When I'm doing a negotiation with somebody I
don't know, and it's in this setting as opposed
to like a kink setting, it's very different.
Because if I'm in like a BDSM dungeon, we're
definitely probably pre -negotiating for up to
weeks, depending on the type of play we're doing.
And in a BDSM dungeon, play does not necessarily
mean sexual contact. Like penetration doesn't
typically happen in those types of settings.
And so here it's a little different because I
don't know the person that's coming. It's considered
pickup play. They'll see maybe me working on
somebody or they'll see Craig working on somebody.
And they'll come up and they'll be like, can
you do that to me? And I'll be like, I can do
something like that to you. We can try. You know,
and I'll come and I'll set them up. And right
before we get on there, I'll ask them, hey, do
you have any medical conditions that I need to
be made aware of? taking blood thinners because
i don't want them to wake up the next morning
and they've got bruises everywhere with my handprints
on them some people like that some people don't
um are you okay if we leave marks on your body
maybe because bruising won't happen are you okay
if i put my hands on you if i lay my body on
you can i put my hand around your neck can i
put my hand in your hair um and then sometimes
what i'll do a lot of people will be i'll be
like what are your limits Let me go get some
scissors. We better have a good time. I'll be
like, you know what? When they give me that type
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the Bull Brotherhood Podcast. I'm kind of rolling
solo this time, y 'all. So, Siren is... off doing
her thing. We are at Splash Mocha Fort Lauderdale
2025, y 'all. And I'm really excited today. We
got Brian Morgan is off, y 'all. He's chilling
in home base and the wifey is off probably flirting
with some dude at the pool right now. But we
got a really special, exciting episode for you
guys today. We got some awesome people from the
dungeon here in Splash, and they're going to
talk about, you know, what they do in the dungeon
and how it works. And first we're going to start
off with Mr. East Coast himself. What's going
on, brother? Not much, man. How you doing? Real
good, real good. I just, I remember the first
time I saw your ass, I was like. Who is this
nigga right here? Yeah, that happens a lot. People
say that a lot in their first impression of me.
Yeah. Then we got Barbell Vixen. What's going
on, girl? Not much. How are you? Not much, man.
Y 'all have heard her before, so you know what
you can get with that. I'm excited. I'm excited.
And then the lovely Eve. What's going on? Gallivanting
here at Splash Mocha. Yeah. So, you know, I'm
usually the interviewer. I'm the one that asks
a million questions. But this time, you know,
I'm more than solo. And we're just going to have,
you know, the crew here kind of explain how it
goes down at Splash Mocha when it comes to the
dungeon. Because, you know, kink is a little
different than what we normally do in Splash.
And, you know, it's a different world. and we're
going to have them kind of talk about it. So,
you know, I don't know how you want to get it
going, brother, but, you know, tell them, like,
what the dungeon is all about and what can they
experience when they come in. All right, so first
of all, I want to say I became, I run the dungeon
here at Splash. This was originally set up by
Glim, who is... Serge Rez. I want to give a shout
out to him. Unfortunately, he passed away several
years ago. This is all still set up in his honor
and his memory. You see there's a sign outside
with him standing on it. Again, unfortunately,
he passed away several years ago. I don't consider
this... This is kind of like dungeon light to
me. If you come to Splash and you're... Looking
for a real dungeon experience. That's not what
this is. I do a lot of flogging. You'll see people
come in and do some flogging of their own. At
a couple parties, you've seen someone doing some
shibari, some rope tying and stuff. I do have
a violet wand, and I'll use that. But it's more
of dungeon light for several reasons. But yeah,
it's not a dungeon like people would consider
it to be. in the street if they were to pay to
go to a dungeon. It's a little bit different.
I just feel like you're introducing this to the
community. This is a lifestyle party. It's not
a kink party. A lot of stuff you may see in a
real dungeon, you're not going to see here for
several reasons. As I say during a lot of my
seminars, I don't want to scare somebody off
to the craft. I do lighter stuff that are going
to help people get over their fear of pain and
different things rather than reinforce their
fear that it's going to be painful. Thankfully,
I've been able to turn a lot of people on to
flogging and different parts of being at the
kink side of things. Every time I'm here and
I talk to people about their experience, one
or two people talk and say, man, I had a great
time in the dungeon. They talk about the experience
with one of you guys. what do you guys like the
most about it barbell like what is the thing
that you get most excited about when you're in
here and you're knowing okay it's going to be
friday night saturday night it's going to be
popping and you're going to have a new always
have someone new in there what is the thing that
excites you the most about it i think really
just them coming in And, you know, they all want
to congregate in front of the door. I have to
try to bring them on in. Like, you can come in,
walk through, see what's going on. And to see
them come in and watch. And they might turn around
and leave within a few minutes. But then to be
able to see them come back again. So they'll
come back and they might cycle through a couple
of times. You know, and sometimes it takes them
a couple of times to come in before they actually
are ready to try it. You know, so it's. I like
seeing them come in and out and kind of learn
a little bit as each time they've come in. Yeah,
yeah. Just like when you first come to the door,
there's usually like a crowd at the door peeking,
right? I don't want to step in there too much.
They might hit me or something. They might be.
Exactly. No, come on. Yeah, yeah. So I think
when it comes to... The kink dynamic, there's
a power exchange, right? Yes, yes. So talk to
me about that power exchange and, like, how you
guys kind of fit in that. So, again, I run the
dungeon here. I don't consider myself a dungeon
master, and partly because of what I explained
earlier. There's a lot more that goes into being
a master than the things that I do. My craft
and my specialty is the flogging. But as far
as the power stuff, you have the different types.
There's the top, there's the bottom, and then
there's the person who does both, and they're
a switch. And that's... what we represent up
here at the top, the bottom, and the switch.
In that order. In that order. So you being a
top or a dominant, right? Right. What does that
entail? For people who are just really gotten
getting into this, what does that mean? What's
the difference between a top and a bottom? We
got into a little bit of this yesterday in the
class. The top is the one that's mostly administering.
And the bottom is the one that's receiving. I
was going to say submissive, but, I mean, it
doesn't mean you're submissive because you're
on the receiving end of it because there are
some tops who will be on the receiving end. Like
Tim was over here yesterday, and he actually
said there's certain things. Like he likes fire
play. He likes needle play. So he is a top. In
those forms, he can't do it on himself, obviously,
so he has to bottom out for someone. Gotcha.
But I like what he said yesterday. He said instead
of giving and receiving, he will ask people,
do you want to do what is being done, or do you
want to have what's being done to you? And so
that's how he kind of explained it in our class
yesterday. And as a bottom, From your perspective,
what does that mean to you, especially in contrast
to being a top or a switch? So I have no desire
to administer anything, to be the one doing any
of the actions. I am always the bottom, so I'm
always the one receiving, whether it's... the
shabari was being tied or the flogging or with
the violet wand. I'm always the one that's receiving.
It's always being done to me. And that's where,
that's where my enjoyment comes from. What do
you look for in a top? Like if a guy, from what
I hear in the King community, there's a lot of,
um, not just guys, right? You could be a top,
could be a female, could be male, could be, right?
So a lot of tops say, oh, yeah, I'm a master
at this, or I'm a top, or I'm a dominant. And
I hear a lot of subs say, nah, he don't know
what he's doing. So what are you looking for
in a top that, whether it be male or female,
that you're looking for something that says he's
going to be a good experience? To be knowledgeable,
to be able to explain to me what they are going
to do, to be able to ask me what I would like
for them to do, because that tells me that they
at least know what they're doing. And so then
in talking with them, you know, be able to get
that sense of. Like I said, knowledge, but then
the safety and the security within that. There's
still a certain level of trust. So, like, obviously
my level of trust with him is much greater than
with anybody else. But Eve has vlogged me. So
there is that sense of trust with her that I
knew that I was good with her. Yeah. So I practice
shibari. I've been practicing that for about
three years now. And I agree with you. If somebody's
not asking a boy, do you have any joints that
we have to look at, right? Where are the places
that are sensitive? Do you have any? Some people,
if I'm going to put you in a contortionist position,
you have back problems. You have aches and pains
here, right? Flexibility issues. Flexibility
issues, right. If they're not asking those things,
I know at least you don't have. I wouldn't call
myself a master or like an expert at it yet,
especially in the suspension. side of it, but
I know if you're not asking those important questions,
then you have a lot more to learn. Now, the switch.
That is the thing that fascinates me the most,
man. Because to me, it's a mode. As a dominant
person in general, I own businesses. I'm the
head of my household. I like to run things. I
like to direct things. I'm in that mode all the
time. And I'm not at the stage where I kind of
need to get away from that just yet. So it's
weird to me to switch that mode. How do you do
it? It's definitely a power dynamic type of thing.
I don't submit to somebody I have no respect
for. There's a respect factor. There's a trust
factor. I don't bottom for very many people.
And everybody here could probably attest to that.
If anything, it shocks people when I do bottom.
because I just don't do it. But that shows a
level of respect that I have for the person that's
topping me or that is my dominant or whatever
the case is. I didn't come into the lifestyle
as a switch. I came in like re, where I was just
like, nah, I don't want to do anything. I want
to sit here, I want to look pretty, and you're
going to do stuff to me. But I am dominant in
my everyday life and everything that I do. And
so eventually I... In my effort to want to help
my dominant in this type of space, I was like,
oh, well, you know, I could hit some people with
some stuff. And then I liked it. My partner now,
every time he introduces me, he says, this is
evil. And I'm like, no, no, Eve. I'm real nice,
I swear. I don't know. She's got a look on her
face at some point that would make you think
otherwise, honestly. People have to come and
find out. But I eventually evolved. I had the
evolution. Not everybody has that, and that's
okay. But I evolved in that space here at Splash
Mocha where I learned, man, I really like manipulating
people's bodies and making them be like, ooh,
I kind of like that. And they didn't even know
they would like that. And so that's what I get
off on. Now that's what I get off on. We do a
little pre -negotiation because I don't know
a lot of the people that I'm out here slapping
up or playing with my hands or pulling hair on
the bench. I don't know most of them. So I like
to talk to them a little bit. Hey, do you have
any medical conditions I need to be aware of?
Are we on blood thinners, contusions? Do you
have any fractured ribs? That's kind of important
to know. Oh, you have stitches? Oh, wow. Because
sometimes what I do, you know, is sexual in nature.
There's no penetration or anything like that.
But I'm touching you in a real sensual way. And
that might pull on some skin. And if you've got
stitches, girl, we can't play like that. Because
I don't want you bleeding. But, yeah, for me,
it was an evolution. And it's a respect factor
if somebody's going to top me or be a dominant
for me. What are you looking for in that area?
Especially now you're pointing out respect. What
are you looking for that you can respect in a
talk? Somebody has their shit together. I move
real slow when I look at partners. And I really
watch for a while because I want to see how people
move. Because you can watch somebody from the
corner of the room and be like, I don't know
how I felt about that. and some people will turn
me off. They didn't even know they turned me
off. But I just, I like to, I move slow, especially
when it's me that's on the bottom. I'll move
real slow. And then if it's like a bottom, you
know, I just kind of have to pay attention to
their body at that point. Body language is so
important. Your body tells on you before your
mouth ever will. Facts. Very true. So we have
some people in the audience here. Anybody want
to ask any questions? That's what they're here
for, to kind of... educate you on how this part
of the lifestyle works and, you know, what we
do here and any kind of questions that people
might have when they're, you know, getting into
it. It's ironic that Tim walked in because we
had just finished talking about you. Were your
ears burning? Yeah, we just finished talking
about you. No? Okay. Now, I got a question for
Eve. Is there a time where you have topped and
bottomed in the same night in the same dungeon?
Yeah. Are you talking about like at the same
time? Not at the same time, but like, you know,
you'll top somebody and then you'll switch and
be the bottom that same night. Last night. Yeah,
I was in here last night. My partner was in here.
He beat me over there on that bench. My legs
are too short for that, so now we know that.
And then right after, I had some people that
know me came up and were like, can you do something
like that to me? And I was like, hell yeah. And
I was high. I was like, this is great. Like being
beaten or being the bottom gives you this high
that they call subspace. And that's where I was
last night. I was in that subspace. I kind of
came down from it a little bit. And then I was
like, oh, I'm ready. I've got energy. And my
style is very sensual. So I use a lot of my body.
I use a lot of my hands. I don't use very many
implements. I grab hair, I might put a hand around
your neck, but we negotiate all of that too.
I make sure, hey, are you okay if I put my hands
on you? Are you okay if I put my hand around
your neck because I don't want to trigger anything,
right? Are you okay if I pull your hair? Those
can be triggers for some people. For me, it's
fun. Don't get me wrong. But for some people,
those can be triggers. So, yes, I have definitely
done that on multiple occasions. It's great when,
I love it when Eve is in here because you get
to see a contrasting style. I am, like she said,
she's a lot more hands -on, and I use a lot more
implements. I do a lot with my floggers. I will
do some touching and stuff like that, but there
is a huge contrast in the two. Yeah, our styles
are definitely different, but great. That's the
beautiful part. And there's also, you know, there's
some men that come in that want to be a bottom,
and they may have an issue being a bottom for
another man. So we, you know, especially if he's
here, we're like, if that's really what you want,
like, when she comes back, she'll be back, like,
you know, and they're a little more comfortable
being a bottom as a male, you know, for her.
Yeah, I have two men lined up for tonight, actually.
Yeah, I love it. It's great when she's in here.
It really is good. Tim, you got to say something,
man? I just have a question to ask if there are
any questions. I would say that currently it
sounds like each one of you are in your position
that feels right, top, bottom, whichever. Are
there any times where you guys reevaluate your
position and say, you know, is this best for
me? Or how do you stay open to life? growing
and evolving into something else, like just being
open for the possibilities. You know, man, it's
like Eve said. I've always been a naturally type
of dominant personality. You know what I mean?
I've always been, like in college, I was voted
captain. You know, I've always been, like at
work, I say, hey, let's do this. You know, I'm
kind of out in the front leading everything.
You know, so I'm not really. as interested in
becoming a bottom or a switch. I like that lead
role. Just like she said, she likes that submissive
side. I like that dominant part of it. It's just
in my nature to be a dominant, leading type of
person. So I really don't have an interest to
be a bottom. And for me, in my everyday life,
I am like Eve. I am. Alpha. I am in charge of
everything. I've raised my children by them by
myself for most of their lives. And and I make
all the decisions. And, you know, so I'm I'm
dominant in every other aspect of my life. So
when it comes to the relationship side, the lifestyle,
the kink side, I'm just a bottom. That's just
all I am. And and so for for Eve, when she said,
you know, she gets pleasure of being able to
manipulate somebody's body and make it do something
they didn't know they might even like. For me,
just to be in here and watch that happen. So
that's where I get off, is being able to watch
either one of them make that happen for somebody
else's body. There's a lot of people that are
like that, too. They're in charge. When I first
started getting into kink and the first time
I picked up floggers, I remember there was a
girl who she wanted me to be dominant. And again,
I was just... coming into and learning all of
this. And I didn't understand it at all. And
she said basically the same thing. She said,
I am the boss at work. I am a single mother.
I run everything. So when I get into the ethical
non -monogamous part of it, I want to be completely
dominated. And there's a lot of people, I mean,
my cuckolding group, there's a lot of people
that are like that in there, you know, that is
their release for that, you know, to be. the
submissive side, away from everything else in
their life. I love that part because the cucks
that I first got involved with were very high,
either high security clearance or very high up
in corporate America or military. And these are...
On the outside world, you would call them alphas,
right? These are domineering men who have not
only a personality presence, like not only you
know when they walk into the room, their personality
shines the same as you, but their physical presence
is there. But seeing them in the room and, you
know. caged or tied up you know and and their
significant other is just barking orders and
and it it's amazing to me so uh you you you've
talked about uh negotiations so um tell me either
one anybody who wants to jump in on this one
tell me how you what you're looking for in that
negotiations are you just i know you're looking
for like okay you know what are your aches and
pains what are your do's and don'ts but are you
going beyond that are you looking for anything
beyond that or you just want to know hey what
are the things that you want me to do and not
do and then i'm going to work with that um when
i'm doing a negotiation with somebody i don't
know and it's in this setting as opposed to like
a kink setting it's very different because if
i'm in like a bdsm dungeon we're definitely probably
pre -negotiating for up to weeks depending on
the type of play we're doing And in a BDSM dungeon,
play does not necessarily mean sexual contact.
Like penetration doesn't typically happen in
those types of settings. And so here it's a little
different because I don't know the person that's
coming. It's considered pickup play. They'll
see maybe me working on somebody or they'll see
Craig working on somebody. And they'll come up
and they'll be like, can you do that to me? And
I'll be like, I could do something like that
to you. We could try. And I'll come and I'll
set them up, and right before we get on there,
I'll ask them, hey, do you have any medical conditions
that I need to be aware of? Do you take any blood
thinners? Because I don't want them to wake up
the next morning and they've got bruises everywhere
with my handprints on them. Some people like
that, some people don't. Are you okay if we leave
marks on your body? Maybe because bruising will
happen. Are you okay if I put my hands on you,
if I lay my body on you? Can I put my hand around
your neck? Can I put my hand in your hair? And
then sometimes what I'll do, a lot of people
will be, I'll be like, what are your limits?
And they'll be like, oh, no, you can do anything.
I'll be like, girl, let me go get some scissors.
We better have a good time. I'll be like, you
know what? When they give me that type of response,
I'm like, what do you not want me to do? Because
that's a good indicator. Is there anywhere you
don't want me touching? And most of the time
I don't touch genitals at all. I don't touch,
you know. Female genitalia, depending on the
person, and if I know them well enough, I might
touch their breasts. But we got people in here
that come out squirting, and I haven't touched
their genitals, and that is the high. Ooh, that
feeling is real good. But that's typically what
my negotiation will look like. Nice. See, I passed
it to Eve, and one thing I say, and they can
attest I said it yesterday, is that in this setting,
I'm only in here from 10 to 2. You know, and
there's a lot of people that come through here.
You know, a lot of people there. I mean, there's
days where I think in Houston, somebody said
there was like 70 people up in there. And I don't
get a chance to go through a full negotiation
and a full scene with somebody. You know, if
I do that, then there's a lot of people that
are not going to come back in the dungeon because
they never had an opportunity to do something.
So it's like I waited in line for two hours for
you. So I tell people it's a shorter journey.
So a lot of times, and because I'm not as physical
with things as she is, it's, okay, I'm going
to do this. Are you okay? Have you been flogged
before? No? Okay, well, relax. I'm good at reading
your body language. Speak up if I do something
that you're not happy with. I can usually tell
from your body language, but if there is something
that you did not like or something that triggers
you, yeah, say. I didn't like that. Turn around
and let me know so I know not to do that again
or to tone it down some. But it's a journey,
man. I take people from here and I have to bring
them up here really quickly because I don't have
the time. And then I don't have the time for
aftercare the way that I want to or should be
doing because I bring them up so fast, I bring
them back down kind of, I wouldn't say as quick.
You know, because you still have to be conscious
of a lot of things. But it's a quicker journey.
So because of the environment in here, I have
to be different. So I'm not allowed to have those
negotiations like they have. Now, if you come
in here, you will see Eve and you'll see Tim.
Tim comes in a lot. And you'll see them sit on
the floor for 20, 30 minutes before they work
on somebody. I just don't have the time to do
that. While I'm sitting there talking, there's
people in the dungeon just sitting around looking.
And now they lose interest in how they lead.
So I have to keep things kind of moving in here.
Nice. I like that. Barbell, as far as negotiations
from a subs perspective or a bottoms perspective,
what are you looking for? What do you want to
hear your top ask you or how they approach you
or how they... Do the whole negotiations part.
I think my favorite thing is what Eve just said
a second ago. What do you not want me to do?
Because as a sub, as a true bottom, I can answer
that a whole lot easier than I can answer what
I want you to do to me. Because, I mean, I'll
try anything once, you know, and maybe again.
And it's just, maybe it takes twice just to make
sure. Maybe the first person didn't do it right.
And so because of that, I know there are certain
things that are, that's a no. So I can easily
answer what I don't want you to do to me. But
I can also, if there are certain things that
I've, again, I'll kind of try anything. So if
there's something that a top wants to do to me
that I don't, I've never had done. tell me what
you're wanting to do with me. You know, and describe
that to me. And let me make a choice. Do I want
to try that or do I not want to try that? So,
again, that goes back to that knowledge. You
know, like Eve said, somebody that's got their
shit together. Like, you know, I need you to
be. asking me what my triggers are, you know,
and what I'm OK with and what I'm not OK with.
Those things are easier to answer than what do
you want me to do? You know, so again, more what
do you not want me to do? That's those are some
hard answers that you can just boop, boop, boop.
We check those off, you know, move on through
that negotiation. Nice. I don't know if you want
to answer this as well, but Eve, will you go
through? the different implements that you are
going to use on them. Like when I walk in and
I show somebody they may not have been in here
before, I say, hey, here's my floggers. Here's
what I use. This is made of this. Do you like
this? But this is probably what I'm going to
use. I don't. I like that sensory deprivation
piece where it's an adventure. We're going on
an adventure. It's a trust thing, too. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, because, and I'll tell them, I'll be like,
I'm not here to cause you pain. I'm here to cause
you 100 % pleasure. Some of that might be through
a little bit of pain. Now, if I'm going to work
with somebody that's maybe like a heavy masochist
that they want to be beaten, I'll show them certain
implements. Because if I'm going to hit you that
hard with it and that's what you want and you
get pleasure out of that, yeah, I'm probably
going to show you the heavy ones that are over
there and tell you this is one of the things
I'm going to work on using on you. So in this
particular setting, no, I'm not showing them.
I usually just use three little things. A nice
soft flogger that's back there, a soft paddle
that's back there with a real cold handle that's
real nice when your ass is on fire. Yes. And
then one other thing I might find that might
be interesting on somebody. But other than that,
I don't really use very many other implements
but my hands and my body. Yeah, definitely for
me, each... occurrence is going to be different.
I'm going to, it depends on the bottom and what
is happening at that time and that day and that
specific thing for the bottom. If I feel that
the, there's a lot of anxiety for the bottom
and this is really like one of their first times.
then I may go to the point where I am explaining
and showing out one of the tools and implements.
However, if that anxiety is so high where more
information is not good, then I'll cut it short
and I'll be like, it's going to be okay, we're
going to do this, we're going to do this, and
I'll just work through the process. So it depends
on what their level is. And each person has a
different thing that they do, the way they live
their life. For some people, more information
makes them... more comfortable because they have
the information and here's a here to here to
here and they can play now and vice versa but
for the other person so it really depends on
the scenario um i started out last night with
a process and it made the it helped i felt like
it helped the bottom like okay here's what we're
going to do and here's the thing and okay all
right now let's do this thing let's do this thing
and another person was like oh but like this
like this i'm like this i was like all right
sure we can do that you know that never got there
because the this scene changed and we were moving
and pivoting during the scene change but it was
their comfort level so stereotypically as I identify
as the top stereotypically bottoms are looking
to be led and are looking to have more of the
process catered for them you know so asking them
questions about the scene is like contrary to
what some bottoms are looking for, you know,
more of just laying out the process and having
more of a direction and then building that direction.
You say left, and you maybe go a little bit right,
but you start somewhere, and then I like to interact,
and then as the bottom is leaning the other way,
then go the other way, kind of just flow with
the process, but start off something and then
be able to say. the things that they don't like
oh you don't like this okay so we'll put that
way over there and you don't know about this
well this is not that let me try that and then
gauge that temperature and go from there so pulling
out all of the tools is fun for some people but
then it is it is not something that i do most
often because i have so many tools and it's so
many different things and you're only going to
use a certain amount of stuff going on you know
for sure So for those of us who have not been
here there, if you walk into this room, there
are several. What do you guys what's the name
you're using for? I call them instruments of
pleasure. What's the name you guys call it? For
the implements? Implements. Implements. So when
you walk in here, there's a whole table full
of different kind of floggers and other implements.
Yeah, talk to me about that. Yeah, talk to me
about that. So, again, I mostly use floggers.
So I've got different ones all the way from...
And as I said, if there's somebody that is new
to all of this, I'll go through and say, hey,
this is made out of finger floggers that are
made of lambskin. And then I've got some that
go all the way up as rough as bison. And then
I'll show them the different levels and show
them this is how I'm going to build up. But again,
as he said, I mean, this is mostly for the people
that are new to the experience, just to show
them, hey, this is really soft. And then sometimes
I'll say, I don't want to try that. Okay, you
ain't got to try it, but, you know. But so, again,
it goes all the way from light all the way up
to really coarse and stiff. And some of it can
be kind of deceiving, too, because I have a couple
pieces that are really thick. And what we say
is it's a thuddy feel to it. But it's really,
it sounds violent, but it's not violent. It's
a... big, strong, heavy sound. And with the one,
I think it's made out of bison or buffalo. And
it's really thick and heavy. So when I hit, I
mean, you hear, bam! It's a big, heavy sound.
And sometimes when I hit them, when I strike
them, you'll see their whole body jump forward.
But then they're like, oh, I kind of like that.
It's a different feeling. And then the ones that
are smaller, they're more stingy. And, you know,
just the different feelings of them. But then
I've got one over there. It's kind of deceptive.
So I try to tell people, I try to keep my eye
on them because it's made out of like a paracord.
But in the middle, there's chain. So you get
people that grab it and start swinging. I'm like,
hey, hey, calm down. Why would you do it? And
then I show them, they're like, oh. So, I mean,
it's a wide range of different things. And as
Tim just said, I don't even get to use everything
on my table. You know, I have my favorite pieces,
and especially for a 10, 15 -minute session,
I'm using a bunch of, you know, mainly the same
ones. But then for cool down, I have a flogger
that's made out of rabbit fur. And that's another
one where I can hit you as hard as I want to
hit you, as hard as I could ever hit somebody.
And you'll hear it. But it's rabbit fur, and
it doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt at all. And
then to calm people down, I have rabbit fur gloves
with some spikes in them, which is a lot different
sensation. And then once I get people up and
have their blood flowing and everything, I've
got a pair of chain floggers. And they're sitting
in ice. No, you didn't see it. Chain. Floggers.
Got a pair of floggers made of chain. And they're
sitting in ice. And you just rub that across
people. And like Eve said, you know, that different
sensation, man. You see people going through
all sorts of stuff. Yeah, when you've got their
body all warmed up and their skin is all red
and you can touch it and you can feel that heat.
And then you take that cold and put on there.
It is like it's a whole different experience.
Ooh, y 'all got me going. Feel that heat, too,
man. Once I get a really good session with somebody,
like 15 minutes later, you can still feel heat
coming off of their ass. It's a great feeling.
It's like you want to see them do that Tom and
Jerry cartoon where he gets on fire and just
sits on the ice and has nothing around him. Because
that ass is on fire. That butt is on fire, man.
Temperature play is so fun and deceiving. People
are like, oh! Wow. And that gasp and it's everything
to feel them and see them. See their whole body.
Yeah, I've seen it. And it is the word that you
wouldn't think you use in kink to me that is
so much there is seductive. Yes, yes. It is so
seductive. It is. My finger floggers, so I've
got floggers. Most floggers you see has a handle
on them. Mine, there's a couple that I have where
they attach through my fingers. There's a little
loop on the end, and I swing them, and I can
get to, like John Wayne with his six -shooter
swinging them through the air and doing all sorts
of stuff, you know. And I've had people comment
on how I handle the floggers and do that. It
is rhythmic, and people love and enjoy watching
me work like that. Yeah, yeah, trust me. I've
seen people in the audience, and, you know, you
hear people whispering to each other, and they're
like, oh, my goodness. It sounds like it's a
journey. It sounds like you're taking them, and,
you know, the audience can't see, but, you know,
from a low point to a much higher point. And
it seems to me that you guys, after... the experience
that you have, you start knowing where to take
them to get to the next level. Yes. Right. And
that's about reading body language. That's about
reading the person. How does the couple come
involved? How does this whole, let's say a, a,
a male female come in and the, and the, and the
females in the bottom position and the husband's
a cuck or a stag and he wants to see his significant
other go through this. Are you interacting with
him as well and kind of seeing what he wants
to see? Or is it all really about the person
that you're? Me personally, it's about me and
that person who I'm flogging. Because, again,
if I'm paying attention to something else, I
may miss a body clue. That, you know, I'm flogging
her and she may react and I miss it now because
I'm paying attention to him. Now, what I have
done is I flog people and have their significant
other sit in front of them and watch. And I actually
had one couple. They I flogged her and she got
so turned on and he came up to me the next day.
He sat there and watched her, watched her body
reaction, watched her face. And they. started
holding hands and they connected and he came
down the next morning he was like man thank you
so much for that we went upstairs and we fucked
like crazy it was it was unreal he said thank
you so much for that so i've done that to where
you know um they've connected but i haven't really
interacted with that person because my focus
and I tune out everything that's around. I have
to be locked in to her. I have a girlfriend of
mine though that he, when she comes in and he
flogs her, she wants me to sit there in front
of her and hold her hand and rub her face. But
then she also does it for me when he's flogging
me. And, you know, to, to get that, there's times
that I need that, you know, that connection with
somebody else there too. So it's, it's a different,
it's a different connection, you know, when you
need somebody there, especially with him, because,
you know, he, he can take me through. All sorts
of emotions, you know. And again, he still needs
to be reading me. And to have somebody there
for the other part of it that I need is always
nice. For me, it depends. Because, for example,
last night, I have a lot of couples that will
come in and the husband just wants to watch me
vlog or do whatever it is that I'm going to do.
He just wants to watch me do it to her. And that's
the turn on for him. You know, beautiful woman
doing all of these really sensual, like naughty
things to his wife or his partner. And he's just
sitting there watching from like the sideline,
kind of peeping on the corner and just doing
his thing, you know. And then there are some
couples that I'll be like, hey, did you want
to be a part of this? Like I can give you a certain
instruction and this will be your post while
we're playing. And so there is a couple that
I have in mind right now. Every time that I work
her on a station on one of the benches, I'll
tell her husband, hey, I want you to come up
here and I want you to say some nasty, dirty
stuff to her. And I want you to pull her hair
when you think you should be pulling her hair.
And I want you to put a hand around her throat,
but firm every once in a while. And I'll see
them up there and I'll kind of listen to what's
going on and I'll see what's happening and I'll
flow off of whatever is going on with him. And
what he's doing to her and making sure that he's
turning her on and he's not turning her off.
Because that's something that I have to watch
out for, too. Like, I'm here to give you pleasure,
baby. Pleasure is our birthright. So I want to
be able to give that to you. And sometimes it
will depend. Some husbands want to. Some husbands
don't. Some husbands don't even know that they
want to. So it really just depends. I love that.
I love that. So you guys are looking at how they're.
like vibing with each other as a couple you're
looking at how you know their experience level
right how much they know you're looking at body
language you're looking at all those things to
kind of see where i can get that where they're
starting at and how i can get them to where i
want them to be talk to me about subspace so
i i have to admit i think it's something that
i don't understand um so In Shibari, subspace,
a lot of times, they're almost there when you
start restraining them. And it's a long process.
But it seems to me that impact play and other
things like that, there's a point of subspace.
But I'm probably getting ahead of myself. So
talk to me about subspace. What is it to you?
And describe the feeling, you know, that when
you're in subspace, what is it and how does it
feel to be in that? I don't know, thinking, state
of being? I don't know. I'm not thinking. I'm
not. I mean, when I'm in subspace, and especially
with him, not really so much here. I mean, it's
happened in the dungeon here a time or two. But
for me, like, I'm not, I don't hear other people
around me. I don't even hear the music anymore.
And, you know, there's always music in here.
I don't. I don't feel, you know, with your body,
you can feel things moving around you and coming.
I don't feel anything except him and where he's
at. So I am totally not thinking. It is all just
feeling. It is what I'm feeling at that point.
And so then, you know, when he does bring me
down, I will, my whole body will shake. I mean,
there's been times I get off the bench and I
have to be laid down on a table or on the floor
and covered up. That's aftercare, right? Yes,
and covered up and brought water because it takes
me some time to learn, like, regain my bearings
of where I am. So, yeah, I'm not thinking when
I'm in subspace. It's all about what I'm feeling.
It's a euphoric state. You know, you just...
I don't know if I've not experienced a subspace.
I mean, we have a top space, but I mean, it's
kind of like consciousness. I'm being unconscious
while you're conscious. Oh, damn. I mean, I mean,
we've got one other philosopher. We've all, we've
all kind of, yeah, we've all kind of had some
sort of subspace where you're, like I said, you're
consciously unconscious. I mean, Eve probably
could explain it a little bit better, but I think
you're conscious of things that are around you,
but you kind of lose control of things. And you
sense things, but it's like you just lose, not
control, but it's harder for you to control your
being because you have this state of euphorism.
That's a word. State of euphoria. Yeah, because
for me to be moved from the bench to the table,
I can't do that on my own. Yeah, you get them.
They get deer -legged, man. I can't take myself
from one point to another. There have been times
they hand me water, and it's just like, I can't.
Hands are shaking and everything. It's definitely
a body high. uh from the bottom perspective subspace
is definitely a body high top space is a little
different um subspace is you know you're you're
literally floating that's why we call it space
because it's like you're floating through space
and you're just like this being and you're there
and i know that that sounds real metaphysical
and weird but it's true because you're out there
you're floating Yes, you get deer legs. That's
why, you know, we'll take people off of these
benches and we help them into a seat because
they typically cannot stand. And what we do here
is really just little demos. You know, 10, 15
minutes. We're giving them these feelings so
quickly. And then we're setting them off into
the playrooms. Go do something fun. Go do something
nasty. Yeah. You know, it's literally like being
in a really soft hammock for a little while and
your body just feels real good. You know, you
feel the heat on your ass or you feel it wherever
it is that you're feeling it. You still sometimes
feel the tingles on your skin from whatever it
was that they were using. You know, temperature
play, all of that stuff. And it's just a really
nice meditative almost state. Nice. Well, we're
coming up on time here. Is there anything I didn't
cover you guys want to talk about or, you know,
experiences that you like to see when you guys
are in here? I mean, the only thing I like, again,
I like seeing people turned on to the craft.
You know, I love it when someone new comes in.
I've had people pull me over in the pool or outside,
say, I want to try it. I want to come in. You
know, just come in. I love. And again, this is
part of the reason why I don't do heavy impact
because people already have a sense that this
is going to be painful. It's going to hurt. And
I love turning them on to where they say, wow,
it doesn't hurt. It's this. I kind of like this.
You know, I like how it felt. And then I'm trying
to describe it. It's it's a good feeling to have
people turned on to this and have them do a 180
from. No, there was a girl. several years ago
who I went to a house party of a friend of mine
and she saw me with the floggers and she goes,
you stay away from me. And she saw me flog some
people. She saw me flog some people at the end
of the night. She goes, she looks, she goes,
Hey, come here. And we were staying in the same
hotel. And that night, I went over to her room
and flogged her. We had a great time, but she
was turned on by it after that. That is what
I love more than anything, to see people turned
on. to a new kink that they may not have known
that they liked or, you know, or changing a person's
opinion where, you know, they've had a bad experience.
They were somewhere and somebody walked up to
them and fire out. They get hit with something,
you know, and they're like, I didn't like that.
I'm like, well, he never should have done that
to you. He was wrong for doing that. You know,
so that is what I love more than anything is
turning people on to. to this new experience
and then them gaining i've had people text me
hey man i need this where can i get a couple
floggers where would you recommend i get something
like that that is what i like more than almost
anything yeah i agree with that that's i think
that's mostly what we're all after at that point
is just being able to like i said i want to manipulate
somebody's body and be like oh you didn't know
you were gonna like that did you i love that
i love that um and if i was going to give anybody
advice Just like I was saying to Reed, try anything
twice. Try everything twice. Try it once. You're
still scared. You don't know what to expect.
Now, after you've tried it once, there are some
things that you're going to be like, nah, I'm
never going to do needles. Don't come over here
with that. I'm good. But there are some things
that you'll be like, you know what? That wasn't
so bad. And now you know what to expect. And
maybe with a different person, it'll be even
better. So that's why, you know, there are certain
things I don't like, but I'd be willing to try
it with certain people. Just because maybe they
do it different. Like me. I do it different.
So what I always tell people, even in the vanilla
world, try anything twice. Well, and I think
we said yesterday in our seminar, somebody asked,
what advice would you give somebody walking in
to this dungeon for the first time? And my biggest
thing is come in with an open mind. Be curious.
Because, like I said, even if you're just stepping
in the door so you can see what this room looks
like at night when the lights are all off and
the music's on and you can see what people are
coming and doing in here. And then maybe you
come back again and you're seeing different scenes
going on in here. So each time you're coming
through, you're getting a little bit more of
information. And if you come into this with an
open mind of, let me just see what it's about,
then you have room to go somewhere with that.
Whereas if you come in to this room like, oh,
I'm never going to do this, but I need to go
see what this looks like. You kind of limit yourself
in the space that you have to go from that point.
Right. So just kind of open yourself up and,
you know, be open and let a kind of experience
come your way and see where it takes you. Did
you guys want to give your social media or handles
or how can they get in touch with you if they
want to ask you any questions or see what kind
of flogger they want to buy or anything like
that? I am almost on everything. Missed the East
Coast. M -I -S -S -D -A, East Coast. So, Missed
the East Coast. On, again, almost every site
that I can think of, that's where you can find
me. Nice. And on every site that I'm on, I am
Barbell Vixen. So, Barbell like you would pick
up in a gym, and then Vixen with three X's. Nice.
Nice. And I am Beloved Eve everywhere. So, SDC
and Telegram. Just tell me how you got my information
so I don't think that you're a creep. Because
I'd be like, who are you? What do you want? Go
away. Well, thank you guys for being on the show.
We appreciate it. I know all of you guys, and
you guys are just amazing people. You know, like
I said, when I first met Mr. East Coast, I was
like, who the fuck is this dude? But, you know,
cool people, easy to talk to, you know, friendly,
but don't play. And that's the kind of people
I like. So, you know, again, this is we're coming
from Splash Mocha, Fort Lauderdale, 2025. You
know, so if you want to go to I think it is SplashMocha
.com if you want any information there. They're
here every one of their locations to have the
dungeon, right? Yes. So, you know, look online.
You can always, if you end up talking to Tina,
ask her questions and she'll, you know, tell
you what she knows. And then there's always things
in the emails and the website if you want any
information. So with that, we're just going to,
you know, get it going. Ended here, and thanks
for all the audience here. Thanks for all the
questions you guys had, and I look forward to
seeing you guys in the next one. We'll be in
Houston, but I think the next one is... Oh, yeah,
so we'll be there. We'll see y 'all. I don't
have Brian here because he usually has this really
nice. Yeah, so anyway, what we're going to do
is the ladies do this. I ain't doing that. I'm
just going to say I'm out of here, y 'all, and
have a good time.