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go. Welcome to another informative, and I do
mean informative, Bull Brotherhood podcast. And
this one is very, very special tonight because
I truly have all my brothers from the Bull Brotherhood
with me tonight. Of course, my partner in crime,
my nephew, Socrates. But also I have from the
Keaton Actions podcast, Michael C. Say what's
up, Mike? What's going on, everybody? Happy to
be here. And my other brother, my little brother,
my little big brother from the Old Faces podcast.
You know him as Mr. Mocha, a .k .a. Dr. Gable.
What's up, big bro? A .k .a. Devo. That's right,
a .k .a. Devo, Mr. Olympia. Don't add up. Why
I got to be Devo? I ain't even done nothing yet.
I ain't even done nothing yet. exactly exactly
and of course yours truly you know the Sigma
male himself Mr. Brian Morgan but I'm taking
a different approach tonight a different role
ladies and gentlemen I'm actually the model the
moderator for this podcast for this segment tonight
and the segment is one that we all are like really
have great conversations about and I really want
to hear these three brothers here go at it tonight.
This is going to be raw, uncensored, unfiltered.
Okay? This is like the roles and responsibilities
of, and I'm going to make it the three way, the
roles and responsibilities of not only the hot
wife couple, but the hot wife, the cuckold husband,
as well as the bull. Okay? This is stemming from
a conversation that took place about, what, a
week ago, y 'all? Last week? Mm -hmm. After a
wonderful utopia weekend in Palm Springs, California,
okay? So on that note, I'm going to turn it over
to my nephew, Socrates, and he's going to bring
you up to speed on what that conversation started
and what it's all about. Go ahead. Yes, sir.
Yeah, so... To me, it was a continuation of a
debate that Mr. Mocha and Michael C are having
as far as that is concerned. And we were in hot
tub, just kind of like going over the weekend,
you know, talking about how successful it was.
And the subject came up about responsibilities
of the bull versus the cuckold and the challenges
that they face. And listening to Mr. Mocha and
Michael, I thought that Mr. Mocha was saying
something and Michael was saying another, but
I got a little bit more clarity on what Michael
was saying, and I wasn't feeling it. I was like,
I didn't think you thought that way, brother.
So that's what we got. So I would rather have
Michael state his position, and then I state
mine. I don't know what you guys think about
that. And then I don't know if you guys want
me and him to debate that, or then Mr. Mocha
can step in. Why don't you speak on where you
went off track or where our opinions diverge
so that the people kind of know what the starting
point is. Yeah, yeah, that's a better idea. Because
you know Mike is going to start throwing rocks
in a minute. So you better go ahead and start
throwing your rocks first. I get first pitch.
I get first pitch. You better take that pitch
and you might want to throw a fastball. Yeah,
I was going to say, y 'all put me on the spot.
When he counters, brother, it's over, okay? So
go ahead. These two brothers have been doing
this for a minute, so they already know I'm the
amateur coming in. Okay. You didn't jump in today.
Here we go. So, yeah. So it actually sparked
because me and Brian and my wife, Siren, we were.
We're going to have an episode called Circles,
Triangles, and Squares. And my thesis, my perspective
in the Cutco lifestyle, that's a triangle, meaning
equal challenge, equal opportunity, equal responsibilities,
divergent, like unique situations, right? Everybody
has their unique things that they have to deal
with. When somebody will, I think what we diverge
is when somebody presented as if Michael was
saying, look, man, a little bit, you got some
of these bulls out here and they on some bullshit.
Right. And these couples come together and they
get there. Not everybody, not every couple. I
know Mike's not saying that. Not every couple
is on some bullshit, but some of these couples
will come together and they'll get their shit
together and they'll try to come correct. and
you have to kind of deal with a whole bunch of
bulls that, one, half of them or a lot of them
call themselves a bull, but they ain't. You know,
I know that's his position, which we agree on.
A lot of them come in correct, which we agree
on, and that kind of makes it kind of tilt the
scale. That's what I understood, and that's where
I feel like we disagree. It's like it kind of
tilts the scale in the fact that the couple,
the cuckold couple is kind of dealing with something
a little bit. more or more challenging than the
bull is. Okay. I think if I recall correctly,
when I was talking about the ups and downs and
just the trials that the couple has to go through,
you were trying to equate that to basically the
stuff that the bulls have to deal with. And what
I'm saying is, Oh, go ahead. Well, no, what I
was saying is, I guess as a, as a, as a bull,
this is the way that I look at it. You can kind
of determine what level of involvement you want.
You know what I'm saying? Like it can be as,
as, as, as basic as you want it to be, or it
can be as involved as you want it to be. Obviously,
it depends on what the couple is looking for.
One of the things that I hang my hat on personally
is adaptability. Whatever you're looking for,
I probably got that in my tool bag. The question
is, do I want to give it to you? I'm not here
to force what I want on anybody. I really don't
get down like that. I guess you have two different
approaches. I know boys out there who they kind
of have a script and they want couples to adhere
to that script. I'm not here to say what is better,
what is right or wrong. I just know that that
particular approach doesn't appeal to me personally
because what winds up happening is all of my
encounters wind up looking like each other. You
know what I'm saying? So I personally like to
adapt. to what a couple is looking for because
that ensures that there's that variety. You know
what I'm saying? Because each couple has different
needs. So, you know, from a bull's perspective,
I think not that our path is easy, just easier
because let's be honest, it's a lot easier for
us to find what we're looking for than it is
for them to find what they're looking for. But
I'll just leave it at that for now and let brothers
expound on that and kick it around and do whatever
with it. Yeah, so Mr. Mocha, did you want to
chime in or you want me to keep going on? No,
keep going. I'm not jumping in until I can start
throwing rocks. Oh, you're just sitting on the
side waiting for whoever. At the moment, y 'all
both being real politically correct. So I'm going
to wait till the politically correctness falls
off. And then I'm going to jump in because otherwise
I'll be the asshole as usual. And I'm going to
wait till y 'all start being an asshole. So please
continue, brother. So basically he waited for
the first fade to get played. Yes, I am. I am
not here to take the high road. Okay. Yeah. So
my thing is, well, once again, Well, I'll tell
the audience, I consider myself the lowest guy
on the totem pole to junior guy. I'm learning
from these cats. So what I will say is, not from
my experiences, not from the bulls that I've
talked to, it's hard enough for me to find couples
that I want to rock with, that I jog with, that
ain't on some bullshit, or that has good communication,
or they have things worked out between themselves.
So I don't think it's easier. That's because
you live in East Jablip. Maybe, okay. But look,
I've heard from the same thing from cats that
were at Utopia, that were sharing their concerns
and their struggles, and they live on your side
of the town. You know what I'm saying? So I know
cats that live in Atlanta that I've talked to.
He's not part of the splash thing, but he lives
in the same area as my family do. And he's saying.
It's a problem. I got to go to E -Town to get
what I need. I got to come to the West Coast.
I'm going to put it like this. Let me chime in
right quick. Go ahead, Mike. Go ahead. I was
going to say what this reminds me of is it reminds
me of the same thing I hear about guys, you know,
in the lifestyle, quote, unquote, dominant guys
who say that, you know, they can't find a submissive.
You know what I'm saying? And my thing is. You
know, you can blindfold me, spin me in a circle
10 times, and let me throw a rock, and I'm going
to hit a sub in the head. You know what I'm saying?
Like, they're everywhere. So my thing is, if
you're having trouble finding them when they're
hiding in plain sight, and I've said this to
many dudes, you're not ready to have one because
they are there. I mean, and I'm not an extra
clairvoyant dude. I mean, it's not like I got
special powers. It's just having a conversation.
I mean, knowing how to get the information that
you're looking for through conversation and through
talking to them. But I can't subscribe to the
notion that they're not around, especially if
you live in a heavily populated area. You know
what I'm saying? So maybe I'm misunderstanding
what you guys are talking about now. See, I'm
a little slow. What is the question? Are we discussing
it's hard for couples to find the guy and it's
just as hard for guys to find the couple? Is
that what we're discussing? Well, the premise
is it's a principle. The principle, and I call
it the triangle, is because take out the little
small intricacies of finding versus the good
people. Because I was more about finding good
couples. I would say the same thing about a bull.
Throw a rock and you can find a bull anywhere.
We can't find good quality bulls. That's what
they're complaining. That's why it's harder for
them. I'd say it was the same thing. Go online,
find any dude that's calling himself a bull,
but the problem is you're going to run into some
problems when you find out he's not really a
dominant, he's not really a bull. He don't really
know what he's talking about. I'm saying I ran
into the same problem. I get a couple and they
know all the way what they're talking about.
And then next thing you know, you're taking it
to the woman like you're supposed to, and they
argue. That ain't no good experience for me.
You're making it weird. You know what I'm saying?
So I'm saying whatever challenges that you will
put on a couple, it might not be the exact same
particular challenge, but it's in the same bucket.
In other words, I got challenges too. It ain't
easier for you. You got two people. So I sat
there and watched couples support each other.
I've watched them lift each other up. You know,
you're the cuckiest cuck I've ever seen. Well,
you're the hottiest hot wiper. You know, and
them build each other up. And the arguments and
all the things that make them allow them to develop
their skills. Well, I had you, bro, and I didn't
even know you. The only thing I had is I wish
this nigga would stop fooling around with his
drink. That's the only thing I can say. This
nigga was always with a drink in his hand. You
know, but I had you. I'm just messing with you,
but that's my point. I'm over here by myself.
After I got divorced, I was by myself and I had
to figure this out by myself. And I had to listen
to some podcasts and figure some things out.
And I wasn't smart enough to email you. I should
have probably just emailed you and asked you
a question, but I didn't. So it's like, yeah,
that's cool. They do have problems, but it ain't
more than me. Like you got, if you balance it
all out is equal in my mind. That's what I'm
saying. I mean, I guess you can make anything
more difficult than it has to be. I think for
us, especially, you know, we use the term quality
bull a lot. When you're in that position, personally,
I think we're operating from a position of abundance.
You know what I'm saying? Like when you know
your worth and if somebody's bringing it to you
and you feel like they're not appreciating what
you bring to the table, then. You know, you keep
it moving and you keep it pushing. But when you
know that you have what they're looking for,
I mean, when you know that you check those boxes,
I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm alone in that.
I'll ask Brian and Mr. Mocha, do you guys feel
like it's a scarcity for you to find what you're
looking for? I think, and this is just speaking
for me, it's an experience thing for me. When
I first started, when I first started, I was
just swinging. So, I mean, I guess I fell into
the, what, the BBC Bull category. You know, I
wasn't really looking for the, let's say, I guess
the quality couple. You know, all I saw was a
couple. You know, he may be a little submissive,
and hell, I really didn't care if he was submissive
or not. And, you know, I just wanted the wife.
And then as I got older, I started to understand,
you know, the cuckold world more. And so here
again, I evolved. You know, I was looking for
certain types of couples that, like you said,
might check those boxes. And now at my age, you
know, I'm definitely looking at certain types
of couples. So I'm thinking on the experience
level. You know, you're evolving as you stay
in this life for a long time. Like, Mike, you've
been in this life, what, 30 years? Close to it.
Close to 30 years. You know, I've done it for
a very, very long time. D, you've done it for
a very, very long time, correct? Mm -hmm. Very
long. So, I mean, you know what I'm saying? I'm
looking at it in those terms. Maybe I am. Maybe
y 'all can elaborate more, D or Mike. You know
what I'm saying? But that's how I look at it.
Can I say something real quick? Go ahead. Go
ahead, D. All right, so. Oh, no. Yeah, go ahead.
So, to answer Mike's question. Like if we're
talking about. I don't I don't think I don't
think as as a as a single male, I've ever had
as much access to couples as couple as couples
have had to me. So I'm sitting here literally
right now looking at my single SDC profile and
my couple's SDC profile. And here's the difference.
Over the last year. I've probably been reached
out to 15 times. Okay. On our couples profile,
we probably get reached out to 15 times a week.
I think couples tend to be in a position where
they have so many options and so much to filter
through. They're trying to determine, OK, which
which guy do I choose? Which profile do I choose?
How do I know which guy is the right guy for
me? For me personally, out of the probably 15
people who've reached out to me this year, I'd
say only three or four of those caught my interest.
And out of the three or four of those that caught
my interest, I responded back to those three
or four and they respond back. Very randomly
or spotty. They send me a message. I respond.
And then two months later, they respond with,
hey. Now, to say that it's easier for a single
guy to find couples, bull, whatever it may be,
I think that's total bullshit. Because every
couple, you know. Excuse me, I'm not going to
say every 99 .9 percent of couples, you know,
who have a profile with a real a decent pick
of the couple on there. Always complain about
being inundated with messages or being inundated
with options. So whether they think the guy's
a dumb fuck or not, they have that. Now, you
take a single guy's profile. Most of us do not
get inundated with options. So when we start
talking about who has the most options, couples
are usually frustrated trying to file through
the guys. Now, if they make a shitty choice,
that's on them. And of all the couples I've reached
out to over the last year on my profile, it's
very rare that I'm going to get a response back.
Podcast them on anything like that, because I
want it to be from my standpoint. I want it to
be fair. I don't want you to say, oh, that's
Mr. Mocha. I want you to see me as any other
dude. And so I'm definitely not going to be on
team Mike when it comes to I can throw a rock
and find it anything, because even as far as
subs are concerned. We get chosen. As the guy,
we don't get to choose the couple or the female.
Now, once you choose me, I can then steer the
ship. But I'm waiting to be chosen to steer the
ship. Couples got a thousand motherfuckers standing
in line to be the one to steer the ship, as do
subs and females. So that's my take on it. Yeah,
so Mike, I don't know if you want to reply to
that because I have something I want to say.
I mean, if you, this is a question I have for
Mr. Mocha. So you feel like you're never, you're
not in the position to choose. I want to make
sure I'm understanding you correctly. No, no,
no. I said we're talking about numbers and options.
Couples. Most couples, and I'm sure you can hang
up and call 10 couples you know, and I guarantee
if they go to their profiles over the last 12
months, I guarantee they've had well over 100
people reach out to them. Oh, absolutely. Okay.
So now we're talking about they have more access
and more options and they have more to choose
from than your average single male. Or your average
bull. And on top of that, because most people,
when they look at a profile. They have so many
options to choose from. They're going to step
over most of the good guys anyways, because they
have too many fucking options. Me, I can send
out as many messages I want, but there is nothing
about. Me texting, that's going to make me different.
Now, if we go to an event and we're approaching
people in person and someone gets to see you,
talk to you, feel your vibe, that's a whole different
thing. But when we're talking about, realistically
speaking, that most of our interactions are going
to be in an online setting. Couples got... They
don't have to be. No, no, no, no, no. You skipped
two things I said. Number one, I said realistically.
Realistically, because we all have lives and
jobs, and we know that right now, technology,
social media... Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold
on. Splash don't happen once a week. So if you're
the type of dude that's only picking up people
during Splash, then okay, you are once again...
by narrowing your opportunities because you're
only trying to meet couples a couple times a
year. That's not realistic. Okay, so we're talking,
we're also keeping in mind the Splash universe
is something that only a small percentage of
people and our listeners out there know about.
Everyone don't even know about Splash yet. So
we're talking about the masses. And we're talking
about people all over the world. So we're talking
about cucks or cuckold couples, hot wife couples,
and bulls. Realistically, the main medium is
online. Now, if we're going to start throwing
in, you know, the what ifs or the possibilities
or the small likelihoods, then we're going to
get real sideways real fast. But we're going
to go for the vast majority. Of ways people contact.
And we know that's going to be online. And couples
got. Single dudes beat. Hand down. The only person
that's going to get more messages. Than couples
is going to be a unicorn. So that means. They
have the most options to choose from. And that
makes a big difference. If I got a hundred couples.
Reaching out to me a week. I guarantee. I'd be
able to choose something. I have a better pool,
a larger pool to choose from and be able to make
better decisions. Because on our couple's profile,
Mrs. Mocha has dick flying at her every day.
So she can go through there and pick through
that motherfucker like it's a buffet. Oh, you
know, his eyebrows. Fuck that guy. I don't have
that option. I mean, I'm like, oh, she only got
lazy. I am cool with lazy. You know what I'm
saying? I only got three options. Very well put.
Very well put. Mike, what you got? Okay, so as
far as the dearth of options that they have,
because remember, I have a couple's profile too,
so I see it. And the difference is the options
that couples have. I don't know if you ever went
to like the basement of a department store, right?
Like a Macy's or something or Stern's or whatever
department stores in your area back in the day
when your mom would go. And in the basement,
it looks like World War III, right? Like it's
just bins of clothes, like all over the place.
That's kind of what couples face. Like there's
a lot there, but they got to do a lot of digging
to find what they looking for. Like just because
a hundred guys are sending the messages. doesn't
mean that it's 100 quality guys sending the message.
And it don't mean that it ain't 99. Hold on,
hold on. You know, let me speak. So when we look,
no problem. I love you. When we look, it's a
little bit different. I love it. I love it. We
don't have to filter through as much because
we can pinpoint and go after exactly what we're
looking for. So for us, it's almost like shopping
in a thrift store. You know what I'm saying?
Like I'm going to find exactly what I want. Where
are the blazers at? I'm looking for a black blazer.
Okay, you don't have no black blazers here? Okay,
let me go to the next store. We don't have to
go through, like everything is organized in there.
So you can go exactly to what you're looking
for as opposed to what the couples face on a
lifestyle site, which is, everything being thrown
in a pile because no matter if a guy is quality
or not, you still have to open the email. You
know what I'm saying? Like they still have to
open it. There's no way to see who was a quality
person based off of just whatever their introduction
is. And yeah, you can kind of discount the guys
that send you those, you know, the haze, the
what's up, the she's hot, you know, the guys
who don't even know enough to put, you know,
a little something in their tagline, in their
intro. Your busters. Your busters. Yeah. Your
busters. They still have to go through all of
those messages. Now, when I brought up Splash,
I was just using Splash as an example. Anything
can be a Splash. I'm just talking about putting
yourself in a situation where you're actually
getting out and meeting real people. That can
be a munch. That can be a meet and greet. That
can be a party. You know, like... When I hear
you say what you say about the guys online and
not having opportunities and things like that,
what it reminds me of, and I'm not saying that
they're similar, but what it reminds me of is
when I hear dudes complain about not being able
to find a job. Like they're expecting a job to
just come and knock on their door. Like, knock,
knock, knock. Who is it? Job. Like, nah, motherfucker,
you got to get out there. You got to get it.
You got to get out there. And if you're not putting
the effort in, it's hard for me to feel sorry
for you. Because I'm going to ask you, okay,
what kind of effort you're putting it in? One
of the things that me and Mr. Mocha connected
on right away was music. I mean, he was familiar
with a friend of mine that... had a really, really
small music career. And one of the things we
would always laugh about, me and my buddy, was
whenever a dude would bump into somebody that
they know is in the music business, and they'd
be talking to them real quick, and they'd be
like, okay, you got your demo on you? If the
person said no, they would just count him immediately.
Like, how are you not prepared? How do you not
have a demo on you if this is what you're really
trying to do? If this is what you're really trying
to do, at the very least, your demo needs to
be out in the parking lot in your car. You know
what I'm saying? You need to always have your
music on you. You need to always be ready. What
do they say about luck? Luck is where preparation
and opportunity intersect. So if you're not out
there trying to make it happen, making mistakes,
learning from those mistakes, I'm sorry, it's
hard for me to have any kind of... Sympathy for
you. I'll pause you right there and just for
a quick second. So now you said where luck and
opportunity meets. No, no, no. I said luck is
where preparation and opportunity meets. I'm
sorry. Preparation. All right. And opportunity.
Excuse me. So let's just say the single guy is
very prepared and he has five opportunities.
The couple is very prepared, and they have 500
opportunities. Who's going to be the luckiest?
Well, the couple's going to have a lot more work
because they've got to sort through all those
opportunities. So now you sound like one of those
pretty girls. Oh, my God, so many guys want my
number. Yeah. That's completely different. It's
not different because they have to filter through
all the guys, and they're so used to being the
pretty girl. The unattractive girl over in the
corner would die to have those problems. Believe
you me, since I got to filter through all the
bullshit that comes through for my wife, I would
love to have that same problem with couples reaching
out to me. So that's just the way that it is.
But we can't complain about that. Exactly. So
that being said, going back to what Socrates
said and what you were talking about, I think.
You're seeing couples have it harder because
they have so much opportunity that it's hard
for them to choose one. And guys who have less
opportunity because they get to pinpoint. That
is very false. There are very, very, very few
guys because you said it earlier. Based upon
what you said earlier, I'm going to use your
own words for you. You have a whole bunch of
things in your bag to accommodate just about
any type of couple. That is not pinpointing,
my friend. That is you having a lot of things
because you're aware that there's such a variety
in couples. Fact of the matter is dudes have
very low criteria. Is she attractive? Yes, I'll
take it. Couples, you know, like you said, couples
are going to look at profile. Oh, he only said,
hey, he only said she's hot. I looked at a profile
yesterday. This chick had five pictures of her
ass on there, and she said, I know I got a great
ass. No need for you to tell me. Well, she put
that in her profile. So she advertised the cheeks.
She, you know, so, so you have that many options.
I've got so many, I'm like, there's no way I'm
going to put a picture of my dick on there and
be like, okay, ladies, I know I've got a great
cock. So many of your economy. No, nobody be
like, keep, keep sending it in. So I think when
you see how much opportunity couples have, I
have to go with Socrates where I say, you can't
say that. couples have it hard because they have
so many options damn you got so much money you
don't know what to do with it you poor people
got life easy you can only get ramen noodles
stop complaining Hey, I'm going to jump in here
because I've been trying to jump in on this.
Hey, elbow in. Me and Mike was playing on throwing
rocks at each other. We live for this. So let
me elbow my ass in this shit. What I'm saying,
to piggyback on both of y 'all, I think sometimes
there's a time to compare apples and oranges.
And this is it. When you're talking about fruit,
it's okay to compare apples and oranges. And
my point is this. The struggle is getting to
options for men. The struggle for the couple
is to sift through the options. They're both
a struggle is what I'm saying. They're all equal
because I got to get to the point where, like
Mr. Boca said, man, you know how hard it is to
get three, four of them to, you know, he's talking
about people to approach him. Cause he is dark
Gable. Well, I get zero. So I got to approach
a hundred percent. And plus my profile. I got
to work on my profile a little better, but I
got to work real hard to get you. And like you
said, I'm lucky to get the kind of woman that
I like. I'm lucky to kind of get the couple that
I like. Cause I got to work my ass off to get
there. Once I'm there, it's easier. Yeah. But
the whole point is you just, you showed up. it
started raining and now you mad because you ain't
got a raincoat on i'm like no bro like your struggle
is at the end my struggle is in the beginning
it's all this struggle that's my point This brotherhood's
for men whose stories need to be told. Say it
loud. Say it loud. This is who we are. Bold,
confident, seductive. Dominant and classy. We
stand tall, never fall. Bull brotherhood. Luxury
untold.