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We do talk a lot, don't we? We do, yes, Mix.

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Though some of our listeners seem to want more.

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When I mentioned that there was a three -hour

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version of the New Year episode, I felt very

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much like Taylor Swift holding on to the ten

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-minute version of All Too Well. It's the uncut

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version. It's not good. There's a lot of toilet

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breaks. You're going to release the sad girl

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autumn version of the podcast episodes. Yeah.

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Welcome to Don't Scare the Newbies, a podcast

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where we talk kink, raw and unfiltered. I'm Carizal,

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a lifestyle submissive in a 24 -7 dynamic who

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likes their kink heavy, intense and scary. And

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I'm S, Carizal's dominant who knows how to deliver

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all of the above. And today we're going to be

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talking about putting big things in small spaces.

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All about size kink, big dicks, large insertions.

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You can probably hear me grinning. It's going

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to be a good one. It's going to be our biggest

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episode yet. Huge, massive, chock. Full of stuff.

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I feel quite nervous about this episode. Do you,

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Mix? I'm going to be honest with you. Yeah. I

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think for two reasons. One, it's about sex things.

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And you do have a history of getting the giggles.

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I do have a history of turning into a 13 -year

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-old boy when we talk about sex. Particularly

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resistant. See? It was sex. But also, you're

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going to make me talk about penis size. Yes,

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makes I am. And that's... That's never a fun

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time for me. See, you've done this to yourself

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because this started when I was outlining the

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butt stuff episode, which is also where you got

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the giggles over particularly resistant. Particularly

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resistant. But I had never realised that you

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would have some reluctance about talking about

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the size of your penis on the podcast until I

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saw the realisation hit you when I was talking

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about some of the content for that episode. And

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I was like, oh, this is funny. And if I'm going

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to exploit my relationship for listeners. I'm

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absolutely going to exploit your discomfort with

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talking about how massive your dick is. Bullshit

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for likes is what you're saying. No, it's just

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giving the people what they want and people love

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you getting flustered. Yeah, I get that. And

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so do I in a relationship where you get to have

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like fine -tuned control over my routine, my

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emotions, my sexual responses, all of that. Couple

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of hours, couple times a week we sit down on

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the couch and I get to make you squirm. You get

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to make me talk about stuff, yeah. You get to

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torture me. Fine. Fine, I will allow it, I suppose.

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So we agreed that this episode we're going to

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be talking about penis size. We're also going

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to be talking about large insertions and fisting

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mix. Okay. And that is, I think, partly because

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when I said let's do an episode purely discussing,

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like, does penis size matter and talking about

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that for an hour and a half, you said absolutely

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the fuck not. No. I just don't think there's

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an hour and a half content in that, to be fair.

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But it is a range of things, isn't it? All of

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that stuff is a range of things, which is about

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putting things that are larger than the hole

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inside a hole. Yeah. Essentially. Yeah. And the

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various ways that you can fuck around with that.

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Yeah, I think so, Mick. There's a lot of ways

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that these things connect to each other, like

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talking about size kinks, talking about what's

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going on mentally for both of us with playing

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with those kind of things. And I guess the kind

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of mechanism of all of it is basically the same.

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We're talking about some stretching here. Yes.

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Well, why don't you tell us a little bit about...

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size kinks generally then and what that all means

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for you yeah because i think there's almost like

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become this like reverse stigma around saying

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that you really like size it's like for a long

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time the stigma was around like people mocking

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people for not having a big enough dick and things

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like that which is really toxic and something

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we'll get onto as as we talk i'm sure that none

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of none of anyone's preference should ever be

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about saying that other people's bodies aren't

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good enough as they are. But then that sort of

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flipped around of going, okay, we need to make

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sure that people are being really inclusive and

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really body positive and all this great stuff.

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But then sometimes saying, I like really big

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stuff. Yeah. Then starts to become almost seen

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as problematic or like you're saying your preference

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means everything else sucks. Yeah. But yeah,

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I definitely would say that I have and I've always

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had a bit of a size kink and that goes not just

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for dick size, but just in general. I think I

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like stuff that challenges the hole a little

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bit. And slightly off topic, I suppose, but is

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that just about challenging your hole? Because

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size kink could also mean kind of size differential.

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I really like that, but I'm five foot ten. not

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particularly slim so i don't often get to feel

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that someone is significantly bigger than me

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i find size differences in general really hot

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yeah but you're the first partner i've had who's

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significantly taller than me and i like that

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a lot that's awesome um but it's never been something

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that would be like a deal breaker or even a turn

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off in a relationship like i've dated people

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who are my height and shorter and still had really

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great relationships and really strong attraction

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um but a lot of A lot of my fantasies center

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around like being overpowered and overwhelmed

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in some way. And size difference can definitely

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be a way that that comes through. And I think

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a lot of my size kink when it comes to things

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that are inserted is about that as well. That

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feeling of sort of being overwhelmed by it and

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really intense sensations, both pleasure and

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pain that can come with it. Yeah, because that's

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always been a curious thing for me about it,

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I suppose. I mean, I love doing it. I love being

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the inserter. um but it must be quite painful

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yeah i can't i can't envisage that it's not excruciatingly

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painful sometimes it depends on what we're doing

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and how we're doing it so i'm just speaking generally

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about people who like big toys and things like

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that it definitely doesn't have to be painful

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there's ways of exploring that kind of thing

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that isn't about pain at all and you can prevent

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pain through sort of preparing for things properly

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making sure like if you're doing vaginal insertions

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making sure you're properly aroused because that

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makes things looser and stretchier and wetter

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yeah using lube if you're doing anal insertions

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like doing anal training and working your way

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up gradually all of this stuff you can prevent

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pain but for me pain is often a desirable element

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of it yeah but i wouldn't say excruciatingly

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painful i think with this kind of stuff any hole

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that you're putting something into if it's excruciatingly

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painful regardless of whether you like that or

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not it's probably a sign that you're doing some

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damage that you might regret later yeah um the

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goal is not to require a hospital trip afterwards

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or stitches or yeah you know anything along those

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lines it's what i like is sort of micro tearing

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and bruising and like a kind of achy and slightly

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stingy feeling not right like oh god something's

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fucked up here yeah because that Even if I enjoy

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the sensation of it, I'm going to have the worry

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of what are the long -term consequences of this?

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What's this doing to my body? Yeah. Am I going

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to have to explain this to a nice hospital doctor?

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For people who might not fully understand, including

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me, micro -tearing. Micro -tearing are like tiny

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little tears that are too small for you to see,

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Mix. Right. So if you tear... any of the orifices

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of your body big enough that you can see it yeah

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something is not right and you're probably going

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to need to seek medical treatment for that yeah

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very small tears and abrasions that you can't

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physically see and might not even noticeably

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bleed right you will still feel something um

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and you get this if you eat like um sort of spiky

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or crunchy kind of food sometimes you'll feel

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like your mouth's a little bit sore afterwards

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that will quite often be micro tears right um

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you get them from brushing your teeth as well

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you'll sometimes hear people recommend as a way

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of preventing sexually transmitted infections

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to avoid any oral sex for a little while after

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you brush your teeth because brushing your teeth

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causes those micro micro abrasions in your mouth

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as well right um so i mean oral sex can transmit

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stis either way if you've got an open wound in

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your mouth it's a lot more likely so waiting

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for those tiny little tears to heal up right

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will will make that less likely um so micro tearing

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is a really normal thing that happens but when

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you're doing it by stretching something bigger

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than it's meant to go you'll probably feel it

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a little bit more and it might leave a little

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bit of discomfort afterwards but this stuff should

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never be like agony it should only ever be discomfort

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really is the most that you want to do when you're

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stretching your holes i see i genuinely didn't

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know about Micro tears. I thought it was, I wasn't

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aware that that was a thing that happens as frequently

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as it does. Yeah, mucous membranes are very,

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very delicate and they do some wacky stuff. Right.

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That's why you've got to take good care of them.

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And you're not really supposed to ram a baseball

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bat into them, generally speaking. No. I imagine

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that, yeah, good bit of safety advice there.

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Don't just randomly ram a baseball bat up yourself.

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Do as I say, not as I do. Yes. Yeah. So there's

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a masochistic element to this. Yeah. For you,

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then. You like it when it hurts a little bit.

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Yeah, definitely. But one thing I have learned

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from you, though, is that there is a difference

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for you between width and depth. Yes, definitely.

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I do like playing around with both, but I think

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if something is really girthy and is stretching

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me out, that feels really good. It can sometimes

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hurt a little bit, like we talked about, not

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excruciating, but uncomfortable. but it's always

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in a way that feels good to me. And that also

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really intensifies pleasure for me, even if you

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do it the sort of more slow and gentle way, like

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that feeling of stretching is a sensation I really

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like. I don't particularly like the sensation

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of getting my cervix battered. Right. And I know

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some people do. Like a lot of people will listen

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to that and just go, well, yeah, no one likes

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that. I have definitely met people who length

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is the thing for them. They like to have that

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sort of like deep bruising feeling. For me, that's

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usually too much. It puts me into more of a state

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of panic and not like a sexy panic, like just

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a full on, I feel like I'm being injured internally

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panic, which I don't enjoy. I think if it's from

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sex, like if it's sort of a position where I'm

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getting fucked really deep and it's hitting the

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cervix a little bit with a... real human flesh

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penis that can feel good like it's just a little

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bit of discomfort that i like but i've found

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any toys that i've done that with just tend to

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be a bit too hard and rigid and you don't because

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the toy can't feel what it's doing yeah you don't

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have that sort of fine ability to adjust that

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someone using their penis as a battering ram

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is going to notice if they're going too hard

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um so it just tends to get a bit too intense

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for me yeah so that's uh that's a bit of a tricky

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area but stretching like as long as it's not

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getting to the point where it's medically dangerous

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i'll quite happily do that all day yeah Yes,

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you would. Because I was going to say, I mean,

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I am not about to brag about the size of my penis

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or even that I am bashing your cervix when I

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am fucking you. But I do like to hit it really

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hard. Yeah. As hard as I can and as deep as I

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can. Yeah. So I guess there is a greater risk

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of that than stretching you. I mean, bear in

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mind that the average vagina is about five inches

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deep, even when aroused. Yeah. And I think I'm

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actually probably built a little below average.

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I am quite... quite tight and shallow um you

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can do the maths to see whether your vagina is

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not you as a person tight and shallow it's not

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a little bit of self -criticism coming in there

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yeah that's fair yeah but that like you say that

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doesn't seem to bother you as much as like um

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When I've done something similar with a man -made

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dildo, a person -made dildo, that has a more

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negative impact than... Yeah. Even a really hard

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dick has got quite a lot of give in it. Yeah.

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Like, it will sort of... When it runs into something,

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it will slightly compress, where a piece of pretty

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hard silicone will not. No. And even though you

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say, like, you go really hard, and you do, there'll

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still be a part of your brain that is holding

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you back from injuring yourself, and that same

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instinct is holding you back from injuring me.

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True. Stupid instincts. Yeah, if you were a masochist

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as well, I might be in real trouble. Good job

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I'm not. Yeah. I do not want to damage my penis

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on you. That's fair. I support this. I think

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we obviously talked about there's an element

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of masochism for me, but I think a part of it

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for me as well feeds into sort of humiliation,

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like tying into shame. Right. There's something

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about... taking a big toy or a big dick or just

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like being fucked really hard like all of that

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kind of stuff that ties into feeling like enforcing

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a form of sexual greed it's like just can't get

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enough shoved in me that kind of attitude yeah

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that is a really good way of playing with sort

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of the shame around some of the sexual values

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that i was raised with the very kind of conservative

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idea of people who are raised as girls and become

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women and follow this path in life are not supposed

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to want too much sexually aren't supposed to

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be too sexually motivated you're kind of there

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to be passively receptive to what your husband

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asks of you yeah um having the sexual agency

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to go not only do i want and enjoy sex yeah but

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i want it as big and hard Yeah. And, like, fulfilling

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as possible. Like, I want to really, really feel

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it and be feeling it for days afterwards. It's

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that sort of proper sexual greed going on of

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just can't get enough of this. Yeah. And then

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that sort of brings up some of that old shame,

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but in a way that I like to play with, not in

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a I actually feel bad about this way. Yeah. In

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a, like, I feel a little bit dirty. I feel a

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little bit gross. I feel a little bit like a

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sort of tainted, corrupted person for what I'm

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doing. And that's really hot. I'm really big

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on sort of playing with feelings of sexual shame

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and corruption and being reminded of the way

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that I have morally failed by being such a sexual

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being. Like, it feels like a really good way

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of reclaiming that to turn it into a weird sex

00:14:28.169 --> 00:14:35.789
game. It's always good to turn trauma and negative

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socialisation into a sex game. Absolutely, yeah.

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Always a good fun. It's interesting because when

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you first started talking about it as kind of

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a humiliation thing, that's not where my head

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went immediately. So what you talked about was

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wanting big things inside you and stuff like

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that. I guess there's a degradation element to

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it as well, possibly about being able to take

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something that big. Yeah. You know, you've got

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such a sloppy hole, I can put my whole fist inside

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it, sort of. angle to it yeah and that's definitely

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something we play around with the the verbal

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elements of what you do during those kind of

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scenes which really adds something for me i think

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there's a difference for me between the sort

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of the inherent way that the act ties into historical

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shame for me yeah and the way that we can choose

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to add degradation or humiliation or other things

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other forms of emotional sadomasochism into the

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mix yeah the act itself has a little bit of a

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humiliating feel to it but if you then say look

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at your loose sloppy hole look at all this stuff

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i can fit in there yeah that is an extra layer

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on top little bonus yeah yeah that's true i guess

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there is a bit of a difference between those

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two things isn't it in terms of one is based

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on real lived experience and the other you can

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kind of say that whether it's true or not yeah

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and it really isn't i mean i'm not saying that

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in a defensive way like i kind of wish it was

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a bit looser and sloppier sometimes so we could

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fit more in it yeah i am inconveniently tight

00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:10.480
yeah yeah yeah it's so frustrating but yeah it's

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that kind of you can add in that more stereotypical

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more what more more generic script of degrading

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language on top of something which is actually

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real and in your head yeah which is always fun

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to to play it's like the cherry on the top isn't

00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:28.080
it yeah and there have been times when you've

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leaned into something more real with it by going

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the other way and complaining about how useless

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i am that i can't fit something that you're trying

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to get in there yeah or like um verbally degrading

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me for me having like a pain reaction to something

00:16:38.889 --> 00:16:40.789
you're doing to me yeah you should be able to

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handle this so like then you're going more into

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the reality of actually like i am not anywhere

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near loose and sloppy enough for my appetites

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and making me feel like a failure because of

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it which is very hot yeah yeah well happy to

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oblige something that's always really interesting

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for me with this that i've noticed about myself

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is a lot of my interest in this stuff is really

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about what we what we can shove in the front

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not so much what we can shove in the back yeah

00:17:09.180 --> 00:17:14.680
yeah that's a good point yeah um i don't know

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if it's just me being realistic because yeah

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because we're we're already like the way that

00:17:21.099 --> 00:17:24.119
we do anal sex is already painful enough yeah

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um and i think like being roughly painfully fucked

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in the butt is great but I don't find anal training

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particularly interesting to me like the idea

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of just sort of gradually working up through

00:17:35.079 --> 00:17:36.740
different sizes of butt plugs it's like if you

00:17:36.740 --> 00:17:38.359
were really into it and you wanted me to do it

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I would get off on the control of that yeah but

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that process doesn't interest me in itself it

00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:47.059
seems very almost like a medical process it's

00:17:47.059 --> 00:17:48.519
like okay the butt needs to be bigger so we're

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gonna work on it and I think if I wanted to put

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anything bigger in my butt than I already do

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I would have to do some pretty extensive training

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to do it and it's just Can I be asked? No. Hey.

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I thought you'd enjoy that. Yeah, I guess. It's

00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:08.660
a really good point and you've stumped me a little

00:18:08.660 --> 00:18:13.920
bit. Because we do do butt stuff. Yes. We did

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a whole episode on it a little while ago. Particularly

00:18:19.819 --> 00:18:27.269
resistant. but maybe you're right maybe i think

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there's a little bit for me as well of of the

00:18:29.970 --> 00:18:35.509
a greater risk of damage i suppose yeah the butt

00:18:35.509 --> 00:18:37.950
can generally stretch bigger but when you damage

00:18:37.950 --> 00:18:40.430
it it's more of a problem yeah it's not designed

00:18:40.430 --> 00:18:42.890
to kind of recover as well from that sort of

00:18:42.890 --> 00:18:46.509
thing yeah yeah um and to be fair i'm with you

00:18:46.509 --> 00:18:51.950
i i the the idea of anal training is vaguely

00:18:51.950 --> 00:18:55.029
hot in theory But the process of it doesn't really

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excite me all that much. Yeah. I think some of

00:19:00.769 --> 00:19:02.630
it as well, thinking about it, I'm not that big

00:19:02.630 --> 00:19:05.609
on anal toys. Like, again, if I'm with someone

00:19:05.609 --> 00:19:07.750
who wants to put a toy in my butt, that's fine.

00:19:08.009 --> 00:19:11.230
Yeah. But I much prefer actual penetrative anal

00:19:11.230 --> 00:19:13.910
sex. Yeah. Because a lot of what I get off on

00:19:13.910 --> 00:19:16.869
from that is the sort of headspace I get into

00:19:16.869 --> 00:19:19.809
of the other person using my body for their pleasure.

00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:22.579
and it being a little bit degrading from that

00:19:22.579 --> 00:19:24.579
perspective, and because I get less physical

00:19:24.579 --> 00:19:26.759
pleasure from it, it feeling like a little bit

00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:28.859
more one -sided. If the thing in my butt is a

00:19:28.859 --> 00:19:30.700
toy, it's like, okay, so you're not getting sexual

00:19:30.700 --> 00:19:32.420
pleasure from this, and I'm getting less than

00:19:32.420 --> 00:19:35.160
I would normally. So, like, who's winning here?

00:19:35.299 --> 00:19:38.519
Not really anybody. So, yeah, anal toys don't

00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:40.480
massively interest me, so probably that's part

00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:43.140
of it as well. Yeah, possibly. And it is surprising

00:19:43.140 --> 00:19:49.579
when you say it, because you do like the... aftermath

00:19:49.579 --> 00:19:53.240
of me fucking you in the butt. As in, like, your

00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:56.700
whole feels different. Yeah, I like that. After

00:19:56.700 --> 00:19:59.140
I fucked you in the butt. So that feeling of

00:19:59.140 --> 00:20:02.460
being stretched, I suppose. That is really hot.

00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:06.220
You really enjoy? But I think it's because it's

00:20:06.220 --> 00:20:08.900
a combination of the feeling and knowing that

00:20:08.900 --> 00:20:11.920
I got it in service to your sexual pleasure.

00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:14.259
So that wouldn't be as satisfying if it had been

00:20:14.259 --> 00:20:18.430
caused by a giant butt plug. Yeah. Who knows?

00:20:18.450 --> 00:20:20.250
I mean, at the rate we acquire kinks, give it

00:20:20.250 --> 00:20:22.529
six months. Yeah. We'll be back for an episode,

00:20:22.630 --> 00:20:25.569
like, okay, our experience of severe and extreme

00:20:25.569 --> 00:20:27.970
anal stretching. Anal training. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

00:20:28.509 --> 00:20:30.589
But right now, I don't think it's high on the

00:20:30.589 --> 00:20:35.329
priorities list. No, not really. And a completely

00:20:35.329 --> 00:20:39.769
different area, I suppose, but that idea of,

00:20:39.829 --> 00:20:42.890
like, oral training as well. Yeah. Kind of training

00:20:42.890 --> 00:20:47.660
someone to, like... be able to deep throat without

00:20:47.660 --> 00:20:50.480
gagging yeah we did a little bit of it so that

00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:52.900
you could throat fuck me without me vomiting

00:20:52.900 --> 00:20:55.420
every time yeah but you didn't want to oral train

00:20:55.420 --> 00:20:57.160
me too much because you still want the option

00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:01.480
for me to vomit sometimes yeah yeah i think there's

00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:04.099
a there's probably a sweet spot yeah isn't there

00:21:04.099 --> 00:21:08.039
where yeah the best thing i got from the bit

00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:09.680
of oral training we did is i can now brush my

00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:11.759
teeth without throwing up which is great excellent

00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:16.420
always good yeah There you go. I need to fuck

00:21:16.420 --> 00:21:18.200
your throat on a regular basis so that you don't

00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:22.880
vomit when you brush your teeth. For our listeners'

00:21:23.039 --> 00:21:25.700
context, I suppose you have a particularly violent

00:21:25.700 --> 00:21:28.220
approach to brushing your teeth. I do, and a

00:21:28.220 --> 00:21:30.099
particularly violent gag reflex, so it's not

00:21:30.099 --> 00:21:32.319
a good combination. So we've worked on the gag

00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:35.099
reflex a little bit. But yeah, I am neurotic

00:21:35.099 --> 00:21:36.920
about oral hygiene, which I personally think

00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:39.160
is a great trait to have. I have met way too

00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:41.529
many people who have... very laid -back approach

00:21:41.529 --> 00:21:43.150
to oral hygiene. You could do with being a bit

00:21:43.150 --> 00:21:45.869
more neurotic. Yeah, yeah. They should learn

00:21:45.869 --> 00:21:50.890
some of my problems. But I brush my teeth a minimum

00:21:50.890 --> 00:21:54.069
of twice a day, but usually more, for about five

00:21:54.069 --> 00:21:57.349
minutes, finishing off with a good minute at

00:21:57.349 --> 00:21:59.589
least, scrubbing my tongue all the way to the

00:21:59.589 --> 00:22:02.130
back of my throat with the toothbrush, which

00:22:02.130 --> 00:22:05.450
is probably a bit excessive. Yeah. I will acknowledge

00:22:05.450 --> 00:22:08.589
that, but... I always have very good breath,

00:22:08.750 --> 00:22:11.450
very clean teeth, very clean tongue. And I think

00:22:11.450 --> 00:22:14.769
that's worth being a little bit insane for. Valid.

00:22:15.390 --> 00:22:16.990
I feel like there might be cultural differences

00:22:16.990 --> 00:22:18.509
here as well, where the British people listening

00:22:18.509 --> 00:22:20.170
will be like, there's something seriously wrong

00:22:20.170 --> 00:22:22.049
with you. And our American listeners will be

00:22:22.049 --> 00:22:24.829
like, ah, yes, the normal. The normal thing to

00:22:24.829 --> 00:22:28.069
do. To be fair, I don't know what Americans do.

00:22:28.130 --> 00:22:30.369
I just know their teeth are excellent. Yeah.

00:22:31.869 --> 00:22:34.170
Either way, they all... Probably use electric

00:22:34.170 --> 00:22:37.210
toothbrushes. I'm terrified of those because

00:22:37.210 --> 00:22:39.630
someone in my family got an electric toothbrush

00:22:39.630 --> 00:22:42.109
and within six months her gums had receded so

00:22:42.109 --> 00:22:43.769
badly that some of her teeth were on the verge

00:22:43.769 --> 00:22:45.269
of falling out and the dentist told her to stop

00:22:45.269 --> 00:22:47.430
using it. I think she was using it incorrectly,

00:22:47.549 --> 00:22:49.450
but it has terrified me. It's put me off for

00:22:49.450 --> 00:22:52.970
life. Right. Wow. Yeah. That doesn't sound like

00:22:52.970 --> 00:22:57.009
a fun time. No. Anyway. And you're worried this

00:22:57.009 --> 00:22:58.730
would be a short episode. I'm worried that we

00:22:58.730 --> 00:23:03.400
wouldn't talk about it too much. Is there something

00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:08.339
for you about being used as well when we do this

00:23:08.339 --> 00:23:11.220
stuff, like being objectified? Definitely, yeah.

00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:12.980
And it obviously, like with anything we do, it

00:23:12.980 --> 00:23:15.059
depends on the headspace we're in and what we're

00:23:15.059 --> 00:23:18.660
doing and how we're doing it. But I think feeling

00:23:18.660 --> 00:23:23.079
like I am just a whole to use. managing the well

00:23:23.079 --> 00:23:25.599
-being of that whole is not a top priority feels

00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:27.460
really objectifying so if that's tied in with

00:23:27.460 --> 00:23:30.200
other stuff where the language that's being used

00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:31.720
in the way i'm being treated feels objectifying

00:23:31.720 --> 00:23:33.920
that can really heighten it a lot yeah that makes

00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:36.000
sense because it's not like we always do it in

00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:40.500
that mean way yeah you know when especially when

00:23:40.500 --> 00:23:43.819
we've done like the first time that we tried

00:23:43.819 --> 00:23:47.220
the baseball bat first time that i tried to put

00:23:47.220 --> 00:23:50.200
my whole hand inside you kind of thing Kind of

00:23:50.200 --> 00:23:54.160
a more supportive, almost experimental way of

00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:58.960
doing it rather than layering meanness and degradation

00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:01.079
and humiliation on top of that because the whole

00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:03.259
point was to see whether you could do it. Yeah.

00:24:03.339 --> 00:24:05.059
And there's also been times where you've just

00:24:05.059 --> 00:24:08.279
done sort of really big toys and things like

00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:10.480
that because I was really horny and you were

00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:12.880
giving me a nice treat. Yeah. Like when I'm ovulating

00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:14.640
and I'm practically crawling the walls and I

00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:17.180
haven't come in a thousand years. Which is usually

00:24:17.180 --> 00:24:20.339
three days. thousand years um you'll sometimes

00:24:20.339 --> 00:24:23.700
treat me to to some stretchy time because it's

00:24:23.700 --> 00:24:26.299
really nice for me and i come really hard stretchy

00:24:26.299 --> 00:24:33.720
time yeah that's fair that's true we do a whole

00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:37.000
range of things that we do so that's a lot about

00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:40.640
what my size kink is all about but as as always

00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:42.839
we are very very compatible and you also seem

00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:46.059
to enjoy putting big things in various places.

00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:49.660
So what's that all about for you, Max? What's

00:24:49.660 --> 00:24:52.299
going on in that lovely egg of yours? What's

00:24:52.299 --> 00:24:56.339
that all about? I think this is one of those

00:24:56.339 --> 00:25:01.180
where a decent sized element of it is because

00:25:01.180 --> 00:25:04.119
you enjoy it. Yeah. It's one of those things

00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:07.119
where if you had said to me, actually, no, I

00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:09.339
don't want anything bigger than your penis anywhere

00:25:09.339 --> 00:25:14.529
near my hole. Thank you very much. would have

00:25:14.529 --> 00:25:18.250
been completely fine yeah um or even if you said

00:25:18.250 --> 00:25:22.210
crikey that's a bit big go careful when you saw

00:25:22.210 --> 00:25:24.470
my penis that would have been okay yeah and it

00:25:24.470 --> 00:25:25.809
wouldn't have felt like i was kind of missing

00:25:25.809 --> 00:25:32.670
out on anything i suppose um so part of it is

00:25:32.670 --> 00:25:35.509
i i do these things because they get you off

00:25:35.509 --> 00:25:38.430
and you enjoy the process of it and all of that

00:25:38.430 --> 00:25:41.369
kind of stuff which i think is i think is okay

00:25:41.369 --> 00:25:47.819
oh yeah i think it's a good thing For me, I think

00:25:47.819 --> 00:25:53.099
there is very much an objectification thing of

00:25:53.099 --> 00:25:59.019
it and kind of using you aspect to it. Because

00:25:59.019 --> 00:26:00.740
a lot of the time, if I wanted to put something

00:26:00.740 --> 00:26:03.140
in one of your holes, I could put my penis in

00:26:03.140 --> 00:26:06.180
your hole. You can do that, yes. It's always

00:26:06.180 --> 00:26:09.220
a good time when I do that. you heard it here

00:26:09.220 --> 00:26:10.859
first putting the penis in the hole is a good

00:26:10.859 --> 00:26:19.619
time groundbreaking so like using using big dildos

00:26:19.619 --> 00:26:24.359
or even more kind of using things as dildos that

00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:28.660
are not is really fun for me because it's that

00:26:28.660 --> 00:26:32.460
kind of I'm not getting any direct pleasure out

00:26:32.460 --> 00:26:35.519
of it I'm just causing you pain and discomfort

00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:40.400
you know I'm just seeing what i can fit kind

00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:42.539
of thing it's like a mad scientist experiment

00:26:42.539 --> 00:26:46.640
and if you get if you experience pain or discomfort

00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:51.380
or whatever along the way then so be it that's

00:26:51.380 --> 00:26:55.240
your purpose so it's probably one of the one

00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:57.400
of the rare kinks one of the rare things that

00:26:57.400 --> 00:26:59.180
we talk about where for me it's not necessarily

00:26:59.180 --> 00:27:02.400
about power it is it is a it's a little bit kind

00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:04.640
of mad scientist a little bit kind of yeah just

00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:06.940
treating you like an object and seeing what i

00:27:06.940 --> 00:27:10.210
can fit in there kind of thing really appeals

00:27:10.210 --> 00:27:14.910
yeah really appeals to me um and then if we kind

00:27:14.910 --> 00:27:17.569
of layer on top of that the degradation of it

00:27:17.569 --> 00:27:23.089
as well rather so less about your inter although

00:27:23.089 --> 00:27:24.829
now you've said it that's a really interesting

00:27:24.829 --> 00:27:27.829
thing so for me it's less about that kind of

00:27:27.829 --> 00:27:31.690
humiliation of your own internal shame it's degrading

00:27:31.690 --> 00:27:34.410
you because you can take whatever i'm putting

00:27:34.410 --> 00:27:36.910
up there Yeah. And you shouldn't be able to take

00:27:36.910 --> 00:27:38.710
a baseball bat. You shouldn't be able to take

00:27:38.710 --> 00:27:40.970
my fist. I think that's probably what's behind

00:27:40.970 --> 00:27:44.470
it for me more than anything else. Plus it is,

00:27:44.470 --> 00:27:48.430
to be fair, it is quite hot seeing you take a

00:27:48.430 --> 00:27:50.950
massive baseball bat. Yeah. We keep saying baseball

00:27:50.950 --> 00:27:53.890
bat. It is like a slim bat. I don't know if it's

00:27:53.890 --> 00:27:55.650
quite designed for baseball. It's quite a little

00:27:55.650 --> 00:27:59.910
one. I think we've got, well, we've got the one.

00:28:00.750 --> 00:28:02.869
With the spikes on it, which will not go in the

00:28:02.869 --> 00:28:05.170
hole. No, the one with the spikes would not go

00:28:05.170 --> 00:28:07.390
in the hole with or without the spikes. That

00:28:07.390 --> 00:28:10.269
one's massive. Yeah. I think the other one is

00:28:10.269 --> 00:28:13.210
probably around as bat. Probably around as bat,

00:28:13.309 --> 00:28:15.849
yeah. Yeah, a little bit smaller, a little bit

00:28:15.849 --> 00:28:18.569
thinner, but not much. No, it's still, it's still,

00:28:18.609 --> 00:28:21.630
it feels a lot bigger than it looks when it's

00:28:21.630 --> 00:28:26.269
being inserted. Yeah, yeah. And you've had bigger

00:28:26.269 --> 00:28:27.869
stuff than that inside you. Yeah, I mean, I've

00:28:27.869 --> 00:28:30.119
had your fist. Yeah, my fist inside you. That

00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.759
took some work. Yeah. And the handle of Fluffy

00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:37.019
the Club, one of our toys. Yes. That's pretty

00:28:37.019 --> 00:28:40.920
big. Which is much bigger than the rounder's

00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:43.759
bat slash baseball bat. I think it's similar.

00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:46.200
We need to measure the girth of some of our toys.

00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:49.680
But yeah, it is that sort of mad science thing.

00:28:49.900 --> 00:28:51.980
Often, if we've been doing impact, you've got

00:28:51.980 --> 00:28:53.680
a bag full of impact toys, and it's like, okay,

00:28:53.740 --> 00:28:55.859
which of these have got a vaguely phallic handle?

00:28:55.980 --> 00:28:58.140
Let's see where they go. Yeah, let's see if they

00:28:58.140 --> 00:29:01.740
fit. though someone gave us a helpful tip the

00:29:01.740 --> 00:29:03.619
first time you inserted fluffy the club into

00:29:03.619 --> 00:29:06.920
me um to put a condom over fluffy yeah because

00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:10.680
uh because pussy can strip the wax and varnish

00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:17.940
off wooden toys yes poisonous pussy yeah and

00:29:17.940 --> 00:29:20.779
we don't want to damage our our nice wooden toys

00:29:20.779 --> 00:29:25.880
no so no i i as as i frequently say it feels

00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:28.000
a little bit basic But there's just something

00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:30.700
really hot about shoving weird things inside

00:29:30.700 --> 00:29:34.299
you and seeing if you can stretch around them.

00:29:34.539 --> 00:29:38.299
Yeah. I'm just excited we got an answer to that

00:29:38.299 --> 00:29:40.299
question that wasn't just power. Power and control.

00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:45.079
Yeah. Because it's often not. Yeah. It is one

00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:46.660
of the things that we do that is probably less

00:29:46.660 --> 00:29:52.279
about that, I would say. I think we layer that

00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:54.960
on top of it. Yeah, of course. Yeah, it depends

00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:56.500
how we're playing. It can sometimes be part of

00:29:56.500 --> 00:29:59.680
a really power imbalanced feeling scene. But

00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:03.539
yeah, it's an interesting one because I don't

00:30:03.539 --> 00:30:05.559
feel like it's massively about power as such

00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:08.660
for me. Being overpowered. Yes, but there's a

00:30:08.660 --> 00:30:10.480
subtle difference to that. It's not about like

00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:12.460
a reminder of our roles a lot of the time. No.

00:30:12.940 --> 00:30:17.670
It's about feeling like... ways of heightening

00:30:17.670 --> 00:30:20.049
the intensity of sex making it feel a little

00:30:20.049 --> 00:30:22.150
bit more violent a little bit more degrading

00:30:22.150 --> 00:30:26.750
a little bit more just intense but not necessarily

00:30:26.750 --> 00:30:30.430
massive about a power imbalance that can be part

00:30:30.430 --> 00:30:33.349
of it but it's an optional part yeah i think

00:30:33.349 --> 00:30:36.069
so it's probably one of the the things that we

00:30:36.069 --> 00:30:40.210
do which is more specifically about your pleasure

00:30:40.210 --> 00:30:43.029
as well yeah i would say because a lot of what

00:30:43.029 --> 00:30:45.839
we do a lot of sexual stuff that we do we both

00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:47.940
get pleasure from but the whole point is that

00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:51.339
it's about mine yeah that kind of free use objectification

00:30:51.339 --> 00:30:55.400
kind of thing with putting big things inside

00:30:55.400 --> 00:31:01.500
you other than my penis you get off on that yeah

00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:05.000
and i i'd like to say that's not it's hot but

00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:06.480
i don't get kind of sexual pleasure from the

00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:08.500
act if that makes sense yeah yeah no that makes

00:31:08.500 --> 00:31:12.059
sense um so yeah it's it's more for your pleasure

00:31:12.059 --> 00:31:16.420
than anything else and i'm always happy to do

00:31:16.420 --> 00:31:19.680
that that's so nice because i'm so nice so nice

00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:22.519
you say you how much you love giving me pleasure

00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:24.019
and how you're always happy to do that as if

00:31:24.019 --> 00:31:26.940
you don't delight in making me wait thousands

00:31:26.940 --> 00:31:30.079
of years to be allowed to come days thousands

00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:34.180
of years days it has been a few no it hasn't

00:31:34.180 --> 00:31:36.119
been a few days it has it's been a thousand years

00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:42.329
again three days thousand years sunday It was

00:31:42.329 --> 00:31:44.190
a long time ago. We are recording on a Wednesday.

00:31:45.130 --> 00:31:46.569
Which lines up really well with when it will

00:31:46.569 --> 00:31:48.069
be released. Yeah, I could have just left that,

00:31:48.130 --> 00:31:50.049
couldn't I? Yeah, me too. I'd have gone, my God.

00:31:53.410 --> 00:31:58.450
Are they broadcasting live? Yes. Yes, we are.

00:31:58.710 --> 00:32:01.190
Yes, we are. So I guess it's about that time

00:32:01.190 --> 00:32:06.230
in the podcast about large things that we should

00:32:06.230 --> 00:32:09.109
directly address the question. The question.

00:32:09.329 --> 00:32:15.079
The question. Does penis size matter? Yes and

00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:18.000
no mix is my answer to that. That's a very politician

00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:21.619
answer. Yeah. So, I mean, it's really interesting.

00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:23.220
Like when we were first talking about this episode,

00:32:23.380 --> 00:32:25.240
obviously this was my idea to do a whole episode

00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:27.640
talking about this specific question. Yeah. And

00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:29.240
you didn't think there was a whole episode in

00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:30.519
it. I still think there potentially could have

00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:33.480
been because there's so much to that. It's like

00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:36.079
if we're talking about overall in general, like

00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:39.420
for your sexual value as a human being, the size

00:32:39.420 --> 00:32:41.650
of your penis doesn't matter. whether you've

00:32:41.650 --> 00:32:43.730
got a penis or not doesn't matter like everyone

00:32:43.730 --> 00:32:46.289
can be really great at sex and everyone's going

00:32:46.289 --> 00:32:48.430
to be sexually compatible with someone yeah if

00:32:48.430 --> 00:32:50.609
the question is does penis size matter to me

00:32:50.609 --> 00:32:53.390
i tried for years and years and years to be like

00:32:53.390 --> 00:32:56.049
no no of course not no it doesn't but actually

00:32:56.049 --> 00:32:58.690
for how i like to fuck and for what i find attractive

00:32:58.690 --> 00:33:02.349
and what i find arousing it does And it does

00:33:02.349 --> 00:33:04.430
for a lot of people, but not always in the same

00:33:04.430 --> 00:33:06.089
way. And that's why I don't think it matters

00:33:06.089 --> 00:33:09.329
overall. So most people will have a kind of minimum

00:33:09.329 --> 00:33:11.569
size where below that, it's just not going to

00:33:11.569 --> 00:33:14.190
do what they want it to do. And a maximum size

00:33:14.190 --> 00:33:16.130
where it's like, you're not getting that fucking

00:33:16.130 --> 00:33:18.789
thing anywhere near me. And that range is so

00:33:18.789 --> 00:33:21.329
different person to person. So mine probably

00:33:21.329 --> 00:33:22.990
sits a little bit towards the top end of that

00:33:22.990 --> 00:33:26.009
scale. But there is definitely dick that is too

00:33:26.009 --> 00:33:28.849
big to take every day. like occasionally as a

00:33:28.849 --> 00:33:34.950
treat maybe but i i don't want a partner with

00:33:34.950 --> 00:33:38.109
11 inches yeah like i would i wouldn't be able

00:33:38.109 --> 00:33:40.210
to fuck the way that i like to fuck if if you

00:33:40.210 --> 00:33:42.269
were that size it would be like we're going slow

00:33:42.269 --> 00:33:43.910
we're going carefully and then i'm taking a week

00:33:43.910 --> 00:33:46.170
off to recover and that's not what i want in

00:33:46.170 --> 00:33:49.650
my life i want to be able to have rough semi

00:33:49.650 --> 00:33:53.470
-dry spontaneous sex yeah all the time yeah um

00:33:53.470 --> 00:33:56.250
and for that I like something a little bit lower

00:33:56.250 --> 00:33:59.410
down in the scale. Yeah. There was... Was it

00:33:59.410 --> 00:34:01.750
on that god -awful show Too Hot to Handle where

00:34:01.750 --> 00:34:03.309
there was a guy who referred to himself as having

00:34:03.309 --> 00:34:07.009
boyfriend dick? Do you remember that, mate? Possibly.

00:34:07.210 --> 00:34:09.789
Yeah. Where it's not too big and not too small.

00:34:09.849 --> 00:34:11.570
And everyone was, like, roasting him for it.

00:34:11.610 --> 00:34:13.210
But I was like, actually, no, like, that is 100

00:34:13.210 --> 00:34:15.949
% a thing. Yeah, yeah. Like, if it is too big,

00:34:16.110 --> 00:34:17.449
you're not going to want to be on it all the

00:34:17.449 --> 00:34:20.849
time? No. That's hook -up dick. Yeah, yeah. No,

00:34:20.889 --> 00:34:24.900
you're right. Because there's that TikTok. I

00:34:24.900 --> 00:34:27.300
don't know if I say that TikTok as if everyone's

00:34:27.300 --> 00:34:29.400
going to know it. Yeah, I watch like a thousand

00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:30.760
TikToks a day. You're going to have to narrow

00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:36.260
it down. There's a woman with a tape measure

00:34:36.260 --> 00:34:40.039
and she unfurls 12 inches. And she's like, I

00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:43.639
don't think people know what we're talking about

00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:47.760
here. This is too much. And then she kind of

00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:50.239
puts it down to like five inches. This is fine.

00:34:50.659 --> 00:34:54.750
Six inches. This is great. Seven. Perfect. Probably

00:34:54.750 --> 00:34:59.389
a little bit too big. 10 inches. Hospital. Yeah.

00:34:59.449 --> 00:35:01.690
So it's like everyone probably or the majority

00:35:01.690 --> 00:35:04.050
of people who receive penetrative sex are going

00:35:04.050 --> 00:35:06.269
to have a little scale like that in their heads.

00:35:06.369 --> 00:35:08.329
And the specific numbers are going to vary. So

00:35:08.329 --> 00:35:11.170
for some people, they're like good might be three

00:35:11.170 --> 00:35:13.769
inches and they're great is four. And that's

00:35:13.769 --> 00:35:16.010
a bit much is five. Yeah. And then there's some

00:35:16.010 --> 00:35:17.809
people where they're good is six and they're

00:35:17.809 --> 00:35:19.389
great is seven and they're perfect is eight.

00:35:19.489 --> 00:35:21.710
Yeah. Like everyone's going to have their own

00:35:21.710 --> 00:35:24.119
preferences there. Yeah. And there are some people

00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:25.739
where penetrative sex just isn't that important

00:35:25.739 --> 00:35:28.300
to them, and then it might matter basically not

00:35:28.300 --> 00:35:30.099
at all, unless they've got some sort of aesthetic

00:35:30.099 --> 00:35:33.719
preferences around it. But if you like penetration,

00:35:33.980 --> 00:35:35.820
if penetration's an important part of sex for

00:35:35.820 --> 00:35:39.460
you, and if you enjoy that to happen with a real

00:35:39.460 --> 00:35:42.860
-life human flesh penis, not store -bought, then

00:35:42.860 --> 00:35:45.619
some element of size preference, I think, is

00:35:45.619 --> 00:35:48.300
going to be inevitable for most people. but that

00:35:48.300 --> 00:35:49.900
doesn't mean that someone with a really really

00:35:49.900 --> 00:35:51.519
big or a really really small dick isn't going

00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:53.679
to be fine someone who is like crazy about it

00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:55.559
because because of those different preferences

00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:59.000
is it something that like because you don't receive

00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:00.980
penetration mix is it something that makes any

00:36:00.980 --> 00:36:03.079
difference to you sort of like aesthetically

00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:04.639
or from an attraction point of view if you were

00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:06.440
the partner with a penis or are you just like

00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:10.079
just happy to be there i'm just happy to be there

00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:14.179
yeah to be honest with you um i mean i i haven't

00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.300
I haven't been in a lot of relationships or kind

00:36:17.300 --> 00:36:19.719
of hookups with people who have penises. So my

00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.900
experience is more limited in that. But no, I

00:36:22.900 --> 00:36:26.739
don't think there's any... I'm very much of the

00:36:26.739 --> 00:36:31.480
view of it doesn't really matter what you've

00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:35.420
got, it's how you use it. Yeah. That would be

00:36:35.420 --> 00:36:39.260
the thing for me. There's this weird assumption,

00:36:39.460 --> 00:36:41.719
isn't there, usually by people who own the penises.

00:36:42.489 --> 00:36:45.030
that bigger is better yeah and if you've got

00:36:45.030 --> 00:36:46.750
a big dick then that's all that really matters

00:36:46.750 --> 00:36:49.449
i definitely feel like insecure men care way

00:36:49.449 --> 00:36:52.469
more about dick size than even i do yeah and

00:36:52.469 --> 00:36:54.849
it's it's an important part of sex for me but

00:36:54.849 --> 00:36:57.630
like insecure men make it seem like it is the

00:36:57.630 --> 00:36:59.429
end of the world if your dick isn't enormous

00:36:59.429 --> 00:37:03.250
yeah and it really isn't yeah it's also not true

00:37:03.250 --> 00:37:07.570
yeah you know we have on on this very here podcast

00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.619
kind of talks about the average penis size is

00:37:10.619 --> 00:37:12.960
like five and a bit inches yeah or something

00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:17.400
like that so kind of like scientifically you

00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:21.039
think about standard deviations most people are

00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:24.179
somewhere between four and a bit and six and

00:37:24.179 --> 00:37:27.739
a bit yeah because that's how that works and

00:37:27.739 --> 00:37:29.699
half the people have less than five and a half

00:37:29.699 --> 00:37:33.159
and yeah yeah yeah you know so this obsession

00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:36.559
that we have with kind of massive porn style

00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:40.840
dicks It's just... I've never understood it.

00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:43.460
Yeah. Really. Do you have any preferences about

00:37:43.460 --> 00:37:45.099
it when you're watching it in porn mix? Because

00:37:45.099 --> 00:37:48.639
I know sometimes people with dicks have a preference

00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:50.500
to see a big dick in porn, and that always interests

00:37:50.500 --> 00:37:52.079
me, because a lot of the time it's straight men

00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:54.659
getting really hung up on looking at men's dicks,

00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:56.260
which I don't fully understand the reasoning

00:37:56.260 --> 00:37:58.980
for. There seems to be this desire to identify

00:37:58.980 --> 00:38:01.059
with the penis and therefore wanting it to be

00:38:01.059 --> 00:38:03.460
really big, and I don't know if that's something

00:38:03.460 --> 00:38:09.469
that you find. no not particularly not from an

00:38:09.469 --> 00:38:14.590
aesthetic perspective yeah i suppose um because

00:38:14.590 --> 00:38:16.309
i'm never looking at a penis going oh wouldn't

00:38:16.309 --> 00:38:18.289
it be great to be penetrated by that penis that's

00:38:18.289 --> 00:38:24.769
not how my brain works yeah um so i don't i i

00:38:24.769 --> 00:38:26.869
wouldn't value porn that includes people with

00:38:26.869 --> 00:38:29.190
big dicks over porn that includes people with

00:38:29.190 --> 00:38:32.590
average size penises i suppose there is an element

00:38:32.590 --> 00:38:36.849
there is an element though of the kind of porn

00:38:36.849 --> 00:38:41.010
that i do enjoy is usually someone with a penis

00:38:41.010 --> 00:38:44.530
being really mean with that penis to someone

00:38:44.530 --> 00:38:49.329
else yeah so in that respect kind of the bigger

00:38:49.329 --> 00:38:52.789
does sometimes have a benefit because the person

00:38:52.789 --> 00:38:54.210
on the end of it is probably having less of a

00:38:54.210 --> 00:38:56.329
good time yeah it's giving the appearance of

00:38:56.329 --> 00:38:58.230
having less of a good time a consensually bad

00:38:58.230 --> 00:39:00.909
time a consensually bad time we have a consensually

00:39:00.909 --> 00:39:04.570
bad time in this household yeah so if i'm If

00:39:04.570 --> 00:39:06.869
I'm watching porn of someone getting throat fucked,

00:39:07.110 --> 00:39:11.570
then a bigger penis is always going to be more

00:39:11.570 --> 00:39:13.730
fun to see. Yeah. Because it's more likely to

00:39:13.730 --> 00:39:15.710
have the result that I like to see when someone

00:39:15.710 --> 00:39:18.010
is being throat fucked. That's fair. You know?

00:39:18.170 --> 00:39:22.989
A lot more drooly. A lot more emission from the

00:39:22.989 --> 00:39:26.090
mouth. You do love an emission from the mouth.

00:39:26.309 --> 00:39:29.449
I do. Perfect. Yes. But also I think it's most

00:39:29.449 --> 00:39:35.090
porn features. people with penises that are outside

00:39:35.090 --> 00:39:37.409
of the standard deviations we just talked about

00:39:37.409 --> 00:39:40.010
so you are more likely to just see the you know

00:39:40.010 --> 00:39:42.469
yeah i think that's a lot of it you you kind

00:39:42.469 --> 00:39:44.630
of just expect to see a huge penis if you're

00:39:44.630 --> 00:39:46.650
watching porn that has people with penises in

00:39:46.650 --> 00:39:49.550
yeah yeah um so i think a lot of the time when

00:39:49.550 --> 00:39:52.250
people see one that isn't it's more like unfamiliarity

00:39:52.250 --> 00:39:56.969
it's like it's the little guy lost here how did

00:39:56.969 --> 00:40:00.230
you get there buddy yeah it's not that they necessarily

00:40:00.230 --> 00:40:03.400
have like if they were sort of isolated from

00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:05.059
those influences would they have any issue seeing

00:40:05.059 --> 00:40:07.079
a range of dick sizes in porn probably not but

00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.079
it's yeah yeah as soon as you see something that

00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:12.039
is very different from from the norm yeah it's

00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:13.599
hard to get your head around that i think i think

00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:16.119
anything that throws you off your nice little

00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:19.119
comfortable routine with porn yeah can be very

00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:21.920
disruptive for people sometimes yeah i guess

00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:24.500
yeah that makes sense it's not something that

00:40:24.500 --> 00:40:26.880
i've ever thought about really never really had

00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:29.079
that thought process i was always curious about

00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:31.380
it when i did sex work because there was a period

00:40:31.380 --> 00:40:33.960
of time where i was making videos with with someone

00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:36.960
who was like not like tiny but like probably

00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:39.099
a little bit on the lower side of average and

00:40:39.099 --> 00:40:42.980
like i i knew that some people would have preferences

00:40:42.980 --> 00:40:45.079
to see a big dick that's fine i had other content

00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:49.300
available um but people were like some of the

00:40:49.300 --> 00:40:51.820
men who bought the clips were genuinely furious

00:40:51.820 --> 00:40:55.500
right like really agitated that i was having

00:40:55.500 --> 00:40:57.320
sex with someone with a smaller than average

00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.679
dick right could not cope just blew their minds

00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:02.920
really really upset them and ruined their day

00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:05.199
and that level of reaction i don't understand

00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:07.639
because like i definitely have a preference for

00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.199
bigger but i don't have that reaction if i hook

00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:11.699
up with someone and they drop their pants and

00:41:11.699 --> 00:41:13.139
there's a couple inches less than i would like

00:41:13.139 --> 00:41:15.320
to see we're still gonna have a good time we're

00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:17.099
still gonna find good stuff to do it's just not

00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:19.639
gonna like tick every compatibility box for me

00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:23.170
yeah and for straight men who theoretically are

00:41:23.170 --> 00:41:25.190
not interested in other men's genitals that much

00:41:25.190 --> 00:41:29.530
they they really do care sometimes yeah there's

00:41:29.530 --> 00:41:31.570
probably a level of expectation about that isn't

00:41:31.570 --> 00:41:33.329
there about kind of like you say those stand

00:41:33.329 --> 00:41:37.829
the standard script for porn yeah is especially

00:41:37.829 --> 00:41:42.190
heterosexual appearing porn blonde hair big tits

00:41:42.190 --> 00:41:47.619
shaved pussy on the one hand Muscly with a massive

00:41:47.619 --> 00:41:49.699
cock on the other hand. Yeah. So if you don't

00:41:49.699 --> 00:41:51.639
see that and you're expecting it, I guess there

00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:53.980
might be that level of disappointment as well.

00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:59.900
Yeah. And porn is a fantasy, isn't it? So if

00:41:59.900 --> 00:42:01.420
you're kind of wanting to see a fantasy of what

00:42:01.420 --> 00:42:04.139
sex looks like, then a stereotypical male fantasy

00:42:04.139 --> 00:42:06.789
is probably Massive Dick. Yeah. I wish I had

00:42:06.789 --> 00:42:08.730
a massive dick. Yeah, I was thinking there's

00:42:08.730 --> 00:42:10.590
probably an element of wanting to project themselves

00:42:10.590 --> 00:42:13.849
into the male performer. Yeah, yeah. And rather

00:42:13.849 --> 00:42:15.630
than seeing a realistic version of themselves

00:42:15.630 --> 00:42:18.110
who is average in every way, they want the fantasy

00:42:18.110 --> 00:42:20.090
version of themselves. Yeah, yeah. Which I think

00:42:20.090 --> 00:42:21.349
is the bit I have trouble getting my head around

00:42:21.349 --> 00:42:24.210
because I'm not that way. I do sometimes want

00:42:24.210 --> 00:42:26.829
to imagine myself as someone in the porn, but

00:42:26.829 --> 00:42:29.329
I don't want to imagine myself as looking different

00:42:29.329 --> 00:42:31.460
than I look. I'm putting myself in their shoes.

00:42:31.539 --> 00:42:34.519
I'm not being them. Yeah, yeah. Like, I don't

00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:37.539
want my fantasy ruined by me pretending I'm much

00:42:37.539 --> 00:42:40.039
hotter than I actually am. When I know what the

00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:42.360
reality is, I would rather just stay in the reality

00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:44.840
and have the fantasy as the person I am. Yeah.

00:42:44.940 --> 00:42:46.119
Because otherwise, at some point, I'm going to

00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:47.880
have to open my eyes and I'm not going to have

00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:50.139
a 12 -inch dick anymore or whatever attribute

00:42:50.139 --> 00:42:53.460
it is that I'm projecting onto. Like, I very

00:42:53.460 --> 00:42:55.599
much fantasise as me, but I know that's not the

00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:59.059
case for everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess

00:42:59.059 --> 00:43:01.909
it's there. It gets quite deep and psychological,

00:43:02.030 --> 00:43:04.730
doesn't it? The purpose of consuming porn, I

00:43:04.730 --> 00:43:08.289
suppose. And there is that kind of... For your

00:43:08.289 --> 00:43:11.989
average person, and I don't mean that in a derogatory

00:43:11.989 --> 00:43:17.570
way, seeing someone who is above average is a

00:43:17.570 --> 00:43:22.909
way of fulfilling a fantasy, I suppose. I will

00:43:22.909 --> 00:43:27.070
say, curiously, for me, there is a limit on size

00:43:27.070 --> 00:43:34.989
beyond which it becomes less fun. Right. So take

00:43:34.989 --> 00:43:37.389
what I said before as an example, kind of watching

00:43:37.389 --> 00:43:40.449
someone getting fucked in the face, getting throat

00:43:40.449 --> 00:43:46.869
fucked by a large penis. Always fun to see. But

00:43:46.869 --> 00:43:50.170
if it is so big that the poor person on the receiving

00:43:50.170 --> 00:43:52.789
end of it physically cannot get more than three

00:43:52.789 --> 00:43:56.489
inches of it inside them because it is so ridiculously

00:43:56.489 --> 00:44:00.599
large and girthy. then it becomes a little bit

00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:05.079
pointless to me. It almost becomes like it should

00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:07.860
be hentai at that point. Yeah. You know, because

00:44:07.860 --> 00:44:11.480
that's a common feature in kind of a lot of hentai,

00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:14.139
isn't it? Kind of outrageously large penises.

00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:15.739
And tentacles and such things. And tentacles

00:44:15.739 --> 00:44:18.619
and things. Like when it gets to that point,

00:44:18.739 --> 00:44:21.460
it just becomes a little bit silly. Yeah, I can

00:44:21.460 --> 00:44:24.679
see that. Because you're not really getting much

00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:28.639
out of it. Yeah. So I like that kind of... sweet

00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:31.179
spot i suppose in penis size where you can see

00:44:31.179 --> 00:44:33.000
the whole thing disappearing into whichever hole

00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:36.760
it's going into yeah um that's my sweet spot

00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:38.500
too big enough to hurt but small enough to fit

00:44:38.500 --> 00:44:48.019
yeah that's the episode yeah there it is i tend

00:44:48.019 --> 00:44:53.000
to know it when i hear it i think a lot of the

00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:55.739
the problem and why it becomes such a kind of

00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:58.119
tricky topic to talk about sometimes is that

00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:01.739
so much of like some people have a size preference

00:45:01.739 --> 00:45:04.900
and some people prefer bigger has become this

00:45:04.900 --> 00:45:09.320
sort of social phenomenon that just fucks everyone

00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:11.920
over where we have phrases like big dick energy

00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:15.440
yeah that's not a thing i have met some very

00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:17.960
very confident and self -possessed people with

00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:20.579
very small penises and i know some very anxious

00:45:20.579 --> 00:45:25.980
dogs with massive ones oh yeah who i think you

00:45:25.980 --> 00:45:31.340
know so it's like big dick energy is not a thing

00:45:31.340 --> 00:45:35.179
um and like it being people sort of go to body

00:45:35.179 --> 00:45:37.719
shaming thing um is to go oh well he's got a

00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.400
small dick or like if you see a man being insecure

00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:45.739
or misogynistic or just generally acting in a

00:45:45.739 --> 00:45:48.699
a way that you look down on immediately going

00:45:48.699 --> 00:45:50.039
he's behaving like that because he's got a small

00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:52.510
dick and he's compensating it's like Or he just

00:45:52.510 --> 00:45:55.730
is a dick. Yeah, yeah. Like, he can have 12 inches

00:45:55.730 --> 00:45:57.570
and that doesn't make what he's saying any less

00:45:57.570 --> 00:46:01.230
obnoxious. Yeah. It's become something that's

00:46:01.230 --> 00:46:03.090
seen as like a value judgment and an indicator

00:46:03.090 --> 00:46:04.969
of someone's worth, not even just their sexual

00:46:04.969 --> 00:46:07.070
worth, like their worth as a human being. Yeah.

00:46:07.090 --> 00:46:08.969
And that's really toxic and that's really fucked.

00:46:09.449 --> 00:46:12.369
But I think because of that, we've sort of culturally

00:46:12.369 --> 00:46:14.230
started to have this shift of like, okay, making

00:46:14.230 --> 00:46:16.369
fun of people's penis size is not okay, which

00:46:16.369 --> 00:46:18.369
it's not. No, no. So then it becomes a little

00:46:18.369 --> 00:46:21.599
bit taboo to say, but... You do have to be so

00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:27.760
tall to ride. Like, for me personally, or for

00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:29.860
any individual personally, it's okay to have

00:46:29.860 --> 00:46:31.820
preferences and standards for your compatibility

00:46:31.820 --> 00:46:35.599
and how you like to have sex. Yeah. For me, sex

00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:37.500
needs to feel a little bit painful, a little

00:46:37.500 --> 00:46:39.380
bit degrading. I like the sensation of being

00:46:39.380 --> 00:46:41.860
stretched and really full. And realistically

00:46:41.860 --> 00:46:44.300
below a certain amount of inches, like, that's

00:46:44.300 --> 00:46:46.139
not going to happen for me. Yeah. And there might

00:46:46.139 --> 00:46:47.840
be still a lot of other great stuff we can do.

00:46:47.940 --> 00:46:52.090
Yeah. I've been very, very lucky to have my relationship

00:46:52.090 --> 00:46:54.090
with you and a previous relationship that had

00:46:54.090 --> 00:46:56.869
a very high level of sexual compatibility. I'm

00:46:56.869 --> 00:46:59.030
not likely to settle for partial compatibility

00:46:59.030 --> 00:47:02.110
at this point in my life because I know that

00:47:02.110 --> 00:47:06.489
I don't have to. Yeah. I think you make an excellent

00:47:06.489 --> 00:47:11.869
point. It's like, it's a variation on, for me

00:47:11.869 --> 00:47:14.909
anyway, it's a variation on all bodies are good

00:47:14.909 --> 00:47:19.980
bodies. Yes. That is true. That's not up for

00:47:19.980 --> 00:47:22.739
debate. But there's nothing wrong with saying,

00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.059
but these are the types of bodies that I like.

00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:28.320
Yeah. Both of those things can be true. Yeah.

00:47:28.420 --> 00:47:33.199
You don't have to be attracted to all of the

00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:35.260
body types in order to be a good person. Yeah.

00:47:35.300 --> 00:47:37.059
You can acknowledge that there's nothing fundamentally

00:47:37.059 --> 00:47:39.679
wrong with any of them. They are all beautiful

00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:43.599
and wonderful in their own way. But these are

00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:45.460
the types of bodies that I like to see naked.

00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:51.050
Yeah. and that's okay yeah um and it's the same

00:47:51.050 --> 00:47:53.449
with it's the same with penis sizes there's no

00:47:53.449 --> 00:47:57.329
such thing as a bad penis size generally but

00:47:57.329 --> 00:48:02.789
you like big ones i do and that's okay too yeah

00:48:02.789 --> 00:48:05.030
and some people like small ones yeah and like

00:48:05.030 --> 00:48:06.989
the massive three foot long tentacle dildos i

00:48:06.989 --> 00:48:09.849
physically i do not know where they go no i i

00:48:09.849 --> 00:48:12.389
would love to but i'm just not built like that

00:48:12.389 --> 00:48:16.079
no congratulations to the people who are no I

00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:19.360
do quite like seeing those really big, like,

00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:22.840
insertion porn videos. Yeah. But it is more of

00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:26.099
a morbid, slightly morbid fascination than anything

00:48:26.099 --> 00:48:27.820
else. Like a magic trick. Yeah, because I'm like,

00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:32.719
where the fuck is it going? Yeah. Like, that's

00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:35.579
perforating your stomach at this point, surely.

00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:40.219
yeah and like i know some of it is like i know

00:48:40.219 --> 00:48:43.039
with anal insertions you can kind of wiggle things

00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:45.659
around the bends basically so it's flexible dildo

00:48:45.659 --> 00:48:47.760
it can go pretty deep yeah sometimes just the

00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:50.480
girth of it it's like is your pelvis not in the

00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:55.239
way yeah yeah yeah it's yeah it's it's nuts yeah

00:48:55.239 --> 00:49:01.320
um there you go i don't think we've told this

00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:03.059
story on the podcast before but now that i've

00:49:03.059 --> 00:49:06.360
revealed that i am a shameless size queen yeah

00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:09.539
i think it's time to tell a story about the early

00:49:09.539 --> 00:49:12.280
days of our relationship because we were in a

00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:14.679
relationship before i ever saw your penis yes

00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:18.280
which is wild it makes me feel like i'm in like

00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:21.559
the 1900s saying that it's very bridgerton of

00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:24.800
us isn't it yeah I never, never looked upon it.

00:49:25.340 --> 00:49:27.679
So the first few times we played together, we

00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:30.460
did a lot of kinky stuff, but not a lot of sexual

00:49:30.460 --> 00:49:33.219
stuff. And then there was one time before we

00:49:33.219 --> 00:49:36.679
started dating where you did fuck my throat,

00:49:36.739 --> 00:49:40.050
but I was blindfolded. So I got... I got a feel

00:49:40.050 --> 00:49:43.010
for it, but I didn't get to thoroughly assess

00:49:43.010 --> 00:49:46.530
it. So we got into a relationship without me

00:49:46.530 --> 00:49:49.289
really having a clear idea of what size it was

00:49:49.289 --> 00:49:51.449
and what it looked like. And because that is

00:49:51.449 --> 00:49:53.909
quite an important factor for me, I was quite

00:49:53.909 --> 00:49:58.909
nervous. And then after we'd been dating a couple

00:49:58.909 --> 00:50:01.730
of weeks, your penis got on board with the relationship.

00:50:02.090 --> 00:50:06.210
And I discovered that you are very blessed. Thanks.

00:50:07.010 --> 00:50:09.750
Extremely blessed. Thank you. But I reveal to

00:50:09.750 --> 00:50:12.610
you... Like I didn't tell you this for months

00:50:12.610 --> 00:50:14.309
and months and months because it is quite embarrassing.

00:50:14.710 --> 00:50:16.829
But I did eventually reveal to you that I had

00:50:16.829 --> 00:50:18.449
been quite nervous about that because it felt

00:50:18.449 --> 00:50:20.230
pretty big when it was in my mouth. But yeah,

00:50:20.309 --> 00:50:22.769
as I've mentioned, my gag reflex is very sensitive.

00:50:22.889 --> 00:50:24.989
Yeah, they generally do feel pretty big when

00:50:24.989 --> 00:50:27.550
they're in my mouth. I was quite nervous about

00:50:27.550 --> 00:50:29.210
it. And I admitted that to you and you said,

00:50:29.230 --> 00:50:31.090
well, what would you have done if after you'd

00:50:31.090 --> 00:50:32.809
fallen in love with me and we got into a relationship,

00:50:33.010 --> 00:50:35.610
you found out it was it was small. Yeah, I would

00:50:35.610 --> 00:50:42.139
have cried. And you judged me so hard. i did

00:50:42.139 --> 00:50:48.659
yes but i think i think i want to clarify okay

00:50:48.659 --> 00:50:52.519
in a gently mocking way i know just to be just

00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:55.440
to be clear yeah and i think it speaks to how

00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:56.980
much i was in love with you because i didn't

00:50:56.980 --> 00:51:01.159
say oh i would have left or oh i would have immediately

00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:04.219
told you to like go and get a giant sleeve to

00:51:04.219 --> 00:51:06.599
put on it i would have cried because i was committed

00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:15.190
and i was staying But I was disappointed. Oh,

00:51:15.190 --> 00:51:18.829
yeah. So the lesson that our listeners should

00:51:18.829 --> 00:51:22.130
take from this is that if penis size matters

00:51:22.130 --> 00:51:27.530
to you, get it out as soon as possible. Yeah.

00:51:28.369 --> 00:51:30.289
But it's like, because you don't even send dick

00:51:30.289 --> 00:51:34.099
pics. No. Like, it pokes me. It took me a lot

00:51:34.099 --> 00:51:36.099
longer than that to get a dick pic. It must have

00:51:36.099 --> 00:51:37.519
been at least six months into the relationship

00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:39.920
that I finally got a dick pic out of you. Yeah.

00:51:40.260 --> 00:51:42.519
Because I'm a rare person who loves to receive

00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:45.480
a dick pic. And do not send me them. That is

00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:48.179
not a request. That is not an invitation. No,

00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:51.340
not strangers. I like to receive a dick pic from

00:51:51.340 --> 00:51:54.079
someone I either am having sex with or am seriously

00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:56.139
considering having sex with. So if we're at the

00:51:56.139 --> 00:51:58.960
sexting stage, if we're at the making plans for

00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:01.380
hookup stage, if we are already seeing each other.

00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:04.699
yes i want to see a dick if you are a random

00:52:04.699 --> 00:52:06.840
stranger from the internet i do not want to see

00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:09.219
it i have seen plenty it's not that special even

00:52:09.219 --> 00:52:15.360
if it is big even if it's massive yeah if i want

00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:17.320
to see a massive dick they are not hard to find

00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:19.000
as we have mentioned they are the standard in

00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:22.679
porn yes that is very true and also i live with

00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:30.429
one you live with a massive dick wow You live

00:52:30.429 --> 00:52:32.389
with a massive dick who's well endowed. Yeah,

00:52:32.449 --> 00:52:38.610
I do. I think you're handling this episode really

00:52:38.610 --> 00:52:41.150
well. I was expecting a lot more. It's just above

00:52:41.150 --> 00:52:43.949
average. But no, you've embraced it and I love

00:52:43.949 --> 00:52:47.489
that. Yeah, to be fair, I think you've behaved

00:52:47.489 --> 00:52:51.269
fairly well as well because I was fully expecting.

00:52:51.510 --> 00:52:53.829
So obviously we have an outline. Yes. We are

00:52:53.829 --> 00:52:56.440
both looking at the outline as we speak. And

00:52:56.440 --> 00:52:59.219
there is a section of the outline which says,

00:52:59.340 --> 00:53:02.619
talk about S's giant cock. I did mostly put that

00:53:02.619 --> 00:53:05.559
there to get a reaction from you, to be honest.

00:53:05.699 --> 00:53:08.639
Yeah. I knew we'd talk about it, but I didn't

00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:10.980
want the episode to just be me bullying you and

00:53:10.980 --> 00:53:12.960
making you talk about your dick, fun as it is.

00:53:13.219 --> 00:53:15.599
Yeah, because I was fully expecting you to ask

00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:18.500
me, so S, what's it like? How does it feel to

00:53:18.500 --> 00:53:20.960
have such a massive penis? I mean, now you've

00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:29.269
brought it up. How does that feel, Miss? to be

00:53:29.269 --> 00:53:33.150
fair it feels okay do you know i i think it's

00:53:33.150 --> 00:53:36.670
a really interesting thing no i say interesting

00:53:36.670 --> 00:53:40.849
a lot don't i i think your penis is really interesting

00:53:40.849 --> 00:53:43.889
because i've thought about this right i have

00:53:43.889 --> 00:53:48.809
thought about why am i the way i am about my

00:53:48.809 --> 00:53:52.690
penis why can't i just accept that actually it

00:53:52.690 --> 00:53:58.280
is a decent size And for someone who is in a

00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:02.519
relationship with someone who likes size, that

00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:05.539
is a good thing. So why don't I embrace that

00:54:05.539 --> 00:54:09.559
and go, yeah, actually, my dick's pretty big.

00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:15.219
Isn't that great? And I think it's because I've

00:54:15.219 --> 00:54:19.639
paid attention to the feedback from people who

00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:21.760
are on the receiving end of dick pics all the

00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:26.940
time. Yeah. And I have paid attention to the

00:54:26.940 --> 00:54:32.519
fact that penis size doesn't matter at a global

00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:37.380
level. Yeah. So it's kind of almost kind of underplaying

00:54:37.380 --> 00:54:39.360
it a little bit because I don't want to be that

00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:41.300
arsehole who brags about the size of his dick.

00:54:41.900 --> 00:54:47.019
That's fair. And, you know, kind of maybe I have

00:54:47.019 --> 00:54:49.980
taken to heart too much that you don't send dick

00:54:49.980 --> 00:54:54.949
pics. kind of approach to life so you know there's

00:54:54.949 --> 00:54:56.610
maybe a little bit of kind of over correction

00:54:56.610 --> 00:55:00.329
in there which would surprise you know surprise

00:55:00.329 --> 00:55:04.750
nobody who who knows me to be fair um the overthinking

00:55:04.750 --> 00:55:09.110
got you again yeah but i've always been kind

00:55:09.110 --> 00:55:12.269
of conscious of of that sort of thing and you

00:55:12.269 --> 00:55:14.349
know nobody likes someone who brags about the

00:55:14.349 --> 00:55:15.750
size of their penis because i'm not going to

00:55:15.750 --> 00:55:18.250
yeah and not only am i not going to i'm going

00:55:18.250 --> 00:55:20.519
to want to play it Plus you do hate anything

00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:22.420
that could possibly be perceived as a compliment.

00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:25.559
Plus I hate anything that could be possibly perceived

00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:28.559
as a compliment. So even accepting that all penises

00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:30.380
are good penises and penis size doesn't matter

00:55:30.380 --> 00:55:32.739
on a global level and all of this. If you know

00:55:32.739 --> 00:55:34.519
I like a big dick and I'm saying your dick's

00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:36.920
big, that's a compliment and the alarm starts

00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:43.949
going off. Yeah. Yeah. But no, I totally get

00:55:43.949 --> 00:55:45.690
what you're saying. I think, like, yeah, there

00:55:45.690 --> 00:55:48.710
is a stereotype in your head of the person who

00:55:48.710 --> 00:55:50.110
goes around telling everyone they've got a big

00:55:50.110 --> 00:55:53.170
dick and sending dick pics out. And it's not

00:55:53.170 --> 00:55:55.929
the same as acknowledging, like, yeah, I know

00:55:55.929 --> 00:55:58.550
how big it is. I've been told. And it's not the

00:55:58.550 --> 00:56:00.730
same as sending a dick pic with consent. But

00:56:00.730 --> 00:56:05.130
it's that worry about how it might land or the

00:56:05.130 --> 00:56:08.010
overall impression you could give. Yeah. If you

00:56:08.010 --> 00:56:09.809
start doing those things even in a different

00:56:09.809 --> 00:56:12.510
context. Yeah. I get that. I think so. I think

00:56:12.510 --> 00:56:15.409
so. And this is going to sound like a very controversial

00:56:15.409 --> 00:56:18.449
opinion. And I am not in any way body shaming

00:56:18.449 --> 00:56:23.250
anyone who has any type of penis. But I personally

00:56:23.250 --> 00:56:28.150
don't find dick pics all that attractive. Oh,

00:56:28.170 --> 00:56:30.909
I love a dick pic. I could talk about this all

00:56:30.909 --> 00:56:34.550
day. There's a whole episode in this. Again,

00:56:35.190 --> 00:56:37.530
not an invitation. Do not send me pictures of

00:56:37.530 --> 00:56:40.280
your penis. From someone I'm attracted to. yeah

00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:42.239
like there is just nothing hotter to me i know

00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:45.539
i'm really quite uncommon with that but i i think

00:56:45.539 --> 00:56:48.659
dicks are beautiful yeah and and it's not exclusive

00:56:48.659 --> 00:56:51.119
to dicks like i like people's nudes and like

00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:54.199
if i'm if i'm involved with someone who has a

00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:56.699
vagina like i like pictures of that too yeah

00:56:56.699 --> 00:56:58.619
i think a lot of i i hear a lot of women say

00:56:58.619 --> 00:57:00.480
like why do men send us pictures of their dicks

00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:02.539
we're not sending close -up like flaps open pussy

00:57:02.539 --> 00:57:04.639
pics it's like You can send them to me as well.

00:57:04.739 --> 00:57:08.360
I think genitals are great. I think they're really

00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:11.059
hot. But there does seem to be that double standard,

00:57:11.139 --> 00:57:13.179
doesn't there? Where it is more accepted to...

00:57:13.179 --> 00:57:18.079
Not unsolicited, sent through FetLife DMs kind

00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:22.360
of thing. But there is less criticism of flaps

00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:26.309
out vagina pictures than there is of... penis

00:57:26.309 --> 00:57:28.949
pictures yeah i think part of it is because of

00:57:28.949 --> 00:57:31.389
the types of pictures they tend to be like yeah

00:57:31.389 --> 00:57:33.969
generally you don't see as many extreme close

00:57:33.969 --> 00:57:37.469
-ups of vaginas it's usually part of a like not

00:57:37.469 --> 00:57:39.690
necessarily a full head to toe but like more

00:57:39.690 --> 00:57:42.369
of the body and shot yeah tend to be shot a little

00:57:42.369 --> 00:57:45.789
bit better tend to be a little bit more aware

00:57:45.789 --> 00:57:47.250
of their background a little bit less of like

00:57:47.250 --> 00:57:49.670
a toilet in the background or yeah your foot

00:57:49.670 --> 00:57:51.710
with a broken toenail sticking half into the

00:57:51.710 --> 00:57:53.309
shot and things like that you know yeah yeah

00:57:53.309 --> 00:57:55.190
that doesn't happen as much and it's a bit of

00:57:55.190 --> 00:57:57.940
a stereotype like This is sort of going off the

00:57:57.940 --> 00:58:00.679
fact that most people taking pictures of their

00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:03.320
own vagina are women who tend to be a little

00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:05.019
bit more conscious of those things just because

00:58:05.019 --> 00:58:08.340
of how they're raised. And that's not necessarily

00:58:08.340 --> 00:58:10.099
always the case. Not for all women and not all

00:58:10.099 --> 00:58:12.179
people with a vagina are women. And there are

00:58:12.179 --> 00:58:14.260
some people with dicks who are taking absolute

00:58:14.260 --> 00:58:18.460
fucking bangers of shots. Yeah. But I think there's

00:58:18.460 --> 00:58:20.599
a part of that where generally the average dick

00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:22.280
pic you've seen is not as good as the average

00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:25.320
pussy picture you've seen. Yeah. Yeah. True.

00:58:25.739 --> 00:58:28.139
But also I think it's probably because it's less

00:58:28.139 --> 00:58:29.500
likely that you're going to receive a picture

00:58:29.500 --> 00:58:31.880
of pussy without consent. And so that is immediately

00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:34.699
off -putting if you're opening an unsolicited

00:58:34.699 --> 00:58:37.599
DM and it's someone's dick, regardless of whether

00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:40.360
it's, you know, only halfway hard, posed in front

00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:42.480
of a toilet with a bit of fluff hanging off the

00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:46.500
end of it. That just makes it worse. Yeah, I

00:58:46.500 --> 00:58:50.360
get that. I get that. And like, obviously I am

00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:56.019
a human person. um aroused by other humans so

00:58:56.019 --> 00:58:59.840
i enjoy seeing naked people pictures of naked

00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:03.920
people absolutely a well a well -made picture

00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:06.519
of somebody with a penis and their penis is out

00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:08.619
and hard i'm like yeah that's a good picture

00:59:08.619 --> 00:59:12.780
that's a hot picture but the penises themselves

00:59:12.780 --> 00:59:19.800
i i are aesthetically less pleasing to me yeah

00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:22.309
i think that's quite common even for like For

00:59:22.309 --> 00:59:24.030
a lot of people who are attracted to people with

00:59:24.030 --> 00:59:26.909
penises, the penis is not the focus. Yeah. Where

00:59:26.909 --> 00:59:30.190
I am violently attracted to penises. I think

00:59:30.190 --> 00:59:33.090
they're really hot. Big, big fan of them. That's

00:59:33.090 --> 00:59:38.429
valid. Totally valid. So there's a little bit

00:59:38.429 --> 00:59:40.670
of that as well. And I guess there is the artistic

00:59:40.670 --> 00:59:43.170
side of it as well. I'm just not that good at

00:59:43.170 --> 00:59:47.010
taking pictures of myself. I tend to avoid it.

00:59:48.199 --> 00:59:50.920
Well, a lot of the best pictures of your face

00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:53.480
and body generally have been taken by me. I'm

00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:55.260
very good at taking pictures of you, so I think

00:59:55.260 --> 00:59:56.659
we've found the solution to your lack of dick

00:59:56.659 --> 01:00:04.539
pics. Yeah, probably. Because a lot of ones I

01:00:04.539 --> 01:00:07.360
get are blurry ones of you, like as you get out

01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:09.320
of the shower and you haven't managed to get

01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:11.619
away from my camera fast enough. Yeah, yeah.

01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:14.820
So. We'll do some proper photo shoots. The famous

01:00:14.820 --> 01:00:21.119
cryptid dick pic. Yes. No, have I just agreed

01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:24.360
to let you take even more pictures of me? I think

01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:25.860
you might have done, Mix, and it's on camera.

01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:28.739
No, it's not. No, it's not. It's on microphone.

01:00:28.940 --> 01:00:33.820
It's on microphone. It will be on camera. I had

01:00:33.820 --> 01:00:37.679
camera on the brain. Yeah. Oh, God. Anyway, I'm

01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:39.179
going to give you a break from talking about

01:00:39.179 --> 01:00:41.039
your penis. Do you want to tell us about some

01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:43.760
other... Large objects that you like to put inside

01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:49.360
people mix? Yeah, anything that will fit, basically.

01:00:49.699 --> 01:00:56.840
That's a good answer. But we've tried a few different

01:00:56.840 --> 01:01:02.179
things, as well as my penis. We've tried dildos

01:01:02.179 --> 01:01:05.059
of various sizes. We have a decent range of dildo

01:01:05.059 --> 01:01:11.469
sizes and firmnesses and shapes as well. including

01:01:11.469 --> 01:01:14.610
an inflatable one that I absolutely love to talk

01:01:14.610 --> 01:01:17.429
to you with. Yes, because those, they're very

01:01:17.429 --> 01:01:20.329
much designed for gradual sort of training to

01:01:20.329 --> 01:01:22.929
stretch. So you pump it up a little bit and use

01:01:22.929 --> 01:01:24.750
it a little bit and then pump it up a little

01:01:24.750 --> 01:01:27.269
bit more. But your preferred technique is to

01:01:27.269 --> 01:01:29.389
put it in at its minimum size and then rapidly

01:01:29.389 --> 01:01:32.670
pump it up as big as it'll go, which is, even

01:01:32.670 --> 01:01:34.829
for me, deeply unpleasant, but in a hot way.

01:01:35.369 --> 01:01:38.289
It's proper genital torture, that, and I love

01:01:38.289 --> 01:01:41.039
it. And I think that's definitely why I enjoy

01:01:41.039 --> 01:01:44.840
it. Yeah. Because it is just about kind of very

01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:47.820
much taps into that, treating you like an object

01:01:47.820 --> 01:01:51.860
and causing you pain. Yeah. Kind of thing, very

01:01:51.860 --> 01:01:55.400
visceral kind of response that it gets to that.

01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:57.940
And I just love the noises that you make. Kind

01:01:57.940 --> 01:02:01.739
of pump it up really quickly, just to the point

01:02:01.739 --> 01:02:04.440
where it feels like, in my head, it feels like

01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:06.659
you're about to burst or something. And then

01:02:06.659 --> 01:02:09.440
letting it go, just like... on inflating it just

01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:11.579
as quickly yeah so it shrinks back down really

01:02:11.579 --> 01:02:13.519
really quickly as well yeah so i don't even get

01:02:13.519 --> 01:02:15.019
a chance to get used to it before you go again

01:02:15.019 --> 01:02:17.739
yeah so and like doing that in rapid succession

01:02:17.739 --> 01:02:21.539
is is always a fun uh always a fun time yeah

01:02:21.539 --> 01:02:26.039
um but we've used we've talked about the the

01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:28.380
rounders bat slash baseball bat that we have

01:02:28.380 --> 01:02:30.519
which is probably not much different to some

01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:32.860
of the dildos that we have but solid because

01:02:32.860 --> 01:02:35.739
it's wood yeah it's completely rigid and also

01:02:35.739 --> 01:02:39.159
the end is obviously it's not It's not designed

01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:41.179
to be inserted, so it's a completely flat end

01:02:41.179 --> 01:02:44.500
going in. Yeah, yeah. So I really feel the stretch

01:02:44.500 --> 01:02:47.159
a lot more from that because I don't have even

01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:49.960
that sort of half a second between the tip going

01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:52.420
in and the rest of it to adjust to the thickness.

01:02:52.500 --> 01:02:55.739
It's just full on. Yeah. We do put a condom over

01:02:55.739 --> 01:02:57.340
that as well to make sure that I don't get any

01:02:57.340 --> 01:02:58.880
splinters because that could be quite unpleasant.

01:02:59.019 --> 01:03:03.599
We've also used the handle of the... fluffy club

01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:07.119
that we have, which was made by Ironic Crafts.

01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:12.579
Yes. Wonderful maker that we see at BBB quite

01:03:12.579 --> 01:03:15.500
frequently. Some incredible stuff that they make

01:03:15.500 --> 01:03:18.460
with wood. Yeah. Fun to be hit with as well,

01:03:18.519 --> 01:03:20.460
not just inserted. Yeah, like really big, chunky,

01:03:20.679 --> 01:03:26.579
knobbled, square, heavy, wooden club, isn't it?

01:03:26.639 --> 01:03:28.880
Yeah. But it's got a handle which is great for

01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:34.460
fucking with as well. So again, put a condom

01:03:34.460 --> 01:03:37.199
on that because it's a really nice it's a really

01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:39.019
nice piece and we don't want it to take the varnish

01:03:39.019 --> 01:03:41.440
off when we put it inside you yeah because i

01:03:41.440 --> 01:03:43.159
think that one's waxed so that would probably

01:03:43.159 --> 01:03:45.539
strip quite easily yeah that is a little bit

01:03:45.539 --> 01:03:49.440
tapered but not very yeah it's still quite it's

01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:51.300
quite bulbous on the end isn't it it's bigger

01:03:51.300 --> 01:03:53.820
at the end than it is in there yeah like i think

01:03:53.820 --> 01:03:55.940
it's at its widest point it's similar to the

01:03:55.940 --> 01:03:58.619
bat but it's slightly easier to get in but not

01:03:58.619 --> 01:04:02.599
very not very which is always fun Yeah. What

01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:05.860
else have we used? I feel like we've got a rolling

01:04:05.860 --> 01:04:08.539
pin. Yes. A couple of rolling pins. You've used

01:04:08.539 --> 01:04:12.400
rolling pins, yes. Of various sizes and materials.

01:04:12.860 --> 01:04:16.840
Yeah. What else is there? I think that's probably

01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:18.880
all the non -standard stuff mix. Other than that,

01:04:18.900 --> 01:04:21.659
it's just a range of normal toys of various sizes.

01:04:22.019 --> 01:04:26.420
A wide array of dildos. Yeah. that we've used

01:04:26.420 --> 01:04:28.679
I've used other things myself as well in the

01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:31.960
past I've used various sort of things like shampoo

01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:34.619
bottles like the go -to like you're in the shower

01:04:34.619 --> 01:04:36.199
and halfway through the shower you decide you

01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:37.719
need to be violently fucked and you just grab

01:04:37.719 --> 01:04:39.980
whatever's nearby right so if you can find it

01:04:39.980 --> 01:04:41.519
in a bathroom and it's phallic I've probably

01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:45.699
used it but I did also once fuck myself with

01:04:45.699 --> 01:04:48.579
a cucumber I just became overwhelmed with the

01:04:48.579 --> 01:04:50.719
need to buy something to fuck myself with yeah

01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:53.019
as soon as possible and was passing a supermarket

01:04:53.019 --> 01:04:55.719
so that's what I went for bought a cucumber yeah

01:04:55.719 --> 01:04:59.139
did you did was it a cucumber because some cucumbers

01:04:59.139 --> 01:05:01.760
come plastic wrapped it did come plastic wrapped

01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:04.480
mix yes did you take the plastic wrap off i did

01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:07.500
yes mix because um the ends of a cucumber are

01:05:07.500 --> 01:05:09.760
too tapered like it wouldn't go deep enough for

01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:11.820
me to get to the really girthy bit yeah but if

01:05:11.820 --> 01:05:13.719
you just snap it in half then it's a little bit

01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:16.780
too like If you've not inserted anything else

01:05:16.780 --> 01:05:18.599
beforehand, that's a little bit hard to get in.

01:05:18.780 --> 01:05:21.320
Right. So I took the plastic wrap off, broke

01:05:21.320 --> 01:05:23.500
it in half, and gnawed the end until it was a

01:05:23.500 --> 01:05:29.699
little bit tapered. Good grief. You really were

01:05:29.699 --> 01:05:31.579
desperate that day, weren't you? I was, yes,

01:05:31.619 --> 01:05:33.280
Mix. Does this surprise you at all? Not at all.

01:05:33.300 --> 01:05:37.780
You've seen how I get. Not even slightly. I'm

01:05:37.780 --> 01:05:40.039
quite surprised you've never used anything like

01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:43.460
a cucumber or other random food products on me,

01:05:43.480 --> 01:05:46.190
to be fair. You do like to put random things

01:05:46.190 --> 01:05:49.909
in me, so... You make a very good point. You

01:05:49.909 --> 01:05:51.570
make a very good point, perhaps I should fix

01:05:51.570 --> 01:05:56.090
that. Yes. Various vegetables. Which seems really

01:05:56.090 --> 01:05:58.210
obvious when you say it out loud, isn't it? Because

01:05:58.210 --> 01:06:00.989
it's one of those things which is weirdly...

01:06:00.989 --> 01:06:05.170
It's one of those things which, to my slightly

01:06:05.170 --> 01:06:07.550
warped perception, I suppose, is surprisingly

01:06:07.550 --> 01:06:10.969
mainstream. Yeah. Like, food is part of sex,

01:06:11.130 --> 01:06:13.949
and putting food inside you, putting things that

01:06:13.949 --> 01:06:17.980
are food. inside you yeah like surprisingly mainstream

01:06:17.980 --> 01:06:21.480
i feel like we are sort of the kind of kinky

01:06:21.480 --> 01:06:23.780
that have kind of skipped past a lot of the light

01:06:23.780 --> 01:06:26.440
end of kink just yeah because we already knew

01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:28.460
a lot of what we wanted i think maybe you less

01:06:28.460 --> 01:06:30.699
so because you've done a lot of sort of more

01:06:30.699 --> 01:06:32.099
kind of what would be considered like mainstream

01:06:32.099 --> 01:06:35.199
kink before we got together and i corrupted you

01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:39.159
um but you still i think always had the tendency

01:06:39.159 --> 01:06:42.139
to like hit really hard and yeah and play quite

01:06:42.139 --> 01:06:45.969
hard yeah and i think sort of skipping past the

01:06:45.969 --> 01:06:49.630
kind of more sensual more mainstream food play

01:06:49.630 --> 01:06:51.829
will be an element of that same as how neither

01:06:51.829 --> 01:06:54.329
of us have got into wax just got straight into

01:06:54.329 --> 01:06:56.929
burning me with cigarettes yeah without true

01:06:56.929 --> 01:06:58.590
without anything in the middle we don't do a

01:06:58.590 --> 01:07:02.269
lot of kind of sensory kink or sensual kink we

01:07:02.269 --> 01:07:05.590
do a lot of yeah quite extreme and intense kink

01:07:05.590 --> 01:07:09.050
so that's maybe why why we skipped the cucumbers

01:07:09.050 --> 01:07:16.079
and went for the rounders back true So you said

01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:18.420
bottles and things that you found in the bathroom.

01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:20.500
What about beer bottles and things like that?

01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:24.000
I don't think... I'm trying to think now. Wine

01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:27.219
bottles. No, I don't think I ever have. I don't

01:07:27.219 --> 01:07:29.579
think I have used those mix. I'm always a little

01:07:29.579 --> 01:07:32.260
bit wary of glass. I think it's smart to be a

01:07:32.260 --> 01:07:34.920
little bit wary of glass. And with all of this

01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:36.980
stuff, I think it's worth a little bit of a safety

01:07:36.980 --> 01:07:39.300
mention. If you're using something inside your

01:07:39.300 --> 01:07:41.000
body that isn't designed to go inside your body,

01:07:41.059 --> 01:07:43.139
there is always some level of risk with that.

01:07:43.280 --> 01:07:45.480
And the risk varies a little bit depending on

01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:46.980
what it is and what you're doing with it. But

01:07:46.980 --> 01:07:50.519
anything wooden, there's a splinter risk and

01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:52.760
an infection risk because it's an organic material

01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:56.460
and it's porous. If you are using glass, there's

01:07:56.460 --> 01:07:58.400
obviously a risk of it cracking or... chipping

01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:02.639
or god forbid shattering um if you are using

01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:05.280
foods there's infection risks from that like

01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:07.619
none of that stuff is is ever going to be sterile

01:08:07.619 --> 01:08:09.840
or able to be really even thoroughly cleaned

01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:13.440
yeah um putting a condom over things is always

01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:15.679
a good idea if it's not designed to go in a body

01:08:15.679 --> 01:08:17.920
but that isn't going to eliminate all risk like

01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:19.739
we use condoms to reduce the risk of splinters

01:08:19.739 --> 01:08:22.159
from the bat but it's a condom is designed to

01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:25.340
stop sperm not splinters so if it's splintered

01:08:25.340 --> 01:08:27.239
badly there is still a risk there it's about

01:08:27.239 --> 01:08:29.180
deciding like what's an acceptable level of risk

01:08:29.180 --> 01:08:31.760
for you yeah um so i've used solid glass toys

01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:34.319
and i have this was deeply unwise i did once

01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:36.060
fuck myself with like one of those really large

01:08:36.060 --> 01:08:38.500
test tubes again just because i was horny and

01:08:38.500 --> 01:08:41.319
it wasn't it was within reach um but i wouldn't

01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:42.939
do that again because afterwards i realized that

01:08:42.939 --> 01:08:45.640
was really high risk that yeah very easily broken

01:08:45.640 --> 01:08:48.539
it's quite thin yeah glass isn't it not wise

01:08:48.539 --> 01:08:51.939
um but i think that's why i've generally avoided

01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:55.359
yeah glass bottles and things yeah that makes

01:08:55.359 --> 01:08:59.560
sense that seems smart and wise to be to be careful

01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:03.300
and yeah you're right all of this stuff is you

01:09:03.300 --> 01:09:05.680
know sounds a bit silly doesn't it you kind of

01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:07.020
talk about putting big things inside you but

01:09:07.020 --> 01:09:09.140
actually if it's not designed to go inside you

01:09:09.140 --> 01:09:11.720
then there is always going to be a a risk of

01:09:11.720 --> 01:09:15.449
it yeah and there's never like a need to use

01:09:15.449 --> 01:09:17.810
those non -standard things whatever size you're

01:09:17.810 --> 01:09:20.649
into you can find it in toys toys get made everywhere

01:09:20.649 --> 01:09:23.390
from like the size of your little finger up to

01:09:23.390 --> 01:09:25.010
the kind of size where you look at it and go

01:09:25.010 --> 01:09:27.109
surely that can't fit inside a human body that's

01:09:27.109 --> 01:09:29.930
not possible yeah um anything that you want you

01:09:29.930 --> 01:09:32.210
can get in a toy but there's something for me

01:09:32.210 --> 01:09:36.350
about the kind of the the slightly dirty feeling

01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:38.800
of using something that isn't supposed to be

01:09:38.800 --> 01:09:41.239
for that and i think tying into that sort of

01:09:41.239 --> 01:09:43.359
that sexual greed i talked about earlier and

01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:45.979
those moments in my life where i've been so horny

01:09:45.979 --> 01:09:47.579
i've just got to fuck myself with something that's

01:09:47.579 --> 01:09:50.180
within reach yeah like tapping into that like

01:09:50.180 --> 01:09:52.579
just so horny you're stupid because of it and

01:09:52.579 --> 01:09:55.039
you'll fuck anything yeah yeah is really hot

01:09:55.039 --> 01:09:57.319
to play with um so i think that's why i like

01:09:57.319 --> 01:09:59.979
some of the improvised toys but it's not these

01:09:59.979 --> 01:10:03.420
are not body safe options no this is this is

01:10:03.420 --> 01:10:11.560
also rack Yes. Yeah. And we've talked about the

01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:17.600
monster dildos and tentacle dildos and stuff

01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:22.279
like that. But we haven't got any of them. We've

01:10:22.279 --> 01:10:24.760
seen them when we've been out and about at markets

01:10:24.760 --> 01:10:26.720
and things like that and kind of looked at them

01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:30.130
and gone, hmm, yeah. but then never purchased

01:10:30.130 --> 01:10:33.189
them yeah i think it's always been we tend to

01:10:33.189 --> 01:10:34.569
spot them at the end of the market when we've

01:10:34.569 --> 01:10:36.310
already overspent i think that's been the problem

01:10:36.310 --> 01:10:37.770
it's something we're working our way around to

01:10:37.770 --> 01:10:39.590
we'll get there eventually i like a tentacle

01:10:39.590 --> 01:10:42.710
dildo i've used them in the past yeah um i don't

01:10:42.710 --> 01:10:45.670
like the ones that look like animal dicks that

01:10:45.670 --> 01:10:47.689
just yicks me out a little bit like the horse

01:10:47.689 --> 01:10:50.510
ones and the dog ones and stuff no judgment people

01:10:50.510 --> 01:10:53.069
like what they like a dildo is not an animal

01:10:53.069 --> 01:10:55.250
you're not doing it any harm by using it if you

01:10:55.250 --> 01:10:56.729
like the shape and you like the way that feels

01:10:57.340 --> 01:10:59.800
crack on but yeah for me i just wouldn't be able

01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:01.579
to get the animal out of my head while i was

01:11:01.579 --> 01:11:03.779
using it i think and that would give me the ick

01:11:03.779 --> 01:11:06.319
yeah um but tentacles even though that's also

01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:08.380
a part of an animal i think because i more associate

01:11:08.380 --> 01:11:10.659
it with like fantasy porn and monsters than i

01:11:10.659 --> 01:11:13.319
do an octopus yeah yeah that feels a little different

01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:15.979
to me and they just feel really interesting like

01:11:15.979 --> 01:11:17.859
yeah textures and stuff they're a lot of fun

01:11:17.859 --> 01:11:20.439
knobbly and yeah knobbly and stuff gives you

01:11:20.439 --> 01:11:22.319
an experience you really aren't going to get

01:11:22.319 --> 01:11:25.180
from a human penis so no which i imagine is the

01:11:25.180 --> 01:11:27.920
appeal of the the sort of the like wolf and horse

01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:29.699
dicks for a lot of people it's not necessarily

01:11:29.699 --> 01:11:32.380
about the animal it might be for some people

01:11:32.380 --> 01:11:34.000
who knows but i think for a lot of people it's

01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:36.239
just about getting a very different physical

01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:38.000
sensation than you're going to get from a human

01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:39.739
penis yeah because they're quite different shapes

01:11:39.739 --> 01:11:42.060
yeah because with some of them you get like the

01:11:42.060 --> 01:11:43.760
bulbous bit at the base don't you which is like

01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:45.380
you push it in so far and then you get that kind

01:11:45.380 --> 01:11:48.529
of pop is it yeah like the the appeal of the

01:11:48.529 --> 01:11:51.029
sort of the like dog or wolf style ones is because

01:11:51.029 --> 01:11:52.909
it's got the knot yeah which is very different

01:11:52.909 --> 01:11:55.170
and then with the the horse ones it's obviously

01:11:55.170 --> 01:11:57.810
got like they've got a weird almost like kind

01:11:57.810 --> 01:11:59.829
of almost like a triangle head like a very flattened

01:11:59.829 --> 01:12:01.649
kind of triangle head so it's really blunt going

01:12:01.649 --> 01:12:04.590
in yeah um so people tend to to like that like

01:12:04.590 --> 01:12:07.090
a bit like an elephant's trunk don't they they

01:12:07.090 --> 01:12:09.470
do flat at the end it's the kind of thing that

01:12:09.470 --> 01:12:12.069
is fun to see there is you know there's a few

01:12:12.069 --> 01:12:16.859
people on fetlife who will post themselves absolutely

01:12:16.859 --> 01:12:20.420
railing themselves using a fucking machine and

01:12:20.420 --> 01:12:26.979
enormous like like you say like horse cocks or

01:12:26.979 --> 01:12:30.020
wolf cock kind of things and it's great to watch

01:12:30.020 --> 01:12:33.119
slightly morbidly fascinating because it's like

01:12:33.119 --> 01:12:36.659
where is that going inside you where are your

01:12:36.659 --> 01:12:39.739
body where are your organs while this is happening

01:12:40.390 --> 01:12:42.569
but also how is this not shattering your pelvis

01:12:42.569 --> 01:12:47.689
yeah um but it's yeah i think it's more that

01:12:47.689 --> 01:12:51.329
kind of you would i i would get the same enjoyment

01:12:51.329 --> 01:12:54.989
out of a massive penis shaped dildo doing the

01:12:54.989 --> 01:12:57.630
same sort of thing yeah i think you know yeah

01:12:57.630 --> 01:13:00.149
it's it's not really the shape of it that's that's

01:13:00.149 --> 01:13:04.310
important to me but i am fascinated to see i

01:13:04.310 --> 01:13:07.529
am really interested to see if we do get like

01:13:07.529 --> 01:13:12.229
tentacle dildos like how big they could go i

01:13:12.229 --> 01:13:15.869
suppose because you start off with one that will

01:13:15.869 --> 01:13:18.550
be challenging but achievable and actually does

01:13:18.550 --> 01:13:22.270
that change over time yeah you know how big can

01:13:22.270 --> 01:13:25.350
we how wide can we stretch you out but they're

01:13:25.350 --> 01:13:27.770
expensive they are if you want a good one yeah

01:13:27.770 --> 01:13:30.270
expensive aren't they no doubt you can get them

01:13:30.270 --> 01:13:35.310
off amazon but no tiktok shop tiktok do not buy

01:13:35.310 --> 01:13:38.880
a tentacle dildo off tiktok shop no Or Amazon,

01:13:39.039 --> 01:13:43.020
to be fair. No. No, even if something is labelled

01:13:43.020 --> 01:13:44.380
as silicone, there's a lot of different grades

01:13:44.380 --> 01:13:46.859
of silicone and getting from an actual reputable

01:13:46.859 --> 01:13:50.380
sex toy maker, you're more likely going to be

01:13:50.380 --> 01:13:52.239
getting the right grade that's going to be safe

01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:55.300
for your body. It doesn't mean that everyone

01:13:55.300 --> 01:13:57.739
who's selling sex toys who says they're reputable

01:13:57.739 --> 01:14:00.579
actually is using the right stuff, but if you're

01:14:00.579 --> 01:14:02.340
paying quite a bit for a silicone dildo from

01:14:02.340 --> 01:14:04.140
a company that has a good reputation and a lot

01:14:04.140 --> 01:14:05.800
of good reviews, it's more likely to be the right

01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:08.489
stuff. Yes. But it's not just all about when

01:14:08.489 --> 01:14:12.810
we put large things inside you. It's not just

01:14:12.810 --> 01:14:15.149
a case of spreading your legs and going at it,

01:14:15.210 --> 01:14:18.270
is it? There are things that we do to make it

01:14:18.270 --> 01:14:22.449
easier to get the large things inside you. Especially

01:14:22.449 --> 01:14:24.229
if it's the first time with something bigger

01:14:24.229 --> 01:14:27.050
than I've handled before. Yes. I mean, the obvious

01:14:27.050 --> 01:14:29.890
one is lots of lube. Yes. A good amount of lube

01:14:29.890 --> 01:14:33.869
to begin with. And then wipe it off and then

01:14:33.869 --> 01:14:41.399
ram it inside you. yeah um but also like giving

01:14:41.399 --> 01:14:44.079
you orgasm seems to help as well kind of doing

01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:47.199
it after you've had an orgasm yeah definitely

01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:51.000
yeah the more aroused you are the more stretchy

01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:54.840
the vagina gets yeah so having an orgasm or getting

01:14:54.840 --> 01:14:56.859
very close to one is a good way to prepare for

01:14:56.859 --> 01:14:59.520
that kind of thing um like i think a lot of people

01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:01.220
just assume that when it's because when you're

01:15:01.220 --> 01:15:03.000
aroused you're wet but actually regardless of

01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:04.699
how wet or not wet you are because you can use

01:15:04.699 --> 01:15:07.260
lube to fix that yeah it actually changes how

01:15:07.260 --> 01:15:09.479
the tissue behaves like it becomes a lot more

01:15:09.479 --> 01:15:13.140
sort of flexible and soft yeah um so getting

01:15:13.140 --> 01:15:16.260
really really turned on will Make everything

01:15:16.260 --> 01:15:18.319
go like a little bit wider and a little bit deeper

01:15:18.319 --> 01:15:20.800
and stretch a lot easier. So it can be really

01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:23.479
helpful and reduce the risk of like a bad tearing

01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:28.039
or bad discomfort, bad pain. Yeah. Plus it's

01:15:28.039 --> 01:15:30.560
great because it means I get to come. Yeah, which

01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:32.819
is always a bonus for you. Yeah. Always a fun

01:15:32.819 --> 01:15:38.260
time. Sometimes we will use poppers as well.

01:15:39.340 --> 01:15:43.460
We have a gas mask, which is always fun. So I

01:15:43.460 --> 01:15:44.899
put the gas mask on you and we've got a little

01:15:44.899 --> 01:15:46.579
contraption that you put on the side of it, which

01:15:46.579 --> 01:15:49.600
means I can use a little squeezy pump to give

01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:54.659
you a hit of the poppers. Yeah. They are vasodilators.

01:15:55.100 --> 01:15:56.960
They are, yes, Mick. So it causes a lot of your

01:15:56.960 --> 01:15:59.420
muscles to relax as well. Yeah. Everything just

01:15:59.420 --> 01:16:02.500
kind of goes a bit slack. So poppers are really

01:16:02.500 --> 01:16:05.560
good. No, Miller, you can't be doing that. You

01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:07.100
can't be snuffling the microphone because it

01:16:07.100 --> 01:16:11.279
will pick it up. so yeah poppers are really good

01:16:11.279 --> 01:16:13.060
like i think the thing that people generally

01:16:13.060 --> 01:16:15.560
associate poppers with is anal stretching and

01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:18.220
anal sex because that really does relax your

01:16:18.220 --> 01:16:20.939
butt and help help get things in but a lot of

01:16:20.939 --> 01:16:23.720
the time with with vaginal stretching as well

01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:26.600
you will have it's normal however much you want

01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:28.539
to do it to have a little bit of a fear response

01:16:28.539 --> 01:16:30.220
when you see something really big coming it's

01:16:30.220 --> 01:16:32.479
like jesus fucking christ that's not gonna fit

01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:34.859
and you naturally tense up and kind of clench

01:16:34.859 --> 01:16:37.159
your pelvic floor yeah and it's quite hard to

01:16:37.159 --> 01:16:39.619
consciously unclench that that's something that

01:16:39.619 --> 01:16:41.800
i i've worked on sort of getting myself to do

01:16:41.800 --> 01:16:43.380
because if i tense up i'm more likely to cause

01:16:43.380 --> 01:16:45.020
myself an injury and not be able to do it for

01:16:45.020 --> 01:16:47.659
a while which sucks yeah but poppers can really

01:16:47.659 --> 01:16:49.680
give you a good shortcut around that and relax

01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:51.460
things and they tend to make me a bit hornier

01:16:51.460 --> 01:16:53.840
and as we said being horny also helps with the

01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:57.359
relaxing and stretching so yeah poppers are good

01:16:57.359 --> 01:17:03.789
hurrah But I guess it's worth kind of pointing

01:17:03.789 --> 01:17:06.569
out at this point, there are risks to taking

01:17:06.569 --> 01:17:09.510
poppers. It is a chemical that you are inhaling.

01:17:09.569 --> 01:17:12.449
So do your research, understand what you're doing

01:17:12.449 --> 01:17:16.649
and don't take our word for it. Yeah. It's probably

01:17:16.649 --> 01:17:20.149
a smart thing to say at that point. Yeah, definitely.

01:17:20.350 --> 01:17:21.890
I think we've talked about poppers a few times

01:17:21.890 --> 01:17:23.670
on the podcast and like with literally anything

01:17:23.670 --> 01:17:26.050
we talk about, I would not encourage anyone to

01:17:26.050 --> 01:17:28.130
listen to this podcast and then go, right, I'm

01:17:28.130 --> 01:17:29.810
just going to go do that and not research anything

01:17:29.810 --> 01:17:32.489
else. However much we talk about safety and negotiation

01:17:32.489 --> 01:17:34.789
and consent and all of that good, important stuff.

01:17:35.390 --> 01:17:37.329
I don't think there's been a single episode we've

01:17:37.329 --> 01:17:38.770
done where I'd go, yeah, that's a complete how

01:17:38.770 --> 01:17:41.029
-to guide with nothing missing from it. We're

01:17:41.029 --> 01:17:42.890
here to share our experiences, talk about what

01:17:42.890 --> 01:17:44.689
we like and potentially give people some ideas

01:17:44.689 --> 01:17:47.960
to jump off and try things themselves. After

01:17:47.960 --> 01:17:49.859
doing all of the other learning that goes on

01:17:49.859 --> 01:17:51.600
with that. All the other reading and stuff. Yes.

01:17:51.760 --> 01:17:56.319
Yes. Considering how much time we have spent

01:17:56.319 --> 01:17:59.800
putting some pretty big items inside me. Yeah.

01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:02.220
Including your penis. Including my penis, yes.

01:18:02.779 --> 01:18:05.439
It took us ages to get to the point where you

01:18:05.439 --> 01:18:09.760
could fist me. Yeah. It did. I think that was

01:18:09.760 --> 01:18:12.340
only about six months ago, maybe, that we managed

01:18:12.340 --> 01:18:15.140
that for the first time. Yeah, it's curious,

01:18:15.380 --> 01:18:21.369
isn't it? How that seems to have been the harder

01:18:21.369 --> 01:18:24.069
thing. I mean, you do not have small hands. No,

01:18:24.109 --> 01:18:26.970
that is true. Like, you have both long and girthy

01:18:26.970 --> 01:18:32.069
hands. Big, wide knuckles. Because I have been

01:18:32.069 --> 01:18:35.789
fisted before, but admittedly not by the majority

01:18:35.789 --> 01:18:38.189
of partners. Like, most people that I've been

01:18:38.189 --> 01:18:40.470
with wouldn't have been able to fist me. There's

01:18:40.470 --> 01:18:41.850
a couple of people I've been with who had very

01:18:41.850 --> 01:18:43.689
small hands, like similar sized hands to me.

01:18:43.989 --> 01:18:46.829
Yeah. And that was doable with them. Yeah, yeah.

01:18:48.000 --> 01:18:50.479
It's not been something that's ever felt achievable

01:18:50.479 --> 01:18:52.819
for me with partners with big hands. And because

01:18:52.819 --> 01:18:56.500
you are six foot five, your hands are big. Are

01:18:56.500 --> 01:18:59.579
in proportion. Very proportional. Yeah. To the

01:18:59.579 --> 01:19:02.300
rest of me. Yes. Yeah. And you also tend to have

01:19:02.300 --> 01:19:04.640
quite long nails, which I really like. Yeah.

01:19:04.720 --> 01:19:06.520
But I think that makes it more challenging as

01:19:06.520 --> 01:19:09.699
well. Yeah. A little bit spiky. Yeah. And the

01:19:09.699 --> 01:19:11.880
spiky isn't necessarily a problem. Like the spiky

01:19:11.880 --> 01:19:13.720
I like, like one of the reasons I like your nails

01:19:13.720 --> 01:19:16.369
really long. We really are revealing like. how

01:19:16.369 --> 01:19:18.989
much i like my holes damaged tonight yeah um

01:19:18.989 --> 01:19:21.470
but i really like when you finger me with sharp

01:19:21.470 --> 01:19:23.949
nails yeah like i'm really into that a little

01:19:23.949 --> 01:19:26.430
bit of tearing again like those small not particularly

01:19:26.430 --> 01:19:29.310
dangerous tears really adds a bit of spice the

01:19:29.310 --> 01:19:31.529
problem you have when you're fisting me is that

01:19:31.529 --> 01:19:33.930
if you go in fingertips first which you have

01:19:33.930 --> 01:19:36.390
to like this sort of stereotypical image people

01:19:36.390 --> 01:19:38.640
have a fisting of just clenching your fist and

01:19:38.640 --> 01:19:40.979
ramming it in there yeah unless someone's really

01:19:40.979 --> 01:19:42.939
really loosened up like you're not gonna be able

01:19:42.939 --> 01:19:44.420
to do that you're always gonna have to go in

01:19:44.420 --> 01:19:46.920
fingertips first yeah but then once you're in

01:19:46.920 --> 01:19:49.600
you struggle to sort of curl your fingers in

01:19:49.600 --> 01:19:51.939
to kind of form the fist or yeah or to adjust

01:19:51.939 --> 01:19:54.359
your position at all because it it's not just

01:19:54.359 --> 01:19:56.439
about your nails catching me it's about it hurting

01:19:56.439 --> 01:19:58.319
you if your nails catch at that point it's gonna

01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:01.199
snag them yeah um so your nails make it a bit

01:20:01.199 --> 01:20:03.859
more difficult but A lot of it is just, like,

01:20:03.899 --> 01:20:06.539
I've got quite a narrow pelvis. Like, when you

01:20:06.539 --> 01:20:08.079
try to get your fist into me, we've had to do

01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:10.239
quite a lot of trial and error with positioning

01:20:10.239 --> 01:20:11.920
and angles and stuff so you don't actually get

01:20:11.920 --> 01:20:14.399
stuck on my bones. It's not just a stretching

01:20:14.399 --> 01:20:16.239
issue at that point. It's like, actually, is

01:20:16.239 --> 01:20:17.760
that physically going to go in? And I didn't

01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:20.100
think it would for a long time. Yeah, yeah. No,

01:20:20.159 --> 01:20:22.840
you're right. But we got there. Perseverance,

01:20:22.859 --> 01:20:28.079
wasn't it, for a while. But I think there's,

01:20:28.100 --> 01:20:29.359
like, a technique to it as well. Because, like

01:20:29.359 --> 01:20:31.939
you say, it's not a case of, right, make a fist.

01:20:33.100 --> 01:20:36.159
punch your way in sort of thing you know that

01:20:36.159 --> 01:20:37.619
might be possible for some people that might

01:20:37.619 --> 01:20:39.640
be possible for people who've been doing really

01:20:39.640 --> 01:20:42.560
big insertions for ages and ages yeah and and

01:20:42.560 --> 01:20:48.560
have a differently shaped anatomy to you um but

01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:51.739
for us it's about kind of it's adding fingers

01:20:51.739 --> 01:20:54.119
at a time yeah kind of thing starting off with

01:20:54.119 --> 01:20:56.520
two adding another one adding another one adding

01:20:56.520 --> 01:20:58.539
the thumb and then kind of going in that way

01:20:58.539 --> 01:21:02.239
yeah and being quite like gentle with it weirdly

01:21:02.720 --> 01:21:05.119
For trying to put a fist inside you. Yeah. But,

01:21:05.159 --> 01:21:08.659
like, not hammering away at it. No, you've never,

01:21:08.739 --> 01:21:11.060
like, violently fisted me because it's intense

01:21:11.060 --> 01:21:12.920
enough. You don't need to. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:21:13.739 --> 01:21:16.779
So it's that kind of constant steady pressure.

01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:21.960
Yeah. Of, like, easing my way in kind of thing.

01:21:22.880 --> 01:21:27.199
But it's great. It was great. First time we managed

01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:32.079
to do it. And I get more or less my whole hand.

01:21:32.840 --> 01:21:36.500
in there it's amazing yeah it felt like such

01:21:36.500 --> 01:21:39.039
an achievement for me yeah maybe not what most

01:21:39.039 --> 01:21:40.659
people consider an achievement not something

01:21:40.659 --> 01:21:42.560
you like ring your parents up and go i finally

01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:45.479
achieved my dream for that but it was a big deal

01:21:45.479 --> 01:21:47.239
for me because i've always loved the idea of

01:21:47.239 --> 01:21:49.319
that but it's been so rare that it's been something

01:21:49.319 --> 01:21:51.500
that i'm even remotely capable of with a partner

01:21:51.500 --> 01:21:54.020
and i never expected it to be possible for someone

01:21:54.020 --> 01:21:56.880
with hands like yours yeah um and we worked at

01:21:56.880 --> 01:21:58.420
that and worked at that and worked at that for

01:21:58.420 --> 01:22:01.680
ages yeah um alongside all the other stuff that

01:22:01.680 --> 01:22:03.920
we do and figured it out. I don't know if it

01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:07.000
was that I got a little bit more stretchy or

01:22:07.000 --> 01:22:08.579
if it was that we were just doing a bit of trial

01:22:08.579 --> 01:22:10.260
and error with angles or a little bit of both.

01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:13.699
Yeah. But now it seems to be something you can

01:22:13.699 --> 01:22:15.920
pretty reliably do. Like some days I can take

01:22:15.920 --> 01:22:19.340
it easier than others, but now we generally know

01:22:19.340 --> 01:22:21.500
we can do it. I think the first time that we

01:22:21.500 --> 01:22:25.880
managed to get fully in was probably when we

01:22:25.880 --> 01:22:28.140
were doing a lot of the other things that we

01:22:28.140 --> 01:22:30.500
talked about as well. So like you were really

01:22:30.500 --> 01:22:35.659
turned on. using poppers um i can't remember

01:22:35.659 --> 01:22:39.560
if you'd had an orgasm possibly i think so if

01:22:39.560 --> 01:22:41.479
i'm remembering it right it was the first time

01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:43.000
that you fucked me with the rounders bat while

01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:46.060
going down on me yeah so not only an orgasm but

01:22:46.060 --> 01:22:48.600
like that is that is always the strongest orgasm

01:22:48.600 --> 01:22:51.260
i have yeah the combination of a really large

01:22:51.260 --> 01:22:55.130
item yeah and oral is just fucking perfect yeah

01:22:55.130 --> 01:22:58.130
um it's like when i come from that it's like

01:22:58.130 --> 01:23:01.970
a fucking exorcism like my my brain leaves my

01:23:01.970 --> 01:23:06.670
body and flies around the room so after that

01:23:06.670 --> 01:23:09.189
you can do pretty much anything to me yeah yeah

01:23:09.189 --> 01:23:13.409
so it's like that kind of confluence of things

01:23:13.409 --> 01:23:15.170
coming together which kind of really worked out

01:23:15.170 --> 01:23:17.789
yeah and now it seems to be something that we

01:23:17.789 --> 01:23:20.250
can do fairly fairly reliably which is always

01:23:20.250 --> 01:23:26.670
fun I always like to see it. And it doesn't need

01:23:26.670 --> 01:23:30.449
to come along with the usual sort of meanness

01:23:30.449 --> 01:23:32.829
and degradation and stuff like that that is a

01:23:32.829 --> 01:23:34.689
feature of a lot of the stuff that we do. It

01:23:34.689 --> 01:23:40.010
doesn't need that. It's its own process, I suppose.

01:23:40.649 --> 01:23:43.770
We're kind of doing it in that kind of really

01:23:43.770 --> 01:23:49.529
supportive, kind of non -mean kind of way. It's

01:23:49.529 --> 01:23:54.510
like, okay, so now make it mean. Yeah. Yeah,

01:23:54.529 --> 01:23:56.489
I think I'm ready for that. Now make it sadistic.

01:23:56.569 --> 01:23:59.390
Yeah. That sort of thing. With the vampire gloves

01:23:59.390 --> 01:24:02.390
on. Oh, God. I am joking. Please don't do that.

01:24:03.930 --> 01:24:09.689
Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. I'm going to get

01:24:09.689 --> 01:24:12.649
banned. People complain, well, they said it on

01:24:12.649 --> 01:24:14.130
Don't Scare the Newbies. They said it would be

01:24:14.130 --> 01:24:17.510
fine. Yeah, let's not do that. No. that's one

01:24:17.510 --> 01:24:19.149
of those things that's hot as a fantasy but in

01:24:19.149 --> 01:24:26.850
reality hospital yes i have a lot of those don't

01:24:26.850 --> 01:24:29.270
i know it yeah don't i know it well there was

01:24:29.270 --> 01:24:31.649
a smutty book i was reading a while ago where

01:24:31.649 --> 01:24:33.789
there was a character who had loads of barbs

01:24:33.789 --> 01:24:36.550
implanted in his penis and i was chatting to

01:24:36.550 --> 01:24:37.949
you about it being like you should get that and

01:24:37.949 --> 01:24:39.930
you were like no for both our sakes absolutely

01:24:39.930 --> 01:24:46.199
not no no no no That's ridiculous. Ridiculous.

01:24:47.319 --> 01:24:50.020
I think we might be done. I think we might. It's

01:24:50.020 --> 01:24:51.699
just for you to wrap up however you like, as

01:24:51.699 --> 01:24:54.680
I've helpfully written in the outline. Yes, I

01:24:54.680 --> 01:24:56.779
do love it when you say. wrap up however you

01:24:56.779 --> 01:24:59.020
like well i think it's just you know we've been

01:24:59.020 --> 01:25:00.800
co -hosting this podcast together long enough

01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:02.760
now and i understand the division of labor is

01:25:02.760 --> 01:25:04.880
i outline and edit and you set up the microphones

01:25:04.880 --> 01:25:06.699
because my hands are too weak to deal with the

01:25:06.699 --> 01:25:10.479
microphone stands um but i think as as we go

01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:12.239
on it's good to give you a little bit of agency

01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:14.380
and ownership over our shared creative project

01:25:14.380 --> 01:25:16.880
and to leave these random blank spots in the

01:25:16.880 --> 01:25:18.739
outline where you suddenly have to think of things

01:25:18.739 --> 01:25:22.020
when there's a microphone i think it's part of

01:25:22.020 --> 01:25:25.140
your your growth and your journey Drive my journey.

01:25:27.460 --> 01:25:30.199
Do you know what? I have decided, because on

01:25:30.199 --> 01:25:34.579
the day that we are recording this is the day

01:25:34.579 --> 01:25:37.720
that the episode that we recorded with Tom and

01:25:37.720 --> 01:25:41.819
Kay from Insert Here Kink was released. Yes.

01:25:42.159 --> 01:25:45.560
And we had a conversation in that episode about

01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:48.779
the slightly cheesy word journey. Yes. And Kay

01:25:48.779 --> 01:25:55.010
referred to their journey. as an escapade yes

01:25:55.010 --> 01:25:57.970
and i think that's the word that we should use

01:25:57.970 --> 01:26:02.569
my gender escapade my kink escapade i'm on board

01:26:02.569 --> 01:26:04.590
with this i will forget though because i'd slip

01:26:04.590 --> 01:26:07.409
back into journey so easily sounds so much better

01:26:07.409 --> 01:26:10.289
than journey yeah so shout out to k for that

01:26:10.289 --> 01:26:13.590
genius idea yes um and there you go that's how

01:26:13.590 --> 01:26:15.529
we're wrapping up the episode today it's you're

01:26:15.529 --> 01:26:16.750
not going to say anything about shoving things

01:26:16.750 --> 01:26:19.090
in holes for the wrap -up mix you're just abandoning

01:26:19.090 --> 01:26:21.949
the topic completely We have talked about several

01:26:21.949 --> 01:26:29.050
ways of shoving things in holes, which is always

01:26:29.050 --> 01:26:31.229
a fun thing to do. I would encourage people to

01:26:31.229 --> 01:26:33.329
do their appropriate level of research and risk

01:26:33.329 --> 01:26:35.649
assessment. Yes. And if they want to give it

01:26:35.649 --> 01:26:37.750
a go, because it's a good time. An excellent

01:26:37.750 --> 01:26:40.789
piece of advice. Thanks. Thank you. See you next

01:26:40.789 --> 01:26:43.369
time. Bye. That's what you get for making me

01:26:43.369 --> 01:26:45.310
come up with my own wrap up. That's a good wrap

01:26:45.310 --> 01:27:07.180
up. See you next time.