WEBVTT 00:00:00.010 --> 00:00:05.370 I contacted some people who know you guys and 00:00:05.370 --> 00:00:11.630 love you guys. And I asked them, okay, tell me 00:00:11.630 --> 00:00:15.150 more about why you love this person. Why you 00:00:15.150 --> 00:00:20.129 think this guy is not only a human being that 00:00:20.129 --> 00:00:23.170 you admire, but as a bull, what are the qualities 00:00:23.170 --> 00:00:25.550 that you see in them? And I thought this might 00:00:25.550 --> 00:00:27.829 be good because what I'm going to be talking 00:00:27.829 --> 00:00:31.059 about is your strengths. and asking you why you 00:00:31.059 --> 00:00:34.299 feel your strengths, how they apply to the lifestyle, 00:00:34.420 --> 00:00:36.700 and why they have helped you be successful. Okay. 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:41.899 Does that sound like a fun game? Okay. 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We speak from experience, 00:01:28.239 --> 00:01:32.280 not credentials. Always practice consent, respect 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:34.780 the boundaries of others, and follow local laws. 00:01:35.540 --> 00:01:38.120 If you're not comfortable with frank talk about 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:42.219 sex, kink, dominance, or emotional power, this 00:01:42.219 --> 00:01:44.840 probably isn't the show for you. But if you're 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:48.099 ready to step into your masculine edge and embrace 00:01:48.099 --> 00:01:51.299 a lifestyle that demands mastery, welcome to 00:01:51.299 --> 00:01:56.299 the Brotherhood. Welcome to the Bull Brotherhood 00:01:56.299 --> 00:02:00.219 podcast, where we talk power, pleasure, and the 00:02:00.219 --> 00:02:03.260 art of dominance in ethical non -monogamy. This 00:02:03.260 --> 00:02:06.060 is not your average lifestyle podcast. This is 00:02:06.060 --> 00:02:09.699 for men who lead, men who master, and men who 00:02:09.699 --> 00:02:13.259 leave a lasting impression. If you're here, you're 00:02:13.259 --> 00:02:16.360 not just curious. You're ready to elevate. So 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:19.860 to all the bulls, hot wives, stags, and open 00:02:19.860 --> 00:02:38.210 -minded explorers, we see you. Let's go. Ladies 00:02:38.210 --> 00:02:40.289 and gentlemen, good evening and welcome to another 00:02:40.289 --> 00:02:43.509 informative episode of the Bull Brotherhood podcast. 00:02:44.069 --> 00:02:46.949 This is the one and only Brian Morgan, a .k .a. 00:02:46.949 --> 00:02:49.569 The Sigma Male, coming at you, along with my 00:02:49.569 --> 00:02:52.349 nephew and partner in crime, the one and only 00:02:52.349 --> 00:02:56.009 Socrates. What's up, brother? What's up, punk? 00:02:58.030 --> 00:03:00.620 All right, all right. uh ladies and gentlemen 00:03:00.620 --> 00:03:03.020 tonight we are actually going to give the beautiful 00:03:03.020 --> 00:03:05.740 and sexy siren the night off the reason being 00:03:05.740 --> 00:03:09.039 because we have the sapiosexual one from california 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:15.319 again with us our brother pagan p what's up what's 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:19.879 going on man there's no intro like a b morgan 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:24.180 intro man i gotta record these i gotta keep them 00:03:24.699 --> 00:03:27.400 I do appreciate that. I do appreciate that. And 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:29.699 again, brother, welcome to the Bull Brotherhood 00:03:29.699 --> 00:03:32.800 for the second time. And ladies and gentlemen, 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:35.479 we have a really special episode tonight because 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:39.439 Socrates and I, we are going to not be asking 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:41.479 the questions tonight. We're going to turn it 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:44.979 over to the extra special co -host, Pagan himself. 00:03:45.379 --> 00:03:47.319 He's going to take the reins right now. He's 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:49.979 going to interview myself and Socrates. I guess 00:03:49.979 --> 00:03:53.960 giving a little per se origin about the two of 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:57.659 us. So, without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:00.879 I give you, again, from the great state of California, 00:04:01.219 --> 00:04:04.659 our brother, bull brother, Bacon. Take it over, 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:08.719 baby. My people, my people, thank you for having 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:14.360 me back. And thank you, listeners, for tuning 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:17.759 in to something that I want to be clear, neither 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:23.009 is Socrates nor be. came to me with this idea. 00:04:23.050 --> 00:04:25.589 I came to them with this idea. It occurred to 00:04:25.589 --> 00:04:28.730 me, listening to these episodes, that some of 00:04:28.730 --> 00:04:30.329 the audience might just want to know a little 00:04:30.329 --> 00:04:32.670 bit more about their host. Clearly, these guys 00:04:32.670 --> 00:04:34.930 are knowledgeable. Clearly, they have experience. 00:04:35.389 --> 00:04:37.970 Clearly, they're very good at articulating those 00:04:37.970 --> 00:04:40.930 things and helping out others. But I thought 00:04:40.930 --> 00:04:43.230 it just might be interesting to get into, like, 00:04:43.250 --> 00:04:45.050 who these gentlemen are, where they come from, 00:04:45.129 --> 00:04:49.430 their origin stories as the superheroes in the 00:04:49.430 --> 00:04:52.970 Bull Brotherhood. So I'd love to just jump right 00:04:52.970 --> 00:04:56.550 in with you guys, if you don't mind, and just 00:04:56.550 --> 00:04:58.750 get to know you all a little better. Sound good? 00:04:59.550 --> 00:05:05.829 Yeah, let's do it. All four. Perfect. So I guess, 00:05:05.829 --> 00:05:09.009 yeah, like Dee said, let's start off with, you 00:05:09.009 --> 00:05:11.810 know, when Peter Parker got bit by the spider. 00:05:11.990 --> 00:05:15.750 Like, tell us a little bit about your origin 00:05:15.750 --> 00:05:19.660 stories. Maybe, Sock, you can go first. I'm just, 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:21.819 you know, I know some people have heard it, so 00:05:21.819 --> 00:05:25.699 feel free to truncate it. But just to give us 00:05:25.699 --> 00:05:27.819 a little bit of a background as if this is my 00:05:27.819 --> 00:05:31.800 first episode, who are you in terms of where 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:34.000 you came from and how you got in the lifestyle? 00:05:35.100 --> 00:05:38.079 Yeah. Yeah. So appreciate it, man. Appreciate 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:41.120 you doing this for us. And, you know, I'm already 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:42.480 excited because I know you're going to have some 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:47.139 awesome questions. So, yeah, I was vanilla most 00:05:47.139 --> 00:05:54.170 of my life. But I thought differently. At a very 00:05:54.170 --> 00:05:56.990 young age, I knew I did not have the kind of, 00:05:56.990 --> 00:06:02.509 like, how do I want to say this? I didn't have 00:06:02.509 --> 00:06:05.589 the same feelings about jealousy that most people 00:06:05.589 --> 00:06:09.529 did. So, like, I would have, I was dating this 00:06:09.529 --> 00:06:14.610 really beautiful girl, Jet Magazine model, just 00:06:14.610 --> 00:06:20.509 beautiful from top. Top to bottom. And I had 00:06:20.509 --> 00:06:22.449 found out, one of my boys found out that she 00:06:22.449 --> 00:06:25.050 was cheating on me. And he was like, oh, man, 00:06:25.209 --> 00:06:28.050 you know, you're not going to be mad. You're 00:06:28.050 --> 00:06:31.670 not going to do something. I was like, well, 00:06:31.910 --> 00:06:35.129 I don't know. I like pussy. And I like more than 00:06:35.129 --> 00:06:38.430 one pussy. I would imagine she likes dick and 00:06:38.430 --> 00:06:42.470 she might want more than one dick. So my friends 00:06:42.470 --> 00:06:44.050 thought I was weird because I was like, hmm. 00:06:44.939 --> 00:06:46.819 She probably could have just told me, you know. 00:06:47.220 --> 00:06:49.879 And so that was my mentality for a long time. 00:06:49.980 --> 00:06:54.939 But I didn't take that into, you know, married 00:06:54.939 --> 00:06:57.279 life or anything because I got into ministry 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:01.139 pretty early on in life. And I wasn't even thinking 00:07:01.139 --> 00:07:07.040 about any of that. So fast forward, I get into 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:14.899 a marriage with now ex. And I told her when I 00:07:14.899 --> 00:07:16.839 first met her, I said, look, I'm really interested 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:21.319 in this swinging thing. I didn't know any of 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:26.040 the terminology. And if we're going to do this, 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:30.540 we're going to go in that direction. And she 00:07:30.540 --> 00:07:33.660 said, cool. But I didn't really know what I was 00:07:33.660 --> 00:07:38.980 doing. And I made a lot of mistakes. I was doing 00:07:38.980 --> 00:07:40.600 a lot of research, but I didn't know how, so 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:44.100 half of it was porn. And I didn't know anything 00:07:44.100 --> 00:07:48.240 about podcasts or anything like that. So long 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:51.600 story short, I, you know, me and her get into 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:54.180 the lifestyle together. You know, it's pretty 00:07:54.180 --> 00:08:00.160 much swingers. And she wasn't really, she wasn't 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:04.180 really 100%. She was never forced or anything. 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:08.480 She loved doing it. Every now and again, she 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:11.180 would have twinges of like, I don't know if I'm 00:08:11.180 --> 00:08:13.600 really supposed to be doing this or if we should 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:15.779 be doing as much as we are or, you know, anything 00:08:15.779 --> 00:08:19.720 like that. So we really weren't on the same page 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:22.339 with lifestyle, but I loved it. And so by the 00:08:22.339 --> 00:08:24.540 time we had divorced, I had already been, had 00:08:24.540 --> 00:08:27.860 read a lot of books on the subject and, you know, 00:08:27.939 --> 00:08:35.320 podcasts, getting online, you know. reading forums, 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:38.679 just everything I can get my hands on. And then 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:43.580 I read a book called Sex at Dawn, which is pretty 00:08:43.580 --> 00:08:47.179 much like an anthropological approach to non 00:08:47.179 --> 00:08:49.559 -monogamy. And then I was hooked. That was it. 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:54.340 Wow. Yeah. I do know that book, my brother. And 00:08:54.340 --> 00:08:56.039 you are absolutely right describing it that way. 00:08:56.139 --> 00:08:58.580 Yeah. That one goes deep and it goes way back 00:08:58.580 --> 00:09:03.309 into the primal nature of who we are. Okay, stay 00:09:03.309 --> 00:09:08.490 focused. B, Morgan, your origin story. What was 00:09:08.490 --> 00:09:12.049 the moment when you went and decided that you 00:09:12.049 --> 00:09:15.029 would be who you're going to be and who were 00:09:15.029 --> 00:09:19.149 you before that? Well, let me tell you who I 00:09:19.149 --> 00:09:22.590 was before that. I was a very, very skinny kid. 00:09:23.330 --> 00:09:26.330 And when I say skinny, I was real thin. If you 00:09:26.330 --> 00:09:29.110 take a pencil and stand it up and put my face 00:09:29.110 --> 00:09:32.529 and head on it, that's what I looked like. Yeah, 00:09:32.769 --> 00:09:35.230 a very, very late bloomer. The only thing that 00:09:35.230 --> 00:09:37.389 I had going for me, I could shoot a basketball 00:09:37.389 --> 00:09:42.889 pretty good. I really did not. I had girls in 00:09:42.889 --> 00:09:46.429 high school, but I wasn't what I ended up becoming. 00:09:49.070 --> 00:09:51.370 Graduated, joined the United States Army immediately. 00:09:51.850 --> 00:09:56.730 And a few years later, at age 25, 26, I find 00:09:56.730 --> 00:10:00.710 myself overseas in Germany. and that was when 00:10:00.710 --> 00:10:06.169 the baptism took place i um if you know anything 00:10:06.169 --> 00:10:08.090 about germany you know when a black man goes 00:10:08.090 --> 00:10:13.149 over there he becomes just a movie star i really 00:10:13.149 --> 00:10:15.830 i don't i don't know any way to know the way 00:10:15.830 --> 00:10:20.769 to say it but i got over there and i met a beautiful 00:10:20.769 --> 00:10:28.309 48 year old russian businesswoman and pagan when 00:10:28.309 --> 00:10:31.990 i tell you she was fine she was not fine she 00:10:31.990 --> 00:10:36.549 was fine she was she was all that and a bag of 00:10:36.549 --> 00:10:39.389 chips i mean everything she checked off all the 00:10:39.389 --> 00:10:44.610 blocks um first and foremost i have been i had 00:10:44.610 --> 00:10:48.690 i had a just a absolute passion for older women 00:10:48.690 --> 00:10:51.490 you know i lost my virginity to older women so 00:10:51.490 --> 00:10:54.110 it was already in me i just loved older women 00:10:54.110 --> 00:10:58.240 and uh this lady took me under her wing after 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:01.100 we got together for the first couple of times. 00:11:01.299 --> 00:11:05.320 And as a young guy, you think that this particular 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:09.820 compliment that I'm about to say is really a 00:11:09.820 --> 00:11:12.759 real compliment. And at that time, at my age, 00:11:12.899 --> 00:11:16.740 it was. But now, at the age that I am now, I 00:11:16.740 --> 00:11:21.100 realize, okay, that was really like the start 00:11:21.100 --> 00:11:23.860 of something for me. And she said one day, she 00:11:23.860 --> 00:11:26.610 said, quote unquote, she said, goddamn baby you 00:11:26.610 --> 00:11:28.350 have no clue how to make love but you can show 00:11:28.350 --> 00:11:31.950 fuck now for somebody 26 years old you know your 00:11:31.950 --> 00:11:33.690 chest kind of jumps out you know what i mean 00:11:33.690 --> 00:11:38.529 but i then realized a little bit later on after 00:11:38.529 --> 00:11:42.070 she introduced me to the life and i won't go 00:11:42.070 --> 00:11:44.529 into all about because it's a long long story 00:11:44.529 --> 00:11:46.690 that's what i was like how she got me into it 00:11:46.690 --> 00:11:50.529 but when she when she did get me into the life 00:11:50.529 --> 00:11:56.370 and uh i started to evolve I realized, okay, 00:11:56.450 --> 00:11:59.730 what she said was actually, in a way, it was 00:11:59.730 --> 00:12:04.429 a wake -up call. Because I like Socrates. I thought 00:12:04.429 --> 00:12:08.769 sex was a performance. I thought it was porn, 00:12:08.909 --> 00:12:11.529 basically. So what I was trying to do to every 00:12:11.529 --> 00:12:14.250 woman that I saw was basically turn into a porn 00:12:14.250 --> 00:12:18.269 star and just fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. But 00:12:18.269 --> 00:12:22.889 I had no idea how to really engage with a woman. 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:28.740 I had no clue how to listen to women. I had no 00:12:28.740 --> 00:12:33.580 clue how to form a connection with women. This 00:12:33.580 --> 00:12:36.580 particular lady taught me all of that. And she 00:12:36.580 --> 00:12:39.620 taught me that through the hot wifing lifestyle. 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:43.139 Not only did I do a little, was I introduced 00:12:43.139 --> 00:12:46.139 to the hot wifing lifestyle, but she also, she 00:12:46.139 --> 00:12:48.720 was my handler for a couple of years. I actually 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:52.899 did a little escorting over there. So that. was 00:12:52.899 --> 00:12:56.700 my introduction to the life of course this was 00:12:56.700 --> 00:12:59.500 a long time ago we didn't have all of the words 00:12:59.500 --> 00:13:03.039 you know that we have now hot wifing and what 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:07.340 a bbc was and what a cuckold was but that was 00:13:07.340 --> 00:13:13.120 my initial um like i said baptism and jump into 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:16.419 the hot wifing lifestyle with this 48 year old 00:13:16.419 --> 00:13:23.330 lady and then from there it went on Okay. So 00:13:23.330 --> 00:13:26.610 you're now a mentor who at some point had a mentor 00:13:26.610 --> 00:13:30.769 that brought you along to where you can now share 00:13:30.769 --> 00:13:32.549 with others. That's amazing. That's the gift 00:13:32.549 --> 00:13:36.889 that we can give when we have experience. And 00:13:36.889 --> 00:13:40.529 this podcast is a great example of it. Okay. 00:13:40.590 --> 00:13:43.649 So we got you two separately. How did Batman 00:13:43.649 --> 00:13:48.350 meet Robin? How did you two meet? And on top 00:13:48.350 --> 00:13:53.070 of that question, what happened one day where 00:13:53.070 --> 00:13:56.750 you guys saw a need, what was that need? And 00:13:56.750 --> 00:13:59.289 then the bull brotherhood was the answer to that. 00:14:02.389 --> 00:14:06.149 So, yeah, I'll start because it was, um, so basically, 00:14:06.330 --> 00:14:10.690 uh, Michael C from, uh, keys and necklace podcast, 00:14:11.070 --> 00:14:19.120 um, threw me a bachelor party for. my um wedding 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:25.399 to siren so i flew out to where he's at and chilled 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:27.620 with them for the weekend and he invited brian 00:14:27.620 --> 00:14:35.019 and um um i'll let brian tell the story of you 00:14:35.019 --> 00:14:37.019 know how he knew we were going to be working 00:14:37.019 --> 00:14:40.559 together because he tells it better but when 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:44.000 i met brian you know what i don't mention a lot 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:50.009 is what is what I pretty much, like, noticed 00:14:50.009 --> 00:14:54.470 is immediately I noticed how fucking dope and 00:14:54.470 --> 00:14:58.509 smooth this dude was, you know, and how he carried 00:14:58.509 --> 00:15:02.789 himself. And he had an air about himself that 00:15:02.789 --> 00:15:08.169 was like, I'm here, I know what I'm doing, I'm 00:15:08.169 --> 00:15:11.289 focused, but I don't give a fuck either. And 00:15:11.289 --> 00:15:17.240 I thought that was cool as fuck. So, so I almost 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:19.340 immediately said, this is the type of brother 00:15:19.340 --> 00:15:22.740 I want to hang around. I want to rub elbows with 00:15:22.740 --> 00:15:27.960 and, you know, see what we can, you know, do 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:31.059 in this lifestyle, you know? So I'll let him 00:15:31.059 --> 00:15:35.919 tell his story about that part. Well, since you, 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:38.679 since you started off with the party, I'll go 00:15:38.679 --> 00:15:42.169 ahead and take it from there. But it actually 00:15:42.169 --> 00:15:44.330 started, though, at Splash Atlanta when we did 00:15:44.330 --> 00:15:47.090 the podcast. You remember that? Yeah. But anyway, 00:15:47.149 --> 00:15:49.470 though, we're at the party. That's when we first 00:15:49.470 --> 00:15:54.649 met. Exactly. That's when we first met. But at 00:15:54.649 --> 00:16:00.590 the party, though, P, here again, a lot of people 00:16:00.590 --> 00:16:04.950 don't get me because of, and here again, that's 00:16:04.950 --> 00:16:09.990 why I am a Sigma male. i really do i'm not just 00:16:09.990 --> 00:16:14.009 saying that to say it but that is truly my that 00:16:14.009 --> 00:16:19.269 is my aura i i um i survey the scene i'm i'm 00:16:19.269 --> 00:16:22.830 there i let people you know see me but at the 00:16:22.830 --> 00:16:26.450 same time i speak with a voice of silence so 00:16:26.450 --> 00:16:30.210 we're at the party and uh michael had invited 00:16:30.210 --> 00:16:33.789 what four four couples p something like that 00:16:33.789 --> 00:16:38.720 yep yep and then one yeah somebody another one 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:42.960 came later on that yeah single lady yeah exactly 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:46.000 so we're all sitting there um you know everybody's 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:48.740 chilling and having a good time talking um here 00:16:48.740 --> 00:16:52.379 i am i'm i'm observing i'm observing uh some 00:16:52.379 --> 00:16:54.240 very very nice looking ladies there but there 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:57.259 was about one or two in particular that really 00:16:57.259 --> 00:17:02.019 fit the characteristics that i i like and um 00:17:02.019 --> 00:17:05.849 so i was like okay i sat there i sat there long 00:17:05.849 --> 00:17:10.089 enough i looked at her um she looked at me and 00:17:10.089 --> 00:17:13.049 i said to myself okay you make a note you look 00:17:13.049 --> 00:17:15.369 one more time and i'm gonna you know do a little 00:17:15.369 --> 00:17:21.109 something to you and she did so um i love to 00:17:21.109 --> 00:17:24.049 give i love to give massages i love to give massages 00:17:24.049 --> 00:17:28.009 and um so i started to give this beautiful lady 00:17:28.009 --> 00:17:32.869 a massage and um i noticed that a few minutes 00:17:32.869 --> 00:17:35.779 into the massage nephew comes over there and 00:17:35.779 --> 00:17:40.420 he starts massaging also so i'm like okay you 00:17:40.420 --> 00:17:43.480 know i like to i like how you i like how you 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:45.819 came over and did that you know it was very very 00:17:45.819 --> 00:17:49.480 smooth and um we kept massaging kept massaging 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:53.259 and there's a certain way that i massage someone 00:17:53.259 --> 00:17:58.740 uh it will let her know that i'm interested okay 00:17:58.740 --> 00:18:00.480 it'll let her know i'm interested here again 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:04.539 speaking with the voice of silence well It ended 00:18:04.539 --> 00:18:09.200 up we taking her into the bedroom. And, you know, 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:12.819 it was his bachelor party. It was his bachelor 00:18:12.819 --> 00:18:16.680 party. And I wanted nothing more than for him 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:20.259 to have the best time ever. I didn't even tell 00:18:20.259 --> 00:18:22.779 Michael that, but I'm like, I'm here for him. 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:27.299 That's the reason I flew in. And let's just say 00:18:27.299 --> 00:18:30.839 he showed his ass, as we say in the state of 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:32.500 North Carolina. He showed his ass that night. 00:18:32.859 --> 00:18:36.240 Okay, he had a great time. He had a great time. 00:18:36.579 --> 00:18:40.759 And that let me know that, okay, if we would 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:44.720 ever pull a caper together, that I was completely 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:50.059 confident in his skill set. I know he was going 00:18:50.059 --> 00:18:53.980 to be able to not only follow but to lead also. 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:59.480 And the other time that I knew that he was on 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:03.029 point with me. It was, what, two years ago or 00:19:03.029 --> 00:19:06.289 three years ago in Atlanta, Socrates? It's been 00:19:06.289 --> 00:19:09.309 about three now, right? Or two years ago. Atlanta 00:19:09.309 --> 00:19:14.230 was about two years ago, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Two 00:19:14.230 --> 00:19:17.109 years ago in Atlanta, Michael had invited me 00:19:17.109 --> 00:19:21.730 to sit in on a podcast, and it was he along with 00:19:21.730 --> 00:19:26.130 Mr. Mocha, Socrates, and another gentleman. I 00:19:26.130 --> 00:19:32.240 forgot his name. That was the first time that 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:36.039 I had ever introduced myself to anyone, especially 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:39.960 as a Sigma male. And I explained, I gave a detailed 00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:43.099 definition of what a Sigma male is in the male 00:19:43.099 --> 00:19:48.059 hierarchy, in the male archetype. And he was, 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:49.880 I noticed, I was like, he's over there taking 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:54.160 notes. Socrates is like, hey man, I need to write 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:55.740 this down. There were certain things that I was 00:19:55.740 --> 00:20:00.140 saying, and he actually wrote it down. And I 00:20:00.140 --> 00:20:03.819 was like, okay, either he's playing right now 00:20:03.819 --> 00:20:06.559 very well or he really is taking his shit in. 00:20:06.700 --> 00:20:09.839 You know what I'm saying? And we talked a little 00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:13.279 bit more later on after that. And I was like, 00:20:13.339 --> 00:20:17.619 okay, that's somebody that I can take under my 00:20:17.619 --> 00:20:20.740 wing. I knew that he was very, very interesting. 00:20:20.819 --> 00:20:23.319 I knew he'd been in the lifestyle as a single 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:27.920 person. I had not met his wife at the time. But 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:31.079 I knew that he wanted more. He wanted that knowledge. 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:33.480 He wanted more knowledge. And here again, you 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:37.000 know, I'm pushing. I'm going on 60 years old, 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:39.220 brother. You know what I mean? There comes a 00:20:39.220 --> 00:20:44.700 time in life where you need to pass the game 00:20:44.700 --> 00:20:47.140 on. You need to pass the knowledge on. Yeah, 00:20:47.180 --> 00:20:49.059 you still love to play. I do. I still love to 00:20:49.059 --> 00:20:52.799 play. but i i am looking to pass knowledge on 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:56.220 the guys who can keep this ball going and going 00:20:56.220 --> 00:20:58.180 and going and going because like i said i live 00:20:58.180 --> 00:21:01.440 at 24 7. you know this isn't just this isn't 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:04.079 just a lifestyle to me man this is my life all 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:06.900 right really this is my life yeah and uh the 00:21:06.900 --> 00:21:09.559 only thing that i don't have is is you know i'm 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:12.180 not married that's that's that's it those guys 00:21:12.180 --> 00:21:15.039 are right but uh right but yeah that's how we 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:17.519 met and that's how i knew that uh when he bought 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:20.619 up a podcast i knew that i would be very very 00:21:20.619 --> 00:21:23.000 comfortable doing it with them because it's true 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:27.299 we're like night and day but but we're very similar 00:21:27.299 --> 00:21:32.059 also yeah well i gotta say the podcast that i 00:21:32.059 --> 00:21:34.819 enjoy the vanilla ones and it wasn't a lifestyle 00:21:34.819 --> 00:21:37.859 when there's two hosts i like it when the dynamic 00:21:37.859 --> 00:21:40.259 is that you know they bounce off of each other 00:21:40.259 --> 00:21:43.279 the way you guys do um so that's that's a good 00:21:43.279 --> 00:21:45.240 thing your differences meld together really well 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:49.490 so What would you guys say then? We're at the 00:21:49.490 --> 00:21:51.450 point when you guys get together and decide to 00:21:51.450 --> 00:21:53.990 make a podcast. What would you say the mission 00:21:53.990 --> 00:21:57.950 statement of the Bull Brotherhood is? Or what 00:21:57.950 --> 00:22:00.930 need did you guys see where you were like, you 00:22:00.930 --> 00:22:02.690 know what? There's a lot of podcasts out there, 00:22:02.750 --> 00:22:05.789 but none of them are fulfilling this need. What 00:22:05.789 --> 00:22:07.910 did you guys come across that made you do this? 00:22:10.710 --> 00:22:15.450 Go ahead, nephew. Well. You know, I think the 00:22:15.450 --> 00:22:17.589 biggest thing is I'm willing to say there is 00:22:17.589 --> 00:22:22.789 a standard and there is a framework that I think 00:22:22.789 --> 00:22:25.589 every single bull, no matter what race, what 00:22:25.589 --> 00:22:29.049 dynamic you're in, if you call yourself a bull, 00:22:29.250 --> 00:22:35.710 that there is a standard. And me and the Sigma 00:22:35.710 --> 00:22:37.690 male here agreed on that. That's number one. 00:22:37.730 --> 00:22:44.819 And number two, we felt like there was... we 00:22:44.819 --> 00:22:47.359 talked about doing the podcast. Once we realized, 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:49.640 you know what, there are standards and there 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:52.299 are principles and there are frameworks that 00:22:52.299 --> 00:22:56.420 we believe in that enhance the experience significantly. 00:22:56.480 --> 00:22:59.319 We believe in that. Once we figured that out, 00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:04.640 I think it took maybe Brian Morgan about a week 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:06.940 and a half to be like, we need a female perspective 00:23:06.940 --> 00:23:11.380 and we need to bring Siren on. And I'm not going 00:23:11.380 --> 00:23:13.849 to lie, in the beginning, I was skeptical. I 00:23:13.849 --> 00:23:17.970 was like, ah, I don't know. But that was the 00:23:17.970 --> 00:23:22.390 best thing. Because who gives a fuck about our 00:23:22.390 --> 00:23:26.069 opinion if the women out there were like, nah, 00:23:26.250 --> 00:23:30.569 son, that's not how it works, you know? So once 00:23:30.569 --> 00:23:34.470 that came together, the need we're meeting is 00:23:34.470 --> 00:23:37.950 that. We think there are principles and fundamental 00:23:37.950 --> 00:23:39.990 things that you can believe in and things you 00:23:39.990 --> 00:23:43.990 can do and a perspective that you can have that 00:23:43.990 --> 00:23:47.750 will lead you forward in this lifestyle and will 00:23:47.750 --> 00:23:53.190 get you better results. And we wanted to have 00:23:53.190 --> 00:23:56.910 a nerd's perspective who has a shorter experience 00:23:56.910 --> 00:24:02.390 time and a very smooth Sigma male who's got a 00:24:02.390 --> 00:24:06.319 distinguished career. and has been in the game 00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:09.119 for a very long time and performed at the highest 00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:12.500 level. And right now, a damn near nymphomaniac 00:24:12.500 --> 00:24:15.980 woman who loves black men and loves quality black 00:24:15.980 --> 00:24:19.019 men and wants to grow in this lifestyle as well. 00:24:19.180 --> 00:24:22.079 And once Brian Morgan pointed that out, I was 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:25.700 like, yeah, we have to do this. Yeah, yeah, that's 00:24:25.700 --> 00:24:27.920 amazing. Anything to add to that, B, on what 00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:30.559 you think the mission statement is or the need 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:33.470 you fulfilled? Well, I'm going to tell you, he 00:24:33.470 --> 00:24:35.869 hit it on the head, especially when he brought 00:24:35.869 --> 00:24:44.069 in that word quality. I had been to several Splash 00:24:44.069 --> 00:24:46.750 Mocha events. Now, here again, we're talking 00:24:46.750 --> 00:24:50.650 about Splash Mocha, but I don't care where you 00:24:50.650 --> 00:24:53.970 go. I don't care what type of event it is. You 00:24:53.970 --> 00:24:59.130 should look at yourself as one of the best things 00:24:59.130 --> 00:25:01.769 there. one of the as my father would say one 00:25:01.769 --> 00:25:03.369 of the baddest men that walked through the door 00:25:03.369 --> 00:25:08.829 you know and um when i when i when a man calls 00:25:08.829 --> 00:25:12.430 himself a bull that is what i'm looking at i'm 00:25:12.430 --> 00:25:15.329 looking for that i'm looking for all of those 00:25:15.329 --> 00:25:21.410 qualities that put together that will make for 00:25:21.410 --> 00:25:25.509 a great boyfriend or bull experience you know 00:25:25.509 --> 00:25:30.269 um here again i i talk about the the the body 00:25:30.269 --> 00:25:32.410 game and everything. You don't have to look like 00:25:32.410 --> 00:25:33.950 a bodybuilder or anything like that. I'm not 00:25:33.950 --> 00:25:36.170 saying that. But take what the good Lord has 00:25:36.170 --> 00:25:38.750 given you and turn it into the best package that 00:25:38.750 --> 00:25:42.569 you can possibly, you know, put together. Have 00:25:42.569 --> 00:25:45.710 your own type of style. Have your, you know, 00:25:45.730 --> 00:25:49.890 your aura. That is, that is, that's you. Okay. 00:25:50.109 --> 00:25:52.269 Everybody's not going to be the alpha type of 00:25:52.269 --> 00:25:55.029 guy. But here again, that's why I wanted to do 00:25:55.029 --> 00:25:57.089 this podcast and let people know about, hey, 00:25:57.130 --> 00:26:00.740 you can be. a bull but be a different type of 00:26:00.740 --> 00:26:03.359 bull you know because there are different types 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:09.400 um and um like i said well you know once you 00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:12.200 know once socrates and i talked and and and we 00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:14.859 we put together and we do have the mission statement 00:26:14.859 --> 00:26:16.799 i wish i had it right here so i could actually 00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:19.640 read it but um but once we got that together 00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:23.059 i i said it may take a little while because we 00:26:23.059 --> 00:26:26.900 aren't known known around here you know like 00:26:26.900 --> 00:26:30.180 everybody else is but we're gonna we're gonna 00:26:30.180 --> 00:26:32.140 put something together a little bit different 00:26:32.140 --> 00:26:35.059 differently than the than the you know the just 00:26:35.059 --> 00:26:39.799 a typical podcast and i think uh our first episodes 00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:43.920 have been fire i do yeah um and i think we're 00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:47.400 going to be we're getting better especially myself 00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:49.859 you know because i'm not a talker i've never 00:26:49.859 --> 00:26:54.799 damn spoken as much ever maybe you know than 00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:57.880 i have now but i'm getting more comfortable you 00:26:57.880 --> 00:26:59.319 know more comfortable and more comfortable with 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:03.119 every episode but um he hit it on the head i 00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:05.119 mean that's that's what we're looking for you 00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:07.759 know my mom when we say bull brotherhood we are 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:11.400 looking for the elite of elite of the elite gentlemen 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:17.099 to come here into this into this fraternity and 00:27:17.099 --> 00:27:19.539 you might well say it because that's that's that's 00:27:19.539 --> 00:27:22.769 how i look at it right into this frat And everybody 00:27:22.769 --> 00:27:28.490 is on the same page. You know, if you put five 00:27:28.490 --> 00:27:31.210 guys up against the wall and put him on another 00:27:31.210 --> 00:27:34.529 splash event, everybody would be like, okay, 00:27:34.569 --> 00:27:36.130 those guys are part of the brotherhood right 00:27:36.130 --> 00:27:38.349 there. They have that aura. They have that charisma. 00:27:38.569 --> 00:27:40.950 They have that special magnetic charm or appeal, 00:27:41.170 --> 00:27:44.950 you know, that sets them off, sets them out from 00:27:44.950 --> 00:27:49.529 everybody else. So that's it. Yeah. Yeah. Well 00:27:49.529 --> 00:27:52.220 said. i mean one of the things i can tell you 00:27:52.220 --> 00:27:56.640 as a listener um you know not just a fan of you 00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:59.519 as bold and as men but of the product that you're 00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:02.359 creating you know you said that you guys weren't 00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:05.059 like really well known well you i wouldn't get 00:28:05.059 --> 00:28:08.059 used to that because this is the kind of podcast 00:28:08.059 --> 00:28:11.460 that is going to be shared by a variety of men 00:28:11.460 --> 00:28:14.119 who are entering a lifestyle and one of the things 00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:18.150 i want to make sure people understand and and 00:28:18.150 --> 00:28:20.970 you just correct me if i'm wrong but there's 00:28:20.970 --> 00:28:25.109 a kind of thing that is exclusionary where it's 00:28:25.109 --> 00:28:29.170 we got this club and there's this door marked 00:28:29.170 --> 00:28:32.470 private and there's a velvet rope outside and 00:28:32.470 --> 00:28:37.430 we're letting people in that are um the people 00:28:37.430 --> 00:28:41.430 we see fit because we want to create uh exclusivity 00:28:41.430 --> 00:28:45.089 and we want to we want to put a barrier up but 00:28:45.089 --> 00:28:49.390 then there's another version of we have a group, 00:28:49.490 --> 00:28:52.869 we have a fraternity, and we have certain standards, 00:28:53.009 --> 00:28:55.569 but we're trying to include people. We're trying 00:28:55.569 --> 00:28:59.509 to educate. We're trying to help the inexperienced 00:28:59.509 --> 00:29:02.849 guy become more experienced so that they can 00:29:02.849 --> 00:29:06.390 enter into this group. So it's more aspirational 00:29:06.390 --> 00:29:08.690 and you're not excluding people. And I definitely 00:29:08.690 --> 00:29:11.210 feel like you guys are doing the latter, where 00:29:11.210 --> 00:29:13.529 you are trying to create the next members of 00:29:13.529 --> 00:29:16.559 the group, as opposed to... create a barrier 00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:19.859 to people entering it um and that's what i feel 00:29:19.859 --> 00:29:23.319 when i listen to your podcast you're you're basically 00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:27.140 planting the seeds for the next forest of bulls 00:29:27.140 --> 00:29:31.980 um and i think that's amazing thank you very 00:29:31.980 --> 00:29:34.640 much you just you just summed it up thank you 00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.440 yeah and so the last thing i want to do for this 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.960 section and then um Y 'all motherfuckers get 00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:42.880 ready because I got a surprise speed round of 00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:49.180 questions for y 'all. It's a surprise, but I'm 00:29:49.180 --> 00:29:50.680 going to get to that after one more question 00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:54.079 about the foundations of this podcast. What have 00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:57.240 you guys learned? Because you're several podcasts. 00:29:57.500 --> 00:30:00.559 Is it like maybe 14 apps so far or something 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.440 like that? Yes, sir. Today was the 14th one. 00:30:03.779 --> 00:30:09.380 So today was the 14th one. What have you learned 00:30:09.380 --> 00:30:13.160 since the guys who started the podcast? What 00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:16.099 are the two gentlemen I'm talking to now know 00:30:16.099 --> 00:30:18.900 that they have learned either being from feedback 00:30:18.900 --> 00:30:22.220 that you've gotten from listeners or just as 00:30:22.220 --> 00:30:24.700 B was saying, I'm getting a little more adept 00:30:24.700 --> 00:30:27.259 at using this microphone and talking more. What 00:30:27.259 --> 00:30:30.259 have you learned over the 14 episodes that you 00:30:30.259 --> 00:30:32.220 might even like, you know, tell your past selves, 00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:34.200 whisper in their ear, like, hey, look out for 00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:36.140 this because you're going to learn this pretty 00:30:36.140 --> 00:30:40.500 quick. I have to give credit for this one. So 00:30:40.500 --> 00:30:43.680 to specifically answer your question, Pete, I 00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:46.960 didn't learn anything. What I did do, or if I 00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:50.220 did learn anything, I learned Brian Morgan is 00:30:50.220 --> 00:30:54.500 a wise motherfucker. That's what I learned. And 00:30:54.500 --> 00:31:01.960 the reason why I say that is we talk about splash 00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:03.619 so much. I'm like, we got to visit some other 00:31:03.619 --> 00:31:08.259 places. But we were just at Fort Lauderdale Splash. 00:31:08.299 --> 00:31:13.700 And we had a lot of feedback because we recorded 00:31:13.700 --> 00:31:16.579 a few episodes there. We had our T -shirts and, 00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:18.559 you know, a few people previously knew about 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:23.759 us. And we had our first, like, I'm your biggest 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:30.299 fan. And he went into depth about why. And I 00:31:30.299 --> 00:31:33.039 didn't expect that so soon. I really didn't. 00:31:33.609 --> 00:31:36.930 And he pretty much described what Brian Morgan 00:31:36.930 --> 00:31:40.990 explained. And he told me, he says, he keeps 00:31:40.990 --> 00:31:43.269 saying this, we have to crawl before we walk. 00:31:43.329 --> 00:31:47.789 Got to walk before we run. You got to run before 00:31:47.789 --> 00:31:52.910 you leap. And so I wasn't expecting that. I was 00:31:52.910 --> 00:31:55.549 really just like, let's just get 50 episodes 00:31:55.549 --> 00:31:58.970 under our belt and then see. I just started marketing. 00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:01.680 So I wasn't thinking that way. And then this 00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:04.599 guy was sharing it. He described everything we 00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:07.599 laid down. You have this feminine perspective, 00:32:07.859 --> 00:32:10.859 and she's great at articulating that. She's got 00:32:10.859 --> 00:32:13.319 a great voice. And then you got my man here. 00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:16.400 What did he call him? He didn't call him Unc. 00:32:18.620 --> 00:32:24.000 OG. Yeah. You know, you got OG over here, you 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:27.460 know, laying, you know, putting it down. Then 00:32:27.460 --> 00:32:30.359 you over there, you always quoting facts. And 00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:33.880 I was like, wow, that's exactly what, that's 00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:37.440 exactly what I want people to think. Yeah. We 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:42.619 want you to get the 360 degree viewpoint of this 00:32:42.619 --> 00:32:50.150 lifestyle. Right. So. I hope I was answering 00:32:50.150 --> 00:32:54.029 that question. Um, I don't know if I, yeah, I 00:32:54.029 --> 00:32:56.410 mean, you know, it sounds like what you've learned, 00:32:56.450 --> 00:32:59.569 you know, people are resonating with it and you're 00:32:59.569 --> 00:33:02.390 learning that dynamic that you guys have. Yeah. 00:33:02.529 --> 00:33:05.009 Um, is resonating with people. So that's, that 00:33:05.009 --> 00:33:07.990 was the way I'm designed it. That's why I give 00:33:07.990 --> 00:33:11.210 him credit. He designed it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:33:11.890 --> 00:33:19.799 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. P, I have. P, I 00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:23.359 have. I have learned. I have learned. And here 00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:25.740 again, nephew, thank you. I love you to death, 00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:32.059 man. I really do. I have learned, and even though 00:33:32.059 --> 00:33:35.619 I haven't spoken to a lot of the gentlemen, I 00:33:35.619 --> 00:33:38.119 guess, that have, you know, listened to the podcast, 00:33:38.460 --> 00:33:41.140 but I have learned and I know because I can feel. 00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:46.450 I can feel that these other... gentlemen now 00:33:46.450 --> 00:33:49.349 who maybe have gone to events or and and have 00:33:49.349 --> 00:33:52.829 listened to the podcast i think they are becoming 00:33:52.829 --> 00:33:56.230 comfortable in their own skin now maybe they're 00:33:56.230 --> 00:34:00.329 saying hey i'm i can be maybe i am this sigma 00:34:00.329 --> 00:34:03.589 or maybe i am this kind of guy instead of trying 00:34:03.589 --> 00:34:06.970 to be something that i'm not you know what i'm 00:34:06.970 --> 00:34:10.230 saying everybody can't be that alpha type of 00:34:10.230 --> 00:34:13.280 guy everybody can't be You know what I mean? 00:34:13.579 --> 00:34:17.860 But every guy brings something to the table, 00:34:17.940 --> 00:34:20.980 but he has to be comfortable bringing himself 00:34:20.980 --> 00:34:24.739 to the table. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, 00:34:25.699 --> 00:34:28.539 you cannot sit there and try to be somebody else 00:34:28.539 --> 00:34:32.000 because then you will fail. But if you are comfortable 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.920 in your own skin, and I do mean get comfortable, 00:34:34.980 --> 00:34:38.059 and here again, it takes time, okay? It takes 00:34:38.059 --> 00:34:42.099 time. but once you find out who you really are 00:34:42.099 --> 00:34:45.820 and you perfect who you are then you'll become 00:34:45.820 --> 00:34:48.679 successful in this lifestyle and not only in 00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:52.840 this lifestyle but just in life period okay because 00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:56.500 as if you as if you told you i i am this is who 00:34:56.500 --> 00:35:01.199 i am 24 7. this is who i am i am a sigma male 00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:06.119 24 to the definition of what a sigma male is 00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:11.210 okay um And I don't, you know, I don't steer 00:35:11.210 --> 00:35:12.989 away from it. You know what I mean? I've never 00:35:12.989 --> 00:35:17.050 tried that. Like something that I'm not. And 00:35:17.050 --> 00:35:21.610 that basically comes from who my 90 -year -old 00:35:21.610 --> 00:35:26.530 father is. Okay. If I am an OG, as that gentleman 00:35:26.530 --> 00:35:29.969 said, if you meet him, boy, you'd be like, okay, 00:35:30.150 --> 00:35:33.670 that's Superfly right there. Because he taught 00:35:33.670 --> 00:35:36.389 me well. But that's one of the things that I 00:35:36.389 --> 00:35:39.920 have kind of. That's kind of hit me right now. 00:35:40.539 --> 00:35:45.119 And another thing, our chemistry, Nephew's absolutely 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:48.380 right. The chemistry, the three of us, the three 00:35:48.380 --> 00:35:52.480 amigos, what each one brings to the table, you 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:55.599 know, differently. Here again, I think it's going 00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:57.699 to be special. It really is going to be special, 00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:03.400 especially when we do an event. And yes, I just 00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:05.360 threw that out there. Yeah, we are. Sometime 00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:09.349 in the future, we're going to do. our own event. 00:36:10.170 --> 00:36:14.889 Okay. Oh, y 'all not ready. I got it. This is 00:36:14.889 --> 00:36:21.429 a pagan exclusive. On my interview, we are finding 00:36:21.429 --> 00:36:23.550 out that there are going to be Bull Brotherhood 00:36:23.550 --> 00:36:27.909 events in the future. Yes, yes, yes. That is 00:36:27.909 --> 00:36:30.349 the goal. It is going to happen. It's going to 00:36:30.349 --> 00:36:33.090 happen, all right? And, of course, I want you 00:36:33.090 --> 00:36:36.670 to, whether we're out there or if it's on the 00:36:36.670 --> 00:36:40.070 East Coast or if it's down forever, all right, 00:36:40.090 --> 00:36:43.230 south to southwest, I want Pagan to be there, 00:36:43.409 --> 00:36:47.349 all right? I'm packing as we record this, you 00:36:47.349 --> 00:36:50.269 know what I'm saying? I'm halfway in my luggage 00:36:50.269 --> 00:36:52.309 right now. Put it on your calendar, brother. 00:36:52.469 --> 00:36:55.570 Put it on your calendar. That sounds great. All 00:36:55.570 --> 00:36:59.539 right, so we've gotten through. Can I jump in 00:36:59.539 --> 00:37:02.360 real quick and just put a cherry on top of that 00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:06.300 one? And you mentioned this too, Pagan, about 00:37:06.300 --> 00:37:10.579 the brotherhood. We haven't spoke a lot about 00:37:10.579 --> 00:37:14.340 that because this is Michael C's idea. And Michael 00:37:14.340 --> 00:37:18.000 C gave us license to use the name and to move 00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:21.280 forward. But for those that don't know, if you 00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:22.699 don't listen to the Keys and Inklings podcast, 00:37:22.980 --> 00:37:27.550 we are looking for other men. To join us in this. 00:37:27.670 --> 00:37:32.070 If you listen to these podcasts and you identify 00:37:32.070 --> 00:37:35.010 with the values that we're speaking of, please 00:37:35.010 --> 00:37:37.050 approach us. If you see us at Splash or any other 00:37:37.050 --> 00:37:40.090 events or, you know, contact, you know, email 00:37:40.090 --> 00:37:43.750 us, Instagram, whatever, because we are looking 00:37:43.750 --> 00:37:48.789 for bulls and other gentlemen in this lifestyle 00:37:48.789 --> 00:37:51.469 that want to approach it the way we do. Because, 00:37:51.550 --> 00:37:54.269 yeah, our events are going to be different. You 00:37:54.269 --> 00:37:56.289 know, we're not saying better. We're just saying 00:37:56.289 --> 00:37:59.650 different. Yeah. You know, we'll say better after 00:37:59.650 --> 00:38:02.889 a few years of proving it, you know, maybe. But 00:38:02.889 --> 00:38:06.449 right now, just say different. Right. So, yeah, 00:38:06.570 --> 00:38:09.210 you know, contact us. We are looking for that, 00:38:09.289 --> 00:38:13.929 you know. Gotcha. Gotcha. So you hear that gentleman 00:38:13.929 --> 00:38:16.130 out there, the bull signal is up in the sky. 00:38:16.969 --> 00:38:21.690 Hit these guys up. And it's about including you, 00:38:21.769 --> 00:38:24.730 not excluding you. um absolutely creating us 00:38:24.730 --> 00:38:28.530 building each other up okay we've got the foundation 00:38:28.530 --> 00:38:31.429 that's you guys backstory history how you met 00:38:31.429 --> 00:38:34.210 how you came to the podcast the need that you're 00:38:34.210 --> 00:38:37.250 trying to fulfill and everything that you've 00:38:37.250 --> 00:38:39.789 gleaned so far all right now i'm going to surprise 00:38:39.789 --> 00:38:42.269 these guys audience they do not know this is 00:38:42.269 --> 00:38:46.039 coming um they're very nervous right now They're 00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:49.260 shaking. They don't know what I'm about to throw 00:38:49.260 --> 00:38:51.480 at them. They genuinely don't know. This is real 00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:55.420 right now. Right. Exactly. Lies. I contacted 00:38:55.420 --> 00:39:01.360 some people who know you guys and love you guys. 00:39:02.300 --> 00:39:07.340 And I asked them, okay, tell me more about why 00:39:07.340 --> 00:39:10.440 you love this person. Why you think this guy 00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:15.489 is not only. a human being that you admire, but 00:39:15.489 --> 00:39:18.309 as a bull, what are the qualities that you see 00:39:18.309 --> 00:39:21.389 in them? And I thought this might be good because 00:39:21.389 --> 00:39:23.570 what I'm going to be talking about is your strengths 00:39:23.570 --> 00:39:27.469 and asking you why you feel your strengths, how 00:39:27.469 --> 00:39:29.670 they apply to the lifestyle and why they have 00:39:29.670 --> 00:39:31.969 helped you be successful. Okay. Does that sound 00:39:31.969 --> 00:39:35.690 like a fun game? Okay. So, you know, you guys 00:39:35.690 --> 00:39:37.210 are going to be covered in flowers by the end 00:39:37.210 --> 00:39:43.119 of this. I'm sure you can. All right, let's go. 00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:47.340 So Socrates, one of your friends described you 00:39:47.340 --> 00:39:50.880 as a sponge. He's probably the spongiest motherfucker 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:56.579 I know. It was a direct quote. And that means 00:39:56.579 --> 00:39:59.760 that you are a person who has a thirst for knowledge, 00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:03.000 for self -improvement. And they also mentioned 00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:07.820 you strive for excellence. So they are circling 00:40:07.820 --> 00:40:11.260 the idea that anybody who knows you well knows. 00:40:11.980 --> 00:40:14.960 You're an educator, but you're also comfortable 00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:20.920 being the student. So can you tell us why does 00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:24.400 that aspect of your personality help you as a 00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:27.780 bull? And what can other bulls maybe get out 00:40:27.780 --> 00:40:29.800 of being more like that and what it could do 00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:32.679 for them? Oh, yeah. Brother, I'm impressed. That 00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:41.590 was pretty tight. Okay. Why does it help me? 00:40:41.610 --> 00:40:47.010 Oh, my goodness. Here's the thing. Like we said, 00:40:47.110 --> 00:40:49.829 as far as our mission, there are universal principles. 00:40:50.010 --> 00:40:53.030 There are frameworks. There are like the anatomy 00:40:53.030 --> 00:40:55.230 of a woman's body. There are things that are 00:40:55.230 --> 00:40:59.070 consistent, that are replicable, that you can 00:40:59.070 --> 00:41:01.969 start with. That won't tell you everything about 00:41:01.969 --> 00:41:04.630 that individual or the group you're a part of. 00:41:04.949 --> 00:41:07.809 But there are things you can learn that are fundamental. 00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:13.400 I would rather learn those and then with that 00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:15.760 knowledge go through the trial and error because 00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:18.519 you can't escape trial and error. But I'd rather 00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:21.219 come in, like I tell a lot of people, I listen 00:41:21.219 --> 00:41:25.079 to a lot of Michael C's podcasts. Well, he cleared 00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:27.280 up a lot of things of do's and don'ts for me. 00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:30.219 When I started, you know, before I got married 00:41:30.219 --> 00:41:34.579 to Siren, I was just a single bull. And so I 00:41:34.579 --> 00:41:36.699 took a lot of those lessons and just applied 00:41:36.699 --> 00:41:41.480 it and saw that it worked. So, yeah, I really 00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:44.559 do think people should do some kind of research. 00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:46.480 And we did an episode on that. There's different 00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:48.739 kinds of research. You can be someone who gets 00:41:48.739 --> 00:41:51.539 in the books like me. You can be somebody who 00:41:51.539 --> 00:41:53.760 just needs experience or you can be somebody 00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:57.280 who just wants to watch whatever it is. I think 00:41:57.280 --> 00:41:59.559 you should add a little bit more research and 00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:02.179 talk to some people that are doing it the way 00:42:02.179 --> 00:42:04.099 you want to do it. You know, like when I met 00:42:04.099 --> 00:42:07.820 you. I was like, I like a lot of things about 00:42:07.820 --> 00:42:12.380 Pagan, but what really stands out is how he peacocks. 00:42:12.980 --> 00:42:15.960 It's dope that you don't even realize he's peacocking, 00:42:16.059 --> 00:42:20.699 but I know he's peacocking. And so I went to 00:42:20.699 --> 00:42:22.280 you, right? I just went straight to you and said, 00:42:22.340 --> 00:42:24.199 hey man, I want to learn this. You know, I think 00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:30.320 it's dope. And it has, it lended a very good, 00:42:30.420 --> 00:42:33.760 how do I put it? It opened my mind to a thought 00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:38.039 process that I'm, I'm almost done like totally 00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:42.980 revamping my style in a way that fits me authentically 00:42:42.980 --> 00:42:45.780 based on what I learned about the things you 00:42:45.780 --> 00:42:51.739 taught me. So, yeah, I say, you know, take the 00:42:51.739 --> 00:42:58.079 time and learn. Yeah, yeah, that is such great 00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:00.719 advice. And one of the things I will say about 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:03.559 you, and it almost speaks to the dynamic between 00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:06.889 you and me. Um, cause B you have the other end 00:43:06.889 --> 00:43:09.730 of the spectrum of this. There's the thing about 00:43:09.730 --> 00:43:13.570 being, um, an eternal student. And that means 00:43:13.570 --> 00:43:16.710 you never become so arrogant as to think you've 00:43:16.710 --> 00:43:20.030 learned everything. You could master something, 00:43:20.309 --> 00:43:24.349 but mastery doesn't mean I'm done. And now I 00:43:24.349 --> 00:43:27.150 just atrophy, you know, we gotta be like that 00:43:27.150 --> 00:43:29.650 shark that keeps moving forward, keep consuming, 00:43:29.849 --> 00:43:34.159 keep eating and keep learning. So that balance 00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:37.320 of knowing and being confident, oh, no, I've 00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.079 mastered this particular thing. I put in my $10 00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:43.920 ,000 plus. And the mattresses are there, you 00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:52.420 know, destroyed to prove it. The idea that I'm 00:43:52.420 --> 00:43:54.980 never going to learn everything. I can always 00:43:54.980 --> 00:43:58.320 grow. That's really, you guys are basically like 00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:02.239 living examples of that spectrum. Okay. So B, 00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:04.340 you ready for some, watch out, some flowers coming 00:44:04.340 --> 00:44:08.219 your way. Uh -oh, uh -oh, uh -oh. Do I want to 00:44:08.219 --> 00:44:13.059 hear this? There was many, I think you do. There 00:44:13.059 --> 00:44:15.360 were many people who brought up very similar 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:19.559 things. And you put it really a good way earlier 00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:22.360 about being, you know, having the voice of silence, 00:44:22.579 --> 00:44:30.000 quiet, confidence. And one of the things, or 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:33.690 actually, Four things that I want to start off 00:44:33.690 --> 00:44:37.369 with you. Several people talked about this is 00:44:37.369 --> 00:44:40.590 a man that keeps his word. His word is bond. 00:44:41.409 --> 00:44:47.289 And then these three D's came up. Diligent, disciplined, 00:44:47.610 --> 00:44:52.710 and detailed. So can you speak about being a 00:44:52.710 --> 00:44:59.670 man of his word and how Sumbles... either because 00:44:59.670 --> 00:45:04.690 they should or by some other you know misunderstandings 00:45:04.690 --> 00:45:06.630 they have a reputation for not being that way 00:45:06.630 --> 00:45:09.829 how they can avoid that and being a man of your 00:45:09.829 --> 00:45:12.070 word how does that help you as a bull but also 00:45:12.070 --> 00:45:14.909 this idea of being diligent disciplined and detailed 00:45:14.909 --> 00:45:17.530 how do those aspects of your personality help 00:45:17.530 --> 00:45:21.329 you be successful i'm gonna start with the with 00:45:21.329 --> 00:45:23.469 the last three with the discipline the detail 00:45:23.469 --> 00:45:28.710 and the diligence uh that all comes from um A, 00:45:28.710 --> 00:45:32.090 the two, although they were not in the military, 00:45:32.250 --> 00:45:34.590 but the two Sergeant Major parents that I have 00:45:34.590 --> 00:45:38.349 who are still living, they taught me that if 00:45:38.349 --> 00:45:42.110 you're going to do something, you do it right. 00:45:42.329 --> 00:45:44.690 And if you're going to tell somebody that you're 00:45:44.690 --> 00:45:49.030 going to do something, then also keep your word. 00:45:49.409 --> 00:45:54.190 And your word, P, is that's everything. That 00:45:54.190 --> 00:45:58.820 makes who you are. to me um one of the things 00:45:58.820 --> 00:46:02.159 that i always do um with couples or you know 00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:05.059 a single woman if if i tell you i'm going to 00:46:05.059 --> 00:46:08.159 be someplace they always know that i'm going 00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:13.099 to see them at three o 'clock they always compliment 00:46:13.099 --> 00:46:15.940 me they're like do you ever get here like at 00:46:15.940 --> 00:46:20.940 301 302 or anything like that i said no i if 00:46:20.940 --> 00:46:23.480 i tell you three then usually that means i'm 00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:29.210 already in the ao uh at like 255, you know, your 00:46:29.210 --> 00:46:35.130 word is everything. And, um, I stick to it and 00:46:35.130 --> 00:46:38.050 that's just not in the lifestyle, but that's 00:46:38.050 --> 00:46:41.949 in life period. Um, these podcasts that we do, 00:46:41.949 --> 00:46:44.989 that means hell I'm ready at 645. You know what 00:46:44.989 --> 00:46:47.269 I'm saying? That's, that's, that's letting you 00:46:47.269 --> 00:46:49.070 know, that's letting you know that there's no 00:46:49.070 --> 00:46:53.809 other priority at that time, but you, you see 00:46:53.809 --> 00:46:55.500 what I'm saying? Tonight, there was no other 00:46:55.500 --> 00:46:58.880 priority but Pagan and Socrates and this podcast 00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:04.219 at 7 o 'clock. So when I'm dealing with couples 00:47:04.219 --> 00:47:07.199 and the lifestyle and everything, I let them 00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:11.280 know that I'm there for you. You pleased me when 00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:14.739 you got in contact with me. So now it's all about 00:47:14.739 --> 00:47:22.019 you. So when I meet you, I'll let you know that 00:47:22.019 --> 00:47:25.880 I'm here for you. I'm one hell of a damn listener, 00:47:26.019 --> 00:47:32.019 okay? So when we do the first initial talk, communication 00:47:32.019 --> 00:47:34.699 and talk to each other, I'm taking everything 00:47:34.699 --> 00:47:37.960 in. I'm taking everything in that you say. And 00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:40.920 now it's up to me now to go back and take what 00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:43.739 you said and put it together in a little nice 00:47:43.739 --> 00:47:48.460 format. And that's how I'm gonna treat you every 00:47:48.460 --> 00:47:51.519 time. To me, like what you're also saying is 00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:56.300 the diligence. the um discipline being detailed 00:47:56.300 --> 00:47:58.639 is what allows you to keep your word because 00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:01.760 you got your shit together yeah you're not being 00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:04.559 half -assed you're not oh man i forgot oh is 00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:06.300 that oh it's tonight tonight with that couple 00:48:06.300 --> 00:48:09.239 and then it causes people to not keep their word 00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:11.860 because they're not doing those three things 00:48:11.860 --> 00:48:14.940 that you do so it sounds like great advice a 00:48:14.940 --> 00:48:17.340 man a bull whatever you want to call yourself 00:48:17.340 --> 00:48:20.480 but i break it down to a man a man is good as 00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:24.969 his word that's it yeah that is it well this 00:48:24.969 --> 00:48:28.070 is uh this is really sage advice all right um 00:48:28.070 --> 00:48:30.010 this one is going to go out to kind of both of 00:48:30.010 --> 00:48:34.289 y 'all just on two different um ends socrates 00:48:34.289 --> 00:48:39.829 this is under the the whole subheading of uh 00:48:39.829 --> 00:48:44.730 confidence and one of the things about you socrates 00:48:44.730 --> 00:48:48.190 is one of our uh brothers was telling me like 00:48:48.190 --> 00:48:52.329 what i admire about socrates is he's he's pulling 00:48:52.329 --> 00:48:55.090 these things in as we talked about before but 00:48:55.090 --> 00:48:58.530 like you can tell he's paying attention and he's 00:48:58.530 --> 00:49:00.710 absorbing it i mean b talked about you were taking 00:49:00.710 --> 00:49:06.710 notes notes like for real you know um and one 00:49:06.710 --> 00:49:09.150 of the things i wanted to talk about was like 00:49:09.150 --> 00:49:12.090 when it comes to like self -confidence you have 00:49:12.090 --> 00:49:14.949 been transparent about that wasn't always your 00:49:14.949 --> 00:49:20.769 strong suit right And then for B, one of the 00:49:20.769 --> 00:49:23.909 main things people talk about is his self -confidence 00:49:23.909 --> 00:49:28.829 and how he's unapologetic and, like, transparent. 00:49:28.989 --> 00:49:32.050 Like, his authenticity is off the charts. I don't 00:49:32.050 --> 00:49:34.690 know if a lot of folks know this, but, you know, 00:49:34.769 --> 00:49:38.070 B Morgan is not like a Tom Cruise. This is government. 00:49:38.690 --> 00:49:44.400 Like, this is life. is out there and his people, 00:49:44.500 --> 00:49:48.719 his family is aware. This is how honestly B is 00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:52.460 living. So that takes an extreme amount of self 00:49:52.460 --> 00:49:55.039 -confidence. So I just wanted to talk to both 00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:58.280 of you. Maybe you could go first, Socrates, about 00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:02.340 how like that journey of learning and then how 00:50:02.340 --> 00:50:05.219 much self -confidence you have now, which exudes 00:50:05.219 --> 00:50:08.019 from the podcast and from people who meet you. 00:50:08.780 --> 00:50:11.480 How did that help you? So there's a lot of bulls 00:50:11.480 --> 00:50:15.360 out there that have that issue and are trying 00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:17.699 to take the path you took. And then also, I just 00:50:17.699 --> 00:50:20.360 wanted to ask B after that, when it comes to 00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:22.400 self -confidence, how did you get there to this 00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:25.159 place that you're at? We're almost like the Zen 00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:27.360 master of self -confidence that people talk about. 00:50:28.260 --> 00:50:32.019 You know, but maybe Socrates, you can go first 00:50:32.019 --> 00:50:34.079 about your journey with that and how it could 00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:36.780 help another bull. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know. 00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:39.539 Like, I think we were, I don't know if we were 00:50:39.539 --> 00:50:43.380 on the podcast together. I think it was O -Faces 00:50:43.380 --> 00:50:47.019 when I talked about it first. And I think Dimitri's 00:50:47.019 --> 00:50:50.800 on there and everything. But, yeah, I would say 00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:56.760 this. I was 80 % there before several, I met 00:50:56.760 --> 00:50:59.480 several people. And it's three people, 100%, 00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:03.260 that got me there. And then Unk kind of sealed 00:51:03.260 --> 00:51:10.059 it for me. You know, I grew up, you know, we 00:51:10.059 --> 00:51:12.400 talked about my upbringing and how crazy I grew 00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:16.579 up. And I grew up really confused, very multicultural, 00:51:16.940 --> 00:51:19.719 moved around a lot, a lot of different experiences, 00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:23.239 a lot of different family backgrounds and dynamics. 00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:26.380 So I really grew up thinking, well, I need to 00:51:26.380 --> 00:51:28.280 be all black, but I'm not. I'm also a little 00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:29.960 bit Puerto Rican. I speak Spanish. I love the 00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:32.599 language. All right. I love black history and 00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:34.800 I need to be like Malcolm X. But, you know, I 00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:37.119 really like white folks and, you know, white 00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:39.679 folks are cool. And, you know, so I grew up really 00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:45.039 confused, just all over the place. And but I 00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:47.760 also grew up improving myself and working on 00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:49.599 myself and getting better at almost everything 00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:53.360 I do. So I got to a point where when I say I 00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:55.219 was about 80 % there, I got to the point where 00:51:55.219 --> 00:51:58.139 I was like, I got some skills. It's not like 00:51:58.139 --> 00:52:01.239 I'm ugly. It's not like I don't have anything 00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:06.280 to offer. But I knew that 20 % was the thing 00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:10.739 that was missing that allowed me to be confident. 00:52:10.860 --> 00:52:13.119 So I was insecure because I was like, well, I'm 00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:17.079 80 % there, but for whatever reason, it's not 00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:21.730 translating with people around me. Fast forward, 00:52:21.989 --> 00:52:24.969 what happened is I met three important people, 00:52:25.090 --> 00:52:28.710 and then including Unk, Brian Morgan, sealing 00:52:28.710 --> 00:52:36.010 it. My wife, Michael C., and Mr. Mocha. And first 00:52:36.010 --> 00:52:38.909 my wife taught me one thing. It was the people 00:52:38.909 --> 00:52:43.070 I was surrounding myself with. I would not post 00:52:43.070 --> 00:52:44.969 on Facebook because I didn't want to deal with 00:52:44.969 --> 00:52:48.050 maybe 20 % of people hating on me or hating on 00:52:48.050 --> 00:52:51.750 the idea. Just not even, and I definitely didn't 00:52:51.750 --> 00:52:58.110 want to talk to anybody about it. So she taught 00:52:58.110 --> 00:53:01.190 me it's really all about the people on your page 00:53:01.190 --> 00:53:04.250 and the people you surround yourself with, you 00:53:04.250 --> 00:53:08.150 know? And so, you know, that was one. And then 00:53:08.150 --> 00:53:11.909 she taught me about my self -talk. Siren is really 00:53:11.909 --> 00:53:15.880 big into manifestation and... positive mental 00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:18.360 attitude and perspective and I have learned a 00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:21.079 lot about that but I realized I had a lot of 00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:23.820 negative self -talk in my head saying I'm not 00:53:23.820 --> 00:53:25.619 going to be successful or people don't appreciate 00:53:25.619 --> 00:53:29.679 this or it's not going to happen so that really 00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:33.039 laid down a good foundation and then I don't 00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:35.780 know if I've told this story yet but Michael 00:53:35.780 --> 00:53:38.340 C me and Michael C started talking and I think 00:53:38.340 --> 00:53:40.039 this is when I first started producing for a 00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:42.940 show for a while And he was talking about confidence. 00:53:43.019 --> 00:53:46.980 And he said, he tells a story of him looking 00:53:46.980 --> 00:53:51.119 at confidence as a suit that you put on or a 00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:55.320 personality that you add to yourself. And looking 00:53:55.320 --> 00:54:00.480 at it as if, you know, it's a third party. And 00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.980 saying to yourself one thing, what would confident 00:54:02.980 --> 00:54:06.440 LeBron do in this moment? And that little small 00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:13.289 paradigm shift totally jumped, like, like changed 00:54:13.289 --> 00:54:16.929 the game for me because I would ask myself, what 00:54:16.929 --> 00:54:18.510 would LeBron do? And half the time I'm like, 00:54:18.630 --> 00:54:19.989 no, that was some stupid, that's some stupid 00:54:19.989 --> 00:54:24.210 shit. Don't do that. You know? And then I wouldn't 00:54:24.210 --> 00:54:33.889 do anything or I'd do some stupid shit. So I 00:54:33.889 --> 00:54:36.010 couldn't ask myself that, but then what would 00:54:36.010 --> 00:54:39.429 confident LeBron do? That gave my nerdish brain. 00:54:40.090 --> 00:54:45.230 like almost like a connection to a file. And 00:54:45.230 --> 00:54:48.889 I can go into my brain for all the things that 00:54:48.889 --> 00:54:51.030 I've, books I've read and things I've studied 00:54:51.030 --> 00:54:54.010 and YouTube channels and whatever I've done on 00:54:54.010 --> 00:54:57.449 what cool people do and how I could do it for 00:54:57.449 --> 00:55:00.150 myself authentically. And so it kind of gave 00:55:00.150 --> 00:55:02.269 me like this database of things that I could, 00:55:02.329 --> 00:55:04.710 oh, cool LeBron would say this and cool, you 00:55:04.710 --> 00:55:06.610 know, and confident LeBron would say do that. 00:55:07.289 --> 00:55:08.969 Confident LeBron would just go up to her and, 00:55:08.989 --> 00:55:12.130 you know, say this and say, you know. So that 00:55:12.130 --> 00:55:16.329 changed the game. And then last, it was a personal 00:55:16.329 --> 00:55:18.369 conversation that me and Mr. Mocha were having. 00:55:18.510 --> 00:55:20.849 And I was talking about the diversity of who 00:55:20.849 --> 00:55:24.090 I am. I speak Spanish. I like to speak proper 00:55:24.090 --> 00:55:27.590 English. But I'm also born in the country. You 00:55:27.590 --> 00:55:30.409 know, I've been around every kind of race. You 00:55:30.409 --> 00:55:33.150 know, I grew up on a farm sometimes and a hood 00:55:33.150 --> 00:55:37.130 the next and around very educated. you know, 00:55:37.150 --> 00:55:41.469 career -focused black folks and ministry to gangsters 00:55:41.469 --> 00:55:46.349 and, you know, thugs and pimps. So I grew up 00:55:46.349 --> 00:55:49.409 confused about all of it. Like, who am I? And 00:55:49.409 --> 00:55:55.210 Mr. Mocha damn near yelled at me and was like, 00:55:55.289 --> 00:55:57.670 dude, I wish I had all them damn skills. You 00:55:57.670 --> 00:56:00.070 don't need to freaking pick on you all of it, 00:56:00.150 --> 00:56:03.860 nickel. You know, he was going off on me. you 00:56:03.860 --> 00:56:07.119 know, in love, but he was, he was, I'm tired 00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:10.239 of this shit. And he would say, you know, I've 00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:12.739 been on the end of one of them. Right. Oh yeah. 00:56:14.539 --> 00:56:16.860 That's a good impression. You just did. Yeah. 00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:22.599 And so he was like, man, he started off with, 00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:24.780 do you know? Cause you know, I think it was the 00:56:24.780 --> 00:56:27.739 Atlanta splash. I was. I got in trouble because 00:56:27.739 --> 00:56:29.820 I was trying to holler at some of the employees. 00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:31.420 I didn't realize I wasn't supposed to do that. 00:56:32.179 --> 00:56:34.559 But they were Latinas. And so I was hollering 00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:36.579 in Spanish. And he was like, man, do you know 00:56:36.579 --> 00:56:42.000 what I would do if I just had that one? So he 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:44.800 helped me realize, like, it's all me. If I show 00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:47.539 up in some cowboy boots and cowboy hat, that's 00:56:47.539 --> 00:56:50.699 me. Like, straight up. If I show up in some chucks 00:56:50.699 --> 00:56:52.739 and some khaki suits and a red hat and a red 00:56:52.739 --> 00:56:57.079 bandana, that's me. You know? You know, last 00:56:57.079 --> 00:57:00.099 splash, I was a nerd, you know, for one of the, 00:57:00.139 --> 00:57:04.820 that's me. And that's who I am. Fuck the rest 00:57:04.820 --> 00:57:07.380 if you don't like it, you know? And that's, and 00:57:07.380 --> 00:57:12.139 then Brian Morgan explained to me what a real 00:57:12.139 --> 00:57:14.440 Sigma male is, and then he read off something. 00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:16.840 I don't know if he wrote it or found it somewhere, 00:57:17.019 --> 00:57:19.920 but he talked about the kind of Sigma male that 00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:23.360 I am, which is somebody who holds very complicated, 00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:26.469 almost sometimes, contradictory ideas in his 00:57:26.469 --> 00:57:30.449 head at one time and can process it. Like, I 00:57:30.449 --> 00:57:33.090 don't, you know how Tesla can imagine things 00:57:33.090 --> 00:57:36.469 in his head digitally? Like, I mean, you know, 00:57:36.469 --> 00:57:40.590 in a physical way, three -dimensionally? I can 00:57:40.590 --> 00:57:43.250 do that with concepts. I can't do that with objects. 00:57:43.570 --> 00:57:47.909 But I can hold several long process of concepts 00:57:47.909 --> 00:57:50.210 in my head. And he explained that that is a version 00:57:50.210 --> 00:57:53.389 of Signal Now. And I was like, oh, that's it. 00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:58.139 So that gave it a container. That gave it a framework 00:57:58.139 --> 00:58:02.159 to put all the other stuff in that Siren and 00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:05.760 Michael C. and Mr. Mocha taught me. And that 00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:09.980 sealed it. It was done. Okay. Okay. That brings 00:58:09.980 --> 00:58:15.099 us to B. Yeah. In terms of getting it where you 00:58:15.099 --> 00:58:19.699 are with your self -confidence, which, you know, 00:58:19.699 --> 00:58:23.760 as you say, you live this life 24 -7. Many people... 00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:29.019 wish they could do that many people um you know 00:58:29.019 --> 00:58:35.360 are obviously afraid of that um but in terms 00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:38.059 of that or just having self -confidence in general 00:58:38.059 --> 00:58:42.420 as a bull um which we all know we're all attracted 00:58:42.420 --> 00:58:46.739 to people who have it um how did you get there 00:58:46.739 --> 00:58:48.699 and what advice could you give like a young bull 00:58:48.699 --> 00:58:55.929 um First of all, here again, be who you are. 00:58:56.010 --> 00:59:00.489 Be yourself. And that takes time to find out 00:59:00.489 --> 00:59:04.809 who you really are, okay? My journey started, 00:59:05.050 --> 00:59:09.550 of course, and here again, I'm bringing up the 00:59:09.550 --> 00:59:13.789 OG of all OGs to me, and that's my dad. My father 00:59:13.789 --> 00:59:17.650 says, son, look at yourself in the mirror. And 00:59:17.650 --> 00:59:22.000 every day when you wake up, And you visualize, 00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:24.960 you see what you look like. He said, you'd be 00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:30.119 extra proud of that person. He said, it doesn't 00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:31.860 matter if you're a skinny guy. Because here again, 00:59:31.980 --> 00:59:37.719 I had problems with being skinny. And I did not 00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:43.739 develop until I joined the military. So he told 00:59:43.739 --> 00:59:47.599 me, he said. Just be very, very confident in 00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:50.739 who you are 24 -7. He said, when you walk into 00:59:50.739 --> 00:59:52.619 a room, don't walk into the room. Become the 00:59:52.619 --> 00:59:56.559 room. Take the room. And I always kept that in 00:59:56.559 --> 01:00:00.139 the back of my mind. Now, when I joined the military, 01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:04.099 I met some sergeants major, about two or three 01:00:04.099 --> 01:00:07.619 guys, one in the gym who took me under his wing. 01:00:07.780 --> 01:00:13.099 And that was where I started developing a physique. 01:00:14.019 --> 01:00:17.920 And when I did that, that changed my whole mindset, 01:00:18.019 --> 01:00:23.179 Pagan. It really did. I was able to, here again, 01:00:23.260 --> 01:00:26.440 like my dad said, I wouldn't walk into the club. 01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:31.780 I took the club. I would do what he said, walk 01:00:31.780 --> 01:00:34.059 around about two or three times and let them 01:00:34.059 --> 01:00:36.800 see the package. And then come back and you sit 01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:39.579 down in the corner and you just sit there. Don't 01:00:39.579 --> 01:00:43.139 get up anymore. Don't get up. He said, you be 01:00:43.139 --> 01:00:46.699 just like a particular secret agent, and I won't 01:00:46.699 --> 01:00:49.679 say the three numbers and stuff, but we all know 01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:52.480 who it is. Okay, double O, and I'll stop it there. 01:00:52.739 --> 01:00:55.059 But he said, you be just like that guy sitting 01:00:55.059 --> 01:00:57.519 over there in the corner, and you give them something 01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:00.079 to think about. And they're going to look at 01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:01.860 you, and they're going to be like, okay, who 01:01:01.860 --> 01:01:10.699 is this guy? You know, who is this guy? And it 01:01:10.699 --> 01:01:15.440 went from there. I kind of recreated Brian Morgan. 01:01:16.500 --> 01:01:20.300 And I always said to myself, when I got into 01:01:20.300 --> 01:01:22.840 the lifestyle and I started, you know, going 01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:26.940 on SDC and SLS and all that stuff, AFF, and I 01:01:26.940 --> 01:01:28.820 would see, you know, the usernames and dah, dah, 01:01:28.820 --> 01:01:31.280 dah, and all that. I was like, okay, my name 01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:32.860 is Brian Morgan. What the hell's wrong with that? 01:01:33.820 --> 01:01:41.639 You know, this is who I am. So I was like. I'm 01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:45.820 sticking to that. And yes, I looked up the archetypes 01:01:45.820 --> 01:01:48.400 of the Sigma male, and I was like, okay, that's 01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:53.619 what I am too. I'm a bull, but I am a Sigma first 01:01:53.619 --> 01:02:01.260 and foremost. So here again, I stuck with who 01:02:01.260 --> 01:02:04.679 I am instead of trying to go to events or trying 01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:09.570 to be somebody that I'm not. And what I would 01:02:09.570 --> 01:02:11.889 tell the young guys that are coming into this 01:02:11.889 --> 01:02:17.349 life right now is to sit back. If you attend 01:02:17.349 --> 01:02:19.829 an event or whatever, small event, whatever, 01:02:19.889 --> 01:02:23.349 sit back and just look at some of the guys who 01:02:23.349 --> 01:02:27.630 are there. Observe, observe, see how they work. 01:02:29.110 --> 01:02:32.570 If that is something that you think you might 01:02:32.570 --> 01:02:36.429 be able to, you know, emulate. Okay, cool. But 01:02:36.429 --> 01:02:39.309 I would suggest though, you, you, Find out, like 01:02:39.309 --> 01:02:41.489 I said, find out what works for you. Find out 01:02:41.489 --> 01:02:43.329 what works for you. If you are a talker, if you 01:02:43.329 --> 01:02:46.570 are a talker, by all means, conversate, all right? 01:02:46.670 --> 01:02:49.210 If you're not a talker like myself and you know 01:02:49.210 --> 01:02:52.269 you have an aura about you, sit there. Let's 01:02:52.269 --> 01:02:54.630 see who comes to you. If you have a little bit 01:02:54.630 --> 01:02:59.369 of both, branch out. Let's see how you work. 01:02:59.809 --> 01:03:04.130 But don't be afraid to fail. That's another thing 01:03:04.130 --> 01:03:06.550 about confidence also. Don't be afraid to fail. 01:03:07.090 --> 01:03:10.090 And when you fail, fail big. Because when you 01:03:10.090 --> 01:03:12.650 come back with the right equation, that's going 01:03:12.650 --> 01:03:15.309 to make you a dangerous motherfucker. And that's 01:03:15.309 --> 01:03:17.630 what happened to me. I had to fail a couple of 01:03:17.630 --> 01:03:20.349 times in order to get the equation right. But 01:03:20.349 --> 01:03:24.110 when I got it right, and now it has evolved over 01:03:24.110 --> 01:03:29.269 the years, that's who the Sigma male is now. 01:03:30.909 --> 01:03:33.829 whoever you talk to and they were like yeah he's 01:03:33.829 --> 01:03:36.590 confident and he's this and he's that uh thank 01:03:36.590 --> 01:03:39.690 you tell them thank you because they kind of 01:03:39.690 --> 01:03:42.989 hit it right on the head that's why i gotta i 01:03:42.989 --> 01:03:44.670 gotta break it to you that's that's everybody 01:03:44.670 --> 01:03:48.170 that's how everybody describes you um okay the 01:03:48.170 --> 01:03:51.389 the great thing about what i got from both of 01:03:51.389 --> 01:03:54.150 you guys that is a thread that i heard throughout 01:03:54.150 --> 01:03:59.690 is that you can create your own reality Confidence 01:03:59.690 --> 01:04:02.449 is not a bus that you're waiting on and you're 01:04:02.449 --> 01:04:04.010 sitting at a bus stop and it's going to stop 01:04:04.010 --> 01:04:08.989 by. It's something that you make. You, you know, 01:04:08.989 --> 01:04:12.070 Socrates, you talked about like that moment with 01:04:12.070 --> 01:04:14.190 Michael C when he was just like, it's like a 01:04:14.190 --> 01:04:17.429 suit you put on. Right. B, you talked about a 01:04:17.429 --> 01:04:20.789 time when your body transformed. and your mind 01:04:20.789 --> 01:04:24.349 followed that transformation yes yes there's 01:04:24.349 --> 01:04:27.809 things that you guys actualized and did you guys 01:04:27.809 --> 01:04:31.650 remind me of uh there's an amazing um speaker 01:04:31.650 --> 01:04:35.469 amy cuddy she's uh does a great ted talk you 01:04:35.469 --> 01:04:38.829 can check out but she did an experiment where 01:04:38.829 --> 01:04:42.369 just by putting your hands on your hips or sitting 01:04:42.369 --> 01:04:44.949 in a chair with your legs like spread open in 01:04:44.949 --> 01:04:51.340 a power pose these poses trick your body into 01:04:51.340 --> 01:04:53.380 thinking you're in charge, even when you might 01:04:53.380 --> 01:04:57.679 be nervous and not in charge. And so if you put 01:04:57.679 --> 01:04:59.820 your hands on your hips for two minutes, she 01:04:59.820 --> 01:05:03.219 found out your cortisol drops. That's the fear 01:05:03.219 --> 01:05:06.579 hormone. It drops like 20%. Your testosterone 01:05:06.579 --> 01:05:11.639 shoots up and you have more confidence. So you 01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:13.760 can literally like fake it till you make it into 01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:15.440 something that people say, oh, that's bullshit. 01:05:15.539 --> 01:05:18.969 No, that's how it works. You make it happen by 01:05:18.969 --> 01:05:21.730 just acting like it. And that's what you guys 01:05:21.730 --> 01:05:25.969 do, which is really interesting. But I don't 01:05:25.969 --> 01:05:29.130 have time for, I think, one more question maybe. 01:05:29.389 --> 01:05:31.690 Yeah. So I'm going to try to make it a good one. 01:05:33.389 --> 01:05:36.250 Socrates, one of the things people said about 01:05:36.250 --> 01:05:39.210 you is, and this definitely sounds like the guy 01:05:39.210 --> 01:05:42.170 we talked about earlier, who is always self -improving 01:05:42.170 --> 01:05:45.409 and striving for knowledge. You're just a listener. 01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:49.500 You're not like a talker. You talk when you have 01:05:49.500 --> 01:05:53.300 listened already. How does that help a bull across 01:05:53.300 --> 01:05:55.760 the board from dealing with other bulls to dealing 01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:58.320 with couples, women? How do you think that's 01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:02.320 helped you? Well, first, let me give my wife 01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:05.119 credit for getting me there because she really 01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:09.579 helped me develop that skill. And like Unk said, 01:06:09.739 --> 01:06:12.320 thank whoever said that. I really appreciate 01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:16.269 that. I want to go back to some old school wisdom 01:06:16.269 --> 01:06:18.389 and people have dropped this, especially in the, 01:06:18.389 --> 01:06:21.090 I'm big in the manosphere or red pill community 01:06:21.090 --> 01:06:23.469 or, you know, the Andrew Tate thing. Not that 01:06:23.469 --> 01:06:25.630 I like Andrew. I don't really like Andrew Tate, 01:06:25.650 --> 01:06:29.050 but I'm big in that community. I learned a lot, 01:06:29.070 --> 01:06:31.150 especially with a guy called Orion Terriban. 01:06:31.289 --> 01:06:34.190 I really like the way his perspective is. But 01:06:34.190 --> 01:06:39.849 so when John Gray described men are from Mars, 01:06:39.889 --> 01:06:42.289 women are from Venus, his fundamental principle 01:06:42.289 --> 01:06:46.429 is that. We communicate in a different way. And 01:06:46.429 --> 01:06:49.309 men have, you know, men and women throughout 01:06:49.309 --> 01:06:51.630 the years have gone through a transformation, 01:06:51.630 --> 01:06:54.429 especially when it comes to the workforce. And 01:06:54.429 --> 01:06:59.349 back in the day, we were like hunters. And what 01:06:59.349 --> 01:07:01.670 does a hunter do when he's hunting? He's quiet. 01:07:02.449 --> 01:07:05.929 He's low. He doesn't make a lot of noise. You 01:07:05.929 --> 01:07:09.889 don't want to scare or frighten or chase away 01:07:09.889 --> 01:07:14.969 the thing you're hunting. So he would say, we're 01:07:14.969 --> 01:07:17.269 not hunters anymore. We're in an office space. 01:07:17.389 --> 01:07:20.809 We work from home. We're on a computer. He says, 01:07:20.869 --> 01:07:22.650 but you could do that with your wife or your 01:07:22.650 --> 01:07:27.949 girlfriend. And he says, get low. Be quiet. Listen 01:07:27.949 --> 01:07:35.969 more. And what happens is that all quiet people 01:07:35.969 --> 01:07:38.769 will tell you one statement. If you shut up and 01:07:38.769 --> 01:07:40.469 listen, that person will tell you everything 01:07:40.469 --> 01:07:44.460 you want to know. And it's so true. So true. 01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:48.119 And so in the lifestyle, it's the same thing. 01:07:48.500 --> 01:07:51.840 Listen, almost every woman you're playing with 01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:56.900 has a way they want you to approach her. And 01:07:56.900 --> 01:08:00.099 if you listen, she'll tell you straight out or 01:08:00.099 --> 01:08:04.699 give you a lot of clues. She'll tell you. what 01:08:04.699 --> 01:08:07.420 she values and what she doesn't value. She'll 01:08:07.420 --> 01:08:09.639 mention things like, well, those people over 01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:11.400 there are doing that, and I'm not judging, but, 01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:15.320 you know, she'll give you hints on what she likes 01:08:15.320 --> 01:08:19.659 and what she doesn't like. So that's a recent 01:08:19.659 --> 01:08:21.640 skill that I've learned that has really paid 01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:27.279 off recently because when I'm focused and I'm 01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:30.439 listening to what she's saying, it helps a bull 01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:34.489 so many ways because she wants... you to succeed 01:08:34.489 --> 01:08:37.829 right you're the one with the hard dick you're 01:08:37.829 --> 01:08:40.750 the one that has to perform not that it's a thing 01:08:40.750 --> 01:08:42.789 where you know you have to make her happy or 01:08:42.789 --> 01:08:44.170 you're at her beck and call or anything like 01:08:44.170 --> 01:08:47.569 that but men perform right and so you're both 01:08:47.569 --> 01:08:51.670 enjoying each other but she wants you to succeed 01:08:51.670 --> 01:08:54.750 she wants you to know what you're doing now some 01:08:54.750 --> 01:08:58.189 of them want you to ask questions and guess or 01:08:58.189 --> 01:09:01.010 just do what you do and and figure it out but 01:09:01.010 --> 01:09:04.390 when you're listening to her she's giving you 01:09:04.390 --> 01:09:06.590 clues, especially in a lifestyle setting. If 01:09:06.590 --> 01:09:09.590 you're at a lifestyle party or cruise or wherever, 01:09:09.829 --> 01:09:11.649 you know what you're there for. We know what 01:09:11.649 --> 01:09:14.409 we're there for. I mean, you know, half the people 01:09:14.409 --> 01:09:16.149 at a vanilla club know what they're there for, 01:09:16.229 --> 01:09:23.710 you know? But, so, listen, because when you, 01:09:23.850 --> 01:09:27.069 another old school book I recommend, it's a vanilla 01:09:27.069 --> 01:09:30.350 book, it's called Seven Habits of Highly Effective 01:09:30.350 --> 01:09:34.659 People. And, One of the habits, I think the second 01:09:34.659 --> 01:09:37.819 habit was seek first. No, the sixth habit. Seek 01:09:37.819 --> 01:09:42.619 first to understand, then to be understood. And 01:09:42.619 --> 01:09:47.140 another thing that Siren always says, be interested, 01:09:47.380 --> 01:09:52.800 not interesting. So if you can sit back and be 01:09:52.800 --> 01:09:57.340 interested in what she about and, you know, remember 01:09:57.340 --> 01:10:00.279 what her dress was when you met her and mention 01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:04.659 it later. Understand what really got her there. 01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:07.359 I like to hear origin stories. What got you to 01:10:07.359 --> 01:10:09.840 sexual freedom? You know, those kind of things. 01:10:09.939 --> 01:10:12.140 What were some of the barriers that get you here 01:10:12.140 --> 01:10:15.180 mentally and physically, financially or anything? 01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:18.539 You know, what's the story of how you got to 01:10:18.539 --> 01:10:21.760 be so liberate? All those kind of things gives 01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:25.159 you clues on who she is and how you can approach 01:10:25.159 --> 01:10:28.220 her. And when you do that, it just, it makes 01:10:28.220 --> 01:10:31.319 it. I don't know if I should use this word, but 01:10:31.319 --> 01:10:33.600 it makes it more efficient. And I don't mean 01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:38.159 efficient like heartless or cold. I mean, you're 01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:40.579 going to get to the things that she wants you 01:10:40.579 --> 01:10:43.420 to get to, that you want to, which is a good 01:10:43.420 --> 01:10:46.079 time, which is to see if you vibe. Because a 01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:48.119 lot of times if you listen, you realize pretty 01:10:48.119 --> 01:10:50.659 soon or really early on in the conversation, 01:10:50.979 --> 01:10:54.579 we don't vibe. Like you cool and everything, 01:10:54.800 --> 01:10:59.409 but we don't vibe. We're going to be talking 01:10:59.409 --> 01:11:01.829 about in a future episode about different clicks 01:11:01.829 --> 01:11:04.569 and why I think clicks are good sometimes and 01:11:04.569 --> 01:11:07.149 certain kind of vibes and certain kind of groups. 01:11:07.550 --> 01:11:09.810 So when you listen, you can tell, okay, is she 01:11:09.810 --> 01:11:13.170 feeling me or is she not? Am I vibing? Is she 01:11:13.170 --> 01:11:15.590 vibing? You know, what are her values are? Where 01:11:15.590 --> 01:11:18.989 is she coming from? That information, even if 01:11:18.989 --> 01:11:21.390 it's just subconsciously being registered, it 01:11:21.390 --> 01:11:24.970 all helps, man. And it all helps you doing, enjoying, 01:11:25.069 --> 01:11:28.000 having a good time and reducing friction. you 01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:31.220 know can i add on to that i know it's not my 01:11:31.220 --> 01:11:34.159 question but can i just say something no go ahead 01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:37.020 i mean if you hit it out of the park i mean he 01:11:37.020 --> 01:11:39.279 absolutely hit it out of the park but i also 01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:42.920 have to say that when you are as a bull when 01:11:42.920 --> 01:11:47.840 you are in tune with that couple via listening 01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:50.880 like that and you are not only listening but 01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:54.500 you giving them that eye contact and you will 01:11:54.500 --> 01:11:59.539 find out very very quickly that they, not just 01:11:59.539 --> 01:12:03.340 her, that they are into you. They've already 01:12:03.340 --> 01:12:07.239 given their signal to each other that, okay, 01:12:07.279 --> 01:12:10.159 we definitely want to see this guy again because 01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:13.920 he's not just here just to bed you down tonight. 01:12:14.300 --> 01:12:17.500 He's actually getting to know us as a couple. 01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:20.420 He's putting us first and foremost. He's making 01:12:20.420 --> 01:12:22.800 us feel like we are the only couple on the face 01:12:22.800 --> 01:12:25.600 of the earth right now. And I am loving this 01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:29.479 shit. All right. Her body language. If she, if 01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:32.979 you guys started sitting, um, say a little bit 01:12:32.979 --> 01:12:35.460 kind of sort of distance away from each other, 01:12:35.500 --> 01:12:38.300 but at the end of the conversation, she's done 01:12:38.300 --> 01:12:41.460 moved over. Oh, almost, you know, where you are 01:12:41.460 --> 01:12:44.859 and God forbid, if she throws a little, the little 01:12:44.859 --> 01:12:47.340 forearm touch or the little touch on the knee 01:12:47.340 --> 01:12:50.260 or something like that. Oh brother, you're in 01:12:50.260 --> 01:12:54.220 there. You're in there. Okay. And that is what 01:12:54.220 --> 01:12:58.539 couples. are looking for, in my opinion, when 01:12:58.539 --> 01:13:04.539 I say bulls provide the bull boyfriend experience. 01:13:05.180 --> 01:13:08.859 That's what they're looking for. That's great. 01:13:09.460 --> 01:13:15.920 So, B, last one for you. A lot of the people 01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:19.260 who admired you were talking about how, like, 01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:22.899 you have made a journey that they admire because 01:13:22.899 --> 01:13:28.420 you used to be a lone wolf. And now you have 01:13:28.420 --> 01:13:32.779 taken this path where you are one of the leaders 01:13:32.779 --> 01:13:37.880 in brotherhood, in creating a community, in having 01:13:37.880 --> 01:13:40.840 a standard. So can you talk a little bit about 01:13:40.840 --> 01:13:43.399 that? Like for the lone wolves out there listening 01:13:43.399 --> 01:13:47.340 who might want to be that, and that's perfectly 01:13:47.340 --> 01:13:50.000 fine, nothing wrong with it, but there's others 01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:53.560 who might want to have more brotherhood. Can 01:13:53.560 --> 01:13:56.920 you? talk about your journey and maybe help those 01:13:56.920 --> 01:14:02.539 guys out? First and foremost, I'm still a lone 01:14:02.539 --> 01:14:05.840 wolf. I'm still a lone wolf, but I've opened 01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:08.680 up the gate a little bit. I've opened up the 01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:13.659 gate a lot. At my age now, like I said before, 01:14:13.939 --> 01:14:18.159 I want to bring other guys in. I want to teach. 01:14:18.380 --> 01:14:22.279 I want to mentor. I want other... Whether you're 01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:24.699 younger or you're older, I want other guys to 01:14:24.699 --> 01:14:28.819 come in and embrace who they really are in this 01:14:28.819 --> 01:14:31.420 lifestyle. If you are a Sigma, if you're Alpha, 01:14:31.699 --> 01:14:36.960 doesn't matter, right? Come in and be you. Come 01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:40.479 in and be you. So what I've done is, as I said 01:14:40.479 --> 01:14:44.300 before, normally I'm not a huge conversationalist. 01:14:44.300 --> 01:14:49.560 I'm not a talker. I have gone through 30 years. 01:14:50.270 --> 01:14:52.810 of this, of being in this lifestyle, of being 01:14:52.810 --> 01:14:58.090 the CEO and president of MeFi Me fraternity. 01:14:58.369 --> 01:15:01.850 Okay. I did not have anybody that I ran with 01:15:01.850 --> 01:15:09.449 until now. And to have let a group of brothers 01:15:09.449 --> 01:15:13.210 like you guys come into my life, I realized that 01:15:13.210 --> 01:15:17.130 I needed it. I really did need it because I am 01:15:17.130 --> 01:15:22.619 seeing how... I'm seeing how there are different 01:15:22.619 --> 01:15:27.779 prototypes out there, such as yourself, Pagan, 01:15:27.899 --> 01:15:31.260 with all of your knowledge and intellect, as 01:15:31.260 --> 01:15:35.079 well as Nephew with the listening skills that 01:15:35.079 --> 01:15:39.920 he has, but also, as he calls himself, he's nerdy 01:15:39.920 --> 01:15:42.039 with it. I don't think he's nerdy. I just think 01:15:42.039 --> 01:15:48.680 he is unique. Michael C., Mr. Mocha, Dimitri, 01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:51.460 everybody brings something different to this 01:15:51.460 --> 01:15:56.020 brotherhood. So if I'm telling a young buck out 01:15:56.020 --> 01:16:01.659 there how to navigate in this lifestyle, if he 01:16:01.659 --> 01:16:06.579 may be a lone wolf, if you're a young dude, it 01:16:06.579 --> 01:16:10.199 is fine right now, here again, to find yourself 01:16:10.199 --> 01:16:15.369 if you're in your 20s or 30s. as you get older 01:16:15.369 --> 01:16:21.750 um and you begin to set certain standards about 01:16:21.750 --> 01:16:24.470 yourself and you see that they're working and 01:16:24.470 --> 01:16:26.989 not only that they're working other people are 01:16:26.989 --> 01:16:29.050 gravitating to you other guys are gravitating 01:16:29.050 --> 01:16:31.109 wanting to talk to you and find out what you're 01:16:31.109 --> 01:16:33.710 all about and you'll have questions such and 01:16:33.710 --> 01:16:36.989 such let them in don't shut them out like i did 01:16:36.989 --> 01:16:41.109 um i was guilty of that you know up until now 01:16:41.109 --> 01:16:45.439 um but let me teach teach teach there's nothing 01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:48.140 wrong with with teaching there's nothing wrong 01:16:48.140 --> 01:16:53.140 with helping uh that age you in growing and becoming 01:16:53.140 --> 01:16:56.539 a better bull in this lifestyle so i mean i hope 01:16:56.539 --> 01:17:00.539 i didn't throw it in there you know kind of different 01:17:00.539 --> 01:17:07.340 but hell i mean that's me i love that you clarified 01:17:08.390 --> 01:17:11.510 You still identify as a lone wolf, but you have 01:17:11.510 --> 01:17:16.590 learned over time the value of what the pack 01:17:16.590 --> 01:17:20.930 can provide. Yes. So, you know, it doesn't mean 01:17:20.930 --> 01:17:23.489 you don't still have your own style, but you 01:17:23.489 --> 01:17:26.050 have learned the value of the brotherhood. And 01:17:26.050 --> 01:17:28.649 obviously, I mean, you guys have this podcast. 01:17:29.210 --> 01:17:33.289 You are clearly reaching out to people that you 01:17:33.289 --> 01:17:36.859 are maybe never going to meet, but helping. That's 01:17:36.859 --> 01:17:38.359 a really good way to look at it. You don't have 01:17:38.359 --> 01:17:40.979 to give up being a lone wolf to do what you're 01:17:40.979 --> 01:17:45.539 doing. Oh, no. Oh, no. And the beauty of this, 01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:50.779 just this brotherhood between ourselves and Michael 01:17:50.779 --> 01:17:55.539 C., Dimitri, Mocha, is that we all bring something 01:17:55.539 --> 01:17:59.479 different to the table. And when you put the 01:17:59.479 --> 01:18:02.579 whole equation together, I mean, that's just, 01:18:02.680 --> 01:18:06.000 that's a beautiful thing. it's not only beautiful 01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:08.359 but i'm like god damn that's a weapon you know 01:18:08.359 --> 01:18:11.779 what i mean it really is a weapon um and here 01:18:11.779 --> 01:18:14.460 again all of this knowledge needs to be told 01:18:14.460 --> 01:18:17.739 it needs to be told and god forbid when we do 01:18:17.739 --> 01:18:21.140 start having these events ladies and gentlemen 01:18:21.140 --> 01:18:25.279 this is going to be wild it's going to be it's 01:18:25.279 --> 01:18:29.750 going to be not only a play a play event But 01:18:29.750 --> 01:18:31.689 we are going to be teaching. We are going to 01:18:31.689 --> 01:18:33.630 be mentoring. And we are going to be passing 01:18:33.630 --> 01:18:35.729 down this knowledge, you know, not only to the 01:18:35.729 --> 01:18:39.409 bulls out there, but for the couples also. And 01:18:39.409 --> 01:18:44.149 this journey is just ongoing, man. I love it. 01:18:44.270 --> 01:18:48.229 I love where we're going. Well, thank you, gentlemen, 01:18:48.329 --> 01:18:51.250 both for allowing me to take a few steps on that 01:18:51.250 --> 01:18:53.850 journey with you tonight. This was amazing. I 01:18:53.850 --> 01:18:55.909 got to learn a lot about you guys. I didn't know. 01:18:56.340 --> 01:18:59.079 Um, I'm sure the audience is going to learn a 01:18:59.079 --> 01:19:01.539 lot too, but also I feel like this was a really 01:19:01.539 --> 01:19:04.600 valuable episode. Um, I don't know, man, this, 01:19:04.659 --> 01:19:07.199 this might be, if you have an episode one, this 01:19:07.199 --> 01:19:10.079 might be episode zero. This might be the prequel 01:19:10.079 --> 01:19:15.260 where people get to know you and then you launch 01:19:15.260 --> 01:19:17.500 into one. I don't know, but this was a really 01:19:17.500 --> 01:19:20.859 great way to get to know you and for the audience 01:19:20.859 --> 01:19:23.539 just to understand like, oh, so this is who was 01:19:23.539 --> 01:19:26.699 giving me advice. um and you guys are uniquely 01:19:26.699 --> 01:19:29.680 qualified to do it i feel like everyone from 01:19:29.680 --> 01:19:33.060 the mentee to the mentor um and everything in 01:19:33.060 --> 01:19:35.699 between as well as the female perspective with 01:19:35.699 --> 01:19:39.220 siren you guys have a really unique dynamic that 01:19:39.220 --> 01:19:41.979 can reach out to so many people man and i'm a 01:19:41.979 --> 01:19:44.699 i'm a nerd too socrates man i think about how 01:19:44.699 --> 01:19:47.779 these these radio waves and all the stuff that 01:19:47.779 --> 01:19:50.100 we send out it just goes out forever into space 01:19:50.100 --> 01:19:52.199 you know what i mean right so you don't know 01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:54.300 man it could be a hundred thousand years from 01:19:54.300 --> 01:19:57.920 now some bull on planet zebulon five you're gonna 01:19:57.920 --> 01:19:59.939 be listening to this one oh that's what i need 01:19:59.939 --> 01:20:06.020 to do oh okay so yeah i just love that you guys 01:20:06.020 --> 01:20:08.539 you guys are putting this out in the world and 01:20:08.539 --> 01:20:11.119 you don't know where the good that you're doing 01:20:11.119 --> 01:20:14.420 is going but it's it's definitely putting out 01:20:14.420 --> 01:20:17.060 positive energy so appreciate being a part of 01:20:17.060 --> 01:20:20.279 it gentlemen brother thank you so much man for 01:20:20.279 --> 01:20:23.039 taking your time tonight to come here and uh 01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:26.060 and be that special host i tell you although 01:20:26.060 --> 01:20:28.939 you and i have not shaken hands yet and actually 01:20:28.939 --> 01:20:31.859 met i feel like we've known each other for years 01:20:31.859 --> 01:20:34.739 i really do exactly i really do i feel like we 01:20:34.739 --> 01:20:36.699 have known i feel like we have known each other 01:20:36.699 --> 01:20:38.600 for years and here again that's just what i'm 01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:42.319 talking about man the the core the core of this 01:20:42.319 --> 01:20:45.779 brotherhood we are truly brothers we are brothers 01:20:46.359 --> 01:20:48.739 And like I said, I cannot wait to damn chop it 01:20:48.739 --> 01:20:51.100 up with your ass in person. I know I am going 01:20:51.100 --> 01:20:55.220 to trip. You, Socrates, Michael C. Man, shit, 01:20:55.359 --> 01:20:56.779 I'm going to sit in the corner and just be like, 01:20:56.859 --> 01:21:02.100 okay, roll it. I'm telling you. I'm telling you 01:21:02.100 --> 01:21:04.920 again. Again, brother, thank you for your time, 01:21:05.020 --> 01:21:07.819 man. Nephew, you got anything to say before we 01:21:07.819 --> 01:21:10.380 call it a night? Yeah, I just want to thank you 01:21:10.380 --> 01:21:13.020 again, Pagan. You know, we knew you were going 01:21:13.020 --> 01:21:17.880 to. you know, throw some curve balls and we really 01:21:17.880 --> 01:21:21.119 appreciate it. I love it. I love it. Yeah. I 01:21:21.119 --> 01:21:25.680 love it. And yeah, I just want to say thank you. 01:21:25.720 --> 01:21:27.720 You did an amazing job. We really appreciate 01:21:27.720 --> 01:21:29.840 it. And yeah, we're just looking forward to the 01:21:29.840 --> 01:21:34.439 future, man, and everything. And yeah, thank 01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:37.800 you. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate the opportunity, 01:21:37.899 --> 01:21:40.890 gentlemen. And with that, I will let you guys 01:21:40.890 --> 01:21:43.350 sign off on your podcast. I'm handing you the 01:21:43.350 --> 01:21:46.310 reins back. It's yours again. Take it away. All 01:21:46.310 --> 01:21:48.850 right, brother. Again, man, thank you for everything, 01:21:49.029 --> 01:21:51.810 okay? And to the listeners out there, we hope 01:21:51.810 --> 01:21:55.029 you have enjoyed another informative podcast 01:21:55.029 --> 01:21:58.630 from the Bull Brotherhood. And again, thank you 01:21:58.630 --> 01:22:01.250 to our brother, Pagan, for being a special co 01:22:01.250 --> 01:22:03.779 -host tonight. and bringing just that knowledge, 01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:05.420 just dropping that knowledge to everybody tonight. 01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:09.939 And as I sign off, this is Sigma Male, Lee Morgan, 01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:12.819 along with my boy, the nephew himself, Socrates. 01:22:13.300 --> 01:22:16.859 And to all the Bulls brotherhood out there, good 01:22:16.859 --> 01:22:21.720 night. And to all of my loving hot wives, good 01:22:21.720 --> 01:22:25.699 morning. Until we meet again, talk again. Good 01:22:25.699 --> 01:22:25.960 night.