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I don't know if I said, but I do have a title

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suggestion, which is Poker and Fun. I like it.

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You're welcome to that one. I said I would do

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an event called that, but I will never organise

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an event. I could do it as a alternating with

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my water sports event going for gold. Excellent

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stuff. Welcome to Don't Scare the Newbies, a

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podcast where we talk kink, raw and unfiltered.

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I'm Carisel, a lifestyle submissive in a 24 -7

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dynamic who likes their kink heavy, intense and

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scary. And I'm S, Carisel's dominant, who knows

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how to deliver all of the above. And today we

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have a guest. Mark is here to talk to us about

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sharps play. Hurrah. I was waiting for one of

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your one -liners. No, I know. I couldn't think

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of one for today. Get to the point. Get to the

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point. Oh, come on. Mark's going to take your

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job. Yeah, I'll just go. Well, I was going to

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start by welcoming Mark, but given that he's

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stolen my job, I'm not sure I will. Maybe Mark

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should welcome you as my new co -host. Yeah,

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there you go. Take it away, Mark. So welcome,

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S. I understand... I understand nothing, actually.

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Why don't you introduce us today? I understand

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that you have a guest today. We do have a guest,

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yes. Who might that be? Our former friend, Mark.

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I suppose that's where we should start, isn't

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it? Talk about how we met. I think you two met

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before I met you. Is that right? We did. I showed

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up in Carizzo's Fat Life inbox, which is not

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something that we recommend new people do. No.

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In general, I don't mean Carizzo specifically.

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I did something which, it's not a faux pas, it's

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a perfectly legitimate thing to do, and it does

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have... As you can see, it can have positive

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outcomes, but yes, often new people are told

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to be wary of. I wasn't new to FetLife. I was

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new to this instance of FetLife. I actually originally

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was on FetLife in 2008, but I never engaged with

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anything local. I used it as a social media,

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as a forum. And so yeah, when I decided to rejoin

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and kind of start approaching the scene and approaching

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people. Actually, today, before I came out, I

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actually went back through my DMs and read the

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first message that I was sent to Cruisel. Very

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prepared. I have no memory of what you said.

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I remember you seemed like a reasonably safe

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human. Yeah, basically a message saying, hi,

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I'm a local sadist, among other things. We have

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these shared interests. I am interested also

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in exploring these things that... you have experience

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with and I don't, which I believe was Cutting

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and Burning. Right. Would you like to chat potentially

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with a viewer to play down the line, but not

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with the expectation? Yeah, yeah. And I think

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she said, you know, I think it's because I was

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adding you as a friend and obviously I didn't

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want to send a bland friend request. Yeah. And

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then I got a... Polite positive response. And

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then I believe we just went out for coffee. Yeah,

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and you said meet me in Costa, and I didn't know

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there was more than one Costa. And there was

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a bit of wandering around Newcastle. Ah, yes,

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I remember this. But then we did it. We got to

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the right Costa, yes. So yes, we did the thing

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that's sensible to do if you're ever meeting

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someone from the internet, which is meet in a

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public place. Not what I typically did when I

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met people from the internet in those days, to

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be fair. Yes. And, yeah, I think we had a sound

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cast. I think it must be a good couple of hours

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we had a chat for. I think so, yeah. Just established

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we were on the same page with things. And I think

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at the end I was like, so would you be interested

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in playing at some point? And you said yes. Yeah.

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And then we agreed on what we were going to do,

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which was applying a surgical stapler to the

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soles of your feet. And then we had a period

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of about two months of having to rearrange and

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cancel because of actually having a space to

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do things. Yeah, well, neither of us were living

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alone. You obviously don't live on your own and

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I was living with my ex at the time. And me and

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my ex have a pretty good friendship and we're

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pretty open about a lot of things, but there's

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a difference between being open and actually

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playing with someone else with a... inch -thick

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wall separating you. Absolutely, yeah. But the

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solution we found was, once I started dating

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Mix, was for you to come here. Enter Mix. Yes,

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and that turned out being very, very good. Yeah,

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yeah. Yes, it was kind of an interesting one

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as I was... I sort of approached you at the point

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you were kind of just sort of starting to have

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this thing with their sort of... I think they

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realised it was... It's going to be a bit more

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serious and enveloping. Yeah. So, yes, we ended

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up... Our first scene together was the foot stapling.

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Yes. Actually, with us as assistants. Yeah. And

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I believe you did put at least one staple in,

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didn't you? Yeah, I think I did. Maybe did one

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in each foot. Yes, you did. I remember that,

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yes. I think you wanted to have a go at the removal,

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but I think because they were so painful and

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you'd never done it before, I requested that...

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the more experienced person through the refusal.

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Yeah, because this was something that I had absolutely

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no experience of and was just completely fascinated

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by it. So I was, I don't know, I guess I was

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the sharps cuck for the evening, sitting in the

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corner watching. Well, actually, you weren't

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sat in the corner watching. You were actually,

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you can edit this out if this undermines your

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terrifying persona anyway, but you're actually

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holding Caruso's hand and encouraging them and

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reassuring them. And it was really nice because

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it, I mean, because that's the sort of thing

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I usually do during a scene. Certainly if someone

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new, you know, I have a mean, verbal bastard

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side, but I generally don't bring that out if

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I'm doing something with someone new, something

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that they have not tried before. You know, it

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can be slightly different in ongoing dynamics,

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but I generally kind of, so it's kind of nice

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to have you take a bit of that as well and able

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to sort of assist with that. But yes, I do go

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into... I kind of went into what I call my GP

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voice mode. You're going to feel a sharp scratch.

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You're doing very well. Which honestly makes

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it more terrifying. I think it probably would

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have been less scary if you'd been verbally degrading

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me and stuff. The GP voice was terrifying. That

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is part of it, yes. I understand certainly for

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certain bottoms that actually your pain threshold

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will go up when you're being degraded. it was

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more with that sort of thing of, you know, I

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need you to not be in subspace in some degree.

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You know, I do need feedback on how much I'm

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hurting you with that sort of thing. And obviously

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to do any sort of verbal or even like power exchange

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side, it's just an extra level of negotiation,

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which is fine, which I'm willing to do. It just

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so happens that when I was doing that for the

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first time, and also that was my first time playing

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with someone else for quite a while as well,

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as I had said, because of, various things. I

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don't know if anyone's heard of the COVID -19

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pandemic, if anyone remembers that. Might be

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vague. I've heard some of the lore. But even

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before that, I'd had some horrible spinal issues

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for a long time. So I'd been kind of, I hadn't

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really done any play with anyone else for a while.

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I'd done some solo play. I was like, okay, I

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need to check that I can still do this stuff.

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So, you know, I tried a few staples on myself

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and a few needles on myself as well. I'd kind

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of check, okay, yes, I still know how to do this.

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I did try one staple on my foot so I knew now

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I'm I'm diabetic so I have to be very very careful

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what happens to my feet so I couldn't do more

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than one but just so I knew roughly what it was

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going to be like I did put one in my sole and

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I was like that's a bit rough isn't it and it

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was like I thought i i'd done a fair bit with

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staples i hadn't and still have no experience

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with with needles but i'd done a lot with staples

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because my ex -partner was interested in sharps

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but had a phobia of needles so we went for staples

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and i'd done what i thought was some pretty heavy

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stuff with staples and i was like yeah yeah yeah

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staples are no bother um and then i found having

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them in my feet was very different and it's permanently

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changed my relationship with staples as well

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where now that's a much more intense form of

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play for me than it used to be just purely because

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of the association I'm so proud of that. I shouldn't

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be, but I'm so proud of that. You know, I did

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traumatise you in a sense, and I don't mean that

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in a negative or a horrible... And I don't want

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to sound glib about that, but, you know, I did

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kind of, yeah, change my relationship to him.

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I mean, the thing with staples is... Sorry, go

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on. Sorry. I mean, the thing with staples is,

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yeah, I mean, I imagine we've discussed the various

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forms of shafts play at some point, but we're

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talking about surgical staples here. We're not

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talking about getting an office stapler. Although

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I'd be lying if I said I never messed about with

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one of those in my teens. These are medical staplers

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for sterile staplers, prepackaged, forced, sealing

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wounds. The main difference is that whereas a

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normal stapler will just push straight down and

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bounce back up the staple, they close inwards

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in a sort of pincer fashion. So they're not going

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deep into the skin. The one thing I like about

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them is that they're going to a set depth. It's

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not like with needles where you have to be careful.

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how deep you're putting them. You're putting

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them on against, you put it flat against the

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skin, well, against the skin. You pull it, it

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goes in to its own set amount. Yeah. And unless

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you're doing it somewhere very, very unwise,

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it's pretty low risk. You know, it's not going

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to go in deeply and cause a lot of damage. Yeah.

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But that's sort of why I like torturing feet.

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I mean, I am a foot fetishist. I like being nice

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to feet as well. But there is also the thing

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of they're extremely sensitive. You know, they

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have all the nerve endings. Yeah, yeah. But they're

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relatively tough. Yeah. Certainly the soles of

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the feet are relatively, capital word, relatively

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tough for the amount of pain you get. Yeah. Which

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is kind of why. I've noticed that with other

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kinds of play as well. I really like having my

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feet caned. And I've never marked from it once,

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even taking it pretty hard. And even cigarette

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burns on the sole of the feet will rarely raise

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a blister. Little red mark and that's it. Which

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should tell you, some of the stuff I really like

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having done to my feet tells you how bad staples

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are that I struggle with it. Because I'll take

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canes on my feet all day very happily, but staples

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were quite something else. But I'm really proud

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I did it. But you did really well, though. Because

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it was like, wasn't it like 13 or 14 in each

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foot? that you had? Oh, I don't know. I can't

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remember now. I should have looked this up. We

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should have done some fact -checking before.

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You definitely did both feet. Definitely did

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both feet, yeah. But we certainly did enough.

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I think it was about 10 in each. I think we probably

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rounded it off at 10. We can look and see at

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some point. Fact -check. Get a BBC verify. Because

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obviously the thing with the stapler is it's

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not... Like being hit with something, it stays,

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it lingers. The skin is under tension. So it's

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not like a bad thing happens momentarily and

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then it's gone. It stays in and it builds until

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you take it out. And obviously taking it out

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can also be painful depending on how it's done.

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So that's one of the fun sides of staples and

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needles, I suppose. And the other really fun

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thing about that evening was you recorded it.

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I did, yes. For my sins, I'm also an experimental

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musician. And I actually borrowed quite a nice

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microphone from the university. And I got a nice

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recording of Carousel's screams. And then I...

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I used those screams as source material for a

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harsh noise record. And the artwork for that

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record is a photograph of the stables in the

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feet in question. It's still available if anyone...

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If there are any sonic masochists out there,

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I want to enjoy it. I realised in hindsight we

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missed an opportunity for you to use that in

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the interrogation as one of the noises that you

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made in the room. Yeah, you're right. It would

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have been a really interesting head fuck to use

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my own screams. Yeah, yeah. I probably still

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have the raw recordings as well. I probably do

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as well. Yeah, the raw screams. So that could

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be interesting. Right. Next time. Next time.

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Yeah, there we go. That's the reason why we're

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going to do another interrogation. Yeah, you

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got it. To torture you with your own screams.

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Excellent. Beep. So you both know this about

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me, that if I begin a sentence with you could,

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you're about to hear the worst thing I've ever

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said. You could always, of course, do a scene

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where you play the scream on a loop and you beat

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them until they can match the scream, to your

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satisfaction. That is a great idea. And I mean

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to your satisfaction, so you decide if it's inappropriate,

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if they've got it matched enough. Bit like, you

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know, the... Was it SingStar on the PlayStation

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where you're singing on the microphone and it

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cracked your pitch and it would tell you if you

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were going to do that with recordings of your

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own screams? One of the things I always enjoy

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about when we hang out is it always seems to

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end up with Mark giving a horrible suggestion

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to Mix for something. I think one of my favourites

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is the suggestion you had of force -feeding me

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cat food, making me throw up and then making

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me eat it for a second time. Yes. Deeply unpleasant.

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And it's on my list of things I want to try.

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Okay, still on the list. I keep putting it on

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the list, and I think it's actually Mix who's

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a little bit wary about that one. I don't think

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they want to see it happen. That is true. My

00:14:11.470 --> 00:14:13.590
favourite suggestion I think I gave to you, there

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was a discussion of spider boarding at one point.

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I think that was one of yours. And then I said,

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well, the idea I had was putting a spider gag

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or a gag that forces the mouth open. Putting

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a drop of nectar on the tongue and then walking

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around Butterfly World. So your mouth is just

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swarmed with butterflies and you can't do anything

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about it. Hate that. Still not as bad as spiders,

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though. I would rather butterflies in my mouth

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than spiders. That's fair. But I do remember

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the conversation, the fairly in -depth conversation

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about, is it a small number of large spiders

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or a large number of very small spiders? You're

00:14:51.139 --> 00:14:54.659
talking about weight. Yeah. You know, that sort

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of thing. But it's always a fun little thing

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when we do kind of get together. It's usually

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at munches, and we usually end up sitting on

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a table and coming up with those sort of suggestions.

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And then every now and again, you'll catch the

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face of somebody else around the table who's

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just completely horrified by what we're talking

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about. What I like is sometimes we end up at

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a munch. It happens a few times. Us, usually

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myself and Marty, I'll talk about in a moment,

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my play partner, and another couple who are on

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the scene who are kind of more... So I think

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of you two as being sort of the extreme sort

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of power exchange kind of people. And obviously

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the pigeon as well. And then obviously myself

00:15:34.659 --> 00:15:36.480
and Marty do all the extreme sharps playing,

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the blood and the torture and things. And then

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there's another couple who do a lot of the extreme

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degradation things. They're into, they play around

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with scars and things like that. And a lot of

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sort of vomit playing. It's almost like, yeah,

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we have the, it's like the sort of dream team.

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And we have a sort of conference of like, a government

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meeting. The Ministry of Degradation submits

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their report. And the Ministry of Control submits

00:16:01.549 --> 00:16:04.669
their report. And then we all discuss things.

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It's great. And then some newbie sits down at

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the table and is like, wait, is this what everyone's

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doing? And it's like, no, no, you don't have

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to do this. It's fine. You don't even have to

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listen to it. But then you've got the newbie

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who's like, wait, I can do this sort of thing.

00:16:18.409 --> 00:16:22.629
I don't like going to... I found my people. Yes,

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we don't... The newbies aren't always scared.

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No, definitely. No, that is true. But I think

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it's just worth recognising. You kind of talked

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about how the two of you got in touch. You sent

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a message through FetLife. And usually you hear

00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:40.620
that and your heart sinks a little bit. But actually,

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the way that you described it is kind of textbook.

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Acting like a decent human being, being polite,

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going, this is where we're in. And reading profiles

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is key. I was actively seeking play partners

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at the time. I made it really clear on my profile.

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I was looking to play with a lot of people. I

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was open to meeting people I hadn't spoken to

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before. I was open to being approached online.

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Like if someone's got that kind of stuff in their

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profile, it's absolutely fair enough to message

00:17:04.509 --> 00:17:05.849
them. It doesn't guarantee they're going to be

00:17:05.849 --> 00:17:07.950
interested, but at least they're open to being

00:17:07.950 --> 00:17:09.930
approached. If someone says on their profile,

00:17:10.089 --> 00:17:11.450
like, don't message me unless I've met you in

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person. I'm not accepting friend requests just

00:17:13.809 --> 00:17:16.029
now. Like I'm just here to use it as social media.

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I'm not looking for anyone to play with. And

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then you message them with a picture of you.

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a dick going do you want to suck it like that's

00:17:20.930 --> 00:17:23.170
not going to go over as well there's a lot of

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different ways where different people are going

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to be looking for a different approach and and

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the quality of your message definitely matters

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yeah yeah i think yeah yeah the yeah or whatever

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the disney would be anything of just just being

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polite and the yeah and the hi not hello bitch

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which would be also unusually gendered but you

00:17:42.990 --> 00:17:46.869
know hello slave or not hello goddess hello it's

00:17:46.869 --> 00:17:49.730
like it's hello hi Hope you're doing well. You

00:17:49.730 --> 00:17:51.769
know, kind of, yeah. And then, you know, they're

00:17:51.769 --> 00:17:54.490
not, you know, you're equals until you say otherwise,

00:17:54.609 --> 00:17:57.289
until you agree otherwise. Yeah, yeah. And, yeah,

00:17:57.369 --> 00:17:59.670
specific. It's like, not a blanket message to

00:17:59.670 --> 00:18:01.750
everyone, it's a specific message to, hey, I

00:18:01.750 --> 00:18:03.750
have read your profile. Yeah, yeah. This, this,

00:18:03.750 --> 00:18:06.750
and this. Here are our shared interests. Yeah.

00:18:06.829 --> 00:18:09.289
And then, would you, but I also wouldn't kind

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of, I think I made sure, as I said, would you

00:18:13.769 --> 00:18:16.210
like to chat potentially with a view to playing?

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Yeah, yeah. Rather than just being like, hey,

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I just want to be platonic friends with you and

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I just want to chat. It's like... Yeah, yeah.

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It just kind of seems like you're just going

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to try and transition it later on to something

00:18:27.490 --> 00:18:28.930
else. It's pretty straight up. It's like, hey,

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I'm interested with a potential view to this.

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Yeah. And if you don't get a response back, fine.

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Don't send a second message. Move on. If you

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get a rejection message back, which, yeah, has

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happened too. Yeah. You say, thank you for writing

00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:52.900
the responses polite, which if your initial message

00:18:52.900 --> 00:18:55.839
is polite, it really should be. Yeah. Even if

00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:59.559
it's a no thank you is, you know, just okay.

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Thank you. Yeah. Good. I wish you well in your

00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:06.200
endeavors. We don't. Yeah. I mean, I do think,

00:19:06.299 --> 00:19:10.079
yeah, kind of. But cold messaging on FetLife

00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:12.019
is probably one of the worst ways to find player

00:19:12.019 --> 00:19:14.460
partners, but it does, it can, it can happen.

00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:19.079
Yeah. And if it's, yeah. I mean, and obviously

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that was, this was before, or this was maybe

00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:24.599
about the same time as I'd started going to some

00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:27.440
events. Right. Sort of munching things up, social

00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:31.059
events. But I'd also kind of very clearly set

00:19:31.059 --> 00:19:32.759
myself a thing of that I would not be approaching

00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:37.150
anyone for play at a social event. for a significant

00:19:37.150 --> 00:19:40.490
period of time I was like very much I'm going

00:19:40.490 --> 00:19:44.170
here as a social thing so yeah the thing of you

00:19:44.170 --> 00:19:47.670
can then approach people in writing especially

00:19:47.670 --> 00:19:51.329
for various forms of neurodivergence that are

00:19:51.329 --> 00:19:52.710
right on the scene it can be nice to just be

00:19:52.710 --> 00:19:55.710
like hello I'm going to submit a formal request

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to you and you can reply to it and then we can

00:19:58.789 --> 00:20:02.269
move on Submit a request to the Ministry of Degradation.

00:20:02.309 --> 00:20:07.430
Yes. So it is a way of doing things, yeah. I

00:20:07.430 --> 00:20:09.849
would never say to anyone, don't message people

00:20:09.849 --> 00:20:13.549
on FET, I would say. Yeah. Think about how you're

00:20:13.549 --> 00:20:15.630
doing it. What you're doing and why you're doing

00:20:15.630 --> 00:20:19.230
it. Quality over quantity. Don't send the same

00:20:19.230 --> 00:20:21.269
message to everyone in your local area because

00:20:21.269 --> 00:20:24.990
those people all know each other. And we'll laugh

00:20:24.990 --> 00:20:27.660
at you and we'll show it to each other. spot

00:20:27.660 --> 00:20:30.859
you at the month to go. Yes, and that does obviously

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mean that if you've sent an unpleasant or even

00:20:35.619 --> 00:20:40.900
an awkward or unwanted message to someone, and

00:20:40.900 --> 00:20:42.119
then you are going to say that much, that can

00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:44.619
make things awkward. In a way that if you haven't

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sent the message and you just said hello to them

00:20:46.579 --> 00:20:48.980
politely, down the line you may well have ended

00:20:48.980 --> 00:20:54.180
up getting what you want. Exercise caution. And

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I've never... met anyone else that's messaged

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me on FetLife because I've never had another

00:20:59.750 --> 00:21:02.529
message asking for play that was actually like

00:21:02.529 --> 00:21:06.990
worth entertaining yeah it has just been like

00:21:06.990 --> 00:21:10.269
red flags everywhere like minimal communication

00:21:10.269 --> 00:21:13.569
just demanding a list of activities without paying

00:21:13.569 --> 00:21:15.609
attention to what I'm into it's like that's not

00:21:15.609 --> 00:21:17.650
gonna go anywhere and to be fair I haven't had

00:21:17.650 --> 00:21:19.269
a lot of time where I've been single on FetLife

00:21:19.269 --> 00:21:22.829
because because my period between My last relationship

00:21:22.829 --> 00:21:25.210
ending and getting with Mix was shorter than

00:21:25.210 --> 00:21:27.390
I planned it to be. Yes, I managed to dive through

00:21:27.390 --> 00:21:31.529
that window. But yes, I imagine also with the...

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I mean, I would imagine as a submissive, as a

00:21:35.269 --> 00:21:39.990
masochist, you'll get a lot of people feeling

00:21:39.990 --> 00:21:42.609
the need to sort of play a dominant role in a

00:21:42.609 --> 00:21:47.549
message. Yeah. And kind of be like... Yeah, kind

00:21:47.549 --> 00:21:50.410
of present themselves as a sort of... what they

00:21:50.410 --> 00:21:54.150
think is your fantasy of a sort of a, a sort

00:21:54.150 --> 00:21:56.289
of brute taking control. And it's just like,

00:21:56.369 --> 00:21:58.069
that's not something you can do in a blind message

00:21:58.069 --> 00:21:59.609
without coming across as just quite laughable

00:21:59.609 --> 00:22:02.069
anyway. Yeah. You are actually going to have

00:22:02.069 --> 00:22:04.890
to sit down and have a calm discussion before

00:22:04.890 --> 00:22:07.730
we do these things. Yeah. Definitely. I know

00:22:07.730 --> 00:22:09.230
you haven't always done that. I'm not judging

00:22:09.230 --> 00:22:10.730
you for that. We don't need to generally kind

00:22:10.730 --> 00:22:14.789
of, yeah, as a, yeah. There's definitely been

00:22:14.789 --> 00:22:16.349
times I've jumped into things quickly, but I've

00:22:16.349 --> 00:22:18.500
still always very much been. we start this as

00:22:18.500 --> 00:22:21.019
equals. Even if that period of negotiation is

00:22:21.019 --> 00:22:23.400
quite short and quite simple, it's still done

00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:26.480
as equals before you do anything else. So the

00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:28.500
main reason we invited you today, and to be fair,

00:22:28.500 --> 00:22:30.279
there's probably about 20 different topics we

00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:32.500
could have invited you on to talk about in loads

00:22:32.500 --> 00:22:34.220
of depth, but we thought we'd start at least

00:22:34.220 --> 00:22:37.099
with Sharps play, because that's something that

00:22:37.099 --> 00:22:39.519
me and Mix have maybe a little bit more limited

00:22:39.519 --> 00:22:43.390
experience of, and you... I would not use the

00:22:43.390 --> 00:22:44.750
word expert because I know you're going to tell

00:22:44.750 --> 00:22:47.130
me no if I do, but you are someone who is experienced

00:22:47.130 --> 00:22:49.950
and amongst the people we know, definitely kind

00:22:49.950 --> 00:22:52.190
of playing at the most sort of complex level,

00:22:52.269 --> 00:22:54.430
I think, with sharps. Yes, I mean, certainly

00:22:54.430 --> 00:22:58.470
in terms of people who play publicly on the local

00:22:58.470 --> 00:23:01.950
scene, I'm sort of known for my sharps play.

00:23:02.750 --> 00:23:06.289
Again, yes, I'm not an expert. As I always say,

00:23:06.410 --> 00:23:09.029
I know my level. I play to my level. I do what

00:23:09.029 --> 00:23:13.670
I can to expand the level. I take whatever education

00:23:13.670 --> 00:23:17.470
I can. But yeah, it kind of has become my most

00:23:17.470 --> 00:23:19.730
prominent kink, seeing what people see of me

00:23:19.730 --> 00:23:22.970
and seeing what I do with my player partner,

00:23:23.029 --> 00:23:27.430
Marty. It's kind of the main thing we do. So

00:23:27.430 --> 00:23:29.829
it's kind of what I'm known for on the scene,

00:23:29.849 --> 00:23:33.529
I think, because the venue in the North East

00:23:33.529 --> 00:23:35.849
that events are held at never used to allow needleplay.

00:23:36.470 --> 00:23:40.540
And then they started allowing needleplay. with

00:23:40.540 --> 00:23:43.759
organiser authorisation, but didn't advertise

00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:46.920
that. So I came along new on the scene and being

00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:48.180
like, I wonder if I'm allowed to do a needle

00:23:48.180 --> 00:23:50.660
play and found out afresh. Whereas obviously

00:23:50.660 --> 00:23:51.960
everyone who'd been on the scene for years kind

00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:53.359
of assumed they weren't allowed to do it. So

00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:55.519
I think that's partly why I kind of, and I have

00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:57.640
seen other people doing it at events recently,

00:23:57.720 --> 00:23:59.319
which is absolutely fantastic. I'd love to see

00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:03.759
that, even more of it. And yes, it's become what

00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:08.180
I'm known for. And obviously with my play partner,

00:24:08.220 --> 00:24:10.940
Motti, I've met my match in terms of this whole

00:24:10.940 --> 00:24:13.660
thing. We really do kind of like to explore and

00:24:13.660 --> 00:24:15.220
sort of push these things with one another. The

00:24:15.220 --> 00:24:17.099
way it often works with Mottie is I come up with

00:24:17.099 --> 00:24:20.380
an idea as a joke and she replies, let's do it.

00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:24.059
Do it, you coward. That sounds familiar. I feel

00:24:24.059 --> 00:24:25.599
like there's a very similar vibe with how you

00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:28.359
and Mottie make each other worse and how me and

00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:30.599
Mick do. Sometimes there'll be a two -month period

00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:32.500
of me saying, are you sure you want to do this?

00:24:32.539 --> 00:24:35.400
Are you sure you want to do this? And it's, yes,

00:24:35.619 --> 00:24:40.559
do it, you coward. And then I do it. And it's

00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:43.740
good. You'll absolutely hear Motti saying that

00:24:43.740 --> 00:24:45.920
as well. Yeah, I feel like I possibly have heard

00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:49.400
Motti say that. Yeah, probably. So we've talked

00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:51.779
a little bit about, we've touched on staples,

00:24:51.819 --> 00:24:53.799
you've mentioned needles a couple of times. What

00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:56.319
does sharps play cover for you? What sort of

00:24:56.319 --> 00:25:02.220
counts as sharps? So for me, I guess broadly,

00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:08.039
anything that is a sharp point or edge, breaking

00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:12.359
the skin, I would say. So, yes, needle play,

00:25:12.579 --> 00:25:18.400
and then blades. In the past year, I've started

00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:20.720
doing some scalpel play, cutting the scalpels.

00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:22.380
Medical scalpel isn't something I've done before.

00:25:24.339 --> 00:25:27.819
In the distant past, I've done some probably

00:25:27.819 --> 00:25:32.519
quite unwise knife play. I think many people

00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:38.400
have the same story. But, yes. yeah, kind of,

00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:40.619
not discovered, but was in a position to start

00:25:40.619 --> 00:25:44.240
exploring scalpel play about a year or so ago.

00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:45.920
Right. And we've done some of that since then.

00:25:46.180 --> 00:25:47.859
Yeah. And I've become a big fan of that. So yes,

00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:50.319
those are the sort of three, the three branches

00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:53.440
of it that, yeah, it's needles, staples and scalpels

00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:56.519
are the three that I explore. Yeah. You could

00:25:56.519 --> 00:25:58.779
do, people do fantastic things with knives. You

00:25:58.779 --> 00:26:01.740
can, there's no reason why a knife is less safe

00:26:01.740 --> 00:26:03.400
than a scalpel necessarily if you have the right

00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:07.589
precautions. it's as much a matter of personal

00:26:07.589 --> 00:26:11.049
taste and preference, actually, that I like using

00:26:11.049 --> 00:26:13.750
a scalpel. And in the UK, there's some very heavy

00:26:13.750 --> 00:26:16.089
restrictions legally around knives. I know a

00:26:16.089 --> 00:26:18.849
lot of BDSM falls into a slightly questionable

00:26:18.849 --> 00:26:21.029
legal area anyway, but particularly once you

00:26:21.029 --> 00:26:23.309
start buying things that are classed as illegal

00:26:23.309 --> 00:26:25.789
weapons, you're getting into a really dodgy zone.

00:26:26.029 --> 00:26:28.369
Yes, I mean, you can get knives, you can get

00:26:28.369 --> 00:26:30.789
suitable, I believe you can still get suitable

00:26:30.789 --> 00:26:33.480
knives that are... that are legal to own. The

00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:35.160
amount of things that are rapidly being made

00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:36.839
illegal by this government, I don't know how

00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:40.359
that'll stand for. I don't know anyone who plays

00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:43.200
with zombie knives, but if you do, keep them

00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:45.259
hidden because they just got made illegal, I

00:26:45.259 --> 00:26:48.220
think. Yeah, and obviously certainly not something

00:26:48.220 --> 00:26:52.359
you can take to a venue, whereas a sealed...

00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:55.400
I mean, our local venue does not allow scalpel

00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:57.319
play. I do not expect them to allow scalpel play.

00:26:57.559 --> 00:27:00.210
I do have to go further afield to do that. That's

00:27:00.210 --> 00:27:02.450
fine. But yeah, certainly in the unlikely event

00:27:02.450 --> 00:27:03.650
you get stopped and searched about everything,

00:27:03.750 --> 00:27:09.910
it's a sealed, sterile scalpel. It's not going

00:27:09.910 --> 00:27:12.329
to be easy to explain, but easier to explain

00:27:12.329 --> 00:27:16.730
than a hunting knife or what have you. So yeah,

00:27:16.769 --> 00:27:19.569
there is that side of it as well. But I do see

00:27:19.569 --> 00:27:21.289
some wonderful things on Fed done with knives.

00:27:24.069 --> 00:27:26.990
Power to you. Enjoy. But I like the precision

00:27:26.990 --> 00:27:30.150
of a scalpel. I like the... I like that, having

00:27:30.150 --> 00:27:32.910
something very, very tiny. Yeah. A tiny blade

00:27:32.910 --> 00:27:37.130
that can do so much. Yeah. It's fascinating as

00:27:37.130 --> 00:27:38.769
well, I've done some scalpel play in the past

00:27:38.769 --> 00:27:41.829
and because they're so small and so sharp, it

00:27:41.829 --> 00:27:43.950
doesn't bleed straight away and then watching

00:27:43.950 --> 00:27:46.549
it gradually come up. Yes, the blue, as we call

00:27:46.549 --> 00:27:49.970
it. Yeah. Yes. I mean, yeah, sometimes with a

00:27:49.970 --> 00:27:53.150
scalpel cut, you have maybe a minute before the

00:27:53.150 --> 00:27:55.150
blood fully hits the surface. Yeah. You just

00:27:55.150 --> 00:27:56.809
think, oh, it's a tiny white line and it just

00:27:56.809 --> 00:28:00.809
very slowly fills in. Oh, it's gorgeous. That

00:28:00.809 --> 00:28:03.410
was a sigh of aesthetic appreciation. I'm not

00:28:03.410 --> 00:28:11.369
being horny here. It's fine. We had Tom and Kay

00:28:11.369 --> 00:28:14.210
from Insert here over a little while ago to record.

00:28:14.569 --> 00:28:16.910
And because of Tom being an exhibitionist, he

00:28:16.910 --> 00:28:18.609
was getting quite excited at the thought of having

00:28:18.609 --> 00:28:21.349
quite a large audience, I think. Kept talking

00:28:21.349 --> 00:28:22.650
about things, getting him off. It was great.

00:28:23.829 --> 00:28:30.269
He's a pervert, that lad. Shout out, Tom, if

00:28:30.269 --> 00:28:32.130
you're listening. I absolutely love you, man.

00:28:32.430 --> 00:28:34.410
Love you, man. The things that you do with sharps,

00:28:34.410 --> 00:28:36.730
the needles, the staples, the blades, how did

00:28:36.730 --> 00:28:38.869
you get into that? Is that something you've always

00:28:38.869 --> 00:28:41.470
been interested in? Yeah, so, I mean, like I

00:28:41.470 --> 00:28:44.349
say, I've, in my younger days, done some unwise

00:28:44.349 --> 00:28:48.950
things with knives. During my young explorations,

00:28:49.069 --> 00:28:51.930
I used to enjoy putting an office staple just

00:28:51.930 --> 00:28:55.089
on my hand for masochistic pleasure. So, yeah,

00:28:55.150 --> 00:28:57.480
the act of... I've always had a thing for the

00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:59.740
act of stapling. It's always been kind of exciting

00:28:59.740 --> 00:29:03.960
to me. You press it and then it's in. It's been

00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:10.819
exciting. The first time I did anything more

00:29:10.819 --> 00:29:15.400
formally, sensibly needle, was when we did some

00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:16.759
needle play, probably when we had a partner.

00:29:16.940 --> 00:29:21.160
We explored a bit of just getting some medical

00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:23.480
needles, surgical needles. Not particularly big

00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:26.440
ones, but big enough to have one. Yeah, just

00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:29.160
putting them in each other and enjoying it. I

00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:30.720
was like, oh, I enjoy this. Yeah, so that was

00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:32.420
something I'd enjoyed. Also, it was something

00:29:32.420 --> 00:29:36.500
I'd wanted to explore more of and also the stateless

00:29:36.500 --> 00:29:38.319
as well. We'd got a hold of one of those and

00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:41.180
had a bit of fun with. Yeah, it's only really

00:29:41.180 --> 00:29:43.960
since I've kind of come onto the local King scene

00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:46.559
and found my people in a way and certainly found

00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:49.359
one specific person who brings out something

00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:51.519
that I've really explored and kind of pushed

00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:55.539
that further. Yeah, more complicated scenes,

00:29:55.819 --> 00:29:59.720
much bigger needles. Putting them in some really

00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:02.500
interesting places. Finding very, very nasty

00:30:02.500 --> 00:30:07.119
places to put them. I mean, if you want to know

00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:10.400
about, I guess, talking about why I like them

00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:13.720
or the part of it I like, I'm not so much a sort

00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:16.000
of decorative sharps player. I can appreciate

00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:17.640
it, and I've done a few things with patterns,

00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:20.529
but I'm not... someone who's into doing very

00:30:20.529 --> 00:30:23.009
precise needle placement and in sort of patterns

00:30:23.009 --> 00:30:26.470
i'm about at least the sensation if not the pain

00:30:26.470 --> 00:30:29.089
i mean it's not always painful um you can use

00:30:29.089 --> 00:30:30.809
a very small needle in a certain place it's not

00:30:30.809 --> 00:30:32.369
necessarily to be pain as such it can be quite

00:30:32.369 --> 00:30:35.490
a meditative sensation but yeah and i like i

00:30:35.490 --> 00:30:37.670
like the penetration i like the the act of penetrating

00:30:37.670 --> 00:30:43.170
skin is really powerful to me yeah um that sort

00:30:43.170 --> 00:30:46.950
of both as a top and a bottom you know that porousness

00:30:46.950 --> 00:30:51.309
um The idea that the body is not this discreet

00:30:51.309 --> 00:30:53.509
thing that's shut off from the outside world.

00:30:53.630 --> 00:30:55.369
You're actually porous with the outside world.

00:30:55.829 --> 00:30:59.869
And you kind of have... We're all covered in

00:30:59.869 --> 00:31:05.049
orifices. That's a beautiful statement to make.

00:31:05.190 --> 00:31:12.009
I can get very pretentious with the French philosophy

00:31:12.009 --> 00:31:15.630
on this stuff, but there are these things about

00:31:15.630 --> 00:31:19.720
this idea of the... Yeah, the body as being this

00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:21.660
kind of open, porous thing that's made up of

00:31:21.660 --> 00:31:24.859
multiplicities rather than being this single,

00:31:25.059 --> 00:31:28.680
solid, sort of inviolable thing is really, really

00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:32.460
powerful to me as an idea and just really turns

00:31:32.460 --> 00:31:35.359
me on. And yes, also the pain side of it. I am

00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:38.720
a sadist. I'm a masochist. I'm a better sadist

00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:41.079
than I am a masochist in some ways. I do things

00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:43.900
to people like you. I couldn't perceive myself

00:31:43.900 --> 00:31:48.019
to the same extent. I like to always, have an

00:31:48.019 --> 00:31:51.359
idea what I'm inflicting on someone, but that

00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:53.599
means I can put one needle in myself. That doesn't

00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:55.079
mean I'm putting 50 needles in myself the way

00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:59.799
I have with someone. I'd like to explore more

00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:02.819
bottoming for sharps, but until recently, I was

00:32:02.819 --> 00:32:07.660
kind of the only sharp stop. A cue does tend

00:32:07.660 --> 00:32:12.960
to form. It does, yeah. I must train. For completely

00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.480
non -selfish reasons, I must train some more

00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.009
sharp stops. For the good of the community. For

00:32:19.009 --> 00:32:20.690
the good of the community, yes. Yeah, absolutely.

00:32:21.470 --> 00:32:26.029
You know, I mean, I've had, yeah, I did, I've

00:32:26.029 --> 00:32:29.109
had, I believe at one of the Femdom events, I

00:32:29.109 --> 00:32:33.049
had a play partner of mine. What was it we did?

00:32:33.130 --> 00:32:37.670
It was, I said my penis and scrotum had staples

00:32:37.670 --> 00:32:39.230
in them, which were attached with cable ties

00:32:39.230 --> 00:32:42.150
and other staples to my thighs and sort of stomach.

00:32:42.750 --> 00:32:44.410
So I sort of spread out and then I had, I think

00:32:44.410 --> 00:32:47.529
it was six needles placed into my foreskin and

00:32:47.529 --> 00:32:51.410
scrotum. So I have had these things done. Yeah,

00:32:51.450 --> 00:32:52.690
I mean, you were saying you're not as much of

00:32:52.690 --> 00:32:54.430
a masochist as you are a sadist. That sounds

00:32:54.430 --> 00:32:56.549
like some pretty good masochism to me. Yeah,

00:32:56.549 --> 00:32:59.349
but they were only like 21, 22 gauge. They weren't

00:32:59.349 --> 00:33:01.670
big needles. Compared to some of the stuff I've

00:33:01.670 --> 00:33:05.210
done. Six little needles in your penis is fine.

00:33:05.630 --> 00:33:11.569
Yeah, yeah. So I'm not saying I'm not a maskist.

00:33:11.589 --> 00:33:13.789
I have the privilege of having a wonderful play

00:33:13.789 --> 00:33:19.730
partner, Marty, who can both take a lot and is

00:33:19.730 --> 00:33:23.970
always wanting to try more. And we do feed off

00:33:23.970 --> 00:33:28.130
of each other wonderfully. But yeah, so you have

00:33:28.130 --> 00:33:32.930
needles and staples in genitals, feet, under

00:33:32.930 --> 00:33:35.029
fingernails and toenails has been our thing recently.

00:33:37.410 --> 00:33:39.150
We were at an event where you were doing that

00:33:39.150 --> 00:33:40.910
and it's the only time I've had to walk away

00:33:40.910 --> 00:33:42.630
and not watch one of your scenes. It's impressive.

00:33:42.890 --> 00:33:44.730
I love it for you, but I'm not going to look

00:33:44.730 --> 00:33:46.930
at that. You're getting into actual medieval

00:33:46.930 --> 00:33:50.170
torture. It's quite interesting. I don't know

00:33:50.170 --> 00:33:54.430
where we go from there. I did it actually for

00:33:54.430 --> 00:33:57.930
what we call our pay -niversary scene, so the

00:33:57.930 --> 00:34:00.750
one year anniversary playing we did it. It was

00:34:00.750 --> 00:34:03.529
some relatively small needles under the fingernails.

00:34:05.100 --> 00:34:06.579
When they're going under your fingernails, there's

00:34:06.579 --> 00:34:09.219
no such thing as a small needle, okay? The tiniest

00:34:09.219 --> 00:34:11.659
needles, these are about 23. I actually think

00:34:11.659 --> 00:34:13.840
they're 23, 24. They're not even tiny. For context

00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:15.940
with needles, the bigger the number, the smaller

00:34:15.940 --> 00:34:19.880
the needle. It's gauge. See, I think about 22,

00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:22.119
23 gauge I was putting under her nails. And then

00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:25.440
I did some 18 gauge, I believe, which is quite

00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:29.800
a bit larger, in the back of her hand, kind of

00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:32.099
crossing the back of her hand, kind of weaving

00:34:32.099 --> 00:34:35.110
in and out. I did hit a vein. We did get more

00:34:35.110 --> 00:34:39.030
blood than we wanted. It stopped bleeding. It

00:34:39.030 --> 00:34:41.769
was fine. It was never in danger in that sense.

00:34:42.989 --> 00:34:47.309
As long as they stop bleeding, it's fine. Stay

00:34:47.309 --> 00:34:50.510
away from the arteries. Even in the hands, the

00:34:50.510 --> 00:34:52.750
arteries would be hard to hit by mistake, wouldn't

00:34:52.750 --> 00:34:55.289
they, if they ran a fair bit deeper? My experience

00:34:55.289 --> 00:34:57.230
with sharps is not so much from sharps play,

00:34:57.329 --> 00:34:59.849
it's from heroin addiction. But I know that it's

00:34:59.849 --> 00:35:01.369
quite easy to find the veins in your hands, but

00:35:01.369 --> 00:35:03.599
not... Yeah, and obviously this was sort of the

00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:05.639
loose, relatively loose skin on the back of the

00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:07.500
hand. Yeah. This wasn't the palm or anything

00:35:07.500 --> 00:35:09.699
like that. So yeah, that's just something I think

00:35:09.699 --> 00:35:14.739
I've done with needles. Yes, we've done needles

00:35:14.739 --> 00:35:18.679
in the gums. It's quite an interesting one. We've

00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:22.420
done that a couple of times. Wow. I always obviously

00:35:22.420 --> 00:35:24.420
like to do, as you should, the most research

00:35:24.420 --> 00:35:28.010
I can on risks and things like that. I could

00:35:28.010 --> 00:35:30.650
not find any record of anyone doing gum needles

00:35:30.650 --> 00:35:33.469
in a King context, in a BDSM context. Wow. At

00:35:33.469 --> 00:35:37.070
all. Not seeing it out there. Yeah, yeah. FetLife

00:35:37.070 --> 00:35:40.150
search engine is not very good. Yeah. I tried

00:35:40.150 --> 00:35:42.530
it when I could. I actually ended up looking

00:35:42.530 --> 00:35:45.730
up actual dental manuals. Right. To find where

00:35:45.730 --> 00:35:48.090
the nerves were, where it was going to hit. And

00:35:48.090 --> 00:35:51.190
basically, we're going, again, relatively thin

00:35:51.190 --> 00:35:54.670
needles, kind of right down between the teeth,

00:35:54.690 --> 00:35:56.230
basically. So not hitting any nerves, but still.

00:35:56.769 --> 00:35:58.949
Very, very, very, very painful as far as I understand.

00:35:59.110 --> 00:36:02.750
I haven't tried it myself, but very, very painful

00:36:02.750 --> 00:36:05.289
as far as I understand. And hairline has been

00:36:05.289 --> 00:36:07.090
one we've done recently, which is quite good.

00:36:07.150 --> 00:36:10.969
It's literally kind of going in from the front

00:36:10.969 --> 00:36:15.510
at the hairline, kind of lying flat against the

00:36:15.510 --> 00:36:18.010
scalp. So not coming back out the other end,

00:36:18.110 --> 00:36:20.010
kind of putting them in and lying against the

00:36:20.010 --> 00:36:24.690
scalp. It is very painful. Bleeds a lot, but...

00:36:24.829 --> 00:36:27.789
Also stops bleeding quite quickly and heals very

00:36:27.789 --> 00:36:29.809
easily. It's actually very good. If you want

00:36:29.809 --> 00:36:32.030
really sadistic needles with a lot of blood,

00:36:32.150 --> 00:36:33.789
hairline is a good place to do it. I've seen

00:36:33.789 --> 00:36:35.389
quite a few pictures of people who do hairline

00:36:35.389 --> 00:36:37.409
needles. There's a few people I follow on FetLife

00:36:37.409 --> 00:36:39.829
who do that. And the amount of blood you get

00:36:39.829 --> 00:36:42.230
for relatively few needles, sometimes relatively

00:36:42.230 --> 00:36:45.949
small needles, is just mind -blowing. It's very

00:36:45.949 --> 00:36:48.170
cool for pictures. It's what the wrestlers used

00:36:48.170 --> 00:36:50.610
to do. When the wrestlers would bleed, they would

00:36:50.610 --> 00:36:54.760
cut the hairline because it comes down. Yeah,

00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:56.300
yeah. And obviously if you're already sweaty,

00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:57.659
it mixes with that and you get a big mask of

00:36:57.659 --> 00:36:59.840
it. It's a good way to get a lot of blood from

00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:04.659
a relatively minor sort of cut. Good place. So

00:37:04.659 --> 00:37:07.039
yes, we enjoy those. Marty wants to do some sort

00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:09.619
of crown of thorns thing with needles pointing

00:37:09.619 --> 00:37:11.900
at different angles and I kind of haven't quite

00:37:11.900 --> 00:37:13.860
worked out the logistics yet, but we'll see what

00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:16.420
happens with that. I don't want to tell a no.

00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:21.360
We'll find a way. We find a way to do it. Love

00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:24.929
finds a way. It's the... The vibe that there

00:37:24.929 --> 00:37:27.769
is with you and Motti really backs up this sort

00:37:27.769 --> 00:37:29.849
of theory that the perception of kink from the

00:37:29.849 --> 00:37:32.110
outside is always it's these dominants and sadists

00:37:32.110 --> 00:37:34.730
who are inflicting all these horrors on these

00:37:34.730 --> 00:37:36.690
sort of weak -willed subs being like, oh, I guess

00:37:36.690 --> 00:37:39.150
I'll go along with it. Where the reality is that

00:37:39.150 --> 00:37:43.489
most bottoms are just feral, coming up with the

00:37:43.489 --> 00:37:46.710
most unhinged ideas possible. And the sadists

00:37:46.710 --> 00:37:48.329
and dominants and tops are just kind of there

00:37:48.329 --> 00:37:51.090
like, I guess we could do that if you're sure.

00:37:51.110 --> 00:37:55.139
I am more of the ideas guy. But again, a lot

00:37:55.139 --> 00:37:56.380
of the time, it's something I'll say in jest.

00:37:56.739 --> 00:38:00.619
Yeah. Like once, the first scalpel scene we did,

00:38:00.699 --> 00:38:02.719
I cut the word punching bag into her stomach.

00:38:03.019 --> 00:38:04.559
Yes. And that was originally something I'd said

00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:06.460
to her as a joke. And it was like, I'm supposed

00:38:06.460 --> 00:38:08.760
to do it. I want you to do that. And it was probably

00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:13.019
from me saying that, it was probably two months

00:38:13.019 --> 00:38:15.619
of me at least once a week saying, are you sure

00:38:15.619 --> 00:38:16.519
you want to go through with this? You understand?

00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:19.360
Yeah. I'm not planning to scar you with this.

00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:21.260
It should heal, but we can never guarantee it

00:38:21.260 --> 00:38:23.980
will be permanent. Yeah. Are you sure you're

00:38:23.980 --> 00:38:26.159
happy walking along with that on you? Yeah. And

00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:29.860
it was a repeated enthusiastic yes. Yeah, yeah.

00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:32.199
And as it turns out, we've actually ended up

00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:34.099
going over it since then. So you weren't sure.

00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:36.539
I mean, I don't think we're going over it again.

00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:39.880
It is starting to fade now. Right. Yes, so it

00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:42.320
was certainly something I just wanted to do.

00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:44.619
But yes, there's a lot of that. And yeah, it's

00:38:44.619 --> 00:38:46.860
a beautiful collaboration that we have. Mm -hmm.

00:38:47.260 --> 00:38:50.719
And I do have things that she says no to. And

00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.699
it's kind of crazy because I'm like, oh, my God,

00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:56.059
so you are actually enthusiastic to say yes to

00:38:56.059 --> 00:38:58.039
the horrible shit I do to you. It's very wild.

00:38:58.099 --> 00:39:00.360
I'm like, oh, wow, yeah. So, I mean, I never

00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:03.199
thought I was coercing her in any way. But, you

00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:05.739
know, there's always a concern of like, is she

00:39:05.739 --> 00:39:07.800
really wanting to do this? Are they trying to

00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:11.260
impress me? I don't think I'm manipulating her

00:39:11.260 --> 00:39:13.099
in any way. It's just a case of, you know, is

00:39:13.099 --> 00:39:16.340
this a sort of a... a proxy self -harm thing

00:39:16.340 --> 00:39:19.460
is this a yeah yeah is it just a wanting to impress

00:39:19.460 --> 00:39:22.019
me or not knowing and then when you and this

00:39:22.019 --> 00:39:23.559
is something we had to build up to a lot of you

00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:25.679
say okay actually no like this is actually like

00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:28.059
something someone really really wants to be doing

00:39:28.059 --> 00:39:30.019
with me yeah and really wants me wants me having

00:39:30.019 --> 00:39:31.539
done it and it's beautiful it's wonderful yeah

00:39:31.539 --> 00:39:36.400
um and she's an absolute fantastic angel I think

00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:38.360
it was always really reassuring when people are

00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:40.960
able to verbalise boundaries in that way. The

00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:43.480
first kinky relationship that I was in, before

00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:47.119
my last relationship, it took quite a while.

00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:50.079
I was very, very new to kink, but already quite

00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:52.099
a lot more masochistic than this person really

00:39:52.099 --> 00:39:54.260
knew how to handle. And it took a couple of months

00:39:54.260 --> 00:39:56.760
of playing regularly before we ever reached a

00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:59.030
point where I would... like felt the need to

00:39:59.030 --> 00:40:00.769
use a safe word or say that i needed to slow

00:40:00.769 --> 00:40:03.070
down and i remember that they found that really

00:40:03.070 --> 00:40:05.170
reassuring the first time that happened yes like

00:40:05.170 --> 00:40:07.150
oh good good you haven't just been taking this

00:40:07.150 --> 00:40:08.570
to please me and because you don't know how to

00:40:08.570 --> 00:40:10.670
set a boundary like it's just it's been within

00:40:10.670 --> 00:40:12.210
your comfort zone until now and i think they

00:40:12.210 --> 00:40:15.409
were very reassured by that yeah and we did meanwhile

00:40:15.409 --> 00:40:16.849
you have a sort there was a sort of an experience

00:40:16.849 --> 00:40:19.369
mismatching that although she'd been on the king

00:40:19.369 --> 00:40:21.110
scene for a long time she'd never done any sharps

00:40:21.110 --> 00:40:24.670
before yeah um but she talked to it like like

00:40:24.670 --> 00:40:27.639
dr water It's great. It's very impressive, the

00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:29.579
stuff that you two do. It's beautiful. It's one

00:40:29.579 --> 00:40:31.480
of those areas of kink where I would like to

00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:33.400
explore a little bit more of sharps, but I already

00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:35.699
know I will never be doing the stuff you two

00:40:35.699 --> 00:40:37.920
do, and I don't need to. I think that's one of

00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:39.280
the great things in kink is when you learn to

00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:42.000
let go of this need to try to compete or be like,

00:40:42.059 --> 00:40:44.079
oh, I'm the hardest at this. I know I will never

00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:45.880
do the stuff that you two do, and I'm very happy

00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:47.880
to just watch it from a few feet away. Yes, but

00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:49.679
there are people certainly on Fairlife who I

00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:51.260
feel that about. It's always good to have that

00:40:51.260 --> 00:40:53.300
person. Yeah. It's always good to have someone

00:40:53.300 --> 00:40:54.579
that way. You can just be like, I'll never do

00:40:54.579 --> 00:40:56.630
that. Yeah. But I'm kind of on the same thing

00:40:56.630 --> 00:40:59.750
with you guys with your DS stuff, which is, I

00:40:59.750 --> 00:41:02.210
mean, I'm not in a, I'm not doing any really

00:41:02.210 --> 00:41:05.309
active DS at the moment. It's not, it's not my

00:41:05.309 --> 00:41:07.150
side of things generally. Yeah. But it's also

00:41:07.150 --> 00:41:08.849
just like, okay, cool. There's a thing out here

00:41:08.849 --> 00:41:11.650
that I don't, I don't have to compete with or

00:41:11.650 --> 00:41:12.789
I don't even have to do, which just makes you

00:41:12.789 --> 00:41:14.170
know that like, yeah, there's always someone

00:41:14.170 --> 00:41:16.949
out there doing what you would say. And it's,

00:41:17.030 --> 00:41:19.489
there's never, it's how I was saying about, you

00:41:19.489 --> 00:41:22.070
know, the, the, the ministries table of kind

00:41:22.070 --> 00:41:24.239
of thing of like, you know, we're always, you're

00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:25.519
always going to be more extreme than them on

00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:26.460
that, but they're going to be more extreme than

00:41:26.460 --> 00:41:28.559
you on that. Even if you do have a competition,

00:41:28.579 --> 00:41:30.239
you're never going to get it all the way. It's

00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:33.199
not the point, but it's nice to sit there and

00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:34.619
say, oh, it's not a competition. It's like, well,

00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:38.000
of course it isn't, but we all have that urge.

00:41:38.059 --> 00:41:40.000
We all have that internalised view. It's a normal

00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.820
thing to do. But it's nice to be able to say,

00:41:42.900 --> 00:41:44.920
okay, I'm not going to be able to do that. Although

00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:47.579
you do sometimes say, don't you, kink isn't a

00:41:47.579 --> 00:41:49.940
competition unless I'm winning. Well, yes, obviously

00:41:49.940 --> 00:41:53.710
when I'm winning it is. There's a thing of competition

00:41:53.710 --> 00:41:55.929
with yourself and seeing how far you can push

00:41:55.929 --> 00:41:59.449
yourself and what you do. Certainly, we always

00:41:59.449 --> 00:42:02.349
like to try and try new things and see what we

00:42:02.349 --> 00:42:04.949
can do. Although we're intruding on your territory,

00:42:05.090 --> 00:42:07.730
because we're starting to look at burning stuff.

00:42:08.230 --> 00:42:11.210
I encourage this. We need more people doing burning.

00:42:11.449 --> 00:42:15.610
Yes, definitely. Good fun. Yes, I did find myself

00:42:15.610 --> 00:42:19.139
Googling the other day. Will a beauty and torch

00:42:19.139 --> 00:42:22.579
set off a fire alarm? Did you find out the answer?

00:42:22.940 --> 00:42:26.360
It shouldn't. It shouldn't. Unless it catches

00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:32.550
hair. Oh, yes, the plan is to apply it to skin.

00:42:33.190 --> 00:42:35.670
Not for any great length of time, but, you know,

00:42:35.710 --> 00:42:37.449
kind of. I'll be interesting to find out how

00:42:37.449 --> 00:42:40.469
she does with that. I've not used a blowtorch,

00:42:40.469 --> 00:42:42.929
but I have had a lighter, like, directly with

00:42:42.929 --> 00:42:45.190
flame applied to my skin, and I really like burns,

00:42:45.269 --> 00:42:46.929
but I found that rough. Yeah, I think we're going

00:42:46.929 --> 00:42:49.090
to try that as well first. It's kind of, yeah.

00:42:49.949 --> 00:42:53.230
I know she's had cigarette burns. Yeah. But,

00:42:53.429 --> 00:42:55.010
yeah, we're going to try a little lighter, but

00:42:55.010 --> 00:42:58.570
the blowtorch is as much for the dick as the

00:42:58.570 --> 00:43:01.849
actual pain. I don't necessarily intend to be...

00:43:01.849 --> 00:43:03.989
I don't want to be causing great third -degree

00:43:03.989 --> 00:43:05.070
burns. I don't want to be holding on for a great

00:43:05.070 --> 00:43:08.090
length of time. But being able to have a nice

00:43:08.090 --> 00:43:15.590
blue flame as well. A lovely blue flame. We'll

00:43:15.590 --> 00:43:17.130
see if that actually happens. I don't want to

00:43:17.130 --> 00:43:22.050
commit to that happening. We'll see. How do you

00:43:22.050 --> 00:43:25.750
learn this stuff? Stuff you've been describing

00:43:25.750 --> 00:43:29.389
there about using a butane torch and stuff like

00:43:29.389 --> 00:43:31.369
that. I can't imagine there are many resources

00:43:31.369 --> 00:43:34.170
about how to do that safely. So how have you

00:43:34.170 --> 00:43:36.469
learned the skills that you've got in sharps

00:43:36.469 --> 00:43:38.210
play? Yeah, well, I mean, I certainly haven't

00:43:38.210 --> 00:43:39.349
for a butane torch. I don't think there are ways

00:43:39.349 --> 00:43:42.010
of doing it safely. So it's kind of just be quick.

00:43:43.750 --> 00:43:46.369
There are a lot more resources online now than

00:43:46.369 --> 00:43:48.329
there were when I first downloaded the sharps

00:43:48.329 --> 00:43:55.909
play. When I first did needles and things, and

00:43:55.909 --> 00:43:59.849
putting aside the knife play stuff, which was

00:43:59.849 --> 00:44:02.210
literally just cutting one another with a knife

00:44:02.210 --> 00:44:06.730
without any real regard for aseptic technique

00:44:06.730 --> 00:44:10.530
or wound care or anything like that, that's not

00:44:10.530 --> 00:44:13.730
something I'd like to really talk about as being

00:44:13.730 --> 00:44:16.909
worth learning from, other than as a negative

00:44:16.909 --> 00:44:20.730
example. Many years ago now, when I first did

00:44:20.730 --> 00:44:22.710
any sort of needle play with it, I don't think

00:44:22.710 --> 00:44:25.369
we even found any or many King -specific resources.

00:44:25.949 --> 00:44:28.349
Right. It was, I think we'd heard, we may have

00:44:28.349 --> 00:44:30.409
even seen photos of people, people have done

00:44:30.409 --> 00:44:33.429
needle play. I must say, yeah, my long -term

00:44:33.429 --> 00:44:35.909
memory isn't the best. And you are talking, you

00:44:35.909 --> 00:44:40.369
know, 12 years ago at least here. Yeah. I think

00:44:40.369 --> 00:44:42.170
we actually just looked at the medical stuff

00:44:42.170 --> 00:44:46.590
of how do you give an injection? And we just

00:44:46.590 --> 00:44:48.190
figured, well, it's going to be pretty similar

00:44:48.190 --> 00:44:51.090
if you're putting it... If you've got to clean

00:44:51.090 --> 00:44:52.429
that bit of skin, I assume you've got to clean

00:44:52.429 --> 00:44:53.369
the bit where it's coming out the other end.

00:44:53.710 --> 00:44:56.710
Yeah. And we were right. I mean, it's fine. We

00:44:56.710 --> 00:45:00.210
worked it out. But yeah, I mean, nowadays there

00:45:00.210 --> 00:45:02.269
are so many great resources all over FET. There

00:45:02.269 --> 00:45:05.030
are even standalone kink education, even relatively

00:45:05.030 --> 00:45:08.070
mainstream kink education resources I see. Yeah.

00:45:08.170 --> 00:45:10.449
Usually have a bit about, certainly it's about

00:45:10.449 --> 00:45:13.510
needle play. Yeah. About the basics of your aseptic

00:45:13.510 --> 00:45:16.829
technique and how best to do things. yeah it's

00:45:16.829 --> 00:45:18.610
one of those kinks that almost has just a little

00:45:18.610 --> 00:45:20.429
bit of crossover into the mainstream because

00:45:20.429 --> 00:45:23.030
of piercers doing like artistic play piercing

00:45:23.030 --> 00:45:26.150
for photo shoots that was where i first sort

00:45:26.150 --> 00:45:27.750
of encountered it was when i was getting a lot

00:45:27.750 --> 00:45:29.769
of body modification done yes i knew a lot of

00:45:29.769 --> 00:45:31.869
people who had had a play piercing yeah done

00:45:31.869 --> 00:45:34.110
by a professional piercer for a photo shoot and

00:45:34.110 --> 00:45:36.530
it wasn't in a kink context but technique and

00:45:36.530 --> 00:45:39.230
knowledge wise it tends to be very similar yeah

00:45:39.230 --> 00:45:41.250
yeah because it's also the kind of thing that's

00:45:41.250 --> 00:45:44.449
hard to practice without doing it on a person,

00:45:44.489 --> 00:45:46.610
I suppose, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, you can get

00:45:46.610 --> 00:45:47.949
the suture practice kits, which have a little

00:45:47.949 --> 00:45:50.429
bit of artificial skin. Right. I've never got

00:45:50.429 --> 00:45:52.409
one. Right. But you can get them for, and they're

00:45:52.409 --> 00:45:55.309
done for, yeah, for learning the suture wounds,

00:45:55.469 --> 00:45:57.550
sort of needle thread, which is not something

00:45:57.550 --> 00:46:01.889
I've done yet. That is a yet, I imagine. So you

00:46:01.889 --> 00:46:05.289
can do that. But yeah, I mean, I always just

00:46:05.289 --> 00:46:07.949
practice on myself. And it's one of the things,

00:46:08.030 --> 00:46:12.960
it's not. It's not that complicated if you're

00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:16.019
doing, unless you're making it complicated. Yeah.

00:46:16.420 --> 00:46:20.500
It's quite easy to, it's quite self -explanatory.

00:46:20.539 --> 00:46:23.099
You put the needle through the skin and then

00:46:23.099 --> 00:46:24.579
it comes back out the other end. You just have

00:46:24.579 --> 00:46:26.360
to know the stuff around it of like, where are

00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:29.659
the needles? Well, you get single use sterile

00:46:29.659 --> 00:46:33.820
medical needles and then it's, okay, how do I

00:46:33.820 --> 00:46:38.070
keep? How do I keep my area as aseptic as possible?

00:46:38.869 --> 00:46:41.989
Never going to completely happen. We're not in

00:46:41.989 --> 00:46:47.269
a medical setting here. My hygiene and aseptic

00:46:47.269 --> 00:46:49.610
technique when I'm playing could stand to be

00:46:49.610 --> 00:46:55.690
better. It's something I do try to improve. Again,

00:46:55.769 --> 00:46:57.809
it's a risk thing. I'm not saying that what I

00:46:57.809 --> 00:47:00.429
do is, when I do it at the moment, is unsafe

00:47:00.429 --> 00:47:03.090
in that sense. It's just that you can always...

00:47:03.469 --> 00:47:05.789
It's always better to do as best you can. And

00:47:05.789 --> 00:47:09.409
then, yeah, get your clorhexidine wipes, wipe

00:47:09.409 --> 00:47:12.210
the area down, your body area down, and then

00:47:12.210 --> 00:47:14.389
get your clean gauze to clean up. And then if

00:47:14.389 --> 00:47:17.329
you are having to dress the wound, get proper

00:47:17.329 --> 00:47:23.389
wound dressings. And I'm not first aid formally

00:47:23.389 --> 00:47:26.989
trained, but I know the bits of first aid that

00:47:26.989 --> 00:47:30.409
apply to what I do. I don't have a certificate,

00:47:30.590 --> 00:47:33.780
but I do know what to do. Yeah, just know what

00:47:33.780 --> 00:47:37.780
to do in any eventuality. I think everyone's

00:47:37.780 --> 00:47:39.360
risk profile with this stuff is going to be different

00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:41.780
and some people would maybe only want to do this

00:47:41.780 --> 00:47:43.780
kind of play with someone who had formal medical

00:47:43.780 --> 00:47:46.079
training. And then some people will quite happily

00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:48.239
just buy some needles and take a crack at it

00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:49.860
without doing any research, which I would not

00:47:49.860 --> 00:47:52.039
advocate for. Most people are going to be somewhere

00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:54.400
between those two points. Definitely if they

00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:55.679
buy some needles and take a crack at it, but

00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:59.039
do a bit of research first. If you understand

00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:04.750
the... the principles of of of maintaining in

00:48:04.750 --> 00:48:07.230
it as as as a septic environment as you can yeah

00:48:07.230 --> 00:48:09.349
yeah you just you kind of do that yeah but um

00:48:09.349 --> 00:48:13.849
yeah i have a very i have what will feel like

00:48:13.849 --> 00:48:17.230
a very silly question to ask is is obviously

00:48:17.230 --> 00:48:19.210
a lot of all of sharps is about breaking the

00:48:19.210 --> 00:48:23.190
skin getting getting inside the skin is it possible

00:48:23.190 --> 00:48:28.010
to be into that sort of play if you're not keen

00:48:28.010 --> 00:48:31.070
on the idea of seeing a lot of blood or being

00:48:31.070 --> 00:48:35.730
scarred? It depends on the level of not being

00:48:35.730 --> 00:48:40.829
keen on. Yeah. Because there are absolutely forms

00:48:40.829 --> 00:48:43.610
of sharp stuff you can do where you are unlikely

00:48:43.610 --> 00:48:46.409
to see significant blood, that you will not see

00:48:46.409 --> 00:48:48.389
a scar, but there's always the possibility you

00:48:48.389 --> 00:48:51.449
will. Yeah. So if you have a phobia of seeing,

00:48:51.670 --> 00:48:53.489
if you're someone who will faint at the sight

00:48:53.489 --> 00:48:56.110
of blood, you probably shouldn't be a sharp star.

00:48:56.799 --> 00:48:59.340
You can be a sharp spotter and look away. You

00:48:59.340 --> 00:49:04.559
probably shouldn't. It's sort of like we can

00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:07.719
be disgusting on this podcast. It's like if you're

00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:10.800
going to get into anal play and you're going

00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:13.039
to absolutely freak out and lose your mind if

00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:15.480
some shit shows up. You know what I mean? At

00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:19.340
the end of the day, I always say you're intruding

00:49:19.340 --> 00:49:20.980
on poop's domain. Poop is not intruding on your

00:49:20.980 --> 00:49:23.260
domain. If you're doing chopstick, you're intruding

00:49:23.260 --> 00:49:25.250
on blood's domain. You've got to be at least

00:49:25.250 --> 00:49:29.730
able to handle it if blood shows up. Scoring,

00:49:29.849 --> 00:49:33.829
you can absolutely almost certainly avoid, especially

00:49:33.829 --> 00:49:36.309
if you're doing things like staples. If you put

00:49:36.309 --> 00:49:41.730
a staple in the top of your arm or your top of

00:49:41.730 --> 00:49:45.550
your thigh, one of the very fleshy areas, you're

00:49:45.550 --> 00:49:49.889
probably not going to see any blood beyond the

00:49:49.889 --> 00:49:55.889
tiniest spot they can wipe off. Unless you're

00:49:55.889 --> 00:49:57.929
someone who is extremely medically prone to scarring,

00:49:57.949 --> 00:50:01.769
you're not going to scar from it. It's finding

00:50:01.769 --> 00:50:05.510
that level. There are people for whom blood and

00:50:05.510 --> 00:50:08.530
even scars is the point. I am often one of those

00:50:08.530 --> 00:50:11.230
people. Marty is certainly one of those people,

00:50:11.250 --> 00:50:13.050
especially when it comes to scars. She loves

00:50:13.050 --> 00:50:15.530
being marked. It's a big part of what... how

00:50:15.530 --> 00:50:17.309
she, I'm not going to speak for her, but how

00:50:17.309 --> 00:50:18.809
she operates in these things, you know, it's

00:50:18.809 --> 00:50:20.369
a big part of it, is bearing the marks of the

00:50:20.369 --> 00:50:23.530
thing, of what's happened, the souvenir, and

00:50:23.530 --> 00:50:27.130
kind of living with the scar, and that's part

00:50:27.130 --> 00:50:28.949
of why we took the scalpels so well, because

00:50:28.949 --> 00:50:33.369
that is leaving a mark that will, that will remain,

00:50:33.469 --> 00:50:35.489
and will change over time, and you kind of have

00:50:35.489 --> 00:50:39.789
something there. So if you love blood and scars,

00:50:40.010 --> 00:50:44.010
absolutely get the shots played. I'd say, yeah,

00:50:44.050 --> 00:50:46.179
unless it's, Something that's going to be absolutely

00:50:46.179 --> 00:50:48.539
debilitating to the point where you cannot do

00:50:48.539 --> 00:50:51.519
a scene safely. Yeah. If you still want to experience

00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:53.139
sharp spray, there are absolutely ways of doing

00:50:53.139 --> 00:50:55.000
it. And that is basically, if you do needles,

00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:58.539
use the highest gauge needle you can, the smallest

00:50:58.539 --> 00:51:00.460
needle you can. Stay relatively close to the

00:51:00.460 --> 00:51:02.679
surface. I found a sort of, I don't know if this

00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:05.239
is truly scientific, but there tends to be a

00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:07.760
bit of a trade -off with needles where the closer

00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:09.500
you stay to the surface, the more it's going

00:51:09.500 --> 00:51:12.340
to hurt. Right. But there's less blood. Yeah.

00:51:12.420 --> 00:51:13.860
I guess if you're getting more of the needle

00:51:13.860 --> 00:51:15.889
in contact with nerve endings. Yeah. Whereas

00:51:15.889 --> 00:51:18.489
if you go in deeper, you're going past and then

00:51:18.489 --> 00:51:20.849
back through. But you'll get a bit less paper,

00:51:20.849 --> 00:51:22.730
a bit more blood if you're going deeper. Right.

00:51:22.969 --> 00:51:24.929
And when I say deeper here, we're talking millimetres,

00:51:24.929 --> 00:51:26.409
we're not, you know. Yeah, yeah. It's not digging

00:51:26.409 --> 00:51:29.190
it. But that does seem, in my experience, that

00:51:29.190 --> 00:51:30.989
tends to be the sort of trade -off. Right. So

00:51:30.989 --> 00:51:32.949
yeah, if you're wanting sensation and avoiding

00:51:32.949 --> 00:51:35.949
blood, stay close to the surface. Yeah. That

00:51:35.949 --> 00:51:37.530
makes so much sense because it's similar to the

00:51:37.530 --> 00:51:41.360
balance with burns where the... Great, the thickness

00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:43.440
of the burn, the less pain you get, but the more

00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:44.920
scarring you get and the more tissue damage.

00:51:46.099 --> 00:51:48.519
So yeah, first and second degree burns are incredibly

00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:50.679
painful. Third degree burns are almost completely

00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:52.900
painless, but they make a real mess of your skin.

00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:56.880
And it seems like you have a similar approach

00:51:56.880 --> 00:52:02.440
to Motti in terms of liking the marks of some

00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:04.980
of the stuff that you've said before. You've

00:52:04.980 --> 00:52:07.119
got cigarette burn scars and all sorts of different

00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:08.840
scars all over your body and they're kind of...

00:52:09.380 --> 00:52:12.960
evidence of evidence of a life lived yeah definitely

00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:14.960
and i feel that way about scars from play but

00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:18.019
also just scars in general the scars i have from

00:52:18.019 --> 00:52:19.539
things i would have preferred not to experience

00:52:19.539 --> 00:52:23.650
i i have a quite far ago now a history of self

00:52:23.650 --> 00:52:25.469
-harm i would rather not have the scars from

00:52:25.469 --> 00:52:28.030
that but i do um well no i wouldn't say i'd rather

00:52:28.030 --> 00:52:29.449
not have the scars i'd rather not have had the

00:52:29.449 --> 00:52:31.090
experience but i don't have a bad relationship

00:52:31.090 --> 00:52:32.889
with the scars because that's part of my history

00:52:32.889 --> 00:52:35.650
i have a lot of scarring on my legs and my sides

00:52:35.650 --> 00:52:37.389
from a really bad skin infection i had like a

00:52:37.389 --> 00:52:39.750
really really severe skin infection i would have

00:52:39.750 --> 00:52:41.829
much rather not gone through that but the scars

00:52:41.829 --> 00:52:44.530
are just part of my history so i tend to have

00:52:44.530 --> 00:52:46.190
a pretty positive outlook on scars but when it

00:52:46.190 --> 00:52:48.230
comes to scars from play i actively want them

00:52:48.230 --> 00:52:50.739
yeah it's like i want the proof And I think especially

00:52:50.739 --> 00:52:52.539
because I don't really breathe. However hard

00:52:52.539 --> 00:52:55.260
you hit me, I don't really breathe. A cigarette

00:52:55.260 --> 00:52:58.000
burn will give me a mark. Yes, yeah. I should

00:52:58.000 --> 00:52:59.980
say, I'm saying scars here. I think I shouldn't

00:52:59.980 --> 00:53:02.039
speak for Monty. I think it's more marks. It's

00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:03.559
like she likes being marked. Yeah, that's fair.

00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:05.340
But it's also the thing of the way it's upchanged.

00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:07.099
We have this thing of, with the scalpel play,

00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:09.380
I always quote renewing the vows. Right. Well,

00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:11.059
you know, you do a cutting and then after a few

00:53:11.059 --> 00:53:13.519
months it starts to fade. Yeah. So if you want

00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:15.739
to then go over it again. Yeah. So we have a,

00:53:15.739 --> 00:53:18.880
there's a cutting on Monty's sternum, which is

00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:21.840
of a moth. Right, yes. Because moth is apparently

00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:24.000
the old Norse word for moth, but that's where

00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:28.219
her name comes from. So I'm originally from Stansted,

00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:30.139
but yeah, it's sort of an outline of a moth.

00:53:30.460 --> 00:53:32.400
Yeah. And then, I think I've gone over that three

00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:34.360
times now, it just sort of fades and kind of

00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:36.880
then, and then you can, as things fade, you can

00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:38.619
decide whether you want to renew them or whether

00:53:38.619 --> 00:53:39.840
you want to go over them. It's kind of, it's

00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:42.920
a really, it's a beautiful sort of, especially

00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:46.000
with an ongoing dynamic. Yeah. It's really beautiful,

00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:47.340
I think. That's one of the things I love, it's

00:53:47.340 --> 00:53:48.800
like saying, you know, and having that discussion,

00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:52.519
you know, if I'm, If I'm with Monty, if I'm lying

00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:55.000
next to him, I can be like, see how these are

00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:57.139
healing and what do you want to do with them?

00:53:57.219 --> 00:53:58.880
Do you want to do something else? It's a really

00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:02.500
beautiful, quite intimate conversation to have.

00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:08.320
I think I remember, did you do them off in Leeds?

00:54:08.579 --> 00:54:11.260
We went over. That was the second going over.

00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:14.159
That was the first going over. The second game

00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:19.920
was done. It was originally done in a... A budget

00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:22.320
chain hotel room who's... I will not name the

00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:24.840
company. I get good prices from them and I don't

00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:26.760
want my account canceled. In case they recognize

00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:37.440
you when you turn up. What's your perspective

00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:43.039
on blood and scarring? I mean, I have a blood

00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:45.840
kink. I have a scar kink. I like blood. I like

00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:47.260
playing with blood. I like the taste of blood.

00:54:47.659 --> 00:54:50.400
Yeah. Obviously, that has its own risks. I'm

00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:52.599
not drinking pints of blood, but I will give

00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:55.659
it a little lick or whatever. It can theoretically

00:54:55.659 --> 00:54:59.239
be a vector for prion diseases, but obviously

00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:00.940
they're very rare, so the other person still

00:55:00.940 --> 00:55:06.119
has to have the prion. I wouldn't call myself

00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:09.539
a blood player to any great degree, so I really

00:55:09.539 --> 00:55:12.360
wouldn't feel qualified to discuss the full risk

00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:15.579
things for anything beyond having a little lick

00:55:15.579 --> 00:55:19.190
of blood. Yeah, I mean, I like blood. I like

00:55:19.190 --> 00:55:21.050
seeing blood and playing with blood. I like scars.

00:55:21.170 --> 00:55:23.349
Even if I have partners who are scarred, I like

00:55:23.349 --> 00:55:25.570
their scars. Yeah. How do you feel about it?

00:55:25.590 --> 00:55:28.230
Because I know you both top and bottom with a

00:55:28.230 --> 00:55:30.429
lot of this stuff. Do you feel the same way about

00:55:30.429 --> 00:55:31.909
scars on yourself as well? Are you pretty comfy

00:55:31.909 --> 00:55:35.570
with them? I mean, I've never... I've not bottomed

00:55:35.570 --> 00:55:38.550
for any sharps play in recent memory that would

00:55:38.550 --> 00:55:42.090
really lead to scars. Fair. I'd be open to it.

00:55:42.130 --> 00:55:44.610
I can't really, just because of the nature of...

00:55:44.989 --> 00:55:46.769
just for vanilla life things, I can't really

00:55:46.769 --> 00:55:48.610
have a lot of visible scars in various places.

00:55:48.849 --> 00:55:51.230
I wouldn't be opposed to it. I would like a million

00:55:51.230 --> 00:55:54.929
in the score. I still have knife play scars from

00:55:54.929 --> 00:56:00.010
about 2007. And I'm fine with them. Actually,

00:56:00.050 --> 00:56:01.570
another sort of historical thing I should have

00:56:01.570 --> 00:56:04.010
mentioned is I did do a bit of online solo play.

00:56:04.730 --> 00:56:06.530
There's also another way I did explore a bit

00:56:06.530 --> 00:56:10.429
shorter for that. After, I'm not sure what I

00:56:10.429 --> 00:56:12.369
had with that, but I did it with a kind of...

00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:15.840
Yeah, having kind of online things with someone

00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:18.119
and having them watch me do things and kind of

00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:20.480
tell me to do things, or guide me to do things.

00:56:20.739 --> 00:56:22.719
That was an interesting thing to play about with

00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:24.460
as well. Partly in a time in my life where I

00:56:24.460 --> 00:56:27.340
was not able to go out and meet people. So I

00:56:27.340 --> 00:56:30.139
was doing quite a bit of online kink stuff. Is

00:56:30.139 --> 00:56:31.619
there a stigma around online kink? I don't know.

00:56:31.699 --> 00:56:33.260
There probably shouldn't be. It's one of those

00:56:33.260 --> 00:56:35.559
things, isn't it? There probably is, but I can't

00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:39.139
quite work out why. If that's your chosen medium.

00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:43.739
Yeah. I don't know. No, like, it's not something

00:56:43.739 --> 00:56:45.500
I've ever experienced because I am very much

00:56:45.500 --> 00:56:48.860
an in -person person. The last time I had anything

00:56:48.860 --> 00:56:50.500
like a long -distance relationship was when I

00:56:50.500 --> 00:56:52.139
was a teenager and I struggled with it even then.

00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:55.360
I like a lot of very close quality time with

00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:57.400
a person, which is why me and Mix moved in together

00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:01.420
when we'd been dating for three months. So, yeah,

00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:03.719
that wouldn't be my style, but I think it's a

00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:05.280
really positive thing. I mean, I should say,

00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:07.460
it was never an online relationship in that sense,

00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:10.480
more like an online player partners thing. It

00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:12.099
was quite an interesting way to do things. I

00:57:12.099 --> 00:57:13.619
did that quite a bit over the years in various

00:57:13.619 --> 00:57:16.960
ways. When you're in a situation where you're

00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:19.519
not able to go out and meet people in the real

00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:22.119
world. It can be quite an interesting way of

00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:25.179
doing things. I suppose sharp split is a good

00:57:25.179 --> 00:57:27.900
thing for that one. It doesn't matter who put

00:57:27.900 --> 00:57:29.099
it there. When the needle's in your arm, you're

00:57:29.099 --> 00:57:30.699
going to feel it. It's a lot easier to do that

00:57:30.699 --> 00:57:32.440
than it is to whip yourself or spank yourself,

00:57:32.619 --> 00:57:38.039
I guess. In terms of angles. Do you get that

00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:41.199
thing when you do it to yourself, though? Does

00:57:41.199 --> 00:57:44.199
it feel different doing it to yourself as opposed

00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:48.099
to having it done to you? Yes. I mean, it becomes

00:57:48.099 --> 00:57:50.800
a lot more, if it's an actual solo play thing,

00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:53.239
I mean, most of the time it's more practice than

00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:55.079
solo play when I've done it myself. It's more,

00:57:55.099 --> 00:57:58.340
it's just kind of like, if it was like, you know,

00:57:58.340 --> 00:57:59.579
when I hadn't done it for a while, I was like,

00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:00.960
okay, I want to make sure I can still do this.

00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:03.260
Or if I've got a new gauge of needle, I want

00:58:03.260 --> 00:58:04.480
to just try it myself, make sure I know kind

00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:09.519
of what it's like. yeah, so it often has, it

00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:12.260
doesn't really have a, what's it like, a sexual

00:58:12.260 --> 00:58:16.079
dimension for like solo play. Yeah. But it does

00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:17.480
have a sort of, and you still get the sort of

00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:20.000
endorphin, you get the sheer mechanical endorphin

00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:22.579
rush of, you know, your body reacting to it.

00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:24.780
It's quite interesting to do, yeah. So yeah,

00:58:24.820 --> 00:58:26.460
I don't do a great, I don't do a great degree

00:58:26.460 --> 00:58:28.780
of actual solo play. Yeah. But you know, I do,

00:58:28.820 --> 00:58:30.820
I have practiced with, try things out myself.

00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:32.639
And obviously things in the past when I've done

00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:34.280
where I've been, it's been sort of with someone

00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:36.980
with a, someone watching or even instructing

00:58:36.980 --> 00:58:38.519
a kind of obviously that kind of you can you

00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:41.320
can you can get that kind of headspace going

00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:43.539
without it even if it's you physically doing

00:58:43.539 --> 00:58:45.880
it to yourself yeah um and of course there are

00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:49.579
there's a certain something about about making

00:58:49.579 --> 00:58:51.059
someone do something to themselves of course

00:58:51.059 --> 00:58:53.760
so yeah that is pretty making in quote marks

00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:57.639
there you know i'm not doing the sort of the

00:58:57.639 --> 00:59:03.860
uh the stop hitting yourself That's incredible.

00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:09.119
You mentioned that you haven't bottomed a lot

00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:14.340
for Sharps. Is that a preference? Do you generally

00:59:14.340 --> 00:59:16.019
prefer it from the top or has it been an opportunity

00:59:16.019 --> 00:59:18.519
or a little of both? A little bit of both. I

00:59:18.519 --> 00:59:21.280
mean, I should say I have bottomed for Sharps

00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:24.440
twice at events on the look community. Which,

00:59:24.500 --> 00:59:26.119
given that I've only been on the look scene for

00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:29.659
just over two years, isn't bad. But compared

00:59:29.659 --> 00:59:32.840
to... doing usually at least once in a month

00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:36.980
of topping. So yes, partly opportunity. Partly

00:59:36.980 --> 00:59:43.179
preference, as in the things I'm exploring are

00:59:43.179 --> 00:59:48.400
a product, partly a product of my own going down

00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:51.519
with Monty. That's just how things work with

00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:55.500
us. I'm excited about trying the new thing that

00:59:55.500 --> 00:59:57.780
I'm going to do rather than thinking of something

00:59:57.780 --> 01:00:00.119
that can get done to me. It's almost opportunity

01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:02.840
in a positive way. It's not that, it's less not

01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:04.679
having opportunities at the bottom. It's having

01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:05.980
so many opportunities at the top in a really

01:00:05.980 --> 01:00:07.800
wonderful way. That's just kind of where my focus

01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:10.300
has gone. That makes sense. Rather than anything

01:00:10.300 --> 01:00:14.440
else, yeah. And is that similar for other kinks

01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:16.519
with you as well where you tend to like things

01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:17.739
from both the top or the bottom or are there

01:00:17.739 --> 01:00:19.280
some things that really only fit in one box for

01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:25.500
you? I can't really think of anything that I

01:00:25.500 --> 01:00:29.210
don't at least have some, on both sides with.

01:00:29.409 --> 01:00:32.710
Yeah. Does Kingston exploring or starting to

01:00:32.710 --> 01:00:39.289
explore that... So, for instance, me and another

01:00:39.289 --> 01:00:42.210
play partner we're discussing and working towards

01:00:42.210 --> 01:00:45.309
doing some scat play. Yeah. That's something

01:00:45.309 --> 01:00:47.829
I'm comfortable trying a topping for. I don't

01:00:47.829 --> 01:00:49.389
think, although bottoming for that does appeal

01:00:49.389 --> 01:00:52.349
to me, and I get it, I find it exciting, I don't

01:00:52.349 --> 01:00:54.889
think I'm... I don't think I have the ability

01:00:54.889 --> 01:00:56.650
to necessarily try bottoming for it. So it's

01:00:56.650 --> 01:00:59.900
more... I think they're all, but it's more practicalities

01:00:59.900 --> 01:01:02.420
than desire for a lot of things. And there are

01:01:02.420 --> 01:01:05.880
kingside practices at the top that I can't do

01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:07.440
as a bottom, for instance. I sat with someone

01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:09.880
recently, which was, I mean, it was at their

01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:11.340
request and I thought, yeah, I'll give it a go.

01:01:11.340 --> 01:01:13.940
And I really enjoyed it. That's not something

01:01:13.940 --> 01:01:16.980
I could bottom for. Yeah. I can't really think

01:01:16.980 --> 01:01:18.800
of anything else where, everything else will

01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:22.219
be a matter of degree. Yeah. Like, you know,

01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:25.380
I can do something where I can't do it to the

01:01:25.380 --> 01:01:28.510
same extent that I can. Yeah. I'm always really

01:01:28.510 --> 01:01:32.429
interested when I talk to switches because my

01:01:32.429 --> 01:01:35.849
brain can't wrap its head around it. I'm not

01:01:35.849 --> 01:01:38.889
a switch at all, so I can't imagine doing most

01:01:38.889 --> 01:01:41.130
of the things I like done to me to someone else.

01:01:41.150 --> 01:01:42.989
I would just freak out. So it's really interesting

01:01:42.989 --> 01:01:45.389
to hear the different ways that manifests for

01:01:45.389 --> 01:01:47.809
people. Yeah, I mean, there's a few sides to

01:01:47.809 --> 01:01:49.570
it. I mean, there's certain things out there

01:01:49.570 --> 01:01:54.210
where it's almost like I don't mind which side

01:01:54.210 --> 01:01:57.949
of it I'm on. It's almost about creating... a

01:01:57.949 --> 01:02:02.210
scene as a creative act. Not in the sense that

01:02:02.210 --> 01:02:05.789
I'm detached from it, but it's more just like

01:02:05.789 --> 01:02:07.769
I want this thing to happen and I don't mind

01:02:07.769 --> 01:02:11.610
which part is me. I don't like the word switch,

01:02:11.730 --> 01:02:13.110
but that's just me being a pain in the arse.

01:02:13.809 --> 01:02:16.389
No, no, that's completely valid. Sorry. I don't

01:02:16.389 --> 01:02:19.789
mind the word switch. It's not that I'm offended

01:02:19.789 --> 01:02:21.909
or I reject the word switch. I don't like the

01:02:21.909 --> 01:02:24.210
binary nature of it, the idea that it is a switch.

01:02:24.469 --> 01:02:27.159
I think the... you know my topping informs my

01:02:27.159 --> 01:02:29.760
bottom which informs my topping it's yeah it's

01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:31.860
dialectical in some ways yeah that's why i don't

01:02:31.860 --> 01:02:33.619
actually i think i yeah i mean i just like that

01:02:33.619 --> 01:02:35.860
i actually i think on fat i have my identity

01:02:35.860 --> 01:02:39.039
just as pervert my role is perfect kind of kind

01:02:39.039 --> 01:02:42.460
of is what i'm going to do yeah um so yeah i

01:02:42.460 --> 01:02:44.019
like the sort of broad the broadness of that

01:02:44.019 --> 01:02:47.420
but i like the um and i like the idea that i

01:02:47.420 --> 01:02:49.619
sort of can form a network of connections with

01:02:49.619 --> 01:02:52.739
different people yeah in different ways You know,

01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:54.119
there are people that I switch with, there are

01:02:54.119 --> 01:02:55.420
people that I don't switch with. So, you know,

01:02:55.460 --> 01:02:59.739
Monty won't top me. Yeah. And obviously I have

01:02:59.739 --> 01:03:04.920
Natasha, who's Goddess Natasha, who is a... I'm

01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:07.719
a devotee or a worshipper of her, is how we say

01:03:07.719 --> 01:03:11.320
it. Right. But I don't... Other than maybe a

01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:13.340
couple of very limited service top things, you

01:03:13.340 --> 01:03:15.260
know, it's kind of a thing. But there are people

01:03:15.260 --> 01:03:17.940
that I can sort of switch with. Yeah. It doesn't...

01:03:17.940 --> 01:03:21.809
Yeah. For me, it's very much about... making

01:03:21.809 --> 01:03:24.610
a connection with a person and having whatever

01:03:24.610 --> 01:03:28.369
develops between us be its thing. So, yeah, it

01:03:28.369 --> 01:03:30.789
really depends on the person. But, yeah, so,

01:03:30.869 --> 01:03:35.090
you know, I have kind of various, yeah, various

01:03:35.090 --> 01:03:38.469
relations or relationships or dynamics or, yeah,

01:03:38.550 --> 01:03:41.489
just relations with people and let them develop

01:03:41.489 --> 01:03:44.230
as they are. Do you have a favourite kink from

01:03:44.230 --> 01:03:45.690
the top and a favourite kink from the bottom?

01:03:45.769 --> 01:03:49.530
Just being nosy. From the top probably is the...

01:03:51.469 --> 01:03:53.170
Probably sharps in the broadest sense, and particularly

01:03:53.170 --> 01:03:57.650
scalpels. I've not had a scalpel done on myself

01:03:57.650 --> 01:04:01.889
beyond a very small trial on myself. I've not

01:04:01.889 --> 01:04:04.889
bought one for that. I'm not averse to buying

01:04:04.889 --> 01:04:05.849
one for that, but I haven't bought one for that.

01:04:06.369 --> 01:04:13.469
But I love that position of... Not even the position

01:04:13.469 --> 01:04:15.170
of... I don't mean control over the person, I

01:04:15.170 --> 01:04:19.699
mean control over the very fine... focused attention

01:04:19.699 --> 01:04:21.400
to pay to someone and can have someone's canvas

01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:24.239
is beautiful for me for bottoming probably foot

01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:26.599
worship I mean I like having my feet worshipped

01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:30.219
I do it but for me when I top for foot stuff

01:04:30.219 --> 01:04:31.760
it's more of a degradation thing because I have

01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:35.179
really nasty feet and I cultivate really nasty

01:04:35.179 --> 01:04:40.179
feet I don't know if your listeners even want

01:04:40.179 --> 01:04:44.440
to hear about the infamous sock scene where so

01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:50.019
Star when I play with is An absolute beautiful

01:04:50.019 --> 01:04:53.440
degenerate little pig. Absolutely, absolutely

01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:57.460
wonderful. We did a scene where basically for

01:04:57.460 --> 01:05:02.139
the week, was it 10 days before the event, I

01:05:02.139 --> 01:05:05.039
wore the same pair of socks every day. And then

01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:07.800
for about three or four days beforehand, I started

01:05:07.800 --> 01:05:10.320
coming in one of the socks and wearing them.

01:05:11.019 --> 01:05:14.579
And it was unpleasant for me to wear that sock.

01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:19.369
At one point, I thought I was in very real danger

01:05:19.369 --> 01:05:23.369
of getting trench foot from my own club. Which

01:05:23.369 --> 01:05:27.289
would have been rough. Yes. And then we had a

01:05:27.289 --> 01:05:29.730
scene at... So this was an event at the local

01:05:29.730 --> 01:05:33.429
thing where we allow... Well, sexual play annuities

01:05:33.429 --> 01:05:35.550
are allowed throughout the venue. Yeah. So we

01:05:35.550 --> 01:05:36.929
basically were sat on the sofa in the social

01:05:36.929 --> 01:05:40.210
area as people were entering. And I had her lying

01:05:40.210 --> 01:05:42.489
on the floor naked, masturbating with my feet

01:05:42.489 --> 01:05:45.630
on her face. Sobbed feet on her face. And then

01:05:45.630 --> 01:05:49.900
I... And then she had to guess which sock was

01:05:49.900 --> 01:05:52.780
the one that had the cum. Right. And she guessed

01:05:52.780 --> 01:05:57.159
correctly. Excellent. Well done. For which she

01:05:57.159 --> 01:05:59.820
was not rewarded. Oh, no. She was punished for

01:05:59.820 --> 01:06:01.380
being a slut who recognises the smell of cum.

01:06:03.820 --> 01:06:05.380
And then she said, but I just chose which one

01:06:05.380 --> 01:06:09.519
smelled worse. So the trick was there was never

01:06:09.519 --> 01:06:11.340
going to be a reward there. It was always punishment.

01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:16.289
That's incredible. I kind of like... As a sort

01:06:16.289 --> 01:06:19.510
of body worship and degradation type top, which

01:06:19.510 --> 01:06:23.250
is like, I mean, this is a big tangent, but as

01:06:23.250 --> 01:06:26.849
a sort of fat person, as a fat and hairy man,

01:06:27.030 --> 01:06:32.969
as someone with a body that is not, doesn't adhere

01:06:32.969 --> 01:06:35.550
to sort of conventional beauty standards. I mean,

01:06:35.550 --> 01:06:37.869
a lot of people find me attractive. I know plenty

01:06:37.869 --> 01:06:39.789
of people find me attractive. I don't have issues

01:06:39.789 --> 01:06:46.539
around my body. Yeah. But I like... I like appealing

01:06:46.539 --> 01:06:50.139
to being monstrous. Yeah. I like the idea of

01:06:50.139 --> 01:06:53.179
being this sort of grotesque, stinking body and

01:06:53.179 --> 01:06:55.860
sort of imposing that on someone and having someone

01:06:55.860 --> 01:06:58.519
who's not against their will, but who's maybe

01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:00.420
not enjoying it completely, but who is still

01:07:00.420 --> 01:07:02.480
kind of doing it, licking your feet, licking

01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:06.460
my arse or whatever. Yeah. I really get into

01:07:06.460 --> 01:07:09.659
that, that kind of being the sort of monstrous

01:07:09.659 --> 01:07:11.079
sort of figure. It's quite interesting to me

01:07:11.079 --> 01:07:15.099
in that way. Yeah. any of you monster fuckers

01:07:15.099 --> 01:07:17.480
out there want the real deal you can let me know

01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:19.760
I don't know what it says about me that the only

01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:21.599
part of that scene that sounds like a bad time

01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:23.400
is the part where you had to put a wet sock on

01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:26.840
it was Wiley's favourite part I mean I let it

01:07:26.840 --> 01:07:28.780
dry a bit but it was still just like I was like

01:07:28.780 --> 01:07:32.239
oh I have issues with socks I have difficulties

01:07:32.239 --> 01:07:34.699
with wearing socks at all I can only wear fluffy

01:07:34.699 --> 01:07:37.760
socks like before I discovered how much better

01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:40.199
I feel in fluffy socks putting socks on every

01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:43.019
day was genuinely upsetting to me and if I have

01:07:43.309 --> 01:07:45.469
taken my socks off. I cannot put the same socks

01:07:45.469 --> 01:07:47.730
back on because they feel contaminated and gross,

01:07:47.829 --> 01:07:50.429
even if I had them on for an hour. So I could

01:07:50.429 --> 01:07:52.809
not have done that. But I could quite happily

01:07:52.809 --> 01:07:55.010
sniff the most disgusting socks in the world.

01:07:55.050 --> 01:07:56.750
Very, very happy if it's someone else with the

01:07:56.750 --> 01:08:00.730
gross socks. They just can't be on my feet. I

01:08:00.730 --> 01:08:02.949
guess I would have enjoyed it in Australia. I

01:08:02.949 --> 01:08:10.030
just like feet anyway. I'm trying to decide whether

01:08:10.030 --> 01:08:12.190
I would be willing to walk around with a... with

01:08:12.190 --> 01:08:14.570
a cum sock on for three days. I don't recommend

01:08:14.570 --> 01:08:19.930
it. I really don't recommend it. I really like

01:08:19.930 --> 01:08:22.710
properly disgusting feet and Mick's doesn't have

01:08:22.710 --> 01:08:24.689
bad enough hygiene to really participate in that.

01:08:24.789 --> 01:08:26.949
They'll sometimes go a day without a shower and

01:08:26.949 --> 01:08:28.750
that's always a really exciting day for me when

01:08:28.750 --> 01:08:31.270
that happens but I can't get anything worse than

01:08:31.270 --> 01:08:36.329
that out of them sadly. I have okay hygiene but

01:08:36.329 --> 01:08:38.829
I'm willing to make sacrifices sometimes for

01:08:38.829 --> 01:08:43.600
everybody. Yeah. I think there's been a couple

01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:45.859
of, maybe even a couple of times when I've kind

01:08:45.859 --> 01:08:47.439
of extended it a little bit for your benefit.

01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:51.880
And then there was Kendall calling. Yes. Where

01:08:51.880 --> 01:08:54.619
I couldn't shower for three days because we were

01:08:54.619 --> 01:08:58.140
in a fucking field. Yeah. Great. That was a good

01:08:58.140 --> 01:08:59.819
time. Yeah. When we came back from Kendall calling,

01:08:59.859 --> 01:09:01.680
you let me have a thorough investigate of your

01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:03.539
feet before you got cleaned up. Yeah. And the

01:09:03.539 --> 01:09:07.140
trainers that I'd been wearing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:09:08.570 --> 01:09:10.970
Yeah, I have the experience where everyone's

01:09:10.970 --> 01:09:12.289
saying they have nasty feet. I'm just like, no,

01:09:12.350 --> 01:09:16.470
you don't. I don't have big toenails on my toes.

01:09:16.510 --> 01:09:20.109
I had them removed. So they kind of look a bit

01:09:20.109 --> 01:09:24.869
like Mother Teresa, I always say. Little wrinkled

01:09:24.869 --> 01:09:31.510
kind of thing. Cut that. I like inflicting those

01:09:31.510 --> 01:09:34.770
on people who want to have things inflicted on

01:09:34.770 --> 01:09:36.630
them. Sorry, I know we're going to cut it out,

01:09:36.689 --> 01:09:40.590
but I can't stop laughing at Mother Teresa. You

01:09:40.590 --> 01:09:42.630
can leave it in if you want. I think she's not

01:09:42.630 --> 01:09:45.930
going to sue, is she? No, she's not going to

01:09:45.930 --> 01:09:48.850
send her lawyers after us. So you've talked a

01:09:48.850 --> 01:09:51.329
little bit about how you learned some of the

01:09:51.329 --> 01:09:52.909
knowledge that you have about keeping things

01:09:52.909 --> 01:09:56.409
safe. What kind of stuff do you go into negotiations

01:09:56.409 --> 01:09:58.810
looking to discuss with people for shops? Okay,

01:09:58.869 --> 01:10:00.729
so I'm going to speak mostly as a top because

01:10:00.729 --> 01:10:03.470
certainly with all these sort of, certainly for

01:10:03.470 --> 01:10:06.199
pickup, well. Yeah, I guess I've done sort of

01:10:06.199 --> 01:10:08.399
quite simple pickup play as a sharps player.

01:10:08.659 --> 01:10:09.960
I will basically just ask people straight up,

01:10:10.039 --> 01:10:14.039
do you have any blood -borne pathogens that we

01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:17.020
know of? If they say yes, that doesn't mean you

01:10:17.020 --> 01:10:18.260
can't play. It just means obviously you have

01:10:18.260 --> 01:10:22.319
to really set up how careful you are and have

01:10:22.319 --> 01:10:24.600
that into your risk profile. I know there are

01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:28.000
people who can do sharps play who have blood

01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:30.899
-borne illnesses. I'm not saying that's a barrier

01:10:30.899 --> 01:10:33.079
to doing it. I'm saying it's something that...

01:10:34.030 --> 01:10:36.470
whoever you're playing with needs to have informed

01:10:36.470 --> 01:10:39.949
consent on, I would say. Do they have a history

01:10:39.949 --> 01:10:42.270
with... Well, do they have a history of fainting

01:10:42.270 --> 01:10:43.529
at the doctor's? That's usually how I phrase

01:10:43.529 --> 01:10:47.310
it. Do you have a known reaction to needles in

01:10:47.310 --> 01:10:50.449
any sort of way? Yeah. And then just on the day,

01:10:50.470 --> 01:10:52.369
things like, have you eaten? Are you well hydrated?

01:10:53.850 --> 01:10:57.850
It's just the basic things of sort of just vetting

01:10:57.850 --> 01:10:59.449
a person. And this is for when I'm going to do

01:10:59.449 --> 01:11:03.890
a very simple... If someone has come to me who

01:11:03.890 --> 01:11:06.489
had an event and been like, I want to try having

01:11:06.489 --> 01:11:09.270
needles for this day, which is generally going

01:11:09.270 --> 01:11:12.189
to mean I'm going to put a few very small needles

01:11:12.189 --> 01:11:14.569
in the top of an arm somewhere or into the top

01:11:14.569 --> 01:11:19.529
of a thigh. So this is the very basic vetting

01:11:19.529 --> 01:11:22.569
of, are you someone who I'm okay doing sharps

01:11:22.569 --> 01:11:26.250
play in general with, whatever sort of level.

01:11:30.670 --> 01:11:32.229
If it's anything beyond that, if it's anything

01:11:32.229 --> 01:11:35.069
beyond them saying, I've never done this before,

01:11:35.130 --> 01:11:37.270
I want to try it. Yeah. That then obviously is,

01:11:37.270 --> 01:11:40.470
okay, what have you done before? Yeah. How did

01:11:40.470 --> 01:11:43.189
you react to it? And then your general negotiations

01:11:43.189 --> 01:11:47.649
of what can I and can't I call you? I mean, I

01:11:47.649 --> 01:11:50.189
generally wouldn't be doing a, I wouldn't be

01:11:50.189 --> 01:11:52.350
bringing sort of degradation into it, but even

01:11:52.350 --> 01:11:55.069
just, do you want me to say good girl when you're

01:11:55.069 --> 01:11:56.390
doing a good job? Do you want me not to say you're

01:11:56.390 --> 01:11:58.149
doing a good boy? Just that sort of general thing.

01:11:58.350 --> 01:12:01.439
And then. It's more a case that I would then

01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:05.340
get them to vet me in a certain way. Yeah. And

01:12:05.340 --> 01:12:08.239
I don't mean telling them to ask questions. I

01:12:08.239 --> 01:12:10.859
would then demonstrate. Basically, it's almost

01:12:10.859 --> 01:12:12.939
like demonstrating your vetting, the vetting

01:12:12.939 --> 01:12:15.079
you want to be asked to someone. Yeah. So sit

01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:18.260
them down, show them my kit. Yeah. Talk them

01:12:18.260 --> 01:12:24.100
through the process of this is... this is how

01:12:24.100 --> 01:12:25.979
you, do you prefer to sit up? I guess I'd ask,

01:12:26.060 --> 01:12:28.180
do you want to sit up or lie down? This is how

01:12:28.180 --> 01:12:29.260
I'm going to do this. This is how I'm going to,

01:12:29.260 --> 01:12:30.699
this is how I'm going to clean your skin. And

01:12:30.699 --> 01:12:32.060
then I would basically just talk through the

01:12:32.060 --> 01:12:34.500
actual process. Yeah. Because that's, if nothing

01:12:34.500 --> 01:12:37.159
else, if one, it's to reassure them of what is

01:12:37.159 --> 01:12:39.260
going to happen. It's, it's getting consent on

01:12:39.260 --> 01:12:41.520
what's going to happen. Yeah. Which certainly,

01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:46.079
unless it's, playing with someone like Marty

01:12:46.079 --> 01:12:47.439
is slightly different. We have slightly different,

01:12:47.439 --> 01:12:50.420
we have sort of, but if it's someone new, I want

01:12:50.420 --> 01:12:51.619
to get explicit consent for everything that's

01:12:51.619 --> 01:12:54.369
going to happen to them. Even if that is, I'm

01:12:54.369 --> 01:12:59.489
going to wipe your leg with this wipe. You know

01:12:59.489 --> 01:13:01.189
what I mean? I'd rather every step was going

01:13:01.189 --> 01:13:02.350
to happen so they can say yes or no. Because

01:13:02.350 --> 01:13:04.329
then they can say, actually, can I do it myself?

01:13:04.449 --> 01:13:06.710
I don't want you doing that to me. It has to

01:13:06.710 --> 01:13:08.590
happen, but it's certainly a perfectly legitimate

01:13:08.590 --> 01:13:11.569
thing to happen if you just kind of... Yeah,

01:13:12.949 --> 01:13:14.409
so, you know, take them through every step of

01:13:14.409 --> 01:13:17.609
what everything is, what I'm going to do, what

01:13:17.609 --> 01:13:21.699
to do afterwards. Yeah. Well, then... be a vetting

01:13:21.699 --> 01:13:23.539
question of, do you know what infection looks

01:13:23.539 --> 01:13:26.960
like? Do you know what to do if this happens?

01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:30.020
Are you comfortable going to A &E if you have

01:13:30.020 --> 01:13:33.300
to? Yeah. It's highly unlikely anything I'd be

01:13:33.300 --> 01:13:36.720
doing at that sort of stage is going to, even

01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:38.479
if it gets slightly infected, even if it gets

01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:41.579
infected, is going to lead to a hospital visit.

01:13:42.060 --> 01:13:43.800
But I do need to know that someone is willing

01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:45.359
to go and have that hospital visit if they have

01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:47.340
to. You know what I mean? You don't want to end

01:13:47.340 --> 01:13:48.600
up in a position where you're trying to talk

01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:50.960
them into going to hospital or getting sepsis

01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:52.600
or something. Yeah, I just don't want that. It's

01:13:52.600 --> 01:13:54.840
not even about protecting myself in any way.

01:13:54.859 --> 01:13:57.399
I don't want that to happen. If I like you enough

01:13:57.399 --> 01:14:01.420
to spend needles on you, which cost about 10

01:14:01.420 --> 01:14:03.220
pence, but that's not the point. If I'm going

01:14:03.220 --> 01:14:05.500
to expand my time and resources on you, I like

01:14:05.500 --> 01:14:07.340
you enough to not want you to die of sepsis.

01:14:07.720 --> 01:14:10.699
I know it's a low bar, but I do care about you

01:14:10.699 --> 01:14:14.720
to that degree. And then obviously just go through

01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:17.520
it. And also just in case of, you know, what

01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:18.800
sort of aftercare do you think you're going to

01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:21.539
need? Because, you know, if you are, if it is

01:14:21.539 --> 01:14:23.520
just a case of, I'm going to drop you a message

01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:25.220
tomorrow, check you're okay, I'll make sure everything's

01:14:25.220 --> 01:14:28.100
cleaned up and check you're okay. If you want

01:14:28.100 --> 01:14:29.520
to sit and cuddle with me afterwards, that's

01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:31.079
absolutely fine. I'm more willing to do that,

01:14:31.140 --> 01:14:33.659
but I also don't like expecting that either.

01:14:34.260 --> 01:14:36.239
And that's not something I would usually need

01:14:36.239 --> 01:14:39.720
off a, again off a very simple sort of taste

01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:41.619
I've seen but if they do I'm happy to provide

01:14:41.619 --> 01:14:44.220
it it is something I definitely need when I'm

01:14:44.220 --> 01:14:47.819
doing horrible sadistic things to Molly but you

01:14:47.819 --> 01:14:50.699
know so on both sides yeah just general I mean

01:14:50.699 --> 01:14:52.119
I'm trying to focus on the things that are sort

01:14:52.119 --> 01:14:54.239
of specific to sharps playing rather than sort

01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:56.560
of broader because I know you've discussed kind

01:14:56.560 --> 01:14:59.000
of yeah and there's what negotiate before any

01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:01.000
we could talk all night about what goes into

01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:03.439
good negotiation but yeah sort of the specific

01:15:03.439 --> 01:15:05.680
things that you do because i've seen you do that

01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:07.180
at events when we've been at events together

01:15:07.180 --> 01:15:08.939
i've seen you doing those kind of taster sessions

01:15:08.939 --> 01:15:12.119
and i think it's the way that you go about it

01:15:12.119 --> 01:15:14.000
is really good because you really make everything

01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:16.899
clear but also because you're so transparent

01:15:16.899 --> 01:15:18.619
about everything, I think it really opens up

01:15:18.619 --> 01:15:20.479
making people comfortable to ask you questions,

01:15:20.619 --> 01:15:22.939
where sometimes people feel if they're doing

01:15:22.939 --> 01:15:24.420
pick -up play or they're doing just something

01:15:24.420 --> 01:15:26.619
that's like a little bit of a taster, they feel

01:15:26.619 --> 01:15:28.079
like, well, this probably shouldn't need a lot

01:15:28.079 --> 01:15:29.659
of negotiation, so I don't want to ask too much,

01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:31.140
where actually you should ask as much as you

01:15:31.140 --> 01:15:32.939
feel like you need to be comfortable. And I try

01:15:32.939 --> 01:15:34.560
and kind of, I always kind of try and keep things

01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:36.779
very jovial and very light for that sort of scene.

01:15:36.899 --> 01:15:40.270
Yeah. In a way, I'm just like... it's not a big

01:15:40.270 --> 01:15:41.750
deal. I mean, I'm not saying it's, I mean, it

01:15:41.750 --> 01:15:43.470
can be a very big deal for someone if, you know,

01:15:43.470 --> 01:15:44.670
I've got people who are overcoming phobias and

01:15:44.670 --> 01:15:46.630
things, but what I want is for me is like, it's

01:15:46.630 --> 01:15:48.329
not a big deal for me in the sense of like, I

01:15:48.329 --> 01:15:49.930
don't have a great deal of expectations from

01:15:49.930 --> 01:15:54.550
you. I don't, I don't, if I put one needle in

01:15:54.550 --> 01:15:56.550
you and you go, nope, fine, that needle comes

01:15:56.550 --> 01:15:58.989
straight out, I check you're okay. That's, that's

01:15:58.989 --> 01:16:02.130
not a problem. You know what I mean? We, I usually

01:16:02.130 --> 01:16:03.609
say to me, we're going to start with the smallest

01:16:03.609 --> 01:16:05.770
needle I have and I'm going to sit in you for

01:16:05.770 --> 01:16:07.449
a couple of minutes just to check you're okay

01:16:07.449 --> 01:16:09.909
having it in you. And then I usually will let

01:16:09.909 --> 01:16:13.029
them guide the thing. I'll say, you know, if

01:16:13.029 --> 01:16:16.649
you decide you want another bigger needle, we

01:16:16.649 --> 01:16:18.250
can do that. We can keep going. Yeah, I've done

01:16:18.250 --> 01:16:19.789
it before where we have a rainbow down someone's

01:16:19.789 --> 01:16:21.750
arm because they're colour -coded. Yeah. So it's

01:16:21.750 --> 01:16:25.229
sort of getting bigger and bigger. Yeah. If you

01:16:25.229 --> 01:16:29.130
decide, okay, I'm done. That's it. Fine, let

01:16:29.130 --> 01:16:30.909
me know. And then we can decide, am I going to

01:16:30.909 --> 01:16:31.949
take them out straight away or do you want to

01:16:31.949 --> 01:16:34.550
wait? Yeah, yeah. Because obviously taking them

01:16:34.550 --> 01:16:37.550
out is another sort of step. Yeah. And then...

01:16:38.119 --> 01:16:41.000
it's a case of you're just like, okay, that needle's

01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:42.399
just right, but the next one was a bit too much.

01:16:42.460 --> 01:16:45.020
Can we try some more of that one? If I'm doing

01:16:45.020 --> 01:16:46.739
this sort of scene, I usually try and have a

01:16:46.739 --> 01:16:50.300
big box of a lot of different kinds of sizes

01:16:50.300 --> 01:16:56.699
of needles that we can just... The downside of

01:16:56.699 --> 01:16:59.340
doing that is because I'm having to get needles

01:16:59.340 --> 01:17:02.060
out of the package, it knocks the aesthetic technique

01:17:02.060 --> 01:17:05.739
a bit. So that's something we try and account

01:17:05.739 --> 01:17:08.909
for. I'll usually try and take a few out at once

01:17:08.909 --> 01:17:14.930
and then get the re -glove or get a little spray

01:17:14.930 --> 01:17:16.810
on that, set for a bit, just kind of do that.

01:17:18.069 --> 01:17:21.609
Yeah, that's sort of a trade -off that we have

01:17:21.609 --> 01:17:25.090
there. Sorry, there's a cat looking at me. The

01:17:25.090 --> 01:17:31.600
audience have won. Yeah, she does seem to like

01:17:31.600 --> 01:17:33.800
to be involved when we're recording. And she's

01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:35.939
quiet, which is good. Millie will come and sit

01:17:35.939 --> 01:17:38.239
here for the recording and not cause any problems.

01:17:38.439 --> 01:17:40.579
If Cookie comes to join in the recording, she

01:17:40.579 --> 01:17:45.800
has thoughts to contribute. Yeah, bonus. Well,

01:17:45.819 --> 01:17:47.359
you're a welcome presence, Millie. You're a very

01:17:47.359 --> 01:17:50.439
welcome presence. And what would you suggest

01:17:50.439 --> 01:17:54.359
for new people who are looking to try sharps?

01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:56.359
Apart from... to come and see you for a taster

01:17:56.359 --> 01:17:58.340
session. If they're looking for, either from

01:17:58.340 --> 01:17:59.600
the top or the bottom, they're looking to try

01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:02.939
sharps, what would they want to look for in partners

01:18:02.939 --> 01:18:05.020
and how would they want to approach it? Yeah.

01:18:07.199 --> 01:18:09.180
I mean, I would suggest, even before that, I

01:18:09.180 --> 01:18:10.939
would suggest obviously get as much research

01:18:10.939 --> 01:18:14.140
done as you can first. There are great, great

01:18:14.140 --> 01:18:17.500
resources online now. There are some great users

01:18:17.500 --> 01:18:20.420
on FET who have a lot of good stuff there. There

01:18:20.420 --> 01:18:24.020
are... People doing sort of paid actual classes,

01:18:24.319 --> 01:18:26.279
Brain of Blood, if you feel you would benefit

01:18:26.279 --> 01:18:33.340
from the kind of more direct online class model.

01:18:34.779 --> 01:18:36.779
Personally, I've actually only ever done one

01:18:36.779 --> 01:18:41.500
actual online class or something. Right. Part

01:18:41.500 --> 01:18:43.000
of that's been financial, part of it's just been

01:18:43.000 --> 01:18:44.340
that I've not had things come up that I kind

01:18:44.340 --> 01:18:46.279
of, well, I don't know what I do. And that's

01:18:46.279 --> 01:18:48.600
also not kind of the way I learn. I'm a reader,

01:18:48.659 --> 01:18:52.609
basically. Yeah. kind of a document person, but

01:18:52.609 --> 01:18:55.369
plenty out there. Make sure you get a clear idea

01:18:55.369 --> 01:18:56.630
of what it is you want to do and what you want

01:18:56.630 --> 01:19:02.930
to try. If you're looking for a sharp stop, ask

01:19:02.930 --> 01:19:06.930
the questions of what is your experience level?

01:19:07.430 --> 01:19:09.149
And that experience level does not have to be

01:19:09.149 --> 01:19:10.829
particularly high if you just want to try something

01:19:10.829 --> 01:19:13.970
out with someone. If they bullshit you about

01:19:13.970 --> 01:19:16.569
their experience level... that is where there's

01:19:16.569 --> 01:19:19.829
a problem. That's what I mean. I would much rather

01:19:19.829 --> 01:19:23.970
say, if someone says, hey, yes, I've done this

01:19:23.970 --> 01:19:26.310
a couple of times, this is what I've learned,

01:19:26.369 --> 01:19:27.310
this is what I've looked up, this is what I want

01:19:27.310 --> 01:19:28.390
to do, this is what I've done, it's like, okay,

01:19:28.409 --> 01:19:32.369
great. I'd be much more inclined to go with them

01:19:32.369 --> 01:19:36.770
than the person who claims to be a huge experience,

01:19:36.850 --> 01:19:38.630
I've done all this, this and this, and then I've

01:19:38.630 --> 01:19:40.270
nothing to show for it and kind of, you know,

01:19:40.270 --> 01:19:42.920
that's been about it. I'm the same with vetting

01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:44.619
for literally anything. I would much rather someone

01:19:44.619 --> 01:19:47.060
say, I don't know a lot, or I've taught myself,

01:19:47.340 --> 01:19:49.239
or actually I learned in a really bad way and

01:19:49.239 --> 01:19:51.539
made loads of mistakes. Transparency is sexy.

01:19:51.739 --> 01:19:53.819
But if someone claims to be really amazing and

01:19:53.819 --> 01:19:55.300
know all these things and can't tell you how

01:19:55.300 --> 01:19:57.239
they learned it, where they learned it, what

01:19:57.239 --> 01:19:59.319
they've actually got from that learning, that's

01:19:59.319 --> 01:20:02.720
not great. And ask them, have you ever had something

01:20:02.720 --> 01:20:06.720
go wrong? Yeah. And then the follow -up question

01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:08.380
is, what did you do? But if their answer is...

01:20:08.380 --> 01:20:11.859
If their answer is... Actually, I'm really lucky

01:20:11.859 --> 01:20:13.420
I've not had anything go massively wrong. Great,

01:20:13.500 --> 01:20:16.659
great answer. If the answer is to be like, no,

01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:18.119
nothing could possibly go wrong with me, why

01:20:18.119 --> 01:20:20.920
are you asking? That is the red flag. And you

01:20:20.920 --> 01:20:22.159
don't even tell this, this is not shops for doing

01:20:22.159 --> 01:20:23.300
stuff, you don't need me to tell you this, but

01:20:23.300 --> 01:20:25.460
it's like anything like, yeah. If you can watch

01:20:25.460 --> 01:20:28.760
people play, watch them play. I mean, I feel

01:20:28.760 --> 01:20:29.920
stupid answering this question because it's all

01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:31.899
very obvious stuff. I think it's the same as

01:20:31.899 --> 01:20:35.020
any other kink, really. It's just the case that

01:20:35.020 --> 01:20:41.050
it's a kink that maybe requires more technical

01:20:41.050 --> 01:20:42.909
knowledge or research than some other kinks maybe

01:20:42.909 --> 01:20:46.229
in terms of actual mechanics of things but in

01:20:46.229 --> 01:20:48.529
terms of actually seeking out someone to play

01:20:48.529 --> 01:20:50.050
a part or anything like that I think it's exactly

01:20:50.050 --> 01:20:52.430
the same as any other kink apply yeah there's

01:20:52.430 --> 01:20:53.810
never anything wrong with going over the basics

01:20:53.810 --> 01:20:55.670
though because you know yeah if people listen

01:20:55.670 --> 01:20:57.829
to our whole podcast beginning tomorrow they

01:20:57.829 --> 01:20:59.789
might have heard some of this before but also

01:20:59.789 --> 01:21:02.250
I always think about some of the times where

01:21:02.250 --> 01:21:04.430
people have watched one of my two -minute TikTok

01:21:04.430 --> 01:21:06.710
videos, taken it and run with it and done something

01:21:06.710 --> 01:21:08.869
a little unwise, so I like us to get the 101

01:21:08.869 --> 01:21:10.369
in there. Oh, there's a reason I said it all

01:21:10.369 --> 01:21:13.130
before I said I felt stupid. I understand why

01:21:13.130 --> 01:21:16.210
you may want that. I'm just saying the obvious

01:21:16.210 --> 01:21:20.869
here, but I guess, you know, 20, yeah. But I

01:21:20.869 --> 01:21:23.670
think you're right. I think there's, from my

01:21:23.670 --> 01:21:25.770
perception of it anyway, and it's probably something

01:21:25.770 --> 01:21:28.130
that kind of is probably holding me back from

01:21:28.130 --> 01:21:32.659
trying it out, is... I think it does need a,

01:21:32.680 --> 01:21:35.180
it feels like it needs a greater level of technical

01:21:35.180 --> 01:21:38.539
understanding and knowledge than some other kinks

01:21:38.539 --> 01:21:42.640
that we do. So, you know, it's not quite analogous,

01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:45.439
but kind of, I think about impact. Yeah. It's

01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:49.520
good to have an understanding of the human body

01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:52.279
before you hit someone. But essentially, if you

01:21:52.279 --> 01:21:55.000
stick to the fleshy parts of their arse, you're

01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:58.140
going to be all right. Same principle in Shaftesbury.

01:21:59.479 --> 01:22:02.560
Well, unless they can't. It's better to do it

01:22:02.560 --> 01:22:07.899
somewhere where they can see it. I do also think

01:22:07.899 --> 01:22:09.720
that you can get a bit of a mystification on

01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:11.100
Shaftesbury that people think maybe there is

01:22:11.100 --> 01:22:13.880
more to it technically than there is. We're actually

01:22:13.880 --> 01:22:19.420
the basic principles of what you're doing. aren't

01:22:19.420 --> 01:22:21.979
necessarily that complicated. It's the, yeah,

01:22:22.079 --> 01:22:24.239
it's the knowing what you don't know, knowing

01:22:24.239 --> 01:22:27.140
what to do and just knowing your level and playing

01:22:27.140 --> 01:22:28.939
to your level is the thing. I think most of the

01:22:28.939 --> 01:22:30.460
things that really go wrong with sharps, other

01:22:30.460 --> 01:22:32.760
than sort of freak accidents, which will happen.

01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:38.119
Yeah. I'd be very lucky. I've come, I mean, I

01:22:38.119 --> 01:22:40.560
say very lucky, getting a sharp stick where you,

01:22:40.699 --> 01:22:43.000
a needle stick where you're topping and the needle

01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:45.760
sticks you. Yeah. It's not a big deal. It's,

01:22:46.940 --> 01:22:48.619
I should say that's something if you're going

01:22:48.619 --> 01:22:51.619
to shops top or even bottom, learn what to do

01:22:51.619 --> 01:22:54.739
if that happens. Because you do need to know

01:22:54.739 --> 01:22:57.859
what to do if that happens. There's a pretty

01:22:57.859 --> 01:23:00.039
simple process of what to do, but you need to

01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:02.520
know it. I'm lucky I've never actually had a

01:23:02.520 --> 01:23:04.979
proper needle stick when I've been playing with

01:23:04.979 --> 01:23:07.340
someone else. I've come about a millimetre away

01:23:07.340 --> 01:23:13.859
from one. But yeah, that's the thing to say,

01:23:13.880 --> 01:23:15.260
obviously, is make sure you know what to do if

01:23:15.260 --> 01:23:18.649
things go wrong. Yeah. But I think, like in a

01:23:18.649 --> 01:23:22.029
lot of kink, the big, when things really go wrong,

01:23:22.130 --> 01:23:25.229
negligently, it's just playing beyond what you

01:23:25.229 --> 01:23:27.430
know. Yeah. I don't mean in the sense of pushing

01:23:27.430 --> 01:23:30.270
your boundaries, I mean beyond kind of what you've

01:23:30.270 --> 01:23:32.850
learned or kind of how you... Yeah, yeah. And

01:23:32.850 --> 01:23:35.270
it's interesting, Mix, that you say that you'd

01:23:35.270 --> 01:23:37.149
be wary with sharps play because it seems so

01:23:37.149 --> 01:23:40.010
technical. Mm -hmm. But we do waterboarding.

01:23:40.149 --> 01:23:42.069
Yeah. I would say that is probably more technically

01:23:42.069 --> 01:23:46.420
difficult. Yeah. But again, I suppose it... It

01:23:46.420 --> 01:23:47.920
is about perception, isn't it? Because I can

01:23:47.920 --> 01:23:51.920
remember before we did waterboarding, and I think

01:23:51.920 --> 01:23:54.920
we probably had this specific conversation, is

01:23:54.920 --> 01:23:55.939
that, you know, I was saying, if I'm going to

01:23:55.939 --> 01:23:58.920
try waterboarding, I want to see someone do it.

01:23:58.979 --> 01:24:02.420
I need to properly understand all of the ins

01:24:02.420 --> 01:24:05.779
and outs of it and kind of be kind of mentored

01:24:05.779 --> 01:24:08.979
in it. And then we did some research into it

01:24:08.979 --> 01:24:11.039
and we did some kind of reading around of it.

01:24:11.100 --> 01:24:12.659
And then we went to a couple of amazing classes.

01:24:12.779 --> 01:24:15.189
And actually that really deep... scared the shit

01:24:15.189 --> 01:24:16.869
out of us because of all the risk stuff that

01:24:16.869 --> 01:24:19.270
we talked about but really demystified it as

01:24:19.270 --> 01:24:24.670
well actually the mechanical process of it actually

01:24:24.670 --> 01:24:27.850
quite straightforward as long as you're like

01:24:27.850 --> 01:24:31.149
you say kind of playing within your comfort zone

01:24:31.149 --> 01:24:33.390
playing within your level of knowledge and experience

01:24:33.390 --> 01:24:40.170
and being really aware of the risks so yeah I

01:24:40.170 --> 01:24:43.489
think you're right Once you sit down and start

01:24:43.489 --> 01:24:45.170
learning things, they're not usually as complex

01:24:45.170 --> 01:24:47.489
as you think. Yes. So just as we wrap up then,

01:24:47.529 --> 01:24:49.890
I suppose I'm really interested in kind of your

01:24:49.890 --> 01:24:53.149
favourite, your favourite shout -up scene or

01:24:53.149 --> 01:24:55.770
your favourite scene generally that you've done?

01:24:56.949 --> 01:24:58.409
Well, a few for the sort of favourite shout -ups.

01:24:59.229 --> 01:25:01.109
I'm not going to get on that one. So there's

01:25:01.109 --> 01:25:04.909
one that was really beautiful for me. It was

01:25:04.909 --> 01:25:06.930
after, it was, so me and Marty had been playing

01:25:06.930 --> 01:25:10.329
for about, maybe about four months. It was at

01:25:10.329 --> 01:25:13.079
a public event. And it was when we got comfortable

01:25:13.079 --> 01:25:14.500
enough with each other, we were kind of moving

01:25:14.500 --> 01:25:18.520
away from a very simple, strictly laid out consent

01:25:18.520 --> 01:25:20.380
model of, I'm going to do this, this, this, this,

01:25:20.380 --> 01:25:22.680
this, and this order. Yeah. Something we discussed

01:25:22.680 --> 01:25:24.640
together. It was basically a case of, I told

01:25:24.640 --> 01:25:26.539
her at some point, I think all the things I was

01:25:26.539 --> 01:25:28.520
going to try and do with her. Yeah. But when

01:25:28.520 --> 01:25:30.380
we basically started the scene, I said, I'm going

01:25:30.380 --> 01:25:33.840
to put you into this four of bondage, which I'll

01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:35.979
discuss in a sec. And then I have a few things

01:25:35.979 --> 01:25:39.119
I'm going to try and do with you. I don't expect

01:25:39.119 --> 01:25:41.960
you to get through them all. we're going to basically,

01:25:42.000 --> 01:25:44.020
we're going to play it to red. Yeah. Which is

01:25:44.020 --> 01:25:45.680
a legitimate thing to do, you know, just saying

01:25:45.680 --> 01:25:47.140
like, you just call red when you've had enough

01:25:47.140 --> 01:25:49.039
and we'll end the scene and that's it. Yeah.

01:25:49.060 --> 01:25:51.199
That's it. So what the scene consisted of, we

01:25:51.199 --> 01:25:54.520
basically did a hog tie position. Right. But

01:25:54.520 --> 01:25:57.539
I mean, I should say I don't do rope. Rope is

01:25:57.539 --> 01:26:00.000
a soft limit for me. Right. The idea of tying

01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:05.880
knots just fills me with dread. So we had staples.

01:26:06.680 --> 01:26:09.880
I actually got, The metal rings of key rings

01:26:09.880 --> 01:26:11.720
that you're attached that key ring to. Yeah,

01:26:11.720 --> 01:26:15.220
yeah. I stapled some of those to Marty's scalp,

01:26:15.380 --> 01:26:17.500
the back of her hands and the soles of her feet.

01:26:17.960 --> 01:26:21.659
Right. And then with her on her stomach and on

01:26:21.659 --> 01:26:25.079
her back, I attached them together with a fishing

01:26:25.079 --> 01:26:27.680
line. Right. So she was essentially in a hog

01:26:27.680 --> 01:26:29.859
tie position, but what was holding her in position

01:26:29.859 --> 01:26:33.100
was the tension of the staple in her skin on

01:26:33.100 --> 01:26:35.859
her hands, scalp and feet. Apparently the scalp,

01:26:35.979 --> 01:26:37.439
the top of the scalp actually wasn't very painful.

01:26:37.539 --> 01:26:40.260
I know, you know, but yeah, the feet definitely

01:26:40.260 --> 01:26:44.500
were. I had her in that position and then I...

01:26:44.500 --> 01:26:47.479
So this was at an event with an audience, so

01:26:47.479 --> 01:26:49.119
we had actually invited some of our friends to

01:26:49.119 --> 01:26:52.220
come and try. We put staples into her shins.

01:26:53.420 --> 01:26:57.220
So we covered her shins in staples, all of her

01:26:57.220 --> 01:26:59.800
shins, and I then beat over the staples with

01:26:59.800 --> 01:27:03.239
the shambok, which is a very painful rubber whip.

01:27:03.600 --> 01:27:06.079
That's incredibly mean. It's one of the most

01:27:06.079 --> 01:27:10.640
evil things I've ever made. So we did that. And

01:27:10.640 --> 01:27:13.859
then I also put some... I don't think there were

01:27:13.859 --> 01:27:18.340
18 there. No, they had pink caps, so 20 -something.

01:27:18.600 --> 01:27:20.380
Yeah. Anyway, I put some needles through her

01:27:20.380 --> 01:27:23.319
toes. Not through the toenails, but actually

01:27:23.319 --> 01:27:26.380
through the sort of pad of the toe. Yeah. Out

01:27:26.380 --> 01:27:30.560
and through. Yeah. Sort of very painful. And

01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:32.859
I put some 16 gauge needles, which are basically

01:27:32.859 --> 01:27:36.119
the biggest medical needles you can get. Hypertension

01:27:36.119 --> 01:27:39.960
needles. PSing needles go bigger. But for medical,

01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:42.060
the biggest I've ever seen is 16 gauge. Quite

01:27:42.060 --> 01:27:46.399
thick. Some of those in her arm. Right. Her arms

01:27:46.399 --> 01:27:50.460
as they were held back. And obviously, at that

01:27:50.460 --> 01:27:52.800
point, I was like, I've run out of moves. You

01:27:52.800 --> 01:27:55.319
haven't. You've taken everything. I was like,

01:27:55.340 --> 01:28:01.479
wow. That was when I knew I was dealing with

01:28:01.479 --> 01:28:03.859
someone very special. Yeah. That's fair, yeah.

01:28:03.920 --> 01:28:05.520
That's not to say she wasn't special if she hadn't

01:28:05.520 --> 01:28:06.680
taken all that, but it was just the case of like,

01:28:06.800 --> 01:28:10.319
I literally had all this stuff planned. I was

01:28:10.319 --> 01:28:13.100
like, it's going to work for what we can. But

01:28:13.100 --> 01:28:15.779
yeah, she took it all. She loved it. And I was

01:28:15.779 --> 01:28:21.239
like, wow, okay. I like this girl. That is very

01:28:21.239 --> 01:28:23.380
amazing, isn't it? Another really great one was

01:28:23.380 --> 01:28:27.680
Kaylee from... in 38 if I remember before. Her

01:28:27.680 --> 01:28:32.760
birthday scene where we did her, it was, actually

01:28:32.760 --> 01:28:34.399
that was, was that 16 or 18? It was some very

01:28:34.399 --> 01:28:37.340
thick needles and Katie had only done one small

01:28:37.340 --> 01:28:39.800
needle scene before. Yeah. Something she'd wanted

01:28:39.800 --> 01:28:41.460
to do to sort of really challenge herself as

01:28:41.460 --> 01:28:44.600
sort of an intense thing. It was her, whatever

01:28:44.600 --> 01:28:46.460
birthday it was, we put that number of needles

01:28:46.460 --> 01:28:48.720
in her arms and legs while she was laying flat

01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:52.600
in her drone gas mask thing. We then inserted

01:28:52.600 --> 01:28:55.300
birthday cake candles into them and sort of lit

01:28:55.300 --> 01:29:02.060
them. And when we lit the candles, I almost wept.

01:29:02.779 --> 01:29:06.020
It was like, it was just so beautiful. This body

01:29:06.020 --> 01:29:08.180
kind of lying there, glowing with these candles.

01:29:08.260 --> 01:29:11.159
I was just like, oh my God, I'm part of the creation

01:29:11.159 --> 01:29:13.720
of this beautiful, beautiful moment. So I think

01:29:13.720 --> 01:29:17.880
aesthetically that's been the, I think the first

01:29:17.880 --> 01:29:19.239
time I actually, it's probably because of what

01:29:19.239 --> 01:29:22.520
it kind of made me realise and feel about my

01:29:22.520 --> 01:29:25.100
own body's sort of ongoing down thing. Yeah.

01:29:25.659 --> 01:29:27.460
The one with, you know, it was just aesthetically

01:29:27.460 --> 01:29:30.060
just so stunning and it was a, you know, it was

01:29:30.060 --> 01:29:31.680
with friends. It was like a group scene with

01:29:31.680 --> 01:29:33.359
friends and it was being photographed and it

01:29:33.359 --> 01:29:36.220
was, it was just, just beautiful to be a part

01:29:36.220 --> 01:29:38.300
of a, like, you know, as I said, I'm not really

01:29:38.300 --> 01:29:40.460
a, an aesthetic or decorative needle person.

01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:43.539
Yeah. But with that, it was just like, wow. Probably

01:29:43.539 --> 01:29:45.859
the most, one I feel obliged to mention just

01:29:45.859 --> 01:29:49.039
on a, on a creative level is, what we call the

01:29:49.039 --> 01:29:52.659
team you bottom surgery. Just something I've

01:29:52.659 --> 01:29:56.600
done with Monty and I may do again. Molly being

01:29:56.600 --> 01:29:59.319
a trans woman, we did a scene where I basically

01:29:59.319 --> 01:30:04.399
kind of pushed her penis down and almost like

01:30:04.399 --> 01:30:07.100
a tucking procedure, kind of rolled the scrotum

01:30:07.100 --> 01:30:10.300
around it and stapled the scrotum in place. Wow.

01:30:10.399 --> 01:30:12.140
So it sort of looked like a vagina. I remember

01:30:12.140 --> 01:30:13.619
seeing the pictures of that. Yeah, and that was

01:30:13.619 --> 01:30:17.819
quite incredible. But I mean, I mostly just want

01:30:17.819 --> 01:30:19.340
to mention that one so I can get the phrase TBU

01:30:19.340 --> 01:30:23.159
bottom surgery in everyone's heads. I have completely,

01:30:23.319 --> 01:30:25.680
separately from you, came up with something similar

01:30:25.680 --> 01:30:27.699
once, which I called I Got Bottom Surgery at

01:30:27.699 --> 01:30:29.819
Claire's, which is where I got stapled shut.

01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:38.000
Yeah, I've seen that one. Excellent stuff. Where

01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:42.819
do you go from there? Have you got kind of big

01:30:42.819 --> 01:30:45.699
plans for new scenes or kind of escalation of

01:30:45.699 --> 01:30:48.500
scenes? What's there? So hopefully this weekend,

01:30:48.579 --> 01:30:52.319
myself and Marty will be... I've got a hold of

01:30:52.319 --> 01:30:55.279
some much larger piercing needles right some

01:30:55.279 --> 01:30:56.699
12 gauge and some 8 gauge we're going to give

01:30:56.699 --> 01:30:58.840
those a try don't know how they're going to go

01:30:58.840 --> 01:31:00.479
we're not doing a full scene with them we're

01:31:00.479 --> 01:31:02.239
just going to literally put them in see how it

01:31:02.239 --> 01:31:04.220
is and then maybe later do another scene with

01:31:04.220 --> 01:31:07.539
them because I need to know if she's able to

01:31:07.539 --> 01:31:10.039
take them basically it's quite an escalation

01:31:10.039 --> 01:31:12.819
more scalpel things we are yeah I suppose the

01:31:12.819 --> 01:31:15.720
other I guess you'd call it sharps play is nailing

01:31:15.720 --> 01:31:18.359
playing with nails That's something else that

01:31:18.359 --> 01:31:19.960
we're going to make. I'm planning to do some

01:31:19.960 --> 01:31:24.420
scrotum nailing at some point. Much like with

01:31:24.420 --> 01:31:27.859
the sock thing you mentioned. I think the hardest

01:31:27.859 --> 01:31:31.319
part for me is going to be sanitising the wood.

01:31:32.520 --> 01:31:37.699
That's the bit I'm looking for. It's the really

01:31:37.699 --> 01:31:39.880
practical things you've got to think about. Wouldn't

01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:43.880
know where to begin. Parcel One, you're probably

01:31:43.880 --> 01:31:45.539
just going to have to soak it in. I mean, you're

01:31:45.539 --> 01:31:47.800
never going to get it sterile. No. But it's a

01:31:47.800 --> 01:31:50.699
case of just getting as much as we can. But I

01:31:50.699 --> 01:31:52.479
think Parcel One's going to be able to go, that's

01:31:52.479 --> 01:31:55.000
something we're going to try. And we're intruding

01:31:55.000 --> 01:31:57.819
on your domain a bit by planning to explore some

01:31:57.819 --> 01:32:01.819
burns. Excellent. Good to be an influence. I'm

01:32:01.819 --> 01:32:04.140
always excited when anyone else does any burning

01:32:04.140 --> 01:32:06.640
because... A lot of the time, I will be the only

01:32:06.640 --> 01:32:08.319
person in the room who knows they like getting

01:32:08.319 --> 01:32:10.180
burned. And I guarantee if there's other masochists

01:32:10.180 --> 01:32:11.539
in the room, they like it too. They just don't

01:32:11.539 --> 01:32:14.300
know it yet. It's a very unique and special kind

01:32:14.300 --> 01:32:19.840
of pain. Yeah. Excellent stuff. Well, thank you

01:32:19.840 --> 01:32:22.220
very much for joining us, Matt. It's been a great

01:32:22.220 --> 01:32:24.159
conversation. Thank you for having me. Yeah,

01:32:24.159 --> 01:32:26.500
thank you. I was really excited to get you on

01:32:26.500 --> 01:32:30.279
because I think you have such a lighthearted

01:32:30.279 --> 01:32:34.600
and also so... so twisted approach to kink it's

01:32:34.600 --> 01:32:37.279
a really perfect balance and you do a lot of

01:32:37.279 --> 01:32:40.640
stuff that is well outside our area of experience

01:32:40.640 --> 01:32:43.920
that's really nice to to get some insight into

01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:45.819
i think particularly there's a lot of people

01:32:45.819 --> 01:32:48.060
who who listen to our podcast who aren't really

01:32:48.060 --> 01:32:50.520
part of the kink world they're maybe sort of

01:32:50.520 --> 01:32:52.539
just setting out on that journey themselves or

01:32:52.539 --> 01:32:53.880
they're not sure it's for them and they're just

01:32:53.880 --> 01:32:55.479
interested to learn about how other people live

01:32:55.479 --> 01:32:58.020
so getting a perspective like yours is something

01:32:58.020 --> 01:32:59.539
that's really special to get to share so thank

01:32:59.539 --> 01:33:03.479
you Have fun and try your best. That's what it's

01:33:03.479 --> 01:33:21.100
about. Yep. Wise words indeed. Absolutely. Thanks

01:33:21.100 --> 01:33:22.920
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01:33:22.920 --> 01:33:25.100
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