I'm going to get my stuff together. I'm going
to do this. Yeah, yeah. What? I would like to
know just one. You don't? Tell me later. No,
no. I'm not going to do that. I will give you
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evening, listeners. Welcome to another informative
episode of the Bull Brotherhood Podcast. I'm
the single male themself, Brian Morgan, coming
at you with the family, the beautiful and lovely
Siren. Say what's up, beautiful. What's up, beautiful?
And of course, the perpetual student, my nephew,
Socrates. What's good? What's good, man? I'm
doing good. Good deal. Good deal. Ladies and
gentlemen, tonight we have a topic that this
is really one that nephew is going to lead. The
topic is, of course, swinging. And, of course,
I tell people all the time I have had very little
contact in the swinging world, although I do
have a lovely. that we are in a polyamorous relationship
with, they are active swingers. But I do not
really dive into that world. But tonight, though,
we're going to discuss, I guess, the pros and
cons of swinging. So at this time, I'm going
to turn it over to the perpetual student himself,
Socrates. He's going to lead this tonight. Take
it away, brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So
one of our, you know, our goals here and our
desires at the Bull Brotherhood. podcast is that
we know that we are in a niche of a niche. And
what I mean by that is, you know, if you're in
ethical non -monogamy, you're a niche, right?
Even though people cheat, we're still the minority.
And then if you look at the kind of ethical non
-monogamy that we practice, considering all the
variations. that you can practice ethical non
-monogamy, we're in a niche of a niche, which
is, you know, hot wife, interracial, bulls, cuckold
relationships, stag vixen. These are niches of
niches. So why would anybody besides the people
in this community want to hear anything we have
to say, especially broader in the ethical non
-monogamy space and beyond? Because we know and
we understand and we believe that we have skills
that everybody in every dynamic, whether it be
monogamous, conservative, liberal, and I mean
types, not political families, and swinging everything.
So what we're going to talk about is just our
perspective on it. And like Unk said, he doesn't
have a lot of experience in it, but he has been
around the block. That's all we have going here
because he has a really cool perspective. And
guess what? Sometimes we may not agree or sometimes
we're not going to talk about everything we like
or love. We're just going to share our opinion
from our perspective. You know, you know, as
a nerd, as somebody who researches, I encourage
you to do your research. You know, I encourage
you to, you know, hit us up and see if, well,
you know what? I can test what you're saying
here. I think your numbers are off or your research
is skewed, whatever. So that's what we're going
to do. And plus. You know, for the first couple
of weeks, Siren and I started off swinging. But
I would have to go back to. No, we didn't. From
the first night. Oh, well, we did full swap the
first. We full swapped the first night. I wasn't
so sure because, you know, as you know, I love
the brothers. And that's been my preference for
a long time. But I wasn't sure if it was going
to be successful because the guy was not. But
he was amazing. It was super fun. That was a
really fun full swap. It started with me going
down on her, though. And I hadn't eaten pussy
in 12 years. And then she came a couple of times.
And she said it was great. So I was like, sweet,
back in the game. And then we had a group play
session. two group play sessions and another
full swap. So, yeah. So right away, we were,
like, past the full swap there. Like, right away.
And I practiced swinging in my previous relationship.
So, you know, basically swinging is a subset
of ethical non -monogamy. It's when usually it's
a heterosexual couple who decides to open their
relationships up and... you know, ethically and
consensually and hopefully with as much education
as possible. And enjoyably. Enjoyably. You know,
it's going to be fun. Educationally. Right. Get
into this lifestyle. And they decide to full
swap or soft swap or have experiences with other
couples. So the husband, you know, is looking
to interact with from flirting to. full -on sex
with another man's wife, and his wife is looking
to do the same thing with her husband. So that
is the essence of swinging. It is how the lifestyle
began in America. Now, there's been millions
of versions of it all over the world, all over
history. But in America, it actually got started.
Do you know how swinging got started in America?
I actually do not. Tell me. And we're both, you
know, men have served in branches, me, the Navy,
and you, the Army, correct? Correct. Well, it
was the Air Force. It was the Chair Force, y
'all. So back in World War II, you would think
the infantry was the most endangered or at risk
of dying in the military, and it was not. It
was actually the fighter pilots. So these guys
were getting picked off left and right. And we
were winning most of the time. We were getting
picked off left and right. So eventually, the
new recruits that are coming in that kind of
knew this would be like, hey, man, you know,
get to the point where they're going to be in
combat. They're getting deployed. And they're
like, I don't know if I'm going to come back
to be alive. And I just got married. I want my
wife to be. taken care of, or my kids, or maybe
we just started a family. Can you take care of
her? Yeah, well, all right. If you want to include
sex in that, of course, I'm going to be dead.
You know, just take care of her, right? So I
don't want her in these streets. This is serious.
If you look up, actually, there's a book called
The Lifestyle, and it's like, chronicalizes the
beginning of it and talks about it and research
and everything. And so they started that. And
then it actually then developed later on into
the 70s to the key parties. So if you guys have
ever watched The Grinch, the one with Jim Carrey,
there's a scene in it where they're dancing inside
and they're throwing a key into this glass bowl.
And there's a movie that Sigourney Weaver was
in where they did the same thing. And then that
really weird bee movie that we saw about swinging
and the neighbor becoming obsessed. Right. There's
a lot of bee movies about it. There actually
is a scene in The Hunting Wives where she's,
it's kind of swinging, where they kind of can
date other people or play with other people outside
of it. But it's a version of swinging. It's kind
of a loose version of swinging. Yeah, but the
wife can only play with other women. And that's
why I say it's aversion because the man, there's
a lot of times where in swinging, you know, sometimes
it's because the man's being kind of forceful
and sometimes it's just because the way it works
out, the woman's fine with it. Where it would
be like, oh, well, I can play with as many women,
but you can only play with me, right? Or you
can only play with one other guy. They'll restrict
the woman. And, you know, that's, you know, if
it's... unconsensual we don't you know if you're
doing that you don't and your wife wants to play
and you're just jealous or selfish we don't condone
that but there are those dynamics where the wife
is just not interested she likes women she wants
to explore the women's side more than she wants
to explore men and that works out great for him
he's like okay bad you know works wins you know
win -win so we now it's it's really taken on
a life where i don't know that any one Any one
couple is 100 % just like, you know, full swap
swingers. But I would say swinging is about 60
% of ethical non -monogamy that's not polyamorous.
Would you agree, Siren? Yes. I was thinking,
and I was kind of stuck on... the whole consensual
thing of like everyone agreeing and being agreed
in agreements on that because I have a local
guy that I've just briefly been chatting with
and it came up today I was asking you know I
was like going through all my process and I'm
like all right you're gonna have to talk to my
husband soon um you know would you like to meet
for a drink to see if we even vibe And so we're
kind of working out the details with that. And
I said, if we vibe, can you host sometimes? And
he said, no, I can't because my family's there.
And, you know, he's like, otherwise I would.
And I said, OK, family. I was like, like a wife
and kids or. And he said, yeah, he's like, people
have families. And I said, oh, yeah, I have no
problem with having a family. you know and and
then I accidentally typed if you have a boyfriend
and kids I don't care you know it was but I meant
wife and kids and he said yeah I have a wife
and you know she just says as long as I don't
bring any drama home blah blah blah well then
I move on to our ethical standard which is Socrates
and I have to verify with that partner that we
can play with them and so I asked him about that
And then he basically gave me this answer that
was like saying, no, you're not fucking talking
to my wife. So this is where I say thank you
for being honest with me and sharing your dynamic.
I wish you well. Ethics are very important in
the swinging situation. And then what was the
rest of it? Can you repeat that part for me after
that? My brain just got stuck on that. Stuck
on what part? Stuck on the part about consenting.
And everybody being in agreement of what you're
going to do. And then I told that story about
the ethics. Yeah, no, no, no. So, I mean, basically,
we're just kind of given the foundations of what
swinging is. Right. And to people outside, you
know, if you're in the vanilla world, and vanilla
doesn't mean bad. It just means you're not doing
this stuff. You're, you know, you want to be
monogamous. You know, from the outside looking
in, it might look all confusing. And some people
in this lifestyle don't even like the labels,
right? I like labels not because they restrict
you, but because they help define distinctions.
When is one thing something and not the other,
right? But, Unk, let me ask you a question. I
know... Go ahead. I know you have, you said you
have very little experience. What experience
have you had with swinging personally, even if
it's just people you've been with and they're
sharing their stories? I've been invited with
a few couples to attend swinger events. Some
of the events actually were, you know, telling
you, asking for a few vetted single guys to come.
Some didn't know that I was coming until I arrived
there with the couple. I sit back. You know me.
I sit back and I watch. And I just see how a
lot of the times you have a couple there. Let's
say you have an extremely attractive couple there.
Both of them are very, very attractive. Sometimes
they just don't mesh with a whole lot of other
couples. Or there's I'm not a drinker at all.
I don't drink. I don't smoke. Alcohol may be
involved at parties and you get ones women. They
get completely tore out of the damn frame and
they may try to come on to a to a husband and
the wife. OK, I'm standing right here. You know,
you don't see me. It's just it's just too many
things. It's too many things, too many variables
for me that can happen when all four people aren't
on the same page. You know, I've seen two couples
who look like that. They were I'm saying myself,
OK, they look like they might they might mesh.
But in the conversation, it didn't happen. It
didn't happen. And I don't know if the communication
just was not there. You know what I mean? They
just didn't know how to talk to each other to
maybe make everything click or something else.
But I was like, I don't like this type of lifestyle.
So, you know, I choose not to dive into it. Like
I say, even though Phillip and Lindsey, my couple,
they do. But she kind of knows that when they
come back from an event, she may tell me a little
something about it. I kind of know what happened
there. She ended up playing with a whole lot
of the women and not necessarily any guys, you
know, because for her now, she is a hot wife.
She lives in the hot wife world. You know, Phillip
does his thing at the party if he so chooses.
But, you know, a lot of times, you know, she
doesn't. So it's four ones. It's for couples,
and for the couples who love it, hey, my hat's
off to you. But just myself, I've chosen not
to dive into it. Yeah, so I want to talk about
those. So in my first relationship in the lifestyle,
you know what I've noticed about that? What you're
talking about, you're basically explaining how
hard it is to find that four -way connection.
And that's the same situation. with me and siren
the only difference is we have a lot more options
you know if we you strike out there and when
you know my first relationship if we struck out
in a four -way connection that's it no more options
well it just didn't work you know go back to
the drawing board right i didn't know that do
you know that no oh so like you mean like after
one time of trying it with one couple or well
yeah okay so you know one of our favorite clubs
was a club it's no longer open it's called um
club fa club fa freedom makers and it was actually
like a resort on one side you know like maybe
like a couple of miles down the way one of the
largest lifestyle clubs in the country had 69
beds it had At one point, it had two dance floors
and two hot tubs. It was amazing. Where was this
located? It was in Southern California, San Bernardino,
in the Longhire area, in SoCal, east of L .A.
County. So anyway, we would go down there, and
it was the best. It was a perfect cross -section
of race. age color like you know it was it reflected
california you know it was varying degrees of
attractiveness size shape you know and it was
it was dj was it was just great but yeah if you
think about it right now siren and i can meet
a couple and we vibe we can go siren and i can
say you know what I'm going to get you a gang
bang. You go in the room, get ready. I'll gather
up 10 dudes. We'll get you taken care of. Siren
can do the same for me. There's so many different
things because we are so many different dynamics
in one. And so we have those options, right?
When you're swinging, you've got, and you're,
you know, especially if you're new. You're swinging
and you have maybe emotional issues to do or
you're just a little bit more conservative or
just only really tickles your fancy to find another
couple, have that forward connection, right?
And that's the only thing that's on the table
because you're new. And so, yeah, we would go
down there and, you know, we'd drive an hour
and a half, two hours to get there. And you're
there. You've got about four or five hours, right,
to get in, get some drinks, get settled. Everybody
comes, see who you can see, hopefully vibe with
somebody, then sit down and talk to them because
you're new. So you want to talk for two hours.
Even the people that don't like to talk a lot
want to talk that long. Believe it or not, I
talk a lot. I wanted to get to it. I know, me
too. That first night, I was like, let's go fuck
each other. We're taking too long. I thought
I had visions of people just constantly approaching
us. And people just pairing off really quickly.
That's the vision of every person. Everybody
before they get into the lifestyle is like, oh,
how's he going to go in that room? He's going
to jump on you. He's like, come on, come on.
No, but we would go down to a club like that,
and then we were fairly good -looking people,
so we would either get approached or approach,
and then maybe that took, the whole process took
an hour. All right, well, you've been there 45
minutes. You approach. Now you're there an hour
and 45 minutes. Then you start intermingling.
dancing and the vibe is not there so now it maybe
took you 15 20 minutes to get see what the vibe
wasn't there and then another five minutes to
figure out well how do we get the fuck out of
this you know yeah i think we've settled a lot
right like we kind of just like grab somebody
i felt myself getting anxious sometimes but then
there's other times where we haven't played at
all like when we went to privada yeah A lot of
people just standing around looking at each other.
So we had sex with each other like four times,
which was awesome. Put on a big show in the middle
of the room. He ate my pussy and I just squirted
everywhere and people clapped. It was cool because
one of the guys that was working there like ran
and got us towels. And he was like, this is the
best night of this job. He's like, thank you.
Thank you so much. It was the coolest. I felt
like a celebrity, a squirt celebrity. I don't
know. I felt very confident walking around there
after that. Thank you for your hard work. I just
laid there and enjoy and put on a little show
for everyone. Tyron, she squirts and she screams.
Yeah, so my point getting back to it is like,
It's tough being a swinger, but that's why there
are actually more events for swingers than anything.
There's so many, you know, cruises you can go
on to and clubs that only cater to swingers and
resorts that only cater. It is the majority of
it because it is so hard to find that connection.
And that's why I don't really, I'm not mad at
clicks in the lifestyle. Yeah. I'm really not
because. It's a little different. I haven't even
the driest club or event I've been to. They're
way more funnier than people at the club, a regular
club. And so, you know, it's like in this lifestyle,
we are, we're just, we're much more open. But
when you get in here, you're sharing your private
parts. And if you're a poly, you're sharing your
whole damn life. And eventually you start saying,
it's not that I'm judging that crowd. I'm just,
that's not my vibe right there. Yeah. Well, and
we were talking about that with Kiki that was
on the Siren of Freedom podcast this week. And
how they also, like, we love her and her husband.
They're great people. But they have their own
little, like, pot of people. We have our own
little pot of people. And the only time that
we might cross paths. in the lifestyle is if
we're at our local like lifestyle spot but as
far as little parties go that's like it's normal
to get a group of people like you said that you're
comfortable with and you know that you feel safe
around and then we all just kind of talk to each
other all the time You know, like something my
friend just texted me like, oh, my man's got
a play date with so -and -so tonight. And then,
you know, tomorrow we'll ask so -and -so how
it was, you know. And it's just fun because we've
all just become close -knit like that where we
can just, you know, just freely chit -chat and,
you know, enjoy one another's company. And it's
a lot more comfortable for me personally on my
journey of like just I love now telling these
women like certain things that I want them to
do while they're here. So that's fun for me.
Yeah. But, you know, that's the good thing about
our dynamic is we have those. Swingers don't.
But here's the thing. I want another perspective
on it. It's also, that's our perspective because
our needs, our demands, our desires, our fantasies,
how fast we're going, like, you know, that's
the whole thing. But it's also great for some
people that want to take it slow. Mm -hmm. It's
great for some people that don't run a risk a
lot. Yeah. Right. And some people. There's nothing
wrong with anything that you choose or however
long their journey takes. Yeah. That's what I
liked about it. It's like it did give me the
time I needed to ask a thousand questions because
in, you know, we go to the parties, we go to
the clubs, we go to the, you know, splash. There
are some women that want you to invest maybe
eight or nine hours. collectively before you
get it in Splash, right? That's cool. In swinging
situations, sometimes I invest in months just
to even get a meet and greet, right? Wow. That
was good that you guys did that then because
this girl, this girl, yeah, she's the impatient
one in the relationship, and I do not like the
long game at all. My husband... He has himself
a good time over there. But I get, I'm like a,
hey, five text messages, let's meet for coffee.
And then if we're cool, like, let's set up the
session to play. I'm ready to go. But my husband
will talk to some bitch for like, and bitch,
when I say bitch, I mean, I love you. My friend,
we call each other bitches all the time. So,
so, you know, my husband will spend like a damn
near a year talking to somebody. and get to play
with them maybe twice at the most. And I just,
the Lord made him for that and not me. But it
kind of works out because I'm a girl, and so
I don't have to play the long game most of the
time. Would you agree with that, Socrates? We
have to be talking about this. No, here's the
thing. But you do enjoy, you will be getting
to enjoy, there's some guys playing the long
game with you. That you know about? Yes. Whatever.
Okay. Are you serious? You're making me blush.
That's so sweet. That's so sweet that you know
about it. Sometimes a long game isn't, oh, I'm
working on her. Sometimes a long game is, let
me get my shit together before I even step to
her. Why does somebody else, well... But in the
lifestyle, why do you have to keep your shit
together? I don't care if you broke on your mom's
couch. You say that now, but I could name some
people that you've kicked to the curb. As you
should have, because your standard's raised.
And they know that? Yeah, okay. Oh, yeah. I'm
not talking about this particular person. You're
not talking about financials. Sorry, I was thinking
financially. No, no, no, no. You just mean character
-wise. No, no, no, no. Some of them, I know of
several. Number one. Number two, some might be
financial. Others might be confidence. Others
might be, you said, you've told very few, but
you've told some guys, no, I'm not interested,
straight up. And they're like, I'm going to get
a second chance. I'm going to get my stuff together.
I'm going to do this. Yeah, yeah. What? I would
like to know just one. You don't? Tell me later.
No. No. I'm not going to do that. I will give
you the bestest blowjob you have ever had in
your entire life. The bestest, longest, sloppiest,
juiciest, tongues - I don't know. That kind.
I don't know what guy or guys you all are talking
about in the lifestyle that are worried about
finances. All right. Hit before the end game,
which is ass. But whoever the hell they are or
he is or whatever, he needs to get the fuck out
of the lifestyle if he's worried about finances.
Yeah, it's not cheap. Period, though, if he's
worried about that. What do you think, like,
what does that financial stability represent
for you in Bulls? What does financial stability
represent in Bulls? Yeah, well, for you, like,
I want to hear, like, what is Brian thinking
about this? Okay. I'm definitely not going into
talking to any couple or any woman thinking about
my financial status. I'm not. I'm putting her
on a pedestal. Believe me, I'm putting her on
a pedestal. I'm getting to know her. I want to
find out who she is, et cetera, et cetera. But
am I thinking about my financial status, you
know, for the end game? No, I'm not. I'm not
thinking about that. Okay. Now, if we're trying
to take this, well, no, let me ask, where are
you going with this with these guys? All right.
Is this just siren play date or is this siren
trying to go out on dates and et cetera, et cetera
with these guys? I mean, you know, elaborate,
elaborate what you expect. Oh, I don't, and I
hope I didn't come across saying that I have
financial requirements for the guys in the lifestyle
because I'm taking care of them. Well, I mean,
you know, the way, well, I'm just saying, or
the way Socrates just said it, financial status,
that I thought that, okay, the guy needs to have
some type of, you know, his money needs to be
long or something. No, at least he needs to be
able to pay his cell phone bill. He doesn't get
disconnected when he wants to call me. Well,
let me jump in. Well, here's the thing. That's
why they're coming to me for counsel. I'm telling
them you don't have to worry about it. Some is
this legitimate, like, I need to get to Splash,
or I need to fly to you, or I need to pay for
her to be able to fly out. It's more of like,
I'm not even going to try or bullshit her. I'm
just going to get it right. And I'm like, well,
let's be creative. Or, brother, you know, don't
worry about that too much. Just start working
on the relationship. She'll talk. You know, I'm
counseling them. I'm not telling them they should.
We don't have any. I pay for her pretty much.
If I send her out, I pay for all that. Okay,
but I'm just saying that you just, okay, now
you just answered my question. So, okay then.
Yeah, they have to be financially stable if they're
going to fly, if she's going to fly to see them.
Yeah. I don't want to broke out there. Yeah.
I don't. The thing is this. My requirement is
I fly her out. Are you going to pick her up?
Are you going to take her out to eat? She had
to pay for her own food. You know, are you going
to or is it I'll fly her out. I'll take care
of everything. You just deliver the dick, you
know. But some of these guys, I tell them that
I'm saying, hey, dude, if you just deliver a
good dick and take care of her and treat her
right. I'll take care of everything. Don't worry
about that. And she's incredibly creative with
all that travel hacking stuff. So I'm counseling
them. But some dudes are. I was. So they're interested.
Because for me, it's like, yeah, that's my only
requirement. My point, I don't want to, you know,
this podcast is about swinging. You know what?
This is our podcast, and we do what the fuck
we want. I just don't, I want to. I want to be
disciplined on the subject matter. But my point
is, my point is, is that that's why I'm counseling
them to let them know, like, hey, bro, like,
you know, here's what it takes to really be a
bull, really be a leader, to really be a man.
And this is what women are looking for. And I'm
taking, you know, I'm telling them some, if you
want this experience, then you got to pay for
it. But if you just want to deliver the dick.
I got you because I like to fly my wife out and
she likes to fly. So I'm just telling them, hey,
bro, like, I got you. Don't worry about it. We'll
find a creative way. But, you know, some of them,
I used to be that way. I was, there was a point
where I could have dated and I was technically
homeless. I wasn't on the streets. I was rooming
with someone right before I met Siren. And I
said, I can go out and. date right now if I want
to, or I can put my head down, get some sales,
get me a two -bedroom apartment, furnish that
motherfucker, and start a business. And that's
what I decided to do. I didn't really date it.
The only thing I did is if I catched a couple
when I was being a bull. But I wasn't out there
trying to date. Where I live, I could have went
to the bar any time, picked up a girl every weekend.
But I said, no, I'm going to put my head down.
So I respect that hustle type of way. I know
what you're saying, Unc. You're saying, hey,
man, if you have enough game, if you get your
shit together, you don't have to be worrying
about putting money in a woman's pocket. That's
not what this lifestyle is about. You don't have
to worry about that. Be a good man. Be quality.
That's what you're saying, Unc. Well, and I wouldn't
even be allowed to accept that. Right. You know
what I mean? Like, my husband takes care of me.
These guys can pay for things that also benefit
them, like a hotel room, me coming there. Right.
And, you know, us enjoying dinners together or
whatever. You know, and guys have been great,
honestly. And there's other factors. Like, some
of these guys don't live. See, we have places
we go. We have cities that we frequent. Some
of these guys are off the beaten path. So I'm
like, no, son, I'm not flying her out there.
Yeah, because it's like $900. Yeah, too much
money. I'm not paying for that. I'll fly her
to our frequent places if you're there. But if
you want to fly her out, bet. Or if you want
to work something out, you want to fly here,
bet. But I'm not paying for either one of those.
I'll help you with everything else. So the whole
point is there has been a couple of guys who
are playing the long game with you. And the long
game doesn't mean to sit around and, oh, I want
to be some pussy, so let me text her. Can you
give me some pussy? I ain't giving you no pussy
because you got to talk to me some more. Okay,
I'll talk to you some more. That's not the long
game. The long game is maybe that's her speed.
Before she feels comfortable and opens up, next
thing you know, she's a motherfucking freak.
She needs you to invest some time so she feels
safe with you. Some women, yeah. There's nothing
wrong with that. They're insecure, and they need
to see a bunch of effort to make them feel good.
There's a thousand reasons. And that's exactly
why I said that the lot made you the long gamer
and not me. Because I'm so sorry, gentlemen,
but if it was the shoe was on the other foot
and... we had to play the long game, I would
not be getting any dick. Why be holding the mic
like you're rapping right now? It feels good.
It feels... in what I'm saying and that makes
me feel more confident. So that's why I'm doing
it. Yes, ma 'am. Anyway, to get back on track,
the reason why I wanted to talk about that is
because... Your wife is derailing. No, no. We're
having a good time. We're having a good time.
And I'm showing you my titties too. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. Okay. There they are again. My whole thing
is with swinging, you have to play the long game
because... It is, from a positive perspective,
a very restricted and confined space to be safe,
take your time. And you are going to find some
people that just want to fuck at the club because
they flew in from Vegas or wherever city you're
in to have a good time. And they're from a small
town. That happens. But, you know, my advice
and what I've noticed and what I've experienced.
Because I, you know, I still like swinging. I
still have friends that are just swingers. I
still look for the movies that have them. I love
seeing it. Oh, yeah. Anything. I still listen
to swingers, straight swinger podcasts. I have
a prophecy. I think that someday in the future,
and I've been thinking about this for a very
long time. And I probably already told you. I
hope I didn't. I hope you're surprised. But I've
been thinking about this. Someday we are going
to be on a reality TV show for people in the
lifestyle. You and me. I just have this like
premonition about it. And I'm super excited.
I know you're probably shitting your pants. Yeah.
Tell your premonition to add me being excited
about it because I do not want to. Oh, I'm so
excited. I'm not like pursuing it or anything.
Like we would totally just have to get approached
one day. Don't get me wrong. I got some book
deal, movie deal things that I want to talk to
Uncle about, and I think we've talked about it
a little bit. We won't give any more details
than that, but that might or might not happen,
but I don't want my face on anything. I want
to tell you, can I tell you about my vision?
What about, yeah, go ahead. Tell us your vision.
Tell me the vision for it. Okay, so there's one
couple that is, you know, just, there's two couples,
actually, because we need two for a full swap,
right? So there's two couples that... our full
swap couples. And then there's us, obviously
our dynamic. And then there's a cuckold couple.
And then, you know, there's like three bulls
and like a couple unicorns. So we're all on this
show, right? And we're just living our lives.
And it's just like there's always somebody that
will be dramatic or whatever. You know, they
just have to have that. But everybody's just.
That would be you, of course. That would not
be us. I am calm at all times. I have a personality
like this. No. So anyways, I just keep thinking
about it. I think about it all the time, like
probably every single day about being on this
reality show. I also had a dream. That somebody
was recording me and I was just like coming in
the house and I was like, we won the Powerball.
Let it be so. From this podcast to God's ears.
Or like one of our managers does and she says,
speak it into existence. Unk, would you want
to be on TV? Would you want your face on TV?
Would you want to be on like a reality TV show
about the lifestyle? Not the swingers lifestyle,
no. No, it has some of everybody on it. No, the
only type of TV show that I would be on would
be something, and it would be involving like
escorting or something like that. Like a TV show
that was on Showtime a few years ago. I really
enjoyed that show. Five guys that were based
out of Las Vegas. And they were all escorts.
And that was an excellent show. But as far as,
like, the hot wifing thing or the actual, you
know, swingers lifestyle, no. Well, you wouldn't
interact with anyone else on there. You'd just
be telling your story. That's how reality TV
shows usually work. Let's pretty much close it
with this. You know, we have different opinions
about swinging, but I think it's a great option
for those. who are starting, especially as a
couple who are dipping their toes, they don't
have that itch to rush, it's the best place to
start. But if you educate yourself or you have
friends or have other experiences that open those
up, jump into it. I'm not, you know, recommending
that you jump into one dynamic or another. I'm
just saying swinging is to me like the most fundamental
part of it. It is... It has the least amount
of complexities, I would say. You know what I
mean? So, you know, we just kind of wanted to
share that perspective. And now I think we know
what our next subject should be. And I think
we should talk about Unc and escorting. Yes,
I'm super intrigued by that. Yeah, I think that's
the thing I want to talk about. I think, oh,
what is the name of that escort show that you
said you watched? It was called Gigalos. I've
watched it already, so watch it. Can we watch
that? It came on Showtime just a few years ago.
It might be like Paramount or something, has
it? Okay. Maybe so. Or we can just try the free
trial of Showtime with a new email address. Stop
it. Hey, we have so many businesses and so many
personalities. There's nothing illegal. Yeah,
it's not. All right, let's close it out. Yeah,
you guys, thanks. We just wanted to share our
opinion on, you know, swinging. So we'll holler
at y 'all. Our opinion only. And that was a great
job. You guys did a great job tonight. I learned
a lot. Excellent show. And here again for Socrates,
Siren. I'm the Sigma male himself. Saying to
all the bulls out there, my brothers of the sword,
wishing y 'all a good night. And to all my beautiful
ladies, hot wives, unicorns, all my sexual deviants,
I wish you good morning. Until we meet again,
good night, y 'all. Bye -bye.