Welcome to Don't Scare the Newbies, a podcast
where we talk kink, raw and unfiltered. I'm Carizel,
a lifestyle submissive in a 24 -7 dynamic who
likes their kink heavy, intense and scary. And
I'm S, Carizel's dominant, who knows how to deliver
all of the above. And today we're going to be
getting gory. We're going to be talking all about
blood. Yes, bloody hell, etc. I need to try harder
with my silly little puns. I like how hit and
miss they are. Losing my ability. Because sometimes
they're really good and sometimes they're like
a proper dad joke. Yeah. And sometimes it's like,
you didn't think about this at all, did you?
No, I didn't. No. No, I didn't think about that
until the very moment it happened. But that's
your role in this podcast is you don't think
about anything. You just turn up. I hand you
an outline. I hand you a mic. Well, you hand
yourself a microphone because my hands are too
weak to set them up. Yes. And then you talk for
a couple of hours. And then you do the rest of
it. Yeah. Yeah. you can tell who does the outlining
constant surprise i look down and wonder why
you're not saying anything it's because you're
waiting for me yep so yeah blood play this is
one of those that i genuinely had to ask to make
sure that my definition was correct which i why
how mix i don't know to be fair i think it's
like that thing where someone phones you like
someone from a company phones you and asks you
to confirm your postcode yeah you immediately
i had that on the phone the other day i forgot
the postcode yeah i was like i don't know my
i don't know i'm homeless i don't know lived
here for two and a bit years can't remember no
anyway blood play is quite simply any type of
kinky play that involves a person bleeding yeah
and i felt a bit daft when i was putting this
in the outline it was like surely people know
what blood play is the name kind of gives it
away even if you've never heard of it before
but also i do think there are there are some
things that are definitely clearly blood play
but there are some things where maybe people
would debate it a bit more so like period sex
for example. No one's being intentionally made
to bleed there, but I still tend to put it under
the same umbrella of kinks. I think if you're
just happening to have sex on your period, maybe
it's not, but if you're having sex because you're
on your period and that is part of the thing
that you're getting from it, then I would count
it. Yeah, I think so. And I think there are a
lot of people who would say that kind of blood
is their main kink, I suppose, or a big kink
for them. But for us, I think it's more like,
or for me anyway, it's more like the icing on
the cake. Of the kink. Yeah. Like the way that
we do blood play, as you said, includes having
sex while you're on your period, but also impacts
with things that will make you bleed. Yeah. We
haven't done a lot of like using scalpels. We've
done any using scalpels. But I have. You have.
Yeah. So that's a type of blood play as well,
because you're cutting the skin and making someone
bleed. Yeah. So it kind of has that connection
to lots of other kinky activity as well, as well
as being a kink and an interest in its own right.
Yeah, I would agree. I think, as you say, for
some people, blood is the point. For some people,
something else might be the point, but blood
can be an addition to it or a way of getting
to where you want to be. Yeah. Which is just
wonderful, isn't it? Yeah. The flexible world
of kink that we live in. So because this is one
of those topics which people might feel a little
bit squeaky about. yeah so we should probably
kind of set out what we're going to talk about
because this talking about blood can be a little
bit kind of difficult for some people to to process
i suppose yeah and i will as always be putting
a content note on the description so once we
have said all the things we're going to say i'll
know what we've said and i'll include i'll include
them but yeah um given that this is definitely
a really common squick we're going to be talking
in detail in graphic detail about intentional
bleeding throughout Yeah. So we're going to talk
about what it is. We're going to describe a scene
that we did in some detail, which involved quite
a lot of blood. Yeah. And we'll talk about the
usual kind of practical safety things that people
need to think about. Yeah. And if you handled
the episode that we had with Mark about sharps
play a few weeks ago, then you'll probably be
fine. That's true. Which is also a really good
episode. If this episode interests you, that
should be next on your list if you're not listening
in order. Yes, that was a very good episode.
Very popular episode as well. People really liked
Mark. Yeah. Which is nice because he's a really
nice guy. He is. He's lovely. But yeah, it's
always nice when his likeability managed to land
with people while he was talking about just horrific
torture. Yeah. I could imagine that not always
quite connecting with the audience, but he has
the charm to carry it off. He really does. So
what I imagine some people might be wondering
right now is why? Probably. I mean, I imagine
the people listening to this podcast will think
that quite a lot. Yeah. And they're probably
used to it by now. It's like, oh, of course.
Of course they like Blood. Yeah. Sounds about
right. But what does Blood play do for you, Mix?
What do you get out of it? I think this is a
really tricky one for me because it isn't necessarily
the blood itself that is appealing to you. I
don't get any more aroused by a scene that involves
blood compared to one that doesn't. Right. I
think... Because a lot of the stuff that we do
around Bloodplay is usually impact. I think what
I like about it is it's a really visible sign
of what we're doing. You are notoriously difficult
to bruise. Almost impossible, yeah. As we've
said before, and as we would continue to say,
bruising does not make us the masochist. Yeah.
But sometimes you do a really big, thuddy, whippy,
stingy, whatever, impact scene. And you don't
always see the result of it. Yeah. And I find
that hard sometimes because I really like getting
marks. And I like seeing the achievement of what
I took. Yeah. And if I come away from a scene
that felt like it was really heavy and I haven't
bruised or I've barely bruised, it makes me start
questioning myself and go, was it even that intense?
Maybe I'm just a wuss. So yeah, one of the things
that I really like about blood as well is by
its nature, it involves breaking the skin. So
I will always have some kind of marks. Yeah.
Yeah, and one of the things that I enjoy about
it is seeing a really visual impact of what I'm
doing. But also it's just dead interesting because
different things, different impact tools do different
things. Yeah. So it has a different impact, different
visual impact. It looks different on your skin,
which I just find fascinating. And blood is very
visual as well. Yeah, yeah. It's a big mess.
Yeah. Because it's interesting, you said blood
itself maybe doesn't necessarily add a lot to
the scene for you. It's more about everything
that's going on around it. I definitely think
blood adds something for me. Right. I wouldn't
say it's like my main kink or it's essential
or that I feel like a scene where I don't bleed
is any less good. Yeah. there is something i
find really hot about seeing my own blood and
seeing particularly if it's i mean we're never
talking huge quantities of blood here we're never
talking like even the amount that you would lose
by donating blood for example it's not large
quantities but if you're doing something that's
breaking the skin in small ways but in a lot
of places yeah you get a big splatter of the
blood you get a big visual of the blood even
it was actually a very small quantity and that
that feels really exciting to me to see yeah
the result Yeah, that's a really good point because
it is fascinating, isn't it? Because when we
do it, we've done it a few times where it looks
like you are just hemorrhaging from your various
body parts and it's not actually that much. No.
You know, if you've kind of squeezed out all
of the little tissues and baby wipes and stuff
that we use and got all of the blood out of it,
it probably wouldn't be very much. Yeah. But
it looks like I've just massacred you. Yeah.
I mean, it's the same with periods. I'm sure
the average period is something stupid like two
or three teaspoons. I haven't looked that up,
but it is a quantity of that type. It's measured
in milliliters. It's a small amount. But when
you're on, especially on sort of day two, it
feels like all of my blood is coming out of me.
And if I move wrong or sneeze, I'm going to explode.
And it's actually not that much. It's just blood
is a very vivid colour. And it gets everywhere.
So it doesn't take a lot of it to look like you've
lost a lot. Yeah, there is a little bit of egotism
in me as well because it isn't something that
everybody does. Yeah. It's like you go to a play
event and by and large the majority of people
there will be hitting each other with stuff.
Doing bloody impact isn't something that you
often see at events. Yeah. You don't. and and
when you show people or when people see it or
you talk about it you do sometimes get that kind
of reaction of oh my god oh that's some heavy
shit yeah so there's a little bit of ego in it
as well i think for me which i quite enjoy you
know it's that kind of kink's not a competition
but sometimes i'm winning i think that's valid
because i feel that way too it's like yeah we
shouldn't be competitive and things like that
but it's nice to it's nice to have people impressed
by the things you've done if you're going to
engage in kink community you don't want to just
fade into the background you want people to be
like oh look they do some cool stuff yeah yeah
and it's a very eye -catching type of play and
as you say not everyone does it yeah yeah and
i think it looks heavier than it is as well people
think it means you're a really heavy player yeah
but It's actually, to me, it's not any more intense
than regular impact when we do bloody impact.
Some of the other stuff that people do for blood,
some of the really intense stuff with sharps
can start getting more into that edge play zone
and can be really intense. But I personally don't
find bloody impact, which is what we mainly do.
Yeah. I don't find it overly intense. Yeah. My
perception of it for you is it's kind of like
really thuddy impact, which sometimes is almost
meditative. Yeah. for you you kind of go into
that really zoned out kind of subspace with a
good bloody beating and i guess depending on
what i'm hitting you with and where it's a similar
sort of thing for bloody impact yeah very much
dependent on what toys you're using and where
yes there are things you can do with it that
makes it really really mean yeah but it doesn't
have to be and definitely my first sort of couple
of years of experience of blood play was all
stuff that was very squarely within my comfort
zone it didn't really challenge me yeah um and
then we've we've pushed it as we tend to but
it's it's very easy for it to be a sort of a
comfortable level of play for me yeah which is
just nuts when you say it out loud it really
isn't it you know that perception of it yeah
is you know kind of people think oh my god it's
so extreme and so heavy wow but actually it's
like yeah If we could dexter our room, we'd probably
do it every other week. Yeah. Quiet Tuesday afternoon
kind of thing. Yeah, just a nice way to unwind
after work. So what is it that you really get
from Bloody Impact in particular? Yeah, I would
say like Bloodplay in general, a lot of it all
links together for me and activates a lot of
the same stuff. The sensation is really nice,
as you talked about there. It is often very within
my comfort zone of the types of pain that I like.
And when we talk about impact, we often talk
about thuddy, stingy and slappy. So thuddy is
like heavy, deep into the muscle, almost like
a really firm massage kind of impact. Stingy
is things like whips and canes and it's very
sharp. quite a cold feeling pain. Slappy is like
a cross between the two. It's the sting of the
stingy, but over a larger area and penetrating
a little bit deeper, but not a lot. Slappy is
the hardest one for me. Really actively dislike
slappy. Stingy is fun when I'm in the mood for
it, but usually pushes me quite hard. And thuddy
is really relaxing. It's sort of spiky impact.
I would say it doesn't feel quite like any of
them, depending on what the spiky stuff is attached
to. It can have elements of all three, but it
is a pain that I describe as a warm pain. It
feels almost like a sunburn, but in a sexy way.
So it's a really unique sensation and it's really
nice. It's really enjoyable, even when it is
sort of that stuff that pushes me and challenges
me a little bit more. I really like the visuals,
like I mentioned. Yeah. But there's something
for me about like a morbid fascination with seeing
my own blood. Right. It's... I've always been
quite a weird person when it comes to sort of
morbid interests. When I was a kid, I used to...
No. Surely not. Roadkill, I would... practice
i tried to learn taxidermy but entirely self
-taught and when there was less on the internet
so that didn't work i had a lot of stinky stuff
that my parents would have to remove from the
house um but i used to collect bones and i didn't
know how to clean bones properly and i've always
just had an interest in the the slightly twisted
and so doing a bit of mad science with my own
body like that yeah ties into that for me as
well yeah that makes a lot of sense knowing you
as i do yeah completely unsurprising revelation
yeah um Well, you know that because when I first
moved in here, I was like, oh, my God, finally,
I'm living in a house in the country with a garden.
I can start collecting roadkill again. And you're
like, no, please. Yeah. Do you have to? Oh, God.
And then I moved in and brought all of my stuff
and I was unpacking all of my witchy things.
And I was like, these are the bones I put on
my altar. And you're like, why? Why do you have
bones? Yeah. Why is this bag with an entire spine
in it that has a biohazard label on it? Why do
you have that? Yeah. And I was like, oh, don't
worry. It's in its biohazard bag and I'll clean
it at some point. And you're like. Why? Yeah,
that's a very good explanation of the fact that
it's in a bag, but it doesn't answer the fundamental
question. Why? I just like them. I think they're
cool. And you, to be fair, you came around because
you got me, I think, for like the first Valentine's
Day after we were living together. Either Valentine's
or my birthday, you got me a little tiny animal
bone. Yeah. In a little box. Yes. All ethically
sourced. I don't... buy from places and i wouldn't
want to be bought from places that are killing
animals for this stuff but you can find absolute
fuck tons of roadkill or animals that have just
died naturally if you live in the middle of nowhere
so there's a lot of ethically sourced bones available
yeah yeah um but that is dead interesting though
it it kind of goes back to the episode with mark
and where he talks about his his fascination
with sharps play is about that kind of challenging
that idea that there is a barrier between your
body and the rest of the rest of the universe
or the rest of the world and actually it's a
lot more permeable yeah than that um we are not
solid but we perceive ourselves as solid and
kind of playing with scalpels and sharps and
i suppose bloody impact is the same sort of thing
it kind of challenges that notion that we are
solid and impermeable yeah get the insides out
and Mess around with them. Yes, essentially.
Next up, dissection. Oh God, no. No. We are not
doing that. We are not doing dissection. We are
not doing amputation. None of that. Giant hogweed
mix? No. No. No. Fair. Another thing I like about
it is the effect it has on the room. me too and
i know we are so much more responsible here than
i used to be at my old flat yeah do attempt to
prevent too much mess but whatever we do you
just find it everywhere don't you mix yeah yeah
like our bedroom is what size is our bedroom
mix you know this uh five meters by five meters
roughly it's a big room and we regularly will
find spots of blood on the mirror that is as
far away as you can get in that room from the
bed little bits on the ceiling and it's got a
really high ceiling as well yeah um blood that
has somehow got on the carpet under where plastic
sheeting was yeah however much we try it's always
there and every time i clean the room i find
a little bit and go better deal with that yeah
um but where i used to live me and my ex -partner
were basically like I guess eventually when we
move, we'll clean this up and we just saw how
messy it could get. Yeah. Yeah. There is just
something really nice about it. Really fun about
it. Like seeing it splatter everywhere and like
not just the effect on your body, but kind of
when I stand up. Yeah. And I've got blood on
my hands and other parts of my body as well and
on my clothes and stuff like that. One of the
things I find. absolutely the hottest and this
is probably because i saw american psycho at
slightly too impressionable in an age yeah but
when you have like blood splatter across your
face yeah that is exactly my thing yeah so there
is something quite nice about them like the mess
of it as well isn't there like it's not i don't
think i would put it in the same category as
like some of the um air quotes gross kind of
fluid play like kind of piss and poop and vomit
and stuff like that i don't think i would put
it in that category it doesn't feel the same
to me no no you know it doesn't doesn't feel
like that way for me but there is something about
like seeing you covered in blood and being covered
in blood myself there's been at least one time
that i can remember where we did a really bloody
impact scene and then i fucked you from behind
yeah and like had blood just all over the place
like all over my thighs and all over my tummy
and stuff like that and it's like no actually
that's quite hot isn't it yeah it is yeah it
is i would say like on sort of other kind of
messy and and what i consider gross kinks in
a positive and affirming way it doesn't feel
the same to me same elegant it doesn't have the
same element of degradation and feeling like
a gross mess of a human but one of the things
i get out of those other kinks is the feeling
of being really raw and authentic and present
and not having to be polished and pretty and
performing yeah and blood definitely does the
same thing there where it's it's about as primal
as you can get yeah so it's got a link there
but it has a distinctly different headspace to
it yeah yeah i think that's fair and i think
it's interesting primal is an interesting word
to use because i think when we've done those
things and i've ended up either because i fucked
you or because i've just got it everywhere on
me there is something a little bit kind of caveman
about it yeah you know like being reduced to
my base self Which I think is why I find it so
hot on you because it is that just like remembering
you are just a creature. Yeah. That I really
like. Yeah. I think I like that more than you
because that was me at camping running around
naked in the rain going, yes, I'm an animal.
And you were like, I wish I had an umbrella.
I'm going back in the tent. Well, no, it was
raining and you were running around. Mostly naked,
I think. Completely naked. Whereas I was sitting
on the little camping chair, slightly grumpy
because it was raining, with my cup of coffee
and a cigarette, and I moved my camping chair
under the tree so that I could get out of the
rain. And you were gambling about in this field.
I was like, no, we are different people. But
none of my clothes were wet when it stopped raining
because I wasn't wearing them. No, that is true.
I'm smart and wise. No, but I was sitting there
thinking, I could be in a B &B eating breakfast
made by a very nice little old lady. right now
and here i am in a tent in a tent in a tent on
a rainy day but anyway we're not talking about
the weather at um a redacted location in in england
no we are not a weather podcast i feel like we
wouldn't have the audience we do if uh if we
were no because we are not meteorologists so
we'd be a bit rubbish we would um we are british
though so talking about the weather is is a skill
of ours True. But instead of talking about the
weather, how about you tell us about your first
experience of Bloodplay Mix? Because I have never
actually asked you this and I do not know. Do
you know what? When I saw the outline 10 minutes
ago, I was trying to think, what was my first
experience with Bloodplay? The first experience
I can remember, I don't think it was my first
ever one, because I think I might have had an
experience a very long time ago. But I think
the one that kind of made me go, oh yeah, I can
do this, was with my ex -partner, who we've talked
about before. when we were planning that visit,
we were like, okay, what things should I bring?
What things should I get to come and do mean
stuff to you? And we were looking at things.
There was a spiky paddle, one with little acupressure
discs on it. And we were both like, ooh, that's
interesting. That looks like fun. Well, actually,
what I think we thought was, ooh, that looks
like it would hurt. Yeah. And didn't really kind
of think through the mess of it. So I got that,
took it with me. One of several things that I
am genuinely to this day surprised I managed
to get through airport security. Because for
anyone who's not listened to the long distance
episode, this was your partner who lived in America.
So you were visiting in America, flying internationally.
Yes. Yeah. And it was all in my suitcase. So
it was all in check luggage. But you know, when
you're kind of just sitting in the airport going,
I'm going to get arrested. I am going to. rot
in an immigration cell somewhere at heathrow
airport and never be seen again um so we managed
to get that into the country and we tried it
out but we tried it out really gently yeah because
we were like yeah it's a bit spiky in it um but
it was really fun and even sort of what now feels
like a really gentle experience had quite a big
effect You really don't need to hit very hard
with those to make a mess. No, and it was really
quite fascinating to have fairly gentle hits
have such a big impact on someone's skin. Yeah.
Because not quite to your level, but she could
take a beating. So, you know, other things I
would hit her with quite hard, that I didn't.
But it was just... It was fascinating more than
anything else to have that outsized effect because
from what I was doing, I don't think she was
mad keen on it. Yeah. To be honest. I think that,
like you were saying before, that kind of different
sensations from different things was, I think
that was quite a lot for her. That's fair. It's
a very unique sensation. So either you're going
to like that or you're really not. Yeah. So I
think that was my formative experience with it.
I have a vague recollection, but I can't remember
what width of several many years ago. But again,
it was kind of fairly gentle, I think. Definitely
wasn't acupressure discs. It might just have
been like a rough surface. Yeah. So really rough
sandpaper kind of thing. So it wasn't so much
hitting as it was scraping. Yeah, you can get
some really nice grazes from stuff like that.
Yeah, so like using a swiping motion rather than
a straight down. Yeah. Listeners, I am miming.
The action, which is just useless. We should
start filming these. On an audio, absolutely
not. No, I will retire. to be fair i really like
it not being on camera because like i have to
wear makeup every day anyway because of our rules
but there are definitely times where we record
the podcast where i'm not looking my best and
it's nice not having to worry about like when
i'm filming for tiktok i have to think do i look
presentable or am i going to post this and get
500 comments asking oh my god are you okay you
look so tired uh yes that is true see there is
there is some benefits to relative anonymity
so yeah i i had some experience before we met
but not loads yeah um and it was yeah it was
one of those really weird experiences where i
definitely enjoyed it more than they did so i
felt a little bit bad about that but was like
yeah i would quite like to do that again that
was that was fun and you did get to do it again
i did get to do it again which leads us in quite
nicely why don't you tell us about your first
experience yeah so my first experience was with
you mix yes obviously you know um holy shit was
it yeah my first time was with you um and it
hadn't been planned we hadn't we hadn't talked
about it um and this wasn't like a negotiating
up mid play thing i mean we hadn't really talked
a lot about the specifics of anything we were
going to do we no met on tinder chatted relatively
briefly i sent a list of what i was into which
is my opening move on a date yes yeah and direction
to the point i appreciated it yeah and and you
were like yeah i'm into all of those things let's
go and we talked a little bit about you know
safety stuff and safe words and all the important
negotiating for a hookup yeah um but the plan
was that you were going to come over bring some
kit i'd already got some kit and we would just
kind of look at what we had and decide what we
wanted to do at the time yeah so you turned up
i showed you my pretty small toy collection that
i had yeah and you showed me what you brought
in your bag yeah and we're like what would you
like to be hit with and because of who i am as
a person i immediately spotted the paddle with
the spikes on yeah and i was like that that looks
like that would break the skin and i genuinely
didn't know that that was a thing that you could
do like i did not know that that was a kink that
existed and i was looking at it and i was like
you know maybe it doesn't actually break the
skin and it looks sharper than it is but i'm
familiar with those acupressure dicks because
i Your acupressure discs. Acupressure dicks.
Oh, I'm going to have to leave that in. Give
you that sweet acupressure dick, baby. I am familiar
with acupressure discs because I have an acupressure
mat. It's so nice. It's so relaxing. It looks
like some kind of torture device. I might like
it because I'm a masochist. yeah because everyone
i know who's not a masochist who's tried them
hates them but i love it it's so good it's so
good for back pain it's so relaxing um so yeah
i was familiar with the discs and they don't
break your skin when you just lie on them on
a mat like that no but i know they're really
sharp so i was looking at it trying to figure
out how is that possible but when i said that
looks like it breaks the skin you're like oh
yeah yeah it does um so i immediately was like
that one Yeah. And you being a responsible sadist
who'd only met me five minutes earlier. Yeah.
Suggested we warm up with some other things and
do some other stuff as well. Yeah. So you hit
me with, I don't remember what, various other
things. Probably the evil one. Yes, I would have
had that. Yeah, I got that before I met you.
And that was your very favourite for a long time.
Yeah. Yeah, the evil one, for anyone who hasn't
heard us talk about this before, I think it's
been a while. It's made out of a car tyre. It's
a strip of rubber with the tread on it. And it
is awful. It stings like fuck. Yeah. Really,
really slappy, really nasty. And it used to bruise
me quite well, but I've moved beyond even being
able to be bruised by that now. No. So yeah,
we played with that. A few thuddier things, and
then you went for the spikes. I'm trying to think
what I had now. I can't remember. Yeah. My collection
at that time was fairly small as well, I think.
Yeah. So anyway, included in there was the spiky
paddle. Yes. So we worked our way up to that.
like looking back at it now you did take it fairly
easy on me but it felt like you were hitting
me pretty fucking hard with it and it was so
cool like i was so into it immediately i was
like a kink unlocked and i got you to send me
the link to it but the one that you have was
sold out so i just searched vampire paddle because
that was what the one you'd got was listed as
yeah i searched vampire paddle on etsy and found
myself one bought one literally i think the next
day yeah and and that was my favorite toy for
about two years it's so good yeah I mean, you
say that, I think looking back on it now, what
we did on that very first hookup was a lot milder
than it is now. Yeah. But it wasn't light. No,
I mean, by our standards, not by any normal standards.
Yeah, you know, I still hit you pretty hard.
I mean, you are right is that I was probably
a little bit more tentative with the vampire
paddle, but that's because I just met you. Yeah.
Didn't really know what you were about. But it
wasn't a light tap. No. But it makes me really
happy that that was your first time doing that.
Yeah. And it unlocked that in you. You're like,
oh, yes, that is something that I want to continue
to do. Yeah. It was a really nice experience
to have, even if that was the only time we'd
ever met. Yeah. It was a really memorable hookup.
Yeah. Yeah. But like having that kind of King
Kong locked effect on someone is just great.
Yeah. You kind of, somebody walks away from an
experience where you go, oh yeah, I'm into that
now. Yeah. Mint. And then to end up in a relationship
with that person. Yeah. Yeah. And that just makes
it even nicer. Yeah. You know, kind of the extra
cherry on the cake kind of, kind of thing. But
it was really good to be like, yeah, I introduced
this new thing to this person and they really
enjoyed it. That's really good. That's really
cool. Yeah. And then I didn't see you again for
two years. And by the time I saw you again, I
had done a lot of blood play. Yeah, you had very
much overtaken me in terms of your experience
since then. Those were our first experiences.
And then when we got together again, we kept
doing more of it. Yeah. I've already mentioned
one of them, but the time we did it, I think
we'd semi -dextred the room, hadn't we? So we
had kind of... plastic sheeting everywhere i
think we just put plastic sheeting on the bed
for the for the first time we did blood play
like first time in a relationship that we did
blood play mix yeah yeah i think because you
hadn't done it like for a properly big messy
scene before and i had been just very chill about
blood getting on things we were a bit like oh
a sheet on the bed will do yeah yeah so we made
quite a mess hadn't really considered the amount
of cast off that there would be um but that was
definitely an escalation from our very first
time yeah together obviously you had been doing
it for a little while but i i think what was
really memorable memorable about that was when
you were covered in blood and then i started
fucking you from behind yeah like that was and
i think i could be wrong but i think that might
be the first time we had sex penetrative sex
could well be because it was pretty early days
wasn't it yeah and we didn't get off to a quick
start with with having sex no uh no your penis
was a little shy yes And at the time, this was
well before I got sterilized and before I got
back on the pill. So we were having to use condoms,
which didn't help with your penis being shy.
No. Your penis would be like, oh, maybe I'm ready
to encounter this unfamiliar hole. And then you're
like, all right, put a bag over your head. Didn't
respond the way I do to that threat. No, my penis
is definitely not into breath play. I think you
could be right. Yeah, I think the bit of blood
was what we needed to... Get you through that
mental block. To wake it up. What a way to have
as your first time having sex with someone. That's
fucking great. But as I said, that really stands
out for me. I don't think I had clocked that
that was the first time that we'd had sex. So
I'm going to assume that it is, which just adds
even more specialness to it. But it was just...
The blood was everywhere. The sheet that we were
using was... a mess you already see it splattered
all over the place on the walls and then i was
having sex it was just mashed in like everywhere
we were both absolutely covered in it yeah it
was like i said before it's that really sort
of animalistic edge to it which sticks out in
my head quite a lot yeah i really like that and
we have done that since we've done that a few
times but it's always a nice bonus if we get
to have bloody sex afterwards yes yes but what
about you what are some of your other memorable
blood play experiences so all the ones with you
are amazing but seeing as you were not able to
share these i want to talk about a couple from
before i met you yeah well not before i met you
you introduced me to blood play and then i didn't
see you for two years and in that time i did
some shit yes um so one of them was i went on
a night out with a couple a kinky couple and
i played with one of them before and we we had
plans that we were going to play that night including
some blood play and we did a cnc threesome scene
where one of them restrained me while the other
one did sex things to me while i pretended i
didn't like it um but as part of that they were
sort of torturing me with things to get me to
cooperate so like open your legs or else and
then something would happen um so that's i mean
the whole scene was just unhinged um that's where
the line of scars down between my boobs comes
from because there's a point of that where every
time i was uncooperative i got another burned
down in that line right and i've got a line like
all the way down my chest that's still there
now this is best part of four years ago um but
there was also bloody impact involved and they
were using the vampire paddle that i bought for
myself yeah to hit me on my butt and my thighs
and a little bit on my upper back i think um
and it just splattered everywhere because i'd
had a few drinks i'm not advising that that's
a good idea to drink and then play with people
particularly people you don't know super well
it was early days for me and i was still figuring
out my my risk profile yeah but if you've been
drinking your blood gets really thin so it didn't
take a lot for it to just go everywhere it went
at least eight feet across the room from the
back swing on the paddle um and it was again
that sort of animalistic nature of it when you're
combining all of this stuff together just felt
like we were on another planet it was great and
another one that was really memorable for me
was a scene that uh me and my ex did with me
and another person who who we were friends with
at the time who'd been at a party of ours where
my ex was taking it in turns cutting both of
us and cut sort of row of lines across like our
backs and tummies yeah like alternating between
us with a clean scalpel for each person and being
really careful of cross -contamination but like
it was just really quite chill and quite giggly
but also Yeah, really quite intense. Quite intense,
yeah. So those were highlights. I think my favourite
of ours is the birthday scene that we're going
to talk about in a little bit. Yes. That and
our first time having sex being covered in blood.
Those are the best. Yeah, I would agree. The
birthday scene is probably my favourite out of
all of them. But we will talk about that. We
will. Stick around and find out about the birthday
scene. The birthday scene. So I wanted to talk
a little bit about some of the methods of getting
blood out. Mix. Yes. We've talked a lot about
spiky impact. I think it's safe to say that's
our favourite. That's the thing that we do the
most of within the bloody. Yeah, definitely.
And we've got quite a lot of stuff to do that
with. So the vampire paddle that you first hit
me with is still in our collection. You still
have that one. Yes, I do. The vampire paddle
I bought for myself is not because it was considerably
cheaper. And from getting soaked in my blood
on a regular basis for two years, by the time
me and my ex split up, it was in very bad condition.
Yes. It was really warped and it wasn't designed
very well. Like you couldn't clean properly under
the spikes without taking them off, which I didn't
always do. So they'd got a little bit discoloured.
So seeing as I was moving in with someone who
had a vampire paddle, I got rid of it at that
stage. But yeah, we've got a vampire paddle.
I went through a phase of attaching those little
acupressure discs to... anything that i could
get anything good yeah um so we've got a spatula
with them on which is horrible because it's so
light it's really slappy along with the bloodiness
so that's one where if you're wanting to really
up the intensity you use that yeah but on the
flip side it's also a safer toy to use on more
delicate areas because it's not going to penetrate
as deep and it's not heavy enough to sort of
like cause deep bruising and things like that
yeah so that's really good for my upper back
and like the backs of my lower legs and backs
of my arms and things like that you're not going
to risk causing any damage to the important stuff
there yeah it's like a really light wooden spatula
isn't it which yeah added the spikes to and i
used to have i think this fell apart but i had
one that i'd made out of piece of canvas board
that was even lighter i'd cut a strip of canvas
board and attach some of the spikes to the end
of it um and that was the time where it was before
we were living together but i had a camera in
my bedroom and you were checking in on me on
the camera and saw me sitting on my bed holding
the canvas board between my feet and sawing through
it with the saw directed towards my crotch yes
and you just thought No, I'm not staying for
this. I'm not observing this anymore. No. Yeah,
I think that I think it was a little bit too
flimsy, wasn't it? Yeah. canvas board wasn't
sturdy enough to kind of stand up to much. Yeah,
I think it would work better with something like
hardboard, like some kind of really thin wood.
I think the canvas board was too flimsy. Yeah.
But it was fun while it lasted. Yeah, yeah. But
the coolest thing I made during that phase was
the spiked baseball bat. Yes. Which is a baseball
bat covered in the acupressure discs. Yes. That
is really quite impressive. Yeah. And it feels
lovely because that's got a real thud to it as
well as the warm sensation because I love being
hit with bats anyway. And that's a really nice,
I got a really good quality bat for it. And because
it penetrates so deep, they're still tiny little
punctures because they're tiny little spikes,
but they're deep punctures because they're being
pushed so far down into the fat. So yeah, I love
that. It's a scene finisher. Yeah, it's a really
heavy bat, isn't it? So yeah, that's like the
last thing, generally the last thing we would
use. Yeah. in a scene. Yeah, because once you
start getting a lot of blood on the surface of
the skin, especially once it starts to clot,
it's really hard to tell what is blood and what
is punctures. Yeah. So it's hard to monitor how
much damage you're doing and be safe. So once
we start playing with the bat, it gets too messy
to be safe quite fast. Yeah. But as a sort of
five minute finisher at the end of a scene, it
is amazing. We've also got a curry comb. Yeah.
I'm a big fan of that because that makes such
cool marks. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I kind of
meant when I was saying earlier on about liking
the different patterns that they make. So curry
combs are used for horses. They are for brushing
like dried crusty mud off horses mix. Yeah. Yeah.
But it's a series of circular serrated metal,
which I imagine the horses quite like. yeah um
but it's good for hitting people with as as well
but yeah really like the patterns that it makes
especially if you're kind of in repeatedly in
the same spot you're kind of making the pattern
on the on the skin but also it's all it's it's
fascinating how the blood comes up from that
like with the acupressure discs it's pretty much
immediate yeah but with the curry comb it kind
of builds a little bit it takes a little bit
longer for it to come up to the surface that's
cool i didn't realize that because you always
use it on because it's quite hefty you use it
on the butt or the back of the thighs so i never
get to see that until it's done yeah yeah um
it's one of those it's a little bit like the
spatula because that's so light and i use it
on less fleshy parts of your body the the blood
doesn't come up immediately yeah and it's the
same with the curry comb you can be hitting with
it and then not seeing very much and then all
of a sudden it just starts to kind of bloom out
of the skin and then you see the patterns that
you've made with it yeah it's it's good fun to
use yeah one of the toys that we have that is
so fancy is we've got a paddle from a maker called
fetish woodcraft that do like they do some just
wooden stuff without spikes as well and all of
their stuff is absolutely gorgeous it's so high
quality so well polished so pretty like they're
really beautiful designs uh so we've got one
of their paddles that has some probably about
a centimeter maybe slightly over yeah metal spikes
on it absolutely razor sharp um and it's a very
lightweight wood and it's got holes drilled through
it to reduce the the air resistance when you're
hitting yeah so it's even if you didn't have
spikes on it like it's got a smooth side to it
the side where the spikes aren't you can just
use that as like the nastiest paddle that you
could possibly hit someone with um but the side
with the spikes obviously they go pretty deep
and yeah that's a lot of fun yeah it's just stunning
isn't it and and i think that's like we leave
it in the bag and we wash it separately and because
like when we've done a bloody impact scene we'll
kind of throw everything in the bath and then
one of us has a shower and cleans it but that
one gets special attention yeah very careful
wipe down um because it was flippin expensive
yeah it's probably the most expensive toy we
own yeah yeah yeah but absolutely stunning really
really beautiful yeah i remember us both looking
at it and you being because i was looking for
a present for you and we were looking at things
and you're like don't get that it's too expensive
yeah yeah but the rule is that i don't need your
permission to spend money on you so i simply
toddled back and got it ignored me and went and
got it anyway and then i felt bad because you
were like this is gorgeous and i love it but
i'm a little bit scared of using it and it stayed
in the bag for about two months and i was like
oh no they weren't saying don't buy it because
it's expensive they were saying don't buy it
because they don't want it but you came around
you just needed some time to process the horror
that you have been presented with. Yeah, because
the spikes look huge. They are only a centimetre.
It's not like they're penetrating right into
your body kind of thing. But it's quite an intimidating
thing to wield for the first time. Yeah. Big
step up from the little acupressure discs. Definitely.
Yeah, yeah. But it's amazing. It's another one
that can be a bit of a scene ender though. We
also have the barbecue cleaning brush. Yes. Which
is, as an impact toy, for being just hit with
it, it's not as bad as you might think. It's
definitely more challenging than some of the
spiky toys. It's a very sharp, scratchy pain.
But being hit with it is okay. But you sometimes
like to brush me with it. Yeah. So this is a
long -handled brush, and if you think about what
a scrubbing brush would look like, but instead
of having plastic on the end, it's all millimeter
-ish thick metal. In clumps. So it's properly
designed for cleaning burnt on stuff on a well
-used barbecue. Or for scrubbing your pig. Or
for scrubbing the pig, yeah. And I really like
scratching you with that. That's always amazing
fun. Right on my ribs, usually. Yeah, yeah. Doesn't
usually create a lot of blood. Scratching with
it doesn't, no. Using it that way. But hitting
you with it does. Yeah. And again, it makes really
cool patterns. Yeah, it's almost like a diamondy
pattern from that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But
the Fetch Woodcraft one is good for scratching
as well. Yeah. I've done that a few times. Fairly
lightly as well. Kind of scratching it over your
skin. You wouldn't want to press hard and scratch
with that because it would just start taking
chunks out of me and then we'd have to go to
the hospital and explain ourselves. Yeah. But
we've got a new one as well that we haven't tried.
Similar to the barbecue brush. Oh, shit, yeah,
I forgot. It's another barbecue cleaning brush,
but a different shape. Yeah, yeah. It looks sort
of like the things you would use to clean a window
with, shape -wise. It's like a handle with a
stick and then a triangle shape of wire. Yeah,
yeah. But the wire is all wrapped around in these
thin metal wires sticking out. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Oh, we've not tried that yet? No, we should.
We should try that. It's a similar sort of use,
I think, either scratchy or hitty. Yeah, both
of those from Ikea. Yes. We buy a lot of kink
toys from Ikea. The kitchen section at Ikea is
where all the good shit is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There are definitely some perverts working for
Ikea. Yeah. Well, there was that little... I
have no idea what it was actually meant to be
for, but what it is is a wooden... about the
size of a wooden spoon, but instead of the spoon
bit, it is a hand shape. Yeah. With a hole in
the middle. So you've got a hand shape with reduced
airflow. Yeah. A perfect size to hit someone
with. What on earth is that for if not smacking
the shit out of someone? They know what they're
about. Yeah. They know what half the people wandering
around Ikea on a Saturday afternoon are really
doing in the kitchen utensil. There was a video
about getting kink toys from Ikea that made me
TikTok famous, Mix. Oh, was it? My first viral
video was me holding up a bunch of kitchen implements.
Nice. From Ikea. and like i captioned it something
like when people say you can't get all your kink
toys from ikea yeah excellent stuff amazing work
um is that everything that we've got it's everything
i can remember right now mix we have got a lot
of things though that aren't i wouldn't call
them like bloody impact toys but if you use them
right can draw blood so the knife steel is one
because it's got a rough surface if you just
hit straight down straight up with it it tends
not to but if you either use it for a long time
and it sort of breaks the skin down or if you
kind of hit and drag it will graze yeah we've
got a little zester That's never actually broken
the skin on me, but I think if you, if you zested
me thoroughly enough, it would. Yeah. I feel
like we've got more. Oh my God. We nearly forgot
the meat tenderizers. Do they count as bloody?
Yes. Mix the spiky sides do. Yes, they do. You're
forgetting they have spiky sides. Yeah. So the
meat tenderizers have both got a flat side, which
is really good for just deep thuddy impact, but
they also have a spiky side. The metal one has
quite sharp, but quite small. metal spikes on
it yeah and the uh plastic or rubber one we've
got has got bigger chunkier blunt spikes but
both break the skin because the plastic one is
so heavy even those blunt spikes they're causing
such uneven pressure to the skin they can break
the skin which is the other thing like there's
a lot of ways that people draw blood from impact
play that aren't using toys that you would expect
to break the skin at all yeah because if you
hit someone hard with something quite heavy and
it's got an uneven surface it's putting that
pressure on different areas of the skin so we've
had times obviously a lot of events don't allow
you to do bloody play or if they do they they
want you to dex to the room and there's been
times where we've had to stop a scene at an event
because you were hitting me with something that
should not draw blood and suddenly i'm bleeding
yeah especially because i've got scars on my
butt from Various perversions. That creates weak
spots. So if you hit one of those with the corner
of something, it's going to split. Yeah. The
Venator as well. Yeah. One of our Venators has
got like a spiky, like ridged side to it. Yeah.
The one thing that we forgot was vampire gloves.
Oh yes, because that's a new purchase. Yes. Oh
my God, the vampire gloves. the first time we
played with those you spanked me with them on
and then fucked me while gripping my hips and
squeezing and that was my favourite that was
so good I can't believe I forgot to mention that
that was so good I want to do that again can
we do that again Mix? maybe tonight Mix maybe
Now mix. Fuck the podcast. But yeah, vampire
gloves for anyone who's not familiar with them.
It's a pair of, they're generally leather. Ours
are leather gloves where the palms of the hands
are covered in little tiny metal spikes. And
they do tend to be tiny. Like the spikes on ours
are very, very little. But they don't need to
be big to work really well because you've got
so much more fine control with a glove. You can
really like squeeze. You can spank really hard.
You can really drive them in. Yes. You could
finger me. I don't think that would be a good
idea. Not very rack of us. Not very rack of you,
no. My abiding memory, however, of using those
vampire gloves for the first time, because you're
right, we had sex the first time that we used
them. So I had the gloves on and I was hitting
you with these gloves, which I knew were spiked,
had spikes on them. And then I was maneuvering
you around and then I went to put my penis in
you. And I mistakenly decided I'm going to use
my hand to guide my penis in. Perfectly normal
thing to do in any other circumstance. But for
some reason, in my lust, I had forgotten I was
wearing basically nails on my hand. Grab it and
give it a good squeeze. Yeah, yeah. It was not
a fun. It was not a fun experience for me and
it's just yet another example that I am definitely
not a masochist because there are some people
who are listening to this who'd be like, oh yeah,
that sounds just heavenly. Yes, please. I did
not enjoy that experience. No, you made quite
a noise. But it didn't scare your penis off,
which shows how far we've come from when your
penis was scared of me. Now it's not even scared
of vampire gloves. So that's our kit. Yeah. But
there are other things that people use to get
blood out. Yeah. So a big one is needles. We
actually tried some needle stuff recently. We
did. And this is going to shock everyone. We
found something I don't like. We did. I was really
surprised. Yeah, I was really surprised. It has
been many, many years since I found a kink I
didn't like. And I'm not writing off needles
yet, but what we tried, because Mix is a little
bit wary about placing needles, like the fine
control needed for placing needles is quite intimidating
and requires... Not, I think, as much skill as
people think it does, but definitely requires
some skill and some being taught. We got chatting
to the makers behind Spiky Shit, who are definitely
worth checking out. They make some really cool
Spiky Shit, about being curious about trying
needles, but that little bit of fear you had.
And they recommended a needle paddle that they
make. Yes. And they said, you know, with this,
you don't really have to worry about precision.
You don't really have to worry about precision
as much. You load the needles into the paddle.
It's like two pieces of plastic. It comes apart.
You slot needles into it, put it back together.
And then you've got a paddle with needles sticking
out of it. And then you can take it apart, get
rid of the needles and put fresh ones in. So
you're not reusing the needles over and over.
And as long as you're using it on a fleshy area,
you don't have to worry quite so much about where
you're placing them. So it's a good way to experience
needles without having to do needles. Yeah. So
that seemed like a really good entry point for
us. Yeah. And you liked it. You found a way to
enjoy needles. But I fucking hated how it felt.
And it wasn't just like, oh, it's too intense
for me. I just didn't like the feeling. There's
no way of dialing that up or down where I'm going
to be like, now it's good. I just immediately
was like, oh, no, no, don't like it. So possibly
sharps. I mean, I've done staples before and
I like staples, but possibly needles aren't for
me or possibly that's just not the way that I
enjoy needles. More experimentation needed. Yeah.
But we didn't like that one. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
I didn't like that one. You did, unfortunately.
You got two hits with it. Yeah, I enjoyed it
in that I enjoyed hitting you. And again, it
was one of those where it was dead interesting
because you do the hit and then nothing happens.
Yeah. And then shortly after, the blood starts
to kind of bloom out of the various holes. Yeah.
So, yeah, I enjoyed doing that. And the marks
were beautiful. I wish I could tolerate it because
it was almost worth it for the marks. Yeah. Because
at first they were just tiny little red pinpricks.
But because they're so deep, obviously, we use
quite short needles, but you're still going a
lot deeper than any of the other spiky toys we
use. Yeah. There's a lot of blood like inside
the wound, basically. And you've got I got these
beautiful little round bruises around all of
them. And then after that was mostly healed,
we did a thuddy impact scene about a week later.
And that brought those all back up again. Yeah.
And it was so cool. But I just. Yeah. Yeah. And
I think that's valid. It's, you know, 20. What
kind of needles are they? They were 21 gauge
and they were a short length. I can't remember
the length mix, but one of the shorter lengths.
Yeah, yeah. So I'm not surprised that that was
intense. I do wonder whether or not filling it
up as much as we could with needles was maybe
not the smartest way to start. Because there
was like 20 in there, wasn't there? Yeah. but
then again i don't know if if it was deeply unpleasant
with 20 it might as well have been deeply unpleasant
with yeah it didn't feel like a kind of sensation
i would enjoy even if we could turn the intensity
down and it was one that usually if you hit me
with something spiky as soon as it's not actively
hitting me the pain starts to reduce yeah i'm
still gonna feel that sort of tender warm sunburny
feeling but it's immediately going down in intensity
yeah where that the the needle paddle it hurt
more as you pulled it out and then continued
to hurt more and more for about 30 seconds afterwards
yeah and i did not like that no it's it's like
a pain you can't opt out of which is sometimes
fun but sometimes not sometimes not yeah no but
that's not the only way that people can use needles
is it and we've mentioned a couple of times but
mark in in the episode that he did with us a
few weeks ago talks in more detail about how
you can use needles in different ways and get
blood out of people yeah or just to inflict the
sensation and the pain yeah um because needles
needles don't inherently have to be blood played
there's generally you can't guarantee you're
not going to see any blood and we talked about
this again on mark's episode but a lot of the
time you're going to see very little blood if
you're using small needles in areas that don't
bleed particularly heavily that's not going to
be the focus but you can use them to make a big
bloody mess if you want to. Things like needles
in ears and the scalp tend to be really, really
big bleeders. Or like using large size needles,
you'll get a lot of blood. So people choose their
needles based on whether they want to see a lot
of blood or they're trying to avoid seeing a
lot of blood. I have also done quite a lot of
scalpel play in the past. That's not something
we've done. No. It's definitely something I'd
be up for again, but I think that's something,
again, you're a little bit nervous of how technical
it is. I think it's probably less the technical.
of it it's more the delicateness of the touch
that is required yeah for it that kind of worries
me a little bit about you know whether would
i be too either too heavy -handed or not heavy
-handed enough yeah and that is the really hard
thing to get right um because we're talking about
surgical scalpels so they they are specifically
designed to be able to cut quite deep yeah because
if you're going to operate on someone you've
got to cut quite deep This will probably not
surprise you at all, given how resilient I am
in various ways. My skin is unusually tough and
it's actually quite hard to cut me with a scalpel.
Found this out when me and Hope were together.
She'd done scalpel play before and I was curious
about it. So we gave it a go. And she said exactly
what you just said there. You need a really light
touch for it. So she was barely putting any pressure
on it first. And it does take a minute for blood
to come up when you're cut with a scalpel. So
she sort of dragged it across me and was looking
at it. It was like, it'll come up in a second.
It'll come up in a second. She was like, hmm,
maybe I didn't put quite enough pressure on.
Did another one with slightly more pressure.
Was looking at it again like, where is your blood?
And it ended up turning out that with the scalpels
that we had, she had to put... quite a lot of
really quite firm pressure on to get through
the skin and we ended up changing to a different
shape scalpel blade yeah um and found that that
worked a little better but still apparently i
need two or three times the pressure that that
most people do right to get a decent cut right
that doesn't surprise me at all knowing you nuts
yeah no um just fucking wolverine over here um
but no it's something that i am kind of interested
in and fascinated by and i enjoy seeing it when
i see it um but yeah it's just it makes makes
me a little bit nervous yeah it's something to
do a lot of reading and attend classes if you
can if it's something that you're interested
in because my experience of being quite hard
to cut is not typical scalpels usually you you
barely push them against someone's skin and you
break it yeah um And even with me, once you push
hard enough to get it through the skin, it then
doesn't take a lot more pressure for it to go
deeper than you wanted it to. Yeah. So you still
have to be really consistent with your pressure.
Once you find the right pressure, you can't be
sort of leaning on and off it. Yeah. Because
that's where issues happen. Yeah, yeah. And I've
definitely had scenes that I've done where nothing
went wrong. Like, this is a problem and I need
to seek medical attention. But where we've had
to pause playing to grab some SteriStrips and...
have a little look at it and make sure that things
were okay before we did anything else yeah because
it's not unless you are a surgeon you're not
going to be 100 perfect with it yeah and even
if you are i don't know probably surgeons aren't
either no probably not but another thing that
you mentioned earlier on was period sex yeah
um which like is it blood play is it not you
are playing with blood i suppose i think it's
it's definitely about the intention for me if
you are just horny and on your period and you
just chuck a towel a towel down yeah i wouldn't
necessarily say that's blood play if you're trying
to ignore it rather than actively play with it
yeah the blood just happens to be there yeah
um but if that's part of the point for you which
it definitely is for me with period sex yeah
i still get a little bit of dysphoria around
my period and i think that's part of it for me
is the sort of humiliation the discomfort it's
like look at what your body's doing yeah look
at it um there's something always exciting about
seeing blood for me so that's part of it and
something about kind of feeling a bit gross you
know there's a lot of stigma around period sex
yeah so that is something that i find quite fun
so for me it definitely counts as it counts as
something anyway it's not just sex and this is
something we're definitely i've got we're in
the early stages of planning an episode all about
like period play period sex attitudes to that
and stuff right so we're not gonna dive too deep
into it today because we want to save something
for that episode yeah but i did just want to
touch on it's so interesting you introduced me
to blood play yeah but i introduced you to that
blood play yes you did because you were very
much like no no when you're on your period you
get a hot water bottle and some chocolates and
you sit down and i do not bother you with my
penis yeah and i was like But you could bother
me with your business. Yeah, yeah. But that's
because that's what I've been taught. Yeah. Is
what you do. Yeah. Very respectful of you. I
just don't like to be respected. Yeah, true.
That's a fair point. So we've mentioned a couple
of times that we did a special scene for my birthday
this year, Mick. Do you want to tell us about
it? Yes, we did. It was amazing. So we were on
our way to an event down in Birmingham. It's
an event that we go to semi -regularly. Yeah,
when we can get there, it's quite a trek. It
is quite a trek. Requires at least one overnight
stay. A Premier Inn breakfast. Oh, yes. Big up
the Premier Inn. Sponsor us, please. Sponsor
us with breakfast. With breakfast. Yeah, free
breakfast. But one of the really cool... So this
event is one where essentially you can do anything
you want. with with very few exceptions very
permissive event which is which is really great
and one of the things that they offer to people
who go is um the murder cube yes um which is
an amazing name for it but it's basically a gazebo
with loads of plastic sheeting around it where
you can do um blood plate so they set it up in
one of the rooms that they've got it's it's it's
see -through plastic so people can see what you're
doing but you can go into the murder cube and
you can do as much bloody stuff as you want and
all they ask is that you clean up a little bit
afterwards and we've wanted to do that like the
previous couple of times we've gone but it's
always been oh shit we should have asked for
the murder cube to be set up because you have
to book the murder you have to book them because
they don't just set it up automatically they
kind of do it on demand so we wanted to do a
bloody impact scene so we reached out to them
they said yes we will set up the murder queue
for you brilliant and we essentially took almost
all of our spiky things in a big bag and the
intention was to hit you as many times as I could
in as many places as I could with all of those
those bloody things i can't remember which of
us ended up coming up with the idea that because
i was turning 36 it would be 36 hits with each
thing because that wasn't when we booked the
murder cube that wasn't the plan but sometime
before we left it became the plan yeah yeah i
would love to take credit for that but it is
also the kind of thing that you would say Yeah.
Could easily have been either of us. But it wasn't
just like a free form beating, was it? We talked
through it in quite a bit of detail because you've
got the different things that we've got do different
things. They're different weights. They're different
sized spikes on them. So we went through quite
a bit of discussion about what would be appropriate
to use on which part of your body. Yeah. You
asked me a lot for my input on that. And it's
not that you don't know what's safe to use where.
it's that there's sort of an order of preference
or an order of risk for all of them and it wasn't
just a case of okay so this this and this can
be used on your back and everything can be used
on your butt we had to pick one toy per area
yeah so it was figuring out not just which were
okay for each area but which were the best ones
for each area and making sure that we didn't
end up with an area left and a toy left that
didn't go together yeah so that was a lot of
the sort of strategizing on the way down so it
was a little bit like a jigsaw wasn't it kind
of working out where to where to use what um
you just wanted to be a bloody mess by the end
of it yes mix um And I think we did a pretty
good job. We did an excellent job. Like I say,
on the drive down, we kind of talked it through
in quite a bit of detail. And I made some notes
when we got to the hotel. Made sure I took a
pen with me so I could cross off the things that
we'd done. But we managed to kind of cover, I
think, all around your thighs. So front of your
thighs, back of your thighs, outer and inside
of your thighs. With different toys. Did your
butt. Obviously, because obviously. We did your
shoulders and the tops of your arms. A little
bit on the tops of my arms, but I made a giant
fuss about it. So it was the same toy for my
upper back and tops of arms, but you mostly focused
on my upper back because I was hootling and fussing
most severely. Yeah. I have your notes here.
So you used the barbecue brush. You had noted
that you could use it for scratching my back,
but you didn't. You used that on my inner thighs.
You used the spatula on my back and a little
bit of tops of the arms. You used the vampire
paddle on the outer part of my butt, sort of
like the curve over onto my hip. You used the
curry comb on the outsides of my thighs. Yep.
You used the fetish woodcraft paddle. On the
front of my thighs. And you used the baseball
bat with spikes to finish with on my butt. Yes,
I did. On the main meat of my butt. On the main
meat of your... Which is pretty much the only
place you can use that because it's so heavy.
I've got a big butt. You can swing it hard. Yeah.
You've got a juicy butt. Because a scratcher
wouldn't have been very... Using it as a scratcher
wouldn't have produced a lot of blood. And I
wanted to produce a lot of blood. Yes. And I
did. You did. I did. So we used 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
6 different things, 36 times with each thing.
That is a ridiculous number of times being hit.
I'm going to get my calculator. It's not maths
that I can do. I think 720. 36 times 6, 216.
216. Why did I think it was 720? Because you're
not good at maths. Because I'm not very good
at maths. No. But that is a lot of time to be
punctured. It is. And you made me count them
as well, which was super hard. Yes, I did. Yes,
I did. That was a fun thing to... to do yeah
and gathered quite an audience as well yeah which
i don't think you were prepared for because we've
played at that event a lot and we don't tend
to play very much in the sort of the the main
there's a lot of play spaces in the main bar
area where people tend to gather you tend not
to want to play there so we go into one of the
various dungeon rooms or the other little side
rooms there are yeah people at that event don't
seem to wander around and stand in doorways very
much so if you pick one of the smaller rooms
People maybe stick their head in every now and
again, but you don't gather a crowd. Yeah. The
murder cube is obviously a crowd pleaser. And
we knew a couple of people who were there. Yes.
And they were excited to see us play. And when
we told them what we were doing, they obviously
knew a lot of other people at the event and have
gone around rounding people up being like, you
got to see this. You want to come see this. So
we had probably eight to 10 people all sitting
on a sofa across from us watching. Yeah. Because
it was in the area because they have an area
set up specifically for sharps play, don't they?
Yeah. So I think I assumed it would be pretty
quiet. Yeah. Because it usually is pretty chill
up there. So I thought, yeah, it might be a couple
of people. The two people that we knew would
come along. But yeah, there was quite a crowd
for it. And they seemed to enjoy it, which was
always nice. But yeah, it is a little bit nerve
wracking being observed doing that sort of thing.
I still have this fear that especially an event
like that. where it is very much targeted at
what people would usually describe as kind of
heavy players or edge players, I still have this
worry that I'm going to be exposed as a charlatan.
Yeah. You're not doing that right. Stop doing
it and leave. I still have that worry in the
back of my head when there's a bit of a crowd,
especially people that I don't know. But that
didn't happen, so that's nice. I was allowed
to stay. And they liked it, yeah. And people
enjoyed it. But it was quite a fun, it was very
mean. I was going to say it was quite a fun scene.
I'm not sure you would describe all of it as
being a fun experience. I would still describe
it as fun. It was very lighthearted and very
giggly. And a lot of it was stuff that I really
physically enjoyed. Some of it you were definitely
pushing me pretty hard, which I like. So yeah,
there were times when I was very hootly and wriggly.
few tears i think but yeah all in the ways that
i enjoy and it had peaks and troughs there were
some areas of my body and some toys that were
which is nice especially like finishing off with
the bat i was just like oh yes some of the really
mean stuff you've done oh yes yeah and i going
back to the audience thing i think that was quite
fun as well because i i kind of got everything
out We went into the murder queue, got all of
the things out of the bag and lined them up.
But I don't think people had necessarily seen
everything. Yeah. Or not kind of paid close attention
to it. So when we got to the end and I was getting
ready to use a baseball bat, I picked it up and
there was this like, ooh. Yeah. From the people
who were watching, which was really nice. Yeah.
It's like, holy shit. That's so cool. But it
was great. It's such a good thing for them to
organise as well. A lot of the events that we've
been to wouldn't entertain that sort of thing.
Yeah, there's a lot of events that don't allow
blood at all. And a lot that do are like, yes,
but bring your own set up. So if you're willing
to spend half an hour dexter in one of their
rooms, you can do it there. But they're not going
to do it, which is fair enough. So it's really
nice that they accommodate like that. Yeah, yeah.
because there was that other event that we went
to where we thought about doing some blood play
and then we got there and thought we cannot we
cannot dexter this space yeah we cannot there's
no way that we'd be able to create a space where
we're not just going to get blood everywhere
yeah and that event does allow blood play but
i think they're more thinking of things like
needles and scalpels where you just put down
a plastic sheet and you sit on it and do stuff
yeah um because we'd sort of cleared with them
we could do some blood play and that yeah yeah
yeah and then when we got there we were chatting
to the organizer and saying like i'm not sure
we could properly dexter this space and she was
like oh yeah no i don't think you could do that
yeah no so it's it's allowed but if you can work
with the limitations of the space yeah yeah yeah
and it's an amazing space yeah really really
really nice yeah um venue and you can but you
can understand why they don't want people swinging
bloody baseball bats around in their really nicely
appointed and decorated dungeon um so we had
a great time And then you died, essentially.
Yeah. Took me back to the hotel, filled me full
of pizza. And I lay and sort of like deliriously
chunted at you for a bit. Yeah, yeah. Because
we didn't do anything after that, did we? We
did a little bit of a warm -up impact beforehand
so that you weren't going into it completely
cold. Yeah. And because it was my birthday, you
treated me and we did the warm -up on the dance
floor, which is where I like to play best. Because
I do like an audience. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Although there wasn't loads of people. No. It
wasn't massively busy at that time, which I think
probably helped. Yeah. Because it's huge, isn't
it? Even if there's a lot of people there, that
venue is massive. Yeah, people, once they all
start going to play, they spread right out. So
it can feel quite empty, even if there's like
50 odd people there. So yeah, I had a great time.
That was your birthday treat, was to get hit.
How many? 30 times? I've closed my calculator
now. 200 and something mix. Yeah, and bleeding
all over the place. I really enjoyed it. I really
liked the, it's not quite mad science, but that
deliberately deciding to use particular things
on particular parts of your body, partly because
it's safe for what we were doing, but also thinking
about the effect that it will have on you. Oh
yes, if I hit you there with this, then that
will definitely draw a lot of blood or it will
draw interesting blood. I really enjoyed doing
that. 10 out of 10 would recommend to a friend.
Well, how about you? How did you feel about it?
I really liked it. It makes it was a brilliant
birthday. Yeah. Just all of it. Like I always
get really excited about you taking me a place
for my birthday. and we we had this last year
where you took me to the same event and yeah
the same premiere and and i got really emotional
at breakfast on the last day like oh my god i
can't believe you took me away for my birthday
and paid for a hotel and paid for me to go to
the event and all of this stuff and you're like
yeah it's your birthday that's normal and i was
like no you don't understand it's so good um
and i was i don't think i cried this time apart
from when you were hitting me um but uh but i
felt the same way it's like i don't know i have
i have not been in the position in relationships
before to feel really spoiled by a partner and
that's not like i'm not saying that in a shady
way most of my relationships i've been the the
main earner yeah so that's the way that that
that worked is that i was the one who could do
the spoiling and i really like doing that too
so i've never been mad about it but i didn't
really know that that was a thing that i was
missing until I was able to experience it and
it's really nice. Yeah, I understand that. And
if that's not been your experience, then it is
what it is. I just think it makes me chuckle
a little bit because it's like, yeah, I'm taking
you away, booking a hotel and going to an event.
And last year we went to the BBB as well, the
Birmingham Bazaar Bazaar. Yeah. uh as well but
like last year when you were getting emotional
at breakfast i was like it's a premiere in it
like it's not all that you know i genuinely love
a premiere in breakfast like we joke about it
i it is the best place for breakfast for me and
for many years of my life i could not afford
a premiere in breakfast yeah like it's i don't
ever take things for granted especially when
someone's doing a nice thing for me but but opportunities
that i have in life that i didn't used to have
i'm always very glad to have Yeah. No, I get
that. I get that. Sorry, I wasn't trying to minimise
your feelings about it. It was just from my perspective,
it's like, it's a premiere inn. I know. It's
not that flash. Yeah. So yes, that was our bloody
birthday adventure. Yes. And it was a great time.
Yes. So we should probably talk about some safety
stuff. yeah probably be a bit rack of us for
once yeah probably should have started there
no it's good because at the end like this is
the point where if people have never like me
the first time i met you didn't know such a thing
could be done yes and now after an hour an hour
and a half whatever it's been been like oh that
is a thing that could be done i'm gonna do this
now is the point where we hit them with the information
that is true so as we always say Don't just learn
from us. If you want to try anything that we
talk about on this podcast, I recommend classes.
I recommend looking up professional kink educators.
I recommend learning from multiple sources. That's
always your first safety tip for anything. Yes.
Because we will have blind spots. We will have
things that we don't know or have chosen to take
an informed risk with and learning from people
who do things in different ways will teach you
different things. Yes. So a big one is infection
risk. And that's both blood -borne viruses. When
your blood comes out, other people are going
to potentially be exposed to it. And if you've
got something, they can get it. But also just
like normal infections. So if you're breaking
the skin. there's a risk of any kind of bacteria
in the environment can then enter your skin,
whether that's from the toys, the furniture you're
sitting on, from your partner, you could get
infections. All of the stuff that we've talked
about, even the stuff I was talking about that
I did with my ex -partner with cutting, it's
very superficial and quite small wounds. You're
not actually getting dissected. So that reduces
that risk somewhat if you've got a healthy immune
system and you allow it to bleed freely and you
keep it clean afterwards. I've never had an infection
from any kind of blood play, but that doesn't
mean that no one will. And definitely if you've
got other health factors that increase your risk
of infection, then that can. But blood -borne
viruses is a big one. If your blood is leaving
your body and it gets into someone's mouth, it
gets into someone's eyes, it gets on someone's
genitals, it gets into an open wound on their
body, especially if you're playing with multiple
bottoms in a blood play scene, those risks are
very, very high. That's going to be your highest
rate of transmission for any blood -borne viruses
if you're actually splashing visible quantities
of blood into another person. So testing regularly
is important. um if you are in a completely monogamous
relationship and you're only doing blood play
with one person you may not need a particularly
sort of um frequent testing schedule but it's
still worth doing at least every now and again
and certainly if you're doing this with multiple
people in public venues you know having sex with
multiple partners even if you're only doing blood
play with one think a lot about testing so that
you know what your actual risk is to your best
of your ability um and toys that are going to
break the skin or have ever broken someone's
skin The ideal sort of top tier safety is that
toy is never used on another person. Once it's
broken the skin, it's monogamously bonded to
that one person. So you could be hit by loads
of different people with it, but the person who's
being hit is the only person who can be hit with
it. We do a slightly... within our risk profile
step down version of that where we have toys
that have been used on more than one person but
with the sharp parts removed and replaced with
fresh ones yeah um so a lot of our toys have
got those acupressure spikes which are attached
on with a little screw through the center you
can unscrew those take them off throw them away
and put fresh spikes and fresh screws on so the
toy itself will have touched blood from multiple
people but the toy itself isn't penetrating the
skin it's still not the safest way to do it there
is still an element of risk there which is why
really clear consent and communication is important
around that so when you've used the toys um on
your ex -partner use them on me and use them
on someone else you played with a year or so
ago yep you talked that through and said this
this has been used are you okay with that yeah
um And there's always the option to just buy
completely new toys. Bloodborne viruses can survive
outside the body, but typically not for an enormous
amount of time. I think the longest lasting tends
to be hepatitis can last for five days. So in
theory, if blood has got on a toy and it hasn't
been used for a few days, you're probably not
going to get a bloodborne virus. But if there
are grooves and dents and things like that in
it where it could be kept moist, it could last
considerably longer and you don't want to gamble
your health on well. probably it's fine yeah
so thinking that through and thinking what feels
like an acceptable risk to you is is smart yeah
and thinking about risks at the top as well when
you're handling sharp things as we talked about
with you grabbing your penis with the vampire
gloves yes um it's not just thinking about hitting
someone else with those gloves at that point
it's if you hit yourself with one of the toys
by mistake you grab your own dick with the vampire
gloves yeah if we weren't already fluid bonded
we sure as fuck were after that yes yes we definitely
were Yeah, we definitely were. And I think just
to clarify where we've used or where I've used
the same thing with multiple people, what we
did there was replace the acupressure discs on
all of them. Yeah. So I did some bloody impact
with a friend of ours and actually only used
things that had acupressure discs on it and they
all had fresh ones on for that person. Yeah.
And then we swapped them back out again afterwards.
Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember if you put the original
ones. I can't remember if you put the original
ones back on or put entirely fresh ones on for
coming back to me. But either way, you didn't
use the same discs on me as you used on that
person. Yeah. Got rid of those after. Yeah. And
gave it a good clean and let it dry before we
did it. Yeah. And keeping them clean is a good
idea, even if you're never going to use them
with anyone else. If you're not concerned about
infection risk at all, completely monogamous
relationship, you want to keep the toys clean
because just general bacteria and grot. can grow
in in blood and it doesn't look very nice much
as the aesthetic of a little bit of blood splattered
on the ceiling is nice you don't want crusty
old scabs on your toys no um a good tip that
i found is using a toothbrush not the toothbrush
you clean your teeth with no a clean toothbrush
that has not been in your mouth or been used
to scrub the grout in your bathroom or any other
clean toothbrush uh just with water as a starting
point on the toys You can get that around all
of the little spikes without having to try to
rub them with your fingers and hurt yourself.
Really good if you've got any toys where the
spikes don't lie completely flush to the toy
as well. So at the back, because I've made it
myself and I'm not a skilled woodworker, the
spikes aren't set into the bat. They're just
screwed into it. So because the bat's curved,
there's space under the edges of the spikes.
Toothbrush can burr it under there and clean
any blood that's pooled there. We do know someone,
don't we, who made a version of that baseball
bat, but they made recesses for all of the acupressure
discs. They do know woodwork, so they actually
set them into the bat. Wiping over things with
alcohol is always a good idea as well. Again,
just kill off any more nasties. You're never
going to be able to sterilize these kind of toys.
They are generally made of some combination of
wood, plastic, even if it is a toy that is entirely
metal, unless you've got like an autoclave or
something in your home, you're not going to get
it sterile. But alcohol wipes is a good idea.
Some people will alcohol wipe their skin down
before play as well. I personally don't because...
I know that the bacteria that live on my skin
all the time are getting introduced into wounds
all the time. You know, if I pick a spot or scratch
my knee or cut my nails too short or anything
like that, like the bacteria on my skin are getting
into wounds. And as long as they're bleeding
freely and I'm keeping them clean, I consider
that an acceptable risk. But if you're very concerned
about it, or again, particularly susceptible
to infection, wiping over with alcohol wipes
is an option some people take. Yeah. And being
generally clean is a good idea. Like if you haven't
had a shower in three days, maybe take care of
that first. Take care of that first. Yeah, yeah.
And like after an impact scene as well, our approach
is using baby wipes to make sure that the active
bleeding has stopped. Yeah. Or is slowed right
down. And definitely not alcohol wipes after
play because they'll stop the blood from clotting.
Yeah. And it's not, I mean, with the kind of
wounds we're talking about, it's not going to
be dangerous. You're not going to bleed to death
from it. But at some point you probably want
to get off the bed, remove all the plastic sheeting
from it and get on with your day and maybe put
some pants on. If you've wiped over yourself
with alcohol wipes, it's going to sting like
a bitch and it's going to continue bleeding for
a while and you're going to be stuck there. Yeah.
Yes. So just standard baby wipes just to make
sure that you've got as much of it off as possible
and then jump in the shower whenever you are
comfortable. Yeah. When have you got the power
of limbs back? And loose clothing afterwards.
Loose, breathable clothing is the way to go.
If you put on a pair of tight leggings afterwards,
it's going to stick. Even if you think you're
done bleeding, it's going to stick. It's going
to be uncomfortable. Yeah, have to peel it off.
Which, I mean, in itself, quite fun. Generally,
you want your wounds to heal up as quick as possible
so you can go again. Yes, true. Eve mentioned
a couple of times, I think, the concept of dextering.
Yes. Which is a fab word for it. But essentially,
that's about the space. Yeah. If you are going
to do a bloody scene, you need to think about
weather and how you're going to protect the space
that you're doing it in. Yeah. So sometimes when
we do it at home, we generally put a plastic
decorator's mat down over the bed and as much
of the carpet as we can. Yeah. We have chosen
to take the risk. with our walls but we know
some people who will do the same with the walls
as well yeah and even the ceiling you can tape
plastic over the ceiling it depends how concerned
you are if you rent or if you've got an entirely
white bedroom you'll probably want to do more
versus someone who's got dark colored walls and
owns their home and isn't planning on moving
in the next two to three years yeah um we definitely
are aiming not to get our bedroom absolutely
covered in blood splatters the way that my bedroom
at the flat was but we're also not really concerned
if there are a few dodgy spots on the ceiling
when we're ready to sell the house we'll cross
that bridge yeah we'll paint it yeah i'll be
fine um because that's what the event that we
went to provide a very well protected space to
do that uh protected and easy clean as well i
think that's one of the other things about using
plastic sheeting is just hose it off either hose
it off or because they're you know they're a
couple of quid from b &q kind of scrunch it up
and put it in the bin yeah sort of thing yeah
you know but they are it's it's wiped clean yeah
and that's an option as well for people playing
at home who don't want to if they've got a big
bedroom like ours and they don't want to have
to do plastic sheeting over the entire space
is that's a really good solution is getting like
a pop -up gazebo and yeah doing your dextring
on that as well so you've got something a little
bit more manageable to do that with yeah disposal
is another thing to think about a lot of people
get very touchy about the idea of putting blood
into household waste yeah because they're like
oh my god it's a biohazard in hospital that would
go in the biohazard bin it's like yes but do
you have a biohazard bin for when you get your
period or do you use one when you cut your finger
yeah You know, we do put blood in the household
waste, but it is considerate to the people who
empty your bins not to put something that looks
like a crime scene into the household waste.
And it is also considerate to yourself because
they might call the police if they see that.
yes so if you're going to be throwing away plastic
sheeting after you're done still worth giving
it a quick hose off or a wipe down a few streaks
of blood probably aren't going to raise any eyebrows
you know people cut themselves doing diy all
the time but don't put it in there with a massive
pool of crusted dried blood on it yeah um if
you're using sharps appropriate disposal of those
the best solution is obviously to get and use
a sharp spin if you are in a position where you
don't feel able to or don't have access to a
sharp spin the harm reduction approach is as
much sort of thorough packaging and labeling
before going into household waste so when i worked
in drug and alcohol the harm reduction technique
we were taught is if you don't have access to
a sharps then need to dispose of sharps you put
stuff inside a padded envelope inside a jar wrapped
in duct tape in another padded envelope and write
sharps on it yeah uh so something along those
lines can be a an option but if you can get a
sharps bin get a sharps bin that's the the best
way yeah one more thing to think about we talked
a lot about like cleaning toys and keeping clean
and infection control in general but think about
keeping an eye on condition of toys as well those
acupressure discs are plastic they can start
to warp twist come unscrewed if they're glued
on start to lift at the edges start to crack
if you end up with broken discs or a damaged
surface of a wooden toy where it might give splinters
or anything like that a toy that is going to
get you bloody can quickly turn into a toy that
is going to send you to hospital yeah especially
if you're already bloody and can't easily assess
the damage and you're flying high on endorphins
you might not notice that it's causing more damage
than intended yeah so one of the things i do
when i clean the toys is i do a quick visual
inspection of them look for any scratches chips
warping things like that as i said my old vampire
paddle i probably kept it longer than i should
have done um but i definitely it reached a point
where i was like this is not actually going to
be safe to play with anymore without some considerable
maintenance work on it and considering it was
six pounds i'm just gonna get rid of it yeah
um so make sure that if it's a toy that you made
yourself or have the skills to maintain that
you are doing any maintenance it needs and replace
it when you either can't or don't want to do
that anymore once it starts getting damaged good
tip with toys in general the same applies to
toys that aren't going to be drawing blood but
i think with bloody stuff it's more likely that
the scene you're doing is going to mask an injury
than if you're doing a scene that's not meant
to be getting bloody if a toy suddenly cuts you
you're going to know about it yeah no i would
agree that's all very sensible tips um i know
that this is not a class on how to do bloody
impact but i think the one thing that i would
add is if you are going to try it think really
carefully about the method yeah of as the top
think about the method of actually hitting someone
it's dead easy with non -spiky impact toys to
kind of hit and press in and then drag a little
bit when you're pulling it back yeah it's it's
really important when you're using any kind of
spiky toy not to do that yeah um at least not
to do it unintentionally that can be something
you work up to but yeah when you're learning
you want to go straight in straight out so you're
not causing big cuts yeah and i guess it depends
on what you're what you're using as well but
like you know kind of some of the things that
we've got to use like the baseball bat and the
fetchwood craft thing very much kind of quite
straight on and then straight back out again
is is a is a good technique to try and make sure
that you've got down definitely before using
it on someone because that will cause quite a
lot of damage if you don't do it quite right
yeah and if anyone's having a hard time getting
their head around that so these things are all
very small spikes um you know no more than probably
three or four millimeters across yeah if you
go straight in and out that means you're making
a three or four millimeter puncture if you go
down and drag it you could turn that into a five
inch laceration yeah very very easily without
realizing you're doing it yeah so that's important
to have control over and as i said there's with
certain types of toys and in certain types of
scenes we might do a little bit of that where
you're wanting to cause some scratches yeah and
some grazers yeah but we would only do that with
toys where we know it's going to be very very
superficial yeah yeah yeah like the barbecue
brush yeah you get away with a little bit of
dragging with that the greater yeah works if
you drag it yeah it works better if you drag
it works better if you drag it but i would say
that's more advanced and you want to make sure
you've got really good control over that because
even there there's a big difference between dragging
a centimeter and dragging it afoot yeah you know
you want to make sure you know exactly how much
damage you're going to do yeah yeah so there's
something about being really extra conscious
of your your technique i would say Yes. So there
endeth the lecture. Our safety debrief that we
usually do at the end of an unhinged episode.
As is tradition. Talking about an unhinged kink
like this. I think it's fair to say we have a
particular set of experiences, I suppose, that
we do together with Bloodplay. Impact is not
the only way of doing it, but that's our thing.
Yep. If listening to this episode has terrified
you completely, then that's fine. This is not
for everybody. Come back next week. We're watching
a movie. It's really chill. Yeah, yeah. Much
lower stakes next week. But if it is something
that is interesting, then there's classes all
over the place where you can kind of find out
the really detailed stuff about it. Yeah. We
really enjoy it. We do. I wouldn't go so far
as to say it's one of my favourite things, but
I do really enjoy that combination of hitting
you with stuff and then... they're being blood
everywhere i agree it's one of the probably 20
or 30 kinks that i regularly say is a top five
kink for me yeah it's very hard to narrow down
but i really like it yeah but that's impossible
isn't it kind of every now and again i'll get
a question on fat life or you'll get you'll get
a question like what's your favorite thing to
do and it's like the best i can do is my favorite
thing this week yeah you know ask me next week
it might be a different set of things ask me
in three months time it will definitely be a
different set of things yeah because i was regularly
saying waterboarding was a favorite in the summer
and over the winter it's like i'd really rather
not i don't want to be cold and wet that's definitely
a seasonal kink yeah isn't it that one yeah um
but yeah i think we are done i think we are yeah
it was another banger of an episode i think Yeah,
just hit after hit after hit, isn't it, with
this podcast? Yeah. Now how about we get the
vampire gloves and you grab and squeeze? Well,
I'm going to have a smoke. That's good, too.
Let's do that. Okay. Bye. See you next time.