We set up this space. I rented out a dungeon
here in L .A. And we put Matt at the beginning
of the ceremony just to kind of have the candles,
have some incense to take in the space. I had
this music that I like to use that's very tribal.
You could pick whatever you like that speaks
to you. And we were able to create like before
there was anything sexual. We were able to create
this literal triangle between the three of us.
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Welcome to another invigorating episode of the
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What's going on, sweetie? Hey. All right. All
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What's good? What's good, y 'all? What's good?
All right. Now, ladies and gentlemen, again,
we have a very, very special guest coming at
us, coming at you from. the great state of california
we know him as the sapiosexual one himself ladies
and gentlemen please do a big big round of applause
and a hand for pagan what's going on brother
what's going on my people it's good to be back
with you all right all right it's definitely
a pleasure for you to be back ladies and gentlemen
tonight pagan is kind of going to take the lead
on a topic that he has mastered over the years
and one that i'm very very curious about um if
i'm not mistaken pagan is called what's Again?
Sex magic, which sometimes is spelled M -A -G
-I -C -K. Yeah, sex magic. That shit sounds sexy
as fuck. Again, Pagan is going to take the lead
tonight, and I'm going to pass the mic on to
him. Once again, coming at you from California,
the man himself, Pagan. Yeah, so, you know, I
appreciate you guys having me on to talk about
this. This is a subject that I have. I would...
not say that I am a master in this. I am trying
to get mastery in this. This is one of those
things, like many of the aspects of what you
guys talk about and being a bull, where you can
be like Socrates, the eternal student. But I
have learned quite a few things that I'll share
with people who are interested in kind of a one
-on -one, a 101, and try to explain it a little
bit from my point of view. One thing I will say
at the top, we say all the time in the lifestyle,
you know, there's no one way to do things. This
is the ultimate example of that to me. When it
comes to sex magic, if anybody is telling you
there's a way, stay away from that person. They
don't know what they're talking about. It is
very much dependent on the participants, what
they are interested in. the power that they harness
what is specific about the practitioner so i
just want to stress that you're going to hear
me talk about a lot of different things some
of which is going to be specific to the way i
approach it but please do not take that as the
way to do it it is a way to do it and it might
give you ideas on how you would like to do it
so i'll just say that up front but in terms of
just talking about what it is in the beginning
i wanted to just start off and talk about skepticism
first about magic in general sex magic magic
it's 2025 you throw out the word magic and some
people like what are you talking about like this
is harry potter what is going on here i started
off a skeptic so i wanted to start there just
for those in the audience that might be skeptics
i'm with you i'm an empiricist i'm a rationalist
i'm i'm a fan of what i can feel taste and touch
and if that's not possible i'll take what's observable
and provable but that's kind of where i came
from so i just wanted to put that out there up
front if there's is a thing that sounds woohoo
to you and sounds a little out there i'm with
you and i'll tell you about my journey and how
i've come to respect it and understand the power
of it where i didn't at first but i i just wanted
to let you know i'm a kindred soul if you're
skeptical but much like i imagine someone who's
you know had a paranormal encounter for instance
you know i've met people that i haven't particularly
i haven't seen a ghost before but i've met people
who have had encounters and you can't tell them
otherwise you know or people that have seen an
unidentifiable object in the sky that's you know
doing stuff that a plane can't do i've talked
to people who have had these experiences even
though i haven't had them and they have seen
and felt and experienced things so I am more
open -minded than I used to be about a lot of
things that I used to scoff at or laugh at. Even
though it may not be something I've experienced,
I do have more respect for it. And I'm going
to be telling you about my journey to get to
that point with Sex Magic. So here's what I propose.
If you listen and you agree with at least most
of what I'm going to say right now, maybe if
you're a skeptic, you can see a way to entertain.
What I'm saying about my experience and what
I am proposing that I think most people agree
with is the idea that your perception is your
reality. What we see, what we perceive, what
we think is real, is real. We've all seen the
Matrix. Morpheus gave us the speech. That is
the truth. Objective reality is something that
is... questionable at best, more likely is what
you perceive reality to be. And if perception
is reality and focusing intention changes your
perception, which is something I think we can
also agree on, then I think that focusing your
intention, changing your perceptions can change
your reality. And that's what I have experienced
when it comes to sex magic. So, you know, you
want to become a better pianist. You practice,
you know, intensity, imagination, emotional conviction
can make you, you know, somebody who's at Juilliard.
Or if you visualize yourself nailing a presentation
or that CrossFit competition or whatever, your
physical body calibrates to make that a real
thing. We've all experienced that in real life.
People don't tend to question those things. I'm
saying the exact same thing when I'm talking
about sex magic. So you can pray, you can affirm
affirmations, you know, you can manifest, you
can visualize, you can obsess over things, you
can just grind, do the work. You can daydream,
you can journal, you can scream into your pillow.
But all of this is the same thing. You are aiming
your energy with intention. And then reality
bends to your will. And sometimes that's very
subtle. Sometimes I've experienced things that
are wild. And just one more thing, just to get
into the actual reality of what sex magic can
do, that's based in what we know about science.
We are all familiar with the chemicals that the
body releases around sex. These are real, tangible
things that change in your body. Like dopamine,
they call that the pleasure molecule. But it's
also the focus and reward molecule. It's been
called that. It enhances your motivation. It
sharpens your attention. It strengthens your
synaptic potential, which is just a fancy way
of saying it makes your neurons fire together
and wire together. That chemical is released
when you're aroused and especially when you're
having orgasm. So high dopamine means you're
in a high learning state. Your brain plasticity
actually expands. Same thing with oxytocin. When
you have a sexual touch or an orgasm, it increases
trust, your emotional salience. It consolidates
your memory and pattern recognition. What you
learn and experience when that chemical is going
on during sex, your brain actually has new wiring
and takes that in differently than if you were
just sitting in a chair. So once again, your
brain is going to flag what's important when
these chemicals are being released. and it recodes
your brain and the list goes on there's you know
endorphins and you know you know the noradrenaline
serotonin all of these things around orgasms
around sex they lay down like new mental pathways
so i'm saying all that to say when you're turned
on when you're having sex when you're having
an orgasm your brain is paying more attention
and encoding literally new ley lines It trains
the nervous system to experience reality differently.
You know, we've all felt goosebumps. We've all
felt like a chill that's pleasurable when someone
whispers in our ear. These are all things that
are chemically your body's reacting. And I'm
saying sex magic can do all those things that
you've experienced and amplify them by a thousand
times. So that's just kind of like the background
of like for the skeptics out there. where this
is rooted in science and what you can do that
we all really don't question. But then the sex
magic is taking that thing to another level.
So when I say sex magic, based on all of what
I just talked about, the definition of it for
me is intentional harnessing of like the peak
neurochemical states that I just talked about
that encode your behaviors and your perceptions.
So you're like primed. With belief, intention,
visualization on top of that, you're able to
achieve new heights with sex and other things.
So, you know, while your body's in that state,
if you use sex magic ritual, sex magic, symbolisms,
suggestions, you can rewrite your circuitry.
And why not? Why not focus that? Why not hone
it? harness it and shape your sexual reality.
So long story short, I'm talking about neuroplasticity
as spellcasting. You're able to actually physically
change your experience and the experience of
others. If you focus your intention and will,
you can create a new reality. Pagan, can I jump
in here? Yeah, I was just shutting up. So can
we take a few steps back? It sounds like you're
combining, let's say for people who are not like
into the woo -woo stuff or has heard it the old
school way, it was called the law of attraction.
Now most people call it manifestation. A lot
of other people call it different things. You're
also combining the chemical and neurological
responses to orgasms with the process of how
we process reality, right? But can you break
a few of those things down or I can, I don't
care, but for our audience to kind of catch them
up because you gave a beautiful, beautiful explanation
of what it is. But I'm going to say this. I was
sitting there listening to you and I was like,
I understood everything he's saying. But the
only reason why is because I've probably read
15 books on all of those subjects. So I'm like,
can we break it down a little bit more for layman's
terms for those who are not familiar with a lot
of these things and nuances that we are pretty,
me and you, I know are very familiar with. Yeah.
I mean, I mentioned a bunch of the specific chemicals
and biological functions. But if you take all
of those specifics away and you don't want to
focus on it, you can look them up later. Your
intention and your will, we all know, as you
pointed out, manifestation, saying your mantra,
meditating, you know, in the morning here, you
know, you go into the mirror and you, you know,
you create a reality for your day coming up by
talking to yourself and you practice this. ability
to have your will and intention become something
or your vision board or whatever. What I'm saying
is we're not unfamiliar with the idea that your
will can create things in your life. And we're
not unfamiliar with people who are sitting around
on their ass covered in Cheeto dust. A lot of
stuff doesn't happen for them. Hey, hey, I resemble
that. I'm sorry. I love Cheeto puffs. They're
like my favorite, you know, when I've had a little
420 time. I love those Cheeto puffs. I had no
idea that was going to be where I broke into
the conversation, but, you know. Yeah, that's
where Siren was like offended. Like, all right,
all right, you've gone too far. Don't be talking
about my Cheetos like that. Cheetos are great.
What's not great is sitting around not doing
nothing while you're eating them. And Siren,
you're a go -getter who has got a million different
things going on, so you deserve your Cheetos.
Thank you. But the idea that you can just sit
there and things are going to come to you because
you're thinking about them, I personally don't
think that's a thing. Right. I'm very skeptical
about that. That's not what manifestation is.
Manifestation is using your will to put things
out there. And yes, there's a mental component
and belief, but you also have to like physically
do things. And I think that's what sex magic,
Socrates kind of marries the two things. We all
know there's a physical component to sex. That's
what most people know. That's the very basic
thing is the physical aspect of sex. What I'm
talking about is. That power that you feel, is
there more there? What if you and your partner
focus intention together, or if you're by yourself,
by the way, because you don't even have to practice
sex magic with someone, but I'm going to be focused
more on what you can do with two people or more.
If you are able to focus with someone else and
their intention, and you go into this sexual
act that would normally be something that is
much more just physical, and you elevate it to
a mental, and a spiritual a soul level if you
will you're able to harness energy that was before
that untapped so that's kind of what i'm getting
at socrates is all the chemicals and stuff that
we talked about explain why it happens but what
we're talking about is creating reality based
on focusing yourself and changing what was normally
not there where there was nothing now there is
something by the sheer force of will and i'll
give you one example of this you can have a tree
in the woods it's just a tree now you take that
same tree and a bunch of wiccan chicks go out
there in the woods and they strip naked and they
start dancing around and carving runes into it
that means something to them and they're chanting
a song that's ancient that means something to
them on the solstice when the earth is changing
and giving birth and the moon is in the sky literally
pulling our oceans and tides because it's so
powerful and they believe and have intention
as they dance around that tree and practice their
scale their spell casting i dare say that tree
is no longer just a tree it was before But the
power of will and what those women are doing
around it creates something new. And you can
be skeptical all you want, but if you've ever
been around something like this, you tend to
see that there is something there. So that's
kind of what I'm talking about. I love it. I
love it. And for our audience, since, Pagan,
you're coming from the skeptic's perspective,
I want to share a book that I think people should
look into. If you're a skeptic and you're interested
in like these things from a scientific perspective
or an evidence -based perspective, there's a
really great book called The Source by Dr. Tara
Swart. And she's an MD, PhD, and she just gives
really practical and scientific -based examples
of how this stuff really works. So then when
Pagan starts getting into some of the practices.
You can go as far as me and Siren do because
we are firm believers in not only God, but the
law of attraction and manifestation and that
these are abilities to create for us. You don't
have to go that far if you're not a believer.
You can just rely strictly on empirical data
and the science. Either way. you're gonna get
there i agree yeah and then you know if you'd
like we can talk a little bit about like some
of the ways that you can enter into sex magic
um some of the avenues and channels through which
people do it and then i can talk personally about
like some of the things that i've experienced
and what i've used that have been powerful for
me you know one of the things is there's a cocktail
of things you can use but one of them is like
the union archetypes a lot of people use them
So you're integrating this unconscious mythological
basement that, you know, Carl Jung talked about
that's inside of all of us. You know, there's
the shadow, the anima and the animus. And they
have these archetypes, the hero, the mother,
the crone. These symbolic things that he theorized
are in all of us. And it's the reason why, for
instance, like myths, whether it be... you know
an ancient greek myth or an african fable or
lord of the rings or star wars they're all myths
and there's a reason why around the world people
can listen to these stories and get engrossed
in them these are all because they're based in
these jungian archetypes that's one way that
people go into these sex magic ceremonies if
you embody the warrior and you're making love
to a woman who is in her divine feminine or you
want to face your shadow side your trauma and
get power where you had been had your power taken
away from you these are all things you can do
through the young and archetypes in sex magic
and i have found those to be extremely powers
powerful Because the arousal and all those chemicals
we talked about, it changes from just an abstract
concept into something visceral, something real.
You are the warrior. She is the inner divine
feminine. And then your body reprograms itself
because of what I talked about earlier. And then
when you go into situations later, you can access
the divine feminine because your body, your neural
pathways are like, oh, no, I got this. I know
I'm divine feminine because. the other day in
that sex magic thing i was starting to rewire
myself to be that so i'm with you and now you
can take that stuff out into the real world in
ways that you just couldn't before because you
have changed your reality um another way our
chakras this is more the tantric energy centers
but they cross -pollinate with the union things
that i was talking about these same chakras have
an archetype correspondent So, for instance,
like the one that people think of the most with
sex is the sacral chakra, you know, the pelvis,
the genitals. That's desire, emotion, pleasure.
But that is also a Jungian archetype. That's
the lover or the shadow version of that is the
prostitute, which, by the way, is not bad, by
the way. I want to point out because we're. You
know, we grow up in a Judeo -Christian society
here in the West. The shadow is looked at as
evil, bad, stay away from it. And these archetypes,
shadow is not bad at all. It's just the other
side of you. I think Jung famously said, if I
don't cast a shadow, then how am I whole? It
just means that you're a human that has another
side. So I just want to be clear. But all of
these things with the chakras, you can also tap
into your heart, your throat. your third eye
these are all linked to these things too and
you can cross -pollinate them and and use them
in sex magic again whatever speaks to you is
what you can tap into and as for myself personally
i've tapped into some to two things usually i'm
always adapting to my partner um i don't particularly
practice sex magic on my own by myself Usually,
so I'm not as adept to speak on that, but that
is definitely something that you can do on your
own and manifest things. But I do like the amplification
of bouncing off of a partner. And I just feel
better when I'm not bringing everything to the
table and when I'm waiting to meet someone and
seeing what they bring. And then I'm able to
go, okay, now I know that I am the yin to that
yang. i know how to fit in and fill in the gaps
to that particular person it's not a cookie cutter
thing that i'm just doing every time and so for
me because of the way i play the kind of partners
i have in our areas of interest interracial is
one of the things that i use to tap into the
magnetic attraction between black and white between
the polar opposites The yin -yang symbol that's
ancient, that literally is usually black and
white where one ends, the other fills in. Those
are things that I have tapped into because it
just works for me and my partners. But also another
thing that I've tapped into is what is called
sacred geometry, particularly the triangle, because
again, this is just for me. I'm often interacting
with couples. So I'm entering something where
there's already two points. I become a third
point. And that triangle can have power. There's
a reason why you see triangles all through nature.
Every snowflake, if you zoom in on it, is made
of them. Every pyramid that was built was built
that way for a reason. And I like to build off
of that triangle of the three people. So that's
a couple of the things that I personally have
done. So, again, I'll shut up and let you guys,
you know. chat but those are some of the things
in terms of physically how you can go about entering
into sex magic if any of those things you know
speak to you and there's others so pegan give
us tell us a little story about how you got into
this like what what was the experience that you
had or experiences or community or whatever that
that led you here from skeptic to on a podcast
teaching of us about it yeah so i can tell you
exactly when no pun intended, that seminal moment
happened. I was with a woman. We were playing
She's Very Witchy. And at a certain point, she
started speaking in a different language. And
I was shook. As you can imagine, like, it just
popped out of her. And I didn't recognize the
language. So... i immediately stopped as anyone
would and i you know i laugh at myself now but
at the time i could only go on what i know and
i thought she was having a neurological episode
you know like a person can have a stroke and
they can't speak words or it comes out mum you
know mumbo jumbo that's what it sounded like
to me like something i don't recognize so i stopped
and i'm like are you okay and she immediately
snapped back And it was like, no, no, no, I'm
fine. That happens. Just keep going. So we continued
playing. She continued speaking in this language.
And then after we're done, as you can imagine,
I was like, so what the fuck was that? And she
had to break down to me like, well, that happens
sometimes. I can go into this thing called light
language where I speak light language. And you
may have also heard this as speaking in tongues.
It's pretty much the same thing. I am I'm skeptical
about a lot of things until, you know, I get
some more proof. And I was particularly skeptical
about speaking in tongues because as a person
who likes evidence, I'm like, OK, you might be
speaking in tongues. But it's interesting when
I see somebody in a tent in Georgia handling
snakes and they're speaking in tongues. I'm like,
it's interesting. I can't check on this. Like,
it's not based in Latin. It's not based in Greek.
Nothing. So I just have to take your word for
it that this language is a language Because it
sounds to me like you might just be mumbling
stuff That was the place I was coming from when
it came to that to be honest But then I'm in
front of this woman and she's not trying to sell
me anything I didn't pay her a fucking nickel
at a carnival to fucking do a trick There's no
reason for her to try to freak me out and do
this. This was real She went into another state
and was speaking something ancient through sex.
And I had never experienced that before. But
she told me when she's with certain people, and
this is early on for me, certain people who are
receptive can be a conduit for her and it allows
her to go into that state. If she's with a partner
who is not receptive, it never comes out. There's
a part of her that knows when to lay her gifts
before an altar. and when to keep them to herself
so as much as i was a skeptic apparently i was
open -minded apparently there was something about
me where her somatic nervous system her spiritual
side her witchiness felt comfortable so that
was my first experience socrates with i don't
know what this is but it's powerful and it feels
real even though a minute ago if you asked me
i would have probably laughed at it and then
i started taking this stuff way more seriously
and came to find out for instance that the language
she was speaking at that time she couldn't translate
it afterwards she couldn't tell me oh this is
what i was saying i was saying that she was like
all i can tell you is when i'm saying it it's
not me it's just me speaking but then when we're
done with the actual act of sex and it goes away
she couldn't tap back into it but i have since
learned She can do that now. She can remember
what she was saying and translate it now because
she's had some years where she's gone into this
more. And I'm saying all that to say, this woman
had what I call witchy antlers. She has antenna
that pick up things that frankly, I don't pick
up or didn't pick up at that time. And I'm starting
to pick up more because my antlers are growing.
My antennas are growing more. and so i'm picking
up wavelengths and i'm doing things i did an
ayahuasca journey recently and i was speaking
light language out of the blue and surprised
myself i did not see it coming i don't even know
what the language was this is my first time but
something channeled through me and it happened
to me so i've gone again from you know being
skeptical of this stuff to actually doing it
myself I'm feeling in reality. You were hit by
the spirit in the South, in the South, in the
biblical, in the, in the, in the Bible. And then
in church, you will hear preachers preach. And
all of a sudden they start speaking in tone because
the Holy spirit has gotten inside of them is,
I guess that's the same thing as involving sex
magic. You know, there are some people, some
ladies, some men, but that spirit, that sexual
spirit gets inside of you and you start speaking
in tone. And now you're here again. You are becoming
a master because you're understanding now exactly
what you're saying. At first, you didn't know
what it was. You just thought you were just mumbling.
But no, you were not mumbling. You have now mastered
understanding the spirit hitting your body. So
that's a beautiful thing right there. that's
beautiful yeah you're absolutely right that's
a really good way to explain it to a lot of people
have been in a black church baptist churches
they they they get they catch the holy ghost
right exactly that is something and i'm just
being honest about myself i didn't grow up in
that kind of church i grew up in a church but
it wasn't that kind of church and i always side
-eyed that like okay that seems like a bit much
maybe you just like the music But I've learned
now how little I know. And there are metaphysical
qualities to the way our bodies and the whole
universe works that we don't fully understand.
And I have to say that I look at it a lot like
radio waves. Radio waves have existed since the
literal Big Bang. They're billions of years old.
It wasn't until the early 1900s that we started
saying, oh, I can put talk radio on that signal.
I can put music on that signal. And I can send
it all around the planet on FM and AM. The waves
were just sitting there all that time through
the birth of humanity, through all those billions
of years. And for us to say that, oh, well, they
exist now because we found them would be ridiculous.
They were always there. The question is, did
you have an antenna to pick it up? Did you know
how to harness that power? Because the power
is just sitting there waiting for you. I look
at this like that. The power is just sitting
there waiting for you to believe in it and to
figure out how to harness it and to get your
antenna right. And once it starts coming through.
you're going to hear that sex magic music. That's
how I look at it. What does it sound like? It
sounds like whatever you want to make is iron.
Like that's the beautiful thing about it. Like
for me, it sounds like some of the things that
I brought out, you know, because those are the
things that I'm interested in. And frankly, those
are the things that have power to me. So I'm
able to create with them. But for you, it could
be something completely different. It could be
your divine feminine. It could be the goddess
in you that you feel your partner worshiping
and you realize, oh, I'm not just queen energy.
I'm goddess energy. I can turn a man into my
altar and like a succubus, you will transform
not only yourself, but him. And he will be like,
what the fuck did you just do to me, siren? And
it will all be what I would call sex magic because
of the power of what you believe. Or if you're
lucky, the two of you are believing together
and creating together. And then once you experience
it, you can't go back. You can't unbelieve it.
You can't choose what you believe. You just believe
things or you don't. So, you know, the music
is different for everybody. Do you think there's
some people out there, too, that are already
practicing it to some degree, but they just don't
know what it was? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's
what that woman was telling me the first time,
is you're adept to this. You have a propensity
toward it if you get out of your own way with
all of your doubt and your skepticism and, frankly,
my ignorance of side -eyeing and kind of giggling
at it. If you free your mind. Which, by the way,
I'm... Yeah, if you free your mind, exactly.
Like I said, we're back to Morpheus. or in vogue,
if you were a fan. But I think that that's an
important aspect to this because I'm going to
be straight up with you. I'm not going to speak
for other people, but I guarantee you I'm going
to be speaking for other people when I say this.
I was raised Christian and black in America.
There's a bunch of walls right there in that
statement to stay away from sex magic. Culturally,
there's a lot of times when black people see
that and they go, oh, that ain't right. Because
Jesus, frankly. Because Christianity. They were
taught anything that says something like sex
magic, that must mean an antithesis of what I
was raised in. And that means it's wrong. And
that's the devil. That's the darkness. Shadow
sex magic especially. That's got to be evil.
I'm staying away from that. I'm not going to
that haunted house. There's a lot of things about
my upbringing that caused me to push this away.
to laugh at it to diminish it and to not give
it the credence it deserved and also just my
scientific mind the fact that i am an empiricist
the fact that i am interested in what can you
prove that had an entire blind spot for me where
i was not looking at this because it isn't provable
in a certain way but i had to change my metrics
by what is real because again I was looking for
objective reality when I should have been looking
for what can be a subjective reality that I can
create. Pagan, let's talk about, let's talk about
you affecting other people, because this is all
making sense to me when I'm saying like, okay,
well, just for everybody, you know, just for
the audience to know, I had an, I've, I've had
an experience with this right. Actually, before
I met Siren, I dated a Hoodoo priestess who was
part of an order and everything. And she's pretty
much a witch. But from hoodoo is the original
African version of these beliefs. And she taught
me about sex magic. And she gave me really simple
things like just saying affirmations and visualizing.
So doing orgasms and things like that. I know
that's just the beginning of it. I thought she
only taught you to say roll time. That's a true
story. Oh, I had to poke that in there. I had
to poke that in there. Well, it's a true story.
Because he told me when I met, he's like, just
don't ever say roll tide when you're coming.
So, of course, I had to do it at least once.
I love how Siren trolls you while she's fucking
you. That's amazing. That's true love right there.
I do. I like to laugh during play. You know,
you're over here bringing people to the depths
of ecstasy. And I'm over there like this. Oh,
I got to tell you guys this interjection. It's
the opposite of sex magic. This guy, I was telling
him like, hey, you need to kind of like slow
down. You know, I'd like you to slow down with
things. And he said, well, if I slow down, he's
fairly new to the lifestyle. He said, I feel
like I'm making love to you and I only want to
make love to my girlfriend. And I said, we don't
make love, buddy. We're making friendship juice.
And I said, and I don't make love. I don't make
love to anyone but my husband because I'm too
busy making jokes. And he said, you got that
right. So he always tells me I'm a black woman
trapped in a white woman's body. Pretty funny.
Anyway, opposite of sex magic. All that was free.
All that was free. I had to lighten things up.
My brain was starting to contract and expand.
It's a lot for Siren. But that's what this podcast
is about. We are talking about bulls and everybody
else in the lifestyle from our perspective, and
we're talking to high -level operators, like
Mr. Mocha says. And so this is how deep high
-level operators go. Pagan's not going to call
himself that, but that's what I'm calling him.
Right. So let's talk about how it affects other
people. I get how it could affect me, but explain,
especially from a scientific perspective and
from the magic perspective, how that's affecting
my play partner. yeah well i mean there's a couple
of things like what's interesting to me is i
started looking into this and learning more about
it um even between people like what you're talking
about like how do i affect the person next to
me there's been like studies that they've done
where people who meditate or chant or just breathe
and sync with each other their brain waves start
to synchronize with each other the theta and
alpha i believe specifically They go into sync
with each other just by being near someone who's
meditating, chanting and breathing like you.
Also, your heart rhythms, your EEG patterns,
they can start to align. There's been studies
on this. That is something that we don't even
fully understand why that happens. But there's
a resonant field between people and it's measurable.
So I'm going to step in and be nerd and get so.
Siren is, she's a professional petty, nerdy petty.
So all of that you said, we have an exercise.
We don't chant, but we do pray together. I make
her put her hand on my heart to connect with
my heartbeat. And then we take three heavy coordinated
breaths together. And all of that has been scientifically
proven, as Pagan says. to align not only your
thought patterns but your heart rhythms and just
creates this insane connection and vibration
and eventually we've just started realizing this
and we've been doing this for about what two
years now mommy yeah yeah we are really starting
to think we're i will call her and be like hell's
thinking that she was like you know i was just
thinking that and then she'll do it to me she'll
call me and i was like i was just concerned about
that or i was just worried about that or i was
just going to call you about that and it is it's
real y 'all we do it it's real yeah we did it
since we moved in together we started it pretty
pretty quickly yeah we should really do it at
night too before bed yeah probably should that
would be done yeah and sometimes if i'm just
feeling anxious he'll pull me close and we'll
do the same thing yeah it's just like a decompression
exercise at any time of the day if i'm I'm feeling
anxious. Yeah. I'll say two things about that.
Let's say that, let's say I was skeptical about
that, which I'm not, but let's just say I was.
It's real to you guys. It works. So let's say
that I was like, oh, I don't know about the science
behind this. I'm skeptical. The placebo pill
that makes me not feel sick, to me, I don't give
a fuck if it's a placebo pill. I'm better. Right.
If I feel better, I am better. i understand what
you guys just said is actually being rooted in
the science that i've learned so i do believe
it scientifically but even if i didn't i would
be like that is you guys creating a reality between
the two of you is what you just described now
on top of what socrates which is saying like
there was a study in 2010 i think it's called
the energetic heart and electromagnetic fields
from our hearts they found out They extend like
three to 10 feet from your body. That's a real
thing. And that's what you're talking about with
the hard thing. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say
that is the day I believe in the law of attraction,
because if anybody has seen the secret, that's
like the biggest thing that they talk about,
the manifestation of the law of attraction. It
gives you this impression and people have claimed
that your energy can go out all the way to the
ends of the earth. And I'm like, it doesn't have
to. You do, because I saw that study, you vibrate
at certain frequencies. That frequency has a
signature. Other human beings, their heart and
EKG are picking that up. That frequency can be
carried. If you are manifesting something and
it needs to get to China, just by you being in
that vibration around just the people you're
around, it'll get there. It doesn't have to travel
hundreds of thousands of miles. It only has to
travel three to five feet. You just got to be
in proximity of other people and you got to be
vibrating the thing that you want. You have to
have the frequency of ecstasy or the frequency
of seduction or the frequency of confidence.
And the, how you vibrate the frequency is you
act that way. You talk that way. You think that
way you practice in your mind, in your eyes,
you just. be it by acting and thinking and practicing.
And so here's the thing. There was a TikTok I
saw. I loved it. I'm going to butcher it, but
I'm going to try to do it the best. It says,
Christians call it faith. Witches call it spells.
Scientists call it placebo. You know, mysticists
call it the law of attraction, but they all agree.
Absolutely. That's absolutely. That's a really
good way to put it. no matter what avenue that
you chose out of all those things you just said,
they're all arriving at the same place. And that's
where I've arrived, you know? And yeah, I think
that what you're talking about, you know, you,
you asked like, how, how can I influence someone
else just by being open and receptive? I'm influencing,
but I'm also, because I've done this a few times,
I'm able to communicate with a partner and I,
or partners with a couple. with a single person
and I'm able to tap into what resonates with
me and them and start building the foundation
stones of that pyramid or whatever that temple
is that we're building in that space that we're
in. And that to me is the real joy of it. is
i'm offering something to them but they are offering
something back to me i am just half of the yin
yang symbol floating out there in a nothingness
until i get my other half and or you know my
other third in the case two -thirds in the case
of like the triangle with a couple but what we
create together is far greater than anything
i could have created on my own there's no way
that i could get so I had a ceremony I did once
with a couple that's close to me. And I had my
cuckler, my cuck butler, he set up this space.
I rented out a dungeon here in LA. And we put
Matt at the beginning of the ceremony just to
kind of have the candles, have some incense to
take in the space. I had this music that I like
to use that's very tribal. You could pick whatever
you like that speaks to you. And we were able
to create, like, before there was anything sexual,
we were able to just create this literal triangle
between the three of us. And then as it went
on, we amplified it more and more. And that evening
ended with her, the wife, completely naked, covered
in runes that I painted on her with my fingers
and symbols. that energized the fuck out of her.
And she didn't even necessarily know what every
symbol meant, but she felt it. And that night
was transformative for all of us. And I didn't
fully know exactly what I was doing at that time.
I was doing baby steps, but that leap forward
with the intention when I was in sync with that
couple, that was another step forward. where
I was like this is a real thing and I want to
learn more about it because I'm able to bring
things to other people as well as myself so that's
another example Socrates of like how I'm able
to influence them but I want to stress their
influence feedback well I'm very fascinated but
with this but you know what we are coming up
on time so one I would love to you to just maybe
kind of give us a closing statement on what you
feel about it and you know, where people can
get more information about it. And then I'd love
for you to come back and give us a part two,
man, because there's so many other things I want
to dive into with this. It would also be cool
if there was some sort of kind of like beginner,
you know, three -step process or something to
kind of just introducing yourself that was super
simple for people like me that this was like,
wow, that sounds fascinating, but I couldn't
absorb. all of it right so just something sure
a little more simplistic that we can put in the
show notes even i mean you could list it now
or we could you could send it to us and we could
put it in the show notes then that would just
i think would be helpful too but we really appreciate
you being yeah absolutely in fact that might
be something better for me to like send you to
put in the show notes absolutely so since we're
since we're up on the hour now but absolutely
and and it's these are things that um you know
what's great is it's readily available siren
for people if you if you look up sex magic for
instance on youtube there's going to be a ton
of information from people you can pick whatever
style you like whatever person you like and they're
going to give you a lot of those tools that you
can start out with what i would just say really
quickly though is creating an intention around
something because what we haven't talked about
is the fact that sex magic can be used for anything
I personally use it for sexual things. But people
use sex magic for everything that they want to
give attention to in the manifest. From career
goals to health to money, they're harnessing
the power of sex for that. That's not my wheelhouse.
I use it kind of for sexual amplification. I'm
not trying to, like, figure out my financial
gain through it. But that is a thing. so whatever
your intention is that's what i'm focusing on
that yeah so whatever your intention is focusing
on that choosing a partner who is receptive i
don't want to give any rules as you can tell
but i would dare say choosing someone who you
align with who is on the same page as you who
resonates with you as opposed to just a one -night
stand is obviously going to give you better results
right Because you want to have that flow of energy
back and forth, circular. Absolutely. So, yeah,
absolutely. So intention, partner, or no partner,
by the way. I want to stress, you do not have
to have a partner for this. But I have found
that that obviously amplifies it. And then choosing
your pathway. I talked about some of the avenues
from interracial, the power of that. do the triangles
it could be this you know um certain signals
it could be things from you know your ancestral
past if you are of african ancestry if you're
you know from ireland there might be a celtic
thing that speaks to you it could be a family
thing whatever that is totems i was at an event
the other day a couple weeks ago and i was having
a really amazing session with a wife and the
husband was kind of over in the cup chair And
I looked down and he had a talisman in his hand
that he had gotten when they were traveling in
another country. And it was like a little fetish
idol with the big breasts and the big hips and
everything, you know, that we've seen in like
all those ancient cultures have. And he was over
there like holding it and stroking it while he
was watching his wife get fucked. And I didn't
even know he had that. I didn't know that they
were like that about this, but I was like, oh,
we're going to go places with this couple because
we're all on the same page. So there's these
things that you can have, even if it's a totem
or something that's powerful to you and just
focusing your intention. And while you're having
sex, harnessing your energy and then focusing
on that thing that you want, whatever that want
is. That's the very basic thing I'll say to answer
you, Siren. And that can actually just be my
closing thing, Socrates. It's just my only thing
I would say is as much as you can, if there's
anything that's getting in your way of saying
that this isn't something for you, that's fine
for something not to be something for you. But
take a moment to question why. You know, why
are you skeptical about it? Why don't you believe
it? What I found for me personally is the reasons
why I weren't good enough. It was my programming.
it was a lot of things that i don't even necessarily
agree with anymore bleeding over into this and
making me go yeah i don't know about that once
i let go of that a whole gateway and i mean literally
a gateway to another universe has opened up for
me so i wish that for everyone within the sound
of our voices if they're able to come into something
that's going to open just an abundance of riches
And otherwise, maybe give this a try and find
whatever avenue works for you and just build
on it. And I guarantee you're going to find a
beautiful new arena that you never saw before
because your antenna are going to start to grow
and you're going to start picking up those sex
magic frequencies. I love it. Dope, dope, dope.
Take it away. Good deal, man. I learned a lot
tonight. I really did. Sex magic is something
that I might have to dive into in the very near
future. Again, ladies and gentlemen, give it
up for Pagan. And he has really, really taught
me a lot tonight. And I hope he comes back for
part two of the topic of sex magic. For Socrates,
Siren, myself, as well as Pagan, Until we meet
again, ladies and gentlemen, as usual, from the
Bull Brotherhood to all the brothers out there,
I bid you guys goodnight. To all my hot wives
and sexy singles ladies out there, good morning.
I'm the Sigma Male, Brian Morgan. Until we meet
again, I'll be to say cheers, bye -bye, goodnight.