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or emotional power this probably isn't the show

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for you but if you're ready to step into your

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masculine edge and embrace a lifestyle that demands

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mastery welcome to the brotherhood welcome to

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the bull brotherhood podcast where we talk power

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pleasure and the art of dominance in ethical

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non -monogamy this is not your average lifestyle

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podcast this is for men who lead men who master,

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and men who leave a lasting impression. If you're

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here, you're not just curious. You're ready to

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elevate. So to all the bulls, hot wives, stags,

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and open -minded explorers, we see you. Let's

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go. Good evening and welcome to another informative

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episode of the Bull Brotherhood podcast. I'm

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the Sigma male himself, Mr. Brian Morgan. One

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third of this lovely podcast along with my beautiful,

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beautiful partner and his wife, the lovely Siren.

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Say hello. Hello. And, of course, my nephew and

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partner in crime, my perpetual student, as he

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is called, Socrates. What's good? What's good,

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y 'all? All right, all right. Ladies and gentlemen,

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we have a very, very special guest tonight. And

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I do mean when I say very special. I can't tell

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you just how much this brother means to me. All

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right? Yeah, we just recently met, to tell you

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the truth. I mean, I knew who he was from previous

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Splash Mokas, but he and I are really, as he

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would say, we are each other's doppelganger.

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We really are. You know him from his very, very

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informative podcast known as the Old Faces Podcast,

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along with his lovely, lovely wife, Mrs. Moka.

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But I call him Dark Gable because that's what

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he is, all right? About 220 pounds full of damn

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just chocolate, you know what I mean? The women

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love him, all right? Muscle on muscle on muscle.

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Exactly. He's the women's pet, the men's regret,

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all right? Man of steel with sex appeal. That's

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all there is to it. Ladies and gentlemen, I introduce

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to you Mr. Mocha. What's going on, Dan, everybody?

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Hey, I keep telling you, you keep overselling

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me, people are going to get mad at you. Hey,

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man. You keep overselling the product, man. Come

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on. Hey, man. Hey, man. I just call it like I

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see it, baby. That's all it is to it. What's

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good with my brother from another mother? You

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all right? Hey, I appreciate you guys having

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me on. I'm excited. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely,

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man. This is just the first of, you know, the

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brothers, the true brothers from the brotherhood.

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You know, we take it off with you. Of course,

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you know, we're going to hit down south in Florida

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to Mr. Velvet himself and then take it on back

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up north, you know, of course, where Michael's

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safe. But here again, man, it is a pleasure to

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have you up here tonight. And we... we're just

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gonna kick it i mean we're gonna kick it and

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then ask you some questions um after after you

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you know give us a a description of of like how

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you got into this life you know where you're

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from you know just et cetera et cetera now actually

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come and kick it off oh man you putting that

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you putting it all on me i'm just saying man

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just just let the people know you know where

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you're from you know what i'm saying how long

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you been in this life you know what this life

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means to you etc etc but all right so i'm originally

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originally from upstate new york um i've been

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the lifestyle since i was 23 i am i'll be 47

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in a few weeks um man look at me i mean what's

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got me into lifestyle i mean My introduction

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to the lifestyle was actually a co -worker. I

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mean, obviously, I had been promiscuous, but

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what got me into the lifestyle was a co -worker.

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Somebody I had worked with for a while. Really

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good friends. His wife, you know, back then,

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I think she was probably in her early 40s. fucking

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gorgeous woman you know everybody that you know

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that was a wife that everybody looked at but

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you you didn't want to be disrespectful to your

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buddy you know we'd go out and things like that

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and um one night we were all out drinking and

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he just just dropped it on me you know and i

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was you know i have i want i've been more than

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the fucker anyway so you know it's the opportunity

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And I did it, and I was obviously, you know,

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nervous, but I did it, and then they put me into

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their circle. And it just so happened that the

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circle of people that they introduced me to was

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more of a hot wife circle. that the circle they

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introduced me to and it was a very I mean they

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were they were obviously you know now now I can

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I say this but to me at that time they were all

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older people but they were all my age now so

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I guess I qualify as the older people but they

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were all you know they were all older they were

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all you know affluent they you know there was

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just it was just a cool happy drama free environment

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look as drama free as through my eyes at that

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time i didn't have the experience to recognize

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drama and it just seemed like a fun awesome group

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and that yeah that was kind of that was my introduction

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to it that the hot wife experience where you

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had a lot of you know husbands who were super

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cool and like oh yeah Fuck my life. I'm like,

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okay, I will. You know, that was my introduction

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to the lifestyle. It's amazing how. Go ahead.

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Go ahead. Yeah. Mr. Mocha. So I want to get a

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little deeper into that. So you, what was your

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thoughts the next day or the few days after that?

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Like what was going through your head? Like,

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Oh, this is the shit right here. Like. I'm about

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to jump in. Or were you, like, trying to process,

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like, what the fuck just happened? Like, what

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were you thinking? Oh, so actually, I was just,

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I was on cloud nine. Good answer, brother. Anything

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less would have been. Yeah, I was. I was on cloud

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nine. In fact, my buddy had to tell me to calm

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down because, you know, we went out like a week

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later, we went out and, you know, me, him and

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his wife. And I'm thinking like, I didn't know.

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I didn't know. I speak today with information,

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but at that time I didn't know there was a such

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thing as hot wiping. All I knew is they said

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they were swingers. He didn't specify hot wiping.

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And I thought that it just meant that, oh, you

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guys can fuck whoever you want, and now I can

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look at hot women, you know, in front of you

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and your wife and point out, you know, hot women.

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So we're out. I think it was lunch. I think,

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yeah, we were out for lunch because we worked

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together, and she would always because the gym

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was right across the street from where we worked

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at. And he was like, hey, let's go to lunch.

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So we, three of us went to lunch. And this really

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attractive woman walked by and I was like, hey,

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look at that. And then we went back to work.

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He was like, bro, you can't do that. He was like,

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that's outside the rules. I'm like, oh, what?

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You're not allowed to look at? He was like, well,

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he was like, that's complicated. But, you know,

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she's the only one who we focus our attention

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on. And I'm like, cool. You know, I don't know

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the rules. You got to educate me. So, you know,

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he explained their rules to me after that. But,

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yeah, I was excited. And I didn't want to assume

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that it was going to happen again. But, you know,

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not only did it happen again, but they introduced

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me to friends. So it was great. When they asked

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you to go to lunch, though, that was the green

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light. That was the green light for you. You

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may not have realized it, but. They had already

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gone back to the house, and hell, they had already

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discussed you anyway. They had discussed you

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for a long time before he finally approached

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you. It's amazing how our stories are kind of

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similar. You know, me meeting Sylvia Garrett

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like I did, and, you know, she introducing me

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to her, you know, friends. and they were all

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like just like yours you know affluent and then

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you know making money etc etc i didn't know what

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the hell was going on all i know is i'm meeting

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you know folks that damn i've seen this person

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before you know they're on the they're on the

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news channel and all that stuff but they i mean

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they had already they had already given you the

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green light mocha They'd already given you green

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light. But you were just like me. You were 23.

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I was 26. All I know was that I had this beautiful

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damn woman. And, you know, I'm giving permission

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to them, you know, to fuck. And the terminology,

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hot wiping and all that stuff like that, it was

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the same, I guess, the same here as it was overseas.

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You know, we didn't have the term then, you know.

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We didn't have to turn. All I knew was damn swinging.

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That was it. But I knew that this wasn't swinging

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because the husband didn't, you know, had no

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desire to, you know, to have sex with anybody.

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He was just happy that, you know, I had the wife.

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So that's amazing. But when did you realize or

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did it become? Was she just, like, a plaything

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to you, or did you guys really develop, you know,

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a great, like, relationship, or what? I mean,

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how far did it go before Mocha said, okay, I'm

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a bull now? You know what I'm saying? When you

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realized you were, like... The bull concept came

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far, far down the road. Okay. As far as then,

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the thing was, they were my friends before we

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did it. And because of the people we worked around,

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you know, he took a big risk even approaching

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me with it because we worked around some loudmouth

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savages that would, had they found out, you know,

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they would have roasted them. So he took a big

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risk, and it was our friendship. So, you know,

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they were, it was kind of, it was, they did it

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the way I like. He was, they were always really

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cool. They were never thirsty. The friendship

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remained the friendship because he made it very

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clear, here's the deal. We are only this way.

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Even if we're out in public, we still follow.

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old rules only time we do anything extra is when

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we're behind closed doors so if somebody walks

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past our table they should never know even the

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night that i played with them the first time

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and we left the bar together that was a whole

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bunch of people from work and the way he got

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us out of there the way the way we left they

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no one ever knew so you know he started to really

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develop the protocol You know, so that's why

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even now if I'm out with a couple, you know,

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I am very, I'm very much a gentleman in public.

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In public, unless you give me the green light

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to be anything more than just, you know, your

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husband's friend, I don't do anything else. So

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that relationship was just really cool. I mean,

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that was a great, great relationship. They connect

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me with a lot of good people. And, you know,

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we were good. We were close until they moved

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out of state. You know, so that was and even

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we still will occasionally reach out to each

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other on Facebook. Outstanding. Outstanding.

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You made an impression. You made an impression.

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You made the impression on that one. The impression

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was all hers. I heard that. I heard that. She

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sounded like she was gorgeous and shit the way

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you damn talking. She sounded like she was drop

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dead beautiful. Oh, man. Man. Wow. Socrates Siren,

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are you there? Yes, sir. I think he's taking

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a little nap over there. I know, right? I know

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y 'all want to jump in. What if my mouth was

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busy? You don't know. We do. Carry on. While

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I'm listening, you never know. No. Exactly. Exactly.

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Why would I interrupt that? Ain't nothing wrong

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with that, by all means. I like to keep the mystery

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alive. By all means. You know I got a thousand

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questions. I know you do. Go ahead. So, the introduction

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part. Do you did they ever relate to you what

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they were saying to their friends? That's because

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that's always the most interesting thing is like

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when you're referring me, what are you saying?

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You know, and that's always intrigued me. So

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do you know what were they saying about Mr. Mocha

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to be like, yeah, he's a good time. I think you

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should, you know, check that out. Well, so so

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actually the next time. A few weeks after the

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first time we played, they said, hey, we want

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you to come to this party with us. So that was

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my first lifestyle house party. And they didn't

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say what it was. And I didn't, I was hoping it

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was what it was. But, you know, I'm just, this

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is something that ladies may not understand,

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but every dude knows this feeling where you're

00:17:06.769 --> 00:17:09.809
like. I hope this thing, I hope it's going to

00:17:09.809 --> 00:17:11.789
happen. I hope my dick's going to wind up in

00:17:11.789 --> 00:17:13.670
the mouth, but I'm not going to get super excited

00:17:13.670 --> 00:17:16.829
because as soon as I say, as soon as I act like

00:17:16.829 --> 00:17:19.410
I'm happy about it, I'm going to fuck it up.

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So I just got there, walking to the house, huge

00:17:23.109 --> 00:17:27.150
house, mansion, beautiful house. And I'm in this

00:17:27.150 --> 00:17:29.890
house and I'm like, the lady's a real skimpy

00:17:29.890 --> 00:17:31.630
dress, but you know, I'm not going to assume

00:17:31.630 --> 00:17:34.630
everybody's being extra friendly. I'm not going

00:17:34.630 --> 00:17:38.119
to assume we go down to the basement. and to

00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:41.160
the bar, and there's naked, there's topless women,

00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:43.799
and I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah, this is what it

00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:47.500
is. And my heart was pounding out of my chest,

00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:50.539
and I was trying to act like I was cool. Like,

00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:54.099
yeah, that ain't nothing. I'm good. I mean, I

00:17:54.099 --> 00:17:57.019
do this. This is just a Tuesday to me. But I

00:17:57.019 --> 00:18:01.660
was terrified. And that was them introducing

00:18:01.660 --> 00:18:04.970
me to their. their friend group. Now, obviously,

00:18:05.190 --> 00:18:08.130
you know, now knowing what I know now, that means

00:18:08.130 --> 00:18:10.230
that they would have already had a conversation.

00:18:10.730 --> 00:18:12.869
They would have already shown pictures of me.

00:18:12.890 --> 00:18:15.390
They would have already, you know, had a conversation,

00:18:15.410 --> 00:18:17.930
told him, Hey, I'm bringing a single black dude

00:18:17.930 --> 00:18:23.529
to a party. He's a good guy. And then the, the

00:18:23.529 --> 00:18:27.130
reception I got once I got there, you know, Oh,

00:18:27.190 --> 00:18:32.539
this is him type thing. Like, Oh, okay. So. Going

00:18:32.539 --> 00:18:34.960
back and looking at it, I understand a lot of

00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:36.779
things that were happening. But at the time,

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there was no understanding of this. All I knew

00:18:39.799 --> 00:18:42.740
is these are my friends. They wanted me to come

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to a party with them. They trusted me. I went

00:18:45.980 --> 00:18:49.900
there. Me and my 23 -year -old dick, we laid

00:18:49.900 --> 00:18:54.000
down the law. And then after that, you know.

00:18:55.819 --> 00:18:59.319
Is that the name of your penis? I got pulled

00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:03.440
off. That's the name of your penis. No, I refer

00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:08.859
to my penis. My penis. No, no. His name is The

00:19:08.859 --> 00:19:12.779
Precious. The Precious. That's his name. The

00:19:12.779 --> 00:19:17.740
Precious. The Precious. Next time I talk to your

00:19:17.740 --> 00:19:19.779
wife, next time I talk to your wife, I'm going

00:19:19.779 --> 00:19:22.079
to tell her. I'm going to mention that and be

00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:28.779
like, how's The Precious? What's funny is a friend

00:19:28.779 --> 00:19:32.960
of mine named, okay. I'm going on topic. So one

00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:36.799
of my boys I always party with, he's the one,

00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:40.519
and he was like picking on me, and he was like,

00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:42.680
man, what are you doing to these chicks? From

00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:45.680
now on, you need to call your dick the precious.

00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:48.359
And so he started cracking jokes, but I'd never

00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:50.240
seen the movie, so I had no idea what the fuck

00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:52.359
he was talking about. I thought he was talking

00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:57.920
about the movie Precious with the big girl. So

00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:00.789
I'm like, he was like. You've never seen Lord

00:20:00.789 --> 00:20:04.670
of the Rings? Or something like that. So that's

00:20:04.670 --> 00:20:06.089
not why I'd have seen that movie for the first

00:20:06.089 --> 00:20:08.569
time. Just to see what the fuck The Precious

00:20:08.569 --> 00:20:12.829
was. And I laughed. I laughed for so long because...

00:20:12.829 --> 00:20:17.049
So unfortunately, you know, me and my young,

00:20:17.309 --> 00:20:24.470
uncouth mind, I was having... He knew like two,

00:20:24.529 --> 00:20:25.990
three of the women at the time that I was having

00:20:25.990 --> 00:20:29.099
sex with. And he was like, dude, they're going

00:20:29.099 --> 00:20:31.680
crazy. What are you doing? And so that's how

00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:37.160
we became the Precious. That was the joke behind

00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:43.980
that. At least there's a good story. Not old.

00:20:44.059 --> 00:20:46.079
It was no longer the Precious. Now I refer to

00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:50.759
it as the little fella. Yes. Socrates calls his

00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:56.640
micropenis. There you go. That way, you know,

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anything above that is a pleasant surprise. Hey,

00:21:01.359 --> 00:21:04.559
I want them to look at my mind, too. I have interesting

00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:07.660
things to say. I'm just with you for the money.

00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:17.279
I'm okay with that. Question for you, my brother.

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What was the evolution of Mr. Mocha? from age

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23 to now. How have you, I already know, I can

00:21:31.809 --> 00:21:36.430
already picture a stud, a height at age 23. I

00:21:36.430 --> 00:21:38.130
can already picture that. You know what I mean?

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But what was, what has been the evolution? How

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have you changed over the years? And what has

00:21:46.450 --> 00:21:53.079
made you become that quality bull that... we

00:21:53.079 --> 00:21:55.720
wish everybody would be, that we wish all the

00:21:55.720 --> 00:22:03.380
brothers would be. Yeah, I wouldn't do it. That's

00:22:03.380 --> 00:22:09.279
a decade's worth of good, bad, ugly, and growth.

00:22:12.339 --> 00:22:17.799
Man, from 23, you know, it was a lot happened

00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:22.440
from the first time that I stepped into the lifestyle

00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:26.420
because when you first get into it you're stumbling

00:22:26.420 --> 00:22:28.900
you're you're kind of stumbling through the dark

00:22:28.900 --> 00:22:36.539
you you you learn you usually learn what the

00:22:36.539 --> 00:22:39.599
people who brought you into it teach you so fortunately

00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:42.000
my introduction was a very positive environment

00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:49.289
um which is probably why i why I stayed in the

00:22:49.289 --> 00:22:51.029
lifestyle and I was so intrigued because it was

00:22:51.029 --> 00:22:55.529
positive. But, man, there was a lot of bumps

00:22:55.529 --> 00:22:58.390
along the way trying to figure out, you know,

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how are you supposed to talk to somebody's wife?

00:23:01.650 --> 00:23:05.049
You know, how do you, the understanding that,

00:23:05.190 --> 00:23:09.710
dude, it's so much. I can't even, I don't even

00:23:09.710 --> 00:23:13.490
know where to start. Goodness gracious. Fucking,

00:23:13.630 --> 00:23:18.450
it's like going from a tadpole to a... You know

00:23:18.450 --> 00:23:22.210
to a frog give me this is huge so many changes,

00:23:22.390 --> 00:23:25.829
you know as you move through it the not knowing

00:23:25.829 --> 00:23:29.769
to starting to learn to Knowing how to deal with

00:23:29.769 --> 00:23:33.089
couples knowing how to deal with wives knowing

00:23:33.089 --> 00:23:37.630
how to deal with husband learning that You have

00:23:37.630 --> 00:23:40.269
to if you want to be successful you have to have

00:23:40.269 --> 00:23:44.990
the ability to pay attention listening is a skill

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and Not just hearing words, but listening to

00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:55.359
what's being said underneath. Say that again.

00:23:55.500 --> 00:23:57.859
Say that again for the viewers, because you just

00:23:57.859 --> 00:24:00.539
knocked that shit out of the park. Say that again

00:24:00.539 --> 00:24:05.339
just in case our listeners didn't hear it. You

00:24:05.339 --> 00:24:07.559
know what I mean? Because that was a home run

00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:11.740
right there. Listening is such a skill. People

00:24:11.740 --> 00:24:15.099
say things, but they're hidden messages that

00:24:15.099 --> 00:24:18.380
are embedded in what they say. You're looking

00:24:18.380 --> 00:24:25.200
at the facial expressions, how they behave. Whenever

00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:31.740
I deal with couples, I now put together like

00:24:31.740 --> 00:24:37.240
almost a grid. And, you know, in Socrates' language,

00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:42.039
my grid, the person they are when I'm online,

00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:46.690
the person they are when we're in public. The

00:24:46.690 --> 00:24:48.789
people they are when I speak to them individually.

00:24:50.089 --> 00:24:53.250
The face they show me when they're together.

00:24:54.390 --> 00:24:59.650
The energy that I see when I first start making

00:24:59.650 --> 00:25:04.710
physical contact. You know, how is she behaving?

00:25:04.910 --> 00:25:08.809
How is he behaving during sex? And what kind

00:25:08.809 --> 00:25:12.329
of energy I have after sex? And then after they

00:25:12.329 --> 00:25:14.869
processed it, what kind of energy do I have?

00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:20.339
on the phone when we communicate later. All those

00:25:20.339 --> 00:25:25.740
things, it helps me paint a picture of them as

00:25:25.740 --> 00:25:30.220
individuals, them as a couple, how secure they

00:25:30.220 --> 00:25:33.039
are, how far along in their lifestyle journey

00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:40.279
they are, how much are they on the same page

00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:44.609
or not on the same page. All of these things

00:25:44.609 --> 00:25:48.250
are skills that I've had to learn because not

00:25:48.250 --> 00:25:52.009
learning these things have created issues where

00:25:52.009 --> 00:25:57.950
you have problem with the husband's problem with

00:25:57.950 --> 00:26:02.329
the wife, them having problems together. The

00:26:02.329 --> 00:26:05.190
thing that I hate the most is being the guy,

00:26:05.410 --> 00:26:08.769
the person who's on the outside of the relationship.

00:26:09.849 --> 00:26:13.849
The experiences that I've had where... The husband

00:26:13.849 --> 00:26:19.069
lies or the wife lies, and then they realize

00:26:19.069 --> 00:26:21.130
that they're lying, but then they don't want

00:26:21.130 --> 00:26:24.369
to blame each other, so then it's my fault. How

00:26:24.369 --> 00:26:30.950
do I keep that from happening? There's so much

00:26:30.950 --> 00:26:34.390
stuff when you're saying going from starting

00:26:34.390 --> 00:26:37.170
off to being a quality bull. When I tell people

00:26:37.170 --> 00:26:40.890
that I've learned a lot of hard lessons, I think

00:26:40.890 --> 00:26:44.799
people... I gloss over it, so they gloss over

00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:48.740
it. But I've learned a lot of hard lessons because

00:26:48.740 --> 00:26:51.779
my nature is one extreme to the other. So when

00:26:51.779 --> 00:26:54.099
I get it, when I got into the lifestyle, like

00:26:54.099 --> 00:26:58.359
I was full steam ahead. The lifestyle was my

00:26:58.359 --> 00:27:02.440
recreation. Fuck vacation. That was my vacation.

00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:05.720
That was, I mean, that was my fun on the weekends,

00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:08.619
throughout the weekdays. All that I wanted to

00:27:08.619 --> 00:27:10.539
do was fuck. I didn't give a shit about nothing

00:27:10.539 --> 00:27:14.700
else. You know, if it was work, family, or fucking.

00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:18.400
That was it. So, like, I really dove into the

00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:22.279
lifestyle, you know, head first into the ocean.

00:27:22.980 --> 00:27:27.180
And so. No, dick first into the ocean. I coughed

00:27:27.180 --> 00:27:31.880
up a lot of seawater in the process. I got a

00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:37.000
question, Mr. Mocha. You, when you look at people

00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:40.519
who, like, I love the fact that. You know that

00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:44.140
he talks about the evolution of people. That's

00:27:44.140 --> 00:27:47.880
his focus. And I understand why. So when you

00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:51.920
look at the evolution of people, they. Every

00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:55.640
time they come to a challenge or a success, there's

00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:59.960
a process in their brain that makes them end

00:27:59.960 --> 00:28:03.240
up in a better position later. So what I want

00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:06.720
to know is when you ran into that again. OK,

00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:09.859
yeah. So. What I've noticed about people who

00:28:09.859 --> 00:28:14.359
evolve to the level that Brian Morgan's talking

00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:17.720
about is that every time they come up to a challenge,

00:28:17.779 --> 00:28:20.680
like you talked about the couple that lied, the

00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:22.839
wife is lying, and the husband's lying, they

00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:25.200
find out they're both lying, so then they blame

00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:28.740
you. Let's say that challenge. Or, you know,

00:28:28.740 --> 00:28:31.940
jealousy or any other issues that you come across

00:28:31.940 --> 00:28:34.259
in the lifestyle. What I notice is that people

00:28:34.259 --> 00:28:38.680
that evolve have a certain mindset. at at that

00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:41.500
challenge they think of those challenges in a

00:28:41.500 --> 00:28:44.099
different way than those that don't evolve so

00:28:44.099 --> 00:28:46.380
i want to know what your thought process is when

00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:49.079
you have a challenge are you looking at it like

00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:51.420
okay this is a challenge how do i overcome this

00:28:51.420 --> 00:28:54.420
has it ever you know get you to the point where

00:28:54.420 --> 00:28:56.619
you're like man i want to be out of this or makes

00:28:56.619 --> 00:28:58.920
you want to give up or what do you do what goes

00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:01.759
on in the mind of mr mocha when he's challenged

00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:11.119
to get better at something I think when it came

00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:17.440
to lifestyle stuff and situations in the lifestyle,

00:29:17.700 --> 00:29:27.559
my mindset is I want to understand. It's a relationship.

00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:30.579
The only difference is the type of relationship.

00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:41.200
And as a person, I want whatever I'm trying to

00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:45.220
give off is what I want to give off. So if I

00:29:45.220 --> 00:29:47.480
don't have bad intentions, I don't want you to

00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:54.960
take it that way. So if, if I'm going into situations

00:29:54.960 --> 00:30:00.000
in the beginning where things didn't go right,

00:30:00.099 --> 00:30:03.000
I would just kind of figure out what, what did

00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:07.809
I do wrong? Because oftentimes, And, you know,

00:30:07.829 --> 00:30:11.710
for many years, I would get pissed off, and I

00:30:11.710 --> 00:30:14.230
wouldn't say anything because that's, it is what

00:30:14.230 --> 00:30:16.869
it is. I would just cut people off who I felt

00:30:16.869 --> 00:30:22.910
were being stupid, you know. But later on, I

00:30:22.910 --> 00:30:30.450
started saying, okay, how can I set myself up

00:30:30.450 --> 00:30:35.059
for success? We've talked about many times the

00:30:35.059 --> 00:30:38.779
way I am when it comes to websites and things

00:30:38.779 --> 00:30:42.240
like that. I will miss out on a lot of couples

00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:46.019
because there's certain behaviors that I won't

00:30:46.019 --> 00:30:51.900
tolerate. And I won't tolerate those behaviors

00:30:51.900 --> 00:30:56.799
simply because 8 out of 10 times that behavior

00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.500
leaves down this road. Now, of course, there's

00:30:59.500 --> 00:31:01.740
going to be 2 out of 10 times where it doesn't,

00:31:01.740 --> 00:31:05.140
but... It's not worth it. It's not worth it.

00:31:06.259 --> 00:31:12.500
When I talk about behaviors and how people respond,

00:31:12.579 --> 00:31:14.980
I'm talking about how the people I've interacted

00:31:14.980 --> 00:31:18.839
respond to certain types of things. So I know

00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:21.339
I love being in a lifestyle, and I also enjoyed

00:31:21.339 --> 00:31:27.740
with lifestyle couples, I wanted to make long

00:31:27.740 --> 00:31:32.809
-term friendships. Even when you first started

00:31:32.809 --> 00:31:34.549
in the lifestyle, you were thinking that way?

00:31:34.630 --> 00:31:36.829
Like, long -term friendships with these people?

00:31:38.769 --> 00:31:50.069
Well, no, no. No, let me phrase that. I wanted

00:31:50.069 --> 00:31:57.309
to have consistent fuck partners. I get it. All

00:31:57.309 --> 00:31:59.490
right. The truth comes out. To me, in the lifestyle,

00:31:59.710 --> 00:32:05.519
friendship. Friendships are always, friendships

00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:10.880
are not necessary. But I have found that I've

00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:13.039
gotten my best friendships through the lifestyle.

00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:16.480
Through the lifestyle, yeah. I consider you my

00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:20.700
best friend. I met you at a convention. Yep.

00:32:20.819 --> 00:32:25.440
Yeah, exactly. You know, so, but when I'm talking

00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:27.279
about what, you know, when we're talking about

00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:32.339
people who I'm playing with, so. We could fuck

00:32:32.339 --> 00:32:36.539
and just fuck. And whatever our arrangement is,

00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:41.059
I wanted that to be clear. If you say, hey, I

00:32:41.059 --> 00:32:43.839
just want you to fuck my wife and don't talk

00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:48.720
to her, cool. If you say, all right, I want you

00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:52.339
to fuck my wife and treat her like a boyfriend,

00:32:52.579 --> 00:32:56.180
like you're her boyfriend, cool. So I was always

00:32:56.180 --> 00:32:58.099
trying to figure out, okay, what do we want?

00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:03.839
But early on, I didn't get that from both the

00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:08.319
husband and the wife, and I didn't know how to

00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:12.660
kind of create this triangle where I was communicating

00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:14.859
with him, communicating with her, communicating

00:33:14.859 --> 00:33:18.400
with them. You know, I'd run into trouble because

00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:21.079
I would just take one person's word. You know,

00:33:21.180 --> 00:33:24.500
I remember a husband like, oh, yeah, you know,

00:33:24.539 --> 00:33:27.819
she just wants you to pound her. And I'm like,

00:33:27.859 --> 00:33:29.700
I'm not really a pounder. Oh, no, she loves that.

00:33:30.190 --> 00:33:34.069
So I go in and I start pounding, and she's like,

00:33:34.309 --> 00:33:38.509
okay, you're hurting me. And I stop, and he's

00:33:38.509 --> 00:33:41.309
like, no, no, keep going. And I'm like, whoa,

00:33:41.450 --> 00:33:46.750
whoa, no. And so what would happen early on when

00:33:46.750 --> 00:33:50.210
stuff like that would happen, I was conflicted.

00:33:50.369 --> 00:33:52.369
So what would wind up happening is my dick would

00:33:52.369 --> 00:33:57.730
start getting soft. So now you both lose because.

00:33:59.419 --> 00:34:05.160
She don't want this. You are, you want this.

00:34:05.500 --> 00:34:09.000
And now because you two are in conflict, I can't

00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:10.980
focus on the job at hand. So I got to limp it.

00:34:12.420 --> 00:34:17.699
So my goal is always. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go

00:34:17.699 --> 00:34:25.800
ahead. What age? I was going to ask, I was going

00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:29.079
to ask Mocha, what age were you? when you started

00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:33.340
to like like see these things like see that okay

00:34:33.340 --> 00:34:36.500
the husband wants one thing i'm doing what he

00:34:36.500 --> 00:34:39.760
wants but i can see that it's you know the wife

00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:42.400
is not comfortable with this you know what age

00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.940
were you then were you still 23 then or had you

00:34:45.940 --> 00:34:52.570
was this a couple of years so i that I stuck

00:34:52.570 --> 00:34:55.849
pretty tight in that particular circle because

00:34:55.849 --> 00:34:59.050
I was a big circle of people. And at the time,

00:34:59.050 --> 00:35:04.789
I was a massage therapist. So what they would

00:35:04.789 --> 00:35:08.670
always do is give each other gift certificates,

00:35:08.929 --> 00:35:11.389
massage gift certificates for me to come in.

00:35:11.530 --> 00:35:15.050
It was a whole thing, which was like an inside

00:35:15.050 --> 00:35:19.219
joke. Hey, that's some shit. You're a massage

00:35:19.219 --> 00:35:22.719
therapist and me with personal training. That

00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:26.840
boy, I swear to God, we are like, God damn. I

00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:29.260
mean, that's what I did. You know, massage therapy,

00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:31.219
personal training, and nutrition. Those are my

00:35:31.219 --> 00:35:35.059
three. So that would be, that was the thing.

00:35:35.139 --> 00:35:37.579
So I was in that group. I mean, that was a group

00:35:37.579 --> 00:35:45.539
of probably, I don't know, 15, 16 wives. Damn

00:35:45.539 --> 00:35:48.699
right. So that, you know, going through that.

00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:51.780
So I probably worked in that circle for about

00:35:51.780 --> 00:35:56.519
two years within the lifestyle. So in that circle,

00:35:56.699 --> 00:36:03.619
it was, I really didn't get that because I was

00:36:03.619 --> 00:36:10.280
kind of the, they were careful what they would

00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:13.369
say around me. for the simple fact that they

00:36:13.369 --> 00:36:15.630
all knew that I was playing with their friends

00:36:15.630 --> 00:36:18.469
and things like that. So that was like happy

00:36:18.469 --> 00:36:21.809
land for me before I ventured out. So it was

00:36:21.809 --> 00:36:24.949
probably a couple years later when I started

00:36:24.949 --> 00:36:31.409
playing outside of that circle and started realizing

00:36:31.409 --> 00:36:36.030
that everybody wasn't like them. And like, okay,

00:36:36.070 --> 00:36:42.000
well, everybody's not like these guys. And that's

00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:45.480
when I started having issues because I just kind

00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:49.980
of went into it like, okay, whatever you guys

00:36:49.980 --> 00:36:52.719
say is what you mean. Because a lot of times

00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:54.800
couples will put this united front on like, oh,

00:36:54.820 --> 00:36:57.079
yeah, yeah, we're good. No, you're not good.

00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:01.300
But, you know, that's what we find out. You know,

00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:03.000
you start finding out later on down the road.

00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:06.000
So that was how, I mean, I stuck with the hot

00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:09.219
wifing and I didn't even get into the cuckolding

00:37:09.219 --> 00:37:18.230
until. oh my goodness cuckolding was it was probably

00:37:18.230 --> 00:37:28.429
i don't know maybe like 27 later on it was i

00:37:28.429 --> 00:37:31.809
was it was swinging for a good amount of time

00:37:31.809 --> 00:37:36.539
and hot wifing And my first real, like, obviously,

00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:38.920
like, now looking back, I realize that I was

00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:41.960
dealing with some cuckold couples, but it wasn't

00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:45.639
presented like that. The first cuckold experience

00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:50.000
I had was just kind of surprised me. Like, boom.

00:37:50.940 --> 00:37:53.719
You know, she starts talking shit to her husband

00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:56.679
while I'm fucking her, and I'm thinking he's

00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:59.260
about to double pump drop kick this chick in

00:37:59.260 --> 00:38:07.579
the face. I'm like, she's talking dirty. I'm

00:38:07.579 --> 00:38:11.980
like, God damn. You know, like, I'm like, should

00:38:11.980 --> 00:38:13.719
I get out of the way? And then, you know, he's,

00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:15.739
oh, I'm so sorry, honey. And he sits down and,

00:38:15.820 --> 00:38:18.280
you know, he's talking about, oh, this is a game.

00:38:18.579 --> 00:38:20.340
And then I'm like, wait, does she think she's

00:38:20.340 --> 00:38:22.980
going to talk to me like this? Let me go ahead

00:38:22.980 --> 00:38:28.219
and rearrange her guts. We know that that won't

00:38:28.219 --> 00:38:33.250
be allowed here. So, yeah, there's just so many

00:38:33.250 --> 00:38:39.550
stages to it. It's like trying to describe an

00:38:39.550 --> 00:38:44.530
encyclopedia. It's so much. But I think we drilled

00:38:44.530 --> 00:38:48.010
it down. I like the fact that you start off with,

00:38:48.150 --> 00:38:51.030
where am I going wrong? And even though sometimes

00:38:51.030 --> 00:38:54.230
you're not doing anything wrong, is that accountability?

00:38:55.809 --> 00:38:58.150
where Brian Morgan kicks in and he's talking

00:38:58.150 --> 00:39:00.710
about quality bulls. You know, you can debate

00:39:00.710 --> 00:39:02.670
on what that means, but I think there's some

00:39:02.670 --> 00:39:06.090
generalities that we can all agree on. And accountability

00:39:06.090 --> 00:39:09.130
first is one of them to me. Like, I don't think

00:39:09.130 --> 00:39:11.969
you get to evolve without that. You know what

00:39:11.969 --> 00:39:17.929
I'm saying? Absolutely. As I said one time before,

00:39:18.070 --> 00:39:24.230
every encounter that you have, you learn something.

00:39:25.200 --> 00:39:30.380
And again, that's a part of the evolution. And

00:39:30.380 --> 00:39:34.579
you are supposed to, to our younger boys out

00:39:34.579 --> 00:39:36.940
there that might be listening or listening in

00:39:36.940 --> 00:39:41.000
the future, you are supposed to have fuck -ups.

00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:45.480
That is how you learn. That's how you learn.

00:39:45.699 --> 00:39:48.739
You're supposed to have fuck -ups. If you were

00:39:48.739 --> 00:39:54.219
damn just perfect at 23 and 26 years old, then

00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:57.719
it would get boring very, very quickly, in my

00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:02.239
opinion. But because you do, like Mocha said,

00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:06.500
you learn. I mean, he learned. He evolved with

00:40:06.500 --> 00:40:10.900
every encounter that he had, sounds like. And

00:40:10.900 --> 00:40:13.159
then he was able to finally put together that

00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:17.780
equation that worked for him. And he did do that

00:40:17.780 --> 00:40:25.489
over time. That made him what he is now. I'm

00:40:25.489 --> 00:40:28.389
still learning. I'm still learning. Exactly.

00:40:28.889 --> 00:40:36.869
Exactly. As am I. I'm still learning. You know,

00:40:36.869 --> 00:40:41.670
man. I'm still learning. As a dude, my biggest

00:40:41.670 --> 00:40:46.349
nemesis is my dick. You know, my dick is my my

00:40:46.349 --> 00:40:51.030
dick is my biggest adversary. You know, when

00:40:51.030 --> 00:40:55.340
you start realizing like, hey, this This situation

00:40:55.340 --> 00:40:59.940
is not a good idea. You know, I know that based

00:40:59.940 --> 00:41:04.539
upon the behavior of this woman, this wife, this

00:41:04.539 --> 00:41:07.300
husband, this couple, I need to stop fucking

00:41:07.300 --> 00:41:09.460
her, but damn, she's finding the pussy so good.

00:41:09.659 --> 00:41:13.920
I'm going to try one more time. You know, your

00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:17.380
dick is always, you know, your dick is always

00:41:17.380 --> 00:41:22.480
like the devil on both shoulders. That's what

00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:27.039
daddy said, boy. That little head will ruin you.

00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:31.139
That little head will get you sometime, man.

00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:36.699
You cannot think. As he would say, boy, you ain't

00:41:36.699 --> 00:41:39.019
got good sense when that little head is talking

00:41:39.019 --> 00:41:42.159
like that. You ain't got good sense. And he's

00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:45.960
right. He is absolutely right. That's absolutely

00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.360
correct. Absolutely correct. Been there, done

00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.730
that. Still, like I said, my old ass, I'm still

00:41:52.730 --> 00:41:55.389
having, you know what I mean? Even though I've

00:41:55.389 --> 00:41:58.750
calmed down a whole lot, but I'm still, still

00:41:58.750 --> 00:42:02.289
struggling with that shit sometimes. Yeah. You

00:42:02.289 --> 00:42:05.409
know, just making, making the good decision.

00:42:06.090 --> 00:42:08.969
And, you know, to go back to what I was saying,

00:42:08.989 --> 00:42:12.969
to me, I think that it comes down to your personal

00:42:12.969 --> 00:42:15.289
nature. I'm one of those people that no matter

00:42:15.289 --> 00:42:17.730
what goes wrong, the first person I look at is

00:42:17.730 --> 00:42:22.269
me. What could I have done better? Because, don't

00:42:22.269 --> 00:42:24.730
get me wrong, I'm definitely going to blame those

00:42:24.730 --> 00:42:27.789
motherfuckers at some point. But somebody can

00:42:27.789 --> 00:42:29.909
be wrong, but I can also try to figure out how

00:42:29.909 --> 00:42:31.949
to avoid getting myself into a situation again.

00:42:32.550 --> 00:42:36.349
So for me, I'm always trying to figure out how

00:42:36.349 --> 00:42:40.090
to avoid a particular type of situation. Now,

00:42:40.090 --> 00:42:45.929
when it comes to education, I pay very close

00:42:45.929 --> 00:42:50.420
attention to behaviors. How do people act? It

00:42:50.420 --> 00:42:53.579
took years, and this is embarrassing to say,

00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:57.360
it took years in the lifestyle for me to accept

00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:01.780
and understand that, you know, when I was a single

00:43:01.780 --> 00:43:03.940
guy in the lifestyle that I had the same rights

00:43:03.940 --> 00:43:09.380
that couples had, that I didn't have to answer

00:43:09.380 --> 00:43:12.320
for the behavior of other single guys because

00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:15.519
I didn't ask couples to answer for the behavior

00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:21.320
of other couples. Your wife is not my fucking

00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:24.539
queen, and I don't have to treat her like that.

00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:27.019
I can treat her with the same respect that she

00:43:27.019 --> 00:43:30.039
treats me with, and she doesn't get more respect

00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:31.980
than I get, and you don't get more respect than

00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:39.480
I get. Anything that is asked of me, I have the

00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:42.159
right to expect from you when it comes to respect.

00:43:44.860 --> 00:43:47.340
That was the thing that took me a long time to

00:43:47.340 --> 00:43:51.880
come around to. lifestyle because, you know,

00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:53.920
once I stepped out of that circle and started

00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:57.360
trying to go to clubs and other parties, I went

00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:00.260
from going to parties where everyone knew who

00:44:00.260 --> 00:44:03.639
I was to trying to get introduced to new groups

00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:06.159
and new parties. And they treat, you know, everybody

00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:09.079
treats single guys like they had the plague,

00:44:09.099 --> 00:44:11.539
but everybody's still trying to suck your dick

00:44:11.539 --> 00:44:13.940
when nobody's looking, you know? So it was kind

00:44:13.940 --> 00:44:18.519
of like, you know, you're huge. Everybody acts

00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:23.679
like they hate single guys. I don't. Well, you

00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:27.860
don't. Well, you don't. I never understand that.

00:44:29.820 --> 00:44:33.739
Well, I mean, the expectation that people put

00:44:33.739 --> 00:44:39.239
on single guys and, you know, my wife is my queen.

00:44:39.659 --> 00:44:42.739
My wife ain't nobody else's queen. You know what

00:44:42.739 --> 00:44:46.730
I'm saying? I respect any guy who comes and plays

00:44:46.730 --> 00:44:48.690
with my wife, but once again, that's because

00:44:48.690 --> 00:44:51.469
of my experiences. I roll out the red carpet

00:44:51.469 --> 00:44:55.550
for any guy who my wife plays with. I make sure

00:44:55.550 --> 00:44:58.550
when he comes to my home, he's comfortable, and

00:44:58.550 --> 00:45:02.730
my aura makes him comfortable. I make sure that

00:45:02.730 --> 00:45:06.230
I know that I can be intimidating. I know that

00:45:06.230 --> 00:45:09.550
if they've never met me, I do my best to let

00:45:09.550 --> 00:45:11.949
you know, hey, I appreciate you coming through.

00:45:12.699 --> 00:45:14.079
I'm going to give you all the tips that I can

00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:18.079
give you. You know, feel comfortable, feel safe,

00:45:18.139 --> 00:45:20.420
blah, blah, blah. I make him feel comfortable.

00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:23.460
The things that people have said to me throughout

00:45:23.460 --> 00:45:25.719
the years where motherfuckers say, oh, well,

00:45:25.780 --> 00:45:29.719
you lucky that you get to fuck my wife. Like,

00:45:29.739 --> 00:45:31.940
I don't say the dickhead shit that I want to

00:45:31.940 --> 00:45:34.980
say, but I'm thinking, like, why the fuck am

00:45:34.980 --> 00:45:39.920
I lucky? Like, is she, like, like, what am I?

00:45:41.289 --> 00:45:44.510
she's used to fucking your four -inch dick. And

00:45:44.510 --> 00:45:46.690
I'm the lucky one? Get the fuck out of here.

00:45:46.750 --> 00:45:48.909
She's lucky, but I don't come across with that

00:45:48.909 --> 00:45:52.750
attitude. You know, and so, but it took years

00:45:52.750 --> 00:45:55.610
for me to finally have the mentality where it's

00:45:55.610 --> 00:46:02.070
like, oh, no, I can expect the same level of

00:46:02.070 --> 00:46:05.929
respect that I get. Mr. Michael, what do you

00:46:05.929 --> 00:46:10.099
say? That was also a big thing. What do you say?

00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.159
Like if somebody does say that, like if you end

00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:17.420
up, you know, in the room with a couple or, you

00:46:17.420 --> 00:46:19.519
know, she goes away to the bathroom and he says

00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:22.099
that, man, you lucky to get to play with my wife.

00:46:22.179 --> 00:46:24.260
And you know, let me tell you, like, what do

00:46:24.260 --> 00:46:27.619
you say? I mean, like verbally, I know what we

00:46:27.619 --> 00:46:33.219
say in our heads. Laugh just like that. Laugh

00:46:33.219 --> 00:46:37.460
just like that because you know damn well what

00:46:37.460 --> 00:46:40.409
you. what you know that you could say, especially

00:46:40.409 --> 00:46:43.190
when you got laid down. You know what I'm saying?

00:46:43.389 --> 00:46:46.750
And then curl the toes and all that shit. You

00:46:46.750 --> 00:46:48.889
can say that before I fuck her. You can't say

00:46:48.889 --> 00:46:54.829
that after I fuck her. Here's the thing. It's

00:46:54.829 --> 00:46:59.949
different. It's how it's said. When it's me and

00:46:59.949 --> 00:47:03.570
my husband talking about the wife. And we're

00:47:03.570 --> 00:47:06.369
just having fun banter about her. Oh, dude, you're

00:47:06.369 --> 00:47:08.710
so lucky about to get a fucker. Fucker, she's

00:47:08.710 --> 00:47:11.969
so wet and ready. I'm cool with that. Like, because,

00:47:12.110 --> 00:47:16.070
oh, I appreciate you sharing this pussy. I appreciate

00:47:16.070 --> 00:47:19.989
you sharing that energy. I appreciate the fact

00:47:19.989 --> 00:47:23.789
that, you know, you invited me out. You and your

00:47:23.789 --> 00:47:25.909
wife invited me out. You guys got me dinner and

00:47:25.909 --> 00:47:28.929
drinks. You got a great hotel room. And I'm going

00:47:28.929 --> 00:47:32.079
to go up there and give her. my very best. I

00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:34.639
want to blow her fucking mind. And in the meantime,

00:47:34.940 --> 00:47:37.900
with him and I bantering back and forth and talking

00:47:37.900 --> 00:47:41.059
about her and flirting with her and kind of doing

00:47:41.059 --> 00:47:45.800
that interaction between the husband and the

00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:52.619
bull, where it's this, I'm giving him that energy

00:47:52.619 --> 00:47:56.099
that he wants and I'm sharing, helping him bask

00:47:56.099 --> 00:48:00.329
in the glow that she's about to receive. That's

00:48:00.329 --> 00:48:04.769
different. But to have someone say, look, dude,

00:48:04.829 --> 00:48:06.769
you should be lucky I'm letting you fuck my wife.

00:48:06.789 --> 00:48:09.369
So, you know, if you can't come over this weekend,

00:48:09.710 --> 00:48:12.989
we'll just fucking find somebody else. At that

00:48:12.989 --> 00:48:15.150
point, I just say, well, you know something?

00:48:16.090 --> 00:48:19.769
You don't have to call me anymore. And the few

00:48:19.769 --> 00:48:27.550
times that's happened, it's... You know, some

00:48:27.550 --> 00:48:29.389
guy, you know, husband trying to be tough because,

00:48:29.489 --> 00:48:34.889
yeah, your wife is attractive. But, look, she

00:48:34.889 --> 00:48:38.309
likes me as much as I like her. And clearly you

00:48:38.309 --> 00:48:40.530
got a whole bunch of guys who are just like me

00:48:40.530 --> 00:48:42.590
who are fucking her just the way I do. So get

00:48:42.590 --> 00:48:44.630
one of them motherfuckers to fuck her so you

00:48:44.630 --> 00:48:47.170
can talk to her crazy. So now when she's calling

00:48:47.170 --> 00:48:49.510
me and asking me, hey, did I do something to

00:48:49.510 --> 00:48:51.650
offend you? No, you didn't do anything to offend

00:48:51.650 --> 00:48:53.510
me. But if you talk to your husband, he'll explain

00:48:53.510 --> 00:48:56.780
to you our last conversation. You know what I'm

00:48:56.780 --> 00:49:02.559
saying? Because I know my worth. You know what

00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:04.579
I'm saying? Like, I know statistically speaking

00:49:04.579 --> 00:49:09.539
what I provide. But when I first got into it,

00:49:09.579 --> 00:49:13.420
because I was compensating for all the horror

00:49:13.420 --> 00:49:17.719
stories I heard about all the single guys, and

00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:21.139
then I finally realized, no, dude, there are

00:49:21.139 --> 00:49:23.599
a whole bunch of horror stories about single

00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:27.210
guys. There's not a whole bunch of horror stories.

00:49:28.269 --> 00:49:33.030
I've done this exercise. Everybody talks about

00:49:33.030 --> 00:49:36.750
how bad single guys are. One in ten people can

00:49:36.750 --> 00:49:40.010
say they've had a bad experience. And when I

00:49:40.010 --> 00:49:42.010
say bad experience, I'm not talking about bad

00:49:42.010 --> 00:49:45.969
sex. I'm not talking about bad body odor. I'm

00:49:45.969 --> 00:49:50.190
not talking about the guy is fucking weird. I'm

00:49:50.190 --> 00:49:52.789
not talking about some unattractive single guy

00:49:52.789 --> 00:49:55.360
in the club who tried to talk to you. and said

00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:57.139
to you exactly what the attractive guy would

00:49:57.139 --> 00:49:58.639
have said, and you just sucked the attractive

00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:01.340
guy's dick. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking

00:50:01.340 --> 00:50:03.599
about how many times have you ever had a single

00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:06.000
guy who was just downright disrespectful? That's

00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:10.320
one intent. But everything else gets grouped

00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:13.639
into that. But it took me years to understand

00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:17.860
that. And so I was like extra cautious and compensating.

00:50:17.860 --> 00:50:23.500
And now I'm like, I'm not doing backflips. I'm

00:50:23.500 --> 00:50:27.809
going to give you. Whatever you give me. That's

00:50:27.809 --> 00:50:39.409
it. Well said. Well said. We haven't heard from

00:50:39.409 --> 00:50:46.010
the queen bee of our podcast tonight. The lovely

00:50:46.010 --> 00:50:49.949
siren. Siren, what's on your mind, babe? I'm

00:50:49.949 --> 00:50:53.170
just listening. Just soaking it in. You're just

00:50:53.170 --> 00:50:57.210
listening? It's been a long day today, so I'm

00:50:57.210 --> 00:51:02.250
just quietly absorbing the information, taking

00:51:02.250 --> 00:51:05.250
it in and interjecting it in there. I just wanted

00:51:05.250 --> 00:51:07.469
to say about that, the single guys, that's kind

00:51:07.469 --> 00:51:10.730
of one of my, it's a little burr under my saddle

00:51:10.730 --> 00:51:14.650
ever since I've been in the lifestyle. Socrates

00:51:14.650 --> 00:51:17.769
and I travel a lot, and just visiting the different

00:51:17.769 --> 00:51:20.250
places that, you know, on a prime night, they

00:51:20.250 --> 00:51:22.750
won't allow any single guys in. And I just...

00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:26.500
I haven't had that many bad interactions, and

00:51:26.500 --> 00:51:29.019
I know other people have, but I'm just like,

00:51:29.099 --> 00:51:31.800
maybe we can set up a night for all of us women

00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:35.480
that want the single guys, and then the couples

00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:38.039
can hang out on their night, and then the rest

00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:41.260
of us can have the single guys come to us. Would

00:51:41.260 --> 00:51:46.119
that work? Can we spread the word on that? You

00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:49.900
should ask your friends. You know, but you gotta

00:51:49.900 --> 00:51:52.079
ask them randomly don't don't challenge them

00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.340
because then they'll make some shit up Ask them

00:51:54.340 --> 00:51:56.380
like what was their worst single guy interaction,

00:51:56.760 --> 00:52:00.280
right? Mm -hmm. And then when they tell you what's

00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:02.099
your worst two single guy interaction, right?

00:52:02.940 --> 00:52:06.159
And then if they tell you two that are bad and

00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:08.179
then so how many single guys have you played

00:52:08.179 --> 00:52:11.900
with if they've had played with like 200 single

00:52:11.900 --> 00:52:15.480
dudes and that too bad like to actually like

00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:20.530
bad situations Because I can tell you this, we

00:52:20.530 --> 00:52:24.710
get way more disrespect from couples than we

00:52:24.710 --> 00:52:29.909
do from single guys. Always. Like we've always

00:52:29.909 --> 00:52:34.949
got more, had more, more like weird situations

00:52:34.949 --> 00:52:39.690
where couples, you know, cancel or, or just are

00:52:39.690 --> 00:52:45.010
no call, no show, or, you know, the single guy,

00:52:45.190 --> 00:52:48.480
I know you've had this. You talk to a couple

00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:51.760
online. They reach out to you. You talk to them.

00:52:52.380 --> 00:52:55.719
Then they just go silent. And then three months

00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:58.300
later, like 12 o 'clock in the morning, they

00:52:58.300 --> 00:53:01.760
message you like, hey, she's ready to come fuck.

00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:06.320
Are you up? Are you up? It's like the lifestyle

00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:11.300
booty call. One o 'clock in the morning. I ain't

00:53:11.300 --> 00:53:13.980
heard from you in two damn months. And you're

00:53:13.980 --> 00:53:16.369
going to hit me up. Are you up? Can you come

00:53:16.369 --> 00:53:23.130
over? Oh, Lord. So many times. Yes. So many times.

00:53:23.250 --> 00:53:26.969
Yes. Yes. We make it a policy at our house. That's

00:53:26.969 --> 00:53:29.110
a standard issue. Yeah, we don't cancel on people

00:53:29.110 --> 00:53:35.550
unless we are ill. You know, unless we are ill

00:53:35.550 --> 00:53:38.059
or we're just like. something turned with the

00:53:38.059 --> 00:53:40.579
vibe really hard strong you know hardcore but

00:53:40.579 --> 00:53:42.920
we just try to be really honest with people and

00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:45.079
not ghost them because there is so many situations

00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:47.440
like that and it's just annoying it's just like

00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:50.780
just communicate but i know people are afraid

00:53:50.780 --> 00:53:54.420
and all that good stuff but even when i was single

00:53:54.420 --> 00:53:56.579
before the lifestyle i just made that a policy

00:53:56.579 --> 00:53:59.530
like I would not, that's, that's why I'm married

00:53:59.530 --> 00:54:02.010
to Socrates now is because I didn't cancel that

00:54:02.010 --> 00:54:05.809
night because I wanted to, because I was really

00:54:05.809 --> 00:54:09.530
tired, but I was like, no, this is my policy

00:54:09.530 --> 00:54:12.289
with myself that if a man has the courage, you

00:54:12.289 --> 00:54:14.929
know, and asked me out and makes a plan, then

00:54:14.929 --> 00:54:18.269
I show up unless I'm, I'm really, really sick.

00:54:18.389 --> 00:54:21.110
So it's serving me well to, to be married to

00:54:21.110 --> 00:54:23.710
him now. And then also, you know, in the lifestyle

00:54:23.710 --> 00:54:26.489
we do that, you know, as a couple or individuals,

00:54:26.570 --> 00:54:30.400
it's like, Just really, you know, give a cancellation

00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:33.699
fee or something. I don't know. There should

00:54:33.699 --> 00:54:36.519
be. I say something. No. Okay. No, no, no. I'll

00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:40.340
tell you another thing. So we have had the problem

00:54:40.340 --> 00:54:44.059
with single women and the no -show cancellation.

00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:47.380
This one bitch, I'm about like, hey, you got

00:54:47.380 --> 00:54:49.800
to put down a security deposit before you're

00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:51.760
going to make another appointment with my husband.

00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:54.679
and waste more of my time putting you on the

00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:56.840
schedule as the slut secretary. I got a cancellation

00:54:56.840 --> 00:55:00.500
fee now. So next time be credit card, $100 deposit,

00:55:00.980 --> 00:55:07.800
non -refundable. Show up. Hey, listen. But I

00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:10.059
don't think we've had any dudes. We haven't had

00:55:10.059 --> 00:55:12.659
any dudes cancel. Single women are the roughest.

00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:17.340
Yeah, tell me about it. And that's why I don't

00:55:17.340 --> 00:55:21.179
deal with the unicorns. that was a rule that

00:55:21.179 --> 00:55:25.739
was a rule that uh that my handler uh she she

00:55:25.739 --> 00:55:27.960
was very adamant about when i was out there doing

00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:30.920
the escort thing if it's a it's a single if it's

00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:35.099
a single unless she really knew her unless she

00:55:35.099 --> 00:55:37.780
really really knew her and could you know vouch

00:55:37.780 --> 00:55:40.059
for her it wouldn't happen she was like they

00:55:40.059 --> 00:55:43.119
were not being like do that crazy she said she

00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:46.219
said women are women are foolish they're absolutely

00:55:46.219 --> 00:55:48.880
folks you know she was like i know what you see

00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:53.460
that Yeah, we have a lot of good ones. We have

00:55:53.460 --> 00:55:57.880
about to say, hey, no, no, no. Ladies, listeners,

00:55:58.179 --> 00:56:01.179
soccer teases down. I don't care if you're unicorn.

00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:04.940
Call me up. No problem. I'm letting my I'm letting

00:56:04.940 --> 00:56:07.199
my brothers over here speak their piece. And

00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:11.179
these guys are wise sages that I listen to. But

00:56:11.179 --> 00:56:12.760
I'm telling you right now, I ain't figured that

00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:15.889
out yet. Unicorns, holler at your boy. Thank

00:56:15.889 --> 00:56:19.230
you very much. Yeah, just remember that you have

00:56:19.230 --> 00:56:21.710
to go through a siren for the actual dick appointment,

00:56:21.869 --> 00:56:25.769
so I just want you to show up. Because you know

00:56:25.769 --> 00:56:28.110
when you don't show up, then I got to suck his

00:56:28.110 --> 00:56:31.730
dick twice as hard and twice as long. You know,

00:56:31.730 --> 00:56:34.150
ladies, I need some help. So, you know, if you're

00:56:34.150 --> 00:56:36.170
going to make the appointment, do it. Just show

00:56:36.170 --> 00:56:39.690
up. I'm not scary. I won't be there with, like,

00:56:39.690 --> 00:56:42.320
a pitchfork or anything. I'll probably sprinkle

00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:46.940
the rose petals myself. Light the candles for

00:56:46.940 --> 00:56:50.559
you. Please. And then plus, whenever he does

00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:55.699
have one, I usually go shopping. So that's a

00:56:55.699 --> 00:56:58.639
whole other thing. But yeah, some expensive pussy

00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:03.500
going on around here. Anyways, I just took that

00:57:03.500 --> 00:57:07.880
over on the single guy thing. I hear you. I got

00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:10.050
a question for everybody right now. and we go

00:57:10.050 --> 00:57:14.150
around the room um starting with starting with

00:57:14.150 --> 00:57:18.670
mocha and then socrates and then siren where

00:57:18.670 --> 00:57:23.929
where do you all think this lifestyle is going

00:57:23.929 --> 00:57:28.710
now in the future where is it headed and the

00:57:28.710 --> 00:57:32.230
reason i say this is because uh okay let me please

00:57:32.230 --> 00:57:34.969
let me finish when when this when this first

00:57:34.969 --> 00:57:38.159
came about in hot wiping or even swinging first

00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:41.980
came about it was so underground correct okay

00:57:41.980 --> 00:57:47.199
okay all right now here again here comes that

00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:52.539
word evolution it is now so so and i think about

00:57:52.539 --> 00:57:56.920
the the these ladies that i that i had at my

00:57:56.920 --> 00:57:59.659
other job that when we talked about you know

00:57:59.659 --> 00:58:03.360
the world that i live in you know the life that

00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:08.969
i live and they were so down so damn like, please

00:58:08.969 --> 00:58:11.269
tell us about all about it. You know what I mean?

00:58:12.409 --> 00:58:15.329
In the past, you couldn't have got those ladies

00:58:15.329 --> 00:58:17.750
to damn open their fucking mouth and ask me the

00:58:17.750 --> 00:58:20.289
questions that they were asking me or to like,

00:58:20.329 --> 00:58:24.210
be like, or to say, damn, I wish I had a husband

00:58:24.210 --> 00:58:27.530
like that. Or how can I approach my husband with

00:58:27.530 --> 00:58:29.789
an idea like that? You know what I mean? That's,

00:58:29.829 --> 00:58:33.969
that's, that's going from underground to above

00:58:33.969 --> 00:58:37.880
ground. So what I'm trying to say is, where do

00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:41.940
you guys think this life is going in the future?

00:58:42.500 --> 00:58:44.500
And, you know, here again, I hate the word lifestyle.

00:58:44.780 --> 00:58:47.559
Where do you think this life is going? I mean,

00:58:47.579 --> 00:58:52.900
where? I look at Splash. I look at the couples

00:58:52.900 --> 00:58:55.820
at Splash. You have a lot of couples now who

00:58:55.820 --> 00:58:58.480
are just like, fuck it. You know what I mean?

00:58:58.539 --> 00:59:01.320
This is who the fuck we are. You know, we don't.

00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:05.320
We don't. go back home and, you know, to the

00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:07.760
vanilla. This is who the hell we are. And we

00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:10.119
still have the ones who are still, you know,

00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:12.139
we do our thing here. When we leave here, we

00:59:12.139 --> 00:59:18.440
turn back into that other couple. But in my experience

00:59:18.440 --> 00:59:22.880
going around different places, I have met a lot

00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:25.539
of people and a lot of couples that are just

00:59:25.539 --> 00:59:30.739
like, you know, we aren't going to be vanilla

00:59:30.739 --> 00:59:35.210
anymore. This is who we are. Family might know.

00:59:35.969 --> 00:59:38.610
Some people might know. Colleagues might know,

00:59:38.690 --> 00:59:40.869
et cetera, et cetera. But we don't give a fuck.

00:59:41.010 --> 00:59:43.710
So that's why I'm asking. What do you guys think

00:59:43.710 --> 00:59:49.989
this world is called? I think that it's like

00:59:49.989 --> 00:59:52.309
everything else is perspective, right? And I'll

00:59:52.309 --> 00:59:57.650
say it like this. Until I was introduced to that

00:59:57.650 --> 01:00:03.340
world or this world. I was skating around it

01:00:03.340 --> 01:00:09.119
all day and never knew it was there. And once

01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:12.559
I was introduced to cuckolding, I started looking

01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:15.780
up information on it, and it was all over the

01:00:15.780 --> 01:00:23.940
fucking place. I think this lifestyle is... It's

01:00:23.940 --> 01:00:28.260
not going to change. The fact of the matter is...

01:00:30.110 --> 01:00:34.949
It's the same, and it's not there until you start

01:00:34.949 --> 01:00:37.510
looking for it. When you start looking for it,

01:00:37.570 --> 01:00:39.469
all of a sudden you realize, holy shit, this

01:00:39.469 --> 01:00:42.130
is all over the place. You know, when you talk

01:00:42.130 --> 01:00:44.789
to, I've got, we've got friends who are, well,

01:00:45.070 --> 01:00:47.670
I mean, hell, the couple who I first started

01:00:47.670 --> 01:00:52.670
with, now they're in their 60s. You know, I mean,

01:00:52.690 --> 01:00:57.289
they're late 60s. And they had a whole world

01:00:57.289 --> 01:01:02.530
that was going on. very actively that i had no

01:01:02.530 --> 01:01:06.369
idea existed so i don't i don't believe that

01:01:06.369 --> 01:01:10.869
it's so much that it's out there in everybody's

01:01:10.869 --> 01:01:13.929
face but it's kind of like when as soon as you

01:01:13.929 --> 01:01:16.030
start looking all of a sudden it's kind of like

01:01:16.030 --> 01:01:19.949
as soon as you buy a car You didn't realize that

01:01:19.949 --> 01:01:22.409
every time you blink, there's that same car.

01:01:22.530 --> 01:01:24.389
Like, holy shit, how many of these fucking cars

01:01:24.389 --> 01:01:26.829
own the home? That's how lifestyle is. Like,

01:01:26.829 --> 01:01:29.130
you know, before you get into lifestyle, you

01:01:29.130 --> 01:01:30.750
know, that's just some shit you kind of hear

01:01:30.750 --> 01:01:34.409
about on TV or some weird ass, you know, reality

01:01:34.409 --> 01:01:37.309
TV show. And then you get into it and it's like,

01:01:37.409 --> 01:01:39.769
holy shit, I think the neighbors are swingers.

01:01:39.869 --> 01:01:46.380
You know, so I don't see there being. I kind

01:01:46.380 --> 01:01:49.000
of think that everything is the same. Nothing's

01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:52.960
changed. It's just, you know, we see it everywhere,

01:01:52.980 --> 01:01:56.940
and it can't hide from us anymore. The blinders

01:01:56.940 --> 01:01:59.679
are on for us. But most of the world still has

01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:03.340
the blinders on. Good answer. Damn good answer.

01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:06.900
Socrates, Siren, or the both of y 'all together?

01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:10.969
Mine's going to be... I don't know. Mine's going

01:02:10.969 --> 01:02:14.050
to be long and complicated. So I don't know if

01:02:14.050 --> 01:02:17.530
Siren wants to go first. Mine was, so go ahead.

01:02:19.969 --> 01:02:22.130
Yeah, I'll be the happy little caboose at the

01:02:22.130 --> 01:02:27.050
end. Okay. So before I say what I'm saying to

01:02:27.050 --> 01:02:29.550
our listeners, I'm going to be the biggest hypocrite

01:02:29.550 --> 01:02:33.349
in the room for this. But I'm just going to stand

01:02:33.349 --> 01:02:38.530
ten toes down with it. And the reason why I say

01:02:38.530 --> 01:02:41.119
that is because By the time this episode comes

01:02:41.119 --> 01:02:47.719
out, we will do our best to be on TikTok, Instagram,

01:02:48.079 --> 01:02:53.380
Facebook, YouTube. I plan to market this as heavily

01:02:53.380 --> 01:03:02.920
as possible. And so I say that, and I disagree

01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:06.260
with Mr. Mocha. I think a tide has changed, and

01:03:06.260 --> 01:03:10.380
I don't like it, actually. I want our community

01:03:10.380 --> 01:03:20.579
to grow in numbers and lessen in attention. And

01:03:20.579 --> 01:03:22.099
I think there's a better word for attention,

01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:29.260
but maybe, I don't know, the public knowing about

01:03:29.260 --> 01:03:31.039
us. And here's why I say that. There's three

01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:36.420
reasons why I say a tide has changed. The first

01:03:36.420 --> 01:03:39.000
one is the biggest one and the most recent one,

01:03:39.139 --> 01:03:43.960
Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. That's one. The

01:03:43.960 --> 01:03:48.719
second was a sling. So I used to work for Dish

01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:54.219
Network. And they have what's called a sling

01:03:54.219 --> 01:03:58.380
thing. So it's like an online cable or Internet

01:03:58.380 --> 01:04:03.199
cable. And one of their campaigns for like a

01:04:03.199 --> 01:04:07.110
year was slingers. And the whole premise of their

01:04:07.110 --> 01:04:09.929
campaign was that these dudes that look like

01:04:09.929 --> 01:04:15.510
the 1960s, overly, like, outwitted swingers,

01:04:15.550 --> 01:04:19.849
and it was like a whole commercial series on

01:04:19.849 --> 01:04:24.309
it. And then the third thing was Lisa Ling did

01:04:24.309 --> 01:04:29.210
a show on... Naughty in New Orleans. Naughty

01:04:29.210 --> 01:04:34.670
in New Orleans. And to this day, like, my...

01:04:34.889 --> 01:04:37.590
My barber brought it up and called it the upside

01:04:37.590 --> 01:04:40.869
down people, upside down pineapple people. And

01:04:40.869 --> 01:04:43.929
I was just, I was acting like, you know, I was

01:04:43.929 --> 01:04:45.730
like, I don't know anything about it. And I was

01:04:45.730 --> 01:04:47.989
just asking questions like I normally do. And

01:04:47.989 --> 01:04:51.030
this dude literally thought that swingers have

01:04:51.030 --> 01:04:54.250
a real pineapple hanging outside the door and

01:04:54.250 --> 01:04:56.889
any rando can just knock on the door and then

01:04:56.889 --> 01:05:00.230
get it on. That's what I thought. Yeah. So. I

01:05:00.230 --> 01:05:04.130
think it's going to grow in both categories,

01:05:04.309 --> 01:05:07.329
which I obviously like being in this community.

01:05:07.389 --> 01:05:11.510
It's going to grow in people. But I also think

01:05:11.510 --> 01:05:15.309
because of a fourth, actually, a fourth thing,

01:05:15.389 --> 01:05:18.030
and maybe this is the point that Mr. Mocha might

01:05:18.030 --> 01:05:21.469
be making, so I'll concede this. I see a lot

01:05:21.469 --> 01:05:26.550
of new. tiktok and youtube podcasters out there

01:05:26.550 --> 01:05:29.690
talking about this and maybe that's where it's

01:05:29.690 --> 01:05:32.409
like okay what mr mocha is talking about is the

01:05:32.409 --> 01:05:34.769
reticular activating system so whenever your

01:05:34.769 --> 01:05:36.730
brain starts focusing on something it sees it

01:05:36.730 --> 01:05:39.949
everywhere so that one is probably just me because

01:05:39.949 --> 01:05:42.510
i'm i pretty much follow a lot of them and the

01:05:42.510 --> 01:05:45.510
algorithm is just feeding it to me but i don't

01:05:45.510 --> 01:05:47.110
think it's going to be good and here's where

01:05:47.110 --> 01:05:49.300
i think it's going I don't think it's going to

01:05:49.300 --> 01:05:51.940
be good because I also do notice what the vanilla

01:05:51.940 --> 01:05:53.960
world is saying about us. And the biggest trend

01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:56.639
that I've been following is that they associate

01:05:56.639 --> 01:06:03.320
us with P. Diddy. Like a swingers party has I've

01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:05.940
heard vanilla and nobody knows I'm a lifestyle.

01:06:06.099 --> 01:06:09.239
I've heard vanilla people just random twice.

01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:11.559
And I thought it was crazy. One was the post

01:06:11.559 --> 01:06:17.210
office. Talk about. You know, what P Diddy does

01:06:17.210 --> 01:06:22.030
is the same as what swingers do. And I find that

01:06:22.030 --> 01:06:24.989
comical. Yeah. And I've seen it a lot on TikTok,

01:06:25.010 --> 01:06:27.489
but I'm on TikTok a lot. But and then secondly,

01:06:27.690 --> 01:06:32.690
I'll say that I'll say that I think with politically

01:06:32.690 --> 01:06:37.309
us moving more conservative, I don't think it's

01:06:37.309 --> 01:06:39.969
going to be viewed as cool, even though most.

01:06:40.409 --> 01:06:44.170
statistically most swingers in the swinger category

01:06:44.170 --> 01:06:47.690
and not the poly category are conservative. I

01:06:47.690 --> 01:06:49.610
don't think it's going in the right direction.

01:06:49.949 --> 01:06:52.750
And I don't think the attention we're getting,

01:06:52.849 --> 01:06:55.449
because when you watch Secret Lives, they just

01:06:55.449 --> 01:06:57.809
put up there all the hashtags, hot wife, swinger,

01:06:57.949 --> 01:06:59.969
all of them, cuckold. They put it all up there

01:06:59.969 --> 01:07:02.690
real fast. And I'm like, these people did like

01:07:02.690 --> 01:07:06.429
three things on the show. And it's even debatable

01:07:06.429 --> 01:07:10.670
if they did any kind of real... Ethical non -monogamy

01:07:10.670 --> 01:07:13.090
stuff. It's not even a main part of it. It's

01:07:13.090 --> 01:07:15.329
mentioned like a few times. And the only reason

01:07:15.329 --> 01:07:17.010
why they got a show is because they talked about

01:07:17.010 --> 01:07:21.329
the swinger stuff. But they were really kind

01:07:21.329 --> 01:07:24.230
of just big Mormon TikTokers. And then that blew

01:07:24.230 --> 01:07:28.210
them up. So it's like, I think it's going to

01:07:28.210 --> 01:07:32.750
have negative repercussions. I think there's

01:07:32.750 --> 01:07:36.530
already a state, I think, in the Northwest that's

01:07:36.530 --> 01:07:39.030
now made it illegal. to be an ethical nominee?

01:07:39.630 --> 01:07:45.489
We lost you for a second there. Oh. Yeah. Oh,

01:07:46.590 --> 01:07:52.210
okay. I said, the last part I said was, there's

01:07:52.210 --> 01:07:55.650
even a state in the northeast that's now made

01:07:55.650 --> 01:08:00.329
swinging illegal. And so, I don't see a good

01:08:00.329 --> 01:08:04.409
trend. And like I said, I'm being a hypocrite

01:08:04.409 --> 01:08:07.179
because I'm on a market. the hell out of this

01:08:07.179 --> 01:08:09.699
show because i believe in it and siren and siren

01:08:09.699 --> 01:08:14.280
show and any other ones but you know that's that's

01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:16.739
really just because i'm like well you can either

01:08:16.739 --> 01:08:19.119
you know i used to be a surfer and i'm like you

01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:21.720
can either ride the wave and try to survive it

01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:26.039
in or you can try to be under it and i'm just

01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:28.680
riding it but i don't think it's going in a good

01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:32.800
direction it's so interesting because in in a

01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:35.930
lot of situations i'm the negative sorter And

01:08:35.930 --> 01:08:37.890
then you were just a negative sorter here with

01:08:37.890 --> 01:08:42.890
this situation. And I feel like really excited,

01:08:42.909 --> 01:08:46.050
actually, and hopeful. And if we had fuck you

01:08:46.050 --> 01:08:49.310
money, I would already be like posting on Facebook.

01:08:49.529 --> 01:08:54.630
Like, here is my ex account. And, you know, whatever.

01:08:54.810 --> 01:08:56.630
Here's my podcast. Here's everything. And if

01:08:56.630 --> 01:09:00.819
you don't like it, fuck you. But. I'm following

01:09:00.819 --> 01:09:03.159
my husband and his leadership and his vision

01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:05.399
and, you know, slow rolling that, but I would,

01:09:05.420 --> 01:09:07.819
I'd be out already. I'm, I'm tired of it, you

01:09:07.819 --> 01:09:11.239
know? So for a while there, it was like anybody

01:09:11.239 --> 01:09:14.359
that did a personal service for me, like massage

01:09:14.359 --> 01:09:16.359
or anything else, I would tell them all about

01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:19.500
it. And my husband was like, can you please like

01:09:19.500 --> 01:09:21.560
slow down a little bit? I'm trying to get that

01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:23.319
fuck you money. And then you can tell everybody

01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:26.520
that you want to. I think eventually, you know,

01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:29.140
because, you know, my my daughter who's in her

01:09:29.140 --> 01:09:32.779
20s knows and she could care less. Her few of

01:09:32.779 --> 01:09:35.000
her friends know they're like, whatever. They

01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:37.619
don't even talk about it. It's just we also live

01:09:37.619 --> 01:09:41.079
in the same state who a friend of ours just said

01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:44.380
another friend of hers lost her job off of the

01:09:44.380 --> 01:09:47.840
rumor that she was one. And we're not also going

01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:49.960
to mention that somebody didn't show up to our

01:09:49.960 --> 01:09:53.659
wedding because of it. So it is not like, don't

01:09:53.659 --> 01:09:55.579
get me wrong, I love this lifestyle. It introduced

01:09:55.579 --> 01:09:59.060
me to some of my best friends. And we have businesses

01:09:59.060 --> 01:10:02.260
and we have based on this community. I love it.

01:10:02.699 --> 01:10:07.340
But I'm not. But I think you're saying what I

01:10:07.340 --> 01:10:11.439
was saying. You're saying exactly what I was

01:10:11.439 --> 01:10:14.569
saying, that shit start changing. 20 years ago,

01:10:14.670 --> 01:10:16.710
you'd have lost your job if you found out you

01:10:16.710 --> 01:10:19.989
were a swinger. I mean, swinging will always

01:10:19.989 --> 01:10:23.270
have a certain type of negative connotation on

01:10:23.270 --> 01:10:25.470
it because you have so many people out there

01:10:25.470 --> 01:10:30.050
who want to keep it a secret. Yeah, they want

01:10:30.050 --> 01:10:36.289
to keep it a secret. In my opinion, going according

01:10:36.289 --> 01:10:41.159
to what you just said, If it was going in the

01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:43.119
direction that I think that you say it's going

01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:48.260
in, that means you start having states saying,

01:10:48.359 --> 01:10:51.800
hey, don't worry about the swinging. In my opinion,

01:10:51.859 --> 01:10:54.659
I think that, you know, you can be part of the

01:10:54.659 --> 01:11:01.420
LGBTQ community, no problem. But people still

01:11:01.420 --> 01:11:04.399
look down on lifestylers and swingers and people

01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:07.220
who are in ethical, non -monogamous relationships.

01:11:08.170 --> 01:11:11.069
Because there are so many people who are in positions

01:11:11.069 --> 01:11:14.550
of power who understand the importance of keeping

01:11:14.550 --> 01:11:17.090
that side of their life secret. And so, yeah,

01:11:17.170 --> 01:11:20.829
I definitely think that there's a lot of people

01:11:20.829 --> 01:11:24.590
who just not want this to become something that's

01:11:24.590 --> 01:11:27.890
bigger than it is. And the fact of the matter

01:11:27.890 --> 01:11:31.350
is, yeah, for us, our eyes are open to this particular

01:11:31.350 --> 01:11:36.329
thing. But it's kind of like you're saying...

01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:42.359
All of a sudden, there's 50, you know, a thousand

01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:45.619
new shows and a thousand new places to access

01:11:45.619 --> 01:11:48.859
the lifestyle information. That's true. But there's

01:11:48.859 --> 01:11:51.119
a million other things that are being thrown

01:11:51.119 --> 01:11:55.779
out there when it comes to all the other things

01:11:55.779 --> 01:11:59.779
that we are told to accept and that's being pushed

01:11:59.779 --> 01:12:04.720
onto the community that still keeps the LS community.

01:12:05.529 --> 01:12:07.729
at the same level you know what i'm saying so

01:12:07.729 --> 01:12:11.270
to me because i talked to i mean i talk to people

01:12:11.270 --> 01:12:17.130
every day who they're not they they've heard

01:12:17.130 --> 01:12:19.050
about it but they don't know anything about it

01:12:19.050 --> 01:12:21.350
but now as soon as they start researching they're

01:12:21.350 --> 01:12:23.350
like holy you could find this i mean i remember

01:12:23.350 --> 01:12:26.149
i mean one of the i mean you can go back to the

01:12:26.149 --> 01:12:29.609
70s and find swingers clubs there's been swingers

01:12:29.609 --> 01:12:35.869
clubs popping since the 70s swinging period.

01:12:36.949 --> 01:12:41.050
But you say swinging back further than that,

01:12:41.090 --> 01:12:43.369
and then we're only talking about U .S. We're

01:12:43.369 --> 01:12:45.829
not even talking about European stuff. And then

01:12:45.829 --> 01:12:48.890
when we just talk about the concept of sex and

01:12:48.890 --> 01:12:51.810
things like that, let's start looking at history.

01:12:52.090 --> 01:12:53.609
We can take this all the way back to fucking

01:12:53.609 --> 01:12:58.869
Rome if we want to. So the same people who are

01:12:58.869 --> 01:13:01.609
interested in it, those are the people who are

01:13:01.609 --> 01:13:03.800
going to dive into it. You know what I'm saying?

01:13:04.319 --> 01:13:07.359
You know, the chicks that are interested in getting

01:13:07.359 --> 01:13:10.319
fisted, they can find fisting material everywhere.

01:13:10.539 --> 01:13:12.979
You know what I'm saying? The chicks that are,

01:13:13.100 --> 01:13:15.020
you know, the people that are interested in anal,

01:13:15.260 --> 01:13:17.819
you can find anal everywhere. But once you start

01:13:17.819 --> 01:13:20.300
finally looking for it, it's like, man, a lot

01:13:20.300 --> 01:13:22.039
more people like that than I thought. Anything

01:13:22.039 --> 01:13:24.899
that you look at, you're going to realize that

01:13:24.899 --> 01:13:28.699
you're a cross -section of the world. So anything

01:13:28.699 --> 01:13:31.739
that you can think of. You can find a million

01:13:31.739 --> 01:13:34.699
people who think the same shit. You know what

01:13:34.699 --> 01:13:37.239
I'm saying? And now with social media being what

01:13:37.239 --> 01:13:40.619
it is, there's a lot more access to people who

01:13:40.619 --> 01:13:43.159
have the same viewpoints you have. That's why

01:13:43.159 --> 01:13:45.359
our political situation is so fucked up because

01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:48.060
everybody can find somebody with their exact

01:13:48.060 --> 01:13:53.340
same opinion. Sex is the same. Well, I just want

01:13:53.340 --> 01:13:55.960
to talk about it because I have a large group

01:13:55.960 --> 01:14:00.149
of friends that I've told. You know, that are

01:14:00.149 --> 01:14:02.409
vanilla, that are just like, oh, yeah, that seems

01:14:02.409 --> 01:14:04.949
like something you'd be into. And then they feel

01:14:04.949 --> 01:14:07.250
free to ask questions. And even if they don't

01:14:07.250 --> 01:14:09.609
want to participate now, it's just like a normal

01:14:09.609 --> 01:14:11.869
topic to them. They're like, oh, yeah, we just

01:14:11.869 --> 01:14:13.949
talk about it every month at Ladies Bunko. We

01:14:13.949 --> 01:14:16.189
just talk about it, you know, and then they ask

01:14:16.189 --> 01:14:18.729
questions and that's my opportunity to educate

01:14:18.729 --> 01:14:24.430
them. So I'm not saying, you know, I just I just

01:14:24.430 --> 01:14:26.739
think we're going to be another letter. eventually

01:14:26.739 --> 01:14:29.760
just like you know however many years ago being

01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:33.000
gay was like such a big deal and now it's just

01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:35.520
pretty much like everybody's you know knows someone

01:14:35.520 --> 01:14:39.840
who's gay trans or anything else so my mindset

01:14:39.840 --> 01:14:42.779
is to think that if I have anything to do with

01:14:42.779 --> 01:14:45.560
it, you know, in my small little pool of the

01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:47.960
world, I just want, and that's what the goal

01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:50.939
of my podcast is too, is just to get people to

01:14:50.939 --> 01:14:53.840
normalize, especially women just talking about

01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:56.060
their sexuality and talking about their sexual

01:14:56.060 --> 01:15:00.020
journey. Because then when they get to the siren

01:15:00.020 --> 01:15:03.239
after dark portion and they find out what's on

01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:05.600
that side of it, you know, I'm trying to lead

01:15:05.600 --> 01:15:08.890
them into that to find out the information. You

01:15:08.890 --> 01:15:11.189
know, it's not just about like them being curious

01:15:11.189 --> 01:15:13.449
and looking for it. It's like some of the women,

01:15:13.590 --> 01:15:16.329
you know, at Bunko, they're like, oh, what is

01:15:16.329 --> 01:15:18.609
that all about? And then, you know, yeah, some

01:15:18.609 --> 01:15:22.130
of them have some pretty twisted things, you

01:15:22.130 --> 01:15:25.069
know, about what swing might be or what the lifestyle

01:15:25.069 --> 01:15:27.989
is all about. But I just love the opportunity

01:15:27.989 --> 01:15:32.189
to be able to educate them. And since they already

01:15:32.189 --> 01:15:36.340
respect me as a person, I don't feel like. You

01:15:36.340 --> 01:15:38.560
know, I haven't really had I can't think of anybody

01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:42.340
that has negatively replied, you know, or they

01:15:42.340 --> 01:15:46.159
were damn good at hiding it, you know. So obviously,

01:15:46.260 --> 01:15:47.840
I don't know all their internal thoughts and

01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:50.880
feelings, but it doesn't seem to have changed

01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:53.399
too many of my relationships and friendships,

01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:56.340
you know, except like my husband mentioned the

01:15:56.340 --> 01:15:58.460
one person, you know, that called and said they

01:15:58.460 --> 01:15:59.920
weren't coming to our wedding because of it.

01:16:00.279 --> 01:16:02.899
But, you know, that was more carne asada tacos

01:16:02.899 --> 01:16:06.939
for me. Well, I was really upset about it, actually.

01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:10.100
It's a longtime friend that did this. But, you

01:16:10.100 --> 01:16:13.880
know, some will and some won't, you know? But

01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:16.319
I just, I want to be myself. And I've waited

01:16:16.319 --> 01:16:19.680
a long time to be myself. Well, let me say this.

01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:26.300
Let me say this. That's just one, you know, idiot

01:16:26.300 --> 01:16:32.500
that just doesn't get it, all right? And you're

01:16:32.500 --> 01:16:35.239
going to have people like that? You're going

01:16:35.239 --> 01:16:39.359
to have people like that, and, you know, so be

01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:43.119
it. Let them live their life. Yeah. Period. And

01:16:43.119 --> 01:16:46.340
they're missing out. They're missing out. Exactly.

01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:51.159
Exactly. I know in my situation, when I decided

01:16:51.159 --> 01:16:56.279
to be myself, and if you ask me, or if I hear

01:16:56.279 --> 01:16:58.399
somebody talking about it, and you ask me something,

01:16:58.539 --> 01:17:01.779
and I start to talk, and I start to, I didn't

01:17:01.779 --> 01:17:06.060
realize it, but I start to. educate them on this

01:17:06.060 --> 01:17:09.939
life and how this life has really benefited so

01:17:09.939 --> 01:17:13.760
many couples positively in their relationship

01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:19.720
and in their marriage. And I tell them that it's

01:17:19.720 --> 01:17:22.560
not about me. They're just trying to have sex.

01:17:22.699 --> 01:17:28.460
I was like, I am actually bending in and helping

01:17:28.460 --> 01:17:31.800
these other couples. And I tell them when I go

01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:34.420
to these events. i meet some of the happiest

01:17:34.420 --> 01:17:40.239
married couples in the freaking world um and

01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:42.359
after i talk to them like that you know such

01:17:42.359 --> 01:17:45.960
as the ladies um that i talk to they they start

01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:48.619
to get it you know i mean like and like mocha

01:17:48.619 --> 01:17:50.899
said they start doing their research and they

01:17:50.899 --> 01:17:54.199
realize you know my god this this is a whole

01:17:54.199 --> 01:17:58.920
nother world and i'm intrigued by it you know

01:17:58.920 --> 01:18:07.170
um And it's a damn shame that so many, that so

01:18:07.170 --> 01:18:11.409
many, and here I am talking about these vanilla

01:18:11.409 --> 01:18:13.789
husbands now, because the wives, they want to

01:18:13.789 --> 01:18:15.489
go back and down and talk about shit. They want

01:18:15.489 --> 01:18:18.229
to bring it up to them. But these, a lot of these

01:18:18.229 --> 01:18:23.369
husbands, here again, they are just, depending

01:18:23.369 --> 01:18:25.930
on where you come from, like here I am down here

01:18:25.930 --> 01:18:29.829
in the South, they just don't, you know. Don't

01:18:29.829 --> 01:18:35.149
get it. They just don't get it. And it's a shame.

01:18:35.210 --> 01:18:40.189
It really is a shame. I think that I'm 50 -50

01:18:40.189 --> 01:18:44.689
on this. I think there's a part of me that thinks

01:18:44.689 --> 01:18:51.050
a percentage of people and of couples will, you

01:18:51.050 --> 01:18:54.510
know, come out and just, you know, live this

01:18:54.510 --> 01:18:57.760
life and take it further. And then I think there's

01:18:57.760 --> 01:19:02.199
another 50 % of me that is kind of like maybe

01:19:02.199 --> 01:19:06.819
Socrates and, you know, they're just not going

01:19:06.819 --> 01:19:13.659
to happen. Why, I don't know, because what are

01:19:13.659 --> 01:19:16.739
you doing wrong? You know, when I ask the question,

01:19:16.939 --> 01:19:22.140
what am I doing wrong? They can't give me a fucking

01:19:22.140 --> 01:19:25.319
answer. Yeah, we're not hurting anyone. Do y

01:19:25.319 --> 01:19:27.140
'all understand what I'm talking about? You know

01:19:27.140 --> 01:19:28.920
what I'm saying? We ain't hurting a damn. We're

01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:32.020
not hurting anyone. We're not hurting anyone.

01:19:32.640 --> 01:19:38.359
Nobody. Everybody is understanding and knows

01:19:38.359 --> 01:19:41.739
what the other one is doing. Everybody's talking

01:19:41.739 --> 01:19:45.399
about it. You know what I mean? Open -minded,

01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:49.939
open communication, no lying, no cheating, no

01:19:49.939 --> 01:19:53.539
nothing. Right. So how are we hurting somebody?

01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:59.539
You know? We're hurting somebody. So that's where

01:19:59.539 --> 01:20:02.899
I stand. Oh, and last but not least, my baby

01:20:02.899 --> 01:20:08.779
girl in the last week or two has had a couple

01:20:08.779 --> 01:20:11.399
of conversations with some ladies that she knows.

01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:17.500
And I guess they got the vibe from her in conversation.

01:20:17.699 --> 01:20:23.369
So they asked her, you know, like... In other

01:20:23.369 --> 01:20:26.930
words, you know, what's your life like? What

01:20:26.930 --> 01:20:30.210
are you into? So she told him. She told him about,

01:20:30.390 --> 01:20:34.250
you know, having a husband and a boyfriend. And

01:20:34.250 --> 01:20:36.970
it turned into, she said, two of the greatest

01:20:36.970 --> 01:20:40.869
conversations that she has ever had with two

01:20:40.869 --> 01:20:43.770
women. And the women were like, oh, my freaking

01:20:43.770 --> 01:20:46.729
God. That is absolutely, after she explained

01:20:46.729 --> 01:20:48.930
everything to them, that's absolutely wonderful.

01:20:50.720 --> 01:20:52.720
Wonderful, quote unquote, I wish I had that.

01:20:52.880 --> 01:20:56.000
Yeah, I've had a lot of positivity talking to

01:20:56.000 --> 01:20:59.819
other women. Yeah, she just had one of those

01:20:59.819 --> 01:21:04.399
conversations today when she got a massage. She

01:21:04.399 --> 01:21:08.579
couldn't wait to call me and let me know, baby,

01:21:08.600 --> 01:21:12.760
guess what just happened? You know, her masseuse,

01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:16.880
they sat there and talked after the massage was

01:21:16.880 --> 01:21:19.920
over with. And she had a great conversation with

01:21:19.920 --> 01:21:24.079
her. Great conversation. So don't sit here and

01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:29.939
tell me that people don't want to know about

01:21:29.939 --> 01:21:31.880
this life. Don't tell me they're not curious.

01:21:32.039 --> 01:21:35.260
Don't tell me they're not, you know, a lot of

01:21:35.260 --> 01:21:39.140
people, a lot of people, y 'all, wish or want

01:21:39.140 --> 01:21:43.699
to be a part of the world that we live and love

01:21:43.699 --> 01:21:51.020
on a daily basis. They do. They really do. I'm

01:21:51.020 --> 01:21:55.619
here again. It's up for the four of us, along

01:21:55.619 --> 01:21:59.479
with the other members, to educate. Educate,

01:21:59.479 --> 01:22:03.020
educate, educate, educate. Facts. You know, don't,

01:22:03.020 --> 01:22:07.039
I mean, when you hear somebody talking about

01:22:07.039 --> 01:22:10.239
it, and they may, you know, ask you something

01:22:10.239 --> 01:22:12.579
about it or whatever, God damn it, tell them.

01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:15.560
Don't ask me no shit. I tell people right, I

01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:18.600
tell people quick. Don't ask me something you

01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:23.279
don't. You ask the right dude, okay? You ask

01:22:23.279 --> 01:22:25.979
the right guy. Because I'm going to tell you.

01:22:26.039 --> 01:22:28.399
I'm going to tell you. I don't shy away from

01:22:28.399 --> 01:22:31.939
anything. I don't. This is who I am. This is

01:22:31.939 --> 01:22:43.239
it, you know? And I just hope that this grows.

01:22:43.520 --> 01:22:46.720
I really do. I hope that this grows. And obviously

01:22:46.720 --> 01:22:49.020
it is because, you know, you're having these,

01:22:49.220 --> 01:22:53.760
you know, Lisa Lane and all these other TV shows,

01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:58.979
et cetera, et cetera. So I think it's going to

01:22:58.979 --> 01:23:04.380
grow. I think it's going to grow. And I'm so

01:23:04.380 --> 01:23:08.000
glad to be a part of it. And I'm so glad to have

01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:11.560
my family right here with me here again in this

01:23:11.560 --> 01:23:19.220
evolution of growth. I'm with it. I agree with

01:23:19.220 --> 01:23:21.520
what you said. I definitely think everybody's

01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:26.420
interested in it. Everyone is interested in anything.

01:23:27.579 --> 01:23:30.420
There's very few people who are not interested

01:23:30.420 --> 01:23:33.420
in certain things. Now, don't get me wrong. People

01:23:33.420 --> 01:23:38.020
go, oh my God, I can't believe you do that while

01:23:38.020 --> 01:23:40.720
they're watching. Look at that. I can't believe

01:23:40.720 --> 01:23:44.619
you're letting somebody do this to your wife.

01:23:44.989 --> 01:23:46.350
But they're going to ask you questions. They

01:23:46.350 --> 01:23:48.090
want to know about all the stuff that they're

01:23:48.090 --> 01:23:50.029
pretending like they're not interested in. So

01:23:50.029 --> 01:23:51.829
I definitely think that people want to know.

01:23:51.989 --> 01:23:57.470
But I also think that a whole lot more people

01:23:57.470 --> 01:24:02.670
than not want to keep it secret. We are a part

01:24:02.670 --> 01:24:10.789
of a 1 % of, we're 1 % of the 1 % of people in

01:24:10.789 --> 01:24:12.880
their lifestyle. and that one percent is the

01:24:12.880 --> 01:24:15.659
people who are actually open out there advocating

01:24:15.659 --> 01:24:19.039
happy to talk about happy to interact happy to

01:24:19.039 --> 01:24:23.300
engage but most people you know are very very

01:24:23.300 --> 01:24:25.500
cautious they want this to be private they don't

01:24:25.500 --> 01:24:27.579
want people to know what they're doing you know

01:24:27.579 --> 01:24:32.899
so that's what i mean when i say the the direction

01:24:32.899 --> 01:24:37.460
of this particular lifestyle no matter what it's

01:24:37.460 --> 01:24:39.359
going to be the same as it's always been for

01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:43.869
the simple fact that We are a very small part

01:24:43.869 --> 01:24:48.390
of a very, very small community when we compare

01:24:48.390 --> 01:24:53.970
it to the rest of the world that are interested

01:24:53.970 --> 01:24:58.789
in sharing our stories and hearing people. So

01:24:58.789 --> 01:25:01.409
the amount of people that's going to listen to

01:25:01.409 --> 01:25:05.590
us will far, far, far exceed the amount of people

01:25:05.590 --> 01:25:09.329
who will admit to joining in. and our debauchery.

01:25:09.710 --> 01:25:13.890
A lot more than people will listen. But, you

01:25:13.890 --> 01:25:15.949
know, only a small percentage of those people

01:25:15.949 --> 01:25:18.510
are going to be brave enough to even speak about

01:25:18.510 --> 01:25:21.109
it. You know, the beauty about the internet is

01:25:21.109 --> 01:25:23.569
those people who are scared, now they can go

01:25:23.569 --> 01:25:27.649
and privacy their own home and look up podcasts

01:25:27.649 --> 01:25:30.390
and look up information and look at a lot of

01:25:30.390 --> 01:25:34.010
these bullshit ass shows that don't even... shows

01:25:34.010 --> 01:25:37.550
lifestyle and swinging or hot wiping or cuckolding

01:25:37.550 --> 01:25:39.609
in the right light. But, you know, it's still

01:25:39.609 --> 01:25:42.989
fantasy to people. You know, so that's why when

01:25:42.989 --> 01:25:47.489
I say I think that it's going to kind of stay

01:25:47.489 --> 01:25:53.050
on the same trajectory, I think lots of people

01:25:53.050 --> 01:25:55.050
will continue getting into lifestyle because

01:25:55.050 --> 01:25:57.229
there are a lot more people in the lifestyle.

01:25:57.409 --> 01:25:59.890
For whatever number you think there is, there's

01:25:59.890 --> 01:26:02.369
a whole lot more who are very, very discreet.

01:26:03.020 --> 01:26:05.180
You know, and that's just how they're happy being.

01:26:05.659 --> 01:26:09.960
Most lifestylers don't want to be put on. They

01:26:09.960 --> 01:26:12.699
don't want a letter. They don't want nobody to

01:26:12.699 --> 01:26:14.479
know that they're a part of anything. Just leave

01:26:14.479 --> 01:26:19.020
us in the shadows. You know, let my wife go suck

01:26:19.020 --> 01:26:24.199
some dick. You know, I don't want nobody to know

01:26:24.199 --> 01:26:26.939
about them. Pretend like, oh, my God, your wife

01:26:26.939 --> 01:26:30.689
sucks dick. You fucking weirdo. Honey, make sure

01:26:30.689 --> 01:26:34.010
you're not sucking the same dick that she's sucking.

01:26:34.170 --> 01:26:35.270
You know what I'm saying? Like, that's how it

01:26:35.270 --> 01:26:39.270
really works. You know, it's still a secret society.

01:26:39.689 --> 01:26:41.770
You know what I'm saying? People still want that,

01:26:41.770 --> 01:26:47.850
you know, that discretion. You know, even when

01:26:47.850 --> 01:26:50.569
I'm looking on websites, I still have people

01:26:50.569 --> 01:26:53.829
say to me, hey, I'm looking for discretion. Cool.

01:26:54.289 --> 01:26:56.770
I mean, I'm perfectly fine with that. Like, I'm

01:26:56.770 --> 01:26:58.529
not going to be yelling your name from the...

01:26:59.380 --> 01:27:03.100
I fuck Jeannie. I fuck Jeannie. I'm not going

01:27:03.100 --> 01:27:05.880
to do that. I'm going to keep my mouth shut so

01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:10.079
I can have some more. Yeah. We never talk about

01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:15.220
our play partners, but I talk about myself to

01:27:15.220 --> 01:27:18.979
my friends. I'll tell stories, but we're very

01:27:18.979 --> 01:27:22.479
discreet in that stuff. I just like to talk about

01:27:22.479 --> 01:27:26.020
it. I love the lifestyle. I love being in it

01:27:26.020 --> 01:27:29.239
and with it. And it's like talking about it.

01:27:29.260 --> 01:27:32.180
That's why these podcasts are so fun too. So.

01:27:32.619 --> 01:27:34.800
Yeah, I'm just free. I'm just free with my shit.

01:27:35.359 --> 01:27:37.979
I'm free with it. You know, I'm like you all

01:27:37.979 --> 01:27:40.760
know, I'm not bringing in my, my partners, you

01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:44.060
know, my play partners. No, it is about their

01:27:44.060 --> 01:27:46.819
discretion. But if you're asking me, you know,

01:27:46.840 --> 01:27:49.699
how things are in the lifestyle, what's a typical,

01:27:49.859 --> 01:27:52.220
like, you know, if you meet somebody, how does

01:27:52.220 --> 01:27:55.420
that go? Then I'm going to tell you, I'm going

01:27:55.420 --> 01:27:58.470
to tell you. And then most of the time, they're

01:27:58.470 --> 01:28:00.510
like, okay, I didn't know that it was like that.

01:28:00.970 --> 01:28:02.529
You know what I mean? They just think you just

01:28:02.529 --> 01:28:05.369
meet somebody, pull your dick out, go fuck, this,

01:28:05.550 --> 01:28:08.069
that, da, da, da. No, they don't realize that,

01:28:08.109 --> 01:28:11.210
okay, the bull, I'm a bull who gets tested every

01:28:11.210 --> 01:28:15.369
30 days. You know, I'm a bull that when you meet

01:28:15.369 --> 01:28:18.550
me, I impeccable, you know, hygiene, impeccable

01:28:18.550 --> 01:28:21.689
manners. If I tell you I'm going to be at your

01:28:21.689 --> 01:28:26.300
house at 3 o 'clock, at 5 till 3. The car is

01:28:26.300 --> 01:28:28.500
pulling in the driveway, okay? There's a certain

01:28:28.500 --> 01:28:31.939
sequence of events that I go through. They don't

01:28:31.939 --> 01:28:35.079
realize that. They don't realize that. They don't

01:28:35.079 --> 01:28:38.920
realize that couples sit down and talk amongst

01:28:38.920 --> 01:28:41.920
themselves openly and honestly. No, they're not

01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:44.140
trying to hurt the other one, okay? They're being

01:28:44.140 --> 01:28:47.899
honest. This is what I wish that we could do

01:28:47.899 --> 01:28:50.159
together, or this is what I fantasize about,

01:28:50.380 --> 01:28:54.069
you know, et cetera, et cetera. So there's so

01:28:54.069 --> 01:28:57.489
much, there's so much more than just all of the

01:28:57.489 --> 01:29:00.970
negative bullshit that's put on television and,

01:29:00.989 --> 01:29:05.630
you know, so much more, so much more. Well, I

01:29:05.630 --> 01:29:08.449
just want one. Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry. I thought

01:29:08.449 --> 01:29:10.810
you were finished. No, no, no, no, no. I'm done.

01:29:10.930 --> 01:29:12.949
Go ahead. Go ahead. Well, I was going to say,

01:29:12.970 --> 01:29:15.770
I want to get, I want to bring, you know, Mr.

01:29:15.829 --> 01:29:18.020
Mocha back on here. We need to do a number. a

01:29:18.020 --> 01:29:21.819
part two because I think we only got to age 27.

01:29:23.319 --> 01:29:29.260
We even got to Mrs. Mocha. You know, all of his

01:29:29.260 --> 01:29:35.520
escapades in the city he lives in. So I think

01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:39.939
we should do a part two for sure. Definitely.

01:29:40.159 --> 01:29:42.579
Definitely has to be a part two. You just say

01:29:42.579 --> 01:29:45.859
when. It ain't like the three of us don't talk

01:29:45.859 --> 01:29:51.739
all the time. Right, every day. I know, right?

01:29:51.859 --> 01:29:55.920
I know, I know. Definitely has been, this has

01:29:55.920 --> 01:30:00.479
been real. I've enjoyed it so much. And there's

01:30:00.479 --> 01:30:04.340
thunder going on in the background. And here

01:30:04.340 --> 01:30:09.479
again, man, I don't know, I don't know what to

01:30:09.479 --> 01:30:13.449
say, but you guys have... bought me out of a

01:30:13.449 --> 01:30:15.890
shell. He really has. He bought me out of a shell

01:30:15.890 --> 01:30:18.789
and it's just, it's getting better and better.

01:30:19.350 --> 01:30:21.630
I mean, it really is getting better and better

01:30:21.630 --> 01:30:24.869
because I have been the president and CEO of

01:30:24.869 --> 01:30:28.829
MeFi Me Incorporated for so damn long. And, you

01:30:28.829 --> 01:30:32.890
know, it just feels good, man, to have some true,

01:30:32.989 --> 01:30:36.229
some true friends and some true friends who I

01:30:36.229 --> 01:30:41.119
call family. I love y 'all. I do. Love y 'all

01:30:41.119 --> 01:30:45.039
to death. Love y 'all to death. Love y 'all to

01:30:45.039 --> 01:30:49.340
death. To the people out there listening, this

01:30:49.340 --> 01:30:52.859
is just the beginning. This is just the beginning.

01:30:53.039 --> 01:30:57.020
Just the beginning of this beautiful journey

01:30:57.020 --> 01:31:01.300
of all the family. We're going to bring this

01:31:01.300 --> 01:31:07.520
shit raw, unfiltered, uncensored, teaching, mentoring,

01:31:08.199 --> 01:31:14.260
and Getting everybody used to what this life

01:31:14.260 --> 01:31:16.920
is all about. Well, Mr. Mocha, you want to...

01:31:16.920 --> 01:31:19.979
Hey, I appreciate you having me on. Hey, man.

01:31:20.239 --> 01:31:22.220
Like I said, just the start of many, brother.

01:31:22.939 --> 01:31:26.279
Just the start of many. Mr. Mocha, let them know

01:31:26.279 --> 01:31:29.500
where they can find you at, bro. So you can find

01:31:29.500 --> 01:31:34.039
me and my wife on the O -Faces, O -F -A -C -E

01:31:34.039 --> 01:31:37.800
-Z podcast, and you can find us wherever you

01:31:37.800 --> 01:31:43.220
get your podcasts. My wife is the star of the

01:31:43.220 --> 01:31:47.979
show with her antics. And on the podcast, on

01:31:47.979 --> 01:31:51.500
Old Faces, you'll hear all of these people on

01:31:51.500 --> 01:31:53.920
that because they're family. So we talk to them

01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:57.239
all the time. We get on there. And, I mean, honestly,

01:31:57.399 --> 01:32:02.060
I think that we've always said. 90 % of the conversations

01:32:02.060 --> 01:32:04.699
that we have off air, we get through them like,

01:32:04.739 --> 01:32:07.779
man, we should have recorded that. So we're going

01:32:07.779 --> 01:32:13.619
to start getting together and recording our random

01:32:13.619 --> 01:32:18.380
thoughts. That's a new segment that I'm going

01:32:18.380 --> 01:32:20.659
to create where it's literally just random thoughts

01:32:20.659 --> 01:32:25.000
that we get on and we just throw things out there

01:32:25.000 --> 01:32:28.100
because you guys will see, especially as your

01:32:28.100 --> 01:32:31.000
platform begins to develop. you get a lot of

01:32:31.000 --> 01:32:33.300
people who just throw random things at you, random

01:32:33.300 --> 01:32:35.199
questions, random thoughts, and then you're like,

01:32:35.300 --> 01:32:38.899
wow, who can I call and throw this at? You know,

01:32:38.939 --> 01:32:41.500
a lot of times, you know, I'll call and, you

01:32:41.500 --> 01:32:47.239
know, throw stuff at the Sigma male or Socrates

01:32:47.239 --> 01:32:51.600
or Mike, you know, so next time I get something,

01:32:51.680 --> 01:32:54.739
next time somebody throws something at me, I'll...

01:32:55.079 --> 01:32:57.119
You can check out the Old Faces podcast while

01:32:57.119 --> 01:33:03.859
I hot potato it to one of the films. True, true,

01:33:04.000 --> 01:33:09.720
true. True. Oh, man. Suck it to you, Simon. Y

01:33:09.720 --> 01:33:12.600
'all got anything to say before we close this

01:33:12.600 --> 01:33:14.720
one out, I guess? My lovely wife, you want to

01:33:14.720 --> 01:33:17.819
go first? I just feel privileged to just be a

01:33:17.819 --> 01:33:20.060
little bit of feminine energy in this space.

01:33:21.079 --> 01:33:23.880
I've enjoyed you fellas. And I always enjoy the

01:33:23.880 --> 01:33:26.920
podcast. I said, I may go in a little, a little

01:33:26.920 --> 01:33:30.100
tired after a long day, but I always just feel

01:33:30.100 --> 01:33:32.760
like my spirit is renewed and refreshed after,

01:33:32.779 --> 01:33:35.920
after sitting and talking to you guys and listening.

01:33:36.100 --> 01:33:41.439
I love it. Thank you guys. Thank you, sir. Yeah.

01:33:42.979 --> 01:33:48.409
So really quick, let me make this quick. I consider

01:33:48.409 --> 01:33:50.729
Mr. Mocha one of my best friends. Like, this

01:33:50.729 --> 01:33:53.770
guy, you know, I'll take a bullet for this man.

01:33:53.890 --> 01:33:58.529
Like, this brother showed me what being a part

01:33:58.529 --> 01:34:02.949
of a brotherhood really means. And I have to

01:34:02.949 --> 01:34:04.029
thank him. I love you back, man. I appreciate

01:34:04.029 --> 01:34:08.510
that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I have to thank my

01:34:08.510 --> 01:34:12.029
wife. Because if it wasn't for her insisting

01:34:12.029 --> 01:34:17.460
on... on black dick and i and i there's two things

01:34:17.460 --> 01:34:22.720
she made me do first she made me um look up you

01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:27.340
know conventions or you know uh hotel takeovers

01:34:27.340 --> 01:34:29.180
that have some brothers that and i was like okay

01:34:29.180 --> 01:34:31.699
there's two i know about we ended up at splash

01:34:31.699 --> 01:34:36.029
mocha then secondly she saw um you know dark

01:34:36.029 --> 01:34:40.729
gable over here the man of steel and she's like

01:34:40.729 --> 01:34:43.810
well i'm gonna get this i want to get you gotta

01:34:43.810 --> 01:34:45.810
start you gotta start you gotta start making

01:34:45.810 --> 01:34:47.750
people think this they're gonna see me like what

01:34:47.750 --> 01:34:53.869
the fuck is wrong these guys and um she said

01:34:53.869 --> 01:34:57.210
she said talk to him for me daddy and i you know

01:34:57.210 --> 01:35:01.010
i wrote up to him and then you know i found a

01:35:01.010 --> 01:35:05.020
friend you know i found somebody that elevates

01:35:05.020 --> 01:35:08.500
me and challenges me and, you know, holds me

01:35:08.500 --> 01:35:10.640
accountable, but at the same time loves the shit

01:35:10.640 --> 01:35:13.720
out of me. So I just want to say, you know, you

01:35:13.720 --> 01:35:17.119
guys check his podcast out and you learn so much.

01:35:17.140 --> 01:35:19.500
I listened to it before I met him. I didn't even

01:35:19.500 --> 01:35:23.159
realize that was him. And then, you know, I'm

01:35:23.159 --> 01:35:25.600
just so excited about what all of us have in

01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:29.760
store for the future. I appreciate it. Absolutely.

01:35:30.159 --> 01:35:32.800
A wealth of knowledge, ladies and gentlemen.

01:35:33.210 --> 01:35:38.029
he has a wealth of knowledge all right um my

01:35:38.029 --> 01:35:41.329
brother from another mother uh he's a gentleman

01:35:41.329 --> 01:35:45.630
he's a family man um and i don't know what to

01:35:45.630 --> 01:35:49.670
say about this that's my dog that's all it is

01:35:49.670 --> 01:35:54.310
to it he is my dog he really is and uh again

01:35:54.310 --> 01:35:57.390
love you love you like love you man i'm bad just

01:35:57.390 --> 01:36:01.229
that's it just like you know you're in you're

01:36:01.229 --> 01:36:04.800
in socrates um You guys don't know what you mean

01:36:04.800 --> 01:36:08.560
to me. You really don't. Yeah, we do. We mean

01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:11.659
the same thing to each other. We know. We know.

01:36:12.399 --> 01:36:16.399
All right. All right. As much time we spend talking

01:36:16.399 --> 01:36:20.020
to each other, we know. Yeah. Yeah, we do. We

01:36:20.020 --> 01:36:23.720
do. We damn sure do. We damn sure do. And like

01:36:23.720 --> 01:36:25.699
I said, it's just getting better, man. Just getting

01:36:25.699 --> 01:36:30.199
better. You know? And I guess on that note, if

01:36:30.199 --> 01:36:33.539
everybody said what they have said, We'll go

01:36:33.539 --> 01:36:36.819
ahead and close it out. As usual, ladies and

01:36:36.819 --> 01:36:40.439
gentlemen, thank you. Thank you so much for being

01:36:40.439 --> 01:36:44.460
a part of another exciting and wonderful and

01:36:44.460 --> 01:36:48.800
informative podcast, The Bull Brotherhood. And

01:36:48.800 --> 01:36:53.260
a special shout out to our special guest, Mr.

01:36:53.340 --> 01:36:58.600
Mocha. I'm the Sigma Male, B. Morgan. And for

01:36:58.600 --> 01:37:02.260
Socrates and Siren. We just give a shout out

01:37:02.260 --> 01:37:05.699
to all the brothers out there, all of our bulls,

01:37:05.699 --> 01:37:09.220
saying good night. And, of course, to all of

01:37:09.220 --> 01:37:14.960
my hard wives, good morning. Auf Wiedersehen.

01:37:15.520 --> 01:37:17.640
Bye -bye. Good night.