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non -monogamy this is not your average lifestyle
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go. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another
informative episode of the Bull Brotherhood Podcast.
I'm one third of your podcast team, the Sigma
male himself, Brian Morgan, along with my beautiful
family, the lovely Siren. Hello. Say what's up,
beautiful. All right, all right. And of course,
her lovable husband. And my brother from another
mother. I call him nephew. The one and only Socrates.
What's good, y 'all? What's good? What's good?
What's good? And again, welcome to another podcast.
Ladies and gentlemen, now we have a gentleman
here, a seasoned bull, who is a very, very good
friend of the lovely Siren. So she is going to
be directing this show tonight. But first of
all, the gentleman hails from Detroit, Michigan.
All right. He is not only a party promoter, but
he's also the group owner of Midwest Bulls. I
say again, the group owner of Midwest Bulls.
He has 14 years of experience in this lifestyle,
and I'm proud to call him a member of the Bull
Brotherhood. Ladies and gentlemen, again, from
Detroit, Michigan, welcome, Tony. Hey, how's
everybody doing tonight? I appreciate the invite.
We're doing good. We're doing very good, and
we are so glad to have you here tonight, okay?
I'm going to need help. I'm going to nearly turn
this over to Siren. This is her world and not
her show. So beautiful. Go ahead and take over
this. Well, it is absolutely an honor, especially
since I found out only two minutes ago that I
was going to be running this thing. But as a
type A firstborn female, I think I got this covered.
Thank you. Outstanding. Well, Tony. I was joking
that I had to bribe you to come on, but I think
it was just a few dirty pictures and spreading
my cheeks or something like that. So nothing
too tedious. But I met Tony at Splash Mocha a
few years ago now, and right away he invited
me to be a part of one of his gang bangs. what
better way to introduce yourself and meet someone
than naked with six dudes. Like I loved it. It
was a great introduction. So, but we're not here
to talk about me. We're here to talk about you,
Tony, and like your journey into the lifestyle
and becoming the bull that you are today with
all that experience. So let's just get this show
started. When did you first realize that you
weren't built for monogamy and what did that
awakening feel like? I really wouldn't say that
I'm not built for monogamy. I jumped into the
lifestyle. It was based because I'm prior military
and I jumped into the lifestyle because whenever
I would transfer from one state to another state.
i was i wasn't in a relationship so basically
i was between relationships and then because
then so i got myself comfortable with where i
was at or i got into a relationship and then
recently i would say within the last 10 years
i've basically just been doing full -blown lifestyle
things you know before i was off and on when
i was out of town in a different state i would
go entertain go go to events and check out the
local flavor and taste of excitement and since
i've moved back home to detroit i've been you
know wonderful full blown into it and it's it's
just it cuts away a lot of the guessing games
i guess people would say that you know the whole
um dating aspect of it trying to size someone
out feel someone out stuff like that We all know
what we're here for, and we want to all have
fun. Yeah, it cuts out a lot of the ambiguity,
and I like it because I can just get straight
to the point, which is kind of who I am. Like
you said, what we're here for. You don't have
to beat around the bush unless you want to. Some
people enjoy longer conversations. Other people
are DTF, and there's something for everybody
in this lifestyle. Right. So just tell us a little
bit about, you know, you said you got into it
with the military and all of that. Tell us about
your first lifestyle experience. Who was involved
and how did that go? I was in California and
during this time frame, I was stationed on board
a ship and we were going through a inspection
cycle and me being the excellent leader that
i am whenever the specter was on board i was
keeping busy while my people was funneling through
the inspection so he wasn't paying attention
to all the stuff they weren't doing and um we
just got to talking and it was a week -long inspection
he was like hey what you got going on friday
friday night i said nothing else going on he's
like well we i'm hosting this party up in um
la why don't you come up and i was in san diego
so it's like our hour drive Right. Because, like,
you got some people coming down from Vegas and
L .A., and, you know, we got a hotel party. I
said, cool, I'm there. You know, give me the
address. And when I showed up, it was a lifestyle
party. He didn't tell me there was a lifestyle
party prior to getting there when I showed up.
And it was a lifestyle party. And I was like,
oh, this is my type of party. You know, everyone
always feels and thinks that way. And I was like,
oh, okay, this is a whole lot going on. And it
was interesting, you know, for the first time.
And that exposed me to it. And after that exposure
to it, my best friend, well, good friend at the
time, I was in the middle of transferring. He
was like, yo, check out this site. and i was
like okay what's that is that he's like this
is a site where people go and they link up with
like -minded people that want to get down and
you know say you can find some some freaks in
the area that you're going to blah blah blah
i was like okay so that's like i jumped on the
online sites and then from there it's been all
wide open systems go did you did you know no
turning back Did you feel comfortable immediately
when you stepped into that party? Like this is
meant to happen. This is who I am. At first I
did, you know, all males, they feel cocky. Oh,
okay. I'm going to get down. But then, you know,
after you sit there and stuff like that, you
realize, hold on, this is, I'm just not a whip
it out, pop up and jump into action type of guy.
So, you know, I had to get comfortable with it,
have to sit around and watch for a minute and
see what everybody else was doing. And then,
you know what I'm saying, get myself comfortable
to the scene and all the other types of stuff.
You know, and like I said, it was more dudes
than females. So, you know, you have to get used
to other dudes running around, you know, butt
naked, you know, used to that type of setting
and stuff like that. So you're like, oh, man,
okay. So, you know, when you're doing that, everybody,
you're mentally judging inside and everybody's
like, oh, okay. um all right what's going on
you know how how am i gonna fit in and what am
i gonna do then then you start interacting with
the females and you know it's time it's showtime
so you know you you slowly but surely feel your
way through and and um you know like i say it
at first i was excited then i was like okay then
i reality hit then i had to get myself comfortable
with the situation and then you know once i was
able to get comfortable you know It was action
on deck. I just have one question. Marines or
Navy? Navy. There you go. You know how many Navy
dues I fuck with and then I married one. Well,
we got Navy and Army up in here representing
right now. No, but it's just kind of like a reoccurring
theme in my life. So when a guy tells me he's
in the Navy, I'm like, of course you are. I love
it. So at what point did you start, you know,
gathering other bulls together and, you know,
forming groups and, you know, doing the gang
bangs, doing other parties? Like how far into
your journey in the lifestyle did you start doing
that? Well, I started doing parties from jump
whenever I would go for a different state and
get on all the online groups and whatnot, so
forth. and meet people that I started going to
their events. I started doing my own thing, I
would say about, I'd say eight years ago, seven
years ago. What happened was once I came back
home and I was going to events and meeting other
young ladies and hot wives, things of nature,
a few of them would be like, hey, you got friends,
bring your friends over. I was like, I don't
fuck with nobody like that. then you know after
you got here in a couple times you got friends
bring your friends over and this is people first
time interacting with them they're like oh you
know this is what i'm into and if you got some
friends i want to get down i'm open to you bring
your friends with you so i said okay so i started
seeing signs i was like well maybe i'm gonna
start recruiting some dudes and then as i started
going to events i started seeing other dudes
seeing how they how they move how they interact
i said okay i can see myself kicking with this
dude because i know we interact here at this
event so i don't have any you know we're cool
Things seem to be like -minded type stuff. So
I'll ask one dude, hey, this is what I'm trying
to do. You know, when I hook up with some females,
you know, you want to get down. You know, I hit
you up. I'm trying to start this little group,
trying to get about six, eight of us together.
So when it's a pop -off, I can reach out to some
brothers. You know, we all hook up, we all link
up, and we all go, and, you know, we have a party.
And they're just like, oh, yeah, cool. One dude
led the two dudes, two dudes led the three. Next
thing I know, I had 100 dudes in my group. And
I said, okay, this is a big thing. So I figured,
okay, well, what do my group call us? And this
was before I even knew it. I was at an event
dealing with a young lady from Ohio. And she's
a hot wife and was playing. She was like, huh,
I need you to come to Ohio. I said, cool. She
was like, yep, you're a real bull. And then,
see, I know I say, we're going to call ourselves
the Midwest Bulls. And that's how I spawned it.
That's awesome. So you say you got 100 guys?
Initially, throughout the years of adding guys
and testing them out and seeing, test out their
vibe and see if they're going to work with us,
I had about 130 guys. but then but then as time
progressed guys started falling off real life
issues started started happening or the vibes
once they got into the group their true colors
started showing and once they they were say they
say say that they're gonna come out to an event
say they're gonna come out to a small little
gathering and they never show up so i started
deleting guys right now i think i'm at like uh
70. okay what's your what's your uh What's your
criteria for a brother being accepted into your
brotherhood? It's all about the vibe. It's the
chemistry, the vibe. You come in with respect
of yourself, respect of the lifestyle, respect
of the vet, respect of the young lady that's
coming to have a party. Because my initial...
idea overall for the reason why I made the group
was for young ladies that want to experiment
more into the lifestyle to other kinks what I
want about a big party type setting. Because
some females in one of their big party type settings,
a lot of pressure and they feel overwhelmed.
So I try to make it a small setting. You know,
for every one female, I'll set up four to six
dudes. That way she feels more comfortable and,
you know, it's a more controlled environment.
And that's, you know, based off that. And I talk
to the dudes, give them an idea what it is. that
my group is all about, you know, and prior to
the event, I put out the rules and regulations.
You know, you come clean looking, clean smelling,
clean tasting, you know, brush your teeth, have
a good personality, good vibes, because that's
what the females want. They want good vibes.
They want to feel safe. They want to feel comfortable.
You know, they want to, you know, enjoy themselves.
They want to feel wanted. They want to feel the
passion and the small sin without a whole bunch
of pressure. You know, you show up. You show
up all the time. You know, we say doors will
open at 7. Come at 7, 6 .30, 6 .45, 7 o 'clock.
No later because I close the door. Doors open
at one time and doors close at another time.
You're not coming at, you know, the party is
at 8. You're not coming at midnight. Somebody,
I'm here. Let's get it. No, she's been playing
for the last three, four hours. She's tired.
So, you know, have respect. If you say you're
going to be there. Be there. I understand real
life happens. We'll have to have communication,
open -minded communication. Everybody in my group,
you can reach me 24 -7. So if something pops
up where you can't make it, say something, you
know. Yeah. Well, it sounds like, too, you've
answered a few of the things, but I was going
to ask you, what do you think separates a high
-value bull from a thirsty one? You know, obviously
the respect factor, but. How you conduct yourself.
How you conduct yourself at events. How you conduct
yourself in the group chats. How you conduct
yourself, you know, just online period prior
to an event, at an event, and after an event.
All that says a lot about you. You know, your
character. Not only, you know, if someone is
watching you, but when someone is not watching
you. Right. You know, you could be a... a good
person but you still have some nasty ways about
yourself you know you come to the event and you
know you you haven't showered you haven't brushed
your teeth you don't smell good like you know
you're not doing it if if you're in a chat and
prior to the event and in groups not just my
my my event but any group events like for you
know other big parties And she knows in there
without asking, without getting permission to
speak with them, you jump in their DMs and, you
know, and the first thing they see when they
open up first in the morning is a dick pic. Right.
Then you flood their DMs. Oh, I wish I had a
dollar. With dick pics. Me and Socrates would
be on a beach somewhere. Right. Or you're constantly
asking her for new pics or new vids, you know.
Just stuff like that. You have to show patience.
You have to show integrity about yourself and
how you move. I like all of that. And that could
be why you and I jive so well in the play space
and in just regular life. We've talked many,
many times. When you have like the parties and
the different things and you go to other people's
events, when you walk into the room as a bull,
as a promoter, what are some of the things that
you first notice about what's going on? The communication
levels. If people are being cliquish, people
are openly conversating with other people. You
know, when I host an event, a small event, I'm
not playing. So I'm there as security and to
make sure everyone is following all the rules
and regulations that they're supposed to be doing.
I love that. I don't mean to cut you off, but
I love that. Keep going. I love that. That's
a businessman. I love that. I love that. Go ahead.
I like to, for an event, like when I initially
started doing them, I was doing house parties.
So I would set up a group chat prior to the event.
And my mindset is that with the group, the reason
for the group chat prior to the event, it's for
everyone to communicate and talk to each other.
It's for everyone to break that ice. So by the
time the event comes, that part is already done.
You know, initially I was doing, you know, lifestyle
play, coming to play parties, you know, but then
I turned them into an actual party with the opportunity
to play based on the vibe that you get from the
person you want to play with. But initially they
were, you know, everyone is here to play and
whatnot so forth. So once you show up, the ladies
have opportunity to go change, get into their
sexy outfit. The guys set up, I turn music on
and, you know, everyone mix, mix and mingles.
Don't come talk to me about the person that you
sit over in the corner. You go talk to that young
lady. You go talk to that man. You go get to
know them. Don't come talk to me. Ask me questions
about them. You go talk to them. I observe that.
I observe how people interact with other people.
Some males and females, they can be cliquish
at events and whatnot so forth. And then you
always have what I like to call the party favorites.
The party favorites are the ones that because
they show up to any event, they think everyone
is going to automatically say yes to them. I'm
here, so you're supposed to say yes to me. I
don't deal with those type of people. Love it.
So that would be what makes a guest unforgettable
for the wrong reason. But what makes a guest
unforgettable for the right reason? What kind
of people stand out in your mind that really
help move that party along? How they carry themselves,
how they move throughout the party, how they
interact with everyone. They're coming in to...
to have a vibe, to have a chemistry, to build
chemistry, to have a vibe with you. They're not
just here acting thirsty. You know, they're not
walking around. A male's not walking around up
to a female with his junk out. You know, it's
like, hey, what's going on? My name is Sunset
Sunset. I want to play. You know, that type of
stuff. Business card first. Right. Females are
just walking around. grabbing on all the dudes
that they see. And when I saw them, they, they,
they carry themselves, even though they're here,
they want to be freaky. They want to be, you
know, they want to enjoy the chocolate, but they
still have class about themselves. They still
conduct themselves as a lady, you know, and then
when the time comes to play, then that comes
out. She wants to make an impact. She wants to
make an impact, not just there to just drop a
draw and give it any damn board is there. She
wants to make an impact and impression. You know,
just like the bull. Just like there's one thing
to go to a party and you just be a thirsty, a
thirsty damn bull with your dick out and shit
and trying to hit everything compared to you
wanting to make that connection. All right? That
connection. You want to get inside of their head.
Yeah. And, I mean, I tell everybody, just because
someone is playing, that's not an open -door
policy for anybody to jump in. If a female is
playing with a dude, with one dude, give her
that space. Give him that respect. Give both
of them that respect. They may just want just
to be solo. And if you hadn't asked prior to,
don't just get butt naked and jump in. You can
ask while they're playing, hey, can I touch?
Can I watch? Can I join? If you watch and be
quiet, sit back and just enjoy the show. If you
want to join in. And you ask, and everybody say
yes, good to go. Jump in and have fun. I didn't
seem, I almost had to put dudes out, I almost
had to put some other dudes out, put hands on
dudes. They just get butt naked and just try
to jump in. Whip their dick out and put it in
somebody's face. Hold on, no, that's not what
we're doing here. That's why I bring my husband
or you to those, to direct. where the dicks should
go and be. I've seen females, because a dude
was interacting with a female and he was on his
back, she just jumped up and threw a hoo -ha
in his face. Hold on. Come on now. You don't
want nobody to guess you, so respect other people's
face. Good deal. Oh, goodness. This is fun. So,
One of the things that Socrates and I were talking
about at the party we had this weekend at our
local little spot around here is a lot of times
parties can go two ways in my mind sometimes.
They can either be like, everybody's getting
down, everybody's getting busy, everybody's having
a great time, or it ends up everyone kind of
standing, like you said, kind of cliquish, kind
of in the corner, kind of... just standing against
the wall, like resembling very much a seventh
grade dance. What is some things that you do
to help keep that party flowing? Like do you
ever do like icebreakers or mixers? Socrates
and I, we just come up with our own things sometimes
because we just try to get the party started
wherever we're at. So like one time, you know,
three years into being in the lifestyle, we went
to a party and we said. we're new to the lifestyle.
What are your tips and, and, you know, advice
for new people? And that was really fun because
these people leaned in and really like everyone
was really kind. And, and then we told them,
you know, kind of at the end of the conversation,
we're not really new, but we loved everything
you said. And we're always trying to help new
people. So we just want to play a little game
to get it going. Or other times we'll just go
up and ask the typical questions like, how many
times have you come to these parties? How long
have you been in the lifestyle? Things of that
nature. But what are some things that you do
to encourage your guests or kind of keep things
going so it doesn't just end up like the seventh
grade dance? Tall jump. I mean, because it's
my party. So 9 to 10, I know 90 % of the people
there. You know, I vibe with 97 % of people there.
Every now and then, you know, we have a group
of new people. But I mostly just try to talk
junk, keep everybody comfortable. I whip out
my flogs and start flogging somebody. that um
that's that's sexy that everyone is is into but
nervous to say something to i um yeah i just
do stuff like that if it's a smaller um event
that i'm hosting for a certain particular one
or two females then i'll start messing with them
just to get them going and to show the guys that
hey they're here to have fun get off your phones
interact with them and then once i get them going
i'll step away and say okay guys You know, green
light is on, you know, you guys have fun with
it. And then if things may slow down and she's
still in a mood, I'll come over, play with her,
talk to her, a union break. Just, you know, keep
it going some type of way. It varies sometimes
from event to event, what I do. You know, sometimes
it's the spur of the moment. I may do something
different that I hadn't done in life. Another
one, if I have a... connection with the female
and she's talked to me about a few different
things just to break the the pace of things i'll
break out my bdsm bag and you know she may want
to try something new that she hadn't tried or
i'll break out some toys and play with her in
front of everybody why everyone to stand there
and all googling i'll break out um a couple different
like i said uh paddles vlogs i'll put some some
cups on her or I'll put her in a spreader bar.
So it sounds like you become the entertainment,
essentially. You know, you get the female, you
go in the middle of the room. I know Socrates
and I went to this club. Should I say the name
of it? Yeah, Pravada. And nobody, it's three
floors of... tons of people and nobody's fucking.
And we're like, what in the hell? And it's late
in the evening. There's so many people just standing
around. So there was this big round Ottoman in
the middle of this huge room that had probably
a few hundred people in it. And we just start
putting on our own show there. So, you know,
sometimes you just got to get that party moving
no matter what. So that's a fun way. Um, you
know, I like, I like your style on that Socrates.
Yeah. Do you play at your parties, Tony? In my
small events that I host for like one or two
females to have, you know, they're fun. No, I
don't. Only ones I usually play at are my weekend
takeover, matching takeovers, because we're there
for the whole weekend. And everyone there is
policing everybody. Yeah, because I, you know,
in the industry segment. I'm going to be talking
to a lot of promoters, and you're the first one
that I've talked to that actually says, yeah,
I do. Because most of them are like, you can't
play at your parties. And I'm new to the game,
and I'm a systems thinker, and I was like, it
just doesn't set with me. I'm like, I feel like
you should be able to. And like you said, so
can you expound on everybody? You said everybody.
He's policing each other. Policing each other,
right. Because he's kind of already pre -vetted
those people. So kind of tell us on those weekends,
like, yeah, how does that work so that you can
balance everything? So, like, my annual weekend
match and takeover is the Taurus Bash. It's hosted
every year up in the local Detroit, Michigan
area. So it's a Friday, Saturday. and late checkout
on Sunday after we have brunch. Everyone gets
a chance to wrestle and so forth. So those type
of events, when everyone comes Friday, you know,
we have the usual mix and mingle. Then I put
out all the rules and regulations before anybody
touches anybody, before anybody plays. I put
out all the rules and regulations in the chat
prior to. and i do it also before once everyone
gets there and checks in everyone's get situated
and whatnot so forth those type of events are
because the cut down on costs i put it out that
everyone is helping everyone everyone helps with
the cleaning everyone helps with the the every
aspect of the whole weekend so we're all there
and everyone prior to being invited to that event
is vetted so it's not an open door policy that
and everybody can come So everyone is vetted
to a certain extent because you can only vet
someone up to a certain point. They're either
going to lie to you or they're going to always
say the truth. So we have it, and it's always
rules. As far as playing stuff is concerned,
we have rules and regulations, yellow light,
green light, red light. And at any point, at
any time, if my name is called, everything stops.
I don't care if you halfway up inside somebody,
either way it go, everything stops. We figure
out what's going on. And everyone respects that.
Everyone respects everyone's boundaries. Everyone
respects everyone's space and the whole event.
Because if you don't, then you have to go immediately.
There's no second chances. There's no second
guessing. All that. If you invite someone that
comes with you and they break rules, you have
to go along with that person. So those events
are more of a family style. Everyone comes to
party with the option and opportunity to play
all weekend. It's a grown and sexy type of event.
So we don't want anyone coming to act like acting
childish and whatnot so forth. So those I feel
more comfortable with. But it's a big mansion.
So I can't be everywhere at the exact same time.
So most of the guys that are in my Bulls group,
they know the rules and regulations. So they
help me. police everything going on and guys
that come with with their wives because if you
come with your wife you want to make sure that
she's protected at all times and she's comfortable
so you'll you'll have eyes on everything going
on around you also so and then as far as a smaller
event when i host here like i said i have one
or two females and i have six to eight guys in
there I'm policing. I'm security. Make sure everyone
follow rules. Make sure everyone is good to go.
Make sure the female is always good to go. So
those, I don't play because I'm constantly watching.
No, all my events are kind of a requirement.
Now, the mansion takeovers, if two adults can
sit in the adults' side they want to go without,
that's on you. Don't come back and talk to me
about it. That's on you. My smaller events, because
the females, they ask, they require, I want all
condoms, so I make sure everyone wears condoms
and they change them out between, you know, and
everyone's respecting everyone. I like that.
I like that a lot. What's the sexiest thing a
woman has ever said to you personally at one
of your events? Hi. Stop it. Well, I'm not going
to waste my words next time I see you. If all
I have to do is say hi. The sexiest thing to
me, I mean, one of the biggest reasons why I
host is because I like to bring people together
to have fun and enjoy themselves in a comfortable
environment. And I think one of the sexiest things
to me that got me excited was one, that someone
said they really enjoyed it and they felt safe
and comfortable. at an event that I host. And
any event that I host, if I invite them, that
they'll show up to me. Yeah, that's awesome.
We're really excited. We're going to be attending
your next one. So we're excited to watch and
learn and see how it flows and what ideas that
we can incorporate to, you know, things that
we're going to host in the future as well. So
we like, especially Socrates, loves learning,
loves asking questions. He'll probably follow
you around all weekend and get all the knowledge.
I'm not waiting until then. I'm asking some questions
on here. Okay, what questions do you have for
him right now? I was waiting for my turn. Go
ahead. So one of the things is Unk, me and Unk
were talking about how we want to do parties.
And one of the things that Unk wants to do that
I really love. is he wants to kind of match up
couples and bulls. Not like you have to be with
that person or this is your person, but suggestions
and recommendations because you can tell certain
types of bulls and the kind of couples that match
up. I'm not there yet. So do you do that? And
if so, how do you do it? And if not, why not?
I do it to a certain extent. Like if a young
lady or a hot wife or a couple, a husband, reaches
out to me saying that they want something, want
to do something. So what I initially do is I
get to know that person or that couple. I ask
a lot of questions as far as to get to know them,
their type of personality, what they like in
a lifestyle, what they don't like, hard yeses,
hard nos. the type of things that they're looking
to have done to them or the type of things that
the husband would like to see done to his wife
or girlfriend, the type of things that she would
like to have experienced during this event that
she's coming to that I'm setting up for her.
And then after getting to know them, ask them
a few little questions, I kind of have an idea
of my guys that are in my group. And I kind of
go through, okay, well, I think this person will
fit perfect with them at this event. Then I go
to those individual guys. I say, hey, I got this
young lady, this couple that's trying to have
an event. This is what they're into. This is
what they want. Are you free? And, you know,
if they ask for four, I usually invite, I usually
go to 10 guys because out of 10, I'll probably
get four because of time schedules and whatnot.
You know, real life situations. You know, everyone
is working and whatnot. And after knowing, interacting
with the guys in my group, I kind of got to have
an idea of how they move in a lifestyle, the
type of sex that they have, the type of things
that they're into. So once I have an idea about
that type of stuff, mentally, I can pair them
with someone that comes in or wants something
in particular. Now, when it comes to... a um
big event like a weekend takeover you know i
don't i have um i invite a mixture of all the
ones in my group because it feels like view my
group i don't i should be able to invite you
anything that i that i throw that type of events
me personally from outside looking in i think
it's a uh two stage to it well actually three
stage because you guys have to interview the
males and the females and then i would put together
like a little meet and greet type thing or like
um some people like to say a speed date type
scenario where they get to go around and talk
to different people and then they can kind of
put they put have their little interest in interest
or people that they like that they think that
they vibe with and then you know once they get
done everyone talks to you both sides and then
you kind of you know work it out from there i
don't i don't think it's cookie cutter experience
because i think it's all gonna be trial and error
trying to you know initiate and get it all down
to a science for i think the first two or three
times but i think by the time the fourth time
and it depends on how big you try to make it
you have a kind of a good idea after talking
to so many people and getting to know them and
their personalities and type of kinks and things
that they like what they're into what they're
looking for um can i ask you a personal question
Oh, Lord. Do you currently have a significant
other? Yes, I have a girlfriend and lifestyle.
Okay, so tell us about that. Because you do go
to these events solo most of the time. So how
do you guys, what's your communication like to
work out all the details of who's going where?
Like, what are some of your guidelines that you
guys have for each other? And together so you
can navigate the lifestyle successfully. It's
new, really, to me, for me. I tried, like I said
before, I was in and out. If I was in a relationship,
I was in a lifestyle. When I was in a relationship,
I was in a lifestyle. I tried it before with
a couple. And it didn't work out because of communication
or whatever. It was always two against one. I
don't like that. If I don't have a full say -so
and how things should go, then it's not a real
relationship. But this one, I don't know. It's
different. We're still working on how to navigate
a lot of different things. I think you have to
be flexible. You have to be understanding. of
the person that you want to have a relationship
with and how you met that person you know your
your mindset at the time that you met that person
and your mindset moving forth how you see yourself
where you see yourself and how you see yourself
you know within a lifestyle how you guys want
to move right now we're um going to events together
to make sure that our relationship is solid prior
to trying to go to anything so um solo yeah that's
what we did too like probably good man well we
went to events for we still probably like a year
well at least well i don't think that we have
gone to separate events except for just with
like within the last year yeah everything else
we pretty much go to together and then we just
started we we branched out locally to solo play
dates after about two years. And then the event
thing, I think, really just, maybe even just
when I went to that party in San Diego. Yeah,
guys, I haven't gone to. Oh, well, I've gone
to some local stuff by myself. Yeah, you've gone
to local stuff. I've gone to stuff out of town.
That's just kind of how it works out for us sometimes.
But, yeah, it just takes some time, you know,
to get that together. So do you guys do, and
for us, like, at the end of every event, in the
beginning especially, we would talk through,
like, the whole night. Mostly, though, because
I was brand new to the lifestyle, and he had
more experience, so he was just trying to help
and support. But what kind of check -ins do you
guys have? What kind of communication do you
make sure and do surrounding events to continue
to move that forward? Right now, it's basically
if someone wants to play with me, we'll play.
that they ask the other person that they want
to play with their partner. She only plays with,
if I'm there, as of right now, that's how she
wants to do it. For our check -in, like I said,
we usually, we go together, so we're constantly
with each other the whole time. Right, but do
you have like kind of a debrief, an after -action
report? As Unk calls it, like after the party,
kind of talk about how it went for you and if
anything came up for you, like emotionally or
otherwise. A little bit, because like I said,
this is new to me, having been in a relationship
and a lifestyle. So if something rubs me the
wrong way, I'll bring it up. As far as actions,
how people move, how she moves or how she portrays
herself or how someone may step to her. us or
whatnot but usually if something is i'm feeling
a certain way she knows right there and there
it was like we we went to our uh first event
together as a couple and we were playing with
another dude and then in the room and you know
she wanted to keep the door open so people would
come in and watch okay so i don't know no problem
a couple dudes came in there and was talking
and one dude was like hey i want to touch so
i usually sit back and see how she going to react.
Because, I mean, she's boisterous, and if she
doesn't want to do something, she'll say it.
She'll speak her mind. And she was basically
letting him know, I'm just playing with these
two. He was respectful or whatever, but he was
getting kind of close. When I was just sitting
there while we were playing, watching to see
what he was going to do, if he was going to try
to touch her. And this one dude came in that
I don't like and I don't deal with. and he was
trying to be a little bit overly aggressive and
almost had to stop playing to address the situation.
But she handled it, and he understood his role.
After I said something and she said something,
he understood his place, and he left. Yeah, he
understood he didn't have a role. His role was
in somebody else's room, right? Not there. Good.
I like that. Well, and I think too, I, you know,
Socrates, he researched so much, obviously you
had a lot of experience, you know, in the lifestyle.
And then for me, just the consistency of, if
he said it was going to be this way, it was going
to be that way. And, you know, we make mistakes
and we slip up, but he said, okay, if this happens,
then this will happen. You know, like this is
how we're going to handle these things. And he's
always stuck to that. And that just steadiness
and that rock really helps, you know, because
I'm not a quiet female either. I'm very boisterous,
too. So most of the time, you know, I don't I
even was just like hard on him in the beginning
because he'd be like, it's about safety. It's
about safety. And I'm like, Daddy, I have been
a hoe out in the single world doing all this
stuff. And he had to explain to me. When I'm
present, there's a different type of energy there
than when it's a single female with a guy. It's
not as such a – I'm losing the words, but you
know what I'm talking about, babe. You explained
to me about bringing guys back to the hotel room
that we didn't know and stuff like that. that
it was just a different kind of energy. Yeah.
So I didn't really understand. It took me a while
and I, you know, I'm like many things I've made
it harder on him than it needed to be, but he's
been patient with me and teaching me and just
being that steady, you know, consistent rock
in that area. So that, you know, I can say from
the woman's perspective is, is really helpful
when you're, when they know how it's going to
go down or not. Right, especially nowadays. And
I had to explain some things to her because females,
it's not a bad rap. It's just facts in life.
When you guys start playing, sometimes you don't
pay attention to everything going on. Or you
don't pay attention to everything going on. And
there are some shady dudes out there that'll
take advantage of that situation. And then next
thing you know... you will have a situation,
you know. I had at one of my events, Yolanda
said something to me afterwards. I didn't know
about it. I didn't pick. I was always looking
to make sure guys wore condoms. She said, yeah,
he wore a condom. After he got done playing with
her, he came over and played with me with the
same condom on. Well, I tried to, and I said
something. I was like, oh, okay. But she didn't
make it, obviously, to me, known what happened.
She said something to him, and he went and changed,
you know, discreetly, whatever, whatever. So
I was like, oh, guys do that? Okay. Or you'll
have a situation where you're playing with one
dude, giving him head, and you're on all fours,
a dude will come in from behind you without putting
one on. Yeah, stealthing. Or you'll have a dude
that'll sit there and play with you, start playing
with you, and try to play with you without wearing
one. And they'll test to see if you say something.
And I had to tell her, I was like, hey, I don't
care what you're doing. If you're playing. and
someone wants to play with you, you need to stop
to make sure that this is what's going on. Right.
Well, especially because... Ever since I told
her that, it was a dude that tried to do it.
And she was like, no, you got to stop. You got
to put something on. Yeah. Socrates, what did
you think? Well, I was going to say, especially,
I didn't mean to cut you off, especially for
your parties, because those things happen at
other people's parties, and that's... I've been
to parties where it's the opposite. It was weird.
I was putting a condom on. So, you know, some
parties, that's their culture. But what I like
about what you do is you let them know what it
is in the beginning. You know, we've had friends
that have been in that situation and they're
being treated like they were, you know, a bad
person when it's like the host didn't make any,
didn't set any rules. The host didn't say anything
about how we do it here. And there's parties
where it's the exact opposite. You know, we had
a couple that would damn near curse us out because
we insist on rubbers. You know what I'm saying?
So, you know, there's parties where it's like,
how dare you, you know? And I always tell people,
always tell people my, one other thing that as
far as my group and stuff is concerned is when
I host. It's to host to have fun and party, but
it's also to educate. Because a lot of people
that come in that have never gone to parties,
that have never been in that type of setting.
So they don't know. They don't know the quorum.
They don't know how they're supposed to conduct
themselves. So I try to bring people underneath
my wing and show you how you conduct yourself.
And I've had people come in, see how I host parties,
like, hey, it's a good idea. When I start doing
stuff, I'm going to start doing stuff like this.
Because you got to think about it. If someone
does something, that not of good taste at an
event right now today, they're 50 -50 % in the
wrong. The other 50 % is the people that brought
them into the lifestyle in the past prior to
them coming to your event. Because obviously
where they were at before, it was a norm. So
if it's a norm everywhere that they go, that
they move on forth, that they can act like that
every place that they go to. until someone says
something to them. Because think about it. If
no one tells you that you're doing something
wrong, you're never going to change. And that
is why I believe that the best parties are always
hosted by individuals who don't usually play
at their party. Because they can walk around,
they can talk to people, they can see what's
going on. You know, like you said, Tony, there
are so many people that have never been to any
type of event whatsoever. So they don't know
the etiquette, you know, they don't know exactly.
It sounds like you let them know from the jump
that, you know, condoms are required at your
party or at least preferable at your party. You
know what I mean? if if you don't use one of
that song you and that couple you guys have talked
about it but you put it out there that's a professional
right there doing what he's supposed to do at
a party that's a party promoter you have the
right to put that behind your name okay in my
opinion that's a party promoter um because here
again of socrates there are a lot of a lot of
settings where um you might walk into that setting
and you see say two or three ladies and they're
going back so you just assume that hey this is
a bad back party but here again if nobody has
said that con may be required you may think that
hey you know i can go wrong all right right but
that's you know that's that's that's just i'm
i'm really digging you know the way you the way
you running your show right right now i'm really
digging the way you run your show I mean, all
of it came about because after going to events
up here for, I don't know, three years, I started
seeing how the group owners started running groups
and their events, and I didn't like it. So I
said, I'm going to back away. I'm going to step
away. I'm going to leave your group, and I'm
going to start doing my own thing. And then I
started doing my own thing, how I wanted to do
stuff, how I thought it should go. I'm not saying
that how I run a group, how I run an event is
perfect, but. It's comfortable for me. And it
seems like everyone that comes to them, they're
comfortable, and they like them, and they want
to keep coming to them. So I'm going to keep
doing what I do. You know, every event, I learn
something new about the event, and I move it
to the next event moving forward. Evolution.
That's the word. That's the word. Like what worked
and what didn't work. That's the word, evolution.
So what kind of legacy do you want to leave in
the lifestyle space as both a bull and a builder
of experiences? What do you hope people remember
after, you know, I think you'd be hosting parties
till the day you die, even if your dick don't
work no more, right? But, you know, what kind
of legacy do you want to leave? Equal opportunities.
I was fair. I was respectful. I treat people
the way I want them to treat me. I don't try
to undermine or backstab nobody for an event.
I think that everyone is adults. I like to have
fun. My events are educational, fun, comfortable,
safe, enjoyable. I try to take it to another
level, the next level. The spots that I choose
to host at aren't just any old type of spots.
I try to have some type of taste and class to
them, something that I think is appealing to
the eyes, so they know that if I come to one
of my events, it's a nice spot, it's going to
be nice. It might not be the biggest, but I think
my events are within a reasonable price. I guess
I'm not trying to get rich off of it. I enjoy
bringing people together to have fun. That's
the beautiful thing that I enjoy out of it. And
if every bull listening could take one principle
from your playbook and live it out tomorrow,
what would it be? Ah, one thing from my playbook.
Consistency. I agree. I would think consistency.
Elaborate on that word consistency to you. What
does that look like? To me, conducting myself,
like I always said before, conducting myself
the same way if someone is watching me or someone
is not watching me. If I'm hosting an event or
if I'm going to an event. I'm going to carry
myself the same way in a chat, out of a chat.
I try to carry myself the same way when I approach
other couples, females, as far as, you know,
respect. Even if it's a norm that is free range
in a chat, you can DM anybody. I go into a profile
and I see if it says open DM. My DM is open and
I'll use it. And I'm respectful when I come into
your DM. I don't just jump in your den and send
you a thousand dick pics. Well, I'm disappointed,
but other women don't like it. I try to conduct
myself and carry myself the same way. I try not
to, when I meet someone, try to act thirsty.
Even though we all may be here for the same thing,
I still would like to get to know you as a person.
Because when I go to events... I think I have
more fun with someone if I know them. And we
can talk, we can chat outside of something besides
how big my dick is, how pretty your titties are,
what's your favorite position type stuff. Getting
inside the head. It's good. Good. Socrates. Any
more questions? I mean, I'm not perfect at it.
How much time you got? I fuck up every now and
then. Well, we tried to keep it around an hour,
so you got like five minutes left. Yeah. If you
had to go over an hour, I got time. No, I'm really
enjoying it as well, brother. And so I had a
question about matchmaking. And I don't mean
like, you know, you know the kind of matchmaking
we're talking about. I think this bull would
be great for this couple. Have you ever had a
bull that you said, you know what, knowing this
bull, they would be perfect for this couple.
But then the couple either, you know right away
they're not going to say yes because it's not
their normal, like. preference or cup of tea
but you know in your spirit like back in you
in the back of your head you're like this guy
will really be good for them have you ever done
that have you ever been like you just take my
word for it and just enjoy him and the next thing
you know they had a great time um i would say
no but at the same time like i had to host the
event with a couple young ladies and usually
what i try to do i like the the whole surprise
aspect of it sometimes i don't i don't put the
young lady when i first initially was doing it
i didn't put the young ladies in the chat with
the guys because i had guys back door me to try
to get to the females and then a couple guys
back door me got to the females and the female
backed out they didn't want a good event because
they linked up with this one dude. And then he
was like, yeah, I can do all this, blah, blah,
blah. So they stopped wanting to do stuff. So
I would stop doing that. And I had a couple young
ladies that got upset about that because they
didn't want to believe or trust in the process
of what I was trying to set up for them. But
I knew that if they just came through, you know,
with open mindset and enjoyed the night, that
they would have had a great night. I have definitely
been guilty of that one, huh, babe? Yep. Then
I was like, you were right, I was wrong. It really
went good, daddy. I do believe, and I want to
ask both Tony and Brian, I really do believe
that it takes almost a little bit of knowing
sociology and psychology. In other words, like...
understanding a person almost better than they
do because you know some psychological or social
principles that say, this is just how human beings
work, no matter what they're saying. And don't
you think it requires a little bit more insight
into a person to know what a real good bull would
be or a good couple? Or is it just your experience
and kind of like intuition and sixth sense? Me,
myself, personally, I have to get to know you.
I don't feel as though that I'm that much of
an expert that I can see you somewhere or meet
you within five minutes and be like, okay, I
think this person's best for you. I want to get
to know you. because when you start getting to
know them, you start asking questions because
you'll ask someone, what's your hard nose? They'll
be like, I don't have any hard nose. Then you
throw about 10 things at them. They'll be like,
oh, hold on. I don't like this. I don't like
that. I don't like this. I don't like that. Okay,
well, those are your hard nose because a lot
of people don't think about it because, like
I said, it's all about how you were initially
brought into the lifestyle and how you've been
moving since you've been brought into the lifestyle,
the things you've been exposed to, experienced.
So you take that and you move forward until you
get a bump in the road where someone asks a question
to where you're at the very left or you're at
the very right with your answers. So I like to
get to know people and ask questions myself to
pinpoint some desires and wants and likes and
dislikes. And then I sit down and I think, okay,
what guys I think would be good moving forward.
So, yes, I would say. but psychology has a has
a factor and it plays a big factor in it i agree
i agree with you tony i agree with you tony 120
percent um i think the fam knows that that i
definitely have to get to know you um i have
to make a connection i want to get inside your
head um but at the same time i'm one hell of
a damn observer also um like when i go to say
I like to observe couples. I really do. I can
kind of feel the ones out who are, you know,
they really have talked and they're really veterans.
And, you know, they themselves want to get to
know the bull, even if he's a seasoned bull like
we are, or if he might be, you know, kind of
a first timer. You know, they know how to make
you feel comfortable. Yeah. And they're just
not necessarily ready to just go upstairs and
get it on. So, you know, you have to be able
to, I think between the two of us, we, we count
on the same sheet of music. We definitely want
to get to know the couples first and foremost.
And then we have that sixth sense when you start
asking those, you know, do's and don't questions
and all that stuff like that. And the way you
answer those questions, we know whether or not,
okay, this is probably going to be. you know,
a good encounter or we know that, hey, maybe
I need to lay off a little bit because you guys
haven't exactly, you know, crossed that bridge
yet. And then, you know, you need to talk more.
So, yeah, that's pretty much me in a nutshell.
It's the same, you know, same way you are. I
mean, I had, like, last splash, there was a young
lady I met. online through the chat we met there
was said that um downstairs dance room talked
chopped it up and um she said she wanted a gang
bang but she was nervous husband was all in for
he was ready to order what i said or she said
okay about three four dudes okay no problem i
already had a group chat set up prior to the
event so i reached out to the guys i had a couple
of guys i had about six midwest boys that went
to it with me So we reached out to everybody,
whatever. Said she was nervous. But then once
she got into it, everybody started playing. It
was like gladiators in there. It was game on.
She was like, more, more, more. More, more, more.
So it was like, you know, sometimes they don't
know exactly what all they want. And sometimes
they do. And I've had events and situations where
they thought they wanted more. And then they
was like, I think I'll just take two. Overwhelming.
Right, right, right, right. A lot of them be
like, you know, I like small numbers because
once it gets more than that, there's a whole
lot going on and I can't focus. I like to focus.
I pay attention on what I'm doing. So, you know,
everyone is not built the same. So that's why
I had a conversation to at least try to get some
type of idea how the baseline, what we're going
to be working with. Good deal. Good deal. So
when you vet, when you vet your bulls, you're
looking for that guy that he checks off all of
those boxes that we're talking about right now.
Correct? I mean, he knows how to talk, you know,
and he knows how to present himself. And basically,
if he's like you, in a way, then, you know, welcome
to the Midwest, right? Well, that way also, but
with anything, you always have those levels,
to me. In my experience, you have those levels.
You have the ones that want to kick doors in
and come in and lay it down and then walk out.
You know, some females like that. You have the
ones that come in looking like a nerd. When they
come in, they lay it down. And some females like
that. You know, you have all different types
of levels. So I like to meet them, talk to them,
let them know what my group is all about, how
we conduct ourselves. Mostly, you come in respectful.
clean looking dressed professional no not not
prepared like he went for a job but look present
yourself a clean you know type person you know
you're not looking you're not acting thirsty
and this type of stuff um you know how to talk
uh you conduct yourself in public a certain type
of way you know when you go to come come to a
meet and greet prior to event you know you i
i see how you interact with everybody you know
then i have a um a small event set up i invite
you out hey come check out see how i do things
how i run and whatnot so forth see if you're
comfortable because everyone's not always comfortable
they may think that they're comfortable like
it was for me my first time event i thought i
was like oh yeah i'm built for this then i got
there i was like oh hold on there's a whole lot
going on around here i wasn't expecting all this
so you had to get they have to get themselves
comfortable so i'll bring them in let them see
it just like a just like a female if she's never
been never done to before i invite you come out
just because you come to event doesn't mean you
have to play come out check it out check out
the vibe see how it runs that moves and if as
you sit there and you observe if that feeling
hits you to where you want to stick your toe
in stick your toe in but if it doesn't stay by
my side and any any questions that you have i'll
ask them all night long because that's what i'm
there for Well, it sounds like you're predominantly
just really about the experience. The whole package
sounds amazing from planning it to communication
to vetting people to making sure especially the
women feel comfortable. And I can't wait to attend
your event, your big one here coming up. But
we're going to wrap things up for today. We appreciate
you so much for being on tonight. And thank you
to my sexy husband and producer, Socrates. And
Brian here, take us out. Tony, again, thank you
for coming. And we'll definitely have you again.
And to all the listeners tonight, to all the
listeners tonight, this ends another informative
podcast from the Bull Brotherhood. Once again,
Tony, thank you. And as always, to all my bull
brothers out there, I bid you all good night.
And to all my sexy hot wives and sluts out there,
I bid you good morning. Y 'all have a good night
till we talk again. Bye -bye.