I contacted some people who know you guys and
love you guys. And I asked them, okay, tell me
more about why you love this person. Why you
think this guy is not only a human being that
you admire, but as a bull, what are the qualities
that you see in them? And I thought this might
be good because what I'm going to be talking
about is your strengths. and asking you why you
feel your strengths, how they apply to the lifestyle,
and why they have helped you be successful. Okay.
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ready to step into your masculine edge and embrace
a lifestyle that demands mastery, welcome to
the Brotherhood. Welcome to the Bull Brotherhood
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not just curious. You're ready to elevate. So
to all the bulls, hot wives, stags, and open
-minded explorers, we see you. Let's go. Ladies
and gentlemen, good evening and welcome to another
informative episode of the Bull Brotherhood podcast.
This is the one and only Brian Morgan, a .k .a.
The Sigma Male, coming at you, along with my
nephew and partner in crime, the one and only
Socrates. What's up, brother? What's up, punk?
All right, all right. uh ladies and gentlemen
tonight we are actually going to give the beautiful
and sexy siren the night off the reason being
because we have the sapiosexual one from california
again with us our brother pagan p what's up what's
going on man there's no intro like a b morgan
intro man i gotta record these i gotta keep them
I do appreciate that. I do appreciate that. And
again, brother, welcome to the Bull Brotherhood
for the second time. And ladies and gentlemen,
we have a really special episode tonight because
Socrates and I, we are going to not be asking
the questions tonight. We're going to turn it
over to the extra special co -host, Pagan himself.
He's going to take the reins right now. He's
going to interview myself and Socrates. I guess
giving a little per se origin about the two of
us. So, without further ado, ladies and gentlemen,
I give you, again, from the great state of California,
our brother, bull brother, Bacon. Take it over,
baby. My people, my people, thank you for having
me back. And thank you, listeners, for tuning
in to something that I want to be clear, neither
is Socrates nor be. came to me with this idea.
I came to them with this idea. It occurred to
me, listening to these episodes, that some of
the audience might just want to know a little
bit more about their host. Clearly, these guys
are knowledgeable. Clearly, they have experience.
Clearly, they're very good at articulating those
things and helping out others. But I thought
it just might be interesting to get into, like,
who these gentlemen are, where they come from,
their origin stories as the superheroes in the
Bull Brotherhood. So I'd love to just jump right
in with you guys, if you don't mind, and just
get to know you all a little better. Sound good?
Yeah, let's do it. All four. Perfect. So I guess,
yeah, like Dee said, let's start off with, you
know, when Peter Parker got bit by the spider.
Like, tell us a little bit about your origin
stories. Maybe, Sock, you can go first. I'm just,
you know, I know some people have heard it, so
feel free to truncate it. But just to give us
a little bit of a background as if this is my
first episode, who are you in terms of where
you came from and how you got in the lifestyle?
Yeah. Yeah. So appreciate it, man. Appreciate
you doing this for us. And, you know, I'm already
excited because I know you're going to have some
awesome questions. So, yeah, I was vanilla most
of my life. But I thought differently. At a very
young age, I knew I did not have the kind of,
like, how do I want to say this? I didn't have
the same feelings about jealousy that most people
did. So, like, I would have, I was dating this
really beautiful girl, Jet Magazine model, just
beautiful from top. Top to bottom. And I had
found out, one of my boys found out that she
was cheating on me. And he was like, oh, man,
you know, you're not going to be mad. You're
not going to do something. I was like, well,
I don't know. I like pussy. And I like more than
one pussy. I would imagine she likes dick and
she might want more than one dick. So my friends
thought I was weird because I was like, hmm.
She probably could have just told me, you know.
And so that was my mentality for a long time.
But I didn't take that into, you know, married
life or anything because I got into ministry
pretty early on in life. And I wasn't even thinking
about any of that. So fast forward, I get into
a marriage with now ex. And I told her when I
first met her, I said, look, I'm really interested
in this swinging thing. I didn't know any of
the terminology. And if we're going to do this,
we're going to go in that direction. And she
said, cool. But I didn't really know what I was
doing. And I made a lot of mistakes. I was doing
a lot of research, but I didn't know how, so
half of it was porn. And I didn't know anything
about podcasts or anything like that. So long
story short, I, you know, me and her get into
the lifestyle together. You know, it's pretty
much swingers. And she wasn't really, she wasn't
really 100%. She was never forced or anything.
She loved doing it. Every now and again, she
would have twinges of like, I don't know if I'm
really supposed to be doing this or if we should
be doing as much as we are or, you know, anything
like that. So we really weren't on the same page
with lifestyle, but I loved it. And so by the
time we had divorced, I had already been, had
read a lot of books on the subject and, you know,
podcasts, getting online, you know. reading forums,
just everything I can get my hands on. And then
I read a book called Sex at Dawn, which is pretty
much like an anthropological approach to non
-monogamy. And then I was hooked. That was it.
Wow. Yeah. I do know that book, my brother. And
you are absolutely right describing it that way.
Yeah. That one goes deep and it goes way back
into the primal nature of who we are. Okay, stay
focused. B, Morgan, your origin story. What was
the moment when you went and decided that you
would be who you're going to be and who were
you before that? Well, let me tell you who I
was before that. I was a very, very skinny kid.
And when I say skinny, I was real thin. If you
take a pencil and stand it up and put my face
and head on it, that's what I looked like. Yeah,
a very, very late bloomer. The only thing that
I had going for me, I could shoot a basketball
pretty good. I really did not. I had girls in
high school, but I wasn't what I ended up becoming.
Graduated, joined the United States Army immediately.
And a few years later, at age 25, 26, I find
myself overseas in Germany. and that was when
the baptism took place i um if you know anything
about germany you know when a black man goes
over there he becomes just a movie star i really
i don't i don't know any way to know the way
to say it but i got over there and i met a beautiful
48 year old russian businesswoman and pagan when
i tell you she was fine she was not fine she
was fine she was she was all that and a bag of
chips i mean everything she checked off all the
blocks um first and foremost i have been i had
i had a just a absolute passion for older women
you know i lost my virginity to older women so
it was already in me i just loved older women
and uh this lady took me under her wing after
we got together for the first couple of times.
And as a young guy, you think that this particular
compliment that I'm about to say is really a
real compliment. And at that time, at my age,
it was. But now, at the age that I am now, I
realize, okay, that was really like the start
of something for me. And she said one day, she
said, quote unquote, she said, goddamn baby you
have no clue how to make love but you can show
fuck now for somebody 26 years old you know your
chest kind of jumps out you know what i mean
but i then realized a little bit later on after
she introduced me to the life and i won't go
into all about because it's a long long story
that's what i was like how she got me into it
but when she when she did get me into the life
and uh i started to evolve I realized, okay,
what she said was actually, in a way, it was
a wake -up call. Because I like Socrates. I thought
sex was a performance. I thought it was porn,
basically. So what I was trying to do to every
woman that I saw was basically turn into a porn
star and just fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. But
I had no idea how to really engage with a woman.
I had no clue how to listen to women. I had no
clue how to form a connection with women. This
particular lady taught me all of that. And she
taught me that through the hot wifing lifestyle.
Not only did I do a little, was I introduced
to the hot wifing lifestyle, but she also, she
was my handler for a couple of years. I actually
did a little escorting over there. So that. was
my introduction to the life of course this was
a long time ago we didn't have all of the words
you know that we have now hot wifing and what
a bbc was and what a cuckold was but that was
my initial um like i said baptism and jump into
the hot wifing lifestyle with this 48 year old
lady and then from there it went on Okay. So
you're now a mentor who at some point had a mentor
that brought you along to where you can now share
with others. That's amazing. That's the gift
that we can give when we have experience. And
this podcast is a great example of it. Okay.
So we got you two separately. How did Batman
meet Robin? How did you two meet? And on top
of that question, what happened one day where
you guys saw a need, what was that need? And
then the bull brotherhood was the answer to that.
So, yeah, I'll start because it was, um, so basically,
uh, Michael C from, uh, keys and necklace podcast,
um, threw me a bachelor party for. my um wedding
to siren so i flew out to where he's at and chilled
with them for the weekend and he invited brian
and um um i'll let brian tell the story of you
know how he knew we were going to be working
together because he tells it better but when
i met brian you know what i don't mention a lot
is what is what I pretty much, like, noticed
is immediately I noticed how fucking dope and
smooth this dude was, you know, and how he carried
himself. And he had an air about himself that
was like, I'm here, I know what I'm doing, I'm
focused, but I don't give a fuck either. And
I thought that was cool as fuck. So, so I almost
immediately said, this is the type of brother
I want to hang around. I want to rub elbows with
and, you know, see what we can, you know, do
in this lifestyle, you know? So I'll let him
tell his story about that part. Well, since you,
since you started off with the party, I'll go
ahead and take it from there. But it actually
started, though, at Splash Atlanta when we did
the podcast. You remember that? Yeah. But anyway,
though, we're at the party. That's when we first
met. Exactly. That's when we first met. But at
the party, though, P, here again, a lot of people
don't get me because of, and here again, that's
why I am a Sigma male. i really do i'm not just
saying that to say it but that is truly my that
is my aura i i um i survey the scene i'm i'm
there i let people you know see me but at the
same time i speak with a voice of silence so
we're at the party and uh michael had invited
what four four couples p something like that
yep yep and then one yeah somebody another one
came later on that yeah single lady yeah exactly
so we're all sitting there um you know everybody's
chilling and having a good time talking um here
i am i'm i'm observing i'm observing uh some
very very nice looking ladies there but there
was about one or two in particular that really
fit the characteristics that i i like and um
so i was like okay i sat there i sat there long
enough i looked at her um she looked at me and
i said to myself okay you make a note you look
one more time and i'm gonna you know do a little
something to you and she did so um i love to
give i love to give massages i love to give massages
and um so i started to give this beautiful lady
a massage and um i noticed that a few minutes
into the massage nephew comes over there and
he starts massaging also so i'm like okay you
know i like to i like how you i like how you
came over and did that you know it was very very
smooth and um we kept massaging kept massaging
and there's a certain way that i massage someone
uh it will let her know that i'm interested okay
it'll let her know i'm interested here again
speaking with the voice of silence well It ended
up we taking her into the bedroom. And, you know,
it was his bachelor party. It was his bachelor
party. And I wanted nothing more than for him
to have the best time ever. I didn't even tell
Michael that, but I'm like, I'm here for him.
That's the reason I flew in. And let's just say
he showed his ass, as we say in the state of
North Carolina. He showed his ass that night.
Okay, he had a great time. He had a great time.
And that let me know that, okay, if we would
ever pull a caper together, that I was completely
confident in his skill set. I know he was going
to be able to not only follow but to lead also.
And the other time that I knew that he was on
point with me. It was, what, two years ago or
three years ago in Atlanta, Socrates? It's been
about three now, right? Or two years ago. Atlanta
was about two years ago, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Two
years ago in Atlanta, Michael had invited me
to sit in on a podcast, and it was he along with
Mr. Mocha, Socrates, and another gentleman. I
forgot his name. That was the first time that
I had ever introduced myself to anyone, especially
as a Sigma male. And I explained, I gave a detailed
definition of what a Sigma male is in the male
hierarchy, in the male archetype. And he was,
I noticed, I was like, he's over there taking
notes. Socrates is like, hey man, I need to write
this down. There were certain things that I was
saying, and he actually wrote it down. And I
was like, okay, either he's playing right now
very well or he really is taking his shit in.
You know what I'm saying? And we talked a little
bit more later on after that. And I was like,
okay, that's somebody that I can take under my
wing. I knew that he was very, very interesting.
I knew he'd been in the lifestyle as a single
person. I had not met his wife at the time. But
I knew that he wanted more. He wanted that knowledge.
He wanted more knowledge. And here again, you
know, I'm pushing. I'm going on 60 years old,
brother. You know what I mean? There comes a
time in life where you need to pass the game
on. You need to pass the knowledge on. Yeah,
you still love to play. I do. I still love to
play. but i i am looking to pass knowledge on
the guys who can keep this ball going and going
and going and going because like i said i live
at 24 7. you know this isn't just this isn't
just a lifestyle to me man this is my life all
right really this is my life yeah and uh the
only thing that i don't have is is you know i'm
not married that's that's that's it those guys
are right but uh right but yeah that's how we
met and that's how i knew that uh when he bought
up a podcast i knew that i would be very very
comfortable doing it with them because it's true
we're like night and day but but we're very similar
also yeah well i gotta say the podcast that i
enjoy the vanilla ones and it wasn't a lifestyle
when there's two hosts i like it when the dynamic
is that you know they bounce off of each other
the way you guys do um so that's that's a good
thing your differences meld together really well
so What would you guys say then? We're at the
point when you guys get together and decide to
make a podcast. What would you say the mission
statement of the Bull Brotherhood is? Or what
need did you guys see where you were like, you
know what? There's a lot of podcasts out there,
but none of them are fulfilling this need. What
did you guys come across that made you do this?
Go ahead, nephew. Well. You know, I think the
biggest thing is I'm willing to say there is
a standard and there is a framework that I think
every single bull, no matter what race, what
dynamic you're in, if you call yourself a bull,
that there is a standard. And me and the Sigma
male here agreed on that. That's number one.
And number two, we felt like there was... we
talked about doing the podcast. Once we realized,
you know what, there are standards and there
are principles and there are frameworks that
we believe in that enhance the experience significantly.
We believe in that. Once we figured that out,
I think it took maybe Brian Morgan about a week
and a half to be like, we need a female perspective
and we need to bring Siren on. And I'm not going
to lie, in the beginning, I was skeptical. I
was like, ah, I don't know. But that was the
best thing. Because who gives a fuck about our
opinion if the women out there were like, nah,
son, that's not how it works, you know? So once
that came together, the need we're meeting is
that. We think there are principles and fundamental
things that you can believe in and things you
can do and a perspective that you can have that
will lead you forward in this lifestyle and will
get you better results. And we wanted to have
a nerd's perspective who has a shorter experience
time and a very smooth Sigma male who's got a
distinguished career. and has been in the game
for a very long time and performed at the highest
level. And right now, a damn near nymphomaniac
woman who loves black men and loves quality black
men and wants to grow in this lifestyle as well.
And once Brian Morgan pointed that out, I was
like, yeah, we have to do this. Yeah, yeah, that's
amazing. Anything to add to that, B, on what
you think the mission statement is or the need
you fulfilled? Well, I'm going to tell you, he
hit it on the head, especially when he brought
in that word quality. I had been to several Splash
Mocha events. Now, here again, we're talking
about Splash Mocha, but I don't care where you
go. I don't care what type of event it is. You
should look at yourself as one of the best things
there. one of the as my father would say one
of the baddest men that walked through the door
you know and um when i when i when a man calls
himself a bull that is what i'm looking at i'm
looking for that i'm looking for all of those
qualities that put together that will make for
a great boyfriend or bull experience you know
um here again i i talk about the the the body
game and everything. You don't have to look like
a bodybuilder or anything like that. I'm not
saying that. But take what the good Lord has
given you and turn it into the best package that
you can possibly, you know, put together. Have
your own type of style. Have your, you know,
your aura. That is, that is, that's you. Okay.
Everybody's not going to be the alpha type of
guy. But here again, that's why I wanted to do
this podcast and let people know about, hey,
you can be. a bull but be a different type of
bull you know because there are different types
um and um like i said well you know once you
know once socrates and i talked and and and we
we put together and we do have the mission statement
i wish i had it right here so i could actually
read it but um but once we got that together
i i said it may take a little while because we
aren't known known around here you know like
everybody else is but we're gonna we're gonna
put something together a little bit different
differently than the than the you know the just
a typical podcast and i think uh our first episodes
have been fire i do yeah um and i think we're
going to be we're getting better especially myself
you know because i'm not a talker i've never
damn spoken as much ever maybe you know than
i have now but i'm getting more comfortable you
know more comfortable and more comfortable with
every episode but um he hit it on the head i
mean that's that's what we're looking for you
know my mom when we say bull brotherhood we are
looking for the elite of elite of the elite gentlemen
to come here into this into this fraternity and
you might well say it because that's that's that's
how i look at it right into this frat And everybody
is on the same page. You know, if you put five
guys up against the wall and put him on another
splash event, everybody would be like, okay,
those guys are part of the brotherhood right
there. They have that aura. They have that charisma.
They have that special magnetic charm or appeal,
you know, that sets them off, sets them out from
everybody else. So that's it. Yeah. Yeah. Well
said. i mean one of the things i can tell you
as a listener um you know not just a fan of you
as bold and as men but of the product that you're
creating you know you said that you guys weren't
like really well known well you i wouldn't get
used to that because this is the kind of podcast
that is going to be shared by a variety of men
who are entering a lifestyle and one of the things
i want to make sure people understand and and
you just correct me if i'm wrong but there's
a kind of thing that is exclusionary where it's
we got this club and there's this door marked
private and there's a velvet rope outside and
we're letting people in that are um the people
we see fit because we want to create uh exclusivity
and we want to we want to put a barrier up but
then there's another version of we have a group,
we have a fraternity, and we have certain standards,
but we're trying to include people. We're trying
to educate. We're trying to help the inexperienced
guy become more experienced so that they can
enter into this group. So it's more aspirational
and you're not excluding people. And I definitely
feel like you guys are doing the latter, where
you are trying to create the next members of
the group, as opposed to... create a barrier
to people entering it um and that's what i feel
when i listen to your podcast you're you're basically
planting the seeds for the next forest of bulls
um and i think that's amazing thank you very
much you just you just summed it up thank you
yeah and so the last thing i want to do for this
section and then um Y 'all motherfuckers get
ready because I got a surprise speed round of
questions for y 'all. It's a surprise, but I'm
going to get to that after one more question
about the foundations of this podcast. What have
you guys learned? Because you're several podcasts.
Is it like maybe 14 apps so far or something
like that? Yes, sir. Today was the 14th one.
So today was the 14th one. What have you learned
since the guys who started the podcast? What
are the two gentlemen I'm talking to now know
that they have learned either being from feedback
that you've gotten from listeners or just as
B was saying, I'm getting a little more adept
at using this microphone and talking more. What
have you learned over the 14 episodes that you
might even like, you know, tell your past selves,
whisper in their ear, like, hey, look out for
this because you're going to learn this pretty
quick. I have to give credit for this one. So
to specifically answer your question, Pete, I
didn't learn anything. What I did do, or if I
did learn anything, I learned Brian Morgan is
a wise motherfucker. That's what I learned. And
the reason why I say that is we talk about splash
so much. I'm like, we got to visit some other
places. But we were just at Fort Lauderdale Splash.
And we had a lot of feedback because we recorded
a few episodes there. We had our T -shirts and,
you know, a few people previously knew about
us. And we had our first, like, I'm your biggest
fan. And he went into depth about why. And I
didn't expect that so soon. I really didn't.
And he pretty much described what Brian Morgan
explained. And he told me, he says, he keeps
saying this, we have to crawl before we walk.
Got to walk before we run. You got to run before
you leap. And so I wasn't expecting that. I was
really just like, let's just get 50 episodes
under our belt and then see. I just started marketing.
So I wasn't thinking that way. And then this
guy was sharing it. He described everything we
laid down. You have this feminine perspective,
and she's great at articulating that. She's got
a great voice. And then you got my man here.
What did he call him? He didn't call him Unc.
OG. Yeah. You know, you got OG over here, you
know, laying, you know, putting it down. Then
you over there, you always quoting facts. And
I was like, wow, that's exactly what, that's
exactly what I want people to think. Yeah. We
want you to get the 360 degree viewpoint of this
lifestyle. Right. So. I hope I was answering
that question. Um, I don't know if I, yeah, I
mean, you know, it sounds like what you've learned,
you know, people are resonating with it and you're
learning that dynamic that you guys have. Yeah.
Um, is resonating with people. So that's, that
was the way I'm designed it. That's why I give
him credit. He designed it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. P, I have. P, I
have. I have learned. I have learned. And here
again, nephew, thank you. I love you to death,
man. I really do. I have learned, and even though
I haven't spoken to a lot of the gentlemen, I
guess, that have, you know, listened to the podcast,
but I have learned and I know because I can feel.
I can feel that these other... gentlemen now
who maybe have gone to events or and and have
listened to the podcast i think they are becoming
comfortable in their own skin now maybe they're
saying hey i'm i can be maybe i am this sigma
or maybe i am this kind of guy instead of trying
to be something that i'm not you know what i'm
saying everybody can't be that alpha type of
guy everybody can't be You know what I mean?
But every guy brings something to the table,
but he has to be comfortable bringing himself
to the table. You know what I'm saying? Yeah,
you cannot sit there and try to be somebody else
because then you will fail. But if you are comfortable
in your own skin, and I do mean get comfortable,
and here again, it takes time, okay? It takes
time. but once you find out who you really are
and you perfect who you are then you'll become
successful in this lifestyle and not only in
this lifestyle but just in life period okay because
as if you as if you told you i i am this is who
i am 24 7. this is who i am i am a sigma male
24 to the definition of what a sigma male is
okay um And I don't, you know, I don't steer
away from it. You know what I mean? I've never
tried that. Like something that I'm not. And
that basically comes from who my 90 -year -old
father is. Okay. If I am an OG, as that gentleman
said, if you meet him, boy, you'd be like, okay,
that's Superfly right there. Because he taught
me well. But that's one of the things that I
have kind of. That's kind of hit me right now.
And another thing, our chemistry, Nephew's absolutely
right. The chemistry, the three of us, the three
amigos, what each one brings to the table, you
know, differently. Here again, I think it's going
to be special. It really is going to be special,
especially when we do an event. And yes, I just
threw that out there. Yeah, we are. Sometime
in the future, we're going to do. our own event.
Okay. Oh, y 'all not ready. I got it. This is
a pagan exclusive. On my interview, we are finding
out that there are going to be Bull Brotherhood
events in the future. Yes, yes, yes. That is
the goal. It is going to happen. It's going to
happen, all right? And, of course, I want you
to, whether we're out there or if it's on the
East Coast or if it's down forever, all right,
south to southwest, I want Pagan to be there,
all right? I'm packing as we record this, you
know what I'm saying? I'm halfway in my luggage
right now. Put it on your calendar, brother.
Put it on your calendar. That sounds great. All
right, so we've gotten through. Can I jump in
real quick and just put a cherry on top of that
one? And you mentioned this too, Pagan, about
the brotherhood. We haven't spoke a lot about
that because this is Michael C's idea. And Michael
C gave us license to use the name and to move
forward. But for those that don't know, if you
don't listen to the Keys and Inklings podcast,
we are looking for other men. To join us in this.
If you listen to these podcasts and you identify
with the values that we're speaking of, please
approach us. If you see us at Splash or any other
events or, you know, contact, you know, email
us, Instagram, whatever, because we are looking
for bulls and other gentlemen in this lifestyle
that want to approach it the way we do. Because,
yeah, our events are going to be different. You
know, we're not saying better. We're just saying
different. Yeah. You know, we'll say better after
a few years of proving it, you know, maybe. But
right now, just say different. Right. So, yeah,
you know, contact us. We are looking for that,
you know. Gotcha. Gotcha. So you hear that gentleman
out there, the bull signal is up in the sky.
Hit these guys up. And it's about including you,
not excluding you. um absolutely creating us
building each other up okay we've got the foundation
that's you guys backstory history how you met
how you came to the podcast the need that you're
trying to fulfill and everything that you've
gleaned so far all right now i'm going to surprise
these guys audience they do not know this is
coming um they're very nervous right now They're
shaking. They don't know what I'm about to throw
at them. They genuinely don't know. This is real
right now. Right. Exactly. Lies. I contacted
some people who know you guys and love you guys.
And I asked them, okay, tell me more about why
you love this person. Why you think this guy
is not only. a human being that you admire, but
as a bull, what are the qualities that you see
in them? And I thought this might be good because
what I'm going to be talking about is your strengths
and asking you why you feel your strengths, how
they apply to the lifestyle and why they have
helped you be successful. Okay. Does that sound
like a fun game? Okay. So, you know, you guys
are going to be covered in flowers by the end
of this. I'm sure you can. All right, let's go.
So Socrates, one of your friends described you
as a sponge. He's probably the spongiest motherfucker
I know. It was a direct quote. And that means
that you are a person who has a thirst for knowledge,
for self -improvement. And they also mentioned
you strive for excellence. So they are circling
the idea that anybody who knows you well knows.
You're an educator, but you're also comfortable
being the student. So can you tell us why does
that aspect of your personality help you as a
bull? And what can other bulls maybe get out
of being more like that and what it could do
for them? Oh, yeah. Brother, I'm impressed. That
was pretty tight. Okay. Why does it help me?
Oh, my goodness. Here's the thing. Like we said,
as far as our mission, there are universal principles.
There are frameworks. There are like the anatomy
of a woman's body. There are things that are
consistent, that are replicable, that you can
start with. That won't tell you everything about
that individual or the group you're a part of.
But there are things you can learn that are fundamental.
I would rather learn those and then with that
knowledge go through the trial and error because
you can't escape trial and error. But I'd rather
come in, like I tell a lot of people, I listen
to a lot of Michael C's podcasts. Well, he cleared
up a lot of things of do's and don'ts for me.
When I started, you know, before I got married
to Siren, I was just a single bull. And so I
took a lot of those lessons and just applied
it and saw that it worked. So, yeah, I really
do think people should do some kind of research.
And we did an episode on that. There's different
kinds of research. You can be someone who gets
in the books like me. You can be somebody who
just needs experience or you can be somebody
who just wants to watch whatever it is. I think
you should add a little bit more research and
talk to some people that are doing it the way
you want to do it. You know, like when I met
you. I was like, I like a lot of things about
Pagan, but what really stands out is how he peacocks.
It's dope that you don't even realize he's peacocking,
but I know he's peacocking. And so I went to
you, right? I just went straight to you and said,
hey man, I want to learn this. You know, I think
it's dope. And it has, it lended a very good,
how do I put it? It opened my mind to a thought
process that I'm, I'm almost done like totally
revamping my style in a way that fits me authentically
based on what I learned about the things you
taught me. So, yeah, I say, you know, take the
time and learn. Yeah, yeah, that is such great
advice. And one of the things I will say about
you, and it almost speaks to the dynamic between
you and me. Um, cause B you have the other end
of the spectrum of this. There's the thing about
being, um, an eternal student. And that means
you never become so arrogant as to think you've
learned everything. You could master something,
but mastery doesn't mean I'm done. And now I
just atrophy, you know, we gotta be like that
shark that keeps moving forward, keep consuming,
keep eating and keep learning. So that balance
of knowing and being confident, oh, no, I've
mastered this particular thing. I put in my $10
,000 plus. And the mattresses are there, you
know, destroyed to prove it. The idea that I'm
never going to learn everything. I can always
grow. That's really, you guys are basically like
living examples of that spectrum. Okay. So B,
you ready for some, watch out, some flowers coming
your way. Uh -oh, uh -oh, uh -oh. Do I want to
hear this? There was many, I think you do. There
were many people who brought up very similar
things. And you put it really a good way earlier
about being, you know, having the voice of silence,
quiet, confidence. And one of the things, or
actually, Four things that I want to start off
with you. Several people talked about this is
a man that keeps his word. His word is bond.
And then these three D's came up. Diligent, disciplined,
and detailed. So can you speak about being a
man of his word and how Sumbles... either because
they should or by some other you know misunderstandings
they have a reputation for not being that way
how they can avoid that and being a man of your
word how does that help you as a bull but also
this idea of being diligent disciplined and detailed
how do those aspects of your personality help
you be successful i'm gonna start with the with
the last three with the discipline the detail
and the diligence uh that all comes from um A,
the two, although they were not in the military,
but the two Sergeant Major parents that I have
who are still living, they taught me that if
you're going to do something, you do it right.
And if you're going to tell somebody that you're
going to do something, then also keep your word.
And your word, P, is that's everything. That
makes who you are. to me um one of the things
that i always do um with couples or you know
a single woman if if i tell you i'm going to
be someplace they always know that i'm going
to see them at three o 'clock they always compliment
me they're like do you ever get here like at
301 302 or anything like that i said no i if
i tell you three then usually that means i'm
already in the ao uh at like 255, you know, your
word is everything. And, um, I stick to it and
that's just not in the lifestyle, but that's
in life period. Um, these podcasts that we do,
that means hell I'm ready at 645. You know what
I'm saying? That's, that's, that's letting you
know, that's letting you know that there's no
other priority at that time, but you, you see
what I'm saying? Tonight, there was no other
priority but Pagan and Socrates and this podcast
at 7 o 'clock. So when I'm dealing with couples
and the lifestyle and everything, I let them
know that I'm there for you. You pleased me when
you got in contact with me. So now it's all about
you. So when I meet you, I'll let you know that
I'm here for you. I'm one hell of a damn listener,
okay? So when we do the first initial talk, communication
and talk to each other, I'm taking everything
in. I'm taking everything in that you say. And
now it's up to me now to go back and take what
you said and put it together in a little nice
format. And that's how I'm gonna treat you every
time. To me, like what you're also saying is
the diligence. the um discipline being detailed
is what allows you to keep your word because
you got your shit together yeah you're not being
half -assed you're not oh man i forgot oh is
that oh it's tonight tonight with that couple
and then it causes people to not keep their word
because they're not doing those three things
that you do so it sounds like great advice a
man a bull whatever you want to call yourself
but i break it down to a man a man is good as
his word that's it yeah that is it well this
is uh this is really sage advice all right um
this one is going to go out to kind of both of
y 'all just on two different um ends socrates
this is under the the whole subheading of uh
confidence and one of the things about you socrates
is one of our uh brothers was telling me like
what i admire about socrates is he's he's pulling
these things in as we talked about before but
like you can tell he's paying attention and he's
absorbing it i mean b talked about you were taking
notes notes like for real you know um and one
of the things i wanted to talk about was like
when it comes to like self -confidence you have
been transparent about that wasn't always your
strong suit right And then for B, one of the
main things people talk about is his self -confidence
and how he's unapologetic and, like, transparent.
Like, his authenticity is off the charts. I don't
know if a lot of folks know this, but, you know,
B Morgan is not like a Tom Cruise. This is government.
Like, this is life. is out there and his people,
his family is aware. This is how honestly B is
living. So that takes an extreme amount of self
-confidence. So I just wanted to talk to both
of you. Maybe you could go first, Socrates, about
how like that journey of learning and then how
much self -confidence you have now, which exudes
from the podcast and from people who meet you.
How did that help you? So there's a lot of bulls
out there that have that issue and are trying
to take the path you took. And then also, I just
wanted to ask B after that, when it comes to
self -confidence, how did you get there to this
place that you're at? We're almost like the Zen
master of self -confidence that people talk about.
You know, but maybe Socrates, you can go first
about your journey with that and how it could
help another bull. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know.
Like, I think we were, I don't know if we were
on the podcast together. I think it was O -Faces
when I talked about it first. And I think Dimitri's
on there and everything. But, yeah, I would say
this. I was 80 % there before several, I met
several people. And it's three people, 100%,
that got me there. And then Unk kind of sealed
it for me. You know, I grew up, you know, we
talked about my upbringing and how crazy I grew
up. And I grew up really confused, very multicultural,
moved around a lot, a lot of different experiences,
a lot of different family backgrounds and dynamics.
So I really grew up thinking, well, I need to
be all black, but I'm not. I'm also a little
bit Puerto Rican. I speak Spanish. I love the
language. All right. I love black history and
I need to be like Malcolm X. But, you know, I
really like white folks and, you know, white
folks are cool. And, you know, so I grew up really
confused, just all over the place. And but I
also grew up improving myself and working on
myself and getting better at almost everything
I do. So I got to a point where when I say I
was about 80 % there, I got to the point where
I was like, I got some skills. It's not like
I'm ugly. It's not like I don't have anything
to offer. But I knew that 20 % was the thing
that was missing that allowed me to be confident.
So I was insecure because I was like, well, I'm
80 % there, but for whatever reason, it's not
translating with people around me. Fast forward,
what happened is I met three important people,
and then including Unk, Brian Morgan, sealing
it. My wife, Michael C., and Mr. Mocha. And first
my wife taught me one thing. It was the people
I was surrounding myself with. I would not post
on Facebook because I didn't want to deal with
maybe 20 % of people hating on me or hating on
the idea. Just not even, and I definitely didn't
want to talk to anybody about it. So she taught
me it's really all about the people on your page
and the people you surround yourself with, you
know? And so, you know, that was one. And then
she taught me about my self -talk. Siren is really
big into manifestation and... positive mental
attitude and perspective and I have learned a
lot about that but I realized I had a lot of
negative self -talk in my head saying I'm not
going to be successful or people don't appreciate
this or it's not going to happen so that really
laid down a good foundation and then I don't
know if I've told this story yet but Michael
C me and Michael C started talking and I think
this is when I first started producing for a
show for a while And he was talking about confidence.
And he said, he tells a story of him looking
at confidence as a suit that you put on or a
personality that you add to yourself. And looking
at it as if, you know, it's a third party. And
saying to yourself one thing, what would confident
LeBron do in this moment? And that little small
paradigm shift totally jumped, like, like changed
the game for me because I would ask myself, what
would LeBron do? And half the time I'm like,
no, that was some stupid, that's some stupid
shit. Don't do that. You know? And then I wouldn't
do anything or I'd do some stupid shit. So I
couldn't ask myself that, but then what would
confident LeBron do? That gave my nerdish brain.
like almost like a connection to a file. And
I can go into my brain for all the things that
I've, books I've read and things I've studied
and YouTube channels and whatever I've done on
what cool people do and how I could do it for
myself authentically. And so it kind of gave
me like this database of things that I could,
oh, cool LeBron would say this and cool, you
know, and confident LeBron would say do that.
Confident LeBron would just go up to her and,
you know, say this and say, you know. So that
changed the game. And then last, it was a personal
conversation that me and Mr. Mocha were having.
And I was talking about the diversity of who
I am. I speak Spanish. I like to speak proper
English. But I'm also born in the country. You
know, I've been around every kind of race. You
know, I grew up on a farm sometimes and a hood
the next and around very educated. you know,
career -focused black folks and ministry to gangsters
and, you know, thugs and pimps. So I grew up
confused about all of it. Like, who am I? And
Mr. Mocha damn near yelled at me and was like,
dude, I wish I had all them damn skills. You
don't need to freaking pick on you all of it,
nickel. You know, he was going off on me. you
know, in love, but he was, he was, I'm tired
of this shit. And he would say, you know, I've
been on the end of one of them. Right. Oh yeah.
That's a good impression. You just did. Yeah.
And so he was like, man, he started off with,
do you know? Cause you know, I think it was the
Atlanta splash. I was. I got in trouble because
I was trying to holler at some of the employees.
I didn't realize I wasn't supposed to do that.
But they were Latinas. And so I was hollering
in Spanish. And he was like, man, do you know
what I would do if I just had that one? So he
helped me realize, like, it's all me. If I show
up in some cowboy boots and cowboy hat, that's
me. Like, straight up. If I show up in some chucks
and some khaki suits and a red hat and a red
bandana, that's me. You know? You know, last
splash, I was a nerd, you know, for one of the,
that's me. And that's who I am. Fuck the rest
if you don't like it, you know? And that's, and
then Brian Morgan explained to me what a real
Sigma male is, and then he read off something.
I don't know if he wrote it or found it somewhere,
but he talked about the kind of Sigma male that
I am, which is somebody who holds very complicated,
almost sometimes, contradictory ideas in his
head at one time and can process it. Like, I
don't, you know how Tesla can imagine things
in his head digitally? Like, I mean, you know,
in a physical way, three -dimensionally? I can
do that with concepts. I can't do that with objects.
But I can hold several long process of concepts
in my head. And he explained that that is a version
of Signal Now. And I was like, oh, that's it.
So that gave it a container. That gave it a framework
to put all the other stuff in that Siren and
Michael C. and Mr. Mocha taught me. And that
sealed it. It was done. Okay. Okay. That brings
us to B. Yeah. In terms of getting it where you
are with your self -confidence, which, you know,
as you say, you live this life 24 -7. Many people...
wish they could do that many people um you know
are obviously afraid of that um but in terms
of that or just having self -confidence in general
as a bull um which we all know we're all attracted
to people who have it um how did you get there
and what advice could you give like a young bull
um First of all, here again, be who you are.
Be yourself. And that takes time to find out
who you really are, okay? My journey started,
of course, and here again, I'm bringing up the
OG of all OGs to me, and that's my dad. My father
says, son, look at yourself in the mirror. And
every day when you wake up, And you visualize,
you see what you look like. He said, you'd be
extra proud of that person. He said, it doesn't
matter if you're a skinny guy. Because here again,
I had problems with being skinny. And I did not
develop until I joined the military. So he told
me, he said. Just be very, very confident in
who you are 24 -7. He said, when you walk into
a room, don't walk into the room. Become the
room. Take the room. And I always kept that in
the back of my mind. Now, when I joined the military,
I met some sergeants major, about two or three
guys, one in the gym who took me under his wing.
And that was where I started developing a physique.
And when I did that, that changed my whole mindset,
Pagan. It really did. I was able to, here again,
like my dad said, I wouldn't walk into the club.
I took the club. I would do what he said, walk
around about two or three times and let them
see the package. And then come back and you sit
down in the corner and you just sit there. Don't
get up anymore. Don't get up. He said, you be
just like a particular secret agent, and I won't
say the three numbers and stuff, but we all know
who it is. Okay, double O, and I'll stop it there.
But he said, you be just like that guy sitting
over there in the corner, and you give them something
to think about. And they're going to look at
you, and they're going to be like, okay, who
is this guy? You know, who is this guy? And it
went from there. I kind of recreated Brian Morgan.
And I always said to myself, when I got into
the lifestyle and I started, you know, going
on SDC and SLS and all that stuff, AFF, and I
would see, you know, the usernames and dah, dah,
dah, and all that. I was like, okay, my name
is Brian Morgan. What the hell's wrong with that?
You know, this is who I am. So I was like. I'm
sticking to that. And yes, I looked up the archetypes
of the Sigma male, and I was like, okay, that's
what I am too. I'm a bull, but I am a Sigma first
and foremost. So here again, I stuck with who
I am instead of trying to go to events or trying
to be somebody that I'm not. And what I would
tell the young guys that are coming into this
life right now is to sit back. If you attend
an event or whatever, small event, whatever,
sit back and just look at some of the guys who
are there. Observe, observe, see how they work.
If that is something that you think you might
be able to, you know, emulate. Okay, cool. But
I would suggest though, you, you, Find out, like
I said, find out what works for you. Find out
what works for you. If you are a talker, if you
are a talker, by all means, conversate, all right?
If you're not a talker like myself and you know
you have an aura about you, sit there. Let's
see who comes to you. If you have a little bit
of both, branch out. Let's see how you work.
But don't be afraid to fail. That's another thing
about confidence also. Don't be afraid to fail.
And when you fail, fail big. Because when you
come back with the right equation, that's going
to make you a dangerous motherfucker. And that's
what happened to me. I had to fail a couple of
times in order to get the equation right. But
when I got it right, and now it has evolved over
the years, that's who the Sigma male is now.
whoever you talk to and they were like yeah he's
confident and he's this and he's that uh thank
you tell them thank you because they kind of
hit it right on the head that's why i gotta i
gotta break it to you that's that's everybody
that's how everybody describes you um okay the
the great thing about what i got from both of
you guys that is a thread that i heard throughout
is that you can create your own reality Confidence
is not a bus that you're waiting on and you're
sitting at a bus stop and it's going to stop
by. It's something that you make. You, you know,
Socrates, you talked about like that moment with
Michael C when he was just like, it's like a
suit you put on. Right. B, you talked about a
time when your body transformed. and your mind
followed that transformation yes yes there's
things that you guys actualized and did you guys
remind me of uh there's an amazing um speaker
amy cuddy she's uh does a great ted talk you
can check out but she did an experiment where
just by putting your hands on your hips or sitting
in a chair with your legs like spread open in
a power pose these poses trick your body into
thinking you're in charge, even when you might
be nervous and not in charge. And so if you put
your hands on your hips for two minutes, she
found out your cortisol drops. That's the fear
hormone. It drops like 20%. Your testosterone
shoots up and you have more confidence. So you
can literally like fake it till you make it into
something that people say, oh, that's bullshit.
No, that's how it works. You make it happen by
just acting like it. And that's what you guys
do, which is really interesting. But I don't
have time for, I think, one more question maybe.
Yeah. So I'm going to try to make it a good one.
Socrates, one of the things people said about
you is, and this definitely sounds like the guy
we talked about earlier, who is always self -improving
and striving for knowledge. You're just a listener.
You're not like a talker. You talk when you have
listened already. How does that help a bull across
the board from dealing with other bulls to dealing
with couples, women? How do you think that's
helped you? Well, first, let me give my wife
credit for getting me there because she really
helped me develop that skill. And like Unk said,
thank whoever said that. I really appreciate
that. I want to go back to some old school wisdom
and people have dropped this, especially in the,
I'm big in the manosphere or red pill community
or, you know, the Andrew Tate thing. Not that
I like Andrew. I don't really like Andrew Tate,
but I'm big in that community. I learned a lot,
especially with a guy called Orion Terriban.
I really like the way his perspective is. But
so when John Gray described men are from Mars,
women are from Venus, his fundamental principle
is that. We communicate in a different way. And
men have, you know, men and women throughout
the years have gone through a transformation,
especially when it comes to the workforce. And
back in the day, we were like hunters. And what
does a hunter do when he's hunting? He's quiet.
He's low. He doesn't make a lot of noise. You
don't want to scare or frighten or chase away
the thing you're hunting. So he would say, we're
not hunters anymore. We're in an office space.
We work from home. We're on a computer. He says,
but you could do that with your wife or your
girlfriend. And he says, get low. Be quiet. Listen
more. And what happens is that all quiet people
will tell you one statement. If you shut up and
listen, that person will tell you everything
you want to know. And it's so true. So true.
And so in the lifestyle, it's the same thing.
Listen, almost every woman you're playing with
has a way they want you to approach her. And
if you listen, she'll tell you straight out or
give you a lot of clues. She'll tell you. what
she values and what she doesn't value. She'll
mention things like, well, those people over
there are doing that, and I'm not judging, but,
you know, she'll give you hints on what she likes
and what she doesn't like. So that's a recent
skill that I've learned that has really paid
off recently because when I'm focused and I'm
listening to what she's saying, it helps a bull
so many ways because she wants... you to succeed
right you're the one with the hard dick you're
the one that has to perform not that it's a thing
where you know you have to make her happy or
you're at her beck and call or anything like
that but men perform right and so you're both
enjoying each other but she wants you to succeed
she wants you to know what you're doing now some
of them want you to ask questions and guess or
just do what you do and and figure it out but
when you're listening to her she's giving you
clues, especially in a lifestyle setting. If
you're at a lifestyle party or cruise or wherever,
you know what you're there for. We know what
we're there for. I mean, you know, half the people
at a vanilla club know what they're there for,
you know? But, so, listen, because when you,
another old school book I recommend, it's a vanilla
book, it's called Seven Habits of Highly Effective
People. And, One of the habits, I think the second
habit was seek first. No, the sixth habit. Seek
first to understand, then to be understood. And
another thing that Siren always says, be interested,
not interesting. So if you can sit back and be
interested in what she about and, you know, remember
what her dress was when you met her and mention
it later. Understand what really got her there.
I like to hear origin stories. What got you to
sexual freedom? You know, those kind of things.
What were some of the barriers that get you here
mentally and physically, financially or anything?
You know, what's the story of how you got to
be so liberate? All those kind of things gives
you clues on who she is and how you can approach
her. And when you do that, it just, it makes
it. I don't know if I should use this word, but
it makes it more efficient. And I don't mean
efficient like heartless or cold. I mean, you're
going to get to the things that she wants you
to get to, that you want to, which is a good
time, which is to see if you vibe. Because a
lot of times if you listen, you realize pretty
soon or really early on in the conversation,
we don't vibe. Like you cool and everything,
but we don't vibe. We're going to be talking
about in a future episode about different clicks
and why I think clicks are good sometimes and
certain kind of vibes and certain kind of groups.
So when you listen, you can tell, okay, is she
feeling me or is she not? Am I vibing? Is she
vibing? You know, what are her values are? Where
is she coming from? That information, even if
it's just subconsciously being registered, it
all helps, man. And it all helps you doing, enjoying,
having a good time and reducing friction. you
know can i add on to that i know it's not my
question but can i just say something no go ahead
i mean if you hit it out of the park i mean he
absolutely hit it out of the park but i also
have to say that when you are as a bull when
you are in tune with that couple via listening
like that and you are not only listening but
you giving them that eye contact and you will
find out very very quickly that they, not just
her, that they are into you. They've already
given their signal to each other that, okay,
we definitely want to see this guy again because
he's not just here just to bed you down tonight.
He's actually getting to know us as a couple.
He's putting us first and foremost. He's making
us feel like we are the only couple on the face
of the earth right now. And I am loving this
shit. All right. Her body language. If she, if
you guys started sitting, um, say a little bit
kind of sort of distance away from each other,
but at the end of the conversation, she's done
moved over. Oh, almost, you know, where you are
and God forbid, if she throws a little, the little
forearm touch or the little touch on the knee
or something like that. Oh brother, you're in
there. You're in there. Okay. And that is what
couples. are looking for, in my opinion, when
I say bulls provide the bull boyfriend experience.
That's what they're looking for. That's great.
So, B, last one for you. A lot of the people
who admired you were talking about how, like,
you have made a journey that they admire because
you used to be a lone wolf. And now you have
taken this path where you are one of the leaders
in brotherhood, in creating a community, in having
a standard. So can you talk a little bit about
that? Like for the lone wolves out there listening
who might want to be that, and that's perfectly
fine, nothing wrong with it, but there's others
who might want to have more brotherhood. Can
you? talk about your journey and maybe help those
guys out? First and foremost, I'm still a lone
wolf. I'm still a lone wolf, but I've opened
up the gate a little bit. I've opened up the
gate a lot. At my age now, like I said before,
I want to bring other guys in. I want to teach.
I want to mentor. I want other... Whether you're
younger or you're older, I want other guys to
come in and embrace who they really are in this
lifestyle. If you are a Sigma, if you're Alpha,
doesn't matter, right? Come in and be you. Come
in and be you. So what I've done is, as I said
before, normally I'm not a huge conversationalist.
I'm not a talker. I have gone through 30 years.
of this, of being in this lifestyle, of being
the CEO and president of MeFi Me fraternity.
Okay. I did not have anybody that I ran with
until now. And to have let a group of brothers
like you guys come into my life, I realized that
I needed it. I really did need it because I am
seeing how... I'm seeing how there are different
prototypes out there, such as yourself, Pagan,
with all of your knowledge and intellect, as
well as Nephew with the listening skills that
he has, but also, as he calls himself, he's nerdy
with it. I don't think he's nerdy. I just think
he is unique. Michael C., Mr. Mocha, Dimitri,
everybody brings something different to this
brotherhood. So if I'm telling a young buck out
there how to navigate in this lifestyle, if he
may be a lone wolf, if you're a young dude, it
is fine right now, here again, to find yourself
if you're in your 20s or 30s. as you get older
um and you begin to set certain standards about
yourself and you see that they're working and
not only that they're working other people are
gravitating to you other guys are gravitating
wanting to talk to you and find out what you're
all about and you'll have questions such and
such let them in don't shut them out like i did
um i was guilty of that you know up until now
um but let me teach teach teach there's nothing
wrong with with teaching there's nothing wrong
with helping uh that age you in growing and becoming
a better bull in this lifestyle so i mean i hope
i didn't throw it in there you know kind of different
but hell i mean that's me i love that you clarified
You still identify as a lone wolf, but you have
learned over time the value of what the pack
can provide. Yes. So, you know, it doesn't mean
you don't still have your own style, but you
have learned the value of the brotherhood. And
obviously, I mean, you guys have this podcast.
You are clearly reaching out to people that you
are maybe never going to meet, but helping. That's
a really good way to look at it. You don't have
to give up being a lone wolf to do what you're
doing. Oh, no. Oh, no. And the beauty of this,
just this brotherhood between ourselves and Michael
C., Dimitri, Mocha, is that we all bring something
different to the table. And when you put the
whole equation together, I mean, that's just,
that's a beautiful thing. it's not only beautiful
but i'm like god damn that's a weapon you know
what i mean it really is a weapon um and here
again all of this knowledge needs to be told
it needs to be told and god forbid when we do
start having these events ladies and gentlemen
this is going to be wild it's going to be it's
going to be not only a play a play event But
we are going to be teaching. We are going to
be mentoring. And we are going to be passing
down this knowledge, you know, not only to the
bulls out there, but for the couples also. And
this journey is just ongoing, man. I love it.
I love where we're going. Well, thank you, gentlemen,
both for allowing me to take a few steps on that
journey with you tonight. This was amazing. I
got to learn a lot about you guys. I didn't know.
Um, I'm sure the audience is going to learn a
lot too, but also I feel like this was a really
valuable episode. Um, I don't know, man, this,
this might be, if you have an episode one, this
might be episode zero. This might be the prequel
where people get to know you and then you launch
into one. I don't know, but this was a really
great way to get to know you and for the audience
just to understand like, oh, so this is who was
giving me advice. um and you guys are uniquely
qualified to do it i feel like everyone from
the mentee to the mentor um and everything in
between as well as the female perspective with
siren you guys have a really unique dynamic that
can reach out to so many people man and i'm a
i'm a nerd too socrates man i think about how
these these radio waves and all the stuff that
we send out it just goes out forever into space
you know what i mean right so you don't know
man it could be a hundred thousand years from
now some bull on planet zebulon five you're gonna
be listening to this one oh that's what i need
to do oh okay so yeah i just love that you guys
you guys are putting this out in the world and
you don't know where the good that you're doing
is going but it's it's definitely putting out
positive energy so appreciate being a part of
it gentlemen brother thank you so much man for
taking your time tonight to come here and uh
and be that special host i tell you although
you and i have not shaken hands yet and actually
met i feel like we've known each other for years
i really do exactly i really do i feel like we
have known i feel like we have known each other
for years and here again that's just what i'm
talking about man the the core the core of this
brotherhood we are truly brothers we are brothers
And like I said, I cannot wait to damn chop it
up with your ass in person. I know I am going
to trip. You, Socrates, Michael C. Man, shit,
I'm going to sit in the corner and just be like,
okay, roll it. I'm telling you. I'm telling you
again. Again, brother, thank you for your time,
man. Nephew, you got anything to say before we
call it a night? Yeah, I just want to thank you
again, Pagan. You know, we knew you were going
to. you know, throw some curve balls and we really
appreciate it. I love it. I love it. Yeah. I
love it. And yeah, I just want to say thank you.
You did an amazing job. We really appreciate
it. And yeah, we're just looking forward to the
future, man, and everything. And yeah, thank
you. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate the opportunity,
gentlemen. And with that, I will let you guys
sign off on your podcast. I'm handing you the
reins back. It's yours again. Take it away. All
right, brother. Again, man, thank you for everything,
okay? And to the listeners out there, we hope
you have enjoyed another informative podcast
from the Bull Brotherhood. And again, thank you
to our brother, Pagan, for being a special co
-host tonight. and bringing just that knowledge,
just dropping that knowledge to everybody tonight.
And as I sign off, this is Sigma Male, Lee Morgan,
along with my boy, the nephew himself, Socrates.
And to all the Bulls brotherhood out there, good
night. And to all of my loving hot wives, good
morning. Until we meet again, talk again. Good
night.