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mature themes, and candid conversations about

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comfortable with Frank talk about sex, kink dominance

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or emotional power this probably isn't the show

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for you but if you're ready to step into your

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masculine edge and embrace a lifestyle that demands

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mastery welcome to the brotherhood welcome to

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the bull brotherhood podcast where we talk power

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pleasure and the art of dominance in ethical

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non -monogamy this is not your average lifestyle

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podcast this is for men who lead men who master,

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and men who leave a lasting impression. If you're

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here, you're not just curious. You're ready to

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elevate. So to all the bulls, hot wives, stags,

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and open -minded explorers, we see you. Let's

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go. What do you mean you get nothing? I mean,

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elaborate more. Well, in other words, I'm being

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funny. I'm being funny. I know I need to, one,

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I look like I drink beer. I don't. I mean, I've

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been working on that. Two, I know I need to get

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better pictures on my profile. I think the words

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are better. So taking all that stuff away, yeah,

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like Mr. Mocha said, you know, we have to get

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to where we're at. I had to sit under y 'all

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and listen. I had to read books. I had to go

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to the gym. I had to do this. I had to do that.

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And I had to work hard to get to the point of

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being in front of a woman. And then I got to

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have some skills on wooing her, on spitting game

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in her ear. And now I got to spit game to the

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bull. I mean, to the cuck. I got to, you know,

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interact with him. That's a challenge, right?

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Those are skills that I have to develop on. It's

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hard work. Now, a lot of these couples, they

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just show up. I show up. I put my profile on

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there. Like you said, the profile halftime ain't

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right. You ain't got to say some stuff can be

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foul, and they're saying they can have all kinds

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of stupid rules, and they will get bombarded

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with options. So, yes, your job is to sifting

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through options. My job is to get to options

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in the first place. Equal struggle. Apples and

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oranges, yes. But we still got the same fruit,

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baby. We still dealing with the same fruit. We

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got to struggle to get there. This is what I

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hear, and I'd be curious to get Brian's take

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on this. It sounds like you mad at the game.

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No, not at all. Like the game is the game. You

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know what I'm saying? What it sounds like is

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you making excuses for them. That's what I'm

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saying. We all got to struggle. The game is the

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game. You know, I don't know your business. Quit

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complaining. I don't see it as a struggle. I

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don't see it as a struggle. Because it's always

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been like that. Like, when you learn the rules

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of the game, the women are always going to have

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– anything that has anything to do with dudes

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getting at women, however you want to put it,

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they always are in a position where dudes are

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coming to them. So it's always been about trying

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to figure out, okay, what can I do to either

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put myself in front of them or to do something

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where they're going to notice me. and I'm going

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to get the shine. But that's always been the

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game. Yeah, but it's the same thing for women,

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though. It's always been the game for women.

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So just shut up. Like, okay, well, you know,

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you're a 13 -year -old girl. My daughter was

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developing way sooner than I wanted to. And at

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13, her inbox is full. Motherfucker. Like, you

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know what I'm saying? She had to deal with that.

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So now my daughter's 27. My daughter look like

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a damn model. I don't even like showing people

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my picture of my daughter. But she got to deal

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with this and shut up. Okay, the coffee got to

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chill. You got to go down in that basement, dig

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through all them bad clothes to find you some.

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I used to do that. I used to be one of them dancers.

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We got to have some new sharp stuff. We ain't

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got no money. Let's go to the thrift store and

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see if we can make that shit hot. I know what

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it is. Like you said, it's my struggle to chase

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a woman. What's your struggle to shift? And you

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got a partner to shift. Matter of fact, you got

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a dude looking for you while you talking about,

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I don't do all that. He looks for all that. He

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sifts through them and then put them on my face

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and then it cuts. We'll do all the work. And

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she just say, yay or nay. Now y 'all complaining.

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No, bro. No, I'm not. I don't have a problem

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with the game. You're the one saying that they're

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struggling because they got to sit through all

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this bullshit. Well, I'm struggling to get there.

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And when I get there, I got to sit through some

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bullshit too. Have you ever had to look for something

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like in your house? Like when something is lost,

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it's a pain in the ass trying to find it. When

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you got to go through a lot of shit. To find

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one thing. That's a different type of search

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than just trying to find one thing. Like if I

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give you a deck of cards and I say, okay, find

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me the Jack of Clubs and I throw them all over

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the place, that's a lot of fucking work. As opposed

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to just trying to find a Jack of Clubs that's

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somewhere. Like sipping through a lot of stuff,

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for me, at least. is inherently more difficult

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as opposed to just trying to find that one thing

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that you're looking for. So yes, there's a difference,

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but I don't, but you use the word chasing. I

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never used the word chase. I say pursue now to

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some people, they might be the same thing to

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me. They're different. Chasing means you're just

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kind of like just blindly going after something.

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Whereas when you're pursuing something, You've

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identified what you want and you're pursuing

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it. If it gets away, you back off and you identify

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what you want and you pursue that. And you're

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able to recognize more quickly when somebody

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doesn't want you pursuing them. I tell women

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that all the time. Like, I don't mind pursuing

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you. But if you're giving me the vibe that you

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don't want me to pursue you, I'll stop cold in

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my tracks. Like, I'm not trying to chase you.

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And so it becomes, you know, being able to identify

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what you're looking for and being able, like

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I've said, oftentimes when I use the gunman analogy,

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what is your approach? Are you a shotgun? Are

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you an AR? Or are you a sniper? I'm a sniper.

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Shotgun, you pull the trigger, pellet spray out.

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You're going to hit something. AR, you hold the

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trigger down, move the chip back and forth. You

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ain't even got to have good aim. You're going

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to hit something. I don't favor those approaches.

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I want to line up what I'm looking for, get it

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in my scope, squeeze. I'm either going to hit

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it or I'm going to miss it. But if I hit it,

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I'm hitting exactly what I want. And that's just

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the difference in philosophy. I'm not here to

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say which is right or wrong. I'm just saying

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what works for me. So that is your definition

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of what we pursue, right? Yeah. Whatever we pursue,

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line it up, make sure you got a tight shot group.

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That's what you want. One shot, one kill, correct?

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Yeah, and if I miss... Are you going to kill

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it or are you going to be off to the left or

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off to the right? So that's pursuit. And chase

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would be just what you said. You got a shotgun,

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sawed off, whatever. We all know what a scattergun

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is, okay? We're going to spray and... Somebody's

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going to get hit. Somebody's going to get hit.

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Okay, that's chase and that's pursuit. We got

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to have the best aim. Let me... Well, okay, so...

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Nephew, you're saying that you do the same thing.

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You have to chase, pursue philosophy, or you

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just chase. Hey, man. I'm a master at arms, baby.

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When I'm in splash, I'm on that AR -15 shit.

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Okay, but hold on. Okay, let me say this. Hey,

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let me say this. Let me say this. Let me say

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this. Online, I'm a sniper, and at the club,

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I use a shotgun. Now, I'll kill you with all

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of them. I might fuck around and throw a grenade

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in the room. Take splash. Take splash away. Take

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splash out of this. All right, let's take splash

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out of it. So let's just leave, let's just leave,

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you know, the real world now. You know what I'm

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saying? Take Splash out of it. I don't even want

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to hear nothing about Splash because, hell, I

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can be 50 million different things at Splash.

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You know what I mean? From Special Forces to

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just infantry or to downright combo. You know

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what I'm saying? Without communications. So I

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don't need, you don't need nothing at Splash

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to me. You don't need nothing. All right. But

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I'm talking about now just the real world now,

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just the life itself. You know what I'm saying?

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How do you how do you pursue in the life or like

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what you do in the life? Just on a regular. OK.

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Yeah. I'm definitely a woman. OK. OK. I'm definitely

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the sniper paradigm. I agree with that. But can

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I go back to his analogy? He said, you know,

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I agree. You know, you have some in your house.

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And I'm the worst one. I'm at this age where

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I be forgetting where I put shit. So I get that.

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But let me ask you a question, Michael. Would

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you rather try to find $100 in your house or

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go make one? Well, if I know the $100 is there

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somewhere. But you got to go get it, though.

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You got to go earn that shit. You got to go make

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$100. Now, me and you know you have a profession

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where you know how to go make you $100 in one

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night. But that's hard work. You have to go make

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it. As opposed to, well, I can leave the house

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and tell my wife to look for this shit. I know

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it's in the closet somewhere. You know what I

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mean? That's what I'm saying. There's a difference

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between I got to go get this couple and convince

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both of them that I'm the right man. As opposed

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to, like you said, oh, man, I recently lost somebody.

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She had decided she was going to take a break.

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And then she came to us for advice. Well, I helped

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guide her back into, come on, you know, it's

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all good. Now, maybe I'm selfish, but I helped

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guide her back to, you know, we can still do

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the things, you know what I mean? You know, I

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might help you out with your troubles, you know?

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That's different. I lost her, and I got her back.

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You used a word. You said convince. When you

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say convince, I'm going to tell you. What I hear,

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brothers, you know, I'm not used to Mr. Mocha

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being this quiet this long. Is he still on the

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line? I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here.

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I'm here. I'm here. Listen, y 'all circling all

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around all kinds of stuff. And I'm waiting for

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it. Because. I'm trying to understand, you know,

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you and I are great debate and Socrates is new

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here. And Mike, you're a nice guy for trying

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to go easy. Okay. I'm staying back because I'm

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throwing rocks at both y 'all when it's my turn.

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So just understand that. So, you know, I don't

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give breaks. So, all right. So what I, in the

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beginning. What I what I gather, the thing that

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we always discuss is the difference between the

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challenges that. Couples have cuckold and hot

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wife couples have and compared to both. OK, and

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one of those things, many of those things come

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to who's responsible, who has a hard time. So

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we've covered one thing, you know, Mike has agreed

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that couples have more options. But he also,

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like I said, Mike's the person that feels like

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if you're a billionaire and you have a hard time

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spending money, you know, the poor people can

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only afford a little bit of shit. Their life

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is better. The peasants, because they have so

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little shit to worry about, they should stop

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complaining with all the goddamn options they

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got. Why are you complaining? You got to go to

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the grocery store and have the option to buy

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anything. If you broke, you can only get the

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motherfucking eggs. So we understand that Mike

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C has that. when it comes to couples. Hey, no,

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it's not. No, it is not. And I say this because

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right now I straddle both sides of that fence

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where my wife and I are thoroughly entertained

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oftentimes going through the messages that we

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get as a couple as opposed to the stuff that

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I get, the stuff that I see on my side. What's

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interesting is No guy can tell you that. Let

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me not say that. Most guys, if you put a bunch

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of dudes in a room and I've done that, we've

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done this before where we sat down and we were

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looking at our our SDC, our SLS and our Cassidy,

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the type of messages we have and the differences

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in our profiles. And what's always interesting

00:14:25.240 --> 00:14:30.460
is seeing how. Four of us will reach out to the

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same couple with completely different types of

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profile and we still don't get any responses.

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Right. And that goes to show that, like you said,

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when you have the option to walk into a grocery

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store or you have an option of going downstairs

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and sifting through a shit ton of stuff, knowing

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that what you're what you want is down there.

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You can be less selective. You can take your

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time. And I'm sure this has happened to you,

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Mike. How many times in the time you've been

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in the lifestyle that you've talked to a couple,

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a couple reach out to you on a site, you start

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talking, and then three months later at 2 o 'clock

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in the morning, they message you, hey, what are

00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:22.940
you doing? Telling you to go fuck yourself. That's

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what I'm doing. I don't reply like that. But

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we've had that happen. But now for me, and I

00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:34.919
don't know many guys dumb enough to have a brief

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conversation with somebody and then message them

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months later, hey, you want to fuck? There are

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a lot of differences in the behavior. So I think

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that we all have our challenges. But do I think

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that a couple has it harder? No. No way, shape

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or form do couples have it harder. The only thing,

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in my opinion, within the lifestyle that makes

00:16:00.940 --> 00:16:04.179
it harder for couples is when the two of them

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are not on the same page. All right. Me and my

00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:10.080
wife, when we hunt, we like fucking velociraptors.

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We hunt together. We're in sync and we go after

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what we're looking for. If she's looking for

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a thing on there, we're partners in it. So it's

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much easier with her and I. coordinating because

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there's guys on profiles who she'll be like,

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oh, I don't like the way this guy said that.

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And I read and I'm like, well, you know something?

00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:35.659
This is what I got out of that. But you got this

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out of that. I'm a dude. Why don't you try this

00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:42.820
out? And then she engages the guy and all of

00:16:42.820 --> 00:16:45.039
a sudden, oh, I'm glad I did because we were

00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:49.440
a team on it. Now, you take a couple. who the

00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:52.220
husband has one desire and the wife has another

00:16:52.220 --> 00:16:55.500
desire and the husband is saying, OK, honey,

00:16:55.580 --> 00:16:57.659
I'll do what you want. And the wife is trying

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to make sure that she does what he wants so she

00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:02.559
can get some dick. They're not on the same page.

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So now that type of couple will absolutely positively

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have it harder than a solitary hunter. Because

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if I'm at war with the person who I'm in the

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two seater with. Then yeah, it's going to be

00:17:18.500 --> 00:17:19.680
harder than the motherfucker that's in the car

00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:22.559
by itself. But if me and my partner were on the

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same page, we have it a thousand times easier

00:17:25.380 --> 00:17:28.539
than a single dude. Tell me where I'm wrong.

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I'll wait. We'll just agree to disagree. Oh,

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you're going to just let all that go? You let

00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:39.539
all that slide. All that. You ain't no comment

00:17:39.539 --> 00:17:43.680
on none of that. You just tapping out. I'm happy

00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:45.799
to know that I just tapped Mike C out that easy.

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That's the first time. I might end the call right

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now. I was waiting on a reply from Mike. I think

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you just hit a grand slam on that, the way you

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put it. And here again, I have to, I, I was visualizing

00:18:08.420 --> 00:18:11.319
what you were saying as far as like, you know

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what I mean? The couple being totally and completely

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on sync. And that's something that I think that's

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something that we have talked about before. Maybe

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in one of our podcasts, I'm already wrong. You

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know what I mean? About that couple being totally

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100 % on, you know, on point with one another.

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And he's, uh, you're absolutely right. If you're

00:18:34.170 --> 00:18:39.430
in that foxhole and you're fighting each other

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in that foxhole and trying to make the other

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one be correct, then you ain't going to win that

00:18:46.650 --> 00:18:48.650
war. You're not going to win that war. Something's

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going to happen. Kudos. Kudos to you on that.

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Here's the caveat to that, though. That's what

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I was waiting for. That's what I'm talking about.

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Let's go. Let's go. You have, okay, we've had

00:19:05.740 --> 00:19:09.319
these conversations before. And we've all known

00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:10.859
those dudes. Hell, some of y 'all might have

00:19:10.859 --> 00:19:15.720
even been those dudes. Where I've had friends

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that were, quote unquote, the ladies' men. And

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I'd watch them in their approach. If they meet

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10 chicks, they want all 10. Like if they identified

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them, they want all of them. So what they're

00:19:28.339 --> 00:19:30.559
going to do, they're not going to be up front.

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They're going to wait to see what girl number

00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:34.599
one wants. They're going to tell her what she

00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:36.539
want to hear. They're going to wait to see what

00:19:36.539 --> 00:19:38.660
girl number two wants. They're going to tell

00:19:38.660 --> 00:19:41.160
her what she want to hear. And I watched them

00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:42.680
do that approach. And they would get all 10.

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But there would be all kinds of drama associated

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with them because they told each of those chicks

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a different story. Can I say one thing? Can I

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say one thing before you continue? Let me finish

00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:57.880
this analogy. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. All

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right. Go ahead. Finish this analogy there. And

00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:03.339
sitting back and watching that approach and seeing

00:20:03.339 --> 00:20:07.160
all the drama that came with it, it's like, yeah,

00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:10.799
you got all 10, but damn, was it worth it? I

00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:12.740
took the approach of, all right, well, let me

00:20:12.740 --> 00:20:15.119
just be honest with what I'm looking for. You

00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:17.079
know what I'm saying? Now, I didn't get all 10.

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I might only get three. But then I would go to

00:20:20.500 --> 00:20:22.660
another 10, do the same thing, and I might get

00:20:22.660 --> 00:20:25.640
three more. And then I go to another 10, say

00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:28.200
the same thing, be honest, and then I might get

00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:30.799
four out of them. So now I got my 10, you got

00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:32.740
your 10. Now you only went through 10 to get

00:20:32.740 --> 00:20:34.539
your 10, but you're dealing with a whole bunch

00:20:34.539 --> 00:20:37.319
of headaches. Whereas I went through, I had to

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go through 30 to get my 10, but I ain't playing

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no games with nobody. So I say that to say, when

00:20:45.460 --> 00:20:46.920
these couples are out here looking for these

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guys, we know a lot of guys, they'll say what

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they need to say. They'll lie. They'll pretend.

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They'll play a role. When really all they want

00:21:01.769 --> 00:21:06.609
is one thing, but a couple more. Ain't that what

00:21:06.609 --> 00:21:10.029
you said you did earlier? Exactly. If they're

00:21:10.029 --> 00:21:12.829
only looking for notches on the belt. If they're

00:21:12.829 --> 00:21:14.329
only looking for notches on the belt, then yeah.

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You know, yeah. That's that buster that we talk

00:21:19.990 --> 00:21:22.490
about. What I talk about. Some of them busters

00:21:22.490 --> 00:21:25.269
got silver tongues, though. But Mike, ain't that

00:21:25.269 --> 00:21:29.450
what you said you did earlier? With what? Because

00:21:29.450 --> 00:21:33.950
you just said you get a guy who's saying different

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things to different women to get what they want.

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But now in the beginning of this thing, you said

00:21:40.630 --> 00:21:43.670
that you have something in your bag for every

00:21:43.670 --> 00:21:47.210
couple. Yeah. So that's saying different things.

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Hey, what's the difference? There's a big difference.

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Between somebody that's adaptable versus somebody

00:21:54.390 --> 00:21:58.470
that's lying. But why can't a person be adaptable?

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So if we take that same thing, what about the

00:22:01.789 --> 00:22:05.690
third person? You got the scumbag who's lying.

00:22:05.910 --> 00:22:08.910
Then you have the adaptable person who can still

00:22:08.910 --> 00:22:11.809
go and talk to all 10 of them. And then you have

00:22:11.809 --> 00:22:16.029
the one who only has the ability to talk to a

00:22:16.029 --> 00:22:18.490
specific type. Now you've established earlier

00:22:18.490 --> 00:22:20.230
that you're not going to, you don't have to talk

00:22:20.230 --> 00:22:21.890
to specific type because you have something in

00:22:21.890 --> 00:22:23.890
your bag for everybody. You know what I'm saying?

00:22:24.029 --> 00:22:28.750
But as a dude and, and the ball busting in now,

00:22:28.849 --> 00:22:32.089
that is a male thing because we are hunters.

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Men are going to adapt. We will always in the

00:22:36.289 --> 00:22:40.089
lifestyle as there are a very small percentage

00:22:40.089 --> 00:22:43.930
of dudes in the lifestyle seeks out one type

00:22:43.930 --> 00:22:48.089
of couple because we've learned. that the lifestyle

00:22:48.089 --> 00:22:51.950
and lifestyle relationships are all unique as

00:22:51.950 --> 00:22:55.710
a fingerprint. So there really is not a one -size

00:22:55.710 --> 00:22:59.549
-fits -all. As a guy, you have to be much more

00:22:59.549 --> 00:23:02.829
adaptable because you're going to have way fewer

00:23:02.829 --> 00:23:05.690
options. But there's a difference between being

00:23:05.690 --> 00:23:08.250
adaptable and being a liar. No, no, of course.

00:23:08.349 --> 00:23:10.650
I said I was busting your balls about that. That

00:23:10.650 --> 00:23:18.119
was a ball bust. That was a setup. So I told

00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:22.680
you I'm throwing rocks. But but as a dude in

00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:25.200
the lifestyle, because we have a lot less options,

00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:27.819
because when you think about let's break it down

00:23:27.819 --> 00:23:35.960
to how the behaviors are. A couple. You know,

00:23:35.960 --> 00:23:40.279
in the the overflow of options category, you

00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:44.099
have the single female. Her options, her options

00:23:44.099 --> 00:23:46.519
to get what she want within the lifestyle is

00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:52.200
her cup runneth over. OK, she has to do the same

00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:54.420
thing that the couples do and shift through shit.

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Then you have the couples. Now. In general, and

00:24:02.619 --> 00:24:05.220
I'm going to concede to you this, this fact,

00:24:05.259 --> 00:24:12.470
this point. In general. Most couples. Have it

00:24:12.470 --> 00:24:17.329
harder than most single men because most couples

00:24:17.329 --> 00:24:22.630
within the lifestyle, just like in vanilla world,

00:24:22.769 --> 00:24:26.130
are not 100 % honest with each other about their

00:24:26.130 --> 00:24:29.890
desires and their needs going into it. Most couples,

00:24:30.009 --> 00:24:34.950
as they begin to grow, oftentimes they grow in

00:24:34.950 --> 00:24:37.109
different directions and it takes them years.

00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:40.519
To feel comfortable enough to come back and say,

00:24:40.619 --> 00:24:43.160
hey, honey, I really am into this. And she's

00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:45.319
like, oh, shit, I'm really into this. And then

00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:48.839
they start to converge together again. All right.

00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:55.660
Now. If we're talking about quality couples who

00:24:55.660 --> 00:24:58.900
are on the same page with each other, who are

00:24:58.900 --> 00:25:03.759
working as a team. Their life is much, much easier.

00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:06.480
than out of a single male because that couple

00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:10.920
still have more options. And that couple, once

00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:13.759
they mature a little bit, they start to understand

00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:16.960
that a lot of that shit in the basement that

00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:19.640
they thought was shit was not actually shit.

00:25:19.779 --> 00:25:23.140
They just didn't look close enough because they'll

00:25:23.140 --> 00:25:26.319
start learning that when they start interacting

00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:30.099
with more guys and realize that as a dude, anything

00:25:30.099 --> 00:25:33.019
that I say to get one couple, is going to turn

00:25:33.019 --> 00:25:36.539
off 10 more. So they start realizing when they

00:25:36.539 --> 00:25:39.079
get contacted by a guy that says, hey, how are

00:25:39.079 --> 00:25:43.019
you? That's because anything he says past, hey,

00:25:43.019 --> 00:25:46.000
how are you? One of you are going to have a problem

00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:48.660
with it. Oh, he's not smart enough or he's not

00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:51.359
this. Hi, how are you? It's just a way of him

00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:55.160
saying, hi, how are you today? And give you a

00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:57.500
given, making you look at his profile and say,

00:25:57.539 --> 00:26:00.220
I do or do not like them. And then the couple.

00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:03.200
Where there are two people get to kind of set

00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:06.720
the tone. And now because you and I, like you

00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:09.920
said, you have something in your bag and you're

00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:13.819
adaptable. Now I can adapt to the energy that

00:26:13.819 --> 00:26:18.339
they give me. So and that's just my standpoint.

00:26:18.619 --> 00:26:20.539
When you start looking at the difference between

00:26:20.539 --> 00:26:24.559
couples who are on the same page, couples who

00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:26.759
are on the same page and then couples who are

00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:29.519
on the same page with years of lifestyle experience.

00:26:31.019 --> 00:26:34.240
So let me ask you a question. Do you ever reach

00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:37.700
out to couples online? All the time. Is your

00:26:37.700 --> 00:26:39.980
first message ever? Hi, how are you? And that's

00:26:39.980 --> 00:26:45.259
it. It depends on what their profile says. If

00:26:45.259 --> 00:26:47.480
they got like a 300 page pro, like if they got

00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:51.079
a super long profile, you know, I will usually

00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:55.000
say, hi, how are you? My name is. I noticed your

00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:57.799
profile. Please take a look at my profile. If

00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:00.519
I'm the type of guy that. you and your wife would

00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:03.539
be interested in, please let me know. Because

00:27:03.539 --> 00:27:09.819
that's it. But now I've had somebody respond

00:27:09.819 --> 00:27:12.180
to me and say, if that's the best you can do,

00:27:12.299 --> 00:27:15.799
you're not the one for us. And I laugh at it.

00:27:15.819 --> 00:27:17.619
And I just say, thank you for your response.

00:27:17.940 --> 00:27:20.660
I never get angry. But now here's the thing.

00:27:22.740 --> 00:27:28.880
The arrogance. What was I supposed to say? I'm

00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:31.559
just greeting you. If I saw you out in the club,

00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:33.940
I wouldn't walk up to you and be like, hey, my

00:27:33.940 --> 00:27:37.759
name is Mr. Mocha. I am 47 years old. I'm 5 '8".

00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:41.359
I'm 230. I'm not 5 '8". Don't nobody tell me

00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:43.599
I'm not 5 '8", god damn it. But anyways, I wouldn't

00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:47.240
go through this whole monologue of the things

00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:51.900
that people expect you to say on a profile. I

00:27:51.900 --> 00:27:54.240
would like to have, you know, some interaction,

00:27:54.579 --> 00:27:59.539
but... A lot of inexperienced couples or or couples

00:27:59.539 --> 00:28:03.200
with too many options expect you to come forth,

00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:06.799
bear thy soul, and then them to get to review

00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:09.500
you and judge you and go, this person is not

00:28:09.500 --> 00:28:11.819
worthy based upon the way he or she was feeling

00:28:11.819 --> 00:28:14.980
that day. Now, those same people I will see out

00:28:14.980 --> 00:28:18.299
in public or see at an event and they'll walk

00:28:18.299 --> 00:28:20.380
up to me and say, hey, how are you? My name is.

00:28:21.019 --> 00:28:24.869
And. I was smiling inside. And once we started

00:28:24.869 --> 00:28:27.470
talking, oh, yeah, I reached out to you on on

00:28:27.470 --> 00:28:29.849
this platform. Oh, really? Blah, blah, blah.

00:28:29.890 --> 00:28:31.690
Oh, well, we have so many guys reaching out to

00:28:31.690 --> 00:28:35.269
us. And so how many other guys have reached out

00:28:35.269 --> 00:28:37.769
to you who are decent guys? And those are the

00:28:37.769 --> 00:28:39.890
same couples who usually complain because they

00:28:39.890 --> 00:28:42.789
went for the guy who's who buried his soul on

00:28:42.789 --> 00:28:46.009
his profile, who is probably a super emotional

00:28:46.009 --> 00:28:47.990
dude. No offense to the guys who bury their soul

00:28:47.990 --> 00:28:50.740
on their profile. You know. And they're like,

00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:53.200
oh, it didn't work. Well, that's because I was

00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:57.019
trying to have a conversation, you know, like

00:28:57.019 --> 00:28:58.980
I would if I already meet you in a regular place.

00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:03.859
So it's very to me, it's a lot harder for a dude.

00:29:04.859 --> 00:29:07.359
And I don't I'm not trying to make it seem like

00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:10.759
I have a hard time getting because I don't, you

00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:14.180
know. But it doesn't count because I've been

00:29:14.180 --> 00:29:16.640
in lifestyle for X amount of years and we are

00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:19.319
party promoters and we do all this. So I think

00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:21.359
of if it's challenging for me with all of my

00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:24.559
experience, what about all these other guys?

00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:27.680
You know, how many guys have the same couples

00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:30.480
that complain they can't find a good guy and

00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:33.759
the ones who have been feeding Mike this Kool

00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:38.539
-Aid, force feeding him the Kool -Aid, they be

00:29:38.539 --> 00:29:41.670
complaining and they shit on. A whole group of

00:29:41.670 --> 00:29:44.170
guys who would have been great guys and who would

00:29:44.170 --> 00:29:46.650
have been worthy had they not had this holier

00:29:46.650 --> 00:29:50.509
than thou. You know, you have to worship my wife

00:29:50.509 --> 00:29:53.730
because I have one attitude. I don't have that

00:29:53.730 --> 00:29:58.029
attitude. I'm humble when people reach out to

00:29:58.029 --> 00:29:59.809
us unless they, you know, say some dumb shit

00:29:59.809 --> 00:30:04.200
like, hey, I'm in town. I want to fuck. Well,

00:30:04.220 --> 00:30:05.980
you got to do a little better than that. And

00:30:05.980 --> 00:30:08.599
I'm actually reading that now. It's literally

00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:11.720
a message that my wife got or we got on our profile

00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:14.799
this weekend. We never spoken to this person

00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:17.819
before. Don't even know the guy. Just Ham and

00:30:17.819 --> 00:30:26.759
Tom want to fuck. No. But I'm done. I'm done

00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:33.309
abusing Mike. Listen, Socrates, it's your turn.

00:30:33.410 --> 00:30:35.630
I'm done abusing Mike because I have too much

00:30:35.630 --> 00:30:42.049
fun doing it. It ain't never abusing me because

00:30:42.049 --> 00:30:47.069
I know how you roll. You know what I'm saying?

00:30:47.789 --> 00:30:51.029
I know how you roll. You know what I'm saying?

00:30:53.289 --> 00:30:55.670
Come on in, nephew. All right, all right, Socrates.

00:30:55.950 --> 00:30:59.299
Come on in, come on in. I want to piggyback on

00:30:59.299 --> 00:31:01.839
the example that Michael was saying. So you got

00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:06.279
a guy, he's lying. And I call that fuckboys,

00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:08.880
right? So one of the reasons why I got into the

00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:11.900
lifestyle, because I can't do that. I can't keep

00:31:11.900 --> 00:31:14.680
my lies straight. You know, I don't like dealing

00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:18.700
with two women on drama, not ten. So my thing

00:31:18.700 --> 00:31:23.299
for you, cousin, is it's the same thing. We was

00:31:23.299 --> 00:31:28.769
just talking about in Splash. A woman, a cuck

00:31:28.769 --> 00:31:30.730
that lies, you was just putting me up on game.

00:31:30.849 --> 00:31:32.470
You know these cucks be lying that they want

00:31:32.470 --> 00:31:35.809
to help. But what they really want to do is they

00:31:35.809 --> 00:31:39.029
buy and they want to suck some dick. So they

00:31:39.029 --> 00:31:41.349
go through that process. And that's fine. Your

00:31:41.349 --> 00:31:43.730
journey is your journey. And then some women

00:31:43.730 --> 00:31:47.829
lie and say, yeah, I'll play with him or I like

00:31:47.829 --> 00:31:50.430
him or I don't want this or I don't want that

00:31:50.430 --> 00:31:53.849
to please her husband. And then me and Mr. Mocha

00:31:53.849 --> 00:31:57.099
were talking about earlier today. Some people

00:31:57.099 --> 00:31:59.720
lie about their own desires. Well, this is what

00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:01.539
I want. Now what you really want is some other

00:32:01.539 --> 00:32:03.220
freaky shit, but you don't want nobody to know

00:32:03.220 --> 00:32:07.359
you want that. You know what I'm saying? So my

00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:10.180
point is, that's why I call it a triangle, is

00:32:10.180 --> 00:32:14.900
because my thing is this. The answer is be adoptable

00:32:14.900 --> 00:32:18.640
and have a tool bag. You're a couple, be adoptable,

00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:21.779
have a tool bag. You're a bull, be adoptable,

00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:24.490
have a tool bag. You're a couple, you're going

00:32:24.490 --> 00:32:26.329
to have unique challenges of being a couple.

00:32:26.609 --> 00:32:31.029
They're not better, worse, less, more than anybody

00:32:31.029 --> 00:32:33.250
else. You have unique couples in that dynamic.

00:32:33.509 --> 00:32:36.809
You're a bull, you have struggles or things you

00:32:36.809 --> 00:32:38.710
have to overcome or things you need to build.

00:32:38.829 --> 00:32:41.990
You got to build a tool bag too. And what my

00:32:41.990 --> 00:32:44.970
point is, is I disagree with Mr. Mocha because

00:32:44.970 --> 00:32:47.569
he was saying, well, you know, you got two couples

00:32:47.569 --> 00:32:50.730
that you got this couple that don't have their

00:32:50.730 --> 00:32:53.789
stuff together. and they're struggling, well,

00:32:53.990 --> 00:32:57.930
guess what? If the bull doesn't have his shit

00:32:57.930 --> 00:33:01.349
together, he's going to be struggling too. He's

00:33:01.349 --> 00:33:04.690
going to have problems too. So it's like he was

00:33:04.690 --> 00:33:07.170
advising me, you know, man, know your kinks.

00:33:07.450 --> 00:33:10.230
You don't have to tell nobody your kinks, but

00:33:10.230 --> 00:33:15.049
know your kinks, man. Like Michael said, the

00:33:15.049 --> 00:33:17.589
hard dick don't lie. You know, and you're going

00:33:17.589 --> 00:33:19.170
to come up with some shit where your brain says,

00:33:19.210 --> 00:33:20.730
I ain't supposed to like that. But your dick

00:33:20.730 --> 00:33:22.250
said, well, hold on, we'll look a little bit

00:33:22.250 --> 00:33:25.390
more into that. You know what I'm saying? And

00:33:25.390 --> 00:33:27.829
so my point is, that's why I call it a triangle,

00:33:27.869 --> 00:33:31.670
because I don't want to hear you got more problems

00:33:31.670 --> 00:33:34.470
than me. Because I know what it's like when me

00:33:34.470 --> 00:33:37.690
and my wife are on the hunt together, like Mr.

00:33:37.829 --> 00:33:40.690
Mocha and Mrs. Mocha. I know how easy that is

00:33:40.690 --> 00:33:43.890
for my wife to make the wife feel more comfortable.

00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:47.940
I know that's easier as a couple than me having

00:33:47.940 --> 00:33:50.279
to go to a woman and convince both of them I'm

00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:54.039
the man. See, I don't look at it as convincing.

00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:57.099
Because when you say convinced, that means you

00:33:57.099 --> 00:33:59.519
feel like you're trying to sell something. No,

00:33:59.579 --> 00:34:00.960
no, no. I know what you're saying. I'm not trying

00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:03.400
to sell something. What I mean is I'm there.

00:34:03.539 --> 00:34:06.059
I'm brushing my teeth. I'm going to the gym.

00:34:06.339 --> 00:34:09.280
I'm learning body language. I'm learning how

00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:13.539
to talk, spoke to folks in order to get her comfortable.

00:34:14.269 --> 00:34:17.429
Like you said, I see somebody I like. Okay, I

00:34:17.429 --> 00:34:19.849
like hourglass. She could be three hours, two

00:34:19.849 --> 00:34:22.429
hours, or one hour. I don't care. I like hourglass.

00:34:22.710 --> 00:34:25.110
Boom, there it is. I got an hourglass. She's

00:34:25.110 --> 00:34:28.769
in my sight. Boom. I need to do something to

00:34:28.769 --> 00:34:30.989
get her to feel comfortable. I need to get her

00:34:30.989 --> 00:34:33.769
husband to feel comfortable. I need to get her

00:34:33.769 --> 00:34:35.949
joking and laughing. I'm not funny. I'm the least

00:34:35.949 --> 00:34:37.829
funniest brother around here. I got to learn

00:34:37.829 --> 00:34:40.010
how to share some fucking jokes. I have to do

00:34:40.010 --> 00:34:43.940
all these things. to work hard at trying to get

00:34:43.940 --> 00:34:46.320
her to understand I'm the right guy for the job.

00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:50.880
And I'm saying is that is, you got to do the

00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:53.780
same thing. You guys got to talk together. The

00:34:53.780 --> 00:34:57.500
bull can lie. The cut, the cut, the cut coaches

00:34:57.500 --> 00:35:00.800
can lie and the bull can lie, but we all need

00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:06.380
tools and a tool bag to me. Maybe. Okay. So when

00:35:06.380 --> 00:35:11.849
I self evaluate, Maybe because of where I started,

00:35:12.070 --> 00:35:16.650
which was from the bottom, as far as the confidence

00:35:16.650 --> 00:35:23.130
aspect of things. Maybe my pendulum is swung

00:35:23.130 --> 00:35:25.170
too far over to the other side. Because what

00:35:25.170 --> 00:35:31.070
I've learned is if I'm not somebody's steelo,

00:35:31.070 --> 00:35:34.289
game, bag, whatever, if I'm not their cup of

00:35:34.289 --> 00:35:37.019
tea. The moment I learned that I'm not their

00:35:37.019 --> 00:35:40.500
cup of tea, bro, I'm not thinking about it. I'm

00:35:40.500 --> 00:35:43.800
not thinking about it. They're gone to me. Like,

00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:45.780
that's just not weighing on my conscience. I'm

00:35:45.780 --> 00:35:50.519
not, why is it so hard? I'm on to the next. So,

00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:53.780
like I said, maybe my pendulum has swung too

00:35:53.780 --> 00:35:56.980
far to the other side. Maybe it'll fall back

00:35:56.980 --> 00:35:59.000
to the middle someday. But where it is right

00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:03.519
now, I'm not trying to convince anybody. Like

00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:05.739
I always quote Nas, I got no game. It's just

00:36:05.739 --> 00:36:08.420
some bitches understand my story. I'm just going

00:36:08.420 --> 00:36:10.960
to be me. I'm just going to spit what I'm about.

00:36:11.059 --> 00:36:13.440
I'm going to spit what I'm looking for. If you're

00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:17.460
not with that, good luck. Kick rocks. I'm out.

00:36:17.539 --> 00:36:19.659
I'm on to the next. I'm on to the next. I know,

00:36:19.739 --> 00:36:23.460
but there's a difference between being authentic.

00:36:24.340 --> 00:36:27.079
Yeah, but maybe I'm not using it right. When

00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:29.920
I say game, condense, that's all about look.

00:36:31.420 --> 00:36:34.440
My mouth is my mouth, but I would rather come

00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:38.300
with my mouth brushed than not. My clothes is

00:36:38.300 --> 00:36:40.380
my clothes, but I would rather them be ironed

00:36:40.380 --> 00:36:43.639
and proper and all of that. What I'm saying is,

00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:45.920
I'm not talking about trying to convince you.

00:36:45.940 --> 00:36:48.380
Are you saying that you want to be attractive

00:36:48.380 --> 00:36:52.219
to someone? Is that what you're saying? You're

00:36:52.219 --> 00:36:54.219
trying to make yourself attractive? It's not

00:36:54.219 --> 00:36:58.559
just attractive. What I'm saying is, if it was

00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:01.199
just as easy as... Oh, go down to the basement

00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:03.639
and pick. And whoever's the best is the best.

00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:06.000
But like Mr. Mocha say, some of them don't even

00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:10.199
know they done picked something up. And because,

00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:12.880
like you say, I've heard some crazy stuff. I've

00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:15.519
heard people say, well, like you said, I mean,

00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:20.219
damn near, you know, your eyebrows are not tailored.

00:37:20.460 --> 00:37:23.219
Like, I don't do my eyebrows. My white woman,

00:37:23.260 --> 00:37:25.880
I don't want my eyebrows to be manicured or whatever

00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:28.699
you want to call it. I've heard people. say that.

00:37:28.820 --> 00:37:31.260
So that's on you that you don't know how to pick.

00:37:32.260 --> 00:37:34.880
And I'm saying it ain't easier or harder than

00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.260
anybody else because you gotta get some skills

00:37:37.260 --> 00:37:40.300
on how to pick. Like, I need to develop skills

00:37:40.300 --> 00:37:43.519
on how to chase. I'm saying you taught me, hey

00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:46.219
man, be yourself. You know? Be your authentic

00:37:46.219 --> 00:37:51.280
self. I'm not mad if she doesn't choose me. No,

00:37:51.340 --> 00:37:53.320
what I'm saying is the topic's still the same.

00:37:53.460 --> 00:37:56.019
No. The topic is still the same. It's equal.

00:37:56.809 --> 00:37:59.510
And if you got a unique challenge, that's cool,

00:37:59.610 --> 00:38:02.170
but we all got challenges. And I disagree even

00:38:02.170 --> 00:38:04.769
with you, Mr. Mocha. I'm not okay with anybody

00:38:04.769 --> 00:38:07.750
saying any part of this triangle, well, we got

00:38:07.750 --> 00:38:09.849
it harder. We got it harder over here. Maybe

00:38:09.849 --> 00:38:11.650
you got it harder for something because you got

00:38:11.650 --> 00:38:14.769
to deal with a bull and you got to deal with

00:38:14.769 --> 00:38:16.969
a cuck or a cuck angster. Maybe you have to deal

00:38:16.969 --> 00:38:19.429
with that, but that don't mean I don't have an

00:38:19.429 --> 00:38:22.670
equal weighted problem over here that maybe you

00:38:22.670 --> 00:38:24.949
don't have to deal with, but we both over here

00:38:24.949 --> 00:38:27.869
having challenges. Needing to be attractive,

00:38:28.289 --> 00:38:31.710
needing to handle our business, needing to overcome,

00:38:32.090 --> 00:38:35.809
right, and deal with our unique challenges. I

00:38:35.809 --> 00:38:37.630
understand your struggles. That's why we're in

00:38:37.630 --> 00:38:39.449
the lifestyle. I mean, that's why we do podcasts,

00:38:39.570 --> 00:38:43.510
because I want me and my wife's podcast to help

00:38:43.510 --> 00:38:45.550
you with that. I want to give you as many tools

00:38:45.550 --> 00:38:47.690
in your tool bag as possible. That's why we're

00:38:47.690 --> 00:38:50.469
here. But don't come at me with, oh, we got it

00:38:50.469 --> 00:38:53.590
worse. Let me ask you a question. Why is it so

00:38:53.590 --> 00:38:56.469
important for you? for your struggle to be equal

00:38:56.469 --> 00:39:03.690
to theirs? It's not important. No, no, no. It's

00:39:03.690 --> 00:39:05.969
in your voice. It's important. It's important.

00:39:06.210 --> 00:39:10.090
No, no, no. What I mean by that, let me explain

00:39:10.090 --> 00:39:13.369
that. It's not that it's important. I have a

00:39:13.369 --> 00:39:16.010
problem with anybody. I have a problem with anybody

00:39:16.010 --> 00:39:20.489
trying to make their challenges or something

00:39:20.489 --> 00:39:23.610
harder. Anybody else. And we brought this up

00:39:23.610 --> 00:39:28.090
in the hot tub. I have a 501c3 called Young Black

00:39:28.090 --> 00:39:31.309
Men's Academy. And my argument is only people

00:39:31.309 --> 00:39:34.630
in the country that have a different excuse is

00:39:34.630 --> 00:39:36.610
black people. Because we didn't choose to get

00:39:36.610 --> 00:39:40.610
here. We were stopped at every turn. And we have

00:39:40.610 --> 00:39:43.869
all kind of things trying to keep us down. The

00:39:43.869 --> 00:39:47.610
Indians don't. The Indians don't. The Jews don't.

00:39:47.630 --> 00:39:49.690
They got to deal with racism. They have to deal

00:39:49.690 --> 00:39:51.469
with this or that. But they didn't have to deal

00:39:51.469 --> 00:39:55.539
with us. But besides that, everybody else. Hold

00:39:55.539 --> 00:40:06.460
on, hold on, hold on. You just did what you just

00:40:06.460 --> 00:40:09.780
said you didn't want to happen. So you just said

00:40:09.780 --> 00:40:14.440
black people have the right. Nobody can compare

00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:16.480
their problem with the problems of black people.

00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:19.460
You know what I'm saying? Two things I always

00:40:19.460 --> 00:40:21.880
say, and I said it earlier. When it comes to

00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:24.460
the lifestyle, I think that that's something

00:40:24.460 --> 00:40:30.219
that's within the lifestyle. We ain't talking

00:40:30.219 --> 00:40:33.119
within this conversation. We ain't saying that

00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:36.159
you had, it's not the race that makes it easier

00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:39.219
or harder. You know what I'm saying? And if you

00:40:39.219 --> 00:40:42.260
step into the lifestyle and you know, you're

00:40:42.260 --> 00:40:45.079
coming to lifestyle and saying, Oh, well your

00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:47.460
plight can't be harder than mine because of this

00:40:47.460 --> 00:40:51.539
or that. Then at this point you, You're dealing

00:40:51.539 --> 00:40:54.079
with some of your own demons, so you shouldn't

00:40:54.079 --> 00:41:00.039
even be in that space. But I will say this. In

00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:04.320
my opinion, there are certain things and certain

00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:06.599
categories where single guys are going to have

00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:09.400
a harder time than couples. And there are certain

00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:10.960
categories where couples are going to have a

00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:14.440
harder time than single guys. All right. Just

00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:17.679
like in a situation where right now we're just

00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:22.329
simply we've only talked about. The initial meeting,

00:41:22.550 --> 00:41:25.949
we haven't even talked about the emotional things

00:41:25.949 --> 00:41:31.190
that, you know, couples and and singles go through.

00:41:31.269 --> 00:41:35.849
I think Mike and I, our first debate was our

00:41:35.849 --> 00:41:40.769
very first debate on cucks or couple couples

00:41:40.769 --> 00:41:44.409
and hot wife couples versus single males was

00:41:44.409 --> 00:41:50.769
we were talking about a situation. where a single

00:41:50.769 --> 00:41:56.690
male and a wife got too close and it created

00:41:56.690 --> 00:41:58.949
some emotional damage within the relationship.

00:41:59.250 --> 00:42:04.090
And our debate at that time was Mike felt that

00:42:04.090 --> 00:42:08.090
the male, single male, should have been careful

00:42:08.090 --> 00:42:13.989
and he bared responsibility for not being aware

00:42:13.989 --> 00:42:18.539
that the wife was falling for him. And he should

00:42:18.539 --> 00:42:21.880
have basically stepped back and toned that down.

00:42:22.820 --> 00:42:30.380
And me being me and my usual, me being me, I

00:42:30.380 --> 00:42:32.480
was like, the fuck you mean? He ain't married

00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:37.460
to her. They not married. Why does he have responsibility?

00:42:37.900 --> 00:42:40.119
And then that's when, you know, me and Mike.

00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:42.619
There I go being ethical again. Yeah, yeah, you

00:42:42.619 --> 00:42:46.340
know, Mike being super ethical. Mike trying to

00:42:46.340 --> 00:42:50.199
be ethical and me going, hey, that ain't my job.

00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:57.460
My job is not. Don't be in the title, E &M. Hey,

00:42:57.659 --> 00:43:01.500
listen. Ethical non -monogamy. Hey, but listen.

00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:09.340
Hey, no man can be unethical. When he asked my

00:43:09.340 --> 00:43:14.519
wife for consent. No man can be unethical with

00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:17.159
any consensual act that he does with my wife.

00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:20.679
Don't nobody got to call me and say, hey, your

00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:24.940
wife said that you were OK with us playing. Man,

00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:34.199
I'm not married to you. I appreciate you giving

00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:37.699
me that respect. If you feel that's a respectful

00:43:37.699 --> 00:43:41.719
thing, but my wife is my wife and me and her,

00:43:41.780 --> 00:43:44.659
our shit is together. And she's the only person

00:43:44.659 --> 00:43:47.780
I hold responsible for anything y 'all do. If

00:43:47.780 --> 00:43:50.920
you did it with her consent and her permission.

00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:54.199
And if you convinced her, if you conned her,

00:43:54.300 --> 00:43:59.599
if you tricked her to give you some pussy, she

00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:03.860
did it consensually. And so even if between her

00:44:03.860 --> 00:44:06.599
and I, that wasn't a way to go. I'm married to

00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:11.019
her. I've got a commitment to her. I'm not going

00:44:11.019 --> 00:44:15.159
to be mad at that man because I'm not married

00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:18.800
to him. If a dude can come take my wife, she

00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:23.659
wasn't mine. I feel you on that. So that was

00:44:23.659 --> 00:44:26.460
where, so that, so that's where we, we had a

00:44:26.460 --> 00:44:28.079
good fight on that one. Me and Mike Duke, that

00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:32.940
went out for forever. So, but now there's caveats

00:44:32.940 --> 00:44:40.800
to that position. Ethical. Okay. Yeah. Like,

00:44:40.820 --> 00:44:43.840
think about, okay, so here's the conversation

00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:47.360
that Mr. Moop is talking about. My point was,

00:44:47.500 --> 00:44:52.420
when we deal with these couples, especially the

00:44:52.420 --> 00:44:57.039
newer couples, we, and I'm talking about experienced

00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:00.159
bulls, like dudes that know they shit, right?

00:45:02.409 --> 00:45:06.829
you know that you're bringing in an energy that

00:45:06.829 --> 00:45:11.210
she's probably unaccustomed to. In other words,

00:45:11.250 --> 00:45:14.030
you know that you're bringing, you know it's

00:45:14.030 --> 00:45:18.349
possible for her to get caught up. So I look

00:45:18.349 --> 00:45:21.369
at it a lot like, you know, you all have kids.

00:45:21.969 --> 00:45:24.710
I'm sure at some point in time you chaperoned

00:45:24.710 --> 00:45:29.010
a field trip. You know what I'm saying? And it's

00:45:29.010 --> 00:45:32.139
like when you chaperone that field trip, You

00:45:32.139 --> 00:45:34.760
know what the kids want to do. They want to eat

00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:37.500
cotton candy and milkshakes and all that. And

00:45:37.500 --> 00:45:38.900
then when you see them wanting to get on that

00:45:38.900 --> 00:45:40.880
tilt the world, you're like, I don't think that's

00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:44.519
a good idea. That's not going to match. You're

00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:46.559
going to get sick. You know what I'm saying?

00:45:46.659 --> 00:45:49.179
So that's kind of how I look at this. Like, I

00:45:49.179 --> 00:45:51.980
know that it's possible for them to get caught

00:45:51.980 --> 00:45:55.500
up because of the energy that I'm bringing into

00:45:55.500 --> 00:45:58.420
this space that she's probably unaccustomed to.

00:45:59.389 --> 00:46:01.829
So if I see things heading in that direction,

00:46:01.949 --> 00:46:07.250
if I see her getting caught up ethically, I'm

00:46:07.250 --> 00:46:09.510
going to put a stop to that. Like, hey, wait

00:46:09.510 --> 00:46:11.769
a minute. This is not the direction that you

00:46:11.769 --> 00:46:14.070
want to take this in. I get why you're feeling

00:46:14.070 --> 00:46:15.949
what you're feeling. I'm going to be the chaperone.

00:46:16.190 --> 00:46:17.849
You know what I'm saying? Because I've experienced

00:46:17.849 --> 00:46:20.269
this. I've seen this. This is all new to her.

00:46:21.070 --> 00:46:24.329
I mean, this is all coming at her fast. All these

00:46:24.329 --> 00:46:26.409
feelings, all these emotions, all these thoughts.

00:46:26.909 --> 00:46:30.769
So as the chaperone. I got to take a step back

00:46:30.769 --> 00:46:33.190
and save her from herself. Like you about to

00:46:33.190 --> 00:46:35.090
make a mistake that you really not trying to

00:46:35.090 --> 00:46:38.989
do. Now what Mr. Mocha is saying is it's not

00:46:38.989 --> 00:46:41.409
my responsibility to do that. If she wants to

00:46:41.409 --> 00:46:44.610
do that, I should let her do it. I should let

00:46:44.610 --> 00:46:46.909
her go ahead and make that mistake. All I'm saying

00:46:46.909 --> 00:46:50.250
is ethically, I can't allow myself to make that

00:46:50.250 --> 00:46:52.769
mistake because I've seen this movie. I've seen

00:46:52.769 --> 00:46:55.030
this movie before. I ain't saying that that's

00:46:55.030 --> 00:46:59.610
what I'm doing. Okay, let's just be clear. Let's

00:46:59.610 --> 00:47:06.489
be clear. Let's be clear. We weren't talking

00:47:06.489 --> 00:47:09.530
about me doing this to someone. We were talking

00:47:09.530 --> 00:47:13.090
about a situation with somebody else and me saying,

00:47:13.150 --> 00:47:20.630
it's wrong either way, but the bad guy is not

00:47:20.630 --> 00:47:26.530
the single person. Because... It's the couple

00:47:26.530 --> 00:47:30.869
who did not discuss what they, you know what

00:47:30.869 --> 00:47:33.030
I mean? They didn't have that in their rules,

00:47:33.130 --> 00:47:35.590
their boundaries, et cetera, et cetera. Didn't

00:47:35.590 --> 00:47:38.289
communicate properly. And that happened. Yep.

00:47:38.670 --> 00:47:42.550
And find me a woman who you can say, hey, listen,

00:47:42.750 --> 00:47:46.110
let me save you from yourself. Okay? This dick's

00:47:46.110 --> 00:47:50.369
so good, you're going to get caught up. So for

00:47:50.369 --> 00:47:57.139
your own safety, I thank you. Hey, listen, I

00:47:57.139 --> 00:47:59.880
say this often. My arrogance has boundaries.

00:47:59.980 --> 00:48:04.039
Okay, I'm not going that far. And then remember

00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:08.460
from experience. Like Kenny Rogers said, man,

00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:09.900
you got to know when to fold them, bro. You got

00:48:09.900 --> 00:48:12.599
to know when to walk away. You got to know when

00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:18.079
to walk away. So now I agree. I agree. You get

00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:21.340
a stage five clinger. Yeah, listen, I know. I've

00:48:21.340 --> 00:48:24.760
been there. I've been there. So, but see, now

00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:26.659
here's the thing. Like, we're not talking about

00:48:26.659 --> 00:48:28.659
the guy who walked away. We're talking about

00:48:28.659 --> 00:48:32.079
a guy who did not walk away when it was probably

00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:36.059
the ethical thing to do. And not saying he wasn't

00:48:36.059 --> 00:48:39.480
a scumbag because that guy is, I do have less

00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:42.659
respect for a guy who going to go in and allow

00:48:42.659 --> 00:48:45.960
himself to get caught up in that type of situation

00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:49.340
with a man's wife within the lifestyle. Okay.

00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:52.840
When you know that she's taking things further

00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:54.980
than they're supposed to be taken and you're

00:48:54.980 --> 00:48:58.199
taking it with her, that's unethical. But when

00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:01.780
we start talking about who bears the responsibility,

00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:09.320
I feel like you diminish women. By saying that

00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:14.699
you, as a grown woman who has lived in this world.

00:49:15.230 --> 00:49:17.989
And who is aware of your emotions and who's had

00:49:17.989 --> 00:49:22.130
sex and who's experienced things. You don't have

00:49:22.130 --> 00:49:24.710
emotional wherewithal to deal with me because

00:49:24.710 --> 00:49:31.210
I'm not I can take away your common sense. No,

00:49:31.230 --> 00:49:36.849
I feel like if you so horny and you allow your

00:49:36.849 --> 00:49:43.119
vagina to be taken over by some dude. who ain't

00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:45.079
been with you for the last X amount of years,

00:49:45.179 --> 00:49:46.920
when you were sick, throwing up, when you was

00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:49.199
having his babies, when y 'all was suffering

00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:51.199
together, when all of these things was happening,

00:49:51.260 --> 00:49:53.980
if I can show up with some dick and take you,

00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:58.239
then the problem ain't with the dude that showed

00:49:58.239 --> 00:49:59.940
up with the dick. Cause the only thing he provided

00:49:59.940 --> 00:50:04.360
was a dick and a silver tongue. So would I be

00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:07.840
mad at him? I'll call him a scumbag, but it wasn't

00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:12.829
his fault. No. Is there just this super, irresistible

00:50:12.829 --> 00:50:17.210
amount of swag? No. It's just you made a decision.

00:50:17.489 --> 00:50:19.449
If a motherfucker show up with a billion dollars

00:50:19.449 --> 00:50:22.190
and tell my wife, hey, divorce your husband and

00:50:22.190 --> 00:50:24.389
marry me for this billion dollars, she got a

00:50:24.389 --> 00:50:26.949
decision to make. I mean, I'm going to tell her,

00:50:27.010 --> 00:50:28.989
you better do it and come back and take care

00:50:28.989 --> 00:50:32.710
of daddy later, but that's irrelevant. But it's

00:50:32.710 --> 00:50:35.670
the same thing if somebody shows up with some

00:50:35.670 --> 00:50:39.849
great desirable dick and energy, she's wise enough.

00:50:40.380 --> 00:50:43.000
and strong enough emotionally to make a decision.

00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:46.739
I don't have super dick. I don't believe in super

00:50:46.739 --> 00:50:49.420
dick. You know, I think I'm giving out some good

00:50:49.420 --> 00:50:53.460
meat, premium, but not enough to make you get

00:50:53.460 --> 00:50:57.199
up and without responsibility, like my dick hypnotized

00:50:57.199 --> 00:50:59.440
you. I was dignitized. I don't know what I was

00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:03.099
doing. It's his fault. Fuck that. So let me ask

00:51:03.099 --> 00:51:04.780
you a question. Have you ever had a wife get

00:51:04.780 --> 00:51:14.449
caught up? Yes, I have. I like how you begrudgingly

00:51:14.449 --> 00:51:21.769
admit it. Now, did you do anything intentionally

00:51:21.769 --> 00:51:31.289
to get her caught up? The silence is deafening.

00:51:31.570 --> 00:51:36.969
Okay. All right, so I have to answer this question

00:51:36.969 --> 00:51:49.139
a certain way. To the level in which she was

00:51:49.139 --> 00:51:58.320
caught up? No. But... You know when you deal

00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:01.360
with a couple and the husband says, hey, this

00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:05.179
is what I want you to do. But you know what it's

00:52:05.179 --> 00:52:07.460
like when the husband says, hey, I want you to

00:52:07.460 --> 00:52:11.659
be... Her boyfriend, I want you to to make her

00:52:11.659 --> 00:52:13.860
feel this way. I want you to communicate with

00:52:13.860 --> 00:52:16.239
her throughout the day. I travel. I want you

00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:20.719
to do this, this and this. And I say, you understand

00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:23.880
what you're asking for. And he says, yes. And

00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:27.920
I say, no, you don't. Let me explain to you how

00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:30.460
this will go. And you tell me if this is what

00:52:30.460 --> 00:52:33.840
you want, because I have been with couples where

00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:37.960
the husband said he wanted it. She wanted that.

00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:43.099
And I gave her that experience. And she was very,

00:52:43.179 --> 00:52:46.320
very much into me. And we had a really great

00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:50.480
relationship. I have had a few situations where

00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:59.219
I've had a situation where the husband changed

00:52:59.219 --> 00:53:04.679
his mind. I was never intentionally trying to

00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:09.090
make. A woman leave her husband. And the conversation

00:53:09.090 --> 00:53:11.210
that you and I originally had was, I believe,

00:53:11.289 --> 00:53:17.130
somebody allowing the wife, either the wife was

00:53:17.130 --> 00:53:20.510
going to leave the husband for the dick. I never

00:53:20.510 --> 00:53:24.929
did that. But do I always put my best foot forward?

00:53:25.550 --> 00:53:28.530
And if you say, hey, I want her to experience

00:53:28.530 --> 00:53:31.090
real emotions and I want you to develop a real

00:53:31.090 --> 00:53:34.110
bond with her, you know, especially at the time

00:53:34.110 --> 00:53:38.230
when I was single. Oh, you're going to love me.

00:53:39.329 --> 00:53:43.030
Now, if you start... I think you told me something

00:53:43.030 --> 00:53:47.190
before because of what you had experienced, what

00:53:47.190 --> 00:53:49.969
your mindset was when you first got into the

00:53:49.969 --> 00:53:51.869
lifestyle. It might even have been before you

00:53:51.869 --> 00:53:54.869
got into the lifestyle. You were trying to break

00:53:54.869 --> 00:53:57.510
people up. No, no, no. That wasn't lifestyle.

00:53:57.969 --> 00:54:02.260
That wasn't lifestyle. That was... After I got

00:54:02.260 --> 00:54:04.280
my first divorce and my feelings was hurt, I

00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:07.239
was out there being a scumbag with non -lifestyle

00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:10.840
married women. I was the only fucking married

00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:14.480
woman. You're the homewrecker. No, hold on. Let's

00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:16.360
get this straight. I wasn't trying to make them

00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:18.000
leave their husband. I was just trying to make

00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:19.840
them cheat on their husband. If we're going to

00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:23.500
be honest, let's be honest. I didn't want those

00:54:23.500 --> 00:54:26.659
responsibilities. But keep in mind, this is before

00:54:26.659 --> 00:54:39.900
Lifestyle, so don't judge me. I was honest about

00:54:39.900 --> 00:54:43.000
my scumbaggery. Okay. I was honest about it,

00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:46.519
but that scumbaggery did not, I wasn't doing

00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:48.900
that in the lifestyle. That scumbaggery was outside

00:54:48.900 --> 00:54:52.039
of lifestyle. And when I was being a scumbag,

00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:53.920
I knew I was being a scumbag. You know what I'm

00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:56.719
saying? And even still. I take my dick out of

00:54:56.719 --> 00:54:59.159
somebody and be like, hey, hey, hey, hey. Be

00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:00.860
nice to your husband this weekend. You've been

00:55:00.860 --> 00:55:02.260
out here fucking. You know what I'm saying? I'm

00:55:02.260 --> 00:55:04.340
not trying to take you. I'm just trying to get

00:55:04.340 --> 00:55:06.739
a little bit of ass. You wanted to show up at

00:55:06.739 --> 00:55:09.480
your doorstep. Like, I left him. Hey, hey. Hey,

00:55:10.739 --> 00:55:14.079
they knew better than that. But, hey, I was young.

00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:18.219
I mean, I was in my 20s at that time. And I was

00:55:18.219 --> 00:55:21.559
mad. My feelings was hurt. I was mad. Savage.

00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:25.380
Animal. Savage. Animal. But hey, had she left,

00:55:25.579 --> 00:55:31.239
it still wouldn't have been my fault. Let the

00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:36.519
church say amen on that. Mike, I got a question.

00:55:36.539 --> 00:55:38.619
Let the church say amen on that. Me and you believe

00:55:38.619 --> 00:55:42.000
in. Preach. You said what now? Mike, I got a

00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:44.440
question. Me and you believe in super dick. I

00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:46.820
know Mr. Mocha don't. I believe in super dick.

00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:48.739
But here's the fucking thing. Mr. Mocha's the

00:55:48.739 --> 00:55:51.239
most super dickish out of all of us. I know.

00:55:51.380 --> 00:55:54.639
I know. I know. Hey, man. Watch your mouth. Watch

00:55:54.639 --> 00:55:57.800
your mouth. Watch your mouth. Hey, you got the

00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:01.360
Sigma male over there. Hey, y 'all ain't even

00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:03.940
talking. I'm not going to put his business in

00:56:03.940 --> 00:56:07.960
the streets, but hey, he being quiet. Let me

00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:10.780
say this. Let me say this. It's funny. It's funny

00:56:10.780 --> 00:56:13.420
how, you know, you guys have been talking about

00:56:13.420 --> 00:56:17.119
that. And no one has, like, really thought about,

00:56:17.179 --> 00:56:21.340
I'm living this right now. In the trouble that

00:56:21.340 --> 00:56:23.199
I'm in. You know what I'm saying? I'm actually

00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:26.940
living this right now. Okay? Maybe not the fact

00:56:26.940 --> 00:56:30.699
that I went into it trying to make somebody leave

00:56:30.699 --> 00:56:33.639
her husband. No. But the fact that, yeah, she

00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:37.719
did get caught up. Yeah, she saw another side

00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:40.320
of me. like three or four different sides of

00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:43.420
me other than just the fool. And boom, it became

00:56:43.420 --> 00:56:46.380
like y 'all saw it, saw it, you know, at Splash,

00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:48.860
the holding of the hands and then, you know,

00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:51.139
the husband is there and we all hate thruffle.

00:56:51.460 --> 00:56:54.500
So, you know what I mean? That's just funny to

00:56:54.500 --> 00:56:56.360
me that like nobody's really like thought about

00:56:56.360 --> 00:56:59.159
that and asked me, you know, who be, you know,

00:56:59.179 --> 00:57:02.400
what did you do or, you know, how did you, you

00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:04.539
know, navigate? Oh, I thought about it. I just

00:57:04.539 --> 00:57:06.280
went and threw rocks at you. Let's do it again.

00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:10.539
I mean, I know the answer because we've talked,

00:57:10.659 --> 00:57:13.179
but if you want to bless the congregation, what

00:57:13.179 --> 00:57:18.000
kept you from blowing it up, like blowing their

00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:23.800
shit up? No, I had no intention of blowing their

00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:26.920
stuff up. No, no intention. Never. That's never

00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:29.179
my intention. Could we call it ethics? Could

00:57:29.179 --> 00:57:36.349
we call it ethics? My ethically appropriate word?

00:57:36.989 --> 00:57:41.090
You can. You can. You can. You can. You can.

00:57:41.250 --> 00:57:45.570
But at the same time, though, you know, I saw

00:57:45.570 --> 00:57:51.809
something in her. I saw something in her that

00:57:51.809 --> 00:57:53.590
reminded, you know, she was kind of like the

00:57:53.590 --> 00:57:56.409
female version of me. You know what I mean? Especially

00:57:56.409 --> 00:57:58.469
sexually and all that stuff like that. But there

00:57:58.469 --> 00:58:01.269
was another side that I saw to her and them.

00:58:01.820 --> 00:58:04.699
You know what I'm saying? So that made me show

00:58:04.699 --> 00:58:09.139
them one other side of me. And again, planets

00:58:09.139 --> 00:58:11.820
lined, you know, are lined up. And next thing

00:58:11.820 --> 00:58:14.860
we know, you know, hey, we're going, you know,

00:58:14.860 --> 00:58:17.940
to places all three of us holding hands. You

00:58:17.940 --> 00:58:21.820
know what I'm saying? So that's, but at no time,

00:58:21.820 --> 00:58:25.400
though, did I go into it like I did when I was

00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:28.760
like Mocha in my 20s. I was just wanting to.

00:58:29.369 --> 00:58:31.570
You know, hey, it ain't my fault. You know what

00:58:31.570 --> 00:58:33.969
I'm saying? I'm just laying it down. If it happens,

00:58:34.070 --> 00:58:36.630
it happens. And like I said, y 'all should have

00:58:36.630 --> 00:58:39.110
talked about that. You know, I'm just being Brian.

00:58:39.590 --> 00:58:43.829
That's it. I'm just being that BBC bull coming

00:58:43.829 --> 00:58:46.690
in and laying it down. And then, you know, if

00:58:46.690 --> 00:58:48.409
I check off all the boxes and, you know, she

00:58:48.409 --> 00:58:53.050
falls, then so be it. But, you know, I'm like

00:58:53.050 --> 00:58:56.460
Rakim, you know. In the song, I got to hit the

00:58:56.460 --> 00:58:57.820
streets and I'm done, you know what I'm saying?

00:58:58.380 --> 00:59:03.019
I'm gone. I'm gone. Bust three and flee? Huh?

00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:08.280
Nothing, go ahead. No, I'm just saying. I said

00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:12.199
bust three and flee? Hey man, hey man, that's

00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:15.320
it. You know, that was it. That was it. That

00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:18.519
was my M .O. Back then in my 20s and, you know,

00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:21.619
really the start of the 30s. Hell, the 30s too.

00:59:22.139 --> 00:59:24.400
That was the M .O., bro. Especially, you know.

00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:27.440
getting introduced to the escorting world along

00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:29.599
with it. So, hell yeah. I ain't have no damn

00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:32.579
fucking emotions. It was just come in, you know,

00:59:32.619 --> 00:59:37.119
play and roll out. But are we talking about two

00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:39.719
different things? Because I believe in Super

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Dick and you can come with Super Dick, but it's

00:59:43.019 --> 00:59:48.869
still not my responsibility. To me, Super Dick

00:59:48.869 --> 00:59:52.570
is us. I read them. Me and you read body language

00:59:52.570 --> 00:59:55.309
books. Man, come on. We spend hours in the gym,

00:59:55.409 --> 00:59:58.469
right? I've read books on how to talk to women,

00:59:58.530 --> 01:00:01.750
how to approach. You know, I'm a master at this

01:00:01.750 --> 01:00:05.269
shit, right? So I'm going to be able to, like

01:00:05.269 --> 01:00:08.289
you said, well, I didn't do that much to make

01:00:08.289 --> 01:00:11.420
her that. crazy with me no brother you not in

01:00:11.420 --> 01:00:13.760
your mind but you put some super dick on her

01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:16.280
and she went crazy on some stuff you didn't think

01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:19.800
she was going crazy on but she went crazy because

01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:22.579
you were thinking i'm in atlanta there's all

01:00:22.579 --> 01:00:25.360
these women around me or there's all these other

01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:28.659
things around me some women don't have that kind

01:00:28.659 --> 01:00:32.400
of know how to deal with a guy that is you know

01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:35.139
like say dark gable know how to speak to women

01:00:35.139 --> 01:00:38.119
deep voice Big hands, so you already know they're

01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:40.579
assuming you packing. You know, all this stuff

01:00:40.579 --> 01:00:43.619
you got, man, that's super dick. Allergic reaction.

01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:45.920
He got that allergic reaction and everything.

01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:51.000
He just swollen all over the goddamn place. Walking

01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:57.699
around, he got a fever and allergy. Like, all

01:00:57.699 --> 01:00:59.659
I got to do is rub peanut butter on my whole

01:00:59.659 --> 01:01:02.199
body. And the next thing you know, he's got muscles

01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:04.880
in his toes. Nah, listen, but y 'all keep the

01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:18.480
super dick. I don't know what y 'all talking

01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:31.360
about. Y 'all clowns. Y 'all clowns. Listen,

01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:35.150
old age is solving that problem for me. But,

01:01:35.150 --> 01:01:36.829
you know, hold on. We got to get back on the

01:01:36.829 --> 01:01:38.949
super dick concept because the only reason I

01:01:38.949 --> 01:01:42.809
came over to super dick. So, first things first,

01:01:42.869 --> 01:01:46.329
the whole super dick thing was me fucking with

01:01:46.329 --> 01:01:49.250
Socrates about something. That's where that came

01:01:49.250 --> 01:01:53.789
about. The whole super dick concept came up because

01:01:53.789 --> 01:01:57.710
I was saying that it's not possible for somebody

01:01:57.710 --> 01:02:02.170
to walk in and just completely hypnotize a group

01:02:02.170 --> 01:02:05.250
of women. and make them forget everything about

01:02:05.250 --> 01:02:09.070
themselves and, and make them bear no responsibility

01:02:09.070 --> 01:02:12.969
for being inappropriate because, you know, some

01:02:12.969 --> 01:02:15.710
person, because some dude came in who was attractive

01:02:15.710 --> 01:02:20.369
with, you know, with a, with a bunch of charisma.

01:02:20.730 --> 01:02:22.909
And so him and I was having this debate back

01:02:22.909 --> 01:02:24.469
and forth, back and forth. And I was like, so

01:02:24.469 --> 01:02:26.210
you think there's a such thing as super dick.

01:02:26.349 --> 01:02:29.690
That's what you think. And he's like, yes. And,

01:02:29.809 --> 01:02:34.869
and so therefore, Now, look, when I was saying

01:02:34.869 --> 01:02:38.349
it originally, I was pissing him off. He was

01:02:38.349 --> 01:02:42.710
pissed off when I first said it. That's how I

01:02:42.710 --> 01:02:44.849
knew he was really my friend, because he talked

01:02:44.849 --> 01:02:50.289
to me after that conversation. That's how I knew

01:02:50.289 --> 01:02:53.670
he was really friends, because I was like, I

01:02:53.670 --> 01:02:55.829
wasn't even going easy on him. And he talked

01:02:55.829 --> 01:02:57.690
to me like the very next day, like, oh, shit,

01:02:57.710 --> 01:03:03.989
we are cool. I'm not saying that a dude can't

01:03:03.989 --> 01:03:07.250
show up and provide a woman with a great experience.

01:03:07.530 --> 01:03:10.050
In fact, I'm not saying that a guy can't show

01:03:10.050 --> 01:03:12.869
up and provide a woman with an experience that

01:03:12.869 --> 01:03:15.849
makes her fantasize about a different, an alternate

01:03:15.849 --> 01:03:19.070
reality because everyone's been there. We done

01:03:19.070 --> 01:03:20.869
had some pussy that's so good that it's like,

01:03:20.929 --> 01:03:23.510
damn, what if I had this every day? I mean, I

01:03:23.510 --> 01:03:25.949
done thought about, damn, I wish I could move

01:03:25.949 --> 01:03:28.340
her into the basement. Maybe her and my wife

01:03:28.340 --> 01:03:32.320
can be sister wives. That kind of pussy scares

01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:34.820
me. Yeah, I think a lot of my wife looks like

01:03:34.820 --> 01:03:37.559
she's about to shank me. That shit scares me.

01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:42.960
Yeah, listen, bring it on. If I die, I die. I

01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:45.019
had a buddy of mine, he kicked all his friends

01:03:45.019 --> 01:03:47.460
out of his house when his girl came to stay with

01:03:47.460 --> 01:03:49.579
him. Turned his back on all of us, and I was

01:03:49.579 --> 01:03:53.639
like, I hope I never find pussy that good. That

01:03:53.639 --> 01:04:05.130
kind of pussy scares me. but it's not super pussy

01:04:05.130 --> 01:04:08.610
it's a person it's an adult making a conscious

01:04:08.610 --> 01:04:12.329
decision to do what they want to do I don't believe

01:04:12.329 --> 01:04:14.610
in excusing behaviors because of outside sources

01:04:14.610 --> 01:04:17.349
there's no pussy good enough to make me leave

01:04:17.349 --> 01:04:20.849
my wife okay there's no dick good enough to make

01:04:20.849 --> 01:04:25.570
her leave me Where it's not saying she she can't

01:04:25.570 --> 01:04:29.670
be taken away, but it's not because the dick

01:04:29.670 --> 01:04:33.010
came in and boggled her mind to a place where

01:04:33.010 --> 01:04:36.750
she's forgotten all 15 years and everything that

01:04:36.750 --> 01:04:39.590
we went through. And she bears no responsibility.

01:04:39.730 --> 01:04:43.309
Honey, I couldn't turn down the penis. Like,

01:04:43.349 --> 01:04:46.570
no, no, it's she's a grown woman. She decided

01:04:46.570 --> 01:04:49.050
she rather that and she decided to take a risk.

01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:51.639
That's my thing when it comes to anything, when

01:04:51.639 --> 01:04:54.800
it comes to like a couple where there's a bull

01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:58.099
and there's a wife and the wife decides, you

01:04:58.099 --> 01:04:59.880
know something, I'm going to leave you because

01:04:59.880 --> 01:05:04.239
I want to be with my bull. Okay. No, his dick

01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:08.280
ain't that good. She's not dumb. Can I say something?

01:05:08.380 --> 01:05:12.639
I think, and I get why we're doing it, but I

01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:16.280
think we're all kind of, and I'm taking a conversation

01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:20.320
somewhere where we hadn't. intended it to go.

01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:25.980
But I can't do this without being real. I think

01:05:25.980 --> 01:05:28.800
we're ignoring the elephant in the room. I've

01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:31.320
heard the term mentioned several times in this

01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:34.619
conversation. We all belong to the same lifestyle,

01:05:34.739 --> 01:05:41.579
which is what? Let me rephrase that. We've all

01:05:41.579 --> 01:05:44.420
been to Splash. What is the theme of Splash?

01:05:47.429 --> 01:05:49.969
Generations. Generations? Who's looking for what?

01:05:52.510 --> 01:05:55.550
They're looking for black men. Here you go. Here

01:05:55.550 --> 01:06:15.110
you go. This brotherhood's for men whose stories

01:06:15.110 --> 01:06:20.030
need to get told. Say it loud. Say it loud. This

01:06:20.030 --> 01:06:24.829
is who we are. Bold, confident, seductive. Dominant

01:06:24.829 --> 01:06:29.349
and classy. We stand tall, never fall. Bull brotherhood.

01:06:30.610 --> 01:06:32.349
Luxury untold.