WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.740 Welcome to Don't Scare the Newbies, a podcast 00:00:01.740 --> 00:00:04.480 where we talk kink, raw and unfiltered. I'm Carisel, 00:00:04.580 --> 00:00:07.080 a lifestyle submissive in a 24 -7 dynamic who 00:00:07.080 --> 00:00:10.060 likes their kink heavy, intense and scary. And 00:00:10.060 --> 00:00:12.220 I'm S, Carisel's dominant who knows how to deliver 00:00:12.220 --> 00:00:14.080 all of the above. And today we're going to be 00:00:14.080 --> 00:00:16.059 talking about hypno kink. We've got a couple 00:00:16.059 --> 00:00:17.440 of guests who are going to tell us all about 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:20.440 it. You're going to be very sleepy, very, very 00:00:20.440 --> 00:00:44.119 sleepy. So we have guests today. Welcome, Edward 00:00:44.119 --> 00:00:45.880 and Lana. Do you want to introduce yourselves? 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:51.799 Hello, I'm Edward. I am the hypnotist of the 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:54.060 two of us. I'm, you know, interested in it. I 00:00:54.060 --> 00:00:55.939 quite like the control of it and all that sort 00:00:55.939 --> 00:00:58.380 of stuff. I'm Lana. For the functions of the 00:00:58.380 --> 00:01:00.840 podcast, I'm essentially the subject in the relationship. 00:01:01.719 --> 00:01:03.939 So I'm the one that gets all of the hypnosis 00:01:03.939 --> 00:01:08.700 stuff done to me. Excellent stuff. But you're 00:01:08.700 --> 00:01:11.359 a couple? Yes. Yeah, but do you want to tell 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:13.620 us a little bit about your dynamic and your relationship 00:01:13.620 --> 00:01:16.400 as well? So we are husband and wife. We've been 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:18.480 married for about a year now, but in total we've 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:22.079 been together six, I believe. And we're in a 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:25.340 24 -7 master -slave dynamic. Have been like that 00:01:25.340 --> 00:01:27.620 for the past year as well. So we moved in together. 00:01:28.269 --> 00:01:30.129 after getting married and then immediately moved 00:01:30.129 --> 00:01:33.769 into master's life 24 -7 full -time. It was a 00:01:33.769 --> 00:01:35.329 little bit abrupt, but you know. Yeah, it was 00:01:35.329 --> 00:01:37.790 pretty abrupt. It was like, well, now we're officially 00:01:37.790 --> 00:01:41.609 legally, I'm your property, essentially. That's 00:01:41.609 --> 00:01:44.170 how we live like it. That was a little bit of 00:01:44.170 --> 00:01:46.849 the approach, yeah. A little bit, yeah. All the 00:01:46.849 --> 00:01:48.810 commitments and all the admin as well. Like, 00:01:48.810 --> 00:01:50.530 let's just make everything as official as possible. 00:01:50.810 --> 00:01:52.829 We'd never, because we were in a long -distance 00:01:52.829 --> 00:01:54.629 relationship for five years. He lived in America 00:01:54.629 --> 00:01:57.750 and I lived in England. We moved in together, 00:01:57.930 --> 00:01:59.489 got married, and then we're in a master -slave 00:01:59.489 --> 00:02:02.870 dynamic all within three months. Wow. It was 00:02:02.870 --> 00:02:05.489 very just, like, whole commitment immediately. 00:02:06.010 --> 00:02:08.289 Excellent stuff. And I thought we moved pretty 00:02:08.289 --> 00:02:12.780 quick. That is impressive. Yeah. We were doing 00:02:12.780 --> 00:02:16.120 it for five years before that, but not nearly 00:02:16.120 --> 00:02:18.840 to that extent. No, the distance made it hard 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:21.360 to be, because I'm riddled with neurodivergency, 00:02:21.460 --> 00:02:23.740 staying on track with rules and tasks and things 00:02:23.740 --> 00:02:26.659 was so hard without the physical, like, I'll 00:02:26.659 --> 00:02:32.439 say motivation. To stay well behaved. So the 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:35.879 second you were a threat in my life. It became 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:40.919 much more approachable. Yes, it did. I love that. 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:46.400 Second, you'll be famous. That's one of the things 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:47.960 I always enjoy about talking to you is I can 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:49.560 end up getting you in trouble with my suggestions. 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:52.659 Like yesterday when you were saying that you 00:02:52.659 --> 00:02:54.960 were having a hard time getting sex and I suggested 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:57.699 that you grip Edward by the head and go, give 00:02:57.699 --> 00:03:00.520 me your penis, which has never worked for me, 00:03:00.539 --> 00:03:02.439 but I thought it was worth a try and it got you 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:04.280 in trouble. Yeah, it did. I said I'll be back 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:06.460 in five minutes and I think it was 25 minutes 00:03:06.460 --> 00:03:08.520 and I was like, no, there was consequences and 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:13.909 it was horrible. Thank you. I did get the penis 00:03:13.909 --> 00:03:17.009 though. So it did all work out in the end. So 00:03:17.009 --> 00:03:19.530 there are no consequences for my actions. Anarchy 00:03:19.530 --> 00:03:23.030 rules. You can try it again and see if that works 00:03:23.030 --> 00:03:25.370 out for you. Okay, I will. It's never worked 00:03:25.370 --> 00:03:27.210 for me. So you've got a better success rate than 00:03:27.210 --> 00:03:30.610 me. Nice. I'll take that. But that's deliberate. 00:03:31.090 --> 00:03:33.330 Like we've talked about this. The more you hootle 00:03:33.330 --> 00:03:36.110 for orgasms and penis and whatever, the less 00:03:36.110 --> 00:03:39.169 likely you are to get it just because it amuses 00:03:39.169 --> 00:03:43.610 me to torture you in that way. Because as soon 00:03:43.610 --> 00:03:45.409 as you did it and reported that it was successful, 00:03:45.430 --> 00:03:49.590 they leaned over. Hands on my head. Give me your 00:03:49.590 --> 00:03:55.789 penis. No, I'm watching maths. Yeah, I think 00:03:55.789 --> 00:03:57.530 I caught him when there was nothing better for 00:03:57.530 --> 00:03:59.930 him to do other than talk to me. So it was full 00:03:59.930 --> 00:04:03.689 luck, perfect opportunity. Yeah, luck was on 00:04:03.689 --> 00:04:08.830 my side, I think. it was like this morning i'm 00:04:08.830 --> 00:04:10.849 like i think i'm past the point where i get particularly 00:04:10.849 --> 00:04:12.629 nervous about having guests on the podcast but 00:04:12.629 --> 00:04:14.469 i was cleaning the kitchen i do like one big 00:04:14.469 --> 00:04:15.990 room clean every week and generally keep the 00:04:15.990 --> 00:04:18.529 place tidy as part of the service in our dynamic 00:04:18.529 --> 00:04:20.730 and i was quite anxious doing that i was like 00:04:20.730 --> 00:04:22.990 normally if people are coming over like i'm satisfied 00:04:22.990 --> 00:04:25.290 with the job i've done but i'm so conscious you 00:04:25.290 --> 00:04:27.529 have the same sort of dynamic service it's like 00:04:27.529 --> 00:04:30.430 so lana's gonna be judging my skills as a submissive 00:04:30.430 --> 00:04:33.699 edward's gonna be judging mix but like not keeping 00:04:33.699 --> 00:04:36.000 me on task well enough if it's not spotless like 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:38.500 the kitchen's got to be perfect i get that with 00:04:38.500 --> 00:04:40.420 all of my submissive friends because they're 00:04:40.420 --> 00:04:42.379 not slaves in the same way they're not in service 00:04:42.379 --> 00:04:44.180 dynamics but they come over and i'm like it has 00:04:44.180 --> 00:04:46.879 to be spotless because other s types will judge 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:50.180 me on my leg so they never do but i'm like it's 00:04:50.180 --> 00:04:55.899 always there and it's oh it's terrible so your 00:04:55.899 --> 00:04:57.779 dynamic is much more than hypnotic you got that 00:04:57.779 --> 00:05:02.180 24 7 domestic yeah um free use as well i think 00:05:02.180 --> 00:05:05.160 yes we are free use um i don't have sexual safe 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:06.740 words and we're currently working towards no 00:05:06.740 --> 00:05:09.980 kink safe words as well right um it's been very 00:05:09.980 --> 00:05:13.699 led by sir because um i'm very like hit me with 00:05:13.699 --> 00:05:16.579 your car like remove all of the safe words immediately 00:05:16.579 --> 00:05:19.259 yeah and he's very like maybe we don't do that 00:05:19.259 --> 00:05:21.980 maybe we work up to it maybe we take our time 00:05:21.980 --> 00:05:26.220 maybe we don't start with the car yeah start 00:05:26.220 --> 00:05:30.480 with the bike move upwards yeah That might be 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:33.160 the least surprising thing I've ever heard you 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:38.040 say. And I'm very much the same. I knew going 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:41.120 no safe word is a big commitment and it increases 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:43.199 sort of consent risks and relational risks. So 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:44.860 it's important not to do it too quickly. But 00:05:44.860 --> 00:05:46.399 I would have definitely been happy to do that 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:49.060 after about six months. And then it was Mix that 00:05:49.060 --> 00:05:50.839 needed some time to get their head around that 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:52.300 and work their way up to it. And it was about 00:05:52.300 --> 00:05:54.660 the one year mark, I think, that we got rid of 00:05:54.660 --> 00:05:59.290 safe words. We do have the... sexual safe words 00:05:59.290 --> 00:06:01.550 removed yes like i said yeah we've got those 00:06:01.550 --> 00:06:04.990 gone yeah you're not quite ready not to beat 00:06:04.990 --> 00:06:07.569 me without them just yet even though i never 00:06:07.569 --> 00:06:10.850 use them anywhere i think that's part of the 00:06:10.850 --> 00:06:13.029 learning process for it though is like the reason 00:06:13.029 --> 00:06:15.370 i wouldn't have before about six months in is 00:06:15.370 --> 00:06:17.420 when we were first playing together like mix 00:06:17.420 --> 00:06:19.439 was still figuring out what sort of good pain 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:21.360 and bad pain looks like on me and when i'm approaching 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:23.199 my limit and knowing when to push and when yeah 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:25.160 we're not so the first couple of months we were 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:27.339 together i i used my safe words quite frequently 00:06:27.339 --> 00:06:29.180 and then we had a good long stretch of me not 00:06:29.180 --> 00:06:30.959 really needing to use them and then yeah to read 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:32.519 my reactions and know what i could and couldn't 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:35.560 handle yeah so it's kind of having that trust 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:38.560 in both their ability to manage my limits well 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:41.339 and trust in their behavior to not do something 00:06:41.339 --> 00:06:43.779 irresponsible before i was ready to drop them 00:06:43.779 --> 00:06:46.000 and then they needed time to get their head around 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.300 the the responsibility of that before they were 00:06:48.300 --> 00:06:51.540 so it's always a learning curve and it's it's 00:06:51.540 --> 00:06:52.779 a really interesting way and i think a really 00:06:52.779 --> 00:06:54.180 good way of doing it as well you've removed them 00:06:54.180 --> 00:06:55.600 for some things and not others that's a really 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:58.060 good way of that yeah we've got a couple goals 00:06:58.060 --> 00:07:01.399 we want to hit in terms of kink stuff before 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:05.259 you feel comfortable uh remove them um but i 00:07:05.259 --> 00:07:07.019 am very much like i haven't used them in four 00:07:07.019 --> 00:07:10.180 months let's get rid of them i'm like shut up 00:07:10.180 --> 00:07:17.069 you're keeping them a weird kind of edging isn't 00:07:17.069 --> 00:07:21.230 it every day i get closer but not close enough 00:07:21.230 --> 00:07:29.230 what's your color i think it's one of those things 00:07:29.230 --> 00:07:30.870 that's often a misconception about kink is the 00:07:30.870 --> 00:07:33.089 idea that that dominance are the ones sort of 00:07:33.089 --> 00:07:34.990 dragging this helpless vulnerable submissive 00:07:34.990 --> 00:07:37.920 into like dangerous or intense situations and 00:07:37.920 --> 00:07:39.899 the submissive's like oh i guess i'll allow this 00:07:39.899 --> 00:07:41.860 but usually it is very much the opposite way 00:07:41.860 --> 00:07:44.000 around where the dominance like no if i fuck 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:45.860 this up i'm going to jail so we're going to be 00:07:45.860 --> 00:07:47.360 responsible we're going to be careful i'm not 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:48.740 going to damage you and the submissive is like 00:07:48.740 --> 00:07:52.980 well just hit me with your car yeah it is that 00:07:52.980 --> 00:07:54.339 weird thing isn't it because you see that cliche 00:07:54.339 --> 00:07:56.220 a lot especially on places like fetlife like 00:07:56.220 --> 00:07:58.500 the submissive has all of the power in a ds dynamic 00:07:58.500 --> 00:08:01.509 and i don't necessarily I don't agree with that. 00:08:01.629 --> 00:08:04.970 No. But there is that weird thing of kind of 00:08:04.970 --> 00:08:07.569 going at the right pace and who's really driving 00:08:07.569 --> 00:08:09.930 it forward is a slightly different thing from 00:08:09.930 --> 00:08:11.350 saying, well, the submissive has all the power 00:08:11.350 --> 00:08:13.649 in that situation. That's not necessarily true, 00:08:13.750 --> 00:08:16.170 actually. As a person, the dominant has a lot 00:08:16.170 --> 00:08:17.870 of agency and a lot of say, which is just as 00:08:17.870 --> 00:08:22.589 important as your unhinged requests for being 00:08:22.589 --> 00:08:25.209 hit with motor vehicles and being fucked with 00:08:25.209 --> 00:08:28.290 giant hot weed and all of that kind of stuff. 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:32.799 yeah we were trying when before we started recording 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:35.460 we were trying to work out where we met yes and 00:08:35.460 --> 00:08:37.759 it took it took us a minute yeah because it all 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:40.120 kind of happened very quickly and somehow very 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:44.240 slowly yes yeah yeah yeah um and i think we worked 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:48.340 out that i met you both at a local play event 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:52.940 but I was full soup after doing play. And kind 00:08:52.940 --> 00:08:55.080 of saw Carrizo from across the room and was like, 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:58.179 I know you from TikTok. And then collapsed into 00:08:58.179 --> 00:09:00.899 the couch again and said nothing else. And I 00:09:00.899 --> 00:09:03.220 was also full soup, so it was a good time. So 00:09:03.220 --> 00:09:04.740 we were just pointing at each other from across 00:09:04.740 --> 00:09:07.799 this bar area, like, oh my God, it's you. And 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:11.059 then nothing else. And then we followed each 00:09:11.059 --> 00:09:14.960 other on Fet, me and you, I think. And then you 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:17.639 posted Lego and I was obsessed with it. Yeah. 00:09:18.299 --> 00:09:21.799 And then we matched on field? Yes. Yes, and then 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:24.139 we attempted to organise play for about... A 00:09:24.139 --> 00:09:26.940 full year. About a year. It took a year. It took 00:09:26.940 --> 00:09:30.159 a while, didn't it? It did. We managed it, but 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:36.179 it took a year. Once I was here. Yeah. For God's 00:09:36.179 --> 00:09:39.639 sake. This is why you don't leave organising 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:43.059 to me. I'm your useless submissive who's just 00:09:43.059 --> 00:09:45.519 like, maybe I'll do it. So we've mainly got you 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:47.100 here to talk about Hypno, though I feel like 00:09:47.100 --> 00:09:48.360 there's probably at least 10 different topics 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:50.580 we could get you back for. You have a wide range 00:09:50.580 --> 00:09:53.470 of interests. But what first got you both interested 00:09:53.470 --> 00:09:58.309 in exploring Hypno? So for me, it's been a consistent 00:09:58.309 --> 00:10:01.750 long running thing. I'm very interested in control. 00:10:02.169 --> 00:10:05.889 I'm very interested in vulnerability and like 00:10:05.889 --> 00:10:08.850 taking advantage of vulnerability. And so it's 00:10:08.850 --> 00:10:13.909 kind of always been a thing in my head. I do 00:10:13.909 --> 00:10:17.610 remember at least one episode of a cartoon from 00:10:17.610 --> 00:10:20.610 when I was younger that is frankly too silly 00:10:20.610 --> 00:10:24.350 to actually be interesting in hindsight, but 00:10:24.350 --> 00:10:28.350 at the time felt very taboo and a little bit 00:10:28.350 --> 00:10:32.330 scary in an interesting way, where I understood 00:10:32.330 --> 00:10:35.509 why someone would want to be on the controlling 00:10:35.509 --> 00:10:39.049 side of it, you know? It was very one of your 00:10:39.049 --> 00:10:42.529 childhood discoveries. watching TV and being 00:10:42.529 --> 00:10:44.690 like, those women are being mind -controlled. 00:10:44.990 --> 00:10:47.629 I love it. I want to do that. I don't know why, 00:10:47.769 --> 00:10:51.409 but I do. Yeah. Yeah. It was very much your big 00:10:51.409 --> 00:10:54.490 thing forever. Yeah, it has been for a very long 00:10:54.490 --> 00:10:57.549 time. And then I got into it through you, essentially. 00:10:58.450 --> 00:11:03.779 You said that. You're lying a little. immediately 00:11:03.779 --> 00:11:08.580 called out immediately um so i was very much 00:11:08.580 --> 00:11:12.639 um stereotypical afab teenager loved vampires 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:16.019 very into them and yeah and obviously part of 00:11:16.019 --> 00:11:19.120 vampires is like mind control sometimes so like 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:21.080 think true blood which i watched way too young 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:24.539 formed a lot of my sexual appetites as an adult 00:11:25.210 --> 00:11:26.830 This is why I feel really old, because I remember 00:11:26.830 --> 00:11:28.549 True Blood coming out and I was not remotely 00:11:28.549 --> 00:11:35.090 too young for it. But yeah, I remember lots of 00:11:35.090 --> 00:11:38.409 scenes of girls being mind -controlled in basements 00:11:38.409 --> 00:11:40.610 in True Blood and I was very like, that's hot. 00:11:40.789 --> 00:11:43.009 Definitely not hypnosis though, but very hot. 00:11:43.509 --> 00:11:46.730 And then I also had a few audio files that I 00:11:46.730 --> 00:11:48.549 used to get off to that were also definitely 00:11:48.549 --> 00:11:50.289 not hypnosis. I don't know what you're talking 00:11:50.289 --> 00:11:55.580 about, sir. Counting down from 100 to... I was 00:11:55.580 --> 00:11:57.679 accidentally into hypnosis before I met you. 00:11:57.860 --> 00:12:00.519 And then we got together and I was like, hypnosis 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:02.820 isn't real. It doesn't exist. Don't be silly. 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:06.039 And then we did it and I was like, shit. It did 00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:10.019 take a little bit to figure it out. We had some 00:12:10.019 --> 00:12:12.519 hiccups at the beginning. You do not visualize. 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:16.259 No. So my brain is an empty space, essentially. 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:18.580 I don't internally think and I don't have visual 00:12:18.580 --> 00:12:22.029 images. So hypnosis at the beginning was... difficult 00:12:22.029 --> 00:12:25.669 because i am very visual so you thought i would 00:12:25.669 --> 00:12:29.129 be too yeah and a lot of hypnosis stuff is built 00:12:29.129 --> 00:12:32.429 with the intent of either looking at specific 00:12:32.429 --> 00:12:35.309 objects or something like that or visualizing 00:12:35.309 --> 00:12:37.570 something in your mind and so they're not necessarily 00:12:37.570 --> 00:12:40.690 intended for people who don't visualize or don't 00:12:40.690 --> 00:12:43.889 have a physical thing to look at right um which 00:12:43.889 --> 00:12:46.929 meant that probably our first two or three attempts 00:12:46.929 --> 00:12:50.629 i was trying to talk you through Like a lot of 00:12:50.629 --> 00:12:52.669 visualization stuff. And I was just laid there 00:12:52.669 --> 00:12:55.250 staring at the ceiling being like, sure, I guess. 00:12:55.590 --> 00:13:00.049 I mean, I like your voice. It's nice. um this 00:13:00.049 --> 00:13:02.509 is so interesting because mix i don't think it's 00:13:02.509 --> 00:13:04.250 i don't think it's that mix can't visualize at 00:13:04.250 --> 00:13:05.990 all but definitely has a less visual mind than 00:13:05.990 --> 00:13:08.429 me and we were chatting the other day um about 00:13:08.429 --> 00:13:10.870 who was horny and who was not um and i was like 00:13:10.870 --> 00:13:12.610 i'm really horny right now and mix was like i'm 00:13:12.610 --> 00:13:14.330 not and i was like so if you're not horny what 00:13:14.330 --> 00:13:16.370 does your brain tv play and they just sort of 00:13:16.370 --> 00:13:18.190 blinked at me like what and i was like so like 00:13:18.190 --> 00:13:20.549 most of the time tv in my brain is playing porn 00:13:20.549 --> 00:13:23.610 and very occasionally if i'm not horny or i'm 00:13:23.610 --> 00:13:25.009 in a situation where i don't want to be thinking 00:13:25.009 --> 00:13:27.750 about sexual stuff my brain tv will play like 00:13:27.750 --> 00:13:29.570 stories of characters that made up when i was 00:13:29.570 --> 00:13:32.289 a kid or it will if i'm listening to music i'll 00:13:32.289 --> 00:13:34.129 like be watching a music video that my brain 00:13:34.129 --> 00:13:35.450 is generating and they were just looking at me 00:13:35.450 --> 00:13:38.409 like what so they don't they don't watch brain 00:13:38.409 --> 00:13:40.549 tv and i didn't realize that that was not an 00:13:40.549 --> 00:13:43.250 experience we were sharing you like physically 00:13:43.250 --> 00:13:45.470 walk through spaces that you're very familiar 00:13:45.470 --> 00:13:47.980 with like in my in my brain sort of navigate 00:13:47.980 --> 00:13:50.580 around yes and i used to do a lot of astral projection 00:13:50.580 --> 00:13:54.320 meditations and um like i don't know how real 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:56.220 it is obviously there's one belief that you are 00:13:56.220 --> 00:13:57.779 actually leaving your body and there's another 00:13:57.779 --> 00:13:59.480 that it's a psychological thing but it's still 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:01.940 an interesting experience to have um and i would 00:14:01.940 --> 00:14:03.940 yeah have the experience of with my eyes shut 00:14:03.940 --> 00:14:05.840 like float up out of my body and then float around 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:08.120 my flat and things like that and that i think 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:10.340 you have to have a very visual mind to be able 00:14:10.340 --> 00:14:14.100 to do yeah i can still visualize uh like stuff 00:14:14.100 --> 00:14:18.809 from my youth in pretty vivid detail whereas 00:14:18.809 --> 00:14:20.850 for me it's all a blank space there's nothing 00:14:20.850 --> 00:14:23.950 there i can just kind of vaguely be like there 00:14:23.950 --> 00:14:26.269 was a chair in the room yeah i know that which 00:14:26.269 --> 00:14:29.149 means that to bring it back to hypnosis when 00:14:29.149 --> 00:14:31.470 i'm trying to describe something where it's like 00:14:31.470 --> 00:14:33.710 oh i'm talking about a candle and focusing on 00:14:33.710 --> 00:14:35.850 it i can physically see like a little candle 00:14:35.850 --> 00:14:37.769 in my brain and it's flickering and stuff and 00:14:37.769 --> 00:14:43.500 this one is like Concepts of a candle. I've seen 00:14:43.500 --> 00:14:45.899 candles in my life. I know what a candle is. 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:49.600 But other than that, I've got nothing. And so 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:54.580 that is something that I had to adapt, was realizing 00:14:54.580 --> 00:14:56.500 I need to more talk about the physical sensations 00:14:56.500 --> 00:14:58.799 in the body, or I need to talk about actually 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:02.379 having a video, like being on video calls so 00:15:02.379 --> 00:15:05.340 that I can have an object that I have to watch 00:15:05.340 --> 00:15:09.470 while we're doing the hypnosis. those were things 00:15:09.470 --> 00:15:12.990 that I needed to adjust when it came to our particular 00:15:12.990 --> 00:15:15.830 play. And once I did that, it did work quite 00:15:15.830 --> 00:15:19.389 well. Oh, I was completely just gone. That was 00:15:19.389 --> 00:15:21.509 it, yeah. So it turns out I'm a pretty good subject 00:15:21.509 --> 00:15:27.340 when you do it right. Yeah. Skill sheet. you 00:15:27.340 --> 00:15:28.980 mentioned lana you were quite skeptical about 00:15:28.980 --> 00:15:30.480 it you didn't think it would work you didn't 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:32.559 think it was a real thing because i think that's 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:34.559 a perception a lot of people have and i know 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:36.679 a few people who are into hypno now and it's 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:38.559 not like i think that they're lying but i still 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:40.220 have that bit of skepticism in my head of like 00:15:40.220 --> 00:15:42.220 okay so maybe it works for these people but it 00:15:42.220 --> 00:15:44.440 would never work for me i'm curious to try it's 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:46.279 definitely on our list for this year but yeah 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:49.000 How did you find the scepticism was a barrier 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:50.940 at all for you giving it a go and getting into 00:15:50.940 --> 00:15:54.179 it? It was definitely at first, especially with 00:15:54.179 --> 00:15:56.279 the techniques that didn't work, that sort of 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:59.179 reaffirmed the belief of it not working. But 00:15:59.179 --> 00:16:01.799 when we figured out this actually kind of works 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:04.779 and this does as well, I sort of approached it 00:16:04.779 --> 00:16:08.059 with, well, it says big thing. I want to be able 00:16:08.059 --> 00:16:11.039 to provide this forum or at least try. It was 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:13.059 a sort of fake it till you make it at first where 00:16:13.059 --> 00:16:15.559 I was like, I'll just, you know what? If it doesn't 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:17.179 work, it doesn't work. What is the issue with 00:16:17.179 --> 00:16:19.220 me lying here in the dark with my eyes shut or 00:16:19.220 --> 00:16:22.000 whatever? And then we did it a few times and 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:23.580 I started feeling it and feeling it and it was 00:16:23.580 --> 00:16:25.100 like, oh God, I think it's actually working. 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:28.860 So it did hinder things at first, but because 00:16:28.860 --> 00:16:30.679 I was very invested in the person I was doing 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:33.480 it for, I think that definitely helped. Yeah. 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:35.139 Because otherwise it would have just been like, 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:36.700 if it was a casual player partner, I would have 00:16:36.700 --> 00:16:38.340 been like, look, it's not working. We're not 00:16:38.340 --> 00:16:40.539 doing it. Because that's one of the things I've 00:16:40.539 --> 00:16:42.240 heard about it is that it's very dependent on 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:44.500 your willingness for it to work, not necessarily 00:16:44.500 --> 00:16:47.320 your belief that you can't hypnotise someone 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:49.159 unwilling or it's at least extremely difficult. 00:16:49.899 --> 00:16:53.740 It's harder to do it. It is possible, but it 00:16:53.740 --> 00:16:55.940 is harder if the person is specifically attempting 00:16:55.940 --> 00:16:59.919 not to be hypnotised. It is very much, it works 00:16:59.919 --> 00:17:03.750 easier on willing minds. How did you, I know 00:17:03.750 --> 00:17:05.509 you said you'd seen some stuff on TV when you 00:17:05.509 --> 00:17:07.769 were a kid that got your interest in it. How 00:17:07.769 --> 00:17:09.650 did both of you kind of hear about it as kink? 00:17:09.690 --> 00:17:11.589 Was that something you went looking for or stumbled 00:17:11.589 --> 00:17:16.730 on? I went looking for it at an age I'm not going 00:17:16.730 --> 00:17:22.009 to mention. But yeah, I did very much go looking 00:17:22.009 --> 00:17:27.339 for it mostly in written stuff. I still do occasionally. 00:17:27.579 --> 00:17:30.400 It's probably one of the things that is closest 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:33.980 to a fetish for me in terms of things I really, 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:37.559 really like. Yeah, I would say when we're not 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:40.259 doing stuff together, if you're alone and doing 00:17:40.259 --> 00:17:43.420 stuff, you are always consuming something about 00:17:43.420 --> 00:17:45.559 mind control or hypnosis. So I would say it's 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:48.920 borderline a fetish for you at this point. But 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.240 I didn't find out about it as a kink until... 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:55.339 you like so told me about it because i was very 00:17:55.339 --> 00:17:57.099 much just like no it's a silly fiction vampire 00:17:57.099 --> 00:17:59.259 thing or it's like you know i just like the man 00:17:59.259 --> 00:18:04.119 counting while i get off just for no reason we're 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:07.140 not going to examine that or anything that's 00:18:07.140 --> 00:18:10.740 not real um so it was very you were like hey 00:18:10.740 --> 00:18:13.799 hypnosis is a kink and i was like oh okay i sure 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:17.880 we can try that and it was very useful i will 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:20.160 say yeah especially long distance yeah really 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:23.460 like useful and it was basically the main thing 00:18:23.460 --> 00:18:27.240 we did for five years yeah so when you physically 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:29.779 cannot get close to the person that you want 00:18:29.779 --> 00:18:34.799 to do a sext with or a sex call with being able 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:38.220 to hypnotize them into like feeling things that 00:18:38.220 --> 00:18:41.000 you want them to feel can be extremely convenient 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:45.490 yeah very much so Yeah, I imagine that adds a 00:18:45.490 --> 00:18:48.450 layer of intimacy too. We've just recently done 00:18:48.450 --> 00:18:50.369 an episode about long distance relationships, 00:18:50.569 --> 00:18:52.890 including some stuff about long distance intimacy 00:18:52.890 --> 00:18:54.990 and sort of the good sides of that and also the 00:18:54.990 --> 00:18:57.089 challenges of that. And I think anything you 00:18:57.089 --> 00:18:59.210 can do that makes you feel closer than you actually 00:18:59.210 --> 00:19:02.029 are, anything that makes it feel more physically 00:19:02.029 --> 00:19:04.009 interactive is going to be really powerful. So 00:19:04.009 --> 00:19:05.950 I can see how hypno would work really well in 00:19:05.950 --> 00:19:07.990 that. Yeah, it definitely did. Once we started 00:19:07.990 --> 00:19:10.690 it, we just never stopped because it made sex 00:19:10.690 --> 00:19:13.670 feel so real and close and intimate. than being, 00:19:13.710 --> 00:19:16.269 like, over a phone call. Excellent. Certainly 00:19:16.269 --> 00:19:18.210 beats those ridiculous Love Ents toys that don't 00:19:18.210 --> 00:19:22.849 really work. A little bit, yeah. I mean, to be 00:19:22.849 --> 00:19:26.210 fair, you said that using the, like, the remote 00:19:26.210 --> 00:19:28.190 control vibrator on your ex -partner worked fine, 00:19:28.269 --> 00:19:30.569 but you didn't like the toys that she would control 00:19:30.569 --> 00:19:32.890 for you. No, no, it didn't do very much for me. 00:19:33.490 --> 00:19:41.490 Just massive. Really heavy. Really weird. How... 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:46.720 how do you negotiate for for hypno because it's 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:50.960 it i know very little about how it how you do 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:53.160 it and how it works but kind of there's an unpredictable 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:55.819 element to it it seems to me about kind of how 00:19:55.819 --> 00:19:58.200 it's going to go so how did you negotiate how 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:02.880 you would approach it It's honestly quite similar 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:05.019 to how you would negotiate a lot of psychological 00:20:05.019 --> 00:20:07.759 play because you do need to manage risks around 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:10.900 emotions that you'll feel and experiences mentally 00:20:10.900 --> 00:20:12.920 that you're going to have. So if you're going 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:15.740 to do a really intense mental degradation, humiliation 00:20:15.740 --> 00:20:17.720 scene, you want to take into account a lot of 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:19.200 the same things you're going to take into account 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:22.559 with hypnosis. Yeah. Hypnosis just comes with 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:25.299 added things of like... I mean, again, after 00:20:25.299 --> 00:20:27.740 reactions of how you're going to feel after the 00:20:27.740 --> 00:20:30.509 hypnosis has gone on. things like that it's it's 00:20:30.509 --> 00:20:32.769 very similar to a lot of psychological play negotiation 00:20:32.769 --> 00:20:37.289 yeah um yeah there are interesting things where 00:20:37.289 --> 00:20:41.990 you can to some extent dictate um feeling but 00:20:41.990 --> 00:20:45.769 you do also have to be aware that there are um 00:20:45.769 --> 00:20:47.369 i think later on we're going to talk about the 00:20:47.369 --> 00:20:50.349 risks But there's emotional app reactions, which 00:20:50.349 --> 00:20:52.829 are a thing that can cause unexpected negative 00:20:52.829 --> 00:20:55.750 feelings from seemingly innocuous suggestions. 00:20:56.269 --> 00:20:58.809 Right. And that's a thing to be aware of. Yeah, 00:20:58.849 --> 00:21:00.890 because like playing with the mind in such a 00:21:00.890 --> 00:21:02.849 deep way where you are actually essentially getting 00:21:02.849 --> 00:21:05.490 into someone's head can mean that like you can 00:21:05.490 --> 00:21:07.369 bring up stuff completely unrelated to what you're 00:21:07.369 --> 00:21:09.289 doing. So especially if you've got like some 00:21:09.289 --> 00:21:11.430 form of trauma or mental health issues, if you 00:21:11.430 --> 00:21:13.869 play with something that's really degrading mentally 00:21:13.869 --> 00:21:16.289 with hypnosis, you could accidentally bring up 00:21:16.289 --> 00:21:19.150 like a lot of... closed off feelings so you need 00:21:19.150 --> 00:21:21.470 to have a plan about like what you might do if 00:21:21.470 --> 00:21:24.430 something like that happens um and obviously 00:21:24.430 --> 00:21:26.289 there's a lot of stuff that you talk about before 00:21:26.289 --> 00:21:28.990 you do a hypnosis session about like what the 00:21:28.990 --> 00:21:30.710 person wants to feel what they don't want to 00:21:30.710 --> 00:21:33.210 feel how long they want the session to be um 00:21:33.210 --> 00:21:35.250 the things they want to happen in the session 00:21:35.250 --> 00:21:37.730 it's it's very similar to a lot of kink negotiations 00:21:37.730 --> 00:21:42.990 that we do yeah um Yeah, I will say because we've 00:21:42.990 --> 00:21:44.910 been in a dynamic for so long and it's such a 00:21:44.910 --> 00:21:47.049 foundational part of our dynamic, our negotiation 00:21:47.049 --> 00:21:49.069 is probably a bit more lax than a lot of people 00:21:49.069 --> 00:21:51.509 that actually are starting to do it with new 00:21:51.509 --> 00:21:56.029 play partners. Don't announce it to everyone. 00:21:57.549 --> 00:21:59.329 That's part of your risk profile as well, isn't 00:21:59.329 --> 00:22:01.150 it? A bit of deciding as your relationship goes 00:22:01.150 --> 00:22:03.329 on how much or little negotiation you really 00:22:03.329 --> 00:22:07.069 need. I think... The culture in kink is generally 00:22:07.069 --> 00:22:08.930 that we get really explicit consent up front 00:22:08.930 --> 00:22:10.069 for everything that's going to happen in a scene 00:22:10.069 --> 00:22:11.950 anyway, but do you have to take sort of extra 00:22:11.950 --> 00:22:14.589 care with pre -negotiating consent because I 00:22:14.589 --> 00:22:16.630 guess your ability to speak up in the moment 00:22:16.630 --> 00:22:20.210 might be reduced? Yeah, some people do count 00:22:20.210 --> 00:22:22.829 it as a form of CNC because it is almost like 00:22:22.829 --> 00:22:26.269 being asleep. You are in a more vulnerable space 00:22:26.269 --> 00:22:28.809 where you can take on suggestions and ideas really 00:22:28.809 --> 00:22:31.069 easily, which means that you are more vulnerable. 00:22:32.490 --> 00:22:35.430 also i get something called hypnotic amnesia 00:22:35.430 --> 00:22:38.210 where when i am in trance when i wake up i will 00:22:38.210 --> 00:22:40.369 not remember anything that's happened that's 00:22:40.369 --> 00:22:42.170 not something he's built into me that is something 00:22:42.170 --> 00:22:45.089 that just comes with the hardware i guess but 00:22:45.089 --> 00:22:48.730 that means in the beginning anyway we had to 00:22:48.730 --> 00:22:50.130 do a lot of conversation about what was going 00:22:50.130 --> 00:22:52.170 to happen beforehand and then afterwards he would 00:22:52.170 --> 00:22:53.710 have to tell me everything that had happened 00:22:53.710 --> 00:22:57.460 during it um because otherwise I wouldn't know. 00:22:57.599 --> 00:22:59.700 And obviously, if you're playing with a new partner 00:22:59.700 --> 00:23:02.259 and you have that where you don't remember things, 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:04.759 you are more vulnerable. Even just as a baseline, 00:23:04.940 --> 00:23:06.980 you are more vulnerable than subjects who don't 00:23:06.980 --> 00:23:09.539 get that. So it is something really to take into 00:23:09.539 --> 00:23:12.279 account and negotiate around and talk about because 00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:15.220 it can leave you open to a lot of not good stuff. 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:18.619 Yeah. There is a concept called subject agency. 00:23:20.380 --> 00:23:25.599 And it's something where a subject can... while 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:29.140 remaining in trance, still be aware enough of 00:23:29.140 --> 00:23:31.759 what is happening or have enough safeties that 00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:34.759 they have had put in or put in themselves that 00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:38.339 will keep them safe if something doesn't seem 00:23:38.339 --> 00:23:42.980 right. I've worked with Lana with that sort of 00:23:42.980 --> 00:23:47.140 thing. We have, you have a hypnotic specific 00:23:47.140 --> 00:23:51.339 safe word. I do. And... we've practiced telling 00:23:51.339 --> 00:23:54.079 you to get out of trance yeah so even though 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:56.619 i do have hypnotic amnesia we have practiced 00:23:56.619 --> 00:23:59.640 while i'm actually under trance me pulling myself 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:01.940 out of my own accord yeah it's really difficult 00:24:01.940 --> 00:24:03.680 for me because obviously i'm technically not 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:06.240 fully aware of what's going on but it was important 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:08.559 for us to practice that so that i wouldn't be 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:12.279 as vulnerable during it um especially because 00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:15.180 at the time we were long distance and so if the 00:24:15.180 --> 00:24:18.490 call drops And I'm stuck in trance and you can't 00:24:18.490 --> 00:24:20.910 call me back. There needs to be a way for them 00:24:20.910 --> 00:24:25.069 to get out of trance on their own. So that is, 00:24:25.250 --> 00:24:28.410 I think, also very important as a part of negotiation 00:24:28.410 --> 00:24:32.809 to be aware of as part of the safety for the 00:24:32.809 --> 00:24:35.329 subject. Because even if everything is going 00:24:35.329 --> 00:24:38.470 to plan, if the subject doesn't have the ability 00:24:38.470 --> 00:24:41.069 to get themselves out of trance because they're 00:24:41.069 --> 00:24:43.609 having a negative emotional reaction internally, 00:24:43.670 --> 00:24:47.049 but they can't express it. That needs to be part 00:24:47.049 --> 00:24:49.410 of the negotiation, in my opinion. Yeah, it's 00:24:49.410 --> 00:24:51.089 essentially just another way of making sure the 00:24:51.089 --> 00:24:53.829 submissive bottom subject has the ability to 00:24:53.829 --> 00:24:55.910 safe word and get themselves into a safe place 00:24:55.910 --> 00:24:59.150 while doing it. Yeah. I'm immediately thinking 00:24:59.150 --> 00:25:01.910 about the Stephen King book, Gerald's Game, where 00:25:01.910 --> 00:25:04.289 the husband suddenly dies while they're doing 00:25:04.289 --> 00:25:05.930 some bondage and she's handcuffed to the bed 00:25:05.930 --> 00:25:08.750 and then she has to get herself out. Quite unpleasant. 00:25:09.410 --> 00:25:11.049 But it feels like there's almost a psychological 00:25:11.049 --> 00:25:12.769 equivalent of that going on there, where you 00:25:12.769 --> 00:25:16.750 said about the call dropping or if the dominant 00:25:16.750 --> 00:25:19.730 or the top has some kind of emergency. If they're 00:25:19.730 --> 00:25:21.589 not able to get you out of trance, you need the 00:25:21.589 --> 00:25:23.450 ability to do that for yourself, preferably without. 00:25:23.819 --> 00:25:25.839 peeling the skin off your hands yeah absolutely 00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:28.839 yeah preferable not to do that for sure then 00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:30.680 um so i was going to ask about what it does for 00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:32.160 you i think edward sort of covered that it's 00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:35.279 a lot about centered around control and and eroticizing 00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:37.599 that that complete control of someone's mind 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:39.940 it's interesting to think about what does it 00:25:39.940 --> 00:25:41.599 do for you lana if you don't remember any of 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:44.779 it does that take any of the fun out um so i 00:25:44.779 --> 00:25:51.410 am a big cnc bitch um hard same yeah um love 00:25:51.410 --> 00:25:54.470 it um it's one of the foundations of my kink 00:25:54.470 --> 00:25:58.309 it is very like going under hypnosis and coming 00:25:58.309 --> 00:26:00.509 out and having no idea about what's happened 00:26:00.509 --> 00:26:02.869 is such a hot concept to me it's very much like 00:26:02.869 --> 00:26:05.769 doing stuff in your sleep it's very like oh i've 00:26:05.769 --> 00:26:09.349 just been so vulnerable and i've been used and 00:26:09.349 --> 00:26:13.819 whatever um it does a lot for me but also trance 00:26:13.819 --> 00:26:16.519 is not the full experience trance can be the 00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:18.259 beginning of the scene and then there's loads 00:26:18.259 --> 00:26:20.259 of stuff that end up happening after trance because 00:26:20.259 --> 00:26:22.240 of what he suggested while i'm in that state 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:24.380 so i come out of trance having no idea what's 00:26:24.380 --> 00:26:26.500 happened and suddenly i'm acting differently 00:26:26.500 --> 00:26:29.440 and i don't know why and i'm like in my head 00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:31.599 i'm here and i'm freaking out and i'm like oh 00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:33.819 my god i can't get out of this someone's got 00:26:33.819 --> 00:26:36.440 complete control of me but my body is performing 00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:38.640 in a different way to how i'm feeling and it's 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:41.690 very hot actually having no control over myself 00:26:41.690 --> 00:26:45.069 yeah so yeah it's very control on the opposite 00:26:45.069 --> 00:26:48.470 side that makes sense yeah because it's the idea 00:26:48.470 --> 00:26:50.089 of having no memory of stuff that had happened 00:26:50.089 --> 00:26:52.069 to me is really hot in theory but it's not something 00:26:52.069 --> 00:26:54.369 i've experienced we've done some sleep stuff 00:26:54.369 --> 00:26:56.170 but i'm such a light sleeper i will wake up immediately 00:26:56.170 --> 00:26:57.890 like nothing really happens to me that i'm not 00:26:57.890 --> 00:27:00.849 aware of when i'm asleep um so i don't know how 00:27:00.849 --> 00:27:02.450 well that fantasy would translate to reality 00:27:02.450 --> 00:27:04.230 but it sounds like it's translated real well 00:27:04.230 --> 00:27:06.730 for you oh yeah definitely for sure i'm very 00:27:06.730 --> 00:27:12.339 privileged in that Carisa mentioned earlier on 00:27:12.339 --> 00:27:13.799 that kind of hypnosis is something that's on 00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:18.259 our list to learn about. How did you go about 00:27:18.259 --> 00:27:20.720 educating yourself on how to do it safely, all 00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:23.059 of the negotiation and techniques and things 00:27:23.059 --> 00:27:28.019 like that? There are a number. So unfortunately, 00:27:28.180 --> 00:27:31.819 it can be a bit hard to find specifically kink 00:27:31.819 --> 00:27:35.240 or erotic hypnosis things because hypnosis is 00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:38.680 very intertwined and very associated with hypnotherapy 00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:42.220 and stuff. A lot of the people that are very 00:27:42.220 --> 00:27:47.619 into hypno kink basically end up having to read 00:27:47.619 --> 00:27:50.500 these things in order to find better ways to 00:27:50.500 --> 00:27:55.359 go about a trance or go about an induction. But 00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:58.420 there are a number of resources that are just 00:27:58.420 --> 00:28:02.759 online um we you kind of stumbled into them unfortunately 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:05.779 because it's it's very much a thing of like when 00:28:05.779 --> 00:28:08.599 people search for hypnosis generally it's hypnotherapy 00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:14.000 or it's stage hypnosis yeah um it's very um What's 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:15.559 the word? Clinical's not the right word, but 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:18.539 it's very, like, academic. So finding erotic 00:28:18.539 --> 00:28:20.480 hypnosis means you have to go into the depths 00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:24.000 of, like, FetLife or Horny Twitter or, like, 00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:26.140 things like that. Find sex workers who do it. 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:28.779 But once you find someone who does education 00:28:28.779 --> 00:28:31.859 on it, you end up falling into about 60 other 00:28:31.859 --> 00:28:34.140 people who also do education on it because they're 00:28:34.140 --> 00:28:36.740 all quite a tight -knit community. Right. So 00:28:36.740 --> 00:28:38.940 once you find one, you do kind of hit a goldmine 00:28:38.940 --> 00:28:42.619 of education. But it... i think it took us like 00:28:42.619 --> 00:28:45.220 maybe the full five years for us to get a good 00:28:45.220 --> 00:28:48.400 amount of actual resources yeah that were functional 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:51.900 for us as erotic hypno like people specifically 00:28:51.900 --> 00:28:54.980 yeah yeah um so we have managed to find them 00:28:54.980 --> 00:28:58.660 but it is a bit of a difficulty yeah i think 00:28:58.660 --> 00:29:01.200 i have some of them on my fat life account yeah 00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:02.900 if you're comfortable sharing your fat life uh 00:29:02.900 --> 00:29:06.349 it's hip hypnotist yeah Which is quite funny. 00:29:06.390 --> 00:29:08.309 We found out that's actually a hypnotist from 00:29:08.309 --> 00:29:11.049 the 50s or something. She's like blonde. She's 00:29:11.049 --> 00:29:15.029 got big, like big hair. Stage hypnotist. We didn't 00:29:15.029 --> 00:29:16.849 know that when he made his fet life. But yeah, 00:29:16.910 --> 00:29:20.410 he's fully ripped her off. Should do a like a 00:29:20.410 --> 00:29:22.630 photo set dressed up as her. Oh, that would be 00:29:22.630 --> 00:29:28.640 cool. Do drag. Oh, the look I got. I see the 00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:31.339 look, I recognise that feeling the enthusiasm 00:29:31.339 --> 00:29:35.220 for that idea I've been trying to convince Mix 00:29:35.220 --> 00:29:37.059 to let me do their lashes since I've started 00:29:37.059 --> 00:29:38.640 doing cluster lashes I'm like, I wanted to have 00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:40.500 more practice, let me do your lashes and they're 00:29:40.500 --> 00:29:42.220 like, no I've seen what you do, it's awful it's 00:29:42.220 --> 00:29:44.380 proper body horror, absolutely not the outcome 00:29:44.380 --> 00:29:47.980 is amazing, the process is awful but also I have 00:29:47.980 --> 00:29:49.819 lovely lashes anyway you do, you have beautiful 00:29:49.819 --> 00:29:54.019 eyelashes so it feels to me like hypno is one 00:29:54.019 --> 00:29:56.960 of those things which is either unofficially 00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.099 or officially censored in spaces like FetLife. 00:30:00.299 --> 00:30:02.740 So has that been a challenge for you as well? 00:30:02.740 --> 00:30:04.640 Is that true on other platforms? And does it 00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:07.240 make it harder to find reliable resources? It 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:10.440 is definitely true that, I mean, especially if 00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:13.839 you're looking for the sex worker side of it, 00:30:13.980 --> 00:30:18.980 they have moved from probably five different 00:30:18.980 --> 00:30:22.140 platforms trying to find ones that even accept 00:30:22.140 --> 00:30:27.759 minimal allusions to it. and it's not great um 00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:33.619 they do till still tend to be able to make allusions 00:30:33.619 --> 00:30:37.200 to it on twitter but you have to be careful with 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:42.740 it in general like i said there are some um specific 00:30:42.740 --> 00:30:45.000 resources that we've found that we think are 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:49.880 we i won't say that the people who made them 00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:51.980 are all great but the resources themselves are 00:30:51.980 --> 00:30:55.059 very useful in my opinion yeah um censorship 00:30:55.059 --> 00:30:58.119 is a big one with hypnosis because of how it 00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:00.960 falls under the cnc umbrella i think because 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.299 it is very a lot of the misconceptions around 00:31:03.299 --> 00:31:05.519 hypnosis is you can make people do things they 00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:08.039 don't want to do you can fully take advantage 00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:11.859 of people you can like it's mind control it's 00:31:11.859 --> 00:31:15.819 magic it's you know these people are not consenting 00:31:15.819 --> 00:31:18.660 because they're under the spell of hypnosis so 00:31:18.660 --> 00:31:21.180 a lot of stuff that directly mentioned hypnosis 00:31:21.180 --> 00:31:25.099 gets taken down or like um card processes won't 00:31:25.099 --> 00:31:28.019 work with sex workers who do it explicitly yeah 00:31:28.019 --> 00:31:30.740 and it does mean finding erotic hypnosis resources 00:31:30.740 --> 00:31:33.920 tends to end up in small bubbles of like horny 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:35.660 twitter because it's a community thing where 00:31:35.660 --> 00:31:37.519 they are hidden away slightly in the shadows 00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:40.240 so things don't get taken down yeah and it does 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:42.019 make it really difficult it's why it probably 00:31:42.019 --> 00:31:44.380 took us about five years to actually get the 00:31:44.380 --> 00:31:46.519 resources we've got yeah to put them all together 00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:49.700 which does mean like you said we can't vouch 00:31:49.700 --> 00:31:52.299 for the people behind all of the resources um 00:31:52.700 --> 00:31:55.539 but the resources as individual items are very 00:31:55.539 --> 00:31:58.759 good because sometimes you do just have to take 00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:02.039 what you can get with the education because what 00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:04.700 that person is putting out is definitely good 00:32:04.700 --> 00:32:07.740 as a basis for your learning, but what they might 00:32:07.740 --> 00:32:09.960 be doing in their own personal lives might not 00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:13.579 be amazing. So because it is so limited as well, 00:32:13.619 --> 00:32:16.480 you have to almost remove the art from the artist 00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:19.619 with some things, which is unfortunate. And it 00:32:19.619 --> 00:32:26.549 is. pretty explicitly made uh not re not allowed 00:32:26.549 --> 00:32:29.089 on a decent number of platforms yeah it's just 00:32:29.089 --> 00:32:31.490 outright banned yeah on a lot of platforms as 00:32:31.490 --> 00:32:33.609 well like it's not even hidden censorship it's 00:32:33.609 --> 00:32:36.609 like this platform does not allow hypnosis within 00:32:36.609 --> 00:32:38.609 the list of things it doesn't allow is it one 00:32:38.609 --> 00:32:40.490 of the terms that you can't search on fat life 00:32:40.490 --> 00:32:42.450 like the content is allowed but it's not a searchable 00:32:42.450 --> 00:32:44.789 one right on that i don't know specifically about 00:32:44.789 --> 00:32:49.809 fat life but i know that like um One of the popular, 00:32:50.089 --> 00:32:56.849 there's like, I used to at one point when this 00:32:56.849 --> 00:33:00.829 one was more interested in sex work, I had a 00:33:00.829 --> 00:33:04.589 list of basically a whole series of websites 00:33:04.589 --> 00:33:07.710 that allowed explicit content and that were for 00:33:07.710 --> 00:33:10.250 selling it. And they had the things that were 00:33:10.250 --> 00:33:12.069 allowed on them. And hypnosis was one of the 00:33:12.069 --> 00:33:14.809 ones, even at the time, and it's gotten worse, 00:33:14.869 --> 00:33:17.230 where you were allowed to do things like you 00:33:17.230 --> 00:33:19.410 could say, mesmerized but you couldn't say the 00:33:19.410 --> 00:33:21.970 word hypnosis where you were allowed to say like 00:33:21.970 --> 00:33:25.430 enchanting even if explicitly what you were doing 00:33:25.430 --> 00:33:28.809 was hypnosis which is unhelpful but but they've 00:33:28.809 --> 00:33:30.910 even cracked down on enchanted and mesmerized 00:33:30.910 --> 00:33:34.230 now so like i think there's maybe two sites that 00:33:34.230 --> 00:33:36.750 allow references to hypnosis but they're not 00:33:36.750 --> 00:33:39.549 popular sites so people who do it as sex work 00:33:39.549 --> 00:33:41.950 are having to build their own websites to be 00:33:41.950 --> 00:33:44.910 able to actually sell it so it's difficult it's 00:33:44.910 --> 00:33:49.789 really difficult It's like searching for CNC 00:33:49.789 --> 00:33:53.390 -type porn on porn websites. Yeah. People who 00:33:53.390 --> 00:33:55.130 post those things have got increasingly creative 00:33:55.130 --> 00:33:57.069 about the way that they describe their tag, but 00:33:57.069 --> 00:33:59.279 it sounds like even that's not. yeah hopefully 00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:01.000 if you can't even search for the word enchanted 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.140 or mesmerized then yeah how do you find it that's 00:34:04.140 --> 00:34:05.940 part of what the struggle was when we were trying 00:34:05.940 --> 00:34:07.940 to find the resources originally because you 00:34:07.940 --> 00:34:10.219 would have to know the lingo to know how to get 00:34:10.219 --> 00:34:12.159 into the community but if you're not in the community 00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:15.300 you don't know the lingo so it was a circular 00:34:15.300 --> 00:34:17.500 thing that meant we just kind of had to shoot 00:34:17.500 --> 00:34:19.690 off in a direction and hope we'd you know hit 00:34:19.690 --> 00:34:22.170 the target which did unfortunately make our early 00:34:22.170 --> 00:34:26.630 hypnosis a little bit sketchy we'll say sketchy 00:34:26.630 --> 00:34:31.110 we'll say sketchy i don't feel like you have 00:34:31.110 --> 00:34:32.730 to share but like what what was that process 00:34:32.730 --> 00:34:36.250 like of kind of learning how to how to do it 00:34:36.250 --> 00:34:39.989 you so sir had some fundamental ideas of it because 00:34:39.989 --> 00:34:45.269 he had read um some academic stuff about hypnosis. 00:34:45.429 --> 00:34:47.969 So he understood the way that the process functioned, 00:34:47.969 --> 00:34:51.230 but he didn't have a lot of the erotic information 00:34:51.230 --> 00:34:54.090 of like the safety stuff of like it being a kink. 00:34:54.210 --> 00:34:56.949 Yeah. And a lot of the stuff that's academic 00:34:56.949 --> 00:35:00.349 is also written in a lot of jargon or heavily 00:35:00.349 --> 00:35:03.329 academic language, which makes it a little bit 00:35:03.329 --> 00:35:06.250 harder to understand exactly what they mean by 00:35:06.250 --> 00:35:10.000 this specific thing. so it was a lot of trial 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.800 and error like we tried the visualization stuff 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:14.719 and then i was like that's not working because 00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:17.980 that's not what i do um we then did actual visual 00:35:17.980 --> 00:35:20.539 stuff which worked really well so we managed 00:35:20.539 --> 00:35:22.880 to get me into trance that process was fine but 00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:25.659 once i was in trance it was the things we started 00:35:25.659 --> 00:35:30.920 playing with that were sketchy. A little bit 00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:34.380 of newbie frenzy. Newbie frenzy, for sure. Not 00:35:34.380 --> 00:35:36.460 thinking about the consequences of potentially 00:35:36.460 --> 00:35:38.559 making me feel like I'd had an arm ripped off 00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:42.659 while living in my parents' house in the middle 00:35:42.659 --> 00:35:46.119 of the night. I imagine that got a bit loud. 00:35:46.340 --> 00:35:50.719 A little bit, yes. So we played with some stuff 00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:52.079 that I was like, that's really hot, we should 00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:53.719 do it. And he was like, well, I don't see why 00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:56.599 not. It's just hypnosis. And then we did it and 00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:59.019 it was like, oh, actually. Maybe don't. Maybe 00:35:59.019 --> 00:36:03.019 don't start there. It's very like being like, 00:36:03.099 --> 00:36:05.340 oh, I'd love to do impact and starting with like 00:36:05.340 --> 00:36:08.320 whips and like, you know, like full on instead 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:10.519 of going with the Ann Summers paddle going straight 00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:14.320 to like spiky bats, you know. So I did that. 00:36:15.260 --> 00:36:17.679 And it's the kind of thing that hindsight is 00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:19.900 kind of easy to go, oh, crikey, kind of dodged 00:36:19.900 --> 00:36:24.679 a bullet there. But not a massively surprising 00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:27.619 thing to do. I think everybody, when you come 00:36:27.619 --> 00:36:29.420 into the kink scene or when you discover a new 00:36:29.420 --> 00:36:31.519 kink, you do kind of go, oh, yes, I want to do 00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:34.059 all of the things immediately. That sounds really 00:36:34.059 --> 00:36:37.519 hot. What could possibly go wrong? I can imagine 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:39.420 with hypno as well, if you're new to it, thinking 00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:41.139 like, yeah, but it's not going to be that realistic. 00:36:41.739 --> 00:36:44.599 So like being told to... think that your arm's 00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:46.400 been ripped off. Probably in both of your heads, 00:36:46.420 --> 00:36:47.320 you were like, it's going to be sort of like 00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:48.659 cartoon violence. You're not going to really 00:36:48.659 --> 00:36:50.340 fully believe it. And I'm guessing that's not 00:36:50.340 --> 00:36:52.860 how that landed. Yeah, because I originally was 00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:54.500 like, well, I don't fully believe in it. Like, 00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:56.480 I'm feeling relaxed. I'm kind of taking on what 00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:58.980 he's saying, but it's just hypnosis. It's not 00:36:58.980 --> 00:37:01.519 really that real. Cut to me screaming in the 00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:03.280 middle of the night, being like, oh my God, my 00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:05.619 arm's gone. And he's like, shit, shit, I'm sorry. 00:37:07.300 --> 00:37:10.019 I think in Sir's head, it was very like, it'll 00:37:10.019 --> 00:37:12.599 probably be painful, but it won't be like... 00:37:12.829 --> 00:37:16.590 as real as you know yeah that and then was not 00:37:16.590 --> 00:37:20.849 my smartest it was hot though i will say that 00:37:20.849 --> 00:37:26.369 so this is the problem with the submissive that 00:37:26.369 --> 00:37:30.210 wants to get hit by a car oh yeah it hurt a lot 00:37:30.210 --> 00:37:33.530 and it was a bit of a bad idea it was hot though 00:37:33.530 --> 00:37:36.210 so why don't we do it again yeah it's like i 00:37:36.210 --> 00:37:38.190 will do it again we shouldn't have started there 00:37:39.759 --> 00:37:42.880 but that was awful it was deeply traumatic it 00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:45.179 was a terrible experience when can we do it again 00:37:45.179 --> 00:37:48.739 it's not like a good time to me i mean literally 00:37:48.739 --> 00:37:52.880 me after the interrogation yeah came out of it 00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:54.940 like a shell of a human like oh my god what did 00:37:54.940 --> 00:37:56.909 i just go through like okay so when can we do 00:37:56.909 --> 00:38:01.429 another yeah yeah yeah we did an interrogation 00:38:01.429 --> 00:38:03.289 very early on in our dynamic when we visited 00:38:03.289 --> 00:38:06.389 each other and it was very like baby steps into 00:38:06.389 --> 00:38:08.289 interrogation and i've been trying to convince 00:38:08.289 --> 00:38:10.289 him to do another one since and you did yours 00:38:10.289 --> 00:38:12.789 and i was showing him all the photos being like 00:38:12.789 --> 00:38:15.489 so please please look at how fun this is and 00:38:15.489 --> 00:38:18.849 it's just photos of you crying yeah for three 00:38:18.849 --> 00:38:23.289 hours it's so fun please and he's just like there's 00:38:23.289 --> 00:38:27.699 something wrong with you and i'm like yeah Yeah. 00:38:27.699 --> 00:38:33.880 Five years in, you know this about me. I mean, 00:38:33.940 --> 00:38:36.039 you figure it out, but you never stop being surprised 00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:42.059 by it. It's that look. I have a look, don't I? 00:38:42.139 --> 00:38:44.539 When you suggest something and it's just completely 00:38:44.539 --> 00:38:49.900 unhinged. What is going on in that weird little 00:38:49.900 --> 00:38:53.940 brain of yours? Yeah, but usually you find it 00:38:53.940 --> 00:38:59.190 hot as well. Yeah. One of us has to keep me out 00:38:59.190 --> 00:39:01.969 of jail. The thing is that finding it hot from 00:39:01.969 --> 00:39:07.909 the side of doing the awful thing is almost incomprehensible 00:39:07.909 --> 00:39:11.949 wanting it from the other side. Like, I appreciate 00:39:11.949 --> 00:39:17.239 that people do, but... I can't imagine wanting 00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:21.059 it. Yeah, your signature move, sir, is taking 00:39:21.059 --> 00:39:22.559 off your glasses and putting your head in your 00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:28.019 hands. Glasses are handy for that, for really 00:39:28.019 --> 00:39:29.820 having a prop to express your disappointment. 00:39:30.699 --> 00:39:32.820 It's almost usually followed by the glasses going 00:39:32.820 --> 00:39:38.780 back on and going, okay, how? And I think that's 00:39:38.780 --> 00:39:41.460 the thing, because I'm very similar to you, is 00:39:41.460 --> 00:39:46.550 easily... 95 % of the stuff that I do to Carisel, 00:39:46.610 --> 00:39:49.909 I would not want even half of it, half as intense 00:39:49.909 --> 00:39:52.269 happening to me. So you kind of hear this completely 00:39:52.269 --> 00:39:55.070 unhinged thing and you go, that's just ridiculous. 00:39:56.769 --> 00:40:00.309 Okay, but how might we achieve that? How do we 00:40:00.309 --> 00:40:03.750 actually do that? In a way that doesn't put them 00:40:03.750 --> 00:40:09.889 in hospital or me in prison. Or both. Likely 00:40:09.889 --> 00:40:12.849 both. Hypno sounds like it's something that you 00:40:12.849 --> 00:40:15.909 could use for a huge variety of things. What 00:40:15.909 --> 00:40:18.050 are some of the highlight scenes that you've 00:40:18.050 --> 00:40:24.510 done with it? I mean, just to point out the use 00:40:24.510 --> 00:40:26.670 it for a variety of things. So likes to call 00:40:26.670 --> 00:40:29.429 it the chocolate sauce of kinks. Well, like, 00:40:29.429 --> 00:40:32.230 no, nothing's bad with chocolate sauce on top 00:40:32.230 --> 00:40:34.829 of it most of the time. So like if you're doing 00:40:34.829 --> 00:40:37.210 a kink, if you add a little hypnosis, it's not, 00:40:37.210 --> 00:40:41.789 you know, it's not going to suffer for it. Obviously, 00:40:41.789 --> 00:40:43.909 if you're talking about beans on toast, I don't 00:40:43.909 --> 00:40:47.269 think it would work. It would smash. 100 % chocolate 00:40:47.269 --> 00:40:49.570 sauce on beans on toast. I think it'd be good. 00:40:49.809 --> 00:40:52.510 Yeah. We have these debates all the time. I'm 00:40:52.510 --> 00:40:56.210 very big on sweet and savoury. Mix is not. Mix 00:40:56.210 --> 00:40:58.389 is deeply upset by even things like just dunking 00:40:58.389 --> 00:41:00.110 fries in a milkshake. So when I start putting 00:41:00.110 --> 00:41:02.590 cake frosting on pork pies, they're just traumatised 00:41:02.590 --> 00:41:05.929 by me. Yeah. I, at one Christmas, put spring 00:41:05.929 --> 00:41:08.719 rolls into a chocolate kettle. Gorgeous. It was 00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:11.039 fantastic. Onion rings and white chocolate is 00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:14.900 another one. Nice. I will do that. I do understand 00:41:14.900 --> 00:41:17.460 the fries in a milkshake. That's the sweet and 00:41:17.460 --> 00:41:19.880 salty thing. But I think a better version of 00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:22.119 that is chicken and waffles. But we're off topic. 00:41:22.300 --> 00:41:29.369 We are. We are. So. I think a lot of people don't 00:41:29.369 --> 00:41:32.650 understand or don't appreciate how useful it 00:41:32.650 --> 00:41:35.809 can be in different circumstances. Yeah, it's 00:41:35.809 --> 00:41:38.289 enhanced a lot of our play in ways that's really 00:41:38.289 --> 00:41:41.929 cool. Like, for one that I remember as being 00:41:41.929 --> 00:41:45.530 an interesting application was enhancing the 00:41:45.530 --> 00:41:48.110 feeling of sensory play using hypnosis, where 00:41:48.110 --> 00:41:50.510 it felt a lot more intense and it felt like you 00:41:50.510 --> 00:41:53.500 had these sort of... trails of additional sensation 00:41:53.500 --> 00:41:56.559 following whatever like i was tracing on you 00:41:56.559 --> 00:41:59.840 yeah well i like almost felt it inside my body 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:02.199 yeah which meant after an hour of it i was non 00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:05.139 -verbal completely unable to move just putty 00:42:05.139 --> 00:42:08.960 it was fantastic but one of my highlights is 00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:11.460 we did a cnc scene where i couldn't recognize 00:42:11.460 --> 00:42:14.260 him i've i've heard about this scene i really 00:42:14.260 --> 00:42:16.619 want to do like i couldn't recognize his voice 00:42:16.619 --> 00:42:18.880 i couldn't recognize his face i didn't know who 00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:22.090 he was it It's one of the hottest things we've 00:42:22.090 --> 00:42:26.050 ever done. I'm guessing you wouldn't recommend 00:42:26.050 --> 00:42:30.710 that as your first hypnosis. Oh no. Oh god. Another 00:42:30.710 --> 00:42:32.610 one of your favourites was the dollification 00:42:32.610 --> 00:42:36.550 one. Yes, we did do that. Where that one was 00:42:36.550 --> 00:42:39.789 sort of a much more gradual one. Where you had 00:42:39.789 --> 00:42:43.110 like the feeling of hardness and stiffness sort 00:42:43.110 --> 00:42:45.269 of overcoming you. In my limbs. And I couldn't 00:42:45.269 --> 00:42:47.130 move them of my own accord. And he would move 00:42:47.130 --> 00:42:48.730 them and they would stay in position. And then 00:42:48.730 --> 00:42:51.570 I would be pausable. And I just couldn't move 00:42:51.570 --> 00:42:54.869 on my own. And I was very just a doll. I felt 00:42:54.869 --> 00:42:58.469 ball jointed. Like actually, it was wild. But 00:42:58.469 --> 00:43:01.030 I was still present in my head. But my body would 00:43:01.030 --> 00:43:03.250 not listen to me. It was really interesting. 00:43:03.650 --> 00:43:05.690 And it was really fun almost having an outside 00:43:05.690 --> 00:43:09.510 perspective of watching him use my body. like 00:43:09.510 --> 00:43:13.269 a sex doll it was really hot yeah i would add 00:43:13.269 --> 00:43:14.769 that to the list of things i want to try as well 00:43:14.769 --> 00:43:16.769 i'm just i'm just here shopping i'm like i want 00:43:16.769 --> 00:43:18.469 to do that i want to do that that's why you've 00:43:18.469 --> 00:43:21.289 got us on really just so you can i see your little 00:43:21.289 --> 00:43:26.630 notepad over there um we do pet play as well 00:43:26.630 --> 00:43:31.039 so um i'm a puppy um and we've done pet play 00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:33.139 where i can't use our process human language 00:43:33.139 --> 00:43:35.679 as well so he's speaking to me in english and 00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:37.619 i'm like i don't know what you're talking about 00:43:37.619 --> 00:43:41.380 i'm just here hanging out like i can tell by 00:43:41.380 --> 00:43:43.760 tone that he's saying something positive or negative 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:46.760 but now i've got nothing so i'm just very dog 00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:49.280 that's such a good idea like using hypno to enhance 00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:51.099 things like pet play i imagine could be similar 00:43:51.099 --> 00:43:53.840 for age play as well to add like more depth to 00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:56.579 it, put you more into that headspace. I can immediately 00:43:56.579 --> 00:43:58.280 see how it could be, it could have applications 00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:00.300 for us for bimbofication as well, like just dial 00:44:00.300 --> 00:44:03.380 down the brain quite a lot. So I think, I don't 00:44:03.380 --> 00:44:05.679 remember who out of you two I talked to about 00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:08.659 this, but we have been doing bimbofication, but 00:44:08.659 --> 00:44:10.420 we've been doing the opposite side of what you've 00:44:10.420 --> 00:44:12.380 been doing. So you've done the very physical 00:44:12.380 --> 00:44:16.139 aspects of like the dyed hair, the... tan all 00:44:16.139 --> 00:44:18.380 of that sort of stuff whereas we started with 00:44:18.380 --> 00:44:21.360 like iq reduction and like me not being able 00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:23.760 to count higher than a certain number and like 00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:26.039 trailing off sentences and just giggling and 00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:28.300 like you know having full bimbo days where i'm 00:44:28.300 --> 00:44:30.039 like i don't know what's going on everything's 00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:34.679 pink and lovely and that's been really great 00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:38.440 yeah we did the brain fucking scene as well where 00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:41.059 I could feel your cock sliding into my ear. And 00:44:41.059 --> 00:44:43.880 every time you thrusted in, my intelligence would 00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:47.940 go down. Oh, wow. Yeah. And it was, like... And, 00:44:47.980 --> 00:44:49.500 like, every time you thrusted in, it was this 00:44:49.500 --> 00:44:52.019 big, like, explosion of pleasure, and I would 00:44:52.019 --> 00:44:54.360 feel myself unable to, like, answer his questions 00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:57.000 as well. And, like, he'd ask what my name was, 00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:01.420 and I was like, I don't know. I'm just here. 00:45:01.780 --> 00:45:06.380 I'm having a great time. Because that is something 00:45:06.380 --> 00:45:09.610 that really... is is an interesting idea because 00:45:09.610 --> 00:45:11.530 you're right kind of our version of bimbofication 00:45:11.530 --> 00:45:13.630 has very much been on the the kind of the aesthetic 00:45:13.630 --> 00:45:15.750 yeah there's some playing with headspace but 00:45:15.750 --> 00:45:17.449 we've leaned more into the physical and the mental 00:45:17.449 --> 00:45:20.150 yeah yeah and one of the things that we talked 00:45:20.150 --> 00:45:23.550 about early on in that when we were thinking 00:45:23.550 --> 00:45:27.909 about bimbofication was i didn't want to get 00:45:27.909 --> 00:45:30.130 carizal into a position where they fundamentally 00:45:30.130 --> 00:45:32.570 change who they were i like the fact that they're 00:45:33.610 --> 00:45:35.329 who they are and they're as intelligent as they 00:45:35.329 --> 00:45:37.369 are and they're as articulate as they are i wouldn't 00:45:37.369 --> 00:45:40.929 want to because again you kind of wonder about 00:45:40.929 --> 00:45:43.389 the line between fantasy and reality but you 00:45:43.389 --> 00:45:47.090 hear about people on these bimbo journeys kind 00:45:47.090 --> 00:45:49.650 of fundamentally changing their iq and stuff 00:45:49.650 --> 00:45:51.789 like that but doing that in a controlled space 00:45:51.789 --> 00:45:54.929 in a more controlled way i think it's really 00:45:54.929 --> 00:45:57.760 really interesting to think about Yeah, because 00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:00.340 neither of us want me to actually permanently 00:46:00.340 --> 00:46:02.980 be less intelligent. I have two jobs that require 00:46:02.980 --> 00:46:05.800 my brain. Even if you were cool with it, that 00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:07.619 would cause some issues in my life. But being 00:46:07.619 --> 00:46:09.699 able to turn it on and off like that. Absolutely. 00:46:10.380 --> 00:46:15.400 Yeah. Amazing. Things to go and research. Maybe 00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:18.619 not start though. Maybe. Don't do as we do. Yeah. 00:46:19.539 --> 00:46:21.579 What would you recommend as entry points for 00:46:21.579 --> 00:46:23.119 people trying their first couple of hypno scenes? 00:46:23.260 --> 00:46:25.320 What would be like the beginner friendly versions? 00:46:26.250 --> 00:46:30.909 Um, for hypnotists, my recommendation is almost 00:46:30.909 --> 00:46:35.329 always going to be to do gradual relaxation scenes 00:46:35.329 --> 00:46:38.989 because they're relatively easy. And I personally 00:46:38.989 --> 00:46:42.809 believe that it is a good idea to give the person 00:46:42.809 --> 00:46:47.710 like the, to give, to help the person understand 00:46:47.710 --> 00:46:52.650 like a hypnotic safety word and then basically 00:46:52.650 --> 00:46:57.639 bring them out of it. Try to give them that idea 00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:01.059 of subject agency and give them a safety valve 00:47:01.059 --> 00:47:04.119 if they need it before you do anything more difficult 00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:08.320 or more intense than that. And then on the subject 00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:13.559 side, there are files and you can read like the 00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:15.639 transcripts of them and check what's actually 00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:18.340 in them and see what makes you comfortable or 00:47:18.340 --> 00:47:22.389 uncomfortable and try those. And that can also 00:47:22.389 --> 00:47:24.710 give you an idea because there are files that 00:47:24.710 --> 00:47:27.869 are different styles of inductions and stuff 00:47:27.869 --> 00:47:29.889 like that. And that can get you a better feel 00:47:29.889 --> 00:47:32.650 for what you personally are comfortable with 00:47:32.650 --> 00:47:35.630 and what works best for you. Yeah, I think I 00:47:35.630 --> 00:47:38.380 agree with that. Well, I think. As a hypnotist, 00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:40.019 you don't want to be getting into anything way 00:47:40.019 --> 00:47:42.300 too complicated. You want to just be getting 00:47:42.300 --> 00:47:44.340 comfortable with the idea of sitting with someone, 00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:46.139 getting them down in a trance and then pulling 00:47:46.139 --> 00:47:48.219 them back up just to see if you can do it, how 00:47:48.219 --> 00:47:51.420 it feels to do it. And like you said, so with 00:47:51.420 --> 00:47:54.679 getting the safety word built in from the first 00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:57.300 session, because especially if you've never done 00:47:57.300 --> 00:48:01.630 it, it can... i before we put it in i had no 00:48:01.630 --> 00:48:03.929 access to safe words when we were doing trance 00:48:03.929 --> 00:48:06.369 yeah so i would recommend putting it in immediately 00:48:06.369 --> 00:48:08.989 and then like you said with the subject stuff 00:48:08.989 --> 00:48:11.369 i would you can practice self -hypnosis on your 00:48:11.369 --> 00:48:14.929 own meditation as a form of it um because trance 00:48:14.929 --> 00:48:18.769 is essentially just an extremely focused um sense 00:48:18.769 --> 00:48:22.340 of relaxation where you ignore the outside world 00:48:22.340 --> 00:48:24.980 and you are very inner focused maybe you have 00:48:24.980 --> 00:48:27.599 a focus point like a visual thing or like whatever 00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:30.260 um so you can practice self -hypnosis practice 00:48:30.260 --> 00:48:32.019 getting yourself in and out of that that kind 00:48:32.019 --> 00:48:34.500 of thing playing together it would just be getting 00:48:34.500 --> 00:48:36.659 yourself in trance getting back out of trance 00:48:36.659 --> 00:48:40.719 maybe playing with sensations um i wouldn't go 00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:42.599 into the heavy psychological stuff as quickly 00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:46.280 as we did no um i would take it slow We were 00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:49.179 a little stupid. We'll keep saying that, yeah. 00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.400 I would really just take it slow and also doing 00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:54.239 the research before you even start playing to 00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:56.059 see where you want to take it as well because 00:48:56.059 --> 00:48:58.960 there's so many ways to do it and places to go. 00:48:59.340 --> 00:49:02.019 Because if you only want it to enhance kinks, 00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:04.280 then you don't even really need to be doing a 00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:06.880 full hypno scene. You can just do a bit of hypno 00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:08.860 at the beginning and then do the... pet play 00:49:08.860 --> 00:49:11.639 for example that you were going to do so it's 00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:13.639 such a broad kit it's one of the worst kinks 00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:16.940 to do an episode on it's so broad it has a lot 00:49:16.940 --> 00:49:20.159 of stuff in it because we haven't even gone into 00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:23.420 how it works at all yeah it's just there's so 00:49:23.420 --> 00:49:25.579 much to it you can though absolutely tell us 00:49:25.579 --> 00:49:27.320 how it works because i have a vague understanding 00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:28.599 like you said that it's similar to meditation 00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:31.159 you get down into a trance state and get relaxed 00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:34.800 and then you're more suggestible is that um there 00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:37.579 is a concept in fiction suspension of disbelief 00:49:37.579 --> 00:49:40.159 and suspension of disbelief is the thing where 00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:43.159 you allow yourself to buy into a story and where 00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:45.460 you understand that these fictional characters 00:49:45.460 --> 00:49:49.500 or these actors in a movie are doing things and 00:49:49.500 --> 00:49:51.599 you are still emotionally invested or the character 00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:53.840 dies and you still might cry over it because 00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:56.639 it was sad and that's suspension of disbelief 00:49:56.639 --> 00:49:59.940 and fundamentally that kind of thing is heavily 00:49:59.940 --> 00:50:04.719 tied to hypnosis hypnosis is A lot of the time, 00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:08.599 a person suspending their disbelief and their 00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:11.119 brain saying, okay, this is what we believe is 00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:15.179 happening now, so it's happening. And people 00:50:15.179 --> 00:50:18.440 have higher or lower tolerances for it. People 00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:21.260 have different things that will work for them 00:50:21.260 --> 00:50:23.780 in terms of helping them get into the space in 00:50:23.780 --> 00:50:26.000 the same way that different people have different... 00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:28.639 types of stories that work for them and so hypnosis 00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:31.639 is basically trying to look at all of the ways 00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:34.619 that you can try and get a person to a point 00:50:34.619 --> 00:50:38.119 of suspension of disbelief that you can alter 00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:40.920 things about their perceptions of their surroundings 00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:44.840 or of themselves yeah and like the most basic 00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:49.860 basic session would be um you do like an induction 00:50:49.860 --> 00:50:52.320 which is literally where you just get someone 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:54.800 down into trance you talk them down into it and 00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:57.539 then you do what's called a deepener which just 00:50:57.539 --> 00:50:59.599 makes the trance deeper it makes them more relaxed 00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:02.900 it makes them more in the space and then the 00:51:02.900 --> 00:51:04.800 entrance where you can do like the suggestions 00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.679 which is essentially literally just going you 00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:10.420 might feel like this when you wake up. You might 00:51:10.420 --> 00:51:13.539 feel like that. Your body might do this when 00:51:13.539 --> 00:51:15.739 you wake up, that sort of thing, because you 00:51:15.739 --> 00:51:18.099 are suggesting it. Some people like commands, 00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:20.679 but generally suggestions are the way to go. 00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:23.519 And then you would wake them up out of trance, 00:51:23.539 --> 00:51:25.440 they would come back out, and then anything you 00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:27.559 had suggested during trance would then happen. 00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:30.059 And then during the trance is when you would 00:51:30.059 --> 00:51:32.940 also say, for example, once we have done this, 00:51:32.940 --> 00:51:37.199 this, and this, the hypnosis will end. um and 00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:40.039 that is the most basic version of a hypnosis 00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:43.579 session um and like sir said it is all about 00:51:43.579 --> 00:51:45.940 getting you to suspend your disbelief it is all 00:51:45.940 --> 00:51:48.179 about getting you to buy in because if you don't 00:51:48.179 --> 00:51:51.039 buy in it's going to be way harder yeah so that 00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:53.719 is literally the most basic but there's people 00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:57.480 do uh non -trans hypnosis people do awake trances 00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:00.300 people do it's so varied but that is the most 00:52:00.300 --> 00:52:04.840 basic like version of it all it's just fascinating 00:52:05.389 --> 00:52:10.969 It sounds like real magic. It does. It falls 00:52:10.969 --> 00:52:13.150 between real magic and the brain just being a 00:52:13.150 --> 00:52:15.670 computer that you can reprogram. Either way, 00:52:15.670 --> 00:52:17.610 just nuts. Yeah, it feels like it a lot, but 00:52:17.610 --> 00:52:20.190 when you're in it. That's what you call me as 00:52:20.190 --> 00:52:23.909 the magician or whatever. Magic man. Me and my 00:52:23.909 --> 00:52:27.369 magic words. Yes. I like your funny words, magic 00:52:27.369 --> 00:52:33.780 man. Yeah. And when you do it, is it always very 00:52:33.780 --> 00:52:37.559 time bound or kind of event bound? So you were 00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:41.940 saying, go into the trance. When you wake up, 00:52:41.980 --> 00:52:43.760 this is the sequence of things that will happen. 00:52:43.820 --> 00:52:45.880 And when that sequence of things happens, then 00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:48.860 whatever suggestion was in plan, it is gone, 00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:53.000 essentially. So it depends. As always with hypnosis. 00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:56.760 The annoying part. But there are definitely ones 00:52:56.760 --> 00:52:59.360 where we've done where... they basically end 00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:03.440 after a certain point. So for example, to call 00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.059 back to one of the previous ones, the scene where 00:53:06.059 --> 00:53:10.880 they didn't recognize me, obviously that ended 00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:14.300 at some point because they recognized me. But 00:53:14.300 --> 00:53:19.940 there were things that I put in during the trance 00:53:19.940 --> 00:53:22.679 that were like, during this, up until this point, 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:25.880 you will not be able to recognize my voice, my... 00:53:26.349 --> 00:53:28.710 like what i look like anything like that yeah 00:53:28.710 --> 00:53:31.550 um and so that was part of how i put it in during 00:53:31.550 --> 00:53:35.090 the trance was this was as you said event specific 00:53:35.090 --> 00:53:38.610 time gated type of thing yeah um but there are 00:53:38.610 --> 00:53:41.829 other things that we continue using and that 00:53:41.829 --> 00:53:45.409 are ongoing um so we have a couple of triggers 00:53:45.409 --> 00:53:50.269 in uh lana that are i have a trigger to put them 00:53:50.269 --> 00:53:52.889 into trance i have a trigger that can cause pain 00:53:52.889 --> 00:53:56.269 i have a trigger that can cause a hypnotic orgasm 00:53:56.269 --> 00:53:59.389 which is not the same as a physical one but you 00:53:59.389 --> 00:54:01.369 know it is still quite fun for me to play with 00:54:01.369 --> 00:54:06.289 um we have one that freezes them um what are 00:54:06.289 --> 00:54:08.150 some of the other ones i'm unsure as well so 00:54:08.150 --> 00:54:13.599 but like we this um the iq brain fucking scene 00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:17.760 we did that was we did it um my brain was mush 00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:20.480 and then i just fell asleep was still under the 00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:23.139 effects and when i woke up just time had taken 00:54:23.139 --> 00:54:26.239 the effects away um because i'd had a full night's 00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:28.199 sleep i'd woken up in the morning i'd started 00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:30.420 my normal routines and because it wasn't something 00:54:30.420 --> 00:54:33.000 we were doing every single night it wasn't something 00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:35.219 my brain had kept hold of so it doesn't always 00:54:35.219 --> 00:54:38.900 require like definite end but it is something 00:54:38.900 --> 00:54:40.880 especially for new people we would probably recommend 00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:43.440 just to make sure that like you don't play with 00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.079 your partner and send them off on the bus and 00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:49.039 they're like i don't know where i am yeah that's 00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:52.530 fair so it Because we're in a dynamic and we've 00:54:52.530 --> 00:54:54.550 been playing for so long, if we're doing a specific 00:54:54.550 --> 00:54:56.550 hypnosis scene, yes, it will end at a specific 00:54:56.550 --> 00:54:59.329 point. But we also, like Sir said, have things 00:54:59.329 --> 00:55:01.110 that just carry on throughout our daily life 00:55:01.110 --> 00:55:04.429 and are available at all times. Because we've 00:55:04.429 --> 00:55:06.670 re -upped them, essentially, we've done sessions 00:55:06.670 --> 00:55:09.230 to just make sure they stay in my brain. And 00:55:09.230 --> 00:55:13.230 is that the sort of thing that if you didn't 00:55:13.230 --> 00:55:14.909 use the trigger for a period of time, it would 00:55:14.909 --> 00:55:18.309 kind of wear off naturally, or is it...? Eventually, 00:55:18.510 --> 00:55:21.849 yeah. It depends how ingrained it's been because 00:55:21.849 --> 00:55:24.550 we've been together for six years now. If we 00:55:24.550 --> 00:55:26.289 broke up, I would still have all these triggers 00:55:26.289 --> 00:55:29.949 in my head and they would take time to go away. 00:55:30.190 --> 00:55:33.010 So we'd probably have to do a session or two 00:55:33.010 --> 00:55:35.409 to get rid of them if the breakup was amicable 00:55:35.409 --> 00:55:38.909 and you were being ethical and nice to me. Big 00:55:38.909 --> 00:55:42.289 assumption. Big assumption, yeah. But yeah, so 00:55:42.289 --> 00:55:44.550 they do stick around, but if you don't, it's 00:55:44.550 --> 00:55:48.090 use it or lose it, essentially. Like any other 00:55:48.090 --> 00:55:51.530 skill. yeah yeah practice it then you being a 00:55:51.530 --> 00:55:54.070 subject is part of the skills that are required 00:55:54.070 --> 00:55:57.269 for it yeah yeah it's all skill based it's annoying 00:55:57.269 --> 00:56:00.789 yeah um that sounds like something that could 00:56:00.789 --> 00:56:02.829 really enhance the power dynamic as well to have 00:56:02.829 --> 00:56:06.130 not just your sort of trained and natural obedience 00:56:06.130 --> 00:56:08.170 that you have as an s type but also to have these 00:56:08.170 --> 00:56:10.250 triggers that that enhance that where you actually 00:56:10.250 --> 00:56:12.699 can't help but obey that sounds like fun Yeah, 00:56:12.739 --> 00:56:15.239 you mentioned that and that brought to mind one. 00:56:15.780 --> 00:56:18.659 We have one that makes them feel compelled to 00:56:18.659 --> 00:56:24.420 put things in their mouth, shall we say. We do 00:56:24.420 --> 00:56:26.960 also have something that, we stumbled upon it 00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:31.659 by accident, but we have a thing that if, is 00:56:31.659 --> 00:56:33.860 it if I say it or if you say it? I don't know, 00:56:33.900 --> 00:56:36.340 it gets blurry for me. If someone says something. 00:56:37.820 --> 00:56:40.760 I will push away all of my emotions and thoughts 00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:42.679 and feelings and my comfort and will prioritize 00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:45.579 his pleasure and what he wants. And I am trapped 00:56:45.579 --> 00:56:47.699 in the back of my head being like, no, this sucks. 00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:50.780 I hate this. But I'm like, yes, sir. Of course, 00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:53.500 sir. I'll do that, sir. And it's very like, someone 00:56:53.500 --> 00:56:58.199 free me. Don't really, but please help. This 00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:02.539 was one where the slightly, because we're stupid, 00:57:02.619 --> 00:57:06.039 I didn't realize this one was still in effect 00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:09.559 for... maybe an hour yes so we did a scene with 00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:12.039 it it was very hot and very fun and then we ended 00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:14.579 the scene and then we started to like hang out 00:57:14.579 --> 00:57:16.539 and just like play like a card game or something 00:57:16.539 --> 00:57:19.480 and then you were like sir was like you're acting 00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:22.099 really weird and i was like i'm sorry sir i'll 00:57:22.099 --> 00:57:28.340 do better and he was like huh and then he had 00:57:28.340 --> 00:57:29.760 a chat with me and was like you're still under 00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:32.199 the effects of that got it and then we had very 00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:35.559 good sex and then we um very good slightly unethical 00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:39.820 sex always the best kind and then we fixed it 00:57:39.820 --> 00:57:44.019 yeah yeah i love that secret event had sex then 00:57:44.019 --> 00:57:49.440 fixed we can't let the opportunity go by i mean 00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:53.869 it's really hot You mentioned hypno -orgasms 00:57:53.869 --> 00:57:56.510 and I am immediately fully invested. Yes, I do 00:57:56.510 --> 00:58:01.190 have those. We have, he can ruin an orgasm with 00:58:01.190 --> 00:58:07.289 hypnosis. Oh no, less invested. Say more. So 00:58:07.289 --> 00:58:09.409 I can ruin an orgasm with hypnosis, so I can 00:58:09.409 --> 00:58:11.630 make it so I'm completely incapable of orgasm, 00:58:11.630 --> 00:58:15.670 even if I'm on the edge physically. He can get 00:58:15.670 --> 00:58:18.369 me on the edge with hypnosis and he can also 00:58:18.369 --> 00:58:22.090 give me an orgasm with hypnosis. Yeah. which 00:58:22.090 --> 00:58:26.269 is horrible and fun in equal amounts and it is 00:58:26.269 --> 00:58:29.889 the the feeling of arousal and also the orgasm 00:58:29.889 --> 00:58:32.750 is different to an actual physical one i kind 00:58:32.750 --> 00:58:35.750 of explain it as like a full body orgasm where 00:58:35.750 --> 00:58:38.010 i feel it on like the skin of my shoulders and 00:58:38.010 --> 00:58:40.550 like on the top of my head and like but it feels 00:58:40.550 --> 00:58:43.070 very much like something is running over my skin 00:58:43.070 --> 00:58:45.550 rather than like it actually being a muscular 00:58:45.550 --> 00:58:48.829 inside thing yeah um but it is still extremely 00:58:48.829 --> 00:58:51.599 pleasurable and lovely and When he gives me them, 00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:56.380 it's nice. See, it doesn't sound so fun now, 00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:59.059 does it? That bit does, Mick, because I'm concerned 00:58:59.059 --> 00:59:00.739 about what you would choose to use it for, yeah. 00:59:01.579 --> 00:59:04.139 Yeah, yeah. Just take them away completely. No. 00:59:04.219 --> 00:59:06.219 Just make you completely incapable of having 00:59:06.219 --> 00:59:09.739 an orgasm. is that something have you found that 00:59:09.739 --> 00:59:12.420 has any effect like positive or negative on on 00:59:12.420 --> 00:59:14.519 your normal orgasms or not because i think my 00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:16.440 worry is like yeah we like to play with some 00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:19.260 orgasm sort of denial and control stuff but having 00:59:19.260 --> 00:59:21.500 like a switch in my brain that turns off my orgasms 00:59:21.500 --> 00:59:23.239 my worry would be that that would get stuck because 00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:24.400 that's something i've had issues with in the 00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:28.960 past um i It's hard to say for sure because I 00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:30.739 do also have a medical condition that affects 00:59:30.739 --> 00:59:34.260 my genitals. But I would say personally it hasn't, 00:59:34.260 --> 00:59:36.960 as far as I can tell, affected anything. The 00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:40.380 only thing would be if we broke up, we would 00:59:40.380 --> 00:59:42.900 have to do a lot of work to undo that because 00:59:42.900 --> 00:59:45.860 a lot of my orgasms depend on his permission. 00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:48.280 It's very much like how you were saying about 00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:50.360 doing a lot of orgasm control in a relationship 00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:52.440 and dynamic and then when it ending being like, 00:59:52.539 --> 00:59:56.170 oh no, I can't get myself off. Assuming I was 00:59:56.170 --> 00:59:58.150 being ethical. Assuming you were being ethical. 00:59:58.429 --> 01:00:02.670 You would then help me undo that because otherwise 01:00:02.670 --> 01:00:07.409 I would be kind of stuck in an actual real, real 01:00:07.409 --> 01:00:10.510 way, which would be really scary. Yeah. So we 01:00:10.510 --> 01:00:15.190 would have to do a lot of work on that. At the 01:00:15.190 --> 01:00:18.090 very least, I can say with Lana, being denied 01:00:18.090 --> 01:00:22.050 can honestly get them more aroused than being 01:00:22.050 --> 01:00:24.690 given permission, which is very funny for me. 01:00:27.010 --> 01:00:29.909 yeah so because of the medical condition that 01:00:29.909 --> 01:00:32.170 affects my genitals i don't get spontaneously 01:00:32.170 --> 01:00:34.570 physically aroused anymore it's all like a mental 01:00:34.570 --> 01:00:36.570 thing and then we start doing sex and my body 01:00:36.570 --> 01:00:39.849 catches up essentially um but if we do long periods 01:00:39.849 --> 01:00:43.869 of denial i am actually physically a mess and 01:00:43.869 --> 01:00:48.170 it's like oh no he can see this and it will now 01:00:48.170 --> 01:00:52.840 be happening more And then if you add the hypnotic 01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:54.860 orgasms and things like that on, it's like the 01:00:54.860 --> 01:00:57.440 worst form of denial. Because if he denies my 01:00:57.440 --> 01:00:59.440 physical orgasms for long enough and then gives 01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:02.860 me hypnotic orgasms, it's almost like a form 01:01:02.860 --> 01:01:05.719 of edging because I'm still not getting the orgasm 01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:08.179 I need. And it's this weird thing of I'm getting 01:01:08.179 --> 01:01:11.840 orgasms, but I'm not getting orgasms. That sounds 01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:17.659 delightful. It sounds terrible and delightful 01:01:17.659 --> 01:01:20.860 to me. in the past have really struggled to have 01:01:20.860 --> 01:01:23.119 orgasms at all and then that's something that 01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:26.099 i started to find easier once i got into kink 01:01:26.099 --> 01:01:27.920 in general and then there's been like further 01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:29.739 sort of progress while me and mix have been together 01:01:29.739 --> 01:01:31.920 where i can have multiples now i had three i 01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:35.019 had three last week nice like right one right 01:01:35.019 --> 01:01:37.239 after the other couldn't believe it um which 01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:39.860 is completely new to me so like the issue is 01:01:39.860 --> 01:01:42.019 sort of correcting a little bit but i don't like 01:01:42.019 --> 01:01:44.000 i struggle a little bit with physical arousal 01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:46.280 like i often i will even have an orgasm without 01:01:46.280 --> 01:01:49.670 actually getting wet um So it's something that 01:01:49.670 --> 01:01:51.309 I'm always conscious of, like kink can help fix 01:01:51.309 --> 01:01:52.969 it, but kink could also potentially break it. 01:01:53.389 --> 01:01:56.550 Conditioning of orgasm control is a risk. It's 01:01:56.550 --> 01:01:58.190 something that I found after my last relationship 01:01:58.190 --> 01:02:00.449 ended. And we've reached a point now where without 01:02:00.449 --> 01:02:02.230 setting out to condition me this way, we found 01:02:02.230 --> 01:02:04.090 out I physically can't orgasm without permission. 01:02:04.170 --> 01:02:06.349 When we were camping last year, we did a scene 01:02:06.349 --> 01:02:08.269 where they sort of implied permission. So I was 01:02:08.269 --> 01:02:10.030 genuinely trying, but they hadn't actually said 01:02:10.030 --> 01:02:12.030 I could. And it just was not going to happen 01:02:12.030 --> 01:02:15.289 until they told me to. So yeah, it's something 01:02:15.289 --> 01:02:16.849 that I do tend to approach with caution, but 01:02:16.849 --> 01:02:19.969 I get so much out of it. And unlike you, the 01:02:19.969 --> 01:02:22.110 denial makes me both physically and mentally 01:02:22.110 --> 01:02:24.469 hornier. So it helps the situation, which is 01:02:24.469 --> 01:02:26.150 probably a big part of why I'm into it. Yeah, 01:02:26.210 --> 01:02:28.769 probably so. With the medical condition progressing 01:02:28.769 --> 01:02:32.670 a little bit, my appetite for orgasm denial has 01:02:32.670 --> 01:02:35.929 unfortunately increased. Unfortunately for you. 01:02:36.070 --> 01:02:42.250 Yeah, for me. It's fun for me. I know. I'm picturing 01:02:42.250 --> 01:02:44.329 that me and Lana are being yappers. I am concerned 01:02:44.329 --> 01:02:46.389 about the length of this. It's all right. It's 01:02:46.389 --> 01:02:49.730 focused. It's focused. It's good. Yeah. And this 01:02:49.730 --> 01:02:51.309 has the potential to be a long section anyway, 01:02:51.389 --> 01:02:53.670 because I am about to ask you about risk, which 01:02:53.670 --> 01:02:54.969 feels like it might have quite a long list of 01:02:54.969 --> 01:02:56.650 potential risks. Is that right? Just a little 01:02:56.650 --> 01:03:01.429 bit, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately. Um, there's... 01:03:02.110 --> 01:03:04.570 There's a lot of risks with it because essentially 01:03:04.570 --> 01:03:07.690 hypnosis is a form of conditioning. Yeah. So 01:03:07.690 --> 01:03:09.909 whatever you do, if you keep doing it and keep 01:03:09.909 --> 01:03:12.230 doing it and keep doing it, you are conditioning 01:03:12.230 --> 01:03:16.909 the subject. So it is a form of edge play because 01:03:16.909 --> 01:03:19.050 you are getting into someone's mind, you are 01:03:19.050 --> 01:03:21.510 conditioning them, you're affecting their behaviours, 01:03:21.510 --> 01:03:23.829 their thought patterns, their perceptions of 01:03:23.829 --> 01:03:25.909 reality, their perceptions of their own body, 01:03:26.070 --> 01:03:27.670 and then obviously depending on what you play 01:03:27.670 --> 01:03:29.429 with, their perceptions of their own gender, 01:03:29.610 --> 01:03:33.150 their sexuality, things like that. So it gets 01:03:33.150 --> 01:03:35.269 into edge play territory very, very quickly. 01:03:35.489 --> 01:03:38.190 So there are a lot of things to be aware of when 01:03:38.190 --> 01:03:40.880 you're doing it. Let's start with one that we 01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:42.579 mentioned already, though, which is the emotional 01:03:42.579 --> 01:03:47.199 ab reactions. These are unexpected negative emotional 01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:50.280 responses to trance or to specific suggestions. 01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:55.440 They can be very unrelated or they could be related 01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:58.579 to something subconscious or related to a trauma 01:03:58.579 --> 01:04:02.619 in the past. It's unexpected. It's not predictable, 01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:05.739 which means that you need to be prepared for 01:04:05.739 --> 01:04:09.480 it if you're doing it at all, basically. If you 01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:12.219 are helping somebody relax with your voice and 01:04:12.219 --> 01:04:14.719 you do it in just a little bit of the way that 01:04:14.719 --> 01:04:17.239 makes somebody feel unsafe or something, you 01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:19.719 could end up with a reaction that requires a 01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:21.639 lot of aftercare. It's just triggered something 01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:24.500 in me where I have to come out of hypnosis and 01:04:24.500 --> 01:04:26.760 I'm shaking and crying. Yeah. And it's just like, 01:04:26.780 --> 01:04:28.940 and I have no explanation for why. It's something 01:04:28.940 --> 01:04:30.940 we've done for ages. I love it. It's so much 01:04:30.940 --> 01:04:33.849 fun. and I just can't handle it that day. There's 01:04:33.849 --> 01:04:36.449 no outer reason. I've had a really good day. 01:04:36.630 --> 01:04:38.909 I've been really happy. I've been dancing around 01:04:38.909 --> 01:04:41.289 the flat. It's all been fine, and then we do 01:04:41.289 --> 01:04:43.530 it, and it's just like I crumble. So it's definitely 01:04:43.530 --> 01:04:46.269 a good thing to have a plan in place just for 01:04:46.269 --> 01:04:47.869 if something like that happens. It doesn't have 01:04:47.869 --> 01:04:50.369 to be a hyper -specific plan, but just know what 01:04:50.369 --> 01:04:52.130 to do. It's like preparing for drop. yeah yeah 01:04:52.130 --> 01:04:55.550 but like really unexpected sudden intense drop 01:04:55.550 --> 01:04:59.090 yeah yeah yeah sounds similar to how we now plan 01:04:59.090 --> 01:05:01.869 for a certain area of psychological play that 01:05:01.869 --> 01:05:05.269 we have done once and we did it on a uh a wednesday 01:05:05.269 --> 01:05:07.630 night and i had to go to work the next day and 01:05:07.630 --> 01:05:11.349 i couldn't i was not well um so now we've talked 01:05:11.349 --> 01:05:13.409 about like when we explore that again which we 01:05:13.409 --> 01:05:15.510 will because we both got off on it and we're 01:05:15.510 --> 01:05:17.989 huge perverts um that will be something that 01:05:17.989 --> 01:05:20.780 we do like on a weekend when the next day all 01:05:20.780 --> 01:05:23.559 our plans are is aftercare if needed yeah um 01:05:23.559 --> 01:05:25.079 it sounds like it would be that would be kind 01:05:25.079 --> 01:05:27.440 of the the approach to take with hypno is plan 01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:31.059 for the worst yeah it can be um obviously it 01:05:31.059 --> 01:05:32.840 depends what kind of hypnosis you're doing if 01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:34.400 we're just doing like the trigger stuff which 01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:36.420 doesn't require me going down in a trance then 01:05:36.420 --> 01:05:38.960 we don't tend to be like oh we'll save that for 01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:41.599 weekends but if we want to do a big kind of intensive 01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:43.480 scene that might take an hour or two we probably 01:05:43.480 --> 01:05:45.400 will do it on like a friday night or a saturday 01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:47.880 kind of thing the like the dollification one 01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:53.329 or the um the cnc one the cnc one especially 01:05:53.329 --> 01:05:57.210 where you're not recognizing me you don't recognize 01:05:57.210 --> 01:06:01.010 me for like maybe an hour during like the violence 01:06:01.010 --> 01:06:04.690 and the sex and stuff and then afterwards you 01:06:04.690 --> 01:06:07.469 do recognize me but you're still having that 01:06:07.469 --> 01:06:10.670 sort of cognitive dissonance that would be something 01:06:10.670 --> 01:06:12.429 where i would be very cautious on doing that 01:06:12.429 --> 01:06:17.480 on a weeknight Do it on a Monday night and send 01:06:17.480 --> 01:06:23.800 me to work on Tuesday. I'll be alright. There's 01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:26.260 also a lot of weirdly physical risks with hypnosis. 01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:31.400 So I am a flopper. When I go down into trance, 01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:34.139 I flop. I go dead weight. I can't support my 01:06:34.139 --> 01:06:36.460 own weight anymore. I can't stand up. I can't 01:06:36.460 --> 01:06:39.039 sit up straight. I essentially, like, I've actually 01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:41.559 fallen asleep just immediately. I'm just picturing 01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:43.019 that thing bunnies do when they're happy where 01:06:43.019 --> 01:06:44.780 they dramatically put themselves onto their side. 01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:47.860 Bully me, yeah. I'm like, this is fantastic, 01:06:48.139 --> 01:06:53.219 goodbye. When we were long distance, we'd never 01:06:53.219 --> 01:06:55.670 done it. where i was sat up because i was always 01:06:55.670 --> 01:06:57.769 like it was at the end of the day so i was always 01:06:57.769 --> 01:06:59.869 in my room so i was always in bed so i was laid 01:06:59.869 --> 01:07:02.909 down and then we do some hypnosis and then we 01:07:02.909 --> 01:07:04.610 did it at one point where it was like middle 01:07:04.610 --> 01:07:06.710 of the day on saturday and i was like sat on 01:07:06.710 --> 01:07:09.389 my bed and he didn't realize i was sat up and 01:07:09.389 --> 01:07:12.269 so we did it and i fully just face planted straight 01:07:12.269 --> 01:07:15.989 into my ipad and hit my head really hard and 01:07:15.989 --> 01:07:19.030 came out of trance like ow what happened that 01:07:19.030 --> 01:07:22.289 really hurt yeah and i had like a little bruise 01:07:22.289 --> 01:07:24.920 on my phone where I'd hit the corner of the iPad. 01:07:25.239 --> 01:07:28.800 And it was really tender and horrible. So you 01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:31.239 have to plan around if the subject has that. 01:07:31.380 --> 01:07:33.239 You need to make sure they're fully supported, 01:07:33.500 --> 01:07:35.079 their weight's supported, they're not going to 01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:37.519 fall over. If you are doing something stood up, 01:07:37.539 --> 01:07:39.539 that you have either you or another person who's 01:07:39.539 --> 01:07:42.760 able to hold them up kind of thing. And obviously, 01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:45.380 if you've never done hypnosis before, don't try 01:07:45.380 --> 01:07:50.159 it stood up. Yeah. Try it laid down. See how 01:07:50.159 --> 01:07:53.139 the subject's body is. Maybe try it sat up with 01:07:53.139 --> 01:07:56.159 you. They're ready to catch them if they fall 01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:58.099 over. But don't just be like, well, let's stand 01:07:58.099 --> 01:08:00.519 in the living room and give it a go. It's also 01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:02.739 not something that we've ever had happen, but 01:08:02.739 --> 01:08:06.099 I can imagine it happening with you, is make 01:08:06.099 --> 01:08:08.360 sure that when the person relaxes, they don't 01:08:08.360 --> 01:08:10.599 have something like a full bladder, for example. 01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:16.500 It's not happened to us, but... That's honestly 01:08:16.500 --> 01:08:20.560 probably just luck on my part. That's very much 01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:22.880 luck, sir, because I have the weakest baby bladder 01:08:22.880 --> 01:08:25.039 in the world, so the fact that I've never pissed 01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:27.979 myself during hypnosis is actually... I don't 01:08:27.979 --> 01:08:30.520 know how we've managed it. It's a miracle. I 01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:33.020 feel like we'd be ready for that. I've pissed 01:08:33.020 --> 01:08:35.020 myself during most other kinds of play, so it's 01:08:35.020 --> 01:08:41.000 fine. There they go again. i was wondering because 01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:42.539 you talked about like the dollification scene 01:08:42.539 --> 01:08:45.039 and another couple that we know that does hypnosis 01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:47.760 will do things like sort of um like random freeze 01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:49.880 triggers where when when the top says a certain 01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:52.220 word the bottom will freeze in position or like 01:08:52.220 --> 01:08:53.880 raise their arm and keep it there and things 01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:57.159 like that when You experience that. Does your 01:08:57.159 --> 01:08:59.399 body let you know if you're causing muscle strain 01:08:59.399 --> 01:09:01.039 or joint strain and things like that? Do you 01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:04.300 do you have an awareness of that? So I do. But 01:09:04.300 --> 01:09:06.760 depending on the scene we're doing, I can't communicate 01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:10.020 it or there's nothing I can do about it. And 01:09:10.020 --> 01:09:12.739 that's just that. So it is definitely like he 01:09:12.739 --> 01:09:15.640 has to be aware of how long my arm's been held 01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:17.659 up, how long I've been in a specific position, 01:09:17.859 --> 01:09:20.079 whether I need to be rearranged, like that kind 01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:23.000 of thing. Obviously, if a muscle went into cramp 01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:24.659 or that sort of stuff, we do have to build into 01:09:24.659 --> 01:09:26.579 it. that would probably just force its way all 01:09:26.579 --> 01:09:28.640 the way to the front of my mind and be like the 01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:33.579 safe word oh god my leg but if you don't have 01:09:33.579 --> 01:09:35.800 the built -in safe word your subject might just 01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:39.279 be trapped in muscle cramp for like an hour so 01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:42.239 yeah you are right in that as the subject not 01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:44.180 subject as the hypnotist you do have to be aware 01:09:44.180 --> 01:09:47.430 of the subject's body and how it's being positioned 01:09:47.430 --> 01:09:51.090 especially with the way i flop i go dead weight 01:09:51.090 --> 01:09:54.289 so however my body lands is how it stays so if 01:09:54.289 --> 01:09:56.729 i land with a leg over here and an arm over there 01:09:56.729 --> 01:09:58.670 sort of stuff if it's in an uncomfortable position 01:09:58.670 --> 01:10:01.829 i just can't move it so a lot of the times he 01:10:01.829 --> 01:10:03.750 will be like yeah i had to fully just rearrange 01:10:03.750 --> 01:10:06.949 you on the bed for like five minutes like yeah 01:10:06.949 --> 01:10:11.789 like here back there come on like Yeah. I've 01:10:11.789 --> 01:10:14.310 woken up with fingerprint bruises because you've 01:10:14.310 --> 01:10:16.569 had to drag me up the bed. Just because I was 01:10:16.569 --> 01:10:19.529 falling off the bed. And you've just had to hold 01:10:19.529 --> 01:10:25.489 me like a sack of potatoes. Do you have to be 01:10:25.489 --> 01:10:30.789 really specific in the words that you use? And 01:10:30.789 --> 01:10:33.789 again, this is completely my lack of understanding. 01:10:33.890 --> 01:10:38.250 If you've got those ongoing triggers implanted 01:10:38.250 --> 01:10:41.260 that kind of... um edward said something it provokes 01:10:41.260 --> 01:10:44.680 a reaction in you presumably those are relatively 01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:48.779 common words so if if edward said it it would 01:10:48.779 --> 01:10:51.539 have the impact on it but if i said it it wouldn't 01:10:51.539 --> 01:10:55.340 yeah is that that's part of the way that we've 01:10:55.340 --> 01:10:58.340 put the triggers in is that they only work when 01:10:58.340 --> 01:11:02.479 i'm using them basically yeah um and then to 01:11:02.479 --> 01:11:07.170 some extent it does require intent so if i just 01:11:07.170 --> 01:11:10.210 say a word it isn't necessarily going to affect 01:11:10.210 --> 01:11:12.310 them because it's like in a context of a sentence 01:11:12.310 --> 01:11:14.729 where it makes sense yeah if i'm saying the word 01:11:14.729 --> 01:11:18.569 on its own just uh with like a bit of emphasis 01:11:18.569 --> 01:11:21.850 behind it yeah that definitely can and that does 01:11:21.850 --> 01:11:24.590 sometimes cause issues right very occasionally 01:11:24.590 --> 01:11:28.789 with one word in particular um there is um a 01:11:28.789 --> 01:11:31.619 thing with it where It's part of subject agency 01:11:31.619 --> 01:11:34.680 where you build it in so that when your subject 01:11:34.680 --> 01:11:36.699 is at work, for example, they don't hear one 01:11:36.699 --> 01:11:38.239 of their trigger words and then start saying 01:11:38.239 --> 01:11:39.960 a mantra about how they're some sort of fuck 01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:42.859 doll for everyone's entertainment. Because that's 01:11:42.859 --> 01:11:46.000 not... Not what you want in a meeting. Not particularly. 01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:50.640 So it is something that you put in and you practice 01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:53.140 so that they're not being inconvenienced in their 01:11:53.140 --> 01:11:57.029 everyday life. But I do still feel the pull of 01:11:57.029 --> 01:11:59.609 it, if that makes sense. Right. Where, like, 01:11:59.630 --> 01:12:02.470 if Sir says it in a sentence and he's not putting 01:12:02.470 --> 01:12:04.670 the emphasis on it, it's obviously not meant 01:12:04.670 --> 01:12:07.270 to be in that way, for a second my body will 01:12:07.270 --> 01:12:09.949 stutter as, like, oh, I should... No, never mind. 01:12:10.130 --> 01:12:13.550 Like, I can feel it pulling me in and my subject 01:12:13.550 --> 01:12:15.750 agency is, like, cutting the string and being 01:12:15.750 --> 01:12:18.050 like, no, that's not meant to be happening right 01:12:18.050 --> 01:12:21.720 now. Yeah. So I've had friends try to use my 01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:23.840 triggers. So I've encouraged them and been like, 01:12:23.939 --> 01:12:25.640 yeah, go ahead, give it a go. See what happens, 01:12:25.859 --> 01:12:29.000 you know. And I can feel the pull when they do 01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:31.279 it because the intense behind it, like the energy 01:12:31.279 --> 01:12:34.340 they're trying to do it with is there. But it's 01:12:34.340 --> 01:12:36.560 not working because of the way we've built it. 01:12:36.920 --> 01:12:40.880 It's for him. He uses it. And I've been trained 01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:43.539 essentially not to respond if it's not him. Yeah, 01:12:43.579 --> 01:12:46.220 that makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah. I suppose 01:12:46.220 --> 01:12:48.720 that's another. there's another layer of it that 01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:50.539 i hadn't even thought it's like say say the word 01:12:50.539 --> 01:12:54.380 was envelope and and you say it in a in a really 01:12:54.380 --> 01:12:57.800 specific in intentional way it has that effect 01:12:57.800 --> 01:12:59.579 but it's also like oh i need to send a letter 01:12:59.579 --> 01:13:02.479 pass me the envelope off the side sort of thing 01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:04.420 that that's where it would kind of you would 01:13:04.420 --> 01:13:06.880 feel that stutter but you wouldn't necessarily 01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:09.460 go oh i need to yeah your body wouldn't just 01:13:09.460 --> 01:13:13.159 react no he can see me stutter sometimes well 01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:15.239 like he says something and watches me like flounder 01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:17.300 for a second where i'm like oh god i want to 01:13:17.300 --> 01:13:19.840 but no and he's like oh for god's sake go on 01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:24.800 then like we're at home i'll let you like but 01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:27.460 yeah it is very much a thing we've built in so 01:13:27.460 --> 01:13:30.319 that i don't just start spouting mantras or falling 01:13:30.319 --> 01:13:33.100 asleep on a bus or like that kind of thing so 01:13:33.100 --> 01:13:34.800 there's multiple layers of safety there when 01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:37.430 you're implanting triggers is think about making 01:13:37.430 --> 01:13:39.229 it like voice specific, thinking about making 01:13:39.229 --> 01:13:40.770 it a word you're maybe not going to hear just 01:13:40.770 --> 01:13:43.069 in passing all that often, making sure that you 01:13:43.069 --> 01:13:44.510 build in for you to have that sort of reaction 01:13:44.510 --> 01:13:46.810 of it being only when it's intentional and like 01:13:46.810 --> 01:13:48.510 the more that you kind of build in, the less 01:13:48.510 --> 01:13:50.390 likely you are to have an unwanted reaction. 01:13:50.729 --> 01:13:52.689 Yeah, absolutely. There's also a thing called 01:13:52.689 --> 01:13:55.130 hypnotic patter, which is a specific tone of 01:13:55.130 --> 01:13:57.130 voice and the way you speak when you do hypnosis. 01:13:57.550 --> 01:14:00.069 So even if he just said one of my trigger words 01:14:00.069 --> 01:14:02.250 in his normal voice, it would still get the like 01:14:02.250 --> 01:14:04.149 pull and the draw of it, but it wouldn't work 01:14:04.149 --> 01:14:06.590 because he's not using the hypnotic voice. as 01:14:06.590 --> 01:14:10.270 well um so it's that's an extra level of safety 01:14:10.270 --> 01:14:12.810 because obviously it's something he has to turn 01:14:12.810 --> 01:14:15.310 on when he's talking to me rather than just like 01:14:15.310 --> 01:14:19.010 saying it really casually um unfortunately sometimes 01:14:19.010 --> 01:14:20.970 when he's explaining things he does fall into 01:14:20.970 --> 01:14:23.670 the hypnotic voice and then i'm just like eyes 01:14:23.670 --> 01:14:27.430 glazed over like yeah as he's talking i can well 01:14:27.430 --> 01:14:29.449 imagine the hypno voice being the info dumping 01:14:29.449 --> 01:14:34.460 voice a little bit yeah unfortunately He's telling 01:14:34.460 --> 01:14:36.539 me about some card game he likes and I'm like, 01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:43.239 yeah, okay. That sounds good. I'm going to lie 01:14:43.239 --> 01:14:49.739 down. There's another thing with hypnosis that 01:14:49.739 --> 01:14:53.000 we don't do personally because it has so many 01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:56.300 risks. It's not even anywhere near our risk profile, 01:14:56.579 --> 01:15:01.119 which is personality play. which is specifically 01:15:01.119 --> 01:15:03.659 using hypnosis to affect someone's personality, 01:15:03.840 --> 01:15:06.300 change their personality or up their personality, 01:15:06.500 --> 01:15:10.279 which can involve giving someone a different 01:15:10.279 --> 01:15:13.880 name. during hypnosis stuff, creating alternate 01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:16.899 identities within someone, messing with their 01:15:16.899 --> 01:15:20.640 actual core beliefs, things like that. It is 01:15:20.640 --> 01:15:22.859 possible because, again, this is a form of conditioning. 01:15:22.979 --> 01:15:25.859 So you can fundamentally change a person. But 01:15:25.859 --> 01:15:29.060 I have dissociation issues. And if we start playing 01:15:29.060 --> 01:15:32.279 with my name being Sarah when we do these scenes 01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:35.159 and I'm this giggly dumb blonde, eventually I 01:15:35.159 --> 01:15:38.220 might actually have a Sarah in my head because 01:15:38.220 --> 01:15:41.729 I already have a level of... dissociation there 01:15:41.729 --> 01:15:46.489 the the risk of that is so high that it's not 01:15:46.489 --> 01:15:49.069 even worth going anywhere near i guess that kind 01:15:49.069 --> 01:15:50.470 of feels a little bit like what we were talking 01:15:50.470 --> 01:15:55.270 about kind of stuff that's a thing where um there 01:15:55.270 --> 01:15:58.310 are a non -zero number of unethical creators 01:15:58.310 --> 01:16:03.909 shall we say who um do things like create secondary 01:16:03.909 --> 01:16:07.449 personalities or they deliberately add in sort 01:16:07.449 --> 01:16:10.770 of addictive feelings to the files and stuff 01:16:10.770 --> 01:16:13.829 like that where it's not a good idea to use those, 01:16:13.970 --> 01:16:16.409 especially if you are someone who doesn't know 01:16:16.409 --> 01:16:18.609 what you're doing and don't have a lot of subject 01:16:18.609 --> 01:16:22.350 agency yet. Yeah, yeah. It's also a thing where 01:16:22.350 --> 01:16:24.590 you can make someone who's not a smoker a smoker 01:16:24.590 --> 01:16:28.310 and things like that. Because if you start associating 01:16:28.310 --> 01:16:31.090 smoking with this pleasurable feeling, it's an 01:16:31.090 --> 01:16:34.069 act of obedience, it's making you a better sex 01:16:34.069 --> 01:16:36.569 toy because whoever is doing it to you enjoys 01:16:36.569 --> 01:16:39.590 people who smoke, eventually you can just end 01:16:39.590 --> 01:16:42.630 up being a smoker or things like that. So for 01:16:42.630 --> 01:16:45.829 us, it's not even a risk worth going near because 01:16:45.829 --> 01:16:48.750 obviously Sir likes who I am. That's why he's 01:16:48.750 --> 01:16:51.130 with me. We like playing with my mind, but we 01:16:51.130 --> 01:16:53.050 don't want to, like you've said, change who I 01:16:53.050 --> 01:16:56.489 am. So it's just, it's something we would probably 01:16:56.489 --> 01:16:58.869 advise either don't go near, or if you do want 01:16:58.869 --> 01:17:01.489 to go near it, take the tiniest baby steps in 01:17:01.489 --> 01:17:04.890 the entire world. Like, go so slowly. It's also 01:17:04.890 --> 01:17:10.409 very good, kind of tangential to this, don't, 01:17:10.409 --> 01:17:14.390 if you're not actually a licensed hypnotist, 01:17:14.430 --> 01:17:20.010 I really I really cannot stress how bad of an 01:17:20.010 --> 01:17:22.829 idea it is to try and use your erotic hypnosis 01:17:22.829 --> 01:17:25.689 interest to try and help somebody with a real 01:17:25.689 --> 01:17:30.829 problem they have. Because if you want to help 01:17:30.829 --> 01:17:33.529 somebody lose weight or you want to help somebody 01:17:33.529 --> 01:17:36.090 get in shape, you could give them an ED or you 01:17:36.090 --> 01:17:38.789 could give them something else. If you're trying 01:17:38.789 --> 01:17:41.350 to make them feel more outgoing and make them 01:17:41.350 --> 01:17:45.630 feel sort of... don't mess with things about 01:17:45.630 --> 01:17:49.270 people having real actual issues because you 01:17:49.270 --> 01:17:53.390 feel like your erotic hypnosis or desire to use 01:17:53.390 --> 01:17:56.710 this in fun ways gives you any experience and 01:17:56.710 --> 01:18:00.550 how to do it safely for somebody who is struggling 01:18:00.550 --> 01:18:02.909 with something yeah yeah because again it's messing 01:18:02.909 --> 01:18:05.609 with like foundational parts of who people are 01:18:05.609 --> 01:18:08.449 and like how they exist in the world essentially 01:18:08.449 --> 01:18:10.909 yeah I can imagine it's a real temptation because 01:18:10.909 --> 01:18:12.569 obviously hypnotherapy is used for things like 01:18:12.569 --> 01:18:14.189 stopping smoking instead of making someone a 01:18:14.189 --> 01:18:16.369 smoker. People do use it for things like weight 01:18:16.369 --> 01:18:19.329 loss. And I don't know enough about hypnotherapy 01:18:19.329 --> 01:18:21.689 to say whether that's like whether it's effective 01:18:21.689 --> 01:18:23.529 or whether it's a good idea. But it's done by 01:18:23.529 --> 01:18:27.090 therapists who are formally trained. I can imagine 01:18:27.090 --> 01:18:28.590 it's really tempting to go, hey, I'm really good 01:18:28.590 --> 01:18:30.750 at erotic hypnosis. I bet I could fix this problem 01:18:30.750 --> 01:18:33.109 for my partner. And without that formal training 01:18:33.109 --> 01:18:36.130 and without the... the therapy knowledge that 01:18:36.130 --> 01:18:37.550 goes along with the hypno knowledge that could 01:18:37.550 --> 01:18:40.029 get really messy for sure i have a friend who 01:18:40.029 --> 01:18:42.470 goes to a hypnotherapist about like nerve pain 01:18:42.470 --> 01:18:44.470 and that's really good for her because licensed 01:18:44.470 --> 01:18:46.930 professional really helpful but if she had a 01:18:46.930 --> 01:18:49.069 partner who was just like i'll fix your nerve 01:18:49.069 --> 01:18:53.470 pain don't worry i definitely won't talk about 01:18:53.470 --> 01:18:55.470 how your body feels like it's on fire all the 01:18:55.470 --> 01:18:58.840 time you know like and then make it worse or 01:18:58.840 --> 01:19:01.119 things like that it's changing fundamental parts 01:19:01.119 --> 01:19:03.020 of people is something we would never touch with 01:19:03.020 --> 01:19:05.359 a 10 -foot pole yeah it's just it's not worth 01:19:05.359 --> 01:19:07.619 any of the risks that come with it in our opinions 01:19:07.619 --> 01:19:10.180 and we've seen so many horror stories of people 01:19:10.180 --> 01:19:13.819 online in erotic hypnosis communities who are 01:19:13.819 --> 01:19:15.960 now struggling with the fallout of no longer 01:19:15.960 --> 01:19:18.300 being with the hypnotist and having three separate 01:19:18.300 --> 01:19:20.380 identities within their heads that are hypnotic 01:19:20.380 --> 01:19:22.939 identities that they can't get rid of yeah it's 01:19:22.939 --> 01:19:25.350 just it's not worth it it sounds like a more 01:19:25.350 --> 01:19:27.369 extreme form of when we talked about when we 01:19:27.369 --> 01:19:29.510 talk about like kink is not an alternative to 01:19:29.510 --> 01:19:32.069 therapy kink can depending on what you're doing 01:19:32.069 --> 01:19:34.050 and if you're approaching it in a safe way from 01:19:34.050 --> 01:19:35.750 a position of stability it can feel therapeutic 01:19:35.750 --> 01:19:38.369 it can be cathartic it can be healing in some 01:19:38.369 --> 01:19:40.829 ways but if you actually set out with the goal 01:19:40.829 --> 01:19:42.489 of i'm going to treat your mental illness by 01:19:42.489 --> 01:19:44.949 smacking you about it's it's not going to go 01:19:44.949 --> 01:19:47.850 great it's a bad idea no it's not a good idea 01:19:47.850 --> 01:19:51.130 we've mentioned the files a couple times um essentially 01:19:51.130 --> 01:19:53.590 what we're saying there is the erotic hypnosis 01:19:53.590 --> 01:19:56.640 community does exist online and a lot of people 01:19:56.640 --> 01:19:59.840 create hypnotic files which is essentially just 01:19:59.840 --> 01:20:01.659 like i mentioned earlier with the most basic 01:20:01.659 --> 01:20:06.140 form of a hypnosis scene they take on the role 01:20:06.140 --> 01:20:09.539 of the hypnotist read out a script that essentially 01:20:09.539 --> 01:20:11.859 does the putting you in trance bringing you back 01:20:11.859 --> 01:20:13.880 out giving you suggestions that sort of thing 01:20:13.880 --> 01:20:17.460 um and some of them are really ethical and really 01:20:17.460 --> 01:20:19.899 good they provide a script for you to read beforehand 01:20:19.899 --> 01:20:23.079 um so that you can safety check it you can go 01:20:23.079 --> 01:20:24.579 through it and be like everything in there i 01:20:24.579 --> 01:20:27.720 like is that something i like fantastic but there's 01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:30.560 also as many unethical ones as there are ethical 01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:34.739 ones where when you listen to it it will not 01:20:34.739 --> 01:20:36.460 have anything to bring you back out of hypnosis 01:20:36.460 --> 01:20:39.340 it will not have anything to make sure that the 01:20:39.340 --> 01:20:42.939 effects of the hypnosis end when the file ends 01:20:42.939 --> 01:20:46.560 or end in a specific amount of time it can be 01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:48.520 really dangerous because again if you listen 01:20:48.520 --> 01:20:51.579 to that file three times a week every week and 01:20:51.579 --> 01:20:54.340 it has nothing built in to be like don't carry 01:20:54.340 --> 01:20:57.119 this into your normal life yeah you might end 01:20:57.119 --> 01:20:59.279 up being different or doing different things 01:20:59.279 --> 01:21:01.000 in your daily life that might affect your job 01:21:01.000 --> 01:21:02.819 or your family relationships and things like 01:21:02.819 --> 01:21:05.840 that yeah So it's very good to mainly go for 01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:08.180 ones if you are going to use them, for ones that 01:21:08.180 --> 01:21:10.279 come with scripts that you can pre -read and 01:21:10.279 --> 01:21:12.260 things like that. Obviously, when you're in the 01:21:12.260 --> 01:21:13.680 middle of it and you really just want to read, 01:21:13.779 --> 01:21:16.100 like, listen to a file, it's not the hottest 01:21:16.100 --> 01:21:17.960 thing to be like, right, let me get up this PDF 01:21:17.960 --> 01:21:21.000 and read the entire script. But that seems like 01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:23.720 a common sense approach that is a good idea because 01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:25.279 at least you know what you're getting into, regardless 01:21:25.279 --> 01:21:27.020 of what it is, even if it is something that might 01:21:27.020 --> 01:21:28.880 have other issues, at the very least, you know. 01:21:29.199 --> 01:21:32.069 Yeah, exactly. Because as well, like... Being 01:21:32.069 --> 01:21:35.350 non -binary, I don't mind gendered language, 01:21:35.609 --> 01:21:37.750 but I know there's some non -binary people who 01:21:37.750 --> 01:21:39.510 don't like being called a girl or a boy, and 01:21:39.510 --> 01:21:41.550 if you don't pre -read a script and you go into 01:21:41.550 --> 01:21:43.850 it and it says, like, oh, it's a female voice 01:21:43.850 --> 01:21:45.590 for anyone, and then you go in and they're saying 01:21:45.590 --> 01:21:48.869 boy, you might end up being under in trance and 01:21:48.869 --> 01:21:50.470 having a really nice time, and then you keep 01:21:50.470 --> 01:21:52.550 getting called a boy. And now you're like, oh, 01:21:52.590 --> 01:21:54.170 God, everything's awful and this is terrible. 01:21:54.609 --> 01:21:57.430 So even small things just like the specific pet 01:21:57.430 --> 01:21:59.729 names that are being used or things like that, 01:21:59.890 --> 01:22:01.670 it's really worth it to go, through and just 01:22:01.670 --> 01:22:03.829 be like yeah i like all the language it looks 01:22:03.829 --> 01:22:06.850 safe i'm cool with it um instead of just going 01:22:06.850 --> 01:22:11.329 ah that one sounds hot i'll give it a go i've 01:22:11.329 --> 01:22:13.649 heard a lot of almost exclusively bad things 01:22:13.649 --> 01:22:15.810 about bambi sleep is that one of the unethical 01:22:15.810 --> 01:22:18.789 ones to avoid that's a yeah don't do that yeah 01:22:18.789 --> 01:22:22.289 it is very unwise that's the one you were talking 01:22:22.289 --> 01:22:25.550 about sir where it is personality play yes bambi 01:22:25.550 --> 01:22:28.369 sleep is one of the ones where it is personality 01:22:28.369 --> 01:22:31.010 play where it intends to create a secondary personality 01:22:31.010 --> 01:22:35.970 it is a lot of the language is attempting to 01:22:35.970 --> 01:22:40.869 subvert any subject agency um it's intended to 01:22:40.869 --> 01:22:43.670 be addictive it's all of this sort of stuff it's 01:22:43.670 --> 01:22:47.579 not a good one There's other ones that are online 01:22:47.579 --> 01:22:49.479 that are also bad that I don't really want to 01:22:49.479 --> 01:22:50.779 mention. I just thought it was worth addressing 01:22:50.779 --> 01:22:51.920 that one because I think it's one of the best 01:22:51.920 --> 01:22:53.819 known and also one of the most cautioned against. 01:22:53.899 --> 01:22:55.720 It's one of the ones that if you're looking for 01:22:55.720 --> 01:22:57.880 files and you are specifically looking for like 01:22:57.880 --> 01:23:00.560 bimbo style files, you are immediately going 01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:02.220 to come across it. So it is definitely worth 01:23:02.220 --> 01:23:05.989 mentioning it because it... Became a massive 01:23:05.989 --> 01:23:08.189 popular thing and then people liked it so much 01:23:08.189 --> 01:23:11.149 that they started making similar files. So honestly, 01:23:11.270 --> 01:23:13.210 if it mentions the word Bambi in it, I probably 01:23:13.210 --> 01:23:15.090 just wouldn't touch it because it is probably 01:23:15.090 --> 01:23:17.489 something along the lines of the type of file 01:23:17.489 --> 01:23:20.149 that's personality play addictive. Probably doesn't 01:23:20.149 --> 01:23:24.789 have much safety stuff in it. Yeah, it's not 01:23:24.789 --> 01:23:28.149 good. When we first got together and he was like, 01:23:28.229 --> 01:23:29.930 and so I was like, oh, you could maybe listen 01:23:29.930 --> 01:23:31.550 to a couple of files. I was like, okay, cool. 01:23:32.359 --> 01:23:34.319 here's a bimbo one i want to try and he was like 01:23:34.319 --> 01:23:38.159 no no essentially taking it out of my hand and 01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:40.680 throwing it into the river just like absolutely 01:23:40.680 --> 01:23:44.079 not not allowed and i was like it sounded hot 01:23:44.079 --> 01:23:49.720 though and he's like yeah no bad do we want to 01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:54.779 give like an example of one if you're comfy giving 01:23:54.779 --> 01:23:56.600 recommendations like i think that would be helpful 01:23:56.600 --> 01:23:58.060 but also don't feel that you have to because 01:23:58.060 --> 01:24:00.550 i know it feels like a responsibility to if you've 01:24:00.550 --> 01:24:04.270 pointed something there's one just scrolling 01:24:04.270 --> 01:24:10.329 through about 16 000 um hypnosis files i use 01:24:10.329 --> 01:24:14.550 them for reference lilith unleashed is i believe 01:24:14.550 --> 01:24:16.970 the name of the creator and from what i can tell 01:24:16.970 --> 01:24:20.869 almost every single one of the files that she 01:24:20.869 --> 01:24:23.630 produces has scripts to go with it and that's 01:24:23.630 --> 01:24:26.829 like a very good place to start you know if you 01:24:26.829 --> 01:24:29.729 go to her like profile she has a reddit and things 01:24:29.729 --> 01:24:31.970 like that if you go on her thing she also interacts 01:24:31.970 --> 01:24:34.590 with other creators who also do files with scripts 01:24:34.590 --> 01:24:36.329 and things like that so even if you don't like 01:24:36.329 --> 01:24:38.750 her stuff she does interact with the good side 01:24:38.750 --> 01:24:40.729 of the community who do all the ethical stuff 01:24:40.729 --> 01:24:43.069 about here's what this contains here's the actual 01:24:43.069 --> 01:24:45.430 full script all that sort of stuff yeah so even 01:24:45.430 --> 01:24:47.210 if you don't like her stuff she does interact 01:24:47.210 --> 01:24:48.850 with good it's like what you're talking about 01:24:48.850 --> 01:24:50.970 as soon as you find one you find hundreds because 01:24:50.970 --> 01:24:52.489 they interact with each other so once you find 01:24:52.489 --> 01:24:54.289 someone that you like you can kind of follow 01:24:54.289 --> 01:24:55.770 the breadcrumb trail to others that might be 01:24:55.770 --> 01:24:58.279 similar oh absolutely yeah it's it's full on 01:24:58.279 --> 01:25:01.159 breadcrumbs. It's you find one and then suddenly 01:25:01.159 --> 01:25:03.079 a student in front of a full loaf of bread. It's 01:25:03.079 --> 01:25:10.260 like, do they, do those files work as well as 01:25:10.260 --> 01:25:12.680 doing it kind of in the way that you do it? It 01:25:12.680 --> 01:25:15.140 depends on what the file is and what it's intending 01:25:15.140 --> 01:25:18.560 to do. Yeah. Some of them are basically just, 01:25:18.619 --> 01:25:21.119 we're doing this thing for the duration of the 01:25:21.119 --> 01:25:23.659 file. Yeah. Some of them will be like, we're 01:25:23.659 --> 01:25:25.399 doing this and then it's going to affect you 01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:28.430 until you go to sleep. it depends on what the 01:25:28.430 --> 01:25:31.609 file is and what it's trying to do I can't say 01:25:31.609 --> 01:25:34.149 I've tried them as a person who's not particularly 01:25:34.149 --> 01:25:36.789 interested in being a subject I've tried some 01:25:36.789 --> 01:25:39.130 of them because you told me to give some a go 01:25:39.130 --> 01:25:41.090 to see if there was anything I specifically liked 01:25:41.090 --> 01:25:45.890 and also I did listen to some before we got together 01:25:45.890 --> 01:25:48.369 even though I will deny that until the end of 01:25:48.369 --> 01:25:54.520 my life Just beep that five seconds of the podcast. 01:25:55.100 --> 01:25:56.779 No, I'm just going to cut that bit and put it 01:25:56.779 --> 01:26:03.279 on repeat for like five minutes. So for me, it's 01:26:03.279 --> 01:26:06.859 like they can work. But if I don't like the person's 01:26:06.859 --> 01:26:09.460 voice, it's immediately a no. Like it just doesn't 01:26:09.460 --> 01:26:12.479 work for me. So it really does depend on the 01:26:12.479 --> 01:26:15.260 specific file. I think I found maybe like three, 01:26:15.399 --> 01:26:18.800 four creators that I liked. And then when Sir 01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:20.560 started doing it with me, I just gave them up. 01:26:21.210 --> 01:26:24.069 I've got to go home. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. 01:26:24.550 --> 01:26:27.090 That's fair. And does it take long to write like 01:26:27.090 --> 01:26:31.569 a script? I'm going to be honest here. I don't 01:26:31.569 --> 01:26:35.869 like writing scripts. Okay. I very much prefer 01:26:35.869 --> 01:26:39.550 maybe we probably are going to interact with 01:26:39.550 --> 01:26:43.229 it. I describe an idea that I have or Lana describes 01:26:43.229 --> 01:26:47.859 an idea that they have. Sort of go, hmm, that's 01:26:47.859 --> 01:26:51.619 hot. And then we maybe discuss it a little bit 01:26:51.619 --> 01:26:54.239 more, get an idea of the shape of what we want 01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:57.800 the scene to look like. And then I put them in 01:26:57.800 --> 01:27:00.939 trance, do it, and then we do the scene. There's 01:27:00.939 --> 01:27:03.779 a lot less script writing for me in particular, 01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:07.899 which is something I need to do more. One thing 01:27:07.899 --> 01:27:09.760 that I need to do that we've been talking about 01:27:09.760 --> 01:27:12.640 for a little bit is making a file that you can 01:27:12.640 --> 01:27:17.680 listen to as... part of our dynamic -y thing. 01:27:18.760 --> 01:27:20.779 Nice way to put it. Oh, a master slave dynamic. 01:27:21.039 --> 01:27:24.399 The dynamic -y thing. The dynamic -y thing. You're 01:27:24.399 --> 01:27:28.060 married, you're five years old. The really casual 01:27:28.060 --> 01:27:32.619 dynamic -y thing we've got going on. But that's 01:27:32.619 --> 01:27:35.399 a thing I need to do. The issue is that writing 01:27:35.399 --> 01:27:37.500 a script, you have to be careful about all of 01:27:37.500 --> 01:27:39.479 the stuff you put into it. You don't want to 01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:41.600 be creating something that might reinforce something 01:27:41.600 --> 01:27:44.909 you're not intending. And The other problem is 01:27:44.909 --> 01:27:48.229 that I have not yet figured out how to read in 01:27:48.229 --> 01:27:51.630 my hypnotic patter voice. I am unfortunately 01:27:51.630 --> 01:27:56.630 used to reading in a reading voice. Yeah, you've 01:27:56.630 --> 01:27:59.930 stolen, not fully stolen, but we've tried to 01:27:59.930 --> 01:28:03.329 use someone else's script before. We stole it. 01:28:06.700 --> 01:28:09.619 And it fully felt like you were just reading 01:28:09.619 --> 01:28:12.199 out of a book in front of a classroom. And I 01:28:12.199 --> 01:28:15.079 was like, I love you so much, sir. I'm just laid 01:28:15.079 --> 01:28:17.239 here listening to you. Like you're reading Lord 01:28:17.239 --> 01:28:20.119 of the Rings to me or something. It's not happening. 01:28:20.560 --> 01:28:22.359 That's how I used to put you to sleep. It was 01:28:22.359 --> 01:28:24.939 how you used to put me to sleep. But yeah, it's... 01:28:24.939 --> 01:28:28.970 You... It would be good for us to write scripts 01:28:28.970 --> 01:28:31.109 together potentially because it would mean that 01:28:31.109 --> 01:28:32.850 I could go, I don't like that line actually. 01:28:33.430 --> 01:28:35.470 I think this would be hot if you said this here. 01:28:36.409 --> 01:28:38.670 And it is honestly a really good thing for new 01:28:38.670 --> 01:28:40.630 people to do, to do it together because it is 01:28:40.630 --> 01:28:43.520 a way for the subject to... contribute while 01:28:43.520 --> 01:28:47.100 also not taking control yeah um and it's a very 01:28:47.100 --> 01:28:49.920 collaborative nice way to do it it's also a good 01:28:49.920 --> 01:28:53.220 skill for hypnotists to have because so is really 01:28:53.220 --> 01:28:55.460 good at doing it off the cuff but if you are 01:28:55.460 --> 01:28:58.100 brand new you've never done it it can be really 01:28:58.100 --> 01:29:00.159 daunting to be like, okay, I've got this person 01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:01.659 in front of me and I just kind of have to talk 01:29:01.659 --> 01:29:04.600 at them for an hour. Like, I'm going to run out 01:29:04.600 --> 01:29:07.699 of words. I can imagine people would lean very 01:29:07.699 --> 01:29:09.779 much one way or another because it's a different 01:29:09.779 --> 01:29:11.520 skill, but I imagine one with a bit of crossover. 01:29:11.560 --> 01:29:13.779 I used to, in a previous job, I used to do a 01:29:13.779 --> 01:29:16.220 lot of guided meditations. I worked in drug and 01:29:16.220 --> 01:29:18.100 alcohol services and I ran a meditation group. 01:29:18.300 --> 01:29:20.319 And some people do those with a script and someone 01:29:20.319 --> 01:29:22.100 that I worked with used to do theirs from a script. 01:29:22.260 --> 01:29:24.539 But I used to just go in with a rough idea in 01:29:24.539 --> 01:29:26.640 my head of what kind of visualizations I would 01:29:26.640 --> 01:29:27.979 do. would do what kind of exercises would be 01:29:27.979 --> 01:29:29.779 built into it and i would just do it and because 01:29:29.779 --> 01:29:31.920 i was doing it a couple of times a week it came 01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:34.319 very naturally to me and i'm the same if i'm 01:29:34.319 --> 01:29:36.000 reading something i have a reading voice and 01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:37.880 it doesn't sound quite the same when i'm making 01:29:37.880 --> 01:29:39.859 tiktok videos most of them i'm just talking off 01:29:39.859 --> 01:29:41.819 the cuff but occasionally if it's like a voiceover 01:29:41.819 --> 01:29:45.079 on a sort of a montage kind of video i'll script 01:29:45.079 --> 01:29:47.260 those and i can tell that my voice sounds different 01:29:47.260 --> 01:29:50.199 and it's not worse but it's different and for 01:29:50.199 --> 01:29:51.859 hypno i can imagine that would make a big difference 01:29:51.859 --> 01:29:57.869 yeah it really does yeah for sure I mentioned 01:29:57.869 --> 01:30:02.470 the intent earlier with the way that talking 01:30:02.470 --> 01:30:06.430 matters a lot to it. If you're messing up the 01:30:06.430 --> 01:30:08.649 way that you talk from how you would normally 01:30:08.649 --> 01:30:11.409 do hypnosis. The person's going to notice and 01:30:11.409 --> 01:30:13.670 it's going to affect their ability to actually 01:30:13.670 --> 01:30:17.310 go into trance. So that's a skill that I do need. 01:30:17.510 --> 01:30:19.010 It's a really good thing if you're getting into 01:30:19.010 --> 01:30:21.449 hypnosis because you get to decide what your 01:30:21.449 --> 01:30:24.430 hypnotic voice will be. But unfortunately, because 01:30:24.430 --> 01:30:26.350 we've been doing it for six years, if so, just 01:30:26.350 --> 01:30:27.850 suddenly it's like, actually, I'm going to do 01:30:27.850 --> 01:30:29.630 it like this from now on. I'm going to be stood 01:30:29.630 --> 01:30:32.670 there like, what's happening? This is not my 01:30:32.670 --> 01:30:35.840 hypnotist. I don't know who you are. And we'd 01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:38.420 have to do all of the getting used to that all 01:30:38.420 --> 01:30:40.720 over again. So it would almost be like restarting 01:30:40.720 --> 01:30:42.699 the process. But if you are brand new in the 01:30:42.699 --> 01:30:44.720 journey, you kind of get to go, okay, well, if 01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:47.119 I want to do scripts all the time, my reading 01:30:47.119 --> 01:30:50.439 voice will just be the hypnotic voice. Or if 01:30:50.439 --> 01:30:52.479 you always be like, no, I'm pretty good off the 01:30:52.479 --> 01:30:54.159 cuff. I'm just always going to do off the cuff. 01:30:54.439 --> 01:30:57.000 Then whatever voice you use in that will end 01:30:57.000 --> 01:31:00.180 up being the hypnotic voice. So it's very good. 01:31:00.640 --> 01:31:02.220 when you're starting to be able to experiment 01:31:02.220 --> 01:31:04.340 with the different flows, how fast you speak, 01:31:04.640 --> 01:31:07.239 how high or low you speak, all of that sort of 01:31:07.239 --> 01:31:08.979 stuff. It's a good time for experimentation. 01:31:09.260 --> 01:31:12.979 Not six years in though. Unfortunately. Yeah. 01:31:14.739 --> 01:31:16.420 So I think that's something that I would struggle 01:31:16.420 --> 01:31:18.140 with. I mean, I quite often have to talk off 01:31:18.140 --> 01:31:21.039 the top of my head for work, but I really struggle 01:31:21.039 --> 01:31:24.279 with like dirty talk as well. You are much better 01:31:24.279 --> 01:31:26.359 at it than me. I think you're pretty great. And 01:31:26.359 --> 01:31:28.859 I know it's not the same thing, but I can imagine 01:31:28.859 --> 01:31:31.920 that panic in me of going, oh, shit, what do 01:31:31.920 --> 01:31:34.180 I say? What am I going to say next? What am I 01:31:34.180 --> 01:31:37.060 going to say in 30 seconds time kind of thing? 01:31:37.159 --> 01:31:40.079 So I can imagine for me having a very least a 01:31:40.079 --> 01:31:42.760 structure, if not a script, would probably be 01:31:42.760 --> 01:31:45.199 quite helpful. I mean, it is definitely an option. 01:31:45.279 --> 01:31:47.359 You don't have to have a full script that you 01:31:47.359 --> 01:31:50.159 literally read off word by word. You can do bullet 01:31:50.159 --> 01:31:52.500 points just to be like, I want to hit this, I 01:31:52.500 --> 01:31:55.909 want to hit that, and I want to hit this. that 01:31:55.909 --> 01:31:58.109 is also an option of middle ground. And especially 01:31:58.109 --> 01:32:00.189 if you do it with the subject, the subject can 01:32:00.189 --> 01:32:01.789 go, I don't want you to hit that bullet point. 01:32:01.850 --> 01:32:05.890 That bullet point sucks. Let's do that one. So 01:32:05.890 --> 01:32:08.430 there's a lot of options. It's a really diverse 01:32:08.430 --> 01:32:11.130 kink and there's so many ways to do it. It's 01:32:11.130 --> 01:32:17.689 fantastic. Sold. That was our sales pitch. Now 01:32:17.689 --> 01:32:22.229 give us all your money. It is an interesting 01:32:22.229 --> 01:32:24.649 thing. to think about because part of why we 01:32:24.649 --> 01:32:26.989 love having guests on the podcast is that we 01:32:26.989 --> 01:32:29.010 get to talk about kinks that we're not all that 01:32:29.010 --> 01:32:31.250 familiar with either it's something that we're 01:32:31.250 --> 01:32:33.329 curious about or something that we're we're not 01:32:33.329 --> 01:32:35.329 going to do but kind of want to to learn about 01:32:35.329 --> 01:32:37.090 interesting for us to think about at the end 01:32:37.090 --> 01:32:39.090 of this journey how many kinks will we have developed 01:32:39.090 --> 01:32:41.979 because we have talked to people for an hour 01:32:41.979 --> 01:32:43.600 and a half about what they do. We're both like, 01:32:43.640 --> 01:32:46.140 oh yeah, we'll give that a bash. We'll give that 01:32:46.140 --> 01:32:48.680 a go. Yeah, I think, I mean, this one definitely, 01:32:48.779 --> 01:32:50.460 it was already on our list to explore this year 01:32:50.460 --> 01:32:52.340 and this has just made us even more sold on it. 01:32:53.659 --> 01:32:55.619 I think I'm getting that with the podcast a little 01:32:55.619 --> 01:32:57.560 bit as well because I do listen to it a fair 01:32:57.560 --> 01:33:00.319 amount. And you guys did the episode of Financial 01:33:00.319 --> 01:33:03.420 Domination. And we had dabbled in it a little 01:33:03.420 --> 01:33:06.819 bit last year where Sir made me pay for orgasms 01:33:06.819 --> 01:33:09.199 and then made me pay for him actually having 01:33:09.199 --> 01:33:12.199 sex with me because he's really fucking into 01:33:12.199 --> 01:33:17.279 denial. And I was like, OK, that was a fun experiment, 01:33:17.319 --> 01:33:19.539 but I'm really anxious about money. So maybe 01:33:19.539 --> 01:33:21.260 we won't do that again. And then I listened to 01:33:21.260 --> 01:33:22.979 the financial domination episode and I was like, 01:33:23.039 --> 01:33:27.840 oh, no. Like we talked about in that episode, 01:33:27.899 --> 01:33:29.939 though, it's you don't have to be using huge 01:33:29.939 --> 01:33:31.960 quantities of money. It's enough that you can 01:33:31.960 --> 01:33:33.800 feel it. And if you're going to feel losing that 01:33:33.800 --> 01:33:36.600 week is 50p, play with 50p. Like it doesn't have 01:33:36.600 --> 01:33:39.159 to be being forced to buy a Lego set for your 01:33:39.159 --> 01:33:44.289 dominant. Although 10 out of 10 would recommend. 01:33:45.229 --> 01:33:47.970 No, would not recommend. If I have to dust any 01:33:47.970 --> 01:33:51.670 more Lego in our flat, I would go insane. You're 01:33:51.670 --> 01:33:53.689 going to have to dust at least two more. I'm 01:33:53.689 --> 01:33:59.770 not absolutely dreading it. The Lego Titanic 01:33:59.770 --> 01:34:03.010 over there was a gift, but the Lego McLaren F1 01:34:03.010 --> 01:34:09.199 car was a Fyndon purchase. Yes. Great fun. And 01:34:09.199 --> 01:34:11.039 you just don't dust them, do you? You leave them 01:34:11.039 --> 01:34:12.220 alone. No, it makes sense. Well, you've told 01:34:12.220 --> 01:34:15.100 me not to touch them, so I don't touch them. 01:34:15.159 --> 01:34:17.000 But I feel like now that you've heard about this, 01:34:17.079 --> 01:34:18.920 you're going to start making me dust them. Can 01:34:18.920 --> 01:34:21.159 I get one of the little, like, air pressure, 01:34:21.279 --> 01:34:23.680 air blower things and just go... I was just going 01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:25.579 to ask, what do you... You'd have, like, a tiny 01:34:25.579 --> 01:34:27.119 little kind of dust stand. He hasn't even got 01:34:27.119 --> 01:34:30.399 me one of those. I'm like... very nervously touching 01:34:30.399 --> 01:34:33.979 it with a cloth i'm like shaking the entire time 01:34:33.979 --> 01:34:36.279 and i'm just like it's it's a very specific form 01:34:36.279 --> 01:34:41.659 of torture i love it love it i feel like if i 01:34:41.659 --> 01:34:43.640 knocked a bit off the lego especially the titanic 01:34:43.640 --> 01:34:45.180 which has got lots of little tiny thinly bits 01:34:45.180 --> 01:34:46.720 i feel like there would be some consequences 01:34:46.720 --> 01:34:49.159 sometimes consequences can be quite good as well 01:34:49.159 --> 01:34:52.079 i think that's probably partly why i've kind 01:34:52.079 --> 01:34:54.100 of said that you don't have to dust dust them 01:34:54.100 --> 01:34:56.899 is that just the idea of having to work out how 01:34:56.899 --> 01:34:58.840 the piece that's fallen off goes back on again 01:34:58.840 --> 01:35:01.399 without going through three big thick books like 01:35:01.399 --> 01:35:03.800 that to work it out it's just awful to me i'd 01:35:03.800 --> 01:35:06.680 rather they were dusty yeah yeah i fully knocked 01:35:06.680 --> 01:35:08.619 something off one of his star wars lego and i 01:35:08.619 --> 01:35:13.640 just kind of sunk to the ground i hate this You 01:35:13.640 --> 01:35:15.699 didn't mention that. No, I didn't. I didn't say 01:35:15.699 --> 01:35:17.479 I didn't mention that at all because I put it 01:35:17.479 --> 01:35:19.520 back in the right spot. Are you sure about that? 01:35:19.699 --> 01:35:22.779 I'm pretty confident. Okay. That's going to be 01:35:22.779 --> 01:35:24.640 an inspection. We're going to find out when you 01:35:24.640 --> 01:35:26.739 go home. Luckily, he has more than one, so it 01:35:26.739 --> 01:35:34.659 might take him a bit. Oh, no. Well, you've gotten 01:35:34.659 --> 01:35:37.380 them in trouble. Thanks. Thanks, guys. That just 01:35:37.380 --> 01:35:38.880 seems to happen every time I hang out with you. 01:35:39.000 --> 01:35:42.300 Yeah, a little bit. Was there anything else that 01:35:42.300 --> 01:35:45.960 you wanted to talk about? I don't think we had 01:35:45.960 --> 01:35:48.859 much else. I didn't want to go too deep because 01:35:48.859 --> 01:35:51.479 it is such a heavy topic. There's so much to 01:35:51.479 --> 01:35:53.380 it that we just didn't want to be like, let's 01:35:53.380 --> 01:35:57.909 do a five -hour episode. Well, we could always 01:35:57.909 --> 01:35:59.289 get you back again another time if there's a 01:35:59.289 --> 01:36:00.470 different aspect you want to talk about. But 01:36:00.470 --> 01:36:02.050 I feel like today's been a really good overview. 01:36:02.729 --> 01:36:04.810 As with everything we talk about, we would encourage 01:36:04.810 --> 01:36:06.329 that if people are wanting to get into this, 01:36:06.329 --> 01:36:08.569 that they don't just learn from this one episode. 01:36:08.569 --> 01:36:10.909 They go learn from multiple sources, do their 01:36:10.909 --> 01:36:12.869 own research, consider their own risk, all of 01:36:12.869 --> 01:36:15.630 that. But I think as a intro point, if people 01:36:15.630 --> 01:36:17.569 are wanting to start thinking about this, I think 01:36:17.569 --> 01:36:19.010 you've done amazing. And it's been really interesting 01:36:19.010 --> 01:36:21.689 for us too. Thank you. And yeah, again, if people 01:36:21.689 --> 01:36:25.010 want resources, Hip Hypnotist on FetLife, he 01:36:25.010 --> 01:36:26.949 does have a whole writing about different resources 01:36:26.949 --> 01:36:28.590 that are on there. They cover different forms 01:36:28.590 --> 01:36:31.310 of hypnosis and things like that. Some are very 01:36:31.310 --> 01:36:34.350 just introductory and then some are very like 01:36:34.350 --> 01:36:36.949 more in depth. So there's a variety on there 01:36:36.949 --> 01:36:39.310 and they should help you get into the community 01:36:39.310 --> 01:36:42.510 to find your own resources as well. We've laid 01:36:42.510 --> 01:36:45.710 out breadcrumbs. Excellent stuff. Well, thank 01:36:45.710 --> 01:36:47.810 you so much for coming along. It was really lovely. 01:36:48.109 --> 01:36:50.609 Yeah. Yeah. It was good. Thanks for having us. 01:36:50.890 --> 01:36:53.170 Absolutely. Amazing. Thank you so much. Bye. 01:36:53.189 --> 01:37:04.329 Bye. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Thanks 01:37:04.329 --> 01:37:06.050 for listening to this week's episode of Don't 01:37:06.050 --> 01:37:08.229 Scare the Newbies. You can support us on Patreon 01:37:08.229 --> 01:37:10.369 for a whole extra episode every month and head 01:37:10.369 --> 01:37:12.789 to carizal .com for my blog and links to everywhere 01:37:12.789 --> 01:37:15.409 else you can follow me. See you next time.