Well, this is the thing, my guy that I bang now.
Okay. I've been a, I'm a single mom. I have a
10 year old and like my life is my kid right
now. And I will go back to dating, you know,
when he's a little bit older, it doesn't need
me anymore. But in the meantime, I've always
had somebody servicing me. Right. So I do have
a booty call guy. Right. And he copped to me,
which was so fucking crazy. Cause I realized
somewhere along the line doing my show that,
Oh, I might be a cut queen because this guy wants
to send me a video of him, like fucking somebody
else. And he was like, Oh, this room, but he
was sending it to me because it reminded. And
it reminded him of me and he was pretending it
was me. But me seeing him fuck someone else was
like really turned me on. I'm like, oh, I'm a
cuck queen and I got that. But I never thought
I would be interested in banging guys for my
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Let's go. What's good, y 'all? What's good? It's
your boy, Socrates in the house. I miss Brian
already. Yeah, I am not. Listen, I am not the
introduction extraordinaire. That is Brian Morgan.
I am Socrates, the philosophical guy that will
think too much in his head about it. So, welcome
to another episode of the Bull Brotherhood podcast.
As Unk says, this is a special one, but I want
to give a little personal testimony, y 'all,
and a touch of what this means to me. So, when
I started my lifestyle journey, I started with
four podcasts. I started with the Keys and Inklings
podcast. What's up, my boy Michael? Michael C.
Check him out. I started with the We Got a Thing
podcast. I don't think they're podcasting anymore.
What's up, y 'all, if you're listening? And I
did the Stack Stable podcast, and I did Strictly
Anonymous Confessions. And guess who we got on
the show, y 'all? Kathy K. What's up, Kathy?
How you doing, girl? I think you're great at
introing. I don't know how Brian typically does
it, but you're doing a good job as far as I'm
concerned. I got to give him shit, Kathy, because
he didn't even introduce me and say that I'm
here with you. She's so loud and proud. I ain't
got to introduce shit. Well, Brian, Brian, he
always makes me feel special. So, Kathy, we're
so excited to bring you on. You were one of the
people that I listened to. We talked about it.
I was listening to you from Jump. And, you know,
we always like to get into the origin stories.
We know you have a new book that you're really
excited about sharing. We'll get into that. But,
like, I'm a curious guy. I use the Socratic method
of questioning. You know, I love it. And my first
question to you is, what got you motivated or
inspired to do your podcast? I kind of like this
question because I think my story is kind of
interesting because it's like. It's kind of like,
it was very unintentional. I have to say like
I, and I started podcasting a long time ago,
like when I, and lucky me, right. Because there
weren't many podcasts when I started. So it was
easy for me to build an audience back then. Right.
Because nobody had podcasts. We're talking like
11, 12 years ago when typically there was a lot
of comedians, right. They were like doing podcasts
back then. And I had a lot of comedian friends
because I worked in entertainment and I worked
with comedians and they were always like, Oh,
Kathy, you should start a podcast. Cause I love
to like, I'm like you Socrates. very curious
and if I if you sat across from me I would at
a party I would do to you what I do to all my
guests on my show which is like pick apart your
life ask you a million questions you tell me
one thing and I want to know 10 more things and
I'm just not in the lifestyle yeah can't you
can't turn me on like that woman come on now
you're not in the lifestyle don't talk to me
like that don't talk to me like that turn me
on you're talking dirty oh my god I think that's
a part of my I think that's a part of my charm
on my show because I'm not in the lifestyle.
And so when I did start out, my friends would
be like, oh, you should start your own show because
I wanted to. Maybe you find this too, Socrates.
When you are the kind of person that's super
curious and always want to. I don't do little
talk or what the fuck is that? Plain talk. Small
talk. Small talk, yeah. I don't even know the
term because I'm just not interested ever. I'm
like deep talk 24 -7. And people get fucking
sick of that kind of stuff. to that kind of stuff
siren yeah yeah yep oh but hey you can have him
call kathy and ask her you guys can ask each
other a billion questions it'll be great No,
but that's why you guys make a good couple. Right.
Because like, honestly, I have plenty of friends
that don't want to fucking hear. And that's why
I started my show, because I'm like, you know
what? Like, I love to do this and I love to do
that, you know, and ask people a million questions.
But my friends are like totally sick of me trying
to analyze their shit. So why don't I do like
a call in advice show? So literally it was going
to be like a Dear Abby show. Right. And I just
wanted to talk to people about anything. I'll
talk to someone about any kind of problem they
have or any kind of life story is interesting
to me. And I needed. callers to call in right
and so i didn't the only reason why i became
anonymous and everything was kind of by accident
i didn't want to go on facebook at the time uh
and look for people because i didn't want anyone
to know what i was doing because i was like petrified
that if i like my show would suck then everyone
would know right so i just wanted to do it privately
because i didn't know what was going to happen
so i went on to craigslist and honestly the only
reason why i went into the personals is because
it was the only free play to post an ad so i
posted like my ad looking for people to call
into a podcast, a regular podcast in like every
casual encounters, men for men, women for women,
like all those places because it was free. And
honestly. I got like the first five emails I
got for real were my first five episodes. And
they were like the craziest fucking stories from
guys I had ever heard. And that's how and I like
by that time, I had no name for my show. I didn't
know that people were going to be anonymous.
I didn't know that I was going to be anonymous.
I didn't know my show was going to be about sex.
But it became about this whole thing because
I used Craigslist. It was like the gift that
kept on giving. I had like struck gold and the
people I would find on there and the stories.
i would get were like fucking killer and then
when i added in making them anonymous because
most people were anonymous on craigslist anyway
and created the the title of my show and then
i got to hear all these interesting stories it
was like that's how my show came to be that's
dope yeah and so talk to me about the transition
from like oh whoever to being like no i'm gonna
focus on this part of it how did you niche down
to that Oh, because it was only Craigslist. Once
I got those five emails, it was like one guy,
like I'm fucking my best friend's brother's wife
and he's the sheriff in the town. Another guy
was like, I can only get off when I go down on
a woman, not through penetration. Another guy
was a dom and another guy was this guy named
John that was like hot wifing back then when
hot wifing didn't even have a name. So I'm sorry
when these... things came into me i was like
this is the only thing i'm gonna do because this
is like super interesting i was always someone
that was very open about sex i talked about it
a lot I I'm very nonjudgmental, you know? And
so that's why it became what it was because I
found this niche and there was so much content
and it was such interesting stories for my curious
brain. Like I was never going to get bored, like
rifling through Craigslist on a daily basis.
And that's what I had to do. I had to hustle
for many years in the beginning to get callers,
even just for one day a week. Now I don't have
to do that, but I did in the beginning and I
worked my ass off finding people. And I learned
a lot about what was going on out there in the
real world. Okay. Fetish. hot wifing you know
guys that like to sniff panties cheating guy
and guy action you you name it i found it on
craigslist and i learned all about it it was
like just super interesting and so i never looked
back So not being, not being ethical, non -monogamous,
how has it kind of, um, you know, if this is
too personal, let me know, but how has it, how
has it kind of, okay. Has it kind of led into
or fed into your personal sex life? Has, do you
think it's enhanced that in your relationships
and stuff like that? Yeah, for sure. And like,
listen, I always say because a lot of people
like, you know, put down labels and shit that
are out now. And I'm always like, oh, my God,
I wish there were labels for when I was growing
up because, you know, I'm a lot older than a
lot of people. And when I was growing up, if
you were like, you know, most girls were only
like fucking guys if they were dating them. Like
I fucked whoever I wanted. I'd have three guys
I was banging at the same time. I was considered
slutty back then and open minded because I never
really wanted to get married. I had sex just
for the pleasure of it. I didn't need to be in
love to fuck around. I had some threesomes and
stuff. like girls only but you know back then
i might have been like oh maybe i'm polly because
i could like you know have three guys at one
time like maybe i would have considered myself
you know had a real flexible because i hooked
up a woman but we didn't have those labels so
i just felt like oh i was like slutty and crazy
back then but i really wasn't and you know i've
had I'm not the type of person that's been locked
down in relationships my whole life. So I basically
have been non -monogamous because I do whatever
the fuck I want. And I totally, though, because
of my show, I would not have a monogamous relationship
ever. That was one of the reasons why I never
thought I could get married because I didn't
think I could stay interested in one person for
my whole fucking life. So, yeah, my show has
really opened my mind to the possibilities of,
you know, probably the best place I should be
living, which is in the ethically non -monogamous
world. Yeah, yeah. You know me. I love it. It
completed my journey since I was 19 to understand
dating and women and marriage and stuff like
that. It was it was the cap to everything and
it broke everything open. I love it. So we know
you have your book. What's the name of your book,
girl? Oh, well, it's called Strictly Anonymous.
It's called Strictly Anonymous Confessions. And
the tagline is secret sex lives of total strangers.
And basically I took like, it's 17 short stories.
I wouldn't say it's total erotica because I don't
really, even though I'm a woman, I'm like more
like a guy. Like I don't like a lot of adjectives
and I don't really like pure erotica kind of
stuff. It's like, it's like I took stories from
my show, 17 different topics that I talk about,
like girls that are into gang things. I have
a hot wife girl on there. you know a fetish story
I have a gilf porn star I have a milf who has
threesomes and gangbangs you know I took everything
I talk about on my show wrote them in third person
so they're basically like 17 short hot stories
but they're all true which I think is super interesting
you know I mean it's not erotica book because
these are true stories it's kind of like a penthouse
forum stories but these are true and what I think
is interesting is like people could read these
stories they're very short they all have a beginning
a middle and an end and then they could go hear
the real people actually telling the stories.
Like everything in the book is actually real
and taken from the conversations I've had. And
I think, and I'm sure you'll agree, like, because
you're doing a podcast to get this information
out there. What I like about my book getting
out there is there's plenty of people that find
my podcast, but I'm hoping other people find
my book that don't listen to my podcast. So they
could kind of learn what I think is the point
of my show, which is that a lot of people in
the vanilla world don't really believe that non
-monogamy can work. The typical thing is, oh,
the minute you open up your room. relationship
it's doomed for failure and i'm here to say i've
talked to over 1300 people and uh i want people
to know that maybe it's not something that everyone
should do i totally get that but i want what
i think is important for people to know is that
not only can it work when it does work it actually
brings people closer together and i have tons
of proof of that on my show so Yeah, so I think
it's important for people to read these stories
and know that this is what real fucking people
do. And they're not, like, different than anybody
else, you know? And I just think that a lot of
people don't talk about it. So I think it's super
interesting. So that's what, you know, that's
the book. And it's available anywhere where you
buy books. I love it. I love it. We'll put all
that information in a link to your book and your
show to our show notes. Yeah, perfect. Yeah.
Also, then you said they can go listen to the
real stories in the book. Do you reference which
podcast number? Yes. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. There's
a podcast episode number for everybody. Yep.
And then what's interesting is when I. Wait,
I started my Patreon and I started putting pictures
of my guests there, like, you know, anonymous
pictures there. So you could hear the people
and then you could go join my Patreon and then
you could see the people, which is super interesting.
So then they could actually go see the people.
Because you know what? When I was doing this
with my editor, like one of the guys that were
editing my book, he was like, oh, I just wonder
what these people look like. I'm like, I'll fucking
send you pictures of what they look like. And
he was very surprised that they were like hot
women and gorgeous looking people and stuff.
Because I think sometimes people don't. understand
that like hot people do these kinds of things
for some reason i don't know they think that
we're like trolls under a bridge or something
oh my goodness that pisses me off yeah i'm so
ugly that i got 11 guys to fuck me in one night
that doesn't even make sense That's hilarious.
Exactly. Think about it. You're right. But isn't
that like sometimes somehow that's like a weird
word on the street. And I'm like, that's another
thing I'm here to say. No, these people are fucking
hot. If you see Candy, who's like in my episode,
I mean, she's a fucking 10 and she's, you know,
hot as shit. So there you go. And there's something
for everyone to like looks wise, like what I'm
attracted to someone else isn't like some women
are like they want this and I want that. You
know, it's a buffet. A buffet of deliciousness.
As it should be. I think, unfortunately, women
don't understand that. You know, I think we're
just so much more insecure about stuff that most
guys don't want. Guys, I think, are, you know,
they like everything, right? You know what I
mean? Most guys. Women just think you have to
be skinny and that's it. But I think guys are
more cool. Whatever. So anyway. I know way better
than that. Once I got divorced and then, like,
you know, had my first black man, then I was
like, oh. I don't have to be a size two for you
to like want to ravish me. Because that's what
I had been brainwashed to believe before that.
So I love this. Sure. So can I share with you
a little kind of, you know, a philosophical perspective
I have on that? And I really love what you said.
So I think there's three categories. Now, I'm
kind of a nerd. And I'm not big into Harry Potter,
but I've seen every single one of them. And I
have, there's ethical non -monogamous people,
there's vanilla people, and then I have what's
called muggles. And for those that don't understand.
I love the muggles. For those that don't know,
haven't watched any Harry Potter episodes. Muggles
are people who are just, it's kind of like the
way we call vanilla people, just not, not. witches
and warlocks so if you're not a witch and a warlock
that means you don't have any magic in your life
and i think ethical non -monogamy is magical
vanilla people are all the people who say and
i don't get it it's not for me and i'm not judging
it but it's not for me and i don't it doesn't
i'm too jealous of for that but and it's you
know we have both of us have friends that are
like Well, I don't know that I have any anymore,
but as Siren does, who says, you know, it's great.
It's wonderful. And they love that we are philosophical
about it and we take it seriously and we have
protocols and we have barriers and protection.
Yeah. All of that. They love that. But they're
like, not for me. Thanks. Good. And trust me,
Siren is a recruiter. You mess around with her
for a while. She will start getting to try to
not recruit you, but talk about the. the greatness
but muggles i would say i'm an educator versus
yeah you're right you're right you're right because
i have one friend that i've been talking to her
about it since i got into it because i've had
been friends with her for like 25 years and she
always checks in once in a while you still into
that you know like you're still enjoying it you
know what are you liking about it right now you
know um and then i said something to her to the
effect where oh you could just come to this party
you could just watch and she said wait a second
i can just go and watch And now she wants to
go to a party with me. You know what I mean?
Because she's like, oh, I just love watching
people. So I'm like, oh, all right. And so the
muggles are people who are judgmental. They are
fearful. They're assholes. They assume like the
one you were talking about. Oh, you're a bunch.
I've heard that. It's just a bunch of, you know,
sixes and below. And I'm like, or what's really
pissing me off. And y 'all check out the episode.
No Diddy. Is that people associating what Diddy
did. P Diddy. with lifestyle because i'm telling
you right now he only had i know it's terrible
he only had one lifestyle bull and a lot of crap
he was doing is not lifestyle so those are muggles
so speaking of muggles um i'd love to hear some
of the stuff that you get that are not like fans
like some what are the top bullshit excuses or
stuff that you hear that's from people that are
hating on it Oh, you know, really? Because when
I was on YouTube, I saw a lot more. comments
right and i love being on youtube because i actually
do like discussing this kind of stuff even after
i stop talking to the people you know what i
mean i love the conversations that come afterwards
right i have those conversations on patreon but
youtube was a big place to have that because
the comment section right and one of the biggest
things and this doesn't go so much with the muggles
thing that you were talking about but a lot of
times with the hot wiping scenario you know i
got you know a lot of people have a lot of things
wrong you know they see the guys that are into
hot wiping like a it's not fair if the because
the wife not fucking anybody else or it's very
tit for tat you know people looking from the
outside a lot of times get things wrong and that's
why personally I talk to people for a whole hour
okay and I get their whole life story so if you
listen to the whole thing I think you get a full
understanding of it yet people are still listening
like with blinders on or something I don't know
because a lot of times they think things are
unfair or they think people are doomed to hell
or this isn't going to work out long term and
and and it's like I could they couldn't be more
wrong I'm sorry I've talked to over 1300 people
So at this point, I really feel like I've done
the study. Seriously, like I've heard Dr. Drew
talk and he's like the biggest fucking asshole.
He makes comments about the non -monogamy world
as if he's ever known one person. Probably all
of his friends are swingers and he just doesn't
know it. He's kind of, I think they're jealous.
They're jealous because they just end up cheating.
He's catering to the majority. I think he's just
doing it. I think he's just, there's, so, you
know, I studied. There's too many research. There's
too much research showing that we actually have
great metrics in happiness, longevity, sex life,
all of that. Exactly. Actually, we have 10 times
more sex, but we're the same level of STIs that
the regular population is. I think it's just
a financial grab, honestly. I think it's just
playing a role. Totally, that's what I think.
I lived in Hollywood. I think it's just playing
a role. So you can share one in the book or out
of the book, but what's your favorite? Like,
do you have a like, no, this one is the one right
here or a couple? No. I usually say, what's the
first thing that pops in your head when we ask
the question? That's a better question, yeah.
Yeah, because it's impossible to choose a favorite.
Well, what's the topic? Only because it's like.
I can't even. Like, because, listen, I do so
many different things. I'm like, some people
are just lifestyle podcasts. Some people are
just hot wifing podcasts. Some people are just,
you know, fetish podcasts. I have everything
on my show. I'm not niche at all, right? I'll
talk to cheaters that aren't even in the ethically
non -monogamous world. I talk to hot wife people.
I talk to people that have gang bangs. I talk
to trans people. I talk to guys who likes to
wear, you know, pantyhose. So it's so hard to
say because. I generally am like psychotically
curious and interested in people. I could go,
anybody is interesting to me and everything is
interesting to me. So it's hard to say. I sometimes
love stories that have nothing to do with sex.
Like I had this one guy on Jamal who wanted to
come on the show and he kind of pitched it. Like,
I'll tell you all like the gay sex that's happening
in prison because he was in prison for selling
drugs. And honestly, like his episode was so
much more than just prison sex. and how and why
he wound up there, what happened to him while
he was there, the sex that he had, and then the
rehabilitation he had and how he came out of
it and how good he was doing after. That's the
kind of shit I fucking love. It's like reading
a good biography. I do love stories that read
like a book and maybe have a tragic beginning
or some sort of thing that someone overcome.
I love that. But a lot of times I'm not getting
that on my show, but I still love it because
I'm having stories where people are just talking
about how successful they are at having all this
great sex. what I'm getting so it's hard to just
pick like a best one I'm just and it's always
like I whenever I think I'm never gonna get like
a great one again I I fucking get hit with one
like I just had one taped the other day that
has not aired yet that really had me fucking
going and not in a good way in a very emotional
way like I typically I'm like I am no one's moral
police okay I'm not here to tell you what you
should do or shouldn't do right like I feel like
everyone makes those rules for themselves but
this guy had a little non -consensual thing where
he set up his wife without her knowing and brought
in a bull and all this shit that you would be
like red flags galore your whole brotherhood
would be so anti his fucking thing yeah and honestly
i was the whole story had me fucking going but
to me it's a great episode though i mean i hung
up i was like oh my god this is going to be a
good one because it's going to be so salacious
and stuff so I can't, it's really hard for me
to pick a favorite. Like, cause literally I think
I'm, I'm posting my 1365th one tomorrow. So it's
hard out of that. If I had like a hundred, maybe
it'd be easy to pick, but I've just had too many.
You just love the game. That's what I'm hearing.
You just love the game. You love this. You love
this. This is what I love to do. Yeah. Yeah.
And when you love it, you, you see beauty in
all of it. Right. And you actually answered my
second, my second question was going to be what
grinds your gears? the most and is that it like
the the stories that are violating people's consent
or something that crosses no no no what grinds
your gears no i don't like Yeah, no, I don't
like to get that emotional. I like to be impartial
on my shows and just go with people's stories.
No, like I said, I promise you and anyone that
knows me in my life knows that if I met you,
Socrates, or you, Siren, if, Siren, you were
at a barbecue that I was at and you sat next
to me, I'd say, what's your name? And you'd say,
Siren. Then I'd ask you another question and
then you'd answer and then I'd ask you. And I
would do exactly what I do to the people on my
show. This is what I do for my own interest on
a daily basis. The fact that I... figured out
how to create a show and I get to do this and
this pays my bills. And this is like now my business
and my career is like mind blowing to me because
it's literally like what I love to do. And it's
interesting to me. Like I said, I don't do small
talk. My brain needs all of these conversations
to keep interested. So I've never been more or
less bored. I'm like so fulfilled in my life.
I literally take two people a day every day,
except like Sundays and Tuesdays. So I'm just
like constantly having these. amazing conversations
with total strangers. I never have one like question
written. I don't know where the fuck it's going
to go. And I just grill them and learn their
story. And that's and I just like love it. I'm
never bored. I'm always interested. And so that's
what keeps me going because it's just like what
I love to do. Like they say that cliche thing,
like find what you just like to do naturally
and and then do it for a living. I didn't get
paid for my podcast. I didn't monetize my podcast
for the first like seven years or eight years.
I only started to monitor. it in 2020 when my
son was going back to school and I'm like okay
I'm not going to be a stay -at -home mom anymore
that was important for me to stay home with my
kid but once he went to school like now what
are we going to do you know and that's when I
decided to instead of going back to an office
to maybe try to monetize my show but I did my
show for seven eight years just because I fucking
loved it and I never missed an episode and I
continued to do it and uh it was always like
something that I enjoyed so I that's what gets
me going And honestly, I also love the back end
to it. I don't have anyone that works for me.
I have seven episodes a week. I do the editing.
I do the writing. I do the taping. I do my Patreon.
I have 2 ,500 people. I have a Discord with 6
,000 people. I'm talking to those people. I do
contests. I love every aspect of everything that
I do. So I just, you know, that's what keeps
me going. Well, I'm good for you because, man,
we own several businesses. We wouldn't survive
without my boy Julius. We would just about get
one of our assistants to help us. With this show
and hire another one, man, but big ups to you
because I couldn't do it. I hate editing. You
hear me, my boy, Julius? Yes, I like it. I like
it. I like just getting on and just talking to
people like. I'll grab people last minute all
the time. And they're just like, well, what are
we going to do? And I said, we're just going
to have a conversation. And if you think of it
any deeper than that, like you're going to stress
yourself out. You're going to get anxiety. It's
like, no, it's just a conversation between two
people. And we're just going to see where it
goes. You know? And don't you find I had a guy
on the other day and he actually hung up on me
in the middle of it. And he was like, you're
being like you were doing what I thought you
were going to do. And I thought and I was like,
you know, by far, I have not listened to the
podcast yet. I mean, like you're going to be
really blunt and bold. No, it's not even grilling.
Yeah. No, it's going to go wherever it needs
to go. And any guest that comes onto my show
and they have questions already written or bullet
notes that they think I'm going to follow or
they think it's going to go a certain way, those
are always the worst guests because they're not
just going. I'm like you. I have conversations
with someone. I feel like my show is like a blank
canvas when I get on the phone. And then what
is created at the end, I had no fucking idea
it was going to come out that way, but I'm always
happy. So there you go. And when people are trying
to control it, that's when we get a bad episode.
And that's when I get irritated. And I can always
tell those people because, like you said, they
get anxious because they don't know what's going
on. It's a control thing. They had it in their
mind. Yeah, they had it in their mind. And don't
tell you. And that's not going to make for a
good show. different people will tell you like
oh you need to start it this way and have a hook
and do this well i tried to do a format at first
it stressed me the fuck out and you know what
and the people trying to get me to do the format
i was like you know what fuck this i'm just going
to talk to people i just want to get on there
and talk and if it works it works if it doesn't
it doesn't Because I can't stand. Oh, my God.
That's what my whole show is. That's how I write
books and, like, other papers and different things
is, like, I just start writing. Like, I can't
have, like, all this too much structure. I need
more creativity and room to run. So I like that
you. Yeah, I mean, I have a goal. Yeah, you have
a goal, but. Yeah, I mean, I have a goal. That's
very different than having, like, you know, seven
steps to have a podcast. You know what I mean?
That's me. You don't. Oh, no, I can't do it.
You know. Which is funny because I love to -do
lists and I love goals and things like that.
But in this kind of space, I want to free my
mind. Like the rest of my life is very structured.
It's very calendar tied. And, you know, when
I get on the podcast, if I've had the most tiring,
exhausting day, like I just feel rejuvenated
afterwards. It's like a natural, you know, high.
So, you know, and it sounds like with your love
for all of it, you know, that's a similar thing.
Would you say you have a natural high of just
being on there? Yeah. But I also feel that when
I'm just having a conversation and I'm not asking
like, just like stock questions and then, you
know, there's an answer. And then I asked another
one that like the, the natural conversation with
these people actually allows them to get very
comfortable and relax and then reveal more, you
know what I mean? Because it is a conversation.
They don't feel like I'm backing them into a
corner, you know? And so a lot of times people
get on the call and they're like, Oh my God,
I'm so nervous. I'm like, trust me in five minutes,
you're not even going to be thinking about it
because it's so natural. And it's a conversation
and that I think relaxes people. And for me to
get people to really open up and talk, like people
are telling me their deepest, darkest secrets.
A lot of times these people are on the DL or
what they're doing. Nobody knows about, you know,
and this is the first time they're talking and
they're on a show, you know? So it's like, people
are nervous, but that's the best way I think
to get people to relax and open up and tell me,
you know, all their stuff. And that's, what's
helpful for the audience to hear people's real
stories. And that's what they're hearing on my
show. Nobody holds back anything. There's no
reason to. Nobody knows who they are. I change
everybody's voices. I change everybody's names.
I don't ask them where they live or what they
do for a living. I tell people, send me a fake
email. I don't give a shit who you are. I don't
even care who they really are. I just like the
story, you know? Exactly. I love that. That's
it. Yeah. What was your next one? And I got great
stories. Yeah, you do. You do. Hey, wait, wait,
wait. I want to hear a story from your personal
sex life. You want to share something? We won't
tell nobody who it is. Just Kathy Kaye with strictly
anonymous confessions. Yeah, we'll cut that part
out. I mean, you got, I, it's like, I don't know
what story to tell. I did do, I, for my 500th
episode, I was like, oh, what should I do? And,
you know, because my audience, because I wound
up becoming anonymous and then I would put some
like halfway sort of videos of myself on, on
YouTube and on my website, people started to
be more interested in who I am and what I am.
And my show is about other people. So I rarely
talk about myself. And I typically, I'm only
going on other people's podcasts right now because
of my book, but I never went on anyone's podcast
at all. even for to grow my show I just never
did because what am I going to talk about But
I did do my 500th episode. I told them my whole
life story. You know, when there was like some
threesome stories, I don't know, like, what would
you be interested in hearing? I don't even know
when it comes to my sex life. I don't know. But
I did do an episode where I did talk about, you
know, all about me and my audience, like loved
it. Because like I said, I don't typically talk
about myself at all on my show. It's really a
focus on my guests. Well, what kind of what is
a story that really like you left that experience
feeling free? oh because my podcast freedom is
all about sexual freedom so what is an experience
that you left and you just were like the whole
thing was just freeing exhilarating whatever
other descriptors you want to use I mean, all
of them. I was never, I have to say, like, I
was never. Now stop it, Kathy. There's so many
people that are like, oh, all of them. I like
all the food. No, no, no. It's not about all
of them. I'm not going to let you get away with
that. I will. No, no, but you have to hear what
I'm leading with. Okay, first of all, I was,
I was. a type of woman that couldn't wait to
fuck. And from the minute I realized I had a
clit, like I was so curious. I wanted to have
sex when I was 15. I fucked guys. I was the first
one to tell my boyfriend I wanted anal when I
was 16. Like I never like had any kind of issues
being in touch with my sexuality. I never had
a problem with orgasm. I orgasmed every time
I knew how to tell a guy what the fuck to do.
I was great at sex from day one. I never was
like repressed. I never felt shame about anything.
I didn't have that kind of awakening. I will
say that I got, I did get sober. Like there was
a time and a part of my quitting drinking when
I was 34 was because I was just like waking up
next to people like, who the fuck are you? And
why the fuck did I fuck you? And I wasn't even
enjoying sex. always liked it and it was so important
to me that was like one of the reasons why i
quit and my numbers went very way down after
i got sober but sex only became great and better
when i did so you know sex was always great for
me i it was to me it was like one of the pleasures
in life and i got as much as i can like i said
i was never looking to get married or locked
down i always had booty calls i always got what
i wanted all the time i was never without it
i always felt it was important so i don't have
that one freeing moment you know when that will
come honestly siren in my future when I go to
like my first swingers club or when I have my
first threesome with two guys like stuff that
I haven't done yet you know what okay so what
are your top five things that are on your bucket
list then because we can definitely make them
happen for you Kathy like really fast you give
me a location and I will have excellent excellent
bulls to you stat Well, this is the thing. My
guy that I bang now. OK, I bet I'm a single mom.
I have a 10 year old and like my life is my kid
right now. And I will go back to dating, you
know, when he's a little bit older, doesn't need
me anymore. But in the meantime, I've always
had somebody servicing me. Right. So I do have
a booty call guy. Right. And he talked to me,
which was so fucking crazy because I realized
somewhere along the line doing my show that,
oh, I might be a cut queen because this guy wants
to send me a video of him like fucking somebody
else. And he was like, oh, that's true. But he
was sending it to me because it reminded. It
reminded him of me and he was pretending it was
me. But me seeing him fuck someone else was like
really turned me on. I'm like, oh, I'm a cuck
queen and I got that. But I never thought I would
be interested in banging guys for my guy. Right.
But after talking on my show and all these people,
I was like, I would do that for a guy. And I
just like threw that out to this guy that I've
been banging for like 10 years, who is actually
like one of my best friends. So we know each
other really well. He never told me he was interested
in anything like that. But I said to him one
day, oh, yeah, you know, because of my show.
What I do, like if I had a guy that I date next
and he's like, oh, he wants me to hotline for
him something, I would do it. Like, why not?
You know, and literally like two weeks later,
he sends me another video and he was like, I
would like you to do that for me, too. And I'm
like, what do you mean? And it turns out he was
like, I'd like you to fuck another guy for me.
And honestly, Siren, like I never realized that
I had that kink. The minute he said it to me,
the thought of like having sex with one guy and
then having him come over and fuck it like was
like the hottest thing on the. fucking plan it
to me i tried to make it happen i was like on
it emailing all my ex booty call guys trying
to have them come over just so it but so it has
has it happened or no it hasn't no it hasn't
no no okay well i'm gonna text you afterwards
i can't find a guy oh no i got him i got him
girl i'm gonna text you afterwards no no no they
are hooked you will thank me believe me i am
like the hookup queen with this babe Yeah, we're
literally actually creating services and thinking
about doing it professionally. She's amazing.
Yeah, but no, me and my girls, we know someone
in every area of the country, and they are all
guys that we have experienced. We're not pulling
some guy out of the gutter. Like, these are quality
bulls that know what the fuck they're doing.
And know how to respect your dynamic and everything.
And can take you through that experience from
start to finish, and you will be blown away.
So, I'm going to text you afterwards. Okay, but
it's not going to go anywhere because I have
to say like when I talk about it for myself,
okay, just because of the way that I'm wired,
I'm always like, oh, if I were to do it, I'd
go to like an old time booty call guy or somebody
that I already know because that's like was always
like the best sex for me. I'm not one that like
some guy I just meet is going to like come off
the street and I'm just going to fuck him. There
was a guy in my gym. He just looked like Jason
Momoa and I was like, oh my God, he was so hot.
He was like 25 and he was like the guy who took
my thing when I went in the gym and I was like
in a... rile him in because i know him but i
don't know that i could just like fuck a stranger
that's a problem if they listen if it if i was
going to take you up with the offer i could find
a guy tomorrow i live in new york city it's not
like a shortage of dudes that would just come
over and if i offered that up you know they wouldn't
do it they wouldn't be experienced like the right
situation yeah i know you're right i got it i
got it i'll i'll reach out to you when i'm ready
sounds good I'll respect that. What was interesting
was how turned on I got by it when I never knew
that. And that's like, I think, super interesting.
Right. It just goes to show that you never know.
And it's not like sex is like something that
you like, like one thing. And that's how you
are always like things could change. Right. And
so who knew? And now I know. And so that was
like interesting. That's on my list. Doing two
guys was always like something I'd mock up with
toys and stuff. But I would be like, oh, I would
never do in real life. But I totally would now.
You know, I like the cup cleaning thing. If I
had a guy, I'd love to see him with another girl,
you know? So there's like, I would love to experience
what a swingers club is like, you know? So all
the things that all my people on my show are
doing, I don't think I'm interested in gangbangs.
That happens to be something that women are really
into. It's not like my thing, but like, who knows?
Look, I didn't think I was hot wiping material,
but now I think I would. And if I, my next relationship
I went into, and I do want another relationship
where my son gets like, probably like a year
or two, I will have another. open relationship
like i do believe in that now and that's how
it would be set up that's so those are my top
five things i think i gave you five things i
love it i love it we love it can we ask you some
business questions because we're both in the
same business but i can see you doing it on a
high level um yeah yeah i um you know i think
and you know siren and i can openly disagree
without it being an issue like a lot of people
do or because a lot of times for me it's about
discovering why she thinks that way and eventually
i might even turn to her so you know she kind
of you know you said you waited seven years to
monetize she's kind of like knowing her because
she's um this woman is a emotional i'm gonna
say this right emotional financial wizard in
other words she knows the emotional tools you
need to master money She's a genius. I love it.
But she was like, no, no, you're losing money.
But I think about the social network, that movie,
and I learned, because I don't know how much
true this is, but I think about how what I like
about it is when Mark Zuckerberg, and who cares
what you think about him or Facebook, I just
want to tell this story, when he was like, when
they were pushing him to monetize, and he's like,
bro. You don't charge for a party until you know
what the party is and you know it's bomb. And
I was like, that's it. So my advice to you is
I actually started on the free site today, monetizing,
and I started on Patreon. What's your advice
on that role? Because you're such a straightforward
person. I think I could tell you this. I'm the
type of person, I know what I want. I don't need
any advertisements for it. I hate ads and I hate
those things, but I just put it on my free site
because we're going to monetize and we're going
to use that money to really do some great things.
We have our own businesses. We don't need this
money. It's something that I want to grow for
different reasons. I guess my question is, how
did you approach this? And what's been your feedback
on monetizing? How did you approach getting ads?
And have you had a lot of negative feedback from
it? What's the feedback been on it? Okay, where
should I start? Because I have so much to say,
but I love the business side of things. And once
I decided to monetize, you know, I learned a
lot as I went, right? And I do believe a lot
of times in business, people think the wrong
way. They think like you need to know how to
do everything before you start. And that's not
true. Like I didn't know anything about Patreon
when I started Patreon. I paid someone on Fiverr
to set up my fucking Patreon. I didn't know what
the fuck I did. And now I have over 2 ,500 paying
people. I probably have like 5 ,000 total, but
like literally that paid me. lot of money on
patreon and i didn't know what the fuck i was
doing like one thing i will say is just do it
whatever it is when it comes to ads i mean when
i decided to monetize i was like i'm gonna monetize
because it was i didn't have other gigs you know
what i mean i was a stay -at -home mom it was
like i go into office or not i think sometimes
when you don't need the money maybe you know
how do you get that fire under your ass there's
nothing like that fire under your ass right that
you want to make it and it's i don't know what
he's talking about i need that money Okay, so
if you need that money. I got spa services. Yeah,
ads are great for your show. And I never get
people that complain. And anybody that does,
I mean, come on. Like I am giving you free, podcasts
are free. People are listening for free. I am
working my ass off for free. Who do you think
pays for that free content? So I don't feel bad.
I'll never, I do an hour long show. Okay. So
I put ads in there and I love my ads because
I feel like, honestly, my advertisers are helping
my listeners. I have load boost. It really makes
your load taste better and increases it. It's
a real thing. And I fucking love my advertisers.
Have you tried the product yourself? No, I have
to give it to my guy. I'm just being funny. It's
not for women. What's it called? No, it's not
for women. No, you don't get what I'm asking,
but that's fine. Oh, meaning like, oh. You said
it tastes better. Are you confessing that it
does? I did. Just so you know, I gave it to my
guy. He took a bottle last time I saw him. There
you go, girl. I'll let you know. But everybody
claims that I've had real life experiences. But
you, it's, it's, listen, if you, the best ads
to get are people in the business, you know,
like, like, you know, load boost, Uber lube,
you know, lube companies and, you know, anything
that has to do with sex. There's plenty of advertisers
out there that are perfect for your audience,
you know, and that's the kind of stuff that you
want. And you going about getting them is I would
always like, you know, sort of go out. I'm with
an advertised cast. Like they get me ads. I get
ads myself. People email. me i actually also
used to like work my ass off sending emails out
to companies and try to get it so it's just like
in the beginning it's a hustle like anything
else whatever you're starting up whether it's
the ads whether it's patreon wherever you're
looking thinking to monetize but once you decide
i mean you have to make the decision that you
want to monetize first of all and that's what
you have you have siren over here saying she
wants the money and socrates saying i don't i
don't need it i don't really care but but you
have to like it has to be a decision that this
is what we want to do now and then you have to
just start doing the things that'll make it.
And once you start doing that, like to me, once
I started doing that, it's like, I mean, you
would fall off your chair if I told you how much
I make on my show. And once I started doing it,
it just grew and grew. I know, I'm a researcher,
trust me. I know. Right, so you, so you, yeah.
Go on. Yeah, so, no, no, no, I love it. So I
appreciate that. And I love all the advice. I'm
definitely going to follow it. And thank you,
because I was nervous about it, honestly. I literally
started - About ads? Yeah, because - About ads?
Yeah, because the reason why is because - You
know, you don't hear it, but I do. And we all,
us muggles with ads, complain about it. Oh, I
had to skip 10 times for that. And so I'm just
hearing the negativity. And so that's why I like
talking to other people, because I like to hear
your side of it, right? Yeah, don't care what
they say. I listen to plenty of podcasts of huge
people, okay? I'm like a reality TV people person.
You know what I mean? I listen to all that shit.
And they all have ads on their show. As far as
I'm concerned, if someone doesn't have ads on
their podcast, they're not like a real podcast.
You know what I mean? Every podcast has ads.
I skip through all of them like people do for
mine. And that's what I say to anybody that complains.
For the one person that complains about my intro
or my ads, I'm like, just skip through them like
I do. Every other podcast out there has them.
Everybody's getting... your show for free so
do not feel bad someone has to pay for your work
like no one's paying you how who's going to pay
me to do this my sponsors pay my ads pay my patreon
pays that's the way i could produce seven episodes
for people and you sit there and you're free
and you're complaining that you have to press
fast forward three times i do that on all the
shows i listen to too if no there's no shows
out there that don't have ads Yeah, I love it.
Sorry, that's just the way that it is. So do
not feel bad to have them on your show. Thank
you. Feel like you're helping them out because
you need to get paid so you can continue to make
this content for those people. Yeah, and we're
coming down the end. I got one other question
for you, but let me be clear, y 'all. Let me
be clear. I said I don't need the money, but
she said why the money is there. One, I want
to say two reasons why. First, what she said.
I like my wife. She's spoiled prissy bitch, and
I love financing that. Okay? Let's just be fucking
real. I love it, you guys. Yeah. She walks around
with that fat ring. I spent a lot of money for
that shit. She walks around, and she's spoiled
as shit. And you say, oh, your woman is a spoiled
bitch. That's right, motherfucker. I did it.
I spoiled her. I love it. That's one. Well, I'm
not a bitch. I mean, all the time. The second
one is, I am so philosophical. passionate, and
dare say spiritual about this lifestyle. I have
big things that I want to do. And some of it,
I don't want to charge a lot for it. So I want
to make money in other areas. So when the really
good stuff comes along, I just want people to
enjoy it. Because some of the best parties I've
gone to, my friends, they throw it and you're
like, man, why don't you charge for this? And
why don't you do that? And they're like, no,
man, you don't understand. I love this life.
I love these people. These are my friends. I
just want them to come and have a good time.
I don't want them to worry about that. And I'm
like, those are things, not everything in the
business we do. When I'm in the business, I'm
making money. and i'm gonna get it but there's
certain things i want to do in this lifestyle
that are just i'm passionate about and i these
are my friends man yeah but your show is free
you're not charging no you're right that's why
i started no that's why i started trust me i
started today yeah and we're getting and you
just gave me i just forgot about fiber i love
fiber and i was like sitting there like oh i
guess i'm gonna sit around and figure it out
I forgot to pay somebody 40 bucks and they'll
do it for you. I love it. And ChatGPT will give
them everything they need to plug in. I love
it. Oh my God. It's the fucking best. Imagine
if I had ChatGPT seven years ago. I mean, it
does everything for you in two fucking seconds,
all the Googling. So yeah, it's so easy to monetize.
And I learned a long time ago, like there was
a certain things, like I think that I had like
a subconscious, like fear of success or I didn't
deserve money. And like, honestly, like you gotta
change the mindset. Yep. Have you ever read your
Badass Not Making Money? No, but you want to
know what I did around COVID, right? When I started
to monetize, this is my little secret thing that
I don't believe I would have become successful
without. I mean, A, you have to be a hard worker.
I love work. I always say if I was a breed of
dog, I'd be the dog that you need to throw the
ball for all the time. Like I don't want to sit
around and sleep all day. Like I'm a very much
into working. So that's my vibe, right? So you
have to have that and you have to want to like
work and be good at business and all that. But
you also have to believe that you deserve it.
You know what I mean? Because there is a flow
of money. And I believe that the only reason
why I never made tons of cash in my life, because
I was always did really well in any job. My bosses
all loved me, blah, blah, you know, but I never
really sort of ranked in the cash was because
I had some sort of issue. So I got these subliminal
tapes by Kelly Howell. One was attract wealth.
while you work. It's literally, you put it in
your earbuds. Okay. You hear birds chirping and
like water going and some subliminal things that
are being talked about in the back of your head.
And it changed my fucking life. I make the same
amount of money in one ad that I used to make
in a whole week. And I have like six ads a week.
Like, I mean, it really like literally changed.
And it really was about changing my subconscious
mind to believe that I deserved it. Every, who
cares about like, why not have as much money
as you can? And for me, I want a lot of money
for the freedom. And it's the freedom that it
gives you. It's not about, like to me, you know
what I do? I have a problem with people chewing
loudly. I can't fucking stand someone sitting
next to me in the movie theater and eating popcorn.
So if I go to the movies alone, I buy the seat
next to me and I can and I don't have to worry
about it. You know what I mean? That's why I
like to have money. So I could do things and
make my life, I don't have to be aggravated and
I could have what I want and it's for the freedom.
And there's nothing wrong with wanting a lot
of it. It's available for you. You're not taking
from anybody. And you kind of have to believe.
that you deserve it yep so shameless plug for
jen sincero the book you are a badass i'm making
money she talks all about that um i listen to
it whenever whenever i get into a money funk
i listen to that but no no listen to my tapes
they're 10 times better yeah we're definitely
gonna send you the link Oh, yeah. It's insane.
You don't have to do anything. It's literally
you. I could work. It's beta and theta waves.
So it focuses you while you're working. So I
listen to it when I'm editing. I listen to it
when I'm writing. I listen to it all the time.
I still listen to it to this day. And I started
six years ago. She's right. I've done the research
on it. I've done the research on it. Unequivocal.
And the CIA had the recent one over there released
things. Because sometimes they let out information
they've had for 30 years. This has been known
for millennia. She's right. I can't do it because
the sounds drive me crazy. But I'm looking for
yours. Maybe you'll be the first one. No, no,
but sounds drive me crazy. That's what she was
trying to say. No, I have issues with any kind
of sound. This is not that kind of sound. Trust
me. You know how sometimes my teeth squeak when
I eat? Yeah, she's talking about. No, no, no.
Right. But you're saying these tapes don't affect
you and you're relating. No. And I am. That's
the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. I'm excited. Yeah,
that's great. I love it. I have misophonia. I
can't listen to people chewing. I can't listen
to tapping. I can't listen to sounds. It gets
me just, I think maybe I'm ADHD or something.
Trust me, this actually focuses your brain. It's
nothing distracting at all. Trust me, it'll change
your life. And I've sent it to only select people.
I don't really talk about it that much. Sometimes
I was like, I should do a whole episode on it
because I may create my own because I could sell
the shit out of it because it works like fucking
magic. And anyone that I did it to, it changed
their life. You just got to listen to it. Trust
me, you'll see. to read a book actually better
do it we'll start right away sold sold send us
the link okay yeah so you know i will was uh
anything else you want to say or plug yourself
or anything else before we get out of here tell
us again what the name of your book is so people
and what platforms right but i also want to listen
i I also do want to say I want to plug your guys'
episodes. You, Brian, Siren, Socrates, you've
all been on my show. You guys gave me great episodes.
I got such great feedback from all of you guys
when you were on my show, just so you know. Okay,
so thank you so much for coming on my show. But
also thanks for having me, letting me promote
my book. It is called Strictly Non -Misconfession,
Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. It's available
in e -book format. It's only $9 .99 in paperback.
And then the audio book will be out soon. So
they can get it anywhere. They get booked and
then they could get my podcast, you know, anywhere
they listen to your podcast. But thanks so much
for having me on your show. This was fun to talk
to you guys. Yeah. Thank you, Kathy. And thank
you to all of our listeners and this Brian Morgan,
you know, he does so much better with the intros
and outros. We miss you, Brian. We'll talk to
you a little bit, but for everybody else. Have
a great night from the Bull Brotherhood. Bye,
you guys. Bye. bull brotherhood luxury