WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.600 I think we also have a few ritual things. Like, 00:00:03.600 --> 00:00:08.060 for example, every day, once we get up, I make 00:00:08.060 --> 00:00:10.880 her coffee and bring it to her. And once she 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:13.419 gets out of the shower, I immediately bring the 00:00:13.419 --> 00:00:16.300 towel and towel her off. Those are just a couple 00:00:16.300 --> 00:00:18.260 of... You make the bed every day. Yeah, and I 00:00:18.260 --> 00:00:20.679 make the bed. I think one of the most important 00:00:20.679 --> 00:00:24.699 things that someone will learn, a wife who is 00:00:24.699 --> 00:00:27.219 not stressed starts thinking about sex more. 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:30.109 A super stressed wife... does not think about 00:00:30.109 --> 00:00:33.310 sex very much. 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If you're here, you're not just curious. 00:02:04.299 --> 00:02:07.379 You're ready to elevate. So to all the bulls, 00:02:07.379 --> 00:02:10.860 hot wives, stags, and open -minded explorers, 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:30.060 we see you. Let's go. Good evening, ladies and 00:02:30.060 --> 00:02:32.620 gentlemen, and welcome to another exhilarating 00:02:32.620 --> 00:02:35.680 episode of the Bull Brotherhood podcast. I'm 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:38.139 the one and only Sigma male themself, Brian Morgan, 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:41.699 a .k .a. the Long Wolf. One third of the podcast 00:02:41.699 --> 00:02:45.800 family, along with my couple, the lovely Siren. 00:02:46.139 --> 00:02:51.139 Hey, baby. Hey, Brian. I don't know why you deceived 00:02:51.139 --> 00:02:54.930 me. I'm tired, but this always rejuvenates my 00:02:54.930 --> 00:02:57.969 spirit, so I'm excited. Outstanding. And of course, 00:02:57.969 --> 00:03:01.789 ladies and gentlemen, the nephew himself, Socrates. 00:03:02.090 --> 00:03:05.689 What's up, big boy? What's good, Unc? How you 00:03:05.689 --> 00:03:09.550 doing? I'm doing wonderful, and Happy New Year 00:03:09.550 --> 00:03:13.770 to you guys, if I did not tell you earlier. But 00:03:13.770 --> 00:03:16.949 ladies and gentlemen, this is the... episode 00:03:16.949 --> 00:03:22.150 that brings us back. It is 2026. We are at the 00:03:22.150 --> 00:03:25.150 start of another new year and I'm very, very 00:03:25.150 --> 00:03:29.129 excited along with Socrates and Siren to get 00:03:29.129 --> 00:03:31.849 this thing started again. And tonight we actually 00:03:31.849 --> 00:03:34.930 have a couple that comes from the Pacific Northwest, 00:03:35.110 --> 00:03:37.310 I believe, and they are very, very good friends 00:03:37.310 --> 00:03:42.150 with Socrates and Siren. They are Victoria and 00:03:42.150 --> 00:03:45.750 James. Hello, couple. Hi. Hey, how are you guys? 00:03:45.909 --> 00:03:48.229 Doing wonderful. Thank you for being on the podcast. 00:03:48.370 --> 00:03:51.530 This is my first time hearing about you guys, 00:03:51.629 --> 00:03:54.490 so I'm very, very excited to get your origin 00:03:54.490 --> 00:03:59.090 story and find out what this true female -led 00:03:59.090 --> 00:04:02.250 relationship couple is all about. So I'm going 00:04:02.250 --> 00:04:04.349 to turn it over, ladies and gentlemen, to Socrates 00:04:04.349 --> 00:04:06.150 and Siren, and they're going to lead this tonight. 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:09.460 Believe me, I will chime in when I hear something 00:04:09.460 --> 00:04:12.580 to talk about. But I'm just going to sit here 00:04:12.580 --> 00:04:14.759 and let Victoria and James get with Socrates 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:18.579 and Simon and let them tell their story. Go ahead, 00:04:18.620 --> 00:04:21.300 nephew. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. So first off, I want 00:04:21.300 --> 00:04:23.519 to say Happy New Year to everybody. I'm really, 00:04:23.620 --> 00:04:26.240 really excited. Happy New Year. Thank you. Thank 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:29.879 you. This is actually our second episode of the 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:33.860 New Year. Our first one was the. You know, kind 00:04:33.860 --> 00:04:35.740 of our intro, what we're doing this year. So 00:04:35.740 --> 00:04:39.259 that will come out. And I'm really excited for 00:04:39.259 --> 00:04:41.939 this new year. I want to talk about that for 00:04:41.939 --> 00:04:43.920 half a second. Then we're going to get to Victoria 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:46.259 and James. We're really excited about what we 00:04:46.259 --> 00:04:48.240 have for our future. One of the things, this 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:50.660 is new me. I'm no longer the perpetual student. 00:04:51.339 --> 00:04:53.839 Because I've sat under my unk and he's taught 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:57.259 me the ways of the force, I've graduated to Jedi. 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:01.920 And I'm no longer a perpetual student. I'm always 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:06.100 in my mastery form, learning to be, you know, 00:05:06.100 --> 00:05:08.399 like my uncle and all of my masters and all the 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:12.019 guys that take this craft seriously and truly 00:05:12.019 --> 00:05:13.980 care for the people that are in this community. 00:05:14.500 --> 00:05:16.500 And I'm really excited to make that announcement 00:05:16.500 --> 00:05:18.839 because my uncle and all of my mentors and this 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.899 brotherhood of ours, that is truly a fraternity 00:05:21.899 --> 00:05:24.980 of brothers that love this lifestyle. have elevated 00:05:24.980 --> 00:05:26.980 me, and I just want to say thank you all. I'm 00:05:26.980 --> 00:05:29.279 going to give a shout -out to Brian Morgan, who 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:33.139 was my direct unc, my mentor, and the guy that 00:05:33.139 --> 00:05:36.459 I choose who has the final word that was established 00:05:36.459 --> 00:05:39.160 in the triangle debate as the man. I want to 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:41.360 shout -out to Dimitri. I want to shout -out to 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:45.720 my boy D, Dimitri. D, you have lightened my fire, 00:05:45.779 --> 00:05:48.699 man. You have encouraged me and built me up. 00:05:49.259 --> 00:05:52.279 I want to shout -out to my boy Damien. I'm sorry, 00:05:52.420 --> 00:05:54.459 Mr. Mocha. We'll switch that out. I want to shout 00:05:54.459 --> 00:05:57.699 out to my boy, Mr. Mocha, who, you know, recently 00:05:57.699 --> 00:06:00.560 accepted me into his home and got me on the right 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:04.000 track. To Pagan, who's taught me about sex magic 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:07.579 and the power of his word. And Michael C., who 00:06:07.579 --> 00:06:10.459 is the, that's the mouthpiece right there, bro. 00:06:10.579 --> 00:06:14.339 That man has the gifts of gab. And, you know, 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:16.379 he can talk his way into anything, including 00:06:16.379 --> 00:06:19.839 to a beautiful woman's arms. So that's the new 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:23.420 me. So let's get started and talk about Victoria 00:06:23.420 --> 00:06:27.100 and James. So I met them at Splash Smoke in 2023. 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:31.399 And a little story about my journey is that she 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:36.399 is the epitome of what I value, which is tall 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:41.439 and curvaceous and just feminine and beautiful 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:46.259 and elegant and classy. And the vibe is always 00:06:46.259 --> 00:06:53.810 number one. That guy is dope, man. I admire that 00:06:53.810 --> 00:06:57.670 guy so much. James is just a cool dude, good 00:06:57.670 --> 00:07:01.949 heart, and represents the power of a cook. And 00:07:01.949 --> 00:07:05.129 I'm so sad that these guys out here in the world 00:07:05.129 --> 00:07:07.589 don't understand the power of that. And then, 00:07:07.649 --> 00:07:12.529 so I saw her, and she went up to Michael C. And 00:07:12.529 --> 00:07:14.750 Michael C. is like 5 '6 or something. I don't 00:07:14.750 --> 00:07:16.509 know, 6 '11 or something. I don't know. The dude's 00:07:16.509 --> 00:07:21.709 tall. And so is Victoria. And she went up to 00:07:21.709 --> 00:07:25.269 him and I met them in a seminar. And she went 00:07:25.269 --> 00:07:27.209 up to him and she hugged him and she said, I 00:07:27.209 --> 00:07:29.709 just love a tall man. And because I didn't have 00:07:29.709 --> 00:07:32.389 the ways of the force back then, I didn't know 00:07:32.389 --> 00:07:35.769 that that has nothing to do with attracting a 00:07:35.769 --> 00:07:37.410 woman. It has to do with my confidence. So I 00:07:37.410 --> 00:07:41.290 told myself a lie. Well, I'm only six. And so 00:07:41.290 --> 00:07:42.970 maybe she won't be interested in me. And I did 00:07:42.970 --> 00:07:44.470 not approach her. And that was one of the biggest 00:07:44.470 --> 00:07:47.750 mistakes. And we end up. meeting at the end of 00:07:47.750 --> 00:07:50.569 splash and we're all tired and we sat down and 00:07:50.569 --> 00:07:53.410 my wife siren reminded me that you know we sat 00:07:53.410 --> 00:07:55.350 down have a really great conversation with them 00:07:55.350 --> 00:07:57.730 and they had this nice little business card and 00:07:57.730 --> 00:08:00.149 we we talked and we shared and we realized you 00:08:00.149 --> 00:08:02.209 know what we're vibing the next time we see each 00:08:02.209 --> 00:08:03.550 other we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna connect 00:08:03.550 --> 00:08:08.079 and so that's where it started so Victoria, talk 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:12.980 to me about your origin story. What got you guys 00:08:12.980 --> 00:08:15.560 into the lifestyle? What got you guys to decide 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:18.899 to make that lifestyle decision? Oh, gosh. Well, 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:22.459 it was probably about four to five years ago 00:08:22.459 --> 00:08:27.819 that we were in a position that our kids were 00:08:27.819 --> 00:08:33.820 getting ready to leave the nest. We were trying 00:08:33.820 --> 00:08:36.019 to figure out, actually, I was really motivated 00:08:36.019 --> 00:08:41.240 to figure out what to do next. I spent a lot 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:45.100 of time putting everything I had into helping 00:08:45.100 --> 00:08:47.639 make sure that the kids were successful and giving 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:51.259 everything I could to them. And I was not exactly 00:08:51.259 --> 00:08:53.639 sure what the next step was going to be. And 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:59.529 so we were on our way to an event. We were driving 00:08:59.529 --> 00:09:03.269 along the lake and I had talked to James and 00:09:03.269 --> 00:09:06.830 said, okay, what do you think we should do when 00:09:06.830 --> 00:09:10.909 the kids are graduated? Should we go hiking? 00:09:11.110 --> 00:09:14.529 Should we try out new breweries? And he said, 00:09:14.710 --> 00:09:18.110 I think you should dominate me. And I almost 00:09:18.110 --> 00:09:20.669 drove into the lake. I'm like, I don't even know 00:09:20.669 --> 00:09:24.110 what that means. Very, very vanilla lifestyle. 00:09:24.370 --> 00:09:26.549 We'd been married for over 20 years at that point. 00:09:26.769 --> 00:09:30.509 Very, very vanilla lifestyle. And I said, well, 00:09:30.610 --> 00:09:33.549 does that mean I have to wear leather? What is 00:09:33.549 --> 00:09:36.029 that? So anyway, all of that state just opened 00:09:36.029 --> 00:09:38.070 a really big conversation about a part of our 00:09:38.070 --> 00:09:40.490 life that we didn't really spend a lot of time 00:09:40.490 --> 00:09:44.129 paying attention to. And yeah, and then about 00:09:44.129 --> 00:09:48.529 a month after that, he said, hey, I wouldn't 00:09:48.529 --> 00:09:51.889 mind if you were. with another guy. And I'm like, 00:09:51.970 --> 00:09:55.330 yeah, I just got used to this other idea. What 00:09:55.330 --> 00:09:57.269 are you talking about? Right, like you're throwing 00:09:57.269 --> 00:09:59.950 them at me too quick. Yeah, I'm like, this is 00:09:59.950 --> 00:10:04.769 absolutely nuts. No, no, I'm not interested in 00:10:04.769 --> 00:10:08.590 having sex with another guy. That's like absolutely 00:10:08.590 --> 00:10:12.629 insane. There's not really, even if I was, there's 00:10:12.629 --> 00:10:15.809 not really a market. This was my opinion. There's 00:10:15.809 --> 00:10:17.669 not really a market for guys who are interested. 00:10:18.750 --> 00:10:22.070 in middle -aged women who've had children. And, 00:10:22.070 --> 00:10:24.889 you know, anyway, and that started another conversation. 00:10:25.169 --> 00:10:29.870 Well, I've since found that that was an inaccurate 00:10:29.870 --> 00:10:34.059 perception on my part. So, yeah, so that's kind 00:10:34.059 --> 00:10:36.820 of what started the conversation, a lot of research 00:10:36.820 --> 00:10:40.600 into female -led relationships. I hadn't ever 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:43.360 heard that term. I had never heard the term cuckold. 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:47.240 I hadn't ever, I knew nothing about that. So 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:51.659 I just delved into, once the shock wore off, 00:10:51.740 --> 00:10:54.519 I just delved into researching as much as I could 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:57.639 because I figured we'd been together long enough 00:10:57.639 --> 00:11:00.360 that if it was important for him to bring up. 00:11:00.889 --> 00:11:03.309 then it was important for me to figure out and 00:11:03.309 --> 00:11:06.750 at least understand what he was asking. So James, 00:11:06.870 --> 00:11:10.649 had you already researched this before you asked 00:11:10.649 --> 00:11:14.330 her to dominate, build another guy? I guess in 00:11:14.330 --> 00:11:18.690 the sense research, watching a lot of porn of 00:11:18.690 --> 00:11:23.450 female dominatrix and also huckled stuff. And 00:11:23.450 --> 00:11:25.490 yeah, so I did a lot of research with that, certainly. 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:27.879 If you can call it research. We call it Pornhub 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:31.960 research. Yeah. That's definitely research. That's 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.100 definitely research. Yeah. I mean, you consider 00:11:35.100 --> 00:11:37.059 me the lead researcher then. Yes, I did a lot 00:11:37.059 --> 00:11:39.559 of research. I have several papers written on 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:43.480 it. Seeing is believing, okay? You can read about 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:45.779 it all damn day, but until you actually see it, 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:48.799 then you know what, you know. So great. Good. 00:11:49.419 --> 00:11:51.440 That's a very good, that's a very good cook. 00:11:51.980 --> 00:11:55.279 Please continue. Please continue. Yep. So, Victoria. 00:11:55.500 --> 00:11:58.200 Oh, go ahead. No, no, go ahead. What happened 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:00.279 after that? Actually, I was going to let you 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:03.259 go ahead. There's, I guess there's, I mean, you 00:12:03.259 --> 00:12:05.919 know, that led into going into Adult Friend Finder, 00:12:05.980 --> 00:12:09.080 which was the worst thing in the world. Because 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:12.399 it felt like, you know, from going to nothing, 00:12:12.539 --> 00:12:16.240 when we met and started dating, you know, at 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:19.429 this point. As of today, we've been together 00:12:19.429 --> 00:12:23.009 for 30 years. Dating apps were not a thing. The 00:12:23.009 --> 00:12:27.169 internet was barely a thing. And so he said, 00:12:27.169 --> 00:12:30.970 hey, let's get on Adult Friend Finder. And I'm 00:12:30.970 --> 00:12:33.889 like, it was awful. I said, get me off of this 00:12:33.889 --> 00:12:36.129 thing. It feels like I just have like dongs flying 00:12:36.129 --> 00:12:38.950 at my face all day long. I just, I'm overwhelmed. 00:12:39.289 --> 00:12:43.029 This is, it's not attractive. There's yeah, there's 00:12:43.029 --> 00:12:45.850 no communication. I'm not interested. So I said, 00:12:46.029 --> 00:12:47.909 yeah, I'm going to take the reins on this and 00:12:47.909 --> 00:12:50.789 I'm going to figure this out. So I basically 00:12:50.789 --> 00:12:54.389 Googled because I told him that I said, you know, 00:12:54.470 --> 00:12:57.049 I think this is the single male thing is probably 00:12:57.049 --> 00:12:59.210 too complicated. I think swinging is going to 00:12:59.210 --> 00:13:02.490 be easier. Obviously another terrible assumption, 00:13:02.730 --> 00:13:06.889 but so I said, yeah, it was awful. So I Googled, 00:13:06.889 --> 00:13:10.730 how do you find swingers in the state that we're 00:13:10.730 --> 00:13:16.740 in? And it led me to Cassidy, which was a site. 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:20.960 And so we got on Cassidy and I told James, I 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:22.600 said, okay, if we're going to do this and if 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.200 we're going to try this, we're going to go where 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:28.960 swingers congregate. So we're going to go on 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:31.259 a cruise. And we're going to be locked at sea 00:13:31.259 --> 00:13:33.000 with all these swingers. And by the end of this, 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:34.840 we're going to know if we like it or not. We 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:36.820 don't like it. We can just stay in our room and 00:13:36.820 --> 00:13:39.320 order room service. So that's what we did. And 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:44.100 we basically scheduled a cruise and started talking 00:13:44.100 --> 00:13:46.120 with people. And I kind of got over that thing, 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:49.080 thinking that I was too old or, you know, all 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:51.899 of the things that one thinks, the negative talk 00:13:51.899 --> 00:13:55.200 that people have about themselves. And we booked 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:58.820 this cruise. and it was all alcohol was included 00:13:58.820 --> 00:14:00.860 and i said we're gonna we're gonna find a way 00:14:00.860 --> 00:14:02.460 to have a good time even if we don't like that 00:14:02.460 --> 00:14:05.500 part of it and then we started talking with couples 00:14:05.500 --> 00:14:07.879 and single males and the weekend before the cruise 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:09.460 we're like okay we're gonna rip the band -aid 00:14:09.460 --> 00:14:13.080 off and so we spent one night with a couple and 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:14.940 another night with a single male and we said 00:14:14.940 --> 00:14:16.840 okay this worked great let's go on the cruise 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:19.299 and so that's kind of how we started and the 00:14:19.299 --> 00:14:23.460 it was it was it was honestly and you guys know 00:14:23.460 --> 00:14:26.649 this by now since we've met that it was really 00:14:26.649 --> 00:14:30.309 my intentions were pure of the single male and 00:14:30.309 --> 00:14:33.250 then she brought up doing the couple thing and 00:14:33.250 --> 00:14:35.470 swinging I'm like well you know if you're gonna 00:14:35.470 --> 00:14:37.549 call me up to smash and pussy I guess I'll guess 00:14:37.549 --> 00:14:40.769 I'll jump in if I have to he was such a trooper 00:14:40.769 --> 00:14:44.429 yeah he was such a so we really dabbled in Both, 00:14:44.429 --> 00:14:48.549 you know. Yeah. And our philosophy was we're 00:14:48.549 --> 00:14:50.730 going to try everything twice because we don't 00:14:50.730 --> 00:14:53.950 know anything about anything. And I'm not going 00:14:53.950 --> 00:14:57.610 to have any idea of what I enjoy or not until 00:14:57.610 --> 00:15:01.870 I do all the things. And so that started a year 00:15:01.870 --> 00:15:04.269 of what I call drinking from a fire hose, so 00:15:04.269 --> 00:15:08.360 to speak, of us. gone like all the weekends, 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:10.700 every other weekend, always doing something, 00:15:10.779 --> 00:15:12.299 always going somewhere, traveling, traveling, 00:15:12.419 --> 00:15:15.200 traveling, meeting people, doing things. And 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:17.279 yeah, that was about for the first year. And 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:19.139 then we kind of got into our groove and kind 00:15:19.139 --> 00:15:24.019 of really figured what we liked. And during that 00:15:24.019 --> 00:15:26.919 time, we were, it was couples and single males. 00:15:27.519 --> 00:15:31.500 both and kind of navigating both of those realms 00:15:31.500 --> 00:15:34.960 and still doing things. FLR, we had contract, 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:39.059 we have a contract between us. We had rules and, 00:15:39.059 --> 00:15:42.059 and things that we had. And so it, we were doing, 00:15:42.100 --> 00:15:45.019 we were kind of living in both existences and 00:15:45.019 --> 00:15:49.779 really it was, James gave me the, the space to 00:15:49.779 --> 00:15:52.600 really figure out what I liked and he just went 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:56.360 at the direction of it. So it was really great, 00:15:56.460 --> 00:15:58.500 and he was always really, really great and supportive 00:15:58.500 --> 00:16:01.299 for whatever I want. And he still is this way. 00:16:01.379 --> 00:16:03.759 Whatever I want to do, wherever I want to go. 00:16:03.820 --> 00:16:05.440 If I want to take a break, I take a break. If 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:09.240 I don't, I don't. And he's just along to support 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:12.220 me along with it, which is amazing. Okay, let's 00:16:12.220 --> 00:16:16.139 rewind. Tell me about the contract. Well, so, 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:18.759 yeah, we started the contract because, you know, 00:16:18.820 --> 00:16:21.799 we Googled it, and we figured out what do we 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:26.519 do. This is something. And I was trying to figure 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:31.179 it out. I'd done books and stuff, and we Googled 00:16:31.179 --> 00:16:34.059 how to put together a contract. And so the contract 00:16:34.059 --> 00:16:37.539 was really clear as to what his position was, 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:42.240 what the philosophy was with me, and what he 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:45.440 deferred to me in. There were areas where he's 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:49.149 actually better at things than me. That sounds 00:16:49.149 --> 00:16:51.169 really actually rude, but of course he's better 00:16:51.169 --> 00:16:55.169 at things than I am. But I, yeah, so I deferred 00:16:55.169 --> 00:16:57.269 to him to those things, but I have the final 00:16:57.269 --> 00:17:00.129 say in things. We have rules that he, from that 00:17:00.129 --> 00:17:01.970 moment when we made that decision, there was 00:17:01.970 --> 00:17:04.869 no masturbation on his part. You know, I cage 00:17:04.869 --> 00:17:08.690 him when I want to. That's completely my decision. 00:17:09.750 --> 00:17:14.450 And, and kind of, you know, just that he is in 00:17:14.450 --> 00:17:18.960 all things. It's the basis of him doing things 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:23.059 for me. Today is about how you think? Yeah, that 00:17:23.059 --> 00:17:25.980 roughly sums it up. Did I miss anything in there? 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:27.880 I'll tell you if you miss something. Whatever, 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:31.160 shut up. Just kidding. I love that. You guys 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:35.019 didn't think that was as funny as we did. I'm 00:17:35.019 --> 00:17:38.119 going to beat his ass after this, and you won't 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:40.059 be able to see the mark. I didn't want to sound 00:17:40.059 --> 00:17:41.599 like a total pussy in front of everybody, so 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:43.359 I'll try to sound tough for a moment. I know. 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:45.400 I say that I beat his ass, but he'd like it too 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:48.700 much. Yeah. Or I could help out with that, you 00:17:48.700 --> 00:17:50.920 know. I like to help you sometimes. Yes. Sorry, 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:53.400 Brain. Did that answer your question? Yeah, that 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:57.180 pretty much tapped into everything. Sounds good. 00:17:57.279 --> 00:17:59.660 And then we'd go to Sunday breakfast and we'd 00:17:59.660 --> 00:18:02.539 kind of review it for a bit. And we just did 00:18:02.539 --> 00:18:05.339 re -up of it probably about three or four months 00:18:05.339 --> 00:18:08.900 ago. We went through it and updated it and went 00:18:08.900 --> 00:18:11.119 through it and made sure that everything looked 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:13.900 correct. And sometimes if we feel like we're 00:18:13.900 --> 00:18:16.819 getting off base, we'll go back to it and return 00:18:16.819 --> 00:18:20.740 to it. Yeah, and part of that is obviously that 00:18:20.740 --> 00:18:25.579 she has complete sexual freedom. regardless of 00:18:25.579 --> 00:18:29.819 checking with me or not. I love that. But I actually 00:18:29.819 --> 00:18:34.819 don't exercise that because I also understand 00:18:34.819 --> 00:18:39.819 that when I'm given such incredible freedom and 00:18:39.819 --> 00:18:42.700 power within the relationship, that I'm also, 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:45.440 you know, that's an incredible responsibility 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:49.380 and I need to be very cautious and careful about 00:18:49.380 --> 00:18:52.259 how I wield that kind of power. Nice Spider -Man 00:18:52.259 --> 00:18:55.759 quote. Stop it. It's not a Spider -Man quote. 00:18:56.099 --> 00:18:58.779 With great power comes great responsibility. 00:18:59.019 --> 00:19:03.460 I did not say that. You were pretty close. Thanks 00:19:03.460 --> 00:19:08.140 for the backup on that. I selfishly want to get 00:19:08.140 --> 00:19:13.279 to the juicy part of how we know Victoria and 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:17.230 James and how we... had an interaction with them, 00:19:17.269 --> 00:19:19.230 our first interaction with them. Can we talk 00:19:19.230 --> 00:19:22.490 about that? Patience, siren, patience. We'll 00:19:22.490 --> 00:19:25.930 get to it. Yeah, that was fantastic. Oh, yeah. 00:19:26.029 --> 00:19:27.670 I mean, trust me, we're going to get into that 00:19:27.670 --> 00:19:30.430 one. I want to tell my listeners, I make bold 00:19:30.430 --> 00:19:32.650 statements. This is not, Victoria and James are 00:19:32.650 --> 00:19:34.069 too humble for this, so I'm going to speak for 00:19:34.069 --> 00:19:38.130 them. In my humble opinion, this is an exemplary 00:19:38.130 --> 00:19:40.829 couple. Let me review what they said. They had 00:19:40.829 --> 00:19:44.400 a conversation. The cuck. did his own research 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:47.319 first. And go back to our episode in season one 00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:50.720 about research. I don't know what number it is, 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:54.119 but we'll put that in the show notes. So they 00:19:54.119 --> 00:19:55.660 started off with their own kind of research, 00:19:55.720 --> 00:19:57.799 and porn is research. That's fine. I wouldn't 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:00.640 recommend porn, but because I did with, actually 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:03.779 I started with the porn and Adult Friend Finder, 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:05.599 and I loved it. So we can talk about that end 00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:08.480 of it. But they started with research. Then they 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:11.390 had a good conversation. Then they researched 00:20:11.390 --> 00:20:13.329 more, and she mentioned some books. I'd love 00:20:13.329 --> 00:20:15.730 to hear what those books are later. And then 00:20:15.730 --> 00:20:18.269 they did more research, and then they just jumped 00:20:18.269 --> 00:20:22.049 in. I mean, after that, they came up with a contract 00:20:22.049 --> 00:20:24.210 because the research said that might be the best 00:20:24.210 --> 00:20:26.390 way to handle these things. Write them down. 00:20:26.769 --> 00:20:29.269 We just helped another couple, and they called 00:20:29.269 --> 00:20:32.190 it a constitution, and we love that. You write 00:20:32.190 --> 00:20:35.049 it down because people forget, people don't remember. 00:20:35.509 --> 00:20:41.099 You might be in the moment. That's beautiful. 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:44.380 And then they execute it. And then they go back 00:20:44.380 --> 00:20:46.680 and they sit down and they review everything. 00:20:46.839 --> 00:20:50.240 That is the best way to do it. In my opinion, 00:20:50.299 --> 00:20:52.500 again, there's other ways. I'm not saying that 00:20:52.500 --> 00:20:57.720 there isn't other models of starting. But I believe 00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:00.160 this couple is exemplary because of those foundational 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:04.000 principles that we always talk about in this 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:06.849 episode. And they're too humble to say it, so 00:21:06.849 --> 00:21:08.829 I'm going to toot their horn. And that's why 00:21:08.829 --> 00:21:12.369 I have them on because, or I invited them to 00:21:12.369 --> 00:21:15.930 come share their story because there's many ways 00:21:15.930 --> 00:21:18.750 to do it. But she's authentically this, guys. 00:21:19.009 --> 00:21:21.970 Like, these couple, this is who they authentically 00:21:21.970 --> 00:21:26.509 are. And my theory is that because they took 00:21:26.509 --> 00:21:30.130 their professionalism as professionals, as parents, 00:21:30.349 --> 00:21:33.369 as adults in this world, and they took some of 00:21:33.369 --> 00:21:35.630 those things. and they applied it into their 00:21:35.630 --> 00:21:38.609 everyday life and their lifestyle, it was easy 00:21:38.609 --> 00:21:41.589 transition. Would you guys agree, Victoria and 00:21:41.589 --> 00:21:43.829 James? Well, I mean, I think that that's incredibly 00:21:43.829 --> 00:21:47.789 complimentary of you. We totally left out all 00:21:47.789 --> 00:21:50.049 of the parts where we totally fucked up, and 00:21:50.049 --> 00:21:52.230 we had to, you know, things blew up, and we had 00:21:52.230 --> 00:21:54.150 to pick up the pieces and kind of figure out 00:21:54.150 --> 00:21:57.789 what to do. So, I mean, which we would now tell 00:21:57.789 --> 00:22:00.970 you that none of that was bad. It was all wonderful 00:22:00.970 --> 00:22:05.420 way, I should say. a segue into great communication 00:22:05.420 --> 00:22:09.359 hard at the time but we like when i said we tried 00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:12.220 everything we did and we just kind of did it 00:22:12.220 --> 00:22:14.859 and then figured out about how we felt about 00:22:14.859 --> 00:22:18.920 it afterwards so i mean i think that you give 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:22.640 us a lot of accolades and a lot of a lot of credit 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:25.680 and we did have a very very very solid foundation 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:30.220 prior to engaging in all of this but like people 00:22:30.220 --> 00:22:34.710 say time and time again if if you when you engage 00:22:34.710 --> 00:22:37.710 in this it definitely highlights any cracks in 00:22:37.710 --> 00:22:42.170 your foundation and you quickly figure out how 00:22:42.170 --> 00:22:44.170 to resolve those you know if you're going to 00:22:44.170 --> 00:22:46.289 have any sort of longevity i would think in this 00:22:46.289 --> 00:22:48.809 and i think you brought up a great point about 00:22:48.809 --> 00:22:52.690 research i mean now i certainly have like many 00:22:52.690 --> 00:22:56.250 many more better resources where if some guy 00:22:56.250 --> 00:23:00.259 is thinking of talking to his wife and introducing 00:23:00.259 --> 00:23:02.940 these concepts there's a lot of stuff out there 00:23:02.940 --> 00:23:05.160 that are much much better than obviously porn 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:07.839 because it's it's counter to what you should 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:10.440 be doing i mean like evolvingyourman .com and 00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:12.640 some other books there's some really good stuff 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:14.839 out there that you can introduce to your wife 00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:17.519 that is really that will introduce it in the 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:19.819 correct way where she can digest it better i 00:23:19.819 --> 00:23:23.700 think yeah but anyway thank you for for the for 00:23:23.700 --> 00:23:27.230 the thoughtful comments for us Yeah, and, you 00:23:27.230 --> 00:23:30.289 know, I pride myself on being authentic. Like, 00:23:30.329 --> 00:23:33.230 I got some couples I'm like, I just told a couple, 00:23:33.309 --> 00:23:35.549 I think you need to get out and take a break 00:23:35.549 --> 00:23:39.190 because y 'all are tripping. I have no compunction 00:23:39.190 --> 00:23:42.690 telling people, you know, where I think they 00:23:42.690 --> 00:23:45.089 are because I'm always coming from a place of 00:23:45.089 --> 00:23:47.190 love and I want to see everybody in this lifestyle 00:23:47.190 --> 00:23:51.089 win. And, yeah, and some people, you know, me 00:23:51.089 --> 00:23:53.150 and Siren didn't have 30 years under our belt, 00:23:53.210 --> 00:23:56.839 but I worked extremely hard. And she put up with 00:23:56.839 --> 00:23:59.720 my craziness to build a really— I still am. Oh, 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:02.339 yes. To build a really strong, solid foundation. 00:24:02.339 --> 00:24:05.339 And I drilled her. And I practiced. And we talked. 00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:08.599 And we went over a lot of things. And to her 00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:12.539 credit, she said, bet. I will meet it and exceed 00:24:12.539 --> 00:24:15.099 it. And she did. And she leapfrogged me in some 00:24:15.099 --> 00:24:19.329 ways. In some ways, I'm learning from her. I 00:24:19.329 --> 00:24:22.130 just really love that foundation. So talk to 00:24:22.130 --> 00:24:24.869 us about the FLR part. I think it just kind of 00:24:24.869 --> 00:24:31.390 goes back to the contract and that at the end 00:24:31.390 --> 00:24:35.589 of the day, I am the person who calls the shots 00:24:35.589 --> 00:24:39.890 on it. I think we also have a few ritual things. 00:24:40.089 --> 00:24:44.750 Like, for example, every day once we get up, 00:24:44.750 --> 00:24:47.779 I make her coffee and bring it to her. And once 00:24:47.779 --> 00:24:50.299 she gets out of the shower, I immediately bring 00:24:50.299 --> 00:24:53.019 the towel and towel her off. Those are just a 00:24:53.019 --> 00:24:55.140 couple of... You make the bed every day. Yeah, 00:24:55.140 --> 00:24:57.720 and I make the bed. I think one of the most important 00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:01.720 things that someone will learn, a wife who is 00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:04.279 not stressed starts thinking about sex more. 00:25:04.420 --> 00:25:07.150 A super stressed wife... Does not think about 00:25:07.150 --> 00:25:12.329 sex very much. Hallelujah. Preach. Amen. James, 00:25:12.569 --> 00:25:16.349 you're turning me on. Oh, yeah. James, hold on. 00:25:16.349 --> 00:25:18.630 Should I say non -stressed wife a few more times? 00:25:18.789 --> 00:25:21.950 Hold on. Hold the fuck. Gentlemen out there. 00:25:22.089 --> 00:25:25.710 Doing dishes. James. I'm touching my nipples 00:25:25.710 --> 00:25:29.289 now. Okay. So I'm going to be talking about this 00:25:29.289 --> 00:25:33.089 in the future. It's called frame in the manosphere 00:25:33.089 --> 00:25:37.690 community. What that means is, is that when you 00:25:37.690 --> 00:25:41.390 give a woman the space and freedom to feel secure 00:25:41.390 --> 00:25:46.890 and safe and non -judged, and like I said, and 00:25:46.890 --> 00:25:49.529 quiet her mind, and that's what he's talking 00:25:49.529 --> 00:25:52.349 about, relieving the stress, then that helps 00:25:52.349 --> 00:25:58.430 activate a woman's natural juices, her natural 00:25:58.430 --> 00:26:02.250 desires, her natural fantasies. And so that's 00:26:02.250 --> 00:26:05.490 why I say this is an exemplary couple because 00:26:05.490 --> 00:26:08.349 James is a smart motherfucker. He knows what 00:26:08.349 --> 00:26:10.369 he's talking about, y 'all. So gentlemen out 00:26:10.369 --> 00:26:14.069 there, listen. Love it, love it. So, okay, Siren, 00:26:14.190 --> 00:26:17.170 I'll let you go ahead. So what happened is we 00:26:17.170 --> 00:26:20.759 had connected. And I'll let you take over from 00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:23.079 that point to leading up to the juicy stuff because 00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:24.779 I know you're really excited about that. Hey, 00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:28.480 I know James is too. And James and I, it's funny 00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:31.019 with the female lead because then, you know, 00:26:31.019 --> 00:26:34.380 James and I kind of took over this part. So we 00:26:34.380 --> 00:26:37.480 had talked about having my back. Okay, there 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:41.200 we go. And I don't remember who brought up the 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:45.700 whole thing, but I had talked to Michael C. about 00:26:45.700 --> 00:26:48.819 cuck sitting. And for those of you not familiar 00:26:48.819 --> 00:26:52.460 with that, because it's it's really, you know, 00:26:52.460 --> 00:26:55.680 not talked about a lot, but it's really fun. 00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:58.400 And I had talked to Michael C. and he said, well, 00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:01.859 what why do you want to do it? And I said, because 00:27:01.859 --> 00:27:07.539 I just feel so excited by the idea of watching 00:27:07.539 --> 00:27:12.190 my husband sit there, you know. play with this 00:27:12.190 --> 00:27:16.390 woman and please her and ravish her while sitting 00:27:16.390 --> 00:27:18.890 next to her husband and talking to him about 00:27:18.890 --> 00:27:21.849 it. And I said, you know, whether that helps 00:27:21.849 --> 00:27:24.890 him to, you know, be more calm about the situation, 00:27:24.970 --> 00:27:29.390 to enjoy that situation, etc. I just want to 00:27:29.390 --> 00:27:32.849 be in service to that cuckold couple. So I think 00:27:32.849 --> 00:27:36.470 what kind of brought it up is that at the second 00:27:36.470 --> 00:27:39.990 Splash Mocha that we went to, My husband was 00:27:39.990 --> 00:27:42.690 playing with this woman and I ended up sitting 00:27:42.690 --> 00:27:46.170 next to her husband and just watching. And I 00:27:46.170 --> 00:27:48.910 said, do you want me to like suck a dick or something? 00:27:49.089 --> 00:27:52.109 Like, you know, can I do something for you? I 00:27:52.109 --> 00:27:55.230 was just like, he's like, oh, no, no, no. I just 00:27:55.230 --> 00:27:57.609 watch. And he's like, but we can talk. And I 00:27:57.609 --> 00:27:59.809 was like, oh, OK. And then at that same event, 00:27:59.910 --> 00:28:01.710 I watched him play with another woman and sat 00:28:01.710 --> 00:28:03.990 next to the husband. And that husband, he's like, 00:28:04.049 --> 00:28:06.509 I said, OK, so we just sit here and talk, you 00:28:06.509 --> 00:28:09.150 know. And he said, oh, he's like, well, he's 00:28:09.150 --> 00:28:11.549 like, these are her events, but I do play outside 00:28:11.549 --> 00:28:14.089 of here. So it kind of just brought the idea 00:28:14.089 --> 00:28:16.490 going. Well, then we started talking to Victoria 00:28:16.490 --> 00:28:20.400 and James. And kind of brought the idea of cucksitting 00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:23.740 to them. And we kind of just explored the idea 00:28:23.740 --> 00:28:27.000 and how it would work with them. And kind of 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:29.279 all four of us learned together. And it was really 00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:31.599 a really cool thing. Did you have something, 00:28:31.740 --> 00:28:33.920 Socrates? Yeah, I was going to say, that's because 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:36.599 I'm fun to watch, y 'all. I'm fun to watch. If 00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:40.140 you do say so yourself. And we had actually. 00:28:40.890 --> 00:28:43.769 Oh, I'm probably jumping ahead about this, but 00:28:43.769 --> 00:28:46.529 we had actually dabbled in this once before, 00:28:46.829 --> 00:28:51.589 not to necessarily the same level, but I had 00:28:51.589 --> 00:28:55.930 played with the power exchange of giving the 00:28:55.930 --> 00:28:58.970 key to another woman before. And that was kind 00:28:58.970 --> 00:29:02.059 of the conversation that you and I had had. siren 00:29:02.059 --> 00:29:05.039 about, okay, you know, what does this look like? 00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:07.579 What does it do? And so for me, it was a bit 00:29:07.579 --> 00:29:10.480 of a ritualistic thing to say, okay, if you're 00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:13.740 going to cook sit him and you're going to manage 00:29:13.740 --> 00:29:15.180 it, I'm going to give you this key. So I'm not 00:29:15.180 --> 00:29:17.839 going to worry about it anymore. I now provide 00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:21.839 you with the responsibility of this and do what 00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:24.480 you will with it. I've subcontracted. Right. 00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:29.019 And from my perspective, when you're talking 00:29:29.019 --> 00:29:30.880 about this, you're describing that other event 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:33.539 and the guy says, yeah, I'm just watching. And 00:29:33.539 --> 00:29:36.660 I'm thinking like, wait a minute, my wife getting 00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:39.119 ravaged by some other guy and I'm sitting there 00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:41.440 with his wife and she's dirty talking about how 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:44.000 great it is. Like, fuck yeah, sign me up. This 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:48.440 sounds amazing. And it was, yeah, it was even 00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:51.190 better than that when it happened. Right. So 00:29:51.190 --> 00:29:55.529 I messaged Victoria privately and I said, hey, 00:29:55.690 --> 00:29:58.509 so I've never done this. I'm very excited, but 00:29:58.509 --> 00:30:01.049 I want to know what your guidelines are. What 00:30:01.049 --> 00:30:03.670 are my do's? What are my don'ts? And then, like 00:30:03.670 --> 00:30:06.650 she said, she brought up giving me the key. And 00:30:06.650 --> 00:30:09.289 I said, whew, I immediately caught my breath. 00:30:09.329 --> 00:30:12.170 I said, that is a lot of responsibility. And 00:30:12.170 --> 00:30:14.069 I said, let me talk to my husband about that 00:30:14.069 --> 00:30:17.549 because. I don't know, you know, if I want to 00:30:17.549 --> 00:30:19.970 do that, should I do that? So Socrates and I 00:30:19.970 --> 00:30:22.410 talked it over and, you know, and he said, she's 00:30:22.410 --> 00:30:24.569 offering it to you. Just find out all the do's 00:30:24.569 --> 00:30:26.170 and don'ts and you'll be fine. And I said, okay. 00:30:26.490 --> 00:30:29.829 And then I was very like, whew, angsty, you know, 00:30:29.869 --> 00:30:33.630 about that whole key thing. And so in the group 00:30:33.630 --> 00:30:36.289 chat, I know Socrates and Victoria were flirting 00:30:36.289 --> 00:30:39.589 back and forth. And then James and I, we were 00:30:39.589 --> 00:30:43.150 creating the fantasy. James right away had a 00:30:43.150 --> 00:30:45.450 lot of ideas of what would be going on. And it 00:30:45.450 --> 00:30:48.970 was hilarious because, you know, Victoria was 00:30:48.970 --> 00:30:51.470 very generous with her do's and don'ts as well. 00:30:51.710 --> 00:30:55.230 I have since cuck sat for a couple of other couples 00:30:55.230 --> 00:30:59.950 and they weren't quite so, the wife wasn't quite 00:30:59.950 --> 00:31:02.509 as generous and that is totally fine. I said, 00:31:02.529 --> 00:31:05.009 I can do anything from sit there and just sit 00:31:05.009 --> 00:31:08.349 with him and be quiet. all the way to whatever 00:31:08.349 --> 00:31:10.930 you want, which you will hear more about in a 00:31:10.930 --> 00:31:14.230 second. Or you can either sit there or sit on 00:31:14.230 --> 00:31:16.390 my face. Yeah. Are those two choices? Right. 00:31:16.670 --> 00:31:19.349 So when we asked, I said, well, James, what does 00:31:19.349 --> 00:31:22.269 this look like for you? And he said, well, you 00:31:22.269 --> 00:31:25.470 know, go ahead and say what you, you know, what 00:31:25.470 --> 00:31:28.130 one of your ideas was. Oh, God, I'm trying to, 00:31:28.190 --> 00:31:31.569 because I had a lot of ideas. Well, James should 00:31:31.569 --> 00:31:35.089 be an erotic writer. He should. The man has nothing 00:31:35.089 --> 00:31:38.630 but... It was like unending fantasies. I just 00:31:38.630 --> 00:31:40.849 don't want to like not do it justice. It was 00:31:40.849 --> 00:31:43.890 so descriptive. It like, I was like, I didn't 00:31:43.890 --> 00:31:45.849 know that I was going to get all turned on by 00:31:45.849 --> 00:31:48.529 this. I went in, I was a very service minded, 00:31:48.730 --> 00:31:51.210 you know, going to help out and everything. And 00:31:51.210 --> 00:31:53.470 I didn't realize how great it would be, you know, 00:31:53.470 --> 00:31:56.490 for a turn on for everyone. So he described, 00:31:56.630 --> 00:31:59.230 you know, like basically like me sitting on his 00:31:59.230 --> 00:32:02.730 face. and just telling him about what was going 00:32:02.730 --> 00:32:05.589 on with his wife and my husband. And it would 00:32:05.589 --> 00:32:09.269 basically be something like this. Yeah. So Victoria 00:32:09.269 --> 00:32:11.950 and Socrates will be blah, blah, blah, blah, 00:32:12.009 --> 00:32:14.289 blah, blah. And then he it was like very boring. 00:32:14.329 --> 00:32:16.690 And then whatever him and I were doing, he was 00:32:16.690 --> 00:32:21.009 very descriptive and very erotic. He was very 00:32:21.009 --> 00:32:24.549 excited about being cucksat, you know, very excited. 00:32:24.549 --> 00:32:27.309 And that just made it even more fun because, 00:32:27.349 --> 00:32:29.769 you know, you could just feel his excitement 00:32:29.769 --> 00:32:34.009 coming out. So then we get to, you know, it's 00:32:34.009 --> 00:32:36.490 probably four months of us all talking and planning 00:32:36.490 --> 00:32:39.609 everything. And then we get to Fort Lauderdale 00:32:39.609 --> 00:32:43.250 Splash Mocha. And, you know, we go and talk to 00:32:43.250 --> 00:32:46.390 them. It was Wednesday night. And, you know, 00:32:46.410 --> 00:32:48.309 we're all excited. We're going to go do this. 00:32:48.349 --> 00:32:50.329 And we only talked very shortly. And then we 00:32:50.329 --> 00:32:53.450 said, let's just go, you know. So I had planned 00:32:53.450 --> 00:32:57.509 out an outfit. Very strappy, very dominatrix 00:32:57.509 --> 00:33:00.769 looking. I had a flogger. She was going to give 00:33:00.769 --> 00:33:03.210 me his key, this whole thing. So I was really, 00:33:03.269 --> 00:33:06.289 you know, getting into the character of this 00:33:06.289 --> 00:33:09.769 cucksitter. I think we planned more about that 00:33:09.769 --> 00:33:13.900 aspect of it than... actually victorian socrates 00:33:13.900 --> 00:33:17.099 playing oh because that's the only reason because 00:33:17.099 --> 00:33:20.440 the day i saw her i already had my plan set i 00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:22.559 was like i've been waiting on this shit for a 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:26.119 year i know what i'm gonna do and i you know 00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:31.980 and in all fairness i am such a like black and 00:33:31.980 --> 00:33:35.769 white Type A. Black and white. Oh, black and 00:33:35.769 --> 00:33:41.109 white. That too. But I am very literal. I am 00:33:41.109 --> 00:33:44.490 not a creative person and he's the fantasy person. 00:33:44.710 --> 00:33:47.509 He's the one who has the ideas. I am so literal 00:33:47.509 --> 00:33:50.769 that I would never even be able to imagine that 00:33:50.769 --> 00:33:55.210 in a million years. So it's really, really handy 00:33:55.210 --> 00:33:58.210 for him to be able to have that creative aspect 00:33:58.210 --> 00:34:02.960 of it. And for me. It actually feels really great 00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:05.960 to have no plans and to say, Siren, you're a 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:09.139 fantastic grown ass woman. Here's the key. Do 00:34:09.139 --> 00:34:11.579 what you will. He knows if it's something he 00:34:11.579 --> 00:34:13.440 shouldn't do and he'll let you know. And then 00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:14.960 I'm going to go about my business. I don't have 00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:19.639 to worry about it. i'm business y 'all i'm the 00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:21.579 business she was talking about but i mean it's 00:34:21.579 --> 00:34:24.980 actually very freeing and the our relationship 00:34:24.980 --> 00:34:28.039 is so much in my turn on that i found out over 00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.539 all of this is the power differential it's all 00:34:30.539 --> 00:34:34.250 about the power differential for me and And it 00:34:34.250 --> 00:34:38.269 was very, very fun and freeing. It's not for 00:34:38.269 --> 00:34:40.750 everyone. There are many in similar relationships 00:34:40.750 --> 00:34:44.889 to ours that would absolutely think this is a 00:34:44.889 --> 00:34:47.269 terrible idea and that I should never do that. 00:34:47.630 --> 00:34:52.469 I disagree. It's amazing. But at the end of the 00:34:52.469 --> 00:34:56.130 day, we do what works for us. And we are not 00:34:56.130 --> 00:34:59.719 kind of pigeonholed into any sort of box. talk 00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:02.420 to each other and we figure out what we enjoy 00:35:02.420 --> 00:35:05.400 and we go from there and we trust one another 00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:07.960 that we'll, we'll be able to manage whatever 00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:10.880 way we go. So all of that to say, that was kind 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:12.840 of the disclaimer of people think I'm a terrible 00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:15.880 cuckoldress. Yeah. It's, you know, that's why 00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:17.840 I say it's all the way from, Hey, I'll just sit 00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:20.940 quietly with him to, you know, what ended up 00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:25.019 happening, you know? So, you know, so we will 00:35:25.019 --> 00:35:27.920 arrive at the room. I had something over my outfit. 00:35:28.710 --> 00:35:32.429 as to not distract regular hotel patrons. And 00:35:32.429 --> 00:35:35.889 we go to the room. They have done a beautiful 00:35:35.889 --> 00:35:38.409 job with lighting and just really setting the 00:35:38.409 --> 00:35:42.409 mood. The music is going. It's a very welcoming 00:35:42.409 --> 00:35:47.289 and erotic environment. And immediately, as soon 00:35:47.289 --> 00:35:50.710 as I am in the room and the door is closed and 00:35:50.710 --> 00:35:53.869 Socrates is behind me, James falls down in front 00:35:53.869 --> 00:35:58.860 of me and says, May I undress you? And I don't 00:35:58.860 --> 00:36:01.920 remember if he if he called me a queen or something. 00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:03.860 I don't I have no idea. I can't remember that 00:36:03.860 --> 00:36:06.179 part. But I just remember he just immediately 00:36:06.179 --> 00:36:08.960 fell down and was like just shaking with excitement 00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:13.260 and asked to help me undress. And so, you know, 00:36:13.260 --> 00:36:15.280 he helped me take the outfit on that was over 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:19.460 it. And he was just his eyes were as big as saucers. 00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:23.820 And it was just such so exciting the entire time 00:36:23.820 --> 00:36:27.320 and the entire focus. You know, we thought. That 00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:29.559 maybe, you know, we were going to sit and we 00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:33.880 were going to do all of this stuff. And Socrates 00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:36.539 and Victoria were going to get into their play. 00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:41.280 And that is not what happened at all. So the 00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:47.090 focus of the... Red strappy outfit. You remember, 00:36:47.090 --> 00:36:49.369 you remember that? It's a good thing he's caged. 00:36:49.389 --> 00:36:51.190 We're going to keep that boner under control. 00:36:51.250 --> 00:36:54.869 And I, and I didn't, I had a hard idea. Hard, 00:36:54.869 --> 00:36:59.030 sorry. Now I'm distracted. I had a hard time 00:36:59.030 --> 00:37:04.210 with the concept of punishing someone, but James 00:37:04.210 --> 00:37:06.369 was very disobedient. And so he got punished. 00:37:06.409 --> 00:37:08.769 And so that was, that was very easy after that, 00:37:08.769 --> 00:37:12.300 you know, and then I made him. undress himself 00:37:12.300 --> 00:37:16.400 and then you know just began running the flogger 00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:19.500 over him and and doing various things socrates 00:37:19.500 --> 00:37:21.880 who raised your hand Yeah, no, I want you to 00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:23.920 keep going. And there's one part I really want 00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:26.960 to just say myself. So just keep going. I just 00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:29.559 want to raise your hand when you want to say 00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:33.179 that. So we just proceeded. I just was teasing 00:37:33.179 --> 00:37:35.420 him. And, you know, he's like, may I touch you? 00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:37.900 And then I'd let him touch me. And then I'd say 00:37:37.900 --> 00:37:40.179 no. And I just, you know, we just played around 00:37:40.179 --> 00:37:43.840 with it because it was a first for me of, you 00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.699 know, having that control over another man. I 00:37:46.699 --> 00:37:50.440 never. had done anything like it before I never 00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:53.199 do anything dominating with my husband nor do 00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:56.239 I want to but because I was borrowing the power 00:37:56.239 --> 00:37:59.320 from Victoria it made it fun it made it excitement 00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:02.840 exciting it made it something you know that we 00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:06.460 were exploring so as we got further into it I 00:38:06.460 --> 00:38:09.380 did end up ordering him to lie down on the couch 00:38:09.380 --> 00:38:13.900 and then I was going to ride his face but then 00:38:13.900 --> 00:38:16.800 he touched me And I said, you did not have permission 00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:19.199 to touch me, and now you will wait. And then 00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:22.059 I got back up, and I wouldn't let him touch me, 00:38:22.099 --> 00:38:24.099 and he was just shaking with excitement the entire 00:38:24.099 --> 00:38:27.380 time. And, you know, just, you know, Socrates 00:38:27.380 --> 00:38:30.199 and Victoria, you know, began to get started. 00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.780 I began to reference to them, and then Socrates 00:38:32.780 --> 00:38:35.880 wants to tell this part. Yeah, so let me set 00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:39.039 the scene for y 'all. Yeah. I have expanded my 00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:44.199 palette of the ladies. And I always put vibe 00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:47.400 first. But you guys have to understand, when 00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:53.219 I designed in my mind the kind of elegant, classy, 00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:56.880 curvy, tall, and delicious woman, Victoria's 00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:59.179 it, y 'all. And I always said, pussy focuses 00:38:59.179 --> 00:39:01.619 me. I'm not the type of, I can be in a room, 00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:04.739 a crowded room, and what's in front of me, it 00:39:04.739 --> 00:39:09.559 focuses me. I'm always, I'm always mastering 00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:12.880 my craft. I'm always focused on the woman in 00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:15.960 front of me to give her the best experience I 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:19.320 can. And I'm sitting here and they're doing their 00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:21.659 thing and I'm like, okay, you know, let's move 00:39:21.659 --> 00:39:24.400 towards, I don't even remember what I did, but 00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:27.280 we moved slowly and we got to the point where 00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.980 she's laying on the bed and I'm telling you, 00:39:30.980 --> 00:39:35.840 nine times out of 10, 99 times out of 100, I'm 00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:38.900 like, Whatever is going on, I don't care. I got 00:39:38.900 --> 00:39:43.420 this beautiful, classy, delicious, good vibe 00:39:43.420 --> 00:39:46.860 woman in front of me. And this time I had, like 00:39:46.860 --> 00:39:50.320 she said, I don't ever get to see a dominant 00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:52.739 siren because she don't do that with me. She 00:39:52.739 --> 00:39:54.840 doesn't want to and she ain't doing it, even 00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:58.739 if she wanted to. And I saw that for the first 00:39:58.739 --> 00:40:02.380 time. And for the first time ever, I could not 00:40:02.380 --> 00:40:05.360 take my eyes off of those two guys. I was like. 00:40:05.869 --> 00:40:08.409 What the fuck is going on? Not two guys. I mean 00:40:08.409 --> 00:40:11.389 these two people, you know what I mean? I don't 00:40:11.389 --> 00:40:13.969 mean guys. Let's correct that, folks, quickly. 00:40:15.190 --> 00:40:19.750 These, you know, my wife and James. And I was 00:40:19.750 --> 00:40:22.570 like, I don't know what's going on. But at the 00:40:22.570 --> 00:40:25.730 same time, I feel like, Victoria, you felt the 00:40:25.730 --> 00:40:29.250 same way, right? Oh, 100%. But I had been in 00:40:29.250 --> 00:40:34.679 swinging positions with James. And he... James 00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:40.860 is very animated and he can definitely with his 00:40:40.860 --> 00:40:45.320 animation it causes and so a James Siren combo 00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:50.900 with all of this was like I mean it was so distracting 00:40:50.900 --> 00:40:54.349 in all of the best ways There was no way that 00:40:54.349 --> 00:40:55.849 you and I were going to be able to get done anything 00:40:55.849 --> 00:40:58.090 that we needed to get done while that amount 00:40:58.090 --> 00:41:00.849 of fireworks was happening. It was just a display. 00:41:01.510 --> 00:41:05.190 You could not help but stop and watch just at 00:41:05.190 --> 00:41:08.750 this really great power exchange and just great 00:41:08.750 --> 00:41:13.190 energy. And it was great to watch. And it was 00:41:13.190 --> 00:41:16.130 super fun for me to watch. handing over that 00:41:16.130 --> 00:41:18.210 power to someone else and seeing what they did 00:41:18.210 --> 00:41:20.829 with it because it was very it was similar to 00:41:20.829 --> 00:41:22.989 what i did but it had a different flavor so it 00:41:22.989 --> 00:41:24.789 was kind of a little artful watching someone 00:41:24.789 --> 00:41:28.329 else paint on the same canvas so to speak and 00:41:28.329 --> 00:41:31.949 it was so funny that as siren you're talking 00:41:31.949 --> 00:41:35.510 about this and and not being into dominating 00:41:35.510 --> 00:41:38.610 and i guess you looking back maybe you were a 00:41:38.610 --> 00:41:41.269 little bit reticent initially but boy you took 00:41:41.269 --> 00:41:44.760 it very quickly and it was amazing Took to it 00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:47.099 quite well. Girls, a quick study. Well, I guess 00:41:47.099 --> 00:41:50.239 it was, you know, in the vanilla world, you know, 00:41:50.260 --> 00:41:53.280 outside world, I have to do a lot of, you know, 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:57.900 decision making and stuff for work. And so I 00:41:57.900 --> 00:42:00.719 had never really wanted to be in the dominating 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:06.150 space, you know, in the lifestyle. And so. You 00:42:06.150 --> 00:42:08.710 know, that's still that personality came through, 00:42:08.750 --> 00:42:11.130 but it came through in such a fun way. It was 00:42:11.130 --> 00:42:14.349 like I didn't have to be there doing any of that. 00:42:14.409 --> 00:42:17.090 I got to be I got the privilege. You know, my 00:42:17.090 --> 00:42:20.050 husband was allowing me to to be there to do 00:42:20.050 --> 00:42:23.090 that. Those things. Victoria was giving me the 00:42:23.090 --> 00:42:26.429 power, you know, over her husband. And so that 00:42:26.429 --> 00:42:29.070 just made it a privilege. It made it fun. It 00:42:29.070 --> 00:42:31.670 didn't seem like any sort of work or anything 00:42:31.670 --> 00:42:33.630 that I would have imagined that it would be. 00:42:34.219 --> 00:42:36.340 And then I just got into it, you know, and at 00:42:36.340 --> 00:42:39.340 one point I shoved him up against the wall and 00:42:39.340 --> 00:42:42.460 I said, do you think that you're going to be 00:42:42.460 --> 00:42:45.900 able to fuck me with that little tiny dick? You 00:42:45.900 --> 00:42:48.199 better try. You better try because your queen 00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:50.539 over there is not going to let you be cuckset 00:42:50.539 --> 00:42:53.699 again unless you give it your full effort. And 00:42:53.699 --> 00:42:55.960 it was just fun. It was just moments like that. 00:42:56.179 --> 00:42:59.719 Or when I did finally ride his face and I waterboarded 00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.539 him with my squirt. We did that a couple of times. 00:43:03.210 --> 00:43:06.889 In the end, when we did, I did, you know, try 00:43:06.889 --> 00:43:08.530 to get the cage off at one point, and that was 00:43:08.530 --> 00:43:11.550 kind of comical because I imagined very differently. 00:43:11.550 --> 00:43:13.789 I imagined, like, just something with a padlock, 00:43:13.789 --> 00:43:17.289 and his, it was, like, fit together. So she had 00:43:17.289 --> 00:43:20.250 to get off the bed and come help me. You know, 00:43:20.250 --> 00:43:22.429 so just moments like that where we were learning 00:43:22.429 --> 00:43:25.530 and, you know, but then just as the scene was 00:43:25.530 --> 00:43:27.190 unfolding. I should have given you a chastity 00:43:27.190 --> 00:43:30.150 cage 101. Right, a little YouTube video of, like, 00:43:30.210 --> 00:43:32.170 how to take it apart and put it back together. 00:43:32.489 --> 00:43:35.590 to practice yes but i was yes the cylinder lock 00:43:35.590 --> 00:43:39.469 is not intuitive yeah i have one you can take 00:43:39.469 --> 00:43:42.869 off right now as we speak so right that thing's 00:43:42.869 --> 00:43:45.230 not coming off for a while it was you know and 00:43:45.230 --> 00:43:49.409 it's it was a lot of fun and it was trust in 00:43:49.409 --> 00:43:53.050 the individuals involved and it was great communication 00:43:53.050 --> 00:43:55.449 you guys it was fantastic to communicate with 00:43:55.449 --> 00:43:57.900 you And it was actually something we haven't 00:43:57.900 --> 00:44:02.360 replicated since because it's just a very selective, 00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:07.199 it's a very selective energy and situation. It's 00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:11.760 something that I enjoy, but I'm just selective 00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:13.900 as to who I would do that with. Yeah, I don't 00:44:13.900 --> 00:44:16.719 know about you guys that that could be replicated. 00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:20.679 You guys are amazing. And it was just the excitement 00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:22.860 and energy behind doing it. It was the complete 00:44:22.860 --> 00:44:26.780 respect of what was. happening and what I was 00:44:26.780 --> 00:44:29.920 doing by providing you with that power and it 00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:34.539 was yeah it the setup was perfect and I and I 00:44:34.539 --> 00:44:38.659 you know even though you know Socrates and I 00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:41.840 Did not in the moment accomplish what I think 00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:44.380 we had originally set out to do because we were 00:44:44.380 --> 00:44:47.340 distracted by the show, the three ring circus 00:44:47.340 --> 00:44:49.519 that was happening in the corner. Eventually 00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:51.579 I just asked if I could take your cuck to my 00:44:51.579 --> 00:44:54.340 room and we ate snacks and got in our jammies 00:44:54.340 --> 00:44:57.199 and let you guys have your fun. And that was 00:44:57.199 --> 00:44:59.219 really, really. Yeah. And that's the part of 00:44:59.219 --> 00:45:01.139 giving over the power is that you also have to 00:45:01.139 --> 00:45:03.320 be able to take care, do the aftercare with it 00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:06.059 too. So you did a lovely, lovely job with that. 00:45:06.099 --> 00:45:08.019 And before we cover any other part, I'd also 00:45:08.019 --> 00:45:10.929 like to say. premature ejaculation is the highest 00:45:10.929 --> 00:45:15.670 form of flattery. That has nothing to do with 00:45:15.670 --> 00:45:17.510 anything specific, just a general statement. 00:45:17.630 --> 00:45:19.530 Well, I got to tell you too, guys, that everything 00:45:19.530 --> 00:45:23.750 was so amazing and so stimulating and so hot 00:45:23.750 --> 00:45:26.070 that, you know what, that might've been the first 00:45:26.070 --> 00:45:28.010 time that it actually happened looking back, 00:45:28.070 --> 00:45:31.269 but James was unable, even though we took the 00:45:31.269 --> 00:45:36.090 cage off, he didn't get an erection really, even 00:45:36.090 --> 00:45:39.289 though he was so turned on. And then he, came 00:45:39.289 --> 00:45:42.110 anyways just trying to kind of like flop his 00:45:42.110 --> 00:45:45.110 little penis around on me and then i squirted 00:45:45.110 --> 00:45:47.510 i squirted all over him and he was not inside 00:45:47.510 --> 00:45:50.130 me just and he wasn't rubbing on me really he 00:45:50.130 --> 00:45:51.690 was just sort of flopping it on me like a little 00:45:51.690 --> 00:45:55.530 gummy worm and and it was so just the whole thing 00:45:55.530 --> 00:45:58.369 of being watched by socrates and victoria and 00:45:58.369 --> 00:46:02.489 that happening it i squirted on him and now i've 00:46:02.489 --> 00:46:05.670 been able to like squirt without really being 00:46:05.670 --> 00:46:10.579 like you know penetrated or you know specifically 00:46:10.579 --> 00:46:13.019 stimulated so I think that might have been the 00:46:13.019 --> 00:46:15.400 first time that that happened for me so that 00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:18.019 was a cool thing too that happened I thought 00:46:18.019 --> 00:46:21.739 was like why why am I this guy is not even inside 00:46:21.739 --> 00:46:24.119 me and I'm just like this whole situation is 00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:27.179 so cool that my body just responded that way 00:46:27.179 --> 00:46:30.219 so and then you know you gave me extra you're 00:46:30.219 --> 00:46:32.039 like for the rest of the weekend you know he 00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:34.679 can help you know do whatever you need him to 00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:38.500 do so he was my suntan lotion cook and ran and 00:46:38.500 --> 00:46:41.199 got us drinks and different things. And then 00:46:41.199 --> 00:46:43.360 when we, you know, saw you again, you allowed 00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:45.519 me the privilege of teasing him a little bit 00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:47.940 still, which, you know, not everyone wants to 00:46:47.940 --> 00:46:50.599 continue outside that. So I appreciate that privilege 00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:52.659 as well. Well, I think you bring up a really 00:46:52.659 --> 00:46:55.460 good point, though, that the mental stimulation, 00:46:55.460 --> 00:46:59.800 I think for us specifically, and that's why why 00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:05.650 cuckolding is just so. where we've landed i mean 00:47:05.650 --> 00:47:08.829 since that experience with you in 23 we have 00:47:08.829 --> 00:47:13.030 gone very much i mean very rarely the swinging 00:47:13.030 --> 00:47:18.750 situation and almost exclusively interracial 00:47:18.750 --> 00:47:22.059 cuckolding situations that have gotten you know, 00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:25.900 really, really clear that that is where we have 00:47:25.900 --> 00:47:28.500 landed in our journey. We never count anything 00:47:28.500 --> 00:47:31.340 out ever because you never know what kind of 00:47:31.340 --> 00:47:33.960 people you meet. We still go to swinging events 00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:38.659 because we have friends that are. We enjoy the 00:47:38.659 --> 00:47:42.659 fun, sexy atmosphere. But when we go to like 00:47:42.659 --> 00:47:47.159 utopia, the cuckold specific events, that is 00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:50.940 where we shine and flourish and are our freest, 00:47:50.940 --> 00:47:54.559 most wonderful sexual selves. I just heard there's 00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:56.920 possibly a chance I may get some strange in the 00:47:56.920 --> 00:47:59.940 future. Very small chance. God love them. You 00:47:59.940 --> 00:48:02.320 know what? That's part of what my job is, just 00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:05.059 to keep a little hope alive for them. What did 00:48:05.059 --> 00:48:07.380 I missed? What did you say, James? You might 00:48:07.380 --> 00:48:09.880 get what? I said there's a small chance I may 00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:12.679 get some strange in the future somewhere. Yeah, 00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:15.820 that's what I heard. Yeah. No, he's not. So we 00:48:15.820 --> 00:48:18.539 shall see. I have one question about Utopia regarding 00:48:18.539 --> 00:48:20.440 James. And then I really want to talk about the 00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:24.179 future of Victoria and James. I am a researcher. 00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:28.039 I love asking questions because I love seeing 00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:30.960 from other people's perspectives because perspective 00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:34.579 is one of the most powerful things. So I asked 00:48:34.579 --> 00:48:36.800 everybody, because I had worked with my boy Michael 00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:39.860 C., and we were helping cook and do all these 00:48:39.860 --> 00:48:42.519 other things for Utopia. You know, it's great. 00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:44.280 You guys should check it out. You know, check 00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:47.699 out Michael C.'s website and look into it. And 00:48:47.699 --> 00:48:50.780 so, but I was asking everybody. I really wanted 00:48:50.780 --> 00:48:53.599 to know their feedback. And James, do you remember 00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:56.139 what you had told me? Because that changed my 00:48:56.139 --> 00:48:59.599 whole perspective on co -coding, and it changed 00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:04.199 the trajectory of... of my lifestyle journey. 00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:06.539 Gosh, I guess I don't remember what I specifically 00:49:06.539 --> 00:49:08.760 said. You said something super profound. You 00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:11.940 did. So what I was asking everybody and he was 00:49:11.940 --> 00:49:15.539 like, he was like, you know, there's no place 00:49:15.539 --> 00:49:22.000 where we're like 100 % celebrated and 100 % accepted 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:25.420 and we could just be our authentic selves. And 00:49:25.420 --> 00:49:29.659 I was like, wow. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And I was 00:49:29.659 --> 00:49:33.059 like, wow, you mean, you know, All we need to 00:49:33.059 --> 00:49:35.800 do, and everybody wants this, they want their 00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:38.820 own place, their own home, their own community 00:49:38.820 --> 00:49:41.820 where they can just let loose and be themselves 00:49:41.820 --> 00:49:45.599 and not worry about, you know, people thinking 00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:49.599 it's weird or wrong or whatever they think. And 00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:53.260 that really inspired me because I was like, I 00:49:53.260 --> 00:49:57.219 can do that. You know, me and my wife, Siren, 00:49:57.280 --> 00:49:59.900 have been doing some form of events our entire 00:49:59.900 --> 00:50:06.610 lives. And we learned the ways of the lifestyle. 00:50:06.969 --> 00:50:09.610 And we're now learning how to integrate that. 00:50:09.670 --> 00:50:12.269 And we're looking forward to doing some cook 00:50:12.269 --> 00:50:14.449 -hold specific events ourselves. But, James, 00:50:14.690 --> 00:50:19.349 you were the one that gave me the framework to 00:50:19.349 --> 00:50:21.329 move forward. And now Brian already knew this, 00:50:21.449 --> 00:50:24.030 right? And, you know, he's been in the game for 00:50:24.030 --> 00:50:27.269 30 years, right? He knew it, but I had to see 00:50:27.269 --> 00:50:29.829 it for myself, right? It's like giving people 00:50:29.829 --> 00:50:33.809 a space. to be themselves and i love that calling 00:50:33.809 --> 00:50:36.090 it's like a calling to me now and it's really 00:50:36.090 --> 00:50:41.269 really difficult to find that an event that curates 00:50:41.269 --> 00:50:44.869 to cuckolds it's just it's very rare and you 00:50:44.869 --> 00:50:48.170 find that the people that attend it's like going 00:50:48.170 --> 00:50:50.250 somewhere where you have your own secret handshake 00:50:50.250 --> 00:50:56.239 it is absolutely nirvana for us I mean I hate 00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:58.599 to say they named it utopia but I mean truly 00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:01.360 that's what it is that is where when we attended 00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:03.699 that event then we attended the subsequent event 00:51:03.699 --> 00:51:08.500 we just said everything makes sense it is now 00:51:08.500 --> 00:51:11.199 we had dabbled in a lot of things we were kind 00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:14.440 of doing a lot of things simultaneously and we 00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:19.300 said this is really it this is where we both 00:51:19.300 --> 00:51:23.880 have such a great feeling of Absolute freedom 00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:27.980 that we can do whatever we want, however we want. 00:51:28.019 --> 00:51:33.500 We can try whatever we want. And it was absolutely 00:51:33.500 --> 00:51:37.960 phenomenal. So they're rare events to find, but 00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:41.840 gosh, they're magical when you do find them. 00:51:42.139 --> 00:51:44.840 We're going to be doing them. And the Bull Brotherhood 00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:48.199 is gearing up to that. And because of that. And 00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:51.460 another thing that Victoria said is we were, 00:51:51.460 --> 00:51:54.480 you know, after the whole event, we were talking 00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:58.539 and she said, you know what? I have realized 00:51:58.539 --> 00:52:01.579 I am never. And I don't know what you guys have 00:52:01.579 --> 00:52:03.860 done since then, but she's like, I am never going 00:52:03.860 --> 00:52:06.260 to do anything where my husband is not 100 percent 00:52:06.260 --> 00:52:08.519 a part of this. And I was like, you go, girl. 00:52:08.619 --> 00:52:10.699 That's what I'm talking about. You know, you 00:52:10.699 --> 00:52:14.059 discover yourself and you realize this is where 00:52:14.059 --> 00:52:19.170 we belong. We discovered some very specific dynamics 00:52:19.170 --> 00:52:23.349 that we enjoy that we would have not found necessarily 00:52:23.349 --> 00:52:28.670 at an event like that. It was really just, it 00:52:28.670 --> 00:52:31.190 was such a, it was a time of really a lot of 00:52:31.190 --> 00:52:34.989 growth for us that was just kind of compounded 00:52:34.989 --> 00:52:37.929 by the next event. So yeah, keep us on our list. 00:52:38.030 --> 00:52:40.309 Keep us on your mailing list if you have events 00:52:40.309 --> 00:52:43.809 because. We're, we, we love them. It's just, 00:52:43.809 --> 00:52:48.030 it, it is, we find it's just rejuvenating for 00:52:48.030 --> 00:52:52.929 our soul and we, it's, it's wonderful. We just, 00:52:53.030 --> 00:52:55.809 we're, we're super grateful to have those opportunities. 00:52:56.409 --> 00:52:59.030 I love it. And let me add too, it was, it was 00:52:59.030 --> 00:53:02.010 beautiful for me, like Socrates and I are in 00:53:02.010 --> 00:53:05.789 a stag and vixen relationship. So here we are 00:53:05.789 --> 00:53:08.750 at this event, just helping out with all these. 00:53:09.289 --> 00:53:12.610 cuckold couples and it was beautiful for me because 00:53:12.610 --> 00:53:16.750 I got to just learn so much by watching and being 00:53:16.750 --> 00:53:19.690 around and asking questions of just the different 00:53:19.690 --> 00:53:22.949 ways that everyone moved in their dynamics and 00:53:22.949 --> 00:53:26.409 that's was my intention for the weekend is to 00:53:26.409 --> 00:53:29.610 just go there and just to learn and to be a student 00:53:29.610 --> 00:53:34.670 of what was going on and because that is an underserved 00:53:34.670 --> 00:53:38.710 community. in the lifestyle you know as you mentioned 00:53:38.710 --> 00:53:42.710 there's not as many events and so it was great 00:53:42.710 --> 00:53:45.829 to just go there and be a part of that in a small 00:53:45.829 --> 00:53:49.269 way to you know just learn more about and just 00:53:49.269 --> 00:53:51.530 you know because sometimes people will be like 00:53:51.530 --> 00:53:54.150 oh cuckold you know that's weird or whatever 00:53:54.150 --> 00:53:57.210 I was probably one of them for sure you know 00:53:57.210 --> 00:54:01.360 but as you learn about it and you just see the 00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:04.739 love that you guys have for each other and the 00:54:04.739 --> 00:54:08.619 respect and how you practice that, then it's 00:54:08.619 --> 00:54:11.579 just beautiful just to watch and to know about 00:54:11.579 --> 00:54:14.860 it. And I just had a huge growth and appreciation 00:54:14.860 --> 00:54:18.659 for that dynamic after that weekend. So thank 00:54:18.659 --> 00:54:20.360 you guys for being a part of that. And thank 00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:22.820 you for saying that. I mean, that's always been 00:54:22.820 --> 00:54:26.039 one of my biggest concerns to keep that bit hidden 00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:31.170 from many because, I mean, obviously. We try 00:54:31.170 --> 00:54:36.590 to be very hidden just based on our jobs and 00:54:36.590 --> 00:54:39.769 things like that. But even in the community, 00:54:39.989 --> 00:54:43.630 the hot wiping, the splash, the splash community, 00:54:43.909 --> 00:54:48.429 the swinging community, we're pretty quiet about 00:54:48.429 --> 00:54:50.289 the cock holding piece because it comes with 00:54:50.289 --> 00:54:54.230 so many negative connotations. And I cannot stand 00:54:54.230 --> 00:54:59.550 the idea of anyone looking at James. and thinking 00:54:59.550 --> 00:55:03.230 him any less than the absolutely phenomenal individual 00:55:03.230 --> 00:55:07.269 that he is. The thought of anyone thinking anything 00:55:07.269 --> 00:55:11.110 less than he is absolutely amazing is sickening 00:55:11.110 --> 00:55:14.050 to me. So I guard it and I'm very, very, very 00:55:14.050 --> 00:55:17.130 cautious with it, which is probably even more 00:55:17.130 --> 00:55:21.510 why cuckold events are so wonderful because no 00:55:21.510 --> 00:55:24.940 one... everyone it's just and that's why i think 00:55:24.940 --> 00:55:27.780 it's so important for you know people outside 00:55:27.780 --> 00:55:30.320 the cuckold dynamic to learn about it and to 00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:33.980 you know that's why i wanted to go because i 00:55:33.980 --> 00:55:36.760 feel like you know with my mouthpiece as having 00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:39.800 my own podcast with the siren of freedom and 00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:44.039 you know people are starting to you know recognize 00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:48.519 me and so it's important for someone to know 00:55:48.519 --> 00:55:52.500 and understand all dynamics so that when people 00:55:52.500 --> 00:55:54.920 come to you, you know, they will listen. They'll 00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:58.639 say, oh, well, you know, maybe we need to open 00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:01.699 our minds to more things. And so the more we 00:56:01.699 --> 00:56:04.840 educate ourselves and the more non -cuckold couples 00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:08.219 can educate other non -cuckold couples about 00:56:08.219 --> 00:56:12.400 it, the more we can grow that respect and just 00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:15.460 cherish it because what you guys have is beautiful 00:56:15.460 --> 00:56:18.920 and it's amazing. And I wish everyone could see 00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:21.469 that. Yeah, I do too. I love it. Did you guys 00:56:21.469 --> 00:56:23.789 have one comment on that? I have one more question. 00:56:23.869 --> 00:56:25.969 We're coming up on time and we want to be cognizant 00:56:25.969 --> 00:56:28.010 of you guys' time. Did you want to comment on 00:56:28.010 --> 00:56:29.670 anything she just said? Yeah, all I was going 00:56:29.670 --> 00:56:32.230 to say is everything that Victoria said, you 00:56:32.230 --> 00:56:34.610 know, with all that, she still has no problem 00:56:34.610 --> 00:56:39.829 humiliating me in many, many ways. I love it. 00:56:40.349 --> 00:56:42.730 It's actually one of my, I actually do that with 00:56:42.730 --> 00:56:44.750 our vanilla friends and they think I'm just being 00:56:44.750 --> 00:56:47.309 cheeky. Well, we did have a lot of fun. But I'm 00:56:47.309 --> 00:56:49.760 being accurate. We did. also go with Victoria 00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:53.679 and James just to a little weekend getaway last 00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:56.579 year and that was quite fun and I think Victoria 00:56:56.579 --> 00:56:59.019 and I were like she was teaching me all the small 00:56:59.019 --> 00:57:02.510 penis references and jokes and and things over 00:57:02.510 --> 00:57:05.849 the weekend, so that was quite fun. And Siren 00:57:05.849 --> 00:57:08.690 will tell you she was kicking our asses in every 00:57:08.690 --> 00:57:11.730 game we played and drove Siren to the point of 00:57:11.730 --> 00:57:15.349 wanting to fucking leave. No, no, no. I said, 00:57:15.429 --> 00:57:18.050 good thing I love you so much because I'm very 00:57:18.050 --> 00:57:21.070 competitive and I do not like to lose. And that 00:57:21.070 --> 00:57:25.320 weekend was still great. Siren and I share that 00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:29.320 attribute. I am wicked competitive. It's terrible. 00:57:29.619 --> 00:57:33.260 It's not my best self. But you guys are a blast. 00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:38.559 wonderful and kind and we this is why we love 00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:41.820 the lifestyle is because we get to meet people 00:57:41.820 --> 00:57:44.019 like you that we would have never probably never 00:57:44.019 --> 00:57:45.960 would have met so we're really really grateful 00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:47.739 and maybe one day i'll we'll be lucky enough 00:57:47.739 --> 00:57:51.699 to meet mr morgan in person and yeah who knows 00:57:51.699 --> 00:57:54.539 maybe maybe we'll get into some mischief yeah 00:57:54.539 --> 00:57:57.559 and if you're ever lucky enough for victoria 00:57:57.559 --> 00:58:00.500 to give you the privilege of letting you borrow 00:58:00.500 --> 00:58:04.739 her cook he gives a amazing nude massage so What's 00:58:04.739 --> 00:58:07.619 the future for Victoria and James? What are you 00:58:07.619 --> 00:58:09.980 guys looking forward to in the coming years? 00:58:10.340 --> 00:58:12.679 Oh, that's a really good question. I'm going 00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:14.300 to go ahead and answer it because that's how 00:58:14.300 --> 00:58:16.820 we do things, as you've probably seen. I answer 00:58:16.820 --> 00:58:21.659 all questions. But, you know, we have cultivated, 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:25.099 and Utopia has helped with this, really network 00:58:25.099 --> 00:58:28.250 with some really great... cuckold couples. And 00:58:28.250 --> 00:58:30.909 we're actually meeting up with some friends of 00:58:30.909 --> 00:58:34.050 ours who we met through Utopia in Orlando. And 00:58:34.050 --> 00:58:36.170 we're doing kind of like just a small curated 00:58:36.170 --> 00:58:40.809 event that's very cuckold centric with some gentlemen 00:58:40.809 --> 00:58:45.989 that they are familiar with in Florida. And so 00:58:45.989 --> 00:58:49.309 we're going to be doing that. Splash is in our 00:58:49.309 --> 00:58:51.869 future, but we're also going to go on a bliss 00:58:51.869 --> 00:58:56.340 cruise with some friends in November. The great 00:58:56.340 --> 00:58:58.800 thing about that is that there are some gentlemen 00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:01.340 that I've met through Splash and Utopia that 00:59:01.340 --> 00:59:03.460 are also going to be on the Bliss Cruise, which 00:59:03.460 --> 00:59:09.219 is fantastic. So I think really we have gone 00:59:09.219 --> 00:59:14.199 away so much from couple stuff. That really is 00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:17.539 not so much in our wheelhouse. Although I think 00:59:17.539 --> 00:59:20.679 at each event, I think... And James looks at 00:59:20.679 --> 00:59:23.360 me for the nod like, okay, yeah, we're going 00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:25.619 to do the swinging thing at this event. But part 00:59:25.619 --> 00:59:28.139 of it is that I just tease him and make him think 00:59:28.139 --> 00:59:30.000 that it might happen. And then I just rip the 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:32.099 carpet out from underneath his feet. I'm waiting 00:59:32.099 --> 00:59:34.460 in the bullpen just every day. Like one day the 00:59:34.460 --> 00:59:36.139 phone's going to ring and I'm coming in. And 00:59:36.139 --> 00:59:37.519 I just don't know when that is. Isn't that so 00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:39.320 sweet? He's not in the bullpen. The man thinks 00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:41.019 he's in the bullpen. Yeah, I was going to say, 00:59:41.159 --> 00:59:45.960 no, sorry. You're outside just hoping to have 00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:48.559 a little sip of their water. He really does. 00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:51.880 But in answer to your questions, Socrates, what 00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:54.119 I think a lot of it is just connections we've 00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:57.320 made. And then we will travel and go meet with 00:59:57.320 --> 01:00:00.579 people we have great connections with that love 01:00:00.579 --> 01:00:04.500 and appreciate our dynamic. And it works out 01:00:04.500 --> 01:00:09.119 very well for us. I'm in a position that I can 01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:14.639 do getaways quarterly or even less than that. 01:00:14.699 --> 01:00:18.079 And I don't mind that, you know, that those kind 01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:21.280 of play experiences or there's time in between 01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:24.420 of that. So that works well for us for where 01:00:24.420 --> 01:00:27.280 we're located. But I know that that's not everyone's 01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:30.059 dynamic, but it works for us. I think he would 01:00:30.059 --> 01:00:34.639 probably enjoy more frequent fun times, but I 01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:37.260 got a lot of shit that I'm working on. So, you 01:00:37.260 --> 01:00:39.360 know, I compartmentalize this with every other 01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:41.800 part of my life. I got shit to do. I'll try to 01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:45.920 remember to send him nudes more often. Oh, he 01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:48.800 would love that. The man is a... Yes, please. 01:00:49.260 --> 01:00:53.579 Yes, please. He's a connoisseur of curvaceous 01:00:53.579 --> 01:00:56.280 women. He loves that. Amen, brother. Did you 01:00:56.280 --> 01:00:58.539 have anything you wanted to add to Socrates' 01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:00.719 question? Because I answered all of it. Did you 01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:01.800 have anything? Oh, sorry. I was thinking about 01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:04.960 getting nude from sirens. He's a singular -minded 01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:08.400 man. Yeah. I love distracting him. Thank you 01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:11.619 so much for letting me tease your cut. Of course. 01:01:11.699 --> 01:01:14.530 Of course. Of course. Did you have any other 01:01:14.530 --> 01:01:17.489 plans for us for the future? I don't think so. 01:01:17.610 --> 01:01:19.809 I'm sure he has like a thousand fantasies. He's 01:01:19.809 --> 01:01:22.489 just waiting to dole them out slowly to not overwhelm 01:01:22.489 --> 01:01:26.349 me. Maybe I should, you know, you need to send 01:01:26.349 --> 01:01:29.750 me one of your written little fantasies and then 01:01:29.750 --> 01:01:31.889 I'll send you some nudes. Because I do like hearing 01:01:31.889 --> 01:01:34.750 your stories because they give me ideas for things. 01:01:34.909 --> 01:01:36.989 Oh, the man could write erotic fiction. We'll 01:01:36.989 --> 01:01:39.809 charge him. And I'd love to read it. All right, 01:01:39.809 --> 01:01:42.460 well, we are. I love it. We are coming up on 01:01:42.460 --> 01:01:44.639 time. Unk, is there anything you want to ask 01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:47.440 or anything like that? No, I think you guys covered 01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:50.179 everything. I was just here to listen to what 01:01:50.179 --> 01:01:54.159 I heard. Well, take it over, Unk. I'm so sorry. 01:01:54.260 --> 01:01:56.579 I don't want you to feel like we excluded you 01:01:56.579 --> 01:01:59.119 from the conversation. Oh, he would have jumped 01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:02.059 in. He would have jumped in if he wanted to. 01:02:02.099 --> 01:02:04.900 Believe me, he doesn't need anyone's permission 01:02:04.900 --> 01:02:07.900 to jump into the podcast for sure. Okay. All 01:02:07.900 --> 01:02:10.539 right. I think, Unk, it's you now. All right. 01:02:10.699 --> 01:02:14.139 Yep. Take us away. Well, ladies and gentlemen, 01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:17.440 I would like to thank Victoria and James for 01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:21.139 coming on tonight to another very, very interesting 01:02:21.139 --> 01:02:24.119 episode of the Bull Brotherhood podcast. And 01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:28.159 for myself, Soccer Keys and Siren, wishing all 01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:30.900 the Bulls out there of the Brotherhood a good 01:02:30.900 --> 01:02:34.460 night. And to all my sexy ladies, you know the 01:02:34.460 --> 01:02:38.780 routine. Good morning. Until we meet again, talk 01:02:38.780 --> 01:02:43.070 again. Everybody. I'll be saying cheers. Bye 01:02:43.070 --> 01:02:44.530 -bye. Good night.