WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.419 I'm going to get my stuff together. I'm going 00:00:01.419 --> 00:00:04.320 to do this. Yeah, yeah. What? I would like to 00:00:04.320 --> 00:00:07.099 know just one. You don't? Tell me later. No, 00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:09.560 no. I'm not going to do that. I will give you 00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:12.820 the bestest blowjob you have ever had in your 00:00:12.820 --> 00:00:16.859 entire life. The bestest, longest, sloppiest, 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:24.079 juiciest, tongues - I don't know. This podcast 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:28.140 contains explicit adult content. Mature themes 00:00:28.140 --> 00:00:32.079 and candid conversations about sex, dominance, 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:36.600 power exchange, and ethical non -monogamy. It 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:40.920 is intended for audiences 18 and over only. Listener 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:44.920 discretion is advised. 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Welcome to another informative 00:02:21.610 --> 00:02:24.789 episode of the Bull Brotherhood Podcast. I'm 00:02:24.789 --> 00:02:26.710 the single male themself, Brian Morgan, coming 00:02:26.710 --> 00:02:30.729 at you with the family, the beautiful and lovely 00:02:30.729 --> 00:02:34.210 Siren. Say what's up, beautiful. What's up, beautiful? 00:02:37.770 --> 00:02:41.490 And of course, the perpetual student, my nephew, 00:02:41.650 --> 00:02:44.889 Socrates. What's good? What's good, man? I'm 00:02:44.889 --> 00:02:49.259 doing good. Good deal. Good deal. Ladies and 00:02:49.259 --> 00:02:52.740 gentlemen, tonight we have a topic that this 00:02:52.740 --> 00:02:57.960 is really one that nephew is going to lead. The 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:01.400 topic is, of course, swinging. And, of course, 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:04.340 I tell people all the time I have had very little 00:03:04.340 --> 00:03:08.919 contact in the swinging world, although I do 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:15.250 have a lovely. that we are in a polyamorous relationship 00:03:15.250 --> 00:03:18.110 with, they are active swingers. But I do not 00:03:18.110 --> 00:03:21.009 really dive into that world. But tonight, though, 00:03:21.050 --> 00:03:22.969 we're going to discuss, I guess, the pros and 00:03:22.969 --> 00:03:26.469 cons of swinging. So at this time, I'm going 00:03:26.469 --> 00:03:28.030 to turn it over to the perpetual student himself, 00:03:28.270 --> 00:03:30.689 Socrates. He's going to lead this tonight. Take 00:03:30.689 --> 00:03:33.430 it away, brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So 00:03:33.430 --> 00:03:38.409 one of our, you know, our goals here and our 00:03:38.409 --> 00:03:43.340 desires at the Bull Brotherhood. podcast is that 00:03:43.340 --> 00:03:47.280 we know that we are in a niche of a niche. And 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:52.000 what I mean by that is, you know, if you're in 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:54.539 ethical non -monogamy, you're a niche, right? 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:57.900 Even though people cheat, we're still the minority. 00:03:59.259 --> 00:04:04.879 And then if you look at the kind of ethical non 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:07.979 -monogamy that we practice, considering all the 00:04:07.979 --> 00:04:11.639 variations. that you can practice ethical non 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:14.199 -monogamy, we're in a niche of a niche, which 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:20.540 is, you know, hot wife, interracial, bulls, cuckold 00:04:20.540 --> 00:04:23.259 relationships, stag vixen. These are niches of 00:04:23.259 --> 00:04:28.759 niches. So why would anybody besides the people 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:30.600 in this community want to hear anything we have 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:35.560 to say, especially broader in the ethical non 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:38.870 -monogamy space and beyond? Because we know and 00:04:38.870 --> 00:04:41.850 we understand and we believe that we have skills 00:04:41.850 --> 00:04:44.990 that everybody in every dynamic, whether it be 00:04:44.990 --> 00:04:50.290 monogamous, conservative, liberal, and I mean 00:04:50.290 --> 00:04:55.370 types, not political families, and swinging everything. 00:04:55.990 --> 00:04:58.750 So what we're going to talk about is just our 00:04:58.750 --> 00:05:01.470 perspective on it. And like Unk said, he doesn't 00:05:01.470 --> 00:05:04.110 have a lot of experience in it, but he has been 00:05:04.110 --> 00:05:06.389 around the block. That's all we have going here 00:05:06.389 --> 00:05:09.250 because he has a really cool perspective. And 00:05:09.250 --> 00:05:11.730 guess what? Sometimes we may not agree or sometimes 00:05:11.730 --> 00:05:13.269 we're not going to talk about everything we like 00:05:13.269 --> 00:05:15.550 or love. We're just going to share our opinion 00:05:15.550 --> 00:05:18.750 from our perspective. You know, you know, as 00:05:18.750 --> 00:05:21.129 a nerd, as somebody who researches, I encourage 00:05:21.129 --> 00:05:23.110 you to do your research. You know, I encourage 00:05:23.110 --> 00:05:26.470 you to, you know, hit us up and see if, well, 00:05:26.529 --> 00:05:27.990 you know what? I can test what you're saying 00:05:27.990 --> 00:05:30.430 here. I think your numbers are off or your research 00:05:30.430 --> 00:05:32.889 is skewed, whatever. So that's what we're going 00:05:32.889 --> 00:05:37.899 to do. And plus. You know, for the first couple 00:05:37.899 --> 00:05:42.220 of weeks, Siren and I started off swinging. But 00:05:42.220 --> 00:05:46.680 I would have to go back to. No, we didn't. From 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:50.399 the first night. Oh, well, we did full swap the 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:54.720 first. We full swapped the first night. I wasn't 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:58.819 so sure because, you know, as you know, I love 00:05:58.819 --> 00:06:01.839 the brothers. And that's been my preference for 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:05.040 a long time. But I wasn't sure if it was going 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:09.040 to be successful because the guy was not. But 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:12.199 he was amazing. It was super fun. That was a 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:14.259 really fun full swap. It started with me going 00:06:14.259 --> 00:06:17.600 down on her, though. And I hadn't eaten pussy 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:22.079 in 12 years. And then she came a couple of times. 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:28.240 And she said it was great. So I was like, sweet, 00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:31.779 back in the game. And then we had a group play 00:06:31.779 --> 00:06:35.490 session. two group play sessions and another 00:06:35.490 --> 00:06:39.990 full swap. So, yeah. So right away, we were, 00:06:40.029 --> 00:06:42.629 like, past the full swap there. Like, right away. 00:06:44.350 --> 00:06:48.649 And I practiced swinging in my previous relationship. 00:06:49.129 --> 00:06:54.029 So, you know, basically swinging is a subset 00:06:54.029 --> 00:06:57.250 of ethical non -monogamy. It's when usually it's 00:06:57.250 --> 00:07:00.589 a heterosexual couple who decides to open their 00:07:00.589 --> 00:07:05.339 relationships up and... you know, ethically and 00:07:05.339 --> 00:07:09.680 consensually and hopefully with as much education 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:13.199 as possible. And enjoyably. Enjoyably. You know, 00:07:13.220 --> 00:07:16.560 it's going to be fun. Educationally. Right. Get 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:20.360 into this lifestyle. And they decide to full 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:23.540 swap or soft swap or have experiences with other 00:07:23.540 --> 00:07:27.100 couples. So the husband, you know, is looking 00:07:27.100 --> 00:07:31.139 to interact with from flirting to. full -on sex 00:07:31.139 --> 00:07:36.120 with another man's wife, and his wife is looking 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:38.500 to do the same thing with her husband. So that 00:07:38.500 --> 00:07:41.860 is the essence of swinging. It is how the lifestyle 00:07:41.860 --> 00:07:48.600 began in America. Now, there's been millions 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:50.860 of versions of it all over the world, all over 00:07:50.860 --> 00:07:54.139 history. But in America, it actually got started. 00:07:54.339 --> 00:07:56.980 Do you know how swinging got started in America? 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:02.670 I actually do not. Tell me. And we're both, you 00:08:02.670 --> 00:08:05.870 know, men have served in branches, me, the Navy, 00:08:05.930 --> 00:08:09.990 and you, the Army, correct? Correct. Well, it 00:08:09.990 --> 00:08:11.949 was the Air Force. It was the Chair Force, y 00:08:11.949 --> 00:08:17.310 'all. So back in World War II, you would think 00:08:17.310 --> 00:08:20.910 the infantry was the most endangered or at risk 00:08:20.910 --> 00:08:23.930 of dying in the military, and it was not. It 00:08:23.930 --> 00:08:28.379 was actually the fighter pilots. So these guys 00:08:28.379 --> 00:08:30.000 were getting picked off left and right. And we 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:33.039 were winning most of the time. We were getting 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:36.279 picked off left and right. So eventually, the 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:38.120 new recruits that are coming in that kind of 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:42.080 knew this would be like, hey, man, you know, 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:45.120 get to the point where they're going to be in 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.539 combat. They're getting deployed. And they're 00:08:48.539 --> 00:08:51.120 like, I don't know if I'm going to come back 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:54.039 to be alive. And I just got married. I want my 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:56.700 wife to be. taken care of, or my kids, or maybe 00:08:56.700 --> 00:08:59.600 we just started a family. Can you take care of 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:01.320 her? Yeah, well, all right. If you want to include 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:04.039 sex in that, of course, I'm going to be dead. 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:07.879 You know, just take care of her, right? So I 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:10.279 don't want her in these streets. This is serious. 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:12.500 If you look up, actually, there's a book called 00:09:12.500 --> 00:09:15.860 The Lifestyle, and it's like, chronicalizes the 00:09:15.860 --> 00:09:18.639 beginning of it and talks about it and research 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:22.490 and everything. And so they started that. And 00:09:22.490 --> 00:09:25.110 then it actually then developed later on into 00:09:25.110 --> 00:09:29.009 the 70s to the key parties. So if you guys have 00:09:29.009 --> 00:09:35.309 ever watched The Grinch, the one with Jim Carrey, 00:09:35.429 --> 00:09:39.190 there's a scene in it where they're dancing inside 00:09:39.190 --> 00:09:41.629 and they're throwing a key into this glass bowl. 00:09:42.990 --> 00:09:45.929 And there's a movie that Sigourney Weaver was 00:09:45.929 --> 00:09:49.299 in where they did the same thing. And then that 00:09:49.299 --> 00:09:52.220 really weird bee movie that we saw about swinging 00:09:52.220 --> 00:09:56.600 and the neighbor becoming obsessed. Right. There's 00:09:56.600 --> 00:10:00.039 a lot of bee movies about it. There actually 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:06.460 is a scene in The Hunting Wives where she's, 00:10:06.460 --> 00:10:09.639 it's kind of swinging, where they kind of can 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:13.379 date other people or play with other people outside 00:10:13.379 --> 00:10:15.340 of it. But it's a version of swinging. It's kind 00:10:15.340 --> 00:10:17.129 of a loose version of swinging. Yeah, but the 00:10:17.129 --> 00:10:19.429 wife can only play with other women. And that's 00:10:19.429 --> 00:10:21.409 why I say it's aversion because the man, there's 00:10:21.409 --> 00:10:25.990 a lot of times where in swinging, you know, sometimes 00:10:25.990 --> 00:10:28.590 it's because the man's being kind of forceful 00:10:28.590 --> 00:10:30.529 and sometimes it's just because the way it works 00:10:30.529 --> 00:10:32.490 out, the woman's fine with it. Where it would 00:10:32.490 --> 00:10:34.549 be like, oh, well, I can play with as many women, 00:10:34.590 --> 00:10:37.389 but you can only play with me, right? Or you 00:10:37.389 --> 00:10:39.470 can only play with one other guy. They'll restrict 00:10:39.470 --> 00:10:43.049 the woman. And, you know, that's, you know, if 00:10:43.049 --> 00:10:45.889 it's... unconsensual we don't you know if you're 00:10:45.889 --> 00:10:47.870 doing that you don't and your wife wants to play 00:10:47.870 --> 00:10:50.450 and you're just jealous or selfish we don't condone 00:10:50.450 --> 00:10:53.429 that but there are those dynamics where the wife 00:10:53.429 --> 00:10:55.789 is just not interested she likes women she wants 00:10:55.789 --> 00:10:58.190 to explore the women's side more than she wants 00:10:58.190 --> 00:11:00.370 to explore men and that works out great for him 00:11:00.370 --> 00:11:03.409 he's like okay bad you know works wins you know 00:11:03.409 --> 00:11:09.350 win -win so we now it's it's really taken on 00:11:09.350 --> 00:11:12.690 a life where i don't know that any one Any one 00:11:12.690 --> 00:11:16.769 couple is 100 % just like, you know, full swap 00:11:16.769 --> 00:11:22.629 swingers. But I would say swinging is about 60 00:11:22.629 --> 00:11:28.129 % of ethical non -monogamy that's not polyamorous. 00:11:28.330 --> 00:11:33.870 Would you agree, Siren? Yes. I was thinking, 00:11:33.990 --> 00:11:37.919 and I was kind of stuck on... the whole consensual 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:40.960 thing of like everyone agreeing and being agreed 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:45.419 in agreements on that because I have a local 00:11:45.419 --> 00:11:48.399 guy that I've just briefly been chatting with 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.360 and it came up today I was asking you know I 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:55.320 was like going through all my process and I'm 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:57.299 like all right you're gonna have to talk to my 00:11:57.299 --> 00:12:00.960 husband soon um you know would you like to meet 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:04.139 for a drink to see if we even vibe And so we're 00:12:04.139 --> 00:12:05.799 kind of working out the details with that. And 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:09.759 I said, if we vibe, can you host sometimes? And 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:12.379 he said, no, I can't because my family's there. 00:12:14.139 --> 00:12:17.159 And, you know, he's like, otherwise I would. 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:20.440 And I said, OK, family. I was like, like a wife 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:25.039 and kids or. And he said, yeah, he's like, people 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:26.919 have families. And I said, oh, yeah, I have no 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:29.799 problem with having a family. you know and and 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:32.159 then I accidentally typed if you have a boyfriend 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:36.039 and kids I don't care you know it was but I meant 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:38.379 wife and kids and he said yeah I have a wife 00:12:38.379 --> 00:12:41.919 and you know she just says as long as I don't 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:43.620 bring any drama home blah blah blah well then 00:12:43.620 --> 00:12:46.779 I move on to our ethical standard which is Socrates 00:12:46.779 --> 00:12:50.519 and I have to verify with that partner that we 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:53.759 can play with them and so I asked him about that 00:12:54.330 --> 00:12:56.870 And then he basically gave me this answer that 00:12:56.870 --> 00:12:59.830 was like saying, no, you're not fucking talking 00:12:59.830 --> 00:13:04.190 to my wife. So this is where I say thank you 00:13:04.190 --> 00:13:06.789 for being honest with me and sharing your dynamic. 00:13:07.590 --> 00:13:10.830 I wish you well. Ethics are very important in 00:13:10.830 --> 00:13:13.409 the swinging situation. And then what was the 00:13:13.409 --> 00:13:15.809 rest of it? Can you repeat that part for me after 00:13:15.809 --> 00:13:19.269 that? My brain just got stuck on that. Stuck 00:13:19.269 --> 00:13:21.809 on what part? Stuck on the part about consenting. 00:13:22.190 --> 00:13:24.470 And everybody being in agreement of what you're 00:13:24.470 --> 00:13:26.889 going to do. And then I told that story about 00:13:26.889 --> 00:13:30.590 the ethics. Yeah, no, no, no. So, I mean, basically, 00:13:30.590 --> 00:13:32.690 we're just kind of given the foundations of what 00:13:32.690 --> 00:13:36.809 swinging is. Right. And to people outside, you 00:13:36.809 --> 00:13:38.789 know, if you're in the vanilla world, and vanilla 00:13:38.789 --> 00:13:40.549 doesn't mean bad. It just means you're not doing 00:13:40.549 --> 00:13:44.149 this stuff. You're, you know, you want to be 00:13:44.149 --> 00:13:48.279 monogamous. You know, from the outside looking 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:51.379 in, it might look all confusing. And some people 00:13:51.379 --> 00:13:53.240 in this lifestyle don't even like the labels, 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:56.960 right? I like labels not because they restrict 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:01.179 you, but because they help define distinctions. 00:14:01.259 --> 00:14:04.700 When is one thing something and not the other, 00:14:04.820 --> 00:14:10.440 right? But, Unk, let me ask you a question. I 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:14.100 know... Go ahead. I know you have, you said you 00:14:14.100 --> 00:14:15.840 have very little experience. What experience 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:19.200 have you had with swinging personally, even if 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:21.860 it's just people you've been with and they're 00:14:21.860 --> 00:14:27.700 sharing their stories? I've been invited with 00:14:27.700 --> 00:14:32.980 a few couples to attend swinger events. Some 00:14:32.980 --> 00:14:36.840 of the events actually were, you know, telling 00:14:36.840 --> 00:14:41.159 you, asking for a few vetted single guys to come. 00:14:42.459 --> 00:14:45.860 Some didn't know that I was coming until I arrived 00:14:45.860 --> 00:14:52.980 there with the couple. I sit back. You know me. 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:58.039 I sit back and I watch. And I just see how a 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:01.059 lot of the times you have a couple there. Let's 00:15:01.059 --> 00:15:03.320 say you have an extremely attractive couple there. 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:06.519 Both of them are very, very attractive. Sometimes 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:09.679 they just don't mesh with a whole lot of other 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:16.179 couples. Or there's I'm not a drinker at all. 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:19.200 I don't drink. I don't smoke. Alcohol may be 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:24.460 involved at parties and you get ones women. They 00:15:24.460 --> 00:15:28.779 get completely tore out of the damn frame and 00:15:28.779 --> 00:15:34.340 they may try to come on to a to a husband and 00:15:34.340 --> 00:15:37.539 the wife. OK, I'm standing right here. You know, 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:41.100 you don't see me. It's just it's just too many 00:15:41.100 --> 00:15:44.139 things. It's too many things, too many variables 00:15:44.139 --> 00:15:48.220 for me that can happen when all four people aren't 00:15:48.220 --> 00:15:51.080 on the same page. You know, I've seen two couples 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:53.240 who look like that. They were I'm saying myself, 00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:55.419 OK, they look like they might they might mesh. 00:15:55.899 --> 00:16:00.600 But in the conversation, it didn't happen. It 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:03.620 didn't happen. And I don't know if the communication 00:16:03.620 --> 00:16:06.539 just was not there. You know what I mean? They 00:16:06.539 --> 00:16:08.360 just didn't know how to talk to each other to 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:12.360 maybe make everything click or something else. 00:16:12.820 --> 00:16:18.139 But I was like, I don't like this type of lifestyle. 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:22.919 So, you know, I choose not to dive into it. Like 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:25.899 I say, even though Phillip and Lindsey, my couple, 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:29.980 they do. But she kind of knows that when they 00:16:29.980 --> 00:16:32.139 come back from an event, she may tell me a little 00:16:32.139 --> 00:16:34.509 something about it. I kind of know what happened 00:16:34.509 --> 00:16:36.129 there. She ended up playing with a whole lot 00:16:36.129 --> 00:16:40.750 of the women and not necessarily any guys, you 00:16:40.750 --> 00:16:44.649 know, because for her now, she is a hot wife. 00:16:44.769 --> 00:16:48.309 She lives in the hot wife world. You know, Phillip 00:16:48.309 --> 00:16:52.549 does his thing at the party if he so chooses. 00:16:53.190 --> 00:16:55.529 But, you know, a lot of times, you know, she 00:16:55.529 --> 00:17:01.570 doesn't. So it's four ones. It's for couples, 00:17:01.690 --> 00:17:04.410 and for the couples who love it, hey, my hat's 00:17:04.410 --> 00:17:08.890 off to you. But just myself, I've chosen not 00:17:08.890 --> 00:17:12.990 to dive into it. Yeah, so I want to talk about 00:17:12.990 --> 00:17:16.130 those. So in my first relationship in the lifestyle, 00:17:16.549 --> 00:17:20.650 you know what I've noticed about that? What you're 00:17:20.650 --> 00:17:23.730 talking about, you're basically explaining how 00:17:23.730 --> 00:17:26.250 hard it is to find that four -way connection. 00:17:26.609 --> 00:17:29.859 And that's the same situation. with me and siren 00:17:29.859 --> 00:17:31.720 the only difference is we have a lot more options 00:17:31.720 --> 00:17:36.380 you know if we you strike out there and when 00:17:36.380 --> 00:17:38.740 you know my first relationship if we struck out 00:17:38.740 --> 00:17:40.900 in a four -way connection that's it no more options 00:17:40.900 --> 00:17:44.880 well it just didn't work you know go back to 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:48.799 the drawing board right i didn't know that do 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:53.210 you know that no oh so like you mean like after 00:17:53.210 --> 00:17:55.670 one time of trying it with one couple or well 00:17:55.670 --> 00:17:58.950 yeah okay so you know one of our favorite clubs 00:17:58.950 --> 00:18:04.650 was a club it's no longer open it's called um 00:18:04.650 --> 00:18:08.750 club fa club fa freedom makers and it was actually 00:18:08.750 --> 00:18:12.109 like a resort on one side you know like maybe 00:18:12.109 --> 00:18:14.809 like a couple of miles down the way one of the 00:18:14.809 --> 00:18:18.769 largest lifestyle clubs in the country had 69 00:18:18.769 --> 00:18:23.009 beds it had At one point, it had two dance floors 00:18:23.009 --> 00:18:27.910 and two hot tubs. It was amazing. Where was this 00:18:27.910 --> 00:18:30.890 located? It was in Southern California, San Bernardino, 00:18:31.130 --> 00:18:35.970 in the Longhire area, in SoCal, east of L .A. 00:18:36.029 --> 00:18:39.450 County. So anyway, we would go down there, and 00:18:39.450 --> 00:18:47.670 it was the best. It was a perfect cross -section 00:18:47.670 --> 00:18:54.329 of race. age color like you know it was it reflected 00:18:54.329 --> 00:19:00.349 california you know it was varying degrees of 00:19:00.349 --> 00:19:05.190 attractiveness size shape you know and it was 00:19:05.190 --> 00:19:09.230 it was dj was it was just great but yeah if you 00:19:09.230 --> 00:19:12.950 think about it right now siren and i can meet 00:19:12.950 --> 00:19:16.269 a couple and we vibe we can go siren and i can 00:19:16.269 --> 00:19:19.670 say you know what I'm going to get you a gang 00:19:19.670 --> 00:19:23.430 bang. You go in the room, get ready. I'll gather 00:19:23.430 --> 00:19:27.829 up 10 dudes. We'll get you taken care of. Siren 00:19:27.829 --> 00:19:30.190 can do the same for me. There's so many different 00:19:30.190 --> 00:19:33.589 things because we are so many different dynamics 00:19:33.589 --> 00:19:38.130 in one. And so we have those options, right? 00:19:38.369 --> 00:19:42.329 When you're swinging, you've got, and you're, 00:19:42.410 --> 00:19:44.930 you know, especially if you're new. You're swinging 00:19:44.930 --> 00:19:47.650 and you have maybe emotional issues to do or 00:19:47.650 --> 00:19:49.650 you're just a little bit more conservative or 00:19:49.650 --> 00:19:54.089 just only really tickles your fancy to find another 00:19:54.089 --> 00:19:56.910 couple, have that forward connection, right? 00:19:57.069 --> 00:19:58.990 And that's the only thing that's on the table 00:19:58.990 --> 00:20:01.789 because you're new. And so, yeah, we would go 00:20:01.789 --> 00:20:06.549 down there and, you know, we'd drive an hour 00:20:06.549 --> 00:20:08.710 and a half, two hours to get there. And you're 00:20:08.710 --> 00:20:11.049 there. You've got about four or five hours, right, 00:20:11.190 --> 00:20:14.829 to get in, get some drinks, get settled. Everybody 00:20:14.829 --> 00:20:18.670 comes, see who you can see, hopefully vibe with 00:20:18.670 --> 00:20:21.390 somebody, then sit down and talk to them because 00:20:21.390 --> 00:20:24.049 you're new. So you want to talk for two hours. 00:20:24.829 --> 00:20:27.529 Even the people that don't like to talk a lot 00:20:27.529 --> 00:20:29.930 want to talk that long. Believe it or not, I 00:20:29.930 --> 00:20:32.829 talk a lot. I wanted to get to it. I know, me 00:20:32.829 --> 00:20:35.069 too. That first night, I was like, let's go fuck 00:20:35.069 --> 00:20:37.710 each other. We're taking too long. I thought 00:20:37.710 --> 00:20:40.569 I had visions of people just constantly approaching 00:20:40.569 --> 00:20:44.289 us. And people just pairing off really quickly. 00:20:45.670 --> 00:20:50.449 That's the vision of every person. Everybody 00:20:50.449 --> 00:20:52.049 before they get into the lifestyle is like, oh, 00:20:52.190 --> 00:20:53.829 how's he going to go in that room? He's going 00:20:53.829 --> 00:20:55.990 to jump on you. He's like, come on, come on. 00:20:56.069 --> 00:20:58.809 No, but we would go down to a club like that, 00:20:58.829 --> 00:21:02.609 and then we were fairly good -looking people, 00:21:02.670 --> 00:21:05.710 so we would either get approached or approach, 00:21:06.009 --> 00:21:09.170 and then maybe that took, the whole process took 00:21:09.170 --> 00:21:12.750 an hour. All right, well, you've been there 45 00:21:12.750 --> 00:21:15.069 minutes. You approach. Now you're there an hour 00:21:15.069 --> 00:21:18.329 and 45 minutes. Then you start intermingling. 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:23.460 dancing and the vibe is not there so now it maybe 00:21:23.460 --> 00:21:25.680 took you 15 20 minutes to get see what the vibe 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:28.680 wasn't there and then another five minutes to 00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:30.480 figure out well how do we get the fuck out of 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:33.799 this you know yeah i think we've settled a lot 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:38.359 right like we kind of just like grab somebody 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:42.000 i felt myself getting anxious sometimes but then 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:44.839 there's other times where we haven't played at 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:48.240 all like when we went to privada yeah A lot of 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:50.180 people just standing around looking at each other. 00:21:50.220 --> 00:21:53.339 So we had sex with each other like four times, 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:55.579 which was awesome. Put on a big show in the middle 00:21:55.579 --> 00:22:00.160 of the room. He ate my pussy and I just squirted 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:04.500 everywhere and people clapped. It was cool because 00:22:04.500 --> 00:22:06.980 one of the guys that was working there like ran 00:22:06.980 --> 00:22:11.400 and got us towels. And he was like, this is the 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:15.099 best night of this job. He's like, thank you. 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:19.230 Thank you so much. It was the coolest. I felt 00:22:19.230 --> 00:22:23.849 like a celebrity, a squirt celebrity. I don't 00:22:23.849 --> 00:22:26.250 know. I felt very confident walking around there 00:22:26.250 --> 00:22:31.210 after that. Thank you for your hard work. I just 00:22:31.210 --> 00:22:34.130 laid there and enjoy and put on a little show 00:22:34.130 --> 00:22:39.190 for everyone. Tyron, she squirts and she screams. 00:22:42.329 --> 00:22:45.829 Yeah, so my point getting back to it is like, 00:22:47.470 --> 00:22:50.890 It's tough being a swinger, but that's why there 00:22:50.890 --> 00:22:53.210 are actually more events for swingers than anything. 00:22:53.890 --> 00:22:56.690 There's so many, you know, cruises you can go 00:22:56.690 --> 00:23:01.529 on to and clubs that only cater to swingers and 00:23:01.529 --> 00:23:05.009 resorts that only cater. It is the majority of 00:23:05.009 --> 00:23:07.210 it because it is so hard to find that connection. 00:23:07.490 --> 00:23:11.130 And that's why I don't really, I'm not mad at 00:23:11.130 --> 00:23:14.210 clicks in the lifestyle. Yeah. I'm really not 00:23:14.210 --> 00:23:18.740 because. It's a little different. I haven't even 00:23:18.740 --> 00:23:23.720 the driest club or event I've been to. They're 00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:26.660 way more funnier than people at the club, a regular 00:23:26.660 --> 00:23:33.140 club. And so, you know, it's like in this lifestyle, 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:37.400 we are, we're just, we're much more open. But 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:39.440 when you get in here, you're sharing your private 00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:41.140 parts. And if you're a poly, you're sharing your 00:23:41.140 --> 00:23:43.759 whole damn life. And eventually you start saying, 00:23:43.980 --> 00:23:47.559 it's not that I'm judging that crowd. I'm just, 00:23:47.619 --> 00:23:50.200 that's not my vibe right there. Yeah. Well, and 00:23:50.200 --> 00:23:54.259 we were talking about that with Kiki that was 00:23:54.259 --> 00:23:58.160 on the Siren of Freedom podcast this week. And 00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:01.980 how they also, like, we love her and her husband. 00:24:02.059 --> 00:24:04.539 They're great people. But they have their own 00:24:04.539 --> 00:24:06.619 little, like, pot of people. We have our own 00:24:06.619 --> 00:24:09.359 little pot of people. And the only time that 00:24:09.359 --> 00:24:13.309 we might cross paths. in the lifestyle is if 00:24:13.309 --> 00:24:17.269 we're at our local like lifestyle spot but as 00:24:17.269 --> 00:24:20.029 far as little parties go that's like it's normal 00:24:20.029 --> 00:24:22.009 to get a group of people like you said that you're 00:24:22.009 --> 00:24:25.670 comfortable with and you know that you feel safe 00:24:25.670 --> 00:24:29.190 around and then we all just kind of talk to each 00:24:29.190 --> 00:24:31.769 other all the time You know, like something my 00:24:31.769 --> 00:24:34.130 friend just texted me like, oh, my man's got 00:24:34.130 --> 00:24:36.069 a play date with so -and -so tonight. And then, 00:24:36.069 --> 00:24:38.829 you know, tomorrow we'll ask so -and -so how 00:24:38.829 --> 00:24:42.069 it was, you know. And it's just fun because we've 00:24:42.069 --> 00:24:43.970 all just become close -knit like that where we 00:24:43.970 --> 00:24:46.829 can just, you know, just freely chit -chat and, 00:24:46.910 --> 00:24:50.309 you know, enjoy one another's company. And it's 00:24:50.309 --> 00:24:53.049 a lot more comfortable for me personally on my 00:24:53.049 --> 00:24:56.970 journey of like just I love now telling these 00:24:56.970 --> 00:24:58.970 women like certain things that I want them to 00:24:58.970 --> 00:25:02.490 do while they're here. So that's fun for me. 00:25:03.009 --> 00:25:05.529 Yeah. But, you know, that's the good thing about 00:25:05.529 --> 00:25:09.470 our dynamic is we have those. Swingers don't. 00:25:10.190 --> 00:25:12.950 But here's the thing. I want another perspective 00:25:12.950 --> 00:25:16.369 on it. It's also, that's our perspective because 00:25:16.369 --> 00:25:20.930 our needs, our demands, our desires, our fantasies, 00:25:20.950 --> 00:25:24.789 how fast we're going, like, you know, that's 00:25:24.789 --> 00:25:27.849 the whole thing. But it's also great for some 00:25:27.849 --> 00:25:30.750 people that want to take it slow. Mm -hmm. It's 00:25:30.750 --> 00:25:32.750 great for some people that don't run a risk a 00:25:32.750 --> 00:25:35.730 lot. Yeah. Right. And some people. There's nothing 00:25:35.730 --> 00:25:37.869 wrong with anything that you choose or however 00:25:37.869 --> 00:25:40.710 long their journey takes. Yeah. That's what I 00:25:40.710 --> 00:25:43.509 liked about it. It's like it did give me the 00:25:43.509 --> 00:25:47.210 time I needed to ask a thousand questions because 00:25:47.210 --> 00:25:50.309 in, you know, we go to the parties, we go to 00:25:50.309 --> 00:25:55.170 the clubs, we go to the, you know, splash. There 00:25:55.170 --> 00:25:57.529 are some women that want you to invest maybe 00:25:57.529 --> 00:26:00.789 eight or nine hours. collectively before you 00:26:00.789 --> 00:26:03.990 get it in Splash, right? That's cool. In swinging 00:26:03.990 --> 00:26:07.390 situations, sometimes I invest in months just 00:26:07.390 --> 00:26:12.089 to even get a meet and greet, right? Wow. That 00:26:12.089 --> 00:26:15.130 was good that you guys did that then because 00:26:15.130 --> 00:26:20.109 this girl, this girl, yeah, she's the impatient 00:26:20.109 --> 00:26:23.410 one in the relationship, and I do not like the 00:26:23.410 --> 00:26:27.880 long game at all. My husband... He has himself 00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:32.200 a good time over there. But I get, I'm like a, 00:26:32.220 --> 00:26:35.000 hey, five text messages, let's meet for coffee. 00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:37.180 And then if we're cool, like, let's set up the 00:26:37.180 --> 00:26:41.799 session to play. I'm ready to go. But my husband 00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:43.920 will talk to some bitch for like, and bitch, 00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:47.319 when I say bitch, I mean, I love you. My friend, 00:26:47.339 --> 00:26:50.220 we call each other bitches all the time. So, 00:26:50.220 --> 00:26:54.539 so, you know, my husband will spend like a damn 00:26:54.539 --> 00:26:57.490 near a year talking to somebody. and get to play 00:26:57.490 --> 00:27:02.289 with them maybe twice at the most. And I just, 00:27:02.410 --> 00:27:07.009 the Lord made him for that and not me. But it 00:27:07.009 --> 00:27:10.910 kind of works out because I'm a girl, and so 00:27:10.910 --> 00:27:14.250 I don't have to play the long game most of the 00:27:14.250 --> 00:27:16.750 time. Would you agree with that, Socrates? We 00:27:16.750 --> 00:27:18.910 have to be talking about this. No, here's the 00:27:18.910 --> 00:27:22.990 thing. But you do enjoy, you will be getting 00:27:22.990 --> 00:27:25.470 to enjoy, there's some guys playing the long 00:27:25.470 --> 00:27:31.319 game with you. That you know about? Yes. Whatever. 00:27:31.900 --> 00:27:36.019 Okay. Are you serious? You're making me blush. 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:41.160 That's so sweet. That's so sweet that you know 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:46.880 about it. Sometimes a long game isn't, oh, I'm 00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:49.779 working on her. Sometimes a long game is, let 00:27:49.779 --> 00:27:52.019 me get my shit together before I even step to 00:27:52.019 --> 00:27:56.619 her. Why does somebody else, well... But in the 00:27:56.619 --> 00:27:58.380 lifestyle, why do you have to keep your shit 00:27:58.380 --> 00:28:00.339 together? I don't care if you broke on your mom's 00:28:00.339 --> 00:28:03.180 couch. You say that now, but I could name some 00:28:03.180 --> 00:28:06.079 people that you've kicked to the curb. As you 00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:07.519 should have, because your standard's raised. 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:11.519 And they know that? Yeah, okay. Oh, yeah. I'm 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:13.500 not talking about this particular person. You're 00:28:13.500 --> 00:28:16.059 not talking about financials. Sorry, I was thinking 00:28:16.059 --> 00:28:19.279 financially. No, no, no, no. You just mean character 00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:21.980 -wise. No, no, no, no. Some of them, I know of 00:28:21.980 --> 00:28:25.170 several. Number one. Number two, some might be 00:28:25.170 --> 00:28:28.210 financial. Others might be confidence. Others 00:28:28.210 --> 00:28:33.910 might be, you said, you've told very few, but 00:28:33.910 --> 00:28:36.109 you've told some guys, no, I'm not interested, 00:28:36.269 --> 00:28:40.390 straight up. And they're like, I'm going to get 00:28:40.390 --> 00:28:43.150 a second chance. I'm going to get my stuff together. 00:28:43.190 --> 00:28:46.049 I'm going to do this. Yeah, yeah. What? I would 00:28:46.049 --> 00:28:48.730 like to know just one. You don't? Tell me later. 00:28:48.869 --> 00:28:51.390 No. No. I'm not going to do that. I will give 00:28:51.390 --> 00:28:54.670 you the bestest blowjob you have ever had in 00:28:54.670 --> 00:28:58.869 your entire life. The bestest, longest, sloppiest, 00:28:59.049 --> 00:29:03.890 juiciest, tongues - I don't know. That kind. 00:29:03.950 --> 00:29:06.490 I don't know what guy or guys you all are talking 00:29:06.490 --> 00:29:09.250 about in the lifestyle that are worried about 00:29:09.250 --> 00:29:12.650 finances. All right. Hit before the end game, 00:29:12.769 --> 00:29:16.400 which is ass. But whoever the hell they are or 00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:18.839 he is or whatever, he needs to get the fuck out 00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:20.920 of the lifestyle if he's worried about finances. 00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:25.420 Yeah, it's not cheap. Period, though, if he's 00:29:25.420 --> 00:29:27.680 worried about that. What do you think, like, 00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:30.519 what does that financial stability represent 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:35.960 for you in Bulls? What does financial stability 00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:39.700 represent in Bulls? Yeah, well, for you, like, 00:29:39.779 --> 00:29:41.680 I want to hear, like, what is Brian thinking 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:47.140 about this? Okay. I'm definitely not going into 00:29:47.140 --> 00:29:50.839 talking to any couple or any woman thinking about 00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:55.380 my financial status. I'm not. I'm putting her 00:29:55.380 --> 00:29:57.619 on a pedestal. Believe me, I'm putting her on 00:29:57.619 --> 00:30:00.059 a pedestal. I'm getting to know her. I want to 00:30:00.059 --> 00:30:02.920 find out who she is, et cetera, et cetera. But 00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:07.359 am I thinking about my financial status, you 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:10.619 know, for the end game? No, I'm not. I'm not 00:30:10.619 --> 00:30:15.279 thinking about that. Okay. Now, if we're trying 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.900 to take this, well, no, let me ask, where are 00:30:18.900 --> 00:30:22.539 you going with this with these guys? All right. 00:30:23.500 --> 00:30:27.200 Is this just siren play date or is this siren 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:32.039 trying to go out on dates and et cetera, et cetera 00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:36.500 with these guys? I mean, you know, elaborate, 00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:41.349 elaborate what you expect. Oh, I don't, and I 00:30:41.349 --> 00:30:43.309 hope I didn't come across saying that I have 00:30:43.309 --> 00:30:46.930 financial requirements for the guys in the lifestyle 00:30:46.930 --> 00:30:49.130 because I'm taking care of them. Well, I mean, 00:30:49.190 --> 00:30:51.710 you know, the way, well, I'm just saying, or 00:30:51.710 --> 00:30:54.269 the way Socrates just said it, financial status, 00:30:54.369 --> 00:30:57.470 that I thought that, okay, the guy needs to have 00:30:57.470 --> 00:31:01.130 some type of, you know, his money needs to be 00:31:01.130 --> 00:31:05.410 long or something. No, at least he needs to be 00:31:05.410 --> 00:31:09.819 able to pay his cell phone bill. He doesn't get 00:31:09.819 --> 00:31:12.859 disconnected when he wants to call me. Well, 00:31:12.940 --> 00:31:17.680 let me jump in. Well, here's the thing. That's 00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:21.440 why they're coming to me for counsel. I'm telling 00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:23.160 them you don't have to worry about it. Some is 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.960 this legitimate, like, I need to get to Splash, 00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:29.680 or I need to fly to you, or I need to pay for 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:32.299 her to be able to fly out. It's more of like, 00:31:32.500 --> 00:31:36.799 I'm not even going to try or bullshit her. I'm 00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:38.319 just going to get it right. And I'm like, well, 00:31:38.420 --> 00:31:41.160 let's be creative. Or, brother, you know, don't 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:43.480 worry about that too much. Just start working 00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:46.400 on the relationship. She'll talk. You know, I'm 00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:48.519 counseling them. I'm not telling them they should. 00:31:48.660 --> 00:31:50.619 We don't have any. I pay for her pretty much. 00:31:50.740 --> 00:31:54.259 If I send her out, I pay for all that. Okay, 00:31:54.500 --> 00:31:56.480 but I'm just saying that you just, okay, now 00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:58.880 you just answered my question. So, okay then. 00:31:58.940 --> 00:32:02.039 Yeah, they have to be financially stable if they're 00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:04.400 going to fly, if she's going to fly to see them. 00:32:04.670 --> 00:32:07.009 Yeah. I don't want to broke out there. Yeah. 00:32:07.329 --> 00:32:09.589 I don't. The thing is this. My requirement is 00:32:09.589 --> 00:32:12.210 I fly her out. Are you going to pick her up? 00:32:12.329 --> 00:32:14.829 Are you going to take her out to eat? She had 00:32:14.829 --> 00:32:17.130 to pay for her own food. You know, are you going 00:32:17.130 --> 00:32:20.289 to or is it I'll fly her out. I'll take care 00:32:20.289 --> 00:32:22.769 of everything. You just deliver the dick, you 00:32:22.769 --> 00:32:25.450 know. But some of these guys, I tell them that 00:32:25.450 --> 00:32:27.630 I'm saying, hey, dude, if you just deliver a 00:32:27.630 --> 00:32:29.410 good dick and take care of her and treat her 00:32:29.410 --> 00:32:32.369 right. I'll take care of everything. Don't worry 00:32:32.369 --> 00:32:35.589 about that. And she's incredibly creative with 00:32:35.589 --> 00:32:39.670 all that travel hacking stuff. So I'm counseling 00:32:39.670 --> 00:32:43.710 them. But some dudes are. I was. So they're interested. 00:32:44.309 --> 00:32:47.009 Because for me, it's like, yeah, that's my only 00:32:47.009 --> 00:32:48.829 requirement. My point, I don't want to, you know, 00:32:48.849 --> 00:32:51.869 this podcast is about swinging. You know what? 00:32:52.130 --> 00:32:54.509 This is our podcast, and we do what the fuck 00:32:54.509 --> 00:32:56.650 we want. I just don't, I want to. I want to be 00:32:56.650 --> 00:32:58.630 disciplined on the subject matter. But my point 00:32:58.630 --> 00:33:04.509 is, my point is, is that that's why I'm counseling 00:33:04.509 --> 00:33:07.869 them to let them know, like, hey, bro, like, 00:33:08.049 --> 00:33:11.529 you know, here's what it takes to really be a 00:33:11.529 --> 00:33:13.849 bull, really be a leader, to really be a man. 00:33:14.049 --> 00:33:17.549 And this is what women are looking for. And I'm 00:33:17.549 --> 00:33:19.549 taking, you know, I'm telling them some, if you 00:33:19.549 --> 00:33:21.890 want this experience, then you got to pay for 00:33:21.890 --> 00:33:23.890 it. But if you just want to deliver the dick. 00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:27.059 I got you because I like to fly my wife out and 00:33:27.059 --> 00:33:30.980 she likes to fly. So I'm just telling them, hey, 00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:33.960 bro, like, I got you. Don't worry about it. We'll 00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:36.420 find a creative way. But, you know, some of them, 00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:40.559 I used to be that way. I was, there was a point 00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:43.720 where I could have dated and I was technically 00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:46.420 homeless. I wasn't on the streets. I was rooming 00:33:46.420 --> 00:33:50.259 with someone right before I met Siren. And I 00:33:50.259 --> 00:33:54.130 said, I can go out and. date right now if I want 00:33:54.130 --> 00:33:58.009 to, or I can put my head down, get some sales, 00:33:58.210 --> 00:34:00.849 get me a two -bedroom apartment, furnish that 00:34:00.849 --> 00:34:03.490 motherfucker, and start a business. And that's 00:34:03.490 --> 00:34:06.269 what I decided to do. I didn't really date it. 00:34:06.289 --> 00:34:09.650 The only thing I did is if I catched a couple 00:34:09.650 --> 00:34:12.570 when I was being a bull. But I wasn't out there 00:34:12.570 --> 00:34:14.730 trying to date. Where I live, I could have went 00:34:14.730 --> 00:34:17.869 to the bar any time, picked up a girl every weekend. 00:34:18.070 --> 00:34:19.489 But I said, no, I'm going to put my head down. 00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.599 So I respect that hustle type of way. I know 00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:24.780 what you're saying, Unc. You're saying, hey, 00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:26.920 man, if you have enough game, if you get your 00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:28.659 shit together, you don't have to be worrying 00:34:28.659 --> 00:34:31.559 about putting money in a woman's pocket. That's 00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:33.260 not what this lifestyle is about. You don't have 00:34:33.260 --> 00:34:37.079 to worry about that. Be a good man. Be quality. 00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:39.300 That's what you're saying, Unc. Well, and I wouldn't 00:34:39.300 --> 00:34:42.199 even be allowed to accept that. Right. You know 00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:44.059 what I mean? Like, my husband takes care of me. 00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:46.639 These guys can pay for things that also benefit 00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:50.019 them, like a hotel room, me coming there. Right. 00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:53.699 And, you know, us enjoying dinners together or 00:34:53.699 --> 00:34:56.699 whatever. You know, and guys have been great, 00:34:56.860 --> 00:34:59.139 honestly. And there's other factors. Like, some 00:34:59.139 --> 00:35:01.679 of these guys don't live. See, we have places 00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:05.159 we go. We have cities that we frequent. Some 00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:07.099 of these guys are off the beaten path. So I'm 00:35:07.099 --> 00:35:09.780 like, no, son, I'm not flying her out there. 00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:12.559 Yeah, because it's like $900. Yeah, too much 00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.079 money. I'm not paying for that. I'll fly her 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:17.320 to our frequent places if you're there. But if 00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:22.800 you want to fly her out, bet. Or if you want 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:24.780 to work something out, you want to fly here, 00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:27.679 bet. But I'm not paying for either one of those. 00:35:28.539 --> 00:35:32.219 I'll help you with everything else. So the whole 00:35:32.219 --> 00:35:35.159 point is there has been a couple of guys who 00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:42.440 are playing the long game with you. And the long 00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:44.780 game doesn't mean to sit around and, oh, I want 00:35:44.780 --> 00:35:46.760 to be some pussy, so let me text her. Can you 00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:48.440 give me some pussy? I ain't giving you no pussy 00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:50.099 because you got to talk to me some more. Okay, 00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:51.840 I'll talk to you some more. That's not the long 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:56.519 game. The long game is maybe that's her speed. 00:35:56.989 --> 00:35:59.230 Before she feels comfortable and opens up, next 00:35:59.230 --> 00:36:00.750 thing you know, she's a motherfucking freak. 00:36:01.230 --> 00:36:03.869 She needs you to invest some time so she feels 00:36:03.869 --> 00:36:05.849 safe with you. Some women, yeah. There's nothing 00:36:05.849 --> 00:36:08.230 wrong with that. They're insecure, and they need 00:36:08.230 --> 00:36:10.269 to see a bunch of effort to make them feel good. 00:36:10.389 --> 00:36:12.769 There's a thousand reasons. And that's exactly 00:36:12.769 --> 00:36:16.889 why I said that the lot made you the long gamer 00:36:16.889 --> 00:36:21.449 and not me. Because I'm so sorry, gentlemen, 00:36:21.630 --> 00:36:24.070 but if it was the shoe was on the other foot 00:36:24.070 --> 00:36:27.000 and... we had to play the long game, I would 00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:31.519 not be getting any dick. Why be holding the mic 00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:35.940 like you're rapping right now? It feels good. 00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:39.530 It feels... in what I'm saying and that makes 00:36:39.530 --> 00:36:42.369 me feel more confident. So that's why I'm doing 00:36:42.369 --> 00:36:45.329 it. Yes, ma 'am. Anyway, to get back on track, 00:36:45.449 --> 00:36:47.610 the reason why I wanted to talk about that is 00:36:47.610 --> 00:36:50.730 because... Your wife is derailing. No, no. We're 00:36:50.730 --> 00:36:52.789 having a good time. We're having a good time. 00:36:52.809 --> 00:36:54.849 And I'm showing you my titties too. Yeah, yeah, 00:36:54.869 --> 00:37:00.489 yeah. Okay. There they are again. My whole thing 00:37:00.489 --> 00:37:04.510 is with swinging, you have to play the long game 00:37:04.510 --> 00:37:10.440 because... It is, from a positive perspective, 00:37:10.659 --> 00:37:17.579 a very restricted and confined space to be safe, 00:37:17.699 --> 00:37:21.699 take your time. And you are going to find some 00:37:21.699 --> 00:37:23.960 people that just want to fuck at the club because 00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:26.960 they flew in from Vegas or wherever city you're 00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:29.079 in to have a good time. And they're from a small 00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:32.860 town. That happens. But, you know, my advice 00:37:32.860 --> 00:37:35.139 and what I've noticed and what I've experienced. 00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:39.199 Because I, you know, I still like swinging. I 00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:41.780 still have friends that are just swingers. I 00:37:41.780 --> 00:37:44.400 still look for the movies that have them. I love 00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:46.960 seeing it. Oh, yeah. Anything. I still listen 00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:49.380 to swingers, straight swinger podcasts. I have 00:37:49.380 --> 00:37:53.099 a prophecy. I think that someday in the future, 00:37:53.219 --> 00:37:55.679 and I've been thinking about this for a very 00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:58.380 long time. And I probably already told you. I 00:37:58.380 --> 00:38:01.300 hope I didn't. I hope you're surprised. But I've 00:38:01.300 --> 00:38:04.619 been thinking about this. Someday we are going 00:38:04.619 --> 00:38:09.519 to be on a reality TV show for people in the 00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:12.099 lifestyle. You and me. I just have this like 00:38:12.099 --> 00:38:14.780 premonition about it. And I'm super excited. 00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:17.860 I know you're probably shitting your pants. Yeah. 00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:21.960 Tell your premonition to add me being excited 00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:24.519 about it because I do not want to. Oh, I'm so 00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:28.400 excited. I'm not like pursuing it or anything. 00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:30.179 Like we would totally just have to get approached 00:38:30.179 --> 00:38:33.289 one day. Don't get me wrong. I got some book 00:38:33.289 --> 00:38:35.309 deal, movie deal things that I want to talk to 00:38:35.309 --> 00:38:36.789 Uncle about, and I think we've talked about it 00:38:36.789 --> 00:38:39.769 a little bit. We won't give any more details 00:38:39.769 --> 00:38:42.889 than that, but that might or might not happen, 00:38:42.949 --> 00:38:45.969 but I don't want my face on anything. I want 00:38:45.969 --> 00:38:47.789 to tell you, can I tell you about my vision? 00:38:47.969 --> 00:38:49.650 What about, yeah, go ahead. Tell us your vision. 00:38:49.710 --> 00:38:51.969 Tell me the vision for it. Okay, so there's one 00:38:51.969 --> 00:38:55.429 couple that is, you know, just, there's two couples, 00:38:55.489 --> 00:38:57.710 actually, because we need two for a full swap, 00:38:57.849 --> 00:39:00.679 right? So there's two couples that... our full 00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:03.820 swap couples. And then there's us, obviously 00:39:03.820 --> 00:39:07.500 our dynamic. And then there's a cuckold couple. 00:39:08.139 --> 00:39:15.179 And then, you know, there's like three bulls 00:39:15.179 --> 00:39:19.179 and like a couple unicorns. So we're all on this 00:39:19.179 --> 00:39:21.719 show, right? And we're just living our lives. 00:39:22.500 --> 00:39:25.000 And it's just like there's always somebody that 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:27.300 will be dramatic or whatever. You know, they 00:39:27.300 --> 00:39:29.460 just have to have that. But everybody's just. 00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:31.500 That would be you, of course. That would not 00:39:31.500 --> 00:39:36.360 be us. I am calm at all times. I have a personality 00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:41.579 like this. No. So anyways, I just keep thinking 00:39:41.579 --> 00:39:43.519 about it. I think about it all the time, like 00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:46.820 probably every single day about being on this 00:39:46.820 --> 00:39:51.340 reality show. I also had a dream. That somebody 00:39:51.340 --> 00:39:55.239 was recording me and I was just like coming in 00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:57.760 the house and I was like, we won the Powerball. 00:39:58.179 --> 00:40:02.639 Let it be so. From this podcast to God's ears. 00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:06.500 Or like one of our managers does and she says, 00:40:06.699 --> 00:40:12.300 speak it into existence. Unk, would you want 00:40:12.300 --> 00:40:14.559 to be on TV? Would you want your face on TV? 00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:16.500 Would you want to be on like a reality TV show 00:40:16.500 --> 00:40:19.599 about the lifestyle? Not the swingers lifestyle, 00:40:19.860 --> 00:40:23.880 no. No, it has some of everybody on it. No, the 00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:29.019 only type of TV show that I would be on would 00:40:29.019 --> 00:40:31.719 be something, and it would be involving like 00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:35.460 escorting or something like that. Like a TV show 00:40:35.460 --> 00:40:40.380 that was on Showtime a few years ago. I really 00:40:40.380 --> 00:40:43.219 enjoyed that show. Five guys that were based 00:40:43.219 --> 00:40:47.679 out of Las Vegas. And they were all escorts. 00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:51.179 And that was an excellent show. But as far as, 00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:55.719 like, the hot wifing thing or the actual, you 00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:59.000 know, swingers lifestyle, no. Well, you wouldn't 00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:00.980 interact with anyone else on there. You'd just 00:41:00.980 --> 00:41:05.519 be telling your story. That's how reality TV 00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.820 shows usually work. Let's pretty much close it 00:41:08.820 --> 00:41:11.820 with this. You know, we have different opinions 00:41:11.820 --> 00:41:14.400 about swinging, but I think it's a great option 00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:17.199 for those. who are starting, especially as a 00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:20.039 couple who are dipping their toes, they don't 00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:22.860 have that itch to rush, it's the best place to 00:41:22.860 --> 00:41:25.619 start. But if you educate yourself or you have 00:41:25.619 --> 00:41:29.059 friends or have other experiences that open those 00:41:29.059 --> 00:41:32.360 up, jump into it. I'm not, you know, recommending 00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:35.659 that you jump into one dynamic or another. I'm 00:41:35.659 --> 00:41:39.000 just saying swinging is to me like the most fundamental 00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:44.239 part of it. It is... It has the least amount 00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:47.960 of complexities, I would say. You know what I 00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:52.400 mean? So, you know, we just kind of wanted to 00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:54.860 share that perspective. And now I think we know 00:41:54.860 --> 00:41:57.719 what our next subject should be. And I think 00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:00.239 we should talk about Unc and escorting. Yes, 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.820 I'm super intrigued by that. Yeah, I think that's 00:42:02.820 --> 00:42:04.619 the thing I want to talk about. I think, oh, 00:42:04.860 --> 00:42:07.239 what is the name of that escort show that you 00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:10.860 said you watched? It was called Gigalos. I've 00:42:10.860 --> 00:42:12.840 watched it already, so watch it. Can we watch 00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:17.119 that? It came on Showtime just a few years ago. 00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:19.260 It might be like Paramount or something, has 00:42:19.260 --> 00:42:23.920 it? Okay. Maybe so. Or we can just try the free 00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:28.719 trial of Showtime with a new email address. Stop 00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:33.260 it. Hey, we have so many businesses and so many 00:42:33.260 --> 00:42:35.900 personalities. There's nothing illegal. Yeah, 00:42:35.900 --> 00:42:38.039 it's not. All right, let's close it out. Yeah, 00:42:38.219 --> 00:42:40.699 you guys, thanks. We just wanted to share our 00:42:40.699 --> 00:42:44.019 opinion on, you know, swinging. So we'll holler 00:42:44.019 --> 00:42:49.519 at y 'all. Our opinion only. And that was a great 00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.099 job. You guys did a great job tonight. I learned 00:42:52.099 --> 00:42:56.840 a lot. Excellent show. And here again for Socrates, 00:42:57.099 --> 00:43:01.360 Siren. I'm the Sigma male himself. Saying to 00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:04.159 all the bulls out there, my brothers of the sword, 00:43:04.420 --> 00:43:08.329 wishing y 'all a good night. And to all my beautiful 00:43:08.329 --> 00:43:12.690 ladies, hot wives, unicorns, all my sexual deviants, 00:43:12.710 --> 00:43:16.530 I wish you good morning. Until we meet again, 00:43:16.750 --> 00:43:19.289 good night, y 'all. Bye -bye.