I want them to experience me. I want them to
experience the way I do it. I was scoping out
the guys who I knew that were the professionals,
in other words. It was very, very easy to pick
out Mocha and Dimitri. They stood out. They had
that aura, you know. And I knew that I wasn't
going to, like, approach them to talk to them
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If you're not comfortable with Frank talk about
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probably isn't the show for you. But if you're
ready to step into your masculine edge and embrace
a lifestyle that demands mastery, welcome to
the Brotherhood. Welcome to the Bull Brotherhood
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leave a lasting impression. If you're here, you're
not just curious. You're ready to elevate. So
to all the bulls, hot wives, stags, and open
-minded explorers, we see you. Let's go. Ladies
and gentlemen, good evening and welcome to another
exhilarating episode of the Bullet Brotherhood
podcast. I'm Brian Morgan, a .k .a. the Sigma
Male, the lone wolf himself, coming at you with
my nephew, the perpetual student, Socrates. What's
up, dawg? What's up, y 'all? All right. And ladies
and gentlemen, tonight, we welcome back from
the O -Faces podcast. the executive director,
the CEO himself. I call him Doc Gable. Everybody
else knows him as Mr. Mocha. What's up, baby
boy? What's going on, guys? I appreciate the
invite as always. How's it going, fellas? Wonderful
here, baby. Wonderful. And again, thank you for
cutting into your quality time and coming to
help us out. I guess with a, for Socrates, a
question tonight or how you want a question.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to
turn it over to Socrates. He's going to be our
moderator tonight with this. Mr. Mocha and I,
we're going to be answering questions together
as one, as well as from a alpha bull's point
of view and a sigma male's point of view. All
right. So here, take it over nephew. Yes, sir.
Yes, sir. It was good, y 'all. What's going on?
All right, all right. Nothing much, man. Yeah,
yeah. So this is really, you know, for those
that don't know, man, you know, these are my
boys, you know. These are my counsel. You know,
these are my war counsel gentlemen that I talk
to, strategize approaches from business to how
to interact with these beautiful ladies that
we get to interact with in this lifestyle. And
so. I was listening to another podcast, and they
were presenting the things that they do and the
thought process and the process that they go
through to give a couple a really good experience.
And I was vibing off it. I was like, yeah, I
like that idea. I like this idea. But something
hit me. Something was like a voice in my head.
And I was like, I don't know if it's Brian's
in the back of my head. Or Mr. Mocha's in the
back of my head. But it was like, that's too
much work. It was like, hey, man, you run some
businesses. You travel, bro. Like, I don't know
if you can do all that. And I was thinking, you
know what? I don't know what my boys would say
about that. Not that what the person was saying
was wrong, because I admire that podcast and
what they were saying. It was more of like, well,
what fits the approach that the Boy Brotherhood
has? And so I called my boy, Unk, up. He was
busy at the time, so I called Mr. Mocha, and
we started discussing the difference between
their approach and Mr. Mocha's approach. And
I said, what'd I say? I said, I think you do
it a little differently, don't you? And that's
where you broke it down. So did you want to...
Kind of explain. Well, I think you got to first,
you got to set that, you got to, what's the other
approach? Exactly. Because they don't have a
point of reference. Right, right. So what it
was is their basic, we talked about it for a
bit. We talked about having tools in your toolbox.
And we always encourage everybody, have tools
in your toolbox. Learn how to read people's body
language. Learn how to read the room. Learn how
to interact. Wash your ass. All those kind of
things. But the paradigm that we were saying
is, and what Mr. Mocha was saying is, that bull
who's putting that effort in and a lot of the
challenges that I was having was about, my mentality
is, I'm trying to get on their program. I got
a couple, they have whatever program they got
going on, and I'm trying to get in where I feed
in. And that's a lot of work. And Mr. Mocha said,
well, I have a little different one. I'm trying
to see. What do I need to do or what do I need
to present or how do I need to present this to
where they feel comfortable and they feel like
I'm trustworthy enough for them to get on mine?
So that's the subject we're going to talk about
is the program, right? And it blew my mind. It
blew my mind. I was like, oh, my goodness, that's
it. Everywhere I felt like I was having consistent
challenges or putting a whole lot of energy for.
shaky or unreliable or not the same kind of energy
back, I realize I'll spend my whole time trying
to get qualified for their program as opposed
to having an actual program that's really concise
for me and saying, well, what do I got to get
to do to help them understand that we're going
to have a great time if you get on my program?
Am I explaining that right, Mr. Mogul? So I think
that when you call me, you're basically saying
that because I don't think everybody understands
the concept of programs and things like that.
So when he called me, he was saying that he had
listened to something or podcast, and they were
talking about having different approaches and
different ways to approach different types of
couples within the lifestyle. Because, you know,
in the hot wife community, in the cuckold community
in particular, you know, that there are, it's
not one set type of couple. It's not one set
type of dynamic. But as a guy, you know, we're
dudes. So we're not, it's rare that we're only
looking for one particular type of couple. We
may have one. or two dynamics that we prefer.
But oftentimes, you know, if you walk into a
room with 100 couples, you have 100 different
dynamics. So when he called me, when you called
me, you're saying that based upon the information
you heard, they refer to different approaches
and different tactics and techniques as tools.
And having a lot of tools in your tool bag so
that you can adapt to the couples that you want
to play with. Exactly. So I'm not sure if I should
make the analogy that I made before. We'll send
all the email complaints to you. Go for it. Go
for it. You are on the Bull Brotherhood podcast,
my brother. All right. I'm expecting you to be
you, okay? Okay. Remember, you got to expand.
Yes, exactly. All right. So, ladies and gentlemen,
any ass -shoers that you want to throw out, okay?
My ass is narrow, but I can take every last one
of them. I can take every last one of them. I
take every last one of them. I took enough for
24 years in the United States military. Hell,
I can take some more, okay? So I want to know.
This is who we are. So, Mocha, take it. All right?
Go with it. All right. So I said my analogy was
you have two different vehicles. I'm not trying
to get into their vehicle. What I'm trying to
do is lure them into my, my kidnapper. I just
need to lure you into my van because I am not,
I want to be adaptable in conversation and fluid
and interaction, but I want them to experience
me. I want them to experience the way I do it.
We have these conversations on a regular basis.
There's levels to this. There's levels to the
type of, you know, couple you meet. There's levels
to the type of woman or male or whatever you
like to interact with. There's levels to it.
There is that level where it's like, okay, I
had, and then we're going to start at the, I
had an okay time. Yeah, I met this person, this
couple, and it was cool. And then the far extreme
is, oh, my God, I met this couple or this woman
or this guy who completely exceeded my expectations.
And I want this type of experience. And there's
everything in between. So for me personally,
I want anyone who I'm going to interact with,
if it's a couple or a single female. I want you
to experience what I bring. I want to be able
to speak to you on your level so that I can now
pull you into my world and I can give you the
Mr. Mocha experience. I don't want to give you
the, you know, the other guy's experience. You
know, and I think oftentimes as guys, as a guy
in a lifestyle, A lot of guys, in my opinion,
go wrong because they're talking to a couple
and they're trying to figure out how to duplicate
an experience that they had with some other guy.
Oh, we met this guy and he was this and he was
that. And so now you're doing what you think
they want you to do. I can't be the stigma male.
No matter how much I would want to be or no matter
how much I admire his style, if I try to do what
the Sigma male does, I can at best be second
best at that. Now, I can be number one at being
Mr. Mocha. I can be number one at providing the
experience that is me being my genuine self.
That was my thing. I am not trying to mold myself
to their experience. I am trying to provide them
my experience. You know, there's a hundred different
flavors of soda. There's a hundred different
desserts. So if I'm chocolate, I'm not trying
to taste like vanilla. I can only be chocolate.
That's all I can be. And so for me, when I started
thinking about people saying, I'm trying to mold
myself to them. Now you're polluting who you
are. So that's what I mean when I say I'm not
trying to have tools that would make me moldable
to their situation. I just want the introduction
and to be fluid enough to make them want to experience
what I have to offer. Outstanding. You are molding
the communication, the interaction at that stage
when they're trying to figure out if this is
something they want to do and you're trying to
figure out if this is the couple you want to
interact with. Those are where your tools lie.
But once, like you said, you got them kidnapped
in the van. No. It's not so much molding. This
is another place, the common misconception that
a lot of people have within the lifestyle. All
right. It's basic human interaction. Okay. I
am going to talk to you like I would talk to
anyone. And if our personalities click, if we
have that chemistry, all those things are necessary.
And it's interaction. It's relationship. The
shit part is something that we have. You have
a friendship. You have a relationship. You know,
that thing. that we create with all other people
that we want to talk to. If you go to an amusement
park, if you go to play a basketball game, you're
going to have an interaction with somebody, and
that person is going to have an opportunity to
see if they like you or not. This is just a different
aspect of life, and it's just a different social
setting. So it's not so much me trying to trick
a person. Me speaking to you and seeing how the
energy is. And I'm just going to be me. And I
know me being me, I'm off -putting to some people.
So if I'm off -putting to that person, then they're
not the person that should be trying to get into
my van. And if that person, if I don't feel that
chemistry or that energy that I like, it's not
going to work out either. In the beginning, my
main tool is just being me and seeing if you
like me. And then once we get into the bedroom,
we're going to, you know, do our regular talking
and communicating. And then I'm going to have
an opportunity to be me. And that's all I can
be because I've said before, when I get into
a situation and I have somebody who's trying
to, you know, direct my movements, hey, fuck
my wife like this, fuck her like that. Hey, hey,
man, you want to do this? She's here for what
I do. I'm not trying to mimic your dick. If she
wants a mimic of your dick, if she wants a mimic
of your style, then you should be doing this
and I should go and deal with someone who wants
to experience me. So everything comes back to
we're trying to experience each other. I love
having sex with my wife. I have sex with my wife
as often as possible. But when I go play with
somebody else, I'm not looking for somebody who
fucks just like my wife. Otherwise, I might as
well just keep fucking my wife. You're looking
for something different. Yeah. I like that. Nephew.
Yes, sir. Nephew, let me say this. I agree with
everything. I love listening to Mocha talk because,
I mean, hell, I end up almost getting mesmerized
by this shit because it's so fucking true. But
I look at this as like, and I say we're, when
we're dealing with a couple, I look at it as
like the art of seduction. You know, we're being
ourselves. with being our our true selves but
at the same time though i know myself i'm i'm
i'm i'm seducing like a i'm i'm using a seduction
technique uh you know to find out what this couple's
all about you know i look at it like um let me
see what can i equate it to like being a dancer
giving a performance you know i mean that involves
what of course with the couple first and foremost
Respect, then what? Emotional intelligence, then
what? Shared fantasies, right? You find out everything
that there is about the couple. Correct? Yep.
Okay. Always doing what? You're respecting the
sanctity of the couple's relationship. You know
what I mean? I'm being a great listener. I want
to hear, I want to know everything there is.
about you guys. So I'm listening to every damn
thing, everything. And I'm showing what I'm showing
a genuine interest at all times as to what that
I'm, you know, hearing. And then from there,
then from there, I start throwing that, that
technique in there, that seduction technique.
All right. First of all, going into the thing,
what am I? I'm confident. I'm sure of myself.
I'm sure of my desires. And I'm, I'm, I'm sure
of my value. I think that's something that, that
most bulls don't go into the situation doing
and, and correct me if I'm wrong, but knowing
your, your value, knowing your value as that,
as that, as that, you know, as that guy that's
going to eventually take over the situation.
Right. Absolutely. Here again, like I said, being
sure of yourself, your desires, and also show
a couple. At least I do. I show a couple of a
little sensitive side of me where I'm getting
to know him. You know, I want to know. Hell,
I want to know the Sigma male, but I also want
to know Brian Morgan, the man. You know what
I mean? So I may even share some I may share
some some I call it human stuff with them, you
know, on the sensitive side. And then from there,
as they get comfortable with me, not only her,
but him, because it's got to be a two way street.
Then we move forward. We move forward in the
seduction process. So that's to me is like step,
that's step eight in that seduction technique.
Do you understand where I'm coming from? Yep.
One of the most important factors that people
leave out is chemistry. When you meet someone,
and especially when I'm in that setting, I mean,
yes, I am. I'm definitely. I'm being myself,
but I am flirting. I am attempting to have sex
with you. So, no, like my behavior, you know,
if you ask my opinion, it's going to be the same.
But I may not I'm not going to just kick in the
door and walk in the room and start spouting
out my opinions when we're doing a show. It's
my job to speak of my opinions. But in person,
you know, I am going to be polite. I am going
to try to be charming. I am going to to be flirty,
but I'm still going to be me. And the concept
of chemistry is something that is the most important
thing in all of these talks. Whenever we're talking
about interacting with a couple, chemistry is
the main thing because two guys can walk up and
do the same thing, say the same thing, wear the
same thing. And look the same way and get completely
different responses. Because chemistry is a big
deal. In fact, one of my, the thing I say all
the time is the exact same thing that one guy
can do. When another dude does it, he's creepy.
Okay. When one guy does it, he's sexy. When the
other guy does it, he's creepy. And that was
a lack of some sort of chemistry. So chemistry
is also a big thing. And sometimes, I mean, because
you've been in a situation where you're with
someone who's extremely physically attractive
to you from across the room. Wow, she is gorgeous.
But then when we interact, there's nothing wrong
with her. She's not mean. She's nice. But there's
no chemistry. And so, you know, in my rookie
season, I would try to go and play with that
woman anyways, and my dick be like, eh, I'm good.
And now I'm having a, oh, you know. But, you
know, that's not, like I said, there's nothing
to say there was nothing wrong. It's just a lack
of chemistry. Or you see a woman who I don't
particularly find her attractive. But then we
start talking and interacting and my dick is
tapping on my leg like, hey, this one, choose
this one. And then we have a phenomenal time
and I want to play with her over and over again.
You know, so chemistry to me is huge. And I know
a lot of couples get afraid of the word chemistry
because they think, I mean, you know, I'm trying
to fall in love with. No. Chemistry is not necessarily
just a sexual thing. It's not just a opposite
sex thing. Chemistry is something that works
everywhere. Chemistry plays a huge role in this
thing as well as learning how to interact because
with it or without it, to me, it's one of the
things that is the great divider. in being a
good bull or not. Let me say this, Mocha. You
can have physical chemistry. You can have physical
chemistry but not have a damn thing in common
when it comes to the communication or, you know
what I mean, getting the emotional intelligence
there. I've had some hellified encounters. where
it was just they were physically attracted to
me. I was physically attracted to them. We really
didn't even, other than knowing each other's
names, it was fuck city after that. And it was
great. Physical chemistry. Yeah, that physical
chemistry. But try to meet them again and, you
know, go out to dinner or just come over, you
know, to the crib and chill and get to know each
other. I found I was like, damn, we. And I had
one that we just literally laughed at each other.
Like, we do not have anything in common other
than dick and pussy. That was it. That was it,
you know? And, yeah, the sexual chemistry can
happen. Now, the emotional or, you know, that,
if it's not there, it ain't going to happen.
You know what I'm saying? You can't make that
happen. You cannot, in my opinion. At least you
know with me. You can't make that happen. Um,
and I, I do agree. Um, when I meet a couple,
I will know in a very short period of time, uh,
if there will be some, you know, some chemistry
there. And I'm not looking for, I know when I
meet them, whether I'm physically attracted to
them, you know, to, to the wife. I know that
immediately. And I know if she likes what she
sees immediately, you know, from those little
nonverbal cues that I'm getting from her. Um,
or she will look at him in a certain way. And
I know, okay, that's that look. She likes what
she sees and, you know, we're going to start
talking. But like I said, if there's, if there's
nothing there, if we don't have anything, you
know, and I'm trying and they're trying, but
we're just like, this ain't working, you know,
this isn't working. So that's what, um, and I
think a lot of, a lot of, uh, young bulls and
and even you know some seasoned guys sometimes
how they see is the physical and you know i want
this i want this i want this and maybe maybe
it does get to the bedroom but i guarantee you
damn dickhanger isn't gonna isn't gonna respond
the way you want you want it to it's nothing
like and i i can say it i can say it and it's
happened to me and a whole bunch of shit has
happened to me before my dick didn't respond
so you know Chemistry is everything. It's everything.
Yep. So going back to kind of why we were talking
about this, it's about so you have your own,
you have a program or things that you want them
to get on. But talk to me, and I'll ask Mr. Mocha
too, but talk to me about what you see when people
like, even I'm just going to say I was the guy
before. I was the guy that was like, I'm trying
to figure out how to get on their program. So
talk to me from the outside looking in. What
do you see that kind of like slows people down
or makes it harder on them because they have
that paradigm of how do I qualify for them? Because
I know Mr. Mocha is talking about being something
you're not. But as far as me, I didn't go in
there saying I'm going to. try to mold myself.
You end up thinking you have to, or you end up
kind of there, but you don't plan to be there.
You don't plan to be inauthentic or be somebody
you're not. You're just thinking, I like this.
The wife's hot, right? The couple has all these
requests or things they want. Let me see if I
can do it to get there. So like, what are you
guys seeing on that end? Some of the problems,
some of the things that takes longer, some of
the things that are frustrating. I think most
Bulls here, again, they don't know their value.
You know? Do you agree with that, Mocha? They
don't know their value, their worth. I think
a lot of guys here, again, and it's actually
a compliment to you, Mocha, to guys like yourself,
you know, my other Bull brothers. I think they
look at you and you set the bar so high. And
I'm talking about guys that go to the events
and stuff, you know what I mean? And I know guys
do this shit because when I first went to Atlanta,
I was scoping out the guys who I knew that were
the professionals, in other words. It was very,
very easy to pick out Mocha and Dimitri. They
stood out. They had that aura, you know? I knew
that I wasn't going to, like, approach them to
talk to them or anything like that. But I was
just kind of seeing how they maneuvered around,
you know, the AO. And I think these guys, here
again, they don't know. They don't know. They
don't know their own value. They don't know how
to sit down and this has nothing to do to, you
know, be whether you're a Sigma bull or you're
an Alpha bull. you know, Omega or whatever. You
just don't know your worth. You don't know your
worth. You don't know that you are the king of
kings. You know, your confidence level isn't
there. It's like guys who play basketball, okay?
When I played, although I was a skinny guy, you
couldn't tell me that I wasn't the original Stephen
Curry out there shooting the basketball. You
know what I mean? I knew my worth. I knew my
worth. I knew I could shoot. I knew I was good
at it. I didn't give a damn who I guarded out
there on the court. I just knew my value, okay?
A lot of bulls, here again, they see other guys
doing certain things. Sometimes a guy, and here
again, Mocha, I'm using you because of the physique
that they see, you know what I mean, the look
that you bring to the table. They get intimidated,
you know, and they think, oh, well, I got to
go out here now and start lifting all the weights
and, you know, get my body this way. And don't
get me wrong. Yes, you should have a body game.
You should. But you should have your body game.
That's here again as a part of your value. I
know knowing what works for you. They see other
guys doing they're like, you know, hey, I'm going
to try to emulate what this guy does. Don't do
that. You set yourself up for failure every time,
because like Mr. Mocha said. What I do one way
and it works for me. The other guy comes and
tries that shit and he looks like a total butthole.
You know, he looks like a fool. So I think the
biggest thing is knowing your value. And here
again, don't be afraid to get out there and talk
to that beautiful. woman or beautiful couple
if they shoot you down the first time okay i
got shot down all right but then go back to the
drawing board and say okay well what did i do
wrong what do i think i did wrong you know how
did i approach him was my approach was i too
uh um not standoffish but was i too aggressive
you know did i ask the right questions um look
at yourself in the mirror was my look right etc
etc you know Here again, know your value, get
yourself straight first, and then go out there
and tackle those couples. That's how I was laid.
I think that one thing for guys and couples to
understand in that comment, know your value.
That is not... Arrogance. Because 15 years ago,
my value was not the same. There's years of experience.
There's years of mistakes. The mistakes that
the guys are making out there, I've made those
mistakes. Evolution. Yeah, I mean, I've learned.
There's a lot of things that I tell guys when
I'm talking to guys, don't do, don't accept.
And a lot of those things are things that I learned
because I accepted them 10 times. You know, there's
a reason why I can talk about the husbands who
are telling you, fuck her like this, fuck her
like that. Because I've been that guy, and I'm
like, well, you know something, I'm trying to
be respectful, and the husband wants me to fuck
her like this. And, you know, fuck her harder,
fuck her harder. And now I'm listening to this
guy and I'm looking at her face. And, you know,
she put the gate up trying to push my hips back.
And now I'm in this position where it's like,
OK, I don't want to pile drive this lady. You
know, and I've said it before. I got a guy with
a five inch dick telling me to break her cervix.
I'm not going to do that. But and I will wind
up going soft. In the middle of a play date because
I got the husband telling me to fuck her a certain
way while I'm paying attention to her body and
that's not what she wants. It took a long time
for me to figure out how to deal with that. Okay,
I've also been in the situation when I tell guys
don't, you know, don't let the husband be this
crazy camera guy. We have a conversation. I don't
mind you recording when I play with your wife.
And I don't mind you telling me up front, hey,
I like to get a certain type of angles, you know.
But in the beginning, I didn't know that. So
I'm having sex, and the guy's like, hey, hey,
well, okay, stop and put her doggie style. Wait,
wait. Honey. Honey, ride him. Yeah, you got the
point. And I'm sitting here like, okay, I don't
have any rights as the guy because. I have been
in that position where I had been convinced by
the couples that as a guy, you know, what I,
how I feel is irrelevant. It's all about the
wife. It's all about the wife. No, there are
three individuals here. And three individual
goes into a mutual verbal contract to come in
here and we all have a good time. Okay. But for
years, I didn't know that I had an opinion. And
so oftentimes, I'd have couples asking, oh, why
didn't you come back? Because I didn't know that
I could be like, dude, you're making it fucking
weird. All right, I'm trying to have sex with
your wife, and you got a camera light over my
fucking shoulder. I can't tell you how many husbands
have said, you know, these fucking guys show
up over here and they can't perform. motherfucker,
your dick don't work on the best day. And you're
mad that I can't perform while you're talking
and you're shining the camera light in my face.
You won't even let my dick get hard before you.
So these are things when you start saying, know
your value. I'm not saying that. We're not saying
this in arrogance because there was a time when
we didn't know our value. Well, now when I go
into an interaction, it's not with arrogance.
It's with, hey, here's the deal. tell me what
you're into because we all have to have a good
time here. I don't go and say, look, this is
how I'm doing it. No, I go into an arrangement
with a couple. I'm interested. I want to know
what the husband likes. Okay, you like video.
Cool. What positions do you like to get? Because
I may try to put her in those positions. And
I'll tell you what, I'm happy to do the cameras,
to be on camera. I'm on camera. My dick's all
over the internet. Okay, I'm cool with that.
However, I need a second sport to warn mom. I
need a second to get in the headspace, so if
you give me a minute, and then that's cool. You
know, all of these things, these were years of
experiences, and I'm not talking about five or
ten experiences. This was hundreds of experiences
with, I mean, over hundreds of couples. I don't
want to come across as me being arrogant and
saying, know your value. Because, I mean, I've
talked to a couple before. You get some dude
that's 23 years old just because he's in great
shape and he's got a huge dick and he fucks like
an animal. He doesn't have enough life experience
to do all the shit that you want him to do and
know all the stuff you want him to know. And
then you go, oh, you know something, this guy,
this bull ain't shit. This bull's only had 15
or 20 experiences with different couples. He
is in his rookie season. He is confident in what
he does. But he doesn't have enough experience
yet to give you the experience you want. And
most couples aren't willing to help somebody
by giving them advice. They just expect every
guy to show up. And they think that every dude
has had 10 years of practice with a couple exactly
like them with their exact dynamics. And they
feel like, well, he can't come in and plead my
wife. He don't know what he's doing. So we go
back to as a guy, know your value and know when
you haven't had enough experience to offer. And
then that means there's more communication. Hey,
I definitely want to do a good job and I want
to be invited back. This is the experience I've
had. So you guys can kind of tell me what you
like and I can we can kind of figure it out together.
It's going to be a lot of years of figuring it
out with couples. before you can come in and
go oh I've been with a couple similar to this
I've been with 20 couples similar to this I think
I kind of know how to work this so that's when
when we say know your value don't think this
is arrogance this is a whole lot of Mr. Mocha
falling on his fucking face walking out of situations
you know not knowing that I could walk out of
situations being you know I have, and I feel
bad to say this, I can't tell you how many couples
I had ghosted because they just made the shit
way too uncomfortable. And back when I was in
my rookie season, like, I'm not going back into
that drama. And then I don't know how to politely
say, no, I don't want to come back because your
husband's being a fucking weirdo. Or no, I don't
want to come back because your wife. is not communicating,
but she expects me to know exactly what's happening
while the husband is, I didn't know how to say
that early on. So that's what I mean about knowing
your value. Exactly. I absolutely agree. And,
and gentlemen, for the gentlemen listeners out
there, our gentlemen bulls, it's just what Mocha
was saying. No, you know, I know he are not trying
to be, you know, sound arrogant or anything like
that. And yes, you will learn through evolving.
You hear me talk about that all the time. As
you get older, as you get older, the more experiences
you have, you will learn. And as you learn, gentlemen,
don't be afraid to speak what's on your mind.
If you have like, Smokey was saying, the porn
director who is standing over you. I've had that
shit before. I cannot perform with a husband,
like, walking all around me with the camera,
taking pics, taking the close -ups, and then
going back and then going, especially if you're
getting, like, behind me. I can't perform. I
can't perform. When I first started out with
my little escort gig, I had trouble. I had trouble
with that a few times. And I went back to my
handler and I was like, what should I do about
this? And she was saying, baby, tell them. You
know, tell them. You're young. You know what
I mean? You're young. This is your first time
doing this. So I went back and I was able to
sit down and have my. my, um, checklist as to,
you know, this is what I'm comfortable with.
This is what I'm not comfortable with. Um, you
know, it takes me a minute to get going, you
know, for some things, uh, some things I respond
faster with, et cetera, et cetera. So don't,
you know, don't think, don't get embarrassed.
That's what I'm trying to say. Don't get embarrassed.
If things don't go your way, those first four,
five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 times. All
right. It's a part of learning. It's a part of
evolving. And that is what makes you that quality
bull later on in life because you have had all
of those experiences and you know how to navigate,
like Mocha said. And I can't go any further because
Mocha hit everything. So take it over, nephew.
Yeah, yeah. That was good stuff. We're going
to be causing some time because I know Mr. Mocha
got some business. Exactly, exactly. You got
some business to take care of. I'm good. I got
15 more minutes. Yeah, so we're probably going
to do a couple more episodes of this because
I got a whole other categories of things that
I want to go over in this one. So I'll say it
this way. Well, I'll ask my question this way.
So Mr. Mocha, This is what I saw for myself.
And I just want you to kind of put a little commentary
on this. What I notice is it's the road you start
off in the road of learning about the person.
And what I'm saying is when you come with the
mentality of I'm trying to get on their program,
I'm trying to qualify for them, you end up. You
end up in a place where you are actually inauthentic
because they have all of their sets of needs
and desires and wants and everything. And if
you're a bull in the lifestyle, if you're in
a dynamic where you're expected to be the leader,
then what hit me was, well, you're expected to
have a program, right? But when you go in there
trying to see, well, what's theirs and how can
I fit into it? I ended up being like. I don't
want to do that, but like you said, I need to
be nice. I don't know if I could do that. I've
never done that. I don't know if I'm feeling
that. I've never tried it. But let me see if
I can try it and act like I'm liking it. So what
are some of the problems you see when you see
a lot of bulls going in there saying, well, let
me see what I can do to kind of fit, knowing
that they don't want to be authentic, but they
kind of end up in a place they don't really want
to be in? So now those are two different things.
So here's the thing. Like early on, if you're
still learning as a bull, you are going to wind
up in a lot of situations where you're like,
holy shit, because I've had a whole lot of holy
shit moments as a bull. Like that's going to
happen. There's going to be a lot of times where
you're introduced to some new shit. And here's
the thing. That's the beauty on the other side
of that. When you're meeting a couple, you're
not going in and saying, I'm the fucking boss.
We're going to do what I want. No, it's still
an exchange. There's still an exchange of sexual
energy. There's still an exchange of sexual experiences.
I'm not saying do that now. It's a completely
different thing. You wind up in a situation where
somebody like, hey, let's try this. And I'm like,
whoa, whoa, I'll do that. No, I'm cool. Like,
and you're going to, here's the thing. If you
have been a bull in the lifestyle long enough,
no matter how freaky you think you are or how
wild you think you are, somebody's going to introduce
some shit at you and be like, nah, I'm not cool
with that. It's just how it works. So when you
are confronted, there's a difference between
being confronted with new stuff where people
go, hey, would you mind trying this? Or would
you be interested in doing this? Because as a
bull, you, as a bull and an individual, you still
have the ability to go yes or no. That's how
you got to get your experiences. So early on,
you are going to go into a lot of situations
because you're trying to figure out who you are
as a bull. You can still be dominant and go into
a situation because it's like, I'm going to ask
everybody, what are you into? And every once
in a while, somebody's like, I like this. And
you're like, hmm. Well, I've never done that
before, but fuck it. Let's give it a shot. You
know, so a lot of things that you do, this is
why it's a time thing. you're going to go into
a whole lot of situations attempting to accommodate
people on your journey to see what you're into
because if you start at the very beginning, in
the very beginning, the concept of sticking your
dick in somebody's life is a little weird. Even
if you fantasize your whole life, the first time
you do it, it's a little weird. So that's something
that's new. And then as a bull, the first time
you're in a situation and you hear a wife completely
degrading her husband that's crazy okay then
you step up to the first time you're in a situation
where you're trying to fuck the wife and she's
telling you yeah tell him how miserable and how
weak he is and i'm like wait i gotta you want
me to do commentary and maintain an erection
Within his lifestyle, you are constantly being
introduced to new things. We're always getting
introduced to new things and new styles. You
know, hey, look, I can give you a list of things
that, hey, there's some things that I've seen
or some requests that I've gotten where I'm like,
holy shit. Are you joking? Like you, you know.
So you're going to be constantly, and then somebody
may offer some shit that you're like, huh. Well,
that's not my thing. Hell, the first time I ever
pissed on somebody's husband. Like, hey, will
you piss on my husband? I'm like, eh, that's
kind of weird. But explain this to me. You know,
because she like it really turned me on. So she
puts the poor bastard in the tub. And she's standing
there holding it for me, and my brain was like,
I'll try, but I couldn't do it. I couldn't do
it. And then over time, she would be talking
to me and telling me how she fantasizes about
me doing it and how wet she gets and how she
squirts thinking about it, and she inspired me
to go and piss on her husband and then fuck the
hell out of her. So you're going to be introduced
to some new shit. that you may or may not be
okay with. So I'm not saying go into it with
a closed mind because you do want to leave knowing
that you gave them an amazing experience. With
me, oftentimes, I will say go into it with an
open mind, but still, if you're the bull, be
able to say no. Be able to say, okay, cool. I'm
okay with doing this thing. But I am still going
to be me, and I am still my dominant self. So
with anything sexual and dealing with other human
beings in this type of situation, everything
is kind of nuanced. Because I'm a dominant person
by nature, but everything I know about sex, some
woman taught me. You know, and I take the experience
from all of those women and I learn to combine
them. And I've taken experience from all the
couples, the good and the bad experiences. And
I learned to combine them into my style, you
know. And so if you're new to this, if you're
a new bull, understand it's going to take you
time. And the more inexperienced bulls, yes,
you definitely have to be able to go in and.
experience and learn what different couples like
because I went into it and learned what so many
different couples liked. Then I have this reservoir
of experience that helps me know what I don't
want, what I don't like, and identify the type
of couple I do want to be with or don't want
to be with. Now, no matter how old you are as
a bull, if you just came to the lifestyle and
you've been in it for two or three years, yeah,
you have to have the mentality that I'm going
to go in and learn how as many couples out there
want to do it because it doesn't mean you can't
be in control of the situation. It doesn't mean
you can't be dominant. You know, a lot of it
is an experience thing. And they're going to
expect you because of your age. if you are a
little bit older, they're going to go into that
already thinking that you know, that you know
a few things, you know? Am I right or wrong,
Mocha? They're going to expect you because of
your age, because you're seasoned age -wise,
that you know some things, you know? Even though
you may have been in this, you know, a year,
two, three years, whatever. Now, don't get me
wrong. You're going to be able to adapt and learn.
a hell of a lot quicker than that younger guy.
I kind of wish that I would have gotten into
this later in life rather than age 26. Because
I thought I knew, and I think I told you before,
nephew, I thought everything about sex involved
being a porn star, what I saw on porn. And I
was so fucking wrong. I was so wrong. So here
again, I had to be like Mocha. I had to learn
through trial and error. Thank God my handler
had patience with me because she did. She taught
me. She taught me. She taught me a whole bunch
of things. I knew the physical, but I had to
learn the emotional. You know, I had to learn.
I had to learn how to read couples. I had to
learn how to talk to husbands. I had to learn
how to. read body language um and here again
for a couple of years i had to do uh there were
some times where i had to deal with some couples
that i was not necessarily attracted to you know
because i was in a certain field where you know
i had to perform you know what i mean um and
so that's um the evolution it just all boils
down it boils down to the evolution um and i
think that was one of our topics at one time
wasn't it evolution of becoming a quality bull
you know that's what that's what this boils down
to that's what it boils down to um and it is
it is all about patience it is all about like
like mocha said learning through trial and error
you know but once you have put together your
Your package, your equation that works for you,
you'll be knocking things out of the park. You'll
be knocking things out of the park. I don't care.
And I don't care what type of couple that it
is. I don't care what type of couple that it
is. I don't care what type of couple. I don't
care what the couple's looking for. You'll be
able to immediately latch on to that and blend
right in. Just blend right in and be able to
give them that. whether it be the boyfriend experience
or just, you know, providing some good dick for
a while or just a companionship type of thing,
you know, because a lot of times, a lot of times,
man, couples, they want that third party to just
hang out with. You know, the sex might come later,
but they want that third party to hang out with.
Believe me. And that's more fun, man. God damn,
that's fun as hell. When you go somewhere and
it's the three of you all. And everybody's looking
at you like, what the fuck is this? I read about
it, but I'm seeing this, you know what I mean?
So evolution, yeah, that's what it's all about.
Evolution. Mastering the art of seduction, finding
your sweet spot as to what equation works for
you, and then going from there, in my opinion.
Yeah, I definitely agree. I definitely agree.
You know, because it's, and it's interesting
when you think about, I think a lot of people
forget when you're talking about a guy, okay,
when you're looking through a man's lens, very
few men are singular in their sexual play style.
So as a guy, I may want a woman who I just want
to, I can go in and just fuck. I can go in and
have a conversation. I can be sensual. I can
be all of these different things. So it's not
like we're usually one way. And as a guy, for
me personally, I always wanted to know that I
had the ability to bring a woman pleasure. Like
that's a big deal for me. Number one, number
one thing. So before the lifestyle, you know,
I, I was, I fired off as a massage therapist.
That's what I did first. I, I'm a very touchy
feely person. I like to touch a woman's body.
Like I, I want to know all the ways she likes
pleasure. It's very easy for you to be adaptable
to a woman's sexual desires because that's what
we want. As a bull, we want to be able to go
in and offer her an experience better than as
best that we can. The thing that makes you different
as a bull is you are trying to physically satisfy
the wife. But you are emotionally giving the
husband a sensation. A sensation, yep. It's three
people here. His gratification is coming through
secondhand sex. So a bull is not just a penis.
A successful bull is not just a penis. A successful
bull understands that. You're trying to bring
the wife physical pleasure while giving this
husband this, whether it gives him some sort
of... Bottom line, it's still sexual. It's still
sexual for him. He's still getting sexual pleasure.
Let's just say it what it is. I mean... Guys
don't like the way it sounds. I've said this
to guys before. I'm not giving him sexual gratification.
Shut the fuck up. You are giving him sexual gratification.
If he in the corner with a cage on or if he's
standing there stroping his dick watching you
fuck his wife, you are giving him sexual gratification.
His is more, you know, cerebral. That turns into
physical while you are giving her physical. And
you are, as a bull, if you're taking on the bull
moniker, you're learning how to satisfy both
of them, okay? And the way you do that is by
learning and practicing and experiencing. And
if you're the kind of guy who had the ability
to talk to a woman in a vanilla world because
that wife still requires the same thing and oftentimes
the husband wants to see it or... If you go into
a situation where the husband is like, look,
I just want you to come in and fuck my wife.
You know, that's what our dynamic is. I'm comfortable
with that as well. You know, as a bull, you're
going to wear a different hat. But you get to
choose what hat you wear. There are going to
be some couples. I turn down couples online every
day. Let me phrase that. I don't mean every day
because I don't get people reach out to me every
day. Excuse me. I turn down. More couples online
than I will accept for the simple fact that they
come at me in a way that is not okay with me.
I literally had a guy send me a message on FetLife
the other day. Hey, I see you play with Hot Wives.
I'm glad. I'm going to send some pictures of
my wife later on so we can get together. Go fuck
yourself. Who the fuck are you talking to? You
know, now I know a lot of guys, if the wife is
hot enough, he's going to deal with that. Meaning,
I don't give a fuck how hot she is. I'm not,
there's certain things I'm not going to do. So
when I start talking about me bringing people
into my style of playing, I have many hats that
I can wear. Ideally, you want... to experience
me while I'm wearing one of my mini caps. But
if you try to make me do some shit, I'm not trying
to adapt to some shit that I'm not into. I'm
not trying to go into a tool bag and go, yeah,
I know this is the kind of guy that wants me
to do this or that, but I don't like it, but
man, I really want to fuck his wife. No, fuck
that. Ain't no pussy that good. Ain't no pussy
that good. I've had too much of it. You know,
I can say no. I can wear it down. Damn, what
does that come down to, nephew? Knowing your
what? Knowing your value, right? Knowing your
value. Knowing your worth. That's it. That is
it. Knowing your value. Knowing your worth, man.
Damn. I can't come back with nothing shit after
Mocha. Mocha's just hitting the holy grail right
now. I can't come back with anything. You know
what I mean? I tell you, I like running my mouth.
But, brother, when it's the gospel, there ain't
nothing for me to damn say. I think it's safe
to say, ladies and gentlemen, that Mr. Mocha
and I are really the exact same type of quality
bull. We may do things a little differently.
We may present things a little differently. But
we are the exact same. I think I can say honestly
that. He's like me when it comes to the pleasure
thing. It is all about the woman's pleasure for
me. I want to, I have to get her off. I need
to get her off. Okay. Couples please me when
they reach out to me. When they reach out to
me the right way. And here again, that was what
Mocha was saying a few minutes ago. We know our
value. We know our worth. And you're just not
going to come off on me. basically tell me okay
i'm gonna send pictures and you know you're gonna
do this so we're gonna get together yeah fuck
you and die all right pussies like a savings
account okay i'll make a withdrawal the interest
is gone so don't don't think that you're gonna
you know come here and and and tell me what the
hell i'm gonna do with your wife no approach
me here again approach me like the gentleman
husband that you should be and then we go from
there we talk We establish a rapport. And then
you can show me that lovely wife of yours. And
if we get together and there's some chemistry,
then there we go from there. Amen. Amen. Listen,
thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I mean, that's
it. That is it. You made it sound so simple.
I know I be making that shit sound complicated,
but... If you do what he just said, for those
couples who I pretend like I didn't see your
message, I'll probably respond. I will probably
respond. If I don't, maybe there was not a mutual
attraction. But when you know that your life
is hot and you're like, oh, I have somebody message
like, my wife looks like the girls on your, the
women in your videos. Why won't you respond to
me? Cause you're a dick. That's why I won't respond
to you. Because you're not hitting me with the
basic. Hi, how are you? My name is my wife. Exactly.
You're looking at me as only a dick. All right.
You're taking that term bull and you're actually
making that shit fucking derogatory in a way.
Cause you're looking at me as only a piece, just
a dick. You don't mean just a penis. And, you
know, I just need you for your damn penis. OK.
And here again, fuck you and die. We'd be part
two on just that topic. Now you preaching the
gospel. We can. We can. We will definitely do
part two on just that topic. But, yeah, there's
just, you know, I am more than just providing
penis. OK. Matter of fact, that's the last thing
on my fucking mind. We will get to that. We will
get to that, but I want you to get to know me,
not just the bull, but I want you to know me.
I want you to be able to trust me, et cetera,
et cetera, and then we go from there. We got
to have the damn communication. We have to have
the established rapport. We have to have the
trust. We have to have the whole nine yards before
I deal with you. That's it. That is it. I don't
care how damn fine your damn wife is. I don't
care. I give her that compliment. Beautiful lady.
But until we establish all of that, it's not
going to happen. It's not going to happen. I
passed the BBC Bulls stage a long time ago. I
passed that. I had that shit when I was escorting.
And to be honest with you, it kind of got old
quick. It kind of got old really quick. So, you
know, this is where we are now. And and I say
we because I said Mocha's Mocha's in the same
boat. It takes a lot. It takes a lot to to toot
our horn, ladies and gentlemen. It takes a lot.
It really does. And here again, not trying to
sound conceited or arrogant or anything like
that. But when you talk to the three of us, when
you talk to the three of us, we are the definition
of what that quality. Bull is. Period. Facts.
End of story. Drop the mic. Drop the mic. I'm
with you because it's the experience at this
point. I mean, I can have as much sex as I want,
but giving experience is what I want to do. That's
it. That is it. And ladies and gentlemen, we're
going to call it a night. As we said before,
Mr. Mocha has a few things to do, but please,
please tune in to part two. He will be back in
the very near future, and we will continue this
conversation. As for myself, the Sigma male,
I am calling out all my quality bulls out there.
You've heard us, all right? We're speaking the
gospel. For Nephew, Socrates, myself, and Mr.
Mocha, to all the bulls out there, good night.
To all my hot wives, ladies out there. good morning
until we talk again i'll be to say cheers bye
-bye