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Well, this is the thing, my guy that I bang now.

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Okay. I've been a, I'm a single mom. I have a

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10 year old and like my life is my kid right

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now. And I will go back to dating, you know,

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when he's a little bit older, it doesn't need

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me anymore. But in the meantime, I've always

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had somebody servicing me. Right. So I do have

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a booty call guy. Right. And he copped to me,

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which was so fucking crazy. Cause I realized

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somewhere along the line doing my show that,

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Oh, I might be a cut queen because this guy wants

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to send me a video of him, like fucking somebody

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else. And he was like, Oh, this room, but he

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was sending it to me because it reminded. And

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it reminded him of me and he was pretending it

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was me. But me seeing him fuck someone else was

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like really turned me on. I'm like, oh, I'm a

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cuck queen and I got that. But I never thought

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I would be interested in banging guys for my

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guy. This podcast contains explicit adult content,

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mature themes, and candid conversations about

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sex, dominance, power exchange, and ethical non

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-monogamy. It is intended for audiences 18 and

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of the hosts, producers, or affiliated brands.

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entertainment, and empowerment purposes only.

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as legal advice, medical guidance, or psychological

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counseling. We speak from experience, not credentials.

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Always practice consent, respect the boundaries

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of others, and follow local laws. If you're not

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comfortable with frank talk about sex, kink,

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dominance, or emotional power, this probably

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isn't the show for you. But if you're ready to

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step into your masculine edge and embrace a lifestyle

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that demands mastery, welcome to the Brotherhood.

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Welcome to the Bull Brotherhood podcast, where

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we talk power, pleasure, and the art of dominance

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in ethical non -monogamy. This is not your average

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lifestyle podcast. This is for men who lead,

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men who master, and men who leave a lasting impression.

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If you're here, you're not just curious. You're

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ready to elevate. So to all the bulls, hot wives,

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stags, and open -minded explorers, we see you.

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Let's go. What's good, y 'all? What's good? It's

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your boy, Socrates in the house. I miss Brian

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already. Yeah, I am not. Listen, I am not the

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introduction extraordinaire. That is Brian Morgan.

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I am Socrates, the philosophical guy that will

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think too much in his head about it. So, welcome

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to another episode of the Bull Brotherhood podcast.

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As Unk says, this is a special one, but I want

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to give a little personal testimony, y 'all,

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and a touch of what this means to me. So, when

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I started my lifestyle journey, I started with

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four podcasts. I started with the Keys and Inklings

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podcast. What's up, my boy Michael? Michael C.

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Check him out. I started with the We Got a Thing

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podcast. I don't think they're podcasting anymore.

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What's up, y 'all, if you're listening? And I

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did the Stack Stable podcast, and I did Strictly

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Anonymous Confessions. And guess who we got on

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the show, y 'all? Kathy K. What's up, Kathy?

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How you doing, girl? I think you're great at

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introing. I don't know how Brian typically does

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it, but you're doing a good job as far as I'm

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concerned. I got to give him shit, Kathy, because

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he didn't even introduce me and say that I'm

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here with you. She's so loud and proud. I ain't

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got to introduce shit. Well, Brian, Brian, he

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always makes me feel special. So, Kathy, we're

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so excited to bring you on. You were one of the

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people that I listened to. We talked about it.

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I was listening to you from Jump. And, you know,

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we always like to get into the origin stories.

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We know you have a new book that you're really

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excited about sharing. We'll get into that. But,

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like, I'm a curious guy. I use the Socratic method

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of questioning. You know, I love it. And my first

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question to you is, what got you motivated or

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inspired to do your podcast? I kind of like this

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question because I think my story is kind of

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interesting because it's like. It's kind of like,

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it was very unintentional. I have to say like

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I, and I started podcasting a long time ago,

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like when I, and lucky me, right. Because there

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weren't many podcasts when I started. So it was

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easy for me to build an audience back then. Right.

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Because nobody had podcasts. We're talking like

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11, 12 years ago when typically there was a lot

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of comedians, right. They were like doing podcasts

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back then. And I had a lot of comedian friends

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because I worked in entertainment and I worked

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with comedians and they were always like, Oh,

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Kathy, you should start a podcast. Cause I love

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to like, I'm like you Socrates. very curious

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and if I if you sat across from me I would at

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a party I would do to you what I do to all my

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guests on my show which is like pick apart your

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life ask you a million questions you tell me

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one thing and I want to know 10 more things and

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I'm just not in the lifestyle yeah can't you

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can't turn me on like that woman come on now

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you're not in the lifestyle don't talk to me

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like that don't talk to me like that turn me

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on you're talking dirty oh my god I think that's

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a part of my I think that's a part of my charm

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on my show because I'm not in the lifestyle.

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And so when I did start out, my friends would

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be like, oh, you should start your own show because

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I wanted to. Maybe you find this too, Socrates.

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When you are the kind of person that's super

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curious and always want to. I don't do little

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talk or what the fuck is that? Plain talk. Small

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talk. Small talk, yeah. I don't even know the

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term because I'm just not interested ever. I'm

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like deep talk 24 -7. And people get fucking

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sick of that kind of stuff. to that kind of stuff

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siren yeah yeah yep oh but hey you can have him

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call kathy and ask her you guys can ask each

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other a billion questions it'll be great No,

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but that's why you guys make a good couple. Right.

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Because like, honestly, I have plenty of friends

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that don't want to fucking hear. And that's why

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I started my show, because I'm like, you know

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what? Like, I love to do this and I love to do

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that, you know, and ask people a million questions.

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But my friends are like totally sick of me trying

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to analyze their shit. So why don't I do like

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a call in advice show? So literally it was going

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to be like a Dear Abby show. Right. And I just

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wanted to talk to people about anything. I'll

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talk to someone about any kind of problem they

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have or any kind of life story is interesting

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to me. And I needed. callers to call in right

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and so i didn't the only reason why i became

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anonymous and everything was kind of by accident

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i didn't want to go on facebook at the time uh

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and look for people because i didn't want anyone

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to know what i was doing because i was like petrified

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that if i like my show would suck then everyone

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would know right so i just wanted to do it privately

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because i didn't know what was going to happen

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so i went on to craigslist and honestly the only

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reason why i went into the personals is because

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it was the only free play to post an ad so i

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posted like my ad looking for people to call

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into a podcast, a regular podcast in like every

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casual encounters, men for men, women for women,

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like all those places because it was free. And

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honestly. I got like the first five emails I

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got for real were my first five episodes. And

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they were like the craziest fucking stories from

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guys I had ever heard. And that's how and I like

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by that time, I had no name for my show. I didn't

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know that people were going to be anonymous.

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I didn't know that I was going to be anonymous.

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I didn't know my show was going to be about sex.

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But it became about this whole thing because

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I used Craigslist. It was like the gift that

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kept on giving. I had like struck gold and the

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people I would find on there and the stories.

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i would get were like fucking killer and then

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when i added in making them anonymous because

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most people were anonymous on craigslist anyway

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and created the the title of my show and then

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i got to hear all these interesting stories it

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was like that's how my show came to be that's

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dope yeah and so talk to me about the transition

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from like oh whoever to being like no i'm gonna

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focus on this part of it how did you niche down

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to that Oh, because it was only Craigslist. Once

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I got those five emails, it was like one guy,

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like I'm fucking my best friend's brother's wife

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and he's the sheriff in the town. Another guy

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was like, I can only get off when I go down on

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a woman, not through penetration. Another guy

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was a dom and another guy was this guy named

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John that was like hot wifing back then when

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hot wifing didn't even have a name. So I'm sorry

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when these... things came into me i was like

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this is the only thing i'm gonna do because this

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is like super interesting i was always someone

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that was very open about sex i talked about it

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a lot I I'm very nonjudgmental, you know? And

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so that's why it became what it was because I

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found this niche and there was so much content

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and it was such interesting stories for my curious

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brain. Like I was never going to get bored, like

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rifling through Craigslist on a daily basis.

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And that's what I had to do. I had to hustle

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for many years in the beginning to get callers,

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even just for one day a week. Now I don't have

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to do that, but I did in the beginning and I

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worked my ass off finding people. And I learned

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a lot about what was going on out there in the

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real world. Okay. Fetish. hot wifing you know

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guys that like to sniff panties cheating guy

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and guy action you you name it i found it on

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craigslist and i learned all about it it was

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like just super interesting and so i never looked

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back So not being, not being ethical, non -monogamous,

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how has it kind of, um, you know, if this is

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too personal, let me know, but how has it, how

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has it kind of, okay. Has it kind of led into

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or fed into your personal sex life? Has, do you

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think it's enhanced that in your relationships

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and stuff like that? Yeah, for sure. And like,

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listen, I always say because a lot of people

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like, you know, put down labels and shit that

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are out now. And I'm always like, oh, my God,

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I wish there were labels for when I was growing

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up because, you know, I'm a lot older than a

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lot of people. And when I was growing up, if

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you were like, you know, most girls were only

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like fucking guys if they were dating them. Like

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I fucked whoever I wanted. I'd have three guys

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I was banging at the same time. I was considered

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slutty back then and open minded because I never

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really wanted to get married. I had sex just

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for the pleasure of it. I didn't need to be in

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love to fuck around. I had some threesomes and

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stuff. like girls only but you know back then

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i might have been like oh maybe i'm polly because

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i could like you know have three guys at one

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time like maybe i would have considered myself

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you know had a real flexible because i hooked

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up a woman but we didn't have those labels so

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i just felt like oh i was like slutty and crazy

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back then but i really wasn't and you know i've

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had I'm not the type of person that's been locked

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down in relationships my whole life. So I basically

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have been non -monogamous because I do whatever

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the fuck I want. And I totally, though, because

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of my show, I would not have a monogamous relationship

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ever. That was one of the reasons why I never

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thought I could get married because I didn't

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think I could stay interested in one person for

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my whole fucking life. So, yeah, my show has

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really opened my mind to the possibilities of,

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you know, probably the best place I should be

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living, which is in the ethically non -monogamous

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world. Yeah, yeah. You know me. I love it. It

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completed my journey since I was 19 to understand

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dating and women and marriage and stuff like

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that. It was it was the cap to everything and

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it broke everything open. I love it. So we know

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you have your book. What's the name of your book,

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girl? Oh, well, it's called Strictly Anonymous.

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It's called Strictly Anonymous Confessions. And

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the tagline is secret sex lives of total strangers.

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And basically I took like, it's 17 short stories.

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I wouldn't say it's total erotica because I don't

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really, even though I'm a woman, I'm like more

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like a guy. Like I don't like a lot of adjectives

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and I don't really like pure erotica kind of

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stuff. It's like, it's like I took stories from

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my show, 17 different topics that I talk about,

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like girls that are into gang things. I have

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a hot wife girl on there. you know a fetish story

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I have a gilf porn star I have a milf who has

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threesomes and gangbangs you know I took everything

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I talk about on my show wrote them in third person

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so they're basically like 17 short hot stories

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but they're all true which I think is super interesting

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you know I mean it's not erotica book because

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these are true stories it's kind of like a penthouse

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forum stories but these are true and what I think

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is interesting is like people could read these

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stories they're very short they all have a beginning

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a middle and an end and then they could go hear

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the real people actually telling the stories.

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Like everything in the book is actually real

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and taken from the conversations I've had. And

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I think, and I'm sure you'll agree, like, because

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you're doing a podcast to get this information

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out there. What I like about my book getting

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out there is there's plenty of people that find

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my podcast, but I'm hoping other people find

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my book that don't listen to my podcast. So they

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could kind of learn what I think is the point

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of my show, which is that a lot of people in

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the vanilla world don't really believe that non

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-monogamy can work. The typical thing is, oh,

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the minute you open up your room. relationship

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it's doomed for failure and i'm here to say i've

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talked to over 1300 people and uh i want people

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to know that maybe it's not something that everyone

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should do i totally get that but i want what

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i think is important for people to know is that

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not only can it work when it does work it actually

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brings people closer together and i have tons

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of proof of that on my show so Yeah, so I think

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it's important for people to read these stories

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and know that this is what real fucking people

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do. And they're not, like, different than anybody

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else, you know? And I just think that a lot of

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people don't talk about it. So I think it's super

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interesting. So that's what, you know, that's

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the book. And it's available anywhere where you

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buy books. I love it. I love it. We'll put all

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that information in a link to your book and your

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show to our show notes. Yeah, perfect. Yeah.

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Also, then you said they can go listen to the

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real stories in the book. Do you reference which

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podcast number? Yes. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. There's

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a podcast episode number for everybody. Yep.

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And then what's interesting is when I. Wait,

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I started my Patreon and I started putting pictures

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of my guests there, like, you know, anonymous

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pictures there. So you could hear the people

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and then you could go join my Patreon and then

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you could see the people, which is super interesting.

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So then they could actually go see the people.

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Because you know what? When I was doing this

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with my editor, like one of the guys that were

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editing my book, he was like, oh, I just wonder

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what these people look like. I'm like, I'll fucking

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send you pictures of what they look like. And

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he was very surprised that they were like hot

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women and gorgeous looking people and stuff.

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Because I think sometimes people don't. understand

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that like hot people do these kinds of things

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for some reason i don't know they think that

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we're like trolls under a bridge or something

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oh my goodness that pisses me off yeah i'm so

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ugly that i got 11 guys to fuck me in one night

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that doesn't even make sense That's hilarious.

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Exactly. Think about it. You're right. But isn't

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that like sometimes somehow that's like a weird

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word on the street. And I'm like, that's another

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thing I'm here to say. No, these people are fucking

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hot. If you see Candy, who's like in my episode,

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I mean, she's a fucking 10 and she's, you know,

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hot as shit. So there you go. And there's something

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for everyone to like looks wise, like what I'm

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attracted to someone else isn't like some women

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are like they want this and I want that. You

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know, it's a buffet. A buffet of deliciousness.

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As it should be. I think, unfortunately, women

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don't understand that. You know, I think we're

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just so much more insecure about stuff that most

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guys don't want. Guys, I think, are, you know,

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they like everything, right? You know what I

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mean? Most guys. Women just think you have to

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be skinny and that's it. But I think guys are

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more cool. Whatever. So anyway. I know way better

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than that. Once I got divorced and then, like,

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you know, had my first black man, then I was

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like, oh. I don't have to be a size two for you

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to like want to ravish me. Because that's what

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I had been brainwashed to believe before that.

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So I love this. Sure. So can I share with you

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a little kind of, you know, a philosophical perspective

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I have on that? And I really love what you said.

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So I think there's three categories. Now, I'm

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kind of a nerd. And I'm not big into Harry Potter,

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but I've seen every single one of them. And I

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have, there's ethical non -monogamous people,

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there's vanilla people, and then I have what's

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called muggles. And for those that don't understand.

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I love the muggles. For those that don't know,

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haven't watched any Harry Potter episodes. Muggles

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are people who are just, it's kind of like the

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way we call vanilla people, just not, not. witches

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and warlocks so if you're not a witch and a warlock

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that means you don't have any magic in your life

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and i think ethical non -monogamy is magical

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vanilla people are all the people who say and

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i don't get it it's not for me and i'm not judging

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it but it's not for me and i don't it doesn't

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i'm too jealous of for that but and it's you

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know we have both of us have friends that are

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like Well, I don't know that I have any anymore,

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but as Siren does, who says, you know, it's great.

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It's wonderful. And they love that we are philosophical

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about it and we take it seriously and we have

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protocols and we have barriers and protection.

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Yeah. All of that. They love that. But they're

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like, not for me. Thanks. Good. And trust me,

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Siren is a recruiter. You mess around with her

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for a while. She will start getting to try to

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not recruit you, but talk about the. the greatness

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but muggles i would say i'm an educator versus

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yeah you're right you're right you're right because

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i have one friend that i've been talking to her

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about it since i got into it because i've had

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been friends with her for like 25 years and she

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always checks in once in a while you still into

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that you know like you're still enjoying it you

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know what are you liking about it right now you

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know um and then i said something to her to the

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effect where oh you could just come to this party

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you could just watch and she said wait a second

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i can just go and watch And now she wants to

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go to a party with me. You know what I mean?

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Because she's like, oh, I just love watching

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people. So I'm like, oh, all right. And so the

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muggles are people who are judgmental. They are

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fearful. They're assholes. They assume like the

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one you were talking about. Oh, you're a bunch.

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I've heard that. It's just a bunch of, you know,

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sixes and below. And I'm like, or what's really

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pissing me off. And y 'all check out the episode.

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No Diddy. Is that people associating what Diddy

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did. P Diddy. with lifestyle because i'm telling

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you right now he only had i know it's terrible

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he only had one lifestyle bull and a lot of crap

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he was doing is not lifestyle so those are muggles

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so speaking of muggles um i'd love to hear some

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of the stuff that you get that are not like fans

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like some what are the top bullshit excuses or

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stuff that you hear that's from people that are

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hating on it Oh, you know, really? Because when

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I was on YouTube, I saw a lot more. comments

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right and i love being on youtube because i actually

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do like discussing this kind of stuff even after

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i stop talking to the people you know what i

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mean i love the conversations that come afterwards

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right i have those conversations on patreon but

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youtube was a big place to have that because

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the comment section right and one of the biggest

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things and this doesn't go so much with the muggles

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thing that you were talking about but a lot of

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times with the hot wiping scenario you know i

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got you know a lot of people have a lot of things

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wrong you know they see the guys that are into

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hot wiping like a it's not fair if the because

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the wife not fucking anybody else or it's very

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tit for tat you know people looking from the

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outside a lot of times get things wrong and that's

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why personally I talk to people for a whole hour

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okay and I get their whole life story so if you

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listen to the whole thing I think you get a full

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understanding of it yet people are still listening

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like with blinders on or something I don't know

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because a lot of times they think things are

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unfair or they think people are doomed to hell

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or this isn't going to work out long term and

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and and it's like I could they couldn't be more

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wrong I'm sorry I've talked to over 1300 people

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So at this point, I really feel like I've done

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the study. Seriously, like I've heard Dr. Drew

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talk and he's like the biggest fucking asshole.

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He makes comments about the non -monogamy world

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as if he's ever known one person. Probably all

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of his friends are swingers and he just doesn't

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know it. He's kind of, I think they're jealous.

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They're jealous because they just end up cheating.

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He's catering to the majority. I think he's just

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doing it. I think he's just, there's, so, you

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know, I studied. There's too many research. There's

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too much research showing that we actually have

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great metrics in happiness, longevity, sex life,

00:21:00.170 --> 00:21:02.390
all of that. Exactly. Actually, we have 10 times

00:21:02.390 --> 00:21:05.069
more sex, but we're the same level of STIs that

00:21:05.069 --> 00:21:08.339
the regular population is. I think it's just

00:21:08.339 --> 00:21:10.720
a financial grab, honestly. I think it's just

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playing a role. Totally, that's what I think.

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I lived in Hollywood. I think it's just playing

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a role. So you can share one in the book or out

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of the book, but what's your favorite? Like,

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do you have a like, no, this one is the one right

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here or a couple? No. I usually say, what's the

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first thing that pops in your head when we ask

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the question? That's a better question, yeah.

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Yeah, because it's impossible to choose a favorite.

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Well, what's the topic? Only because it's like.

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I can't even. Like, because, listen, I do so

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many different things. I'm like, some people

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are just lifestyle podcasts. Some people are

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just hot wifing podcasts. Some people are just,

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you know, fetish podcasts. I have everything

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on my show. I'm not niche at all, right? I'll

00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:56.099
talk to cheaters that aren't even in the ethically

00:21:56.099 --> 00:21:57.940
non -monogamous world. I talk to hot wife people.

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I talk to people that have gang bangs. I talk

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to trans people. I talk to guys who likes to

00:22:01.740 --> 00:22:05.079
wear, you know, pantyhose. So it's so hard to

00:22:05.079 --> 00:22:08.299
say because. I generally am like psychotically

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curious and interested in people. I could go,

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anybody is interesting to me and everything is

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interesting to me. So it's hard to say. I sometimes

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love stories that have nothing to do with sex.

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Like I had this one guy on Jamal who wanted to

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come on the show and he kind of pitched it. Like,

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I'll tell you all like the gay sex that's happening

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in prison because he was in prison for selling

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drugs. And honestly, like his episode was so

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much more than just prison sex. and how and why

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he wound up there, what happened to him while

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he was there, the sex that he had, and then the

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rehabilitation he had and how he came out of

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it and how good he was doing after. That's the

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kind of shit I fucking love. It's like reading

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a good biography. I do love stories that read

00:22:49.950 --> 00:22:53.029
like a book and maybe have a tragic beginning

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or some sort of thing that someone overcome.

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I love that. But a lot of times I'm not getting

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that on my show, but I still love it because

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I'm having stories where people are just talking

00:23:01.069 --> 00:23:03.789
about how successful they are at having all this

00:23:03.789 --> 00:23:06.869
great sex. what I'm getting so it's hard to just

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pick like a best one I'm just and it's always

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like I whenever I think I'm never gonna get like

00:23:12.309 --> 00:23:15.269
a great one again I I fucking get hit with one

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like I just had one taped the other day that

00:23:18.309 --> 00:23:23.529
has not aired yet that really had me fucking

00:23:23.529 --> 00:23:26.130
going and not in a good way in a very emotional

00:23:26.130 --> 00:23:28.509
way like I typically I'm like I am no one's moral

00:23:28.509 --> 00:23:31.089
police okay I'm not here to tell you what you

00:23:31.089 --> 00:23:33.089
should do or shouldn't do right like I feel like

00:23:33.089 --> 00:23:35.019
everyone makes those rules for themselves but

00:23:35.019 --> 00:23:37.859
this guy had a little non -consensual thing where

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he set up his wife without her knowing and brought

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in a bull and all this shit that you would be

00:23:41.619 --> 00:23:43.920
like red flags galore your whole brotherhood

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would be so anti his fucking thing yeah and honestly

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i was the whole story had me fucking going but

00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:53.880
to me it's a great episode though i mean i hung

00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:55.299
up i was like oh my god this is going to be a

00:23:55.299 --> 00:23:57.460
good one because it's going to be so salacious

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and stuff so I can't, it's really hard for me

00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:03.200
to pick a favorite. Like, cause literally I think

00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:07.680
I'm, I'm posting my 1365th one tomorrow. So it's

00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:09.559
hard out of that. If I had like a hundred, maybe

00:24:09.559 --> 00:24:12.339
it'd be easy to pick, but I've just had too many.

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You just love the game. That's what I'm hearing.

00:24:14.700 --> 00:24:17.480
You just love the game. You love this. You love

00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:19.279
this. This is what I love to do. Yeah. Yeah.

00:24:19.380 --> 00:24:21.839
And when you love it, you, you see beauty in

00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:24.400
all of it. Right. And you actually answered my

00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:26.960
second, my second question was going to be what

00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:29.180
grinds your gears? the most and is that it like

00:24:29.180 --> 00:24:32.980
the the stories that are violating people's consent

00:24:32.980 --> 00:24:36.259
or something that crosses no no no what grinds

00:24:36.259 --> 00:24:39.410
your gears no i don't like Yeah, no, I don't

00:24:39.410 --> 00:24:41.869
like to get that emotional. I like to be impartial

00:24:41.869 --> 00:24:43.730
on my shows and just go with people's stories.

00:24:43.829 --> 00:24:47.329
No, like I said, I promise you and anyone that

00:24:47.329 --> 00:24:51.170
knows me in my life knows that if I met you,

00:24:51.230 --> 00:24:53.450
Socrates, or you, Siren, if, Siren, you were

00:24:53.450 --> 00:24:55.250
at a barbecue that I was at and you sat next

00:24:55.250 --> 00:24:57.089
to me, I'd say, what's your name? And you'd say,

00:24:57.130 --> 00:24:58.849
Siren. Then I'd ask you another question and

00:24:58.849 --> 00:25:00.390
then you'd answer and then I'd ask you. And I

00:25:00.390 --> 00:25:02.890
would do exactly what I do to the people on my

00:25:02.890 --> 00:25:06.289
show. This is what I do for my own interest on

00:25:06.289 --> 00:25:08.630
a daily basis. The fact that I... figured out

00:25:08.630 --> 00:25:10.890
how to create a show and I get to do this and

00:25:10.890 --> 00:25:13.809
this pays my bills. And this is like now my business

00:25:13.809 --> 00:25:16.789
and my career is like mind blowing to me because

00:25:16.789 --> 00:25:20.349
it's literally like what I love to do. And it's

00:25:20.349 --> 00:25:22.930
interesting to me. Like I said, I don't do small

00:25:22.930 --> 00:25:25.529
talk. My brain needs all of these conversations

00:25:25.529 --> 00:25:28.390
to keep interested. So I've never been more or

00:25:28.390 --> 00:25:31.190
less bored. I'm like so fulfilled in my life.

00:25:31.250 --> 00:25:33.569
I literally take two people a day every day,

00:25:33.609 --> 00:25:36.029
except like Sundays and Tuesdays. So I'm just

00:25:36.029 --> 00:25:38.490
like constantly having these. amazing conversations

00:25:38.490 --> 00:25:42.210
with total strangers. I never have one like question

00:25:42.210 --> 00:25:44.369
written. I don't know where the fuck it's going

00:25:44.369 --> 00:25:46.730
to go. And I just grill them and learn their

00:25:46.730 --> 00:25:49.109
story. And that's and I just like love it. I'm

00:25:49.109 --> 00:25:52.970
never bored. I'm always interested. And so that's

00:25:52.970 --> 00:25:54.410
what keeps me going because it's just like what

00:25:54.410 --> 00:25:56.369
I love to do. Like they say that cliche thing,

00:25:56.490 --> 00:25:58.650
like find what you just like to do naturally

00:25:58.650 --> 00:26:00.829
and and then do it for a living. I didn't get

00:26:00.829 --> 00:26:03.009
paid for my podcast. I didn't monetize my podcast

00:26:03.009 --> 00:26:05.250
for the first like seven years or eight years.

00:26:05.369 --> 00:26:08.259
I only started to monitor. it in 2020 when my

00:26:08.259 --> 00:26:10.960
son was going back to school and I'm like okay

00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:12.420
I'm not going to be a stay -at -home mom anymore

00:26:12.420 --> 00:26:14.059
that was important for me to stay home with my

00:26:14.059 --> 00:26:15.940
kid but once he went to school like now what

00:26:15.940 --> 00:26:17.839
are we going to do you know and that's when I

00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:19.839
decided to instead of going back to an office

00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:22.359
to maybe try to monetize my show but I did my

00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:25.180
show for seven eight years just because I fucking

00:26:25.180 --> 00:26:27.400
loved it and I never missed an episode and I

00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:30.180
continued to do it and uh it was always like

00:26:30.180 --> 00:26:32.500
something that I enjoyed so I that's what gets

00:26:32.500 --> 00:26:35.640
me going And honestly, I also love the back end

00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:37.220
to it. I don't have anyone that works for me.

00:26:37.299 --> 00:26:39.140
I have seven episodes a week. I do the editing.

00:26:39.259 --> 00:26:42.640
I do the writing. I do the taping. I do my Patreon.

00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:44.880
I have 2 ,500 people. I have a Discord with 6

00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:46.779
,000 people. I'm talking to those people. I do

00:26:46.779 --> 00:26:50.420
contests. I love every aspect of everything that

00:26:50.420 --> 00:26:52.859
I do. So I just, you know, that's what keeps

00:26:52.859 --> 00:26:55.579
me going. Well, I'm good for you because, man,

00:26:55.660 --> 00:26:58.039
we own several businesses. We wouldn't survive

00:26:58.039 --> 00:27:00.920
without my boy Julius. We would just about get

00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:03.819
one of our assistants to help us. With this show

00:27:03.819 --> 00:27:06.480
and hire another one, man, but big ups to you

00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:09.900
because I couldn't do it. I hate editing. You

00:27:09.900 --> 00:27:12.839
hear me, my boy, Julius? Yes, I like it. I like

00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:16.680
it. I like just getting on and just talking to

00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:19.240
people like. I'll grab people last minute all

00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:20.880
the time. And they're just like, well, what are

00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:22.599
we going to do? And I said, we're just going

00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:25.940
to have a conversation. And if you think of it

00:27:25.940 --> 00:27:28.319
any deeper than that, like you're going to stress

00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:30.099
yourself out. You're going to get anxiety. It's

00:27:30.099 --> 00:27:33.440
like, no, it's just a conversation between two

00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:35.359
people. And we're just going to see where it

00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:39.319
goes. You know? And don't you find I had a guy

00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:41.339
on the other day and he actually hung up on me

00:27:41.339 --> 00:27:42.539
in the middle of it. And he was like, you're

00:27:42.539 --> 00:27:44.579
being like you were doing what I thought you

00:27:44.579 --> 00:27:45.759
were going to do. And I thought and I was like,

00:27:45.779 --> 00:27:49.099
you know, by far, I have not listened to the

00:27:49.099 --> 00:27:51.480
podcast yet. I mean, like you're going to be

00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:55.099
really blunt and bold. No, it's not even grilling.

00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:58.269
Yeah. No, it's going to go wherever it needs

00:27:58.269 --> 00:28:02.930
to go. And any guest that comes onto my show

00:28:02.930 --> 00:28:05.849
and they have questions already written or bullet

00:28:05.849 --> 00:28:07.650
notes that they think I'm going to follow or

00:28:07.650 --> 00:28:09.650
they think it's going to go a certain way, those

00:28:09.650 --> 00:28:11.849
are always the worst guests because they're not

00:28:11.849 --> 00:28:13.869
just going. I'm like you. I have conversations

00:28:13.869 --> 00:28:17.190
with someone. I feel like my show is like a blank

00:28:17.190 --> 00:28:19.529
canvas when I get on the phone. And then what

00:28:19.529 --> 00:28:22.049
is created at the end, I had no fucking idea

00:28:22.049 --> 00:28:23.769
it was going to come out that way, but I'm always

00:28:23.769 --> 00:28:26.500
happy. So there you go. And when people are trying

00:28:26.500 --> 00:28:31.000
to control it, that's when we get a bad episode.

00:28:31.140 --> 00:28:33.299
And that's when I get irritated. And I can always

00:28:33.299 --> 00:28:35.279
tell those people because, like you said, they

00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:37.339
get anxious because they don't know what's going

00:28:37.339 --> 00:28:39.579
on. It's a control thing. They had it in their

00:28:39.579 --> 00:28:42.619
mind. Yeah, they had it in their mind. And don't

00:28:42.619 --> 00:28:43.799
tell you. And that's not going to make for a

00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:46.140
good show. different people will tell you like

00:28:46.140 --> 00:28:49.059
oh you need to start it this way and have a hook

00:28:49.059 --> 00:28:51.740
and do this well i tried to do a format at first

00:28:51.740 --> 00:28:54.819
it stressed me the fuck out and you know what

00:28:54.819 --> 00:28:57.059
and the people trying to get me to do the format

00:28:57.059 --> 00:28:59.660
i was like you know what fuck this i'm just going

00:28:59.660 --> 00:29:01.380
to talk to people i just want to get on there

00:29:01.380 --> 00:29:03.440
and talk and if it works it works if it doesn't

00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:05.819
it doesn't Because I can't stand. Oh, my God.

00:29:05.859 --> 00:29:07.559
That's what my whole show is. That's how I write

00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:10.140
books and, like, other papers and different things

00:29:10.140 --> 00:29:12.400
is, like, I just start writing. Like, I can't

00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:14.920
have, like, all this too much structure. I need

00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:18.119
more creativity and room to run. So I like that

00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:21.160
you. Yeah, I mean, I have a goal. Yeah, you have

00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:23.079
a goal, but. Yeah, I mean, I have a goal. That's

00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:25.720
very different than having, like, you know, seven

00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:28.599
steps to have a podcast. You know what I mean?

00:29:28.819 --> 00:29:31.119
That's me. You don't. Oh, no, I can't do it.

00:29:31.180 --> 00:29:33.829
You know. Which is funny because I love to -do

00:29:33.829 --> 00:29:35.849
lists and I love goals and things like that.

00:29:36.109 --> 00:29:38.650
But in this kind of space, I want to free my

00:29:38.650 --> 00:29:40.789
mind. Like the rest of my life is very structured.

00:29:40.789 --> 00:29:43.230
It's very calendar tied. And, you know, when

00:29:43.230 --> 00:29:45.650
I get on the podcast, if I've had the most tiring,

00:29:45.789 --> 00:29:48.990
exhausting day, like I just feel rejuvenated

00:29:48.990 --> 00:29:51.549
afterwards. It's like a natural, you know, high.

00:29:52.269 --> 00:29:54.650
So, you know, and it sounds like with your love

00:29:54.650 --> 00:29:56.470
for all of it, you know, that's a similar thing.

00:29:56.710 --> 00:29:58.829
Would you say you have a natural high of just

00:29:58.829 --> 00:30:02.950
being on there? Yeah. But I also feel that when

00:30:02.950 --> 00:30:05.289
I'm just having a conversation and I'm not asking

00:30:05.289 --> 00:30:07.750
like, just like stock questions and then, you

00:30:07.750 --> 00:30:09.190
know, there's an answer. And then I asked another

00:30:09.190 --> 00:30:12.130
one that like the, the natural conversation with

00:30:12.130 --> 00:30:15.230
these people actually allows them to get very

00:30:15.230 --> 00:30:18.430
comfortable and relax and then reveal more, you

00:30:18.430 --> 00:30:20.109
know what I mean? Because it is a conversation.

00:30:20.210 --> 00:30:22.049
They don't feel like I'm backing them into a

00:30:22.049 --> 00:30:24.589
corner, you know? And so a lot of times people

00:30:24.589 --> 00:30:25.930
get on the call and they're like, Oh my God,

00:30:25.950 --> 00:30:27.789
I'm so nervous. I'm like, trust me in five minutes,

00:30:27.829 --> 00:30:29.190
you're not even going to be thinking about it

00:30:29.190 --> 00:30:31.589
because it's so natural. And it's a conversation

00:30:31.589 --> 00:30:33.789
and that I think relaxes people. And for me to

00:30:33.789 --> 00:30:35.990
get people to really open up and talk, like people

00:30:35.990 --> 00:30:37.990
are telling me their deepest, darkest secrets.

00:30:38.049 --> 00:30:41.069
A lot of times these people are on the DL or

00:30:41.069 --> 00:30:42.950
what they're doing. Nobody knows about, you know,

00:30:42.950 --> 00:30:44.670
and this is the first time they're talking and

00:30:44.670 --> 00:30:46.490
they're on a show, you know? So it's like, people

00:30:46.490 --> 00:30:48.710
are nervous, but that's the best way I think

00:30:48.710 --> 00:30:51.130
to get people to relax and open up and tell me,

00:30:51.130 --> 00:30:53.049
you know, all their stuff. And that's, what's

00:30:53.049 --> 00:30:55.069
helpful for the audience to hear people's real

00:30:55.069 --> 00:30:57.170
stories. And that's what they're hearing on my

00:30:57.170 --> 00:30:59.029
show. Nobody holds back anything. There's no

00:30:59.029 --> 00:31:00.920
reason to. Nobody knows who they are. I change

00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.000
everybody's voices. I change everybody's names.

00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:05.099
I don't ask them where they live or what they

00:31:05.099 --> 00:31:07.519
do for a living. I tell people, send me a fake

00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:09.700
email. I don't give a shit who you are. I don't

00:31:09.700 --> 00:31:11.380
even care who they really are. I just like the

00:31:11.380 --> 00:31:15.039
story, you know? Exactly. I love that. That's

00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.400
it. Yeah. What was your next one? And I got great

00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:22.000
stories. Yeah, you do. You do. Hey, wait, wait,

00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:24.940
wait. I want to hear a story from your personal

00:31:24.940 --> 00:31:28.269
sex life. You want to share something? We won't

00:31:28.269 --> 00:31:30.890
tell nobody who it is. Just Kathy Kaye with strictly

00:31:30.890 --> 00:31:33.170
anonymous confessions. Yeah, we'll cut that part

00:31:33.170 --> 00:31:36.700
out. I mean, you got, I, it's like, I don't know

00:31:36.700 --> 00:31:39.420
what story to tell. I did do, I, for my 500th

00:31:39.420 --> 00:31:41.200
episode, I was like, oh, what should I do? And,

00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:43.099
you know, because my audience, because I wound

00:31:43.099 --> 00:31:45.160
up becoming anonymous and then I would put some

00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:49.559
like halfway sort of videos of myself on, on

00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:51.839
YouTube and on my website, people started to

00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:53.779
be more interested in who I am and what I am.

00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:55.519
And my show is about other people. So I rarely

00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:58.559
talk about myself. And I typically, I'm only

00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:00.180
going on other people's podcasts right now because

00:32:00.180 --> 00:32:02.460
of my book, but I never went on anyone's podcast

00:32:02.460 --> 00:32:04.980
at all. even for to grow my show I just never

00:32:04.980 --> 00:32:06.789
did because what am I going to talk about But

00:32:06.789 --> 00:32:10.109
I did do my 500th episode. I told them my whole

00:32:10.109 --> 00:32:11.750
life story. You know, when there was like some

00:32:11.750 --> 00:32:13.329
threesome stories, I don't know, like, what would

00:32:13.329 --> 00:32:15.210
you be interested in hearing? I don't even know

00:32:15.210 --> 00:32:18.309
when it comes to my sex life. I don't know. But

00:32:18.309 --> 00:32:21.089
I did do an episode where I did talk about, you

00:32:21.089 --> 00:32:23.690
know, all about me and my audience, like loved

00:32:23.690 --> 00:32:26.069
it. Because like I said, I don't typically talk

00:32:26.069 --> 00:32:27.809
about myself at all on my show. It's really a

00:32:27.809 --> 00:32:30.710
focus on my guests. Well, what kind of what is

00:32:30.710 --> 00:32:34.170
a story that really like you left that experience

00:32:34.170 --> 00:32:41.599
feeling free? oh because my podcast freedom is

00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:44.619
all about sexual freedom so what is an experience

00:32:44.619 --> 00:32:49.079
that you left and you just were like the whole

00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:52.700
thing was just freeing exhilarating whatever

00:32:52.700 --> 00:32:56.160
other descriptors you want to use I mean, all

00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:58.500
of them. I was never, I have to say, like, I

00:32:58.500 --> 00:33:00.440
was never. Now stop it, Kathy. There's so many

00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:01.859
people that are like, oh, all of them. I like

00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:04.980
all the food. No, no, no. It's not about all

00:33:04.980 --> 00:33:06.900
of them. I'm not going to let you get away with

00:33:06.900 --> 00:33:09.700
that. I will. No, no, but you have to hear what

00:33:09.700 --> 00:33:11.859
I'm leading with. Okay, first of all, I was,

00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:15.420
I was. a type of woman that couldn't wait to

00:33:15.420 --> 00:33:18.220
fuck. And from the minute I realized I had a

00:33:18.220 --> 00:33:21.019
clit, like I was so curious. I wanted to have

00:33:21.019 --> 00:33:24.079
sex when I was 15. I fucked guys. I was the first

00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:26.059
one to tell my boyfriend I wanted anal when I

00:33:26.059 --> 00:33:29.240
was 16. Like I never like had any kind of issues

00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:31.859
being in touch with my sexuality. I never had

00:33:31.859 --> 00:33:33.859
a problem with orgasm. I orgasmed every time

00:33:33.859 --> 00:33:35.519
I knew how to tell a guy what the fuck to do.

00:33:35.660 --> 00:33:38.880
I was great at sex from day one. I never was

00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:41.140
like repressed. I never felt shame about anything.

00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:46.519
I didn't have that kind of awakening. I will

00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:49.420
say that I got, I did get sober. Like there was

00:33:49.420 --> 00:33:51.420
a time and a part of my quitting drinking when

00:33:51.420 --> 00:33:54.400
I was 34 was because I was just like waking up

00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:56.160
next to people like, who the fuck are you? And

00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:57.960
why the fuck did I fuck you? And I wasn't even

00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:02.230
enjoying sex. always liked it and it was so important

00:34:02.230 --> 00:34:04.109
to me that was like one of the reasons why i

00:34:04.109 --> 00:34:06.869
quit and my numbers went very way down after

00:34:06.869 --> 00:34:10.469
i got sober but sex only became great and better

00:34:10.469 --> 00:34:13.309
when i did so you know sex was always great for

00:34:13.309 --> 00:34:15.230
me i it was to me it was like one of the pleasures

00:34:15.230 --> 00:34:17.829
in life and i got as much as i can like i said

00:34:17.829 --> 00:34:19.969
i was never looking to get married or locked

00:34:19.969 --> 00:34:22.769
down i always had booty calls i always got what

00:34:22.769 --> 00:34:25.550
i wanted all the time i was never without it

00:34:25.550 --> 00:34:28.369
i always felt it was important so i don't have

00:34:28.369 --> 00:34:30.389
that one freeing moment you know when that will

00:34:30.389 --> 00:34:33.230
come honestly siren in my future when I go to

00:34:33.230 --> 00:34:35.110
like my first swingers club or when I have my

00:34:35.110 --> 00:34:37.190
first threesome with two guys like stuff that

00:34:37.190 --> 00:34:39.570
I haven't done yet you know what okay so what

00:34:39.570 --> 00:34:42.210
are your top five things that are on your bucket

00:34:42.210 --> 00:34:44.730
list then because we can definitely make them

00:34:44.730 --> 00:34:48.130
happen for you Kathy like really fast you give

00:34:48.130 --> 00:34:51.429
me a location and I will have excellent excellent

00:34:51.429 --> 00:34:56.050
bulls to you stat Well, this is the thing. My

00:34:56.050 --> 00:34:58.889
guy that I bang now. OK, I bet I'm a single mom.

00:34:59.010 --> 00:35:01.269
I have a 10 year old and like my life is my kid

00:35:01.269 --> 00:35:03.210
right now. And I will go back to dating, you

00:35:03.210 --> 00:35:04.630
know, when he's a little bit older, doesn't need

00:35:04.630 --> 00:35:06.190
me anymore. But in the meantime, I've always

00:35:06.190 --> 00:35:08.210
had somebody servicing me. Right. So I do have

00:35:08.210 --> 00:35:10.829
a booty call guy. Right. And he talked to me,

00:35:10.869 --> 00:35:13.010
which was so fucking crazy because I realized

00:35:13.010 --> 00:35:15.610
somewhere along the line doing my show that,

00:35:15.670 --> 00:35:18.190
oh, I might be a cut queen because this guy wants

00:35:18.190 --> 00:35:20.230
to send me a video of him like fucking somebody

00:35:20.230 --> 00:35:21.849
else. And he was like, oh, that's true. But he

00:35:21.849 --> 00:35:25.099
was sending it to me because it reminded. It

00:35:25.099 --> 00:35:27.780
reminded him of me and he was pretending it was

00:35:27.780 --> 00:35:29.559
me. But me seeing him fuck someone else was like

00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:31.739
really turned me on. I'm like, oh, I'm a cuck

00:35:31.739 --> 00:35:34.079
queen and I got that. But I never thought I would

00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:36.739
be interested in banging guys for my guy. Right.

00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:39.420
But after talking on my show and all these people,

00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:40.920
I was like, I would do that for a guy. And I

00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:43.300
just like threw that out to this guy that I've

00:35:43.300 --> 00:35:45.000
been banging for like 10 years, who is actually

00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:46.539
like one of my best friends. So we know each

00:35:46.539 --> 00:35:48.980
other really well. He never told me he was interested

00:35:48.980 --> 00:35:51.239
in anything like that. But I said to him one

00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:52.980
day, oh, yeah, you know, because of my show.

00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:55.500
What I do, like if I had a guy that I date next

00:35:55.500 --> 00:35:57.460
and he's like, oh, he wants me to hotline for

00:35:57.460 --> 00:35:58.940
him something, I would do it. Like, why not?

00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:01.340
You know, and literally like two weeks later,

00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:03.619
he sends me another video and he was like, I

00:36:03.619 --> 00:36:05.780
would like you to do that for me, too. And I'm

00:36:05.780 --> 00:36:08.320
like, what do you mean? And it turns out he was

00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:10.079
like, I'd like you to fuck another guy for me.

00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:14.159
And honestly, Siren, like I never realized that

00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:16.460
I had that kink. The minute he said it to me,

00:36:16.500 --> 00:36:18.840
the thought of like having sex with one guy and

00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:20.880
then having him come over and fuck it like was

00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:23.510
like the hottest thing on the. fucking plan it

00:36:23.510 --> 00:36:25.750
to me i tried to make it happen i was like on

00:36:25.750 --> 00:36:28.570
it emailing all my ex booty call guys trying

00:36:28.570 --> 00:36:31.469
to have them come over just so it but so it has

00:36:31.469 --> 00:36:34.710
has it happened or no it hasn't no it hasn't

00:36:34.710 --> 00:36:37.170
no no okay well i'm gonna text you afterwards

00:36:37.170 --> 00:36:39.869
i can't find a guy oh no i got him i got him

00:36:39.869 --> 00:36:42.769
girl i'm gonna text you afterwards no no no they

00:36:42.769 --> 00:36:45.949
are hooked you will thank me believe me i am

00:36:45.949 --> 00:36:49.349
like the hookup queen with this babe Yeah, we're

00:36:49.349 --> 00:36:52.250
literally actually creating services and thinking

00:36:52.250 --> 00:36:53.789
about doing it professionally. She's amazing.

00:36:54.230 --> 00:36:57.130
Yeah, but no, me and my girls, we know someone

00:36:57.130 --> 00:37:00.610
in every area of the country, and they are all

00:37:00.610 --> 00:37:02.809
guys that we have experienced. We're not pulling

00:37:02.809 --> 00:37:05.590
some guy out of the gutter. Like, these are quality

00:37:05.590 --> 00:37:07.750
bulls that know what the fuck they're doing.

00:37:08.030 --> 00:37:09.969
And know how to respect your dynamic and everything.

00:37:10.090 --> 00:37:12.170
And can take you through that experience from

00:37:12.170 --> 00:37:14.670
start to finish, and you will be blown away.

00:37:15.590 --> 00:37:19.250
So, I'm going to text you afterwards. Okay, but

00:37:19.250 --> 00:37:20.610
it's not going to go anywhere because I have

00:37:20.610 --> 00:37:22.789
to say like when I talk about it for myself,

00:37:23.369 --> 00:37:25.289
okay, just because of the way that I'm wired,

00:37:25.389 --> 00:37:27.650
I'm always like, oh, if I were to do it, I'd

00:37:27.650 --> 00:37:30.650
go to like an old time booty call guy or somebody

00:37:30.650 --> 00:37:33.289
that I already know because that's like was always

00:37:33.289 --> 00:37:35.369
like the best sex for me. I'm not one that like

00:37:35.369 --> 00:37:38.329
some guy I just meet is going to like come off

00:37:38.329 --> 00:37:39.710
the street and I'm just going to fuck him. There

00:37:39.710 --> 00:37:42.030
was a guy in my gym. He just looked like Jason

00:37:42.030 --> 00:37:43.989
Momoa and I was like, oh my God, he was so hot.

00:37:44.010 --> 00:37:46.010
He was like 25 and he was like the guy who took

00:37:46.010 --> 00:37:47.769
my thing when I went in the gym and I was like

00:37:47.769 --> 00:37:50.590
in a... rile him in because i know him but i

00:37:50.590 --> 00:37:52.230
don't know that i could just like fuck a stranger

00:37:52.230 --> 00:37:54.570
that's a problem if they listen if it if i was

00:37:54.570 --> 00:37:55.949
going to take you up with the offer i could find

00:37:55.949 --> 00:37:57.809
a guy tomorrow i live in new york city it's not

00:37:57.809 --> 00:37:59.829
like a shortage of dudes that would just come

00:37:59.829 --> 00:38:02.769
over and if i offered that up you know they wouldn't

00:38:02.769 --> 00:38:04.809
do it they wouldn't be experienced like the right

00:38:04.809 --> 00:38:07.829
situation yeah i know you're right i got it i

00:38:07.829 --> 00:38:09.730
got it i'll i'll reach out to you when i'm ready

00:38:09.730 --> 00:38:14.139
sounds good I'll respect that. What was interesting

00:38:14.139 --> 00:38:17.320
was how turned on I got by it when I never knew

00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:19.579
that. And that's like, I think, super interesting.

00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:22.800
Right. It just goes to show that you never know.

00:38:23.019 --> 00:38:25.380
And it's not like sex is like something that

00:38:25.380 --> 00:38:27.159
you like, like one thing. And that's how you

00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:29.440
are always like things could change. Right. And

00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:31.780
so who knew? And now I know. And so that was

00:38:31.780 --> 00:38:34.260
like interesting. That's on my list. Doing two

00:38:34.260 --> 00:38:36.679
guys was always like something I'd mock up with

00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:38.480
toys and stuff. But I would be like, oh, I would

00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:41.300
never do in real life. But I totally would now.

00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:44.260
You know, I like the cup cleaning thing. If I

00:38:44.260 --> 00:38:46.579
had a guy, I'd love to see him with another girl,

00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:48.860
you know? So there's like, I would love to experience

00:38:48.860 --> 00:38:51.900
what a swingers club is like, you know? So all

00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:53.820
the things that all my people on my show are

00:38:53.820 --> 00:38:55.559
doing, I don't think I'm interested in gangbangs.

00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:57.320
That happens to be something that women are really

00:38:57.320 --> 00:38:59.780
into. It's not like my thing, but like, who knows?

00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:01.780
Look, I didn't think I was hot wiping material,

00:39:01.900 --> 00:39:04.800
but now I think I would. And if I, my next relationship

00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.519
I went into, and I do want another relationship

00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:09.000
where my son gets like, probably like a year

00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:12.039
or two, I will have another. open relationship

00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:14.380
like i do believe in that now and that's how

00:39:14.380 --> 00:39:17.519
it would be set up that's so those are my top

00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:19.460
five things i think i gave you five things i

00:39:19.460 --> 00:39:21.460
love it i love it we love it can we ask you some

00:39:21.460 --> 00:39:22.880
business questions because we're both in the

00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.059
same business but i can see you doing it on a

00:39:25.059 --> 00:39:31.639
high level um yeah yeah i um you know i think

00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:36.500
and you know siren and i can openly disagree

00:39:36.500 --> 00:39:38.719
without it being an issue like a lot of people

00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:41.480
do or because a lot of times for me it's about

00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:44.199
discovering why she thinks that way and eventually

00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:46.860
i might even turn to her so you know she kind

00:39:46.860 --> 00:39:49.519
of you know you said you waited seven years to

00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:52.460
monetize she's kind of like knowing her because

00:39:52.460 --> 00:39:55.619
she's um this woman is a emotional i'm gonna

00:39:55.619 --> 00:39:58.000
say this right emotional financial wizard in

00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:01.039
other words she knows the emotional tools you

00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:04.840
need to master money She's a genius. I love it.

00:40:05.260 --> 00:40:08.659
But she was like, no, no, you're losing money.

00:40:09.300 --> 00:40:14.539
But I think about the social network, that movie,

00:40:14.699 --> 00:40:16.360
and I learned, because I don't know how much

00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:19.320
true this is, but I think about how what I like

00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.219
about it is when Mark Zuckerberg, and who cares

00:40:22.219 --> 00:40:23.940
what you think about him or Facebook, I just

00:40:23.940 --> 00:40:27.579
want to tell this story, when he was like, when

00:40:27.579 --> 00:40:31.260
they were pushing him to monetize, and he's like,

00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:34.650
bro. You don't charge for a party until you know

00:40:34.650 --> 00:40:37.110
what the party is and you know it's bomb. And

00:40:37.110 --> 00:40:39.750
I was like, that's it. So my advice to you is

00:40:39.750 --> 00:40:44.269
I actually started on the free site today, monetizing,

00:40:44.289 --> 00:40:47.130
and I started on Patreon. What's your advice

00:40:47.130 --> 00:40:49.809
on that role? Because you're such a straightforward

00:40:49.809 --> 00:40:53.269
person. I think I could tell you this. I'm the

00:40:53.269 --> 00:40:54.949
type of person, I know what I want. I don't need

00:40:54.949 --> 00:40:58.309
any advertisements for it. I hate ads and I hate

00:40:58.309 --> 00:41:01.010
those things, but I just put it on my free site

00:41:01.010 --> 00:41:02.369
because we're going to monetize and we're going

00:41:02.369 --> 00:41:04.989
to use that money to really do some great things.

00:41:05.050 --> 00:41:06.769
We have our own businesses. We don't need this

00:41:06.769 --> 00:41:08.610
money. It's something that I want to grow for

00:41:08.610 --> 00:41:12.570
different reasons. I guess my question is, how

00:41:12.570 --> 00:41:15.460
did you approach this? And what's been your feedback

00:41:15.460 --> 00:41:19.139
on monetizing? How did you approach getting ads?

00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:23.780
And have you had a lot of negative feedback from

00:41:23.780 --> 00:41:29.449
it? What's the feedback been on it? Okay, where

00:41:29.449 --> 00:41:30.889
should I start? Because I have so much to say,

00:41:30.909 --> 00:41:32.849
but I love the business side of things. And once

00:41:32.849 --> 00:41:36.530
I decided to monetize, you know, I learned a

00:41:36.530 --> 00:41:39.070
lot as I went, right? And I do believe a lot

00:41:39.070 --> 00:41:41.530
of times in business, people think the wrong

00:41:41.530 --> 00:41:44.030
way. They think like you need to know how to

00:41:44.030 --> 00:41:45.989
do everything before you start. And that's not

00:41:45.989 --> 00:41:47.869
true. Like I didn't know anything about Patreon

00:41:47.869 --> 00:41:49.829
when I started Patreon. I paid someone on Fiverr

00:41:49.829 --> 00:41:51.489
to set up my fucking Patreon. I didn't know what

00:41:51.489 --> 00:41:54.150
the fuck I did. And now I have over 2 ,500 paying

00:41:54.150 --> 00:41:56.750
people. I probably have like 5 ,000 total, but

00:41:56.750 --> 00:41:58.869
like literally that paid me. lot of money on

00:41:58.869 --> 00:42:00.949
patreon and i didn't know what the fuck i was

00:42:00.949 --> 00:42:03.409
doing like one thing i will say is just do it

00:42:03.409 --> 00:42:07.070
whatever it is when it comes to ads i mean when

00:42:07.070 --> 00:42:08.969
i decided to monetize i was like i'm gonna monetize

00:42:08.969 --> 00:42:11.130
because it was i didn't have other gigs you know

00:42:11.130 --> 00:42:12.610
what i mean i was a stay -at -home mom it was

00:42:12.610 --> 00:42:15.070
like i go into office or not i think sometimes

00:42:15.070 --> 00:42:17.309
when you don't need the money maybe you know

00:42:17.309 --> 00:42:19.190
how do you get that fire under your ass there's

00:42:19.190 --> 00:42:21.190
nothing like that fire under your ass right that

00:42:21.190 --> 00:42:22.730
you want to make it and it's i don't know what

00:42:22.730 --> 00:42:26.480
he's talking about i need that money Okay, so

00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:31.059
if you need that money. I got spa services. Yeah,

00:42:31.179 --> 00:42:34.079
ads are great for your show. And I never get

00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:36.699
people that complain. And anybody that does,

00:42:36.900 --> 00:42:40.619
I mean, come on. Like I am giving you free, podcasts

00:42:40.619 --> 00:42:44.420
are free. People are listening for free. I am

00:42:44.420 --> 00:42:47.639
working my ass off for free. Who do you think

00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:51.260
pays for that free content? So I don't feel bad.

00:42:51.420 --> 00:42:54.800
I'll never, I do an hour long show. Okay. So

00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:57.800
I put ads in there and I love my ads because

00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:00.099
I feel like, honestly, my advertisers are helping

00:43:00.099 --> 00:43:02.599
my listeners. I have load boost. It really makes

00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:04.699
your load taste better and increases it. It's

00:43:04.699 --> 00:43:07.360
a real thing. And I fucking love my advertisers.

00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:11.800
Have you tried the product yourself? No, I have

00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:14.619
to give it to my guy. I'm just being funny. It's

00:43:14.619 --> 00:43:16.219
not for women. What's it called? No, it's not

00:43:16.219 --> 00:43:19.760
for women. No, you don't get what I'm asking,

00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:24.300
but that's fine. Oh, meaning like, oh. You said

00:43:24.300 --> 00:43:28.159
it tastes better. Are you confessing that it

00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:33.199
does? I did. Just so you know, I gave it to my

00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:35.340
guy. He took a bottle last time I saw him. There

00:43:35.340 --> 00:43:39.329
you go, girl. I'll let you know. But everybody

00:43:39.329 --> 00:43:41.929
claims that I've had real life experiences. But

00:43:41.929 --> 00:43:44.289
you, it's, it's, listen, if you, the best ads

00:43:44.289 --> 00:43:46.989
to get are people in the business, you know,

00:43:47.030 --> 00:43:49.449
like, like, you know, load boost, Uber lube,

00:43:49.469 --> 00:43:52.590
you know, lube companies and, you know, anything

00:43:52.590 --> 00:43:55.230
that has to do with sex. There's plenty of advertisers

00:43:55.230 --> 00:43:57.210
out there that are perfect for your audience,

00:43:57.369 --> 00:43:59.130
you know, and that's the kind of stuff that you

00:43:59.130 --> 00:44:01.949
want. And you going about getting them is I would

00:44:01.949 --> 00:44:03.730
always like, you know, sort of go out. I'm with

00:44:03.730 --> 00:44:06.389
an advertised cast. Like they get me ads. I get

00:44:06.389 --> 00:44:09.260
ads myself. People email. me i actually also

00:44:09.260 --> 00:44:11.800
used to like work my ass off sending emails out

00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:13.880
to companies and try to get it so it's just like

00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:16.000
in the beginning it's a hustle like anything

00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:18.599
else whatever you're starting up whether it's

00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:21.079
the ads whether it's patreon wherever you're

00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:23.539
looking thinking to monetize but once you decide

00:44:23.539 --> 00:44:25.159
i mean you have to make the decision that you

00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:27.139
want to monetize first of all and that's what

00:44:27.139 --> 00:44:28.900
you have you have siren over here saying she

00:44:28.900 --> 00:44:30.940
wants the money and socrates saying i don't i

00:44:30.940 --> 00:44:33.099
don't need it i don't really care but but you

00:44:33.099 --> 00:44:35.460
have to like it has to be a decision that this

00:44:35.460 --> 00:44:37.400
is what we want to do now and then you have to

00:44:37.420 --> 00:44:38.900
just start doing the things that'll make it.

00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:41.219
And once you start doing that, like to me, once

00:44:41.219 --> 00:44:43.199
I started doing that, it's like, I mean, you

00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:45.219
would fall off your chair if I told you how much

00:44:45.219 --> 00:44:47.960
I make on my show. And once I started doing it,

00:44:47.980 --> 00:44:50.420
it just grew and grew. I know, I'm a researcher,

00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:55.099
trust me. I know. Right, so you, so you, yeah.

00:44:55.610 --> 00:44:58.769
Go on. Yeah, so, no, no, no, I love it. So I

00:44:58.769 --> 00:45:01.170
appreciate that. And I love all the advice. I'm

00:45:01.170 --> 00:45:02.570
definitely going to follow it. And thank you,

00:45:02.570 --> 00:45:04.989
because I was nervous about it, honestly. I literally

00:45:04.989 --> 00:45:08.170
started - About ads? Yeah, because - About ads?

00:45:08.429 --> 00:45:11.559
Yeah, because the reason why is because - You

00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:14.000
know, you don't hear it, but I do. And we all,

00:45:14.260 --> 00:45:17.460
us muggles with ads, complain about it. Oh, I

00:45:17.460 --> 00:45:22.179
had to skip 10 times for that. And so I'm just

00:45:22.179 --> 00:45:24.659
hearing the negativity. And so that's why I like

00:45:24.659 --> 00:45:26.380
talking to other people, because I like to hear

00:45:26.380 --> 00:45:29.409
your side of it, right? Yeah, don't care what

00:45:29.409 --> 00:45:31.829
they say. I listen to plenty of podcasts of huge

00:45:31.829 --> 00:45:35.409
people, okay? I'm like a reality TV people person.

00:45:35.550 --> 00:45:36.869
You know what I mean? I listen to all that shit.

00:45:37.010 --> 00:45:39.090
And they all have ads on their show. As far as

00:45:39.090 --> 00:45:40.610
I'm concerned, if someone doesn't have ads on

00:45:40.610 --> 00:45:42.369
their podcast, they're not like a real podcast.

00:45:42.670 --> 00:45:44.010
You know what I mean? Every podcast has ads.

00:45:44.570 --> 00:45:47.230
I skip through all of them like people do for

00:45:47.230 --> 00:45:49.590
mine. And that's what I say to anybody that complains.

00:45:49.590 --> 00:45:51.530
For the one person that complains about my intro

00:45:51.530 --> 00:45:54.289
or my ads, I'm like, just skip through them like

00:45:54.289 --> 00:45:56.670
I do. Every other podcast out there has them.

00:45:57.150 --> 00:45:59.849
Everybody's getting... your show for free so

00:45:59.849 --> 00:46:03.190
do not feel bad someone has to pay for your work

00:46:03.190 --> 00:46:05.090
like no one's paying you how who's going to pay

00:46:05.090 --> 00:46:08.929
me to do this my sponsors pay my ads pay my patreon

00:46:08.929 --> 00:46:11.750
pays that's the way i could produce seven episodes

00:46:11.750 --> 00:46:13.349
for people and you sit there and you're free

00:46:13.349 --> 00:46:14.949
and you're complaining that you have to press

00:46:14.949 --> 00:46:17.690
fast forward three times i do that on all the

00:46:17.690 --> 00:46:20.670
shows i listen to too if no there's no shows

00:46:20.670 --> 00:46:23.380
out there that don't have ads Yeah, I love it.

00:46:23.380 --> 00:46:25.000
Sorry, that's just the way that it is. So do

00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:27.460
not feel bad to have them on your show. Thank

00:46:27.460 --> 00:46:30.199
you. Feel like you're helping them out because

00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:32.280
you need to get paid so you can continue to make

00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:35.219
this content for those people. Yeah, and we're

00:46:35.219 --> 00:46:37.579
coming down the end. I got one other question

00:46:37.579 --> 00:46:40.239
for you, but let me be clear, y 'all. Let me

00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:43.860
be clear. I said I don't need the money, but

00:46:43.860 --> 00:46:48.119
she said why the money is there. One, I want

00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:50.079
to say two reasons why. First, what she said.

00:46:50.650 --> 00:46:53.369
I like my wife. She's spoiled prissy bitch, and

00:46:53.369 --> 00:46:56.389
I love financing that. Okay? Let's just be fucking

00:46:56.389 --> 00:46:59.269
real. I love it, you guys. Yeah. She walks around

00:46:59.269 --> 00:47:01.969
with that fat ring. I spent a lot of money for

00:47:01.969 --> 00:47:04.650
that shit. She walks around, and she's spoiled

00:47:04.650 --> 00:47:07.869
as shit. And you say, oh, your woman is a spoiled

00:47:07.869 --> 00:47:10.190
bitch. That's right, motherfucker. I did it.

00:47:10.190 --> 00:47:12.489
I spoiled her. I love it. That's one. Well, I'm

00:47:12.489 --> 00:47:16.610
not a bitch. I mean, all the time. The second

00:47:16.610 --> 00:47:22.130
one is, I am so philosophical. passionate, and

00:47:22.130 --> 00:47:25.130
dare say spiritual about this lifestyle. I have

00:47:25.130 --> 00:47:27.530
big things that I want to do. And some of it,

00:47:27.550 --> 00:47:30.349
I don't want to charge a lot for it. So I want

00:47:30.349 --> 00:47:33.250
to make money in other areas. So when the really

00:47:33.250 --> 00:47:35.730
good stuff comes along, I just want people to

00:47:35.730 --> 00:47:38.150
enjoy it. Because some of the best parties I've

00:47:38.150 --> 00:47:40.530
gone to, my friends, they throw it and you're

00:47:40.530 --> 00:47:42.190
like, man, why don't you charge for this? And

00:47:42.190 --> 00:47:44.090
why don't you do that? And they're like, no,

00:47:44.170 --> 00:47:46.510
man, you don't understand. I love this life.

00:47:46.650 --> 00:47:49.360
I love these people. These are my friends. I

00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:51.019
just want them to come and have a good time.

00:47:51.059 --> 00:47:53.360
I don't want them to worry about that. And I'm

00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:55.559
like, those are things, not everything in the

00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:58.000
business we do. When I'm in the business, I'm

00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:01.099
making money. and i'm gonna get it but there's

00:48:01.099 --> 00:48:02.460
certain things i want to do in this lifestyle

00:48:02.460 --> 00:48:04.840
that are just i'm passionate about and i these

00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:07.239
are my friends man yeah but your show is free

00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:08.940
you're not charging no you're right that's why

00:48:08.940 --> 00:48:10.800
i started no that's why i started trust me i

00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:13.000
started today yeah and we're getting and you

00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.219
just gave me i just forgot about fiber i love

00:48:15.219 --> 00:48:18.079
fiber and i was like sitting there like oh i

00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:20.539
guess i'm gonna sit around and figure it out

00:48:20.969 --> 00:48:23.389
I forgot to pay somebody 40 bucks and they'll

00:48:23.389 --> 00:48:25.670
do it for you. I love it. And ChatGPT will give

00:48:25.670 --> 00:48:27.449
them everything they need to plug in. I love

00:48:27.449 --> 00:48:30.670
it. Oh my God. It's the fucking best. Imagine

00:48:30.670 --> 00:48:33.769
if I had ChatGPT seven years ago. I mean, it

00:48:33.769 --> 00:48:36.050
does everything for you in two fucking seconds,

00:48:36.130 --> 00:48:38.869
all the Googling. So yeah, it's so easy to monetize.

00:48:38.869 --> 00:48:40.730
And I learned a long time ago, like there was

00:48:40.730 --> 00:48:42.650
a certain things, like I think that I had like

00:48:42.650 --> 00:48:45.829
a subconscious, like fear of success or I didn't

00:48:45.829 --> 00:48:48.949
deserve money. And like, honestly, like you gotta

00:48:48.949 --> 00:48:51.789
change the mindset. Yep. Have you ever read your

00:48:51.789 --> 00:48:55.599
Badass Not Making Money? No, but you want to

00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:57.739
know what I did around COVID, right? When I started

00:48:57.739 --> 00:49:00.320
to monetize, this is my little secret thing that

00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.960
I don't believe I would have become successful

00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:05.139
without. I mean, A, you have to be a hard worker.

00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:07.340
I love work. I always say if I was a breed of

00:49:07.340 --> 00:49:09.139
dog, I'd be the dog that you need to throw the

00:49:09.139 --> 00:49:11.039
ball for all the time. Like I don't want to sit

00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:13.320
around and sleep all day. Like I'm a very much

00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.960
into working. So that's my vibe, right? So you

00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:18.500
have to have that and you have to want to like

00:49:18.500 --> 00:49:20.280
work and be good at business and all that. But

00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:23.239
you also have to believe that you deserve it.

00:49:23.300 --> 00:49:25.579
You know what I mean? Because there is a flow

00:49:25.579 --> 00:49:27.800
of money. And I believe that the only reason

00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:29.699
why I never made tons of cash in my life, because

00:49:29.699 --> 00:49:32.559
I was always did really well in any job. My bosses

00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:34.260
all loved me, blah, blah, you know, but I never

00:49:34.260 --> 00:49:37.079
really sort of ranked in the cash was because

00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:39.820
I had some sort of issue. So I got these subliminal

00:49:39.820 --> 00:49:43.059
tapes by Kelly Howell. One was attract wealth.

00:49:43.469 --> 00:49:45.849
while you work. It's literally, you put it in

00:49:45.849 --> 00:49:49.269
your earbuds. Okay. You hear birds chirping and

00:49:49.269 --> 00:49:52.150
like water going and some subliminal things that

00:49:52.150 --> 00:49:53.710
are being talked about in the back of your head.

00:49:53.769 --> 00:49:56.909
And it changed my fucking life. I make the same

00:49:56.909 --> 00:49:58.849
amount of money in one ad that I used to make

00:49:58.849 --> 00:50:01.110
in a whole week. And I have like six ads a week.

00:50:01.190 --> 00:50:03.769
Like, I mean, it really like literally changed.

00:50:03.849 --> 00:50:06.550
And it really was about changing my subconscious

00:50:06.550 --> 00:50:09.510
mind to believe that I deserved it. Every, who

00:50:09.510 --> 00:50:11.409
cares about like, why not have as much money

00:50:11.409 --> 00:50:14.650
as you can? And for me, I want a lot of money

00:50:14.650 --> 00:50:17.880
for the freedom. And it's the freedom that it

00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:20.480
gives you. It's not about, like to me, you know

00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:22.539
what I do? I have a problem with people chewing

00:50:22.539 --> 00:50:24.340
loudly. I can't fucking stand someone sitting

00:50:24.340 --> 00:50:26.199
next to me in the movie theater and eating popcorn.

00:50:26.300 --> 00:50:28.460
So if I go to the movies alone, I buy the seat

00:50:28.460 --> 00:50:30.039
next to me and I can and I don't have to worry

00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:31.059
about it. You know what I mean? That's why I

00:50:31.059 --> 00:50:33.219
like to have money. So I could do things and

00:50:33.219 --> 00:50:36.139
make my life, I don't have to be aggravated and

00:50:36.139 --> 00:50:37.920
I could have what I want and it's for the freedom.

00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:39.960
And there's nothing wrong with wanting a lot

00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:42.239
of it. It's available for you. You're not taking

00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:45.039
from anybody. And you kind of have to believe.

00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:48.059
that you deserve it yep so shameless plug for

00:50:48.059 --> 00:50:50.639
jen sincero the book you are a badass i'm making

00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:53.739
money she talks all about that um i listen to

00:50:53.739 --> 00:50:55.920
it whenever whenever i get into a money funk

00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:59.000
i listen to that but no no listen to my tapes

00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:00.679
they're 10 times better yeah we're definitely

00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:04.320
gonna send you the link Oh, yeah. It's insane.

00:51:04.539 --> 00:51:06.579
You don't have to do anything. It's literally

00:51:06.579 --> 00:51:09.380
you. I could work. It's beta and theta waves.

00:51:09.460 --> 00:51:11.800
So it focuses you while you're working. So I

00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:14.039
listen to it when I'm editing. I listen to it

00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:15.980
when I'm writing. I listen to it all the time.

00:51:16.019 --> 00:51:18.420
I still listen to it to this day. And I started

00:51:18.420 --> 00:51:21.000
six years ago. She's right. I've done the research

00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:23.480
on it. I've done the research on it. Unequivocal.

00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:27.099
And the CIA had the recent one over there released

00:51:27.099 --> 00:51:31.469
things. Because sometimes they let out information

00:51:31.469 --> 00:51:34.369
they've had for 30 years. This has been known

00:51:34.369 --> 00:51:39.670
for millennia. She's right. I can't do it because

00:51:39.670 --> 00:51:43.309
the sounds drive me crazy. But I'm looking for

00:51:43.309 --> 00:51:45.170
yours. Maybe you'll be the first one. No, no,

00:51:45.230 --> 00:51:48.590
but sounds drive me crazy. That's what she was

00:51:48.590 --> 00:51:52.150
trying to say. No, I have issues with any kind

00:51:52.150 --> 00:51:53.829
of sound. This is not that kind of sound. Trust

00:51:53.829 --> 00:51:55.909
me. You know how sometimes my teeth squeak when

00:51:55.909 --> 00:51:58.670
I eat? Yeah, she's talking about. No, no, no.

00:51:59.030 --> 00:52:02.590
Right. But you're saying these tapes don't affect

00:52:02.590 --> 00:52:05.869
you and you're relating. No. And I am. That's

00:52:05.869 --> 00:52:08.949
the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. I'm excited. Yeah,

00:52:09.010 --> 00:52:12.059
that's great. I love it. I have misophonia. I

00:52:12.059 --> 00:52:14.059
can't listen to people chewing. I can't listen

00:52:14.059 --> 00:52:16.079
to tapping. I can't listen to sounds. It gets

00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:18.000
me just, I think maybe I'm ADHD or something.

00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:20.860
Trust me, this actually focuses your brain. It's

00:52:20.860 --> 00:52:23.420
nothing distracting at all. Trust me, it'll change

00:52:23.420 --> 00:52:25.920
your life. And I've sent it to only select people.

00:52:26.099 --> 00:52:27.739
I don't really talk about it that much. Sometimes

00:52:27.739 --> 00:52:29.619
I was like, I should do a whole episode on it

00:52:29.619 --> 00:52:31.619
because I may create my own because I could sell

00:52:31.619 --> 00:52:33.699
the shit out of it because it works like fucking

00:52:33.699 --> 00:52:36.559
magic. And anyone that I did it to, it changed

00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:38.480
their life. You just got to listen to it. Trust

00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:40.769
me, you'll see. to read a book actually better

00:52:40.769 --> 00:52:43.210
do it we'll start right away sold sold send us

00:52:43.210 --> 00:52:46.369
the link okay yeah so you know i will was uh

00:52:46.369 --> 00:52:49.550
anything else you want to say or plug yourself

00:52:49.550 --> 00:52:51.309
or anything else before we get out of here tell

00:52:51.309 --> 00:52:53.510
us again what the name of your book is so people

00:52:53.510 --> 00:52:55.469
and what platforms right but i also want to listen

00:52:55.469 --> 00:52:59.179
i I also do want to say I want to plug your guys'

00:52:59.239 --> 00:53:02.460
episodes. You, Brian, Siren, Socrates, you've

00:53:02.460 --> 00:53:04.760
all been on my show. You guys gave me great episodes.

00:53:04.860 --> 00:53:07.579
I got such great feedback from all of you guys

00:53:07.579 --> 00:53:09.500
when you were on my show, just so you know. Okay,

00:53:09.539 --> 00:53:12.539
so thank you so much for coming on my show. But

00:53:12.539 --> 00:53:14.619
also thanks for having me, letting me promote

00:53:14.619 --> 00:53:16.699
my book. It is called Strictly Non -Misconfession,

00:53:16.900 --> 00:53:18.880
Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. It's available

00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:21.599
in e -book format. It's only $9 .99 in paperback.

00:53:21.659 --> 00:53:24.300
And then the audio book will be out soon. So

00:53:24.300 --> 00:53:27.719
they can get it anywhere. They get booked and

00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:29.360
then they could get my podcast, you know, anywhere

00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:32.219
they listen to your podcast. But thanks so much

00:53:32.219 --> 00:53:34.420
for having me on your show. This was fun to talk

00:53:34.420 --> 00:53:37.340
to you guys. Yeah. Thank you, Kathy. And thank

00:53:37.340 --> 00:53:40.820
you to all of our listeners and this Brian Morgan,

00:53:40.820 --> 00:53:43.940
you know, he does so much better with the intros

00:53:43.940 --> 00:53:45.980
and outros. We miss you, Brian. We'll talk to

00:53:45.980 --> 00:53:50.099
you a little bit, but for everybody else. Have

00:53:50.099 --> 00:53:53.019
a great night from the Bull Brotherhood. Bye,

00:53:53.059 --> 00:54:21.289
you guys. Bye. bull brotherhood luxury