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go. What do you mean you get nothing? I mean,
elaborate more. Well, in other words, I'm being
funny. I'm being funny. I know I need to, one,
I look like I drink beer. I don't. I mean, I've
been working on that. Two, I know I need to get
better pictures on my profile. I think the words
are better. So taking all that stuff away, yeah,
like Mr. Mocha said, you know, we have to get
to where we're at. I had to sit under y 'all
and listen. I had to read books. I had to go
to the gym. I had to do this. I had to do that.
And I had to work hard to get to the point of
being in front of a woman. And then I got to
have some skills on wooing her, on spitting game
in her ear. And now I got to spit game to the
bull. I mean, to the cuck. I got to, you know,
interact with him. That's a challenge, right?
Those are skills that I have to develop on. It's
hard work. Now, a lot of these couples, they
just show up. I show up. I put my profile on
there. Like you said, the profile halftime ain't
right. You ain't got to say some stuff can be
foul, and they're saying they can have all kinds
of stupid rules, and they will get bombarded
with options. So, yes, your job is to sifting
through options. My job is to get to options
in the first place. Equal struggle. Apples and
oranges, yes. But we still got the same fruit,
baby. We still dealing with the same fruit. We
got to struggle to get there. This is what I
hear, and I'd be curious to get Brian's take
on this. It sounds like you mad at the game.
No, not at all. Like the game is the game. You
know what I'm saying? What it sounds like is
you making excuses for them. That's what I'm
saying. We all got to struggle. The game is the
game. You know, I don't know your business. Quit
complaining. I don't see it as a struggle. I
don't see it as a struggle. Because it's always
been like that. Like, when you learn the rules
of the game, the women are always going to have
– anything that has anything to do with dudes
getting at women, however you want to put it,
they always are in a position where dudes are
coming to them. So it's always been about trying
to figure out, okay, what can I do to either
put myself in front of them or to do something
where they're going to notice me. and I'm going
to get the shine. But that's always been the
game. Yeah, but it's the same thing for women,
though. It's always been the game for women.
So just shut up. Like, okay, well, you know,
you're a 13 -year -old girl. My daughter was
developing way sooner than I wanted to. And at
13, her inbox is full. Motherfucker. Like, you
know what I'm saying? She had to deal with that.
So now my daughter's 27. My daughter look like
a damn model. I don't even like showing people
my picture of my daughter. But she got to deal
with this and shut up. Okay, the coffee got to
chill. You got to go down in that basement, dig
through all them bad clothes to find you some.
I used to do that. I used to be one of them dancers.
We got to have some new sharp stuff. We ain't
got no money. Let's go to the thrift store and
see if we can make that shit hot. I know what
it is. Like you said, it's my struggle to chase
a woman. What's your struggle to shift? And you
got a partner to shift. Matter of fact, you got
a dude looking for you while you talking about,
I don't do all that. He looks for all that. He
sifts through them and then put them on my face
and then it cuts. We'll do all the work. And
she just say, yay or nay. Now y 'all complaining.
No, bro. No, I'm not. I don't have a problem
with the game. You're the one saying that they're
struggling because they got to sit through all
this bullshit. Well, I'm struggling to get there.
And when I get there, I got to sit through some
bullshit too. Have you ever had to look for something
like in your house? Like when something is lost,
it's a pain in the ass trying to find it. When
you got to go through a lot of shit. To find
one thing. That's a different type of search
than just trying to find one thing. Like if I
give you a deck of cards and I say, okay, find
me the Jack of Clubs and I throw them all over
the place, that's a lot of fucking work. As opposed
to just trying to find a Jack of Clubs that's
somewhere. Like sipping through a lot of stuff,
for me, at least. is inherently more difficult
as opposed to just trying to find that one thing
that you're looking for. So yes, there's a difference,
but I don't, but you use the word chasing. I
never used the word chase. I say pursue now to
some people, they might be the same thing to
me. They're different. Chasing means you're just
kind of like just blindly going after something.
Whereas when you're pursuing something, You've
identified what you want and you're pursuing
it. If it gets away, you back off and you identify
what you want and you pursue that. And you're
able to recognize more quickly when somebody
doesn't want you pursuing them. I tell women
that all the time. Like, I don't mind pursuing
you. But if you're giving me the vibe that you
don't want me to pursue you, I'll stop cold in
my tracks. Like, I'm not trying to chase you.
And so it becomes, you know, being able to identify
what you're looking for and being able, like
I've said, oftentimes when I use the gunman analogy,
what is your approach? Are you a shotgun? Are
you an AR? Or are you a sniper? I'm a sniper.
Shotgun, you pull the trigger, pellet spray out.
You're going to hit something. AR, you hold the
trigger down, move the chip back and forth. You
ain't even got to have good aim. You're going
to hit something. I don't favor those approaches.
I want to line up what I'm looking for, get it
in my scope, squeeze. I'm either going to hit
it or I'm going to miss it. But if I hit it,
I'm hitting exactly what I want. And that's just
the difference in philosophy. I'm not here to
say which is right or wrong. I'm just saying
what works for me. So that is your definition
of what we pursue, right? Yeah. Whatever we pursue,
line it up, make sure you got a tight shot group.
That's what you want. One shot, one kill, correct?
Yeah, and if I miss... Are you going to kill
it or are you going to be off to the left or
off to the right? So that's pursuit. And chase
would be just what you said. You got a shotgun,
sawed off, whatever. We all know what a scattergun
is, okay? We're going to spray and... Somebody's
going to get hit. Somebody's going to get hit.
Okay, that's chase and that's pursuit. We got
to have the best aim. Let me... Well, okay, so...
Nephew, you're saying that you do the same thing.
You have to chase, pursue philosophy, or you
just chase. Hey, man. I'm a master at arms, baby.
When I'm in splash, I'm on that AR -15 shit.
Okay, but hold on. Okay, let me say this. Hey,
let me say this. Let me say this. Let me say
this. Online, I'm a sniper, and at the club,
I use a shotgun. Now, I'll kill you with all
of them. I might fuck around and throw a grenade
in the room. Take splash. Take splash away. Take
splash out of this. All right, let's take splash
out of it. So let's just leave, let's just leave,
you know, the real world now. You know what I'm
saying? Take Splash out of it. I don't even want
to hear nothing about Splash because, hell, I
can be 50 million different things at Splash.
You know what I mean? From Special Forces to
just infantry or to downright combo. You know
what I'm saying? Without communications. So I
don't need, you don't need nothing at Splash
to me. You don't need nothing. All right. But
I'm talking about now just the real world now,
just the life itself. You know what I'm saying?
How do you how do you pursue in the life or like
what you do in the life? Just on a regular. OK.
Yeah. I'm definitely a woman. OK. OK. I'm definitely
the sniper paradigm. I agree with that. But can
I go back to his analogy? He said, you know,
I agree. You know, you have some in your house.
And I'm the worst one. I'm at this age where
I be forgetting where I put shit. So I get that.
But let me ask you a question, Michael. Would
you rather try to find $100 in your house or
go make one? Well, if I know the $100 is there
somewhere. But you got to go get it, though.
You got to go earn that shit. You got to go make
$100. Now, me and you know you have a profession
where you know how to go make you $100 in one
night. But that's hard work. You have to go make
it. As opposed to, well, I can leave the house
and tell my wife to look for this shit. I know
it's in the closet somewhere. You know what I
mean? That's what I'm saying. There's a difference
between I got to go get this couple and convince
both of them that I'm the right man. As opposed
to, like you said, oh, man, I recently lost somebody.
She had decided she was going to take a break.
And then she came to us for advice. Well, I helped
guide her back into, come on, you know, it's
all good. Now, maybe I'm selfish, but I helped
guide her back to, you know, we can still do
the things, you know what I mean? You know, I
might help you out with your troubles, you know?
That's different. I lost her, and I got her back.
You used a word. You said convince. When you
say convince, I'm going to tell you. What I hear,
brothers, you know, I'm not used to Mr. Mocha
being this quiet this long. Is he still on the
line? I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here.
I'm here. I'm here. Listen, y 'all circling all
around all kinds of stuff. And I'm waiting for
it. Because. I'm trying to understand, you know,
you and I are great debate and Socrates is new
here. And Mike, you're a nice guy for trying
to go easy. Okay. I'm staying back because I'm
throwing rocks at both y 'all when it's my turn.
So just understand that. So, you know, I don't
give breaks. So, all right. So what I, in the
beginning. What I what I gather, the thing that
we always discuss is the difference between the
challenges that. Couples have cuckold and hot
wife couples have and compared to both. OK, and
one of those things, many of those things come
to who's responsible, who has a hard time. So
we've covered one thing, you know, Mike has agreed
that couples have more options. But he also,
like I said, Mike's the person that feels like
if you're a billionaire and you have a hard time
spending money, you know, the poor people can
only afford a little bit of shit. Their life
is better. The peasants, because they have so
little shit to worry about, they should stop
complaining with all the goddamn options they
got. Why are you complaining? You got to go to
the grocery store and have the option to buy
anything. If you broke, you can only get the
motherfucking eggs. So we understand that Mike
C has that. when it comes to couples. Hey, no,
it's not. No, it is not. And I say this because
right now I straddle both sides of that fence
where my wife and I are thoroughly entertained
oftentimes going through the messages that we
get as a couple as opposed to the stuff that
I get, the stuff that I see on my side. What's
interesting is No guy can tell you that. Let
me not say that. Most guys, if you put a bunch
of dudes in a room and I've done that, we've
done this before where we sat down and we were
looking at our our SDC, our SLS and our Cassidy,
the type of messages we have and the differences
in our profiles. And what's always interesting
is seeing how. Four of us will reach out to the
same couple with completely different types of
profile and we still don't get any responses.
Right. And that goes to show that, like you said,
when you have the option to walk into a grocery
store or you have an option of going downstairs
and sifting through a shit ton of stuff, knowing
that what you're what you want is down there.
You can be less selective. You can take your
time. And I'm sure this has happened to you,
Mike. How many times in the time you've been
in the lifestyle that you've talked to a couple,
a couple reach out to you on a site, you start
talking, and then three months later at 2 o 'clock
in the morning, they message you, hey, what are
you doing? Telling you to go fuck yourself. That's
what I'm doing. I don't reply like that. But
we've had that happen. But now for me, and I
don't know many guys dumb enough to have a brief
conversation with somebody and then message them
months later, hey, you want to fuck? There are
a lot of differences in the behavior. So I think
that we all have our challenges. But do I think
that a couple has it harder? No. No way, shape
or form do couples have it harder. The only thing,
in my opinion, within the lifestyle that makes
it harder for couples is when the two of them
are not on the same page. All right. Me and my
wife, when we hunt, we like fucking velociraptors.
We hunt together. We're in sync and we go after
what we're looking for. If she's looking for
a thing on there, we're partners in it. So it's
much easier with her and I. coordinating because
there's guys on profiles who she'll be like,
oh, I don't like the way this guy said that.
And I read and I'm like, well, you know something?
This is what I got out of that. But you got this
out of that. I'm a dude. Why don't you try this
out? And then she engages the guy and all of
a sudden, oh, I'm glad I did because we were
a team on it. Now, you take a couple. who the
husband has one desire and the wife has another
desire and the husband is saying, OK, honey,
I'll do what you want. And the wife is trying
to make sure that she does what he wants so she
can get some dick. They're not on the same page.
So now that type of couple will absolutely positively
have it harder than a solitary hunter. Because
if I'm at war with the person who I'm in the
two seater with. Then yeah, it's going to be
harder than the motherfucker that's in the car
by itself. But if me and my partner were on the
same page, we have it a thousand times easier
than a single dude. Tell me where I'm wrong.
I'll wait. We'll just agree to disagree. Oh,
you're going to just let all that go? You let
all that slide. All that. You ain't no comment
on none of that. You just tapping out. I'm happy
to know that I just tapped Mike C out that easy.
That's the first time. I might end the call right
now. I was waiting on a reply from Mike. I think
you just hit a grand slam on that, the way you
put it. And here again, I have to, I, I was visualizing
what you were saying as far as like, you know
what I mean? The couple being totally and completely
on sync. And that's something that I think that's
something that we have talked about before. Maybe
in one of our podcasts, I'm already wrong. You
know what I mean? About that couple being totally
100 % on, you know, on point with one another.
And he's, uh, you're absolutely right. If you're
in that foxhole and you're fighting each other
in that foxhole and trying to make the other
one be correct, then you ain't going to win that
war. You're not going to win that war. Something's
going to happen. Kudos. Kudos to you on that.
Here's the caveat to that, though. That's what
I was waiting for. That's what I'm talking about.
Let's go. Let's go. You have, okay, we've had
these conversations before. And we've all known
those dudes. Hell, some of y 'all might have
even been those dudes. Where I've had friends
that were, quote unquote, the ladies' men. And
I'd watch them in their approach. If they meet
10 chicks, they want all 10. Like if they identified
them, they want all of them. So what they're
going to do, they're not going to be up front.
They're going to wait to see what girl number
one wants. They're going to tell her what she
want to hear. They're going to wait to see what
girl number two wants. They're going to tell
her what she want to hear. And I watched them
do that approach. And they would get all 10.
But there would be all kinds of drama associated
with them because they told each of those chicks
a different story. Can I say one thing? Can I
say one thing before you continue? Let me finish
this analogy. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. All
right. Go ahead. Finish this analogy there. And
sitting back and watching that approach and seeing
all the drama that came with it, it's like, yeah,
you got all 10, but damn, was it worth it? I
took the approach of, all right, well, let me
just be honest with what I'm looking for. You
know what I'm saying? Now, I didn't get all 10.
I might only get three. But then I would go to
another 10, do the same thing, and I might get
three more. And then I go to another 10, say
the same thing, be honest, and then I might get
four out of them. So now I got my 10, you got
your 10. Now you only went through 10 to get
your 10, but you're dealing with a whole bunch
of headaches. Whereas I went through, I had to
go through 30 to get my 10, but I ain't playing
no games with nobody. So I say that to say, when
these couples are out here looking for these
guys, we know a lot of guys, they'll say what
they need to say. They'll lie. They'll pretend.
They'll play a role. When really all they want
is one thing, but a couple more. Ain't that what
you said you did earlier? Exactly. If they're
only looking for notches on the belt. If they're
only looking for notches on the belt, then yeah.
You know, yeah. That's that buster that we talk
about. What I talk about. Some of them busters
got silver tongues, though. But Mike, ain't that
what you said you did earlier? With what? Because
you just said you get a guy who's saying different
things to different women to get what they want.
But now in the beginning of this thing, you said
that you have something in your bag for every
couple. Yeah. So that's saying different things.
Hey, what's the difference? There's a big difference.
Between somebody that's adaptable versus somebody
that's lying. But why can't a person be adaptable?
So if we take that same thing, what about the
third person? You got the scumbag who's lying.
Then you have the adaptable person who can still
go and talk to all 10 of them. And then you have
the one who only has the ability to talk to a
specific type. Now you've established earlier
that you're not going to, you don't have to talk
to specific type because you have something in
your bag for everybody. You know what I'm saying?
But as a dude and, and the ball busting in now,
that is a male thing because we are hunters.
Men are going to adapt. We will always in the
lifestyle as there are a very small percentage
of dudes in the lifestyle seeks out one type
of couple because we've learned. that the lifestyle
and lifestyle relationships are all unique as
a fingerprint. So there really is not a one -size
-fits -all. As a guy, you have to be much more
adaptable because you're going to have way fewer
options. But there's a difference between being
adaptable and being a liar. No, no, of course.
I said I was busting your balls about that. That
was a ball bust. That was a setup. So I told
you I'm throwing rocks. But but as a dude in
the lifestyle, because we have a lot less options,
because when you think about let's break it down
to how the behaviors are. A couple. You know,
in the the overflow of options category, you
have the single female. Her options, her options
to get what she want within the lifestyle is
her cup runneth over. OK, she has to do the same
thing that the couples do and shift through shit.
Then you have the couples. Now. In general, and
I'm going to concede to you this, this fact,
this point. In general. Most couples. Have it
harder than most single men because most couples
within the lifestyle, just like in vanilla world,
are not 100 % honest with each other about their
desires and their needs going into it. Most couples,
as they begin to grow, oftentimes they grow in
different directions and it takes them years.
To feel comfortable enough to come back and say,
hey, honey, I really am into this. And she's
like, oh, shit, I'm really into this. And then
they start to converge together again. All right.
Now. If we're talking about quality couples who
are on the same page with each other, who are
working as a team. Their life is much, much easier.
than out of a single male because that couple
still have more options. And that couple, once
they mature a little bit, they start to understand
that a lot of that shit in the basement that
they thought was shit was not actually shit.
They just didn't look close enough because they'll
start learning that when they start interacting
with more guys and realize that as a dude, anything
that I say to get one couple, is going to turn
off 10 more. So they start realizing when they
get contacted by a guy that says, hey, how are
you? That's because anything he says past, hey,
how are you? One of you are going to have a problem
with it. Oh, he's not smart enough or he's not
this. Hi, how are you? It's just a way of him
saying, hi, how are you today? And give you a
given, making you look at his profile and say,
I do or do not like them. And then the couple.
Where there are two people get to kind of set
the tone. And now because you and I, like you
said, you have something in your bag and you're
adaptable. Now I can adapt to the energy that
they give me. So and that's just my standpoint.
When you start looking at the difference between
couples who are on the same page, couples who
are on the same page and then couples who are
on the same page with years of lifestyle experience.
So let me ask you a question. Do you ever reach
out to couples online? All the time. Is your
first message ever? Hi, how are you? And that's
it. It depends on what their profile says. If
they got like a 300 page pro, like if they got
a super long profile, you know, I will usually
say, hi, how are you? My name is. I noticed your
profile. Please take a look at my profile. If
I'm the type of guy that. you and your wife would
be interested in, please let me know. Because
that's it. But now I've had somebody respond
to me and say, if that's the best you can do,
you're not the one for us. And I laugh at it.
And I just say, thank you for your response.
I never get angry. But now here's the thing.
The arrogance. What was I supposed to say? I'm
just greeting you. If I saw you out in the club,
I wouldn't walk up to you and be like, hey, my
name is Mr. Mocha. I am 47 years old. I'm 5 '8".
I'm 230. I'm not 5 '8". Don't nobody tell me
I'm not 5 '8", god damn it. But anyways, I wouldn't
go through this whole monologue of the things
that people expect you to say on a profile. I
would like to have, you know, some interaction,
but... A lot of inexperienced couples or or couples
with too many options expect you to come forth,
bear thy soul, and then them to get to review
you and judge you and go, this person is not
worthy based upon the way he or she was feeling
that day. Now, those same people I will see out
in public or see at an event and they'll walk
up to me and say, hey, how are you? My name is.
And. I was smiling inside. And once we started
talking, oh, yeah, I reached out to you on on
this platform. Oh, really? Blah, blah, blah.
Oh, well, we have so many guys reaching out to
us. And so how many other guys have reached out
to you who are decent guys? And those are the
same couples who usually complain because they
went for the guy who's who buried his soul on
his profile, who is probably a super emotional
dude. No offense to the guys who bury their soul
on their profile. You know. And they're like,
oh, it didn't work. Well, that's because I was
trying to have a conversation, you know, like
I would if I already meet you in a regular place.
So it's very to me, it's a lot harder for a dude.
And I don't I'm not trying to make it seem like
I have a hard time getting because I don't, you
know. But it doesn't count because I've been
in lifestyle for X amount of years and we are
party promoters and we do all this. So I think
of if it's challenging for me with all of my
experience, what about all these other guys?
You know, how many guys have the same couples
that complain they can't find a good guy and
the ones who have been feeding Mike this Kool
-Aid, force feeding him the Kool -Aid, they be
complaining and they shit on. A whole group of
guys who would have been great guys and who would
have been worthy had they not had this holier
than thou. You know, you have to worship my wife
because I have one attitude. I don't have that
attitude. I'm humble when people reach out to
us unless they, you know, say some dumb shit
like, hey, I'm in town. I want to fuck. Well,
you got to do a little better than that. And
I'm actually reading that now. It's literally
a message that my wife got or we got on our profile
this weekend. We never spoken to this person
before. Don't even know the guy. Just Ham and
Tom want to fuck. No. But I'm done. I'm done
abusing Mike. Listen, Socrates, it's your turn.
I'm done abusing Mike because I have too much
fun doing it. It ain't never abusing me because
I know how you roll. You know what I'm saying?
Come on in, nephew. All right, all right, Socrates.
Come on in, come on in. I want to piggyback on
the example that Michael was saying. So you got
a guy, he's lying. And I call that fuckboys,
right? So one of the reasons why I got into the
lifestyle, because I can't do that. I can't keep
my lies straight. You know, I don't like dealing
with two women on drama, not ten. So my thing
for you, cousin, is it's the same thing. We was
just talking about in Splash. A woman, a cuck
that lies, you was just putting me up on game.
You know these cucks be lying that they want
to help. But what they really want to do is they
buy and they want to suck some dick. So they
go through that process. And that's fine. Your
journey is your journey. And then some women
lie and say, yeah, I'll play with him or I like
him or I don't want this or I don't want that
to please her husband. And then me and Mr. Mocha
were talking about earlier today. Some people
lie about their own desires. Well, this is what
I want. Now what you really want is some other
freaky shit, but you don't want nobody to know
you want that. You know what I'm saying? So my
point is, that's why I call it a triangle, is
because my thing is this. The answer is be adoptable
and have a tool bag. You're a couple, be adoptable,
have a tool bag. You're a bull, be adoptable,
have a tool bag. You're a couple, you're going
to have unique challenges of being a couple.
They're not better, worse, less, more than anybody
else. You have unique couples in that dynamic.
You're a bull, you have struggles or things you
have to overcome or things you need to build.
You got to build a tool bag too. And what my
point is, is I disagree with Mr. Mocha because
he was saying, well, you know, you got two couples
that you got this couple that don't have their
stuff together. and they're struggling, well,
guess what? If the bull doesn't have his shit
together, he's going to be struggling too. He's
going to have problems too. So it's like he was
advising me, you know, man, know your kinks.
You don't have to tell nobody your kinks, but
know your kinks, man. Like Michael said, the
hard dick don't lie. You know, and you're going
to come up with some shit where your brain says,
I ain't supposed to like that. But your dick
said, well, hold on, we'll look a little bit
more into that. You know what I'm saying? And
so my point is, that's why I call it a triangle,
because I don't want to hear you got more problems
than me. Because I know what it's like when me
and my wife are on the hunt together, like Mr.
Mocha and Mrs. Mocha. I know how easy that is
for my wife to make the wife feel more comfortable.
I know that's easier as a couple than me having
to go to a woman and convince both of them I'm
the man. See, I don't look at it as convincing.
Because when you say convinced, that means you
feel like you're trying to sell something. No,
no, no. I know what you're saying. I'm not trying
to sell something. What I mean is I'm there.
I'm brushing my teeth. I'm going to the gym.
I'm learning body language. I'm learning how
to talk, spoke to folks in order to get her comfortable.
Like you said, I see somebody I like. Okay, I
like hourglass. She could be three hours, two
hours, or one hour. I don't care. I like hourglass.
Boom, there it is. I got an hourglass. She's
in my sight. Boom. I need to do something to
get her to feel comfortable. I need to get her
husband to feel comfortable. I need to get her
joking and laughing. I'm not funny. I'm the least
funniest brother around here. I got to learn
how to share some fucking jokes. I have to do
all these things. to work hard at trying to get
her to understand I'm the right guy for the job.
And I'm saying is that is, you got to do the
same thing. You guys got to talk together. The
bull can lie. The cut, the cut, the cut coaches
can lie and the bull can lie, but we all need
tools and a tool bag to me. Maybe. Okay. So when
I self evaluate, Maybe because of where I started,
which was from the bottom, as far as the confidence
aspect of things. Maybe my pendulum is swung
too far over to the other side. Because what
I've learned is if I'm not somebody's steelo,
game, bag, whatever, if I'm not their cup of
tea. The moment I learned that I'm not their
cup of tea, bro, I'm not thinking about it. I'm
not thinking about it. They're gone to me. Like,
that's just not weighing on my conscience. I'm
not, why is it so hard? I'm on to the next. So,
like I said, maybe my pendulum has swung too
far to the other side. Maybe it'll fall back
to the middle someday. But where it is right
now, I'm not trying to convince anybody. Like
I always quote Nas, I got no game. It's just
some bitches understand my story. I'm just going
to be me. I'm just going to spit what I'm about.
I'm going to spit what I'm looking for. If you're
not with that, good luck. Kick rocks. I'm out.
I'm on to the next. I'm on to the next. I know,
but there's a difference between being authentic.
Yeah, but maybe I'm not using it right. When
I say game, condense, that's all about look.
My mouth is my mouth, but I would rather come
with my mouth brushed than not. My clothes is
my clothes, but I would rather them be ironed
and proper and all of that. What I'm saying is,
I'm not talking about trying to convince you.
Are you saying that you want to be attractive
to someone? Is that what you're saying? You're
trying to make yourself attractive? It's not
just attractive. What I'm saying is, if it was
just as easy as... Oh, go down to the basement
and pick. And whoever's the best is the best.
But like Mr. Mocha say, some of them don't even
know they done picked something up. And because,
like you say, I've heard some crazy stuff. I've
heard people say, well, like you said, I mean,
damn near, you know, your eyebrows are not tailored.
Like, I don't do my eyebrows. My white woman,
I don't want my eyebrows to be manicured or whatever
you want to call it. I've heard people. say that.
So that's on you that you don't know how to pick.
And I'm saying it ain't easier or harder than
anybody else because you gotta get some skills
on how to pick. Like, I need to develop skills
on how to chase. I'm saying you taught me, hey
man, be yourself. You know? Be your authentic
self. I'm not mad if she doesn't choose me. No,
what I'm saying is the topic's still the same.
No. The topic is still the same. It's equal.
And if you got a unique challenge, that's cool,
but we all got challenges. And I disagree even
with you, Mr. Mocha. I'm not okay with anybody
saying any part of this triangle, well, we got
it harder. We got it harder over here. Maybe
you got it harder for something because you got
to deal with a bull and you got to deal with
a cuck or a cuck angster. Maybe you have to deal
with that, but that don't mean I don't have an
equal weighted problem over here that maybe you
don't have to deal with, but we both over here
having challenges. Needing to be attractive,
needing to handle our business, needing to overcome,
right, and deal with our unique challenges. I
understand your struggles. That's why we're in
the lifestyle. I mean, that's why we do podcasts,
because I want me and my wife's podcast to help
you with that. I want to give you as many tools
in your tool bag as possible. That's why we're
here. But don't come at me with, oh, we got it
worse. Let me ask you a question. Why is it so
important for you? for your struggle to be equal
to theirs? It's not important. No, no, no. It's
in your voice. It's important. It's important.
No, no, no. What I mean by that, let me explain
that. It's not that it's important. I have a
problem with anybody. I have a problem with anybody
trying to make their challenges or something
harder. Anybody else. And we brought this up
in the hot tub. I have a 501c3 called Young Black
Men's Academy. And my argument is only people
in the country that have a different excuse is
black people. Because we didn't choose to get
here. We were stopped at every turn. And we have
all kind of things trying to keep us down. The
Indians don't. The Indians don't. The Jews don't.
They got to deal with racism. They have to deal
with this or that. But they didn't have to deal
with us. But besides that, everybody else. Hold
on, hold on, hold on. You just did what you just
said you didn't want to happen. So you just said
black people have the right. Nobody can compare
their problem with the problems of black people.
You know what I'm saying? Two things I always
say, and I said it earlier. When it comes to
the lifestyle, I think that that's something
that's within the lifestyle. We ain't talking
within this conversation. We ain't saying that
you had, it's not the race that makes it easier
or harder. You know what I'm saying? And if you
step into the lifestyle and you know, you're
coming to lifestyle and saying, Oh, well your
plight can't be harder than mine because of this
or that. Then at this point you, You're dealing
with some of your own demons, so you shouldn't
even be in that space. But I will say this. In
my opinion, there are certain things and certain
categories where single guys are going to have
a harder time than couples. And there are certain
categories where couples are going to have a
harder time than single guys. All right. Just
like in a situation where right now we're just
simply we've only talked about. The initial meeting,
we haven't even talked about the emotional things
that, you know, couples and and singles go through.
I think Mike and I, our first debate was our
very first debate on cucks or couple couples
and hot wife couples versus single males was
we were talking about a situation. where a single
male and a wife got too close and it created
some emotional damage within the relationship.
And our debate at that time was Mike felt that
the male, single male, should have been careful
and he bared responsibility for not being aware
that the wife was falling for him. And he should
have basically stepped back and toned that down.
And me being me and my usual, me being me, I
was like, the fuck you mean? He ain't married
to her. They not married. Why does he have responsibility?
And then that's when, you know, me and Mike.
There I go being ethical again. Yeah, yeah, you
know, Mike being super ethical. Mike trying to
be ethical and me going, hey, that ain't my job.
My job is not. Don't be in the title, E &M. Hey,
listen. Ethical non -monogamy. Hey, but listen.
Hey, no man can be unethical. When he asked my
wife for consent. No man can be unethical with
any consensual act that he does with my wife.
Don't nobody got to call me and say, hey, your
wife said that you were OK with us playing. Man,
I'm not married to you. I appreciate you giving
me that respect. If you feel that's a respectful
thing, but my wife is my wife and me and her,
our shit is together. And she's the only person
I hold responsible for anything y 'all do. If
you did it with her consent and her permission.
And if you convinced her, if you conned her,
if you tricked her to give you some pussy, she
did it consensually. And so even if between her
and I, that wasn't a way to go. I'm married to
her. I've got a commitment to her. I'm not going
to be mad at that man because I'm not married
to him. If a dude can come take my wife, she
wasn't mine. I feel you on that. So that was
where, so that, so that's where we, we had a
good fight on that one. Me and Mike Duke, that
went out for forever. So, but now there's caveats
to that position. Ethical. Okay. Yeah. Like,
think about, okay, so here's the conversation
that Mr. Moop is talking about. My point was,
when we deal with these couples, especially the
newer couples, we, and I'm talking about experienced
bulls, like dudes that know they shit, right?
you know that you're bringing in an energy that
she's probably unaccustomed to. In other words,
you know that you're bringing, you know it's
possible for her to get caught up. So I look
at it a lot like, you know, you all have kids.
I'm sure at some point in time you chaperoned
a field trip. You know what I'm saying? And it's
like when you chaperone that field trip, You
know what the kids want to do. They want to eat
cotton candy and milkshakes and all that. And
then when you see them wanting to get on that
tilt the world, you're like, I don't think that's
a good idea. That's not going to match. You're
going to get sick. You know what I'm saying?
So that's kind of how I look at this. Like, I
know that it's possible for them to get caught
up because of the energy that I'm bringing into
this space that she's probably unaccustomed to.
So if I see things heading in that direction,
if I see her getting caught up ethically, I'm
going to put a stop to that. Like, hey, wait
a minute. This is not the direction that you
want to take this in. I get why you're feeling
what you're feeling. I'm going to be the chaperone.
You know what I'm saying? Because I've experienced
this. I've seen this. This is all new to her.
I mean, this is all coming at her fast. All these
feelings, all these emotions, all these thoughts.
So as the chaperone. I got to take a step back
and save her from herself. Like you about to
make a mistake that you really not trying to
do. Now what Mr. Mocha is saying is it's not
my responsibility to do that. If she wants to
do that, I should let her do it. I should let
her go ahead and make that mistake. All I'm saying
is ethically, I can't allow myself to make that
mistake because I've seen this movie. I've seen
this movie before. I ain't saying that that's
what I'm doing. Okay, let's just be clear. Let's
be clear. Let's be clear. We weren't talking
about me doing this to someone. We were talking
about a situation with somebody else and me saying,
it's wrong either way, but the bad guy is not
the single person. Because... It's the couple
who did not discuss what they, you know what
I mean? They didn't have that in their rules,
their boundaries, et cetera, et cetera. Didn't
communicate properly. And that happened. Yep.
And find me a woman who you can say, hey, listen,
let me save you from yourself. Okay? This dick's
so good, you're going to get caught up. So for
your own safety, I thank you. Hey, listen, I
say this often. My arrogance has boundaries.
Okay, I'm not going that far. And then remember
from experience. Like Kenny Rogers said, man,
you got to know when to fold them, bro. You got
to know when to walk away. You got to know when
to walk away. So now I agree. I agree. You get
a stage five clinger. Yeah, listen, I know. I've
been there. I've been there. So, but see, now
here's the thing. Like, we're not talking about
the guy who walked away. We're talking about
a guy who did not walk away when it was probably
the ethical thing to do. And not saying he wasn't
a scumbag because that guy is, I do have less
respect for a guy who going to go in and allow
himself to get caught up in that type of situation
with a man's wife within the lifestyle. Okay.
When you know that she's taking things further
than they're supposed to be taken and you're
taking it with her, that's unethical. But when
we start talking about who bears the responsibility,
I feel like you diminish women. By saying that
you, as a grown woman who has lived in this world.
And who is aware of your emotions and who's had
sex and who's experienced things. You don't have
emotional wherewithal to deal with me because
I'm not I can take away your common sense. No,
I feel like if you so horny and you allow your
vagina to be taken over by some dude. who ain't
been with you for the last X amount of years,
when you were sick, throwing up, when you was
having his babies, when y 'all was suffering
together, when all of these things was happening,
if I can show up with some dick and take you,
then the problem ain't with the dude that showed
up with the dick. Cause the only thing he provided
was a dick and a silver tongue. So would I be
mad at him? I'll call him a scumbag, but it wasn't
his fault. No. Is there just this super, irresistible
amount of swag? No. It's just you made a decision.
If a motherfucker show up with a billion dollars
and tell my wife, hey, divorce your husband and
marry me for this billion dollars, she got a
decision to make. I mean, I'm going to tell her,
you better do it and come back and take care
of daddy later, but that's irrelevant. But it's
the same thing if somebody shows up with some
great desirable dick and energy, she's wise enough.
and strong enough emotionally to make a decision.
I don't have super dick. I don't believe in super
dick. You know, I think I'm giving out some good
meat, premium, but not enough to make you get
up and without responsibility, like my dick hypnotized
you. I was dignitized. I don't know what I was
doing. It's his fault. Fuck that. So let me ask
you a question. Have you ever had a wife get
caught up? Yes, I have. I like how you begrudgingly
admit it. Now, did you do anything intentionally
to get her caught up? The silence is deafening.
Okay. All right, so I have to answer this question
a certain way. To the level in which she was
caught up? No. But... You know when you deal
with a couple and the husband says, hey, this
is what I want you to do. But you know what it's
like when the husband says, hey, I want you to
be... Her boyfriend, I want you to to make her
feel this way. I want you to communicate with
her throughout the day. I travel. I want you
to do this, this and this. And I say, you understand
what you're asking for. And he says, yes. And
I say, no, you don't. Let me explain to you how
this will go. And you tell me if this is what
you want, because I have been with couples where
the husband said he wanted it. She wanted that.
And I gave her that experience. And she was very,
very much into me. And we had a really great
relationship. I have had a few situations where
I've had a situation where the husband changed
his mind. I was never intentionally trying to
make. A woman leave her husband. And the conversation
that you and I originally had was, I believe,
somebody allowing the wife, either the wife was
going to leave the husband for the dick. I never
did that. But do I always put my best foot forward?
And if you say, hey, I want her to experience
real emotions and I want you to develop a real
bond with her, you know, especially at the time
when I was single. Oh, you're going to love me.
Now, if you start... I think you told me something
before because of what you had experienced, what
your mindset was when you first got into the
lifestyle. It might even have been before you
got into the lifestyle. You were trying to break
people up. No, no, no. That wasn't lifestyle.
That wasn't lifestyle. That was... After I got
my first divorce and my feelings was hurt, I
was out there being a scumbag with non -lifestyle
married women. I was the only fucking married
woman. You're the homewrecker. No, hold on. Let's
get this straight. I wasn't trying to make them
leave their husband. I was just trying to make
them cheat on their husband. If we're going to
be honest, let's be honest. I didn't want those
responsibilities. But keep in mind, this is before
Lifestyle, so don't judge me. I was honest about
my scumbaggery. Okay. I was honest about it,
but that scumbaggery did not, I wasn't doing
that in the lifestyle. That scumbaggery was outside
of lifestyle. And when I was being a scumbag,
I knew I was being a scumbag. You know what I'm
saying? And even still. I take my dick out of
somebody and be like, hey, hey, hey, hey. Be
nice to your husband this weekend. You've been
out here fucking. You know what I'm saying? I'm
not trying to take you. I'm just trying to get
a little bit of ass. You wanted to show up at
your doorstep. Like, I left him. Hey, hey. Hey,
they knew better than that. But, hey, I was young.
I mean, I was in my 20s at that time. And I was
mad. My feelings was hurt. I was mad. Savage.
Animal. Savage. Animal. But hey, had she left,
it still wouldn't have been my fault. Let the
church say amen on that. Mike, I got a question.
Let the church say amen on that. Me and you believe
in. Preach. You said what now? Mike, I got a
question. Me and you believe in super dick. I
know Mr. Mocha don't. I believe in super dick.
But here's the fucking thing. Mr. Mocha's the
most super dickish out of all of us. I know.
I know. I know. Hey, man. Watch your mouth. Watch
your mouth. Watch your mouth. Hey, you got the
Sigma male over there. Hey, y 'all ain't even
talking. I'm not going to put his business in
the streets, but hey, he being quiet. Let me
say this. Let me say this. It's funny. It's funny
how, you know, you guys have been talking about
that. And no one has, like, really thought about,
I'm living this right now. In the trouble that
I'm in. You know what I'm saying? I'm actually
living this right now. Okay? Maybe not the fact
that I went into it trying to make somebody leave
her husband. No. But the fact that, yeah, she
did get caught up. Yeah, she saw another side
of me. like three or four different sides of
me other than just the fool. And boom, it became
like y 'all saw it, saw it, you know, at Splash,
the holding of the hands and then, you know,
the husband is there and we all hate thruffle.
So, you know what I mean? That's just funny to
me that like nobody's really like thought about
that and asked me, you know, who be, you know,
what did you do or, you know, how did you, you
know, navigate? Oh, I thought about it. I just
went and threw rocks at you. Let's do it again.
I mean, I know the answer because we've talked,
but if you want to bless the congregation, what
kept you from blowing it up, like blowing their
shit up? No, I had no intention of blowing their
stuff up. No, no intention. Never. That's never
my intention. Could we call it ethics? Could
we call it ethics? My ethically appropriate word?
You can. You can. You can. You can. You can.
But at the same time, though, you know, I saw
something in her. I saw something in her that
reminded, you know, she was kind of like the
female version of me. You know what I mean? Especially
sexually and all that stuff like that. But there
was another side that I saw to her and them.
You know what I'm saying? So that made me show
them one other side of me. And again, planets
lined, you know, are lined up. And next thing
we know, you know, hey, we're going, you know,
to places all three of us holding hands. You
know what I'm saying? So that's, but at no time,
though, did I go into it like I did when I was
like Mocha in my 20s. I was just wanting to.
You know, hey, it ain't my fault. You know what
I'm saying? I'm just laying it down. If it happens,
it happens. And like I said, y 'all should have
talked about that. You know, I'm just being Brian.
That's it. I'm just being that BBC bull coming
in and laying it down. And then, you know, if
I check off all the boxes and, you know, she
falls, then so be it. But, you know, I'm like
Rakim, you know. In the song, I got to hit the
streets and I'm done, you know what I'm saying?
I'm gone. I'm gone. Bust three and flee? Huh?
Nothing, go ahead. No, I'm just saying. I said
bust three and flee? Hey man, hey man, that's
it. You know, that was it. That was it. That
was my M .O. Back then in my 20s and, you know,
really the start of the 30s. Hell, the 30s too.
That was the M .O., bro. Especially, you know.
getting introduced to the escorting world along
with it. So, hell yeah. I ain't have no damn
fucking emotions. It was just come in, you know,
play and roll out. But are we talking about two
different things? Because I believe in Super
Dick and you can come with Super Dick, but it's
still not my responsibility. To me, Super Dick
is us. I read them. Me and you read body language
books. Man, come on. We spend hours in the gym,
right? I've read books on how to talk to women,
how to approach. You know, I'm a master at this
shit, right? So I'm going to be able to, like
you said, well, I didn't do that much to make
her that. crazy with me no brother you not in
your mind but you put some super dick on her
and she went crazy on some stuff you didn't think
she was going crazy on but she went crazy because
you were thinking i'm in atlanta there's all
these women around me or there's all these other
things around me some women don't have that kind
of know how to deal with a guy that is you know
like say dark gable know how to speak to women
deep voice Big hands, so you already know they're
assuming you packing. You know, all this stuff
you got, man, that's super dick. Allergic reaction.
He got that allergic reaction and everything.
He just swollen all over the goddamn place. Walking
around, he got a fever and allergy. Like, all
I got to do is rub peanut butter on my whole
body. And the next thing you know, he's got muscles
in his toes. Nah, listen, but y 'all keep the
super dick. I don't know what y 'all talking
about. Y 'all clowns. Y 'all clowns. Listen,
old age is solving that problem for me. But,
you know, hold on. We got to get back on the
super dick concept because the only reason I
came over to super dick. So, first things first,
the whole super dick thing was me fucking with
Socrates about something. That's where that came
about. The whole super dick concept came up because
I was saying that it's not possible for somebody
to walk in and just completely hypnotize a group
of women. and make them forget everything about
themselves and, and make them bear no responsibility
for being inappropriate because, you know, some
person, because some dude came in who was attractive
with, you know, with a, with a bunch of charisma.
And so him and I was having this debate back
and forth, back and forth. And I was like, so
you think there's a such thing as super dick.
That's what you think. And he's like, yes. And,
and so therefore, Now, look, when I was saying
it originally, I was pissing him off. He was
pissed off when I first said it. That's how I
knew he was really my friend, because he talked
to me after that conversation. That's how I knew
he was really friends, because I was like, I
wasn't even going easy on him. And he talked
to me like the very next day, like, oh, shit,
we are cool. I'm not saying that a dude can't
show up and provide a woman with a great experience.
In fact, I'm not saying that a guy can't show
up and provide a woman with an experience that
makes her fantasize about a different, an alternate
reality because everyone's been there. We done
had some pussy that's so good that it's like,
damn, what if I had this every day? I mean, I
done thought about, damn, I wish I could move
her into the basement. Maybe her and my wife
can be sister wives. That kind of pussy scares
me. Yeah, I think a lot of my wife looks like
she's about to shank me. That shit scares me.
Yeah, listen, bring it on. If I die, I die. I
had a buddy of mine, he kicked all his friends
out of his house when his girl came to stay with
him. Turned his back on all of us, and I was
like, I hope I never find pussy that good. That
kind of pussy scares me. but it's not super pussy
it's a person it's an adult making a conscious
decision to do what they want to do I don't believe
in excusing behaviors because of outside sources
there's no pussy good enough to make me leave
my wife okay there's no dick good enough to make
her leave me Where it's not saying she she can't
be taken away, but it's not because the dick
came in and boggled her mind to a place where
she's forgotten all 15 years and everything that
we went through. And she bears no responsibility.
Honey, I couldn't turn down the penis. Like,
no, no, it's she's a grown woman. She decided
she rather that and she decided to take a risk.
That's my thing when it comes to anything, when
it comes to like a couple where there's a bull
and there's a wife and the wife decides, you
know something, I'm going to leave you because
I want to be with my bull. Okay. No, his dick
ain't that good. She's not dumb. Can I say something?
I think, and I get why we're doing it, but I
think we're all kind of, and I'm taking a conversation
somewhere where we hadn't. intended it to go.
But I can't do this without being real. I think
we're ignoring the elephant in the room. I've
heard the term mentioned several times in this
conversation. We all belong to the same lifestyle,
which is what? Let me rephrase that. We've all
been to Splash. What is the theme of Splash?
Generations. Generations? Who's looking for what?
They're looking for black men. Here you go. Here
you go. This brotherhood's for men whose stories
need to get told. Say it loud. Say it loud. This
is who we are. Bold, confident, seductive. Dominant
and classy. We stand tall, never fall. Bull brotherhood.
Luxury untold.