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I remember on my wedding night, I was a virgin.

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My wife was not, because I was already into slutty

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girls. And I remember she was like, are you sure

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this is your first time? Because I always was

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adept at sexual things. This podcast contains

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explicit adult content, mature themes, and candid

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conversations about sex, dominance, power exchange,

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and ethical non -monogamy. It is intended for

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audiences 18 and over only. Listener discretion

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is advised. The views expressed by our guests

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are theirs alone and do not necessarily reflect

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the views or values of the hosts, producers,

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or affiliated brands. The Bull Brotherhood podcast

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is for educational, entertainment, and empowerment

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purposes only. Nothing in this podcast should

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be interpreted as legal advice, medical guidance,

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or psychological counseling. We speak from experience,

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not credentials. Always practice consent, respect

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the boundaries of others, and follow local laws.

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If you're not comfortable with frank talk about

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sex, kink, dominance, or emotional power, this

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probably isn't the show for you. But if you're

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ready to step into your masculine edge and embrace

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a lifestyle that demands mastery, welcome to

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the Brotherhood. Welcome to the Bull Brotherhood

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Podcast, where we talk power, pleasure, and the

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art of dominance in ethical non -monogamy. This

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is not your average lifestyle podcast. This is

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for men who lead, men who master, and men who

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leave a lasting impression. If you're here, you're

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not just curious. You're ready to elevate. So

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to all the bulls, hot wives, stags, and open

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-minded explorers, we see you. Let's go. Ladies

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and gentlemen, good evening and welcome to another

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informative episode of the Bull Brotherhood Podcast.

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I'm the Sigma male himself, Mr. Brian Morgan,

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one third of my podcast team, along with my lovely

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family, the beautiful Siren. Say hello, sweetheart.

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Hello, everyone. And of course, my nephew and

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partner in crime, the ever -loving, the man himself,

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my boy. Say hello, dog. What's good, y 'all?

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What's good? Hello, hello. And his name is Socrates.

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Ladies and gentlemen, tonight we have a brother

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coming to us from the city of angels, Los Angeles.

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He refers to himself as the sapiosexual black

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bull. He's mostly dominant, hella primal by nature,

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enjoys the cuckold hot wife as well as the hot

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wife vixen and stag lifestyle, adept in various

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dom and sub dynamics. He's entered the BDSM as

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well as the Dom Sub Power Dynamic and Shibari

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Rope Tying as well. I mentioned in talking to

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him about this. He's also one of the founders

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of a group of hung -fit black bulls in the L

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.A. area called the Four Horsemen. A particular

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depth in the wide spectrum called race play.

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We're damn sure going to talk about that. which

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includes B, BNWO fantasies, and a myriad of other

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racial kinks, including recent forays into interracial

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sex magic. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the

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Bull Brotherhood, again from the City of Angels,

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the man himself, Pagan. What's going on, brother?

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What's going on, my people? I am excited to be

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on the Bull Brotherhood podcast. Long -time listener.

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First -time guest, what's going on? Hey, man,

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it's your world. It is your world. It is definitely

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a pleasure to have you up here. Socrates and

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myself have wanted you up here for quite some

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time. We know you are a very, very busy man,

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so thank you. Thank you for allotting some time

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tonight to be on the Bull Brotherhood. It's a

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pleasure, and I'm very grateful to get a chance

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to be here. I really believe in you guys' ethos,

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your mission statement of doing what we can.

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as gentlemen who have experience to pass it on.

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make it easier for the next generation so thank

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you i appreciate it all right all right well

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look we're gonna kick it off uh i'm i'm i'm definitely

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excited because i really want to know the origin

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of the of the sapiosexual one i love saying that

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i really do i really do love saying that there's

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not many brothers that i can like get that out

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of you know when they say hey i'm i'm into that

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sapiosexual you know i know you want to get inside

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somebody's somebody's head so i mean just just

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this just let's just kick it off i mean give

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me your give me your like origin like where you

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live you know how did you get into this lifestyle

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etc etc yeah so i didn't always live in l .a

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i lived in a smaller town and i was raised really

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religious i was raised kind of cloistered your

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friends were in the religion you don't really

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hang out with people outside of it you marry

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in the religion it was very cloistered you know

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basically fundamentalist christian and so That

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was an interesting upbringing. I would never

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change it for the world. I think a lot of why

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I'm successful in the lifestyle, ironically,

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comes from that background and that training

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I had. But that said, I was a virgin when I was

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22 years old and got married. So that's how tight

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I was in that religion. And then after about

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six, seven years, I just realized that I not

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only was questioning the religion that I was

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in. But I was also questioning my decision to

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get married that young because that's just what

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you did if you wanted to have sex in my religion,

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which is not a great reason, I think, for people

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to get married. So, yeah. So I had to break ties

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with my marriage and my religion at the same

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time, which was seismic because I was born in

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this. All of my friends were in it, my whole

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infrastructure. And I was basically just... overnight

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outside of that so that was when however i found

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this new tribe i started getting interested in

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the lifestyle i was always very sexual i remember

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on my wedding night i was a virgin my wife was

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not because i was already into silly girls and

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i remember she was like are you sure this is

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your first time because i've always was adept

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at sexual things so cut to i'm now divorced and

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i'm free and i'm unfettered So I started delving

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into the lifestyle. I remember the first thing

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I went to was a party that would now be called

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content creating. But back then it was damn near

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dial -up probably. So it was just a woman with

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a camera in the room that would put it on later.

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But it was like maybe 12 guys and me in a room.

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That was like the first thing I was invited to

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as a single male. And that's the kind of things

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you jump on. You didn't go to like Tinder or

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something first? You were just like, boom, I'm

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doing lifestyle. Oh, I should clarify. Like,

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I've been in the lifestyle for over 20 years.

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So there was no Tinder. There was no, you know,

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this is back when people were in chat rooms and

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stuff like that. But yeah, it was definitely

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like a dive right in type thing. And pretty soon

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after that, I started saying, I want to create

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a party that's like a little more high end than

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what I'm going to. So I started like coaching

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people from each one I went to, the high quality

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guys, the high quality couples, women. And then

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I started making my own parties. And that's when

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I started the Four Horsemen, which was just me

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and a few other guys that I knew were high quality,

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that I knew could be in a group, could be cool

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together after a few drinks. All the things that

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we look for in quality men. I started doing that

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a long time ago, finding quality bulls. I didn't

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even know the term bull at the time. But that's

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what I started doing, putting parties together

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for the Four Horsemen and ladies that appreciated

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us. So that's kind of my way. I love that name,

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the Four Horsemen. I love it. But, you know,

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the reason why I picked that name is because,

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number one, the number four is in it, which means

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don't ask me for 12 guys or 15 guys or, you know.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also, you know, I just

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think it fucking sounds cool. Yeah, it is. It

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is. It really is. You said that you were always,

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you were always sexual. When did that, like,

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when did that start? Like, what age did you start,

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like, embracing your, you know, your sexuality,

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your being horny all the time, stuff like that?

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Yeah, it's interesting. That's a good question.

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The first thing that popped in my head isn't

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going to probably fucking crack you up a bit,

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but, like, the first thing that popped in my

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head is a seminal, literally seminal moment of

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remembering seeing linda carter as a wonder woman

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wonder woman every fiber in my being was like

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oh i'm a heterosexual boy like i know like i

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was a little tight but i knew i want that and

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i remember that but later like i was an artist

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and my dad would always catch me you know like

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he was a preacher And he was not happy with me

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sometimes. He would find me making these drawings

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that are, like, not just, like, you know, boobies

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and stuff, like, from a kid. We're talking about,

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like, you know, extremely graphic sexual things

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where there's, like, people around watching people

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fucking. And I'm drawing this shit. Because I

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couldn't, I didn't have access to porn. So I

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was like, I'm making my own. So that's how sexual

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I was at a very early age. But I couldn't do

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it. I wasn't able to delve into it like the normal

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kid when he's going through puberty. I was so

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religious, I didn't get a chance to do it. But

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I was definitely circling at the hotel. Why is

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it that it's the preachers, it's usually the

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PKs, the preacher's kids that are so freaking,

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that are so freaking, I mean, freaks. That's

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all of us, actually. Guilty. Yeah. And you know

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what I think it's related to? Why are there so

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many teachers that are hot wives? The number

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one. And nurses. Structured lives that we have

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to live everywhere else. What you're saying about

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how religion can cause us to really get buck

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wild later, it's not lost on me. There's so many

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of us in the lifestyle. I like that. And I really

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do think that when you push... people down or

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repress them in any way as soon as they get unshackled

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they're going to try to do everything that they

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can to make up for lost time i know that was

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was the case for me like i was jumping right

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in with both feet and it had everything to do

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with being so cloistered and pushed down and

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pressed for so long so yeah i think that's a

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big reason why a lot of us in the lifestyle come

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from that background good deal good deal So I

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want to go back to the sapiosexual aspect of

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it for you. Would you say that that allows you

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to get into a hot wife's head a little easier?

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Or is it something that attracts you more about

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her? Or would it be both? Am I making sense in

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the question? Yeah, absolutely. I would say that

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when it comes to that. We're getting in each

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other's heads. If I'm lucky, you know, she's

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getting into my head, too. There's an aspect

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of it, though, where you're absolutely right.

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Like, I'm getting into her head. I'm turned on

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by intelligence. And that's not just, like, one

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kind of intelligence. That doesn't always mean

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book learning. That means a woman who's, like,

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emotionally intelligent because we make jokes

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all the time. Socrates, like, I call myself a

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robot. You know, I'm more Spock than Kirk, you

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know? i'm a logic based guy and so when i meet

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the yin to my yang and we can talk about this

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too a little later with the sex magic finding

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my compliment intellectually sometimes is not

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about the book smarts it's about emotional quotient

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where woman is teaching me how to delve into

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like my emotional side or my feelings more or

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there's been another version of sapiel for me

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is witchy chicks. Chicks that are able, the way

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I put it is they have antenna that pick up frequencies

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that not all of us pick up. And this is something

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as a robot I used to laugh and scoff at because

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it didn't fit into my ones and zeros in my code.

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But I've experienced too many things now where

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unexplainable, amazing experiences have happened

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to me when I'm around a woman who's witchy intelligent.

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as it were so yeah it's it's it is all brains

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but it's different forms it can take and that

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turns me on yeah yeah i get that wow wow don't

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get me wrong i'll fuck a i'll fuck a dumb chick

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in a second So no need for me to ask you that

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question then, because I was just about to ask

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you. Can't some regular TNA just turn you on?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. No need for that. No, yeah.

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All you dumb girls out there with a big booty

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and a smile, you'll find a place with me. Oh,

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boy. Oh, boy. Sign me up. Oh, my goodness. That's

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what I'm talking about. Not the smart girl sapiosexual

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type. You nailed the format I want to say stuff

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in. And I'm going to practice it. But you nailed

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it, which is like, I like them thick. I like

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them slim thick. But I'll fuck me a skinny bitch

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in a hot second. Like, don't get it twisted.

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That's the best way to describe it. I've been

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struggling for years. And I love that. That's

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the best way to describe it. Like, you thick

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women, please come say hi to me at Splash or

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if you see me in a park. You know who I am. Please,

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but. You, you know, a skinny woman that, that

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we vibing. Oh my goodness. Yes. No problem. Let's

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do it. So I like that. That put me up on game

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right now. Real quick. Oh boy. Tell, tell us

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about how you, how you went about for forming

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the four horsemen and like what do you guys like

00:14:54.659 --> 00:14:56.940
put on, you know, you guys put on parties. Do

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you. Go and see people or what's y 'all's format?

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And what's the measurement? What's the measurement

00:15:03.129 --> 00:15:05.730
requirement? It says hung men. So I want to know

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more about what that means. I see what you did

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there. Yes, yes. To answer the last question

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first, you know, we all know hung means different

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things to different people. I tended to look

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at it as like pretty much eight inches plus would

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be considered hung. But some people say nine,

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some people say 10, some people say seven. Like

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I've seen that, you know. but just that is what

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i mean by that is you're not gonna see any of

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my guys pulling their pants down you're disappointed

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right where they look average or below average

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so that's what i mean by hung is just oh that's

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above average that's kind of what i mean but

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i'm not like really like you know pulling out

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a ruler taking their word for it yeah or you

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know but i've seen these guys and i've been around

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them and the women are commenting on their dick

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so it's not like i'm just doing it blind yeah

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but to answer the The first question, yeah, it

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kind of picks up where I left off with that thing

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in the beginning when I opened up and I was bringing

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in guys. I quickly realized that being a black

00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:11.600
male was my brand. Again, I didn't know what

00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:14.639
a bull was. I didn't know a lot back then. But

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I did know that my specialness was being a black

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male and interracial play was where the sun was

00:16:24.419 --> 00:16:28.240
shining. You can be like a plant or a flower.

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Wherever the sun is shining on you, you can lean

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that way. And the sun was shining towards interracial.

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So that is where I built the brand around. And

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then the guys I would get, like I said, I would

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snipe them. If I go to a party and I see a really

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great dude, super chill, can have a few drinks,

00:16:48.100 --> 00:16:51.970
be cool. he's smart you know he he's got mouthpiece

00:16:51.970 --> 00:16:54.490
all these things i'm like oh i'm gonna see like

00:16:54.490 --> 00:16:57.090
hey you want to join us and the thing that i'm

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doing is bringing them a higher level of woman

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than what we probably were at at that party and

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only that like when i call them they know oh

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yeah i'm down a lot of the times these guys after

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a while they don't even need pictures from me

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they're just like yeah i'm coming so that was

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what i brought to the table and what they bring

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to the table for me is frankly man I had too

00:17:18.190 --> 00:17:22.750
many women for me to handle. So all my lady friends

00:17:22.750 --> 00:17:24.230
that were like, do you have a friend? I'm like,

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absolutely. I got a few friends. What do you

00:17:27.150 --> 00:17:30.970
want to do? So I was able to like be compulsive

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and provide pleasure to women that I was already

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meeting and bring them another experience. So

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that's kind of how I started it. you know only

00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:44.980
a sapiosexual would say compulsive i don't even

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know what that word i don't even know what that

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means no one knows what it means but i love it

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will ferrell quotes yeah yeah you know i know

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you guys have discussed compersion on the podcast

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so i just yeah i just mean like you know when

00:18:01.579 --> 00:18:04.059
you have a lady friend and she asks if you have

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friends And you're able to bring them, like,

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quality guys that give them a great experience.

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I mean, that's the gift that keeps on giving.

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So, yeah. There's that word, nephew. There's

00:18:14.730 --> 00:18:19.150
that word. Quality. Quality. Quality, gentlemen.

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Bulls. Quality. One of my favorite episodes.

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I'm loving it. I'm loving it. I'm absolutely

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loving it. Keep going, man. Y 'all, I'm just

00:18:28.890 --> 00:18:31.609
listening right now. I'm listening to the man

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himself. I'm loving what I'm hearing. Keep going.

00:18:35.769 --> 00:18:38.069
So, so pagan, I'm gonna see if I can get you

00:18:38.069 --> 00:18:41.450
in some trouble. You talk about quality. We got

00:18:41.450 --> 00:18:44.130
ourselves, we, we, we jumped in the pool first.

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We have a whole episode on it. So what would

00:18:47.089 --> 00:18:51.789
you call quality ladies? Right? We, we went dig

00:18:51.789 --> 00:18:55.950
and dug deep into what a quality bull is, but

00:18:55.950 --> 00:18:58.809
we haven't done that part yet. So I'd love to

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hear your definition of a quality lady. a quality

00:19:01.650 --> 00:19:05.589
lady be it hot wife or cuckoldress or you know

00:19:05.589 --> 00:19:10.470
whatever yeah yeah i guess for me quality means

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the first thing that came to my mind when you

00:19:12.470 --> 00:19:17.990
asked that was a woman who knows herself and

00:19:17.990 --> 00:19:23.289
is complete on her own and then everything that

00:19:23.289 --> 00:19:25.789
others are bringing to her be it me as a bull

00:19:25.789 --> 00:19:30.279
her husband or you know kids That's all something

00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:32.559
that's, yeah, that's added to her life. She is

00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:35.819
her own person. I think that people tend to be

00:19:35.819 --> 00:19:37.900
what I would call quality people when they start

00:19:37.900 --> 00:19:40.519
from there. There's a level of self -confidence

00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:43.359
that doesn't bleed over into arrogance. There's

00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:45.579
a level of intelligence, obviously, when it comes

00:19:45.579 --> 00:19:48.460
to quality, I think. But again, intelligence

00:19:48.460 --> 00:19:51.440
does not always look the same. And then I think

00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:56.480
there's also a person who's got a good handle

00:19:56.480 --> 00:19:59.579
on their ego. This is one of the things I've

00:19:59.579 --> 00:20:03.119
learned is most important to me, especially in

00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:05.400
sexual situations, but just in life in general.

00:20:05.460 --> 00:20:07.539
Anybody who doesn't know how to take themselves

00:20:07.539 --> 00:20:11.160
out of the center is not going to create the

00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:13.299
best experiences for the people around them.

00:20:13.420 --> 00:20:15.559
So I look out for that. I look out for people

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who are confident, who own themselves and the

00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:22.319
room they're in and the air that they have, but

00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:25.720
who are also aware that they're not such a much.

00:20:26.190 --> 00:20:28.130
and that are looking to give pleasure to others

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because those are the kinds of things that I

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value. So for me, that's what. Oh, my goodness.

00:20:34.029 --> 00:20:37.470
Well, ladies and gentlemen, lifestyle poetry.

00:20:38.029 --> 00:20:43.789
Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Lifestyle poetry right there.

00:20:43.849 --> 00:20:47.630
Yes. Preach, my brother. Preach. Preach. Oh,

00:20:47.630 --> 00:20:49.609
did I mention that she's also hot as fuck? She's

00:20:49.609 --> 00:20:51.549
hot as fuck. I forgot to mention. She's hot as

00:20:51.549 --> 00:20:54.589
part of quality as well. What if you were blind?

00:20:56.809 --> 00:21:02.950
You would just feel the aura or her hotness.

00:21:03.889 --> 00:21:05.730
Well, I saw that Bray Charles movie. He would

00:21:05.730 --> 00:21:08.970
grab him by the wrist and see how it feels. Exactly.

00:21:09.950 --> 00:21:12.369
He knew if she was fat or she knew if she was

00:21:12.369 --> 00:21:15.230
doing it by the wrist. Exactly. Where would you

00:21:15.230 --> 00:21:18.009
grab someone by, babe? Where would you grab someone

00:21:18.009 --> 00:21:21.329
if you were blind to see? The waist. The waist.

00:21:21.509 --> 00:21:23.990
What about you, Brian? Yeah, I got to wrap the

00:21:23.990 --> 00:21:26.230
arms around him. If I'm hugging a tree, he's

00:21:26.230 --> 00:21:31.710
out of there. If I'm hugging a tree, I can't

00:21:31.710 --> 00:21:35.230
do too much for you. If that waste is kind of

00:21:35.230 --> 00:21:41.049
small there and it might fly out into a V -taper

00:21:41.049 --> 00:21:43.150
and a little hump down there, then we're good

00:21:43.150 --> 00:21:47.309
to go. I agree. You said if I'm hugging a tree.

00:21:48.069 --> 00:21:50.329
Yeah, if I'm hugging a tree, it's off limits.

00:21:50.609 --> 00:21:54.410
Like dry skin? Can't do it. No, not dry skin.

00:21:54.930 --> 00:21:58.690
The size of the tree. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't

00:21:58.690 --> 00:22:02.349
mind. I don't mind. I don't mind. a little thickness

00:22:02.349 --> 00:22:07.089
i don't mind that but i just i just shout out

00:22:07.089 --> 00:22:10.009
to to you know the bbw's out there but i just

00:22:10.009 --> 00:22:13.029
i've haven't had much experience you know with

00:22:13.029 --> 00:22:16.950
the bbw yeah i mean it is what it is socrates

00:22:16.950 --> 00:22:19.910
will take them all off your hands okay everybody

00:22:19.910 --> 00:22:24.809
so just just email me you want to slot with him

00:22:24.809 --> 00:22:29.049
at the next splash all of your beautiful goodness

00:22:30.059 --> 00:22:33.539
And maybe me too. When I was coming up with what

00:22:33.539 --> 00:22:35.660
B was talking about, we used to call it the war,

00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:39.319
the waste -to -ass ratio. Yeah, there you go.

00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:43.960
It could be a big girl and still have that. That's

00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:46.039
what I say. I like hourglass. It could be three

00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:48.980
hours, two hours, one hour. I like hourglass.

00:22:49.180 --> 00:22:53.599
24 hours. 24 hours to get all over that goodness.

00:22:53.740 --> 00:22:58.920
As long as it's hourglass. Half an hour. I tell

00:22:58.920 --> 00:23:02.720
you what I want to dive in. I tell you what I

00:23:02.720 --> 00:23:04.720
want to dive into because I haven't heard too

00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:07.960
many brothers say that they enjoy going this

00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:11.000
route. But you say that you enjoy race play.

00:23:11.140 --> 00:23:15.619
I too. I, too, my brother, enjoy race play. Why

00:23:15.619 --> 00:23:19.180
don't you explain, if the listeners out there

00:23:19.180 --> 00:23:22.640
don't know what exactly race play is, why don't

00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:26.019
you give us your definition of it and how in

00:23:26.019 --> 00:23:29.619
-depth it can go in this lifestyle? Yeah. As

00:23:29.619 --> 00:23:32.700
with many things, definitions vary. My personal

00:23:32.700 --> 00:23:36.849
definition. is kind of it's kind of a simple

00:23:36.849 --> 00:23:40.549
well definition which is if you are incorporating

00:23:40.549 --> 00:23:44.289
race in any way into your play then that's race

00:23:44.289 --> 00:23:48.710
but but there's other people who feel like that

00:23:48.710 --> 00:23:51.089
definition is a little too broad so sometimes

00:23:51.089 --> 00:23:54.000
when you come across race play It involves very

00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:56.619
specific things where they're saying that the

00:23:56.619 --> 00:24:00.640
sexual dynamic is a BDSM thing. It's under the

00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:02.980
umbrella of BDSM. So there's a power dynamic

00:24:02.980 --> 00:24:05.559
at play in some way. And then the catalyst through

00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:08.400
which you're doing that is race. And that can

00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.400
involve everything from items that are racially

00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:16.119
charged to words to other things that involve

00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:20.480
the racial element as being the power exchange.

00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:24.140
So that's kind of the definition that most people

00:24:24.140 --> 00:24:26.200
I think would go by. But I would just say, if

00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:27.579
you're involved in a race and you're playing

00:24:27.579 --> 00:24:30.400
anyway, that's race play. That might be the shallow

00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:33.140
end of the pool, but you're still in the same

00:24:33.140 --> 00:24:36.940
pool with us. Yeah. How far have you taken the

00:24:36.940 --> 00:24:41.700
race play in your time and the lifestyle? I mean,

00:24:41.740 --> 00:24:43.799
and here again, you know exactly what I'm talking

00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:49.539
about too. How far have you taken it? Okay, I'm

00:24:49.539 --> 00:24:52.180
going. I've had, I've had a couple of couples

00:24:52.180 --> 00:24:54.720
that, that asked me, was it okay to go there?

00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:56.859
And I was like, yeah, it's okay to go there.

00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:02.859
And we had a absolute field day with it. Okay.

00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:06.680
You talking about, it's a, it is like, and I

00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:08.019
don't mean to be taking the stage away from you

00:25:08.019 --> 00:25:09.660
right now. I'm gonna get right back to you, but

00:25:09.660 --> 00:25:13.960
it is a, it is a cross between being. extremely,

00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:16.799
extremely horny because you are slightly pissed.

00:25:17.019 --> 00:25:20.359
You know what I mean? Because of the type of,

00:25:20.420 --> 00:25:23.119
you know, because of what you're saying. So it's,

00:25:23.220 --> 00:25:28.160
I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. But tell the fans,

00:25:28.299 --> 00:25:31.059
tell us and the fans how far you've been with

00:25:31.059 --> 00:25:35.519
it so far. Since you are a veteran, you are a

00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:38.299
veteran in this lifestyle. Yeah, I gotta say,

00:25:38.380 --> 00:25:41.460
everything you said resonated with me too, man.

00:25:42.509 --> 00:25:46.809
especially like you you were talking about how

00:25:46.809 --> 00:25:50.309
the couple and they did it right they you know

00:25:50.309 --> 00:25:53.690
they they checked with you first if we can go

00:25:53.690 --> 00:25:56.470
there and you gave them that that green light

00:25:56.470 --> 00:25:59.170
that's you know let's be honest that's what white

00:25:59.170 --> 00:26:01.349
couples need they need a green light they can't

00:26:01.349 --> 00:26:04.109
just jump into it unless they just crazy and

00:26:04.109 --> 00:26:08.099
so once they get that though My answer to your

00:26:08.099 --> 00:26:11.259
question is how far, as far as my imagination

00:26:11.259 --> 00:26:14.440
and their imagination can take us. I've found

00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:16.680
that there's not really anything that I've found

00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:19.680
offensive or I've had aligned, at least that

00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:22.759
I've experienced so far. Once in, I'm all in.

00:26:22.900 --> 00:26:25.960
And that is a wide gamut. A lot of people, I

00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:27.420
feel like when they hear the word race play,

00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:30.359
there's an equal sign in their brain and it goes

00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:32.099
right to, oh, that means you used the N word.

00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:34.579
That's just what they think race play means.

00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:37.930
And it can incorporate that. but it can incorporate

00:26:37.930 --> 00:26:41.910
so much more than that it's not just about one

00:26:41.910 --> 00:26:45.549
thing yeah and so where they're willing to go

00:26:45.549 --> 00:26:48.009
or where they're willing to let me push them

00:26:48.009 --> 00:26:51.430
which is probably mostly more accurate than that

00:26:51.430 --> 00:26:54.990
and i'm always checking in i'm figuring out you

00:26:54.990 --> 00:26:57.329
know you're you're you're figuring out their

00:26:57.329 --> 00:27:00.910
wavelength of comfort and you're also you know

00:27:00.910 --> 00:27:03.569
trying to make sure that you push their limits

00:27:03.569 --> 00:27:06.200
a little bit and touch the edges That's what

00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:08.460
I am usually doing or the role that I usually

00:27:08.460 --> 00:27:11.779
take. And I will go wherever they need to go.

00:27:11.900 --> 00:27:14.519
And what's also interesting to me is what we

00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:16.640
don't talk about a lot of times because we're

00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:21.039
such macho black nails is there's a spectrum

00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:26.000
of race play where also who's in charge. Let's

00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:27.960
say you are using the N -word. How are you using

00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:33.279
it? Is it a submissive? use of it or is it a

00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:36.019
dominant use of it both ways i've experienced

00:27:36.019 --> 00:27:41.000
exactly so same here yeah i've noticed that us

00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.319
brothers don't talk about that submissive side

00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:47.019
because it's not so cool to talk about but behind

00:27:47.019 --> 00:27:50.299
closed doors i'm well aware of how much is happening

00:27:50.299 --> 00:27:52.700
because these couples they ain't doing you know

00:27:52.700 --> 00:27:55.680
doing this with nobody so that is an interesting

00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:57.859
thing about it too it doesn't mean one thing

00:27:57.859 --> 00:28:00.359
race play it can mean whatever you make great

00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:03.000
answer Great answer. I need to see a video. I

00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.420
have nothing else to say. So I can, I am having,

00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:09.200
I don't know how to imagine this. I've heard

00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:12.099
it. Oh, I can send you plenty. Can you send me

00:28:12.099 --> 00:28:14.480
one that's just like an example? Yeah, yeah.

00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:18.920
Pagan, one thing. Is there a race play version

00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:22.220
where I can educate the cuck on black history

00:28:22.220 --> 00:28:24.660
facts while I'm fucking his wife? Oh, absolutely.

00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:28.599
It can be whatever you want. I'm not lying here.

00:28:28.660 --> 00:28:31.599
That's kind of a kink for me. I love black history.

00:28:33.460 --> 00:28:37.240
It's my thing. There's so many, so many cucks

00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:39.400
that would love that dude. Really? Are you serious?

00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:42.839
Don't you? I am not joking. I'm like the ones

00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:46.009
that we've met and interacted with. Like, I'm

00:28:46.009 --> 00:28:48.910
serious. Like, I'm pounding her. Like, did you

00:28:48.910 --> 00:28:50.930
know there was actually a black man that invented

00:28:50.930 --> 00:28:53.190
the light bulb? You know what I mean? Like, for

00:28:53.190 --> 00:28:55.789
real. Like, that cuck doesn't have a choice.

00:28:56.150 --> 00:28:58.009
That cuck doesn't have a choice most of the time.

00:28:58.069 --> 00:28:59.809
They're going to sit in the corner and you can

00:28:59.809 --> 00:29:01.430
say whatever you want to them. And if that's

00:29:01.430 --> 00:29:03.210
black history, hallelujah. But I'm saying, would

00:29:03.210 --> 00:29:05.690
it turn the wife on? That's the question. Yeah,

00:29:05.710 --> 00:29:07.690
you'll find it. nerdy girl? Oh yeah, there's

00:29:07.690 --> 00:29:11.609
absolutely. Yeah, just keep it on the positive

00:29:11.609 --> 00:29:15.509
stuff. I would love to hear some nerdy shit.

00:29:15.650 --> 00:29:18.029
That's my area of black history. My area of black

00:29:18.029 --> 00:29:21.509
history is achievers, inventors, businessmen,

00:29:21.569 --> 00:29:26.049
conquerors. I don't know. I probably know less

00:29:26.049 --> 00:29:29.289
about slavery than most people, especially from

00:29:29.289 --> 00:29:33.049
the South. My whole thing from my father, my

00:29:33.049 --> 00:29:35.009
biological father's got me until he was the first.

00:29:35.730 --> 00:29:37.910
curator in tennessee not a lot of people know

00:29:37.910 --> 00:29:39.829
that so i guess i kind of outed myself on that

00:29:39.829 --> 00:29:43.430
one but first black one but anyway so i that's

00:29:43.430 --> 00:29:46.309
what i grew up on is that in but taking into

00:29:46.309 --> 00:29:48.450
a little bit more serious questions since you

00:29:48.450 --> 00:29:51.170
talked about you know how far you will go oh

00:29:51.170 --> 00:29:53.529
just super super super quick though based on

00:29:53.529 --> 00:29:55.690
what you just said not only is the answer yes

00:29:55.690 --> 00:29:57.690
like you gave me like three or four ideas on

00:29:57.690 --> 00:30:01.029
how to cook a man like by doing that like one

00:30:01.029 --> 00:30:04.450
of the things you could do is ahead of time how

00:30:04.450 --> 00:30:06.329
about this how about i'm not just teaching you

00:30:06.329 --> 00:30:08.930
i want you to look this up boy and when i'm in

00:30:08.930 --> 00:30:12.069
the room fucking your wife you better be oh my

00:30:12.069 --> 00:30:14.829
goodness i want you to be telling me who invented

00:30:14.829 --> 00:30:18.049
the light bulb and like and do your black history

00:30:18.049 --> 00:30:20.509
homework because there's there's people out there

00:30:20.509 --> 00:30:23.690
like our good friend lady anaconda that is very

00:30:23.690 --> 00:30:26.069
good at this kind of stuff she's playing around

00:30:26.069 --> 00:30:29.920
like i'm educating yeah yeah so yeah there's

00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:32.019
there's a lot of ways you inspired me just now

00:30:32.019 --> 00:30:34.759
bruh like i think i got a new thing to play with

00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:38.339
that my god that boy that oh man i love that

00:30:38.339 --> 00:30:42.440
you don't understand i have like anyway we can

00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:46.799
it's okay it's safe i googled the first black

00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:49.740
curator in tennessee and it's not your daddy

00:30:49.740 --> 00:30:55.200
so you're safe good okay good okay perfect perfect

00:30:56.380 --> 00:30:59.200
I took care of you. I appreciate that. My dad's

00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:01.160
going to hate you. My dad's going to hate you

00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.579
if he ever hears this episode. But I appreciate

00:31:03.579 --> 00:31:05.980
it on my end. You just bursted my dad's bubble.

00:31:06.220 --> 00:31:08.900
I never searched that. Thank you very much for

00:31:08.900 --> 00:31:11.559
letting me know that my father is an imposter.

00:31:11.619 --> 00:31:13.640
I appreciate that. Here on the Bull Brothers

00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:18.799
Podcast. I think the little sparkles and embellishments

00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:21.359
on the stories kind of run in the family. So

00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:24.210
it's okay. It's okay, man. And you know what

00:31:24.210 --> 00:31:27.109
the bad news is? The bad news is you got whoever

00:31:27.109 --> 00:31:29.690
that guy's son is fired just now. I know, right?

00:31:30.390 --> 00:31:34.450
Yeah. So here's a serious question there. Educate

00:31:34.450 --> 00:31:38.269
me on, and I haven't had the time to study it,

00:31:38.309 --> 00:31:43.609
but educate me on BNWO. Yeah. So BNWO, and there's

00:31:43.609 --> 00:31:45.609
some people out there I would preface by saying

00:31:45.609 --> 00:31:47.829
they're much more qualified. In fact, I'm about

00:31:47.829 --> 00:31:51.230
to do a podcast with three of them. lady anaconda

00:31:51.230 --> 00:31:53.829
being one of them but there's people out there

00:31:53.829 --> 00:31:55.569
that you should talk to about this that are going

00:31:55.569 --> 00:31:57.869
to be much more accurate to me but basically

00:31:57.869 --> 00:32:02.250
being a dnwo is a subset of race play in bdsm

00:32:02.250 --> 00:32:05.490
it means the black new world order black new

00:32:05.490 --> 00:32:10.190
world order yeah basically it is a mindset and

00:32:10.190 --> 00:32:13.849
it frankly has been copyrighted if i'm not mistaken

00:32:13.849 --> 00:32:17.630
or registered as trademark by several people

00:32:17.630 --> 00:32:22.109
who are doms and mistresses and dominatrix in

00:32:22.109 --> 00:32:24.289
the Black community. A lot of them are women,

00:32:24.430 --> 00:32:27.269
Black women, who especially, I believe, financially

00:32:27.269 --> 00:32:31.809
dominate white guys primarily and dominate them

00:32:31.809 --> 00:32:34.250
in other ways too, sexually and otherwise. And

00:32:34.250 --> 00:32:36.269
then there's also the male component of the being

00:32:36.269 --> 00:32:38.190
that also does the same thing. Some of these

00:32:38.190 --> 00:32:40.170
brothers, like one of the ones that I'm familiar

00:32:40.170 --> 00:32:42.950
with, I think is a great dude. He never puts

00:32:42.950 --> 00:32:45.390
his face out there. He just uses his voice as

00:32:45.390 --> 00:32:49.490
his utility. And he has so many subs and pay

00:32:49.490 --> 00:32:52.509
pigs that are paying him to dominate them. So

00:32:52.509 --> 00:32:56.609
yeah, being in WO is a, again, with everything

00:32:56.609 --> 00:32:59.450
in race, there's a wide spectrum. There's literally

00:32:59.450 --> 00:33:02.829
being WO that I would call the extreme in. But

00:33:02.829 --> 00:33:05.589
there's also, you know, lighter versions of it

00:33:05.589 --> 00:33:07.670
where you're basically just being subservient

00:33:07.670 --> 00:33:13.269
to the idea that black culture and black people

00:33:13.269 --> 00:33:18.710
are superior. They're acknowledging that in many

00:33:18.710 --> 00:33:21.009
ways, like I said, financially to sexually to

00:33:21.009 --> 00:33:23.549
whatever. So that's basically how I would describe

00:33:23.549 --> 00:33:27.390
BMW. So that was once again, a beautiful definition.

00:33:27.569 --> 00:33:29.829
I'm going to tell you all this. It scares me.

00:33:29.910 --> 00:33:32.440
And I'm going to tell you why. Because it is

00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:37.619
the tip of the spear of the argument for extreme

00:33:37.619 --> 00:33:41.240
MAGA people. So tell me why it shouldn't scare

00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:44.720
me. I don't know if you know what I mean by that.

00:33:44.819 --> 00:33:50.119
It represents what they say is the main cause

00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:52.980
of what goes wrong. And I'm not trying to make

00:33:52.980 --> 00:33:54.859
it political. I don't want to talk about that

00:33:54.859 --> 00:33:57.900
end. I want to talk more in the end of... how

00:33:57.900 --> 00:34:02.279
we can look at it as like a sincere and authentic

00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:07.079
kink without the negative side of it. You know

00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:09.420
what I mean? Because I didn't hear about it from

00:34:09.420 --> 00:34:11.980
this side of the lifestyle. I heard about it

00:34:11.980 --> 00:34:15.320
from red -pilled MAGA people, you know, had extreme

00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:17.760
views. And then I was thinking, oh, you guys

00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:20.639
are crazy. And then when I seen BNWO, I was like,

00:34:20.699 --> 00:34:24.760
oh, they're not lying. So destigmatize it for

00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:27.949
me. yeah and if you know correct me if i'm if

00:34:27.949 --> 00:34:29.710
i'm not hearing you right but i think you know

00:34:29.710 --> 00:34:31.869
what you're getting at is when you're talking

00:34:31.869 --> 00:34:34.449
about black we're talking about racial superiority

00:34:34.449 --> 00:34:38.210
right yeah so the red pill people that you're

00:34:38.210 --> 00:34:40.469
talking about us would be the ones that are saying

00:34:40.469 --> 00:34:43.550
well you know if you're not supposed to be any

00:34:43.550 --> 00:34:45.590
superior race then why are you guys claiming

00:34:45.590 --> 00:34:48.449
that you know white people can't do that exactly

00:34:48.449 --> 00:34:50.190
we didn't say the same thing is that kind of

00:34:50.190 --> 00:34:52.829
what you're circling okay and and sandwiched

00:34:52.829 --> 00:34:56.980
by the cuckolding It's like their issue is that

00:34:56.980 --> 00:35:02.000
America is cuckolding itself into, you know,

00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:04.599
liberalism and submission. Again, I don't want

00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:06.400
to talk about the political side of that, but

00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:09.659
it's like if you combine the cuckolding with

00:35:09.659 --> 00:35:12.500
the BNWO, it's like their perfect world. And

00:35:12.500 --> 00:35:14.579
again, I don't want to talk about the politics

00:35:14.579 --> 00:35:16.199
of this because that's not what this show is

00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:21.139
about, but more about destigmatizing this as

00:35:21.139 --> 00:35:23.960
a kink. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Gotcha.

00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:27.320
yeah yeah thanks for clarifying so my answer

00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:31.860
to that is and and some of my bnwo friends you

00:35:31.860 --> 00:35:34.599
know they even disagree with me but this is my

00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:37.480
personal stance on that is why are you taking

00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:41.380
it so seriously like this is not literally huey

00:35:41.380 --> 00:35:44.820
p newton we got our blackness raised with braids

00:35:44.820 --> 00:35:48.179
right and black jackets on marching in the streets

00:35:48.179 --> 00:35:49.900
talking about we're taking over the government

00:35:49.900 --> 00:35:55.070
this is a sexual kink fantasy Where in that room,

00:35:55.369 --> 00:35:59.349
you can treat black people as superior and have

00:35:59.349 --> 00:36:02.469
race play. And maybe you're focused a little

00:36:02.469 --> 00:36:05.309
too much on the race and not the play is what

00:36:05.309 --> 00:36:07.130
I would say to those people. I like that. Okay.

00:36:07.190 --> 00:36:10.650
This is not literally a political movement. Now,

00:36:10.730 --> 00:36:12.530
there might be some BMW people that would be

00:36:12.530 --> 00:36:14.789
like, man, actually, it is low key. I'm serious.

00:36:15.130 --> 00:36:18.650
And I think that that's also fits within BMW.

00:36:18.909 --> 00:36:22.800
But most people aren't doing that. I would just

00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.219
say, like, maybe just try to relax a little.

00:36:25.380 --> 00:36:28.719
It's a fun thing to play. You know, just because

00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:31.000
we're playing firemen doesn't mean I'm a real

00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:34.460
fireman. So let's just, you know, let's just

00:36:34.460 --> 00:36:38.320
chill. And it's a fun world that you can create.

00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:41.539
Literally a world that you can create. Perception

00:36:41.539 --> 00:36:44.440
is reality. I'm going behind closed doors and

00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:47.599
done things and created worlds. with women and

00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:51.340
couples that are just amazing. It's like I'm

00:36:51.340 --> 00:36:54.199
in the matrix and don't want to come home. But

00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:56.360
that's in that room. And then I can come out

00:36:56.360 --> 00:36:59.860
and every black man, I think that goes to like

00:36:59.860 --> 00:37:03.199
Splash Mocha, for instance. One of the interesting

00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:06.260
things about Splash Mocha is it's one place where

00:37:06.260 --> 00:37:10.320
most of us, the one place where we walk into

00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:14.000
a door and for four days, we're treated as superior

00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:17.239
and put on a pedestal. and treat it in a way

00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:20.519
that we are treated nowhere else. We walk out

00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:22.960
of Splash Mocha and when a cop pulls us over,

00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:24.519
we better watch our back because he ain't going

00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:26.679
to treat us like we did at Splash. We know what

00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:29.179
the rest of the world is like, but in that world,

00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:34.559
that is a, there's a black hierarchy where black

00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:36.360
men are put on the pedestal and we get to enjoy

00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:39.199
it. So I look at it like that. I'm not conflating

00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:41.579
that with the real world when I leave, but I

00:37:41.579 --> 00:37:43.539
am going to enjoy the world that I'm in. But

00:37:43.539 --> 00:37:46.679
let me ask you this though, Pagan. Have you found

00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:51.860
that there are more couples who are, say, coming

00:37:51.860 --> 00:37:57.059
out even like not at the events at Splash, you

00:37:57.059 --> 00:38:00.440
know, but in the real world, they're coming out

00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:04.679
and saying, I am embracing these black men. I

00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:08.559
am embracing this black superiority. I am like

00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:12.610
living, you know, like I want. to live now i'm

00:38:12.610 --> 00:38:14.809
in a thought i'm in a proper i'm in a proper

00:38:14.809 --> 00:38:17.829
relationship my baby girl will be visiting me

00:38:17.829 --> 00:38:24.610
saturday and uh she is she is not only excited

00:38:24.610 --> 00:38:28.730
about coming here but she's even more excited

00:38:28.730 --> 00:38:33.610
about meeting my parents and my family You know,

00:38:33.630 --> 00:38:36.650
I've never seen anybody this damn chipper. You

00:38:36.650 --> 00:38:41.630
know what I mean? She's so freaking out. Like,

00:38:41.650 --> 00:38:46.289
she's so happy. And she keeps saying, we are

00:38:46.289 --> 00:38:50.289
loving embracing this now. You know, instead

00:38:50.289 --> 00:38:54.130
of, like, being one way at Splash and then coming

00:38:54.130 --> 00:38:57.469
back home and having to turn, you know, turn

00:38:57.469 --> 00:39:00.570
back into that other couple. You find that you

00:39:00.570 --> 00:39:02.630
have met some couples that are like embracing

00:39:02.630 --> 00:39:05.630
this now, like, you know, like they are out in

00:39:05.630 --> 00:39:08.369
public or no. Yeah, I think that you're right.

00:39:08.429 --> 00:39:11.530
I think that there is in the in the mainstream

00:39:11.530 --> 00:39:17.949
zeitgeist. We've all seen a shift towards interracial

00:39:17.949 --> 00:39:21.250
becoming something that's more mainstream and

00:39:21.250 --> 00:39:27.329
people using terms like BBC on Instagram or TikTok

00:39:27.329 --> 00:39:31.170
and places. where they're doing videos or making

00:39:31.170 --> 00:39:35.269
jokes or whatever this whole thing of young girls

00:39:35.269 --> 00:39:38.989
doing we love you black man videos compilations

00:39:38.989 --> 00:39:41.329
and stuff like that that didn't exist a little

00:39:41.329 --> 00:39:43.670
while ago so that's how i would describe the

00:39:43.670 --> 00:39:47.130
mainstream embracing it television movies things

00:39:47.130 --> 00:39:49.710
like that but then like what you just described

00:39:49.710 --> 00:39:54.170
to me which is amazing sounds like it's the lifestyle

00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:57.380
a throuple that does lifestyle things but then

00:39:57.380 --> 00:39:59.480
they're crossing over into the vanilla world

00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:02.960
because you're a real throuple and you're meeting

00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:05.119
each other's parents and you're enjoying family

00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:09.699
time that's a to me that's like you are living

00:40:09.699 --> 00:40:11.960
your best life you you've got the best of both

00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:14.760
worlds going on and i think some of these other

00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:16.480
things i'm talking about are just mainstream

00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:20.239
or just lifestyle but what you described is the

00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:22.760
sweet spot where you're able to cross over it's

00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:25.690
pretty beautiful appreciate it appreciate it

00:40:25.690 --> 00:40:31.090
yes he is having an absolute down fit like about

00:40:31.090 --> 00:40:39.269
coming here coming here but that's amazing though

00:40:39.269 --> 00:40:45.030
um here again man the the i love the word evolution

00:40:45.030 --> 00:40:49.610
evolving i think this world that we live in love

00:40:50.170 --> 00:40:52.789
And I think I can speak for you because you sound

00:40:52.789 --> 00:40:56.309
like you live it 24 -7 also like I do. Do you

00:40:56.309 --> 00:41:02.210
see this one day as like something that is just

00:41:02.210 --> 00:41:05.849
open? It's out there. You know what I mean? Like

00:41:05.849 --> 00:41:08.250
a lot of couples are saying, I don't care what

00:41:08.250 --> 00:41:11.889
people think anymore. This is who we are. This

00:41:11.889 --> 00:41:14.630
is who we love. This is who we love to be around.

00:41:14.889 --> 00:41:17.510
This is, you know, we're in a relationship. yeah

00:41:17.510 --> 00:41:20.050
i have a loving husband but i got a great boyfriend

00:41:20.050 --> 00:41:23.250
who happens to be a black dude do you think that

00:41:23.250 --> 00:41:28.050
whatever ever just be just a regular thing you

00:41:28.050 --> 00:41:30.030
know what i'm saying to where we we're not seeing

00:41:30.030 --> 00:41:34.530
the words or anything like that yeah well i have

00:41:34.530 --> 00:41:36.949
i have an answer to that and then i i have how

00:41:36.949 --> 00:41:40.010
that that answer makes me feel i if you were

00:41:40.010 --> 00:41:45.119
to ask a kid in the 1955 if you ever would see

00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:48.599
a senator that's gay or have, you know, laws

00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:51.659
that protect gay people or that it would be as

00:41:51.659 --> 00:41:54.179
just, you know, pervasive in our society today.

00:41:54.300 --> 00:41:56.440
They probably couldn't fathom that world. But

00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:59.280
we're in that world now, despite, you know, some

00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.239
of the current things that are trying to bring

00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:04.539
that backwards. We, in the long arc of history,

00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:07.780
despite small setbacks, are going in the right

00:42:07.780 --> 00:42:12.460
direction of inclusivity, racially, sexual orientation,

00:42:12.900 --> 00:42:16.539
gender. in the long arc of history we're heading

00:42:16.539 --> 00:42:18.559
in the right direction so my answer to you is

00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:22.099
give us enough time yeah eventually there's not

00:42:22.099 --> 00:42:25.639
going to be as much stigma around the lifestyle

00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:29.340
and even right now the metrics are showing in

00:42:29.340 --> 00:42:32.599
the last 10 to 15 years many more young people

00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:36.199
are in non -traditional relationships throuples

00:42:36.809 --> 00:42:38.809
um they're saying that they're not gonna ever

00:42:38.809 --> 00:42:41.050
get married but they like to have maybe multiple

00:42:41.050 --> 00:42:43.630
partners these are things that are just people

00:42:43.630 --> 00:42:46.510
are more open -minded about now while my answer

00:42:46.510 --> 00:42:49.730
is i think it'll go away that makes me sad man

00:42:49.730 --> 00:42:54.179
because then the taboo ain't taboo Like, I like

00:42:54.179 --> 00:42:59.420
the fact that I'm on the fringe. I like the fact

00:42:59.420 --> 00:43:01.699
that y 'all over there ain't doing what we doing.

00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:05.019
Like, I like the fact that I go behind a door

00:43:05.019 --> 00:43:08.440
and race play is such a hush -hush thing that

00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:11.920
it excites us even more because, oh, my goodness,

00:43:12.059 --> 00:43:14.320
the stigma around this. We couldn't do this outside.

00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:17.639
Now, if everybody was doing it, I got to be honest,

00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:20.860
it's not going to have the same buzz to it, the

00:43:20.860 --> 00:43:24.940
same electricity. So I think it might happen,

00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:27.139
but I don't know if I want to live in that world.

00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:32.300
It's a 50 -50 slate. I get it. I get it. I do

00:43:32.300 --> 00:43:34.940
get it. I do get it. I do get it. Because you're

00:43:34.940 --> 00:43:37.639
all right. It is steel. I don't give a damn.

00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:41.320
Nobody says it is the ultimate taboo. It will

00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:43.539
always be the ultimate taboo. You know what I

00:43:43.539 --> 00:43:46.550
mean? I agree. The beauty, the beauty of seeing

00:43:46.550 --> 00:43:50.570
that, that great looking black dude with that

00:43:50.570 --> 00:43:54.369
beautiful, you know, elegant white woman and,

00:43:54.590 --> 00:43:59.130
and, you know, just mixing, mixing bodies and

00:43:59.130 --> 00:44:07.150
fluids and getting horny over here. I mean, I'm

00:44:07.150 --> 00:44:09.949
okay with you continuing. But I mean, but I'm

00:44:09.949 --> 00:44:11.550
just saying that, you know, you know, it's not

00:44:11.550 --> 00:44:14.619
supposed to happen because it's, it's. it's it's

00:44:14.619 --> 00:44:17.039
been i i tell people all the time hey man they

00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:20.059
always show the film where you know you see you're

00:44:20.059 --> 00:44:23.320
gonna see the uh slave master and playing with

00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:26.179
the black girl but you know you won't see you

00:44:26.179 --> 00:44:31.219
won't see his his his wife his hot wife who who's

00:44:31.219 --> 00:44:33.519
got you know three or four mandingos on the side

00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:36.380
all right you won't see that one so yeah the

00:44:36.380 --> 00:44:41.019
taboo the taboo is always going to be I agree

00:44:41.019 --> 00:44:43.500
with you. And the way you can test that you're

00:44:43.500 --> 00:44:46.300
right is there's a million different combinations

00:44:46.300 --> 00:44:50.000
of what could be interracial. Oh, absolutely.

00:44:50.500 --> 00:44:53.760
Absolutely. When you say the word interracial,

00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:57.539
it's the first thing you think. So there's a

00:44:57.539 --> 00:45:00.460
power there that's undeniable to the people that

00:45:00.460 --> 00:45:02.800
love it and the people that hate it. They both

00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:05.219
have the same image in their head. That's powerful.

00:45:05.780 --> 00:45:09.449
Yeah, I agree. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

00:45:10.429 --> 00:45:14.150
Absolutely. Beautiful couple. What y 'all got

00:45:14.150 --> 00:45:16.929
to say on that? Socrates, you have been silent.

00:45:17.090 --> 00:45:19.530
What's up, baby? No, I'm trying to learn how

00:45:19.530 --> 00:45:23.530
to not interrupt, actually, and listen. You know,

00:45:23.530 --> 00:45:27.030
being part of the editing part, I noticed that

00:45:27.030 --> 00:45:30.530
I interrupt too much. But yeah, I got I want

00:45:30.530 --> 00:45:34.469
to kind of switch gears and talk about the mouthpiece,

00:45:34.550 --> 00:45:40.769
the wordsmithing. And I. To our listeners, I

00:45:40.769 --> 00:45:42.670
feel like I need to explain, probably sometimes

00:45:42.670 --> 00:45:48.469
I say it too ghetto, but it's about how you are

00:45:48.469 --> 00:45:51.190
communicating, how a bull communicates to a hot

00:45:51.190 --> 00:45:54.449
wife or any kind of female in this community

00:45:54.449 --> 00:45:59.750
or sub in this community if it's BDSM, and how

00:45:59.750 --> 00:46:02.829
well you get across your authentic thoughts and

00:46:02.829 --> 00:46:05.510
feelings and where you want to lead a woman.

00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.739
How well she receives it. So I want you, because

00:46:09.739 --> 00:46:13.639
I am very impressed in the way that you articulate

00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:17.219
that, but I have not heard you speak to a woman

00:46:17.219 --> 00:46:19.599
in that, while you're in that mode very often.

00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:24.519
So, but I just imagine and know from all of the

00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:26.739
other friends that know you well, that you're

00:46:26.739 --> 00:46:30.239
very good at that. So talk to me about the fundamentals

00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:32.699
of it. What do you think are some of the fundamental

00:46:32.699 --> 00:46:36.099
things you would need or have or understand when

00:46:36.099 --> 00:46:38.960
you're, talking to a woman yeah the fundamentals

00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:43.960
well i think authenticity is is the one of your

00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:47.380
cornerstones whatever you are whoever you are

00:46:47.380 --> 00:46:52.400
figuring out how to be that and not so uncomfortable

00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:56.820
with yourself or if you know you just maybe don't

00:46:56.820 --> 00:47:01.559
feel polished i think that the the better you're

00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:05.519
better served by figuring out your thing whatever

00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.559
that may be, and then being the best version

00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:11.139
of that. So authenticity, because we can sniff

00:47:11.139 --> 00:47:14.219
it out. We all can, especially after a little

00:47:14.219 --> 00:47:16.800
while with some experience. But when someone's

00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:20.539
real, you're attracted to them. That's part of

00:47:20.539 --> 00:47:23.159
what charisma is, being comfortable in your skin

00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:25.579
and just being real. So I think that that's one

00:47:25.579 --> 00:47:27.619
of the cornerstones of what I like to do. And

00:47:27.619 --> 00:47:31.019
in terms of mouthpiece too, man, I think a sense

00:47:31.019 --> 00:47:34.099
of humor goes a long, long way, especially with

00:47:34.099 --> 00:47:36.480
women. a sense of humor to me is not just about

00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:39.400
being funny it's how you can show your your intelligence

00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:43.219
the kind of jokes a guy makes shows you how smart

00:47:43.219 --> 00:47:45.480
he is and again there's various kinds of smart

00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:49.139
but it does tell you a lie so i i use that because

00:47:49.139 --> 00:47:52.480
it's a double -edged sword and i also have like

00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:57.480
the i like to start immediately almost treating

00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:00.219
a person like a couple levels past small talk

00:48:00.219 --> 00:48:02.920
like i'll make a joke at your expense within

00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:06.159
like three minutes of meeting and part of what

00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:09.260
i'm doing is seeing how thick your skin is do

00:48:09.260 --> 00:48:12.420
you take offense just seeing your reaction and

00:48:12.420 --> 00:48:14.059
sometimes i'm successful with that sometimes

00:48:14.059 --> 00:48:17.099
i'm not but there's things like that that i'll

00:48:17.099 --> 00:48:19.780
do where i'm also sussing out how real you are

00:48:19.780 --> 00:48:22.460
whether we're going to get along do you you know

00:48:22.460 --> 00:48:24.820
do you take yourself too seriously there's a

00:48:24.820 --> 00:48:28.159
lot of things in there when mouthpiece you tend

00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:30.969
to think of it as what we're saying but i like

00:48:30.969 --> 00:48:32.849
to also think about is like what am i saying

00:48:32.849 --> 00:48:34.610
that's drawing out something that they're saying

00:48:34.610 --> 00:48:37.269
or i'm learning more about them because again

00:48:37.269 --> 00:48:40.829
it's not just about me speaking it's not about

00:48:40.829 --> 00:48:45.230
my ego and servicing that i'm already figuring

00:48:45.230 --> 00:48:48.389
out is this person my compliment are they going

00:48:48.389 --> 00:48:50.210
to bring something to me sure but am i going

00:48:50.210 --> 00:48:52.929
to be able to bring something to them so my mouthpiece

00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:57.059
is not just me spitting game it's me saying things

00:48:57.059 --> 00:48:59.840
so that i can try to glean something from that

00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:01.960
other person so i can get to know them better

00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:05.039
and you know figure out if if we're going to

00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:08.039
be a thing yeah good deal good deal you broke

00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:11.599
that down you broke that down so so is it safe

00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:15.099
for me to say that that when you meet a couple

00:49:15.099 --> 00:49:17.780
when you meet a couple and you start you know

00:49:17.780 --> 00:49:20.960
to get to know them conversation wise etc etc

00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:23.989
you really do kind of I'm not going to say take

00:49:23.989 --> 00:49:27.949
charge, but you kind of see exactly, as you were

00:49:27.949 --> 00:49:30.409
saying, what you can say, what you know, what

00:49:30.409 --> 00:49:33.829
they're all about. You want to get that immediate

00:49:33.829 --> 00:49:37.650
feel from them, correct? As far as what you can

00:49:37.650 --> 00:49:40.510
say, what you can't say, you know, how they react

00:49:40.510 --> 00:49:43.230
to this, et cetera, et cetera, and then go from

00:49:43.230 --> 00:49:46.329
there. Yeah, yeah, because you're, you know,

00:49:46.369 --> 00:49:50.070
words are so powerful. I mean, the things that

00:49:50.070 --> 00:49:53.420
we say. They can obviously we've all been in

00:49:53.420 --> 00:49:54.719
situations where someone says something that

00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:57.039
turned us off. I've had situations where a woman

00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.739
was physically like I was neutral in terms of

00:50:00.739 --> 00:50:03.699
attraction to her. And then she started talking

00:50:03.699 --> 00:50:07.420
and I'm much more interested in her mannerisms.

00:50:07.420 --> 00:50:10.559
And now her mouthpiece is getting me. You know,

00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:13.400
I've had to work on me. So I really do think

00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:16.559
it's one of those things. The idea that, you

00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:20.420
know. There's a reason why magicians, they say

00:50:20.420 --> 00:50:23.599
it's casting a spell. It's the same word for

00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:28.480
spelling. Words can be magic. And if you put

00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:30.719
intent behind them in the right way, you can

00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:33.860
cast a spell on the woman. And, you know, if

00:50:33.860 --> 00:50:36.380
you do it well, you know, they can also do it

00:50:36.380 --> 00:50:39.579
to us. So, yeah, I firmly believe in that mouthpiece.

00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:43.769
So, but how long in conversation? And let's not

00:50:43.769 --> 00:50:45.670
say that this is at Splash, right? Because I

00:50:45.670 --> 00:50:47.989
hate to compare things to Splash Mocha because

00:50:47.989 --> 00:50:50.369
that's totally different. Totally different element.

00:50:50.530 --> 00:50:52.929
But you meet a couple, you know, you're out.

00:50:53.110 --> 00:50:56.829
So, you know, you guys are talking. There's some

00:50:56.829 --> 00:50:59.809
good chemistry there. How long before you know

00:50:59.809 --> 00:51:04.510
that Pagan has like that spell is getting to

00:51:04.510 --> 00:51:09.750
that couple? That can vary. But I will admit

00:51:09.750 --> 00:51:13.320
that after... A couple of decades plus of experience,

00:51:13.659 --> 00:51:16.840
you know, pretty soon. You can kind of tell right

00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:20.139
away if someone is interested in you by the angle

00:51:20.139 --> 00:51:22.260
of their body, when they face towards you, all

00:51:22.260 --> 00:51:24.780
these other things. And they're asking, you know,

00:51:24.820 --> 00:51:28.219
like, you know, when we're intrigued, we ask

00:51:28.219 --> 00:51:30.920
questions and we lean in. And then, you know,

00:51:30.940 --> 00:51:32.659
the opposite can be true. The person is just

00:51:32.659 --> 00:51:34.420
nodding and they're looking over your shoulder

00:51:34.420 --> 00:51:37.019
and it's not working so well. Their chemistry

00:51:37.019 --> 00:51:40.369
isn't hitting right. So, yeah, it can happen

00:51:40.369 --> 00:51:44.070
within minutes, though, I think. And again, I

00:51:44.070 --> 00:51:48.190
have to say, man, if a woman is laughing and

00:51:48.190 --> 00:51:52.170
touching your arm as you're talking to her, you

00:51:52.170 --> 00:51:55.610
kind of know, you know. So, yeah, it's pretty

00:51:55.610 --> 00:51:58.050
easy to figure it out. But I would say you kind

00:51:58.050 --> 00:51:59.969
of know within a few minutes. But it does vary.

00:52:00.190 --> 00:52:01.989
I've had situations where I've talked to someone

00:52:01.989 --> 00:52:05.889
for a long period of time, both digitally and

00:52:05.889 --> 00:52:08.789
maybe at a, you know. I've seen them at a party

00:52:08.789 --> 00:52:11.269
and another party and it wasn't a way later be

00:52:11.269 --> 00:52:13.769
connected because it built over time. So I don't

00:52:13.769 --> 00:52:16.030
want to say it's always in a few minutes, but

00:52:16.030 --> 00:52:18.309
I think you could probably tell pretty soon.

00:52:19.230 --> 00:52:24.409
But do you know how many brothers don't know

00:52:24.409 --> 00:52:28.989
those cues that you just pointed out with body

00:52:28.989 --> 00:52:32.349
language and, you know, the grinning and the

00:52:32.349 --> 00:52:35.150
touching and all that? A lot of men don't know.

00:52:35.190 --> 00:52:37.780
A lot of men don't know that. A lot of men don't

00:52:37.780 --> 00:52:40.380
know that. So thank you for, you know, touching

00:52:40.380 --> 00:52:43.119
on that. That's very, very valuable information

00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:46.420
to these, especially to the younger bulls that

00:52:46.420 --> 00:52:49.679
might be listening, right? Soccer cheese, siren,

00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:52.699
what you got for them? So, you know, me and you

00:52:52.699 --> 00:52:55.219
were discussing some other subjects in the lifestyle

00:52:55.219 --> 00:52:59.099
that are not so fun to talk about. And I probably

00:52:59.099 --> 00:53:01.920
don't want to talk about that this time, but

00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:04.440
it did spark a question that I think I might

00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:07.260
ask every bull that comes on here. This podcast

00:53:07.260 --> 00:53:10.760
name is called The Bull Brotherhood. And, you

00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:13.260
know, to give, to throw the flowers where they

00:53:13.260 --> 00:53:16.320
belong to be tossed at, this is Michael C. from

00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:19.519
the Keys and Inklings podcast. That is his, the

00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:21.920
first time I ever heard it. And the thing that

00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:25.800
he wanted to get off as a real community. But

00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:29.179
for us, this is a podcast and this is our perspective.

00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:32.539
But the question I want to ask you, and I think

00:53:32.539 --> 00:53:35.260
I want to ask every bull after that is, What

00:53:35.260 --> 00:53:39.320
does a Bull Brotherhood mean to you? Like, what

00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:42.320
would your definition of a Bull Brotherhood be?

00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:45.380
And I would ask both of you, Brian and Pagan,

00:53:45.500 --> 00:53:49.780
and what would that mean to the community? Pagan?

00:53:49.900 --> 00:53:53.360
Well, for me, the definition of Bull Brotherhood

00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:59.099
is community, camaraderie, building each other

00:53:59.099 --> 00:54:04.320
up, doing the positive things that don't just...

00:54:04.489 --> 00:54:06.710
make yourself better, but make the brother next

00:54:06.710 --> 00:54:10.530
to you better. And in doing so, you're stronger

00:54:10.530 --> 00:54:14.269
as a group, you know, like the Spartan warriors,

00:54:14.550 --> 00:54:16.929
you know, the way they would hold their shield.

00:54:17.369 --> 00:54:20.269
You had to protect the man next to you, not just

00:54:20.269 --> 00:54:22.949
yourself. And if each person does their part,

00:54:23.190 --> 00:54:27.510
you know, 300 men can hold the Persian army at

00:54:27.510 --> 00:54:30.449
the gates. So I feel like that's what the Bull

00:54:30.449 --> 00:54:33.320
Brotherhood is, is like... Being stronger, we

00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:36.079
can be individually strong, but being stronger

00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:39.920
together. And part of that is on the positive

00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:43.039
side, but also part of that is when something

00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:46.920
negative happens. If, you know, someone is not,

00:54:47.059 --> 00:54:50.760
you know, living up to, you know, what a positive

00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:54.760
member of that community should be, then calling

00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:58.110
that out, making sure that's corrected. making

00:54:58.110 --> 00:55:00.630
sure that we don't buy either our actions or

00:55:00.630 --> 00:55:03.789
silence at the brotherhood. So I think to me,

00:55:03.829 --> 00:55:06.230
it means kind of all those things together. Yeah,

00:55:06.329 --> 00:55:09.230
excellent. I love it. Hunk, what's your definition?

00:55:09.309 --> 00:55:12.650
What does it mean to you? Well, he just hit it.

00:55:12.750 --> 00:55:16.989
Pagan just hit it. But though, to add on to that,

00:55:17.150 --> 00:55:22.670
everything that Pagan just said, for me, is the

00:55:22.670 --> 00:55:27.739
definition of what a fraternal order is. And

00:55:27.739 --> 00:55:31.139
to me, the Bull Brotherhood is no different than

00:55:31.139 --> 00:55:34.820
being in a frat. And what he just said was the

00:55:34.820 --> 00:55:39.500
definition of what I think this Bull Brotherhood

00:55:39.500 --> 00:55:42.900
is all about and should be about. And here again,

00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:46.239
being a military retiree, am I my brother's keeper?

00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:51.579
That should sum it up. Am I my brother's keeper?

00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:54.460
Yes, I am. You know what I mean? I hold myself

00:55:54.460 --> 00:55:57.820
accountable, but I hold the two brothers that

00:55:57.820 --> 00:56:00.920
I'm talking to right now accountable in the highest

00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:03.780
regard. You know, when I say that you are my

00:56:03.780 --> 00:56:06.119
brother, you are my brother in every sense of

00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:08.420
the word, in every sense of the damn word, all

00:56:08.420 --> 00:56:11.940
right? Even though I have a net pagan, just tonight,

00:56:12.059 --> 00:56:15.340
just put the stamp on it for me, okay? And just

00:56:15.340 --> 00:56:20.860
put the stamp on it. He is what we want in this.

00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:24.619
lifestyle. He is what we want in this brotherhood.

00:56:24.699 --> 00:56:29.179
He is what we want and need out here to teach

00:56:29.179 --> 00:56:31.420
these other brothers, whether they're younger

00:56:31.420 --> 00:56:33.920
or whether they got a little experience in the

00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:37.840
game. The game is to be told. We are getting

00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:40.719
older and we need to be able to pass on the knowledge

00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:44.920
so the brotherhood can continue to grow and grow

00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:48.179
and grow and go on forever. So that's what the

00:56:48.179 --> 00:56:50.579
brotherhood means for me. This is a fraternity.

00:56:50.909 --> 00:56:53.309
I don't give a damn. Nobody said this is a frat.

00:56:53.389 --> 00:56:55.809
This is a frat. That is well said. May I just

00:56:55.809 --> 00:56:57.929
say. Yeah, so, you know. May I just say what.

00:56:57.929 --> 00:57:00.329
Yes, ma 'am, you may. Please. Thank you, sir.

00:57:00.889 --> 00:57:03.570
May I just say what an honor and privilege it

00:57:03.570 --> 00:57:08.710
is to just even have a part in this podcast and

00:57:08.710 --> 00:57:13.409
in just the amazing men that we have interviewed

00:57:13.409 --> 00:57:16.269
just in the few months that we have been doing

00:57:16.269 --> 00:57:21.119
this. Just been. incredible for me in my dealings

00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:23.960
with women you know especially the ones that

00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:28.480
have gotten a little jaded towards men or man

00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:32.059
haters if you will because when I got divorced

00:57:32.059 --> 00:57:34.440
from my first marriage one thing I never ever

00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:38.539
wanted to be was a man hater I wanted to keep

00:57:38.539 --> 00:57:41.539
surrounding myself with men with positive qualities

00:57:41.539 --> 00:57:46.039
and attributes and hopefully eventually find

00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:52.360
one to marry and I did And so just experiencing

00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:55.119
you guys in your conversation and your stories

00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:59.780
is just such an honor and privilege because it's

00:57:59.780 --> 00:58:04.480
like an insider's view into the many different

00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:07.659
aspects of men. And I feel like I just get to

00:58:07.659 --> 00:58:10.059
experience that firsthand and the energy just

00:58:10.059 --> 00:58:12.940
in the room and over the phone as we do these

00:58:12.940 --> 00:58:16.400
talks. So I just want to acknowledge you gentlemen.

00:58:17.529 --> 00:58:20.150
And just to express my gratitude for being a

00:58:20.150 --> 00:58:22.289
part of all of this. Thank you, Siren. That's

00:58:22.289 --> 00:58:24.869
how I pray it's coming from you. Yes, it is.

00:58:24.949 --> 00:58:28.610
Yes, it is. And that is why you are such a key

00:58:28.610 --> 00:58:32.929
and integral part of this podcast, sweetie. Believe

00:58:32.929 --> 00:58:37.130
me, I wouldn't do this without all of the family,

00:58:37.250 --> 00:58:40.590
okay? And I say it again, I would not be a part

00:58:40.590 --> 00:58:43.449
of this podcast without all of the family. And

00:58:43.449 --> 00:58:46.230
all of the family includes you in every sense

00:58:46.230 --> 00:58:49.889
of the word. right thank you believe that in

00:58:49.889 --> 00:58:52.949
every sense of the word man this is damn this

00:58:52.949 --> 00:58:55.190
i could talk we could talk all damn night but

00:58:55.190 --> 00:58:57.949
i know doggone well pagan has things to do i

00:58:57.949 --> 00:59:00.389
know he has things to do and i think we've been

00:59:00.389 --> 00:59:03.550
what about an hour nephew over an hour yeah over

00:59:03.550 --> 00:59:07.670
an hour see what i'm saying see what i'm saying

00:59:07.670 --> 00:59:09.510
yeah we're going yeah we're going to have to

00:59:09.510 --> 00:59:11.130
have a part two pagan we're going to have to

00:59:11.130 --> 00:59:13.730
have a party that's all good i would love it

00:59:14.319 --> 00:59:17.380
Because we can talk all night. We can talk all

00:59:17.380 --> 00:59:19.480
night. And I cannot wait, brother. I really can't

00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:22.840
wait to either splash or I don't know how we're

00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:24.400
going to do it, but you and I are definitely

00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:26.340
going to have to meet so we can sit down and

00:59:26.340 --> 00:59:28.500
all the brothers get together, man, and just

00:59:28.500 --> 00:59:33.139
chop it up. I know that would be one hell of

00:59:33.139 --> 00:59:35.260
a damn conversation. Nobody would go to sleep.

00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:37.739
I know they wouldn't. I know they would not.

00:59:37.900 --> 00:59:40.789
They would chop it up all night. I just wanted

00:59:40.789 --> 00:59:43.289
to say thank you guys, man. I mean, if this was

00:59:43.289 --> 00:59:45.190
just hanging out with y 'all without recording

00:59:45.190 --> 00:59:48.110
it, I would be appreciative. But to have this

00:59:48.110 --> 00:59:50.949
ability to be able to put this out there in the

00:59:50.949 --> 00:59:55.010
airwaves and just let people who might have,

00:59:55.030 --> 00:59:58.510
you know, you know, questions or might be struggling

00:59:58.510 --> 01:00:00.730
with something or they're just trying to get

01:00:00.730 --> 01:00:03.610
a new perspective on some of the topics we discussed.

01:00:03.969 --> 01:00:06.769
If it can just help like one person, this was

01:00:06.769 --> 01:00:09.820
completely worth it. um because i'm like you

01:00:09.820 --> 01:00:13.380
socrates michael c's podcast and other things

01:00:13.380 --> 01:00:16.179
is how i learned a lot of stuff and i'm i'm glad

01:00:16.179 --> 01:00:18.800
to be contributing to that whole legacy going

01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:22.280
forward so thank you guys for having me on yeah

01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:24.440
pegan did you want to thank you thank you for

01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:26.630
being a part of the brother Did you want to share?

01:00:26.650 --> 01:00:29.010
Go ahead, nephew. Oh, thank you, sir. Yeah, did

01:00:29.010 --> 01:00:31.190
you want to share how people can get in contact

01:00:31.190 --> 01:00:33.269
with you or some of your at or anything like

01:00:33.269 --> 01:00:35.809
that? Oh, yeah. You know, if you want, you can,

01:00:35.889 --> 01:00:39.010
like, on Twitter, just at Pagan Black Bull. And

01:00:39.010 --> 01:00:46.570
then I also have at Pagan and T4WM. That's my,

01:00:46.650 --> 01:00:49.530
like, backup account for the four whores. But,

01:00:49.610 --> 01:00:52.190
yeah, you can definitely reach out to me there.

01:00:53.869 --> 01:00:56.429
You can also just like hit me up directly. I

01:00:56.429 --> 01:00:58.829
don't mind people like just email me like the

01:00:58.829 --> 01:01:01.329
four horsemen at Yahoo. You can just hit me up

01:01:01.329 --> 01:01:04.789
and, you know, I'm on several sites, but, you

01:01:04.789 --> 01:01:07.230
know, you can you can interact with me. I'm on

01:01:07.230 --> 01:01:10.630
Telegram as well. Pagan Black Bull, by all means,

01:01:10.710 --> 01:01:13.489
you know, look me up and I love to chat with

01:01:13.489 --> 01:01:15.969
folks. I'm always pleased to meet you. Good deal.

01:01:16.150 --> 01:01:18.670
Good deal. Young brothers out there, you heard

01:01:18.670 --> 01:01:22.070
him. He's always got an open ear for the brothers

01:01:22.070 --> 01:01:24.010
out there. And I would suggest that you get in

01:01:24.010 --> 01:01:27.550
his back pocket when he has time. And he can

01:01:27.550 --> 01:01:29.610
teach you a few things. He can definitely teach

01:01:29.610 --> 01:01:31.989
you a few things. I've enjoyed tonight. I really

01:01:31.989 --> 01:01:36.150
have. Again, let's thank the brother, Pagan,

01:01:36.309 --> 01:01:41.570
for entertaining us tonight and bringing up some

01:01:41.570 --> 01:01:45.429
quality knowledge to the Bull Brotherhood. And

01:01:45.429 --> 01:01:50.230
for Socrates and Siren, I am... B Morgan, a .k

01:01:50.230 --> 01:01:52.969
.a. The Sigma Male himself, and to all the boys

01:01:52.969 --> 01:01:56.969
out there, I tell my brothers, good night. And

01:01:56.969 --> 01:02:00.590
to all my lovely hot wives, unicorns, and all

01:02:00.590 --> 01:02:04.309
the sexy ladies out there, good morning. Until

01:02:04.309 --> 01:02:07.650
we speak to you again, I bid you all a lovely,

01:02:07.789 --> 01:02:11.130
lovely evening. Good night. Stay sexy, warm,

01:02:11.230 --> 01:02:13.130
and sweet. B Morgan out.