28.139
our bearings, we'll think about where that might

00:57:28.139 --> 00:57:30.900
be able to occur. Yeah. We'll also need to check

00:57:30.900 --> 00:57:33.239
out the GPS as well, because that's a really

00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:36.010
good suggestion. As long as it works. As long

00:57:36.010 --> 00:57:37.510
as it works, yeah. We'll check that the tracking

00:57:37.510 --> 00:57:39.170
is actually accurate because if it's not, then

00:57:39.170 --> 00:57:41.269
you will have to know where I'm going to be.

00:57:41.329 --> 00:57:44.989
And that's probably not unachievable. I'm not

00:57:44.989 --> 00:57:49.610
exactly a ninja, but I could follow you. And

00:57:49.610 --> 00:57:51.329
that's just the thought I just had is actually

00:57:51.329 --> 00:57:53.449
maybe it's hotter if you follow me. So I go for

00:57:53.449 --> 00:57:55.630
a walk in the woods. Yeah. And every now and

00:57:55.630 --> 00:57:57.550
again, I hear a noise behind me and I look back

00:57:57.550 --> 00:57:59.849
and there's someone in a mask. Yeah. Like hiding

00:57:59.849 --> 00:58:02.289
behind a tree. Yeah. Don't like that. I start

00:58:02.289 --> 00:58:04.460
walking a bit faster. I hear the person behind

00:58:04.460 --> 00:58:06.519
me start walking a bit faster. And then I'm running

00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:07.840
through the woods and I'm being chased through

00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:09.739
the woods. Oh no, I'm being chased by a masked

00:58:09.739 --> 00:58:11.639
assailant through the woods and they have a weapon.

00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:19.219
Oh no. And a store -bought penis. Oh no, how

00:58:19.219 --> 00:58:22.480
terrible. I hate this. Maybe the store -bought

00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:25.019
penis is the weapon. Maybe. Bonk you on the head

00:58:25.019 --> 00:58:34.340
with it. Maybe the masked assailant has a plastic

00:58:34.340 --> 00:58:39.079
bag. Maybe so. Listener, I am taking notes as

00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:41.579
we go through this and somehow I have got caps

00:58:41.579 --> 00:58:47.039
lock on. So now I have stalking plastic bag on

00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:52.000
my notes. Excellent. So normally when we're planning

00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:54.099
scenes together, we wouldn't stop and have a

00:58:54.099 --> 00:58:56.239
serious discussion about bystander consent because

00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:58.420
we already know where we stand on that. But since

00:58:58.420 --> 00:59:00.420
we're recording this. We're going to do that.

00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:03.840
Yeah. So this event that we're planning for is

00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:07.440
one that is very, very clear that it is very

00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:09.820
permissive and that a lot of people who attend

00:59:09.820 --> 00:59:12.659
are heavy players. It's something where everyone

00:59:12.659 --> 00:59:14.280
who is there is comfortable knowing they're going

00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:16.519
to see quite a lot of heavy play, including things

00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:19.119
like blood, including breath play and including

00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:22.239
consensual non -consent scenes. We would not

00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:25.900
go to just any dungeon event and do a rape play

00:59:25.900 --> 00:59:29.320
scene. in front of an audience no um and even

00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:31.320
at an event like this we are as you'll have heard

00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:33.039
us talk about thinking about ways that we can

00:59:33.039 --> 00:59:35.559
do it so that people can very much opt in rather

00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:37.260
than it suddenly happening right in front of

00:59:37.260 --> 00:59:39.980
their faces picking a quiet spot and people might

00:59:39.980 --> 00:59:42.280
wander along see it from a distance and go that's

00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:45.820
not for me and go elsewhere yeah um we did stuff

00:59:45.820 --> 00:59:47.920
at this event last year along the same kind of

00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:49.900
lines and it was chill and other people were

00:59:49.900 --> 00:59:53.480
doing similar things um but this is stuff particularly

00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:55.239
as you start getting into particularly triggering

00:59:55.239 --> 00:59:58.860
potentially triggering kinks to think about is

00:59:58.860 --> 01:00:01.380
whether the event is suitable for it is there

01:00:01.380 --> 01:00:02.820
anything you want to add mix for our important

01:00:02.820 --> 01:00:05.500
disclaimer i think you've got i think you've

01:00:05.500 --> 01:00:07.519
covered it pretty well and i think this that

01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:09.659
that scene in particular is one where we'll be

01:00:09.659 --> 01:00:13.139
careful about the location of it you know notwithstanding

01:00:13.139 --> 01:00:16.139
how permissive and open -minded the event is

01:00:16.139 --> 01:00:17.820
and the expectation that people come into it

01:00:17.820 --> 01:00:20.800
is the last thing you want is to have somebody

01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:25.480
out for a chill walk in the woods and then to

01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:27.219
see something that is going to trigger them i

01:00:27.219 --> 01:00:28.500
think there's a little bit of responsibility

01:00:28.500 --> 01:00:31.260
on both sides for that if you are a person who

01:00:31.260 --> 01:00:33.099
is likely to be triggered by seeing a particular

01:00:33.099 --> 01:00:36.079
type of behavior maybe a kinky camping trip in

01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:40.340
the woods is not for you but that doesn't absolve

01:00:40.340 --> 01:00:44.320
us of any kind of thought as well yeah um And

01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:46.199
it didn't matter in the end, but you remember

01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:49.639
when we did the big whipping scene, because the

01:00:49.639 --> 01:00:52.380
premise for that is, I'm going to hit you as

01:00:52.380 --> 01:00:55.500
hard as I can, as many times as I need to, and

01:00:55.500 --> 01:00:57.820
it's not going to stop no matter what. There

01:00:57.820 --> 01:01:00.179
was a CNC, consensual non -consent element to

01:01:00.179 --> 01:01:02.639
that as well. Yeah. And we used our little whiteboard,

01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:07.619
and it's still up in our bedroom. Yeah. So we

01:01:07.619 --> 01:01:10.199
really clearly, by the path, put a little sign

01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:14.239
up which said, This is a no safe word CNC scene.

01:01:14.659 --> 01:01:17.820
Viewer discretion is advised. Yeah. And we probably

01:01:17.820 --> 01:01:19.760
didn't need to do that, but I think it put your

01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:22.219
mind at rest particularly. And also it's quite

01:01:22.219 --> 01:01:24.179
cute. Like I like that that sign just hangs in

01:01:24.179 --> 01:01:26.840
our bedroom now because it just applies. Yeah.

01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:30.119
That's generally what's going on in there. Yeah.

01:01:31.260 --> 01:01:35.099
My only other idea is the big one. Oh no, I have

01:01:35.099 --> 01:01:40.159
another one. I have three. Holy shit. I told

01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:43.440
you I got ideas. In addition to the big one?

01:01:43.539 --> 01:01:45.659
In addition to the big one mix, yeah. Fucking

01:01:45.659 --> 01:01:48.860
hell. I started writing ideas down and I was

01:01:48.860 --> 01:01:53.199
horny. Right. So my next one is that, obviously,

01:01:53.239 --> 01:01:55.280
as some of our listeners will remember from the

01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:57.920
branding episode, I have a brand on my back that

01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:00.880
says Fuck Pig. And it's been a while since we

01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:03.260
went over that and it's a little bit faded. And

01:02:03.260 --> 01:02:05.079
I thought that might be quite a fun and quite

01:02:05.079 --> 01:02:08.699
chill but really cool thing to do. Nice. That

01:02:08.699 --> 01:02:11.380
is such a good idea. I'm so smart and wise. And

01:02:11.380 --> 01:02:12.960
you're going to be really surprised by what I'm

01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:15.000
about to say to you. Was that on your list as

01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:17.880
well, mate? No, it wasn't. I'm going to say something

01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:19.699
else that will be really surprising to you, though.

01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:22.320
Wouldn't that be a really cool thing to do in

01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:26.940
the main area? Yes. A bit like we did last year

01:02:26.940 --> 01:02:29.159
with the waterboarding? Yeah. I think people

01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:30.800
would like to see that. Yeah, okay. That's a

01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:34.059
really good idea. So we'll need to buy a couple

01:02:34.059 --> 01:02:37.190
more quartery pens for that. Probably only need

01:02:37.190 --> 01:02:39.449
one, but it's worth having a backup. Is there

01:02:39.449 --> 01:02:41.389
anything else we need in the first aid kit? Because

01:02:41.389 --> 01:02:43.849
when we've done it before, we've been in the

01:02:43.849 --> 01:02:47.769
house, which is not a sterile environment. But

01:02:47.769 --> 01:02:49.050
it's cleaner than a campsite. But it's cleaner

01:02:49.050 --> 01:02:51.110
than a campsite. I would definitely want to make

01:02:51.110 --> 01:02:53.250
sure we've got antiseptic cream with us. I'll

01:02:53.250 --> 01:02:55.309
probably only use it if it starts seeming a little

01:02:55.309 --> 01:02:57.210
bit more sore than it should be, but it's good

01:02:57.210 --> 01:03:00.170
to have. I heal from burns really, really well.

01:03:00.269 --> 01:03:02.909
So my approach to burn healing is not... completely

01:03:02.909 --> 01:03:05.050
aligned with like NHS guidance, anyone listening

01:03:05.050 --> 01:03:06.909
to this who's wanting to get into burns and branding,

01:03:07.070 --> 01:03:10.489
I encourage doing your own hefty research. But

01:03:10.489 --> 01:03:12.389
for me, I tend to leave them uncovered, wash

01:03:12.389 --> 01:03:14.449
with water only and use antiseptic only if they're

01:03:14.449 --> 01:03:18.050
irritated. With us being on a campsite, I will

01:03:18.050 --> 01:03:21.250
definitely take dressings and I will consider

01:03:21.250 --> 01:03:23.150
how clean our space is and what we're going to

01:03:23.150 --> 01:03:26.050
be doing, whether I want to cover it just while

01:03:26.050 --> 01:03:27.760
we're at camping. Because that might be smart.

01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:30.079
It is an open wound. I know we're going to get

01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:31.920
on to the order of things in a little bit, but

01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:35.059
this is one definitely to do after any mud, not

01:03:35.059 --> 01:03:37.900
before. Yes. Even with a dressing, I'm not going

01:03:37.900 --> 01:03:39.500
to roll around in mud with an open wound on my

01:03:39.500 --> 01:03:43.920
back. Yeah. I mean, given the number of ideas

01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:45.760
that we've had so far and there are more to come,

01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:49.179
I feel like we're going to have to edit. No,

01:03:49.239 --> 01:03:51.420
we played more than once per day last time we

01:03:51.420 --> 01:03:53.500
were there, Mix. Yeah. We'll squeeze them in.

01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:57.909
Fair. Okay. That's a really good idea. I like

01:03:57.909 --> 01:04:01.650
that. Thank you. Good job. Did you say you were

01:04:01.650 --> 01:04:03.489
out of ideas apart from the vague one, Mix? No,

01:04:03.510 --> 01:04:05.170
I've got one more, but it's a really vague one.

01:04:05.510 --> 01:04:09.250
I want to hear the vague one. I really enjoyed

01:04:09.250 --> 01:04:14.110
the bimbo day and the two -syllable task last

01:04:14.110 --> 01:04:18.550
year. So I think it would be fun to do something

01:04:18.550 --> 01:04:22.719
like that again, but I don't know what. for the

01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:24.800
interaction with people mix or for the verification

01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:27.099
or a bit of both for the for the interaction

01:04:27.099 --> 01:04:29.260
of it i think there's something really nice about

01:04:29.260 --> 01:04:31.760
like in that setting doing something which means

01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:34.980
people will notice and go oh what's going on

01:04:34.980 --> 01:04:38.840
over here and take part or something that allows

01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:42.460
us to kind of reach out a little bit but i i

01:04:42.460 --> 01:04:45.039
genuinely don't know what that could be i have

01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:47.519
good news for you mix oh wow i have an idea cool

01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:54.460
the next idea on my list is public ashtray Nice.

01:04:54.460 --> 01:04:58.659
Yeah. So I was thinking we could like maybe walk

01:04:58.659 --> 01:05:00.440
me around on a leash or maybe just walk around

01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:02.260
with me, but have some kind of sign like we did

01:05:02.260 --> 01:05:05.920
for the bimbo day. And maybe spend quite a lot

01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:07.800
of time around sort of the kind of main public

01:05:07.800 --> 01:05:09.500
areas where people will be sitting around smoking

01:05:09.500 --> 01:05:12.920
and make sure that people are aware that I am

01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:16.280
available for public use as an ashtray. We could

01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:18.639
have areas of my body marked out that are suitable

01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:20.480
for people to do stub outs. So like just mark

01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:23.449
with Sharpie, like. stub outs here are fine um

01:05:23.449 --> 01:05:25.230
could allow people to flick ash into my mouth

01:05:25.230 --> 01:05:27.809
um could allow a limited amount of stub outs

01:05:27.809 --> 01:05:29.269
on my tongue i don't want to take hundreds off

01:05:29.269 --> 01:05:32.510
them yeah yeah but uh yeah see if people want

01:05:32.510 --> 01:05:35.389
to get involved in that yeah that sounds like

01:05:35.389 --> 01:05:37.349
a really good sounds like a really good idea

01:05:37.349 --> 01:05:40.760
um We've got the ashtray gag, but I feel like

01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:42.719
that would kind of defeat the object of the interactive

01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:44.719
part of the exercise a little bit. Yeah, and

01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:46.400
I want to take ash in my mouth. I really like

01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:48.440
that. I mean, I hate it. It's disgusting, but

01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:53.440
I like it. That's the point. Yeah. So sign on

01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:59.400
the pig. That's you. Yes, me. I think what we'll

01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:01.280
need to do is this will be a scene that we need

01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:03.420
to figure out the exact details of what is and

01:06:03.420 --> 01:06:04.860
isn't going to be allowed when we figure out

01:06:04.860 --> 01:06:06.380
where we're putting it and what else is happening.

01:06:07.050 --> 01:06:09.289
Because we are starting to rack up quite a lot

01:06:09.289 --> 01:06:13.170
of skin breaking activities. Yes. And there's

01:06:13.170 --> 01:06:17.329
only so much skin available. Yeah. I'm not against

01:06:17.329 --> 01:06:20.449
it. I really like putting cigarettes out on you

01:06:20.449 --> 01:06:22.110
and the idea of other people doing it is quite

01:06:22.110 --> 01:06:25.429
hot as well. But if it turns out that only five

01:06:25.429 --> 01:06:27.449
people are going to be able to do it, then that's

01:06:27.449 --> 01:06:29.989
probably fine. But yeah, just thinking through

01:06:29.989 --> 01:06:33.110
the practicality of that. Yeah. Let's see how

01:06:33.110 --> 01:06:34.530
much we end up with on our list and where we

01:06:34.530 --> 01:06:36.659
place them and then... can make some decisions

01:06:36.659 --> 01:06:38.599
but we could still do public ashtray even if

01:06:38.599 --> 01:06:40.639
we don't allow any stub outs at all just having

01:06:40.639 --> 01:06:43.460
people feed me ash all day would be yeah degrading

01:06:43.460 --> 01:06:45.639
and hot and objectifying and all of those good

01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:48.199
things yeah yeah so is that you out of ideas

01:06:48.199 --> 01:06:50.920
other than the big one mix yes cool because i

01:06:50.920 --> 01:06:55.900
still have one i have one left all right i was

01:06:55.900 --> 01:06:57.300
going to suggest we have a full day where i'm

01:06:57.300 --> 01:06:58.619
not allowed to wear any clothes at any point

01:06:58.619 --> 01:07:03.820
mix weather dependent Because you're an animal.

01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:07.500
Yes. I want to run around outside and remember

01:07:07.500 --> 01:07:10.860
I'm an animal. Full day of nudity. I can get

01:07:10.860 --> 01:07:12.360
on board with that. Are you going to join me,

01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:16.940
Mix? Absolutely not. Nope. People will see my

01:07:16.940 --> 01:07:22.880
knees and that's about it. Fair. And they can

01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:26.079
be satisfied with that. I find your knees very

01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:29.719
satisfying, Mix. Do you? I prefer to see more

01:07:29.719 --> 01:07:32.000
of you, though. Yeah. Particularly when they...

01:07:32.539 --> 01:07:35.460
Well aimed between your legs. Or yes mix. Or

01:07:35.460 --> 01:07:39.480
yes. So full day of nudity from get up to go

01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:42.420
to bed. Yes mix. Weather dependent. Yeah. Yeah

01:07:42.420 --> 01:07:44.519
if it's freezing I will struggle with that. At

01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:46.360
the risk of overloading the car do you want to

01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:49.139
take your body chain thing or just be completely

01:07:49.139 --> 01:07:54.519
naked? Ooh. Maybe the body chain mix. Yeah. Depending

01:07:54.519 --> 01:07:56.059
on what we do because if that ends up being a

01:07:56.059 --> 01:07:57.559
day that I'm going to be getting muddy for example.

01:07:57.820 --> 01:07:59.239
I don't want to get the chain all clogged up

01:07:59.239 --> 01:08:01.519
with mud. I guess I could take it off. Yeah.

01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:03.480
True. Actually, if I'm rolling around in mud,

01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:05.480
I might want a bra on for that. For the sensory

01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:10.320
nightmare. Yeah. That's fair. Is there any consideration

01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:13.199
for your sensitivities around your boobs? No,

01:08:13.380 --> 01:08:15.559
I think as long as you're not putting me face

01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:17.479
down on anything that day, Mix, or if you let

01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:19.539
me put something on my top half if you are going

01:08:19.539 --> 01:08:23.180
to. Then that's fine. Like I used to find sort

01:08:23.180 --> 01:08:24.779
of feeling my boobs moving around used to set

01:08:24.779 --> 01:08:26.579
off a lot of sensory stuff for me, but a lot

01:08:26.579 --> 01:08:28.859
less now. I think since we started going to more

01:08:28.859 --> 01:08:30.359
events where I've been naked or I've been wearing

01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:31.800
really skimpy stuff that isn't really supportive,

01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:35.159
I've adapted a little bit. It's just like friction

01:08:35.159 --> 01:08:38.180
on my nipples that upsets me greatly. So I'm

01:08:38.180 --> 01:08:40.060
not going to be lying face down on anything unless

01:08:40.060 --> 01:08:43.239
it's extremely soft. And that's something we

01:08:43.239 --> 01:08:46.220
could cater for anyway, isn't it? We'll have

01:08:46.220 --> 01:08:50.310
towels with us. We'll have. pillows with us yeah

01:08:50.310 --> 01:08:53.649
have a duvet with us so if we if we do decide

01:08:53.649 --> 01:08:56.850
to do something which requires you to be bending

01:08:56.850 --> 01:08:58.630
over something or lying on something then we

01:08:58.630 --> 01:09:00.750
could probably accommodate that if we needed

01:09:00.750 --> 01:09:02.909
to yeah that would work we've done that at play

01:09:02.909 --> 01:09:04.930
events before where i've been getting naked to

01:09:04.930 --> 01:09:06.310
lie on something and we've popped down like a

01:09:06.310 --> 01:09:08.289
folded towel or something and that's yeah that's

01:09:08.289 --> 01:09:09.989
usually fine so i think we're on to the big one

01:09:09.989 --> 01:09:15.289
mix oh we've been talking about this all the

01:09:15.289 --> 01:09:17.520
way through Oh, yes. Apart from the big one.

01:09:17.579 --> 01:09:20.279
Apart from the big one. Let's hope people are

01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:22.439
excited to hear about. And not just annoyed,

01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:26.439
yeah. About our big plan. Do you want to start

01:09:26.439 --> 01:09:28.680
or shall I? I'll start, Mix, because this one

01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:32.220
was my idea. I'm quite proud of this. Yeah. So

01:09:32.220 --> 01:09:36.159
we are doing a witch trial. Yes. We are doing

01:09:36.159 --> 01:09:38.899
our second interrogation. And it's going to be

01:09:38.899 --> 01:09:42.319
a witch trial. And I am so excited. Yes. It's,

01:09:42.380 --> 01:09:47.720
yeah. This is our big set piece. Yeah. I suppose

01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:50.220
this is probably the one where, after we talk

01:09:50.220 --> 01:09:51.760
about it now, we'll go away and kind of write

01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:55.359
it down. Yeah. And work it out. Yeah. And do

01:09:55.359 --> 01:09:57.020
some more research, I think. I think we've both

01:09:57.020 --> 01:09:58.899
been doing some research today, but I think between

01:09:58.899 --> 01:10:01.579
now and doing the scene, we'll probably both

01:10:01.579 --> 01:10:03.640
be, like we did for the interrogation, the first

01:10:03.640 --> 01:10:05.760
interrogation, as it will now be known. Yeah.

01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:09.600
Both of us were independently researching how

01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:12.020
to win. Yeah. And how to fuck with each other.

01:10:12.460 --> 01:10:14.739
Yeah. And how to make it really good. And I think

01:10:14.739 --> 01:10:15.920
there's going to be some of that going on because

01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:18.420
I already have a full strategy, a character,

01:10:18.460 --> 01:10:20.119
like everything. But I'm excited to plan this

01:10:20.119 --> 01:10:21.720
with you, but still keep some stuff close to

01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:27.539
the chest. Right. OK. Interesting. So where do

01:10:27.539 --> 01:10:28.720
you want to start with this thing? Because I'm

01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:30.819
really interested to hear about your not. I don't

01:10:30.819 --> 01:10:32.420
want to know the details of your strategy of

01:10:32.420 --> 01:10:35.460
how you will win. But in my head, it would be

01:10:35.460 --> 01:10:39.380
really fun to kind of set it up as to make it

01:10:39.380 --> 01:10:41.699
a little bit of a surprise, I suppose. And over

01:10:41.699 --> 01:10:44.430
the course of the time before. kind of become

01:10:44.430 --> 01:10:47.470
increasingly suspicious of you yeah and your

01:10:47.470 --> 01:10:53.649
witchcrafty ways um and then really lean into

01:10:53.649 --> 01:10:57.869
that kind of salem religious hysteria kind of

01:10:57.869 --> 01:10:59.989
thing so one of the things that i've been researching

01:10:59.989 --> 01:11:02.829
is the language that is used to describe the

01:11:02.829 --> 01:11:08.560
the women yeah um you know and like fairly obvious

01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:11.220
words like harlot and devil's strumpet stuff

01:11:11.220 --> 01:11:14.159
like that you know kind of really lean into that

01:11:14.159 --> 01:11:18.340
kind of demonic possession sort of yeah madness

01:11:18.340 --> 01:11:21.460
that was around the witch trials like a paranoid

01:11:21.460 --> 01:11:27.260
vibe yeah very sort of like like you're as unsettled

01:11:27.260 --> 01:11:29.939
by what's happening as i will be unsettled by

01:11:29.939 --> 01:11:31.539
what you do to me because of it kind of thing

01:11:31.539 --> 01:11:34.659
yeah i think so and there's there's I think there's

01:11:34.659 --> 01:11:36.840
an opportunity, and I kind of hate myself for

01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:40.479
saying this, but there's an opportunity to make

01:11:40.479 --> 01:11:43.159
a bit of a spectacle of it as well. I was so

01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:44.880
hoping you would be on board with that mix because,

01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:47.000
yeah, absolutely, a witch trial's got to be public,

01:11:47.140 --> 01:11:55.140
right? Well, that's not quite what I said. But

01:11:55.140 --> 01:11:57.420
I quite like the idea of almost kind of Game

01:11:57.420 --> 01:12:00.420
of Thrones -esque, you know, when kind of Cersei

01:12:00.420 --> 01:12:02.800
Lannister is kind of paraded through the streets

01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:05.220
and there's people behind a ringing bell going,

01:12:05.319 --> 01:12:09.479
shame, shame, shame sort of thing. Like in my

01:12:09.479 --> 01:12:12.460
head, if we have Stace in the car, almost kind

01:12:12.460 --> 01:12:14.680
of forcing you into the manacles that we've got

01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:17.479
and kind of parading you through like a pretty

01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:21.140
high traffic area of the... campsite to somewhere

01:12:21.140 --> 01:12:23.659
which is a little less high traffic okay but

01:12:23.659 --> 01:12:26.020
not completely private it's got sort of somewhere

01:12:26.020 --> 01:12:28.640
in the middle that sounds fair yeah i'd add it's

01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:30.079
so interesting like i'd have the thought about

01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:33.420
the the big slave chain as well yeah it would

01:12:33.420 --> 01:12:37.159
be perfect yeah to parade me around and kind

01:12:37.159 --> 01:12:40.779
of dragging you through yeah like kind of dragging

01:12:40.779 --> 01:12:43.579
you through the the town square and it's going

01:12:43.579 --> 01:12:45.560
to rely on me being quite a good actor i think

01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:50.279
going you know kind of witch harlot demon whore

01:12:50.279 --> 01:12:55.680
sort of thing as i drag you off yeah to be interrogated

01:12:55.680 --> 01:12:58.159
and to get you to confess to being a witch yeah

01:12:58.159 --> 01:13:00.319
because the essential structure of it is there

01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:03.899
is the the accusation and associated evidence

01:13:03.899 --> 01:13:08.979
of it and then there is the the um sort of inspecting

01:13:08.979 --> 01:13:11.239
me for further evidence you've got your kind

01:13:11.239 --> 01:13:14.460
of accusations and things you've observed and

01:13:14.460 --> 01:13:16.000
things like that then you're actively looking

01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:19.550
for evidence you are examining me and trying

01:13:19.550 --> 01:13:22.470
to figure out if I'm a witch. And then you are

01:13:22.470 --> 01:13:25.210
making up your mind that I'm a witch and interrogating

01:13:25.210 --> 01:13:27.930
me to force a confession. Yeah, yeah. And that's

01:13:27.930 --> 01:13:32.989
what we need to plan our way through. Because

01:13:32.989 --> 01:13:34.449
I know one of the things that both of us were

01:13:34.449 --> 01:13:37.909
reading about today was witch marks. Yeah. And

01:13:37.909 --> 01:13:43.210
the potential for just humiliation of being stripped

01:13:43.210 --> 01:13:46.689
down and inspected thoroughly everywhere and

01:13:46.689 --> 01:13:49.920
poked and prodded and... tested yeah it seems

01:13:49.920 --> 01:13:54.600
like a lot of fun yeah yeah and um using the

01:13:54.600 --> 01:13:57.560
magnet in your finger yeah Yeah, I hadn't even

01:13:57.560 --> 01:13:59.000
thought of that until you mentioned it. It's

01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:01.000
genius. So I can't remember if we mentioned this

01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:02.979
before. I have a small magnet implanted in one

01:14:02.979 --> 01:14:05.159
of my fingers that I got during a phase of my

01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:07.460
life where I was really super into body modification

01:14:07.460 --> 01:14:09.680
because that was an outlet for my masochism that

01:14:09.680 --> 01:14:12.439
I hadn't really acknowledged yet. So, yeah, I

01:14:12.439 --> 01:14:14.180
have a magnet the size of a grain of rice in

01:14:14.180 --> 01:14:15.659
my finger that is strong enough to pick up anything

01:14:15.659 --> 01:14:19.800
up to about a teaspoon. So, yeah, that definitely

01:14:19.800 --> 01:14:21.479
feels like it might qualify as a witch mark,

01:14:21.539 --> 01:14:24.239
especially if something sticks to it. Yeah, yeah,

01:14:24.300 --> 01:14:30.409
I think so. I think so. And I guess there's a

01:14:30.409 --> 01:14:32.149
conversation for us to have about how much of

01:14:32.149 --> 01:14:35.069
a performance piece we want this to be. Because

01:14:35.069 --> 01:14:37.050
it's like, like you said, it's big enough to

01:14:37.050 --> 01:14:41.970
pick up a teaspoon. So is that something that

01:14:41.970 --> 01:14:44.949
you do? And everybody around us is like, oh my

01:14:44.949 --> 01:14:48.090
God, you picked up a teaspoon. Whereas I'm like,

01:14:48.189 --> 01:14:55.449
what the fuck? Yeah. What is this? Sorcery. You

01:14:55.449 --> 01:15:00.659
know. Is that the angle we're going for or no?

01:15:01.239 --> 01:15:03.600
It could be, but equally it could be something

01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:05.939
that isn't revealed until you are starting to

01:15:05.939 --> 01:15:08.899
inspect me, Mix. Because if, for example, you

01:15:08.899 --> 01:15:10.579
were testing for witch marks with some kind of

01:15:10.579 --> 01:15:12.380
metal object, if you were jabbing me with something.

01:15:12.619 --> 01:15:15.199
Yeah, that's true. And then traced it over my

01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:18.340
finger and it snaps to it. Yeah, true. As someone

01:15:18.340 --> 01:15:20.800
investigating a witch, you might have some questions

01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:23.819
about that. I have some thoughts. Yeah. About

01:15:23.819 --> 01:15:29.000
that, yeah. Yeah. True. So it's probably another

01:15:29.000 --> 01:15:32.319
thing where we're on our first day exploration.

01:15:32.600 --> 01:15:34.979
We kind of need to decide where the bulk of the

01:15:34.979 --> 01:15:38.640
interrogation is going to happen. Yeah. And how

01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:40.680
we kind of transport from where we are to where

01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:44.119
that is. Yeah. And there's a few options on that

01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:48.340
because it's a massive site, isn't it? So there's

01:15:48.340 --> 01:15:51.260
a few landmarks and things that have been built

01:15:51.260 --> 01:15:54.359
that would be quite handy and aren't necessarily...

01:15:55.880 --> 01:15:59.979
like tucked away without being a major thoroughfare

01:15:59.979 --> 01:16:03.939
yeah which might work quite well i agree yeah

01:16:03.939 --> 01:16:06.340
we'll we'll scout out a few ideas when we get

01:16:06.340 --> 01:16:08.199
there and see where it's going to be good because

01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:10.079
you'll also have to think about anything you're

01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:12.000
wanting to use for the torture and interrogation

01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:14.159
part of it potentially stashing up there in advance

01:16:14.159 --> 01:16:16.560
if you're wanting to drag me around and leave

01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:20.979
me out there yeah true but we've got i think

01:16:20.979 --> 01:16:22.619
a few people that we know going so you could

01:16:22.619 --> 01:16:24.920
also potentially recruit some assistance yeah

01:16:25.529 --> 01:16:28.750
Have someone watch the stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:16:29.350 --> 01:16:32.109
I wouldn't be massively worried about the security

01:16:32.109 --> 01:16:34.890
of the stuff. No, no, I think it's quite a trustworthy

01:16:34.890 --> 01:16:38.729
bunch. Yeah, yeah, that could be a thing we could

01:16:38.729 --> 01:16:40.689
do is kind of ask someone to take the stuff up

01:16:40.689 --> 01:16:42.409
for us or keep an eye on it when it's up there.

01:16:42.510 --> 01:16:44.829
Yeah. Sort of thing. You also don't necessarily

01:16:44.829 --> 01:16:46.710
have to commit to a single location for the entire

01:16:46.710 --> 01:16:49.750
thing. You could do some stuff to me in one location

01:16:49.750 --> 01:16:51.689
and then drag me off somewhere else where something

01:16:51.689 --> 01:16:58.060
else terrible will happen. Yeah, true. So I had

01:16:58.060 --> 01:17:01.199
a long list of things that I could do to you.

01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:03.279
How interesting. I have a long list of things

01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:07.000
that you could do to me as well, Mix. So shall

01:17:07.000 --> 01:17:12.960
I go through mine? Yes, Mix. So this is for the

01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:16.899
interrogating for a confession portion of the

01:17:16.899 --> 01:17:18.899
proceeding. Yes, which I feel like is going to

01:17:18.899 --> 01:17:22.359
be the most lengthy. Yeah. So I have several

01:17:22.359 --> 01:17:25.680
things that I can hit you with. I would suggest

01:17:25.680 --> 01:17:29.539
for maximum entertainment on my part that not

01:17:29.539 --> 01:17:32.119
much of that is study. I agree for this kind

01:17:32.119 --> 01:17:33.600
of scene. Like I'm supposed to be suffering.

01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:37.020
Yeah. So kind of really stingy, whippy things

01:17:37.020 --> 01:17:41.960
rather than clubs. Yeah. And paddles and stuff.

01:17:44.579 --> 01:17:47.720
One of the things that came up in my research

01:17:47.720 --> 01:17:49.659
today, which we might be able to get a version

01:17:49.659 --> 01:17:51.779
of it, but if not, we've got something that would.

01:17:52.409 --> 01:17:56.350
do the do the job is they called it a pair and

01:17:56.350 --> 01:17:59.890
it's basically like a bulbous thing that goes

01:17:59.890 --> 01:18:01.909
inside you and then it's then there's a little

01:18:01.909 --> 01:18:03.810
mechanism on it which you twist which kind of

01:18:03.810 --> 01:18:06.949
opens you up yep and obviously the idea during

01:18:06.949 --> 01:18:09.109
the witch trials and the the torture that the

01:18:09.109 --> 01:18:11.750
actual torture that they did was that it caused

01:18:11.750 --> 01:18:15.279
significant damage but that A scaled down. A

01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:17.359
scaled down version of that because there's a

01:18:17.359 --> 01:18:20.520
lot of misogyny, obviously, about the witch trials.

01:18:20.720 --> 01:18:23.600
Which I was going to suggest is that I play as

01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:25.840
female for this. Like my gender is out of the

01:18:25.840 --> 01:18:28.500
equation for this. Because that was the whole

01:18:28.500 --> 01:18:32.300
point. It was male hysteria about women having

01:18:32.300 --> 01:18:35.340
too many thoughts. Yeah. So let's lean into that

01:18:35.340 --> 01:18:40.279
and ramp that up. Yeah. Yeah, I have also heard

01:18:40.279 --> 01:18:42.340
of the pair, obviously, because of who I am as

01:18:42.340 --> 01:18:45.539
a person. Yeah. And something that works like

01:18:45.539 --> 01:18:48.039
that but doesn't put me in hospital. Awesome.

01:18:48.340 --> 01:18:51.119
But also a similar vibe is just using a speculum

01:18:51.119 --> 01:18:52.800
and then shoving stuff in that hurts, which is

01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:56.640
why I saved Nettleplay for right now. Ah, genius.

01:18:56.800 --> 01:18:59.779
Yeah, I'd put speculum on the list rather than...

01:18:59.779 --> 01:19:02.220
Because I imagine those things which imitate

01:19:02.220 --> 01:19:05.100
but are not quite as dangerous as a pair will

01:19:05.100 --> 01:19:07.779
be quite expensive. Yeah. Because they're steel

01:19:07.779 --> 01:19:10.500
and lots of mechanics in them and stuff. Yeah.

01:19:10.840 --> 01:19:12.199
We can have a look at that, but the speculum

01:19:12.199 --> 01:19:14.500
would do just the same. Yeah. And then use something

01:19:14.500 --> 01:19:17.520
else to bring the pain element. Yeah. Speculum

01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:20.840
and nettles. Nice. And I feel like that leans

01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:24.359
into like the, we're not, I'm not saying we can't

01:19:24.359 --> 01:19:26.220
use anything that's a modern material because

01:19:26.220 --> 01:19:28.699
we have modern materials. Why would we not? But

01:19:28.699 --> 01:19:31.319
leaning into things that people during the actual

01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:33.279
witch trials would have had access to. Nettles

01:19:33.279 --> 01:19:36.659
have always been around. Leaning into the sort

01:19:36.659 --> 01:19:40.260
of conflict between. humanity and nature with

01:19:40.260 --> 01:19:42.760
the just it fits the vibe i like the idea of

01:19:42.760 --> 01:19:45.439
nettles and they're not they're not too intense

01:19:45.439 --> 01:19:47.279
for me i'll have quite a good time with that

01:19:47.279 --> 01:19:48.819
probably but there'll be a lot of stuff that

01:19:48.819 --> 01:19:51.560
is really intense so yeah i feel like that's

01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:55.060
okay yeah yeah but also i don't i wonder about

01:19:55.060 --> 01:19:58.300
the kind of layering of obviously nettles inside

01:19:58.300 --> 01:19:59.899
you as well but if i'm hitting you with whippy

01:19:59.899 --> 01:20:02.420
things yeah either before or after i've put nettles

01:20:02.420 --> 01:20:05.520
on your body yeah that could be very interesting

01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:08.300
would be quite intense possibly yeah quite intense

01:20:08.300 --> 01:20:10.399
yeah and doing the nettles over and over again

01:20:10.399 --> 01:20:12.420
it gets more intense as well so we could do repeated

01:20:12.420 --> 01:20:14.539
nettle stuffing yeah along with lots of like

01:20:14.539 --> 01:20:17.159
verbal sexual humiliation and being like you

01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:19.460
know if you're going to consort with the devil

01:20:19.460 --> 01:20:22.880
then yeah this is what you get yeah yeah yeah

01:20:22.880 --> 01:20:26.340
um a little bit of waterboarding but maybe something

01:20:26.340 --> 01:20:29.319
different or a different approach to it so rather

01:20:29.319 --> 01:20:31.840
than pouring water on you shoving your head into

01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:34.000
a bucket yeah we need to do some reading on risk

01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:35.600
with that because i know dunking is more risky

01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:37.039
than waterboarding which is another one people

01:20:37.039 --> 01:20:39.659
often don't expect but yeah dunking would fit

01:20:39.659 --> 01:20:41.720
the vibe but definitely some waterboarding in

01:20:41.720 --> 01:20:44.739
there so yeah we'll look into the risks of dunking

01:20:44.739 --> 01:20:47.819
but definitely materials for waterboarding yeah

01:20:47.819 --> 01:20:50.460
would be a good some form of water torture must

01:20:50.460 --> 01:20:54.220
be involved yes uh we've talked about the devil's

01:20:54.220 --> 01:21:01.199
marks yes which in the stuff that i've read were

01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:03.479
then looking for parts of the body that don't

01:21:03.479 --> 01:21:06.619
react to pain yeah there were different beliefs

01:21:06.619 --> 01:21:08.560
around it and i think it changed over time so

01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:10.579
sometimes it was doesn't react to pain sometimes

01:21:10.579 --> 01:21:12.880
it was doesn't bleed and sometimes it was just

01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:15.340
like weird marks yeah weird looking moles weird

01:21:15.340 --> 01:21:17.079
scars and things like that i've got plenty of

01:21:17.079 --> 01:21:19.279
weird looking scars yeah yeah um i don't think

01:21:19.279 --> 01:21:21.159
i've got any parts that won't react to pain but

01:21:21.159 --> 01:21:23.060
i don't always react to pain in a normal way

01:21:23.060 --> 01:21:25.760
so that could be an angle um and also if you

01:21:25.760 --> 01:21:27.720
like jab it enough places you will find one that

01:21:27.720 --> 01:21:29.920
doesn't bleed at some point because yeah yeah

01:21:30.270 --> 01:21:32.489
That's how blood vessels work. But I was thinking

01:21:32.489 --> 01:21:34.729
we could use like the Wartenberg wheel that we've

01:21:34.729 --> 01:21:37.270
got for that sort of thing for testing for marks.

01:21:37.569 --> 01:21:42.970
Yep. One really interesting thing that I saw

01:21:42.970 --> 01:21:46.649
was one of the tests that they did was they called

01:21:46.649 --> 01:21:50.810
it the incantation test. And basically they made

01:21:50.810 --> 01:21:56.470
the woman recite the Lord's Prayer. On the basis

01:21:56.470 --> 01:21:58.510
that someone who is possessed by demonic forces

01:21:58.510 --> 01:22:01.090
would not be able to complete it and that they

01:22:01.090 --> 01:22:03.430
would stutter and stumble over their words. So

01:22:03.430 --> 01:22:05.550
kind of forcing you to recite something like

01:22:05.550 --> 01:22:08.949
that while I'm beating the shit out of you. Yeah.

01:22:09.029 --> 01:22:10.729
It's just more evidence for the fact that you

01:22:10.729 --> 01:22:13.729
are possessed. I love that. Yes. You know? Yeah.

01:22:13.890 --> 01:22:17.109
I'm not fully set on making you recite the Lord's

01:22:17.109 --> 01:22:20.579
Prayer, but something like that. I think you

01:22:20.579 --> 01:22:22.380
should. I think we lean into the religious angles

01:22:22.380 --> 01:22:25.479
of it, definitely. I'm definitely intending to.

01:22:25.579 --> 01:22:27.600
You won't know unless you win the interrogation

01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:30.279
whether I'm a witch or not. But the version of

01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:32.399
me I'm presenting to you is that I am a good

01:22:32.399 --> 01:22:34.939
Christian woman. So I'm more than happy to recite

01:22:34.939 --> 01:22:37.359
the Lord's Prayer and probably lots of other

01:22:37.359 --> 01:22:40.739
things. Yeah. How about soaping of the mouth?

01:22:41.100 --> 01:22:48.970
Oof. Like, yes, but oof. Yes, mix. There's a

01:22:48.970 --> 01:22:50.850
few things that I've put on the list which might

01:22:50.850 --> 01:22:52.710
have some practical considerations because they

01:22:52.710 --> 01:22:56.750
definitely fit the vibe. But like from a, you

01:22:56.750 --> 01:22:59.689
know, the witch trials were not big on safety

01:22:59.689 --> 01:23:04.510
and risk. But I thought of, we have a salice,

01:23:04.649 --> 01:23:06.850
we have a shock collar, and we have a heretics

01:23:06.850 --> 01:23:11.270
fork. Yeah. And all of those would really fit

01:23:11.270 --> 01:23:13.289
the vibe really nicely. But one of the things

01:23:13.289 --> 01:23:15.210
I'm really worried about with the heretics fork,

01:23:15.270 --> 01:23:16.670
so if people don't know what a heretics fork

01:23:16.670 --> 01:23:20.920
is, it's basically a, a double -ended fork essentially.

01:23:21.020 --> 01:23:23.939
It's got two spiky bits either side and it sits

01:23:23.939 --> 01:23:27.420
between the person's chin and kind of the top

01:23:27.420 --> 01:23:30.239
of their chest. Yeah. And it's designed to kind

01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:33.479
of make them keep their head up and it's quite

01:23:33.479 --> 01:23:35.760
painful. One of the reasons why I haven't used

01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:39.500
that on you yet is on its own it's fine but if

01:23:39.500 --> 01:23:42.640
I'm doing other stuff to you if your head moves

01:23:42.640 --> 01:23:46.600
it's going to pierce you. Yeah. I mean, it's

01:23:46.600 --> 01:23:49.039
not super sharp. The one we have is quite a safe

01:23:49.039 --> 01:23:50.300
one. But yeah, if I'm really thrashing about,

01:23:50.420 --> 01:23:52.659
I could hurt myself. What I would suggest is

01:23:52.659 --> 01:23:54.720
that might be good for either while you're parading

01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:57.239
me about and announcing to everyone that you've

01:23:57.239 --> 01:24:00.520
caught a witch. Yeah. Or if we build in any periods

01:24:00.520 --> 01:24:03.699
of leaving me to sit and think about what I've

01:24:03.699 --> 01:24:06.060
done for a bit. Yeah. Put the heretics fork on,

01:24:06.140 --> 01:24:08.399
similar to how we had a posture collar when we

01:24:08.399 --> 01:24:10.680
did the first interrogation. Yeah. God, it's

01:24:10.680 --> 01:24:12.680
so exciting that that's the first interrogation

01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:20.369
now. it's finally coming yeah um and the shot

01:24:20.369 --> 01:24:24.770
collar it doesn't really fit the vibe i suppose

01:24:24.770 --> 01:24:28.750
it it is quite a modern thing that might feel

01:24:28.750 --> 01:24:32.229
out of place but but also it's fun the thing

01:24:32.229 --> 01:24:33.869
with the shot collar is though it doesn't generally

01:24:33.869 --> 01:24:36.890
bother me very much like it generally feels quite

01:24:36.890 --> 01:24:39.479
nice no that's true So it might be a bit too

01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:42.319
much of a break for me. I know your first ghost

01:24:42.319 --> 01:24:43.840
stuffing nettles inside me I'll quite enjoy,

01:24:43.960 --> 01:24:45.300
but if you do it five or six times, I'm going

01:24:45.300 --> 01:24:47.979
to stop enjoying it. The shot collar I can just

01:24:47.979 --> 01:24:50.060
kind of take all day and it actually diminishes

01:24:50.060 --> 01:24:55.800
over time. It gets less intense. True. However,

01:24:56.020 --> 01:24:58.140
even though I've just said, a bit too modern,

01:24:58.340 --> 01:25:02.659
if we have a spare quartery pen branding the

01:25:02.659 --> 01:25:06.590
word witch onto me. Could be quite true. I know

01:25:06.590 --> 01:25:08.329
I'll have to live with that for a real long time,

01:25:08.390 --> 01:25:11.609
but... Yeah, yeah. We could think about how we

01:25:11.609 --> 01:25:13.149
could do that in a way that is less likely to

01:25:13.149 --> 01:25:16.550
leave a scar. Like, do it really lightly. But

01:25:16.550 --> 01:25:20.189
I don't necessarily mind if it scars. I'm okay

01:25:20.189 --> 01:25:24.689
with that. Okay. Are there any parts of your

01:25:24.689 --> 01:25:26.470
body where you wouldn't want to do that, then?

01:25:27.350 --> 01:25:30.060
Like, across your forehead, probably. I mean,

01:25:30.079 --> 01:25:32.220
that's hot in theory, but yeah, not on my face

01:25:32.220 --> 01:25:35.140
or neck mix and not anywhere where I've got any

01:25:35.140 --> 01:25:39.520
existing tattoos or brands. Yeah. Other than

01:25:39.520 --> 01:25:43.960
that, no. Maybe that's because that is that is

01:25:43.960 --> 01:25:46.619
a big thing. But also it feels like that should

01:25:46.619 --> 01:25:49.920
be like a climax of the scene if you win. And

01:25:49.920 --> 01:25:53.659
I confess because you can't execute me. No, I

01:25:53.659 --> 01:25:56.560
am not. I will not resurrect if you do that.

01:25:56.619 --> 01:25:59.659
So the. conclusion of a witch trial once you

01:25:59.659 --> 01:26:01.479
got a confession would be that the person would

01:26:01.479 --> 01:26:03.720
be executed generally we can't do that so maybe

01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:05.279
that's what happens instead is i get branded

01:26:05.279 --> 01:26:09.539
as a witch yeah and if you don't win then you

01:26:09.539 --> 01:26:13.579
don't i don't no that is true i am not expecting

01:26:13.579 --> 01:26:17.279
to win this i'm not going into this with a winning

01:26:17.279 --> 01:26:19.960
mindset well that's something we need to talk

01:26:19.960 --> 01:26:21.500
about we'll go through the ideas of what to include

01:26:21.500 --> 01:26:24.500
but but then we need to talk about the parameters

01:26:24.500 --> 01:26:29.850
of it yeah yeah And the last thing I had is whether

01:26:29.850 --> 01:26:32.210
or not I am masked in some way. That could be

01:26:32.210 --> 01:26:34.489
quite hot. Also, your face when you're hurting

01:26:34.489 --> 01:26:37.210
me is quite hot. It's so difficult having so

01:26:37.210 --> 01:26:42.109
many kinks. Because the one that I was thinking

01:26:42.109 --> 01:26:45.210
about was like the Plague Doctor. One that we've

01:26:45.210 --> 01:26:50.689
got. Yeah. But a practical consideration is how

01:26:50.689 --> 01:26:53.890
hot am I going to get? Yeah. And will you be

01:26:53.890 --> 01:26:55.569
able to see all right? Will I be able to see

01:26:55.569 --> 01:26:57.970
well enough to know what's going on? Yeah. That

01:26:57.970 --> 01:27:01.090
could be quite fun. Different eras, I think.

01:27:01.449 --> 01:27:03.770
Yeah, I don't think we're going for perfect historical

01:27:03.770 --> 01:27:06.310
accuracy here. No, I'm not going to be wearing

01:27:06.310 --> 01:27:09.270
the big hat with the buckle on the front and

01:27:09.270 --> 01:27:12.970
stuff like that. You know, a big swooshy cloak.

01:27:13.949 --> 01:27:15.829
And the last thing I put, which I think is probably

01:27:15.829 --> 01:27:19.489
for the third interrogation rather than this

01:27:19.489 --> 01:27:26.340
one, or exorcism. Ooh. That could be the third

01:27:26.340 --> 01:27:28.319
interrogation, I think. Or the fourth, because

01:27:28.319 --> 01:27:30.260
we've also talked about the getting me to confess

01:27:30.260 --> 01:27:36.479
I'm an AI. Yeah, yeah. So those are the interrogation

01:27:36.479 --> 01:27:42.060
tactics that I had come up with. Nice. So we've

01:27:42.060 --> 01:27:43.859
got some overlap, I think. We're definitely thinking

01:27:43.859 --> 01:27:46.779
along similar lines. I had put on mine some level

01:27:46.779 --> 01:27:49.079
of public participation, get other people to

01:27:49.079 --> 01:27:52.390
check me for witch marks. ask people whether

01:27:52.390 --> 01:27:54.350
they think I'm a witch if we gather an audience.

01:27:54.630 --> 01:27:57.789
Yeah. I think it'd be quite fun. Yeah. And that

01:27:57.789 --> 01:27:59.390
goes to location, I suppose, doesn't it? If we

01:27:59.390 --> 01:28:00.750
do it somewhere that's a little bit more public,

01:28:00.789 --> 01:28:03.289
we might get people kind of stopping by. Yeah.

01:28:03.649 --> 01:28:05.930
Yeah. Even see if some of our friends want to

01:28:05.930 --> 01:28:08.550
be involved in giving evidence against me. Yeah.

01:28:11.010 --> 01:28:12.649
You've already mentioned about waterboarding,

01:28:12.810 --> 01:28:15.109
which was obviously on my list. Obviously. I

01:28:15.109 --> 01:28:17.789
put specifically whipping on the list because

01:28:17.789 --> 01:28:19.590
the unhinged whipping was very, very good last

01:28:19.590 --> 01:28:23.020
year and very, very awful. Yeah. And that feels

01:28:23.020 --> 01:28:26.079
like something that could be a part of torturing

01:28:26.079 --> 01:28:32.279
me. Yeah, definitely. I've put on my list sex

01:28:32.279 --> 01:28:36.479
violence, please. Shock. Definitely. I think

01:28:36.479 --> 01:28:39.300
like, again, it's bringing in the misogynistic

01:28:39.300 --> 01:28:43.020
elements of it. Like, yeah, sexual interference

01:28:43.020 --> 01:28:46.840
could be a good thing to do. Yeah, yeah. I'll

01:28:46.840 --> 01:28:49.260
be honest with you. I think that might be. I'm

01:28:49.260 --> 01:28:54.310
not saying no. obviously um but i wouldn't be

01:28:54.310 --> 01:28:56.510
surprised if because there's so much else going

01:28:56.510 --> 01:29:00.829
on my penis is like yeah maybe not yeah and i

01:29:00.829 --> 01:29:02.189
figured that might be the case especially if

01:29:02.189 --> 01:29:04.069
it does end up being quite public or gathering

01:29:04.069 --> 01:29:06.909
people watching but that doesn't mean that you

01:29:06.909 --> 01:29:12.409
can't do sexual stuff to me and verbally humiliate

01:29:12.409 --> 01:29:16.729
me for it yeah true just inserting random stuff

01:29:16.729 --> 01:29:20.840
and yeah making me like be really exposed and

01:29:20.840 --> 01:29:23.000
things like that yeah yeah there's elements that

01:29:23.000 --> 01:29:25.020
you could bring in yeah if your penis does want

01:29:25.020 --> 01:29:30.220
to get involved it is very welcome no it's not

01:29:30.220 --> 01:29:36.359
that's not the point i had also thought making

01:29:36.359 --> 01:29:40.199
me eat and or drink unpleasant things as sort

01:29:40.199 --> 01:29:43.460
of between rounds of torture be like you deserve

01:29:43.460 --> 01:29:45.279
a break you can have some food and drink and

01:29:45.279 --> 01:29:46.760
then it's a bottle of piss and a plate of cat

01:29:46.760 --> 01:29:52.979
food Yeah. For example. Or bin juice. I think

01:29:52.979 --> 01:29:55.720
about bin juice often. Yeah. I think about how

01:29:55.720 --> 01:29:57.300
it's probably not in my risk profile and then

01:29:57.300 --> 01:30:02.279
I think about bin juice some more. Bin juice

01:30:02.279 --> 01:30:05.979
from the campsite. Yeah. The communal bin juice.

01:30:06.020 --> 01:30:09.000
Communal bin juice. Oh my God. So obviously the

01:30:09.000 --> 01:30:11.359
kind of win or lose of it is if I confess, I

01:30:11.359 --> 01:30:15.010
lose. I get all the bad consequences of being

01:30:15.010 --> 01:30:18.149
declared a witch and I lose. If I don't confess

01:30:18.149 --> 01:30:24.270
and you give up at some point, then I win. So

01:30:24.270 --> 01:30:27.909
what we need to think about is whether we set

01:30:27.909 --> 01:30:30.470
a time limit on it, like we did with the first

01:30:30.470 --> 01:30:33.810
interrogation, whether we just do it open -ended

01:30:33.810 --> 01:30:37.210
until you've had enough, or whether we do it

01:30:37.210 --> 01:30:39.350
until I break and you commit to continuing until

01:30:39.350 --> 01:30:43.539
I break, because I will eventually. Yeah. Because

01:30:43.539 --> 01:30:45.420
then you could actually get a win. It's a fixed

01:30:45.420 --> 01:30:47.779
win, but it's still a win. Are you saying that

01:30:47.779 --> 01:30:49.439
we go into it knowing that you will break at

01:30:49.439 --> 01:30:53.560
some point? Or are we saying that it is attritional

01:30:53.560 --> 01:30:56.239
and I just have to keep going until you say that

01:30:56.239 --> 01:30:59.579
you're a witch? That one mix, yeah. Right. Because

01:30:59.579 --> 01:31:01.359
no one is immune to torture over a long enough

01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:04.859
period with severe enough torture. And I don't

01:31:04.859 --> 01:31:06.720
doubt for a second that you could break me. I

01:31:06.720 --> 01:31:09.189
just think it's going to take... More than the

01:31:09.189 --> 01:31:10.909
last time. Yeah. But I think also the psychological

01:31:10.909 --> 01:31:12.770
effect of going and knowing that it continues

01:31:12.770 --> 01:31:14.390
until I break would make it harder to withstand

01:31:14.390 --> 01:31:16.029
as well. So it would probably shorten the length

01:31:16.029 --> 01:31:18.130
of time I can actually hold out. Yeah, true.

01:31:18.270 --> 01:31:20.170
Where if we go into it, for example, going it's

01:31:20.170 --> 01:31:21.989
going to be 12 hours. It's like, right, I've

01:31:21.989 --> 01:31:24.449
just got to make it 12 hours. If I go into it

01:31:24.449 --> 01:31:26.890
knowing it doesn't stop until I break, I probably

01:31:26.890 --> 01:31:29.829
wouldn't make it 12 hours. Yeah. Because there's

01:31:29.829 --> 01:31:31.310
no benefit to me to doing that once I've had

01:31:31.310 --> 01:31:36.449
enough. Yeah. I don't know. I think I had in

01:31:36.449 --> 01:31:40.329
my head a fixed time. Okay. That doesn't mean

01:31:40.329 --> 01:31:44.329
we can't talk about that. The other thing that

01:31:44.329 --> 01:31:48.029
occurred to me is there is an inherent inevitability

01:31:48.029 --> 01:31:52.989
around a witch trial. Yeah. Very rarely did these

01:31:52.989 --> 01:31:56.289
women get off. Yeah. You know? Well, often they

01:31:56.289 --> 01:31:57.729
were tortured to death if they didn't confess,

01:31:57.829 --> 01:32:00.210
which, again, we can't do. Yeah. Not very rack

01:32:00.210 --> 01:32:06.289
of us. No. No. Which is why I asked whether the

01:32:06.289 --> 01:32:08.890
premise is you're guilty no matter what. Because

01:32:08.890 --> 01:32:12.409
that is how Witch Trials ended. They were guilty

01:32:12.409 --> 01:32:16.229
before they started. It was just torture. Yeah.

01:32:16.409 --> 01:32:20.510
For the sake of it. Yeah. I don't know. I like

01:32:20.510 --> 01:32:23.609
the idea of it being an attritional thing. I

01:32:23.609 --> 01:32:25.470
just don't know whether I've got that in me.

01:32:25.630 --> 01:32:30.010
Yeah. For an open -ended period of time. I need

01:32:30.010 --> 01:32:33.130
to know when it ends. Yeah. It's quite tricky.

01:32:33.560 --> 01:32:35.840
Because that was the thing with the original

01:32:35.840 --> 01:32:39.199
interrogation, was I knew when it ended. And

01:32:39.199 --> 01:32:41.619
whatever the outcome was, that was the outcome.

01:32:41.779 --> 01:32:43.800
It was a fixed period of time which I could plan

01:32:43.800 --> 01:32:48.739
for. Whereas having it be genuinely attritional

01:32:48.739 --> 01:32:51.979
makes it harder for me to plan. That makes sense.

01:32:52.000 --> 01:32:55.359
Where the escalation is, I suppose. I think if

01:32:55.359 --> 01:32:58.779
it's either a longer period of time or it's an

01:32:58.779 --> 01:33:01.380
open -ended period of time, maybe not thinking

01:33:01.380 --> 01:33:03.920
of it as needing to be an escalation. It needs

01:33:03.920 --> 01:33:08.199
to be relentless and consistent. Yeah. Or inconsistent,

01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:10.880
but there's a consistency to it in what you're

01:33:10.880 --> 01:33:14.859
doing where I am suffering throughout in various

01:33:14.859 --> 01:33:16.979
different ways. It doesn't have to be we start

01:33:16.979 --> 01:33:18.579
with the easiest thing and work up to the hardest.

01:33:18.899 --> 01:33:21.119
In some ways, it might even be harder to process

01:33:21.119 --> 01:33:23.180
if it doesn't go like that. You do something

01:33:23.180 --> 01:33:25.069
awful to me. And then you do something a bit

01:33:25.069 --> 01:33:27.210
less awful to me. And then you leave me to sit

01:33:27.210 --> 01:33:29.210
in it for a bit. And then you come back and you

01:33:29.210 --> 01:33:31.250
do something really awful. And then you go, do

01:33:31.250 --> 01:33:32.489
you want a break? And I go, oh, yes, please.

01:33:32.569 --> 01:33:33.909
And you give me a bottle of water and it's piss.

01:33:34.449 --> 01:33:36.010
And then you do something awful to me again.

01:33:36.550 --> 01:33:38.970
It's like that doesn't necessarily has to escalate.

01:33:38.970 --> 01:33:43.090
It just has to persist. Yeah, that's true. Because

01:33:43.090 --> 01:33:47.069
I think one of the things that made it so hard

01:33:47.069 --> 01:33:49.090
to plan a second interrogation is we really threw

01:33:49.090 --> 01:33:51.189
the kitchen sink at the first one. We did everything.

01:33:51.850 --> 01:33:53.310
that you could think of to make me suffer in

01:33:53.310 --> 01:33:55.149
a space of three hours. And then it's like, where

01:33:55.149 --> 01:33:57.329
do we go from here? And I think the answer is

01:33:57.329 --> 01:34:00.850
we put less in, not more, not anything new necessarily.

01:34:01.149 --> 01:34:02.789
We've obviously got a new narrative for this

01:34:02.789 --> 01:34:06.109
one, like a new theme going on. But you could

01:34:06.109 --> 01:34:09.229
do this entire scene cycling between some form

01:34:09.229 --> 01:34:12.890
of water torture, some form of unpleasant vaginal

01:34:12.890 --> 01:34:18.050
insertion, preferably with nettles, sort of beatings

01:34:18.050 --> 01:34:21.979
and whippings. Yeah. And... and like periods

01:34:21.979 --> 01:34:24.000
of not actually fully leaving me alone especially

01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:29.060
if i'm restrained but like withdrawing and telling

01:34:29.060 --> 01:34:32.079
me to sort of like pray for forgiveness and think

01:34:32.079 --> 01:34:33.939
about what i've done and all of this stuff and

01:34:33.939 --> 01:34:36.060
then come back and it starts again and it goes

01:34:36.060 --> 01:34:39.100
into a cycle it doesn't have to be every time

01:34:39.100 --> 01:34:40.560
you come into the room something worse is going

01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:43.140
to happen it's every time you come back the pain

01:34:43.140 --> 01:34:45.840
continues yeah that's true sorry this is not

01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:47.340
a good podcast is it because i'm staring off

01:34:47.340 --> 01:34:49.090
into the i will i will cut the bit what used

01:34:49.090 --> 01:34:50.569
to happen to space it's fine this is also our

01:34:50.569 --> 01:34:52.409
planning time i will just i will edit and you

01:34:52.409 --> 01:34:53.909
don't have to commit to a decision right now

01:34:53.909 --> 01:34:56.949
no like this is our first planning session but

01:34:56.949 --> 01:34:58.850
this is to get an outline this is to get a rough

01:34:58.850 --> 01:35:00.430
kind of timeline of what we're going to do when

01:35:00.430 --> 01:35:02.670
so i guess the approximate length of the interrogation

01:35:02.670 --> 01:35:05.109
factors into the timeline yeah but i think if

01:35:05.109 --> 01:35:07.810
we dedicate a day to the interrogation and if

01:35:07.810 --> 01:35:09.590
it ends up being a short one because i break

01:35:09.590 --> 01:35:12.069
in 20 minutes it's not likely but it could happen

01:35:12.069 --> 01:35:14.800
um Then we can find something else to do. We'll

01:35:14.800 --> 01:35:16.300
have plenty of kit with us. But if we dedicate

01:35:16.300 --> 01:35:19.760
a day for the interrogation. Yeah. I think that's

01:35:19.760 --> 01:35:23.479
smart and wise. Yeah, I think so. I suppose one

01:35:23.479 --> 01:35:25.060
of the things that I am forgetting, I guess,

01:35:25.100 --> 01:35:27.779
is my agency in that as well. Yeah. Is that I

01:35:27.779 --> 01:35:30.800
can just stop. Yeah. And then, no, I'm done.

01:35:31.539 --> 01:35:33.479
Exactly. Like, interrogation is one of the things

01:35:33.479 --> 01:35:35.319
where both of us actually really always will

01:35:35.319 --> 01:35:37.460
have an instant stop. You're the interrogator.

01:35:37.460 --> 01:35:38.899
You can stop any time that you've had enough.

01:35:39.239 --> 01:35:42.270
Yeah. And you can stop that. in character and

01:35:42.270 --> 01:35:44.229
go you know what fuck it we don't need your confession

01:35:44.229 --> 01:35:46.270
we're going to kill you anyway or brand you or

01:35:46.270 --> 01:35:47.670
whatever we decide is going to be the consequence

01:35:47.670 --> 01:35:50.710
or you can just stop it as yourself and go actually

01:35:50.710 --> 01:35:53.649
carizal i'm done i want to cuddle yeah you're

01:35:53.649 --> 01:35:55.390
allowed to do that and i can stop at any time

01:35:55.390 --> 01:35:58.989
by cooperating yeah true if you were if you were

01:35:58.989 --> 01:36:00.550
going to do a fixed length what were you thinking

01:36:00.550 --> 01:36:02.069
nick we're not much longer than we've done before

01:36:02.069 --> 01:36:04.590
okay i think partly because i know i can achieve

01:36:04.590 --> 01:36:09.100
that yeah because i have um But also I think

01:36:09.100 --> 01:36:11.720
partly because until you just said, let's put

01:36:11.720 --> 01:36:14.159
aside the entire day for the interrogation, that's

01:36:14.159 --> 01:36:16.279
the only thing we plan to do that day. I was

01:36:16.279 --> 01:36:17.880
also partly thinking, crikey, there's a lot to

01:36:17.880 --> 01:36:20.619
do. Yeah. We've got a lot of plans. We'll want

01:36:20.619 --> 01:36:24.020
to be spending time with the people who are there,

01:36:24.159 --> 01:36:28.180
just chilling out, stuff like that. So I think

01:36:28.180 --> 01:36:32.119
I'd assumed a more fixed period because it's

01:36:32.119 --> 01:36:35.810
part of a timetable. Yeah. I suppose. That's

01:36:35.810 --> 01:36:37.050
fair. And I'm not saying we won't do anything

01:36:37.050 --> 01:36:39.489
else that day. I'm saying we don't commit to

01:36:39.489 --> 01:36:41.729
something else has to fit on that day. Yeah.

01:36:42.109 --> 01:36:44.630
I think I'm happy to plan on the assumption that

01:36:44.630 --> 01:36:48.550
it is attritional, so it's not a fixed period

01:36:48.550 --> 01:36:51.710
of time, but a little bit more detail, I suppose,

01:36:51.789 --> 01:36:54.859
of kind of thinking through the... of that and

01:36:54.859 --> 01:36:57.479
going back through those stages of the witch

01:36:57.479 --> 01:37:00.279
trial, not just the interrogation bit of building

01:37:00.279 --> 01:37:02.319
up a bit of a plan for that part of it as well.

01:37:02.659 --> 01:37:05.039
Yeah. Because I think that part of it, the accusation

01:37:05.039 --> 01:37:07.479
and hauling you off and stuff like that, a little

01:37:07.479 --> 01:37:09.319
bit of a sequence to that would help for me.

01:37:09.739 --> 01:37:11.640
Yeah, definitely. And I've got some thoughts

01:37:11.640 --> 01:37:13.739
there. I think there could be things that I could

01:37:13.739 --> 01:37:15.779
take to have hidden amongst my possessions that

01:37:15.779 --> 01:37:18.439
will be suspicious. I mean, I actually am a pagan.

01:37:18.520 --> 01:37:20.960
I do practice witchcraft, so there's plenty of

01:37:20.960 --> 01:37:23.100
weird shit that I can... bring that would be

01:37:23.100 --> 01:37:25.140
very suspicious for me to have on my person if

01:37:25.140 --> 01:37:27.659
you want me to scatter in some suspicious behavior

01:37:27.659 --> 01:37:30.319
yeah i can absolutely do that so that can be

01:37:30.319 --> 01:37:33.140
part of the build -up yeah um they'll then be

01:37:33.140 --> 01:37:36.199
the the accusation which as as you say maybe

01:37:36.199 --> 01:37:38.619
try to do that quite publicly quite dramatically

01:37:38.619 --> 01:37:41.500
quite theatrical yeah yeah um really getting

01:37:41.500 --> 01:37:43.649
inspired by there's an episode that You guys

01:37:43.649 --> 01:37:45.229
haven't heard yet, but we have recorded where

01:37:45.229 --> 01:37:46.649
we were talking about roleplay and gamification.

01:37:47.270 --> 01:37:49.109
Yeah. And I'd always been like, no, I'd be so

01:37:49.109 --> 01:37:51.029
cringe. I can't act. I can't do roleplay. And

01:37:51.029 --> 01:37:52.789
I have been inspired. It's like, no, let's like,

01:37:52.829 --> 01:37:55.989
let's go absolutely fucking nuts with this. Yeah,

01:37:55.989 --> 01:38:01.430
yeah. I'm really up for it. So, yeah, like make

01:38:01.430 --> 01:38:04.810
sure that the accusation part is like dramatic.

01:38:05.689 --> 01:38:08.090
And then we go into the torture and interrogation,

01:38:08.109 --> 01:38:10.449
which we know very, very well. Yes, we know that

01:38:10.449 --> 01:38:15.340
bit. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's work on the

01:38:15.340 --> 01:38:17.079
assumption that it's until one of us breaks.

01:38:17.819 --> 01:38:21.260
Okay. However that looks. Yeah. For either of

01:38:21.260 --> 01:38:25.060
us. See where we land up, I think? Yes. Would

01:38:25.060 --> 01:38:27.720
be. Because I think you make a really good point

01:38:27.720 --> 01:38:29.579
about if you know how long it's going to last

01:38:29.579 --> 01:38:35.020
and you won't have access to time, but as we

01:38:35.020 --> 01:38:37.840
have demonstrated, or as you have demonstrated,

01:38:38.079 --> 01:38:42.470
you have a way of marking time. I do, but I'm

01:38:42.470 --> 01:38:44.750
going to make two commitments to you, Mix. I

01:38:44.750 --> 01:38:46.729
am going to speak to you during this interrogation.

01:38:47.010 --> 01:38:49.130
Right. And I'm not using music as any part of

01:38:49.130 --> 01:38:51.649
my strategy this time. Fair enough. You're two

01:38:51.649 --> 01:38:54.310
chief weapons. Yeah. I've already got a new strategy.

01:38:54.489 --> 01:38:57.850
It's fine. Oh, have you? Yes, Mix. Oh, really?

01:38:58.029 --> 01:39:01.510
Yeah. What's your strategy? You will not find

01:39:01.510 --> 01:39:03.409
that out, Mix. You'll have to torture that out

01:39:03.409 --> 01:39:05.250
of me. I'll have to torture it out of you. Yeah.

01:39:05.310 --> 01:39:07.789
Do a pre -interrogation interrogation. What's

01:39:07.789 --> 01:39:13.119
your strategy? interesting because i think that's

01:39:13.119 --> 01:39:16.340
what fucked me up last time was partly i guess

01:39:16.340 --> 01:39:19.600
not realizing until afterwards that a fixed period

01:39:19.600 --> 01:39:21.859
of time gives you something to aim at and you

01:39:21.859 --> 01:39:24.539
just have to last yeah x amount of time and you

01:39:24.539 --> 01:39:27.560
know when it ends but i did go in with that kind

01:39:27.560 --> 01:39:30.420
of throw everything throw everything at it sort

01:39:30.420 --> 01:39:35.510
of yeah vibe So kind of less is more, I suppose.

01:39:36.050 --> 01:39:37.569
Yeah, because I think that was one of the things

01:39:37.569 --> 01:39:39.869
that actually made it weirdly easier for me to

01:39:39.869 --> 01:39:42.890
tough out is, yes, there was a continuous escalation.

01:39:42.890 --> 01:39:44.210
Yeah, every time you came in the room, something

01:39:44.210 --> 01:39:46.770
worse happened. But I knew I only had to cope

01:39:46.770 --> 01:39:49.069
with it for a few minutes at a time. Yeah. 15,

01:39:49.270 --> 01:39:51.890
20 minutes tops. Yeah. And then you would do

01:39:51.890 --> 01:39:53.390
something else and I would get a break from that

01:39:53.390 --> 01:39:55.770
thing at least. And so I was having to not even

01:39:55.770 --> 01:39:58.390
just I knew I had to survive three hours. It

01:39:58.390 --> 01:40:00.350
was that I knew I had to survive the next 10

01:40:00.350 --> 01:40:02.680
minutes. yeah and then i had to do it again but

01:40:02.680 --> 01:40:04.760
with something different where if there are more

01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:07.000
sustained periods or repeated periods of the

01:40:07.000 --> 01:40:08.579
same thing over and over again that's going to

01:40:08.579 --> 01:40:10.020
get harder because it's going to build up in

01:40:10.020 --> 01:40:12.100
my head every time yeah yeah you know if you

01:40:12.100 --> 01:40:13.859
come in and whip me for a few minutes and then

01:40:13.859 --> 01:40:15.199
take a step back and then you come in and whip

01:40:15.199 --> 01:40:17.140
me again the next time you come in i know i'm

01:40:17.140 --> 01:40:18.500
going to get whipped and i already know how that

01:40:18.500 --> 01:40:22.300
feels yeah yeah and there's something like psychologically

01:40:22.300 --> 01:40:24.920
destructive about that yeah that's what we're

01:40:24.920 --> 01:40:31.079
going for like psychological destruction oh good

01:40:31.079 --> 01:40:33.319
grief because there's like three ways that this

01:40:33.319 --> 01:40:37.840
ends either either i don't confess and either

01:40:37.840 --> 01:40:40.239
you break at some point or we just need to go

01:40:40.239 --> 01:40:45.000
to bed um or i confess and you find out i am

01:40:45.000 --> 01:40:47.380
a witch that is my character i'm confessing that

01:40:47.380 --> 01:40:50.119
i am a real witch or i break and i give a very

01:40:50.119 --> 01:40:52.100
obviously false confession just so that you'll

01:40:52.100 --> 01:40:54.720
stop yeah those are the the three things that

01:40:54.720 --> 01:40:58.899
might happen yeah yeah true So will you tell

01:40:58.899 --> 01:41:00.579
me whether you are going into it with the mindset

01:41:00.579 --> 01:41:02.960
that you are a witch or not a witch? No, it makes

01:41:02.960 --> 01:41:04.180
the whole point is for you to find out whether

01:41:04.180 --> 01:41:08.600
or not I'm a witch. Okay. True. Okay. So are

01:41:08.600 --> 01:41:10.840
there any other practical safety things that

01:41:10.840 --> 01:41:14.180
we need to think about with it? I think it would

01:41:14.180 --> 01:41:16.579
be good if any of our friends who are going want

01:41:16.579 --> 01:41:18.939
to be involved in some level in the scene. I

01:41:18.939 --> 01:41:21.479
think having someone for you to talk to if you

01:41:21.479 --> 01:41:23.699
do step away from me for a minute. Might help

01:41:23.699 --> 01:41:25.460
you. Or someone you can even delegate some of

01:41:25.460 --> 01:41:27.439
the duties to. We'll definitely need to think

01:41:27.439 --> 01:41:30.039
about. Whether you want to incorporate anything.

01:41:30.239 --> 01:41:31.960
Into the torture that's going to break skin.

01:41:33.119 --> 01:41:34.859
Which so far from what we've talked about. It

01:41:34.859 --> 01:41:37.960
sounds like probably not. So that would suggest

01:41:37.960 --> 01:41:40.140
for me. Putting it a little bit earlier in the

01:41:40.140 --> 01:41:42.539
week. So that you're going in with a fresh slate.

01:41:43.199 --> 01:41:46.079
And you're not having to work around. Like a

01:41:46.079 --> 01:41:49.060
healing brand. Healing wounds from spiky impact.

01:41:49.180 --> 01:41:53.560
Things like that. I think we need to. Plan that

01:41:53.560 --> 01:41:55.979
we'll probably need to do quite extended aftercare

01:41:55.979 --> 01:41:57.920
and might have some drop because you definitely

01:41:57.920 --> 01:41:59.979
did after the last interrogation and like immediately

01:41:59.979 --> 01:42:01.979
after I was physically exhausted and physically

01:42:01.979 --> 01:42:04.159
dropping pretty hard. And then you were feeling

01:42:04.159 --> 01:42:07.300
a bit out of sorts the next day. Yeah. So we've

01:42:07.300 --> 01:42:09.560
got that awkward thing of it needs to be fairly

01:42:09.560 --> 01:42:12.619
early in the weekend so we can do heavy physical

01:42:12.619 --> 01:42:15.420
stuff afterwards. But if it's early in the weekend,

01:42:15.600 --> 01:42:17.720
it's going to cost us a little bit of time. That's

01:42:17.720 --> 01:42:20.720
the trade off. Yeah. I think it's going to be

01:42:20.720 --> 01:42:22.500
workable because the scenes that we've talked

01:42:22.500 --> 01:42:24.000
about so far, there were a couple that were pretty

01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:25.680
light that I think you'll probably be up to the

01:42:25.680 --> 01:42:28.760
next day and I almost certainly will be. So if

01:42:28.760 --> 01:42:30.220
there's anything else you want to talk about

01:42:30.220 --> 01:42:31.920
on the witch trial, let's do it. And if not,

01:42:31.939 --> 01:42:34.000
let's jump into some timetabling. Yeah, it might

01:42:34.000 --> 01:42:36.720
be handy to have like a couple of spotters. Not

01:42:36.720 --> 01:42:39.760
necessarily for the scene itself, although that

01:42:39.760 --> 01:42:41.760
is also a good idea. But for like afterwards

01:42:41.760 --> 01:42:43.619
and, you know, kind of think through really silly

01:42:43.619 --> 01:42:45.239
things like, OK, so what are we going to eat

01:42:45.239 --> 01:42:49.670
after we're done? Yeah. You know. I'm happy to

01:42:49.670 --> 01:42:52.510
kind of leave and go to Domino's and stuff like

01:42:52.510 --> 01:42:55.510
that as I sit today. But actually, if I'm in

01:42:55.510 --> 01:42:58.489
a complete state, somebody needs to go. Yeah.

01:42:58.710 --> 01:43:01.310
And get us some food or at least go to the gate.

01:43:01.569 --> 01:43:05.369
Yeah. And receive a delivery sort of thing. So

01:43:05.369 --> 01:43:07.510
kind of having somebody on hand who could step

01:43:07.510 --> 01:43:10.189
into that role if needed might be helpful. Or

01:43:10.189 --> 01:43:12.609
being organised and getting food first. Like,

01:43:12.630 --> 01:43:15.479
I'm quite happy to eat cold pizza. Yeah. Order

01:43:15.479 --> 01:43:17.199
of dominoes before we do the scene. Stick it

01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:19.739
in our tent. Yeah, that's a good shout. Yeah,

01:43:19.779 --> 01:43:22.979
something like that. Okie doke. So yes, let's...

01:43:22.979 --> 01:43:27.079
Are we timetabling or prioritising? Little of

01:43:27.079 --> 01:43:29.800
both, I think, Mix. But accepting that the later

01:43:29.800 --> 01:43:31.899
down the list things are, potentially the more

01:43:31.899 --> 01:43:37.279
risk is that they don't happen. Yeah. So what

01:43:37.279 --> 01:43:41.979
have we got that's relatively short, Mix? Thinking

01:43:41.979 --> 01:43:46.399
about the Wednesday. Public ashtray. Pig play.

01:43:47.520 --> 01:43:51.420
Fairly short. Woodland rape play. Fairly short.

01:43:51.699 --> 01:43:56.600
Yeah. So I'm thinking save the ashtray for two

01:43:56.600 --> 01:43:58.859
reasons. One, save it for after the interrogation

01:43:58.859 --> 01:44:00.399
because that's something that's not intense on

01:44:00.399 --> 01:44:04.979
either of us at all. But also two, because some

01:44:04.979 --> 01:44:07.899
people don't go from the Wednesday onwards. Some

01:44:07.899 --> 01:44:09.560
people only turn up at the weekend. So the more

01:44:09.560 --> 01:44:11.319
people we've got on site, the better for a...

01:44:12.199 --> 01:44:16.300
public use scene yeah um so put public astray

01:44:16.300 --> 01:44:18.300
on a saturday yeah i think put it on the saturday

01:44:18.300 --> 01:44:22.199
mix yeah which then makes me immediately think

01:44:22.199 --> 01:44:24.899
friday for the witch trial yeah i was thinking

01:44:24.899 --> 01:44:29.079
that to be fair yeah because my my instinctive

01:44:29.079 --> 01:44:31.180
thought well let's do that on the thursday but

01:44:31.180 --> 01:44:34.140
if we do that on the thursday and we are fucked

01:44:34.140 --> 01:44:37.060
for the next two days then we're fucked for the

01:44:37.060 --> 01:44:39.359
next two days yeah but at the very it's a worst

01:44:39.359 --> 01:44:42.949
case scenario do it on the friday then saturday

01:44:42.949 --> 01:44:45.729
is the day that we lose yeah because we're not

01:44:45.729 --> 01:44:49.170
planning on doing anything sunday no no mix so

01:44:49.170 --> 01:44:53.229
you've got all day wednesday all day thursday

01:44:53.229 --> 01:44:56.149
to do other stuff friday is the witch trial and

01:44:56.149 --> 01:44:58.210
then saturday plan to do a bunch of stuff but

01:44:58.210 --> 01:45:00.670
it's almost like a bonus yeah the problem i've

01:45:00.670 --> 01:45:02.329
now spotted is we probably don't want to do anything

01:45:02.329 --> 01:45:04.779
that's causing wounding before the witch trial

01:45:04.779 --> 01:45:08.039
like we said oh yeah so maybe we do go Thursday

01:45:08.039 --> 01:45:10.880
for the witch trial we go ashtray for the Friday

01:45:10.880 --> 01:45:14.260
and we go branding for the Friday Friday is just

01:45:14.260 --> 01:45:17.939
the day of burning stuff because neither of those

01:45:17.939 --> 01:45:19.979
are psychologically intense and neither of them

01:45:19.979 --> 01:45:21.939
are physically intense particularly for you but

01:45:21.939 --> 01:45:23.800
also for me those are things that I can do quite

01:45:23.800 --> 01:45:27.960
comfortably yeah and then we do bloody Saturday

01:45:27.960 --> 01:45:30.960
because hopefully by then we'll have recovered

01:45:30.960 --> 01:45:35.109
bloody Saturday Bloody Saturday. What does that

01:45:35.109 --> 01:45:37.789
leave us to still placemix? So we've got the

01:45:37.789 --> 01:45:43.670
witch trial. We've got the bloody Saturday. We've

01:45:43.670 --> 01:45:45.890
got the brand. We've got the ashtray. That leaves

01:45:45.890 --> 01:45:50.550
us with woodland break play, pig play and full

01:45:50.550 --> 01:45:54.810
day of nudity. Awesome. So Wednesday could be

01:45:54.810 --> 01:45:57.270
pig play. That seems like something that's not

01:45:57.270 --> 01:45:59.609
going to be super draining after we've travelled

01:45:59.609 --> 01:46:03.579
loads. Yeah. And Wednesday could also be woodland

01:46:03.579 --> 01:46:05.300
rape play, if you think that's a good place to

01:46:05.300 --> 01:46:06.619
put it. Or I don't know if you want more time

01:46:06.619 --> 01:46:08.939
to like settle into the site and get comfy before

01:46:08.939 --> 01:46:13.800
doing sex in the woods. Sex in the woods. Because

01:46:13.800 --> 01:46:15.479
that could also be a Saturday one, if not, because

01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:16.800
I think all we've got on Saturday is the blood

01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:20.000
play. So far. And you've got your full day of

01:46:20.000 --> 01:46:22.000
nudity as well. Yeah, which could be literally

01:46:22.000 --> 01:46:25.000
any of them. Yeah. I probably want a bra on for

01:46:25.000 --> 01:46:28.800
the witch trial. Yeah. So any day other than

01:46:28.800 --> 01:46:31.119
Thursday. Couldn't be a full day of nudity. And

01:46:31.119 --> 01:46:32.899
Wednesday is not a full day and neither is Sunday.

01:46:33.020 --> 01:46:36.739
So Friday, naked ashtray. Naked ashtray and branding.

01:46:37.020 --> 01:46:40.000
Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Everything fits perfectly.

01:46:41.800 --> 01:46:43.279
There'll be workshops and stuff we potentially

01:46:43.279 --> 01:46:45.840
want to go to as well that will control the times

01:46:45.840 --> 01:46:48.960
of things a little bit. Yeah, completely forgot

01:46:48.960 --> 01:46:51.329
about that. The whole educational element to

01:46:51.329 --> 01:46:54.689
the, I'm like hanging out with people. Yeah.

01:46:54.970 --> 01:46:57.170
But like I said, none of these scenes are going

01:46:57.170 --> 01:46:59.710
to require us to be like 100 % doing it all day,

01:46:59.789 --> 01:47:03.069
except potentially the witch trial. So we can

01:47:03.069 --> 01:47:05.750
look at what workshops are on and plan our day

01:47:05.750 --> 01:47:08.750
around it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. A good chunk of

01:47:08.750 --> 01:47:11.609
Wednesday, I think, given some of the other things,

01:47:11.710 --> 01:47:14.710
will be spent kind of wandering around and scoping

01:47:14.710 --> 01:47:18.760
out. Definitely. Well, that's fun. Yeah. That's

01:47:18.760 --> 01:47:20.880
quite an exciting plan, isn't it? Yeah, we've

01:47:20.880 --> 01:47:22.880
done really well as well. I was thinking like

01:47:22.880 --> 01:47:25.779
we might only get a very vague plan sorted today

01:47:25.779 --> 01:47:27.579
or a couple of scenes planned, but not everything.

01:47:27.680 --> 01:47:30.199
But I think we've got our key scenes for the

01:47:30.199 --> 01:47:33.619
weekend sorted. Yeah, yeah. It was starting to

01:47:33.619 --> 01:47:36.340
dawn on me that it's in like a month. Same. Yeah,

01:47:36.399 --> 01:47:38.199
I felt like we planned way further ahead last

01:47:38.199 --> 01:47:40.100
time, but it was our first one. So again, we

01:47:40.100 --> 01:47:41.359
kind of threw the kitchen sink at it. It's like,

01:47:41.460 --> 01:47:43.539
okay, what is every kink that we like and how

01:47:43.539 --> 01:47:45.039
many of them can we cram into a long weekend?

01:47:45.300 --> 01:47:46.920
I don't know whether we did because we didn't

01:47:46.920 --> 01:47:49.140
get our tickets until quite close to the time.

01:47:49.420 --> 01:47:51.279
No, but we still planned really early mix just

01:47:51.279 --> 01:47:53.119
in case we managed to get tickets. Oh, did we?

01:47:53.260 --> 01:47:54.979
Yeah, yeah. We'd already got a full plan before

01:47:54.979 --> 01:47:57.439
we got our tickets. Sounds very on brand. Yeah.

01:47:58.960 --> 01:48:02.420
Okay. So which of these, I think the only one

01:48:02.420 --> 01:48:04.579
that we really need to write up, I suppose, is

01:48:04.579 --> 01:48:08.100
probably the witch trial. Yeah. Well, we're a

01:48:08.100 --> 01:48:10.439
little bit later planning than we were last year,

01:48:10.500 --> 01:48:12.779
but that's a pretty good plan. Yeah. I think.

01:48:13.800 --> 01:48:18.000
I am very excited. Yeah. Some things to think

01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:22.239
through, but that of a really cool, start of

01:48:22.239 --> 01:48:24.359
a really cool weekend, I think. Yeah. Wrong weekend.

01:48:24.760 --> 01:48:29.310
Yeah. Better part of a week. Yeah. And we'll

01:48:29.310 --> 01:48:32.289
definitely be talking about our camping adventures

01:48:32.289 --> 01:48:35.890
on the August bonus episode on Patreon. Yeah.

01:48:35.949 --> 01:48:37.890
But depending on how cool some of the things

01:48:37.890 --> 01:48:40.250
we get up to are, they may make it into the main

01:48:40.250 --> 01:48:42.069
podcast as well. We generally talk about our

01:48:42.069 --> 01:48:44.869
adventures every month on Patreon, but some of

01:48:44.869 --> 01:48:46.789
this stuff has the potential to be a whole episode

01:48:46.789 --> 01:48:49.649
in itself. I feel like I'm not promising anything

01:48:49.649 --> 01:48:51.569
because I might break in 20 minutes and we've

01:48:51.569 --> 01:48:53.829
got nothing to say about it. But an episode on

01:48:53.829 --> 01:48:56.659
the witch trial could be good. yeah that episode

01:48:56.659 --> 01:48:58.380
would basically be me going it's a piece of piss

01:48:58.380 --> 01:49:04.199
piece of cake definite witch i mean you know

01:49:04.199 --> 01:49:07.340
that from the um day that i was putting together

01:49:07.340 --> 01:49:09.260
some pendulums for a friend in the living room

01:49:09.260 --> 01:49:12.039
and started chatting to spirits in here and sent

01:49:12.039 --> 01:49:13.880
a video in the group chat and you texted back

01:49:13.880 --> 01:49:18.140
in all caps what are you summoning yes yes yeah

01:49:19.310 --> 01:49:21.630
And I suppose that's the... I have to win the

01:49:21.630 --> 01:49:23.590
interrogation because you are literally a witch.

01:49:24.029 --> 01:49:26.449
I know, but that's why I'm stepping a bit more

01:49:26.449 --> 01:49:28.770
outside of me and I have a character. You won't

01:49:28.770 --> 01:49:30.970
know if my character's a witch. You've got to

01:49:30.970 --> 01:49:35.069
find out if she's a witch. I will. Best of luck

01:49:35.069 --> 01:49:41.130
to you. I already know. I'm going to make your

01:49:41.130 --> 01:49:48.239
day hell. I see. Two can play that game. Well,

01:49:48.260 --> 01:49:49.979
I think we're done. I think we are mixed, yeah.

01:49:50.420 --> 01:49:53.560
Hopefully you have been able to edit that into

01:49:53.560 --> 01:49:56.039
something usable. I'm sure I will mix. To be

01:49:56.039 --> 01:49:58.119
honest, a lot of that, I think it flowed really

01:49:58.119 --> 01:49:59.539
well. You could tell we were in podcast mode,

01:49:59.640 --> 01:50:01.380
not just our normal negotiation mode. I think

01:50:01.380 --> 01:50:04.699
we did a good job. Yes. I think we have definitely

01:50:04.699 --> 01:50:07.359
earned a cup of tea and a cigarette mix. That

01:50:07.359 --> 01:50:09.800
sounds like a great plan. Amazing. Bye. Bye.

01:50:27.279 --> 01:50:29.199
See you next time.