I don't know if I said, but I do have a title
suggestion, which is Poker and Fun. I like it.
You're welcome to that one. I said I would do
an event called that, but I will never organise
an event. I could do it as a alternating with
my water sports event going for gold. Excellent
stuff. Welcome to Don't Scare the Newbies, a
podcast where we talk kink, raw and unfiltered.
I'm Carisel, a lifestyle submissive in a 24 -7
dynamic who likes their kink heavy, intense and
scary. And I'm S, Carisel's dominant, who knows
how to deliver all of the above. And today we
have a guest. Mark is here to talk to us about
sharps play. Hurrah. I was waiting for one of
your one -liners. No, I know. I couldn't think
of one for today. Get to the point. Get to the
point. Oh, come on. Mark's going to take your
job. Yeah, I'll just go. Well, I was going to
start by welcoming Mark, but given that he's
stolen my job, I'm not sure I will. Maybe Mark
should welcome you as my new co -host. Yeah,
there you go. Take it away, Mark. So welcome,
S. I understand... I understand nothing, actually.
Why don't you introduce us today? I understand
that you have a guest today. We do have a guest,
yes. Who might that be? Our former friend, Mark.
I suppose that's where we should start, isn't
it? Talk about how we met. I think you two met
before I met you. Is that right? We did. I showed
up in Carizzo's Fat Life inbox, which is not
something that we recommend new people do. No.
In general, I don't mean Carizzo specifically.
I did something which, it's not a faux pas, it's
a perfectly legitimate thing to do, and it does
have... As you can see, it can have positive
outcomes, but yes, often new people are told
to be wary of. I wasn't new to FetLife. I was
new to this instance of FetLife. I actually originally
was on FetLife in 2008, but I never engaged with
anything local. I used it as a social media,
as a forum. And so yeah, when I decided to rejoin
and kind of start approaching the scene and approaching
people. Actually, today, before I came out, I
actually went back through my DMs and read the
first message that I was sent to Cruisel. Very
prepared. I have no memory of what you said.
I remember you seemed like a reasonably safe
human. Yeah, basically a message saying, hi,
I'm a local sadist, among other things. We have
these shared interests. I am interested also
in exploring these things that... you have experience
with and I don't, which I believe was Cutting
and Burning. Right. Would you like to chat potentially
with a viewer to play down the line, but not
with the expectation? Yeah, yeah. And I think
she said, you know, I think it's because I was
adding you as a friend and obviously I didn't
want to send a bland friend request. Yeah. And
then I got a... Polite positive response. And
then I believe we just went out for coffee. Yeah,
and you said meet me in Costa, and I didn't know
there was more than one Costa. And there was
a bit of wandering around Newcastle. Ah, yes,
I remember this. But then we did it. We got to
the right Costa, yes. So yes, we did the thing
that's sensible to do if you're ever meeting
someone from the internet, which is meet in a
public place. Not what I typically did when I
met people from the internet in those days, to
be fair. Yes. And, yeah, I think we had a sound
cast. I think it must be a good couple of hours
we had a chat for. I think so, yeah. Just established
we were on the same page with things. And I think
at the end I was like, so would you be interested
in playing at some point? And you said yes. Yeah.
And then we agreed on what we were going to do,
which was applying a surgical stapler to the
soles of your feet. And then we had a period
of about two months of having to rearrange and
cancel because of actually having a space to
do things. Yeah, well, neither of us were living
alone. You obviously don't live on your own and
I was living with my ex at the time. And me and
my ex have a pretty good friendship and we're
pretty open about a lot of things, but there's
a difference between being open and actually
playing with someone else with a... inch -thick
wall separating you. Absolutely, yeah. But the
solution we found was, once I started dating
Mix, was for you to come here. Enter Mix. Yes,
and that turned out being very, very good. Yeah,
yeah. Yes, it was kind of an interesting one
as I was... I sort of approached you at the point
you were kind of just sort of starting to have
this thing with their sort of... I think they
realised it was... It's going to be a bit more
serious and enveloping. Yeah. So, yes, we ended
up... Our first scene together was the foot stapling.
Yes. Actually, with us as assistants. Yeah. And
I believe you did put at least one staple in,
didn't you? Yeah, I think I did. Maybe did one
in each foot. Yes, you did. I remember that,
yes. I think you wanted to have a go at the removal,
but I think because they were so painful and
you'd never done it before, I requested that...
the more experienced person through the refusal.
Yeah, because this was something that I had absolutely
no experience of and was just completely fascinated
by it. So I was, I don't know, I guess I was
the sharps cuck for the evening, sitting in the
corner watching. Well, actually, you weren't
sat in the corner watching. You were actually,
you can edit this out if this undermines your
terrifying persona anyway, but you're actually
holding Caruso's hand and encouraging them and
reassuring them. And it was really nice because
it, I mean, because that's the sort of thing
I usually do during a scene. Certainly if someone
new, you know, I have a mean, verbal bastard
side, but I generally don't bring that out if
I'm doing something with someone new, something
that they have not tried before. You know, it
can be slightly different in ongoing dynamics,
but I generally kind of, so it's kind of nice
to have you take a bit of that as well and able
to sort of assist with that. But yes, I do go
into... I kind of went into what I call my GP
voice mode. You're going to feel a sharp scratch.
You're doing very well. Which honestly makes
it more terrifying. I think it probably would
have been less scary if you'd been verbally degrading
me and stuff. The GP voice was terrifying. That
is part of it, yes. I understand certainly for
certain bottoms that actually your pain threshold
will go up when you're being degraded. it was
more with that sort of thing of, you know, I
need you to not be in subspace in some degree.
You know, I do need feedback on how much I'm
hurting you with that sort of thing. And obviously
to do any sort of verbal or even like power exchange
side, it's just an extra level of negotiation,
which is fine, which I'm willing to do. It just
so happens that when I was doing that for the
first time, and also that was my first time playing
with someone else for quite a while as well,
as I had said, because of, various things. I
don't know if anyone's heard of the COVID -19
pandemic, if anyone remembers that. Might be
vague. I've heard some of the lore. But even
before that, I'd had some horrible spinal issues
for a long time. So I'd been kind of, I hadn't
really done any play with anyone else for a while.
I'd done some solo play. I was like, okay, I
need to check that I can still do this stuff.
So, you know, I tried a few staples on myself
and a few needles on myself as well. I'd kind
of check, okay, yes, I still know how to do this.
I did try one staple on my foot so I knew now
I'm I'm diabetic so I have to be very very careful
what happens to my feet so I couldn't do more
than one but just so I knew roughly what it was
going to be like I did put one in my sole and
I was like that's a bit rough isn't it and it
was like I thought i i'd done a fair bit with
staples i hadn't and still have no experience
with with needles but i'd done a lot with staples
because my ex -partner was interested in sharps
but had a phobia of needles so we went for staples
and i'd done what i thought was some pretty heavy
stuff with staples and i was like yeah yeah yeah
staples are no bother um and then i found having
them in my feet was very different and it's permanently
changed my relationship with staples as well
where now that's a much more intense form of
play for me than it used to be just purely because
of the association I'm so proud of that. I shouldn't
be, but I'm so proud of that. You know, I did
traumatise you in a sense, and I don't mean that
in a negative or a horrible... And I don't want
to sound glib about that, but, you know, I did
kind of, yeah, change my relationship to him.
I mean, the thing with staples is... Sorry, go
on. Sorry. I mean, the thing with staples is,
yeah, I mean, I imagine we've discussed the various
forms of shafts play at some point, but we're
talking about surgical staples here. We're not
talking about getting an office stapler. Although
I'd be lying if I said I never messed about with
one of those in my teens. These are medical staplers
for sterile staplers, prepackaged, forced, sealing
wounds. The main difference is that whereas a
normal stapler will just push straight down and
bounce back up the staple, they close inwards
in a sort of pincer fashion. So they're not going
deep into the skin. The one thing I like about
them is that they're going to a set depth. It's
not like with needles where you have to be careful.
how deep you're putting them. You're putting
them on against, you put it flat against the
skin, well, against the skin. You pull it, it
goes in to its own set amount. Yeah. And unless
you're doing it somewhere very, very unwise,
it's pretty low risk. You know, it's not going
to go in deeply and cause a lot of damage. Yeah.
But that's sort of why I like torturing feet.
I mean, I am a foot fetishist. I like being nice
to feet as well. But there is also the thing
of they're extremely sensitive. You know, they
have all the nerve endings. Yeah, yeah. But they're
relatively tough. Yeah. Certainly the soles of
the feet are relatively, capital word, relatively
tough for the amount of pain you get. Yeah. Which
is kind of why. I've noticed that with other
kinds of play as well. I really like having my
feet caned. And I've never marked from it once,
even taking it pretty hard. And even cigarette
burns on the sole of the feet will rarely raise
a blister. Little red mark and that's it. Which
should tell you, some of the stuff I really like
having done to my feet tells you how bad staples
are that I struggle with it. Because I'll take
canes on my feet all day very happily, but staples
were quite something else. But I'm really proud
I did it. But you did really well, though. Because
it was like, wasn't it like 13 or 14 in each
foot? that you had? Oh, I don't know. I can't
remember now. I should have looked this up. We
should have done some fact -checking before.
You definitely did both feet. Definitely did
both feet, yeah. But we certainly did enough.
I think it was about 10 in each. I think we probably
rounded it off at 10. We can look and see at
some point. Fact -check. Get a BBC verify. Because
obviously the thing with the stapler is it's
not... Like being hit with something, it stays,
it lingers. The skin is under tension. So it's
not like a bad thing happens momentarily and
then it's gone. It stays in and it builds until
you take it out. And obviously taking it out
can also be painful depending on how it's done.
So that's one of the fun sides of staples and
needles, I suppose. And the other really fun
thing about that evening was you recorded it.
I did, yes. For my sins, I'm also an experimental
musician. And I actually borrowed quite a nice
microphone from the university. And I got a nice
recording of Carousel's screams. And then I...
I used those screams as source material for a
harsh noise record. And the artwork for that
record is a photograph of the stables in the
feet in question. It's still available if anyone...
If there are any sonic masochists out there,
I want to enjoy it. I realised in hindsight we
missed an opportunity for you to use that in
the interrogation as one of the noises that you
made in the room. Yeah, you're right. It would
have been a really interesting head fuck to use
my own screams. Yeah, yeah. I probably still
have the raw recordings as well. I probably do
as well. Yeah, the raw screams. So that could
be interesting. Right. Next time. Next time.
Yeah, there we go. That's the reason why we're
going to do another interrogation. Yeah, you
got it. To torture you with your own screams.
Excellent. Beep. So you both know this about
me, that if I begin a sentence with you could,
you're about to hear the worst thing I've ever
said. You could always, of course, do a scene
where you play the scream on a loop and you beat
them until they can match the scream, to your
satisfaction. That is a great idea. And I mean
to your satisfaction, so you decide if it's inappropriate,
if they've got it matched enough. Bit like, you
know, the... Was it SingStar on the PlayStation
where you're singing on the microphone and it
cracked your pitch and it would tell you if you
were going to do that with recordings of your
own screams? One of the things I always enjoy
about when we hang out is it always seems to
end up with Mark giving a horrible suggestion
to Mix for something. I think one of my favourites
is the suggestion you had of force -feeding me
cat food, making me throw up and then making
me eat it for a second time. Yes. Deeply unpleasant.
And it's on my list of things I want to try.
Okay, still on the list. I keep putting it on
the list, and I think it's actually Mix who's
a little bit wary about that one. I don't think
they want to see it happen. That is true. My
favourite suggestion I think I gave to you, there
was a discussion of spider boarding at one point.
I think that was one of yours. And then I said,
well, the idea I had was putting a spider gag
or a gag that forces the mouth open. Putting
a drop of nectar on the tongue and then walking
around Butterfly World. So your mouth is just
swarmed with butterflies and you can't do anything
about it. Hate that. Still not as bad as spiders,
though. I would rather butterflies in my mouth
than spiders. That's fair. But I do remember
the conversation, the fairly in -depth conversation
about, is it a small number of large spiders
or a large number of very small spiders? You're
talking about weight. Yeah. You know, that sort
of thing. But it's always a fun little thing
when we do kind of get together. It's usually
at munches, and we usually end up sitting on
a table and coming up with those sort of suggestions.
And then every now and again, you'll catch the
face of somebody else around the table who's
just completely horrified by what we're talking
about. What I like is sometimes we end up at
a munch. It happens a few times. Us, usually
myself and Marty, I'll talk about in a moment,
my play partner, and another couple who are on
the scene who are kind of more... So I think
of you two as being sort of the extreme sort
of power exchange kind of people. And obviously
the pigeon as well. And then obviously myself
and Marty do all the extreme sharps playing,
the blood and the torture and things. And then
there's another couple who do a lot of the extreme
degradation things. They're into, they play around
with scars and things like that. And a lot of
sort of vomit playing. It's almost like, yeah,
we have the, it's like the sort of dream team.
And we have a sort of conference of like, a government
meeting. The Ministry of Degradation submits
their report. And the Ministry of Control submits
their report. And then we all discuss things.
It's great. And then some newbie sits down at
the table and is like, wait, is this what everyone's
doing? And it's like, no, no, you don't have
to do this. It's fine. You don't even have to
listen to it. But then you've got the newbie
who's like, wait, I can do this sort of thing.
I don't like going to... I found my people. Yes,
we don't... The newbies aren't always scared.
No, definitely. No, that is true. But I think
it's just worth recognising. You kind of talked
about how the two of you got in touch. You sent
a message through FetLife. And usually you hear
that and your heart sinks a little bit. But actually,
the way that you described it is kind of textbook.
Acting like a decent human being, being polite,
going, this is where we're in. And reading profiles
is key. I was actively seeking play partners
at the time. I made it really clear on my profile.
I was looking to play with a lot of people. I
was open to meeting people I hadn't spoken to
before. I was open to being approached online.
Like if someone's got that kind of stuff in their
profile, it's absolutely fair enough to message
them. It doesn't guarantee they're going to be
interested, but at least they're open to being
approached. If someone says on their profile,
like, don't message me unless I've met you in
person. I'm not accepting friend requests just
now. Like I'm just here to use it as social media.
I'm not looking for anyone to play with. And
then you message them with a picture of you.
a dick going do you want to suck it like that's
not going to go over as well there's a lot of
different ways where different people are going
to be looking for a different approach and and
the quality of your message definitely matters
yeah yeah i think yeah yeah the yeah or whatever
the disney would be anything of just just being
polite and the yeah and the hi not hello bitch
which would be also unusually gendered but you
know hello slave or not hello goddess hello it's
like it's hello hi Hope you're doing well. You
know, kind of, yeah. And then, you know, they're
not, you know, you're equals until you say otherwise,
until you agree otherwise. Yeah, yeah. And, yeah,
specific. It's like, not a blanket message to
everyone, it's a specific message to, hey, I
have read your profile. Yeah, yeah. This, this,
and this. Here are our shared interests. Yeah.
And then, would you, but I also wouldn't kind
of, I think I made sure, as I said, would you
like to chat potentially with a view to playing?
Yeah, yeah. Rather than just being like, hey,
I just want to be platonic friends with you and
I just want to chat. It's like... Yeah, yeah.
It just kind of seems like you're just going
to try and transition it later on to something
else. It's pretty straight up. It's like, hey,
I'm interested with a potential view to this.
Yeah. And if you don't get a response back, fine.
Don't send a second message. Move on. If you
get a rejection message back, which, yeah, has
happened too. Yeah. You say, thank you for writing
the responses polite, which if your initial message
is polite, it really should be. Yeah. Even if
it's a no thank you is, you know, just okay.
Thank you. Yeah. Good. I wish you well in your
endeavors. We don't. Yeah. I mean, I do think,
yeah, kind of. But cold messaging on FetLife
is probably one of the worst ways to find player
partners, but it does, it can, it can happen.
Yeah. And if it's, yeah. I mean, and obviously
that was, this was before, or this was maybe
about the same time as I'd started going to some
events. Right. Sort of munching things up, social
events. But I'd also kind of very clearly set
myself a thing of that I would not be approaching
anyone for play at a social event. for a significant
period of time I was like very much I'm going
here as a social thing so yeah the thing of you
can then approach people in writing especially
for various forms of neurodivergence that are
right on the scene it can be nice to just be
like hello I'm going to submit a formal request
to you and you can reply to it and then we can
move on Submit a request to the Ministry of Degradation.
Yes. So it is a way of doing things, yeah. I
would never say to anyone, don't message people
on FET, I would say. Yeah. Think about how you're
doing it. What you're doing and why you're doing
it. Quality over quantity. Don't send the same
message to everyone in your local area because
those people all know each other. And we'll laugh
at you and we'll show it to each other. spot
you at the month to go. Yes, and that does obviously
mean that if you've sent an unpleasant or even
an awkward or unwanted message to someone, and
then you are going to say that much, that can
make things awkward. In a way that if you haven't
sent the message and you just said hello to them
politely, down the line you may well have ended
up getting what you want. Exercise caution. And
I've never... met anyone else that's messaged
me on FetLife because I've never had another
message asking for play that was actually like
worth entertaining yeah it has just been like
red flags everywhere like minimal communication
just demanding a list of activities without paying
attention to what I'm into it's like that's not
gonna go anywhere and to be fair I haven't had
a lot of time where I've been single on FetLife
because because my period between My last relationship
ending and getting with Mix was shorter than
I planned it to be. Yes, I managed to dive through
that window. But yes, I imagine also with the...
I mean, I would imagine as a submissive, as a
masochist, you'll get a lot of people feeling
the need to sort of play a dominant role in a
message. Yeah. And kind of be like... Yeah, kind
of present themselves as a sort of... what they
think is your fantasy of a sort of a, a sort
of brute taking control. And it's just like,
that's not something you can do in a blind message
without coming across as just quite laughable
anyway. Yeah. You are actually going to have
to sit down and have a calm discussion before
we do these things. Yeah. Definitely. I know
you haven't always done that. I'm not judging
you for that. We don't need to generally kind
of, yeah, as a, yeah. There's definitely been
times I've jumped into things quickly, but I've
still always very much been. we start this as
equals. Even if that period of negotiation is
quite short and quite simple, it's still done
as equals before you do anything else. So the
main reason we invited you today, and to be fair,
there's probably about 20 different topics we
could have invited you on to talk about in loads
of depth, but we thought we'd start at least
with Sharps play, because that's something that
me and Mix have maybe a little bit more limited
experience of, and you... I would not use the
word expert because I know you're going to tell
me no if I do, but you are someone who is experienced
and amongst the people we know, definitely kind
of playing at the most sort of complex level,
I think, with sharps. Yes, I mean, certainly
in terms of people who play publicly on the local
scene, I'm sort of known for my sharps play.
Again, yes, I'm not an expert. As I always say,
I know my level. I play to my level. I do what
I can to expand the level. I take whatever education
I can. But yeah, it kind of has become my most
prominent kink, seeing what people see of me
and seeing what I do with my player partner,
Marty. It's kind of the main thing we do. So
it's kind of what I'm known for on the scene,
I think, because the venue in the North East
that events are held at never used to allow needleplay.
And then they started allowing needleplay. with
organiser authorisation, but didn't advertise
that. So I came along new on the scene and being
like, I wonder if I'm allowed to do a needle
play and found out afresh. Whereas obviously
everyone who'd been on the scene for years kind
of assumed they weren't allowed to do it. So
I think that's partly why I kind of, and I have
seen other people doing it at events recently,
which is absolutely fantastic. I'd love to see
that, even more of it. And yes, it's become what
I'm known for. And obviously with my play partner,
Motti, I've met my match in terms of this whole
thing. We really do kind of like to explore and
sort of push these things with one another. The
way it often works with Mottie is I come up with
an idea as a joke and she replies, let's do it.
Do it, you coward. That sounds familiar. I feel
like there's a very similar vibe with how you
and Mottie make each other worse and how me and
Mick do. Sometimes there'll be a two -month period
of me saying, are you sure you want to do this?
Are you sure you want to do this? And it's, yes,
do it, you coward. And then I do it. And it's
good. You'll absolutely hear Motti saying that
as well. Yeah, I feel like I possibly have heard
Motti say that. Yeah, probably. So we've talked
a little bit about, we've touched on staples,
you've mentioned needles a couple of times. What
does sharps play cover for you? What sort of
counts as sharps? So for me, I guess broadly,
anything that is a sharp point or edge, breaking
the skin, I would say. So, yes, needle play,
and then blades. In the past year, I've started
doing some scalpel play, cutting the scalpels.
Medical scalpel isn't something I've done before.
In the distant past, I've done some probably
quite unwise knife play. I think many people
have the same story. But, yes. yeah, kind of,
not discovered, but was in a position to start
exploring scalpel play about a year or so ago.
Right. And we've done some of that since then.
Yeah. And I've become a big fan of that. So yes,
those are the sort of three, the three branches
of it that, yeah, it's needles, staples and scalpels
are the three that I explore. Yeah. You could
do, people do fantastic things with knives. You
can, there's no reason why a knife is less safe
than a scalpel necessarily if you have the right
precautions. it's as much a matter of personal
taste and preference, actually, that I like using
a scalpel. And in the UK, there's some very heavy
restrictions legally around knives. I know a
lot of BDSM falls into a slightly questionable
legal area anyway, but particularly once you
start buying things that are classed as illegal
weapons, you're getting into a really dodgy zone.
Yes, I mean, you can get knives, you can get
suitable, I believe you can still get suitable
knives that are... that are legal to own. The
amount of things that are rapidly being made
illegal by this government, I don't know how
that'll stand for. I don't know anyone who plays
with zombie knives, but if you do, keep them
hidden because they just got made illegal, I
think. Yeah, and obviously certainly not something
you can take to a venue, whereas a sealed...
I mean, our local venue does not allow scalpel
play. I do not expect them to allow scalpel play.
I do have to go further afield to do that. That's
fine. But yeah, certainly in the unlikely event
you get stopped and searched about everything,
it's a sealed, sterile scalpel. It's not going
to be easy to explain, but easier to explain
than a hunting knife or what have you. So yeah,
there is that side of it as well. But I do see
some wonderful things on Fed done with knives.
Power to you. Enjoy. But I like the precision
of a scalpel. I like the... I like that, having
something very, very tiny. Yeah. A tiny blade
that can do so much. Yeah. It's fascinating as
well, I've done some scalpel play in the past
and because they're so small and so sharp, it
doesn't bleed straight away and then watching
it gradually come up. Yes, the blue, as we call
it. Yeah. Yes. I mean, yeah, sometimes with a
scalpel cut, you have maybe a minute before the
blood fully hits the surface. Yeah. You just
think, oh, it's a tiny white line and it just
very slowly fills in. Oh, it's gorgeous. That
was a sigh of aesthetic appreciation. I'm not
being horny here. It's fine. We had Tom and Kay
from Insert here over a little while ago to record.
And because of Tom being an exhibitionist, he
was getting quite excited at the thought of having
quite a large audience, I think. Kept talking
about things, getting him off. It was great.
He's a pervert, that lad. Shout out, Tom, if
you're listening. I absolutely love you, man.
Love you, man. The things that you do with sharps,
the needles, the staples, the blades, how did
you get into that? Is that something you've always
been interested in? Yeah, so, I mean, like I
say, I've, in my younger days, done some unwise
things with knives. During my young explorations,
I used to enjoy putting an office staple just
on my hand for masochistic pleasure. So, yeah,
the act of... I've always had a thing for the
act of stapling. It's always been kind of exciting
to me. You press it and then it's in. It's been
exciting. The first time I did anything more
formally, sensibly needle, was when we did some
needle play, probably when we had a partner.
We explored a bit of just getting some medical
needles, surgical needles. Not particularly big
ones, but big enough to have one. Yeah, just
putting them in each other and enjoying it. I
was like, oh, I enjoy this. Yeah, so that was
something I'd enjoyed. Also, it was something
I'd wanted to explore more of and also the stateless
as well. We'd got a hold of one of those and
had a bit of fun with. Yeah, it's only really
since I've kind of come onto the local King scene
and found my people in a way and certainly found
one specific person who brings out something
that I've really explored and kind of pushed
that further. Yeah, more complicated scenes,
much bigger needles. Putting them in some really
interesting places. Finding very, very nasty
places to put them. I mean, if you want to know
about, I guess, talking about why I like them
or the part of it I like, I'm not so much a sort
of decorative sharps player. I can appreciate
it, and I've done a few things with patterns,
but I'm not... someone who's into doing very
precise needle placement and in sort of patterns
i'm about at least the sensation if not the pain
i mean it's not always painful um you can use
a very small needle in a certain place it's not
necessarily to be pain as such it can be quite
a meditative sensation but yeah and i like i
like the penetration i like the the act of penetrating
skin is really powerful to me yeah um that sort
of both as a top and a bottom you know that porousness
um The idea that the body is not this discreet
thing that's shut off from the outside world.
You're actually porous with the outside world.
And you kind of have... We're all covered in
orifices. That's a beautiful statement to make.
I can get very pretentious with the French philosophy
on this stuff, but there are these things about
this idea of the... Yeah, the body as being this
kind of open, porous thing that's made up of
multiplicities rather than being this single,
solid, sort of inviolable thing is really, really
powerful to me as an idea and just really turns
me on. And yes, also the pain side of it. I am
a sadist. I'm a masochist. I'm a better sadist
than I am a masochist in some ways. I do things
to people like you. I couldn't perceive myself
to the same extent. I like to always, have an
idea what I'm inflicting on someone, but that
means I can put one needle in myself. That doesn't
mean I'm putting 50 needles in myself the way
I have with someone. I'd like to explore more
bottoming for sharps, but until recently, I was
kind of the only sharp stop. A cue does tend
to form. It does, yeah. I must train. For completely
non -selfish reasons, I must train some more
sharp stops. For the good of the community. For
the good of the community, yes. Yeah, absolutely.
You know, I mean, I've had, yeah, I did, I've
had, I believe at one of the Femdom events, I
had a play partner of mine. What was it we did?
It was, I said my penis and scrotum had staples
in them, which were attached with cable ties
and other staples to my thighs and sort of stomach.
So I sort of spread out and then I had, I think
it was six needles placed into my foreskin and
scrotum. So I have had these things done. Yeah,
I mean, you were saying you're not as much of
a masochist as you are a sadist. That sounds
like some pretty good masochism to me. Yeah,
but they were only like 21, 22 gauge. They weren't
big needles. Compared to some of the stuff I've
done. Six little needles in your penis is fine.
Yeah, yeah. So I'm not saying I'm not a maskist.
I have the privilege of having a wonderful play
partner, Marty, who can both take a lot and is
always wanting to try more. And we do feed off
of each other wonderfully. But yeah, so you have
needles and staples in genitals, feet, under
fingernails and toenails has been our thing recently.
We were at an event where you were doing that
and it's the only time I've had to walk away
and not watch one of your scenes. It's impressive.
I love it for you, but I'm not going to look
at that. You're getting into actual medieval
torture. It's quite interesting. I don't know
where we go from there. I did it actually for
what we call our pay -niversary scene, so the
one year anniversary playing we did it. It was
some relatively small needles under the fingernails.
When they're going under your fingernails, there's
no such thing as a small needle, okay? The tiniest
needles, these are about 23. I actually think
they're 23, 24. They're not even tiny. For context
with needles, the bigger the number, the smaller
the needle. It's gauge. See, I think about 22,
23 gauge I was putting under her nails. And then
I did some 18 gauge, I believe, which is quite
a bit larger, in the back of her hand, kind of
crossing the back of her hand, kind of weaving
in and out. I did hit a vein. We did get more
blood than we wanted. It stopped bleeding. It
was fine. It was never in danger in that sense.
As long as they stop bleeding, it's fine. Stay
away from the arteries. Even in the hands, the
arteries would be hard to hit by mistake, wouldn't
they, if they ran a fair bit deeper? My experience
with sharps is not so much from sharps play,
it's from heroin addiction. But I know that it's
quite easy to find the veins in your hands, but
not... Yeah, and obviously this was sort of the
loose, relatively loose skin on the back of the
hand. Yeah. This wasn't the palm or anything
like that. So yeah, that's just something I think
I've done with needles. Yes, we've done needles
in the gums. It's quite an interesting one. We've
done that a couple of times. Wow. I always obviously
like to do, as you should, the most research
I can on risks and things like that. I could
not find any record of anyone doing gum needles
in a King context, in a BDSM context. Wow. At
all. Not seeing it out there. Yeah, yeah. FetLife
search engine is not very good. Yeah. I tried
it when I could. I actually ended up looking
up actual dental manuals. Right. To find where
the nerves were, where it was going to hit. And
basically, we're going, again, relatively thin
needles, kind of right down between the teeth,
basically. So not hitting any nerves, but still.
Very, very, very, very painful as far as I understand.
I haven't tried it myself, but very, very painful
as far as I understand. And hairline has been
one we've done recently, which is quite good.
It's literally kind of going in from the front
at the hairline, kind of lying flat against the
scalp. So not coming back out the other end,
kind of putting them in and lying against the
scalp. It is very painful. Bleeds a lot, but...
Also stops bleeding quite quickly and heals very
easily. It's actually very good. If you want
really sadistic needles with a lot of blood,
hairline is a good place to do it. I've seen
quite a few pictures of people who do hairline
needles. There's a few people I follow on FetLife
who do that. And the amount of blood you get
for relatively few needles, sometimes relatively
small needles, is just mind -blowing. It's very
cool for pictures. It's what the wrestlers used
to do. When the wrestlers would bleed, they would
cut the hairline because it comes down. Yeah,
yeah. And obviously if you're already sweaty,
it mixes with that and you get a big mask of
it. It's a good way to get a lot of blood from
a relatively minor sort of cut. Good place. So
yes, we enjoy those. Marty wants to do some sort
of crown of thorns thing with needles pointing
at different angles and I kind of haven't quite
worked out the logistics yet, but we'll see what
happens with that. I don't want to tell a no.
We'll find a way. We find a way to do it. Love
finds a way. It's the... The vibe that there
is with you and Motti really backs up this sort
of theory that the perception of kink from the
outside is always it's these dominants and sadists
who are inflicting all these horrors on these
sort of weak -willed subs being like, oh, I guess
I'll go along with it. Where the reality is that
most bottoms are just feral, coming up with the
most unhinged ideas possible. And the sadists
and dominants and tops are just kind of there
like, I guess we could do that if you're sure.
I am more of the ideas guy. But again, a lot
of the time, it's something I'll say in jest.
Yeah. Like once, the first scalpel scene we did,
I cut the word punching bag into her stomach.
Yes. And that was originally something I'd said
to her as a joke. And it was like, I'm supposed
to do it. I want you to do that. And it was probably
from me saying that, it was probably two months
of me at least once a week saying, are you sure
you want to go through with this? You understand?
Yeah. I'm not planning to scar you with this.
It should heal, but we can never guarantee it
will be permanent. Yeah. Are you sure you're
happy walking along with that on you? Yeah. And
it was a repeated enthusiastic yes. Yeah, yeah.
And as it turns out, we've actually ended up
going over it since then. So you weren't sure.
I mean, I don't think we're going over it again.
It is starting to fade now. Right. Yes, so it
was certainly something I just wanted to do.
But yes, there's a lot of that. And yeah, it's
a beautiful collaboration that we have. Mm -hmm.
And I do have things that she says no to. And
it's kind of crazy because I'm like, oh, my God,
so you are actually enthusiastic to say yes to
the horrible shit I do to you. It's very wild.
I'm like, oh, wow, yeah. So, I mean, I never
thought I was coercing her in any way. But, you
know, there's always a concern of like, is she
really wanting to do this? Are they trying to
impress me? I don't think I'm manipulating her
in any way. It's just a case of, you know, is
this a sort of a... a proxy self -harm thing
is this a yeah yeah is it just a wanting to impress
me or not knowing and then when you and this
is something we had to build up to a lot of you
say okay actually no like this is actually like
something someone really really wants to be doing
with me yeah and really wants me wants me having
done it and it's beautiful it's wonderful yeah
um and she's an absolute fantastic angel I think
it was always really reassuring when people are
able to verbalise boundaries in that way. The
first kinky relationship that I was in, before
my last relationship, it took quite a while.
I was very, very new to kink, but already quite
a lot more masochistic than this person really
knew how to handle. And it took a couple of months
of playing regularly before we ever reached a
point where I would... like felt the need to
use a safe word or say that i needed to slow
down and i remember that they found that really
reassuring the first time that happened yes like
oh good good you haven't just been taking this
to please me and because you don't know how to
set a boundary like it's just it's been within
your comfort zone until now and i think they
were very reassured by that yeah and we did meanwhile
you have a sort there was a sort of an experience
mismatching that although she'd been on the king
scene for a long time she'd never done any sharps
before yeah um but she talked to it like like
dr water It's great. It's very impressive, the
stuff that you two do. It's beautiful. It's one
of those areas of kink where I would like to
explore a little bit more of sharps, but I already
know I will never be doing the stuff you two
do, and I don't need to. I think that's one of
the great things in kink is when you learn to
let go of this need to try to compete or be like,
oh, I'm the hardest at this. I know I will never
do the stuff that you two do, and I'm very happy
to just watch it from a few feet away. Yes, but
there are people certainly on Fairlife who I
feel that about. It's always good to have that
person. Yeah. It's always good to have someone
that way. You can just be like, I'll never do
that. Yeah. But I'm kind of on the same thing
with you guys with your DS stuff, which is, I
mean, I'm not in a, I'm not doing any really
active DS at the moment. It's not, it's not my
side of things generally. Yeah. But it's also
just like, okay, cool. There's a thing out here
that I don't, I don't have to compete with or
I don't even have to do, which just makes you
know that like, yeah, there's always someone
out there doing what you would say. And it's,
there's never, it's how I was saying about, you
know, the, the, the ministries table of kind
of thing of like, you know, we're always, you're
always going to be more extreme than them on
that, but they're going to be more extreme than
you on that. Even if you do have a competition,
you're never going to get it all the way. It's
not the point, but it's nice to sit there and
say, oh, it's not a competition. It's like, well,
of course it isn't, but we all have that urge.
We all have that internalised view. It's a normal
thing to do. But it's nice to be able to say,
okay, I'm not going to be able to do that. Although
you do sometimes say, don't you, kink isn't a
competition unless I'm winning. Well, yes, obviously
when I'm winning it is. There's a thing of competition
with yourself and seeing how far you can push
yourself and what you do. Certainly, we always
like to try and try new things and see what we
can do. Although we're intruding on your territory,
because we're starting to look at burning stuff.
I encourage this. We need more people doing burning.
Yes, definitely. Good fun. Yes, I did find myself
Googling the other day. Will a beauty and torch
set off a fire alarm? Did you find out the answer?
It shouldn't. It shouldn't. Unless it catches
hair. Oh, yes, the plan is to apply it to skin.
Not for any great length of time, but, you know,
kind of. I'll be interesting to find out how
she does with that. I've not used a blowtorch,
but I have had a lighter, like, directly with
flame applied to my skin, and I really like burns,
but I found that rough. Yeah, I think we're going
to try that as well first. It's kind of, yeah.
I know she's had cigarette burns. Yeah. But,
yeah, we're going to try a little lighter, but
the blowtorch is as much for the dick as the
actual pain. I don't necessarily intend to be...
I don't want to be causing great third -degree
burns. I don't want to be holding on for a great
length of time. But being able to have a nice
blue flame as well. A lovely blue flame. We'll
see if that actually happens. I don't want to
commit to that happening. We'll see. How do you
learn this stuff? Stuff you've been describing
there about using a butane torch and stuff like
that. I can't imagine there are many resources
about how to do that safely. So how have you
learned the skills that you've got in sharps
play? Yeah, well, I mean, I certainly haven't
for a butane torch. I don't think there are ways
of doing it safely. So it's kind of just be quick.
There are a lot more resources online now than
there were when I first downloaded the sharps
play. When I first did needles and things, and
putting aside the knife play stuff, which was
literally just cutting one another with a knife
without any real regard for aseptic technique
or wound care or anything like that, that's not
something I'd like to really talk about as being
worth learning from, other than as a negative
example. Many years ago now, when I first did
any sort of needle play with it, I don't think
we even found any or many King -specific resources.
Right. It was, I think we'd heard, we may have
even seen photos of people, people have done
needle play. I must say, yeah, my long -term
memory isn't the best. And you are talking, you
know, 12 years ago at least here. Yeah. I think
we actually just looked at the medical stuff
of how do you give an injection? And we just
figured, well, it's going to be pretty similar
if you're putting it... If you've got to clean
that bit of skin, I assume you've got to clean
the bit where it's coming out the other end.
Yeah. And we were right. I mean, it's fine. We
worked it out. But yeah, I mean, nowadays there
are so many great resources all over FET. There
are even standalone kink education, even relatively
mainstream kink education resources I see. Yeah.
Usually have a bit about, certainly it's about
needle play. Yeah. About the basics of your aseptic
technique and how best to do things. yeah it's
one of those kinks that almost has just a little
bit of crossover into the mainstream because
of piercers doing like artistic play piercing
for photo shoots that was where i first sort
of encountered it was when i was getting a lot
of body modification done yes i knew a lot of
people who had had a play piercing yeah done
by a professional piercer for a photo shoot and
it wasn't in a kink context but technique and
knowledge wise it tends to be very similar yeah
yeah because it's also the kind of thing that's
hard to practice without doing it on a person,
I suppose, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, you can get
the suture practice kits, which have a little
bit of artificial skin. Right. I've never got
one. Right. But you can get them for, and they're
done for, yeah, for learning the suture wounds,
sort of needle thread, which is not something
I've done yet. That is a yet, I imagine. So you
can do that. But yeah, I mean, I always just
practice on myself. And it's one of the things,
it's not. It's not that complicated if you're
doing, unless you're making it complicated. Yeah.
It's quite easy to, it's quite self -explanatory.
You put the needle through the skin and then
it comes back out the other end. You just have
to know the stuff around it of like, where are
the needles? Well, you get single use sterile
medical needles and then it's, okay, how do I
keep? How do I keep my area as aseptic as possible?
Never going to completely happen. We're not in
a medical setting here. My hygiene and aseptic
technique when I'm playing could stand to be
better. It's something I do try to improve. Again,
it's a risk thing. I'm not saying that what I
do is, when I do it at the moment, is unsafe
in that sense. It's just that you can always...
It's always better to do as best you can. And
then, yeah, get your clorhexidine wipes, wipe
the area down, your body area down, and then
get your clean gauze to clean up. And then if
you are having to dress the wound, get proper
wound dressings. And I'm not first aid formally
trained, but I know the bits of first aid that
apply to what I do. I don't have a certificate,
but I do know what to do. Yeah, just know what
to do in any eventuality. I think everyone's
risk profile with this stuff is going to be different
and some people would maybe only want to do this
kind of play with someone who had formal medical
training. And then some people will quite happily
just buy some needles and take a crack at it
without doing any research, which I would not
advocate for. Most people are going to be somewhere
between those two points. Definitely if they
buy some needles and take a crack at it, but
do a bit of research first. If you understand
the... the principles of of of maintaining in
it as as as a septic environment as you can yeah
yeah you just you kind of do that yeah but um
yeah i have a very i have what will feel like
a very silly question to ask is is obviously
a lot of all of sharps is about breaking the
skin getting getting inside the skin is it possible
to be into that sort of play if you're not keen
on the idea of seeing a lot of blood or being
scarred? It depends on the level of not being
keen on. Yeah. Because there are absolutely forms
of sharp stuff you can do where you are unlikely
to see significant blood, that you will not see
a scar, but there's always the possibility you
will. Yeah. So if you have a phobia of seeing,
if you're someone who will faint at the sight
of blood, you probably shouldn't be a sharp star.
You can be a sharp spotter and look away. You
probably shouldn't. It's sort of like we can
be disgusting on this podcast. It's like if you're
going to get into anal play and you're going
to absolutely freak out and lose your mind if
some shit shows up. You know what I mean? At
the end of the day, I always say you're intruding
on poop's domain. Poop is not intruding on your
domain. If you're doing chopstick, you're intruding
on blood's domain. You've got to be at least
able to handle it if blood shows up. Scoring,
you can absolutely almost certainly avoid, especially
if you're doing things like staples. If you put
a staple in the top of your arm or your top of
your thigh, one of the very fleshy areas, you're
probably not going to see any blood beyond the
tiniest spot they can wipe off. Unless you're
someone who is extremely medically prone to scarring,
you're not going to scar from it. It's finding
that level. There are people for whom blood and
even scars is the point. I am often one of those
people. Marty is certainly one of those people,
especially when it comes to scars. She loves
being marked. It's a big part of what... how
she, I'm not going to speak for her, but how
she operates in these things, you know, it's
a big part of it, is bearing the marks of the
thing, of what's happened, the souvenir, and
kind of living with the scar, and that's part
of why we took the scalpels so well, because
that is leaving a mark that will, that will remain,
and will change over time, and you kind of have
something there. So if you love blood and scars,
absolutely get the shots played. I'd say, yeah,
unless it's, Something that's going to be absolutely
debilitating to the point where you cannot do
a scene safely. Yeah. If you still want to experience
sharp spray, there are absolutely ways of doing
it. And that is basically, if you do needles,
use the highest gauge needle you can, the smallest
needle you can. Stay relatively close to the
surface. I found a sort of, I don't know if this
is truly scientific, but there tends to be a
bit of a trade -off with needles where the closer
you stay to the surface, the more it's going
to hurt. Right. But there's less blood. Yeah.
I guess if you're getting more of the needle
in contact with nerve endings. Yeah. Whereas
if you go in deeper, you're going past and then
back through. But you'll get a bit less paper,
a bit more blood if you're going deeper. Right.
And when I say deeper here, we're talking millimetres,
we're not, you know. Yeah, yeah. It's not digging
it. But that does seem, in my experience, that
tends to be the sort of trade -off. Right. So
yeah, if you're wanting sensation and avoiding
blood, stay close to the surface. Yeah. That
makes so much sense because it's similar to the
balance with burns where the... Great, the thickness
of the burn, the less pain you get, but the more
scarring you get and the more tissue damage.
So yeah, first and second degree burns are incredibly
painful. Third degree burns are almost completely
painless, but they make a real mess of your skin.
And it seems like you have a similar approach
to Motti in terms of liking the marks of some
of the stuff that you've said before. You've
got cigarette burn scars and all sorts of different
scars all over your body and they're kind of...
evidence of evidence of a life lived yeah definitely
and i feel that way about scars from play but
also just scars in general the scars i have from
things i would have preferred not to experience
i i have a quite far ago now a history of self
-harm i would rather not have the scars from
that but i do um well no i wouldn't say i'd rather
not have the scars i'd rather not have had the
experience but i don't have a bad relationship
with the scars because that's part of my history
i have a lot of scarring on my legs and my sides
from a really bad skin infection i had like a
really really severe skin infection i would have
much rather not gone through that but the scars
are just part of my history so i tend to have
a pretty positive outlook on scars but when it
comes to scars from play i actively want them
yeah it's like i want the proof And I think especially
because I don't really breathe. However hard
you hit me, I don't really breathe. A cigarette
burn will give me a mark. Yes, yeah. I should
say, I'm saying scars here. I think I shouldn't
speak for Monty. I think it's more marks. It's
like she likes being marked. Yeah, that's fair.
But it's also the thing of the way it's upchanged.
We have this thing of, with the scalpel play,
I always quote renewing the vows. Right. Well,
you know, you do a cutting and then after a few
months it starts to fade. Yeah. So if you want
to then go over it again. Yeah. So we have a,
there's a cutting on Monty's sternum, which is
of a moth. Right, yes. Because moth is apparently
the old Norse word for moth, but that's where
her name comes from. So I'm originally from Stansted,
but yeah, it's sort of an outline of a moth.
Yeah. And then, I think I've gone over that three
times now, it just sort of fades and kind of
then, and then you can, as things fade, you can
decide whether you want to renew them or whether
you want to go over them. It's kind of, it's
a really, it's a beautiful sort of, especially
with an ongoing dynamic. Yeah. It's really beautiful,
I think. That's one of the things I love, it's
like saying, you know, and having that discussion,
you know, if I'm, If I'm with Monty, if I'm lying
next to him, I can be like, see how these are
healing and what do you want to do with them?
Do you want to do something else? It's a really
beautiful, quite intimate conversation to have.
I think I remember, did you do them off in Leeds?
We went over. That was the second going over.
That was the first going over. The second game
was done. It was originally done in a... A budget
chain hotel room who's... I will not name the
company. I get good prices from them and I don't
want my account canceled. In case they recognize
you when you turn up. What's your perspective
on blood and scarring? I mean, I have a blood
kink. I have a scar kink. I like blood. I like
playing with blood. I like the taste of blood.
Yeah. Obviously, that has its own risks. I'm
not drinking pints of blood, but I will give
it a little lick or whatever. It can theoretically
be a vector for prion diseases, but obviously
they're very rare, so the other person still
has to have the prion. I wouldn't call myself
a blood player to any great degree, so I really
wouldn't feel qualified to discuss the full risk
things for anything beyond having a little lick
of blood. Yeah, I mean, I like blood. I like
seeing blood and playing with blood. I like scars.
Even if I have partners who are scarred, I like
their scars. Yeah. How do you feel about it?
Because I know you both top and bottom with a
lot of this stuff. Do you feel the same way about
scars on yourself as well? Are you pretty comfy
with them? I mean, I've never... I've not bottomed
for any sharps play in recent memory that would
really lead to scars. Fair. I'd be open to it.
I can't really, just because of the nature of...
just for vanilla life things, I can't really
have a lot of visible scars in various places.
I wouldn't be opposed to it. I would like a million
in the score. I still have knife play scars from
about 2007. And I'm fine with them. Actually,
another sort of historical thing I should have
mentioned is I did do a bit of online solo play.
There's also another way I did explore a bit
shorter for that. After, I'm not sure what I
had with that, but I did it with a kind of...
Yeah, having kind of online things with someone
and having them watch me do things and kind of
tell me to do things, or guide me to do things.
That was an interesting thing to play about with
as well. Partly in a time in my life where I
was not able to go out and meet people. So I
was doing quite a bit of online kink stuff. Is
there a stigma around online kink? I don't know.
There probably shouldn't be. It's one of those
things, isn't it? There probably is, but I can't
quite work out why. If that's your chosen medium.
Yeah. I don't know. No, like, it's not something
I've ever experienced because I am very much
an in -person person. The last time I had anything
like a long -distance relationship was when I
was a teenager and I struggled with it even then.
I like a lot of very close quality time with
a person, which is why me and Mix moved in together
when we'd been dating for three months. So, yeah,
that wouldn't be my style, but I think it's a
really positive thing. I mean, I should say,
it was never an online relationship in that sense,
more like an online player partners thing. It
was quite an interesting way to do things. I
did that quite a bit over the years in various
ways. When you're in a situation where you're
not able to go out and meet people in the real
world. It can be quite an interesting way of
doing things. I suppose sharp split is a good
thing for that one. It doesn't matter who put
it there. When the needle's in your arm, you're
going to feel it. It's a lot easier to do that
than it is to whip yourself or spank yourself,
I guess. In terms of angles. Do you get that
thing when you do it to yourself, though? Does
it feel different doing it to yourself as opposed
to having it done to you? Yes. I mean, it becomes
a lot more, if it's an actual solo play thing,
I mean, most of the time it's more practice than
solo play when I've done it myself. It's more,
it's just kind of like, if it was like, you know,
when I hadn't done it for a while, I was like,
okay, I want to make sure I can still do this.
Or if I've got a new gauge of needle, I want
to just try it myself, make sure I know kind
of what it's like. yeah, so it often has, it
doesn't really have a, what's it like, a sexual
dimension for like solo play. Yeah. But it does
have a sort of, and you still get the sort of
endorphin, you get the sheer mechanical endorphin
rush of, you know, your body reacting to it.
It's quite interesting to do, yeah. So yeah,
I don't do a great, I don't do a great degree
of actual solo play. Yeah. But you know, I do,
I have practiced with, try things out myself.
And obviously things in the past when I've done
where I've been, it's been sort of with someone
with a, someone watching or even instructing
a kind of obviously that kind of you can you
can you can get that kind of headspace going
without it even if it's you physically doing
it to yourself yeah um and of course there are
there's a certain something about about making
someone do something to themselves of course
so yeah that is pretty making in quote marks
there you know i'm not doing the sort of the
uh the stop hitting yourself That's incredible.
You mentioned that you haven't bottomed a lot
for Sharps. Is that a preference? Do you generally
prefer it from the top or has it been an opportunity
or a little of both? A little bit of both. I
mean, I should say I have bottomed for Sharps
twice at events on the look community. Which,
given that I've only been on the look scene for
just over two years, isn't bad. But compared
to... doing usually at least once in a month
of topping. So yes, partly opportunity. Partly
preference, as in the things I'm exploring are
a product, partly a product of my own going down
with Monty. That's just how things work with
us. I'm excited about trying the new thing that
I'm going to do rather than thinking of something
that can get done to me. It's almost opportunity
in a positive way. It's not that, it's less not
having opportunities at the bottom. It's having
so many opportunities at the top in a really
wonderful way. That's just kind of where my focus
has gone. That makes sense. Rather than anything
else, yeah. And is that similar for other kinks
with you as well where you tend to like things
from both the top or the bottom or are there
some things that really only fit in one box for
you? I can't really think of anything that I
don't at least have some, on both sides with.
Yeah. Does Kingston exploring or starting to
explore that... So, for instance, me and another
play partner we're discussing and working towards
doing some scat play. Yeah. That's something
I'm comfortable trying a topping for. I don't
think, although bottoming for that does appeal
to me, and I get it, I find it exciting, I don't
think I'm... I don't think I have the ability
to necessarily try bottoming for it. So it's
more... I think they're all, but it's more practicalities
than desire for a lot of things. And there are
kingside practices at the top that I can't do
as a bottom, for instance. I sat with someone
recently, which was, I mean, it was at their
request and I thought, yeah, I'll give it a go.
And I really enjoyed it. That's not something
I could bottom for. Yeah. I can't really think
of anything else where, everything else will
be a matter of degree. Yeah. Like, you know,
I can do something where I can't do it to the
same extent that I can. Yeah. I'm always really
interested when I talk to switches because my
brain can't wrap its head around it. I'm not
a switch at all, so I can't imagine doing most
of the things I like done to me to someone else.
I would just freak out. So it's really interesting
to hear the different ways that manifests for
people. Yeah, I mean, there's a few sides to
it. I mean, there's certain things out there
where it's almost like I don't mind which side
of it I'm on. It's almost about creating... a
scene as a creative act. Not in the sense that
I'm detached from it, but it's more just like
I want this thing to happen and I don't mind
which part is me. I don't like the word switch,
but that's just me being a pain in the arse.
No, no, that's completely valid. Sorry. I don't
mind the word switch. It's not that I'm offended
or I reject the word switch. I don't like the
binary nature of it, the idea that it is a switch.
I think the... you know my topping informs my
bottom which informs my topping it's yeah it's
dialectical in some ways yeah that's why i don't
actually i think i yeah i mean i just like that
i actually i think on fat i have my identity
just as pervert my role is perfect kind of kind
of is what i'm going to do yeah um so yeah i
like the sort of broad the broadness of that
but i like the um and i like the idea that i
sort of can form a network of connections with
different people yeah in different ways You know,
there are people that I switch with, there are
people that I don't switch with. So, you know,
Monty won't top me. Yeah. And obviously I have
Natasha, who's Goddess Natasha, who is a... I'm
a devotee or a worshipper of her, is how we say
it. Right. But I don't... Other than maybe a
couple of very limited service top things, you
know, it's kind of a thing. But there are people
that I can sort of switch with. Yeah. It doesn't...
Yeah. For me, it's very much about... making
a connection with a person and having whatever
develops between us be its thing. So, yeah, it
really depends on the person. But, yeah, so,
you know, I have kind of various, yeah, various
relations or relationships or dynamics or, yeah,
just relations with people and let them develop
as they are. Do you have a favourite kink from
the top and a favourite kink from the bottom?
Just being nosy. From the top probably is the...
Probably sharps in the broadest sense, and particularly
scalpels. I've not had a scalpel done on myself
beyond a very small trial on myself. I've not
bought one for that. I'm not averse to buying
one for that, but I haven't bought one for that.
But I love that position of... Not even the position
of... I don't mean control over the person, I
mean control over the very fine... focused attention
to pay to someone and can have someone's canvas
is beautiful for me for bottoming probably foot
worship I mean I like having my feet worshipped
I do it but for me when I top for foot stuff
it's more of a degradation thing because I have
really nasty feet and I cultivate really nasty
feet I don't know if your listeners even want
to hear about the infamous sock scene where so
Star when I play with is An absolute beautiful
degenerate little pig. Absolutely, absolutely
wonderful. We did a scene where basically for
the week, was it 10 days before the event, I
wore the same pair of socks every day. And then
for about three or four days beforehand, I started
coming in one of the socks and wearing them.
And it was unpleasant for me to wear that sock.
At one point, I thought I was in very real danger
of getting trench foot from my own club. Which
would have been rough. Yes. And then we had a
scene at... So this was an event at the local
thing where we allow... Well, sexual play annuities
are allowed throughout the venue. Yeah. So we
basically were sat on the sofa in the social
area as people were entering. And I had her lying
on the floor naked, masturbating with my feet
on her face. Sobbed feet on her face. And then
I... And then she had to guess which sock was
the one that had the cum. Right. And she guessed
correctly. Excellent. Well done. For which she
was not rewarded. Oh, no. She was punished for
being a slut who recognises the smell of cum.
And then she said, but I just chose which one
smelled worse. So the trick was there was never
going to be a reward there. It was always punishment.
That's incredible. I kind of like... As a sort
of body worship and degradation type top, which
is like, I mean, this is a big tangent, but as
a sort of fat person, as a fat and hairy man,
as someone with a body that is not, doesn't adhere
to sort of conventional beauty standards. I mean,
a lot of people find me attractive. I know plenty
of people find me attractive. I don't have issues
around my body. Yeah. But I like... I like appealing
to being monstrous. Yeah. I like the idea of
being this sort of grotesque, stinking body and
sort of imposing that on someone and having someone
who's not against their will, but who's maybe
not enjoying it completely, but who is still
kind of doing it, licking your feet, licking
my arse or whatever. Yeah. I really get into
that, that kind of being the sort of monstrous
sort of figure. It's quite interesting to me
in that way. Yeah. any of you monster fuckers
out there want the real deal you can let me know
I don't know what it says about me that the only
part of that scene that sounds like a bad time
is the part where you had to put a wet sock on
it was Wiley's favourite part I mean I let it
dry a bit but it was still just like I was like
oh I have issues with socks I have difficulties
with wearing socks at all I can only wear fluffy
socks like before I discovered how much better
I feel in fluffy socks putting socks on every
day was genuinely upsetting to me and if I have
taken my socks off. I cannot put the same socks
back on because they feel contaminated and gross,
even if I had them on for an hour. So I could
not have done that. But I could quite happily
sniff the most disgusting socks in the world.
Very, very happy if it's someone else with the
gross socks. They just can't be on my feet. I
guess I would have enjoyed it in Australia. I
just like feet anyway. I'm trying to decide whether
I would be willing to walk around with a... with
a cum sock on for three days. I don't recommend
it. I really don't recommend it. I really like
properly disgusting feet and Mick's doesn't have
bad enough hygiene to really participate in that.
They'll sometimes go a day without a shower and
that's always a really exciting day for me when
that happens but I can't get anything worse than
that out of them sadly. I have okay hygiene but
I'm willing to make sacrifices sometimes for
everybody. Yeah. I think there's been a couple
of, maybe even a couple of times when I've kind
of extended it a little bit for your benefit.
And then there was Kendall calling. Yes. Where
I couldn't shower for three days because we were
in a fucking field. Yeah. Great. That was a good
time. Yeah. When we came back from Kendall calling,
you let me have a thorough investigate of your
feet before you got cleaned up. Yeah. And the
trainers that I'd been wearing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I have the experience where everyone's
saying they have nasty feet. I'm just like, no,
you don't. I don't have big toenails on my toes.
I had them removed. So they kind of look a bit
like Mother Teresa, I always say. Little wrinkled
kind of thing. Cut that. I like inflicting those
on people who want to have things inflicted on
them. Sorry, I know we're going to cut it out,
but I can't stop laughing at Mother Teresa. You
can leave it in if you want. I think she's not
going to sue, is she? No, she's not going to
send her lawyers after us. So you've talked a
little bit about how you learned some of the
knowledge that you have about keeping things
safe. What kind of stuff do you go into negotiations
looking to discuss with people for shops? Okay,
so I'm going to speak mostly as a top because
certainly with all these sort of, certainly for
pickup, well. Yeah, I guess I've done sort of
quite simple pickup play as a sharps player.
I will basically just ask people straight up,
do you have any blood -borne pathogens that we
know of? If they say yes, that doesn't mean you
can't play. It just means obviously you have
to really set up how careful you are and have
that into your risk profile. I know there are
people who can do sharps play who have blood
-borne illnesses. I'm not saying that's a barrier
to doing it. I'm saying it's something that...
whoever you're playing with needs to have informed
consent on, I would say. Do they have a history
with... Well, do they have a history of fainting
at the doctor's? That's usually how I phrase
it. Do you have a known reaction to needles in
any sort of way? Yeah. And then just on the day,
things like, have you eaten? Are you well hydrated?
It's just the basic things of sort of just vetting
a person. And this is for when I'm going to do
a very simple... If someone has come to me who
had an event and been like, I want to try having
needles for this day, which is generally going
to mean I'm going to put a few very small needles
in the top of an arm somewhere or into the top
of a thigh. So this is the very basic vetting
of, are you someone who I'm okay doing sharps
play in general with, whatever sort of level.
If it's anything beyond that, if it's anything
beyond them saying, I've never done this before,
I want to try it. Yeah. That then obviously is,
okay, what have you done before? Yeah. How did
you react to it? And then your general negotiations
of what can I and can't I call you? I mean, I
generally wouldn't be doing a, I wouldn't be
bringing sort of degradation into it, but even
just, do you want me to say good girl when you're
doing a good job? Do you want me not to say you're
doing a good boy? Just that sort of general thing.
And then. It's more a case that I would then
get them to vet me in a certain way. Yeah. And
I don't mean telling them to ask questions. I
would then demonstrate. Basically, it's almost
like demonstrating your vetting, the vetting
you want to be asked to someone. Yeah. So sit
them down, show them my kit. Yeah. Talk them
through the process of this is... this is how
you, do you prefer to sit up? I guess I'd ask,
do you want to sit up or lie down? This is how
I'm going to do this. This is how I'm going to,
this is how I'm going to clean your skin. And
then I would basically just talk through the
actual process. Yeah. Because that's, if nothing
else, if one, it's to reassure them of what is
going to happen. It's, it's getting consent on
what's going to happen. Yeah. Which certainly,
unless it's, playing with someone like Marty
is slightly different. We have slightly different,
we have sort of, but if it's someone new, I want
to get explicit consent for everything that's
going to happen to them. Even if that is, I'm
going to wipe your leg with this wipe. You know
what I mean? I'd rather every step was going
to happen so they can say yes or no. Because
then they can say, actually, can I do it myself?
I don't want you doing that to me. It has to
happen, but it's certainly a perfectly legitimate
thing to happen if you just kind of... Yeah,
so, you know, take them through every step of
what everything is, what I'm going to do, what
to do afterwards. Yeah. Well, then... be a vetting
question of, do you know what infection looks
like? Do you know what to do if this happens?
Are you comfortable going to A &E if you have
to? Yeah. It's highly unlikely anything I'd be
doing at that sort of stage is going to, even
if it gets slightly infected, even if it gets
infected, is going to lead to a hospital visit.
But I do need to know that someone is willing
to go and have that hospital visit if they have
to. You know what I mean? You don't want to end
up in a position where you're trying to talk
them into going to hospital or getting sepsis
or something. Yeah, I just don't want that. It's
not even about protecting myself in any way.
I don't want that to happen. If I like you enough
to spend needles on you, which cost about 10
pence, but that's not the point. If I'm going
to expand my time and resources on you, I like
you enough to not want you to die of sepsis.
I know it's a low bar, but I do care about you
to that degree. And then obviously just go through
it. And also just in case of, you know, what
sort of aftercare do you think you're going to
need? Because, you know, if you are, if it is
just a case of, I'm going to drop you a message
tomorrow, check you're okay, I'll make sure everything's
cleaned up and check you're okay. If you want
to sit and cuddle with me afterwards, that's
absolutely fine. I'm more willing to do that,
but I also don't like expecting that either.
And that's not something I would usually need
off a, again off a very simple sort of taste
I've seen but if they do I'm happy to provide
it it is something I definitely need when I'm
doing horrible sadistic things to Molly but you
know so on both sides yeah just general I mean
I'm trying to focus on the things that are sort
of specific to sharps playing rather than sort
of broader because I know you've discussed kind
of yeah and there's what negotiate before any
we could talk all night about what goes into
good negotiation but yeah sort of the specific
things that you do because i've seen you do that
at events when we've been at events together
i've seen you doing those kind of taster sessions
and i think it's the way that you go about it
is really good because you really make everything
clear but also because you're so transparent
about everything, I think it really opens up
making people comfortable to ask you questions,
where sometimes people feel if they're doing
pick -up play or they're doing just something
that's like a little bit of a taster, they feel
like, well, this probably shouldn't need a lot
of negotiation, so I don't want to ask too much,
where actually you should ask as much as you
feel like you need to be comfortable. And I try
and kind of, I always kind of try and keep things
very jovial and very light for that sort of scene.
Yeah. In a way, I'm just like... it's not a big
deal. I mean, I'm not saying it's, I mean, it
can be a very big deal for someone if, you know,
I've got people who are overcoming phobias and
things, but what I want is for me is like, it's
not a big deal for me in the sense of like, I
don't have a great deal of expectations from
you. I don't, I don't, if I put one needle in
you and you go, nope, fine, that needle comes
straight out, I check you're okay. That's, that's
not a problem. You know what I mean? We, I usually
say to me, we're going to start with the smallest
needle I have and I'm going to sit in you for
a couple of minutes just to check you're okay
having it in you. And then I usually will let
them guide the thing. I'll say, you know, if
you decide you want another bigger needle, we
can do that. We can keep going. Yeah, I've done
it before where we have a rainbow down someone's
arm because they're colour -coded. Yeah. So it's
sort of getting bigger and bigger. Yeah. If you
decide, okay, I'm done. That's it. Fine, let
me know. And then we can decide, am I going to
take them out straight away or do you want to
wait? Yeah, yeah. Because obviously taking them
out is another sort of step. Yeah. And then...
it's a case of you're just like, okay, that needle's
just right, but the next one was a bit too much.
Can we try some more of that one? If I'm doing
this sort of scene, I usually try and have a
big box of a lot of different kinds of sizes
of needles that we can just... The downside of
doing that is because I'm having to get needles
out of the package, it knocks the aesthetic technique
a bit. So that's something we try and account
for. I'll usually try and take a few out at once
and then get the re -glove or get a little spray
on that, set for a bit, just kind of do that.
Yeah, that's sort of a trade -off that we have
there. Sorry, there's a cat looking at me. The
audience have won. Yeah, she does seem to like
to be involved when we're recording. And she's
quiet, which is good. Millie will come and sit
here for the recording and not cause any problems.
If Cookie comes to join in the recording, she
has thoughts to contribute. Yeah, bonus. Well,
you're a welcome presence, Millie. You're a very
welcome presence. And what would you suggest
for new people who are looking to try sharps?
Apart from... to come and see you for a taster
session. If they're looking for, either from
the top or the bottom, they're looking to try
sharps, what would they want to look for in partners
and how would they want to approach it? Yeah.
I mean, I would suggest, even before that, I
would suggest obviously get as much research
done as you can first. There are great, great
resources online now. There are some great users
on FET who have a lot of good stuff there. There
are... People doing sort of paid actual classes,
Brain of Blood, if you feel you would benefit
from the kind of more direct online class model.
Personally, I've actually only ever done one
actual online class or something. Right. Part
of that's been financial, part of it's just been
that I've not had things come up that I kind
of, well, I don't know what I do. And that's
also not kind of the way I learn. I'm a reader,
basically. Yeah. kind of a document person, but
plenty out there. Make sure you get a clear idea
of what it is you want to do and what you want
to try. If you're looking for a sharp stop, ask
the questions of what is your experience level?
And that experience level does not have to be
particularly high if you just want to try something
out with someone. If they bullshit you about
their experience level... that is where there's
a problem. That's what I mean. I would much rather
say, if someone says, hey, yes, I've done this
a couple of times, this is what I've learned,
this is what I've looked up, this is what I want
to do, this is what I've done, it's like, okay,
great. I'd be much more inclined to go with them
than the person who claims to be a huge experience,
I've done all this, this and this, and then I've
nothing to show for it and kind of, you know,
that's been about it. I'm the same with vetting
for literally anything. I would much rather someone
say, I don't know a lot, or I've taught myself,
or actually I learned in a really bad way and
made loads of mistakes. Transparency is sexy.
But if someone claims to be really amazing and
know all these things and can't tell you how
they learned it, where they learned it, what
they've actually got from that learning, that's
not great. And ask them, have you ever had something
go wrong? Yeah. And then the follow -up question
is, what did you do? But if their answer is...
If their answer is... Actually, I'm really lucky
I've not had anything go massively wrong. Great,
great answer. If the answer is to be like, no,
nothing could possibly go wrong with me, why
are you asking? That is the red flag. And you
don't even tell this, this is not shops for doing
stuff, you don't need me to tell you this, but
it's like anything like, yeah. If you can watch
people play, watch them play. I mean, I feel
stupid answering this question because it's all
very obvious stuff. I think it's the same as
any other kink, really. It's just the case that
it's a kink that maybe requires more technical
knowledge or research than some other kinks maybe
in terms of actual mechanics of things but in
terms of actually seeking out someone to play
a part or anything like that I think it's exactly
the same as any other kink apply yeah there's
never anything wrong with going over the basics
though because you know yeah if people listen
to our whole podcast beginning tomorrow they
might have heard some of this before but also
I always think about some of the times where
people have watched one of my two -minute TikTok
videos, taken it and run with it and done something
a little unwise, so I like us to get the 101
in there. Oh, there's a reason I said it all
before I said I felt stupid. I understand why
you may want that. I'm just saying the obvious
here, but I guess, you know, 20, yeah. But I
think you're right. I think there's, from my
perception of it anyway, and it's probably something
that kind of is probably holding me back from
trying it out, is... I think it does need a,
it feels like it needs a greater level of technical
understanding and knowledge than some other kinks
that we do. So, you know, it's not quite analogous,
but kind of, I think about impact. Yeah. It's
good to have an understanding of the human body
before you hit someone. But essentially, if you
stick to the fleshy parts of their arse, you're
going to be all right. Same principle in Shaftesbury.
Well, unless they can't. It's better to do it
somewhere where they can see it. I do also think
that you can get a bit of a mystification on
Shaftesbury that people think maybe there is
more to it technically than there is. We're actually
the basic principles of what you're doing. aren't
necessarily that complicated. It's the, yeah,
it's the knowing what you don't know, knowing
what to do and just knowing your level and playing
to your level is the thing. I think most of the
things that really go wrong with sharps, other
than sort of freak accidents, which will happen.
Yeah. I'd be very lucky. I've come, I mean, I
say very lucky, getting a sharp stick where you,
a needle stick where you're topping and the needle
sticks you. Yeah. It's not a big deal. It's,
I should say that's something if you're going
to shops top or even bottom, learn what to do
if that happens. Because you do need to know
what to do if that happens. There's a pretty
simple process of what to do, but you need to
know it. I'm lucky I've never actually had a
proper needle stick when I've been playing with
someone else. I've come about a millimetre away
from one. But yeah, that's the thing to say,
obviously, is make sure you know what to do if
things go wrong. Yeah. But I think, like in a
lot of kink, the big, when things really go wrong,
negligently, it's just playing beyond what you
know. Yeah. I don't mean in the sense of pushing
your boundaries, I mean beyond kind of what you've
learned or kind of how you... Yeah, yeah. And
it's interesting, Mix, that you say that you'd
be wary with sharps play because it seems so
technical. Mm -hmm. But we do waterboarding.
Yeah. I would say that is probably more technically
difficult. Yeah. But again, I suppose it... It
is about perception, isn't it? Because I can
remember before we did waterboarding, and I think
we probably had this specific conversation, is
that, you know, I was saying, if I'm going to
try waterboarding, I want to see someone do it.
I need to properly understand all of the ins
and outs of it and kind of be kind of mentored
in it. And then we did some research into it
and we did some kind of reading around of it.
And then we went to a couple of amazing classes.
And actually that really deep... scared the shit
out of us because of all the risk stuff that
we talked about but really demystified it as
well actually the mechanical process of it actually
quite straightforward as long as you're like
you say kind of playing within your comfort zone
playing within your level of knowledge and experience
and being really aware of the risks so yeah I
think you're right Once you sit down and start
learning things, they're not usually as complex
as you think. Yes. So just as we wrap up then,
I suppose I'm really interested in kind of your
favourite, your favourite shout -up scene or
your favourite scene generally that you've done?
Well, a few for the sort of favourite shout -ups.
I'm not going to get on that one. So there's
one that was really beautiful for me. It was
after, it was, so me and Marty had been playing
for about, maybe about four months. It was at
a public event. And it was when we got comfortable
enough with each other, we were kind of moving
away from a very simple, strictly laid out consent
model of, I'm going to do this, this, this, this,
this, and this order. Yeah. Something we discussed
together. It was basically a case of, I told
her at some point, I think all the things I was
going to try and do with her. Yeah. But when
we basically started the scene, I said, I'm going
to put you into this four of bondage, which I'll
discuss in a sec. And then I have a few things
I'm going to try and do with you. I don't expect
you to get through them all. we're going to basically,
we're going to play it to red. Yeah. Which is
a legitimate thing to do, you know, just saying
like, you just call red when you've had enough
and we'll end the scene and that's it. Yeah.
That's it. So what the scene consisted of, we
basically did a hog tie position. Right. But
I mean, I should say I don't do rope. Rope is
a soft limit for me. Right. The idea of tying
knots just fills me with dread. So we had staples.
I actually got, The metal rings of key rings
that you're attached that key ring to. Yeah,
yeah. I stapled some of those to Marty's scalp,
the back of her hands and the soles of her feet.
Right. And then with her on her stomach and on
her back, I attached them together with a fishing
line. Right. So she was essentially in a hog
tie position, but what was holding her in position
was the tension of the staple in her skin on
her hands, scalp and feet. Apparently the scalp,
the top of the scalp actually wasn't very painful.
I know, you know, but yeah, the feet definitely
were. I had her in that position and then I...
So this was at an event with an audience, so
we had actually invited some of our friends to
come and try. We put staples into her shins.
So we covered her shins in staples, all of her
shins, and I then beat over the staples with
the shambok, which is a very painful rubber whip.
That's incredibly mean. It's one of the most
evil things I've ever made. So we did that. And
then I also put some... I don't think there were
18 there. No, they had pink caps, so 20 -something.
Yeah. Anyway, I put some needles through her
toes. Not through the toenails, but actually
through the sort of pad of the toe. Yeah. Out
and through. Yeah. Sort of very painful. And
I put some 16 gauge needles, which are basically
the biggest medical needles you can get. Hypertension
needles. PSing needles go bigger. But for medical,
the biggest I've ever seen is 16 gauge. Quite
thick. Some of those in her arm. Right. Her arms
as they were held back. And obviously, at that
point, I was like, I've run out of moves. You
haven't. You've taken everything. I was like,
wow. That was when I knew I was dealing with
someone very special. Yeah. That's fair, yeah.
That's not to say she wasn't special if she hadn't
taken all that, but it was just the case of like,
I literally had all this stuff planned. I was
like, it's going to work for what we can. But
yeah, she took it all. She loved it. And I was
like, wow, okay. I like this girl. That is very
amazing, isn't it? Another really great one was
Kaylee from... in 38 if I remember before. Her
birthday scene where we did her, it was, actually
that was, was that 16 or 18? It was some very
thick needles and Katie had only done one small
needle scene before. Yeah. Something she'd wanted
to do to sort of really challenge herself as
sort of an intense thing. It was her, whatever
birthday it was, we put that number of needles
in her arms and legs while she was laying flat
in her drone gas mask thing. We then inserted
birthday cake candles into them and sort of lit
them. And when we lit the candles, I almost wept.
It was like, it was just so beautiful. This body
kind of lying there, glowing with these candles.
I was just like, oh my God, I'm part of the creation
of this beautiful, beautiful moment. So I think
aesthetically that's been the, I think the first
time I actually, it's probably because of what
it kind of made me realise and feel about my
own body's sort of ongoing down thing. Yeah.
The one with, you know, it was just aesthetically
just so stunning and it was a, you know, it was
with friends. It was like a group scene with
friends and it was being photographed and it
was, it was just, just beautiful to be a part
of a, like, you know, as I said, I'm not really
a, an aesthetic or decorative needle person.
Yeah. But with that, it was just like, wow. Probably
the most, one I feel obliged to mention just
on a, on a creative level is, what we call the
team you bottom surgery. Just something I've
done with Monty and I may do again. Molly being
a trans woman, we did a scene where I basically
kind of pushed her penis down and almost like
a tucking procedure, kind of rolled the scrotum
around it and stapled the scrotum in place. Wow.
So it sort of looked like a vagina. I remember
seeing the pictures of that. Yeah, and that was
quite incredible. But I mean, I mostly just want
to mention that one so I can get the phrase TBU
bottom surgery in everyone's heads. I have completely,
separately from you, came up with something similar
once, which I called I Got Bottom Surgery at
Claire's, which is where I got stapled shut.
Yeah, I've seen that one. Excellent stuff. Where
do you go from there? Have you got kind of big
plans for new scenes or kind of escalation of
scenes? What's there? So hopefully this weekend,
myself and Marty will be... I've got a hold of
some much larger piercing needles right some
12 gauge and some 8 gauge we're going to give
those a try don't know how they're going to go
we're not doing a full scene with them we're
just going to literally put them in see how it
is and then maybe later do another scene with
them because I need to know if she's able to
take them basically it's quite an escalation
more scalpel things we are yeah I suppose the
other I guess you'd call it sharps play is nailing
playing with nails That's something else that
we're going to make. I'm planning to do some
scrotum nailing at some point. Much like with
the sock thing you mentioned. I think the hardest
part for me is going to be sanitising the wood.
That's the bit I'm looking for. It's the really
practical things you've got to think about. Wouldn't
know where to begin. Parcel One, you're probably
just going to have to soak it in. I mean, you're
never going to get it sterile. No. But it's a
case of just getting as much as we can. But I
think Parcel One's going to be able to go, that's
something we're going to try. And we're intruding
on your domain a bit by planning to explore some
burns. Excellent. Good to be an influence. I'm
always excited when anyone else does any burning
because... A lot of the time, I will be the only
person in the room who knows they like getting
burned. And I guarantee if there's other masochists
in the room, they like it too. They just don't
know it yet. It's a very unique and special kind
of pain. Yeah. Excellent stuff. Well, thank you
very much for joining us, Matt. It's been a great
conversation. Thank you for having me. Yeah,
thank you. I was really excited to get you on
because I think you have such a lighthearted
and also so... so twisted approach to kink it's
a really perfect balance and you do a lot of
stuff that is well outside our area of experience
that's really nice to to get some insight into
i think particularly there's a lot of people
who who listen to our podcast who aren't really
part of the kink world they're maybe sort of
just setting out on that journey themselves or
they're not sure it's for them and they're just
interested to learn about how other people live
so getting a perspective like yours is something
that's really special to get to share so thank
you Have fun and try your best. That's what it's
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