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Welcome to Don't Scare the Newbies, a podcast

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where we talk kink, raw and unfiltered. I'm Carizel,

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a lifestyle submissive in a 24 -7 dynamic who

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likes their kink heavy, intense and scary. And

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I'm S, Carizel's dominant, who knows how to deliver

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all of the above. And today we're going to be

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getting gory. We're going to be talking all about

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blood. Yes, bloody hell, etc. I need to try harder

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with my silly little puns. I like how hit and

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miss they are. Losing my ability. Because sometimes

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they're really good and sometimes they're like

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a proper dad joke. Yeah. And sometimes it's like,

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you didn't think about this at all, did you?

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No, I didn't. No. No, I didn't think about that

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until the very moment it happened. But that's

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your role in this podcast is you don't think

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about anything. You just turn up. I hand you

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an outline. I hand you a mic. Well, you hand

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yourself a microphone because my hands are too

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weak to set them up. Yes. And then you talk for

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a couple of hours. And then you do the rest of

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it. Yeah. Yeah. you can tell who does the outlining

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constant surprise i look down and wonder why

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you're not saying anything it's because you're

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waiting for me yep so yeah blood play this is

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one of those that i genuinely had to ask to make

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sure that my definition was correct which i why

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how mix i don't know to be fair i think it's

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like that thing where someone phones you like

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someone from a company phones you and asks you

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to confirm your postcode yeah you immediately

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i had that on the phone the other day i forgot

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the postcode yeah i was like i don't know my

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i don't know i'm homeless i don't know lived

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here for two and a bit years can't remember no

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anyway blood play is quite simply any type of

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kinky play that involves a person bleeding yeah

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and i felt a bit daft when i was putting this

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in the outline it was like surely people know

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what blood play is the name kind of gives it

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away even if you've never heard of it before

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but also i do think there are there are some

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things that are definitely clearly blood play

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but there are some things where maybe people

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would debate it a bit more so like period sex

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for example. No one's being intentionally made

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to bleed there, but I still tend to put it under

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the same umbrella of kinks. I think if you're

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just happening to have sex on your period, maybe

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it's not, but if you're having sex because you're

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on your period and that is part of the thing

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that you're getting from it, then I would count

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it. Yeah, I think so. And I think there are a

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lot of people who would say that kind of blood

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is their main kink, I suppose, or a big kink

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for them. But for us, I think it's more like,

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or for me anyway, it's more like the icing on

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the cake. Of the kink. Yeah. Like the way that

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we do blood play, as you said, includes having

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sex while you're on your period, but also impacts

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with things that will make you bleed. Yeah. We

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haven't done a lot of like using scalpels. We've

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done any using scalpels. But I have. You have.

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Yeah. So that's a type of blood play as well,

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because you're cutting the skin and making someone

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bleed. Yeah. So it kind of has that connection

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to lots of other kinky activity as well, as well

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as being a kink and an interest in its own right.

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Yeah, I would agree. I think, as you say, for

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some people, blood is the point. For some people,

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something else might be the point, but blood

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can be an addition to it or a way of getting

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to where you want to be. Yeah. Which is just

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wonderful, isn't it? Yeah. The flexible world

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of kink that we live in. So because this is one

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of those topics which people might feel a little

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bit squeaky about. yeah so we should probably

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kind of set out what we're going to talk about

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because this talking about blood can be a little

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bit kind of difficult for some people to to process

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i suppose yeah and i will as always be putting

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a content note on the description so once we

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have said all the things we're going to say i'll

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know what we've said and i'll include i'll include

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them but yeah um given that this is definitely

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a really common squick we're going to be talking

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in detail in graphic detail about intentional

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bleeding throughout Yeah. So we're going to talk

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about what it is. We're going to describe a scene

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that we did in some detail, which involved quite

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a lot of blood. Yeah. And we'll talk about the

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usual kind of practical safety things that people

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need to think about. Yeah. And if you handled

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the episode that we had with Mark about sharps

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play a few weeks ago, then you'll probably be

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fine. That's true. Which is also a really good

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episode. If this episode interests you, that

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should be next on your list if you're not listening

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in order. Yes, that was a very good episode.

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Very popular episode as well. People really liked

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Mark. Yeah. Which is nice because he's a really

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nice guy. He is. He's lovely. But yeah, it's

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always nice when his likeability managed to land

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with people while he was talking about just horrific

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torture. Yeah. I could imagine that not always

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quite connecting with the audience, but he has

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the charm to carry it off. He really does. So

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what I imagine some people might be wondering

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right now is why? Probably. I mean, I imagine

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the people listening to this podcast will think

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that quite a lot. Yeah. And they're probably

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used to it by now. It's like, oh, of course.

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Of course they like Blood. Yeah. Sounds about

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right. But what does Blood play do for you, Mix?

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What do you get out of it? I think this is a

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really tricky one for me because it isn't necessarily

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the blood itself that is appealing to you. I

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don't get any more aroused by a scene that involves

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blood compared to one that doesn't. Right. I

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think... Because a lot of the stuff that we do

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around Bloodplay is usually impact. I think what

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I like about it is it's a really visible sign

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of what we're doing. You are notoriously difficult

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to bruise. Almost impossible, yeah. As we've

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said before, and as we would continue to say,

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bruising does not make us the masochist. Yeah.

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But sometimes you do a really big, thuddy, whippy,

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stingy, whatever, impact scene. And you don't

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always see the result of it. Yeah. And I find

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that hard sometimes because I really like getting

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marks. And I like seeing the achievement of what

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I took. Yeah. And if I come away from a scene

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that felt like it was really heavy and I haven't

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bruised or I've barely bruised, it makes me start

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questioning myself and go, was it even that intense?

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Maybe I'm just a wuss. So yeah, one of the things

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that I really like about blood as well is by

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its nature, it involves breaking the skin. So

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I will always have some kind of marks. Yeah.

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Yeah, and one of the things that I enjoy about

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it is seeing a really visual impact of what I'm

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doing. But also it's just dead interesting because

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different things, different impact tools do different

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things. Yeah. So it has a different impact, different

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visual impact. It looks different on your skin,

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which I just find fascinating. And blood is very

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visual as well. Yeah, yeah. It's a big mess.

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Yeah. Because it's interesting, you said blood

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itself maybe doesn't necessarily add a lot to

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the scene for you. It's more about everything

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that's going on around it. I definitely think

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blood adds something for me. Right. I wouldn't

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say it's like my main kink or it's essential

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or that I feel like a scene where I don't bleed

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is any less good. Yeah. there is something i

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find really hot about seeing my own blood and

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seeing particularly if it's i mean we're never

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talking huge quantities of blood here we're never

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talking like even the amount that you would lose

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by donating blood for example it's not large

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quantities but if you're doing something that's

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breaking the skin in small ways but in a lot

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of places yeah you get a big splatter of the

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blood you get a big visual of the blood even

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it was actually a very small quantity and that

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that feels really exciting to me to see yeah

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the result Yeah, that's a really good point because

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it is fascinating, isn't it? Because when we

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do it, we've done it a few times where it looks

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like you are just hemorrhaging from your various

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body parts and it's not actually that much. No.

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You know, if you've kind of squeezed out all

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of the little tissues and baby wipes and stuff

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that we use and got all of the blood out of it,

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it probably wouldn't be very much. Yeah. But

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it looks like I've just massacred you. Yeah.

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I mean, it's the same with periods. I'm sure

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the average period is something stupid like two

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or three teaspoons. I haven't looked that up,

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but it is a quantity of that type. It's measured

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in milliliters. It's a small amount. But when

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you're on, especially on sort of day two, it

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feels like all of my blood is coming out of me.

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And if I move wrong or sneeze, I'm going to explode.

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And it's actually not that much. It's just blood

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is a very vivid colour. And it gets everywhere.

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So it doesn't take a lot of it to look like you've

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lost a lot. Yeah, there is a little bit of egotism

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in me as well because it isn't something that

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everybody does. Yeah. It's like you go to a play

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event and by and large the majority of people

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there will be hitting each other with stuff.

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Doing bloody impact isn't something that you

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often see at events. Yeah. You don't. and and

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when you show people or when people see it or

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you talk about it you do sometimes get that kind

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of reaction of oh my god oh that's some heavy

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shit yeah so there's a little bit of ego in it

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as well i think for me which i quite enjoy you

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know it's that kind of kink's not a competition

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but sometimes i'm winning i think that's valid

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because i feel that way too it's like yeah we

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shouldn't be competitive and things like that

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but it's nice to it's nice to have people impressed

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by the things you've done if you're going to

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engage in kink community you don't want to just

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fade into the background you want people to be

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like oh look they do some cool stuff yeah yeah

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and it's a very eye -catching type of play and

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as you say not everyone does it yeah yeah and

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i think it looks heavier than it is as well people

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think it means you're a really heavy player yeah

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but It's actually, to me, it's not any more intense

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than regular impact when we do bloody impact.

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Some of the other stuff that people do for blood,

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some of the really intense stuff with sharps

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can start getting more into that edge play zone

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and can be really intense. But I personally don't

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find bloody impact, which is what we mainly do.

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Yeah. I don't find it overly intense. Yeah. My

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perception of it for you is it's kind of like

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really thuddy impact, which sometimes is almost

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meditative. Yeah. for you you kind of go into

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that really zoned out kind of subspace with a

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good bloody beating and i guess depending on

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what i'm hitting you with and where it's a similar

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sort of thing for bloody impact yeah very much

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dependent on what toys you're using and where

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yes there are things you can do with it that

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makes it really really mean yeah but it doesn't

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have to be and definitely my first sort of couple

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of years of experience of blood play was all

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stuff that was very squarely within my comfort

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zone it didn't really challenge me yeah um and

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then we've we've pushed it as we tend to but

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it's it's very easy for it to be a sort of a

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comfortable level of play for me yeah which is

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just nuts when you say it out loud it really

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isn't it you know that perception of it yeah

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is you know kind of people think oh my god it's

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so extreme and so heavy wow but actually it's

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like yeah If we could dexter our room, we'd probably

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do it every other week. Yeah. Quiet Tuesday afternoon

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kind of thing. Yeah, just a nice way to unwind

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after work. So what is it that you really get

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from Bloody Impact in particular? Yeah, I would

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say like Bloodplay in general, a lot of it all

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links together for me and activates a lot of

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the same stuff. The sensation is really nice,

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as you talked about there. It is often very within

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my comfort zone of the types of pain that I like.

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And when we talk about impact, we often talk

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about thuddy, stingy and slappy. So thuddy is

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like heavy, deep into the muscle, almost like

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a really firm massage kind of impact. Stingy

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is things like whips and canes and it's very

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sharp. quite a cold feeling pain. Slappy is like

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a cross between the two. It's the sting of the

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stingy, but over a larger area and penetrating

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a little bit deeper, but not a lot. Slappy is

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the hardest one for me. Really actively dislike

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slappy. Stingy is fun when I'm in the mood for

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it, but usually pushes me quite hard. And thuddy

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is really relaxing. It's sort of spiky impact.

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I would say it doesn't feel quite like any of

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them, depending on what the spiky stuff is attached

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to. It can have elements of all three, but it

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is a pain that I describe as a warm pain. It

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feels almost like a sunburn, but in a sexy way.

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So it's a really unique sensation and it's really

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nice. It's really enjoyable, even when it is

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sort of that stuff that pushes me and challenges

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me a little bit more. I really like the visuals,

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like I mentioned. Yeah. But there's something

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for me about like a morbid fascination with seeing

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my own blood. Right. It's... I've always been

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quite a weird person when it comes to sort of

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morbid interests. When I was a kid, I used to...

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No. Surely not. Roadkill, I would... practice

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i tried to learn taxidermy but entirely self

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-taught and when there was less on the internet

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so that didn't work i had a lot of stinky stuff

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that my parents would have to remove from the

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house um but i used to collect bones and i didn't

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know how to clean bones properly and i've always

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just had an interest in the the slightly twisted

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and so doing a bit of mad science with my own

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body like that yeah ties into that for me as

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well yeah that makes a lot of sense knowing you

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as i do yeah completely unsurprising revelation

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yeah um Well, you know that because when I first

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moved in here, I was like, oh, my God, finally,

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I'm living in a house in the country with a garden.

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I can start collecting roadkill again. And you're

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like, no, please. Yeah. Do you have to? Oh, God.

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And then I moved in and brought all of my stuff

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and I was unpacking all of my witchy things.

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And I was like, these are the bones I put on

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my altar. And you're like, why? Why do you have

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bones? Yeah. Why is this bag with an entire spine

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in it that has a biohazard label on it? Why do

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you have that? Yeah. And I was like, oh, don't

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worry. It's in its biohazard bag and I'll clean

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it at some point. And you're like. Why? Yeah,

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that's a very good explanation of the fact that

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it's in a bag, but it doesn't answer the fundamental

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question. Why? I just like them. I think they're

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cool. And you, to be fair, you came around because

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you got me, I think, for like the first Valentine's

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Day after we were living together. Either Valentine's

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or my birthday, you got me a little tiny animal

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bone. Yeah. In a little box. Yes. All ethically

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sourced. I don't... buy from places and i wouldn't

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want to be bought from places that are killing

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animals for this stuff but you can find absolute

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fuck tons of roadkill or animals that have just

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died naturally if you live in the middle of nowhere

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so there's a lot of ethically sourced bones available

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yeah yeah um but that is dead interesting though

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it it kind of goes back to the episode with mark

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and where he talks about his his fascination

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with sharps play is about that kind of challenging

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that idea that there is a barrier between your

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body and the rest of the rest of the universe

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or the rest of the world and actually it's a

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lot more permeable yeah than that um we are not

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solid but we perceive ourselves as solid and

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kind of playing with scalpels and sharps and

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i suppose bloody impact is the same sort of thing

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it kind of challenges that notion that we are

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solid and impermeable yeah get the insides out

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and Mess around with them. Yes, essentially.

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Next up, dissection. Oh God, no. No. We are not

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doing that. We are not doing dissection. We are

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not doing amputation. None of that. Giant hogweed

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mix? No. No. No. Fair. Another thing I like about

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it is the effect it has on the room. me too and

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i know we are so much more responsible here than

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i used to be at my old flat yeah do attempt to

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prevent too much mess but whatever we do you

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just find it everywhere don't you mix yeah yeah

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like our bedroom is what size is our bedroom

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mix you know this uh five meters by five meters

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roughly it's a big room and we regularly will

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find spots of blood on the mirror that is as

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far away as you can get in that room from the

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bed little bits on the ceiling and it's got a

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really high ceiling as well yeah um blood that

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has somehow got on the carpet under where plastic

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sheeting was yeah however much we try it's always

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there and every time i clean the room i find

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a little bit and go better deal with that yeah

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um but where i used to live me and my ex -partner

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were basically like I guess eventually when we

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move, we'll clean this up and we just saw how

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messy it could get. Yeah. Yeah. There is just

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something really nice about it. Really fun about

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it. Like seeing it splatter everywhere and like

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not just the effect on your body, but kind of

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when I stand up. Yeah. And I've got blood on

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my hands and other parts of my body as well and

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on my clothes and stuff like that. One of the

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things I find. absolutely the hottest and this

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is probably because i saw american psycho at

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slightly too impressionable in an age yeah but

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when you have like blood splatter across your

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face yeah that is exactly my thing yeah so there

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is something quite nice about them like the mess

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of it as well isn't there like it's not i don't

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think i would put it in the same category as

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like some of the um air quotes gross kind of

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fluid play like kind of piss and poop and vomit

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and stuff like that i don't think i would put

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it in that category it doesn't feel the same

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to me no no you know it doesn't doesn't feel

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like that way for me but there is something about

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like seeing you covered in blood and being covered

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in blood myself there's been at least one time

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that i can remember where we did a really bloody

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impact scene and then i fucked you from behind

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yeah and like had blood just all over the place

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like all over my thighs and all over my tummy

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and stuff like that and it's like no actually

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that's quite hot isn't it yeah it is yeah it

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is i would say like on sort of other kind of

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messy and and what i consider gross kinks in

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a positive and affirming way it doesn't feel

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the same to me same elegant it doesn't have the

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same element of degradation and feeling like

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a gross mess of a human but one of the things

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i get out of those other kinks is the feeling

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of being really raw and authentic and present

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and not having to be polished and pretty and

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performing yeah and blood definitely does the

00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:10.099
same thing there where it's it's about as primal

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as you can get yeah so it's got a link there

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but it has a distinctly different headspace to

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it yeah yeah i think that's fair and i think

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it's interesting primal is an interesting word

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to use because i think when we've done those

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things and i've ended up either because i fucked

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you or because i've just got it everywhere on

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me there is something a little bit kind of caveman

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about it yeah you know like being reduced to

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my base self Which I think is why I find it so

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hot on you because it is that just like remembering

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you are just a creature. Yeah. That I really

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like. Yeah. I think I like that more than you

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because that was me at camping running around

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naked in the rain going, yes, I'm an animal.

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And you were like, I wish I had an umbrella.

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I'm going back in the tent. Well, no, it was

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raining and you were running around. Mostly naked,

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I think. Completely naked. Whereas I was sitting

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on the little camping chair, slightly grumpy

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because it was raining, with my cup of coffee

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and a cigarette, and I moved my camping chair

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under the tree so that I could get out of the

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rain. And you were gambling about in this field.

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I was like, no, we are different people. But

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none of my clothes were wet when it stopped raining

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because I wasn't wearing them. No, that is true.

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I'm smart and wise. No, but I was sitting there

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thinking, I could be in a B &B eating breakfast

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made by a very nice little old lady. right now

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and here i am in a tent in a tent in a tent on

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a rainy day but anyway we're not talking about

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the weather at um a redacted location in in england

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no we are not a weather podcast i feel like we

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wouldn't have the audience we do if uh if we

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were no because we are not meteorologists so

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we'd be a bit rubbish we would um we are british

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though so talking about the weather is is a skill

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of ours True. But instead of talking about the

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weather, how about you tell us about your first

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experience of Bloodplay Mix? Because I have never

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actually asked you this and I do not know. Do

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you know what? When I saw the outline 10 minutes

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ago, I was trying to think, what was my first

00:20:07.170 --> 00:20:09.430
experience with Bloodplay? The first experience

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I can remember, I don't think it was my first

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ever one, because I think I might have had an

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experience a very long time ago. But I think

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the one that kind of made me go, oh yeah, I can

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do this, was with my ex -partner, who we've talked

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about before. when we were planning that visit,

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we were like, okay, what things should I bring?

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What things should I get to come and do mean

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stuff to you? And we were looking at things.

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There was a spiky paddle, one with little acupressure

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discs on it. And we were both like, ooh, that's

00:20:42.170 --> 00:20:45.329
interesting. That looks like fun. Well, actually,

00:20:45.369 --> 00:20:47.230
what I think we thought was, ooh, that looks

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like it would hurt. Yeah. And didn't really kind

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of think through the mess of it. So I got that,

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took it with me. One of several things that I

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am genuinely to this day surprised I managed

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to get through airport security. Because for

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anyone who's not listened to the long distance

00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:06.279
episode, this was your partner who lived in America.

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So you were visiting in America, flying internationally.

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Yes. Yeah. And it was all in my suitcase. So

00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:12.900
it was all in check luggage. But you know, when

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you're kind of just sitting in the airport going,

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I'm going to get arrested. I am going to. rot

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in an immigration cell somewhere at heathrow

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airport and never be seen again um so we managed

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to get that into the country and we tried it

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out but we tried it out really gently yeah because

00:21:32.390 --> 00:21:36.650
we were like yeah it's a bit spiky in it um but

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it was really fun and even sort of what now feels

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like a really gentle experience had quite a big

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effect You really don't need to hit very hard

00:21:45.579 --> 00:21:48.960
with those to make a mess. No, and it was really

00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:53.279
quite fascinating to have fairly gentle hits

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have such a big impact on someone's skin. Yeah.

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Because not quite to your level, but she could

00:22:02.420 --> 00:22:07.160
take a beating. So, you know, other things I

00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:08.720
would hit her with quite hard, that I didn't.

00:22:09.259 --> 00:22:12.240
But it was just... It was fascinating more than

00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:14.980
anything else to have that outsized effect because

00:22:14.980 --> 00:22:19.599
from what I was doing, I don't think she was

00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:24.900
mad keen on it. Yeah. To be honest. I think that,

00:22:24.940 --> 00:22:26.420
like you were saying before, that kind of different

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sensations from different things was, I think

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that was quite a lot for her. That's fair. It's

00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:34.059
a very unique sensation. So either you're going

00:22:34.059 --> 00:22:36.220
to like that or you're really not. Yeah. So I

00:22:36.220 --> 00:22:38.940
think that was my formative experience with it.

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I have a vague recollection, but I can't remember

00:22:41.450 --> 00:22:44.849
what width of several many years ago. But again,

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it was kind of fairly gentle, I think. Definitely

00:22:48.029 --> 00:22:50.589
wasn't acupressure discs. It might just have

00:22:50.589 --> 00:22:54.730
been like a rough surface. Yeah. So really rough

00:22:54.730 --> 00:22:56.990
sandpaper kind of thing. So it wasn't so much

00:22:56.990 --> 00:22:59.569
hitting as it was scraping. Yeah, you can get

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some really nice grazes from stuff like that.

00:23:01.230 --> 00:23:04.289
Yeah, so like using a swiping motion rather than

00:23:04.289 --> 00:23:07.789
a straight down. Yeah. Listeners, I am miming.

00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:12.380
The action, which is just useless. We should

00:23:12.380 --> 00:23:14.140
start filming these. On an audio, absolutely

00:23:14.140 --> 00:23:19.480
not. No, I will retire. to be fair i really like

00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:21.599
it not being on camera because like i have to

00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:23.400
wear makeup every day anyway because of our rules

00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:25.160
but there are definitely times where we record

00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:27.579
the podcast where i'm not looking my best and

00:23:27.579 --> 00:23:29.339
it's nice not having to worry about like when

00:23:29.339 --> 00:23:30.980
i'm filming for tiktok i have to think do i look

00:23:30.980 --> 00:23:33.099
presentable or am i going to post this and get

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500 comments asking oh my god are you okay you

00:23:35.140 --> 00:23:39.279
look so tired uh yes that is true see there is

00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:42.829
there is some benefits to relative anonymity

00:23:42.829 --> 00:23:46.230
so yeah i i had some experience before we met

00:23:46.230 --> 00:23:49.670
but not loads yeah um and it was yeah it was

00:23:49.670 --> 00:23:52.109
one of those really weird experiences where i

00:23:52.109 --> 00:23:55.470
definitely enjoyed it more than they did so i

00:23:55.470 --> 00:23:58.410
felt a little bit bad about that but was like

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yeah i would quite like to do that again that

00:24:00.109 --> 00:24:02.150
was that was fun and you did get to do it again

00:24:02.150 --> 00:24:04.559
i did get to do it again which leads us in quite

00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:06.240
nicely why don't you tell us about your first

00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:09.819
experience yeah so my first experience was with

00:24:09.819 --> 00:24:13.400
you mix yes obviously you know um holy shit was

00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:17.859
it yeah my first time was with you um and it

00:24:17.859 --> 00:24:20.400
hadn't been planned we hadn't we hadn't talked

00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:23.099
about it um and this wasn't like a negotiating

00:24:23.099 --> 00:24:24.900
up mid play thing i mean we hadn't really talked

00:24:24.900 --> 00:24:26.339
a lot about the specifics of anything we were

00:24:26.339 --> 00:24:30.549
going to do we no met on tinder chatted relatively

00:24:30.549 --> 00:24:32.730
briefly i sent a list of what i was into which

00:24:32.730 --> 00:24:36.549
is my opening move on a date yes yeah and direction

00:24:36.549 --> 00:24:39.349
to the point i appreciated it yeah and and you

00:24:39.349 --> 00:24:41.589
were like yeah i'm into all of those things let's

00:24:41.589 --> 00:24:44.490
go and we talked a little bit about you know

00:24:44.490 --> 00:24:46.910
safety stuff and safe words and all the important

00:24:46.910 --> 00:24:49.250
negotiating for a hookup yeah um but the plan

00:24:49.250 --> 00:24:50.950
was that you were going to come over bring some

00:24:50.950 --> 00:24:53.150
kit i'd already got some kit and we would just

00:24:53.150 --> 00:24:55.009
kind of look at what we had and decide what we

00:24:55.009 --> 00:24:57.630
wanted to do at the time yeah so you turned up

00:24:57.630 --> 00:25:00.359
i showed you my pretty small toy collection that

00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:02.480
i had yeah and you showed me what you brought

00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:04.460
in your bag yeah and we're like what would you

00:25:04.460 --> 00:25:06.640
like to be hit with and because of who i am as

00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:08.539
a person i immediately spotted the paddle with

00:25:08.539 --> 00:25:11.680
the spikes on yeah and i was like that that looks

00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:14.839
like that would break the skin and i genuinely

00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:16.799
didn't know that that was a thing that you could

00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:20.279
do like i did not know that that was a kink that

00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:21.960
existed and i was looking at it and i was like

00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:24.539
you know maybe it doesn't actually break the

00:25:24.539 --> 00:25:26.180
skin and it looks sharper than it is but i'm

00:25:26.180 --> 00:25:27.759
familiar with those acupressure dicks because

00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:32.740
i Your acupressure discs. Acupressure dicks.

00:25:34.299 --> 00:25:35.779
Oh, I'm going to have to leave that in. Give

00:25:35.779 --> 00:25:41.019
you that sweet acupressure dick, baby. I am familiar

00:25:41.019 --> 00:25:44.299
with acupressure discs because I have an acupressure

00:25:44.299 --> 00:25:48.640
mat. It's so nice. It's so relaxing. It looks

00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:51.299
like some kind of torture device. I might like

00:25:51.299 --> 00:25:53.920
it because I'm a masochist. yeah because everyone

00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:55.420
i know who's not a masochist who's tried them

00:25:55.420 --> 00:25:57.680
hates them but i love it it's so good it's so

00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:00.400
good for back pain it's so relaxing um so yeah

00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:01.839
i was familiar with the discs and they don't

00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:03.200
break your skin when you just lie on them on

00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:05.359
a mat like that no but i know they're really

00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:06.880
sharp so i was looking at it trying to figure

00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:09.920
out how is that possible but when i said that

00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:11.460
looks like it breaks the skin you're like oh

00:26:11.460 --> 00:26:15.559
yeah yeah it does um so i immediately was like

00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:18.440
that one Yeah. And you being a responsible sadist

00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:20.339
who'd only met me five minutes earlier. Yeah.

00:26:20.859 --> 00:26:22.539
Suggested we warm up with some other things and

00:26:22.539 --> 00:26:24.460
do some other stuff as well. Yeah. So you hit

00:26:24.460 --> 00:26:26.299
me with, I don't remember what, various other

00:26:26.299 --> 00:26:29.920
things. Probably the evil one. Yes, I would have

00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:32.009
had that. Yeah, I got that before I met you.

00:26:32.130 --> 00:26:34.670
And that was your very favourite for a long time.

00:26:34.809 --> 00:26:37.230
Yeah. Yeah, the evil one, for anyone who hasn't

00:26:37.230 --> 00:26:38.609
heard us talk about this before, I think it's

00:26:38.609 --> 00:26:41.589
been a while. It's made out of a car tyre. It's

00:26:41.589 --> 00:26:44.069
a strip of rubber with the tread on it. And it

00:26:44.069 --> 00:26:47.269
is awful. It stings like fuck. Yeah. Really,

00:26:47.329 --> 00:26:50.910
really slappy, really nasty. And it used to bruise

00:26:50.910 --> 00:26:54.309
me quite well, but I've moved beyond even being

00:26:54.309 --> 00:26:56.490
able to be bruised by that now. No. So yeah,

00:26:56.490 --> 00:26:58.509
we played with that. A few thuddier things, and

00:26:58.509 --> 00:27:00.910
then you went for the spikes. I'm trying to think

00:27:00.910 --> 00:27:03.890
what I had now. I can't remember. Yeah. My collection

00:27:03.890 --> 00:27:05.750
at that time was fairly small as well, I think.

00:27:05.910 --> 00:27:10.450
Yeah. So anyway, included in there was the spiky

00:27:10.450 --> 00:27:12.410
paddle. Yes. So we worked our way up to that.

00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:15.920
like looking back at it now you did take it fairly

00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:17.539
easy on me but it felt like you were hitting

00:27:17.539 --> 00:27:19.960
me pretty fucking hard with it and it was so

00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:22.240
cool like i was so into it immediately i was

00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:24.519
like a kink unlocked and i got you to send me

00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:26.599
the link to it but the one that you have was

00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:28.920
sold out so i just searched vampire paddle because

00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:30.779
that was what the one you'd got was listed as

00:27:30.779 --> 00:27:32.779
yeah i searched vampire paddle on etsy and found

00:27:32.779 --> 00:27:34.660
myself one bought one literally i think the next

00:27:34.660 --> 00:27:37.579
day yeah and and that was my favorite toy for

00:27:37.579 --> 00:27:41.160
about two years it's so good yeah I mean, you

00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:43.740
say that, I think looking back on it now, what

00:27:43.740 --> 00:27:47.059
we did on that very first hookup was a lot milder

00:27:47.059 --> 00:27:50.539
than it is now. Yeah. But it wasn't light. No,

00:27:50.619 --> 00:27:53.200
I mean, by our standards, not by any normal standards.

00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:56.619
Yeah, you know, I still hit you pretty hard.

00:27:56.740 --> 00:27:59.140
I mean, you are right is that I was probably

00:27:59.140 --> 00:28:01.700
a little bit more tentative with the vampire

00:28:01.700 --> 00:28:05.619
paddle, but that's because I just met you. Yeah.

00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:11.569
Didn't really know what you were about. But it

00:28:11.569 --> 00:28:19.769
wasn't a light tap. No. But it makes me really

00:28:19.769 --> 00:28:21.970
happy that that was your first time doing that.

00:28:22.109 --> 00:28:26.569
Yeah. And it unlocked that in you. You're like,

00:28:26.630 --> 00:28:28.269
oh, yes, that is something that I want to continue

00:28:28.269 --> 00:28:31.170
to do. Yeah. It was a really nice experience

00:28:31.170 --> 00:28:33.049
to have, even if that was the only time we'd

00:28:33.049 --> 00:28:36.269
ever met. Yeah. It was a really memorable hookup.

00:28:36.430 --> 00:28:39.970
Yeah. Yeah. But like having that kind of King

00:28:39.970 --> 00:28:43.109
Kong locked effect on someone is just great.

00:28:43.329 --> 00:28:45.250
Yeah. You kind of, somebody walks away from an

00:28:45.250 --> 00:28:46.690
experience where you go, oh yeah, I'm into that

00:28:46.690 --> 00:28:50.349
now. Yeah. Mint. And then to end up in a relationship

00:28:50.349 --> 00:28:52.509
with that person. Yeah. Yeah. And that just makes

00:28:52.509 --> 00:28:55.029
it even nicer. Yeah. You know, kind of the extra

00:28:55.029 --> 00:28:57.390
cherry on the cake kind of, kind of thing. But

00:28:57.390 --> 00:29:00.390
it was really good to be like, yeah, I introduced

00:29:00.390 --> 00:29:02.049
this new thing to this person and they really

00:29:02.049 --> 00:29:04.490
enjoyed it. That's really good. That's really

00:29:04.490 --> 00:29:07.250
cool. Yeah. And then I didn't see you again for

00:29:07.250 --> 00:29:08.769
two years. And by the time I saw you again, I

00:29:08.769 --> 00:29:12.450
had done a lot of blood play. Yeah, you had very

00:29:12.450 --> 00:29:15.089
much overtaken me in terms of your experience

00:29:15.089 --> 00:29:18.150
since then. Those were our first experiences.

00:29:18.170 --> 00:29:23.029
And then when we got together again, we kept

00:29:23.029 --> 00:29:25.910
doing more of it. Yeah. I've already mentioned

00:29:25.910 --> 00:29:29.829
one of them, but the time we did it, I think

00:29:29.829 --> 00:29:32.390
we'd semi -dextred the room, hadn't we? So we

00:29:32.390 --> 00:29:34.440
had kind of... plastic sheeting everywhere i

00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:36.180
think we just put plastic sheeting on the bed

00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:38.019
for the for the first time we did blood play

00:29:38.019 --> 00:29:40.119
like first time in a relationship that we did

00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:42.299
blood play mix yeah yeah i think because you

00:29:42.299 --> 00:29:45.400
hadn't done it like for a properly big messy

00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:47.859
scene before and i had been just very chill about

00:29:47.859 --> 00:29:49.539
blood getting on things we were a bit like oh

00:29:49.539 --> 00:29:51.859
a sheet on the bed will do yeah yeah so we made

00:29:51.859 --> 00:29:53.819
quite a mess hadn't really considered the amount

00:29:53.819 --> 00:29:56.700
of cast off that there would be um but that was

00:29:56.700 --> 00:29:59.519
definitely an escalation from our very first

00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:02.000
time yeah together obviously you had been doing

00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.200
it for a little while but i i think what was

00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:07.200
really memorable memorable about that was when

00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:08.660
you were covered in blood and then i started

00:30:08.660 --> 00:30:11.380
fucking you from behind yeah like that was and

00:30:11.380 --> 00:30:13.380
i think i could be wrong but i think that might

00:30:13.380 --> 00:30:15.480
be the first time we had sex penetrative sex

00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:17.380
could well be because it was pretty early days

00:30:17.380 --> 00:30:19.519
wasn't it yeah and we didn't get off to a quick

00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:23.720
start with with having sex no uh no your penis

00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:26.900
was a little shy yes And at the time, this was

00:30:26.900 --> 00:30:28.960
well before I got sterilized and before I got

00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:31.059
back on the pill. So we were having to use condoms,

00:30:31.059 --> 00:30:33.259
which didn't help with your penis being shy.

00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:35.539
No. Your penis would be like, oh, maybe I'm ready

00:30:35.539 --> 00:30:37.720
to encounter this unfamiliar hole. And then you're

00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:40.240
like, all right, put a bag over your head. Didn't

00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:43.720
respond the way I do to that threat. No, my penis

00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:49.059
is definitely not into breath play. I think you

00:30:49.059 --> 00:30:51.420
could be right. Yeah, I think the bit of blood

00:30:51.420 --> 00:30:53.900
was what we needed to... Get you through that

00:30:53.900 --> 00:30:57.420
mental block. To wake it up. What a way to have

00:30:57.420 --> 00:30:59.920
as your first time having sex with someone. That's

00:30:59.920 --> 00:31:04.000
fucking great. But as I said, that really stands

00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:06.660
out for me. I don't think I had clocked that

00:31:06.660 --> 00:31:08.839
that was the first time that we'd had sex. So

00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:10.619
I'm going to assume that it is, which just adds

00:31:10.619 --> 00:31:16.299
even more specialness to it. But it was just...

00:31:16.299 --> 00:31:20.480
The blood was everywhere. The sheet that we were

00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:24.289
using was... a mess you already see it splattered

00:31:24.289 --> 00:31:27.670
all over the place on the walls and then i was

00:31:27.670 --> 00:31:31.430
having sex it was just mashed in like everywhere

00:31:31.430 --> 00:31:33.589
we were both absolutely covered in it yeah it

00:31:33.589 --> 00:31:37.450
was like i said before it's that really sort

00:31:37.450 --> 00:31:40.150
of animalistic edge to it which sticks out in

00:31:40.150 --> 00:31:41.990
my head quite a lot yeah i really like that and

00:31:41.990 --> 00:31:43.490
we have done that since we've done that a few

00:31:43.490 --> 00:31:46.009
times but it's always a nice bonus if we get

00:31:46.009 --> 00:31:51.910
to have bloody sex afterwards yes yes but what

00:31:51.910 --> 00:31:53.750
about you what are some of your other memorable

00:31:53.750 --> 00:31:56.910
blood play experiences so all the ones with you

00:31:56.910 --> 00:31:59.069
are amazing but seeing as you were not able to

00:31:59.069 --> 00:32:00.809
share these i want to talk about a couple from

00:32:00.809 --> 00:32:02.970
before i met you yeah well not before i met you

00:32:02.970 --> 00:32:04.509
you introduced me to blood play and then i didn't

00:32:04.509 --> 00:32:06.029
see you for two years and in that time i did

00:32:06.029 --> 00:32:09.829
some shit yes um so one of them was i went on

00:32:09.829 --> 00:32:12.289
a night out with a couple a kinky couple and

00:32:12.289 --> 00:32:14.990
i played with one of them before and we we had

00:32:14.990 --> 00:32:16.529
plans that we were going to play that night including

00:32:16.529 --> 00:32:20.799
some blood play and we did a cnc threesome scene

00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.539
where one of them restrained me while the other

00:32:23.539 --> 00:32:26.400
one did sex things to me while i pretended i

00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:30.059
didn't like it um but as part of that they were

00:32:30.059 --> 00:32:33.799
sort of torturing me with things to get me to

00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:36.519
cooperate so like open your legs or else and

00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:39.220
then something would happen um so that's i mean

00:32:39.220 --> 00:32:42.460
the whole scene was just unhinged um that's where

00:32:42.460 --> 00:32:44.200
the line of scars down between my boobs comes

00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:46.079
from because there's a point of that where every

00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:48.099
time i was uncooperative i got another burned

00:32:48.099 --> 00:32:50.640
down in that line right and i've got a line like

00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:52.059
all the way down my chest that's still there

00:32:52.059 --> 00:32:55.420
now this is best part of four years ago um but

00:32:55.420 --> 00:32:57.720
there was also bloody impact involved and they

00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:59.380
were using the vampire paddle that i bought for

00:32:59.380 --> 00:33:02.319
myself yeah to hit me on my butt and my thighs

00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:04.759
and a little bit on my upper back i think um

00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.519
and it just splattered everywhere because i'd

00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:09.799
had a few drinks i'm not advising that that's

00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:11.900
a good idea to drink and then play with people

00:33:11.900 --> 00:33:13.500
particularly people you don't know super well

00:33:13.950 --> 00:33:15.609
it was early days for me and i was still figuring

00:33:15.609 --> 00:33:17.970
out my my risk profile yeah but if you've been

00:33:17.970 --> 00:33:20.650
drinking your blood gets really thin so it didn't

00:33:20.650 --> 00:33:23.150
take a lot for it to just go everywhere it went

00:33:23.150 --> 00:33:25.150
at least eight feet across the room from the

00:33:25.150 --> 00:33:28.789
back swing on the paddle um and it was again

00:33:28.789 --> 00:33:30.829
that sort of animalistic nature of it when you're

00:33:30.829 --> 00:33:33.390
combining all of this stuff together just felt

00:33:34.059 --> 00:33:36.400
like we were on another planet it was great and

00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:38.599
another one that was really memorable for me

00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:41.799
was a scene that uh me and my ex did with me

00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:44.099
and another person who who we were friends with

00:33:44.099 --> 00:33:46.359
at the time who'd been at a party of ours where

00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:48.720
my ex was taking it in turns cutting both of

00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:52.140
us and cut sort of row of lines across like our

00:33:52.140 --> 00:33:54.339
backs and tummies yeah like alternating between

00:33:54.339 --> 00:33:56.119
us with a clean scalpel for each person and being

00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:58.880
really careful of cross -contamination but like

00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:00.839
it was just really quite chill and quite giggly

00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:04.039
but also Yeah, really quite intense. Quite intense,

00:34:04.380 --> 00:34:08.159
yeah. So those were highlights. I think my favourite

00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:10.159
of ours is the birthday scene that we're going

00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:12.800
to talk about in a little bit. Yes. That and

00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:14.320
our first time having sex being covered in blood.

00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:16.820
Those are the best. Yeah, I would agree. The

00:34:16.820 --> 00:34:19.139
birthday scene is probably my favourite out of

00:34:19.139 --> 00:34:22.179
all of them. But we will talk about that. We

00:34:22.179 --> 00:34:24.559
will. Stick around and find out about the birthday

00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:28.179
scene. The birthday scene. So I wanted to talk

00:34:28.179 --> 00:34:30.739
a little bit about some of the methods of getting

00:34:30.739 --> 00:34:34.719
blood out. Mix. Yes. We've talked a lot about

00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:36.679
spiky impact. I think it's safe to say that's

00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:38.739
our favourite. That's the thing that we do the

00:34:38.739 --> 00:34:41.960
most of within the bloody. Yeah, definitely.

00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:44.619
And we've got quite a lot of stuff to do that

00:34:44.619 --> 00:34:46.820
with. So the vampire paddle that you first hit

00:34:46.820 --> 00:34:48.739
me with is still in our collection. You still

00:34:48.739 --> 00:34:50.840
have that one. Yes, I do. The vampire paddle

00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:52.860
I bought for myself is not because it was considerably

00:34:52.860 --> 00:34:54.840
cheaper. And from getting soaked in my blood

00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:56.820
on a regular basis for two years, by the time

00:34:56.820 --> 00:34:59.619
me and my ex split up, it was in very bad condition.

00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:02.719
Yes. It was really warped and it wasn't designed

00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:04.679
very well. Like you couldn't clean properly under

00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:06.340
the spikes without taking them off, which I didn't

00:35:06.340 --> 00:35:09.840
always do. So they'd got a little bit discoloured.

00:35:10.409 --> 00:35:12.170
So seeing as I was moving in with someone who

00:35:12.170 --> 00:35:14.329
had a vampire paddle, I got rid of it at that

00:35:14.329 --> 00:35:17.150
stage. But yeah, we've got a vampire paddle.

00:35:17.630 --> 00:35:20.289
I went through a phase of attaching those little

00:35:20.289 --> 00:35:22.630
acupressure discs to... anything that i could

00:35:22.630 --> 00:35:25.369
get anything good yeah um so we've got a spatula

00:35:25.369 --> 00:35:27.889
with them on which is horrible because it's so

00:35:27.889 --> 00:35:30.449
light it's really slappy along with the bloodiness

00:35:30.449 --> 00:35:32.730
so that's one where if you're wanting to really

00:35:32.730 --> 00:35:35.250
up the intensity you use that yeah but on the

00:35:35.250 --> 00:35:37.530
flip side it's also a safer toy to use on more

00:35:37.530 --> 00:35:39.329
delicate areas because it's not going to penetrate

00:35:39.329 --> 00:35:41.909
as deep and it's not heavy enough to sort of

00:35:41.909 --> 00:35:44.139
like cause deep bruising and things like that

00:35:44.139 --> 00:35:46.260
yeah so that's really good for my upper back

00:35:46.260 --> 00:35:48.659
and like the backs of my lower legs and backs

00:35:48.659 --> 00:35:50.199
of my arms and things like that you're not going

00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:52.440
to risk causing any damage to the important stuff

00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:54.820
there yeah it's like a really light wooden spatula

00:35:54.820 --> 00:35:58.110
isn't it which yeah added the spikes to and i

00:35:58.110 --> 00:36:00.090
used to have i think this fell apart but i had

00:36:00.090 --> 00:36:02.110
one that i'd made out of piece of canvas board

00:36:02.110 --> 00:36:04.630
that was even lighter i'd cut a strip of canvas

00:36:04.630 --> 00:36:06.409
board and attach some of the spikes to the end

00:36:06.409 --> 00:36:09.210
of it um and that was the time where it was before

00:36:09.210 --> 00:36:10.750
we were living together but i had a camera in

00:36:10.750 --> 00:36:12.869
my bedroom and you were checking in on me on

00:36:12.869 --> 00:36:14.989
the camera and saw me sitting on my bed holding

00:36:14.989 --> 00:36:17.769
the canvas board between my feet and sawing through

00:36:17.769 --> 00:36:20.429
it with the saw directed towards my crotch yes

00:36:20.429 --> 00:36:23.300
and you just thought No, I'm not staying for

00:36:23.300 --> 00:36:29.599
this. I'm not observing this anymore. No. Yeah,

00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:32.420
I think that I think it was a little bit too

00:36:32.420 --> 00:36:35.230
flimsy, wasn't it? Yeah. canvas board wasn't

00:36:35.230 --> 00:36:37.769
sturdy enough to kind of stand up to much. Yeah,

00:36:37.829 --> 00:36:39.590
I think it would work better with something like

00:36:39.590 --> 00:36:41.650
hardboard, like some kind of really thin wood.

00:36:41.730 --> 00:36:43.730
I think the canvas board was too flimsy. Yeah.

00:36:43.750 --> 00:36:45.590
But it was fun while it lasted. Yeah, yeah. But

00:36:45.590 --> 00:36:47.309
the coolest thing I made during that phase was

00:36:47.309 --> 00:36:50.250
the spiked baseball bat. Yes. Which is a baseball

00:36:50.250 --> 00:36:53.530
bat covered in the acupressure discs. Yes. That

00:36:53.530 --> 00:36:56.900
is really quite impressive. Yeah. And it feels

00:36:56.900 --> 00:36:59.079
lovely because that's got a real thud to it as

00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:02.300
well as the warm sensation because I love being

00:37:02.300 --> 00:37:04.260
hit with bats anyway. And that's a really nice,

00:37:04.340 --> 00:37:07.059
I got a really good quality bat for it. And because

00:37:07.059 --> 00:37:09.579
it penetrates so deep, they're still tiny little

00:37:09.579 --> 00:37:10.900
punctures because they're tiny little spikes,

00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:12.639
but they're deep punctures because they're being

00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:16.699
pushed so far down into the fat. So yeah, I love

00:37:16.699 --> 00:37:20.059
that. It's a scene finisher. Yeah, it's a really

00:37:20.059 --> 00:37:21.940
heavy bat, isn't it? So yeah, that's like the

00:37:21.940 --> 00:37:23.920
last thing, generally the last thing we would

00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:27.849
use. Yeah. in a scene. Yeah, because once you

00:37:27.849 --> 00:37:30.090
start getting a lot of blood on the surface of

00:37:30.090 --> 00:37:31.570
the skin, especially once it starts to clot,

00:37:31.710 --> 00:37:34.010
it's really hard to tell what is blood and what

00:37:34.010 --> 00:37:36.510
is punctures. Yeah. So it's hard to monitor how

00:37:36.510 --> 00:37:38.349
much damage you're doing and be safe. So once

00:37:38.349 --> 00:37:40.349
we start playing with the bat, it gets too messy

00:37:40.349 --> 00:37:42.550
to be safe quite fast. Yeah. But as a sort of

00:37:42.550 --> 00:37:44.510
five minute finisher at the end of a scene, it

00:37:44.510 --> 00:37:47.420
is amazing. We've also got a curry comb. Yeah.

00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:48.579
I'm a big fan of that because that makes such

00:37:48.579 --> 00:37:51.300
cool marks. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I kind of

00:37:51.300 --> 00:37:53.019
meant when I was saying earlier on about liking

00:37:53.019 --> 00:37:55.099
the different patterns that they make. So curry

00:37:55.099 --> 00:37:59.340
combs are used for horses. They are for brushing

00:37:59.340 --> 00:38:02.619
like dried crusty mud off horses mix. Yeah. Yeah.

00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:06.619
But it's a series of circular serrated metal,

00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:10.079
which I imagine the horses quite like. yeah um

00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:13.179
but it's good for hitting people with as as well

00:38:13.179 --> 00:38:15.039
but yeah really like the patterns that it makes

00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:16.460
especially if you're kind of in repeatedly in

00:38:16.460 --> 00:38:19.119
the same spot you're kind of making the pattern

00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:22.900
on the on the skin but also it's all it's it's

00:38:22.900 --> 00:38:25.579
fascinating how the blood comes up from that

00:38:25.579 --> 00:38:27.639
like with the acupressure discs it's pretty much

00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:30.789
immediate yeah but with the curry comb it kind

00:38:30.789 --> 00:38:32.369
of builds a little bit it takes a little bit

00:38:32.369 --> 00:38:34.929
longer for it to come up to the surface that's

00:38:34.929 --> 00:38:36.269
cool i didn't realize that because you always

00:38:36.269 --> 00:38:38.769
use it on because it's quite hefty you use it

00:38:38.769 --> 00:38:40.510
on the butt or the back of the thighs so i never

00:38:40.510 --> 00:38:42.829
get to see that until it's done yeah yeah um

00:38:42.829 --> 00:38:46.050
it's one of those it's a little bit like the

00:38:46.050 --> 00:38:48.449
spatula because that's so light and i use it

00:38:48.449 --> 00:38:51.869
on less fleshy parts of your body the the blood

00:38:51.869 --> 00:38:54.860
doesn't come up immediately yeah and it's the

00:38:54.860 --> 00:38:56.599
same with the curry comb you can be hitting with

00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:58.239
it and then not seeing very much and then all

00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:00.380
of a sudden it just starts to kind of bloom out

00:39:00.380 --> 00:39:02.960
of the skin and then you see the patterns that

00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:05.869
you've made with it yeah it's it's good fun to

00:39:05.869 --> 00:39:08.710
use yeah one of the toys that we have that is

00:39:08.710 --> 00:39:11.929
so fancy is we've got a paddle from a maker called

00:39:11.929 --> 00:39:14.849
fetish woodcraft that do like they do some just

00:39:14.849 --> 00:39:17.230
wooden stuff without spikes as well and all of

00:39:17.230 --> 00:39:20.590
their stuff is absolutely gorgeous it's so high

00:39:20.590 --> 00:39:24.070
quality so well polished so pretty like they're

00:39:24.070 --> 00:39:26.409
really beautiful designs uh so we've got one

00:39:26.409 --> 00:39:29.230
of their paddles that has some probably about

00:39:29.230 --> 00:39:31.889
a centimeter maybe slightly over yeah metal spikes

00:39:31.889 --> 00:39:36.039
on it absolutely razor sharp um and it's a very

00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:38.280
lightweight wood and it's got holes drilled through

00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:40.920
it to reduce the the air resistance when you're

00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:43.320
hitting yeah so it's even if you didn't have

00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:45.119
spikes on it like it's got a smooth side to it

00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:46.500
the side where the spikes aren't you can just

00:39:46.500 --> 00:39:48.340
use that as like the nastiest paddle that you

00:39:48.340 --> 00:39:50.860
could possibly hit someone with um but the side

00:39:50.860 --> 00:39:52.559
with the spikes obviously they go pretty deep

00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:56.599
and yeah that's a lot of fun yeah it's just stunning

00:39:56.599 --> 00:40:00.179
isn't it and and i think that's like we leave

00:40:00.179 --> 00:40:03.260
it in the bag and we wash it separately and because

00:40:03.260 --> 00:40:04.780
like when we've done a bloody impact scene we'll

00:40:04.780 --> 00:40:06.639
kind of throw everything in the bath and then

00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:08.619
one of us has a shower and cleans it but that

00:40:08.619 --> 00:40:11.300
one gets special attention yeah very careful

00:40:11.300 --> 00:40:14.400
wipe down um because it was flippin expensive

00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:16.960
yeah it's probably the most expensive toy we

00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:20.219
own yeah yeah yeah but absolutely stunning really

00:40:20.219 --> 00:40:22.199
really beautiful yeah i remember us both looking

00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:23.659
at it and you being because i was looking for

00:40:23.659 --> 00:40:25.820
a present for you and we were looking at things

00:40:25.820 --> 00:40:27.219
and you're like don't get that it's too expensive

00:40:27.820 --> 00:40:29.820
yeah yeah but the rule is that i don't need your

00:40:29.820 --> 00:40:31.679
permission to spend money on you so i simply

00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:35.320
toddled back and got it ignored me and went and

00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:38.539
got it anyway and then i felt bad because you

00:40:38.539 --> 00:40:39.900
were like this is gorgeous and i love it but

00:40:39.900 --> 00:40:41.420
i'm a little bit scared of using it and it stayed

00:40:41.420 --> 00:40:43.000
in the bag for about two months and i was like

00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.099
oh no they weren't saying don't buy it because

00:40:45.099 --> 00:40:46.559
it's expensive they were saying don't buy it

00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:48.239
because they don't want it but you came around

00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:51.730
you just needed some time to process the horror

00:40:51.730 --> 00:40:53.969
that you have been presented with. Yeah, because

00:40:53.969 --> 00:40:56.769
the spikes look huge. They are only a centimetre.

00:40:56.769 --> 00:40:59.349
It's not like they're penetrating right into

00:40:59.349 --> 00:41:03.889
your body kind of thing. But it's quite an intimidating

00:41:03.889 --> 00:41:08.670
thing to wield for the first time. Yeah. Big

00:41:08.670 --> 00:41:10.929
step up from the little acupressure discs. Definitely.

00:41:11.329 --> 00:41:15.469
Yeah, yeah. But it's amazing. It's another one

00:41:15.469 --> 00:41:17.570
that can be a bit of a scene ender though. We

00:41:17.570 --> 00:41:21.039
also have the barbecue cleaning brush. Yes. Which

00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:23.599
is, as an impact toy, for being just hit with

00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:27.000
it, it's not as bad as you might think. It's

00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:28.380
definitely more challenging than some of the

00:41:28.380 --> 00:41:31.179
spiky toys. It's a very sharp, scratchy pain.

00:41:31.460 --> 00:41:34.480
But being hit with it is okay. But you sometimes

00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:37.719
like to brush me with it. Yeah. So this is a

00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:39.639
long -handled brush, and if you think about what

00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.059
a scrubbing brush would look like, but instead

00:41:42.059 --> 00:41:45.139
of having plastic on the end, it's all millimeter

00:41:45.139 --> 00:41:49.719
-ish thick metal. In clumps. So it's properly

00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:53.179
designed for cleaning burnt on stuff on a well

00:41:53.179 --> 00:41:57.179
-used barbecue. Or for scrubbing your pig. Or

00:41:57.179 --> 00:42:03.179
for scrubbing the pig, yeah. And I really like

00:42:03.179 --> 00:42:06.280
scratching you with that. That's always amazing

00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:11.659
fun. Right on my ribs, usually. Yeah, yeah. Doesn't

00:42:11.659 --> 00:42:13.880
usually create a lot of blood. Scratching with

00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:16.460
it doesn't, no. Using it that way. But hitting

00:42:16.460 --> 00:42:18.599
you with it does. Yeah. And again, it makes really

00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:20.860
cool patterns. Yeah, it's almost like a diamondy

00:42:20.860 --> 00:42:23.320
pattern from that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But

00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:24.900
the Fetch Woodcraft one is good for scratching

00:42:24.900 --> 00:42:27.239
as well. Yeah. I've done that a few times. Fairly

00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:29.400
lightly as well. Kind of scratching it over your

00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:31.119
skin. You wouldn't want to press hard and scratch

00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:32.300
with that because it would just start taking

00:42:32.300 --> 00:42:33.880
chunks out of me and then we'd have to go to

00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:37.280
the hospital and explain ourselves. Yeah. But

00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.719
we've got a new one as well that we haven't tried.

00:42:40.299 --> 00:42:42.880
Similar to the barbecue brush. Oh, shit, yeah,

00:42:42.940 --> 00:42:45.099
I forgot. It's another barbecue cleaning brush,

00:42:45.179 --> 00:42:47.219
but a different shape. Yeah, yeah. It looks sort

00:42:47.219 --> 00:42:51.059
of like the things you would use to clean a window

00:42:51.059 --> 00:42:53.500
with, shape -wise. It's like a handle with a

00:42:53.500 --> 00:42:55.980
stick and then a triangle shape of wire. Yeah,

00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:58.420
yeah. But the wire is all wrapped around in these

00:42:58.420 --> 00:43:02.280
thin metal wires sticking out. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:04.139
Oh, we've not tried that yet? No, we should.

00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:06.019
We should try that. It's a similar sort of use,

00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:09.030
I think, either scratchy or hitty. Yeah, both

00:43:09.030 --> 00:43:11.690
of those from Ikea. Yes. We buy a lot of kink

00:43:11.690 --> 00:43:14.369
toys from Ikea. The kitchen section at Ikea is

00:43:14.369 --> 00:43:16.610
where all the good shit is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:16.949 --> 00:43:18.550
There are definitely some perverts working for

00:43:18.550 --> 00:43:22.030
Ikea. Yeah. Well, there was that little... I

00:43:22.030 --> 00:43:24.110
have no idea what it was actually meant to be

00:43:24.110 --> 00:43:27.530
for, but what it is is a wooden... about the

00:43:27.530 --> 00:43:29.349
size of a wooden spoon, but instead of the spoon

00:43:29.349 --> 00:43:32.239
bit, it is a hand shape. Yeah. With a hole in

00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:34.679
the middle. So you've got a hand shape with reduced

00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:36.920
airflow. Yeah. A perfect size to hit someone

00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:39.039
with. What on earth is that for if not smacking

00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:41.179
the shit out of someone? They know what they're

00:43:41.179 --> 00:43:43.579
about. Yeah. They know what half the people wandering

00:43:43.579 --> 00:43:45.460
around Ikea on a Saturday afternoon are really

00:43:45.460 --> 00:43:47.960
doing in the kitchen utensil. There was a video

00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:50.699
about getting kink toys from Ikea that made me

00:43:50.699 --> 00:43:53.639
TikTok famous, Mix. Oh, was it? My first viral

00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:56.199
video was me holding up a bunch of kitchen implements.

00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:59.880
Nice. From Ikea. and like i captioned it something

00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:02.199
like when people say you can't get all your kink

00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:06.239
toys from ikea yeah excellent stuff amazing work

00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:11.179
um is that everything that we've got it's everything

00:44:11.179 --> 00:44:13.340
i can remember right now mix we have got a lot

00:44:13.340 --> 00:44:15.039
of things though that aren't i wouldn't call

00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:17.539
them like bloody impact toys but if you use them

00:44:17.539 --> 00:44:19.860
right can draw blood so the knife steel is one

00:44:19.860 --> 00:44:22.260
because it's got a rough surface if you just

00:44:22.260 --> 00:44:24.099
hit straight down straight up with it it tends

00:44:24.099 --> 00:44:26.559
not to but if you either use it for a long time

00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:28.320
and it sort of breaks the skin down or if you

00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:31.260
kind of hit and drag it will graze yeah we've

00:44:31.260 --> 00:44:33.400
got a little zester That's never actually broken

00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:35.679
the skin on me, but I think if you, if you zested

00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:38.440
me thoroughly enough, it would. Yeah. I feel

00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:40.880
like we've got more. Oh my God. We nearly forgot

00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:42.619
the meat tenderizers. Do they count as bloody?

00:44:42.940 --> 00:44:45.420
Yes. Mix the spiky sides do. Yes, they do. You're

00:44:45.420 --> 00:44:47.519
forgetting they have spiky sides. Yeah. So the

00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:49.940
meat tenderizers have both got a flat side, which

00:44:49.940 --> 00:44:52.219
is really good for just deep thuddy impact, but

00:44:52.219 --> 00:44:54.480
they also have a spiky side. The metal one has

00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:57.449
quite sharp, but quite small. metal spikes on

00:44:57.449 --> 00:45:00.750
it yeah and the uh plastic or rubber one we've

00:45:00.750 --> 00:45:03.809
got has got bigger chunkier blunt spikes but

00:45:03.809 --> 00:45:06.690
both break the skin because the plastic one is

00:45:06.690 --> 00:45:09.429
so heavy even those blunt spikes they're causing

00:45:09.429 --> 00:45:11.150
such uneven pressure to the skin they can break

00:45:11.150 --> 00:45:13.530
the skin which is the other thing like there's

00:45:13.530 --> 00:45:15.329
a lot of ways that people draw blood from impact

00:45:15.329 --> 00:45:17.469
play that aren't using toys that you would expect

00:45:17.469 --> 00:45:19.550
to break the skin at all yeah because if you

00:45:19.550 --> 00:45:21.309
hit someone hard with something quite heavy and

00:45:21.309 --> 00:45:23.869
it's got an uneven surface it's putting that

00:45:23.869 --> 00:45:25.949
pressure on different areas of the skin so we've

00:45:25.949 --> 00:45:27.909
had times obviously a lot of events don't allow

00:45:27.909 --> 00:45:30.030
you to do bloody play or if they do they they

00:45:30.030 --> 00:45:31.829
want you to dex to the room and there's been

00:45:31.829 --> 00:45:33.510
times where we've had to stop a scene at an event

00:45:33.510 --> 00:45:34.849
because you were hitting me with something that

00:45:34.849 --> 00:45:37.050
should not draw blood and suddenly i'm bleeding

00:45:37.050 --> 00:45:39.250
yeah especially because i've got scars on my

00:45:39.250 --> 00:45:42.119
butt from Various perversions. That creates weak

00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:44.119
spots. So if you hit one of those with the corner

00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:47.099
of something, it's going to split. Yeah. The

00:45:47.099 --> 00:45:49.739
Venator as well. Yeah. One of our Venators has

00:45:49.739 --> 00:45:53.300
got like a spiky, like ridged side to it. Yeah.

00:45:53.500 --> 00:45:55.460
The one thing that we forgot was vampire gloves.

00:45:55.780 --> 00:45:58.539
Oh yes, because that's a new purchase. Yes. Oh

00:45:58.539 --> 00:46:02.130
my God, the vampire gloves. the first time we

00:46:02.130 --> 00:46:03.869
played with those you spanked me with them on

00:46:03.869 --> 00:46:06.349
and then fucked me while gripping my hips and

00:46:06.349 --> 00:46:08.670
squeezing and that was my favourite that was

00:46:08.670 --> 00:46:11.150
so good I can't believe I forgot to mention that

00:46:11.150 --> 00:46:12.989
that was so good I want to do that again can

00:46:12.989 --> 00:46:16.769
we do that again Mix? maybe tonight Mix maybe

00:46:17.369 --> 00:46:22.010
Now mix. Fuck the podcast. But yeah, vampire

00:46:22.010 --> 00:46:23.590
gloves for anyone who's not familiar with them.

00:46:23.869 --> 00:46:26.570
It's a pair of, they're generally leather. Ours

00:46:26.570 --> 00:46:29.010
are leather gloves where the palms of the hands

00:46:29.010 --> 00:46:31.250
are covered in little tiny metal spikes. And

00:46:31.250 --> 00:46:33.190
they do tend to be tiny. Like the spikes on ours

00:46:33.190 --> 00:46:35.889
are very, very little. But they don't need to

00:46:35.889 --> 00:46:38.329
be big to work really well because you've got

00:46:38.329 --> 00:46:40.730
so much more fine control with a glove. You can

00:46:40.730 --> 00:46:42.750
really like squeeze. You can spank really hard.

00:46:42.789 --> 00:46:47.480
You can really drive them in. Yes. You could

00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:50.300
finger me. I don't think that would be a good

00:46:50.300 --> 00:46:54.980
idea. Not very rack of us. Not very rack of you,

00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:57.920
no. My abiding memory, however, of using those

00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:00.400
vampire gloves for the first time, because you're

00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:02.599
right, we had sex the first time that we used

00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:06.420
them. So I had the gloves on and I was hitting

00:47:06.420 --> 00:47:09.460
you with these gloves, which I knew were spiked,

00:47:09.500 --> 00:47:12.119
had spikes on them. And then I was maneuvering

00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:16.059
you around and then I went to put my penis in

00:47:16.059 --> 00:47:22.110
you. And I mistakenly decided I'm going to use

00:47:22.110 --> 00:47:25.909
my hand to guide my penis in. Perfectly normal

00:47:25.909 --> 00:47:29.269
thing to do in any other circumstance. But for

00:47:29.269 --> 00:47:34.989
some reason, in my lust, I had forgotten I was

00:47:34.989 --> 00:47:42.449
wearing basically nails on my hand. Grab it and

00:47:42.449 --> 00:47:44.690
give it a good squeeze. Yeah, yeah. It was not

00:47:44.690 --> 00:47:48.889
a fun. It was not a fun experience for me and

00:47:48.889 --> 00:47:51.170
it's just yet another example that I am definitely

00:47:51.170 --> 00:47:53.130
not a masochist because there are some people

00:47:53.130 --> 00:47:54.750
who are listening to this who'd be like, oh yeah,

00:47:54.809 --> 00:47:59.650
that sounds just heavenly. Yes, please. I did

00:47:59.650 --> 00:48:02.469
not enjoy that experience. No, you made quite

00:48:02.469 --> 00:48:07.369
a noise. But it didn't scare your penis off,

00:48:07.550 --> 00:48:10.090
which shows how far we've come from when your

00:48:10.090 --> 00:48:11.969
penis was scared of me. Now it's not even scared

00:48:11.969 --> 00:48:20.300
of vampire gloves. So that's our kit. Yeah. But

00:48:20.300 --> 00:48:23.599
there are other things that people use to get

00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:27.539
blood out. Yeah. So a big one is needles. We

00:48:27.539 --> 00:48:30.539
actually tried some needle stuff recently. We

00:48:30.539 --> 00:48:33.480
did. And this is going to shock everyone. We

00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:36.329
found something I don't like. We did. I was really

00:48:36.329 --> 00:48:38.690
surprised. Yeah, I was really surprised. It has

00:48:38.690 --> 00:48:40.610
been many, many years since I found a kink I

00:48:40.610 --> 00:48:42.630
didn't like. And I'm not writing off needles

00:48:42.630 --> 00:48:45.710
yet, but what we tried, because Mix is a little

00:48:45.710 --> 00:48:49.150
bit wary about placing needles, like the fine

00:48:49.150 --> 00:48:51.610
control needed for placing needles is quite intimidating

00:48:51.610 --> 00:48:55.239
and requires... Not, I think, as much skill as

00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:56.659
people think it does, but definitely requires

00:48:56.659 --> 00:48:59.739
some skill and some being taught. We got chatting

00:48:59.739 --> 00:49:03.199
to the makers behind Spiky Shit, who are definitely

00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:04.519
worth checking out. They make some really cool

00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:08.300
Spiky Shit, about being curious about trying

00:49:08.300 --> 00:49:10.480
needles, but that little bit of fear you had.

00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:13.079
And they recommended a needle paddle that they

00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:15.260
make. Yes. And they said, you know, with this,

00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:16.860
you don't really have to worry about precision.

00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:18.900
You don't really have to worry about precision

00:49:18.900 --> 00:49:20.820
as much. You load the needles into the paddle.

00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:23.739
It's like two pieces of plastic. It comes apart.

00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:25.579
You slot needles into it, put it back together.

00:49:25.820 --> 00:49:27.440
And then you've got a paddle with needles sticking

00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:29.840
out of it. And then you can take it apart, get

00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:31.380
rid of the needles and put fresh ones in. So

00:49:31.380 --> 00:49:33.500
you're not reusing the needles over and over.

00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:36.699
And as long as you're using it on a fleshy area,

00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:38.579
you don't have to worry quite so much about where

00:49:38.579 --> 00:49:40.239
you're placing them. So it's a good way to experience

00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:43.639
needles without having to do needles. Yeah. So

00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:45.619
that seemed like a really good entry point for

00:49:45.619 --> 00:49:50.059
us. Yeah. And you liked it. You found a way to

00:49:50.059 --> 00:49:53.099
enjoy needles. But I fucking hated how it felt.

00:49:53.619 --> 00:49:55.719
And it wasn't just like, oh, it's too intense

00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:57.780
for me. I just didn't like the feeling. There's

00:49:57.780 --> 00:49:59.460
no way of dialing that up or down where I'm going

00:49:59.460 --> 00:50:01.420
to be like, now it's good. I just immediately

00:50:01.420 --> 00:50:06.019
was like, oh, no, no, don't like it. So possibly

00:50:06.019 --> 00:50:08.019
sharps. I mean, I've done staples before and

00:50:08.019 --> 00:50:09.780
I like staples, but possibly needles aren't for

00:50:09.780 --> 00:50:11.539
me or possibly that's just not the way that I

00:50:11.539 --> 00:50:14.280
enjoy needles. More experimentation needed. Yeah.

00:50:14.380 --> 00:50:16.360
But we didn't like that one. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:18.659
I didn't like that one. You did, unfortunately.

00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:23.400
You got two hits with it. Yeah, I enjoyed it

00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:25.860
in that I enjoyed hitting you. And again, it

00:50:25.860 --> 00:50:28.619
was one of those where it was dead interesting

00:50:28.619 --> 00:50:31.840
because you do the hit and then nothing happens.

00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:35.579
Yeah. And then shortly after, the blood starts

00:50:35.579 --> 00:50:38.119
to kind of bloom out of the various holes. Yeah.

00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:43.980
So, yeah, I enjoyed doing that. And the marks

00:50:43.980 --> 00:50:45.880
were beautiful. I wish I could tolerate it because

00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:48.219
it was almost worth it for the marks. Yeah. Because

00:50:48.219 --> 00:50:50.000
at first they were just tiny little red pinpricks.

00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:52.199
But because they're so deep, obviously, we use

00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:53.699
quite short needles, but you're still going a

00:50:53.699 --> 00:50:55.340
lot deeper than any of the other spiky toys we

00:50:55.340 --> 00:50:58.699
use. Yeah. There's a lot of blood like inside

00:50:58.699 --> 00:51:00.860
the wound, basically. And you've got I got these

00:51:00.860 --> 00:51:02.840
beautiful little round bruises around all of

00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:04.719
them. And then after that was mostly healed,

00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.039
we did a thuddy impact scene about a week later.

00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:09.199
And that brought those all back up again. Yeah.

00:51:09.219 --> 00:51:13.679
And it was so cool. But I just. Yeah. Yeah. And

00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:17.940
I think that's valid. It's, you know, 20. What

00:51:17.940 --> 00:51:22.300
kind of needles are they? They were 21 gauge

00:51:22.300 --> 00:51:24.159
and they were a short length. I can't remember

00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:26.599
the length mix, but one of the shorter lengths.

00:51:26.820 --> 00:51:30.679
Yeah, yeah. So I'm not surprised that that was

00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:33.199
intense. I do wonder whether or not filling it

00:51:33.199 --> 00:51:35.559
up as much as we could with needles was maybe

00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:38.699
not the smartest way to start. Because there

00:51:38.699 --> 00:51:43.449
was like 20 in there, wasn't there? Yeah. but

00:51:43.449 --> 00:51:45.949
then again i don't know if if it was deeply unpleasant

00:51:45.949 --> 00:51:47.829
with 20 it might as well have been deeply unpleasant

00:51:47.829 --> 00:51:50.309
with yeah it didn't feel like a kind of sensation

00:51:50.309 --> 00:51:52.230
i would enjoy even if we could turn the intensity

00:51:52.230 --> 00:51:54.989
down and it was one that usually if you hit me

00:51:54.989 --> 00:51:58.349
with something spiky as soon as it's not actively

00:51:58.349 --> 00:52:01.230
hitting me the pain starts to reduce yeah i'm

00:52:01.230 --> 00:52:03.489
still gonna feel that sort of tender warm sunburny

00:52:03.489 --> 00:52:05.869
feeling but it's immediately going down in intensity

00:52:05.869 --> 00:52:09.179
yeah where that the the needle paddle it hurt

00:52:09.179 --> 00:52:11.139
more as you pulled it out and then continued

00:52:11.139 --> 00:52:13.320
to hurt more and more for about 30 seconds afterwards

00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:16.679
yeah and i did not like that no it's it's like

00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:18.400
a pain you can't opt out of which is sometimes

00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:23.440
fun but sometimes not sometimes not yeah no but

00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:25.360
that's not the only way that people can use needles

00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:27.139
is it and we've mentioned a couple of times but

00:52:27.139 --> 00:52:29.860
mark in in the episode that he did with us a

00:52:29.860 --> 00:52:32.119
few weeks ago talks in more detail about how

00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:34.239
you can use needles in different ways and get

00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:36.710
blood out of people yeah or just to inflict the

00:52:36.710 --> 00:52:39.309
sensation and the pain yeah um because needles

00:52:39.309 --> 00:52:42.070
needles don't inherently have to be blood played

00:52:42.070 --> 00:52:44.230
there's generally you can't guarantee you're

00:52:44.230 --> 00:52:45.869
not going to see any blood and we talked about

00:52:45.869 --> 00:52:48.469
this again on mark's episode but a lot of the

00:52:48.469 --> 00:52:50.090
time you're going to see very little blood if

00:52:50.090 --> 00:52:52.469
you're using small needles in areas that don't

00:52:52.469 --> 00:52:54.670
bleed particularly heavily that's not going to

00:52:54.670 --> 00:52:57.190
be the focus but you can use them to make a big

00:52:57.190 --> 00:52:59.250
bloody mess if you want to. Things like needles

00:52:59.250 --> 00:53:02.170
in ears and the scalp tend to be really, really

00:53:02.170 --> 00:53:05.550
big bleeders. Or like using large size needles,

00:53:05.769 --> 00:53:08.889
you'll get a lot of blood. So people choose their

00:53:08.889 --> 00:53:10.989
needles based on whether they want to see a lot

00:53:10.989 --> 00:53:12.289
of blood or they're trying to avoid seeing a

00:53:12.289 --> 00:53:14.989
lot of blood. I have also done quite a lot of

00:53:14.989 --> 00:53:16.570
scalpel play in the past. That's not something

00:53:16.570 --> 00:53:19.150
we've done. No. It's definitely something I'd

00:53:19.150 --> 00:53:20.489
be up for again, but I think that's something,

00:53:20.570 --> 00:53:22.909
again, you're a little bit nervous of how technical

00:53:22.909 --> 00:53:25.849
it is. I think it's probably less the technical.

00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:29.199
of it it's more the delicateness of the touch

00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:35.880
that is required yeah for it that kind of worries

00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:37.840
me a little bit about you know whether would

00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.780
i be too either too heavy -handed or not heavy

00:53:40.780 --> 00:53:43.300
-handed enough yeah and that is the really hard

00:53:43.300 --> 00:53:46.239
thing to get right um because we're talking about

00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:49.840
surgical scalpels so they they are specifically

00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:53.260
designed to be able to cut quite deep yeah because

00:53:53.260 --> 00:53:54.619
if you're going to operate on someone you've

00:53:54.619 --> 00:53:57.769
got to cut quite deep This will probably not

00:53:57.769 --> 00:54:00.190
surprise you at all, given how resilient I am

00:54:00.190 --> 00:54:02.750
in various ways. My skin is unusually tough and

00:54:02.750 --> 00:54:04.389
it's actually quite hard to cut me with a scalpel.

00:54:04.510 --> 00:54:07.329
Found this out when me and Hope were together.

00:54:07.369 --> 00:54:09.369
She'd done scalpel play before and I was curious

00:54:09.369 --> 00:54:12.929
about it. So we gave it a go. And she said exactly

00:54:12.929 --> 00:54:14.510
what you just said there. You need a really light

00:54:14.510 --> 00:54:16.730
touch for it. So she was barely putting any pressure

00:54:16.730 --> 00:54:19.150
on it first. And it does take a minute for blood

00:54:19.150 --> 00:54:20.510
to come up when you're cut with a scalpel. So

00:54:20.510 --> 00:54:21.789
she sort of dragged it across me and was looking

00:54:21.789 --> 00:54:23.150
at it. It was like, it'll come up in a second.

00:54:23.590 --> 00:54:25.739
It'll come up in a second. She was like, hmm,

00:54:25.860 --> 00:54:27.340
maybe I didn't put quite enough pressure on.

00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:29.079
Did another one with slightly more pressure.

00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:32.019
Was looking at it again like, where is your blood?

00:54:34.659 --> 00:54:37.480
And it ended up turning out that with the scalpels

00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:40.139
that we had, she had to put... quite a lot of

00:54:40.139 --> 00:54:42.099
really quite firm pressure on to get through

00:54:42.099 --> 00:54:44.119
the skin and we ended up changing to a different

00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:46.980
shape scalpel blade yeah um and found that that

00:54:46.980 --> 00:54:48.960
worked a little better but still apparently i

00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:51.280
need two or three times the pressure that that

00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:54.000
most people do right to get a decent cut right

00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:56.039
that doesn't surprise me at all knowing you nuts

00:54:56.039 --> 00:55:03.019
yeah no um just fucking wolverine over here um

00:55:03.019 --> 00:55:05.119
but no it's something that i am kind of interested

00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:07.420
in and fascinated by and i enjoy seeing it when

00:55:07.420 --> 00:55:12.590
i see it um but yeah it's just it makes makes

00:55:12.590 --> 00:55:14.469
me a little bit nervous yeah it's something to

00:55:14.469 --> 00:55:17.590
do a lot of reading and attend classes if you

00:55:17.590 --> 00:55:18.809
can if it's something that you're interested

00:55:18.809 --> 00:55:21.349
in because my experience of being quite hard

00:55:21.349 --> 00:55:23.929
to cut is not typical scalpels usually you you

00:55:23.929 --> 00:55:25.630
barely push them against someone's skin and you

00:55:25.630 --> 00:55:29.809
break it yeah um And even with me, once you push

00:55:29.809 --> 00:55:31.250
hard enough to get it through the skin, it then

00:55:31.250 --> 00:55:32.650
doesn't take a lot more pressure for it to go

00:55:32.650 --> 00:55:34.570
deeper than you wanted it to. Yeah. So you still

00:55:34.570 --> 00:55:36.570
have to be really consistent with your pressure.

00:55:36.570 --> 00:55:38.010
Once you find the right pressure, you can't be

00:55:38.010 --> 00:55:39.809
sort of leaning on and off it. Yeah. Because

00:55:39.809 --> 00:55:43.369
that's where issues happen. Yeah, yeah. And I've

00:55:43.369 --> 00:55:45.769
definitely had scenes that I've done where nothing

00:55:45.769 --> 00:55:48.070
went wrong. Like, this is a problem and I need

00:55:48.070 --> 00:55:50.690
to seek medical attention. But where we've had

00:55:50.690 --> 00:55:53.170
to pause playing to grab some SteriStrips and...

00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:55.239
have a little look at it and make sure that things

00:55:55.239 --> 00:55:57.480
were okay before we did anything else yeah because

00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:00.059
it's not unless you are a surgeon you're not

00:56:00.059 --> 00:56:02.820
going to be 100 perfect with it yeah and even

00:56:02.820 --> 00:56:04.420
if you are i don't know probably surgeons aren't

00:56:04.420 --> 00:56:07.440
either no probably not but another thing that

00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:10.579
you mentioned earlier on was period sex yeah

00:56:10.579 --> 00:56:16.480
um which like is it blood play is it not you

00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:18.860
are playing with blood i suppose i think it's

00:56:18.860 --> 00:56:21.260
it's definitely about the intention for me if

00:56:21.260 --> 00:56:23.360
you are just horny and on your period and you

00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:25.880
just chuck a towel a towel down yeah i wouldn't

00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:27.659
necessarily say that's blood play if you're trying

00:56:27.659 --> 00:56:29.900
to ignore it rather than actively play with it

00:56:29.900 --> 00:56:32.519
yeah the blood just happens to be there yeah

00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:35.500
um but if that's part of the point for you which

00:56:35.500 --> 00:56:37.980
it definitely is for me with period sex yeah

00:56:37.980 --> 00:56:40.579
i still get a little bit of dysphoria around

00:56:40.579 --> 00:56:42.440
my period and i think that's part of it for me

00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:44.420
is the sort of humiliation the discomfort it's

00:56:44.420 --> 00:56:46.449
like look at what your body's doing yeah look

00:56:46.449 --> 00:56:49.769
at it um there's something always exciting about

00:56:49.769 --> 00:56:51.750
seeing blood for me so that's part of it and

00:56:51.750 --> 00:56:53.690
something about kind of feeling a bit gross you

00:56:53.690 --> 00:56:55.309
know there's a lot of stigma around period sex

00:56:55.309 --> 00:56:57.829
yeah so that is something that i find quite fun

00:56:57.829 --> 00:57:00.690
so for me it definitely counts as it counts as

00:57:00.690 --> 00:57:03.250
something anyway it's not just sex and this is

00:57:03.250 --> 00:57:05.300
something we're definitely i've got we're in

00:57:05.300 --> 00:57:07.079
the early stages of planning an episode all about

00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:09.760
like period play period sex attitudes to that

00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:12.199
and stuff right so we're not gonna dive too deep

00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:13.699
into it today because we want to save something

00:57:13.699 --> 00:57:15.699
for that episode yeah but i did just want to

00:57:15.699 --> 00:57:17.579
touch on it's so interesting you introduced me

00:57:17.579 --> 00:57:19.980
to blood play yeah but i introduced you to that

00:57:19.980 --> 00:57:23.079
blood play yes you did because you were very

00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:24.900
much like no no when you're on your period you

00:57:24.900 --> 00:57:27.000
get a hot water bottle and some chocolates and

00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:28.780
you sit down and i do not bother you with my

00:57:28.780 --> 00:57:31.599
penis yeah and i was like But you could bother

00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:36.719
me with your business. Yeah, yeah. But that's

00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:39.559
because that's what I've been taught. Yeah. Is

00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:43.019
what you do. Yeah. Very respectful of you. I

00:57:43.019 --> 00:57:45.280
just don't like to be respected. Yeah, true.

00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:48.840
That's a fair point. So we've mentioned a couple

00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:51.360
of times that we did a special scene for my birthday

00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:52.760
this year, Mick. Do you want to tell us about

00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:58.539
it? Yes, we did. It was amazing. So we were on

00:57:58.539 --> 00:58:01.889
our way to an event down in Birmingham. It's

00:58:01.889 --> 00:58:04.110
an event that we go to semi -regularly. Yeah,

00:58:04.210 --> 00:58:06.050
when we can get there, it's quite a trek. It

00:58:06.050 --> 00:58:08.110
is quite a trek. Requires at least one overnight

00:58:08.110 --> 00:58:11.389
stay. A Premier Inn breakfast. Oh, yes. Big up

00:58:11.389 --> 00:58:14.969
the Premier Inn. Sponsor us, please. Sponsor

00:58:14.969 --> 00:58:16.610
us with breakfast. With breakfast. Yeah, free

00:58:16.610 --> 00:58:22.170
breakfast. But one of the really cool... So this

00:58:22.170 --> 00:58:25.250
event is one where essentially you can do anything

00:58:25.250 --> 00:58:29.269
you want. with with very few exceptions very

00:58:29.269 --> 00:58:31.730
permissive event which is which is really great

00:58:31.730 --> 00:58:33.989
and one of the things that they offer to people

00:58:33.989 --> 00:58:39.849
who go is um the murder cube yes um which is

00:58:39.849 --> 00:58:42.650
an amazing name for it but it's basically a gazebo

00:58:42.650 --> 00:58:45.289
with loads of plastic sheeting around it where

00:58:45.289 --> 00:58:48.150
you can do um blood plate so they set it up in

00:58:48.150 --> 00:58:50.409
one of the rooms that they've got it's it's it's

00:58:50.409 --> 00:58:52.469
see -through plastic so people can see what you're

00:58:52.469 --> 00:58:54.570
doing but you can go into the murder cube and

00:58:54.570 --> 00:58:57.250
you can do as much bloody stuff as you want and

00:58:57.250 --> 00:58:58.989
all they ask is that you clean up a little bit

00:58:58.989 --> 00:59:01.889
afterwards and we've wanted to do that like the

00:59:01.889 --> 00:59:04.429
previous couple of times we've gone but it's

00:59:04.429 --> 00:59:06.429
always been oh shit we should have asked for

00:59:06.429 --> 00:59:08.150
the murder cube to be set up because you have

00:59:08.150 --> 00:59:09.809
to book the murder you have to book them because

00:59:09.809 --> 00:59:11.369
they don't just set it up automatically they

00:59:11.369 --> 00:59:14.150
kind of do it on demand so we wanted to do a

00:59:14.150 --> 00:59:16.050
bloody impact scene so we reached out to them

00:59:16.050 --> 00:59:17.650
they said yes we will set up the murder queue

00:59:17.650 --> 00:59:24.010
for you brilliant and we essentially took almost

00:59:24.010 --> 00:59:28.070
all of our spiky things in a big bag and the

00:59:28.070 --> 00:59:31.349
intention was to hit you as many times as I could

00:59:31.349 --> 00:59:36.670
in as many places as I could with all of those

00:59:36.670 --> 00:59:39.250
those bloody things i can't remember which of

00:59:39.250 --> 00:59:41.409
us ended up coming up with the idea that because

00:59:41.409 --> 00:59:44.130
i was turning 36 it would be 36 hits with each

00:59:44.130 --> 00:59:46.590
thing because that wasn't when we booked the

00:59:46.590 --> 00:59:48.190
murder cube that wasn't the plan but sometime

00:59:48.190 --> 00:59:51.010
before we left it became the plan yeah yeah i

00:59:51.010 --> 00:59:52.889
would love to take credit for that but it is

00:59:52.889 --> 00:59:54.909
also the kind of thing that you would say Yeah.

00:59:56.289 --> 00:59:58.710
Could easily have been either of us. But it wasn't

00:59:58.710 --> 01:00:01.510
just like a free form beating, was it? We talked

01:00:01.510 --> 01:00:04.230
through it in quite a bit of detail because you've

01:00:04.230 --> 01:00:05.969
got the different things that we've got do different

01:00:05.969 --> 01:00:07.949
things. They're different weights. They're different

01:00:07.949 --> 01:00:11.889
sized spikes on them. So we went through quite

01:00:11.889 --> 01:00:15.289
a bit of discussion about what would be appropriate

01:00:15.289 --> 01:00:18.769
to use on which part of your body. Yeah. You

01:00:18.769 --> 01:00:21.030
asked me a lot for my input on that. And it's

01:00:21.030 --> 01:00:22.929
not that you don't know what's safe to use where.

01:00:23.949 --> 01:00:25.989
it's that there's sort of an order of preference

01:00:25.989 --> 01:00:28.809
or an order of risk for all of them and it wasn't

01:00:28.809 --> 01:00:31.409
just a case of okay so this this and this can

01:00:31.409 --> 01:00:34.309
be used on your back and everything can be used

01:00:34.309 --> 01:00:36.809
on your butt we had to pick one toy per area

01:00:36.809 --> 01:00:39.130
yeah so it was figuring out not just which were

01:00:39.130 --> 01:00:41.130
okay for each area but which were the best ones

01:00:41.130 --> 01:00:42.849
for each area and making sure that we didn't

01:00:42.849 --> 01:00:44.730
end up with an area left and a toy left that

01:00:44.730 --> 01:00:47.190
didn't go together yeah so that was a lot of

01:00:47.190 --> 01:00:49.969
the sort of strategizing on the way down so it

01:00:49.969 --> 01:00:51.570
was a little bit like a jigsaw wasn't it kind

01:00:51.570 --> 01:00:55.469
of working out where to where to use what um

01:00:55.469 --> 01:01:01.429
you just wanted to be a bloody mess by the end

01:01:01.429 --> 01:01:04.949
of it yes mix um And I think we did a pretty

01:01:04.949 --> 01:01:09.789
good job. We did an excellent job. Like I say,

01:01:09.849 --> 01:01:12.190
on the drive down, we kind of talked it through

01:01:12.190 --> 01:01:13.889
in quite a bit of detail. And I made some notes

01:01:13.889 --> 01:01:16.909
when we got to the hotel. Made sure I took a

01:01:16.909 --> 01:01:18.809
pen with me so I could cross off the things that

01:01:18.809 --> 01:01:22.849
we'd done. But we managed to kind of cover, I

01:01:22.849 --> 01:01:25.590
think, all around your thighs. So front of your

01:01:25.590 --> 01:01:29.250
thighs, back of your thighs, outer and inside

01:01:29.250 --> 01:01:31.550
of your thighs. With different toys. Did your

01:01:31.550 --> 01:01:39.079
butt. Obviously, because obviously. We did your

01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:41.699
shoulders and the tops of your arms. A little

01:01:41.699 --> 01:01:43.400
bit on the tops of my arms, but I made a giant

01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:46.460
fuss about it. So it was the same toy for my

01:01:46.460 --> 01:01:48.860
upper back and tops of arms, but you mostly focused

01:01:48.860 --> 01:01:51.119
on my upper back because I was hootling and fussing

01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:53.579
most severely. Yeah. I have your notes here.

01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:56.940
So you used the barbecue brush. You had noted

01:01:56.940 --> 01:01:58.559
that you could use it for scratching my back,

01:01:58.579 --> 01:02:00.340
but you didn't. You used that on my inner thighs.

01:02:01.019 --> 01:02:03.639
You used the spatula on my back and a little

01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:06.579
bit of tops of the arms. You used the vampire

01:02:06.579 --> 01:02:09.400
paddle on the outer part of my butt, sort of

01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:12.539
like the curve over onto my hip. You used the

01:02:12.539 --> 01:02:17.039
curry comb on the outsides of my thighs. Yep.

01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:20.219
You used the fetish woodcraft paddle. On the

01:02:20.219 --> 01:02:23.039
front of my thighs. And you used the baseball

01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:25.559
bat with spikes to finish with on my butt. Yes,

01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:27.539
I did. On the main meat of my butt. On the main

01:02:27.539 --> 01:02:30.360
meat of your... Which is pretty much the only

01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:32.280
place you can use that because it's so heavy.

01:02:32.380 --> 01:02:34.280
I've got a big butt. You can swing it hard. Yeah.

01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:37.480
You've got a juicy butt. Because a scratcher

01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:39.300
wouldn't have been very... Using it as a scratcher

01:02:39.300 --> 01:02:40.659
wouldn't have produced a lot of blood. And I

01:02:40.659 --> 01:02:44.219
wanted to produce a lot of blood. Yes. And I

01:02:44.219 --> 01:02:48.960
did. You did. I did. So we used 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,

01:02:48.980 --> 01:02:53.519
6 different things, 36 times with each thing.

01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:56.739
That is a ridiculous number of times being hit.

01:02:57.059 --> 01:02:58.599
I'm going to get my calculator. It's not maths

01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:02.260
that I can do. I think 720. 36 times 6, 216.

01:03:02.659 --> 01:03:04.940
216. Why did I think it was 720? Because you're

01:03:04.940 --> 01:03:06.239
not good at maths. Because I'm not very good

01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:11.579
at maths. No. But that is a lot of time to be

01:03:11.579 --> 01:03:16.030
punctured. It is. And you made me count them

01:03:16.030 --> 01:03:18.250
as well, which was super hard. Yes, I did. Yes,

01:03:18.309 --> 01:03:21.719
I did. That was a fun thing to... to do yeah

01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:24.659
and gathered quite an audience as well yeah which

01:03:24.659 --> 01:03:26.280
i don't think you were prepared for because we've

01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:28.659
played at that event a lot and we don't tend

01:03:28.659 --> 01:03:31.119
to play very much in the sort of the the main

01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:33.079
there's a lot of play spaces in the main bar

01:03:33.079 --> 01:03:35.320
area where people tend to gather you tend not

01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:37.539
to want to play there so we go into one of the

01:03:37.539 --> 01:03:39.739
various dungeon rooms or the other little side

01:03:39.739 --> 01:03:41.940
rooms there are yeah people at that event don't

01:03:41.940 --> 01:03:43.639
seem to wander around and stand in doorways very

01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:45.360
much so if you pick one of the smaller rooms

01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:47.280
People maybe stick their head in every now and

01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:49.280
again, but you don't gather a crowd. Yeah. The

01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:51.619
murder cube is obviously a crowd pleaser. And

01:03:51.619 --> 01:03:53.619
we knew a couple of people who were there. Yes.

01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:55.599
And they were excited to see us play. And when

01:03:55.599 --> 01:03:57.519
we told them what we were doing, they obviously

01:03:57.519 --> 01:03:59.059
knew a lot of other people at the event and have

01:03:59.059 --> 01:04:00.619
gone around rounding people up being like, you

01:04:00.619 --> 01:04:03.260
got to see this. You want to come see this. So

01:04:03.260 --> 01:04:06.760
we had probably eight to 10 people all sitting

01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:10.340
on a sofa across from us watching. Yeah. Because

01:04:10.340 --> 01:04:12.099
it was in the area because they have an area

01:04:12.099 --> 01:04:14.440
set up specifically for sharps play, don't they?

01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:16.239
Yeah. So I think I assumed it would be pretty

01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:18.900
quiet. Yeah. Because it usually is pretty chill

01:04:18.900 --> 01:04:20.579
up there. So I thought, yeah, it might be a couple

01:04:20.579 --> 01:04:22.920
of people. The two people that we knew would

01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:25.119
come along. But yeah, there was quite a crowd

01:04:25.119 --> 01:04:28.300
for it. And they seemed to enjoy it, which was

01:04:28.300 --> 01:04:30.039
always nice. But yeah, it is a little bit nerve

01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:33.159
wracking being observed doing that sort of thing.

01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:37.179
I still have this fear that especially an event

01:04:37.179 --> 01:04:40.000
like that. where it is very much targeted at

01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:42.900
what people would usually describe as kind of

01:04:42.900 --> 01:04:46.159
heavy players or edge players, I still have this

01:04:46.159 --> 01:04:48.760
worry that I'm going to be exposed as a charlatan.

01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:52.539
Yeah. You're not doing that right. Stop doing

01:04:52.539 --> 01:04:57.599
it and leave. I still have that worry in the

01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:00.599
back of my head when there's a bit of a crowd,

01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:05.239
especially people that I don't know. But that

01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:08.329
didn't happen, so that's nice. I was allowed

01:05:08.329 --> 01:05:11.949
to stay. And they liked it, yeah. And people

01:05:11.949 --> 01:05:14.750
enjoyed it. But it was quite a fun, it was very

01:05:14.750 --> 01:05:18.030
mean. I was going to say it was quite a fun scene.

01:05:18.170 --> 01:05:20.650
I'm not sure you would describe all of it as

01:05:20.650 --> 01:05:23.730
being a fun experience. I would still describe

01:05:23.730 --> 01:05:25.809
it as fun. It was very lighthearted and very

01:05:25.809 --> 01:05:28.150
giggly. And a lot of it was stuff that I really

01:05:28.150 --> 01:05:29.989
physically enjoyed. Some of it you were definitely

01:05:29.989 --> 01:05:33.349
pushing me pretty hard, which I like. So yeah,

01:05:33.389 --> 01:05:35.570
there were times when I was very hootly and wriggly.

01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:39.039
few tears i think but yeah all in the ways that

01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:42.320
i enjoy and it had peaks and troughs there were

01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:44.139
some areas of my body and some toys that were

01:05:44.139 --> 01:05:46.780
which is nice especially like finishing off with

01:05:46.780 --> 01:05:49.159
the bat i was just like oh yes some of the really

01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:54.579
mean stuff you've done oh yes yeah and i going

01:05:54.579 --> 01:05:56.559
back to the audience thing i think that was quite

01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:59.179
fun as well because i i kind of got everything

01:05:59.179 --> 01:06:01.880
out We went into the murder queue, got all of

01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:04.300
the things out of the bag and lined them up.

01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:06.219
But I don't think people had necessarily seen

01:06:06.219 --> 01:06:11.840
everything. Yeah. Or not kind of paid close attention

01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:16.360
to it. So when we got to the end and I was getting

01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:19.400
ready to use a baseball bat, I picked it up and

01:06:19.400 --> 01:06:23.980
there was this like, ooh. Yeah. From the people

01:06:23.980 --> 01:06:26.559
who were watching, which was really nice. Yeah.

01:06:26.619 --> 01:06:34.150
It's like, holy shit. That's so cool. But it

01:06:34.150 --> 01:06:35.809
was great. It's such a good thing for them to

01:06:35.809 --> 01:06:40.010
organise as well. A lot of the events that we've

01:06:40.010 --> 01:06:42.309
been to wouldn't entertain that sort of thing.

01:06:42.789 --> 01:06:44.369
Yeah, there's a lot of events that don't allow

01:06:44.369 --> 01:06:47.449
blood at all. And a lot that do are like, yes,

01:06:47.449 --> 01:06:49.889
but bring your own set up. So if you're willing

01:06:49.889 --> 01:06:51.809
to spend half an hour dexter in one of their

01:06:51.809 --> 01:06:53.889
rooms, you can do it there. But they're not going

01:06:53.889 --> 01:06:55.469
to do it, which is fair enough. So it's really

01:06:55.469 --> 01:06:57.889
nice that they accommodate like that. Yeah, yeah.

01:06:58.269 --> 01:06:59.989
because there was that other event that we went

01:06:59.989 --> 01:07:01.809
to where we thought about doing some blood play

01:07:01.809 --> 01:07:05.130
and then we got there and thought we cannot we

01:07:05.130 --> 01:07:09.070
cannot dexter this space yeah we cannot there's

01:07:09.070 --> 01:07:11.550
no way that we'd be able to create a space where

01:07:11.550 --> 01:07:12.750
we're not just going to get blood everywhere

01:07:12.750 --> 01:07:15.150
yeah and that event does allow blood play but

01:07:15.150 --> 01:07:16.590
i think they're more thinking of things like

01:07:16.590 --> 01:07:18.389
needles and scalpels where you just put down

01:07:18.389 --> 01:07:21.210
a plastic sheet and you sit on it and do stuff

01:07:21.210 --> 01:07:23.590
yeah um because we'd sort of cleared with them

01:07:23.590 --> 01:07:24.969
we could do some blood play and that yeah yeah

01:07:24.969 --> 01:07:26.769
yeah and then when we got there we were chatting

01:07:26.769 --> 01:07:28.960
to the organizer and saying like i'm not sure

01:07:28.960 --> 01:07:31.539
we could properly dexter this space and she was

01:07:31.539 --> 01:07:33.079
like oh yeah no i don't think you could do that

01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:36.840
yeah no so it's it's allowed but if you can work

01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:39.440
with the limitations of the space yeah yeah yeah

01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:42.099
and it's an amazing space yeah really really

01:07:42.099 --> 01:07:45.840
really nice yeah um venue and you can but you

01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:48.199
can understand why they don't want people swinging

01:07:48.199 --> 01:07:50.800
bloody baseball bats around in their really nicely

01:07:50.800 --> 01:07:55.980
appointed and decorated dungeon um so we had

01:07:55.980 --> 01:08:01.179
a great time And then you died, essentially.

01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:04.380
Yeah. Took me back to the hotel, filled me full

01:08:04.380 --> 01:08:08.059
of pizza. And I lay and sort of like deliriously

01:08:08.059 --> 01:08:10.420
chunted at you for a bit. Yeah, yeah. Because

01:08:10.420 --> 01:08:11.880
we didn't do anything after that, did we? We

01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:14.659
did a little bit of a warm -up impact beforehand

01:08:14.659 --> 01:08:17.560
so that you weren't going into it completely

01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:19.560
cold. Yeah. And because it was my birthday, you

01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:21.100
treated me and we did the warm -up on the dance

01:08:21.100 --> 01:08:23.439
floor, which is where I like to play best. Because

01:08:23.439 --> 01:08:26.640
I do like an audience. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

01:08:28.360 --> 01:08:31.539
Although there wasn't loads of people. No. It

01:08:31.539 --> 01:08:34.380
wasn't massively busy at that time, which I think

01:08:34.380 --> 01:08:38.319
probably helped. Yeah. Because it's huge, isn't

01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:40.880
it? Even if there's a lot of people there, that

01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:43.079
venue is massive. Yeah, people, once they all

01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:45.060
start going to play, they spread right out. So

01:08:45.060 --> 01:08:47.319
it can feel quite empty, even if there's like

01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:49.840
50 odd people there. So yeah, I had a great time.

01:08:49.939 --> 01:08:53.000
That was your birthday treat, was to get hit.

01:08:53.430 --> 01:08:55.090
How many? 30 times? I've closed my calculator

01:08:55.090 --> 01:08:57.550
now. 200 and something mix. Yeah, and bleeding

01:08:57.550 --> 01:08:59.550
all over the place. I really enjoyed it. I really

01:08:59.550 --> 01:09:02.449
liked the, it's not quite mad science, but that

01:09:02.449 --> 01:09:05.630
deliberately deciding to use particular things

01:09:05.630 --> 01:09:07.989
on particular parts of your body, partly because

01:09:07.989 --> 01:09:10.949
it's safe for what we were doing, but also thinking

01:09:10.949 --> 01:09:13.289
about the effect that it will have on you. Oh

01:09:13.289 --> 01:09:15.090
yes, if I hit you there with this, then that

01:09:15.090 --> 01:09:17.010
will definitely draw a lot of blood or it will

01:09:17.010 --> 01:09:19.289
draw interesting blood. I really enjoyed doing

01:09:19.289 --> 01:09:22.180
that. 10 out of 10 would recommend to a friend.

01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:26.699
Well, how about you? How did you feel about it?

01:09:26.899 --> 01:09:28.340
I really liked it. It makes it was a brilliant

01:09:28.340 --> 01:09:31.180
birthday. Yeah. Just all of it. Like I always

01:09:31.180 --> 01:09:33.220
get really excited about you taking me a place

01:09:33.220 --> 01:09:35.979
for my birthday. and we we had this last year

01:09:35.979 --> 01:09:38.100
where you took me to the same event and yeah

01:09:38.100 --> 01:09:40.619
the same premiere and and i got really emotional

01:09:40.619 --> 01:09:42.600
at breakfast on the last day like oh my god i

01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:44.159
can't believe you took me away for my birthday

01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:46.739
and paid for a hotel and paid for me to go to

01:09:46.739 --> 01:09:48.140
the event and all of this stuff and you're like

01:09:48.140 --> 01:09:50.300
yeah it's your birthday that's normal and i was

01:09:50.300 --> 01:09:52.720
like no you don't understand it's so good um

01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:55.560
and i was i don't think i cried this time apart

01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:58.300
from when you were hitting me um but uh but i

01:09:58.300 --> 01:10:00.539
felt the same way it's like i don't know i have

01:10:00.539 --> 01:10:02.159
i have not been in the position in relationships

01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:05.079
before to feel really spoiled by a partner and

01:10:05.079 --> 01:10:06.939
that's not like i'm not saying that in a shady

01:10:06.939 --> 01:10:09.060
way most of my relationships i've been the the

01:10:09.060 --> 01:10:12.279
main earner yeah so that's the way that that

01:10:12.279 --> 01:10:13.939
that worked is that i was the one who could do

01:10:13.939 --> 01:10:15.359
the spoiling and i really like doing that too

01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:17.840
so i've never been mad about it but i didn't

01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:19.479
really know that that was a thing that i was

01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:22.699
missing until I was able to experience it and

01:10:22.699 --> 01:10:29.600
it's really nice. Yeah, I understand that. And

01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:32.800
if that's not been your experience, then it is

01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:36.199
what it is. I just think it makes me chuckle

01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:39.420
a little bit because it's like, yeah, I'm taking

01:10:39.420 --> 01:10:43.579
you away, booking a hotel and going to an event.

01:10:43.699 --> 01:10:48.300
And last year we went to the BBB as well, the

01:10:48.300 --> 01:10:52.180
Birmingham Bazaar Bazaar. Yeah. uh as well but

01:10:52.180 --> 01:10:53.960
like last year when you were getting emotional

01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:56.039
at breakfast i was like it's a premiere in it

01:10:56.039 --> 01:11:00.560
like it's not all that you know i genuinely love

01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:02.640
a premiere in breakfast like we joke about it

01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:05.560
i it is the best place for breakfast for me and

01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:07.359
for many years of my life i could not afford

01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:10.800
a premiere in breakfast yeah like it's i don't

01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:12.840
ever take things for granted especially when

01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:15.880
someone's doing a nice thing for me but but opportunities

01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:18.000
that i have in life that i didn't used to have

01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:20.880
i'm always very glad to have Yeah. No, I get

01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:23.560
that. I get that. Sorry, I wasn't trying to minimise

01:11:23.560 --> 01:11:27.520
your feelings about it. It was just from my perspective,

01:11:27.640 --> 01:11:31.520
it's like, it's a premiere inn. I know. It's

01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:34.380
not that flash. Yeah. So yes, that was our bloody

01:11:34.380 --> 01:11:36.960
birthday adventure. Yes. And it was a great time.

01:11:37.920 --> 01:11:40.920
Yes. So we should probably talk about some safety

01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:43.520
stuff. yeah probably be a bit rack of us for

01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:45.020
once yeah probably should have started there

01:11:45.020 --> 01:11:48.260
no it's good because at the end like this is

01:11:48.260 --> 01:11:50.399
the point where if people have never like me

01:11:50.399 --> 01:11:52.319
the first time i met you didn't know such a thing

01:11:52.319 --> 01:11:55.180
could be done yes and now after an hour an hour

01:11:55.180 --> 01:11:57.399
and a half whatever it's been been like oh that

01:11:57.399 --> 01:11:59.420
is a thing that could be done i'm gonna do this

01:11:59.420 --> 01:12:01.640
now is the point where we hit them with the information

01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:05.060
that is true so as we always say Don't just learn

01:12:05.060 --> 01:12:07.000
from us. If you want to try anything that we

01:12:07.000 --> 01:12:09.199
talk about on this podcast, I recommend classes.

01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:11.920
I recommend looking up professional kink educators.

01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:14.119
I recommend learning from multiple sources. That's

01:12:14.119 --> 01:12:16.500
always your first safety tip for anything. Yes.

01:12:16.539 --> 01:12:18.199
Because we will have blind spots. We will have

01:12:18.199 --> 01:12:21.020
things that we don't know or have chosen to take

01:12:21.020 --> 01:12:23.199
an informed risk with and learning from people

01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:24.899
who do things in different ways will teach you

01:12:24.899 --> 01:12:28.140
different things. Yes. So a big one is infection

01:12:28.140 --> 01:12:30.800
risk. And that's both blood -borne viruses. When

01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:32.560
your blood comes out, other people are going

01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:34.220
to potentially be exposed to it. And if you've

01:12:34.220 --> 01:12:36.619
got something, they can get it. But also just

01:12:36.619 --> 01:12:38.659
like normal infections. So if you're breaking

01:12:38.659 --> 01:12:41.189
the skin. there's a risk of any kind of bacteria

01:12:41.189 --> 01:12:43.050
in the environment can then enter your skin,

01:12:43.109 --> 01:12:45.210
whether that's from the toys, the furniture you're

01:12:45.210 --> 01:12:47.510
sitting on, from your partner, you could get

01:12:47.510 --> 01:12:50.170
infections. All of the stuff that we've talked

01:12:50.170 --> 01:12:51.970
about, even the stuff I was talking about that

01:12:51.970 --> 01:12:53.909
I did with my ex -partner with cutting, it's

01:12:53.909 --> 01:12:56.489
very superficial and quite small wounds. You're

01:12:56.489 --> 01:13:00.750
not actually getting dissected. So that reduces

01:13:00.750 --> 01:13:02.770
that risk somewhat if you've got a healthy immune

01:13:02.770 --> 01:13:04.729
system and you allow it to bleed freely and you

01:13:04.729 --> 01:13:07.029
keep it clean afterwards. I've never had an infection

01:13:07.029 --> 01:13:08.630
from any kind of blood play, but that doesn't

01:13:08.630 --> 01:13:10.609
mean that no one will. And definitely if you've

01:13:10.609 --> 01:13:12.649
got other health factors that increase your risk

01:13:12.649 --> 01:13:16.039
of infection, then that can. But blood -borne

01:13:16.039 --> 01:13:19.279
viruses is a big one. If your blood is leaving

01:13:19.279 --> 01:13:21.680
your body and it gets into someone's mouth, it

01:13:21.680 --> 01:13:23.819
gets into someone's eyes, it gets on someone's

01:13:23.819 --> 01:13:25.859
genitals, it gets into an open wound on their

01:13:25.859 --> 01:13:27.539
body, especially if you're playing with multiple

01:13:27.539 --> 01:13:30.319
bottoms in a blood play scene, those risks are

01:13:30.319 --> 01:13:32.119
very, very high. That's going to be your highest

01:13:32.119 --> 01:13:34.560
rate of transmission for any blood -borne viruses

01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:36.659
if you're actually splashing visible quantities

01:13:36.659 --> 01:13:40.680
of blood into another person. So testing regularly

01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:44.260
is important. um if you are in a completely monogamous

01:13:44.260 --> 01:13:45.899
relationship and you're only doing blood play

01:13:45.899 --> 01:13:47.979
with one person you may not need a particularly

01:13:47.979 --> 01:13:51.140
sort of um frequent testing schedule but it's

01:13:51.140 --> 01:13:53.119
still worth doing at least every now and again

01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:54.760
and certainly if you're doing this with multiple

01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:58.560
people in public venues you know having sex with

01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:00.159
multiple partners even if you're only doing blood

01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:03.199
play with one think a lot about testing so that

01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:05.239
you know what your actual risk is to your best

01:14:05.239 --> 01:14:08.600
of your ability um and toys that are going to

01:14:08.600 --> 01:14:10.640
break the skin or have ever broken someone's

01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:14.020
skin The ideal sort of top tier safety is that

01:14:14.020 --> 01:14:16.140
toy is never used on another person. Once it's

01:14:16.140 --> 01:14:18.380
broken the skin, it's monogamously bonded to

01:14:18.380 --> 01:14:21.039
that one person. So you could be hit by loads

01:14:21.039 --> 01:14:22.520
of different people with it, but the person who's

01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:24.399
being hit is the only person who can be hit with

01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:29.069
it. We do a slightly... within our risk profile

01:14:29.069 --> 01:14:32.050
step down version of that where we have toys

01:14:32.050 --> 01:14:34.029
that have been used on more than one person but

01:14:34.029 --> 01:14:36.689
with the sharp parts removed and replaced with

01:14:36.689 --> 01:14:39.350
fresh ones yeah um so a lot of our toys have

01:14:39.350 --> 01:14:41.770
got those acupressure spikes which are attached

01:14:41.770 --> 01:14:43.829
on with a little screw through the center you

01:14:43.829 --> 01:14:45.789
can unscrew those take them off throw them away

01:14:45.789 --> 01:14:48.489
and put fresh spikes and fresh screws on so the

01:14:48.489 --> 01:14:51.170
toy itself will have touched blood from multiple

01:14:51.170 --> 01:14:53.989
people but the toy itself isn't penetrating the

01:14:53.989 --> 01:14:57.560
skin it's still not the safest way to do it there

01:14:57.560 --> 01:14:59.279
is still an element of risk there which is why

01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:01.239
really clear consent and communication is important

01:15:01.239 --> 01:15:04.079
around that so when you've used the toys um on

01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:06.079
your ex -partner use them on me and use them

01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:07.479
on someone else you played with a year or so

01:15:07.479 --> 01:15:10.300
ago yep you talked that through and said this

01:15:10.300 --> 01:15:12.720
this has been used are you okay with that yeah

01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:15.329
um And there's always the option to just buy

01:15:15.329 --> 01:15:18.890
completely new toys. Bloodborne viruses can survive

01:15:18.890 --> 01:15:21.609
outside the body, but typically not for an enormous

01:15:21.609 --> 01:15:24.529
amount of time. I think the longest lasting tends

01:15:24.529 --> 01:15:28.430
to be hepatitis can last for five days. So in

01:15:28.430 --> 01:15:30.510
theory, if blood has got on a toy and it hasn't

01:15:30.510 --> 01:15:32.850
been used for a few days, you're probably not

01:15:32.850 --> 01:15:35.289
going to get a bloodborne virus. But if there

01:15:35.289 --> 01:15:38.590
are grooves and dents and things like that in

01:15:38.590 --> 01:15:40.050
it where it could be kept moist, it could last

01:15:40.050 --> 01:15:41.949
considerably longer and you don't want to gamble

01:15:41.949 --> 01:15:44.750
your health on well. probably it's fine yeah

01:15:44.750 --> 01:15:47.109
so thinking that through and thinking what feels

01:15:47.109 --> 01:15:50.189
like an acceptable risk to you is is smart yeah

01:15:50.189 --> 01:15:52.050
and thinking about risks at the top as well when

01:15:52.050 --> 01:15:53.710
you're handling sharp things as we talked about

01:15:53.710 --> 01:15:55.289
with you grabbing your penis with the vampire

01:15:55.289 --> 01:16:00.350
gloves yes um it's not just thinking about hitting

01:16:00.350 --> 01:16:02.010
someone else with those gloves at that point

01:16:02.010 --> 01:16:03.729
it's if you hit yourself with one of the toys

01:16:03.729 --> 01:16:06.090
by mistake you grab your own dick with the vampire

01:16:06.090 --> 01:16:08.529
gloves yeah if we weren't already fluid bonded

01:16:08.529 --> 01:16:12.170
we sure as fuck were after that yes yes we definitely

01:16:12.170 --> 01:16:14.699
were Yeah, we definitely were. And I think just

01:16:14.699 --> 01:16:17.279
to clarify where we've used or where I've used

01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:20.119
the same thing with multiple people, what we

01:16:20.119 --> 01:16:23.199
did there was replace the acupressure discs on

01:16:23.199 --> 01:16:26.939
all of them. Yeah. So I did some bloody impact

01:16:26.939 --> 01:16:31.520
with a friend of ours and actually only used

01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:33.279
things that had acupressure discs on it and they

01:16:33.279 --> 01:16:35.319
all had fresh ones on for that person. Yeah.

01:16:36.020 --> 01:16:37.659
And then we swapped them back out again afterwards.

01:16:37.979 --> 01:16:40.300
Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember if you put the original

01:16:40.300 --> 01:16:42.239
ones. I can't remember if you put the original

01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:44.520
ones back on or put entirely fresh ones on for

01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:46.079
coming back to me. But either way, you didn't

01:16:46.079 --> 01:16:47.859
use the same discs on me as you used on that

01:16:47.859 --> 01:16:50.000
person. Yeah. Got rid of those after. Yeah. And

01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:52.260
gave it a good clean and let it dry before we

01:16:52.260 --> 01:16:55.119
did it. Yeah. And keeping them clean is a good

01:16:55.119 --> 01:16:56.800
idea, even if you're never going to use them

01:16:56.800 --> 01:16:59.439
with anyone else. If you're not concerned about

01:16:59.439 --> 01:17:01.739
infection risk at all, completely monogamous

01:17:01.739 --> 01:17:03.619
relationship, you want to keep the toys clean

01:17:03.619 --> 01:17:06.760
because just general bacteria and grot. can grow

01:17:06.760 --> 01:17:09.140
in in blood and it doesn't look very nice much

01:17:09.140 --> 01:17:10.899
as the aesthetic of a little bit of blood splattered

01:17:10.899 --> 01:17:13.039
on the ceiling is nice you don't want crusty

01:17:13.039 --> 01:17:15.680
old scabs on your toys no um a good tip that

01:17:15.680 --> 01:17:18.260
i found is using a toothbrush not the toothbrush

01:17:18.260 --> 01:17:20.619
you clean your teeth with no a clean toothbrush

01:17:20.619 --> 01:17:23.079
that has not been in your mouth or been used

01:17:23.079 --> 01:17:25.439
to scrub the grout in your bathroom or any other

01:17:25.439 --> 01:17:29.739
clean toothbrush uh just with water as a starting

01:17:29.739 --> 01:17:31.890
point on the toys You can get that around all

01:17:31.890 --> 01:17:33.390
of the little spikes without having to try to

01:17:33.390 --> 01:17:34.590
rub them with your fingers and hurt yourself.

01:17:35.409 --> 01:17:38.050
Really good if you've got any toys where the

01:17:38.050 --> 01:17:39.789
spikes don't lie completely flush to the toy

01:17:39.789 --> 01:17:41.590
as well. So at the back, because I've made it

01:17:41.590 --> 01:17:44.250
myself and I'm not a skilled woodworker, the

01:17:44.250 --> 01:17:46.229
spikes aren't set into the bat. They're just

01:17:46.229 --> 01:17:47.850
screwed into it. So because the bat's curved,

01:17:47.970 --> 01:17:49.970
there's space under the edges of the spikes.

01:17:50.409 --> 01:17:52.590
Toothbrush can burr it under there and clean

01:17:52.590 --> 01:17:56.329
any blood that's pooled there. We do know someone,

01:17:56.449 --> 01:17:58.550
don't we, who made a version of that baseball

01:17:58.550 --> 01:18:02.710
bat, but they made recesses for all of the acupressure

01:18:02.710 --> 01:18:04.930
discs. They do know woodwork, so they actually

01:18:04.930 --> 01:18:08.750
set them into the bat. Wiping over things with

01:18:08.750 --> 01:18:10.850
alcohol is always a good idea as well. Again,

01:18:10.909 --> 01:18:12.489
just kill off any more nasties. You're never

01:18:12.489 --> 01:18:14.170
going to be able to sterilize these kind of toys.

01:18:15.529 --> 01:18:17.489
They are generally made of some combination of

01:18:17.489 --> 01:18:19.970
wood, plastic, even if it is a toy that is entirely

01:18:19.970 --> 01:18:22.350
metal, unless you've got like an autoclave or

01:18:22.350 --> 01:18:24.010
something in your home, you're not going to get

01:18:24.010 --> 01:18:26.510
it sterile. But alcohol wipes is a good idea.

01:18:27.010 --> 01:18:29.229
Some people will alcohol wipe their skin down

01:18:29.229 --> 01:18:32.529
before play as well. I personally don't because...

01:18:32.960 --> 01:18:35.239
I know that the bacteria that live on my skin

01:18:35.239 --> 01:18:37.159
all the time are getting introduced into wounds

01:18:37.159 --> 01:18:39.600
all the time. You know, if I pick a spot or scratch

01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:42.619
my knee or cut my nails too short or anything

01:18:42.619 --> 01:18:44.619
like that, like the bacteria on my skin are getting

01:18:44.619 --> 01:18:45.859
into wounds. And as long as they're bleeding

01:18:45.859 --> 01:18:47.500
freely and I'm keeping them clean, I consider

01:18:47.500 --> 01:18:50.079
that an acceptable risk. But if you're very concerned

01:18:50.079 --> 01:18:51.600
about it, or again, particularly susceptible

01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:54.720
to infection, wiping over with alcohol wipes

01:18:54.720 --> 01:18:57.220
is an option some people take. Yeah. And being

01:18:57.220 --> 01:18:59.260
generally clean is a good idea. Like if you haven't

01:18:59.260 --> 01:19:00.840
had a shower in three days, maybe take care of

01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:02.399
that first. Take care of that first. Yeah, yeah.

01:19:02.979 --> 01:19:06.159
And like after an impact scene as well, our approach

01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:09.380
is using baby wipes to make sure that the active

01:19:09.380 --> 01:19:11.699
bleeding has stopped. Yeah. Or is slowed right

01:19:11.699 --> 01:19:13.920
down. And definitely not alcohol wipes after

01:19:13.920 --> 01:19:15.779
play because they'll stop the blood from clotting.

01:19:16.090 --> 01:19:18.229
Yeah. And it's not, I mean, with the kind of

01:19:18.229 --> 01:19:19.510
wounds we're talking about, it's not going to

01:19:19.510 --> 01:19:21.270
be dangerous. You're not going to bleed to death

01:19:21.270 --> 01:19:22.989
from it. But at some point you probably want

01:19:22.989 --> 01:19:25.229
to get off the bed, remove all the plastic sheeting

01:19:25.229 --> 01:19:26.909
from it and get on with your day and maybe put

01:19:26.909 --> 01:19:28.689
some pants on. If you've wiped over yourself

01:19:28.689 --> 01:19:30.310
with alcohol wipes, it's going to sting like

01:19:30.310 --> 01:19:32.229
a bitch and it's going to continue bleeding for

01:19:32.229 --> 01:19:34.010
a while and you're going to be stuck there. Yeah.

01:19:34.909 --> 01:19:37.909
Yes. So just standard baby wipes just to make

01:19:37.909 --> 01:19:39.689
sure that you've got as much of it off as possible

01:19:39.689 --> 01:19:41.949
and then jump in the shower whenever you are

01:19:41.949 --> 01:19:45.100
comfortable. Yeah. When have you got the power

01:19:45.100 --> 01:19:47.880
of limbs back? And loose clothing afterwards.

01:19:48.100 --> 01:19:50.460
Loose, breathable clothing is the way to go.

01:19:50.579 --> 01:19:52.399
If you put on a pair of tight leggings afterwards,

01:19:52.659 --> 01:19:54.960
it's going to stick. Even if you think you're

01:19:54.960 --> 01:19:57.300
done bleeding, it's going to stick. It's going

01:19:57.300 --> 01:19:59.659
to be uncomfortable. Yeah, have to peel it off.

01:19:59.819 --> 01:20:02.560
Which, I mean, in itself, quite fun. Generally,

01:20:02.560 --> 01:20:04.239
you want your wounds to heal up as quick as possible

01:20:04.239 --> 01:20:07.260
so you can go again. Yes, true. Eve mentioned

01:20:07.260 --> 01:20:10.800
a couple of times, I think, the concept of dextering.

01:20:11.220 --> 01:20:17.180
Yes. Which is a fab word for it. But essentially,

01:20:17.380 --> 01:20:20.319
that's about the space. Yeah. If you are going

01:20:20.319 --> 01:20:22.739
to do a bloody scene, you need to think about

01:20:22.739 --> 01:20:25.100
weather and how you're going to protect the space

01:20:25.100 --> 01:20:27.800
that you're doing it in. Yeah. So sometimes when

01:20:27.800 --> 01:20:31.560
we do it at home, we generally put a plastic

01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:35.539
decorator's mat down over the bed and as much

01:20:35.539 --> 01:20:39.300
of the carpet as we can. Yeah. We have chosen

01:20:39.300 --> 01:20:42.180
to take the risk. with our walls but we know

01:20:42.180 --> 01:20:44.180
some people who will do the same with the walls

01:20:44.180 --> 01:20:46.420
as well yeah and even the ceiling you can tape

01:20:46.420 --> 01:20:48.819
plastic over the ceiling it depends how concerned

01:20:48.819 --> 01:20:51.420
you are if you rent or if you've got an entirely

01:20:51.420 --> 01:20:53.920
white bedroom you'll probably want to do more

01:20:53.920 --> 01:20:55.899
versus someone who's got dark colored walls and

01:20:55.899 --> 01:20:57.220
owns their home and isn't planning on moving

01:20:57.220 --> 01:21:00.579
in the next two to three years yeah um we definitely

01:21:00.579 --> 01:21:02.600
are aiming not to get our bedroom absolutely

01:21:02.600 --> 01:21:04.500
covered in blood splatters the way that my bedroom

01:21:04.500 --> 01:21:07.529
at the flat was but we're also not really concerned

01:21:07.529 --> 01:21:09.130
if there are a few dodgy spots on the ceiling

01:21:09.130 --> 01:21:10.850
when we're ready to sell the house we'll cross

01:21:10.850 --> 01:21:12.810
that bridge yeah we'll paint it yeah i'll be

01:21:12.810 --> 01:21:17.649
fine um because that's what the event that we

01:21:17.649 --> 01:21:20.689
went to provide a very well protected space to

01:21:20.689 --> 01:21:25.050
do that uh protected and easy clean as well i

01:21:25.050 --> 01:21:27.170
think that's one of the other things about using

01:21:27.170 --> 01:21:30.329
plastic sheeting is just hose it off either hose

01:21:30.329 --> 01:21:33.270
it off or because they're you know they're a

01:21:33.270 --> 01:21:36.720
couple of quid from b &q kind of scrunch it up

01:21:36.720 --> 01:21:39.340
and put it in the bin yeah sort of thing yeah

01:21:39.340 --> 01:21:41.859
you know but they are it's it's wiped clean yeah

01:21:41.859 --> 01:21:43.819
and that's an option as well for people playing

01:21:43.819 --> 01:21:45.539
at home who don't want to if they've got a big

01:21:45.539 --> 01:21:46.899
bedroom like ours and they don't want to have

01:21:46.899 --> 01:21:48.659
to do plastic sheeting over the entire space

01:21:48.659 --> 01:21:50.939
is that's a really good solution is getting like

01:21:50.939 --> 01:21:53.619
a pop -up gazebo and yeah doing your dextring

01:21:53.619 --> 01:21:55.020
on that as well so you've got something a little

01:21:55.020 --> 01:21:57.699
bit more manageable to do that with yeah disposal

01:21:57.699 --> 01:21:59.840
is another thing to think about a lot of people

01:21:59.840 --> 01:22:01.800
get very touchy about the idea of putting blood

01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:03.819
into household waste yeah because they're like

01:22:03.819 --> 01:22:05.500
oh my god it's a biohazard in hospital that would

01:22:05.500 --> 01:22:07.520
go in the biohazard bin it's like yes but do

01:22:07.520 --> 01:22:09.460
you have a biohazard bin for when you get your

01:22:09.460 --> 01:22:12.100
period or do you use one when you cut your finger

01:22:12.100 --> 01:22:14.840
yeah You know, we do put blood in the household

01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:17.119
waste, but it is considerate to the people who

01:22:17.119 --> 01:22:19.199
empty your bins not to put something that looks

01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:20.979
like a crime scene into the household waste.

01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:23.619
And it is also considerate to yourself because

01:22:23.619 --> 01:22:25.119
they might call the police if they see that.

01:22:25.470 --> 01:22:28.069
yes so if you're going to be throwing away plastic

01:22:28.069 --> 01:22:30.170
sheeting after you're done still worth giving

01:22:30.170 --> 01:22:32.890
it a quick hose off or a wipe down a few streaks

01:22:32.890 --> 01:22:34.550
of blood probably aren't going to raise any eyebrows

01:22:34.550 --> 01:22:36.510
you know people cut themselves doing diy all

01:22:36.510 --> 01:22:39.109
the time but don't put it in there with a massive

01:22:39.109 --> 01:22:41.949
pool of crusted dried blood on it yeah um if

01:22:41.949 --> 01:22:44.350
you're using sharps appropriate disposal of those

01:22:44.350 --> 01:22:46.529
the best solution is obviously to get and use

01:22:46.529 --> 01:22:48.989
a sharp spin if you are in a position where you

01:22:48.989 --> 01:22:50.909
don't feel able to or don't have access to a

01:22:50.909 --> 01:22:53.970
sharp spin the harm reduction approach is as

01:22:53.970 --> 01:22:56.340
much sort of thorough packaging and labeling

01:22:56.340 --> 01:22:58.960
before going into household waste so when i worked

01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:00.840
in drug and alcohol the harm reduction technique

01:23:00.840 --> 01:23:03.039
we were taught is if you don't have access to

01:23:03.039 --> 01:23:05.359
a sharps then need to dispose of sharps you put

01:23:05.359 --> 01:23:09.560
stuff inside a padded envelope inside a jar wrapped

01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:11.819
in duct tape in another padded envelope and write

01:23:11.819 --> 01:23:14.260
sharps on it yeah uh so something along those

01:23:14.260 --> 01:23:17.060
lines can be a an option but if you can get a

01:23:17.060 --> 01:23:19.220
sharps bin get a sharps bin that's the the best

01:23:19.220 --> 01:23:21.100
way yeah one more thing to think about we talked

01:23:21.100 --> 01:23:23.989
a lot about like cleaning toys and keeping clean

01:23:23.989 --> 01:23:27.069
and infection control in general but think about

01:23:27.069 --> 01:23:29.229
keeping an eye on condition of toys as well those

01:23:29.229 --> 01:23:31.949
acupressure discs are plastic they can start

01:23:31.949 --> 01:23:35.090
to warp twist come unscrewed if they're glued

01:23:35.090 --> 01:23:37.750
on start to lift at the edges start to crack

01:23:37.750 --> 01:23:41.369
if you end up with broken discs or a damaged

01:23:41.369 --> 01:23:43.409
surface of a wooden toy where it might give splinters

01:23:43.409 --> 01:23:45.930
or anything like that a toy that is going to

01:23:45.930 --> 01:23:48.069
get you bloody can quickly turn into a toy that

01:23:48.069 --> 01:23:50.170
is going to send you to hospital yeah especially

01:23:50.170 --> 01:23:52.310
if you're already bloody and can't easily assess

01:23:52.310 --> 01:23:54.989
the damage and you're flying high on endorphins

01:23:54.989 --> 01:23:56.890
you might not notice that it's causing more damage

01:23:56.890 --> 01:23:58.869
than intended yeah so one of the things i do

01:23:58.869 --> 01:24:00.489
when i clean the toys is i do a quick visual

01:24:00.489 --> 01:24:02.689
inspection of them look for any scratches chips

01:24:02.689 --> 01:24:05.489
warping things like that as i said my old vampire

01:24:05.489 --> 01:24:07.270
paddle i probably kept it longer than i should

01:24:07.270 --> 01:24:09.609
have done um but i definitely it reached a point

01:24:09.609 --> 01:24:11.090
where i was like this is not actually going to

01:24:11.090 --> 01:24:13.630
be safe to play with anymore without some considerable

01:24:13.630 --> 01:24:15.689
maintenance work on it and considering it was

01:24:15.689 --> 01:24:18.460
six pounds i'm just gonna get rid of it yeah

01:24:18.460 --> 01:24:22.079
um so make sure that if it's a toy that you made

01:24:22.079 --> 01:24:24.100
yourself or have the skills to maintain that

01:24:24.100 --> 01:24:25.939
you are doing any maintenance it needs and replace

01:24:25.939 --> 01:24:27.739
it when you either can't or don't want to do

01:24:27.739 --> 01:24:30.079
that anymore once it starts getting damaged good

01:24:30.079 --> 01:24:31.840
tip with toys in general the same applies to

01:24:31.840 --> 01:24:33.359
toys that aren't going to be drawing blood but

01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:35.300
i think with bloody stuff it's more likely that

01:24:35.300 --> 01:24:37.539
the scene you're doing is going to mask an injury

01:24:37.539 --> 01:24:39.460
than if you're doing a scene that's not meant

01:24:39.460 --> 01:24:41.180
to be getting bloody if a toy suddenly cuts you

01:24:41.180 --> 01:24:43.020
you're going to know about it yeah no i would

01:24:43.020 --> 01:24:47.119
agree that's all very sensible tips um i know

01:24:47.119 --> 01:24:49.340
that this is not a class on how to do bloody

01:24:49.340 --> 01:24:50.920
impact but i think the one thing that i would

01:24:50.920 --> 01:24:52.939
add is if you are going to try it think really

01:24:52.939 --> 01:24:56.619
carefully about the method yeah of as the top

01:24:56.619 --> 01:24:58.760
think about the method of actually hitting someone

01:24:58.760 --> 01:25:03.140
it's dead easy with non -spiky impact toys to

01:25:03.140 --> 01:25:06.539
kind of hit and press in and then drag a little

01:25:06.539 --> 01:25:09.720
bit when you're pulling it back yeah it's it's

01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:11.720
really important when you're using any kind of

01:25:11.720 --> 01:25:15.079
spiky toy not to do that yeah um at least not

01:25:15.079 --> 01:25:16.720
to do it unintentionally that can be something

01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:18.659
you work up to but yeah when you're learning

01:25:18.659 --> 01:25:20.380
you want to go straight in straight out so you're

01:25:20.380 --> 01:25:23.859
not causing big cuts yeah and i guess it depends

01:25:23.859 --> 01:25:26.479
on what you're what you're using as well but

01:25:26.479 --> 01:25:28.020
like you know kind of some of the things that

01:25:28.020 --> 01:25:31.199
we've got to use like the baseball bat and the

01:25:31.199 --> 01:25:34.840
fetchwood craft thing very much kind of quite

01:25:34.840 --> 01:25:37.220
straight on and then straight back out again

01:25:37.220 --> 01:25:40.359
is is a is a good technique to try and make sure

01:25:40.359 --> 01:25:43.500
that you've got down definitely before using

01:25:43.500 --> 01:25:45.680
it on someone because that will cause quite a

01:25:45.680 --> 01:25:47.500
lot of damage if you don't do it quite right

01:25:47.500 --> 01:25:49.600
yeah and if anyone's having a hard time getting

01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:51.239
their head around that so these things are all

01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:53.899
very small spikes um you know no more than probably

01:25:53.899 --> 01:25:56.479
three or four millimeters across yeah if you

01:25:56.479 --> 01:25:58.079
go straight in and out that means you're making

01:25:58.079 --> 01:26:00.220
a three or four millimeter puncture if you go

01:26:00.220 --> 01:26:03.460
down and drag it you could turn that into a five

01:26:03.460 --> 01:26:06.079
inch laceration yeah very very easily without

01:26:06.079 --> 01:26:08.359
realizing you're doing it yeah so that's important

01:26:08.359 --> 01:26:11.720
to have control over and as i said there's with

01:26:11.720 --> 01:26:13.739
certain types of toys and in certain types of

01:26:13.739 --> 01:26:15.539
scenes we might do a little bit of that where

01:26:15.539 --> 01:26:17.439
you're wanting to cause some scratches yeah and

01:26:17.439 --> 01:26:19.680
some grazers yeah but we would only do that with

01:26:19.680 --> 01:26:21.300
toys where we know it's going to be very very

01:26:21.300 --> 01:26:25.260
superficial yeah yeah yeah like the barbecue

01:26:25.260 --> 01:26:27.760
brush yeah you get away with a little bit of

01:26:27.760 --> 01:26:30.609
dragging with that the greater yeah works if

01:26:30.609 --> 01:26:32.710
you drag it yeah it works better if you drag

01:26:32.710 --> 01:26:34.289
it works better if you drag it but i would say

01:26:34.289 --> 01:26:36.390
that's more advanced and you want to make sure

01:26:36.390 --> 01:26:37.930
you've got really good control over that because

01:26:37.930 --> 01:26:40.149
even there there's a big difference between dragging

01:26:40.149 --> 01:26:42.470
a centimeter and dragging it afoot yeah you know

01:26:42.470 --> 01:26:44.270
you want to make sure you know exactly how much

01:26:44.270 --> 01:26:46.890
damage you're going to do yeah yeah so there's

01:26:46.890 --> 01:26:50.550
something about being really extra conscious

01:26:50.550 --> 01:26:54.140
of your your technique i would say Yes. So there

01:26:54.140 --> 01:26:56.359
endeth the lecture. Our safety debrief that we

01:26:56.359 --> 01:26:58.680
usually do at the end of an unhinged episode.

01:26:59.100 --> 01:27:01.399
As is tradition. Talking about an unhinged kink

01:27:01.399 --> 01:27:05.260
like this. I think it's fair to say we have a

01:27:05.260 --> 01:27:07.699
particular set of experiences, I suppose, that

01:27:07.699 --> 01:27:10.300
we do together with Bloodplay. Impact is not

01:27:10.300 --> 01:27:12.640
the only way of doing it, but that's our thing.

01:27:12.960 --> 01:27:16.439
Yep. If listening to this episode has terrified

01:27:16.439 --> 01:27:19.020
you completely, then that's fine. This is not

01:27:19.020 --> 01:27:22.229
for everybody. Come back next week. We're watching

01:27:22.229 --> 01:27:24.289
a movie. It's really chill. Yeah, yeah. Much

01:27:24.289 --> 01:27:26.689
lower stakes next week. But if it is something

01:27:26.689 --> 01:27:29.250
that is interesting, then there's classes all

01:27:29.250 --> 01:27:30.949
over the place where you can kind of find out

01:27:30.949 --> 01:27:35.010
the really detailed stuff about it. Yeah. We

01:27:35.010 --> 01:27:38.909
really enjoy it. We do. I wouldn't go so far

01:27:38.909 --> 01:27:40.350
as to say it's one of my favourite things, but

01:27:40.350 --> 01:27:43.890
I do really enjoy that combination of hitting

01:27:43.890 --> 01:27:45.949
you with stuff and then... they're being blood

01:27:45.949 --> 01:27:48.649
everywhere i agree it's one of the probably 20

01:27:48.649 --> 01:27:50.569
or 30 kinks that i regularly say is a top five

01:27:50.569 --> 01:27:52.850
kink for me yeah it's very hard to narrow down

01:27:52.850 --> 01:27:55.670
but i really like it yeah but that's impossible

01:27:55.670 --> 01:27:57.829
isn't it kind of every now and again i'll get

01:27:57.829 --> 01:28:00.409
a question on fat life or you'll get you'll get

01:28:00.409 --> 01:28:02.829
a question like what's your favorite thing to

01:28:02.829 --> 01:28:05.409
do and it's like the best i can do is my favorite

01:28:05.409 --> 01:28:08.659
thing this week yeah you know ask me next week

01:28:08.659 --> 01:28:10.079
it might be a different set of things ask me

01:28:10.079 --> 01:28:11.739
in three months time it will definitely be a

01:28:11.739 --> 01:28:13.739
different set of things yeah because i was regularly

01:28:13.739 --> 01:28:15.479
saying waterboarding was a favorite in the summer

01:28:15.479 --> 01:28:17.100
and over the winter it's like i'd really rather

01:28:17.100 --> 01:28:21.140
not i don't want to be cold and wet that's definitely

01:28:21.140 --> 01:28:25.760
a seasonal kink yeah isn't it that one yeah um

01:28:25.760 --> 01:28:29.760
but yeah i think we are done i think we are yeah

01:28:29.760 --> 01:28:32.479
it was another banger of an episode i think Yeah,

01:28:32.520 --> 01:28:34.619
just hit after hit after hit, isn't it, with

01:28:34.619 --> 01:28:36.800
this podcast? Yeah. Now how about we get the

01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:41.300
vampire gloves and you grab and squeeze? Well,

01:28:41.340 --> 01:28:45.460
I'm going to have a smoke. That's good, too.

01:28:45.560 --> 01:29:09.399
Let's do that. Okay. Bye. See you next time.