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When I'm doing a negotiation with somebody I

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don't know, and it's in this setting as opposed

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to like a kink setting, it's very different.

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Because if I'm in like a BDSM dungeon, we're

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definitely probably pre -negotiating for up to

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weeks, depending on the type of play we're doing.

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And in a BDSM dungeon, play does not necessarily

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mean sexual contact. Like penetration doesn't

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typically happen in those types of settings.

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And so here it's a little different because I

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don't know the person that's coming. It's considered

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pickup play. They'll see maybe me working on

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somebody or they'll see Craig working on somebody.

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And they'll come up and they'll be like, can

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you do that to me? And I'll be like, I can do

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something like that to you. We can try. You know,

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and I'll come and I'll set them up. And right

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before we get on there, I'll ask them, hey, do

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you have any medical conditions that I need to

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be made aware of? taking blood thinners because

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i don't want them to wake up the next morning

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and they've got bruises everywhere with my handprints

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on them some people like that some people don't

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um are you okay if we leave marks on your body

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maybe because bruising won't happen are you okay

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if i put my hands on you if i lay my body on

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you can i put my hand around your neck can i

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put my hand in your hair um and then sometimes

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what i'll do a lot of people will be i'll be

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like what are your limits Let me go get some

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scissors. We better have a good time. I'll be

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like, you know what? When they give me that type

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of response, I'm like... This podcast contains

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If you're not comfortable with frank talk about

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ready to step into your masculine edge and embrace

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a lifestyle that demands mastery, welcome to

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Podcast, where we talk power, pleasure, and the

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art of dominance in ethical non -monogamy. This

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is not your average lifestyle podcast. This is

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for men who lead, men who master, and men who

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leave a lasting impression. If you're here, you're

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not just curious. You're ready to elevate. So

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to all the bulls, hot wives, stags, and open

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-minded explorers, we see you. Let's go. What's

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good? What's good, y 'all? This is Socrates from

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the Bull Brotherhood Podcast. I'm kind of rolling

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solo this time, y 'all. So, Siren is... off doing

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her thing. We are at Splash Mocha Fort Lauderdale

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2025, y 'all. And I'm really excited today. We

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got Brian Morgan is off, y 'all. He's chilling

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in home base and the wifey is off probably flirting

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with some dude at the pool right now. But we

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got a really special, exciting episode for you

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guys today. We got some awesome people from the

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dungeon here in Splash, and they're going to

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talk about, you know, what they do in the dungeon

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and how it works. And first we're going to start

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off with Mr. East Coast himself. What's going

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on, brother? Not much, man. How you doing? Real

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good, real good. I just, I remember the first

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time I saw your ass, I was like. Who is this

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nigga right here? Yeah, that happens a lot. People

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say that a lot in their first impression of me.

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Yeah. Then we got Barbell Vixen. What's going

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on, girl? Not much. How are you? Not much, man.

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Y 'all have heard her before, so you know what

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you can get with that. I'm excited. I'm excited.

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And then the lovely Eve. What's going on? Gallivanting

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here at Splash Mocha. Yeah. So, you know, I'm

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usually the interviewer. I'm the one that asks

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a million questions. But this time, you know,

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I'm more than solo. And we're just going to have,

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you know, the crew here kind of explain how it

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goes down at Splash Mocha when it comes to the

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dungeon. Because, you know, kink is a little

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different than what we normally do in Splash.

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And, you know, it's a different world. and we're

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going to have them kind of talk about it. So,

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you know, I don't know how you want to get it

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going, brother, but, you know, tell them, like,

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what the dungeon is all about and what can they

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experience when they come in. All right, so first

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of all, I want to say I became, I run the dungeon

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here at Splash. This was originally set up by

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Glim, who is... Serge Rez. I want to give a shout

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out to him. Unfortunately, he passed away several

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years ago. This is all still set up in his honor

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and his memory. You see there's a sign outside

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with him standing on it. Again, unfortunately,

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he passed away several years ago. I don't consider

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this... This is kind of like dungeon light to

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me. If you come to Splash and you're... Looking

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for a real dungeon experience. That's not what

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this is. I do a lot of flogging. You'll see people

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come in and do some flogging of their own. At

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a couple parties, you've seen someone doing some

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shibari, some rope tying and stuff. I do have

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a violet wand, and I'll use that. But it's more

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of dungeon light for several reasons. But yeah,

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it's not a dungeon like people would consider

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it to be. in the street if they were to pay to

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go to a dungeon. It's a little bit different.

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I just feel like you're introducing this to the

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community. This is a lifestyle party. It's not

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a kink party. A lot of stuff you may see in a

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real dungeon, you're not going to see here for

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several reasons. As I say during a lot of my

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seminars, I don't want to scare somebody off

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to the craft. I do lighter stuff that are going

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to help people get over their fear of pain and

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different things rather than reinforce their

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fear that it's going to be painful. Thankfully,

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I've been able to turn a lot of people on to

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flogging and different parts of being at the

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kink side of things. Every time I'm here and

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I talk to people about their experience, one

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or two people talk and say, man, I had a great

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time in the dungeon. They talk about the experience

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with one of you guys. what do you guys like the

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most about it barbell like what is the thing

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that you get most excited about when you're in

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here and you're knowing okay it's going to be

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friday night saturday night it's going to be

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popping and you're going to have a new always

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have someone new in there what is the thing that

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excites you the most about it i think really

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just them coming in And, you know, they all want

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to congregate in front of the door. I have to

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try to bring them on in. Like, you can come in,

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walk through, see what's going on. And to see

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them come in and watch. And they might turn around

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and leave within a few minutes. But then to be

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able to see them come back again. So they'll

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come back and they might cycle through a couple

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of times. You know, and sometimes it takes them

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a couple of times to come in before they actually

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are ready to try it. You know, so it's. I like

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seeing them come in and out and kind of learn

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a little bit as each time they've come in. Yeah,

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yeah. Just like when you first come to the door,

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there's usually like a crowd at the door peeking,

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right? I don't want to step in there too much.

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They might hit me or something. They might be.

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Exactly. No, come on. Yeah, yeah. So I think

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when it comes to... The kink dynamic, there's

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a power exchange, right? Yes, yes. So talk to

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me about that power exchange and, like, how you

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guys kind of fit in that. So, again, I run the

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dungeon here. I don't consider myself a dungeon

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master, and partly because of what I explained

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earlier. There's a lot more that goes into being

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a master than the things that I do. My craft

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and my specialty is the flogging. But as far

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as the power stuff, you have the different types.

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There's the top, there's the bottom, and then

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there's the person who does both, and they're

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a switch. And that's... what we represent up

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here at the top, the bottom, and the switch.

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In that order. In that order. So you being a

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top or a dominant, right? Right. What does that

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entail? For people who are just really gotten

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getting into this, what does that mean? What's

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the difference between a top and a bottom? We

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got into a little bit of this yesterday in the

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class. The top is the one that's mostly administering.

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And the bottom is the one that's receiving. I

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was going to say submissive, but, I mean, it

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doesn't mean you're submissive because you're

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on the receiving end of it because there are

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some tops who will be on the receiving end. Like

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Tim was over here yesterday, and he actually

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said there's certain things. Like he likes fire

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play. He likes needle play. So he is a top. In

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those forms, he can't do it on himself, obviously,

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so he has to bottom out for someone. Gotcha.

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But I like what he said yesterday. He said instead

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of giving and receiving, he will ask people,

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do you want to do what is being done, or do you

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want to have what's being done to you? And so

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that's how he kind of explained it in our class

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yesterday. And as a bottom, From your perspective,

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what does that mean to you, especially in contrast

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to being a top or a switch? So I have no desire

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to administer anything, to be the one doing any

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of the actions. I am always the bottom, so I'm

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always the one receiving, whether it's... the

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shabari was being tied or the flogging or with

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the violet wand. I'm always the one that's receiving.

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It's always being done to me. And that's where,

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that's where my enjoyment comes from. What do

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you look for in a top? Like if a guy, from what

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I hear in the King community, there's a lot of,

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um, not just guys, right? You could be a top,

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could be a female, could be male, could be, right?

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So a lot of tops say, oh, yeah, I'm a master

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at this, or I'm a top, or I'm a dominant. And

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I hear a lot of subs say, nah, he don't know

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what he's doing. So what are you looking for

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in a top that, whether it be male or female,

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that you're looking for something that says he's

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going to be a good experience? To be knowledgeable,

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to be able to explain to me what they are going

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to do, to be able to ask me what I would like

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for them to do, because that tells me that they

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at least know what they're doing. And so then

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in talking with them, you know, be able to get

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that sense of. Like I said, knowledge, but then

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the safety and the security within that. There's

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still a certain level of trust. So, like, obviously

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my level of trust with him is much greater than

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with anybody else. But Eve has vlogged me. So

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there is that sense of trust with her that I

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knew that I was good with her. Yeah. So I practice

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shibari. I've been practicing that for about

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three years now. And I agree with you. If somebody's

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not asking a boy, do you have any joints that

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we have to look at, right? Where are the places

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that are sensitive? Do you have any? Some people,

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if I'm going to put you in a contortionist position,

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you have back problems. You have aches and pains

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here, right? Flexibility issues. Flexibility

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issues, right. If they're not asking those things,

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I know at least you don't have. I wouldn't call

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myself a master or like an expert at it yet,

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especially in the suspension. side of it, but

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I know if you're not asking those important questions,

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then you have a lot more to learn. Now, the switch.

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That is the thing that fascinates me the most,

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man. Because to me, it's a mode. As a dominant

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person in general, I own businesses. I'm the

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head of my household. I like to run things. I

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like to direct things. I'm in that mode all the

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time. And I'm not at the stage where I kind of

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need to get away from that just yet. So it's

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weird to me to switch that mode. How do you do

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it? It's definitely a power dynamic type of thing.

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I don't submit to somebody I have no respect

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for. There's a respect factor. There's a trust

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factor. I don't bottom for very many people.

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And everybody here could probably attest to that.

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If anything, it shocks people when I do bottom.

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because I just don't do it. But that shows a

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level of respect that I have for the person that's

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topping me or that is my dominant or whatever

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the case is. I didn't come into the lifestyle

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as a switch. I came in like re, where I was just

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like, nah, I don't want to do anything. I want

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to sit here, I want to look pretty, and you're

00:14:41.389 --> 00:14:45.470
going to do stuff to me. But I am dominant in

00:14:45.470 --> 00:14:48.730
my everyday life and everything that I do. And

00:14:48.730 --> 00:14:52.580
so eventually I... In my effort to want to help

00:14:52.580 --> 00:14:55.539
my dominant in this type of space, I was like,

00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:57.500
oh, well, you know, I could hit some people with

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some stuff. And then I liked it. My partner now,

00:15:04.340 --> 00:15:06.320
every time he introduces me, he says, this is

00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:14.000
evil. And I'm like, no, no, Eve. I'm real nice,

00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:18.879
I swear. I don't know. She's got a look on her

00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:21.080
face at some point that would make you think

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otherwise, honestly. People have to come and

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find out. But I eventually evolved. I had the

00:15:28.980 --> 00:15:31.379
evolution. Not everybody has that, and that's

00:15:31.379 --> 00:15:36.179
okay. But I evolved in that space here at Splash

00:15:36.179 --> 00:15:39.820
Mocha where I learned, man, I really like manipulating

00:15:39.820 --> 00:15:42.759
people's bodies and making them be like, ooh,

00:15:42.940 --> 00:15:46.039
I kind of like that. And they didn't even know

00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:48.840
they would like that. And so that's what I get

00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:53.200
off on. Now that's what I get off on. We do a

00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:56.179
little pre -negotiation because I don't know

00:15:56.179 --> 00:15:58.519
a lot of the people that I'm out here slapping

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up or playing with my hands or pulling hair on

00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.879
the bench. I don't know most of them. So I like

00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:08.720
to talk to them a little bit. Hey, do you have

00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:10.559
any medical conditions I need to be aware of?

00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:14.289
Are we on blood thinners, contusions? Do you

00:16:14.289 --> 00:16:16.169
have any fractured ribs? That's kind of important

00:16:16.169 --> 00:16:20.470
to know. Oh, you have stitches? Oh, wow. Because

00:16:20.470 --> 00:16:24.049
sometimes what I do, you know, is sexual in nature.

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There's no penetration or anything like that.

00:16:26.289 --> 00:16:30.190
But I'm touching you in a real sensual way. And

00:16:30.190 --> 00:16:32.250
that might pull on some skin. And if you've got

00:16:32.250 --> 00:16:35.629
stitches, girl, we can't play like that. Because

00:16:35.629 --> 00:16:38.590
I don't want you bleeding. But, yeah, for me,

00:16:38.610 --> 00:16:40.590
it was an evolution. And it's a respect factor

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if somebody's going to top me or be a dominant

00:16:43.149 --> 00:16:46.190
for me. What are you looking for in that area?

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Especially now you're pointing out respect. What

00:16:48.169 --> 00:16:50.429
are you looking for that you can respect in a

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talk? Somebody has their shit together. I move

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real slow when I look at partners. And I really

00:17:00.950 --> 00:17:03.629
watch for a while because I want to see how people

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move. Because you can watch somebody from the

00:17:06.710 --> 00:17:08.630
corner of the room and be like, I don't know

00:17:08.630 --> 00:17:12.319
how I felt about that. and some people will turn

00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:13.759
me off. They didn't even know they turned me

00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:17.660
off. But I just, I like to, I move slow, especially

00:17:17.660 --> 00:17:19.400
when it's me that's on the bottom. I'll move

00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:23.380
real slow. And then if it's like a bottom, you

00:17:23.380 --> 00:17:25.019
know, I just kind of have to pay attention to

00:17:25.019 --> 00:17:26.859
their body at that point. Body language is so

00:17:26.859 --> 00:17:29.279
important. Your body tells on you before your

00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:34.140
mouth ever will. Facts. Very true. So we have

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some people in the audience here. Anybody want

00:17:37.380 --> 00:17:39.019
to ask any questions? That's what they're here

00:17:39.019 --> 00:17:42.329
for, to kind of... educate you on how this part

00:17:42.329 --> 00:17:44.630
of the lifestyle works and, you know, what we

00:17:44.630 --> 00:17:47.230
do here and any kind of questions that people

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might have when they're, you know, getting into

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it. It's ironic that Tim walked in because we

00:17:52.190 --> 00:17:54.529
had just finished talking about you. Were your

00:17:54.529 --> 00:17:56.369
ears burning? Yeah, we just finished talking

00:17:56.369 --> 00:18:00.990
about you. No? Okay. Now, I got a question for

00:18:00.990 --> 00:18:06.009
Eve. Is there a time where you have topped and

00:18:06.009 --> 00:18:08.349
bottomed in the same night in the same dungeon?

00:18:08.650 --> 00:18:12.150
Yeah. Are you talking about like at the same

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time? Not at the same time, but like, you know,

00:18:14.990 --> 00:18:17.170
you'll top somebody and then you'll switch and

00:18:17.170 --> 00:18:21.309
be the bottom that same night. Last night. Yeah,

00:18:21.430 --> 00:18:23.730
I was in here last night. My partner was in here.

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He beat me over there on that bench. My legs

00:18:27.029 --> 00:18:28.329
are too short for that, so now we know that.

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And then right after, I had some people that

00:18:33.250 --> 00:18:35.269
know me came up and were like, can you do something

00:18:35.269 --> 00:18:37.849
like that to me? And I was like, hell yeah. And

00:18:37.849 --> 00:18:40.910
I was high. I was like, this is great. Like being

00:18:40.910 --> 00:18:44.490
beaten or being the bottom gives you this high

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that they call subspace. And that's where I was

00:18:47.769 --> 00:18:50.849
last night. I was in that subspace. I kind of

00:18:50.849 --> 00:18:52.410
came down from it a little bit. And then I was

00:18:52.410 --> 00:18:56.109
like, oh, I'm ready. I've got energy. And my

00:18:56.109 --> 00:18:58.630
style is very sensual. So I use a lot of my body.

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I use a lot of my hands. I don't use very many

00:19:00.769 --> 00:19:05.329
implements. I grab hair, I might put a hand around

00:19:05.329 --> 00:19:07.309
your neck, but we negotiate all of that too.

00:19:07.430 --> 00:19:09.470
I make sure, hey, are you okay if I put my hands

00:19:09.470 --> 00:19:11.769
on you? Are you okay if I put my hand around

00:19:11.769 --> 00:19:13.150
your neck because I don't want to trigger anything,

00:19:13.329 --> 00:19:16.150
right? Are you okay if I pull your hair? Those

00:19:16.150 --> 00:19:18.130
can be triggers for some people. For me, it's

00:19:18.130 --> 00:19:22.349
fun. Don't get me wrong. But for some people,

00:19:22.369 --> 00:19:24.900
those can be triggers. So, yes, I have definitely

00:19:24.900 --> 00:19:28.140
done that on multiple occasions. It's great when,

00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:30.539
I love it when Eve is in here because you get

00:19:30.539 --> 00:19:33.680
to see a contrasting style. I am, like she said,

00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:37.720
she's a lot more hands -on, and I use a lot more

00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:41.660
implements. I do a lot with my floggers. I will

00:19:41.660 --> 00:19:45.160
do some touching and stuff like that, but there

00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:48.880
is a huge contrast in the two. Yeah, our styles

00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:51.200
are definitely different, but great. That's the

00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:55.099
beautiful part. And there's also, you know, there's

00:19:55.099 --> 00:19:57.480
some men that come in that want to be a bottom,

00:19:57.579 --> 00:20:00.359
and they may have an issue being a bottom for

00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:03.720
another man. So we, you know, especially if he's

00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:05.539
here, we're like, if that's really what you want,

00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:07.660
like, when she comes back, she'll be back, like,

00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:08.940
you know, and they're a little more comfortable

00:20:08.940 --> 00:20:12.440
being a bottom as a male, you know, for her.

00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:14.779
Yeah, I have two men lined up for tonight, actually.

00:20:15.019 --> 00:20:17.680
Yeah, I love it. It's great when she's in here.

00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:21.549
It really is good. Tim, you got to say something,

00:20:21.569 --> 00:20:23.269
man? I just have a question to ask if there are

00:20:23.269 --> 00:20:26.049
any questions. I would say that currently it

00:20:26.049 --> 00:20:30.109
sounds like each one of you are in your position

00:20:30.109 --> 00:20:34.190
that feels right, top, bottom, whichever. Are

00:20:34.190 --> 00:20:37.230
there any times where you guys reevaluate your

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position and say, you know, is this best for

00:20:40.130 --> 00:20:44.000
me? Or how do you stay open to life? growing

00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:46.960
and evolving into something else, like just being

00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:49.519
open for the possibilities. You know, man, it's

00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:53.339
like Eve said. I've always been a naturally type

00:20:53.339 --> 00:20:55.920
of dominant personality. You know what I mean?

00:20:55.940 --> 00:20:58.380
I've always been, like in college, I was voted

00:20:58.380 --> 00:21:03.079
captain. You know, I've always been, like at

00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:05.799
work, I say, hey, let's do this. You know, I'm

00:21:05.799 --> 00:21:08.140
kind of out in the front leading everything.

00:21:08.460 --> 00:21:11.589
You know, so I'm not really. as interested in

00:21:11.589 --> 00:21:14.809
becoming a bottom or a switch. I like that lead

00:21:14.809 --> 00:21:17.809
role. Just like she said, she likes that submissive

00:21:17.809 --> 00:21:20.930
side. I like that dominant part of it. It's just

00:21:20.930 --> 00:21:25.549
in my nature to be a dominant, leading type of

00:21:25.549 --> 00:21:27.990
person. So I really don't have an interest to

00:21:27.990 --> 00:21:31.509
be a bottom. And for me, in my everyday life,

00:21:31.690 --> 00:21:35.240
I am like Eve. I am. Alpha. I am in charge of

00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:37.640
everything. I've raised my children by them by

00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:40.279
myself for most of their lives. And and I make

00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:43.920
all the decisions. And, you know, so I'm I'm

00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:46.599
dominant in every other aspect of my life. So

00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:50.640
when it comes to the relationship side, the lifestyle,

00:21:50.980 --> 00:21:53.619
the kink side, I'm just a bottom. That's just

00:21:53.619 --> 00:21:56.700
all I am. And and so for for Eve, when she said,

00:21:56.700 --> 00:21:58.480
you know, she gets pleasure of being able to

00:21:58.480 --> 00:22:01.299
manipulate somebody's body and make it do something

00:22:01.299 --> 00:22:04.369
they didn't know they might even like. For me,

00:22:04.369 --> 00:22:06.769
just to be in here and watch that happen. So

00:22:06.769 --> 00:22:09.490
that's where I get off, is being able to watch

00:22:09.490 --> 00:22:12.769
either one of them make that happen for somebody

00:22:12.769 --> 00:22:15.450
else's body. There's a lot of people that are

00:22:15.450 --> 00:22:18.230
like that, too. They're in charge. When I first

00:22:18.230 --> 00:22:21.490
started getting into kink and the first time

00:22:21.490 --> 00:22:24.210
I picked up floggers, I remember there was a

00:22:24.210 --> 00:22:28.190
girl who she wanted me to be dominant. And again,

00:22:28.269 --> 00:22:30.390
I was just... coming into and learning all of

00:22:30.390 --> 00:22:32.390
this. And I didn't understand it at all. And

00:22:32.390 --> 00:22:34.410
she said basically the same thing. She said,

00:22:34.430 --> 00:22:38.089
I am the boss at work. I am a single mother.

00:22:38.230 --> 00:22:43.250
I run everything. So when I get into the ethical

00:22:43.250 --> 00:22:46.250
non -monogamous part of it, I want to be completely

00:22:46.250 --> 00:22:48.890
dominated. And there's a lot of people, I mean,

00:22:48.950 --> 00:22:52.009
my cuckolding group, there's a lot of people

00:22:52.009 --> 00:22:53.990
that are like that in there, you know, that is

00:22:53.990 --> 00:22:57.099
their release for that, you know, to be. the

00:22:57.099 --> 00:23:00.339
submissive side, away from everything else in

00:23:00.339 --> 00:23:05.099
their life. I love that part because the cucks

00:23:05.099 --> 00:23:09.539
that I first got involved with were very high,

00:23:09.700 --> 00:23:14.039
either high security clearance or very high up

00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:20.140
in corporate America or military. And these are...

00:23:20.430 --> 00:23:23.069
On the outside world, you would call them alphas,

00:23:23.190 --> 00:23:26.670
right? These are domineering men who have not

00:23:26.670 --> 00:23:30.849
only a personality presence, like not only you

00:23:30.849 --> 00:23:33.009
know when they walk into the room, their personality

00:23:33.009 --> 00:23:36.170
shines the same as you, but their physical presence

00:23:36.170 --> 00:23:40.269
is there. But seeing them in the room and, you

00:23:40.269 --> 00:23:44.579
know. caged or tied up you know and and their

00:23:44.579 --> 00:23:48.079
significant other is just barking orders and

00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:52.500
and it it's amazing to me so uh you you you've

00:23:52.500 --> 00:23:57.359
talked about uh negotiations so um tell me either

00:23:57.359 --> 00:23:59.279
one anybody who wants to jump in on this one

00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:02.420
tell me how you what you're looking for in that

00:24:02.420 --> 00:24:05.200
negotiations are you just i know you're looking

00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:07.380
for like okay you know what are your aches and

00:24:07.380 --> 00:24:09.900
pains what are your do's and don'ts but are you

00:24:10.639 --> 00:24:12.579
going beyond that are you looking for anything

00:24:12.579 --> 00:24:14.700
beyond that or you just want to know hey what

00:24:14.700 --> 00:24:16.220
are the things that you want me to do and not

00:24:16.220 --> 00:24:18.359
do and then i'm going to work with that um when

00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:20.619
i'm doing a negotiation with somebody i don't

00:24:20.619 --> 00:24:23.259
know and it's in this setting as opposed to like

00:24:23.259 --> 00:24:26.759
a kink setting it's very different because if

00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:30.460
i'm in like a bdsm dungeon we're definitely probably

00:24:30.460 --> 00:24:34.839
pre -negotiating for up to weeks depending on

00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:38.160
the type of play we're doing And in a BDSM dungeon,

00:24:38.460 --> 00:24:40.539
play does not necessarily mean sexual contact.

00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:43.200
Like penetration doesn't typically happen in

00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:46.859
those types of settings. And so here it's a little

00:24:46.859 --> 00:24:49.039
different because I don't know the person that's

00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:52.599
coming. It's considered pickup play. They'll

00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:54.839
see maybe me working on somebody or they'll see

00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:57.420
Craig working on somebody. And they'll come up

00:24:57.420 --> 00:25:00.259
and they'll be like, can you do that to me? And

00:25:00.259 --> 00:25:01.720
I'll be like, I could do something like that

00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:04.970
to you. We could try. And I'll come and I'll

00:25:04.970 --> 00:25:06.609
set them up, and right before we get on there,

00:25:06.670 --> 00:25:08.609
I'll ask them, hey, do you have any medical conditions

00:25:08.609 --> 00:25:11.549
that I need to be aware of? Do you take any blood

00:25:11.549 --> 00:25:13.650
thinners? Because I don't want them to wake up

00:25:13.650 --> 00:25:15.170
the next morning and they've got bruises everywhere

00:25:15.170 --> 00:25:17.849
with my handprints on them. Some people like

00:25:17.849 --> 00:25:21.230
that, some people don't. Are you okay if we leave

00:25:21.230 --> 00:25:23.869
marks on your body? Maybe because bruising will

00:25:23.869 --> 00:25:27.130
happen. Are you okay if I put my hands on you,

00:25:27.210 --> 00:25:29.750
if I lay my body on you? Can I put my hand around

00:25:29.750 --> 00:25:32.870
your neck? Can I put my hand in your hair? And

00:25:32.870 --> 00:25:34.930
then sometimes what I'll do, a lot of people

00:25:34.930 --> 00:25:36.269
will be, I'll be like, what are your limits?

00:25:36.890 --> 00:25:38.410
And they'll be like, oh, no, you can do anything.

00:25:38.650 --> 00:25:41.269
I'll be like, girl, let me go get some scissors.

00:25:42.430 --> 00:25:45.089
We better have a good time. I'll be like, you

00:25:45.089 --> 00:25:47.230
know what? When they give me that type of response,

00:25:47.410 --> 00:25:51.589
I'm like, what do you not want me to do? Because

00:25:51.589 --> 00:25:54.730
that's a good indicator. Is there anywhere you

00:25:54.730 --> 00:25:57.150
don't want me touching? And most of the time

00:25:57.150 --> 00:26:00.150
I don't touch genitals at all. I don't touch,

00:26:00.150 --> 00:26:03.619
you know. Female genitalia, depending on the

00:26:03.619 --> 00:26:05.299
person, and if I know them well enough, I might

00:26:05.299 --> 00:26:10.019
touch their breasts. But we got people in here

00:26:10.019 --> 00:26:12.380
that come out squirting, and I haven't touched

00:26:12.380 --> 00:26:16.819
their genitals, and that is the high. Ooh, that

00:26:16.819 --> 00:26:18.839
feeling is real good. But that's typically what

00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:23.319
my negotiation will look like. Nice. See, I passed

00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:26.099
it to Eve, and one thing I say, and they can

00:26:26.099 --> 00:26:29.119
attest I said it yesterday, is that in this setting,

00:26:29.180 --> 00:26:32.059
I'm only in here from 10 to 2. You know, and

00:26:32.059 --> 00:26:34.359
there's a lot of people that come through here.

00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:36.539
You know, a lot of people there. I mean, there's

00:26:36.539 --> 00:26:38.960
days where I think in Houston, somebody said

00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:41.960
there was like 70 people up in there. And I don't

00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:45.279
get a chance to go through a full negotiation

00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:48.019
and a full scene with somebody. You know, if

00:26:48.019 --> 00:26:49.880
I do that, then there's a lot of people that

00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:51.640
are not going to come back in the dungeon because

00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:53.619
they never had an opportunity to do something.

00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:56.759
So it's like I waited in line for two hours for

00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:00.069
you. So I tell people it's a shorter journey.

00:27:00.230 --> 00:27:02.890
So a lot of times, and because I'm not as physical

00:27:02.890 --> 00:27:06.509
with things as she is, it's, okay, I'm going

00:27:06.509 --> 00:27:08.849
to do this. Are you okay? Have you been flogged

00:27:08.849 --> 00:27:11.950
before? No? Okay, well, relax. I'm good at reading

00:27:11.950 --> 00:27:15.269
your body language. Speak up if I do something

00:27:15.269 --> 00:27:18.130
that you're not happy with. I can usually tell

00:27:18.130 --> 00:27:20.730
from your body language, but if there is something

00:27:20.730 --> 00:27:23.890
that you did not like or something that triggers

00:27:23.890 --> 00:27:26.640
you, yeah, say. I didn't like that. Turn around

00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.200
and let me know so I know not to do that again

00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:32.960
or to tone it down some. But it's a journey,

00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:36.059
man. I take people from here and I have to bring

00:27:36.059 --> 00:27:38.160
them up here really quickly because I don't have

00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:40.559
the time. And then I don't have the time for

00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:43.579
aftercare the way that I want to or should be

00:27:43.579 --> 00:27:46.079
doing because I bring them up so fast, I bring

00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:49.559
them back down kind of, I wouldn't say as quick.

00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:52.299
You know, because you still have to be conscious

00:27:52.299 --> 00:27:55.220
of a lot of things. But it's a quicker journey.

00:27:55.299 --> 00:27:59.039
So because of the environment in here, I have

00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:02.579
to be different. So I'm not allowed to have those

00:28:02.579 --> 00:28:06.240
negotiations like they have. Now, if you come

00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:08.579
in here, you will see Eve and you'll see Tim.

00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:11.000
Tim comes in a lot. And you'll see them sit on

00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:13.819
the floor for 20, 30 minutes before they work

00:28:13.819 --> 00:28:17.059
on somebody. I just don't have the time to do

00:28:17.059 --> 00:28:18.920
that. While I'm sitting there talking, there's

00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:20.779
people in the dungeon just sitting around looking.

00:28:20.980 --> 00:28:23.200
And now they lose interest in how they lead.

00:28:23.500 --> 00:28:26.019
So I have to keep things kind of moving in here.

00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:31.480
Nice. I like that. Barbell, as far as negotiations

00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:35.619
from a subs perspective or a bottoms perspective,

00:28:36.140 --> 00:28:38.440
what are you looking for? What do you want to

00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:43.279
hear your top ask you or how they approach you

00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:45.680
or how they... Do the whole negotiations part.

00:28:45.859 --> 00:28:48.480
I think my favorite thing is what Eve just said

00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.539
a second ago. What do you not want me to do?

00:28:51.619 --> 00:28:56.759
Because as a sub, as a true bottom, I can answer

00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:59.380
that a whole lot easier than I can answer what

00:28:59.380 --> 00:29:03.500
I want you to do to me. Because, I mean, I'll

00:29:03.500 --> 00:29:07.460
try anything once, you know, and maybe again.

00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.920
And it's just, maybe it takes twice just to make

00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.180
sure. Maybe the first person didn't do it right.

00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:19.759
And so because of that, I know there are certain

00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:22.680
things that are, that's a no. So I can easily

00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:27.140
answer what I don't want you to do to me. But

00:29:27.140 --> 00:29:29.720
I can also, if there are certain things that

00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:32.680
I've, again, I'll kind of try anything. So if

00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:35.740
there's something that a top wants to do to me

00:29:35.740 --> 00:29:39.819
that I don't, I've never had done. tell me what

00:29:39.819 --> 00:29:42.359
you're wanting to do with me. You know, and describe

00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:44.799
that to me. And let me make a choice. Do I want

00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:47.440
to try that or do I not want to try that? So,

00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:50.619
again, that goes back to that knowledge. You

00:29:50.619 --> 00:29:52.019
know, like Eve said, somebody that's got their

00:29:52.019 --> 00:29:54.779
shit together. Like, you know, I need you to

00:29:54.779 --> 00:29:58.259
be. asking me what my triggers are, you know,

00:29:58.259 --> 00:30:00.240
and what I'm OK with and what I'm not OK with.

00:30:00.700 --> 00:30:03.359
Those things are easier to answer than what do

00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:06.319
you want me to do? You know, so again, more what

00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:08.039
do you not want me to do? That's those are some

00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:09.799
hard answers that you can just boop, boop, boop.

00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:11.859
We check those off, you know, move on through

00:30:11.859 --> 00:30:16.259
that negotiation. Nice. I don't know if you want

00:30:16.259 --> 00:30:18.720
to answer this as well, but Eve, will you go

00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:21.630
through? the different implements that you are

00:30:21.630 --> 00:30:24.029
going to use on them. Like when I walk in and

00:30:24.029 --> 00:30:26.650
I show somebody they may not have been in here

00:30:26.650 --> 00:30:29.150
before, I say, hey, here's my floggers. Here's

00:30:29.150 --> 00:30:32.730
what I use. This is made of this. Do you like

00:30:32.730 --> 00:30:34.769
this? But this is probably what I'm going to

00:30:34.769 --> 00:30:39.589
use. I don't. I like that sensory deprivation

00:30:39.589 --> 00:30:43.950
piece where it's an adventure. We're going on

00:30:43.950 --> 00:30:46.589
an adventure. It's a trust thing, too. Oh, yeah.

00:30:46.950 --> 00:30:49.309
Yeah, because, and I'll tell them, I'll be like,

00:30:50.350 --> 00:30:52.990
I'm not here to cause you pain. I'm here to cause

00:30:52.990 --> 00:30:56.430
you 100 % pleasure. Some of that might be through

00:30:56.430 --> 00:30:59.769
a little bit of pain. Now, if I'm going to work

00:30:59.769 --> 00:31:02.009
with somebody that's maybe like a heavy masochist

00:31:02.009 --> 00:31:05.190
that they want to be beaten, I'll show them certain

00:31:05.190 --> 00:31:07.230
implements. Because if I'm going to hit you that

00:31:07.230 --> 00:31:09.170
hard with it and that's what you want and you

00:31:09.170 --> 00:31:11.549
get pleasure out of that, yeah, I'm probably

00:31:11.549 --> 00:31:13.049
going to show you the heavy ones that are over

00:31:13.049 --> 00:31:14.490
there and tell you this is one of the things

00:31:14.490 --> 00:31:19.099
I'm going to work on using on you. So in this

00:31:19.099 --> 00:31:21.019
particular setting, no, I'm not showing them.

00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:23.160
I usually just use three little things. A nice

00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:27.440
soft flogger that's back there, a soft paddle

00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:29.380
that's back there with a real cold handle that's

00:31:29.380 --> 00:31:32.900
real nice when your ass is on fire. Yes. And

00:31:32.900 --> 00:31:35.359
then one other thing I might find that might

00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:37.700
be interesting on somebody. But other than that,

00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:39.259
I don't really use very many other implements

00:31:39.259 --> 00:31:44.359
but my hands and my body. Yeah, definitely for

00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:48.579
me, each... occurrence is going to be different.

00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:52.400
I'm going to, it depends on the bottom and what

00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:54.160
is happening at that time and that day and that

00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:57.880
specific thing for the bottom. If I feel that

00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:02.460
the, there's a lot of anxiety for the bottom

00:32:02.460 --> 00:32:04.579
and this is really like one of their first times.

00:32:05.259 --> 00:32:08.400
then I may go to the point where I am explaining

00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.059
and showing out one of the tools and implements.

00:32:11.299 --> 00:32:14.880
However, if that anxiety is so high where more

00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:17.759
information is not good, then I'll cut it short

00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:19.140
and I'll be like, it's going to be okay, we're

00:32:19.140 --> 00:32:20.279
going to do this, we're going to do this, and

00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:22.740
I'll just work through the process. So it depends

00:32:22.740 --> 00:32:25.140
on what their level is. And each person has a

00:32:25.140 --> 00:32:27.900
different thing that they do, the way they live

00:32:27.900 --> 00:32:30.240
their life. For some people, more information

00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:33.200
makes them... more comfortable because they have

00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:35.220
the information and here's a here to here to

00:32:35.220 --> 00:32:38.019
here and they can play now and vice versa but

00:32:38.019 --> 00:32:40.220
for the other person so it really depends on

00:32:40.220 --> 00:32:43.180
the scenario um i started out last night with

00:32:43.180 --> 00:32:47.160
a process and it made the it helped i felt like

00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:49.579
it helped the bottom like okay here's what we're

00:32:49.579 --> 00:32:51.960
going to do and here's the thing and okay all

00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:53.720
right now let's do this thing let's do this thing

00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:55.779
and another person was like oh but like this

00:32:55.779 --> 00:32:57.880
like this i'm like this i was like all right

00:32:57.880 --> 00:32:59.900
sure we can do that you know that never got there

00:32:59.900 --> 00:33:03.940
because the this scene changed and we were moving

00:33:03.940 --> 00:33:06.680
and pivoting during the scene change but it was

00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:12.839
their comfort level so stereotypically as I identify

00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:16.500
as the top stereotypically bottoms are looking

00:33:16.500 --> 00:33:19.319
to be led and are looking to have more of the

00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:24.720
process catered for them you know so asking them

00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:29.339
questions about the scene is like contrary to

00:33:29.339 --> 00:33:32.400
what some bottoms are looking for, you know,

00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:34.759
more of just laying out the process and having

00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:37.400
more of a direction and then building that direction.

00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:39.880
You say left, and you maybe go a little bit right,

00:33:39.940 --> 00:33:44.099
but you start somewhere, and then I like to interact,

00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:46.660
and then as the bottom is leaning the other way,

00:33:46.700 --> 00:33:48.799
then go the other way, kind of just flow with

00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:50.680
the process, but start off something and then

00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:53.119
be able to say. the things that they don't like

00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:54.880
oh you don't like this okay so we'll put that

00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:57.339
way over there and you don't know about this

00:33:57.339 --> 00:33:59.980
well this is not that let me try that and then

00:33:59.980 --> 00:34:03.680
gauge that temperature and go from there so pulling

00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:06.579
out all of the tools is fun for some people but

00:34:06.579 --> 00:34:09.500
then it is it is not something that i do most

00:34:09.500 --> 00:34:11.519
often because i have so many tools and it's so

00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:13.699
many different things and you're only going to

00:34:13.699 --> 00:34:17.139
use a certain amount of stuff going on you know

00:34:17.139 --> 00:34:22.880
for sure So for those of us who have not been

00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:26.500
here there, if you walk into this room, there

00:34:26.500 --> 00:34:29.099
are several. What do you guys what's the name

00:34:29.099 --> 00:34:32.719
you're using for? I call them instruments of

00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:36.880
pleasure. What's the name you guys call it? For

00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:41.880
the implements? Implements. Implements. So when

00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:44.099
you walk in here, there's a whole table full

00:34:44.099 --> 00:34:46.880
of different kind of floggers and other implements.

00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:49.960
Yeah, talk to me about that. Yeah, talk to me

00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:55.920
about that. So, again, I mostly use floggers.

00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:58.920
So I've got different ones all the way from...

00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:02.019
And as I said, if there's somebody that is new

00:35:02.019 --> 00:35:04.219
to all of this, I'll go through and say, hey,

00:35:04.219 --> 00:35:06.519
this is made out of finger floggers that are

00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:09.539
made of lambskin. And then I've got some that

00:35:09.539 --> 00:35:13.960
go all the way up as rough as bison. And then

00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:16.599
I'll show them the different levels and show

00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:19.039
them this is how I'm going to build up. But again,

00:35:19.139 --> 00:35:21.619
as he said, I mean, this is mostly for the people

00:35:21.619 --> 00:35:24.219
that are new to the experience, just to show

00:35:24.219 --> 00:35:27.179
them, hey, this is really soft. And then sometimes

00:35:27.179 --> 00:35:29.429
I'll say, I don't want to try that. Okay, you

00:35:29.429 --> 00:35:32.230
ain't got to try it, but, you know. But so, again,

00:35:32.309 --> 00:35:34.610
it goes all the way from light all the way up

00:35:34.610 --> 00:35:39.889
to really coarse and stiff. And some of it can

00:35:39.889 --> 00:35:41.730
be kind of deceiving, too, because I have a couple

00:35:41.730 --> 00:35:45.590
pieces that are really thick. And what we say

00:35:45.590 --> 00:35:49.869
is it's a thuddy feel to it. But it's really,

00:35:50.130 --> 00:35:54.510
it sounds violent, but it's not violent. It's

00:35:54.510 --> 00:36:00.119
a... big, strong, heavy sound. And with the one,

00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:04.159
I think it's made out of bison or buffalo. And

00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:09.380
it's really thick and heavy. So when I hit, I

00:36:09.380 --> 00:36:12.739
mean, you hear, bam! It's a big, heavy sound.

00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.199
And sometimes when I hit them, when I strike

00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:18.659
them, you'll see their whole body jump forward.

00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:20.960
But then they're like, oh, I kind of like that.

00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:23.559
It's a different feeling. And then the ones that

00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:30.460
are smaller, they're more stingy. And, you know,

00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:32.559
just the different feelings of them. But then

00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:36.400
I've got one over there. It's kind of deceptive.

00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:38.800
So I try to tell people, I try to keep my eye

00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:41.360
on them because it's made out of like a paracord.

00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:45.900
But in the middle, there's chain. So you get

00:36:45.900 --> 00:36:47.639
people that grab it and start swinging. I'm like,

00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:50.920
hey, hey, calm down. Why would you do it? And

00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:54.239
then I show them, they're like, oh. So, I mean,

00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:57.380
it's a wide range of different things. And as

00:36:57.380 --> 00:37:00.159
Tim just said, I don't even get to use everything

00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:03.139
on my table. You know, I have my favorite pieces,

00:37:03.179 --> 00:37:06.059
and especially for a 10, 15 -minute session,

00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:08.900
I'm using a bunch of, you know, mainly the same

00:37:08.900 --> 00:37:12.860
ones. But then for cool down, I have a flogger

00:37:12.860 --> 00:37:15.440
that's made out of rabbit fur. And that's another

00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:18.300
one where I can hit you as hard as I want to

00:37:18.300 --> 00:37:20.860
hit you, as hard as I could ever hit somebody.

00:37:21.099 --> 00:37:24.920
And you'll hear it. But it's rabbit fur, and

00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:28.059
it doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt at all. And

00:37:28.059 --> 00:37:30.840
then to calm people down, I have rabbit fur gloves

00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:34.260
with some spikes in them, which is a lot different

00:37:34.260 --> 00:37:37.360
sensation. And then once I get people up and

00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:39.699
have their blood flowing and everything, I've

00:37:39.699 --> 00:37:43.230
got a pair of chain floggers. And they're sitting

00:37:43.230 --> 00:37:46.429
in ice. No, you didn't see it. Chain. Floggers.

00:37:46.429 --> 00:37:49.389
Got a pair of floggers made of chain. And they're

00:37:49.389 --> 00:37:52.289
sitting in ice. And you just rub that across

00:37:52.289 --> 00:37:54.909
people. And like Eve said, you know, that different

00:37:54.909 --> 00:37:57.150
sensation, man. You see people going through

00:37:57.150 --> 00:37:59.730
all sorts of stuff. Yeah, when you've got their

00:37:59.730 --> 00:38:02.389
body all warmed up and their skin is all red

00:38:02.389 --> 00:38:04.889
and you can touch it and you can feel that heat.

00:38:05.030 --> 00:38:07.369
And then you take that cold and put on there.

00:38:07.789 --> 00:38:10.090
It is like it's a whole different experience.

00:38:10.210 --> 00:38:12.730
Ooh, y 'all got me going. Feel that heat, too,

00:38:12.809 --> 00:38:15.929
man. Once I get a really good session with somebody,

00:38:16.130 --> 00:38:19.329
like 15 minutes later, you can still feel heat

00:38:19.329 --> 00:38:22.769
coming off of their ass. It's a great feeling.

00:38:22.809 --> 00:38:25.829
It's like you want to see them do that Tom and

00:38:25.829 --> 00:38:27.869
Jerry cartoon where he gets on fire and just

00:38:27.869 --> 00:38:31.110
sits on the ice and has nothing around him. Because

00:38:31.110 --> 00:38:35.690
that ass is on fire. That butt is on fire, man.

00:38:35.929 --> 00:38:40.030
Temperature play is so fun and deceiving. People

00:38:40.030 --> 00:38:45.170
are like, oh! Wow. And that gasp and it's everything

00:38:45.170 --> 00:38:47.849
to feel them and see them. See their whole body.

00:38:48.909 --> 00:38:53.010
Yeah, I've seen it. And it is the word that you

00:38:53.010 --> 00:38:56.949
wouldn't think you use in kink to me that is

00:38:56.949 --> 00:39:01.829
so much there is seductive. Yes, yes. It is so

00:39:01.829 --> 00:39:07.820
seductive. It is. My finger floggers, so I've

00:39:07.820 --> 00:39:11.099
got floggers. Most floggers you see has a handle

00:39:11.099 --> 00:39:14.719
on them. Mine, there's a couple that I have where

00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:16.619
they attach through my fingers. There's a little

00:39:16.619 --> 00:39:19.739
loop on the end, and I swing them, and I can

00:39:19.739 --> 00:39:23.400
get to, like John Wayne with his six -shooter

00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:25.780
swinging them through the air and doing all sorts

00:39:25.780 --> 00:39:29.440
of stuff, you know. And I've had people comment

00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:33.739
on how I handle the floggers and do that. It

00:39:33.739 --> 00:39:37.519
is rhythmic, and people love and enjoy watching

00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.380
me work like that. Yeah, yeah, trust me. I've

00:39:40.380 --> 00:39:43.420
seen people in the audience, and, you know, you

00:39:43.420 --> 00:39:45.420
hear people whispering to each other, and they're

00:39:45.420 --> 00:39:48.460
like, oh, my goodness. It sounds like it's a

00:39:48.460 --> 00:39:52.579
journey. It sounds like you're taking them, and,

00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:54.420
you know, the audience can't see, but, you know,

00:39:54.460 --> 00:39:57.300
from a low point to a much higher point. And

00:39:57.300 --> 00:40:01.730
it seems to me that you guys, after... the experience

00:40:01.730 --> 00:40:04.469
that you have, you start knowing where to take

00:40:04.469 --> 00:40:07.469
them to get to the next level. Yes. Right. And

00:40:07.469 --> 00:40:09.789
that's about reading body language. That's about

00:40:09.789 --> 00:40:12.269
reading the person. How does the couple come

00:40:12.269 --> 00:40:15.190
involved? How does this whole, let's say a, a,

00:40:15.190 --> 00:40:17.570
a male female come in and the, and the, and the

00:40:17.570 --> 00:40:21.090
females in the bottom position and the husband's

00:40:21.090 --> 00:40:23.949
a cuck or a stag and he wants to see his significant

00:40:23.949 --> 00:40:26.460
other go through this. Are you interacting with

00:40:26.460 --> 00:40:29.980
him as well and kind of seeing what he wants

00:40:29.980 --> 00:40:32.360
to see? Or is it all really about the person

00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:35.460
that you're? Me personally, it's about me and

00:40:35.460 --> 00:40:38.619
that person who I'm flogging. Because, again,

00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:41.219
if I'm paying attention to something else, I

00:40:41.219 --> 00:40:44.579
may miss a body clue. That, you know, I'm flogging

00:40:44.579 --> 00:40:48.260
her and she may react and I miss it now because

00:40:48.260 --> 00:40:50.820
I'm paying attention to him. Now, what I have

00:40:50.820 --> 00:40:54.000
done is I flog people and have their significant

00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:57.960
other sit in front of them and watch. And I actually

00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:01.739
had one couple. They I flogged her and she got

00:41:01.739 --> 00:41:04.340
so turned on and he came up to me the next day.

00:41:04.380 --> 00:41:07.139
He sat there and watched her, watched her body

00:41:07.139 --> 00:41:10.300
reaction, watched her face. And they. started

00:41:10.300 --> 00:41:13.000
holding hands and they connected and he came

00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:14.699
down the next morning he was like man thank you

00:41:14.699 --> 00:41:17.579
so much for that we went upstairs and we fucked

00:41:17.579 --> 00:41:22.360
like crazy it was it was unreal he said thank

00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.519
you so much for that so i've done that to where

00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:29.739
you know um they've connected but i haven't really

00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:33.139
interacted with that person because my focus

00:41:33.139 --> 00:41:37.900
and I tune out everything that's around. I have

00:41:37.900 --> 00:41:41.239
to be locked in to her. I have a girlfriend of

00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:43.980
mine though that he, when she comes in and he

00:41:43.980 --> 00:41:47.300
flogs her, she wants me to sit there in front

00:41:47.300 --> 00:41:49.559
of her and hold her hand and rub her face. But

00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:52.099
then she also does it for me when he's flogging

00:41:52.099 --> 00:41:55.320
me. And, you know, to, to get that, there's times

00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:57.659
that I need that, you know, that connection with

00:41:57.659 --> 00:42:02.079
somebody else there too. So it's, it's a different,

00:42:02.139 --> 00:42:05.079
it's a different connection, you know, when you

00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:08.320
need somebody there, especially with him, because,

00:42:08.380 --> 00:42:11.880
you know, he, he can take me through. All sorts

00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:15.119
of emotions, you know. And again, he still needs

00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:18.019
to be reading me. And to have somebody there

00:42:18.019 --> 00:42:20.699
for the other part of it that I need is always

00:42:20.699 --> 00:42:25.179
nice. For me, it depends. Because, for example,

00:42:25.179 --> 00:42:28.039
last night, I have a lot of couples that will

00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:30.719
come in and the husband just wants to watch me

00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:33.579
vlog or do whatever it is that I'm going to do.

00:42:34.500 --> 00:42:37.739
He just wants to watch me do it to her. And that's

00:42:37.739 --> 00:42:41.360
the turn on for him. You know, beautiful woman

00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:44.360
doing all of these really sensual, like naughty

00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:47.519
things to his wife or his partner. And he's just

00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:49.579
sitting there watching from like the sideline,

00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.880
kind of peeping on the corner and just doing

00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.480
his thing, you know. And then there are some

00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:57.280
couples that I'll be like, hey, did you want

00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:00.219
to be a part of this? Like I can give you a certain

00:43:00.219 --> 00:43:03.659
instruction and this will be your post while

00:43:03.659 --> 00:43:06.420
we're playing. And so there is a couple that

00:43:06.420 --> 00:43:10.489
I have in mind right now. Every time that I work

00:43:10.489 --> 00:43:13.809
her on a station on one of the benches, I'll

00:43:13.809 --> 00:43:15.989
tell her husband, hey, I want you to come up

00:43:15.989 --> 00:43:17.949
here and I want you to say some nasty, dirty

00:43:17.949 --> 00:43:20.769
stuff to her. And I want you to pull her hair

00:43:20.769 --> 00:43:22.869
when you think you should be pulling her hair.

00:43:22.909 --> 00:43:24.530
And I want you to put a hand around her throat,

00:43:24.570 --> 00:43:28.210
but firm every once in a while. And I'll see

00:43:28.210 --> 00:43:29.869
them up there and I'll kind of listen to what's

00:43:29.869 --> 00:43:31.809
going on and I'll see what's happening and I'll

00:43:31.809 --> 00:43:34.610
flow off of whatever is going on with him. And

00:43:34.610 --> 00:43:36.530
what he's doing to her and making sure that he's

00:43:36.530 --> 00:43:38.329
turning her on and he's not turning her off.

00:43:39.309 --> 00:43:40.710
Because that's something that I have to watch

00:43:40.710 --> 00:43:42.449
out for, too. Like, I'm here to give you pleasure,

00:43:42.590 --> 00:43:45.650
baby. Pleasure is our birthright. So I want to

00:43:45.650 --> 00:43:47.789
be able to give that to you. And sometimes it

00:43:47.789 --> 00:43:49.670
will depend. Some husbands want to. Some husbands

00:43:49.670 --> 00:43:52.409
don't. Some husbands don't even know that they

00:43:52.409 --> 00:43:56.010
want to. So it really just depends. I love that.

00:43:56.110 --> 00:44:00.469
I love that. So you guys are looking at how they're.

00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:03.900
like vibing with each other as a couple you're

00:44:03.900 --> 00:44:07.179
looking at how you know their experience level

00:44:07.179 --> 00:44:10.199
right how much they know you're looking at body

00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:12.119
language you're looking at all those things to

00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:14.880
kind of see where i can get that where they're

00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:16.760
starting at and how i can get them to where i

00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:19.519
want them to be talk to me about subspace so

00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:22.719
i i have to admit i think it's something that

00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:29.949
i don't understand um so In Shibari, subspace,

00:44:30.010 --> 00:44:34.570
a lot of times, they're almost there when you

00:44:34.570 --> 00:44:39.250
start restraining them. And it's a long process.

00:44:39.329 --> 00:44:41.690
But it seems to me that impact play and other

00:44:41.690 --> 00:44:44.489
things like that, there's a point of subspace.

00:44:44.570 --> 00:44:46.289
But I'm probably getting ahead of myself. So

00:44:46.289 --> 00:44:48.829
talk to me about subspace. What is it to you?

00:44:49.170 --> 00:44:52.889
And describe the feeling, you know, that when

00:44:52.889 --> 00:44:55.710
you're in subspace, what is it and how does it

00:44:55.710 --> 00:44:59.170
feel to be in that? I don't know, thinking, state

00:44:59.170 --> 00:45:03.550
of being? I don't know. I'm not thinking. I'm

00:45:03.550 --> 00:45:07.829
not. I mean, when I'm in subspace, and especially

00:45:07.829 --> 00:45:11.530
with him, not really so much here. I mean, it's

00:45:11.530 --> 00:45:16.289
happened in the dungeon here a time or two. But

00:45:16.289 --> 00:45:20.769
for me, like, I'm not, I don't hear other people

00:45:20.769 --> 00:45:22.929
around me. I don't even hear the music anymore.

00:45:23.150 --> 00:45:24.530
And, you know, there's always music in here.

00:45:24.610 --> 00:45:29.280
I don't. I don't feel, you know, with your body,

00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:31.079
you can feel things moving around you and coming.

00:45:31.139 --> 00:45:35.539
I don't feel anything except him and where he's

00:45:35.539 --> 00:45:40.260
at. So I am totally not thinking. It is all just

00:45:40.260 --> 00:45:42.480
feeling. It is what I'm feeling at that point.

00:45:42.820 --> 00:45:45.480
And so then, you know, when he does bring me

00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:50.860
down, I will, my whole body will shake. I mean,

00:45:50.860 --> 00:45:53.000
there's been times I get off the bench and I

00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:56.280
have to be laid down on a table or on the floor

00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:58.619
and covered up. That's aftercare, right? Yes,

00:45:58.619 --> 00:46:03.119
and covered up and brought water because it takes

00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:06.340
me some time to learn, like, regain my bearings

00:46:06.340 --> 00:46:10.940
of where I am. So, yeah, I'm not thinking when

00:46:10.940 --> 00:46:13.000
I'm in subspace. It's all about what I'm feeling.

00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:17.159
It's a euphoric state. You know, you just...

00:46:18.619 --> 00:46:21.739
I don't know if I've not experienced a subspace.

00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:24.619
I mean, we have a top space, but I mean, it's

00:46:24.619 --> 00:46:28.239
kind of like consciousness. I'm being unconscious

00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:33.559
while you're conscious. Oh, damn. I mean, I mean,

00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:39.280
we've got one other philosopher. We've all, we've

00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:42.039
all kind of, yeah, we've all kind of had some

00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:44.139
sort of subspace where you're, like I said, you're

00:46:44.139 --> 00:46:48.780
consciously unconscious. I mean, Eve probably

00:46:48.780 --> 00:46:51.699
could explain it a little bit better, but I think

00:46:51.699 --> 00:46:55.300
you're conscious of things that are around you,

00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:59.659
but you kind of lose control of things. And you

00:46:59.659 --> 00:47:05.460
sense things, but it's like you just lose, not

00:47:05.460 --> 00:47:10.880
control, but it's harder for you to control your

00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:13.880
being because you have this state of euphorism.

00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:18.619
That's a word. State of euphoria. Yeah, because

00:47:18.619 --> 00:47:22.739
for me to be moved from the bench to the table,

00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:25.539
I can't do that on my own. Yeah, you get them.

00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:28.780
They get deer -legged, man. I can't take myself

00:47:28.780 --> 00:47:32.099
from one point to another. There have been times

00:47:32.099 --> 00:47:34.739
they hand me water, and it's just like, I can't.

00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:39.199
Hands are shaking and everything. It's definitely

00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:43.099
a body high. uh from the bottom perspective subspace

00:47:43.099 --> 00:47:45.400
is definitely a body high top space is a little

00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:51.119
different um subspace is you know you're you're

00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:53.659
literally floating that's why we call it space

00:47:53.659 --> 00:47:56.019
because it's like you're floating through space

00:47:56.019 --> 00:47:58.420
and you're just like this being and you're there

00:47:58.420 --> 00:48:00.239
and i know that that sounds real metaphysical

00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:03.159
and weird but it's true because you're out there

00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:06.679
you're floating Yes, you get deer legs. That's

00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:08.519
why, you know, we'll take people off of these

00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:10.980
benches and we help them into a seat because

00:48:10.980 --> 00:48:15.199
they typically cannot stand. And what we do here

00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:19.960
is really just little demos. You know, 10, 15

00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:22.119
minutes. We're giving them these feelings so

00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:24.679
quickly. And then we're setting them off into

00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:28.920
the playrooms. Go do something fun. Go do something

00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:33.110
nasty. Yeah. You know, it's literally like being

00:48:33.110 --> 00:48:37.110
in a really soft hammock for a little while and

00:48:37.110 --> 00:48:39.429
your body just feels real good. You know, you

00:48:39.429 --> 00:48:41.670
feel the heat on your ass or you feel it wherever

00:48:41.670 --> 00:48:44.269
it is that you're feeling it. You still sometimes

00:48:44.269 --> 00:48:46.789
feel the tingles on your skin from whatever it

00:48:46.789 --> 00:48:48.949
was that they were using. You know, temperature

00:48:48.949 --> 00:48:52.230
play, all of that stuff. And it's just a really

00:48:52.230 --> 00:48:57.860
nice meditative almost state. Nice. Well, we're

00:48:57.860 --> 00:49:00.440
coming up on time here. Is there anything I didn't

00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:03.219
cover you guys want to talk about or, you know,

00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:05.920
experiences that you like to see when you guys

00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:11.400
are in here? I mean, the only thing I like, again,

00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:13.539
I like seeing people turned on to the craft.

00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:16.099
You know, I love it when someone new comes in.

00:49:16.980 --> 00:49:19.920
I've had people pull me over in the pool or outside,

00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:22.079
say, I want to try it. I want to come in. You

00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:25.590
know, just come in. I love. And again, this is

00:49:25.590 --> 00:49:27.809
part of the reason why I don't do heavy impact

00:49:27.809 --> 00:49:31.210
because people already have a sense that this

00:49:31.210 --> 00:49:33.949
is going to be painful. It's going to hurt. And

00:49:33.949 --> 00:49:36.849
I love turning them on to where they say, wow,

00:49:36.969 --> 00:49:40.329
it doesn't hurt. It's this. I kind of like this.

00:49:40.389 --> 00:49:44.389
You know, I like how it felt. And then I'm trying

00:49:44.389 --> 00:49:47.030
to describe it. It's it's a good feeling to have

00:49:47.030 --> 00:49:49.909
people turned on to this and have them do a 180

00:49:49.909 --> 00:49:54.769
from. No, there was a girl. several years ago

00:49:54.769 --> 00:49:57.289
who I went to a house party of a friend of mine

00:49:57.289 --> 00:50:00.469
and she saw me with the floggers and she goes,

00:50:00.550 --> 00:50:06.750
you stay away from me. And she saw me flog some

00:50:06.750 --> 00:50:09.590
people. She saw me flog some people at the end

00:50:09.590 --> 00:50:11.369
of the night. She goes, she looks, she goes,

00:50:11.510 --> 00:50:21.050
Hey, come here. And we were staying in the same

00:50:21.050 --> 00:50:23.969
hotel. And that night, I went over to her room

00:50:23.969 --> 00:50:26.889
and flogged her. We had a great time, but she

00:50:26.889 --> 00:50:30.309
was turned on by it after that. That is what

00:50:30.309 --> 00:50:33.449
I love more than anything, to see people turned

00:50:33.449 --> 00:50:36.880
on. to a new kink that they may not have known

00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:40.820
that they liked or, you know, or changing a person's

00:50:40.820 --> 00:50:43.340
opinion where, you know, they've had a bad experience.

00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:45.300
They were somewhere and somebody walked up to

00:50:45.300 --> 00:50:47.960
them and fire out. They get hit with something,

00:50:48.139 --> 00:50:49.980
you know, and they're like, I didn't like that.

00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:51.579
I'm like, well, he never should have done that

00:50:51.579 --> 00:50:54.139
to you. He was wrong for doing that. You know,

00:50:54.139 --> 00:50:57.400
so that is what I love more than anything is

00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:02.219
turning people on to. to this new experience

00:51:02.219 --> 00:51:05.280
and then them gaining i've had people text me

00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:07.820
hey man i need this where can i get a couple

00:51:07.820 --> 00:51:09.679
floggers where would you recommend i get something

00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:12.119
like that that is what i like more than almost

00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:16.699
anything yeah i agree with that that's i think

00:51:16.699 --> 00:51:18.440
that's mostly what we're all after at that point

00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:21.619
is just being able to like i said i want to manipulate

00:51:21.619 --> 00:51:23.599
somebody's body and be like oh you didn't know

00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:26.659
you were gonna like that did you i love that

00:51:26.659 --> 00:51:28.980
i love that um and if i was going to give anybody

00:51:28.980 --> 00:51:32.050
advice Just like I was saying to Reed, try anything

00:51:32.050 --> 00:51:36.909
twice. Try everything twice. Try it once. You're

00:51:36.909 --> 00:51:38.449
still scared. You don't know what to expect.

00:51:38.809 --> 00:51:41.530
Now, after you've tried it once, there are some

00:51:41.530 --> 00:51:42.849
things that you're going to be like, nah, I'm

00:51:42.849 --> 00:51:44.809
never going to do needles. Don't come over here

00:51:44.809 --> 00:51:47.670
with that. I'm good. But there are some things

00:51:47.670 --> 00:51:48.929
that you'll be like, you know what? That wasn't

00:51:48.929 --> 00:51:52.269
so bad. And now you know what to expect. And

00:51:52.269 --> 00:51:53.869
maybe with a different person, it'll be even

00:51:53.869 --> 00:51:55.750
better. So that's why, you know, there are certain

00:51:55.750 --> 00:51:57.929
things I don't like, but I'd be willing to try

00:51:57.929 --> 00:52:00.400
it with certain people. Just because maybe they

00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:03.179
do it different. Like me. I do it different.

00:52:04.739 --> 00:52:07.559
So what I always tell people, even in the vanilla

00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:10.739
world, try anything twice. Well, and I think

00:52:10.739 --> 00:52:13.639
we said yesterday in our seminar, somebody asked,

00:52:13.860 --> 00:52:17.260
what advice would you give somebody walking in

00:52:17.260 --> 00:52:21.000
to this dungeon for the first time? And my biggest

00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:24.469
thing is come in with an open mind. Be curious.

00:52:24.969 --> 00:52:27.969
Because, like I said, even if you're just stepping

00:52:27.969 --> 00:52:29.909
in the door so you can see what this room looks

00:52:29.909 --> 00:52:32.210
like at night when the lights are all off and

00:52:32.210 --> 00:52:33.909
the music's on and you can see what people are

00:52:33.909 --> 00:52:36.389
coming and doing in here. And then maybe you

00:52:36.389 --> 00:52:38.429
come back again and you're seeing different scenes

00:52:38.429 --> 00:52:40.349
going on in here. So each time you're coming

00:52:40.349 --> 00:52:42.630
through, you're getting a little bit more of

00:52:42.630 --> 00:52:44.929
information. And if you come into this with an

00:52:44.929 --> 00:52:47.349
open mind of, let me just see what it's about,

00:52:47.650 --> 00:52:51.050
then you have room to go somewhere with that.

00:52:51.670 --> 00:52:54.309
Whereas if you come in to this room like, oh,

00:52:54.349 --> 00:52:55.889
I'm never going to do this, but I need to go

00:52:55.889 --> 00:52:59.210
see what this looks like. You kind of limit yourself

00:52:59.210 --> 00:53:01.510
in the space that you have to go from that point.

00:53:01.789 --> 00:53:05.050
Right. So just kind of open yourself up and,

00:53:05.090 --> 00:53:07.829
you know, be open and let a kind of experience

00:53:07.829 --> 00:53:10.429
come your way and see where it takes you. Did

00:53:10.429 --> 00:53:13.710
you guys want to give your social media or handles

00:53:13.710 --> 00:53:15.789
or how can they get in touch with you if they

00:53:15.789 --> 00:53:17.570
want to ask you any questions or see what kind

00:53:17.570 --> 00:53:19.550
of flogger they want to buy or anything like

00:53:19.550 --> 00:53:23.909
that? I am almost on everything. Missed the East

00:53:23.909 --> 00:53:28.210
Coast. M -I -S -S -D -A, East Coast. So, Missed

00:53:28.210 --> 00:53:31.969
the East Coast. On, again, almost every site

00:53:31.969 --> 00:53:34.250
that I can think of, that's where you can find

00:53:34.250 --> 00:53:37.510
me. Nice. And on every site that I'm on, I am

00:53:37.510 --> 00:53:40.289
Barbell Vixen. So, Barbell like you would pick

00:53:40.289 --> 00:53:43.849
up in a gym, and then Vixen with three X's. Nice.

00:53:43.969 --> 00:53:48.510
Nice. And I am Beloved Eve everywhere. So, SDC

00:53:48.510 --> 00:53:52.809
and Telegram. Just tell me how you got my information

00:53:52.809 --> 00:53:55.849
so I don't think that you're a creep. Because

00:53:55.849 --> 00:54:00.309
I'd be like, who are you? What do you want? Go

00:54:00.309 --> 00:54:04.530
away. Well, thank you guys for being on the show.

00:54:04.570 --> 00:54:07.889
We appreciate it. I know all of you guys, and

00:54:07.889 --> 00:54:11.630
you guys are just amazing people. You know, like

00:54:11.630 --> 00:54:14.489
I said, when I first met Mr. East Coast, I was

00:54:14.489 --> 00:54:19.170
like, who the fuck is this dude? But, you know,

00:54:19.190 --> 00:54:23.650
cool people, easy to talk to, you know, friendly,

00:54:23.889 --> 00:54:27.230
but don't play. And that's the kind of people

00:54:27.230 --> 00:54:31.130
I like. So, you know, again, this is we're coming

00:54:31.130 --> 00:54:35.909
from Splash Mocha, Fort Lauderdale, 2025. You

00:54:35.909 --> 00:54:38.090
know, so if you want to go to I think it is SplashMocha

00:54:38.090 --> 00:54:40.570
.com if you want any information there. They're

00:54:40.570 --> 00:54:43.329
here every one of their locations to have the

00:54:43.329 --> 00:54:46.650
dungeon, right? Yes. So, you know, look online.

00:54:47.030 --> 00:54:49.889
You can always, if you end up talking to Tina,

00:54:50.030 --> 00:54:53.849
ask her questions and she'll, you know, tell

00:54:53.849 --> 00:54:57.329
you what she knows. And then there's always things

00:54:57.329 --> 00:54:59.730
in the emails and the website if you want any

00:54:59.730 --> 00:55:02.530
information. So with that, we're just going to,

00:55:02.530 --> 00:55:06.320
you know, get it going. Ended here, and thanks

00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:08.639
for all the audience here. Thanks for all the

00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:11.199
questions you guys had, and I look forward to

00:55:11.199 --> 00:55:13.460
seeing you guys in the next one. We'll be in

00:55:13.460 --> 00:55:18.360
Houston, but I think the next one is... Oh, yeah,

00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:22.940
so we'll be there. We'll see y 'all. I don't

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have Brian here because he usually has this really

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nice. Yeah, so anyway, what we're going to do

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is the ladies do this. I ain't doing that. I'm

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just going to say I'm out of here, y 'all, and

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have a good time.