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mature themes, and candid conversations about

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-monogamy. It is intended for audiences 18 and

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comfortable with Frank talk about sex, kink dominance

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or emotional power this probably isn't the show

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for you but if you're ready to step into your

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masculine edge and embrace a lifestyle that demands

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mastery welcome to the brotherhood welcome to

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the bull brotherhood podcast where we talk power

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pleasure and the art of dominance and ethical

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non -monogamy this is not your average lifestyle

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podcast this is for men who lead men who master

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and men who leave a lasting impression. If you're

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here, you're not just curious. You're ready to

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elevate. So to all the bulls, hot wives, stags,

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and open -minded explorers, we see you. Let's

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go. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another

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informative episode of the Bull Brotherhood Podcast.

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I'm one third of your podcast team, the Sigma

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male himself, Brian Morgan, along with my beautiful

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family, the lovely Siren. Hello. Say what's up,

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beautiful. All right, all right. And of course,

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her lovable husband. And my brother from another

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mother. I call him nephew. The one and only Socrates.

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What's good, y 'all? What's good? What's good?

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What's good? And again, welcome to another podcast.

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Ladies and gentlemen, now we have a gentleman

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here, a seasoned bull, who is a very, very good

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friend of the lovely Siren. So she is going to

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be directing this show tonight. But first of

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all, the gentleman hails from Detroit, Michigan.

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All right. He is not only a party promoter, but

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he's also the group owner of Midwest Bulls. I

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say again, the group owner of Midwest Bulls.

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He has 14 years of experience in this lifestyle,

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and I'm proud to call him a member of the Bull

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Brotherhood. Ladies and gentlemen, again, from

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Detroit, Michigan, welcome, Tony. Hey, how's

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everybody doing tonight? I appreciate the invite.

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We're doing good. We're doing very good, and

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we are so glad to have you here tonight, okay?

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I'm going to need help. I'm going to nearly turn

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this over to Siren. This is her world and not

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her show. So beautiful. Go ahead and take over

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this. Well, it is absolutely an honor, especially

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since I found out only two minutes ago that I

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was going to be running this thing. But as a

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type A firstborn female, I think I got this covered.

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Thank you. Outstanding. Well, Tony. I was joking

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that I had to bribe you to come on, but I think

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it was just a few dirty pictures and spreading

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my cheeks or something like that. So nothing

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too tedious. But I met Tony at Splash Mocha a

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few years ago now, and right away he invited

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me to be a part of one of his gang bangs. what

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better way to introduce yourself and meet someone

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than naked with six dudes. Like I loved it. It

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was a great introduction. So, but we're not here

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to talk about me. We're here to talk about you,

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Tony, and like your journey into the lifestyle

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and becoming the bull that you are today with

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all that experience. So let's just get this show

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started. When did you first realize that you

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weren't built for monogamy and what did that

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awakening feel like? I really wouldn't say that

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I'm not built for monogamy. I jumped into the

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lifestyle. It was based because I'm prior military

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and I jumped into the lifestyle because whenever

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I would transfer from one state to another state.

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i was i wasn't in a relationship so basically

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i was between relationships and then because

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then so i got myself comfortable with where i

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was at or i got into a relationship and then

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recently i would say within the last 10 years

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i've basically just been doing full -blown lifestyle

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things you know before i was off and on when

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i was out of town in a different state i would

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go entertain go go to events and check out the

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local flavor and taste of excitement and since

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i've moved back home to detroit i've been you

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know wonderful full blown into it and it's it's

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just it cuts away a lot of the guessing games

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i guess people would say that you know the whole

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um dating aspect of it trying to size someone

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out feel someone out stuff like that We all know

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what we're here for, and we want to all have

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fun. Yeah, it cuts out a lot of the ambiguity,

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and I like it because I can just get straight

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to the point, which is kind of who I am. Like

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you said, what we're here for. You don't have

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to beat around the bush unless you want to. Some

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people enjoy longer conversations. Other people

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are DTF, and there's something for everybody

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in this lifestyle. Right. So just tell us a little

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bit about, you know, you said you got into it

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with the military and all of that. Tell us about

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your first lifestyle experience. Who was involved

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and how did that go? I was in California and

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during this time frame, I was stationed on board

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a ship and we were going through a inspection

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cycle and me being the excellent leader that

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i am whenever the specter was on board i was

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keeping busy while my people was funneling through

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the inspection so he wasn't paying attention

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to all the stuff they weren't doing and um we

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just got to talking and it was a week -long inspection

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he was like hey what you got going on friday

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friday night i said nothing else going on he's

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like well we i'm hosting this party up in um

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la why don't you come up and i was in san diego

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so it's like our hour drive Right. Because, like,

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you got some people coming down from Vegas and

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L .A., and, you know, we got a hotel party. I

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said, cool, I'm there. You know, give me the

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address. And when I showed up, it was a lifestyle

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party. He didn't tell me there was a lifestyle

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party prior to getting there when I showed up.

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And it was a lifestyle party. And I was like,

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oh, this is my type of party. You know, everyone

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always feels and thinks that way. And I was like,

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oh, okay, this is a whole lot going on. And it

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was interesting, you know, for the first time.

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And that exposed me to it. And after that exposure

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to it, my best friend, well, good friend at the

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time, I was in the middle of transferring. He

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was like, yo, check out this site. and i was

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like okay what's that is that he's like this

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is a site where people go and they link up with

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like -minded people that want to get down and

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you know say you can find some some freaks in

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the area that you're going to blah blah blah

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i was like okay so that's like i jumped on the

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online sites and then from there it's been all

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wide open systems go did you did you know no

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turning back Did you feel comfortable immediately

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when you stepped into that party? Like this is

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meant to happen. This is who I am. At first I

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did, you know, all males, they feel cocky. Oh,

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okay. I'm going to get down. But then, you know,

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after you sit there and stuff like that, you

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realize, hold on, this is, I'm just not a whip

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it out, pop up and jump into action type of guy.

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So, you know, I had to get comfortable with it,

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have to sit around and watch for a minute and

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see what everybody else was doing. And then,

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you know what I'm saying, get myself comfortable

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to the scene and all the other types of stuff.

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You know, and like I said, it was more dudes

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than females. So, you know, you have to get used

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to other dudes running around, you know, butt

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naked, you know, used to that type of setting

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and stuff like that. So you're like, oh, man,

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okay. So, you know, when you're doing that, everybody,

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you're mentally judging inside and everybody's

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like, oh, okay. um all right what's going on

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you know how how am i gonna fit in and what am

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i gonna do then then you start interacting with

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the females and you know it's time it's showtime

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so you know you you slowly but surely feel your

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way through and and um you know like i say it

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at first i was excited then i was like okay then

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i reality hit then i had to get myself comfortable

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with the situation and then you know once i was

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able to get comfortable you know It was action

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on deck. I just have one question. Marines or

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Navy? Navy. There you go. You know how many Navy

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dues I fuck with and then I married one. Well,

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we got Navy and Army up in here representing

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right now. No, but it's just kind of like a reoccurring

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theme in my life. So when a guy tells me he's

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in the Navy, I'm like, of course you are. I love

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it. So at what point did you start, you know,

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gathering other bulls together and, you know,

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forming groups and, you know, doing the gang

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bangs, doing other parties? Like how far into

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your journey in the lifestyle did you start doing

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that? Well, I started doing parties from jump

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whenever I would go for a different state and

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get on all the online groups and whatnot, so

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forth. and meet people that I started going to

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their events. I started doing my own thing, I

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would say about, I'd say eight years ago, seven

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years ago. What happened was once I came back

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home and I was going to events and meeting other

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young ladies and hot wives, things of nature,

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a few of them would be like, hey, you got friends,

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bring your friends over. I was like, I don't

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fuck with nobody like that. then you know after

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you got here in a couple times you got friends

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bring your friends over and this is people first

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time interacting with them they're like oh you

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know this is what i'm into and if you got some

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friends i want to get down i'm open to you bring

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your friends with you so i said okay so i started

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seeing signs i was like well maybe i'm gonna

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start recruiting some dudes and then as i started

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going to events i started seeing other dudes

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seeing how they how they move how they interact

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i said okay i can see myself kicking with this

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dude because i know we interact here at this

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event so i don't have any you know we're cool

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Things seem to be like -minded type stuff. So

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I'll ask one dude, hey, this is what I'm trying

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to do. You know, when I hook up with some females,

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you know, you want to get down. You know, I hit

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you up. I'm trying to start this little group,

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trying to get about six, eight of us together.

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So when it's a pop -off, I can reach out to some

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brothers. You know, we all hook up, we all link

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up, and we all go, and, you know, we have a party.

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And they're just like, oh, yeah, cool. One dude

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led the two dudes, two dudes led the three. Next

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thing I know, I had 100 dudes in my group. And

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I said, okay, this is a big thing. So I figured,

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okay, well, what do my group call us? And this

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was before I even knew it. I was at an event

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dealing with a young lady from Ohio. And she's

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a hot wife and was playing. She was like, huh,

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I need you to come to Ohio. I said, cool. She

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was like, yep, you're a real bull. And then,

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see, I know I say, we're going to call ourselves

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the Midwest Bulls. And that's how I spawned it.

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That's awesome. So you say you got 100 guys?

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Initially, throughout the years of adding guys

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and testing them out and seeing, test out their

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vibe and see if they're going to work with us,

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I had about 130 guys. but then but then as time

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progressed guys started falling off real life

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issues started started happening or the vibes

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once they got into the group their true colors

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started showing and once they they were say they

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say say that they're gonna come out to an event

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say they're gonna come out to a small little

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gathering and they never show up so i started

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deleting guys right now i think i'm at like uh

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70. okay what's your what's your uh What's your

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criteria for a brother being accepted into your

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brotherhood? It's all about the vibe. It's the

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chemistry, the vibe. You come in with respect

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of yourself, respect of the lifestyle, respect

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of the vet, respect of the young lady that's

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coming to have a party. Because my initial...

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idea overall for the reason why I made the group

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was for young ladies that want to experiment

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more into the lifestyle to other kinks what I

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want about a big party type setting. Because

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some females in one of their big party type settings,

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a lot of pressure and they feel overwhelmed.

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So I try to make it a small setting. You know,

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for every one female, I'll set up four to six

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dudes. That way she feels more comfortable and,

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you know, it's a more controlled environment.

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And that's, you know, based off that. And I talk

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to the dudes, give them an idea what it is. that

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my group is all about, you know, and prior to

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the event, I put out the rules and regulations.

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You know, you come clean looking, clean smelling,

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clean tasting, you know, brush your teeth, have

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a good personality, good vibes, because that's

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what the females want. They want good vibes.

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They want to feel safe. They want to feel comfortable.

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You know, they want to, you know, enjoy themselves.

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They want to feel wanted. They want to feel the

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passion and the small sin without a whole bunch

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of pressure. You know, you show up. You show

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up all the time. You know, we say doors will

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open at 7. Come at 7, 6 .30, 6 .45, 7 o 'clock.

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No later because I close the door. Doors open

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at one time and doors close at another time.

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You're not coming at, you know, the party is

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at 8. You're not coming at midnight. Somebody,

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I'm here. Let's get it. No, she's been playing

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for the last three, four hours. She's tired.

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So, you know, have respect. If you say you're

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going to be there. Be there. I understand real

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life happens. We'll have to have communication,

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open -minded communication. Everybody in my group,

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you can reach me 24 -7. So if something pops

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up where you can't make it, say something, you

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know. Yeah. Well, it sounds like, too, you've

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answered a few of the things, but I was going

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to ask you, what do you think separates a high

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-value bull from a thirsty one? You know, obviously

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the respect factor, but. How you conduct yourself.

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How you conduct yourself at events. How you conduct

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yourself in the group chats. How you conduct

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yourself, you know, just online period prior

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to an event, at an event, and after an event.

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All that says a lot about you. You know, your

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character. Not only, you know, if someone is

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watching you, but when someone is not watching

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you. Right. You know, you could be a... a good

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person but you still have some nasty ways about

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yourself you know you come to the event and you

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know you you haven't showered you haven't brushed

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your teeth you don't smell good like you know

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you're not doing it if if you're in a chat and

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prior to the event and in groups not just my

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my my event but any group events like for you

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know other big parties And she knows in there

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without asking, without getting permission to

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speak with them, you jump in their DMs and, you

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know, and the first thing they see when they

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open up first in the morning is a dick pic. Right.

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Then you flood their DMs. Oh, I wish I had a

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dollar. With dick pics. Me and Socrates would

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be on a beach somewhere. Right. Or you're constantly

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asking her for new pics or new vids, you know.

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Just stuff like that. You have to show patience.

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You have to show integrity about yourself and

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how you move. I like all of that. And that could

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be why you and I jive so well in the play space

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and in just regular life. We've talked many,

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many times. When you have like the parties and

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the different things and you go to other people's

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events, when you walk into the room as a bull,

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as a promoter, what are some of the things that

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you first notice about what's going on? The communication

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levels. If people are being cliquish, people

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are openly conversating with other people. You

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know, when I host an event, a small event, I'm

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not playing. So I'm there as security and to

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make sure everyone is following all the rules

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and regulations that they're supposed to be doing.

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I love that. I don't mean to cut you off, but

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I love that. Keep going. I love that. That's

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a businessman. I love that. I love that. Go ahead.

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I like to, for an event, like when I initially

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started doing them, I was doing house parties.

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So I would set up a group chat prior to the event.

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And my mindset is that with the group, the reason

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for the group chat prior to the event, it's for

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everyone to communicate and talk to each other.

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It's for everyone to break that ice. So by the

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time the event comes, that part is already done.

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You know, initially I was doing, you know, lifestyle

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play, coming to play parties, you know, but then

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I turned them into an actual party with the opportunity

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to play based on the vibe that you get from the

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person you want to play with. But initially they

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were, you know, everyone is here to play and

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whatnot so forth. So once you show up, the ladies

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have opportunity to go change, get into their

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sexy outfit. The guys set up, I turn music on

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and, you know, everyone mix, mix and mingles.

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Don't come talk to me about the person that you

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sit over in the corner. You go talk to that young

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lady. You go talk to that man. You go get to

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know them. Don't come talk to me. Ask me questions

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about them. You go talk to them. I observe that.

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I observe how people interact with other people.

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Some males and females, they can be cliquish

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at events and whatnot so forth. And then you

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always have what I like to call the party favorites.

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The party favorites are the ones that because

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they show up to any event, they think everyone

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is going to automatically say yes to them. I'm

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here, so you're supposed to say yes to me. I

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don't deal with those type of people. Love it.

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So that would be what makes a guest unforgettable

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for the wrong reason. But what makes a guest

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unforgettable for the right reason? What kind

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of people stand out in your mind that really

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help move that party along? How they carry themselves,

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how they move throughout the party, how they

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interact with everyone. They're coming in to...

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to have a vibe, to have a chemistry, to build

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chemistry, to have a vibe with you. They're not

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just here acting thirsty. You know, they're not

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walking around. A male's not walking around up

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to a female with his junk out. You know, it's

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like, hey, what's going on? My name is Sunset

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Sunset. I want to play. You know, that type of

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stuff. Business card first. Right. Females are

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just walking around. grabbing on all the dudes

00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:02.660
that they see. And when I saw them, they, they,

00:21:02.660 --> 00:21:04.720
they carry themselves, even though they're here,

00:21:04.859 --> 00:21:06.660
they want to be freaky. They want to be, you

00:21:06.660 --> 00:21:08.920
know, they want to enjoy the chocolate, but they

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still have class about themselves. They still

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conduct themselves as a lady, you know, and then

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when the time comes to play, then that comes

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out. She wants to make an impact. She wants to

00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:23.779
make an impact, not just there to just drop a

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draw and give it any damn board is there. She

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wants to make an impact and impression. You know,

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just like the bull. Just like there's one thing

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to go to a party and you just be a thirsty, a

00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:36.980
thirsty damn bull with your dick out and shit

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and trying to hit everything compared to you

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wanting to make that connection. All right? That

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connection. You want to get inside of their head.

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Yeah. And, I mean, I tell everybody, just because

00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:52.799
someone is playing, that's not an open -door

00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:56.819
policy for anybody to jump in. If a female is

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playing with a dude, with one dude, give her

00:22:00.779 --> 00:22:02.779
that space. Give him that respect. Give both

00:22:02.779 --> 00:22:05.099
of them that respect. They may just want just

00:22:05.099 --> 00:22:09.059
to be solo. And if you hadn't asked prior to,

00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:13.579
don't just get butt naked and jump in. You can

00:22:13.579 --> 00:22:15.400
ask while they're playing, hey, can I touch?

00:22:15.619 --> 00:22:19.539
Can I watch? Can I join? If you watch and be

00:22:19.539 --> 00:22:22.059
quiet, sit back and just enjoy the show. If you

00:22:22.059 --> 00:22:24.660
want to join in. And you ask, and everybody say

00:22:24.660 --> 00:22:27.619
yes, good to go. Jump in and have fun. I didn't

00:22:27.619 --> 00:22:30.339
seem, I almost had to put dudes out, I almost

00:22:30.339 --> 00:22:32.599
had to put some other dudes out, put hands on

00:22:32.599 --> 00:22:34.539
dudes. They just get butt naked and just try

00:22:34.539 --> 00:22:37.079
to jump in. Whip their dick out and put it in

00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:38.720
somebody's face. Hold on, no, that's not what

00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:42.359
we're doing here. That's why I bring my husband

00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:46.059
or you to those, to direct. where the dicks should

00:22:46.059 --> 00:22:50.960
go and be. I've seen females, because a dude

00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:54.019
was interacting with a female and he was on his

00:22:54.019 --> 00:22:57.099
back, she just jumped up and threw a hoo -ha

00:22:57.099 --> 00:23:00.539
in his face. Hold on. Come on now. You don't

00:23:00.539 --> 00:23:02.579
want nobody to guess you, so respect other people's

00:23:02.579 --> 00:23:14.299
face. Good deal. Oh, goodness. This is fun. So,

00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:16.880
One of the things that Socrates and I were talking

00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:19.720
about at the party we had this weekend at our

00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:23.859
local little spot around here is a lot of times

00:23:23.859 --> 00:23:27.140
parties can go two ways in my mind sometimes.

00:23:27.539 --> 00:23:30.119
They can either be like, everybody's getting

00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:32.079
down, everybody's getting busy, everybody's having

00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:36.299
a great time, or it ends up everyone kind of

00:23:36.299 --> 00:23:38.240
standing, like you said, kind of cliquish, kind

00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:40.619
of in the corner, kind of... just standing against

00:23:40.619 --> 00:23:42.779
the wall, like resembling very much a seventh

00:23:42.779 --> 00:23:47.559
grade dance. What is some things that you do

00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:50.940
to help keep that party flowing? Like do you

00:23:50.940 --> 00:23:54.559
ever do like icebreakers or mixers? Socrates

00:23:54.559 --> 00:23:56.859
and I, we just come up with our own things sometimes

00:23:56.859 --> 00:24:00.000
because we just try to get the party started

00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:02.380
wherever we're at. So like one time, you know,

00:24:02.380 --> 00:24:04.819
three years into being in the lifestyle, we went

00:24:04.819 --> 00:24:07.710
to a party and we said. we're new to the lifestyle.

00:24:07.769 --> 00:24:11.650
What are your tips and, and, you know, advice

00:24:11.650 --> 00:24:15.250
for new people? And that was really fun because

00:24:15.250 --> 00:24:18.069
these people leaned in and really like everyone

00:24:18.069 --> 00:24:20.490
was really kind. And, and then we told them,

00:24:20.509 --> 00:24:21.890
you know, kind of at the end of the conversation,

00:24:21.950 --> 00:24:24.630
we're not really new, but we loved everything

00:24:24.630 --> 00:24:27.160
you said. And we're always trying to help new

00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:29.299
people. So we just want to play a little game

00:24:29.299 --> 00:24:32.839
to get it going. Or other times we'll just go

00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:36.200
up and ask the typical questions like, how many

00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:38.680
times have you come to these parties? How long

00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:42.079
have you been in the lifestyle? Things of that

00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:44.440
nature. But what are some things that you do

00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:47.700
to encourage your guests or kind of keep things

00:24:47.700 --> 00:24:50.200
going so it doesn't just end up like the seventh

00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:58.920
grade dance? Tall jump. I mean, because it's

00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:03.240
my party. So 9 to 10, I know 90 % of the people

00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:06.480
there. You know, I vibe with 97 % of people there.

00:25:06.539 --> 00:25:08.180
Every now and then, you know, we have a group

00:25:08.180 --> 00:25:10.740
of new people. But I mostly just try to talk

00:25:10.740 --> 00:25:14.539
junk, keep everybody comfortable. I whip out

00:25:14.539 --> 00:25:19.779
my flogs and start flogging somebody. that um

00:25:19.779 --> 00:25:23.279
that's that's sexy that everyone is is into but

00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:27.640
nervous to say something to i um yeah i just

00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:31.740
do stuff like that if it's a smaller um event

00:25:31.740 --> 00:25:34.019
that i'm hosting for a certain particular one

00:25:34.019 --> 00:25:36.480
or two females then i'll start messing with them

00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:39.519
just to get them going and to show the guys that

00:25:39.519 --> 00:25:42.519
hey they're here to have fun get off your phones

00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:45.160
interact with them and then once i get them going

00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:48.539
i'll step away and say okay guys You know, green

00:25:48.539 --> 00:25:50.920
light is on, you know, you guys have fun with

00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:54.039
it. And then if things may slow down and she's

00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:57.380
still in a mood, I'll come over, play with her,

00:25:57.460 --> 00:26:00.359
talk to her, a union break. Just, you know, keep

00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.880
it going some type of way. It varies sometimes

00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:07.099
from event to event, what I do. You know, sometimes

00:26:07.099 --> 00:26:09.180
it's the spur of the moment. I may do something

00:26:09.180 --> 00:26:11.180
different that I hadn't done in life. Another

00:26:11.180 --> 00:26:14.170
one, if I have a... connection with the female

00:26:14.170 --> 00:26:16.269
and she's talked to me about a few different

00:26:16.269 --> 00:26:20.150
things just to break the the pace of things i'll

00:26:20.150 --> 00:26:24.069
break out my bdsm bag and you know she may want

00:26:24.069 --> 00:26:26.410
to try something new that she hadn't tried or

00:26:26.410 --> 00:26:29.009
i'll break out some toys and play with her in

00:26:29.009 --> 00:26:31.529
front of everybody why everyone to stand there

00:26:31.529 --> 00:26:35.970
and all googling i'll break out um a couple different

00:26:35.970 --> 00:26:40.490
like i said uh paddles vlogs i'll put some some

00:26:40.490 --> 00:26:45.279
cups on her or I'll put her in a spreader bar.

00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:53.759
So it sounds like you become the entertainment,

00:26:54.019 --> 00:26:58.519
essentially. You know, you get the female, you

00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:00.940
go in the middle of the room. I know Socrates

00:27:00.940 --> 00:27:04.880
and I went to this club. Should I say the name

00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:09.880
of it? Yeah, Pravada. And nobody, it's three

00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:13.259
floors of... tons of people and nobody's fucking.

00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:17.599
And we're like, what in the hell? And it's late

00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:19.140
in the evening. There's so many people just standing

00:27:19.140 --> 00:27:21.740
around. So there was this big round Ottoman in

00:27:21.740 --> 00:27:23.880
the middle of this huge room that had probably

00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:28.119
a few hundred people in it. And we just start

00:27:28.119 --> 00:27:31.259
putting on our own show there. So, you know,

00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:33.059
sometimes you just got to get that party moving

00:27:33.059 --> 00:27:36.440
no matter what. So that's a fun way. Um, you

00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:38.420
know, I like, I like your style on that Socrates.

00:27:39.069 --> 00:27:44.630
Yeah. Do you play at your parties, Tony? In my

00:27:44.630 --> 00:27:47.430
small events that I host for like one or two

00:27:47.430 --> 00:27:49.670
females to have, you know, they're fun. No, I

00:27:49.670 --> 00:27:53.529
don't. Only ones I usually play at are my weekend

00:27:53.529 --> 00:27:55.990
takeover, matching takeovers, because we're there

00:27:55.990 --> 00:27:57.930
for the whole weekend. And everyone there is

00:27:57.930 --> 00:28:04.849
policing everybody. Yeah, because I, you know,

00:28:04.890 --> 00:28:07.900
in the industry segment. I'm going to be talking

00:28:07.900 --> 00:28:11.440
to a lot of promoters, and you're the first one

00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:13.900
that I've talked to that actually says, yeah,

00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:17.339
I do. Because most of them are like, you can't

00:28:17.339 --> 00:28:19.880
play at your parties. And I'm new to the game,

00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:23.940
and I'm a systems thinker, and I was like, it

00:28:23.940 --> 00:28:27.480
just doesn't set with me. I'm like, I feel like

00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:30.359
you should be able to. And like you said, so

00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:33.700
can you expound on everybody? You said everybody.

00:28:36.109 --> 00:28:38.190
He's policing each other. Policing each other,

00:28:38.289 --> 00:28:40.230
right. Because he's kind of already pre -vetted

00:28:40.230 --> 00:28:44.650
those people. So kind of tell us on those weekends,

00:28:44.789 --> 00:28:47.390
like, yeah, how does that work so that you can

00:28:47.390 --> 00:28:52.569
balance everything? So, like, my annual weekend

00:28:52.569 --> 00:28:55.029
match and takeover is the Taurus Bash. It's hosted

00:28:55.029 --> 00:28:57.849
every year up in the local Detroit, Michigan

00:28:57.849 --> 00:29:03.079
area. So it's a Friday, Saturday. and late checkout

00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.559
on Sunday after we have brunch. Everyone gets

00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:07.960
a chance to wrestle and so forth. So those type

00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:12.440
of events, when everyone comes Friday, you know,

00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:14.880
we have the usual mix and mingle. Then I put

00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:17.759
out all the rules and regulations before anybody

00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:20.759
touches anybody, before anybody plays. I put

00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:23.279
out all the rules and regulations in the chat

00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:26.710
prior to. and i do it also before once everyone

00:29:26.710 --> 00:29:29.029
gets there and checks in everyone's get situated

00:29:29.029 --> 00:29:32.210
and whatnot so forth those type of events are

00:29:32.210 --> 00:29:35.549
because the cut down on costs i put it out that

00:29:35.549 --> 00:29:38.109
everyone is helping everyone everyone helps with

00:29:38.109 --> 00:29:41.009
the cleaning everyone helps with the the every

00:29:41.009 --> 00:29:43.390
aspect of the whole weekend so we're all there

00:29:43.390 --> 00:29:47.150
and everyone prior to being invited to that event

00:29:47.150 --> 00:29:51.710
is vetted so it's not an open door policy that

00:29:51.710 --> 00:29:54.890
and everybody can come So everyone is vetted

00:29:54.890 --> 00:29:58.190
to a certain extent because you can only vet

00:29:58.190 --> 00:30:02.029
someone up to a certain point. They're either

00:30:02.029 --> 00:30:03.329
going to lie to you or they're going to always

00:30:03.329 --> 00:30:06.789
say the truth. So we have it, and it's always

00:30:06.789 --> 00:30:12.089
rules. As far as playing stuff is concerned,

00:30:12.269 --> 00:30:15.250
we have rules and regulations, yellow light,

00:30:15.349 --> 00:30:18.250
green light, red light. And at any point, at

00:30:18.250 --> 00:30:21.750
any time, if my name is called, everything stops.

00:30:22.990 --> 00:30:26.250
I don't care if you halfway up inside somebody,

00:30:26.609 --> 00:30:28.829
either way it go, everything stops. We figure

00:30:28.829 --> 00:30:31.869
out what's going on. And everyone respects that.

00:30:31.950 --> 00:30:33.609
Everyone respects everyone's boundaries. Everyone

00:30:33.609 --> 00:30:35.849
respects everyone's space and the whole event.

00:30:35.990 --> 00:30:38.369
Because if you don't, then you have to go immediately.

00:30:38.730 --> 00:30:41.009
There's no second chances. There's no second

00:30:41.009 --> 00:30:45.170
guessing. All that. If you invite someone that

00:30:45.170 --> 00:30:47.809
comes with you and they break rules, you have

00:30:47.809 --> 00:30:51.420
to go along with that person. So those events

00:30:51.420 --> 00:30:55.059
are more of a family style. Everyone comes to

00:30:55.059 --> 00:30:58.619
party with the option and opportunity to play

00:30:58.619 --> 00:31:01.819
all weekend. It's a grown and sexy type of event.

00:31:01.900 --> 00:31:04.339
So we don't want anyone coming to act like acting

00:31:04.339 --> 00:31:06.799
childish and whatnot so forth. So those I feel

00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:09.240
more comfortable with. But it's a big mansion.

00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:11.460
So I can't be everywhere at the exact same time.

00:31:11.779 --> 00:31:14.539
So most of the guys that are in my Bulls group,

00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:18.160
they know the rules and regulations. So they

00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:21.500
help me. police everything going on and guys

00:31:21.500 --> 00:31:24.180
that come with with their wives because if you

00:31:24.180 --> 00:31:26.160
come with your wife you want to make sure that

00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:28.140
she's protected at all times and she's comfortable

00:31:28.140 --> 00:31:31.279
so you'll you'll have eyes on everything going

00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:37.859
on around you also so and then as far as a smaller

00:31:37.859 --> 00:31:41.039
event when i host here like i said i have one

00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:43.900
or two females and i have six to eight guys in

00:31:43.900 --> 00:31:47.640
there I'm policing. I'm security. Make sure everyone

00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:49.259
follow rules. Make sure everyone is good to go.

00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:51.339
Make sure the female is always good to go. So

00:31:51.339 --> 00:31:54.200
those, I don't play because I'm constantly watching.

00:31:55.099 --> 00:31:59.000
No, all my events are kind of a requirement.

00:32:00.059 --> 00:32:03.579
Now, the mansion takeovers, if two adults can

00:32:03.579 --> 00:32:05.420
sit in the adults' side they want to go without,

00:32:05.740 --> 00:32:07.720
that's on you. Don't come back and talk to me

00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:12.660
about it. That's on you. My smaller events, because

00:32:12.660 --> 00:32:15.880
the females, they ask, they require, I want all

00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:17.920
condoms, so I make sure everyone wears condoms

00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:20.299
and they change them out between, you know, and

00:32:20.299 --> 00:32:24.140
everyone's respecting everyone. I like that.

00:32:24.220 --> 00:32:28.019
I like that a lot. What's the sexiest thing a

00:32:28.019 --> 00:32:30.259
woman has ever said to you personally at one

00:32:30.259 --> 00:32:38.730
of your events? Hi. Stop it. Well, I'm not going

00:32:38.730 --> 00:32:42.190
to waste my words next time I see you. If all

00:32:42.190 --> 00:32:46.210
I have to do is say hi. The sexiest thing to

00:32:46.210 --> 00:32:49.849
me, I mean, one of the biggest reasons why I

00:32:49.849 --> 00:32:52.089
host is because I like to bring people together

00:32:52.089 --> 00:32:55.250
to have fun and enjoy themselves in a comfortable

00:32:55.250 --> 00:32:58.269
environment. And I think one of the sexiest things

00:32:58.269 --> 00:33:02.029
to me that got me excited was one, that someone

00:33:02.029 --> 00:33:05.950
said they really enjoyed it and they felt safe

00:33:05.950 --> 00:33:08.920
and comfortable. at an event that I host. And

00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:12.720
any event that I host, if I invite them, that

00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:16.200
they'll show up to me. Yeah, that's awesome.

00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:18.660
We're really excited. We're going to be attending

00:33:18.660 --> 00:33:22.720
your next one. So we're excited to watch and

00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.799
learn and see how it flows and what ideas that

00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:27.980
we can incorporate to, you know, things that

00:33:27.980 --> 00:33:29.759
we're going to host in the future as well. So

00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:33.720
we like, especially Socrates, loves learning,

00:33:33.819 --> 00:33:36.680
loves asking questions. He'll probably follow

00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:39.519
you around all weekend and get all the knowledge.

00:33:41.380 --> 00:33:43.359
I'm not waiting until then. I'm asking some questions

00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.200
on here. Okay, what questions do you have for

00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:49.779
him right now? I was waiting for my turn. Go

00:33:49.779 --> 00:33:55.900
ahead. So one of the things is Unk, me and Unk

00:33:55.900 --> 00:33:58.519
were talking about how we want to do parties.

00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:02.839
And one of the things that Unk wants to do that

00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:06.119
I really love. is he wants to kind of match up

00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:09.659
couples and bulls. Not like you have to be with

00:34:09.659 --> 00:34:13.300
that person or this is your person, but suggestions

00:34:13.300 --> 00:34:16.280
and recommendations because you can tell certain

00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:21.800
types of bulls and the kind of couples that match

00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:25.380
up. I'm not there yet. So do you do that? And

00:34:25.380 --> 00:34:28.440
if so, how do you do it? And if not, why not?

00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:34.260
I do it to a certain extent. Like if a young

00:34:34.260 --> 00:34:40.000
lady or a hot wife or a couple, a husband, reaches

00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.440
out to me saying that they want something, want

00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.579
to do something. So what I initially do is I

00:34:45.579 --> 00:34:48.400
get to know that person or that couple. I ask

00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:51.559
a lot of questions as far as to get to know them,

00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.420
their type of personality, what they like in

00:34:54.420 --> 00:34:57.099
a lifestyle, what they don't like, hard yeses,

00:34:57.099 --> 00:35:00.250
hard nos. the type of things that they're looking

00:35:00.250 --> 00:35:04.429
to have done to them or the type of things that

00:35:04.429 --> 00:35:06.849
the husband would like to see done to his wife

00:35:06.849 --> 00:35:09.389
or girlfriend, the type of things that she would

00:35:09.389 --> 00:35:14.329
like to have experienced during this event that

00:35:14.329 --> 00:35:15.869
she's coming to that I'm setting up for her.

00:35:16.090 --> 00:35:18.389
And then after getting to know them, ask them

00:35:18.389 --> 00:35:20.849
a few little questions, I kind of have an idea

00:35:20.849 --> 00:35:23.980
of my guys that are in my group. And I kind of

00:35:23.980 --> 00:35:25.840
go through, okay, well, I think this person will

00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:29.139
fit perfect with them at this event. Then I go

00:35:29.139 --> 00:35:32.360
to those individual guys. I say, hey, I got this

00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:34.400
young lady, this couple that's trying to have

00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:36.260
an event. This is what they're into. This is

00:35:36.260 --> 00:35:40.920
what they want. Are you free? And, you know,

00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:45.599
if they ask for four, I usually invite, I usually

00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.280
go to 10 guys because out of 10, I'll probably

00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:52.199
get four because of time schedules and whatnot.

00:35:52.909 --> 00:35:56.389
You know, real life situations. You know, everyone

00:35:56.389 --> 00:36:00.429
is working and whatnot. And after knowing, interacting

00:36:00.429 --> 00:36:03.789
with the guys in my group, I kind of got to have

00:36:03.789 --> 00:36:06.889
an idea of how they move in a lifestyle, the

00:36:06.889 --> 00:36:09.130
type of sex that they have, the type of things

00:36:09.130 --> 00:36:11.670
that they're into. So once I have an idea about

00:36:11.670 --> 00:36:14.550
that type of stuff, mentally, I can pair them

00:36:14.550 --> 00:36:17.289
with someone that comes in or wants something

00:36:17.289 --> 00:36:22.300
in particular. Now, when it comes to... a um

00:36:22.300 --> 00:36:26.380
big event like a weekend takeover you know i

00:36:26.380 --> 00:36:29.900
don't i have um i invite a mixture of all the

00:36:29.900 --> 00:36:31.300
ones in my group because it feels like view my

00:36:31.300 --> 00:36:33.579
group i don't i should be able to invite you

00:36:33.579 --> 00:36:39.119
anything that i that i throw that type of events

00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:42.559
me personally from outside looking in i think

00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:45.360
it's a uh two stage to it well actually three

00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:47.760
stage because you guys have to interview the

00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:50.550
males and the females and then i would put together

00:36:50.550 --> 00:36:54.510
like a little meet and greet type thing or like

00:36:54.510 --> 00:36:57.449
um some people like to say a speed date type

00:36:57.449 --> 00:36:59.650
scenario where they get to go around and talk

00:36:59.650 --> 00:37:03.590
to different people and then they can kind of

00:37:03.590 --> 00:37:06.150
put they put have their little interest in interest

00:37:06.150 --> 00:37:08.289
or people that they like that they think that

00:37:08.289 --> 00:37:11.650
they vibe with and then you know once they get

00:37:11.650 --> 00:37:15.530
done everyone talks to you both sides and then

00:37:15.530 --> 00:37:17.730
you kind of you know work it out from there i

00:37:17.730 --> 00:37:20.579
don't i don't think it's cookie cutter experience

00:37:20.579 --> 00:37:22.400
because i think it's all gonna be trial and error

00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:24.980
trying to you know initiate and get it all down

00:37:24.980 --> 00:37:27.980
to a science for i think the first two or three

00:37:27.980 --> 00:37:30.760
times but i think by the time the fourth time

00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:32.880
and it depends on how big you try to make it

00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:35.679
you have a kind of a good idea after talking

00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:37.500
to so many people and getting to know them and

00:37:37.500 --> 00:37:39.139
their personalities and type of kinks and things

00:37:39.139 --> 00:37:40.639
that they like what they're into what they're

00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:46.139
looking for um can i ask you a personal question

00:37:48.670 --> 00:37:53.769
Oh, Lord. Do you currently have a significant

00:37:53.769 --> 00:37:59.590
other? Yes, I have a girlfriend and lifestyle.

00:38:00.110 --> 00:38:04.349
Okay, so tell us about that. Because you do go

00:38:04.349 --> 00:38:07.769
to these events solo most of the time. So how

00:38:07.769 --> 00:38:10.809
do you guys, what's your communication like to

00:38:10.809 --> 00:38:14.690
work out all the details of who's going where?

00:38:14.789 --> 00:38:16.750
Like, what are some of your guidelines that you

00:38:16.750 --> 00:38:19.280
guys have for each other? And together so you

00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:24.019
can navigate the lifestyle successfully. It's

00:38:24.019 --> 00:38:28.880
new, really, to me, for me. I tried, like I said

00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.539
before, I was in and out. If I was in a relationship,

00:38:32.659 --> 00:38:34.219
I was in a lifestyle. When I was in a relationship,

00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:37.860
I was in a lifestyle. I tried it before with

00:38:37.860 --> 00:38:41.929
a couple. And it didn't work out because of communication

00:38:41.929 --> 00:38:44.710
or whatever. It was always two against one. I

00:38:44.710 --> 00:38:47.570
don't like that. If I don't have a full say -so

00:38:47.570 --> 00:38:51.530
and how things should go, then it's not a real

00:38:51.530 --> 00:38:57.150
relationship. But this one, I don't know. It's

00:38:57.150 --> 00:39:01.070
different. We're still working on how to navigate

00:39:01.070 --> 00:39:04.110
a lot of different things. I think you have to

00:39:04.110 --> 00:39:07.159
be flexible. You have to be understanding. of

00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:09.119
the person that you want to have a relationship

00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:12.559
with and how you met that person you know your

00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:16.400
your mindset at the time that you met that person

00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:19.139
and your mindset moving forth how you see yourself

00:39:19.139 --> 00:39:21.920
where you see yourself and how you see yourself

00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:23.940
you know within a lifestyle how you guys want

00:39:23.940 --> 00:39:28.500
to move right now we're um going to events together

00:39:28.500 --> 00:39:34.139
to make sure that our relationship is solid prior

00:39:34.139 --> 00:39:39.420
to trying to go to anything so um solo yeah that's

00:39:39.420 --> 00:39:43.579
what we did too like probably good man well we

00:39:43.579 --> 00:39:47.760
went to events for we still probably like a year

00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:51.480
well at least well i don't think that we have

00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:54.000
gone to separate events except for just with

00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.780
like within the last year yeah everything else

00:39:56.780 --> 00:40:00.059
we pretty much go to together and then we just

00:40:00.059 --> 00:40:02.940
started we we branched out locally to solo play

00:40:02.940 --> 00:40:07.219
dates after about two years. And then the event

00:40:07.219 --> 00:40:10.360
thing, I think, really just, maybe even just

00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:11.980
when I went to that party in San Diego. Yeah,

00:40:11.980 --> 00:40:13.880
guys, I haven't gone to. Oh, well, I've gone

00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:15.719
to some local stuff by myself. Yeah, you've gone

00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:17.340
to local stuff. I've gone to stuff out of town.

00:40:17.420 --> 00:40:19.760
That's just kind of how it works out for us sometimes.

00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:23.179
But, yeah, it just takes some time, you know,

00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:27.320
to get that together. So do you guys do, and

00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:30.019
for us, like, at the end of every event, in the

00:40:30.019 --> 00:40:31.739
beginning especially, we would talk through,

00:40:31.780 --> 00:40:34.280
like, the whole night. Mostly, though, because

00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:39.300
I was brand new to the lifestyle, and he had

00:40:39.300 --> 00:40:41.920
more experience, so he was just trying to help

00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:43.960
and support. But what kind of check -ins do you

00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:46.440
guys have? What kind of communication do you

00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.739
make sure and do surrounding events to continue

00:40:49.739 --> 00:40:57.320
to move that forward? Right now, it's basically

00:40:57.320 --> 00:40:59.860
if someone wants to play with me, we'll play.

00:41:00.230 --> 00:41:02.269
that they ask the other person that they want

00:41:02.269 --> 00:41:07.250
to play with their partner. She only plays with,

00:41:07.329 --> 00:41:12.050
if I'm there, as of right now, that's how she

00:41:12.050 --> 00:41:18.289
wants to do it. For our check -in, like I said,

00:41:18.309 --> 00:41:21.469
we usually, we go together, so we're constantly

00:41:21.469 --> 00:41:23.570
with each other the whole time. Right, but do

00:41:23.570 --> 00:41:26.190
you have like kind of a debrief, an after -action

00:41:26.190 --> 00:41:30.590
report? As Unk calls it, like after the party,

00:41:30.610 --> 00:41:33.530
kind of talk about how it went for you and if

00:41:33.530 --> 00:41:36.510
anything came up for you, like emotionally or

00:41:36.510 --> 00:41:40.409
otherwise. A little bit, because like I said,

00:41:40.449 --> 00:41:43.369
this is new to me, having been in a relationship

00:41:43.369 --> 00:41:46.429
and a lifestyle. So if something rubs me the

00:41:46.429 --> 00:41:51.150
wrong way, I'll bring it up. As far as actions,

00:41:51.250 --> 00:41:54.909
how people move, how she moves or how she portrays

00:41:54.909 --> 00:41:57.639
herself or how someone may step to her. us or

00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:00.800
whatnot but usually if something is i'm feeling

00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:02.400
a certain way she knows right there and there

00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:08.159
it was like we we went to our uh first event

00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:11.860
together as a couple and we were playing with

00:42:11.860 --> 00:42:14.780
another dude and then in the room and you know

00:42:14.780 --> 00:42:16.380
she wanted to keep the door open so people would

00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:18.320
come in and watch okay so i don't know no problem

00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:22.099
a couple dudes came in there and was talking

00:42:22.099 --> 00:42:24.639
and one dude was like hey i want to touch so

00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:27.730
i usually sit back and see how she going to react.

00:42:28.389 --> 00:42:30.769
Because, I mean, she's boisterous, and if she

00:42:30.769 --> 00:42:32.110
doesn't want to do something, she'll say it.

00:42:32.170 --> 00:42:34.789
She'll speak her mind. And she was basically

00:42:34.789 --> 00:42:36.929
letting him know, I'm just playing with these

00:42:36.929 --> 00:42:39.550
two. He was respectful or whatever, but he was

00:42:39.550 --> 00:42:41.250
getting kind of close. When I was just sitting

00:42:41.250 --> 00:42:43.849
there while we were playing, watching to see

00:42:43.849 --> 00:42:45.030
what he was going to do, if he was going to try

00:42:45.030 --> 00:42:48.130
to touch her. And this one dude came in that

00:42:48.130 --> 00:42:51.670
I don't like and I don't deal with. and he was

00:42:51.670 --> 00:42:54.309
trying to be a little bit overly aggressive and

00:42:54.309 --> 00:42:56.789
almost had to stop playing to address the situation.

00:42:57.130 --> 00:43:00.630
But she handled it, and he understood his role.

00:43:01.050 --> 00:43:03.969
After I said something and she said something,

00:43:04.210 --> 00:43:07.429
he understood his place, and he left. Yeah, he

00:43:07.429 --> 00:43:10.510
understood he didn't have a role. His role was

00:43:10.510 --> 00:43:14.730
in somebody else's room, right? Not there. Good.

00:43:14.730 --> 00:43:17.269
I like that. Well, and I think too, I, you know,

00:43:17.269 --> 00:43:19.969
Socrates, he researched so much, obviously you

00:43:19.969 --> 00:43:22.489
had a lot of experience, you know, in the lifestyle.

00:43:22.949 --> 00:43:26.750
And then for me, just the consistency of, if

00:43:26.750 --> 00:43:29.289
he said it was going to be this way, it was going

00:43:29.289 --> 00:43:32.489
to be that way. And, you know, we make mistakes

00:43:32.489 --> 00:43:36.409
and we slip up, but he said, okay, if this happens,

00:43:36.449 --> 00:43:39.119
then this will happen. You know, like this is

00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:41.159
how we're going to handle these things. And he's

00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:43.980
always stuck to that. And that just steadiness

00:43:43.980 --> 00:43:47.199
and that rock really helps, you know, because

00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:50.539
I'm not a quiet female either. I'm very boisterous,

00:43:50.539 --> 00:43:53.880
too. So most of the time, you know, I don't I

00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:56.179
even was just like hard on him in the beginning

00:43:56.179 --> 00:43:57.739
because he'd be like, it's about safety. It's

00:43:57.739 --> 00:44:00.679
about safety. And I'm like, Daddy, I have been

00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:03.420
a hoe out in the single world doing all this

00:44:03.420 --> 00:44:06.760
stuff. And he had to explain to me. When I'm

00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:08.960
present, there's a different type of energy there

00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:13.400
than when it's a single female with a guy. It's

00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:19.159
not as such a – I'm losing the words, but you

00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:20.820
know what I'm talking about, babe. You explained

00:44:20.820 --> 00:44:23.079
to me about bringing guys back to the hotel room

00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:25.550
that we didn't know and stuff like that. that

00:44:25.550 --> 00:44:28.469
it was just a different kind of energy. Yeah.

00:44:28.550 --> 00:44:30.710
So I didn't really understand. It took me a while

00:44:30.710 --> 00:44:33.190
and I, you know, I'm like many things I've made

00:44:33.190 --> 00:44:35.429
it harder on him than it needed to be, but he's

00:44:35.429 --> 00:44:38.050
been patient with me and teaching me and just

00:44:38.050 --> 00:44:41.489
being that steady, you know, consistent rock

00:44:41.489 --> 00:44:44.610
in that area. So that, you know, I can say from

00:44:44.610 --> 00:44:47.170
the woman's perspective is, is really helpful

00:44:47.170 --> 00:44:50.250
when you're, when they know how it's going to

00:44:50.250 --> 00:44:54.989
go down or not. Right, especially nowadays. And

00:44:54.989 --> 00:44:59.469
I had to explain some things to her because females,

00:44:59.849 --> 00:45:02.570
it's not a bad rap. It's just facts in life.

00:45:02.730 --> 00:45:06.489
When you guys start playing, sometimes you don't

00:45:06.489 --> 00:45:08.769
pay attention to everything going on. Or you

00:45:08.769 --> 00:45:10.610
don't pay attention to everything going on. And

00:45:10.610 --> 00:45:13.570
there are some shady dudes out there that'll

00:45:13.570 --> 00:45:15.989
take advantage of that situation. And then next

00:45:15.989 --> 00:45:18.059
thing you know... you will have a situation,

00:45:18.219 --> 00:45:22.400
you know. I had at one of my events, Yolanda

00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:24.079
said something to me afterwards. I didn't know

00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:26.539
about it. I didn't pick. I was always looking

00:45:26.539 --> 00:45:28.119
to make sure guys wore condoms. She said, yeah,

00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:30.480
he wore a condom. After he got done playing with

00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:32.139
her, he came over and played with me with the

00:45:32.139 --> 00:45:34.059
same condom on. Well, I tried to, and I said

00:45:34.059 --> 00:45:36.260
something. I was like, oh, okay. But she didn't

00:45:36.260 --> 00:45:39.159
make it, obviously, to me, known what happened.

00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:41.340
She said something to him, and he went and changed,

00:45:41.579 --> 00:45:43.480
you know, discreetly, whatever, whatever. So

00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:48.440
I was like, oh, guys do that? Okay. Or you'll

00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:51.960
have a situation where you're playing with one

00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:55.519
dude, giving him head, and you're on all fours,

00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:58.019
a dude will come in from behind you without putting

00:45:58.019 --> 00:46:00.940
one on. Yeah, stealthing. Or you'll have a dude

00:46:00.940 --> 00:46:03.800
that'll sit there and play with you, start playing

00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:06.599
with you, and try to play with you without wearing

00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:09.599
one. And they'll test to see if you say something.

00:46:09.860 --> 00:46:12.039
And I had to tell her, I was like, hey, I don't

00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:14.610
care what you're doing. If you're playing. and

00:46:14.610 --> 00:46:16.489
someone wants to play with you, you need to stop

00:46:16.489 --> 00:46:19.110
to make sure that this is what's going on. Right.

00:46:19.429 --> 00:46:21.889
Well, especially because... Ever since I told

00:46:21.889 --> 00:46:25.170
her that, it was a dude that tried to do it.

00:46:25.250 --> 00:46:26.949
And she was like, no, you got to stop. You got

00:46:26.949 --> 00:46:30.250
to put something on. Yeah. Socrates, what did

00:46:30.250 --> 00:46:31.670
you think? Well, I was going to say, especially,

00:46:31.909 --> 00:46:35.949
I didn't mean to cut you off, especially for

00:46:35.949 --> 00:46:40.730
your parties, because those things happen at

00:46:40.730 --> 00:46:43.179
other people's parties, and that's... I've been

00:46:43.179 --> 00:46:46.460
to parties where it's the opposite. It was weird.

00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:50.059
I was putting a condom on. So, you know, some

00:46:50.059 --> 00:46:53.159
parties, that's their culture. But what I like

00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:54.840
about what you do is you let them know what it

00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:57.239
is in the beginning. You know, we've had friends

00:46:57.239 --> 00:47:00.320
that have been in that situation and they're

00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:03.260
being treated like they were, you know, a bad

00:47:03.260 --> 00:47:06.579
person when it's like the host didn't make any,

00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:09.920
didn't set any rules. The host didn't say anything

00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:13.380
about how we do it here. And there's parties

00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:16.159
where it's the exact opposite. You know, we had

00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:18.360
a couple that would damn near curse us out because

00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:21.420
we insist on rubbers. You know what I'm saying?

00:47:21.460 --> 00:47:23.900
So, you know, there's parties where it's like,

00:47:23.940 --> 00:47:28.920
how dare you, you know? And I always tell people,

00:47:29.179 --> 00:47:32.280
always tell people my, one other thing that as

00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:35.340
far as my group and stuff is concerned is when

00:47:35.340 --> 00:47:39.039
I host. It's to host to have fun and party, but

00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:40.739
it's also to educate. Because a lot of people

00:47:40.739 --> 00:47:42.719
that come in that have never gone to parties,

00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:44.260
that have never been in that type of setting.

00:47:44.380 --> 00:47:46.480
So they don't know. They don't know the quorum.

00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:47.500
They don't know how they're supposed to conduct

00:47:47.500 --> 00:47:49.699
themselves. So I try to bring people underneath

00:47:49.699 --> 00:47:52.719
my wing and show you how you conduct yourself.

00:47:53.219 --> 00:47:56.860
And I've had people come in, see how I host parties,

00:47:56.920 --> 00:47:59.619
like, hey, it's a good idea. When I start doing

00:47:59.619 --> 00:48:01.079
stuff, I'm going to start doing stuff like this.

00:48:01.340 --> 00:48:04.739
Because you got to think about it. If someone

00:48:04.739 --> 00:48:09.989
does something, that not of good taste at an

00:48:09.989 --> 00:48:15.909
event right now today, they're 50 -50 % in the

00:48:15.909 --> 00:48:20.190
wrong. The other 50 % is the people that brought

00:48:20.190 --> 00:48:22.150
them into the lifestyle in the past prior to

00:48:22.150 --> 00:48:24.369
them coming to your event. Because obviously

00:48:24.369 --> 00:48:28.469
where they were at before, it was a norm. So

00:48:28.469 --> 00:48:30.889
if it's a norm everywhere that they go, that

00:48:30.889 --> 00:48:33.510
they move on forth, that they can act like that

00:48:33.510 --> 00:48:37.139
every place that they go to. until someone says

00:48:37.139 --> 00:48:42.800
something to them. Because think about it. If

00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:44.900
no one tells you that you're doing something

00:48:44.900 --> 00:48:49.780
wrong, you're never going to change. And that

00:48:49.780 --> 00:48:58.179
is why I believe that the best parties are always

00:48:58.179 --> 00:49:02.960
hosted by individuals who don't usually play

00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:07.619
at their party. Because they can walk around,

00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:09.940
they can talk to people, they can see what's

00:49:09.940 --> 00:49:13.980
going on. You know, like you said, Tony, there

00:49:13.980 --> 00:49:16.139
are so many people that have never been to any

00:49:16.139 --> 00:49:18.199
type of event whatsoever. So they don't know

00:49:18.199 --> 00:49:22.260
the etiquette, you know, they don't know exactly.

00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:26.360
It sounds like you let them know from the jump

00:49:26.360 --> 00:49:29.079
that, you know, condoms are required at your

00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:32.179
party or at least preferable at your party. You

00:49:32.179 --> 00:49:35.530
know what I mean? if if you don't use one of

00:49:35.530 --> 00:49:37.550
that song you and that couple you guys have talked

00:49:37.550 --> 00:49:40.530
about it but you put it out there that's a professional

00:49:40.530 --> 00:49:42.769
right there doing what he's supposed to do at

00:49:42.769 --> 00:49:45.130
a party that's a party promoter you have the

00:49:45.130 --> 00:49:47.989
right to put that behind your name okay in my

00:49:47.989 --> 00:49:51.010
opinion that's a party promoter um because here

00:49:51.010 --> 00:49:54.829
again of socrates there are a lot of a lot of

00:49:54.829 --> 00:49:59.469
settings where um you might walk into that setting

00:49:59.469 --> 00:50:02.849
and you see say two or three ladies and they're

00:50:02.849 --> 00:50:06.110
going back so you just assume that hey this is

00:50:06.110 --> 00:50:08.929
a bad back party but here again if nobody has

00:50:08.929 --> 00:50:13.469
said that con may be required you may think that

00:50:13.469 --> 00:50:17.269
hey you know i can go wrong all right right but

00:50:17.269 --> 00:50:20.590
that's you know that's that's that's just i'm

00:50:20.590 --> 00:50:22.730
i'm really digging you know the way you the way

00:50:22.730 --> 00:50:25.230
you running your show right right now i'm really

00:50:25.230 --> 00:50:27.849
digging the way you run your show I mean, all

00:50:27.849 --> 00:50:31.170
of it came about because after going to events

00:50:31.170 --> 00:50:35.409
up here for, I don't know, three years, I started

00:50:35.409 --> 00:50:38.409
seeing how the group owners started running groups

00:50:38.409 --> 00:50:40.949
and their events, and I didn't like it. So I

00:50:40.949 --> 00:50:43.190
said, I'm going to back away. I'm going to step

00:50:43.190 --> 00:50:45.510
away. I'm going to leave your group, and I'm

00:50:45.510 --> 00:50:47.869
going to start doing my own thing. And then I

00:50:47.869 --> 00:50:50.469
started doing my own thing, how I wanted to do

00:50:50.469 --> 00:50:53.230
stuff, how I thought it should go. I'm not saying

00:50:53.230 --> 00:50:55.010
that how I run a group, how I run an event is

00:50:55.010 --> 00:50:58.710
perfect, but. It's comfortable for me. And it

00:50:58.710 --> 00:51:00.849
seems like everyone that comes to them, they're

00:51:00.849 --> 00:51:02.730
comfortable, and they like them, and they want

00:51:02.730 --> 00:51:05.809
to keep coming to them. So I'm going to keep

00:51:05.809 --> 00:51:09.869
doing what I do. You know, every event, I learn

00:51:09.869 --> 00:51:12.889
something new about the event, and I move it

00:51:12.889 --> 00:51:16.230
to the next event moving forward. Evolution.

00:51:17.909 --> 00:51:22.190
That's the word. That's the word. Like what worked

00:51:22.190 --> 00:51:23.769
and what didn't work. That's the word, evolution.

00:51:26.019 --> 00:51:29.719
So what kind of legacy do you want to leave in

00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:32.880
the lifestyle space as both a bull and a builder

00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:37.780
of experiences? What do you hope people remember

00:51:37.780 --> 00:51:41.639
after, you know, I think you'd be hosting parties

00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:43.500
till the day you die, even if your dick don't

00:51:43.500 --> 00:51:49.380
work no more, right? But, you know, what kind

00:51:49.380 --> 00:51:53.639
of legacy do you want to leave? Equal opportunities.

00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:57.219
I was fair. I was respectful. I treat people

00:51:57.219 --> 00:52:01.360
the way I want them to treat me. I don't try

00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:05.119
to undermine or backstab nobody for an event.

00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:11.340
I think that everyone is adults. I like to have

00:52:11.340 --> 00:52:17.739
fun. My events are educational, fun, comfortable,

00:52:18.139 --> 00:52:23.500
safe, enjoyable. I try to take it to another

00:52:23.500 --> 00:52:29.239
level, the next level. The spots that I choose

00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:31.980
to host at aren't just any old type of spots.

00:52:32.380 --> 00:52:35.280
I try to have some type of taste and class to

00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:37.400
them, something that I think is appealing to

00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:40.099
the eyes, so they know that if I come to one

00:52:40.099 --> 00:52:41.760
of my events, it's a nice spot, it's going to

00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:47.000
be nice. It might not be the biggest, but I think

00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:52.280
my events are within a reasonable price. I guess

00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:55.800
I'm not trying to get rich off of it. I enjoy

00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:57.860
bringing people together to have fun. That's

00:52:57.860 --> 00:53:03.179
the beautiful thing that I enjoy out of it. And

00:53:03.179 --> 00:53:08.940
if every bull listening could take one principle

00:53:08.940 --> 00:53:11.099
from your playbook and live it out tomorrow,

00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:17.559
what would it be? Ah, one thing from my playbook.

00:53:26.659 --> 00:53:29.079
Consistency. I agree. I would think consistency.

00:53:31.699 --> 00:53:34.460
Elaborate on that word consistency to you. What

00:53:34.460 --> 00:53:38.699
does that look like? To me, conducting myself,

00:53:38.940 --> 00:53:40.739
like I always said before, conducting myself

00:53:40.739 --> 00:53:42.880
the same way if someone is watching me or someone

00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:47.079
is not watching me. If I'm hosting an event or

00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:49.199
if I'm going to an event. I'm going to carry

00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:52.440
myself the same way in a chat, out of a chat.

00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:55.659
I try to carry myself the same way when I approach

00:53:55.659 --> 00:54:00.699
other couples, females, as far as, you know,

00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:05.900
respect. Even if it's a norm that is free range

00:54:05.900 --> 00:54:09.159
in a chat, you can DM anybody. I go into a profile

00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:12.340
and I see if it says open DM. My DM is open and

00:54:12.340 --> 00:54:14.760
I'll use it. And I'm respectful when I come into

00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:17.610
your DM. I don't just jump in your den and send

00:54:17.610 --> 00:54:20.909
you a thousand dick pics. Well, I'm disappointed,

00:54:21.030 --> 00:54:27.250
but other women don't like it. I try to conduct

00:54:27.250 --> 00:54:32.349
myself and carry myself the same way. I try not

00:54:32.349 --> 00:54:35.690
to, when I meet someone, try to act thirsty.

00:54:36.489 --> 00:54:39.130
Even though we all may be here for the same thing,

00:54:39.230 --> 00:54:40.949
I still would like to get to know you as a person.

00:54:41.190 --> 00:54:43.719
Because when I go to events... I think I have

00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:47.900
more fun with someone if I know them. And we

00:54:47.900 --> 00:54:50.679
can talk, we can chat outside of something besides

00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:53.900
how big my dick is, how pretty your titties are,

00:54:54.179 --> 00:54:59.659
what's your favorite position type stuff. Getting

00:54:59.659 --> 00:55:06.320
inside the head. It's good. Good. Socrates. Any

00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:08.639
more questions? I mean, I'm not perfect at it.

00:55:08.659 --> 00:55:10.780
How much time you got? I fuck up every now and

00:55:10.780 --> 00:55:15.400
then. Well, we tried to keep it around an hour,

00:55:15.420 --> 00:55:21.519
so you got like five minutes left. Yeah. If you

00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:25.579
had to go over an hour, I got time. No, I'm really

00:55:25.579 --> 00:55:31.320
enjoying it as well, brother. And so I had a

00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:35.780
question about matchmaking. And I don't mean

00:55:35.780 --> 00:55:37.960
like, you know, you know the kind of matchmaking

00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:39.500
we're talking about. I think this bull would

00:55:39.500 --> 00:55:43.059
be great for this couple. Have you ever had a

00:55:43.059 --> 00:55:45.739
bull that you said, you know what, knowing this

00:55:45.739 --> 00:55:49.199
bull, they would be perfect for this couple.

00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:53.159
But then the couple either, you know right away

00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:55.820
they're not going to say yes because it's not

00:55:55.820 --> 00:56:00.030
their normal, like. preference or cup of tea

00:56:00.030 --> 00:56:03.269
but you know in your spirit like back in you

00:56:03.269 --> 00:56:06.409
in the back of your head you're like this guy

00:56:06.409 --> 00:56:08.829
will really be good for them have you ever done

00:56:08.829 --> 00:56:11.489
that have you ever been like you just take my

00:56:11.489 --> 00:56:15.690
word for it and just enjoy him and the next thing

00:56:15.690 --> 00:56:23.409
you know they had a great time um i would say

00:56:23.409 --> 00:56:27.289
no but at the same time like i had to host the

00:56:27.289 --> 00:56:31.659
event with a couple young ladies and usually

00:56:31.659 --> 00:56:34.840
what i try to do i like the the whole surprise

00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:37.639
aspect of it sometimes i don't i don't put the

00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:39.860
young lady when i first initially was doing it

00:56:39.860 --> 00:56:41.599
i didn't put the young ladies in the chat with

00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:45.320
the guys because i had guys back door me to try

00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:47.320
to get to the females and then a couple guys

00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:49.320
back door me got to the females and the female

00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:52.059
backed out they didn't want a good event because

00:56:52.059 --> 00:56:54.880
they linked up with this one dude. And then he

00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:56.699
was like, yeah, I can do all this, blah, blah,

00:56:56.699 --> 00:56:59.280
blah. So they stopped wanting to do stuff. So

00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:02.800
I would stop doing that. And I had a couple young

00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:04.739
ladies that got upset about that because they

00:57:04.739 --> 00:57:07.300
didn't want to believe or trust in the process

00:57:07.300 --> 00:57:09.840
of what I was trying to set up for them. But

00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:13.400
I knew that if they just came through, you know,

00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:15.719
with open mindset and enjoyed the night, that

00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:19.989
they would have had a great night. I have definitely

00:57:19.989 --> 00:57:24.630
been guilty of that one, huh, babe? Yep. Then

00:57:24.630 --> 00:57:27.329
I was like, you were right, I was wrong. It really

00:57:27.329 --> 00:57:33.670
went good, daddy. I do believe, and I want to

00:57:33.670 --> 00:57:39.190
ask both Tony and Brian, I really do believe

00:57:39.190 --> 00:57:44.030
that it takes almost a little bit of knowing

00:57:44.030 --> 00:57:47.590
sociology and psychology. In other words, like...

00:57:48.340 --> 00:57:50.639
understanding a person almost better than they

00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:53.860
do because you know some psychological or social

00:57:53.860 --> 00:57:56.280
principles that say, this is just how human beings

00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:59.579
work, no matter what they're saying. And don't

00:57:59.579 --> 00:58:01.860
you think it requires a little bit more insight

00:58:01.860 --> 00:58:06.440
into a person to know what a real good bull would

00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:10.719
be or a good couple? Or is it just your experience

00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:16.079
and kind of like intuition and sixth sense? Me,

00:58:16.099 --> 00:58:18.000
myself, personally, I have to get to know you.

00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:21.260
I don't feel as though that I'm that much of

00:58:21.260 --> 00:58:23.239
an expert that I can see you somewhere or meet

00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:24.679
you within five minutes and be like, okay, I

00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:27.139
think this person's best for you. I want to get

00:58:27.139 --> 00:58:29.579
to know you. because when you start getting to

00:58:29.579 --> 00:58:31.079
know them, you start asking questions because

00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:33.599
you'll ask someone, what's your hard nose? They'll

00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:35.480
be like, I don't have any hard nose. Then you

00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:36.840
throw about 10 things at them. They'll be like,

00:58:36.860 --> 00:58:38.599
oh, hold on. I don't like this. I don't like

00:58:38.599 --> 00:58:39.960
that. I don't like this. I don't like that. Okay,

00:58:40.019 --> 00:58:41.360
well, those are your hard nose because a lot

00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:43.440
of people don't think about it because, like

00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:45.059
I said, it's all about how you were initially

00:58:45.059 --> 00:58:48.920
brought into the lifestyle and how you've been

00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:50.500
moving since you've been brought into the lifestyle,

00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:52.159
the things you've been exposed to, experienced.

00:58:52.860 --> 00:58:55.559
So you take that and you move forward until you

00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:57.440
get a bump in the road where someone asks a question

00:58:57.440 --> 00:58:59.480
to where you're at the very left or you're at

00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:02.500
the very right with your answers. So I like to

00:59:02.500 --> 00:59:06.340
get to know people and ask questions myself to

00:59:06.340 --> 00:59:10.800
pinpoint some desires and wants and likes and

00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:13.519
dislikes. And then I sit down and I think, okay,

00:59:13.780 --> 00:59:17.320
what guys I think would be good moving forward.

00:59:19.420 --> 00:59:22.840
So, yes, I would say. but psychology has a has

00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:27.719
a factor and it plays a big factor in it i agree

00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:30.960
i agree with you tony i agree with you tony 120

00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:35.019
percent um i think the fam knows that that i

00:59:35.019 --> 00:59:37.760
definitely have to get to know you um i have

00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:40.059
to make a connection i want to get inside your

00:59:40.059 --> 00:59:44.300
head um but at the same time i'm one hell of

00:59:44.300 --> 00:59:50.119
a damn observer also um like when i go to say

00:59:52.220 --> 00:59:56.219
I like to observe couples. I really do. I can

00:59:56.219 --> 01:00:00.079
kind of feel the ones out who are, you know,

01:00:00.179 --> 01:00:03.579
they really have talked and they're really veterans.

01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:06.780
And, you know, they themselves want to get to

01:00:06.780 --> 01:00:10.699
know the bull, even if he's a seasoned bull like

01:00:10.699 --> 01:00:14.179
we are, or if he might be, you know, kind of

01:00:14.179 --> 01:00:18.420
a first timer. You know, they know how to make

01:00:18.420 --> 01:00:21.420
you feel comfortable. Yeah. And they're just

01:00:21.420 --> 01:00:23.860
not necessarily ready to just go upstairs and

01:00:23.860 --> 01:00:26.199
get it on. So, you know, you have to be able

01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:29.639
to, I think between the two of us, we, we count

01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:32.880
on the same sheet of music. We definitely want

01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:35.760
to get to know the couples first and foremost.

01:00:35.820 --> 01:00:39.480
And then we have that sixth sense when you start

01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:41.440
asking those, you know, do's and don't questions

01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:43.940
and all that stuff like that. And the way you

01:00:43.940 --> 01:00:45.900
answer those questions, we know whether or not,

01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:48.380
okay, this is probably going to be. you know,

01:00:48.420 --> 01:00:52.139
a good encounter or we know that, hey, maybe

01:00:52.139 --> 01:00:54.059
I need to lay off a little bit because you guys

01:00:54.059 --> 01:00:56.880
haven't exactly, you know, crossed that bridge

01:00:56.880 --> 01:01:00.940
yet. And then, you know, you need to talk more.

01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:06.059
So, yeah, that's pretty much me in a nutshell.

01:01:06.340 --> 01:01:09.699
It's the same, you know, same way you are. I

01:01:09.699 --> 01:01:13.440
mean, I had, like, last splash, there was a young

01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:18.300
lady I met. online through the chat we met there

01:01:18.300 --> 01:01:22.119
was said that um downstairs dance room talked

01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:25.960
chopped it up and um she said she wanted a gang

01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:29.619
bang but she was nervous husband was all in for

01:01:29.619 --> 01:01:32.139
he was ready to order what i said or she said

01:01:32.139 --> 01:01:35.699
okay about three four dudes okay no problem i

01:01:35.699 --> 01:01:37.639
already had a group chat set up prior to the

01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:40.480
event so i reached out to the guys i had a couple

01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:43.139
of guys i had about six midwest boys that went

01:01:43.139 --> 01:01:45.650
to it with me So we reached out to everybody,

01:01:45.829 --> 01:01:48.889
whatever. Said she was nervous. But then once

01:01:48.889 --> 01:01:53.090
she got into it, everybody started playing. It

01:01:53.090 --> 01:01:55.650
was like gladiators in there. It was game on.

01:01:56.010 --> 01:01:58.969
She was like, more, more, more. More, more, more.

01:02:00.429 --> 01:02:03.489
So it was like, you know, sometimes they don't

01:02:03.489 --> 01:02:06.130
know exactly what all they want. And sometimes

01:02:06.130 --> 01:02:09.690
they do. And I've had events and situations where

01:02:09.690 --> 01:02:12.429
they thought they wanted more. And then they

01:02:12.429 --> 01:02:15.690
was like, I think I'll just take two. Overwhelming.

01:02:16.550 --> 01:02:18.849
Right, right, right, right. A lot of them be

01:02:18.849 --> 01:02:21.190
like, you know, I like small numbers because

01:02:21.190 --> 01:02:22.869
once it gets more than that, there's a whole

01:02:22.869 --> 01:02:26.090
lot going on and I can't focus. I like to focus.

01:02:26.110 --> 01:02:28.190
I pay attention on what I'm doing. So, you know,

01:02:28.190 --> 01:02:30.510
everyone is not built the same. So that's why

01:02:30.510 --> 01:02:33.269
I had a conversation to at least try to get some

01:02:33.269 --> 01:02:36.030
type of idea how the baseline, what we're going

01:02:36.030 --> 01:02:39.929
to be working with. Good deal. Good deal. So

01:02:39.929 --> 01:02:44.099
when you vet, when you vet your bulls, you're

01:02:44.099 --> 01:02:48.300
looking for that guy that he checks off all of

01:02:48.300 --> 01:02:50.199
those boxes that we're talking about right now.

01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:54.980
Correct? I mean, he knows how to talk, you know,

01:02:55.019 --> 01:02:59.539
and he knows how to present himself. And basically,

01:02:59.659 --> 01:03:05.539
if he's like you, in a way, then, you know, welcome

01:03:05.539 --> 01:03:10.239
to the Midwest, right? Well, that way also, but

01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:12.519
with anything, you always have those levels,

01:03:12.579 --> 01:03:15.559
to me. In my experience, you have those levels.

01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:17.739
You have the ones that want to kick doors in

01:03:17.739 --> 01:03:19.480
and come in and lay it down and then walk out.

01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:21.920
You know, some females like that. You have the

01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:25.360
ones that come in looking like a nerd. When they

01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:28.480
come in, they lay it down. And some females like

01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:30.119
that. You know, you have all different types

01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:32.900
of levels. So I like to meet them, talk to them,

01:03:32.980 --> 01:03:35.239
let them know what my group is all about, how

01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:37.900
we conduct ourselves. Mostly, you come in respectful.

01:03:38.489 --> 01:03:41.670
clean looking dressed professional no not not

01:03:41.670 --> 01:03:44.090
prepared like he went for a job but look present

01:03:44.090 --> 01:03:47.510
yourself a clean you know type person you know

01:03:47.510 --> 01:03:49.190
you're not looking you're not acting thirsty

01:03:49.190 --> 01:03:52.110
and this type of stuff um you know how to talk

01:03:52.110 --> 01:03:55.829
uh you conduct yourself in public a certain type

01:03:55.829 --> 01:03:58.510
of way you know when you go to come come to a

01:03:58.510 --> 01:04:01.969
meet and greet prior to event you know you i

01:04:01.969 --> 01:04:04.929
i see how you interact with everybody you know

01:04:04.929 --> 01:04:09.059
then i have a um a small event set up i invite

01:04:09.059 --> 01:04:11.300
you out hey come check out see how i do things

01:04:11.300 --> 01:04:13.320
how i run and whatnot so forth see if you're

01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:15.519
comfortable because everyone's not always comfortable

01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:17.300
they may think that they're comfortable like

01:04:17.300 --> 01:04:19.360
it was for me my first time event i thought i

01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:21.559
was like oh yeah i'm built for this then i got

01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:23.480
there i was like oh hold on there's a whole lot

01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:26.460
going on around here i wasn't expecting all this

01:04:26.460 --> 01:04:27.960
so you had to get they have to get themselves

01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:31.170
comfortable so i'll bring them in let them see

01:04:31.170 --> 01:04:33.570
it just like a just like a female if she's never

01:04:33.570 --> 01:04:35.849
been never done to before i invite you come out

01:04:35.849 --> 01:04:38.150
just because you come to event doesn't mean you

01:04:38.150 --> 01:04:40.369
have to play come out check it out check out

01:04:40.369 --> 01:04:43.610
the vibe see how it runs that moves and if as

01:04:43.610 --> 01:04:46.230
you sit there and you observe if that feeling

01:04:46.230 --> 01:04:48.170
hits you to where you want to stick your toe

01:04:48.170 --> 01:04:50.989
in stick your toe in but if it doesn't stay by

01:04:50.989 --> 01:04:53.489
my side and any any questions that you have i'll

01:04:53.489 --> 01:04:55.269
ask them all night long because that's what i'm

01:04:55.269 --> 01:04:58.420
there for Well, it sounds like you're predominantly

01:04:58.420 --> 01:05:02.440
just really about the experience. The whole package

01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:07.239
sounds amazing from planning it to communication

01:05:07.239 --> 01:05:10.840
to vetting people to making sure especially the

01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:15.159
women feel comfortable. And I can't wait to attend

01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:18.219
your event, your big one here coming up. But

01:05:18.219 --> 01:05:21.480
we're going to wrap things up for today. We appreciate

01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:27.340
you so much for being on tonight. And thank you

01:05:27.340 --> 01:05:31.159
to my sexy husband and producer, Socrates. And

01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:38.639
Brian here, take us out. Tony, again, thank you

01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:41.800
for coming. And we'll definitely have you again.

01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:45.460
And to all the listeners tonight, to all the

01:05:45.460 --> 01:05:47.780
listeners tonight, this ends another informative

01:05:47.780 --> 01:05:51.280
podcast from the Bull Brotherhood. Once again,

01:05:51.380 --> 01:05:54.829
Tony, thank you. And as always, to all my bull

01:05:54.829 --> 01:05:57.429
brothers out there, I bid you all good night.

01:05:57.889 --> 01:06:01.150
And to all my sexy hot wives and sluts out there,

01:06:01.289 --> 01:06:04.829
I bid you good morning. Y 'all have a good night

01:06:04.829 --> 01:06:07.090
till we talk again. Bye -bye.