Welcome to Don't Scare the Newbies, a podcast
where we talk kink, raw and unfiltered. I'm Carisel,
a lifestyle submissive in a 24 -7 dynamic who
likes their kink heavy, intense and scary. And
I'm S, Carisel's dominant who knows how to deliver
all of the above. And today we're going to be
talking about hypno kink. We've got a couple
of guests who are going to tell us all about
it. You're going to be very sleepy, very, very
sleepy. So we have guests today. Welcome, Edward
and Lana. Do you want to introduce yourselves?
Hello, I'm Edward. I am the hypnotist of the
two of us. I'm, you know, interested in it. I
quite like the control of it and all that sort
of stuff. I'm Lana. For the functions of the
podcast, I'm essentially the subject in the relationship.
So I'm the one that gets all of the hypnosis
stuff done to me. Excellent stuff. But you're
a couple? Yes. Yeah, but do you want to tell
us a little bit about your dynamic and your relationship
as well? So we are husband and wife. We've been
married for about a year now, but in total we've
been together six, I believe. And we're in a
24 -7 master -slave dynamic. Have been like that
for the past year as well. So we moved in together.
after getting married and then immediately moved
into master's life 24 -7 full -time. It was a
little bit abrupt, but you know. Yeah, it was
pretty abrupt. It was like, well, now we're officially
legally, I'm your property, essentially. That's
how we live like it. That was a little bit of
the approach, yeah. A little bit, yeah. All the
commitments and all the admin as well. Like,
let's just make everything as official as possible.
We'd never, because we were in a long -distance
relationship for five years. He lived in America
and I lived in England. We moved in together,
got married, and then we're in a master -slave
dynamic all within three months. Wow. It was
very just, like, whole commitment immediately.
Excellent stuff. And I thought we moved pretty
quick. That is impressive. Yeah. We were doing
it for five years before that, but not nearly
to that extent. No, the distance made it hard
to be, because I'm riddled with neurodivergency,
staying on track with rules and tasks and things
was so hard without the physical, like, I'll
say motivation. To stay well behaved. So the
second you were a threat in my life. It became
much more approachable. Yes, it did. I love that.
Second, you'll be famous. That's one of the things
I always enjoy about talking to you is I can
end up getting you in trouble with my suggestions.
Like yesterday when you were saying that you
were having a hard time getting sex and I suggested
that you grip Edward by the head and go, give
me your penis, which has never worked for me,
but I thought it was worth a try and it got you
in trouble. Yeah, it did. I said I'll be back
in five minutes and I think it was 25 minutes
and I was like, no, there was consequences and
it was horrible. Thank you. I did get the penis
though. So it did all work out in the end. So
there are no consequences for my actions. Anarchy
rules. You can try it again and see if that works
out for you. Okay, I will. It's never worked
for me. So you've got a better success rate than
me. Nice. I'll take that. But that's deliberate.
Like we've talked about this. The more you hootle
for orgasms and penis and whatever, the less
likely you are to get it just because it amuses
me to torture you in that way. Because as soon
as you did it and reported that it was successful,
they leaned over. Hands on my head. Give me your
penis. No, I'm watching maths. Yeah, I think
I caught him when there was nothing better for
him to do other than talk to me. So it was full
luck, perfect opportunity. Yeah, luck was on
my side, I think. it was like this morning i'm
like i think i'm past the point where i get particularly
nervous about having guests on the podcast but
i was cleaning the kitchen i do like one big
room clean every week and generally keep the
place tidy as part of the service in our dynamic
and i was quite anxious doing that i was like
normally if people are coming over like i'm satisfied
with the job i've done but i'm so conscious you
have the same sort of dynamic service it's like
so lana's gonna be judging my skills as a submissive
edward's gonna be judging mix but like not keeping
me on task well enough if it's not spotless like
the kitchen's got to be perfect i get that with
all of my submissive friends because they're
not slaves in the same way they're not in service
dynamics but they come over and i'm like it has
to be spotless because other s types will judge
me on my leg so they never do but i'm like it's
always there and it's oh it's terrible so your
dynamic is much more than hypnotic you got that
24 7 domestic yeah um free use as well i think
yes we are free use um i don't have sexual safe
words and we're currently working towards no
kink safe words as well right um it's been very
led by sir because um i'm very like hit me with
your car like remove all of the safe words immediately
yeah and he's very like maybe we don't do that
maybe we work up to it maybe we take our time
maybe we don't start with the car yeah start
with the bike move upwards yeah That might be
the least surprising thing I've ever heard you
say. And I'm very much the same. I knew going
no safe word is a big commitment and it increases
sort of consent risks and relational risks. So
it's important not to do it too quickly. But
I would have definitely been happy to do that
after about six months. And then it was Mix that
needed some time to get their head around that
and work their way up to it. And it was about
the one year mark, I think, that we got rid of
safe words. We do have the... sexual safe words
removed yes like i said yeah we've got those
gone yeah you're not quite ready not to beat
me without them just yet even though i never
use them anywhere i think that's part of the
learning process for it though is like the reason
i wouldn't have before about six months in is
when we were first playing together like mix
was still figuring out what sort of good pain
and bad pain looks like on me and when i'm approaching
my limit and knowing when to push and when yeah
we're not so the first couple of months we were
together i i used my safe words quite frequently
and then we had a good long stretch of me not
really needing to use them and then yeah to read
my reactions and know what i could and couldn't
handle yeah so it's kind of having that trust
in both their ability to manage my limits well
and trust in their behavior to not do something
irresponsible before i was ready to drop them
and then they needed time to get their head around
the the responsibility of that before they were
so it's always a learning curve and it's it's
a really interesting way and i think a really
good way of doing it as well you've removed them
for some things and not others that's a really
good way of that yeah we've got a couple goals
we want to hit in terms of kink stuff before
you feel comfortable uh remove them um but i
am very much like i haven't used them in four
months let's get rid of them i'm like shut up
you're keeping them a weird kind of edging isn't
it every day i get closer but not close enough
what's your color i think it's one of those things
that's often a misconception about kink is the
idea that that dominance are the ones sort of
dragging this helpless vulnerable submissive
into like dangerous or intense situations and
the submissive's like oh i guess i'll allow this
but usually it is very much the opposite way
around where the dominance like no if i fuck
this up i'm going to jail so we're going to be
responsible we're going to be careful i'm not
going to damage you and the submissive is like
well just hit me with your car yeah it is that
weird thing isn't it because you see that cliche
a lot especially on places like fetlife like
the submissive has all of the power in a ds dynamic
and i don't necessarily I don't agree with that.
No. But there is that weird thing of kind of
going at the right pace and who's really driving
it forward is a slightly different thing from
saying, well, the submissive has all the power
in that situation. That's not necessarily true,
actually. As a person, the dominant has a lot
of agency and a lot of say, which is just as
important as your unhinged requests for being
hit with motor vehicles and being fucked with
giant hot weed and all of that kind of stuff.
yeah we were trying when before we started recording
we were trying to work out where we met yes and
it took it took us a minute yeah because it all
kind of happened very quickly and somehow very
slowly yes yeah yeah yeah um and i think we worked
out that i met you both at a local play event
but I was full soup after doing play. And kind
of saw Carrizo from across the room and was like,
I know you from TikTok. And then collapsed into
the couch again and said nothing else. And I
was also full soup, so it was a good time. So
we were just pointing at each other from across
this bar area, like, oh my God, it's you. And
then nothing else. And then we followed each
other on Fet, me and you, I think. And then you
posted Lego and I was obsessed with it. Yeah.
And then we matched on field? Yes. Yes, and then
we attempted to organise play for about... A
full year. About a year. It took a year. It took
a while, didn't it? It did. We managed it, but
it took a year. Once I was here. Yeah. For God's
sake. This is why you don't leave organising
to me. I'm your useless submissive who's just
like, maybe I'll do it. So we've mainly got you
here to talk about Hypno, though I feel like
there's probably at least 10 different topics
we could get you back for. You have a wide range
of interests. But what first got you both interested
in exploring Hypno? So for me, it's been a consistent
long running thing. I'm very interested in control.
I'm very interested in vulnerability and like
taking advantage of vulnerability. And so it's
kind of always been a thing in my head. I do
remember at least one episode of a cartoon from
when I was younger that is frankly too silly
to actually be interesting in hindsight, but
at the time felt very taboo and a little bit
scary in an interesting way, where I understood
why someone would want to be on the controlling
side of it, you know? It was very one of your
childhood discoveries. watching TV and being
like, those women are being mind -controlled.
I love it. I want to do that. I don't know why,
but I do. Yeah. Yeah. It was very much your big
thing forever. Yeah, it has been for a very long
time. And then I got into it through you, essentially.
You said that. You're lying a little. immediately
called out immediately um so i was very much
um stereotypical afab teenager loved vampires
very into them and yeah and obviously part of
vampires is like mind control sometimes so like
think true blood which i watched way too young
formed a lot of my sexual appetites as an adult
This is why I feel really old, because I remember
True Blood coming out and I was not remotely
too young for it. But yeah, I remember lots of
scenes of girls being mind -controlled in basements
in True Blood and I was very like, that's hot.
Definitely not hypnosis though, but very hot.
And then I also had a few audio files that I
used to get off to that were also definitely
not hypnosis. I don't know what you're talking
about, sir. Counting down from 100 to... I was
accidentally into hypnosis before I met you.
And then we got together and I was like, hypnosis
isn't real. It doesn't exist. Don't be silly.
And then we did it and I was like, shit. It did
take a little bit to figure it out. We had some
hiccups at the beginning. You do not visualize.
No. So my brain is an empty space, essentially.
I don't internally think and I don't have visual
images. So hypnosis at the beginning was... difficult
because i am very visual so you thought i would
be too yeah and a lot of hypnosis stuff is built
with the intent of either looking at specific
objects or something like that or visualizing
something in your mind and so they're not necessarily
intended for people who don't visualize or don't
have a physical thing to look at right um which
meant that probably our first two or three attempts
i was trying to talk you through Like a lot of
visualization stuff. And I was just laid there
staring at the ceiling being like, sure, I guess.
I mean, I like your voice. It's nice. um this
is so interesting because mix i don't think it's
i don't think it's that mix can't visualize at
all but definitely has a less visual mind than
me and we were chatting the other day um about
who was horny and who was not um and i was like
i'm really horny right now and mix was like i'm
not and i was like so if you're not horny what
does your brain tv play and they just sort of
blinked at me like what and i was like so like
most of the time tv in my brain is playing porn
and very occasionally if i'm not horny or i'm
in a situation where i don't want to be thinking
about sexual stuff my brain tv will play like
stories of characters that made up when i was
a kid or it will if i'm listening to music i'll
like be watching a music video that my brain
is generating and they were just looking at me
like what so they don't they don't watch brain
tv and i didn't realize that that was not an
experience we were sharing you like physically
walk through spaces that you're very familiar
with like in my in my brain sort of navigate
around yes and i used to do a lot of astral projection
meditations and um like i don't know how real
it is obviously there's one belief that you are
actually leaving your body and there's another
that it's a psychological thing but it's still
an interesting experience to have um and i would
yeah have the experience of with my eyes shut
like float up out of my body and then float around
my flat and things like that and that i think
you have to have a very visual mind to be able
to do yeah i can still visualize uh like stuff
from my youth in pretty vivid detail whereas
for me it's all a blank space there's nothing
there i can just kind of vaguely be like there
was a chair in the room yeah i know that which
means that to bring it back to hypnosis when
i'm trying to describe something where it's like
oh i'm talking about a candle and focusing on
it i can physically see like a little candle
in my brain and it's flickering and stuff and
this one is like Concepts of a candle. I've seen
candles in my life. I know what a candle is.
But other than that, I've got nothing. And so
that is something that I had to adapt, was realizing
I need to more talk about the physical sensations
in the body, or I need to talk about actually
having a video, like being on video calls so
that I can have an object that I have to watch
while we're doing the hypnosis. those were things
that I needed to adjust when it came to our particular
play. And once I did that, it did work quite
well. Oh, I was completely just gone. That was
it, yeah. So it turns out I'm a pretty good subject
when you do it right. Yeah. Skill sheet. you
mentioned lana you were quite skeptical about
it you didn't think it would work you didn't
think it was a real thing because i think that's
a perception a lot of people have and i know
a few people who are into hypno now and it's
not like i think that they're lying but i still
have that bit of skepticism in my head of like
okay so maybe it works for these people but it
would never work for me i'm curious to try it's
definitely on our list for this year but yeah
How did you find the scepticism was a barrier
at all for you giving it a go and getting into
it? It was definitely at first, especially with
the techniques that didn't work, that sort of
reaffirmed the belief of it not working. But
when we figured out this actually kind of works
and this does as well, I sort of approached it
with, well, it says big thing. I want to be able
to provide this forum or at least try. It was
a sort of fake it till you make it at first where
I was like, I'll just, you know what? If it doesn't
work, it doesn't work. What is the issue with
me lying here in the dark with my eyes shut or
whatever? And then we did it a few times and
I started feeling it and feeling it and it was
like, oh God, I think it's actually working.
So it did hinder things at first, but because
I was very invested in the person I was doing
it for, I think that definitely helped. Yeah.
Because otherwise it would have just been like,
if it was a casual player partner, I would have
been like, look, it's not working. We're not
doing it. Because that's one of the things I've
heard about it is that it's very dependent on
your willingness for it to work, not necessarily
your belief that you can't hypnotise someone
unwilling or it's at least extremely difficult.
It's harder to do it. It is possible, but it
is harder if the person is specifically attempting
not to be hypnotised. It is very much, it works
easier on willing minds. How did you, I know
you said you'd seen some stuff on TV when you
were a kid that got your interest in it. How
did both of you kind of hear about it as kink?
Was that something you went looking for or stumbled
on? I went looking for it at an age I'm not going
to mention. But yeah, I did very much go looking
for it mostly in written stuff. I still do occasionally.
It's probably one of the things that is closest
to a fetish for me in terms of things I really,
really like. Yeah, I would say when we're not
doing stuff together, if you're alone and doing
stuff, you are always consuming something about
mind control or hypnosis. So I would say it's
borderline a fetish for you at this point. But
I didn't find out about it as a kink until...
you like so told me about it because i was very
much just like no it's a silly fiction vampire
thing or it's like you know i just like the man
counting while i get off just for no reason we're
not going to examine that or anything that's
not real um so it was very you were like hey
hypnosis is a kink and i was like oh okay i sure
we can try that and it was very useful i will
say yeah especially long distance yeah really
like useful and it was basically the main thing
we did for five years yeah so when you physically
cannot get close to the person that you want
to do a sext with or a sex call with being able
to hypnotize them into like feeling things that
you want them to feel can be extremely convenient
yeah very much so Yeah, I imagine that adds a
layer of intimacy too. We've just recently done
an episode about long distance relationships,
including some stuff about long distance intimacy
and sort of the good sides of that and also the
challenges of that. And I think anything you
can do that makes you feel closer than you actually
are, anything that makes it feel more physically
interactive is going to be really powerful. So
I can see how hypno would work really well in
that. Yeah, it definitely did. Once we started
it, we just never stopped because it made sex
feel so real and close and intimate. than being,
like, over a phone call. Excellent. Certainly
beats those ridiculous Love Ents toys that don't
really work. A little bit, yeah. I mean, to be
fair, you said that using the, like, the remote
control vibrator on your ex -partner worked fine,
but you didn't like the toys that she would control
for you. No, no, it didn't do very much for me.
Just massive. Really heavy. Really weird. How...
how do you negotiate for for hypno because it's
it i know very little about how it how you do
it and how it works but kind of there's an unpredictable
element to it it seems to me about kind of how
it's going to go so how did you negotiate how
you would approach it It's honestly quite similar
to how you would negotiate a lot of psychological
play because you do need to manage risks around
emotions that you'll feel and experiences mentally
that you're going to have. So if you're going
to do a really intense mental degradation, humiliation
scene, you want to take into account a lot of
the same things you're going to take into account
with hypnosis. Yeah. Hypnosis just comes with
added things of like... I mean, again, after
reactions of how you're going to feel after the
hypnosis has gone on. things like that it's it's
very similar to a lot of psychological play negotiation
yeah um yeah there are interesting things where
you can to some extent dictate um feeling but
you do also have to be aware that there are um
i think later on we're going to talk about the
risks But there's emotional app reactions, which
are a thing that can cause unexpected negative
feelings from seemingly innocuous suggestions.
Right. And that's a thing to be aware of. Yeah,
because like playing with the mind in such a
deep way where you are actually essentially getting
into someone's head can mean that like you can
bring up stuff completely unrelated to what you're
doing. So especially if you've got like some
form of trauma or mental health issues, if you
play with something that's really degrading mentally
with hypnosis, you could accidentally bring up
like a lot of... closed off feelings so you need
to have a plan about like what you might do if
something like that happens um and obviously
there's a lot of stuff that you talk about before
you do a hypnosis session about like what the
person wants to feel what they don't want to
feel how long they want the session to be um
the things they want to happen in the session
it's it's very similar to a lot of kink negotiations
that we do yeah um Yeah, I will say because we've
been in a dynamic for so long and it's such a
foundational part of our dynamic, our negotiation
is probably a bit more lax than a lot of people
that actually are starting to do it with new
play partners. Don't announce it to everyone.
That's part of your risk profile as well, isn't
it? A bit of deciding as your relationship goes
on how much or little negotiation you really
need. I think... The culture in kink is generally
that we get really explicit consent up front
for everything that's going to happen in a scene
anyway, but do you have to take sort of extra
care with pre -negotiating consent because I
guess your ability to speak up in the moment
might be reduced? Yeah, some people do count
it as a form of CNC because it is almost like
being asleep. You are in a more vulnerable space
where you can take on suggestions and ideas really
easily, which means that you are more vulnerable.
also i get something called hypnotic amnesia
where when i am in trance when i wake up i will
not remember anything that's happened that's
not something he's built into me that is something
that just comes with the hardware i guess but
that means in the beginning anyway we had to
do a lot of conversation about what was going
to happen beforehand and then afterwards he would
have to tell me everything that had happened
during it um because otherwise I wouldn't know.
And obviously, if you're playing with a new partner
and you have that where you don't remember things,
you are more vulnerable. Even just as a baseline,
you are more vulnerable than subjects who don't
get that. So it is something really to take into
account and negotiate around and talk about because
it can leave you open to a lot of not good stuff.
Yeah. There is a concept called subject agency.
And it's something where a subject can... while
remaining in trance, still be aware enough of
what is happening or have enough safeties that
they have had put in or put in themselves that
will keep them safe if something doesn't seem
right. I've worked with Lana with that sort of
thing. We have, you have a hypnotic specific
safe word. I do. And... we've practiced telling
you to get out of trance yeah so even though
i do have hypnotic amnesia we have practiced
while i'm actually under trance me pulling myself
out of my own accord yeah it's really difficult
for me because obviously i'm technically not
fully aware of what's going on but it was important
for us to practice that so that i wouldn't be
as vulnerable during it um especially because
at the time we were long distance and so if the
call drops And I'm stuck in trance and you can't
call me back. There needs to be a way for them
to get out of trance on their own. So that is,
I think, also very important as a part of negotiation
to be aware of as part of the safety for the
subject. Because even if everything is going
to plan, if the subject doesn't have the ability
to get themselves out of trance because they're
having a negative emotional reaction internally,
but they can't express it. That needs to be part
of the negotiation, in my opinion. Yeah, it's
essentially just another way of making sure the
submissive bottom subject has the ability to
safe word and get themselves into a safe place
while doing it. Yeah. I'm immediately thinking
about the Stephen King book, Gerald's Game, where
the husband suddenly dies while they're doing
some bondage and she's handcuffed to the bed
and then she has to get herself out. Quite unpleasant.
But it feels like there's almost a psychological
equivalent of that going on there, where you
said about the call dropping or if the dominant
or the top has some kind of emergency. If they're
not able to get you out of trance, you need the
ability to do that for yourself, preferably without.
peeling the skin off your hands yeah absolutely
yeah preferable not to do that for sure then
um so i was going to ask about what it does for
you i think edward sort of covered that it's
a lot about centered around control and and eroticizing
that that complete control of someone's mind
it's interesting to think about what does it
do for you lana if you don't remember any of
it does that take any of the fun out um so i
am a big cnc bitch um hard same yeah um love
it um it's one of the foundations of my kink
it is very like going under hypnosis and coming
out and having no idea about what's happened
is such a hot concept to me it's very much like
doing stuff in your sleep it's very like oh i've
just been so vulnerable and i've been used and
whatever um it does a lot for me but also trance
is not the full experience trance can be the
beginning of the scene and then there's loads
of stuff that end up happening after trance because
of what he suggested while i'm in that state
so i come out of trance having no idea what's
happened and suddenly i'm acting differently
and i don't know why and i'm like in my head
i'm here and i'm freaking out and i'm like oh
my god i can't get out of this someone's got
complete control of me but my body is performing
in a different way to how i'm feeling and it's
very hot actually having no control over myself
yeah so yeah it's very control on the opposite
side that makes sense yeah because it's the idea
of having no memory of stuff that had happened
to me is really hot in theory but it's not something
i've experienced we've done some sleep stuff
but i'm such a light sleeper i will wake up immediately
like nothing really happens to me that i'm not
aware of when i'm asleep um so i don't know how
well that fantasy would translate to reality
but it sounds like it's translated real well
for you oh yeah definitely for sure i'm very
privileged in that Carisa mentioned earlier on
that kind of hypnosis is something that's on
our list to learn about. How did you go about
educating yourself on how to do it safely, all
of the negotiation and techniques and things
like that? There are a number. So unfortunately,
it can be a bit hard to find specifically kink
or erotic hypnosis things because hypnosis is
very intertwined and very associated with hypnotherapy
and stuff. A lot of the people that are very
into hypno kink basically end up having to read
these things in order to find better ways to
go about a trance or go about an induction. But
there are a number of resources that are just
online um we you kind of stumbled into them unfortunately
because it's it's very much a thing of like when
people search for hypnosis generally it's hypnotherapy
or it's stage hypnosis yeah um it's very um What's
the word? Clinical's not the right word, but
it's very, like, academic. So finding erotic
hypnosis means you have to go into the depths
of, like, FetLife or Horny Twitter or, like,
things like that. Find sex workers who do it.
But once you find someone who does education
on it, you end up falling into about 60 other
people who also do education on it because they're
all quite a tight -knit community. Right. So
once you find one, you do kind of hit a goldmine
of education. But it... i think it took us like
maybe the full five years for us to get a good
amount of actual resources yeah that were functional
for us as erotic hypno like people specifically
yeah yeah um so we have managed to find them
but it is a bit of a difficulty yeah i think
i have some of them on my fat life account yeah
if you're comfortable sharing your fat life uh
it's hip hypnotist yeah Which is quite funny.
We found out that's actually a hypnotist from
the 50s or something. She's like blonde. She's
got big, like big hair. Stage hypnotist. We didn't
know that when he made his fet life. But yeah,
he's fully ripped her off. Should do a like a
photo set dressed up as her. Oh, that would be
cool. Do drag. Oh, the look I got. I see the
look, I recognise that feeling the enthusiasm
for that idea I've been trying to convince Mix
to let me do their lashes since I've started
doing cluster lashes I'm like, I wanted to have
more practice, let me do your lashes and they're
like, no I've seen what you do, it's awful it's
proper body horror, absolutely not the outcome
is amazing, the process is awful but also I have
lovely lashes anyway you do, you have beautiful
eyelashes so it feels to me like hypno is one
of those things which is either unofficially
or officially censored in spaces like FetLife.
So has that been a challenge for you as well?
Is that true on other platforms? And does it
make it harder to find reliable resources? It
is definitely true that, I mean, especially if
you're looking for the sex worker side of it,
they have moved from probably five different
platforms trying to find ones that even accept
minimal allusions to it. and it's not great um
they do till still tend to be able to make allusions
to it on twitter but you have to be careful with
it in general like i said there are some um specific
resources that we've found that we think are
we i won't say that the people who made them
are all great but the resources themselves are
very useful in my opinion yeah um censorship
is a big one with hypnosis because of how it
falls under the cnc umbrella i think because
it is very a lot of the misconceptions around
hypnosis is you can make people do things they
don't want to do you can fully take advantage
of people you can like it's mind control it's
magic it's you know these people are not consenting
because they're under the spell of hypnosis so
a lot of stuff that directly mentioned hypnosis
gets taken down or like um card processes won't
work with sex workers who do it explicitly yeah
and it does mean finding erotic hypnosis resources
tends to end up in small bubbles of like horny
twitter because it's a community thing where
they are hidden away slightly in the shadows
so things don't get taken down yeah and it does
make it really difficult it's why it probably
took us about five years to actually get the
resources we've got yeah to put them all together
which does mean like you said we can't vouch
for the people behind all of the resources um
but the resources as individual items are very
good because sometimes you do just have to take
what you can get with the education because what
that person is putting out is definitely good
as a basis for your learning, but what they might
be doing in their own personal lives might not
be amazing. So because it is so limited as well,
you have to almost remove the art from the artist
with some things, which is unfortunate. And it
is. pretty explicitly made uh not re not allowed
on a decent number of platforms yeah it's just
outright banned yeah on a lot of platforms as
well like it's not even hidden censorship it's
like this platform does not allow hypnosis within
the list of things it doesn't allow is it one
of the terms that you can't search on fat life
like the content is allowed but it's not a searchable
one right on that i don't know specifically about
fat life but i know that like um One of the popular,
there's like, I used to at one point when this
one was more interested in sex work, I had a
list of basically a whole series of websites
that allowed explicit content and that were for
selling it. And they had the things that were
allowed on them. And hypnosis was one of the
ones, even at the time, and it's gotten worse,
where you were allowed to do things like you
could say, mesmerized but you couldn't say the
word hypnosis where you were allowed to say like
enchanting even if explicitly what you were doing
was hypnosis which is unhelpful but but they've
even cracked down on enchanted and mesmerized
now so like i think there's maybe two sites that
allow references to hypnosis but they're not
popular sites so people who do it as sex work
are having to build their own websites to be
able to actually sell it so it's difficult it's
really difficult It's like searching for CNC
-type porn on porn websites. Yeah. People who
post those things have got increasingly creative
about the way that they describe their tag, but
it sounds like even that's not. yeah hopefully
if you can't even search for the word enchanted
or mesmerized then yeah how do you find it that's
part of what the struggle was when we were trying
to find the resources originally because you
would have to know the lingo to know how to get
into the community but if you're not in the community
you don't know the lingo so it was a circular
thing that meant we just kind of had to shoot
off in a direction and hope we'd you know hit
the target which did unfortunately make our early
hypnosis a little bit sketchy we'll say sketchy
we'll say sketchy i don't feel like you have
to share but like what what was that process
like of kind of learning how to how to do it
you so sir had some fundamental ideas of it because
he had read um some academic stuff about hypnosis.
So he understood the way that the process functioned,
but he didn't have a lot of the erotic information
of like the safety stuff of like it being a kink.
Yeah. And a lot of the stuff that's academic
is also written in a lot of jargon or heavily
academic language, which makes it a little bit
harder to understand exactly what they mean by
this specific thing. so it was a lot of trial
and error like we tried the visualization stuff
and then i was like that's not working because
that's not what i do um we then did actual visual
stuff which worked really well so we managed
to get me into trance that process was fine but
once i was in trance it was the things we started
playing with that were sketchy. A little bit
of newbie frenzy. Newbie frenzy, for sure. Not
thinking about the consequences of potentially
making me feel like I'd had an arm ripped off
while living in my parents' house in the middle
of the night. I imagine that got a bit loud.
A little bit, yes. So we played with some stuff
that I was like, that's really hot, we should
do it. And he was like, well, I don't see why
not. It's just hypnosis. And then we did it and
it was like, oh, actually. Maybe don't. Maybe
don't start there. It's very like being like,
oh, I'd love to do impact and starting with like
whips and like, you know, like full on instead
of going with the Ann Summers paddle going straight
to like spiky bats, you know. So I did that.
And it's the kind of thing that hindsight is
kind of easy to go, oh, crikey, kind of dodged
a bullet there. But not a massively surprising
thing to do. I think everybody, when you come
into the kink scene or when you discover a new
kink, you do kind of go, oh, yes, I want to do
all of the things immediately. That sounds really
hot. What could possibly go wrong? I can imagine
with hypno as well, if you're new to it, thinking
like, yeah, but it's not going to be that realistic.
So like being told to... think that your arm's
been ripped off. Probably in both of your heads,
you were like, it's going to be sort of like
cartoon violence. You're not going to really
fully believe it. And I'm guessing that's not
how that landed. Yeah, because I originally was
like, well, I don't fully believe in it. Like,
I'm feeling relaxed. I'm kind of taking on what
he's saying, but it's just hypnosis. It's not
really that real. Cut to me screaming in the
middle of the night, being like, oh my God, my
arm's gone. And he's like, shit, shit, I'm sorry.
I think in Sir's head, it was very like, it'll
probably be painful, but it won't be like...
as real as you know yeah that and then was not
my smartest it was hot though i will say that
so this is the problem with the submissive that
wants to get hit by a car oh yeah it hurt a lot
and it was a bit of a bad idea it was hot though
so why don't we do it again yeah it's like i
will do it again we shouldn't have started there
but that was awful it was deeply traumatic it
was a terrible experience when can we do it again
it's not like a good time to me i mean literally
me after the interrogation yeah came out of it
like a shell of a human like oh my god what did
i just go through like okay so when can we do
another yeah yeah yeah we did an interrogation
very early on in our dynamic when we visited
each other and it was very like baby steps into
interrogation and i've been trying to convince
him to do another one since and you did yours
and i was showing him all the photos being like
so please please look at how fun this is and
it's just photos of you crying yeah for three
hours it's so fun please and he's just like there's
something wrong with you and i'm like yeah Yeah.
Five years in, you know this about me. I mean,
you figure it out, but you never stop being surprised
by it. It's that look. I have a look, don't I?
When you suggest something and it's just completely
unhinged. What is going on in that weird little
brain of yours? Yeah, but usually you find it
hot as well. Yeah. One of us has to keep me out
of jail. The thing is that finding it hot from
the side of doing the awful thing is almost incomprehensible
wanting it from the other side. Like, I appreciate
that people do, but... I can't imagine wanting
it. Yeah, your signature move, sir, is taking
off your glasses and putting your head in your
hands. Glasses are handy for that, for really
having a prop to express your disappointment.
It's almost usually followed by the glasses going
back on and going, okay, how? And I think that's
the thing, because I'm very similar to you, is
easily... 95 % of the stuff that I do to Carisel,
I would not want even half of it, half as intense
happening to me. So you kind of hear this completely
unhinged thing and you go, that's just ridiculous.
Okay, but how might we achieve that? How do we
actually do that? In a way that doesn't put them
in hospital or me in prison. Or both. Likely
both. Hypno sounds like it's something that you
could use for a huge variety of things. What
are some of the highlight scenes that you've
done with it? I mean, just to point out the use
it for a variety of things. So likes to call
it the chocolate sauce of kinks. Well, like,
no, nothing's bad with chocolate sauce on top
of it most of the time. So like if you're doing
a kink, if you add a little hypnosis, it's not,
you know, it's not going to suffer for it. Obviously,
if you're talking about beans on toast, I don't
think it would work. It would smash. 100 % chocolate
sauce on beans on toast. I think it'd be good.
Yeah. We have these debates all the time. I'm
very big on sweet and savoury. Mix is not. Mix
is deeply upset by even things like just dunking
fries in a milkshake. So when I start putting
cake frosting on pork pies, they're just traumatised
by me. Yeah. I, at one Christmas, put spring
rolls into a chocolate kettle. Gorgeous. It was
fantastic. Onion rings and white chocolate is
another one. Nice. I will do that. I do understand
the fries in a milkshake. That's the sweet and
salty thing. But I think a better version of
that is chicken and waffles. But we're off topic.
We are. We are. So. I think a lot of people don't
understand or don't appreciate how useful it
can be in different circumstances. Yeah, it's
enhanced a lot of our play in ways that's really
cool. Like, for one that I remember as being
an interesting application was enhancing the
feeling of sensory play using hypnosis, where
it felt a lot more intense and it felt like you
had these sort of... trails of additional sensation
following whatever like i was tracing on you
yeah well i like almost felt it inside my body
yeah which meant after an hour of it i was non
-verbal completely unable to move just putty
it was fantastic but one of my highlights is
we did a cnc scene where i couldn't recognize
him i've i've heard about this scene i really
want to do like i couldn't recognize his voice
i couldn't recognize his face i didn't know who
he was it It's one of the hottest things we've
ever done. I'm guessing you wouldn't recommend
that as your first hypnosis. Oh no. Oh god. Another
one of your favourites was the dollification
one. Yes, we did do that. Where that one was
sort of a much more gradual one. Where you had
like the feeling of hardness and stiffness sort
of overcoming you. In my limbs. And I couldn't
move them of my own accord. And he would move
them and they would stay in position. And then
I would be pausable. And I just couldn't move
on my own. And I was very just a doll. I felt
ball jointed. Like actually, it was wild. But
I was still present in my head. But my body would
not listen to me. It was really interesting.
And it was really fun almost having an outside
perspective of watching him use my body. like
a sex doll it was really hot yeah i would add
that to the list of things i want to try as well
i'm just i'm just here shopping i'm like i want
to do that i want to do that that's why you've
got us on really just so you can i see your little
notepad over there um we do pet play as well
so um i'm a puppy um and we've done pet play
where i can't use our process human language
as well so he's speaking to me in english and
i'm like i don't know what you're talking about
i'm just here hanging out like i can tell by
tone that he's saying something positive or negative
but now i've got nothing so i'm just very dog
that's such a good idea like using hypno to enhance
things like pet play i imagine could be similar
for age play as well to add like more depth to
it, put you more into that headspace. I can immediately
see how it could be, it could have applications
for us for bimbofication as well, like just dial
down the brain quite a lot. So I think, I don't
remember who out of you two I talked to about
this, but we have been doing bimbofication, but
we've been doing the opposite side of what you've
been doing. So you've done the very physical
aspects of like the dyed hair, the... tan all
of that sort of stuff whereas we started with
like iq reduction and like me not being able
to count higher than a certain number and like
trailing off sentences and just giggling and
like you know having full bimbo days where i'm
like i don't know what's going on everything's
pink and lovely and that's been really great
yeah we did the brain fucking scene as well where
I could feel your cock sliding into my ear. And
every time you thrusted in, my intelligence would
go down. Oh, wow. Yeah. And it was, like... And,
like, every time you thrusted in, it was this
big, like, explosion of pleasure, and I would
feel myself unable to, like, answer his questions
as well. And, like, he'd ask what my name was,
and I was like, I don't know. I'm just here.
I'm having a great time. Because that is something
that really... is is an interesting idea because
you're right kind of our version of bimbofication
has very much been on the the kind of the aesthetic
yeah there's some playing with headspace but
we've leaned more into the physical and the mental
yeah yeah and one of the things that we talked
about early on in that when we were thinking
about bimbofication was i didn't want to get
carizal into a position where they fundamentally
change who they were i like the fact that they're
who they are and they're as intelligent as they
are and they're as articulate as they are i wouldn't
want to because again you kind of wonder about
the line between fantasy and reality but you
hear about people on these bimbo journeys kind
of fundamentally changing their iq and stuff
like that but doing that in a controlled space
in a more controlled way i think it's really
really interesting to think about Yeah, because
neither of us want me to actually permanently
be less intelligent. I have two jobs that require
my brain. Even if you were cool with it, that
would cause some issues in my life. But being
able to turn it on and off like that. Absolutely.
Yeah. Amazing. Things to go and research. Maybe
not start though. Maybe. Don't do as we do. Yeah.
What would you recommend as entry points for
people trying their first couple of hypno scenes?
What would be like the beginner friendly versions?
Um, for hypnotists, my recommendation is almost
always going to be to do gradual relaxation scenes
because they're relatively easy. And I personally
believe that it is a good idea to give the person
like the, to give, to help the person understand
like a hypnotic safety word and then basically
bring them out of it. Try to give them that idea
of subject agency and give them a safety valve
if they need it before you do anything more difficult
or more intense than that. And then on the subject
side, there are files and you can read like the
transcripts of them and check what's actually
in them and see what makes you comfortable or
uncomfortable and try those. And that can also
give you an idea because there are files that
are different styles of inductions and stuff
like that. And that can get you a better feel
for what you personally are comfortable with
and what works best for you. Yeah, I think I
agree with that. Well, I think. As a hypnotist,
you don't want to be getting into anything way
too complicated. You want to just be getting
comfortable with the idea of sitting with someone,
getting them down in a trance and then pulling
them back up just to see if you can do it, how
it feels to do it. And like you said, so with
getting the safety word built in from the first
session, because especially if you've never done
it, it can... i before we put it in i had no
access to safe words when we were doing trance
yeah so i would recommend putting it in immediately
and then like you said with the subject stuff
i would you can practice self -hypnosis on your
own meditation as a form of it um because trance
is essentially just an extremely focused um sense
of relaxation where you ignore the outside world
and you are very inner focused maybe you have
a focus point like a visual thing or like whatever
um so you can practice self -hypnosis practice
getting yourself in and out of that that kind
of thing playing together it would just be getting
yourself in trance getting back out of trance
maybe playing with sensations um i wouldn't go
into the heavy psychological stuff as quickly
as we did no um i would take it slow We were
a little stupid. We'll keep saying that, yeah.
I would really just take it slow and also doing
the research before you even start playing to
see where you want to take it as well because
there's so many ways to do it and places to go.
Because if you only want it to enhance kinks,
then you don't even really need to be doing a
full hypno scene. You can just do a bit of hypno
at the beginning and then do the... pet play
for example that you were going to do so it's
such a broad kit it's one of the worst kinks
to do an episode on it's so broad it has a lot
of stuff in it because we haven't even gone into
how it works at all yeah it's just there's so
much to it you can though absolutely tell us
how it works because i have a vague understanding
like you said that it's similar to meditation
you get down into a trance state and get relaxed
and then you're more suggestible is that um there
is a concept in fiction suspension of disbelief
and suspension of disbelief is the thing where
you allow yourself to buy into a story and where
you understand that these fictional characters
or these actors in a movie are doing things and
you are still emotionally invested or the character
dies and you still might cry over it because
it was sad and that's suspension of disbelief
and fundamentally that kind of thing is heavily
tied to hypnosis hypnosis is A lot of the time,
a person suspending their disbelief and their
brain saying, okay, this is what we believe is
happening now, so it's happening. And people
have higher or lower tolerances for it. People
have different things that will work for them
in terms of helping them get into the space in
the same way that different people have different...
types of stories that work for them and so hypnosis
is basically trying to look at all of the ways
that you can try and get a person to a point
of suspension of disbelief that you can alter
things about their perceptions of their surroundings
or of themselves yeah and like the most basic
basic session would be um you do like an induction
which is literally where you just get someone
down into trance you talk them down into it and
then you do what's called a deepener which just
makes the trance deeper it makes them more relaxed
it makes them more in the space and then the
entrance where you can do like the suggestions
which is essentially literally just going you
might feel like this when you wake up. You might
feel like that. Your body might do this when
you wake up, that sort of thing, because you
are suggesting it. Some people like commands,
but generally suggestions are the way to go.
And then you would wake them up out of trance,
they would come back out, and then anything you
had suggested during trance would then happen.
And then during the trance is when you would
also say, for example, once we have done this,
this, and this, the hypnosis will end. um and
that is the most basic version of a hypnosis
session um and like sir said it is all about
getting you to suspend your disbelief it is all
about getting you to buy in because if you don't
buy in it's going to be way harder yeah so that
is literally the most basic but there's people
do uh non -trans hypnosis people do awake trances
people do it's so varied but that is the most
basic like version of it all it's just fascinating
It sounds like real magic. It does. It falls
between real magic and the brain just being a
computer that you can reprogram. Either way,
just nuts. Yeah, it feels like it a lot, but
when you're in it. That's what you call me as
the magician or whatever. Magic man. Me and my
magic words. Yes. I like your funny words, magic
man. Yeah. And when you do it, is it always very
time bound or kind of event bound? So you were
saying, go into the trance. When you wake up,
this is the sequence of things that will happen.
And when that sequence of things happens, then
whatever suggestion was in plan, it is gone,
essentially. So it depends. As always with hypnosis.
The annoying part. But there are definitely ones
where we've done where... they basically end
after a certain point. So for example, to call
back to one of the previous ones, the scene where
they didn't recognize me, obviously that ended
at some point because they recognized me. But
there were things that I put in during the trance
that were like, during this, up until this point,
you will not be able to recognize my voice, my...
like what i look like anything like that yeah
um and so that was part of how i put it in during
the trance was this was as you said event specific
time gated type of thing yeah um but there are
other things that we continue using and that
are ongoing um so we have a couple of triggers
in uh lana that are i have a trigger to put them
into trance i have a trigger that can cause pain
i have a trigger that can cause a hypnotic orgasm
which is not the same as a physical one but you
know it is still quite fun for me to play with
um we have one that freezes them um what are
some of the other ones i'm unsure as well so
but like we this um the iq brain fucking scene
we did that was we did it um my brain was mush
and then i just fell asleep was still under the
effects and when i woke up just time had taken
the effects away um because i'd had a full night's
sleep i'd woken up in the morning i'd started
my normal routines and because it wasn't something
we were doing every single night it wasn't something
my brain had kept hold of so it doesn't always
require like definite end but it is something
especially for new people we would probably recommend
just to make sure that like you don't play with
your partner and send them off on the bus and
they're like i don't know where i am yeah that's
fair so it Because we're in a dynamic and we've
been playing for so long, if we're doing a specific
hypnosis scene, yes, it will end at a specific
point. But we also, like Sir said, have things
that just carry on throughout our daily life
and are available at all times. Because we've
re -upped them, essentially, we've done sessions
to just make sure they stay in my brain. And
is that the sort of thing that if you didn't
use the trigger for a period of time, it would
kind of wear off naturally, or is it...? Eventually,
yeah. It depends how ingrained it's been because
we've been together for six years now. If we
broke up, I would still have all these triggers
in my head and they would take time to go away.
So we'd probably have to do a session or two
to get rid of them if the breakup was amicable
and you were being ethical and nice to me. Big
assumption. Big assumption, yeah. But yeah, so
they do stick around, but if you don't, it's
use it or lose it, essentially. Like any other
skill. yeah yeah practice it then you being a
subject is part of the skills that are required
for it yeah yeah it's all skill based it's annoying
yeah um that sounds like something that could
really enhance the power dynamic as well to have
not just your sort of trained and natural obedience
that you have as an s type but also to have these
triggers that that enhance that where you actually
can't help but obey that sounds like fun Yeah,
you mentioned that and that brought to mind one.
We have one that makes them feel compelled to
put things in their mouth, shall we say. We do
also have something that, we stumbled upon it
by accident, but we have a thing that if, is
it if I say it or if you say it? I don't know,
it gets blurry for me. If someone says something.
I will push away all of my emotions and thoughts
and feelings and my comfort and will prioritize
his pleasure and what he wants. And I am trapped
in the back of my head being like, no, this sucks.
I hate this. But I'm like, yes, sir. Of course,
sir. I'll do that, sir. And it's very like, someone
free me. Don't really, but please help. This
was one where the slightly, because we're stupid,
I didn't realize this one was still in effect
for... maybe an hour yes so we did a scene with
it it was very hot and very fun and then we ended
the scene and then we started to like hang out
and just like play like a card game or something
and then you were like sir was like you're acting
really weird and i was like i'm sorry sir i'll
do better and he was like huh and then he had
a chat with me and was like you're still under
the effects of that got it and then we had very
good sex and then we um very good slightly unethical
sex always the best kind and then we fixed it
yeah yeah i love that secret event had sex then
fixed we can't let the opportunity go by i mean
it's really hot You mentioned hypno -orgasms
and I am immediately fully invested. Yes, I do
have those. We have, he can ruin an orgasm with
hypnosis. Oh no, less invested. Say more. So
I can ruin an orgasm with hypnosis, so I can
make it so I'm completely incapable of orgasm,
even if I'm on the edge physically. He can get
me on the edge with hypnosis and he can also
give me an orgasm with hypnosis. Yeah. which
is horrible and fun in equal amounts and it is
the the feeling of arousal and also the orgasm
is different to an actual physical one i kind
of explain it as like a full body orgasm where
i feel it on like the skin of my shoulders and
like on the top of my head and like but it feels
very much like something is running over my skin
rather than like it actually being a muscular
inside thing yeah um but it is still extremely
pleasurable and lovely and When he gives me them,
it's nice. See, it doesn't sound so fun now,
does it? That bit does, Mick, because I'm concerned
about what you would choose to use it for, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Just take them away completely. No.
Just make you completely incapable of having
an orgasm. is that something have you found that
has any effect like positive or negative on on
your normal orgasms or not because i think my
worry is like yeah we like to play with some
orgasm sort of denial and control stuff but having
like a switch in my brain that turns off my orgasms
my worry would be that that would get stuck because
that's something i've had issues with in the
past um i It's hard to say for sure because I
do also have a medical condition that affects
my genitals. But I would say personally it hasn't,
as far as I can tell, affected anything. The
only thing would be if we broke up, we would
have to do a lot of work to undo that because
a lot of my orgasms depend on his permission.
It's very much like how you were saying about
doing a lot of orgasm control in a relationship
and dynamic and then when it ending being like,
oh no, I can't get myself off. Assuming I was
being ethical. Assuming you were being ethical.
You would then help me undo that because otherwise
I would be kind of stuck in an actual real, real
way, which would be really scary. Yeah. So we
would have to do a lot of work on that. At the
very least, I can say with Lana, being denied
can honestly get them more aroused than being
given permission, which is very funny for me.
yeah so because of the medical condition that
affects my genitals i don't get spontaneously
physically aroused anymore it's all like a mental
thing and then we start doing sex and my body
catches up essentially um but if we do long periods
of denial i am actually physically a mess and
it's like oh no he can see this and it will now
be happening more And then if you add the hypnotic
orgasms and things like that on, it's like the
worst form of denial. Because if he denies my
physical orgasms for long enough and then gives
me hypnotic orgasms, it's almost like a form
of edging because I'm still not getting the orgasm
I need. And it's this weird thing of I'm getting
orgasms, but I'm not getting orgasms. That sounds
delightful. It sounds terrible and delightful
to me. in the past have really struggled to have
orgasms at all and then that's something that
i started to find easier once i got into kink
in general and then there's been like further
sort of progress while me and mix have been together
where i can have multiples now i had three i
had three last week nice like right one right
after the other couldn't believe it um which
is completely new to me so like the issue is
sort of correcting a little bit but i don't like
i struggle a little bit with physical arousal
like i often i will even have an orgasm without
actually getting wet um So it's something that
I'm always conscious of, like kink can help fix
it, but kink could also potentially break it.
Conditioning of orgasm control is a risk. It's
something that I found after my last relationship
ended. And we've reached a point now where without
setting out to condition me this way, we found
out I physically can't orgasm without permission.
When we were camping last year, we did a scene
where they sort of implied permission. So I was
genuinely trying, but they hadn't actually said
I could. And it just was not going to happen
until they told me to. So yeah, it's something
that I do tend to approach with caution, but
I get so much out of it. And unlike you, the
denial makes me both physically and mentally
hornier. So it helps the situation, which is
probably a big part of why I'm into it. Yeah,
probably so. With the medical condition progressing
a little bit, my appetite for orgasm denial has
unfortunately increased. Unfortunately for you.
Yeah, for me. It's fun for me. I know. I'm picturing
that me and Lana are being yappers. I am concerned
about the length of this. It's all right. It's
focused. It's focused. It's good. Yeah. And this
has the potential to be a long section anyway,
because I am about to ask you about risk, which
feels like it might have quite a long list of
potential risks. Is that right? Just a little
bit, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately. Um, there's...
There's a lot of risks with it because essentially
hypnosis is a form of conditioning. Yeah. So
whatever you do, if you keep doing it and keep
doing it and keep doing it, you are conditioning
the subject. So it is a form of edge play because
you are getting into someone's mind, you are
conditioning them, you're affecting their behaviours,
their thought patterns, their perceptions of
reality, their perceptions of their own body,
and then obviously depending on what you play
with, their perceptions of their own gender,
their sexuality, things like that. So it gets
into edge play territory very, very quickly.
So there are a lot of things to be aware of when
you're doing it. Let's start with one that we
mentioned already, though, which is the emotional
ab reactions. These are unexpected negative emotional
responses to trance or to specific suggestions.
They can be very unrelated or they could be related
to something subconscious or related to a trauma
in the past. It's unexpected. It's not predictable,
which means that you need to be prepared for
it if you're doing it at all, basically. If you
are helping somebody relax with your voice and
you do it in just a little bit of the way that
makes somebody feel unsafe or something, you
could end up with a reaction that requires a
lot of aftercare. It's just triggered something
in me where I have to come out of hypnosis and
I'm shaking and crying. Yeah. And it's just like,
and I have no explanation for why. It's something
we've done for ages. I love it. It's so much
fun. and I just can't handle it that day. There's
no outer reason. I've had a really good day.
I've been really happy. I've been dancing around
the flat. It's all been fine, and then we do
it, and it's just like I crumble. So it's definitely
a good thing to have a plan in place just for
if something like that happens. It doesn't have
to be a hyper -specific plan, but just know what
to do. It's like preparing for drop. yeah yeah
but like really unexpected sudden intense drop
yeah yeah yeah sounds similar to how we now plan
for a certain area of psychological play that
we have done once and we did it on a uh a wednesday
night and i had to go to work the next day and
i couldn't i was not well um so now we've talked
about like when we explore that again which we
will because we both got off on it and we're
huge perverts um that will be something that
we do like on a weekend when the next day all
our plans are is aftercare if needed yeah um
it sounds like it would be that would be kind
of the the approach to take with hypno is plan
for the worst yeah it can be um obviously it
depends what kind of hypnosis you're doing if
we're just doing like the trigger stuff which
doesn't require me going down in a trance then
we don't tend to be like oh we'll save that for
weekends but if we want to do a big kind of intensive
scene that might take an hour or two we probably
will do it on like a friday night or a saturday
kind of thing the like the dollification one
or the um the cnc one the cnc one especially
where you're not recognizing me you don't recognize
me for like maybe an hour during like the violence
and the sex and stuff and then afterwards you
do recognize me but you're still having that
sort of cognitive dissonance that would be something
where i would be very cautious on doing that
on a weeknight Do it on a Monday night and send
me to work on Tuesday. I'll be alright. There's
also a lot of weirdly physical risks with hypnosis.
So I am a flopper. When I go down into trance,
I flop. I go dead weight. I can't support my
own weight anymore. I can't stand up. I can't
sit up straight. I essentially, like, I've actually
fallen asleep just immediately. I'm just picturing
that thing bunnies do when they're happy where
they dramatically put themselves onto their side.
Bully me, yeah. I'm like, this is fantastic,
goodbye. When we were long distance, we'd never
done it. where i was sat up because i was always
like it was at the end of the day so i was always
in my room so i was always in bed so i was laid
down and then we do some hypnosis and then we
did it at one point where it was like middle
of the day on saturday and i was like sat on
my bed and he didn't realize i was sat up and
so we did it and i fully just face planted straight
into my ipad and hit my head really hard and
came out of trance like ow what happened that
really hurt yeah and i had like a little bruise
on my phone where I'd hit the corner of the iPad.
And it was really tender and horrible. So you
have to plan around if the subject has that.
You need to make sure they're fully supported,
their weight's supported, they're not going to
fall over. If you are doing something stood up,
that you have either you or another person who's
able to hold them up kind of thing. And obviously,
if you've never done hypnosis before, don't try
it stood up. Yeah. Try it laid down. See how
the subject's body is. Maybe try it sat up with
you. They're ready to catch them if they fall
over. But don't just be like, well, let's stand
in the living room and give it a go. It's also
not something that we've ever had happen, but
I can imagine it happening with you, is make
sure that when the person relaxes, they don't
have something like a full bladder, for example.
It's not happened to us, but... That's honestly
probably just luck on my part. That's very much
luck, sir, because I have the weakest baby bladder
in the world, so the fact that I've never pissed
myself during hypnosis is actually... I don't
know how we've managed it. It's a miracle. I
feel like we'd be ready for that. I've pissed
myself during most other kinds of play, so it's
fine. There they go again. i was wondering because
you talked about like the dollification scene
and another couple that we know that does hypnosis
will do things like sort of um like random freeze
triggers where when when the top says a certain
word the bottom will freeze in position or like
raise their arm and keep it there and things
like that when You experience that. Does your
body let you know if you're causing muscle strain
or joint strain and things like that? Do you
do you have an awareness of that? So I do. But
depending on the scene we're doing, I can't communicate
it or there's nothing I can do about it. And
that's just that. So it is definitely like he
has to be aware of how long my arm's been held
up, how long I've been in a specific position,
whether I need to be rearranged, like that kind
of thing. Obviously, if a muscle went into cramp
or that sort of stuff, we do have to build into
it. that would probably just force its way all
the way to the front of my mind and be like the
safe word oh god my leg but if you don't have
the built -in safe word your subject might just
be trapped in muscle cramp for like an hour so
yeah you are right in that as the subject not
subject as the hypnotist you do have to be aware
of the subject's body and how it's being positioned
especially with the way i flop i go dead weight
so however my body lands is how it stays so if
i land with a leg over here and an arm over there
sort of stuff if it's in an uncomfortable position
i just can't move it so a lot of the times he
will be like yeah i had to fully just rearrange
you on the bed for like five minutes like yeah
like here back there come on like Yeah. I've
woken up with fingerprint bruises because you've
had to drag me up the bed. Just because I was
falling off the bed. And you've just had to hold
me like a sack of potatoes. Do you have to be
really specific in the words that you use? And
again, this is completely my lack of understanding.
If you've got those ongoing triggers implanted
that kind of... um edward said something it provokes
a reaction in you presumably those are relatively
common words so if if edward said it it would
have the impact on it but if i said it it wouldn't
yeah is that that's part of the way that we've
put the triggers in is that they only work when
i'm using them basically yeah um and then to
some extent it does require intent so if i just
say a word it isn't necessarily going to affect
them because it's like in a context of a sentence
where it makes sense yeah if i'm saying the word
on its own just uh with like a bit of emphasis
behind it yeah that definitely can and that does
sometimes cause issues right very occasionally
with one word in particular um there is um a
thing with it where It's part of subject agency
where you build it in so that when your subject
is at work, for example, they don't hear one
of their trigger words and then start saying
a mantra about how they're some sort of fuck
doll for everyone's entertainment. Because that's
not... Not what you want in a meeting. Not particularly.
So it is something that you put in and you practice
so that they're not being inconvenienced in their
everyday life. But I do still feel the pull of
it, if that makes sense. Right. Where, like,
if Sir says it in a sentence and he's not putting
the emphasis on it, it's obviously not meant
to be in that way, for a second my body will
stutter as, like, oh, I should... No, never mind.
Like, I can feel it pulling me in and my subject
agency is, like, cutting the string and being
like, no, that's not meant to be happening right
now. Yeah. So I've had friends try to use my
triggers. So I've encouraged them and been like,
yeah, go ahead, give it a go. See what happens,
you know. And I can feel the pull when they do
it because the intense behind it, like the energy
they're trying to do it with is there. But it's
not working because of the way we've built it.
It's for him. He uses it. And I've been trained
essentially not to respond if it's not him. Yeah,
that makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah. I suppose
that's another. there's another layer of it that
i hadn't even thought it's like say say the word
was envelope and and you say it in a in a really
specific in intentional way it has that effect
but it's also like oh i need to send a letter
pass me the envelope off the side sort of thing
that that's where it would kind of you would
feel that stutter but you wouldn't necessarily
go oh i need to yeah your body wouldn't just
react no he can see me stutter sometimes well
like he says something and watches me like flounder
for a second where i'm like oh god i want to
but no and he's like oh for god's sake go on
then like we're at home i'll let you like but
yeah it is very much a thing we've built in so
that i don't just start spouting mantras or falling
asleep on a bus or like that kind of thing so
there's multiple layers of safety there when
you're implanting triggers is think about making
it like voice specific, thinking about making
it a word you're maybe not going to hear just
in passing all that often, making sure that you
build in for you to have that sort of reaction
of it being only when it's intentional and like
the more that you kind of build in, the less
likely you are to have an unwanted reaction.
Yeah, absolutely. There's also a thing called
hypnotic patter, which is a specific tone of
voice and the way you speak when you do hypnosis.
So even if he just said one of my trigger words
in his normal voice, it would still get the like
pull and the draw of it, but it wouldn't work
because he's not using the hypnotic voice. as
well um so it's that's an extra level of safety
because obviously it's something he has to turn
on when he's talking to me rather than just like
saying it really casually um unfortunately sometimes
when he's explaining things he does fall into
the hypnotic voice and then i'm just like eyes
glazed over like yeah as he's talking i can well
imagine the hypno voice being the info dumping
voice a little bit yeah unfortunately He's telling
me about some card game he likes and I'm like,
yeah, okay. That sounds good. I'm going to lie
down. There's another thing with hypnosis that
we don't do personally because it has so many
risks. It's not even anywhere near our risk profile,
which is personality play. which is specifically
using hypnosis to affect someone's personality,
change their personality or up their personality,
which can involve giving someone a different
name. during hypnosis stuff, creating alternate
identities within someone, messing with their
actual core beliefs, things like that. It is
possible because, again, this is a form of conditioning.
So you can fundamentally change a person. But
I have dissociation issues. And if we start playing
with my name being Sarah when we do these scenes
and I'm this giggly dumb blonde, eventually I
might actually have a Sarah in my head because
I already have a level of... dissociation there
the the risk of that is so high that it's not
even worth going anywhere near i guess that kind
of feels a little bit like what we were talking
about kind of stuff that's a thing where um there
are a non -zero number of unethical creators
shall we say who um do things like create secondary
personalities or they deliberately add in sort
of addictive feelings to the files and stuff
like that where it's not a good idea to use those,
especially if you are someone who doesn't know
what you're doing and don't have a lot of subject
agency yet. Yeah, yeah. It's also a thing where
you can make someone who's not a smoker a smoker
and things like that. Because if you start associating
smoking with this pleasurable feeling, it's an
act of obedience, it's making you a better sex
toy because whoever is doing it to you enjoys
people who smoke, eventually you can just end
up being a smoker or things like that. So for
us, it's not even a risk worth going near because
obviously Sir likes who I am. That's why he's
with me. We like playing with my mind, but we
don't want to, like you've said, change who I
am. So it's just, it's something we would probably
advise either don't go near, or if you do want
to go near it, take the tiniest baby steps in
the entire world. Like, go so slowly. It's also
very good, kind of tangential to this, don't,
if you're not actually a licensed hypnotist,
I really I really cannot stress how bad of an
idea it is to try and use your erotic hypnosis
interest to try and help somebody with a real
problem they have. Because if you want to help
somebody lose weight or you want to help somebody
get in shape, you could give them an ED or you
could give them something else. If you're trying
to make them feel more outgoing and make them
feel sort of... don't mess with things about
people having real actual issues because you
feel like your erotic hypnosis or desire to use
this in fun ways gives you any experience and
how to do it safely for somebody who is struggling
with something yeah yeah because again it's messing
with like foundational parts of who people are
and like how they exist in the world essentially
yeah I can imagine it's a real temptation because
obviously hypnotherapy is used for things like
stopping smoking instead of making someone a
smoker. People do use it for things like weight
loss. And I don't know enough about hypnotherapy
to say whether that's like whether it's effective
or whether it's a good idea. But it's done by
therapists who are formally trained. I can imagine
it's really tempting to go, hey, I'm really good
at erotic hypnosis. I bet I could fix this problem
for my partner. And without that formal training
and without the... the therapy knowledge that
goes along with the hypno knowledge that could
get really messy for sure i have a friend who
goes to a hypnotherapist about like nerve pain
and that's really good for her because licensed
professional really helpful but if she had a
partner who was just like i'll fix your nerve
pain don't worry i definitely won't talk about
how your body feels like it's on fire all the
time you know like and then make it worse or
things like that it's changing fundamental parts
of people is something we would never touch with
a 10 -foot pole yeah it's just it's not worth
any of the risks that come with it in our opinions
and we've seen so many horror stories of people
online in erotic hypnosis communities who are
now struggling with the fallout of no longer
being with the hypnotist and having three separate
identities within their heads that are hypnotic
identities that they can't get rid of yeah it's
just it's not worth it it sounds like a more
extreme form of when we talked about when we
talk about like kink is not an alternative to
therapy kink can depending on what you're doing
and if you're approaching it in a safe way from
a position of stability it can feel therapeutic
it can be cathartic it can be healing in some
ways but if you actually set out with the goal
of i'm going to treat your mental illness by
smacking you about it's it's not going to go
great it's a bad idea no it's not a good idea
we've mentioned the files a couple times um essentially
what we're saying there is the erotic hypnosis
community does exist online and a lot of people
create hypnotic files which is essentially just
like i mentioned earlier with the most basic
form of a hypnosis scene they take on the role
of the hypnotist read out a script that essentially
does the putting you in trance bringing you back
out giving you suggestions that sort of thing
um and some of them are really ethical and really
good they provide a script for you to read beforehand
um so that you can safety check it you can go
through it and be like everything in there i
like is that something i like fantastic but there's
also as many unethical ones as there are ethical
ones where when you listen to it it will not
have anything to bring you back out of hypnosis
it will not have anything to make sure that the
effects of the hypnosis end when the file ends
or end in a specific amount of time it can be
really dangerous because again if you listen
to that file three times a week every week and
it has nothing built in to be like don't carry
this into your normal life yeah you might end
up being different or doing different things
in your daily life that might affect your job
or your family relationships and things like
that yeah So it's very good to mainly go for
ones if you are going to use them, for ones that
come with scripts that you can pre -read and
things like that. Obviously, when you're in the
middle of it and you really just want to read,
like, listen to a file, it's not the hottest
thing to be like, right, let me get up this PDF
and read the entire script. But that seems like
a common sense approach that is a good idea because
at least you know what you're getting into, regardless
of what it is, even if it is something that might
have other issues, at the very least, you know.
Yeah, exactly. Because as well, like... Being
non -binary, I don't mind gendered language,
but I know there's some non -binary people who
don't like being called a girl or a boy, and
if you don't pre -read a script and you go into
it and it says, like, oh, it's a female voice
for anyone, and then you go in and they're saying
boy, you might end up being under in trance and
having a really nice time, and then you keep
getting called a boy. And now you're like, oh,
God, everything's awful and this is terrible.
So even small things just like the specific pet
names that are being used or things like that,
it's really worth it to go, through and just
be like yeah i like all the language it looks
safe i'm cool with it um instead of just going
ah that one sounds hot i'll give it a go i've
heard a lot of almost exclusively bad things
about bambi sleep is that one of the unethical
ones to avoid that's a yeah don't do that yeah
it is very unwise that's the one you were talking
about sir where it is personality play yes bambi
sleep is one of the ones where it is personality
play where it intends to create a secondary personality
it is a lot of the language is attempting to
subvert any subject agency um it's intended to
be addictive it's all of this sort of stuff it's
not a good one There's other ones that are online
that are also bad that I don't really want to
mention. I just thought it was worth addressing
that one because I think it's one of the best
known and also one of the most cautioned against.
It's one of the ones that if you're looking for
files and you are specifically looking for like
bimbo style files, you are immediately going
to come across it. So it is definitely worth
mentioning it because it... Became a massive
popular thing and then people liked it so much
that they started making similar files. So honestly,
if it mentions the word Bambi in it, I probably
just wouldn't touch it because it is probably
something along the lines of the type of file
that's personality play addictive. Probably doesn't
have much safety stuff in it. Yeah, it's not
good. When we first got together and he was like,
and so I was like, oh, you could maybe listen
to a couple of files. I was like, okay, cool.
here's a bimbo one i want to try and he was like
no no essentially taking it out of my hand and
throwing it into the river just like absolutely
not not allowed and i was like it sounded hot
though and he's like yeah no bad do we want to
give like an example of one if you're comfy giving
recommendations like i think that would be helpful
but also don't feel that you have to because
i know it feels like a responsibility to if you've
pointed something there's one just scrolling
through about 16 000 um hypnosis files i use
them for reference lilith unleashed is i believe
the name of the creator and from what i can tell
almost every single one of the files that she
produces has scripts to go with it and that's
like a very good place to start you know if you
go to her like profile she has a reddit and things
like that if you go on her thing she also interacts
with other creators who also do files with scripts
and things like that so even if you don't like
her stuff she does interact with the good side
of the community who do all the ethical stuff
about here's what this contains here's the actual
full script all that sort of stuff yeah so even
if you don't like her stuff she does interact
with good it's like what you're talking about
as soon as you find one you find hundreds because
they interact with each other so once you find
someone that you like you can kind of follow
the breadcrumb trail to others that might be
similar oh absolutely yeah it's it's full on
breadcrumbs. It's you find one and then suddenly
a student in front of a full loaf of bread. It's
like, do they, do those files work as well as
doing it kind of in the way that you do it? It
depends on what the file is and what it's intending
to do. Yeah. Some of them are basically just,
we're doing this thing for the duration of the
file. Yeah. Some of them will be like, we're
doing this and then it's going to affect you
until you go to sleep. it depends on what the
file is and what it's trying to do I can't say
I've tried them as a person who's not particularly
interested in being a subject I've tried some
of them because you told me to give some a go
to see if there was anything I specifically liked
and also I did listen to some before we got together
even though I will deny that until the end of
my life Just beep that five seconds of the podcast.
No, I'm just going to cut that bit and put it
on repeat for like five minutes. So for me, it's
like they can work. But if I don't like the person's
voice, it's immediately a no. Like it just doesn't
work for me. So it really does depend on the
specific file. I think I found maybe like three,
four creators that I liked. And then when Sir
started doing it with me, I just gave them up.
I've got to go home. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah.
That's fair. And does it take long to write like
a script? I'm going to be honest here. I don't
like writing scripts. Okay. I very much prefer
maybe we probably are going to interact with
it. I describe an idea that I have or Lana describes
an idea that they have. Sort of go, hmm, that's
hot. And then we maybe discuss it a little bit
more, get an idea of the shape of what we want
the scene to look like. And then I put them in
trance, do it, and then we do the scene. There's
a lot less script writing for me in particular,
which is something I need to do more. One thing
that I need to do that we've been talking about
for a little bit is making a file that you can
listen to as... part of our dynamic -y thing.
Nice way to put it. Oh, a master slave dynamic.
The dynamic -y thing. The dynamic -y thing. You're
married, you're five years old. The really casual
dynamic -y thing we've got going on. But that's
a thing I need to do. The issue is that writing
a script, you have to be careful about all of
the stuff you put into it. You don't want to
be creating something that might reinforce something
you're not intending. And The other problem is
that I have not yet figured out how to read in
my hypnotic patter voice. I am unfortunately
used to reading in a reading voice. Yeah, you've
stolen, not fully stolen, but we've tried to
use someone else's script before. We stole it.
And it fully felt like you were just reading
out of a book in front of a classroom. And I
was like, I love you so much, sir. I'm just laid
here listening to you. Like you're reading Lord
of the Rings to me or something. It's not happening.
That's how I used to put you to sleep. It was
how you used to put me to sleep. But yeah, it's...
You... It would be good for us to write scripts
together potentially because it would mean that
I could go, I don't like that line actually.
I think this would be hot if you said this here.
And it is honestly a really good thing for new
people to do, to do it together because it is
a way for the subject to... contribute while
also not taking control yeah um and it's a very
collaborative nice way to do it it's also a good
skill for hypnotists to have because so is really
good at doing it off the cuff but if you are
brand new you've never done it it can be really
daunting to be like, okay, I've got this person
in front of me and I just kind of have to talk
at them for an hour. Like, I'm going to run out
of words. I can imagine people would lean very
much one way or another because it's a different
skill, but I imagine one with a bit of crossover.
I used to, in a previous job, I used to do a
lot of guided meditations. I worked in drug and
alcohol services and I ran a meditation group.
And some people do those with a script and someone
that I worked with used to do theirs from a script.
But I used to just go in with a rough idea in
my head of what kind of visualizations I would
do. would do what kind of exercises would be
built into it and i would just do it and because
i was doing it a couple of times a week it came
very naturally to me and i'm the same if i'm
reading something i have a reading voice and
it doesn't sound quite the same when i'm making
tiktok videos most of them i'm just talking off
the cuff but occasionally if it's like a voiceover
on a sort of a montage kind of video i'll script
those and i can tell that my voice sounds different
and it's not worse but it's different and for
hypno i can imagine that would make a big difference
yeah it really does yeah for sure I mentioned
the intent earlier with the way that talking
matters a lot to it. If you're messing up the
way that you talk from how you would normally
do hypnosis. The person's going to notice and
it's going to affect their ability to actually
go into trance. So that's a skill that I do need.
It's a really good thing if you're getting into
hypnosis because you get to decide what your
hypnotic voice will be. But unfortunately, because
we've been doing it for six years, if so, just
suddenly it's like, actually, I'm going to do
it like this from now on. I'm going to be stood
there like, what's happening? This is not my
hypnotist. I don't know who you are. And we'd
have to do all of the getting used to that all
over again. So it would almost be like restarting
the process. But if you are brand new in the
journey, you kind of get to go, okay, well, if
I want to do scripts all the time, my reading
voice will just be the hypnotic voice. Or if
you always be like, no, I'm pretty good off the
cuff. I'm just always going to do off the cuff.
Then whatever voice you use in that will end
up being the hypnotic voice. So it's very good.
when you're starting to be able to experiment
with the different flows, how fast you speak,
how high or low you speak, all of that sort of
stuff. It's a good time for experimentation.
Not six years in though. Unfortunately. Yeah.
So I think that's something that I would struggle
with. I mean, I quite often have to talk off
the top of my head for work, but I really struggle
with like dirty talk as well. You are much better
at it than me. I think you're pretty great. And
I know it's not the same thing, but I can imagine
that panic in me of going, oh, shit, what do
I say? What am I going to say next? What am I
going to say in 30 seconds time kind of thing?
So I can imagine for me having a very least a
structure, if not a script, would probably be
quite helpful. I mean, it is definitely an option.
You don't have to have a full script that you
literally read off word by word. You can do bullet
points just to be like, I want to hit this, I
want to hit that, and I want to hit this. that
is also an option of middle ground. And especially
if you do it with the subject, the subject can
go, I don't want you to hit that bullet point.
That bullet point sucks. Let's do that one. So
there's a lot of options. It's a really diverse
kink and there's so many ways to do it. It's
fantastic. Sold. That was our sales pitch. Now
give us all your money. It is an interesting
thing. to think about because part of why we
love having guests on the podcast is that we
get to talk about kinks that we're not all that
familiar with either it's something that we're
curious about or something that we're we're not
going to do but kind of want to to learn about
interesting for us to think about at the end
of this journey how many kinks will we have developed
because we have talked to people for an hour
and a half about what they do. We're both like,
oh yeah, we'll give that a bash. We'll give that
a go. Yeah, I think, I mean, this one definitely,
it was already on our list to explore this year
and this has just made us even more sold on it.
I think I'm getting that with the podcast a little
bit as well because I do listen to it a fair
amount. And you guys did the episode of Financial
Domination. And we had dabbled in it a little
bit last year where Sir made me pay for orgasms
and then made me pay for him actually having
sex with me because he's really fucking into
denial. And I was like, OK, that was a fun experiment,
but I'm really anxious about money. So maybe
we won't do that again. And then I listened to
the financial domination episode and I was like,
oh, no. Like we talked about in that episode,
though, it's you don't have to be using huge
quantities of money. It's enough that you can
feel it. And if you're going to feel losing that
week is 50p, play with 50p. Like it doesn't have
to be being forced to buy a Lego set for your
dominant. Although 10 out of 10 would recommend.
No, would not recommend. If I have to dust any
more Lego in our flat, I would go insane. You're
going to have to dust at least two more. I'm
not absolutely dreading it. The Lego Titanic
over there was a gift, but the Lego McLaren F1
car was a Fyndon purchase. Yes. Great fun. And
you just don't dust them, do you? You leave them
alone. No, it makes sense. Well, you've told
me not to touch them, so I don't touch them.
But I feel like now that you've heard about this,
you're going to start making me dust them. Can
I get one of the little, like, air pressure,
air blower things and just go... I was just going
to ask, what do you... You'd have, like, a tiny
little kind of dust stand. He hasn't even got
me one of those. I'm like... very nervously touching
it with a cloth i'm like shaking the entire time
and i'm just like it's it's a very specific form
of torture i love it love it i feel like if i
knocked a bit off the lego especially the titanic
which has got lots of little tiny thinly bits
i feel like there would be some consequences
sometimes consequences can be quite good as well
i think that's probably partly why i've kind
of said that you don't have to dust dust them
is that just the idea of having to work out how
the piece that's fallen off goes back on again
without going through three big thick books like
that to work it out it's just awful to me i'd
rather they were dusty yeah yeah i fully knocked
something off one of his star wars lego and i
just kind of sunk to the ground i hate this You
didn't mention that. No, I didn't. I didn't say
I didn't mention that at all because I put it
back in the right spot. Are you sure about that?
I'm pretty confident. Okay. That's going to be
an inspection. We're going to find out when you
go home. Luckily, he has more than one, so it
might take him a bit. Oh, no. Well, you've gotten
them in trouble. Thanks. Thanks, guys. That just
seems to happen every time I hang out with you.
Yeah, a little bit. Was there anything else that
you wanted to talk about? I don't think we had
much else. I didn't want to go too deep because
it is such a heavy topic. There's so much to
it that we just didn't want to be like, let's
do a five -hour episode. Well, we could always
get you back again another time if there's a
different aspect you want to talk about. But
I feel like today's been a really good overview.
As with everything we talk about, we would encourage
that if people are wanting to get into this,
that they don't just learn from this one episode.
They go learn from multiple sources, do their
own research, consider their own risk, all of
that. But I think as a intro point, if people
are wanting to start thinking about this, I think
you've done amazing. And it's been really interesting
for us too. Thank you. And yeah, again, if people
want resources, Hip Hypnotist on FetLife, he
does have a whole writing about different resources
that are on there. They cover different forms
of hypnosis and things like that. Some are very
just introductory and then some are very like
more in depth. So there's a variety on there
and they should help you get into the community
to find your own resources as well. We've laid
out breadcrumbs. Excellent stuff. Well, thank
you so much for coming along. It was really lovely.
Yeah. Yeah. It was good. Thanks for having us.
Absolutely. Amazing. Thank you so much. Bye.
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