WEBVTT 00:00:00.750 --> 00:00:04.389 This podcast contains explicit adult content, 00:00:04.570 --> 00:00:08.210 mature themes, and candid conversations about 00:00:08.210 --> 00:00:12.570 sex, dominance, power exchange, and ethical non 00:00:12.570 --> 00:00:16.469 -monogamy. It is intended for audiences 18 and 00:00:16.469 --> 00:00:21.129 over only. Listener discretion is advised. The 00:00:21.129 --> 00:00:23.730 views expressed by our guests are theirs alone 00:00:23.730 --> 00:00:27.469 and do not necessarily reflect the views or values 00:00:27.469 --> 00:00:30.789 of the hosts, producers, or affiliated brands. 00:00:31.449 --> 00:00:34.649 The Bull Brotherhood podcast is for educational, 00:00:34.909 --> 00:00:37.590 entertainment, and empowerment purposes only. 00:00:37.990 --> 00:00:40.429 Nothing in this podcast should be interpreted 00:00:40.429 --> 00:00:45.130 as legal advice, medical guidance, or psychological 00:00:45.130 --> 00:00:48.829 counseling. We speak from experience, not credentials. 00:00:49.409 --> 00:00:52.609 Always practice consent, respect the boundaries 00:00:52.609 --> 00:00:56.229 of others, and follow local laws. If you're not 00:00:56.229 --> 00:00:59.719 comfortable with Frank talk about sex, kink dominance 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:03.140 or emotional power this probably isn't the show 00:01:03.140 --> 00:01:05.879 for you but if you're ready to step into your 00:01:05.879 --> 00:01:09.159 masculine edge and embrace a lifestyle that demands 00:01:09.159 --> 00:01:15.180 mastery welcome to the brotherhood welcome to 00:01:15.180 --> 00:01:18.239 the bull brotherhood podcast where we talk power 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:21.359 pleasure and the art of dominance in ethical 00:01:21.359 --> 00:01:24.140 non -monogamy this is not your average lifestyle 00:01:24.140 --> 00:01:28.200 podcast this is for men who lead men who master, 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:31.819 and men who leave a lasting impression. If you're 00:01:31.819 --> 00:01:34.859 here, you're not just curious. You're ready to 00:01:34.859 --> 00:01:38.739 elevate. So to all the bulls, hot wives, stags, 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:42.599 and open -minded explorers, we see you. Let's 00:01:42.599 --> 00:02:08.039 go. When we deal with these couples, especially 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:12.139 the newer couple, we're bringing in an energy 00:02:12.139 --> 00:02:17.219 that is completely foreign to them. Especially 00:02:17.219 --> 00:02:23.759 cats like B Morgan. Cats like Mr. Mocha, a .k 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:27.039 .a. Super Dick. You know what I'm saying? There's 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:29.060 a certain kind of energy. Don't give me that 00:02:29.060 --> 00:02:35.039 title. Hell no. I don't want that one. Listen, 00:02:35.139 --> 00:02:36.580 the shirt is already on the way, brother. The 00:02:36.580 --> 00:02:40.939 shirt is already on the way. The shirt is already 00:02:40.939 --> 00:02:45.439 on the way. But no, I'm saying, like, and so, 00:02:45.580 --> 00:02:48.819 but at the same time, knowing you brothers the 00:02:48.819 --> 00:02:51.889 way that I do, I know that you're cognizant of 00:02:51.889 --> 00:02:54.469 that. You know what I'm saying? You're cognizant 00:02:54.469 --> 00:02:57.710 of the fact that, you know, as our brother who's 00:02:57.710 --> 00:03:01.590 not here, Pagan, is fond of saying, what do you 00:03:01.590 --> 00:03:05.530 call it, that, was it black sex magic? You know, 00:03:05.590 --> 00:03:11.169 like, we got that shit with us, bruh. And you 00:03:11.169 --> 00:03:13.090 know you got that shit with you. You can be as 00:03:13.090 --> 00:03:15.110 humble as the fuck you want to be, but you know 00:03:15.110 --> 00:03:17.870 you got that shit with you. You know what I'm 00:03:17.870 --> 00:03:21.289 saying? Like, B, know he got that shit with him. 00:03:22.530 --> 00:03:24.729 Socrates is learning that he got that shit with 00:03:24.729 --> 00:03:27.969 him. I know I got that shit with me. Dimitri 00:03:27.969 --> 00:03:30.569 know he got that shit with him. Pagan know he 00:03:30.569 --> 00:03:33.090 got that shit. That's why we brothers. You know 00:03:33.090 --> 00:03:35.830 what I'm saying? So you know when you hitting 00:03:35.830 --> 00:03:37.789 somebody with something. And it ain't just the 00:03:37.789 --> 00:03:39.430 dick. I mean, we laugh and joke and say it's 00:03:39.430 --> 00:03:41.849 super dick, whatever. But the super dick is all 00:03:41.849 --> 00:03:48.030 -encompassing. It, you know, it's Mr. Mocha's. 00:03:48.650 --> 00:03:50.990 I don't give a fuck. I'm going to tell you what 00:03:50.990 --> 00:03:53.629 I feel because I'm confident in what I'm saying. 00:03:54.629 --> 00:03:56.650 You might not like what I'm saying to you, but 00:03:56.650 --> 00:03:58.969 you know I'm spitting truth. And if the truth 00:03:58.969 --> 00:04:02.129 hurts, so be it. It's that confidence he has 00:04:02.129 --> 00:04:06.870 in what he says. I mean, it's B. Morgan's combination 00:04:06.870 --> 00:04:11.030 of masculinity and sensitivity. You know what 00:04:11.030 --> 00:04:13.169 I'm saying? The way he throw that baby girl around. 00:04:13.710 --> 00:04:15.110 I mean, he know what the fuck he's doing when 00:04:15.110 --> 00:04:18.050 he throw that baby girl around. He know the effect 00:04:18.050 --> 00:04:21.470 that that's having. Baby girl, right? You know 00:04:21.470 --> 00:04:25.649 what I'm saying? He know what he's doing. Like, 00:04:25.649 --> 00:04:29.129 ain't none of us new to this. So that's when 00:04:29.129 --> 00:04:33.050 I talk about the ethical part is we know what 00:04:33.050 --> 00:04:36.009 we're capable of. We know that bartender is serving 00:04:36.009 --> 00:04:39.769 you straight, honey -proof liquor. I know there's 00:04:39.769 --> 00:04:41.290 a possibility that you're going to get drunk. 00:04:41.370 --> 00:04:43.430 So as the bartender, it's up to me to be like, 00:04:43.449 --> 00:04:46.230 you know what? Why don't you take this cup of 00:04:46.230 --> 00:04:48.910 water right now? You didn't have too much. I'm 00:04:48.910 --> 00:04:51.589 going to cut you off. Because if I leave it up 00:04:51.589 --> 00:04:54.089 to you, you're going to keep buying shots. But 00:04:54.089 --> 00:04:55.930 I don't want to get sued when you wreck your 00:04:55.930 --> 00:04:58.490 car after leaving here. So I'm going to give 00:04:58.490 --> 00:05:02.029 you water for this next hour. That's what I mean 00:05:02.029 --> 00:05:05.569 when I talk about the ethical part. We know what 00:05:05.569 --> 00:05:08.230 we're working with. We're not oblivious to it. 00:05:09.230 --> 00:05:11.829 We see it. We see ourselves in the mirror every 00:05:11.829 --> 00:05:15.610 day. That's one of the things I've learned about. 00:05:15.610 --> 00:05:21.550 I still have to push back from the... I think 00:05:21.550 --> 00:05:24.009 there's a such thing as being confident, but 00:05:24.009 --> 00:05:31.569 I also... And maybe it's what I personally, just 00:05:31.569 --> 00:05:35.910 my personal values. I don't believe that I have 00:05:35.910 --> 00:05:39.839 the ability to take... I don't think that I have 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.060 the ability to come between two people who are 00:05:42.060 --> 00:05:43.680 in love with each other and who have their shit 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:47.300 together. You know, that same woman who might 00:05:47.300 --> 00:05:50.920 decide to leave her husband for her bull is the 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:53.180 same woman, you know, the same type of woman 00:05:53.180 --> 00:05:56.000 that would, you know, leave her husband for the 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:58.779 guy at the office. There's a lot of those people 00:05:58.779 --> 00:06:00.639 out there in the lifestyle and outside of lifestyle. 00:06:01.259 --> 00:06:03.680 And then there's going to be the women who I 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:07.360 don't give a fuck. How much swag or how young 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:09.300 or how good looking or how much money you have. 00:06:10.139 --> 00:06:14.819 You can't take her from her man. So I think that. 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:21.800 Yeah, I can. I can break a board. That's cut 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:25.139 a quarter of the way through. So she's already 00:06:25.139 --> 00:06:29.920 has cracks and fractures. Yes, and I can break 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:34.649 her. People being new to the lifestyle. Being 00:06:34.649 --> 00:06:37.430 new to this type of life does not mean that they 00:06:37.430 --> 00:06:39.930 have cracks and fractures. In fact, if they came 00:06:39.930 --> 00:06:41.550 into the lifestyle the way they're supposed to. 00:06:41.850 --> 00:06:44.949 They just don't know. They just don't know. But 00:06:44.949 --> 00:06:47.790 no matter what I don't know, no matter what my 00:06:47.790 --> 00:06:50.069 wife don't know, you're not going to convince 00:06:50.069 --> 00:06:55.110 us to do some shit that's outside of our current 00:06:55.110 --> 00:06:58.730 programming. Like me and the Sigma male spoke 00:06:58.730 --> 00:07:03.779 about earlier. If she's on my program. And we're 00:07:03.779 --> 00:07:07.819 on the same page and somebody else comes in and 00:07:07.819 --> 00:07:10.160 she allows them to interrupt my programming. 00:07:11.620 --> 00:07:14.660 Me and her got smoked, not me and him. And I 00:07:14.660 --> 00:07:17.800 personally don't believe that super dick or anything 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:22.379 can can interrupt the thing that's not broken. 00:07:22.860 --> 00:07:26.399 Now, if it's broken, then it's susceptible to 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:30.920 to me. Or to the lame -ass dude who we'd be like, 00:07:31.019 --> 00:07:34.480 how the fuck did you let that guy get you? That's 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:38.079 not super dick. Because she was already susceptible. 00:07:38.699 --> 00:07:40.839 You know what I mean? So I can't give it to, 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:44.800 hey, I appreciate the compliment. Maybe somebody 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:47.439 will listen to this and be like, I want to suck 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:49.699 his dick. You know what I'm saying? I'll be like, 00:07:49.779 --> 00:07:52.779 well, ma 'am, here it is. But I don't believe 00:07:52.779 --> 00:07:59.959 that I'm not willing to take away. Her her freedom 00:07:59.959 --> 00:08:02.339 of choice and her ability to make decisions, 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:05.899 because now I feel like I'm weakening her. If 00:08:05.899 --> 00:08:08.100 anybody told my wife that there is a dick somewhere 00:08:08.100 --> 00:08:11.100 so good that you'll get stupefied, I'd say go 00:08:11.100 --> 00:08:12.860 fucking kill yourself because you're insulting 00:08:12.860 --> 00:08:16.000 her emotional intelligence as well as her own 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.579 intelligence and her ability to make an educated 00:08:18.579 --> 00:08:23.160 or uneducated decision. No, fuck that. You do 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:24.980 some outsiders programming. You did it because 00:08:24.980 --> 00:08:27.779 you wanted to. Not because some dick was so good. 00:08:28.139 --> 00:08:30.660 You done sucked a thousand dicks in your life 00:08:30.660 --> 00:08:32.659 and all of a sudden you found the golden penis? 00:08:32.820 --> 00:08:35.000 Get the fuck out of here. I don't believe that. 00:08:35.379 --> 00:08:38.299 You know what I'm saying? And that's relative 00:08:38.299 --> 00:08:40.659 because if you're stepping into the lifestyle 00:08:40.659 --> 00:08:43.539 properly, usually you guys are strong enough 00:08:43.539 --> 00:08:45.639 and you're exciting. And yeah, you're going to 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:48.919 make some mistakes between the two of you. But 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:51.960 mistakes like, oh, this guy's cock was so good 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:55.220 I left my family for it? Nah, I don't believe 00:08:55.220 --> 00:09:03.820 that. But you've seen it before. With somebody 00:09:03.820 --> 00:09:07.820 who was fractured, when you have a woman or a 00:09:07.820 --> 00:09:10.679 couple who shit went together. There's a lot 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:14.179 of fractured couples in this lifestyle. A lot. 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:18.840 That's very true. There's a lot of fractured 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:20.639 couples in this lifestyle. And all I'm saying 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:24.720 is, as an experienced... I agree with that. I 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:27.419 do agree with that. And you would never know 00:09:27.419 --> 00:09:31.600 it. I'm able to recognize, like I know I can 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:37.440 push a solid couple further than I can push a 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:41.000 fractured couple. You know what I'm saying? I 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:44.700 know that they can endure more and take more 00:09:44.700 --> 00:09:49.440 and explore more than a couple who might not 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:51.700 be on solid footing. You know what I'm saying? 00:09:51.820 --> 00:09:53.879 Now, the way that I feel about myself personally 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:57.200 is I can handle those type of couples because... 00:09:58.009 --> 00:10:02.210 not all the time, but oftentimes I can help them 00:10:02.210 --> 00:10:06.149 get to that place. Sometimes I fail, but I'm 00:10:06.149 --> 00:10:09.370 not afraid to try. If that makes sense. I'm saying 00:10:09.370 --> 00:10:13.649 like, I don't, I don't run from that smoke. You 00:10:13.649 --> 00:10:15.750 know, I know I, but I get, I totally get the 00:10:15.750 --> 00:10:17.269 guys who are like, man, I don't feel like dealing 00:10:17.269 --> 00:10:21.429 with that. I didn't sign up for that. That kind 00:10:21.429 --> 00:10:23.970 of situation doesn't deter me because of the 00:10:23.970 --> 00:10:30.200 way my brain works. I'm saying, um, And you're 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:32.259 also a real, you're a real bull and you accept 00:10:32.259 --> 00:10:36.940 that challenge. I wouldn't say that a guy is 00:10:36.940 --> 00:10:38.940 not a real bull for not accepting that challenge. 00:10:39.019 --> 00:10:40.720 Some guys just don't want those complications. 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:43.379 Some guys just like my life is complicated enough. 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.759 I don't need to be introducing that type of energy 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:49.440 into my day -to -day shit. Like I didn't get 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:52.039 into this lifestyle to be a therapist. Like I 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:54.220 would never fault anybody for that just because 00:10:54.220 --> 00:10:57.909 that happens to be my jam. I'm saying. You know, 00:10:57.929 --> 00:11:00.029 I just happen to have a thing for damaged people. 00:11:00.289 --> 00:11:02.429 That's just my own character flaw. If you want 00:11:02.429 --> 00:11:05.269 to call it a flaw, you know what I'm saying? 00:11:05.850 --> 00:11:08.529 That's how I got to this point was by dealing 00:11:08.529 --> 00:11:10.529 with people that have problems. And then I figured 00:11:10.529 --> 00:11:13.230 out how to, you know, work through those problems 00:11:13.230 --> 00:11:16.009 and what, you know, what added to those problems 00:11:16.009 --> 00:11:18.789 and what caused those problems. And that's how 00:11:18.789 --> 00:11:21.389 I got a podcast because that kind of thing interests 00:11:21.389 --> 00:11:24.090 me. You know what I'm saying? But I would never 00:11:24.090 --> 00:11:27.769 knock anybody for not. wanting to do that kind 00:11:27.769 --> 00:11:29.429 of heavy lifting. You know, this lifestyle is 00:11:29.429 --> 00:11:31.649 supposed to be fun. Like I'm not trying to deal 00:11:31.649 --> 00:11:33.990 with the real life implications behind this shit. 00:11:34.870 --> 00:11:37.289 I'm in this shit to have fun. My regular life 00:11:37.289 --> 00:11:40.370 is complicated enough as it is. So I would never 00:11:40.370 --> 00:11:43.850 knock anybody or say to somebody who's not a 00:11:43.850 --> 00:11:46.289 real bull for not wanting to play therapist also. 00:11:46.570 --> 00:11:50.190 That just happens to be something that, you know, 00:11:50.190 --> 00:11:52.850 that doesn't turn me away or doesn't turn me 00:11:52.850 --> 00:11:55.019 off. You know what I'm saying? Michael, can I 00:11:55.019 --> 00:11:59.279 propose a question to you? Sure. My real -life 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:01.440 situation. So this is what I'm really getting 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:05.179 at. Like you said, you helped me go from lack 00:12:05.179 --> 00:12:08.860 of confidence and lack of ability. Mr. Mocha 00:12:08.860 --> 00:12:12.659 as well, Brian Morgan, Pagan, you guys all helped 00:12:12.659 --> 00:12:15.679 me. I'm getting to the point where, oh, okay, 00:12:15.820 --> 00:12:19.539 you know, like we talked about in Utopia, some 00:12:19.539 --> 00:12:21.940 of these skills are starting to pay off, right? 00:12:22.570 --> 00:12:26.809 So let's take my love. Yeah. No, they starting 00:12:26.809 --> 00:12:31.350 to, they, they paying off now. So let's say I'm, 00:12:31.350 --> 00:12:34.330 but I'm still new. There's, there's things I 00:12:34.330 --> 00:12:36.350 haven't accomplished. Like I haven't owned a 00:12:36.350 --> 00:12:39.309 couple yet. All of y 'all have, right. I haven't 00:12:39.309 --> 00:12:41.529 gone to that stage yet. So I'm, I'm developing, 00:12:41.710 --> 00:12:44.070 I'm learning. So let's say me, I don't think 00:12:44.070 --> 00:12:47.309 I'm broken, but I'm new and I'm learning. And 00:12:47.309 --> 00:12:49.750 I get with a couple. I don't know they're broken 00:12:49.750 --> 00:12:53.740 yet because I'm still learning. Right. And me, 00:12:53.940 --> 00:12:58.259 I give it my all. I know some guys say, I can't 00:12:58.259 --> 00:12:59.940 give it all to you. I got to leave some leftover 00:12:59.940 --> 00:13:02.899 for next time. Okay. That's cool. I don't think 00:13:02.899 --> 00:13:05.779 that way just yet. So I'm giving you, I'm giving 00:13:05.779 --> 00:13:09.500 you as much super dick as I got. And it ends 00:13:09.500 --> 00:13:12.259 up to where I'm in this situation that like Mr. 00:13:12.299 --> 00:13:14.320 Mocha said, well, she tripping, but I don't know 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:16.440 that she tripping as much as I, as much as she 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:19.480 should be considering what I gave her. And I'm 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:21.480 in that situation, and it falls apart. And she 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:24.919 ends up saying, I'm leaving my man. You did. 00:13:25.340 --> 00:13:28.100 And I want to be with you. And I'm like, number 00:13:28.100 --> 00:13:30.639 one, I'm married. Number two, I ain't here for 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:32.759 that. I've been here for a good time, not a long 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:37.039 time. Whose fault is that then? Is that my fault 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:40.220 because I didn't know what I was doing? Is it 00:13:40.220 --> 00:13:43.220 her fault because she shouldn't have been susceptible 00:13:43.220 --> 00:13:45.789 to that? Is that their fault because... I didn't 00:13:45.789 --> 00:13:48.929 make no vows. They made vows. Who's fault would 00:13:48.929 --> 00:13:51.110 that be? What I'm about to say is going to sound 00:13:51.110 --> 00:13:53.649 contradictory. I'm aware of that as I'm about 00:13:53.649 --> 00:13:57.830 to say it. Hey, man. Hey, hey. Don't take shit 00:13:57.830 --> 00:14:00.169 away from me because you know I would have enjoyed 00:14:00.169 --> 00:14:05.710 telling you that. Don't put disclaimers on it 00:14:05.710 --> 00:14:07.309 to keep my mouth shut. It ain't going to work. 00:14:08.429 --> 00:14:18.980 Carry on. And I know we've all been in this position, 00:14:19.100 --> 00:14:21.840 especially the three of us, where it's like, 00:14:21.940 --> 00:14:25.379 especially when you're talking about a cuckold 00:14:25.379 --> 00:14:30.539 dynamic. When both parties are new, that's when 00:14:30.539 --> 00:14:33.220 I take out the popcorn. I'm like, shit's about 00:14:33.220 --> 00:14:35.820 to get really interesting when the bull is new 00:14:35.820 --> 00:14:39.620 and the couple is new. You know, it's like, okay, 00:14:39.820 --> 00:14:43.120 this shit is about, the fireworks are about to 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:46.250 start. What I would say about the contradictory 00:14:46.250 --> 00:14:50.590 part where I'm contradicting myself is, and I 00:14:50.590 --> 00:14:53.710 say this to you, Brother Socrates, with love. 00:14:55.129 --> 00:14:59.389 The one thing that Brian, myself, and Mr. Mocha 00:14:59.389 --> 00:15:02.350 have in common, and the brothers that ain't here, 00:15:02.490 --> 00:15:06.750 Dimitri and Peyton, we got trialed by fire, man. 00:15:06.850 --> 00:15:10.669 We took out bumps and bruises. We learned. You 00:15:10.669 --> 00:15:13.389 know what I'm saying? We went through it. We 00:15:13.389 --> 00:15:15.370 made mistakes. We put our foot in our mouths. 00:15:15.389 --> 00:15:17.750 We put ourselves in fucked up situations and 00:15:17.750 --> 00:15:22.169 positions. And, you know, we love giving you 00:15:22.169 --> 00:15:24.590 that knowledge. We love giving you that information. 00:15:25.690 --> 00:15:29.269 But at the same time, there's no substitute for 00:15:29.269 --> 00:15:32.929 real world experiences. So I say that to say, 00:15:33.169 --> 00:15:36.129 bro, you got to just get out there and take your 00:15:36.129 --> 00:15:39.090 lumps, man. You got to take your fucking lumps. 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:41.500 You got to get out there and try shit and be 00:15:41.500 --> 00:15:44.299 like, oh, that blew up in my face. I don't want 00:15:44.299 --> 00:15:46.340 to try it like that again. We can give you as 00:15:46.340 --> 00:15:50.419 much education as we can, and you can take it 00:15:50.419 --> 00:15:54.500 all in as much as you can absorb, but there's 00:15:54.500 --> 00:15:57.519 no substitute for real -world experience. There's 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:02.000 no substitute for being in a situation and then 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:04.360 going home and thinking about that situation 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:07.080 and saying to yourself. Okay, if I'm in that 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:09.200 situation again, what would I do differently? 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:12.500 Or, hey, this situation looks really familiar 00:16:12.500 --> 00:16:15.220 to another situation I was in. I wonder if I 00:16:15.220 --> 00:16:18.600 can pull that lesson from that situation and 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:21.039 apply it to this situation. Oh, shit, it worked. 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:26.080 Or, oh, shit, it didn't work. Okay, let me scramble 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:29.820 and come back and try it again. You know, you're 00:16:29.820 --> 00:16:32.759 talking to three guys that, B, how long have 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:37.210 you been doing this shit? 32 years. Okay, Mr. 00:16:37.269 --> 00:16:39.330 Mocha, Methuselah, how long have you been doing 00:16:39.330 --> 00:16:45.210 it? Probably 24. Yeah, and myself, 25 plus. So 00:16:45.210 --> 00:16:49.330 we've been, trust me, we did not all start as 00:16:49.330 --> 00:16:52.870 the refined product our listeners, our combined 00:16:52.870 --> 00:16:55.590 listeners are listening to now. You know what 00:16:55.590 --> 00:17:00.200 I'm saying? Hell to the no. Hell no. I applaud 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:03.059 the hell out of you. Like, I wish I would have 00:17:03.059 --> 00:17:09.920 had Mr. Merkle or B. Morgan, you know, there 00:17:09.920 --> 00:17:12.940 to lay the groundwork for me. But at the same 00:17:12.940 --> 00:17:19.059 time, I know how valuable that real -world experience 00:17:19.059 --> 00:17:23.720 was to me. And I don't want you to be afraid 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:25.759 to make mistakes. And so I like to make mistakes, 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:28.099 bruh. As long as you're not making the same mistakes 00:17:28.099 --> 00:17:31.539 over and over and over. No, brother, I think 00:17:31.539 --> 00:17:33.460 you misunderstand my question. And you know that's 00:17:33.460 --> 00:17:36.180 my gospel. I'll tell anybody. I don't care how 00:17:36.180 --> 00:17:37.880 many books I read, how many times I sit under 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:40.359 these people's feet. Experience trumps that. 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:42.819 I'm not saying that. What I'm asking you is, 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:47.119 all things being equal, it sounds to me like 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:49.619 you got the bull's fault. It's the bull's fault. 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:53.289 It's like you got all these skills. And I got 00:17:53.289 --> 00:17:55.490 all these skills. I don't know that these women 00:17:55.490 --> 00:17:57.630 are reading body language books or talking to 00:17:57.630 --> 00:18:00.130 a bunch of other people, experts in their field 00:18:00.130 --> 00:18:02.410 and therapists and all of these kind of things. 00:18:02.509 --> 00:18:04.329 I don't know that the couple's doing that. I 00:18:04.329 --> 00:18:06.369 just know what I'm doing. So I'm saying if I 00:18:06.369 --> 00:18:09.369 come in with my new, with all of these masters, 00:18:09.609 --> 00:18:11.430 I mean, like you said, I get to call all you 00:18:11.430 --> 00:18:13.670 brothers. And I will probably talk to one of 00:18:13.670 --> 00:18:16.230 y 'all every day. If I ain't talking to Mr. Mocha, 00:18:16.250 --> 00:18:17.930 I'm talking to you. If I ain't talking to you 00:18:17.930 --> 00:18:20.509 or Mr. Mocha, I'm talking to... Brian Morgan. 00:18:20.710 --> 00:18:22.289 If I ain't talking to him, I'm trying to call 00:18:22.289 --> 00:18:29.009 Pagan and try to get him on the line. And if 00:18:29.009 --> 00:18:34.170 I can't pick him up, I'll get deep. So it's like, 00:18:34.289 --> 00:18:38.109 I don't know that they have that, but what I'm 00:18:38.109 --> 00:18:41.190 asking you is, if I go put my super dickness 00:18:41.190 --> 00:18:43.869 on them and it turns out that it blows up and 00:18:43.869 --> 00:18:46.349 she's ready to leave her husband, that's my fault? 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:49.779 I have the ethics. I might tell her, don't leave 00:18:49.779 --> 00:18:52.140 her. I'll tell her, don't do that. I'll tell 00:18:52.140 --> 00:18:54.039 her, I'm here for a good time, not a long time. 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:56.000 I'll tell her all the things she needs to hear. 00:18:56.859 --> 00:19:01.660 Are you aware that you put, and again, when I 00:19:01.660 --> 00:19:04.819 say super dick, I'm not referring to just a dick. 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:09.380 You know what I'm saying? I'm referring to the 00:19:09.380 --> 00:19:14.720 whole package. Communication, exploring, confidence, 00:19:14.940 --> 00:19:18.259 building them up. You know what I'm saying? Encouraging 00:19:18.259 --> 00:19:20.480 them like, like everything that comes with it. 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:24.779 But the thing is, whenever I do that, I know 00:19:24.779 --> 00:19:27.740 what I'm doing. Like I'm fully aware of what, 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:30.299 like I'm not doing it by accident. You know what 00:19:30.299 --> 00:19:34.779 I'm saying? So knowing that I'm keeping my eyes 00:19:34.779 --> 00:19:37.680 open, like, okay, she's coming along. She's coming 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:39.599 along. She's coming along. Oh shit. She's getting 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:42.740 caught up. Now I got to put the brakes on because 00:19:42.740 --> 00:19:44.960 I, because that's the reaction that I don't want. 00:19:45.339 --> 00:19:48.420 I don't want her getting caught up. You know 00:19:48.420 --> 00:19:50.079 what I'm saying? I want her to be confident. 00:19:50.220 --> 00:19:56.039 But they came with what, though, Mike? But they 00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:58.140 came with what, though, Mike? Your experience, 00:19:58.279 --> 00:20:00.220 right? You talked about on -the -job training. 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:04.000 Yeah, experience and understanding. I think, 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:07.200 okay, great. And like you said, 20 -something 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:09.819 years of experience. You know what I mean? For 00:20:09.819 --> 00:20:13.019 that young dude, for that young boy that's just 00:20:13.019 --> 00:20:17.339 starting out, He probably doesn't know no other 00:20:17.339 --> 00:20:27.299 way but to bring fire and stage five from the 00:20:27.299 --> 00:20:29.339 jump. He don't know how to turn it off. He don't 00:20:29.339 --> 00:20:31.980 know how to communicate the right way. He doesn't 00:20:31.980 --> 00:20:35.500 know. He doesn't know. So if he does bring the 00:20:35.500 --> 00:20:40.059 super deep at first and he makes her feel some 00:20:40.059 --> 00:20:43.059 kind of way. And here again, technically, yeah, 00:20:43.180 --> 00:20:45.319 he is at fault. You know what I mean? Because 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:47.299 like I said, he's not experienced. He doesn't 00:20:47.299 --> 00:20:50.859 know. He doesn't know. He wouldn't make those 00:20:50.859 --> 00:20:55.700 errors if he's been in it for 20 plus or 30 years 00:20:55.700 --> 00:20:57.559 like we are. You know what I'm saying? Because 00:20:57.559 --> 00:20:59.980 we're able to read. We're able to read the room. 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:02.519 You know, we know what they look for. We know 00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:06.599 how they look at you a certain way. So we know 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:08.180 how to tune it. You know how to tune it down. 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:12.400 But for that new guy. He doesn't know. He doesn't 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:15.740 know. Something that we're all familiar with, 00:21:15.779 --> 00:21:17.680 and it's fucked up that we're all familiar with 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:21.940 it, but it is what it is. We've all lived in 00:21:21.940 --> 00:21:24.460 neighborhoods, been around neighborhoods, visited 00:21:24.460 --> 00:21:30.119 neighborhoods that got fucked up by crack. Right. 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:32.420 So it's like the motherfucker that's out there 00:21:32.420 --> 00:21:35.099 slinging. Like, yeah, I'm not making these people 00:21:35.099 --> 00:21:37.460 come to me. I'm not making these people buy this 00:21:37.460 --> 00:21:41.099 shit from me. But at the same time, every once 00:21:41.099 --> 00:21:43.160 in a while, you'll talk to a dude who used to 00:21:43.160 --> 00:21:45.640 do that, who understands the damage that he wrought 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:50.460 on his community. So what about the dude who 00:21:50.460 --> 00:21:55.400 gets into this? And he, because this is something 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:57.640 that's a thing that I just, over the last few 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:01.839 years, because like being Morgan, the Sigma male, 00:22:01.940 --> 00:22:07.460 I was pretty much a lone wolf myself. So once 00:22:07.460 --> 00:22:10.690 I started, socializing with more dudes within 00:22:10.690 --> 00:22:12.950 the lifestyle, I started seeing there's a whole 00:22:12.950 --> 00:22:15.289 lot of dudes out there really catching feelings 00:22:15.289 --> 00:22:20.809 for people's wives. So is it the wife's fault 00:22:20.809 --> 00:22:24.329 for giving out that good pussy? Has she got the 00:22:24.329 --> 00:22:27.789 super cat? Does she bear no responsibility for 00:22:27.789 --> 00:22:31.049 making this motherfucker lose his mind? I need 00:22:31.049 --> 00:22:33.690 to know because if I can find some scientific 00:22:33.690 --> 00:22:36.519 evidence, I'm about to start losing it. I love 00:22:36.519 --> 00:22:41.119 that. I'm joking. I'm joking. But, you know, 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:45.460 so no matter what we say that we feel like the 00:22:45.460 --> 00:22:48.200 guy has some sort of response. I mean, and listeners, 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:50.500 please understand this is not something that 00:22:50.500 --> 00:22:55.039 happens all the time. Honestly, I've most of 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:57.779 the guys who I've spoken to in lifestyle, it's 00:22:57.779 --> 00:22:59.680 only a small percentage of guys, in my opinion, 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:02.420 who experience, you know, the situation where 00:23:02.420 --> 00:23:06.569 you've you've. Interacted with so many different 00:23:06.569 --> 00:23:08.829 people throughout the lifestyle, throughout your 00:23:08.829 --> 00:23:12.049 lifestyle experience where you come across a 00:23:12.049 --> 00:23:18.130 person or two who who creates this inappropriate 00:23:18.130 --> 00:23:20.569 or attempt to create inappropriate attachment. 00:23:21.250 --> 00:23:25.730 Now, honestly, and I feel terrible for saying 00:23:25.730 --> 00:23:30.390 this, but until the last few years, I didn't 00:23:30.390 --> 00:23:35.460 realize that there are some guys out here. who 00:23:35.460 --> 00:23:39.240 are creating these attachment to, to marry women 00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:43.019 or the hot wives or cuckoldresses in the lifestyle. 00:23:44.180 --> 00:23:49.319 And I mean, inappropriate, like claiming this 00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:53.579 is my woman, you know, not, not with the wife 00:23:53.579 --> 00:23:57.700 or the husband's permission. So, so does the, 00:23:57.720 --> 00:23:59.759 is the bull responsible for everything? Does 00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:03.420 the, the couple have no, Bear no responsibility, 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:06.900 especially seeing as how most of the couples 00:24:06.900 --> 00:24:09.079 have been in the lifestyle longer than many of 00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:13.460 the bulls. So is it based upon experience? I've 00:24:13.460 --> 00:24:16.180 got X amount of years of experience, so therefore 00:24:16.180 --> 00:24:18.480 I'm responsible if the woman gets too attached 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:21.880 to me. But if the couple has 25 years of experience 00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:24.319 and they get a young bull, then he gets attached. 00:24:24.380 --> 00:24:30.609 Is it now their fault that he's attached? That 00:24:30.609 --> 00:24:34.410 goes back to the comment that I just made about 00:24:34.410 --> 00:24:37.410 when you have both parties that are relatively 00:24:37.410 --> 00:24:40.930 new to this, when you kind of sit back down. 00:24:40.930 --> 00:24:43.150 That wasn't the question. That wasn't the question. 00:24:43.589 --> 00:24:47.210 Yeah, yeah. So you said that the couple is experienced? 00:24:47.650 --> 00:24:51.509 Yep. Yes, this couple has 20 plus, yeah, 20 plus. 00:24:51.549 --> 00:24:54.390 Yeah, and that situation, the responsibility 00:24:54.390 --> 00:25:02.430 falls to the more experienced party. Can we all 00:25:02.430 --> 00:25:04.609 agree on that? The responsibility falls to the 00:25:04.609 --> 00:25:07.089 more experienced part? I don't agree. Listen, 00:25:07.190 --> 00:25:09.589 I don't agree, but I think you're finally being 00:25:09.589 --> 00:25:12.269 fair. I will take it because you're being fair. 00:25:13.410 --> 00:25:18.890 God damn it. He's being fair. He's being fair. 00:25:19.150 --> 00:25:21.809 You know what I'm saying? My complaint before 00:25:21.809 --> 00:25:25.490 was the lack of fairness and the fact that at 00:25:25.490 --> 00:25:27.910 least for once you've been fair. You know, I'm 00:25:27.910 --> 00:25:29.759 about to make a lot of noise. You know what I'm 00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:32.220 saying? I'm making a lot of noise because, you 00:25:32.220 --> 00:25:36.599 know, usually you be on that bullshit. So thank 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:39.299 you for being fair. I still don't agree, but 00:25:39.299 --> 00:25:44.799 I like the fairness. I want to hear what Socrates 00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:48.880 has to say because he quickly said, no, you know, 00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:53.930 I disagree. What's your take on that? I mean, 00:25:53.950 --> 00:25:57.130 you got to listen to it. Listen to it good now. 00:25:57.349 --> 00:25:59.990 Because we talk about, you and I talk about experience 00:25:59.990 --> 00:26:02.829 all the time. You know what I mean? We talk about 00:26:02.829 --> 00:26:07.029 experience all the time. We got a young boy here. 00:26:07.109 --> 00:26:10.109 We got a young dude that's just getting started. 00:26:10.789 --> 00:26:13.349 He's just getting started. We won't say age, 00:26:13.430 --> 00:26:16.289 but we're going to say he's in his 20s. Okay, 00:26:16.369 --> 00:26:18.809 he's a young dude. You know what I mean? We got 00:26:18.809 --> 00:26:21.589 a couple here that let's say they've been in 00:26:21.589 --> 00:26:24.319 his 20s. 20 years at least. So we're going to 00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:29.240 say they're in their 50s. Is that safe to say, 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:33.539 y 'all? Let's say a 50 -year -old couple. A seasoned 00:26:33.539 --> 00:26:36.140 couple. A seasoned couple. All right, Socrates. 00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:39.359 Now give me your, I just laid out that. You know, 00:26:39.380 --> 00:26:41.359 like Mike was saying, give me your reason for 00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:44.940 saying that it's not the couple's responsibility 00:26:44.940 --> 00:26:48.599 to like maybe bring that, maybe school that young 00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:51.910 man. Go ahead. No, no, no. Michael was saying 00:26:51.910 --> 00:26:56.109 that whoever has more experience is the responsibility, 00:26:56.190 --> 00:27:00.130 right? Okay. Well, in this case, I disagree with 00:27:00.130 --> 00:27:03.269 that. I disagree with that. Yeah. So here's why 00:27:03.269 --> 00:27:07.210 it is real simple. One thing, are they married? 00:27:09.589 --> 00:27:14.089 Yes. A couple married. Okay. So I didn't say 00:27:14.089 --> 00:27:19.150 no vows. I said some vows to my wife and, um, 00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:22.420 My vow is that if I meet one of these, like, 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:24.619 what is it called? Mr. Mocha said, super cat. 00:27:24.940 --> 00:27:29.539 If I meet a woman with a super cat, my commitment 00:27:29.539 --> 00:27:33.400 to my wife is I work that shit out. I got to 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:35.519 let that super cat go. I got to do something 00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:39.920 because we've made a commitment. I didn't make 00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:42.500 no commitment to you. Even if I'm your boyfriend 00:27:42.500 --> 00:27:46.500 and you want me to be your boyfriend, you didn't 00:27:46.500 --> 00:27:49.420 say. Hey, you are applying now for the job of 00:27:49.420 --> 00:27:53.680 replacing my husband. No, you said y 'all are 00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:57.099 together. You guys are committed. And I always 00:27:57.099 --> 00:27:59.519 ask that question. Are you guys in a happy relationship? 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:02.359 Because I don't want no smoke. I don't want no 00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:06.140 problem. So you guys are committed. I didn't 00:28:06.140 --> 00:28:08.259 make no vow to you, woman. I didn't make no vow 00:28:08.259 --> 00:28:11.359 to you, Mr. Cuff. I made a commitment. I'm going 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:14.200 to bring as much of my skills as I can, and we're 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:16.490 going to enjoy each other's company. I'm not 00:28:16.490 --> 00:28:18.170 responsible for you. You ain't responsible for 00:28:18.170 --> 00:28:21.789 me. They made a vow to each other. So if I put 00:28:21.789 --> 00:28:25.309 super dick on you, and even if I fit in my opinion, 00:28:25.509 --> 00:28:29.670 if a super dick come to Siren and put it on her, 00:28:29.789 --> 00:28:33.890 like all the way on her, like he has, he's unethical. 00:28:34.049 --> 00:28:38.990 He don't care. My mentality is, even if I'm lacking, 00:28:39.170 --> 00:28:42.710 you made a vow and a commitment to me that we 00:28:42.710 --> 00:28:45.500 got to work this out. Right. And if you would 00:28:45.500 --> 00:28:48.180 have said, well, I'm looking that look, I'm out. 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:51.019 But if you're like, we're getting into this for 00:28:51.019 --> 00:28:54.740 fun and we're going to expand our relationship 00:28:54.740 --> 00:28:57.259 or maybe he's got some things like, I don't role 00:28:57.259 --> 00:29:02.619 play. It's hard enough to be. Right. I don't 00:29:02.619 --> 00:29:05.220 role play. So I'm like, please go get yourself 00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:08.059 a brother that can play cop or robbers or whatever 00:29:08.059 --> 00:29:10.039 the hell y 'all want to do. I ain't doing it. 00:29:10.999 --> 00:29:14.000 So that's our commitment. She's committed to 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:16.599 me. I'm committed to her. So now I don't care 00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:19.500 what y 'all experience got. I don't care if the 00:29:19.500 --> 00:29:21.859 dude, I just, we technically only been married. 00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:24.519 We have our anniversary for first year is coming 00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:26.759 up a couple of weeks. I don't care if the dude 00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:29.619 got 20 years experience. If Mr. Morgan can take 00:29:29.619 --> 00:29:33.980 my wife away from me, then that's on me. I dropped 00:29:33.980 --> 00:29:37.140 the bag. I have a problem. And that's my problem. 00:29:37.220 --> 00:29:38.759 Cause I made a commitment to her. She made a 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:40.549 commitment to me. I don't care what. I don't 00:29:40.549 --> 00:29:45.430 get 55 years of experience. No. Okay. Okay. Okay. 00:29:45.849 --> 00:29:48.869 Flip the script. Flip the script. Flip the script. 00:29:48.970 --> 00:29:53.089 All right. Let's say the wife, the wife throws, 00:29:53.369 --> 00:29:56.049 what do you call it? What do you call the mocha? 00:29:56.170 --> 00:29:59.990 Super cat or super cat? Super cat. Super cat. 00:30:00.109 --> 00:30:04.049 What if she throws super cat? What if she throws 00:30:04.049 --> 00:30:07.309 super cat? Okay. What if she throws super cat 00:30:07.309 --> 00:30:11.769 on that little 20 -some -year -old? And he goes 00:30:11.769 --> 00:30:14.490 ballistic. He goes ballistic. He goes walking 00:30:14.490 --> 00:30:16.910 around, you know, like Mike said, he tell him, 00:30:16.930 --> 00:30:19.569 yo, this is my girl, and yada, yada, yada, and 00:30:19.569 --> 00:30:22.109 unbeknownst to the couple. Y 'all don't even 00:30:22.109 --> 00:30:23.710 know that he's saying that. You know what I'm 00:30:23.710 --> 00:30:26.390 saying? So you're saying the cubs don't even 00:30:26.390 --> 00:30:30.230 know. The cubs don't even know. The couple doesn't 00:30:30.230 --> 00:30:32.269 even know. The couple doesn't even know. You 00:30:32.269 --> 00:30:33.470 see what I'm saying? They just thought they had 00:30:33.470 --> 00:30:35.970 a great day. Yada, yada. Okay, got it. All right. 00:30:36.380 --> 00:30:38.380 You know what I mean? But, you know, she rocked 00:30:38.380 --> 00:30:40.740 bottom, okay? She hit him with the rock bottom. 00:30:41.059 --> 00:30:44.279 You know what I'm saying? Now he messed up. So 00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:49.539 are they at fault because they didn't, you know, 00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:53.759 like bring him on slowly, you know? And like 00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:56.440 somebody told me, you don't give it all to him 00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:02.380 at one time or what? I'll take it even further. 00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:06.680 I was going to bring this up earlier. I studied 00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:16.539 hypnotism. And so back in the 70s, they were 00:31:16.539 --> 00:31:19.720 starting to put subliminal messages in the movies. 00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:24.140 And I forgot what the governing body of that 00:31:24.140 --> 00:31:26.700 did that. But they said, you can't do that because 00:31:26.700 --> 00:31:30.779 there are some people susceptible, so susceptible 00:31:30.779 --> 00:31:36.690 to. hypnotism, that they will start losing a 00:31:36.690 --> 00:31:41.730 part of their ability to resist, right? So I'm 00:31:41.730 --> 00:31:44.730 saying there are people out there that you don't 00:31:44.730 --> 00:31:48.789 have much, you have a very hard upward battle 00:31:48.789 --> 00:31:52.250 of resisting what they're doing. I'm saying even 00:31:52.250 --> 00:31:54.450 further away from super dicks. I'm talking about 00:31:54.450 --> 00:31:58.329 some of these guys that are CIA masters or they 00:31:58.329 --> 00:32:01.279 are You know, hypnotizing masters, they study 00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:04.660 the game like that. I'm saying you can put all 00:32:04.660 --> 00:32:08.420 that on me, but as a bull, I don't know one bull 00:32:08.420 --> 00:32:10.579 on this planet that doesn't understand the concept 00:32:10.579 --> 00:32:15.539 of you. I don't know one bull in America. What 00:32:15.539 --> 00:32:19.740 was that name? Union. Marriage. Right? Okay. 00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:24.940 You can put all that super... They don't give 00:32:24.940 --> 00:32:26.400 a fuck, but they understand the concept. That's 00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:29.500 different. What I'm saying is... You got a 20 00:32:29.500 --> 00:32:32.660 -year -old couple. You got 20 years of togetherness, 00:32:32.700 --> 00:32:36.779 right? And you got some young cat. Yeah, you 00:32:36.779 --> 00:32:39.200 can put it on him and make him want to act stupid. 00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:41.740 You can put it on him and have him fucked up. 00:32:41.779 --> 00:32:45.460 He can't concentrate at work. He can't take his 00:32:45.460 --> 00:32:49.319 mind off her. But there's a line that every man 00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.359 in this country knows. You do not cross that 00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:58.170 line. Every man knows that. I mean, if you initiate 00:32:58.170 --> 00:33:02.049 21 and years old, yeah, you are not. I don't 00:33:02.049 --> 00:33:04.670 care what she put on you. You're wrong. You got 00:33:04.670 --> 00:33:09.630 some huckabuckas, as I call them out there. You 00:33:09.630 --> 00:33:11.470 got some huckabuckas that don't understand that, 00:33:11.490 --> 00:33:16.589 though, brother. You got some out there. You 00:33:16.589 --> 00:33:18.930 got some out there that they get so caught up 00:33:18.930 --> 00:33:21.869 in that thing and so good that they do forget 00:33:21.869 --> 00:33:25.559 and they lose their mind. And, you know, now 00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:28.599 you got a mess. No, I'm taking it even further. 00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:30.920 You got some guys, you got some women and some 00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:33.900 people that are so skillful at it. They damn 00:33:33.900 --> 00:33:37.140 near can make a court case. I'm saying it don't 00:33:37.140 --> 00:33:40.980 matter. It just takes it from murder to manslaughter. 00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:44.259 You still paying the price on me. You still crossed 00:33:44.259 --> 00:33:48.160 the line. Well, I was hypnotized. Your hypnotized 00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:51.359 ass crossed the line. I don't care how much experience 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:55.279 they got. I need to understand this. So from 00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:58.440 your standpoint, because earlier we talked about 00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:02.480 when a guy interacts with a couple and the wife 00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:05.039 gets attached to him and she wants to leave the 00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:10.880 husband for that guy. Mike feels like the guy 00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:13.260 bears a certain amount of responsibility for 00:34:13.260 --> 00:34:16.539 that. Now, the other side of that question is 00:34:16.539 --> 00:34:22.179 if, you know, a young guy meets a couple and. 00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:25.480 You know, the wife is phenomenal. She's a great 00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:28.300 woman. He gets really attached to her and he 00:34:28.300 --> 00:34:31.519 wants her for himself or he wants to take ownership 00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:35.960 of that woman. The you don't feel like it's. 00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:43.840 Her fault. Because her pussy was so good. Correct. 00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:48.639 If she's the more experienced one. So if she's 00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:50.639 the more experienced one, do you feel like she 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:52.880 bears responsibility for the level of attachment 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:56.039 that the young man has to her? Because we're 00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:57.440 just switching the roles. She bears responsibility 00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:03.199 for turning him out? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Because 00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:05.099 whenever you turn, I mean, you've turned somebody, 00:35:05.179 --> 00:35:07.360 I'm sure you've turned somebody out before, right? 00:35:07.699 --> 00:35:09.639 You're no stranger to having turned somebody 00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:12.460 out. And I'm not talking lifestyle. I'm just 00:35:12.460 --> 00:35:14.340 talking about just period. Like you've turned 00:35:14.340 --> 00:35:26.920 somebody out before. Okay. It's not a, it's not 00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:30.880 a, it's not a Monday. They were cool. Tuesday. 00:35:30.900 --> 00:35:33.400 They were turned out kind of thing. You know 00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:36.400 what I'm saying? Like if your eyes are open, 00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:40.539 you see it happening. Now, whether you choose 00:35:40.539 --> 00:35:42.559 to acknowledge it or not, that's a different 00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:48.420 story, but you see it happening. Like, it's usually 00:35:48.420 --> 00:35:51.880 some type of gradual thing. Like, it's not instantaneous 00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:56.840 for the most part. You can acknowledge it. You 00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:58.760 can acknowledge it. Yeah, you can acknowledge 00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:03.920 it. But if she is too far gone and nothing can 00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:08.800 change, I mean, you know that you have turned 00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:14.380 the tables in her life, and there is, like, I 00:36:14.380 --> 00:36:17.699 mean, she's ready to give. everything up for 00:36:17.699 --> 00:36:20.539 you she's ready to give up the husband she's 00:36:20.539 --> 00:36:22.840 ready to give up she has a child she doesn't 00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:24.880 even care if the husband keeps the child she 00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:28.760 wants you that's all that she sees when she goes 00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:30.860 to bed that's all that she sees when she wakes 00:36:30.860 --> 00:36:35.679 up she comes to your job and and will find reasons 00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:40.559 to stay there you know what i mean yeah that's 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:43.599 been through it brother been through it okay 00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:48.210 you You get pulled from your job for 30 days 00:36:48.210 --> 00:36:52.530 for an investigation because of that shit, okay? 00:36:52.909 --> 00:36:54.969 We're going to circle. I just want you to know 00:36:54.969 --> 00:36:56.670 we ain't just going to glance over this. On the 00:36:56.670 --> 00:36:59.690 next podcast, we will circle back to that because 00:36:59.690 --> 00:37:04.409 that is one hell of a story. Yeah, yeah. I got 00:37:04.409 --> 00:37:10.630 pulled from my damn office for 30 days. To this 00:37:10.630 --> 00:37:13.150 day, I still don't know exactly where I was sitting. 00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:16.820 for 29 days until the investigator came and told 00:37:16.820 --> 00:37:22.199 me that the other ladies who wrote statements, 00:37:22.380 --> 00:37:25.000 who I was guilty as hell because I was sleeping 00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:30.159 with them too, but they had too much to let go. 00:37:30.579 --> 00:37:32.780 So they wrote statements that made me look like 00:37:32.780 --> 00:37:38.500 Mickey Mouse. They really did. And I got out 00:37:38.500 --> 00:37:41.079 of that shit because of that. They could not 00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:45.300 find... anything to prove that i was doing what 00:37:45.300 --> 00:37:48.860 you know allegedly but was i doing it yes i was 00:37:48.860 --> 00:37:55.309 doing it Absolutely, what's fucking? I was doing 00:37:55.309 --> 00:37:56.989 the same job. I hope the statute of limitations 00:37:56.989 --> 00:38:01.409 is done. I was Dexter's same job, brother. I'm 00:38:01.409 --> 00:38:03.650 trying to tell you right now. The part that he 00:38:03.650 --> 00:38:07.349 looks out is he was doing it well. Just for the 00:38:07.349 --> 00:38:09.269 listeners, we ain't talking about no legal shit. 00:38:09.329 --> 00:38:11.670 We talking about ethical shit. You know, a lifestyle 00:38:11.670 --> 00:38:14.389 situation that went sideways when the wife was 00:38:14.389 --> 00:38:17.349 like, hey, I want that dick to be mine. And she 00:38:17.349 --> 00:38:21.019 was willing to ruin the man's career. Yeah, yeah. 00:38:21.260 --> 00:38:23.699 You know what I'm saying? And this happened twice 00:38:23.699 --> 00:38:28.719 to me. Two times. Happened twice. I do not deserve 00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:31.880 the title of super dick. He deserves the title 00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:36.480 of super dick. Happened twice on two different 00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:40.219 freaking installations. It happened twice. Happened 00:38:40.219 --> 00:38:45.320 twice. And both of them, one ended in, later 00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:48.119 on, ended in divorce. And then the other one, 00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:51.300 they ended up leaving, going elsewhere. But later 00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:55.099 on also, they divorced also. So, you know. So, 00:38:55.099 --> 00:39:00.880 Mike, was it his fault? Was he the more experienced 00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:07.699 one? Was I the more experienced? Yeah, I was. 00:39:11.570 --> 00:39:14.869 The dogs are judging you, B. The dogs are judging 00:39:14.869 --> 00:39:21.570 you. The dog is like, nope. I'm not saying that 00:39:21.570 --> 00:39:24.889 it's an easy thing to accept that responsibility. 00:39:25.369 --> 00:39:29.070 I'm not saying it's an easy place to get to and 00:39:29.070 --> 00:39:33.489 to do so in a flippant manner. But you asked 00:39:33.489 --> 00:39:36.869 me my opinion. And I'm always going to put the 00:39:36.869 --> 00:39:40.090 onus on the person who's seen it before, the 00:39:40.090 --> 00:39:45.309 person who has more experience. Now, part of 00:39:45.309 --> 00:39:49.409 that is, you know, and maybe it's unfair, but 00:39:49.409 --> 00:39:54.230 I don't run from that responsibility. And the 00:39:54.230 --> 00:39:56.989 bulls that I know, the cats that I fuck with, 00:39:57.110 --> 00:40:00.219 they don't run from that responsibility. So, 00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:06.320 yes, I hold people to that standard. I'm not 00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:10.000 saying it's fair. I'm not saying it's right. 00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:13.119 But that's what I do. And if you fuck with me, 00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:18.280 that's what you're going to get. When I run dealing 00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:20.760 with a new couple, I come to that conclusion 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:23.880 pretty quickly of who's the more experienced 00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:30.019 person in this scenario. If it's them. I move 00:40:30.019 --> 00:40:33.480 accordingly. If it's me, I move accordingly. 00:40:35.219 --> 00:40:37.820 When I find that it's me that's in that position 00:40:37.820 --> 00:40:40.880 of more experience, you best believe I'm very 00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:45.820 much aware of every move that I make. Because 00:40:45.820 --> 00:40:50.360 I don't want shit to get complicated. I do agree 00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:56.519 with that. Is it your fault? I take it as my 00:40:56.519 --> 00:41:01.440 fault. Oh, so when shit goes sideways, you take 00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:05.800 in the heat. Yeah. Because I'm looking at it 00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:09.840 like I didn't do, I didn't have my eyes on the 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:13.820 prize the way I needed to. So what if there's 00:41:13.820 --> 00:41:18.539 a couple, what if it's a couple that's masterful 00:41:18.539 --> 00:41:22.260 at hiding those tickets? What if it's a couple 00:41:22.260 --> 00:41:24.260 that's like, they're not letting you know, they 00:41:24.260 --> 00:41:27.920 got all kinds of turmoil. What was that? They 00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:31.659 got all kind of turmoil in the background, but 00:41:31.659 --> 00:41:41.900 you don't know about it. Okay. Yes, sir. But 00:41:41.900 --> 00:41:50.500 you asked me that question, so I'm going to answer 00:41:50.500 --> 00:41:55.110 that question for you. Yes, sir. I'm not saying 00:41:55.110 --> 00:41:57.750 it's impossible. I'm a hard person to hide shit 00:41:57.750 --> 00:42:00.409 from because I ask a lot of fucking questions. 00:42:01.349 --> 00:42:03.809 You know what I'm saying? And it's not just that 00:42:03.809 --> 00:42:07.349 I ask questions, but I'm listening to what you 00:42:07.349 --> 00:42:11.170 say. I'm listening to what you don't say. You 00:42:11.170 --> 00:42:14.409 know what I'm saying? Like, I don't ask questions 00:42:14.409 --> 00:42:16.710 just to ask a question. Like, I'm asking a question 00:42:16.710 --> 00:42:20.750 to see how you answer it. What are you omitting? 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.420 I mean, what are you copping to rather quickly? 00:42:23.619 --> 00:42:25.559 So, again, I can be fooled just like anybody. 00:42:25.659 --> 00:42:32.760 I'm not a super nigga. But it's not easy to do. 00:42:36.340 --> 00:42:40.519 It's not easy to do. So if you're going to play 00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:43.420 that role, if you're going to lie, if you're 00:42:43.420 --> 00:42:45.940 going to be deceitful, I'm going to make you 00:42:45.940 --> 00:42:51.369 earn that bread because. Like I said, I'm asking 00:42:51.369 --> 00:42:53.010 questions, and if you answer a question, I'm 00:42:53.010 --> 00:42:54.690 like, hey, well, that's not consistent with what 00:42:54.690 --> 00:42:58.010 you said before. You know what I'm saying? Or, 00:42:58.110 --> 00:43:02.610 you know, I've told many a chick. I've known 00:43:02.610 --> 00:43:05.150 chicks for years, and she'll use a phrase the 00:43:05.150 --> 00:43:06.650 first time, and I'll be like, that's the first 00:43:06.650 --> 00:43:09.909 time you've ever said that. Why did you say that? 00:43:10.949 --> 00:43:13.130 What was different about this conversation that 00:43:13.130 --> 00:43:15.530 made you say that right now that didn't happen 00:43:15.530 --> 00:43:18.630 in the previous two years that I've known? So 00:43:18.630 --> 00:43:22.389 I'm always going to question shit. Bitch, stay 00:43:22.389 --> 00:43:26.630 away from the dictionary, bitch. Yeah, I'm... 00:43:26.630 --> 00:43:31.070 Put this as far as that. Do not better your education. 00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:39.760 You stay simple when you talk to me, Mitch. That 00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:45.699 name got my daddy's blood on it. Come right here 00:43:45.699 --> 00:43:53.300 with the big -ass words. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 00:43:53.460 --> 00:43:57.079 I had to throw that in there. So to answer Socrates' 00:43:57.239 --> 00:43:58.760 question, I'm not saying that it's not impossible. 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:03.539 I mean, I can have game run on me. It's not the 00:44:03.539 --> 00:44:08.260 first time. But if you do run game on me, you 00:44:08.260 --> 00:44:10.139 are going to be really, really, really good with 00:44:10.139 --> 00:44:13.900 it. Like, I'm not going to make it easy. I'm 00:44:13.900 --> 00:44:16.780 not going to make it easy on you. So the really, 00:44:16.820 --> 00:44:20.260 really good couple ran game on you. I haven't 00:44:20.260 --> 00:44:23.260 met them yet. I'm not saying it's never going 00:44:23.260 --> 00:44:25.059 to happen. It hasn't happened yet. In a fictional 00:44:25.059 --> 00:44:28.010 world. I'll give you an example. This is not 00:44:28.010 --> 00:44:29.650 lifestyle. I'll give you an example. It's not 00:44:29.650 --> 00:44:32.590 like you thought of some galaxy far, far away. 00:44:32.690 --> 00:44:35.690 Shit. Yeah. No, I'll tell you something, but 00:44:35.690 --> 00:44:37.929 this is only reason why it's not, is this not 00:44:37.929 --> 00:44:40.449 lifestyle. So I've never told this story too. 00:44:40.590 --> 00:44:47.309 So, um, there was this, uh, Mr. Mocha slipping. 00:44:47.389 --> 00:44:49.670 You got a sound effect for everything else. But 00:44:49.670 --> 00:44:51.369 you ain't got a sound effect for no new drop? 00:44:51.489 --> 00:44:53.230 He just said he ain't never said that before. 00:44:53.730 --> 00:44:58.030 Hey, look, I'm too busy getting nervous seeing 00:44:58.030 --> 00:45:00.110 which direction this is going in. I don't know. 00:45:00.190 --> 00:45:06.289 Like, wait. I'm sorry. Hold on. Let me find something. 00:45:06.750 --> 00:45:09.150 I got nothing yet. I got one, I think. Let me 00:45:09.150 --> 00:45:11.929 see. Some Funkmaster Flex new drop? Some new 00:45:11.929 --> 00:45:16.630 hotness? Something? Hey, look. I got one. I got 00:45:16.630 --> 00:45:21.460 one. What you got? I don't know if it's appropriate. 00:45:22.099 --> 00:45:24.780 We don't do appropriate here. Y 'all act like 00:45:24.780 --> 00:45:28.380 y 'all ain't never listened to a mixtape. Let 00:45:28.380 --> 00:45:34.480 me tell y 'all a new story. That's all I got. 00:45:37.139 --> 00:45:44.619 So, it was, now that I think about it, oh, there 00:45:44.619 --> 00:45:48.170 you go. Now I think about it, I'm like, Yeah. 00:45:48.269 --> 00:45:51.670 Okay. So I wasn't lifestyle. I wasn't calling 00:45:51.670 --> 00:45:55.550 myself a boy. But I met this couple at my job, 00:45:55.590 --> 00:46:00.730 you know, say the job. And the husband, now that 00:46:00.730 --> 00:46:02.750 I think about it, was always like, yeah, man, 00:46:02.769 --> 00:46:05.949 you know. I was promoting in a nightclub. And 00:46:05.949 --> 00:46:10.869 he was like a video. He was one of the first 00:46:10.869 --> 00:46:14.190 VJs that I met. So he was like trying to teach 00:46:14.190 --> 00:46:17.320 me VJing. And he was like. My wife really thinks 00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:20.719 you're cool and she can go get some graphics 00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:23.599 and she can do this and she can do that. Long 00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:27.840 story short, she ends up falling for me. And 00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:30.599 I was like, I didn't do anything with her. I 00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:33.000 was like, look, like, you know, I don't want 00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:34.639 to get involved in this kind of stuff. Right. 00:46:35.219 --> 00:46:38.480 So she was just like, but it's your charm. And 00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:40.739 I've never been with a black man. And, you know, 00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:42.699 I don't, you know, you know, my husband don't 00:46:42.699 --> 00:46:44.400 talk to me the way you do all this kind of stuff. 00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:48.699 It caused a lot of problems, a lot of problems 00:46:48.699 --> 00:46:50.920 between the two. You know what they did? They 00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:54.000 up and moved because of me. And I never told 00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:56.199 that story because I felt really shitty about 00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:58.460 that. And I always think, well, what did I do 00:46:58.460 --> 00:47:01.820 wrong? They upended their whole fucking life, 00:47:01.900 --> 00:47:05.400 moved to Arizona because, you know, the job I 00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:07.619 had had jobs in Arizona and they had jobs in 00:47:07.619 --> 00:47:12.199 New York. And I was in Calgary. So my point is. 00:47:12.670 --> 00:47:15.269 They were married for a long time. I was a single 00:47:15.269 --> 00:47:19.449 guy. I didn't have no skills. I was just in a 00:47:19.449 --> 00:47:21.329 different, I was just a completely different 00:47:21.329 --> 00:47:25.130 experience for her. And she had enough gum shit. 00:47:25.170 --> 00:47:28.389 She had enough ethics in her relationship to 00:47:28.389 --> 00:47:32.730 be like, if I stay around this dude, it's going 00:47:32.730 --> 00:47:34.969 to be some problems. So we need to get away from 00:47:34.969 --> 00:47:38.469 him. And I'm like, I'm not the only brother in 00:47:38.469 --> 00:47:41.030 that town where I live. It's about 40 % black. 00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:42.920 So I'm like, I don't know what you're talking 00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:46.980 about. What do you mean? But she took it on herself, 00:47:47.179 --> 00:47:49.139 and they both took it upon herself to leave town. 00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:54.659 My plan is, like, you guys got to vow. You guys 00:47:54.659 --> 00:47:58.539 made commitments some on, you know, till death, 00:47:58.739 --> 00:48:01.659 right? Till death do us part. We want to do this. 00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:04.880 My thing is, how am I responsible? Because I'm 00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:07.300 mastering my craft. Well, you're wearing your 00:48:07.300 --> 00:48:11.619 lifestyle then, so that's not even... But I was 00:48:11.619 --> 00:48:14.079 mastering my craft. My point is, I'm mastering 00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:19.420 my craft. It ain't my fault if what I'm doing 00:48:19.420 --> 00:48:24.000 disrupts your life. It's not my fault. I didn't 00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:26.000 make no commitments to anybody. How is it my 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:28.860 fault? I'm just trying to be the best bull I 00:48:28.860 --> 00:48:31.659 can be. I'm trying to be the bulliest bull in 00:48:31.659 --> 00:48:34.619 that book. Based on what you just explained to 00:48:34.619 --> 00:48:37.980 me. Was it instantaneous? Like, was it one day 00:48:37.980 --> 00:48:40.340 she was cool and the next day she was, or were 00:48:40.340 --> 00:48:43.579 you just like, nah, I'm not seeing what I'm seeing. 00:48:43.780 --> 00:48:46.199 Nah, she don't really mean that. Like, was there 00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:48.519 some denial on your part where it's like. Yeah, 00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:52.519 yeah, I did. I did. Yeah, yeah. Okay. That's 00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:54.960 where it comes in because as an ethical bull, 00:48:55.139 --> 00:48:58.980 you don't dismiss those signs. Right. Yeah, you 00:48:58.980 --> 00:49:01.900 got those signs head on. Like, oh, okay. I see 00:49:01.900 --> 00:49:04.190 what you're doing. Nah, we're going to nip this 00:49:04.190 --> 00:49:08.469 shit here in the bud right now. But what if I 00:49:08.469 --> 00:49:11.610 try to nip it, and then she's like, nah, you 00:49:11.610 --> 00:49:14.489 don't want it. What if I say, nah, man, we ain't 00:49:14.489 --> 00:49:18.510 doing this. She can't rape you. Trust me, you're 00:49:18.510 --> 00:49:21.230 going to take it away eventually. Eventually, 00:49:21.289 --> 00:49:24.769 they're going to go look elsewhere. Now, that 00:49:24.769 --> 00:49:30.070 can take a long time, but you can't wait. It 00:49:30.070 --> 00:49:35.280 can take a while. Yeah, but it'll happen. Listen, 00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:40.400 if you're doing it, here's the thing. I'm not 00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:42.760 saying you can't throw your marriage away. I 00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:45.039 can't control you throwing your marriage away. 00:49:45.619 --> 00:49:47.719 What I can control is you ain't going to throw 00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:50.880 it away for me. You know what I'm saying? Like, 00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:55.519 I can remove myself from the equation. If I got 00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:58.840 to ghost you, if I got to ignore you, whatever 00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:02.300 the fuck I got to do. I can remove myself from 00:50:02.300 --> 00:50:05.619 the equation. It's late at night, and I'm sitting 00:50:05.619 --> 00:50:09.820 home horny, and I see that text message. It's 00:50:09.820 --> 00:50:12.280 up to me if I want to respond to that text message 00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:19.159 or not. That is true, but they can also get crazy 00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:22.059 and foolish and start, like I said, coming to 00:50:22.059 --> 00:50:26.599 your job. I feel like a fucker. I know, but I'm 00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:30.079 just saying how that can get. You know how that 00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:31.820 can look. You know what I'm saying? Somebody 00:50:31.820 --> 00:50:36.420 knocking on your door at 3, 3 o 'clock in the 00:50:36.420 --> 00:50:38.440 morning. You just came from the club with a chick, 00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:40.579 and they out there banging on your doggone door. 00:50:40.619 --> 00:50:42.840 I know you in there. I know you in there. You 00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:46.079 know what I'm saying? That's not a good look. 00:50:46.300 --> 00:50:48.000 I understand what you're saying. Yeah, I'm still 00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:50.320 not going to do such and such. But the things 00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:54.639 that can happen before she finally says, you 00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:56.739 know, forget it. If she ever says forget it. 00:50:57.900 --> 00:51:02.760 But my thing is, like, the responsibility, I 00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:07.219 mean, either, maybe I'm a scumbag, okay, because 00:51:07.219 --> 00:51:14.139 it's already established. Yeah, clearly, because 00:51:14.139 --> 00:51:20.300 someone else is, it's like, if my wife comes 00:51:20.300 --> 00:51:22.699 home and says, hey, there's some dude at my job 00:51:22.699 --> 00:51:24.860 who's falling in love with me and he won't get 00:51:24.860 --> 00:51:27.539 out of my face. I'm not going to be like, hey, 00:51:27.619 --> 00:51:31.860 that's your fault. You don't bear any responsibility 00:51:31.860 --> 00:51:36.000 for another person's emotional state. Now, I 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:40.239 do agree with Mike. So I was using that to compare 00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:43.059 to Socrates' situation with the lady because 00:51:43.059 --> 00:51:45.780 he said he felt guilty that they moved out of 00:51:45.780 --> 00:51:49.179 state. I felt bad. I mean, you didn't put no 00:51:49.179 --> 00:51:53.590 dick on her. You know, wait. According to you, 00:51:53.610 --> 00:51:55.190 you didn't give her the meat. You know what I'm 00:51:55.190 --> 00:51:57.969 saying? You might have gave it to her. I'm fucking 00:51:57.969 --> 00:52:01.289 with you. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with 00:52:01.289 --> 00:52:06.769 you. In that context, in that context, but in 00:52:06.769 --> 00:52:11.170 the lifestyle context, you know, here's the thing 00:52:11.170 --> 00:52:17.909 that I advocate for. I believe that everyone 00:52:17.909 --> 00:52:22.579 should have the freedom. To take responsibility 00:52:22.579 --> 00:52:27.980 for their emotional state. If the second that 00:52:27.980 --> 00:52:30.280 I have the ability to look at somebody in their 00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:34.300 face and go, hey. You're not emotionally stable 00:52:34.300 --> 00:52:37.099 enough to be in this lifestyle or situation. 00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:42.320 Now, I can say you're starting to make me feel 00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:45.739 an uncomfortable attachment, at which point I'm 00:52:45.739 --> 00:52:48.280 a pull away from that. To me, I would definitely 00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:55.139 do. However. When I'm looking at some bull, because 00:52:55.139 --> 00:52:58.119 I love to say it's only the inexperienced guys, 00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:02.340 but over the last two years, I've had multiple 00:53:02.340 --> 00:53:06.539 conversations about multiple bulls who are experienced 00:53:06.539 --> 00:53:12.420 and are known in the lifestyle who formed an 00:53:12.420 --> 00:53:15.780 unnatural attachment to a wife within a couple, 00:53:15.900 --> 00:53:19.300 her and him both, being what I would consider... 00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:21.719 I would and the husband would definitely consider 00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:27.440 unethical. Do I think that he is doing some scumbag 00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:31.460 shit? Absolutely. Do I agree with it? I do not. 00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:35.300 Do I think that the husband should be mad at 00:53:35.300 --> 00:53:38.559 him and not the wife? Because the husband is 00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:41.860 telling me, you know, that fucker, he did this, 00:53:41.860 --> 00:53:44.360 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, he knew 00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:48.699 how she feel. And so now he's not mad at her. 00:53:50.230 --> 00:53:55.230 He's mad at the dude. I don't believe that any 00:53:55.230 --> 00:53:58.590 person outside of relationship should have that 00:53:58.590 --> 00:54:01.070 much emotional responsibility because either 00:54:01.070 --> 00:54:02.989 you're strong enough to be in the lifestyle emotionally 00:54:02.989 --> 00:54:07.269 or you are not. And if you're not strong enough 00:54:07.269 --> 00:54:11.829 to be in a lifestyle, anybody can take you or 00:54:11.829 --> 00:54:15.670 any situation can take you. It may not even be 00:54:15.670 --> 00:54:17.809 the bull. The bull may just be the catalyst. 00:54:18.889 --> 00:54:25.610 So am I going to thank you? Thank you. Am I going 00:54:25.610 --> 00:54:28.070 to tell somebody else to take emotional responsibility 00:54:28.070 --> 00:54:32.869 or accountability for someone else's actions? 00:54:33.769 --> 00:54:37.369 No, I'm not going to do that just because I wouldn't 00:54:37.369 --> 00:54:40.349 do it. I'm not going to blame it. And if some 00:54:40.349 --> 00:54:43.309 someday some dude came around and my wife decided 00:54:43.309 --> 00:54:46.289 she'd rather be with him, it would break my heart. 00:54:46.329 --> 00:54:51.340 But. I can't look at him as the bad guy because 00:54:51.340 --> 00:54:57.340 he didn't break a vow. I got a heart. Hey, I 00:54:57.340 --> 00:55:00.360 got a heart for that one. God damn it. That's 00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:07.400 my soft spot. So, hey, look, fella, we in deep 00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:11.519 on this. We like two and a half hours in. You 00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:13.550 got to do this in like two, three parts. Yeah, 00:55:13.550 --> 00:55:17.829 we have. Y 'all eating up my memory card. Yeah, 00:55:17.869 --> 00:55:21.329 we almost three hours into this one, man. I think 00:55:21.329 --> 00:55:24.849 we forgot that we was recording. I can say that. 00:55:24.849 --> 00:55:29.210 I forgot that we was recording. Hey, hey, I was 00:55:29.210 --> 00:55:31.030 online. I had to go online while we was talking 00:55:31.030 --> 00:55:33.510 to order an SD card because y 'all blew mine 00:55:33.510 --> 00:55:37.530 all the way up. I ran out of space. Yeah, it 00:55:37.530 --> 00:55:39.849 was like an eight -mile stretch. Don't worry, 00:55:39.949 --> 00:55:42.969 I'm still rolling. I'm still rolling. I got the 00:55:42.969 --> 00:55:44.929 big boy card over here for y 'all. Don't worry 00:55:44.929 --> 00:55:51.949 about it. Hey, no. No, no. No, Brian is super 00:55:51.949 --> 00:55:55.710 dick. Hey, I can't take that mantle. I can't 00:55:55.710 --> 00:55:58.829 take that mantle. Listen, hey, I done had some 00:55:58.829 --> 00:56:00.630 crazy situations. You can't run from your destiny. 00:56:00.829 --> 00:56:05.670 You can't run from your destiny. Hey, look. Hey, 00:56:05.750 --> 00:56:09.570 look. Hey, he had two chicks try to get him knocked 00:56:09.570 --> 00:56:12.510 off. On two different installations. Uh -uh. 00:56:12.510 --> 00:56:16.869 He the winner. He is the winner. I mean, I'd 00:56:16.869 --> 00:56:19.289 have had a chick tossing lawn chairs around in 00:56:19.289 --> 00:56:21.050 my front yard, but that was just between me, 00:56:21.070 --> 00:56:22.969 her, and my neighbors. You know what I'm saying? 00:56:26.690 --> 00:56:31.949 All right, fellas. Hey, let's wrap this thing 00:56:31.949 --> 00:56:35.469 up. We'll do a sound off on Mr. Mocha from the 00:56:35.469 --> 00:56:39.050 Old Faces podcast. And for me, this segment will 00:56:39.050 --> 00:56:42.050 be on our cutting board episode, which we're 00:56:42.050 --> 00:56:43.909 probably going to wind up breaking up into three 00:56:43.909 --> 00:56:55.250 parts. Gentlemen. Hey, man, this has been real. 00:56:55.989 --> 00:56:58.730 I think this is the first time that all the brothers. 00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:02.559 have been, you know, together in a long time. 00:57:03.260 --> 00:57:06.000 And I'm looking forward to continuing this because 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:08.019 this is something we can talk about damn near 00:57:08.019 --> 00:57:13.179 all night. Really. I can't speak for y 'all, 00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:15.099 but for me and Mr. Mocha, this is a Wednesday. 00:57:15.820 --> 00:57:17.599 Oh, yeah, yeah. It's like work. Yeah, I know 00:57:17.599 --> 00:57:20.960 it is. I know it is. I know it is. It's indeed 00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:22.960 been a pleasure sitting here just listening, 00:57:23.059 --> 00:57:26.280 you know, to the three of you guys go at it and 00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:30.329 then, you know, cutting in when I can. But definitely, 00:57:30.469 --> 00:57:31.550 though, we're going to have to continue this 00:57:31.550 --> 00:57:34.269 another time. And I'm really looking forward 00:57:34.269 --> 00:57:37.170 to it. No, absolutely. Absolutely. Mr. Mocha 00:57:37.170 --> 00:57:38.949 noticed is one of the big reasons why I love 00:57:38.949 --> 00:57:42.630 him. We can go in each other's neck for two hours. 00:57:44.809 --> 00:57:48.730 And, you know, sometimes we agree. Most of the 00:57:48.730 --> 00:57:54.369 times we agree to disagree. But I always love 00:57:54.369 --> 00:57:57.070 the fact that he challenges me. I mean, and it's 00:57:57.070 --> 00:57:58.690 like, okay, motherfucker, let me see how much 00:57:58.690 --> 00:58:01.469 you believe that shit you're saying. Ditto, ditto. 00:58:02.929 --> 00:58:06.849 Yeah, I like to think I do the same to him. Absolutely. 00:58:07.150 --> 00:58:09.849 So it's that whole iron sharpens iron thing. 00:58:10.070 --> 00:58:13.610 So, you know, I'll release this on some version 00:58:13.610 --> 00:58:17.010 of the China shop. And so we'll make sure we 00:58:17.010 --> 00:58:19.309 catch people from all sides. No matter who they 00:58:19.309 --> 00:58:22.170 listen to, they're going to hear this. It's a 00:58:22.170 --> 00:58:23.909 long time. I don't know if they're going to stick 00:58:23.909 --> 00:58:26.480 around for the whole thing. Hopefully they will. 00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:29.440 Like I said, I think it got to a point where 00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:35.000 we forgot we were recording. Yeah. Just having 00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:41.059 fun. And we need to fellowship more often just 00:58:41.059 --> 00:58:42.800 like this. You know what I mean? Regardless if 00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:47.119 we are recording or not. Indeed. Well, Mr. Mocha 00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:49.400 won't let you talk for more than 10 minutes before. 00:58:50.170 --> 00:58:55.789 He says we need to be recording this. Correction. 00:58:56.650 --> 00:58:59.130 As soon as there's the slightest bit of disagreement, 00:58:59.489 --> 00:59:01.190 it's like, okay, we need to be recording this. 00:59:01.329 --> 00:59:03.449 That's because we didn't talk for five hours, 00:59:03.489 --> 00:59:05.469 man. We was like, hey, we probably should have 00:59:05.469 --> 00:59:08.349 recorded that. Yeah, no, no. We definitely let 00:59:08.349 --> 00:59:10.929 some gold slip out of the way by just being lazy. 00:59:11.210 --> 00:59:14.670 But no, sometimes, like B says, sometimes I just 00:59:14.670 --> 00:59:17.190 want to talk. Yeah, I just want to close it, 00:59:17.210 --> 00:59:20.300 man. We don't always have to record, but it's 00:59:20.300 --> 00:59:23.760 always fun when we do. Until next time, fellas. 00:59:23.940 --> 00:59:26.920 I mean, it's your podcast, so you got to be the 00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:29.260 one to sign off. Socrates ain't signed off yet. 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:33.679 Socrates, what you got to say, baby? Yeah, yeah. 00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:37.860 Socrates signing off. And I think what we'll 00:59:37.860 --> 00:59:40.940 do as the producer, I think we're going to put 00:59:40.940 --> 00:59:43.440 this on the bull table, but I'm not sure if that's 00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:45.539 going to be the title of it. But that will be 00:59:45.539 --> 00:59:49.519 on that segment as well. So, yeah, it's a pleasure 00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:52.360 as well to be in the presence of these masters, 00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:55.059 man, and me to sit under y 'all's feet. And I 00:59:55.059 --> 00:59:58.679 want to say this, too. You're at the table, bro. 00:59:58.739 --> 01:00:00.480 You're at the table. Yeah, well, that's right. 01:00:00.539 --> 01:00:04.400 Yeah, that's true. To be at this table and to 01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:08.039 have an input with these brothers is just a pleasure. 01:00:09.019 --> 01:00:12.579 I'm still working on mastery. I can't claim master 01:00:12.579 --> 01:00:18.010 yet. Yeah, me either. But, you know. All right, 01:00:18.010 --> 01:00:21.429 man. Okay, well. Brian was the only quiet one, 01:00:21.510 --> 01:00:28.630 so we'll say. Hey, Brian didn't jump and say, 01:00:28.690 --> 01:00:32.230 you don't call me that. Hey. He is the older 01:00:32.230 --> 01:00:36.469 brother. Yeah. Brian is big, bro. Hey, he a vet. 01:00:37.550 --> 01:00:40.670 He can't let his younger brothers know that he 01:00:40.670 --> 01:00:45.190 don't know everything. Hey, look, I don't know. 01:00:45.329 --> 01:00:47.989 You know what I'm saying? I don't know everything, 01:00:48.150 --> 01:00:50.190 man. That's why we need the fellowship like this 01:00:50.190 --> 01:00:52.250 more often. You know what I'm saying? So we can 01:00:52.250 --> 01:00:56.590 come together and put all these great minds together 01:00:56.590 --> 01:00:58.750 and all these thoughts together and stuff, man. 01:00:59.010 --> 01:01:02.070 Because here again, we're all at a point in our 01:01:02.070 --> 01:01:05.630 lives now where we need to be giving back. We 01:01:05.630 --> 01:01:07.769 need to be teaching. These younger ones. You 01:01:07.769 --> 01:01:09.570 know, they're talking about younger ones. And 01:01:09.570 --> 01:01:11.989 even the older ones who just don't have the experience 01:01:11.989 --> 01:01:13.969 yet. You know what I mean? They're just getting 01:01:13.969 --> 01:01:17.050 into it. We need to be teaching. We need to be 01:01:17.050 --> 01:01:19.010 teaching. All right? This is the world that we 01:01:19.010 --> 01:01:20.909 live in. This is the world that we live and love 01:01:20.909 --> 01:01:23.489 24 -7. And, you know, we ain't going nowhere. 01:01:23.809 --> 01:01:26.289 This is who we are. And that's what younger cats 01:01:26.289 --> 01:01:28.710 can learn. You can bust balls and learn at the 01:01:28.710 --> 01:01:32.010 same time. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. That's 01:01:32.010 --> 01:01:34.769 why I love this. Because I know you two motherfuckers 01:01:34.769 --> 01:01:37.309 are going to go at it. I know y 'all are going 01:01:37.309 --> 01:01:41.610 to go at it. We live for this shit. I know y 01:01:41.610 --> 01:01:43.010 'all are going to go at it. You know what I'm 01:01:43.010 --> 01:01:46.210 saying? We live for this shit. And I can't wait 01:01:46.210 --> 01:01:51.070 until Pagan is on the other line also. You know? 01:01:51.530 --> 01:01:54.070 Good luck tracking him down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:01:54.230 --> 01:01:58.610 You done said that. He must be hard to get. He 01:01:58.610 --> 01:02:01.289 must be hard to track. That's Pagan, a .k .a. 01:02:01.650 --> 01:02:04.110 Milkbox. It's like he's on the side of the milkbox. 01:02:04.449 --> 01:02:05.929 There you go. There you go. We're going to fish 01:02:05.929 --> 01:02:09.389 him up. There you go. Hey, once he hears this 01:02:09.389 --> 01:02:12.550 one, he's going to show up. He's going to be 01:02:12.550 --> 01:02:14.690 mad he missed this one. He's going to be mad 01:02:14.690 --> 01:02:17.190 he missed this one. All right, fellas. Good deal. 01:02:17.809 --> 01:02:21.570 Love y 'all. Well, hey, man. It's been a pleasure. 01:02:21.789 --> 01:02:25.090 It has really been a pleasure. And as I usually 01:02:25.090 --> 01:02:28.750 say on our podcast, you know, for the brothers. 01:02:29.309 --> 01:02:33.190 of the brotherhood out there uh good night and 01:02:33.190 --> 01:02:42.139 for all those sexy hot wives good morning That's 01:02:42.139 --> 01:02:45.320 that boom baby girl shit I was talking about 01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:49.559 right there. He wanted to close up by wetting 01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:52.260 up some panties real quick. Let me wet some panties 01:02:52.260 --> 01:02:57.139 before you wrap this thing up. You know the context 01:02:57.139 --> 01:02:59.039 of what he means when he says good morning. That 01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:00.920 means I'm laying behind you and I'm just going 01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:02.539 to reach over and just say good morning in your 01:03:02.539 --> 01:03:06.820 ear. You know me, brother. That's that ism as 01:03:06.820 --> 01:03:08.679 we call it down in the South. You know what I'm 01:03:08.679 --> 01:03:11.750 saying? That's that ism. But ladies and gentlemen, 01:03:11.750 --> 01:03:13.809 we hope you have enjoyed this podcast for the 01:03:13.809 --> 01:03:16.210 night, this episode for the night. And here again, 01:03:16.349 --> 01:03:19.389 we will talk to you soon. Everybody, good night. 01:03:19.530 --> 01:03:21.510 Good night, fellas. All right, kill it. Three 01:03:21.510 --> 01:03:23.309 hours of my night talking to y 'all, motherfucker. 01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:42.119 This brotherhood's for men whose stories need 01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:46.699 to get told. Say it loud. Oh, say it loud. This 01:03:46.699 --> 01:03:50.340 is who we are. Old, confident, and seductive. 01:03:50.860 --> 01:03:54.500 Dominant and classy. We stand tall, never fall. 01:03:54.719 --> 01:03:59.039 Bull brotherhood. Luxury untold.