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mastery welcome to the brotherhood welcome to
the bull brotherhood podcast where we talk power
pleasure and the art of dominance in ethical
non -monogamy this is not your average lifestyle
podcast this is for men who lead men who master,
and men who leave a lasting impression. If you're
here, you're not just curious. You're ready to
elevate. So to all the bulls, hot wives, stags,
and open -minded explorers, we see you. Let's
go. When we deal with these couples, especially
the newer couple, we're bringing in an energy
that is completely foreign to them. Especially
cats like B Morgan. Cats like Mr. Mocha, a .k
.a. Super Dick. You know what I'm saying? There's
a certain kind of energy. Don't give me that
title. Hell no. I don't want that one. Listen,
the shirt is already on the way, brother. The
shirt is already on the way. The shirt is already
on the way. But no, I'm saying, like, and so,
but at the same time, knowing you brothers the
way that I do, I know that you're cognizant of
that. You know what I'm saying? You're cognizant
of the fact that, you know, as our brother who's
not here, Pagan, is fond of saying, what do you
call it, that, was it black sex magic? You know,
like, we got that shit with us, bruh. And you
know you got that shit with you. You can be as
humble as the fuck you want to be, but you know
you got that shit with you. You know what I'm
saying? Like, B, know he got that shit with him.
Socrates is learning that he got that shit with
him. I know I got that shit with me. Dimitri
know he got that shit with him. Pagan know he
got that shit. That's why we brothers. You know
what I'm saying? So you know when you hitting
somebody with something. And it ain't just the
dick. I mean, we laugh and joke and say it's
super dick, whatever. But the super dick is all
-encompassing. It, you know, it's Mr. Mocha's.
I don't give a fuck. I'm going to tell you what
I feel because I'm confident in what I'm saying.
You might not like what I'm saying to you, but
you know I'm spitting truth. And if the truth
hurts, so be it. It's that confidence he has
in what he says. I mean, it's B. Morgan's combination
of masculinity and sensitivity. You know what
I'm saying? The way he throw that baby girl around.
I mean, he know what the fuck he's doing when
he throw that baby girl around. He know the effect
that that's having. Baby girl, right? You know
what I'm saying? He know what he's doing. Like,
ain't none of us new to this. So that's when
I talk about the ethical part is we know what
we're capable of. We know that bartender is serving
you straight, honey -proof liquor. I know there's
a possibility that you're going to get drunk.
So as the bartender, it's up to me to be like,
you know what? Why don't you take this cup of
water right now? You didn't have too much. I'm
going to cut you off. Because if I leave it up
to you, you're going to keep buying shots. But
I don't want to get sued when you wreck your
car after leaving here. So I'm going to give
you water for this next hour. That's what I mean
when I talk about the ethical part. We know what
we're working with. We're not oblivious to it.
We see it. We see ourselves in the mirror every
day. That's one of the things I've learned about.
I still have to push back from the... I think
there's a such thing as being confident, but
I also... And maybe it's what I personally, just
my personal values. I don't believe that I have
the ability to take... I don't think that I have
the ability to come between two people who are
in love with each other and who have their shit
together. You know, that same woman who might
decide to leave her husband for her bull is the
same woman, you know, the same type of woman
that would, you know, leave her husband for the
guy at the office. There's a lot of those people
out there in the lifestyle and outside of lifestyle.
And then there's going to be the women who I
don't give a fuck. How much swag or how young
or how good looking or how much money you have.
You can't take her from her man. So I think that.
Yeah, I can. I can break a board. That's cut
a quarter of the way through. So she's already
has cracks and fractures. Yes, and I can break
her. People being new to the lifestyle. Being
new to this type of life does not mean that they
have cracks and fractures. In fact, if they came
into the lifestyle the way they're supposed to.
They just don't know. They just don't know. But
no matter what I don't know, no matter what my
wife don't know, you're not going to convince
us to do some shit that's outside of our current
programming. Like me and the Sigma male spoke
about earlier. If she's on my program. And we're
on the same page and somebody else comes in and
she allows them to interrupt my programming.
Me and her got smoked, not me and him. And I
personally don't believe that super dick or anything
can can interrupt the thing that's not broken.
Now, if it's broken, then it's susceptible to
to me. Or to the lame -ass dude who we'd be like,
how the fuck did you let that guy get you? That's
not super dick. Because she was already susceptible.
You know what I mean? So I can't give it to,
hey, I appreciate the compliment. Maybe somebody
will listen to this and be like, I want to suck
his dick. You know what I'm saying? I'll be like,
well, ma 'am, here it is. But I don't believe
that I'm not willing to take away. Her her freedom
of choice and her ability to make decisions,
because now I feel like I'm weakening her. If
anybody told my wife that there is a dick somewhere
so good that you'll get stupefied, I'd say go
fucking kill yourself because you're insulting
her emotional intelligence as well as her own
intelligence and her ability to make an educated
or uneducated decision. No, fuck that. You do
some outsiders programming. You did it because
you wanted to. Not because some dick was so good.
You done sucked a thousand dicks in your life
and all of a sudden you found the golden penis?
Get the fuck out of here. I don't believe that.
You know what I'm saying? And that's relative
because if you're stepping into the lifestyle
properly, usually you guys are strong enough
and you're exciting. And yeah, you're going to
make some mistakes between the two of you. But
mistakes like, oh, this guy's cock was so good
I left my family for it? Nah, I don't believe
that. But you've seen it before. With somebody
who was fractured, when you have a woman or a
couple who shit went together. There's a lot
of fractured couples in this lifestyle. A lot.
That's very true. There's a lot of fractured
couples in this lifestyle. And all I'm saying
is, as an experienced... I agree with that. I
do agree with that. And you would never know
it. I'm able to recognize, like I know I can
push a solid couple further than I can push a
fractured couple. You know what I'm saying? I
know that they can endure more and take more
and explore more than a couple who might not
be on solid footing. You know what I'm saying?
Now, the way that I feel about myself personally
is I can handle those type of couples because...
not all the time, but oftentimes I can help them
get to that place. Sometimes I fail, but I'm
not afraid to try. If that makes sense. I'm saying
like, I don't, I don't run from that smoke. You
know, I know I, but I get, I totally get the
guys who are like, man, I don't feel like dealing
with that. I didn't sign up for that. That kind
of situation doesn't deter me because of the
way my brain works. I'm saying, um, And you're
also a real, you're a real bull and you accept
that challenge. I wouldn't say that a guy is
not a real bull for not accepting that challenge.
Some guys just don't want those complications.
Some guys just like my life is complicated enough.
I don't need to be introducing that type of energy
into my day -to -day shit. Like I didn't get
into this lifestyle to be a therapist. Like I
would never fault anybody for that just because
that happens to be my jam. I'm saying. You know,
I just happen to have a thing for damaged people.
That's just my own character flaw. If you want
to call it a flaw, you know what I'm saying?
That's how I got to this point was by dealing
with people that have problems. And then I figured
out how to, you know, work through those problems
and what, you know, what added to those problems
and what caused those problems. And that's how
I got a podcast because that kind of thing interests
me. You know what I'm saying? But I would never
knock anybody for not. wanting to do that kind
of heavy lifting. You know, this lifestyle is
supposed to be fun. Like I'm not trying to deal
with the real life implications behind this shit.
I'm in this shit to have fun. My regular life
is complicated enough as it is. So I would never
knock anybody or say to somebody who's not a
real bull for not wanting to play therapist also.
That just happens to be something that, you know,
that doesn't turn me away or doesn't turn me
off. You know what I'm saying? Michael, can I
propose a question to you? Sure. My real -life
situation. So this is what I'm really getting
at. Like you said, you helped me go from lack
of confidence and lack of ability. Mr. Mocha
as well, Brian Morgan, Pagan, you guys all helped
me. I'm getting to the point where, oh, okay,
you know, like we talked about in Utopia, some
of these skills are starting to pay off, right?
So let's take my love. Yeah. No, they starting
to, they, they paying off now. So let's say I'm,
but I'm still new. There's, there's things I
haven't accomplished. Like I haven't owned a
couple yet. All of y 'all have, right. I haven't
gone to that stage yet. So I'm, I'm developing,
I'm learning. So let's say me, I don't think
I'm broken, but I'm new and I'm learning. And
I get with a couple. I don't know they're broken
yet because I'm still learning. Right. And me,
I give it my all. I know some guys say, I can't
give it all to you. I got to leave some leftover
for next time. Okay. That's cool. I don't think
that way just yet. So I'm giving you, I'm giving
you as much super dick as I got. And it ends
up to where I'm in this situation that like Mr.
Mocha said, well, she tripping, but I don't know
that she tripping as much as I, as much as she
should be considering what I gave her. And I'm
in that situation, and it falls apart. And she
ends up saying, I'm leaving my man. You did.
And I want to be with you. And I'm like, number
one, I'm married. Number two, I ain't here for
that. I've been here for a good time, not a long
time. Whose fault is that then? Is that my fault
because I didn't know what I was doing? Is it
her fault because she shouldn't have been susceptible
to that? Is that their fault because... I didn't
make no vows. They made vows. Who's fault would
that be? What I'm about to say is going to sound
contradictory. I'm aware of that as I'm about
to say it. Hey, man. Hey, hey. Don't take shit
away from me because you know I would have enjoyed
telling you that. Don't put disclaimers on it
to keep my mouth shut. It ain't going to work.
Carry on. And I know we've all been in this position,
especially the three of us, where it's like,
especially when you're talking about a cuckold
dynamic. When both parties are new, that's when
I take out the popcorn. I'm like, shit's about
to get really interesting when the bull is new
and the couple is new. You know, it's like, okay,
this shit is about, the fireworks are about to
start. What I would say about the contradictory
part where I'm contradicting myself is, and I
say this to you, Brother Socrates, with love.
The one thing that Brian, myself, and Mr. Mocha
have in common, and the brothers that ain't here,
Dimitri and Peyton, we got trialed by fire, man.
We took out bumps and bruises. We learned. You
know what I'm saying? We went through it. We
made mistakes. We put our foot in our mouths.
We put ourselves in fucked up situations and
positions. And, you know, we love giving you
that knowledge. We love giving you that information.
But at the same time, there's no substitute for
real world experiences. So I say that to say,
bro, you got to just get out there and take your
lumps, man. You got to take your fucking lumps.
You got to get out there and try shit and be
like, oh, that blew up in my face. I don't want
to try it like that again. We can give you as
much education as we can, and you can take it
all in as much as you can absorb, but there's
no substitute for real -world experience. There's
no substitute for being in a situation and then
going home and thinking about that situation
and saying to yourself. Okay, if I'm in that
situation again, what would I do differently?
Or, hey, this situation looks really familiar
to another situation I was in. I wonder if I
can pull that lesson from that situation and
apply it to this situation. Oh, shit, it worked.
Or, oh, shit, it didn't work. Okay, let me scramble
and come back and try it again. You know, you're
talking to three guys that, B, how long have
you been doing this shit? 32 years. Okay, Mr.
Mocha, Methuselah, how long have you been doing
it? Probably 24. Yeah, and myself, 25 plus. So
we've been, trust me, we did not all start as
the refined product our listeners, our combined
listeners are listening to now. You know what
I'm saying? Hell to the no. Hell no. I applaud
the hell out of you. Like, I wish I would have
had Mr. Merkle or B. Morgan, you know, there
to lay the groundwork for me. But at the same
time, I know how valuable that real -world experience
was to me. And I don't want you to be afraid
to make mistakes. And so I like to make mistakes,
bruh. As long as you're not making the same mistakes
over and over and over. No, brother, I think
you misunderstand my question. And you know that's
my gospel. I'll tell anybody. I don't care how
many books I read, how many times I sit under
these people's feet. Experience trumps that.
I'm not saying that. What I'm asking you is,
all things being equal, it sounds to me like
you got the bull's fault. It's the bull's fault.
It's like you got all these skills. And I got
all these skills. I don't know that these women
are reading body language books or talking to
a bunch of other people, experts in their field
and therapists and all of these kind of things.
I don't know that the couple's doing that. I
just know what I'm doing. So I'm saying if I
come in with my new, with all of these masters,
I mean, like you said, I get to call all you
brothers. And I will probably talk to one of
y 'all every day. If I ain't talking to Mr. Mocha,
I'm talking to you. If I ain't talking to you
or Mr. Mocha, I'm talking to... Brian Morgan.
If I ain't talking to him, I'm trying to call
Pagan and try to get him on the line. And if
I can't pick him up, I'll get deep. So it's like,
I don't know that they have that, but what I'm
asking you is, if I go put my super dickness
on them and it turns out that it blows up and
she's ready to leave her husband, that's my fault?
I have the ethics. I might tell her, don't leave
her. I'll tell her, don't do that. I'll tell
her, I'm here for a good time, not a long time.
I'll tell her all the things she needs to hear.
Are you aware that you put, and again, when I
say super dick, I'm not referring to just a dick.
You know what I'm saying? I'm referring to the
whole package. Communication, exploring, confidence,
building them up. You know what I'm saying? Encouraging
them like, like everything that comes with it.
But the thing is, whenever I do that, I know
what I'm doing. Like I'm fully aware of what,
like I'm not doing it by accident. You know what
I'm saying? So knowing that I'm keeping my eyes
open, like, okay, she's coming along. She's coming
along. She's coming along. Oh shit. She's getting
caught up. Now I got to put the brakes on because
I, because that's the reaction that I don't want.
I don't want her getting caught up. You know
what I'm saying? I want her to be confident.
But they came with what, though, Mike? But they
came with what, though, Mike? Your experience,
right? You talked about on -the -job training.
Yeah, experience and understanding. I think,
okay, great. And like you said, 20 -something
years of experience. You know what I mean? For
that young dude, for that young boy that's just
starting out, He probably doesn't know no other
way but to bring fire and stage five from the
jump. He don't know how to turn it off. He don't
know how to communicate the right way. He doesn't
know. He doesn't know. So if he does bring the
super deep at first and he makes her feel some
kind of way. And here again, technically, yeah,
he is at fault. You know what I mean? Because
like I said, he's not experienced. He doesn't
know. He doesn't know. He wouldn't make those
errors if he's been in it for 20 plus or 30 years
like we are. You know what I'm saying? Because
we're able to read. We're able to read the room.
You know, we know what they look for. We know
how they look at you a certain way. So we know
how to tune it. You know how to tune it down.
But for that new guy. He doesn't know. He doesn't
know. Something that we're all familiar with,
and it's fucked up that we're all familiar with
it, but it is what it is. We've all lived in
neighborhoods, been around neighborhoods, visited
neighborhoods that got fucked up by crack. Right.
So it's like the motherfucker that's out there
slinging. Like, yeah, I'm not making these people
come to me. I'm not making these people buy this
shit from me. But at the same time, every once
in a while, you'll talk to a dude who used to
do that, who understands the damage that he wrought
on his community. So what about the dude who
gets into this? And he, because this is something
that's a thing that I just, over the last few
years, because like being Morgan, the Sigma male,
I was pretty much a lone wolf myself. So once
I started, socializing with more dudes within
the lifestyle, I started seeing there's a whole
lot of dudes out there really catching feelings
for people's wives. So is it the wife's fault
for giving out that good pussy? Has she got the
super cat? Does she bear no responsibility for
making this motherfucker lose his mind? I need
to know because if I can find some scientific
evidence, I'm about to start losing it. I love
that. I'm joking. I'm joking. But, you know,
so no matter what we say that we feel like the
guy has some sort of response. I mean, and listeners,
please understand this is not something that
happens all the time. Honestly, I've most of
the guys who I've spoken to in lifestyle, it's
only a small percentage of guys, in my opinion,
who experience, you know, the situation where
you've you've. Interacted with so many different
people throughout the lifestyle, throughout your
lifestyle experience where you come across a
person or two who who creates this inappropriate
or attempt to create inappropriate attachment.
Now, honestly, and I feel terrible for saying
this, but until the last few years, I didn't
realize that there are some guys out here. who
are creating these attachment to, to marry women
or the hot wives or cuckoldresses in the lifestyle.
And I mean, inappropriate, like claiming this
is my woman, you know, not, not with the wife
or the husband's permission. So, so does the,
is the bull responsible for everything? Does
the, the couple have no, Bear no responsibility,
especially seeing as how most of the couples
have been in the lifestyle longer than many of
the bulls. So is it based upon experience? I've
got X amount of years of experience, so therefore
I'm responsible if the woman gets too attached
to me. But if the couple has 25 years of experience
and they get a young bull, then he gets attached.
Is it now their fault that he's attached? That
goes back to the comment that I just made about
when you have both parties that are relatively
new to this, when you kind of sit back down.
That wasn't the question. That wasn't the question.
Yeah, yeah. So you said that the couple is experienced?
Yep. Yes, this couple has 20 plus, yeah, 20 plus.
Yeah, and that situation, the responsibility
falls to the more experienced party. Can we all
agree on that? The responsibility falls to the
more experienced part? I don't agree. Listen,
I don't agree, but I think you're finally being
fair. I will take it because you're being fair.
God damn it. He's being fair. He's being fair.
You know what I'm saying? My complaint before
was the lack of fairness and the fact that at
least for once you've been fair. You know, I'm
about to make a lot of noise. You know what I'm
saying? I'm making a lot of noise because, you
know, usually you be on that bullshit. So thank
you for being fair. I still don't agree, but
I like the fairness. I want to hear what Socrates
has to say because he quickly said, no, you know,
I disagree. What's your take on that? I mean,
you got to listen to it. Listen to it good now.
Because we talk about, you and I talk about experience
all the time. You know what I mean? We talk about
experience all the time. We got a young boy here.
We got a young dude that's just getting started.
He's just getting started. We won't say age,
but we're going to say he's in his 20s. Okay,
he's a young dude. You know what I mean? We got
a couple here that let's say they've been in
his 20s. 20 years at least. So we're going to
say they're in their 50s. Is that safe to say,
y 'all? Let's say a 50 -year -old couple. A seasoned
couple. A seasoned couple. All right, Socrates.
Now give me your, I just laid out that. You know,
like Mike was saying, give me your reason for
saying that it's not the couple's responsibility
to like maybe bring that, maybe school that young
man. Go ahead. No, no, no. Michael was saying
that whoever has more experience is the responsibility,
right? Okay. Well, in this case, I disagree with
that. I disagree with that. Yeah. So here's why
it is real simple. One thing, are they married?
Yes. A couple married. Okay. So I didn't say
no vows. I said some vows to my wife and, um,
My vow is that if I meet one of these, like,
what is it called? Mr. Mocha said, super cat.
If I meet a woman with a super cat, my commitment
to my wife is I work that shit out. I got to
let that super cat go. I got to do something
because we've made a commitment. I didn't make
no commitment to you. Even if I'm your boyfriend
and you want me to be your boyfriend, you didn't
say. Hey, you are applying now for the job of
replacing my husband. No, you said y 'all are
together. You guys are committed. And I always
ask that question. Are you guys in a happy relationship?
Because I don't want no smoke. I don't want no
problem. So you guys are committed. I didn't
make no vow to you, woman. I didn't make no vow
to you, Mr. Cuff. I made a commitment. I'm going
to bring as much of my skills as I can, and we're
going to enjoy each other's company. I'm not
responsible for you. You ain't responsible for
me. They made a vow to each other. So if I put
super dick on you, and even if I fit in my opinion,
if a super dick come to Siren and put it on her,
like all the way on her, like he has, he's unethical.
He don't care. My mentality is, even if I'm lacking,
you made a vow and a commitment to me that we
got to work this out. Right. And if you would
have said, well, I'm looking that look, I'm out.
But if you're like, we're getting into this for
fun and we're going to expand our relationship
or maybe he's got some things like, I don't role
play. It's hard enough to be. Right. I don't
role play. So I'm like, please go get yourself
a brother that can play cop or robbers or whatever
the hell y 'all want to do. I ain't doing it.
So that's our commitment. She's committed to
me. I'm committed to her. So now I don't care
what y 'all experience got. I don't care if the
dude, I just, we technically only been married.
We have our anniversary for first year is coming
up a couple of weeks. I don't care if the dude
got 20 years experience. If Mr. Morgan can take
my wife away from me, then that's on me. I dropped
the bag. I have a problem. And that's my problem.
Cause I made a commitment to her. She made a
commitment to me. I don't care what. I don't
get 55 years of experience. No. Okay. Okay. Okay.
Flip the script. Flip the script. Flip the script.
All right. Let's say the wife, the wife throws,
what do you call it? What do you call the mocha?
Super cat or super cat? Super cat. Super cat.
What if she throws super cat? What if she throws
super cat? Okay. What if she throws super cat
on that little 20 -some -year -old? And he goes
ballistic. He goes ballistic. He goes walking
around, you know, like Mike said, he tell him,
yo, this is my girl, and yada, yada, yada, and
unbeknownst to the couple. Y 'all don't even
know that he's saying that. You know what I'm
saying? So you're saying the cubs don't even
know. The cubs don't even know. The couple doesn't
even know. The couple doesn't even know. You
see what I'm saying? They just thought they had
a great day. Yada, yada. Okay, got it. All right.
You know what I mean? But, you know, she rocked
bottom, okay? She hit him with the rock bottom.
You know what I'm saying? Now he messed up. So
are they at fault because they didn't, you know,
like bring him on slowly, you know? And like
somebody told me, you don't give it all to him
at one time or what? I'll take it even further.
I was going to bring this up earlier. I studied
hypnotism. And so back in the 70s, they were
starting to put subliminal messages in the movies.
And I forgot what the governing body of that
did that. But they said, you can't do that because
there are some people susceptible, so susceptible
to. hypnotism, that they will start losing a
part of their ability to resist, right? So I'm
saying there are people out there that you don't
have much, you have a very hard upward battle
of resisting what they're doing. I'm saying even
further away from super dicks. I'm talking about
some of these guys that are CIA masters or they
are You know, hypnotizing masters, they study
the game like that. I'm saying you can put all
that on me, but as a bull, I don't know one bull
on this planet that doesn't understand the concept
of you. I don't know one bull in America. What
was that name? Union. Marriage. Right? Okay.
You can put all that super... They don't give
a fuck, but they understand the concept. That's
different. What I'm saying is... You got a 20
-year -old couple. You got 20 years of togetherness,
right? And you got some young cat. Yeah, you
can put it on him and make him want to act stupid.
You can put it on him and have him fucked up.
He can't concentrate at work. He can't take his
mind off her. But there's a line that every man
in this country knows. You do not cross that
line. Every man knows that. I mean, if you initiate
21 and years old, yeah, you are not. I don't
care what she put on you. You're wrong. You got
some huckabuckas, as I call them out there. You
got some huckabuckas that don't understand that,
though, brother. You got some out there. You
got some out there that they get so caught up
in that thing and so good that they do forget
and they lose their mind. And, you know, now
you got a mess. No, I'm taking it even further.
You got some guys, you got some women and some
people that are so skillful at it. They damn
near can make a court case. I'm saying it don't
matter. It just takes it from murder to manslaughter.
You still paying the price on me. You still crossed
the line. Well, I was hypnotized. Your hypnotized
ass crossed the line. I don't care how much experience
they got. I need to understand this. So from
your standpoint, because earlier we talked about
when a guy interacts with a couple and the wife
gets attached to him and she wants to leave the
husband for that guy. Mike feels like the guy
bears a certain amount of responsibility for
that. Now, the other side of that question is
if, you know, a young guy meets a couple and.
You know, the wife is phenomenal. She's a great
woman. He gets really attached to her and he
wants her for himself or he wants to take ownership
of that woman. The you don't feel like it's.
Her fault. Because her pussy was so good. Correct.
If she's the more experienced one. So if she's
the more experienced one, do you feel like she
bears responsibility for the level of attachment
that the young man has to her? Because we're
just switching the roles. She bears responsibility
for turning him out? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Because
whenever you turn, I mean, you've turned somebody,
I'm sure you've turned somebody out before, right?
You're no stranger to having turned somebody
out. And I'm not talking lifestyle. I'm just
talking about just period. Like you've turned
somebody out before. Okay. It's not a, it's not
a, it's not a Monday. They were cool. Tuesday.
They were turned out kind of thing. You know
what I'm saying? Like if your eyes are open,
you see it happening. Now, whether you choose
to acknowledge it or not, that's a different
story, but you see it happening. Like, it's usually
some type of gradual thing. Like, it's not instantaneous
for the most part. You can acknowledge it. You
can acknowledge it. Yeah, you can acknowledge
it. But if she is too far gone and nothing can
change, I mean, you know that you have turned
the tables in her life, and there is, like, I
mean, she's ready to give. everything up for
you she's ready to give up the husband she's
ready to give up she has a child she doesn't
even care if the husband keeps the child she
wants you that's all that she sees when she goes
to bed that's all that she sees when she wakes
up she comes to your job and and will find reasons
to stay there you know what i mean yeah that's
been through it brother been through it okay
you You get pulled from your job for 30 days
for an investigation because of that shit, okay?
We're going to circle. I just want you to know
we ain't just going to glance over this. On the
next podcast, we will circle back to that because
that is one hell of a story. Yeah, yeah. I got
pulled from my damn office for 30 days. To this
day, I still don't know exactly where I was sitting.
for 29 days until the investigator came and told
me that the other ladies who wrote statements,
who I was guilty as hell because I was sleeping
with them too, but they had too much to let go.
So they wrote statements that made me look like
Mickey Mouse. They really did. And I got out
of that shit because of that. They could not
find... anything to prove that i was doing what
you know allegedly but was i doing it yes i was
doing it Absolutely, what's fucking? I was doing
the same job. I hope the statute of limitations
is done. I was Dexter's same job, brother. I'm
trying to tell you right now. The part that he
looks out is he was doing it well. Just for the
listeners, we ain't talking about no legal shit.
We talking about ethical shit. You know, a lifestyle
situation that went sideways when the wife was
like, hey, I want that dick to be mine. And she
was willing to ruin the man's career. Yeah, yeah.
You know what I'm saying? And this happened twice
to me. Two times. Happened twice. I do not deserve
the title of super dick. He deserves the title
of super dick. Happened twice on two different
freaking installations. It happened twice. Happened
twice. And both of them, one ended in, later
on, ended in divorce. And then the other one,
they ended up leaving, going elsewhere. But later
on also, they divorced also. So, you know. So,
Mike, was it his fault? Was he the more experienced
one? Was I the more experienced? Yeah, I was.
The dogs are judging you, B. The dogs are judging
you. The dog is like, nope. I'm not saying that
it's an easy thing to accept that responsibility.
I'm not saying it's an easy place to get to and
to do so in a flippant manner. But you asked
me my opinion. And I'm always going to put the
onus on the person who's seen it before, the
person who has more experience. Now, part of
that is, you know, and maybe it's unfair, but
I don't run from that responsibility. And the
bulls that I know, the cats that I fuck with,
they don't run from that responsibility. So,
yes, I hold people to that standard. I'm not
saying it's fair. I'm not saying it's right.
But that's what I do. And if you fuck with me,
that's what you're going to get. When I run dealing
with a new couple, I come to that conclusion
pretty quickly of who's the more experienced
person in this scenario. If it's them. I move
accordingly. If it's me, I move accordingly.
When I find that it's me that's in that position
of more experience, you best believe I'm very
much aware of every move that I make. Because
I don't want shit to get complicated. I do agree
with that. Is it your fault? I take it as my
fault. Oh, so when shit goes sideways, you take
in the heat. Yeah. Because I'm looking at it
like I didn't do, I didn't have my eyes on the
prize the way I needed to. So what if there's
a couple, what if it's a couple that's masterful
at hiding those tickets? What if it's a couple
that's like, they're not letting you know, they
got all kinds of turmoil. What was that? They
got all kind of turmoil in the background, but
you don't know about it. Okay. Yes, sir. But
you asked me that question, so I'm going to answer
that question for you. Yes, sir. I'm not saying
it's impossible. I'm a hard person to hide shit
from because I ask a lot of fucking questions.
You know what I'm saying? And it's not just that
I ask questions, but I'm listening to what you
say. I'm listening to what you don't say. You
know what I'm saying? Like, I don't ask questions
just to ask a question. Like, I'm asking a question
to see how you answer it. What are you omitting?
I mean, what are you copping to rather quickly?
So, again, I can be fooled just like anybody.
I'm not a super nigga. But it's not easy to do.
It's not easy to do. So if you're going to play
that role, if you're going to lie, if you're
going to be deceitful, I'm going to make you
earn that bread because. Like I said, I'm asking
questions, and if you answer a question, I'm
like, hey, well, that's not consistent with what
you said before. You know what I'm saying? Or,
you know, I've told many a chick. I've known
chicks for years, and she'll use a phrase the
first time, and I'll be like, that's the first
time you've ever said that. Why did you say that?
What was different about this conversation that
made you say that right now that didn't happen
in the previous two years that I've known? So
I'm always going to question shit. Bitch, stay
away from the dictionary, bitch. Yeah, I'm...
Put this as far as that. Do not better your education.
You stay simple when you talk to me, Mitch. That
name got my daddy's blood on it. Come right here
with the big -ass words. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
I had to throw that in there. So to answer Socrates'
question, I'm not saying that it's not impossible.
I mean, I can have game run on me. It's not the
first time. But if you do run game on me, you
are going to be really, really, really good with
it. Like, I'm not going to make it easy. I'm
not going to make it easy on you. So the really,
really good couple ran game on you. I haven't
met them yet. I'm not saying it's never going
to happen. It hasn't happened yet. In a fictional
world. I'll give you an example. This is not
lifestyle. I'll give you an example. It's not
like you thought of some galaxy far, far away.
Shit. Yeah. No, I'll tell you something, but
this is only reason why it's not, is this not
lifestyle. So I've never told this story too.
So, um, there was this, uh, Mr. Mocha slipping.
You got a sound effect for everything else. But
you ain't got a sound effect for no new drop?
He just said he ain't never said that before.
Hey, look, I'm too busy getting nervous seeing
which direction this is going in. I don't know.
Like, wait. I'm sorry. Hold on. Let me find something.
I got nothing yet. I got one, I think. Let me
see. Some Funkmaster Flex new drop? Some new
hotness? Something? Hey, look. I got one. I got
one. What you got? I don't know if it's appropriate.
We don't do appropriate here. Y 'all act like
y 'all ain't never listened to a mixtape. Let
me tell y 'all a new story. That's all I got.
So, it was, now that I think about it, oh, there
you go. Now I think about it, I'm like, Yeah.
Okay. So I wasn't lifestyle. I wasn't calling
myself a boy. But I met this couple at my job,
you know, say the job. And the husband, now that
I think about it, was always like, yeah, man,
you know. I was promoting in a nightclub. And
he was like a video. He was one of the first
VJs that I met. So he was like trying to teach
me VJing. And he was like. My wife really thinks
you're cool and she can go get some graphics
and she can do this and she can do that. Long
story short, she ends up falling for me. And
I was like, I didn't do anything with her. I
was like, look, like, you know, I don't want
to get involved in this kind of stuff. Right.
So she was just like, but it's your charm. And
I've never been with a black man. And, you know,
I don't, you know, you know, my husband don't
talk to me the way you do all this kind of stuff.
It caused a lot of problems, a lot of problems
between the two. You know what they did? They
up and moved because of me. And I never told
that story because I felt really shitty about
that. And I always think, well, what did I do
wrong? They upended their whole fucking life,
moved to Arizona because, you know, the job I
had had jobs in Arizona and they had jobs in
New York. And I was in Calgary. So my point is.
They were married for a long time. I was a single
guy. I didn't have no skills. I was just in a
different, I was just a completely different
experience for her. And she had enough gum shit.
She had enough ethics in her relationship to
be like, if I stay around this dude, it's going
to be some problems. So we need to get away from
him. And I'm like, I'm not the only brother in
that town where I live. It's about 40 % black.
So I'm like, I don't know what you're talking
about. What do you mean? But she took it on herself,
and they both took it upon herself to leave town.
My plan is, like, you guys got to vow. You guys
made commitments some on, you know, till death,
right? Till death do us part. We want to do this.
My thing is, how am I responsible? Because I'm
mastering my craft. Well, you're wearing your
lifestyle then, so that's not even... But I was
mastering my craft. My point is, I'm mastering
my craft. It ain't my fault if what I'm doing
disrupts your life. It's not my fault. I didn't
make no commitments to anybody. How is it my
fault? I'm just trying to be the best bull I
can be. I'm trying to be the bulliest bull in
that book. Based on what you just explained to
me. Was it instantaneous? Like, was it one day
she was cool and the next day she was, or were
you just like, nah, I'm not seeing what I'm seeing.
Nah, she don't really mean that. Like, was there
some denial on your part where it's like. Yeah,
yeah, I did. I did. Yeah, yeah. Okay. That's
where it comes in because as an ethical bull,
you don't dismiss those signs. Right. Yeah, you
got those signs head on. Like, oh, okay. I see
what you're doing. Nah, we're going to nip this
shit here in the bud right now. But what if I
try to nip it, and then she's like, nah, you
don't want it. What if I say, nah, man, we ain't
doing this. She can't rape you. Trust me, you're
going to take it away eventually. Eventually,
they're going to go look elsewhere. Now, that
can take a long time, but you can't wait. It
can take a while. Yeah, but it'll happen. Listen,
if you're doing it, here's the thing. I'm not
saying you can't throw your marriage away. I
can't control you throwing your marriage away.
What I can control is you ain't going to throw
it away for me. You know what I'm saying? Like,
I can remove myself from the equation. If I got
to ghost you, if I got to ignore you, whatever
the fuck I got to do. I can remove myself from
the equation. It's late at night, and I'm sitting
home horny, and I see that text message. It's
up to me if I want to respond to that text message
or not. That is true, but they can also get crazy
and foolish and start, like I said, coming to
your job. I feel like a fucker. I know, but I'm
just saying how that can get. You know how that
can look. You know what I'm saying? Somebody
knocking on your door at 3, 3 o 'clock in the
morning. You just came from the club with a chick,
and they out there banging on your doggone door.
I know you in there. I know you in there. You
know what I'm saying? That's not a good look.
I understand what you're saying. Yeah, I'm still
not going to do such and such. But the things
that can happen before she finally says, you
know, forget it. If she ever says forget it.
But my thing is, like, the responsibility, I
mean, either, maybe I'm a scumbag, okay, because
it's already established. Yeah, clearly, because
someone else is, it's like, if my wife comes
home and says, hey, there's some dude at my job
who's falling in love with me and he won't get
out of my face. I'm not going to be like, hey,
that's your fault. You don't bear any responsibility
for another person's emotional state. Now, I
do agree with Mike. So I was using that to compare
to Socrates' situation with the lady because
he said he felt guilty that they moved out of
state. I felt bad. I mean, you didn't put no
dick on her. You know, wait. According to you,
you didn't give her the meat. You know what I'm
saying? You might have gave it to her. I'm fucking
with you. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with
you. In that context, in that context, but in
the lifestyle context, you know, here's the thing
that I advocate for. I believe that everyone
should have the freedom. To take responsibility
for their emotional state. If the second that
I have the ability to look at somebody in their
face and go, hey. You're not emotionally stable
enough to be in this lifestyle or situation.
Now, I can say you're starting to make me feel
an uncomfortable attachment, at which point I'm
a pull away from that. To me, I would definitely
do. However. When I'm looking at some bull, because
I love to say it's only the inexperienced guys,
but over the last two years, I've had multiple
conversations about multiple bulls who are experienced
and are known in the lifestyle who formed an
unnatural attachment to a wife within a couple,
her and him both, being what I would consider...
I would and the husband would definitely consider
unethical. Do I think that he is doing some scumbag
shit? Absolutely. Do I agree with it? I do not.
Do I think that the husband should be mad at
him and not the wife? Because the husband is
telling me, you know, that fucker, he did this,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, he knew
how she feel. And so now he's not mad at her.
He's mad at the dude. I don't believe that any
person outside of relationship should have that
much emotional responsibility because either
you're strong enough to be in the lifestyle emotionally
or you are not. And if you're not strong enough
to be in a lifestyle, anybody can take you or
any situation can take you. It may not even be
the bull. The bull may just be the catalyst.
So am I going to thank you? Thank you. Am I going
to tell somebody else to take emotional responsibility
or accountability for someone else's actions?
No, I'm not going to do that just because I wouldn't
do it. I'm not going to blame it. And if some
someday some dude came around and my wife decided
she'd rather be with him, it would break my heart.
But. I can't look at him as the bad guy because
he didn't break a vow. I got a heart. Hey, I
got a heart for that one. God damn it. That's
my soft spot. So, hey, look, fella, we in deep
on this. We like two and a half hours in. You
got to do this in like two, three parts. Yeah,
we have. Y 'all eating up my memory card. Yeah,
we almost three hours into this one, man. I think
we forgot that we was recording. I can say that.
I forgot that we was recording. Hey, hey, I was
online. I had to go online while we was talking
to order an SD card because y 'all blew mine
all the way up. I ran out of space. Yeah, it
was like an eight -mile stretch. Don't worry,
I'm still rolling. I'm still rolling. I got the
big boy card over here for y 'all. Don't worry
about it. Hey, no. No, no. No, Brian is super
dick. Hey, I can't take that mantle. I can't
take that mantle. Listen, hey, I done had some
crazy situations. You can't run from your destiny.
You can't run from your destiny. Hey, look. Hey,
look. Hey, he had two chicks try to get him knocked
off. On two different installations. Uh -uh.
He the winner. He is the winner. I mean, I'd
have had a chick tossing lawn chairs around in
my front yard, but that was just between me,
her, and my neighbors. You know what I'm saying?
All right, fellas. Hey, let's wrap this thing
up. We'll do a sound off on Mr. Mocha from the
Old Faces podcast. And for me, this segment will
be on our cutting board episode, which we're
probably going to wind up breaking up into three
parts. Gentlemen. Hey, man, this has been real.
I think this is the first time that all the brothers.
have been, you know, together in a long time.
And I'm looking forward to continuing this because
this is something we can talk about damn near
all night. Really. I can't speak for y 'all,
but for me and Mr. Mocha, this is a Wednesday.
Oh, yeah, yeah. It's like work. Yeah, I know
it is. I know it is. I know it is. It's indeed
been a pleasure sitting here just listening,
you know, to the three of you guys go at it and
then, you know, cutting in when I can. But definitely,
though, we're going to have to continue this
another time. And I'm really looking forward
to it. No, absolutely. Absolutely. Mr. Mocha
noticed is one of the big reasons why I love
him. We can go in each other's neck for two hours.
And, you know, sometimes we agree. Most of the
times we agree to disagree. But I always love
the fact that he challenges me. I mean, and it's
like, okay, motherfucker, let me see how much
you believe that shit you're saying. Ditto, ditto.
Yeah, I like to think I do the same to him. Absolutely.
So it's that whole iron sharpens iron thing.
So, you know, I'll release this on some version
of the China shop. And so we'll make sure we
catch people from all sides. No matter who they
listen to, they're going to hear this. It's a
long time. I don't know if they're going to stick
around for the whole thing. Hopefully they will.
Like I said, I think it got to a point where
we forgot we were recording. Yeah. Just having
fun. And we need to fellowship more often just
like this. You know what I mean? Regardless if
we are recording or not. Indeed. Well, Mr. Mocha
won't let you talk for more than 10 minutes before.
He says we need to be recording this. Correction.
As soon as there's the slightest bit of disagreement,
it's like, okay, we need to be recording this.
That's because we didn't talk for five hours,
man. We was like, hey, we probably should have
recorded that. Yeah, no, no. We definitely let
some gold slip out of the way by just being lazy.
But no, sometimes, like B says, sometimes I just
want to talk. Yeah, I just want to close it,
man. We don't always have to record, but it's
always fun when we do. Until next time, fellas.
I mean, it's your podcast, so you got to be the
one to sign off. Socrates ain't signed off yet.
Socrates, what you got to say, baby? Yeah, yeah.
Socrates signing off. And I think what we'll
do as the producer, I think we're going to put
this on the bull table, but I'm not sure if that's
going to be the title of it. But that will be
on that segment as well. So, yeah, it's a pleasure
as well to be in the presence of these masters,
man, and me to sit under y 'all's feet. And I
want to say this, too. You're at the table, bro.
You're at the table. Yeah, well, that's right.
Yeah, that's true. To be at this table and to
have an input with these brothers is just a pleasure.
I'm still working on mastery. I can't claim master
yet. Yeah, me either. But, you know. All right,
man. Okay, well. Brian was the only quiet one,
so we'll say. Hey, Brian didn't jump and say,
you don't call me that. Hey. He is the older
brother. Yeah. Brian is big, bro. Hey, he a vet.
He can't let his younger brothers know that he
don't know everything. Hey, look, I don't know.
You know what I'm saying? I don't know everything,
man. That's why we need the fellowship like this
more often. You know what I'm saying? So we can
come together and put all these great minds together
and all these thoughts together and stuff, man.
Because here again, we're all at a point in our
lives now where we need to be giving back. We
need to be teaching. These younger ones. You
know, they're talking about younger ones. And
even the older ones who just don't have the experience
yet. You know what I mean? They're just getting
into it. We need to be teaching. We need to be
teaching. All right? This is the world that we
live in. This is the world that we live and love
24 -7. And, you know, we ain't going nowhere.
This is who we are. And that's what younger cats
can learn. You can bust balls and learn at the
same time. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. That's
why I love this. Because I know you two motherfuckers
are going to go at it. I know y 'all are going
to go at it. We live for this shit. I know y
'all are going to go at it. You know what I'm
saying? We live for this shit. And I can't wait
until Pagan is on the other line also. You know?
Good luck tracking him down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You done said that. He must be hard to get. He
must be hard to track. That's Pagan, a .k .a.
Milkbox. It's like he's on the side of the milkbox.
There you go. There you go. We're going to fish
him up. There you go. Hey, once he hears this
one, he's going to show up. He's going to be
mad he missed this one. He's going to be mad
he missed this one. All right, fellas. Good deal.
Love y 'all. Well, hey, man. It's been a pleasure.
It has really been a pleasure. And as I usually
say on our podcast, you know, for the brothers.
of the brotherhood out there uh good night and
for all those sexy hot wives good morning That's
that boom baby girl shit I was talking about
right there. He wanted to close up by wetting
up some panties real quick. Let me wet some panties
before you wrap this thing up. You know the context
of what he means when he says good morning. That
means I'm laying behind you and I'm just going
to reach over and just say good morning in your
ear. You know me, brother. That's that ism as
we call it down in the South. You know what I'm
saying? That's that ism. But ladies and gentlemen,
we hope you have enjoyed this podcast for the
night, this episode for the night. And here again,
we will talk to you soon. Everybody, good night.
Good night, fellas. All right, kill it. Three
hours of my night talking to y 'all, motherfucker.
This brotherhood's for men whose stories need
to get told. Say it loud. Oh, say it loud. This
is who we are. Old, confident, and seductive.
Dominant and classy. We stand tall, never fall.
Bull brotherhood. Luxury untold.