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mastery welcome to the brotherhood welcome to
the bull brotherhood podcast where we talk power
pleasure and the art of dominance in ethical
non -monogamy this is not your average lifestyle
podcast this is for men who lead men who master,
and men who leave a lasting impression. If you're
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elevate. So to all the bulls, hot wives, stags,
and open -minded explorers, we see you. Let's
go. Good evening and welcome to another informative
episode of the Bull Brotherhood podcast. I'm
the Sigma male himself, Mr. Brian Morgan. One
third of this lovely podcast along with my beautiful,
beautiful partner and his wife, the lovely Siren.
Say hello. Hello. And, of course, my nephew and
partner in crime, my perpetual student, as he
is called, Socrates. What's good? What's good,
y 'all? All right, all right. Ladies and gentlemen,
we have a very, very special guest tonight. And
I do mean when I say very special. I can't tell
you just how much this brother means to me. All
right? Yeah, we just recently met, to tell you
the truth. I mean, I knew who he was from previous
Splash Mokas, but he and I are really, as he
would say, we are each other's doppelganger.
We really are. You know him from his very, very
informative podcast known as the Old Faces Podcast,
along with his lovely, lovely wife, Mrs. Moka.
But I call him Dark Gable because that's what
he is, all right? About 220 pounds full of damn
just chocolate, you know what I mean? The women
love him, all right? Muscle on muscle on muscle.
Exactly. He's the women's pet, the men's regret,
all right? Man of steel with sex appeal. That's
all there is to it. Ladies and gentlemen, I introduce
to you Mr. Mocha. What's going on, Dan, everybody?
Hey, I keep telling you, you keep overselling
me, people are going to get mad at you. Hey,
man. You keep overselling the product, man. Come
on. Hey, man. Hey, man. I just call it like I
see it, baby. That's all it is to it. What's
good with my brother from another mother? You
all right? Hey, I appreciate you guys having
me on. I'm excited. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely,
man. This is just the first of, you know, the
brothers, the true brothers from the brotherhood.
You know, we take it off with you. Of course,
you know, we're going to hit down south in Florida
to Mr. Velvet himself and then take it on back
up north, you know, of course, where Michael's
safe. But here again, man, it is a pleasure to
have you up here tonight. And we... we're just
gonna kick it i mean we're gonna kick it and
then ask you some questions um after after you
you know give us a a description of of like how
you got into this life you know where you're
from you know just et cetera et cetera now actually
come and kick it off oh man you putting that
you putting it all on me i'm just saying man
just just let the people know you know where
you're from you know what i'm saying how long
you been in this life you know what this life
means to you etc etc but all right so i'm originally
originally from upstate new york um i've been
the lifestyle since i was 23 i am i'll be 47
in a few weeks um man look at me i mean what's
got me into lifestyle i mean My introduction
to the lifestyle was actually a co -worker. I
mean, obviously, I had been promiscuous, but
what got me into the lifestyle was a co -worker.
Somebody I had worked with for a while. Really
good friends. His wife, you know, back then,
I think she was probably in her early 40s. fucking
gorgeous woman you know everybody that you know
that was a wife that everybody looked at but
you you didn't want to be disrespectful to your
buddy you know we'd go out and things like that
and um one night we were all out drinking and
he just just dropped it on me you know and i
was you know i have i want i've been more than
the fucker anyway so you know it's the opportunity
And I did it, and I was obviously, you know,
nervous, but I did it, and then they put me into
their circle. And it just so happened that the
circle of people that they introduced me to was
more of a hot wife circle. that the circle they
introduced me to and it was a very I mean they
were they were obviously you know now now I can
I say this but to me at that time they were all
older people but they were all my age now so
I guess I qualify as the older people but they
were all you know they were all older they were
all you know affluent they you know there was
just it was just a cool happy drama free environment
look as drama free as through my eyes at that
time i didn't have the experience to recognize
drama and it just seemed like a fun awesome group
and that yeah that was kind of that was my introduction
to it that the hot wife experience where you
had a lot of you know husbands who were super
cool and like oh yeah Fuck my life. I'm like,
okay, I will. You know, that was my introduction
to the lifestyle. It's amazing how. Go ahead.
Go ahead. Yeah. Mr. Mocha. So I want to get a
little deeper into that. So you, what was your
thoughts the next day or the few days after that?
Like what was going through your head? Like,
Oh, this is the shit right here. Like. I'm about
to jump in. Or were you, like, trying to process,
like, what the fuck just happened? Like, what
were you thinking? Oh, so actually, I was just,
I was on cloud nine. Good answer, brother. Anything
less would have been. Yeah, I was. I was on cloud
nine. In fact, my buddy had to tell me to calm
down because, you know, we went out like a week
later, we went out and, you know, me, him and
his wife. And I'm thinking like, I didn't know.
I didn't know. I speak today with information,
but at that time I didn't know there was a such
thing as hot wiping. All I knew is they said
they were swingers. He didn't specify hot wiping.
And I thought that it just meant that, oh, you
guys can fuck whoever you want, and now I can
look at hot women, you know, in front of you
and your wife and point out, you know, hot women.
So we're out. I think it was lunch. I think,
yeah, we were out for lunch because we worked
together, and she would always because the gym
was right across the street from where we worked
at. And he was like, hey, let's go to lunch.
So we, three of us went to lunch. And this really
attractive woman walked by and I was like, hey,
look at that. And then we went back to work.
He was like, bro, you can't do that. He was like,
that's outside the rules. I'm like, oh, what?
You're not allowed to look at? He was like, well,
he was like, that's complicated. But, you know,
she's the only one who we focus our attention
on. And I'm like, cool. You know, I don't know
the rules. You got to educate me. So, you know,
he explained their rules to me after that. But,
yeah, I was excited. And I didn't want to assume
that it was going to happen again. But, you know,
not only did it happen again, but they introduced
me to friends. So it was great. When they asked
you to go to lunch, though, that was the green
light. That was the green light for you. You
may not have realized it, but. They had already
gone back to the house, and hell, they had already
discussed you anyway. They had discussed you
for a long time before he finally approached
you. It's amazing how our stories are kind of
similar. You know, me meeting Sylvia Garrett
like I did, and, you know, she introducing me
to her, you know, friends. and they were all
like just like yours you know affluent and then
you know making money etc etc i didn't know what
the hell was going on all i know is i'm meeting
you know folks that damn i've seen this person
before you know they're on the they're on the
news channel and all that stuff but they i mean
they had already they had already given you the
green light mocha They'd already given you green
light. But you were just like me. You were 23.
I was 26. All I know was that I had this beautiful
damn woman. And, you know, I'm giving permission
to them, you know, to fuck. And the terminology,
hot wiping and all that stuff like that, it was
the same, I guess, the same here as it was overseas.
You know, we didn't have the term then, you know.
We didn't have to turn. All I knew was damn swinging.
That was it. But I knew that this wasn't swinging
because the husband didn't, you know, had no
desire to, you know, to have sex with anybody.
He was just happy that, you know, I had the wife.
So that's amazing. But when did you realize or
did it become? Was she just, like, a plaything
to you, or did you guys really develop, you know,
a great, like, relationship, or what? I mean,
how far did it go before Mocha said, okay, I'm
a bull now? You know what I'm saying? When you
realized you were, like... The bull concept came
far, far down the road. Okay. As far as then,
the thing was, they were my friends before we
did it. And because of the people we worked around,
you know, he took a big risk even approaching
me with it because we worked around some loudmouth
savages that would, had they found out, you know,
they would have roasted them. So he took a big
risk, and it was our friendship. So, you know,
they were, it was kind of, it was, they did it
the way I like. He was, they were always really
cool. They were never thirsty. The friendship
remained the friendship because he made it very
clear, here's the deal. We are only this way.
Even if we're out in public, we still follow.
old rules only time we do anything extra is when
we're behind closed doors so if somebody walks
past our table they should never know even the
night that i played with them the first time
and we left the bar together that was a whole
bunch of people from work and the way he got
us out of there the way the way we left they
no one ever knew so you know he started to really
develop the protocol You know, so that's why
even now if I'm out with a couple, you know,
I am very, I'm very much a gentleman in public.
In public, unless you give me the green light
to be anything more than just, you know, your
husband's friend, I don't do anything else. So
that relationship was just really cool. I mean,
that was a great, great relationship. They connect
me with a lot of good people. And, you know,
we were good. We were close until they moved
out of state. You know, so that was and even
we still will occasionally reach out to each
other on Facebook. Outstanding. Outstanding.
You made an impression. You made an impression.
You made the impression on that one. The impression
was all hers. I heard that. I heard that. She
sounded like she was gorgeous and shit the way
you damn talking. She sounded like she was drop
dead beautiful. Oh, man. Man. Wow. Socrates Siren,
are you there? Yes, sir. I think he's taking
a little nap over there. I know, right? I know
y 'all want to jump in. What if my mouth was
busy? You don't know. We do. Carry on. While
I'm listening, you never know. No. Exactly. Exactly.
Why would I interrupt that? Ain't nothing wrong
with that, by all means. I like to keep the mystery
alive. By all means. You know I got a thousand
questions. I know you do. Go ahead. So, the introduction
part. Do you did they ever relate to you what
they were saying to their friends? That's because
that's always the most interesting thing is like
when you're referring me, what are you saying?
You know, and that's always intrigued me. So
do you know what were they saying about Mr. Mocha
to be like, yeah, he's a good time. I think you
should, you know, check that out. Well, so so
actually the next time. A few weeks after the
first time we played, they said, hey, we want
you to come to this party with us. So that was
my first lifestyle house party. And they didn't
say what it was. And I didn't, I was hoping it
was what it was. But, you know, I'm just, this
is something that ladies may not understand,
but every dude knows this feeling where you're
like. I hope this thing, I hope it's going to
happen. I hope my dick's going to wind up in
the mouth, but I'm not going to get super excited
because as soon as I say, as soon as I act like
I'm happy about it, I'm going to fuck it up.
So I just got there, walking to the house, huge
house, mansion, beautiful house. And I'm in this
house and I'm like, the lady's a real skimpy
dress, but you know, I'm not going to assume
everybody's being extra friendly. I'm not going
to assume we go down to the basement. and to
the bar, and there's naked, there's topless women,
and I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah, this is what it
is. And my heart was pounding out of my chest,
and I was trying to act like I was cool. Like,
yeah, that ain't nothing. I'm good. I mean, I
do this. This is just a Tuesday to me. But I
was terrified. And that was them introducing
me to their. their friend group. Now, obviously,
you know, now knowing what I know now, that means
that they would have already had a conversation.
They would have already shown pictures of me.
They would have already, you know, had a conversation,
told him, Hey, I'm bringing a single black dude
to a party. He's a good guy. And then the, the
reception I got once I got there, you know, Oh,
this is him type thing. Like, Oh, okay. So. Going
back and looking at it, I understand a lot of
things that were happening. But at the time,
there was no understanding of this. All I knew
is these are my friends. They wanted me to come
to a party with them. They trusted me. I went
there. Me and my 23 -year -old dick, we laid
down the law. And then after that, you know.
Is that the name of your penis? I got pulled
off. That's the name of your penis. No, I refer
to my penis. My penis. No, no. His name is The
Precious. The Precious. That's his name. The
Precious. The Precious. Next time I talk to your
wife, next time I talk to your wife, I'm going
to tell her. I'm going to mention that and be
like, how's The Precious? What's funny is a friend
of mine named, okay. I'm going on topic. So one
of my boys I always party with, he's the one,
and he was like picking on me, and he was like,
man, what are you doing to these chicks? From
now on, you need to call your dick the precious.
And so he started cracking jokes, but I'd never
seen the movie, so I had no idea what the fuck
he was talking about. I thought he was talking
about the movie Precious with the big girl. So
I'm like, he was like. You've never seen Lord
of the Rings? Or something like that. So that's
not why I'd have seen that movie for the first
time. Just to see what the fuck The Precious
was. And I laughed. I laughed for so long because...
So unfortunately, you know, me and my young,
uncouth mind, I was having... He knew like two,
three of the women at the time that I was having
sex with. And he was like, dude, they're going
crazy. What are you doing? And so that's how
we became the Precious. That was the joke behind
that. At least there's a good story. Not old.
It was no longer the Precious. Now I refer to
it as the little fella. Yes. Socrates calls his
micropenis. There you go. That way, you know,
anything above that is a pleasant surprise. Hey,
I want them to look at my mind, too. I have interesting
things to say. I'm just with you for the money.
I'm okay with that. Question for you, my brother.
What was the evolution of Mr. Mocha? from age
23 to now. How have you, I already know, I can
already picture a stud, a height at age 23. I
can already picture that. You know what I mean?
But what was, what has been the evolution? How
have you changed over the years? And what has
made you become that quality bull that... we
wish everybody would be, that we wish all the
brothers would be. Yeah, I wouldn't do it. That's
a decade's worth of good, bad, ugly, and growth.
Man, from 23, you know, it was a lot happened
from the first time that I stepped into the lifestyle
because when you first get into it you're stumbling
you're you're kind of stumbling through the dark
you you you learn you usually learn what the
people who brought you into it teach you so fortunately
my introduction was a very positive environment
um which is probably why i why I stayed in the
lifestyle and I was so intrigued because it was
positive. But, man, there was a lot of bumps
along the way trying to figure out, you know,
how are you supposed to talk to somebody's wife?
You know, how do you, the understanding that,
dude, it's so much. I can't even, I don't even
know where to start. Goodness gracious. Fucking,
it's like going from a tadpole to a... You know
to a frog give me this is huge so many changes,
you know as you move through it the not knowing
to starting to learn to Knowing how to deal with
couples knowing how to deal with wives knowing
how to deal with husband learning that You have
to if you want to be successful you have to have
the ability to pay attention listening is a skill
and Not just hearing words, but listening to
what's being said underneath. Say that again.
Say that again for the viewers, because you just
knocked that shit out of the park. Say that again
just in case our listeners didn't hear it. You
know what I mean? Because that was a home run
right there. Listening is such a skill. People
say things, but they're hidden messages that
are embedded in what they say. You're looking
at the facial expressions, how they behave. Whenever
I deal with couples, I now put together like
almost a grid. And, you know, in Socrates' language,
my grid, the person they are when I'm online,
the person they are when we're in public. The
people they are when I speak to them individually.
The face they show me when they're together.
The energy that I see when I first start making
physical contact. You know, how is she behaving?
How is he behaving during sex? And what kind
of energy I have after sex? And then after they
processed it, what kind of energy do I have?
on the phone when we communicate later. All those
things, it helps me paint a picture of them as
individuals, them as a couple, how secure they
are, how far along in their lifestyle journey
they are, how much are they on the same page
or not on the same page. All of these things
are skills that I've had to learn because not
learning these things have created issues where
you have problem with the husband's problem with
the wife, them having problems together. The
thing that I hate the most is being the guy,
the person who's on the outside of the relationship.
The experiences that I've had where... The husband
lies or the wife lies, and then they realize
that they're lying, but then they don't want
to blame each other, so then it's my fault. How
do I keep that from happening? There's so much
stuff when you're saying going from starting
off to being a quality bull. When I tell people
that I've learned a lot of hard lessons, I think
people... I gloss over it, so they gloss over
it. But I've learned a lot of hard lessons because
my nature is one extreme to the other. So when
I get it, when I got into the lifestyle, like
I was full steam ahead. The lifestyle was my
recreation. Fuck vacation. That was my vacation.
That was, I mean, that was my fun on the weekends,
throughout the weekdays. All that I wanted to
do was fuck. I didn't give a shit about nothing
else. You know, if it was work, family, or fucking.
That was it. So, like, I really dove into the
lifestyle, you know, head first into the ocean.
And so. No, dick first into the ocean. I coughed
up a lot of seawater in the process. I got a
question, Mr. Mocha. You, when you look at people
who, like, I love the fact that. You know that
he talks about the evolution of people. That's
his focus. And I understand why. So when you
look at the evolution of people, they. Every
time they come to a challenge or a success, there's
a process in their brain that makes them end
up in a better position later. So what I want
to know is when you ran into that again. OK,
yeah. So. What I've noticed about people who
evolve to the level that Brian Morgan's talking
about is that every time they come up to a challenge,
like you talked about the couple that lied, the
wife is lying, and the husband's lying, they
find out they're both lying, so then they blame
you. Let's say that challenge. Or, you know,
jealousy or any other issues that you come across
in the lifestyle. What I notice is that people
that evolve have a certain mindset. at at that
challenge they think of those challenges in a
different way than those that don't evolve so
i want to know what your thought process is when
you have a challenge are you looking at it like
okay this is a challenge how do i overcome this
has it ever you know get you to the point where
you're like man i want to be out of this or makes
you want to give up or what do you do what goes
on in the mind of mr mocha when he's challenged
to get better at something I think when it came
to lifestyle stuff and situations in the lifestyle,
my mindset is I want to understand. It's a relationship.
The only difference is the type of relationship.
And as a person, I want whatever I'm trying to
give off is what I want to give off. So if I
don't have bad intentions, I don't want you to
take it that way. So if, if I'm going into situations
in the beginning where things didn't go right,
I would just kind of figure out what, what did
I do wrong? Because oftentimes, And, you know,
for many years, I would get pissed off, and I
wouldn't say anything because that's, it is what
it is. I would just cut people off who I felt
were being stupid, you know. But later on, I
started saying, okay, how can I set myself up
for success? We've talked about many times the
way I am when it comes to websites and things
like that. I will miss out on a lot of couples
because there's certain behaviors that I won't
tolerate. And I won't tolerate those behaviors
simply because 8 out of 10 times that behavior
leaves down this road. Now, of course, there's
going to be 2 out of 10 times where it doesn't,
but... It's not worth it. It's not worth it.
When I talk about behaviors and how people respond,
I'm talking about how the people I've interacted
respond to certain types of things. So I know
I love being in a lifestyle, and I also enjoyed
with lifestyle couples, I wanted to make long
-term friendships. Even when you first started
in the lifestyle, you were thinking that way?
Like, long -term friendships with these people?
Well, no, no. No, let me phrase that. I wanted
to have consistent fuck partners. I get it. All
right. The truth comes out. To me, in the lifestyle,
friendship. Friendships are always, friendships
are not necessary. But I have found that I've
gotten my best friendships through the lifestyle.
Through the lifestyle, yeah. I consider you my
best friend. I met you at a convention. Yep.
Yeah, exactly. You know, so, but when I'm talking
about what, you know, when we're talking about
people who I'm playing with, so. We could fuck
and just fuck. And whatever our arrangement is,
I wanted that to be clear. If you say, hey, I
just want you to fuck my wife and don't talk
to her, cool. If you say, all right, I want you
to fuck my wife and treat her like a boyfriend,
like you're her boyfriend, cool. So I was always
trying to figure out, okay, what do we want?
But early on, I didn't get that from both the
husband and the wife, and I didn't know how to
kind of create this triangle where I was communicating
with him, communicating with her, communicating
with them. You know, I'd run into trouble because
I would just take one person's word. You know,
I remember a husband like, oh, yeah, you know,
she just wants you to pound her. And I'm like,
I'm not really a pounder. Oh, no, she loves that.
So I go in and I start pounding, and she's like,
okay, you're hurting me. And I stop, and he's
like, no, no, keep going. And I'm like, whoa,
whoa, no. And so what would happen early on when
stuff like that would happen, I was conflicted.
So what would wind up happening is my dick would
start getting soft. So now you both lose because.
She don't want this. You are, you want this.
And now because you two are in conflict, I can't
focus on the job at hand. So I got to limp it.
So my goal is always. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go
ahead. What age? I was going to ask, I was going
to ask Mocha, what age were you? when you started
to like like see these things like see that okay
the husband wants one thing i'm doing what he
wants but i can see that it's you know the wife
is not comfortable with this you know what age
were you then were you still 23 then or had you
was this a couple of years so i that I stuck
pretty tight in that particular circle because
I was a big circle of people. And at the time,
I was a massage therapist. So what they would
always do is give each other gift certificates,
massage gift certificates for me to come in.
It was a whole thing, which was like an inside
joke. Hey, that's some shit. You're a massage
therapist and me with personal training. That
boy, I swear to God, we are like, God damn. I
mean, that's what I did. You know, massage therapy,
personal training, and nutrition. Those are my
three. So that would be, that was the thing.
So I was in that group. I mean, that was a group
of probably, I don't know, 15, 16 wives. Damn
right. So that, you know, going through that.
So I probably worked in that circle for about
two years within the lifestyle. So in that circle,
it was, I really didn't get that because I was
kind of the, they were careful what they would
say around me. for the simple fact that they
all knew that I was playing with their friends
and things like that. So that was like happy
land for me before I ventured out. So it was
probably a couple years later when I started
playing outside of that circle and started realizing
that everybody wasn't like them. And like, okay,
well, everybody's not like these guys. And that's
when I started having issues because I just kind
of went into it like, okay, whatever you guys
say is what you mean. Because a lot of times
couples will put this united front on like, oh,
yeah, yeah, we're good. No, you're not good.
But, you know, that's what we find out. You know,
you start finding out later on down the road.
So that was how, I mean, I stuck with the hot
wifing and I didn't even get into the cuckolding
until. oh my goodness cuckolding was it was probably
i don't know maybe like 27 later on it was i
was it was swinging for a good amount of time
and hot wifing And my first real, like, obviously,
like, now looking back, I realize that I was
dealing with some cuckold couples, but it wasn't
presented like that. The first cuckold experience
I had was just kind of surprised me. Like, boom.
You know, she starts talking shit to her husband
while I'm fucking her, and I'm thinking he's
about to double pump drop kick this chick in
the face. I'm like, she's talking dirty. I'm
like, God damn. You know, like, I'm like, should
I get out of the way? And then, you know, he's,
oh, I'm so sorry, honey. And he sits down and,
you know, he's talking about, oh, this is a game.
And then I'm like, wait, does she think she's
going to talk to me like this? Let me go ahead
and rearrange her guts. We know that that won't
be allowed here. So, yeah, there's just so many
stages to it. It's like trying to describe an
encyclopedia. It's so much. But I think we drilled
it down. I like the fact that you start off with,
where am I going wrong? And even though sometimes
you're not doing anything wrong, is that accountability?
where Brian Morgan kicks in and he's talking
about quality bulls. You know, you can debate
on what that means, but I think there's some
generalities that we can all agree on. And accountability
first is one of them to me. Like, I don't think
you get to evolve without that. You know what
I'm saying? Absolutely. As I said one time before,
every encounter that you have, you learn something.
And again, that's a part of the evolution. And
you are supposed to, to our younger boys out
there that might be listening or listening in
the future, you are supposed to have fuck -ups.
That is how you learn. That's how you learn.
You're supposed to have fuck -ups. If you were
damn just perfect at 23 and 26 years old, then
it would get boring very, very quickly, in my
opinion. But because you do, like Mocha said,
you learn. I mean, he learned. He evolved with
every encounter that he had, sounds like. And
then he was able to finally put together that
equation that worked for him. And he did do that
over time. That made him what he is now. I'm
still learning. I'm still learning. Exactly.
Exactly. As am I. I'm still learning. You know,
man. I'm still learning. As a dude, my biggest
nemesis is my dick. You know, my dick is my my
dick is my biggest adversary. You know, when
you start realizing like, hey, this This situation
is not a good idea. You know, I know that based
upon the behavior of this woman, this wife, this
husband, this couple, I need to stop fucking
her, but damn, she's finding the pussy so good.
I'm going to try one more time. You know, your
dick is always, you know, your dick is always
like the devil on both shoulders. That's what
daddy said, boy. That little head will ruin you.
That little head will get you sometime, man.
You cannot think. As he would say, boy, you ain't
got good sense when that little head is talking
like that. You ain't got good sense. And he's
right. He is absolutely right. That's absolutely
correct. Absolutely correct. Been there, done
that. Still, like I said, my old ass, I'm still
having, you know what I mean? Even though I've
calmed down a whole lot, but I'm still, still
struggling with that shit sometimes. Yeah. You
know, just making, making the good decision.
And, you know, to go back to what I was saying,
to me, I think that it comes down to your personal
nature. I'm one of those people that no matter
what goes wrong, the first person I look at is
me. What could I have done better? Because, don't
get me wrong, I'm definitely going to blame those
motherfuckers at some point. But somebody can
be wrong, but I can also try to figure out how
to avoid getting myself into a situation again.
So for me, I'm always trying to figure out how
to avoid a particular type of situation. Now,
when it comes to education, I pay very close
attention to behaviors. How do people act? It
took years, and this is embarrassing to say,
it took years in the lifestyle for me to accept
and understand that, you know, when I was a single
guy in the lifestyle that I had the same rights
that couples had, that I didn't have to answer
for the behavior of other single guys because
I didn't ask couples to answer for the behavior
of other couples. Your wife is not my fucking
queen, and I don't have to treat her like that.
I can treat her with the same respect that she
treats me with, and she doesn't get more respect
than I get, and you don't get more respect than
I get. Anything that is asked of me, I have the
right to expect from you when it comes to respect.
That was the thing that took me a long time to
come around to. lifestyle because, you know,
once I stepped out of that circle and started
trying to go to clubs and other parties, I went
from going to parties where everyone knew who
I was to trying to get introduced to new groups
and new parties. And they treat, you know, everybody
treats single guys like they had the plague,
but everybody's still trying to suck your dick
when nobody's looking, you know? So it was kind
of like, you know, you're huge. Everybody acts
like they hate single guys. I don't. Well, you
don't. Well, you don't. I never understand that.
Well, I mean, the expectation that people put
on single guys and, you know, my wife is my queen.
My wife ain't nobody else's queen. You know what
I'm saying? I respect any guy who comes and plays
with my wife, but once again, that's because
of my experiences. I roll out the red carpet
for any guy who my wife plays with. I make sure
when he comes to my home, he's comfortable, and
my aura makes him comfortable. I make sure that
I know that I can be intimidating. I know that
if they've never met me, I do my best to let
you know, hey, I appreciate you coming through.
I'm going to give you all the tips that I can
give you. You know, feel comfortable, feel safe,
blah, blah, blah. I make him feel comfortable.
The things that people have said to me throughout
the years where motherfuckers say, oh, well,
you lucky that you get to fuck my wife. Like,
I don't say the dickhead shit that I want to
say, but I'm thinking, like, why the fuck am
I lucky? Like, is she, like, like, what am I?
she's used to fucking your four -inch dick. And
I'm the lucky one? Get the fuck out of here.
She's lucky, but I don't come across with that
attitude. You know, and so, but it took years
for me to finally have the mentality where it's
like, oh, no, I can expect the same level of
respect that I get. Mr. Michael, what do you
say? That was also a big thing. What do you say?
Like if somebody does say that, like if you end
up, you know, in the room with a couple or, you
know, she goes away to the bathroom and he says
that, man, you lucky to get to play with my wife.
And you know, let me tell you, like, what do
you say? I mean, like verbally, I know what we
say in our heads. Laugh just like that. Laugh
just like that because you know damn well what
you. what you know that you could say, especially
when you got laid down. You know what I'm saying?
And then curl the toes and all that shit. You
can say that before I fuck her. You can't say
that after I fuck her. Here's the thing. It's
different. It's how it's said. When it's me and
my husband talking about the wife. And we're
just having fun banter about her. Oh, dude, you're
so lucky about to get a fucker. Fucker, she's
so wet and ready. I'm cool with that. Like, because,
oh, I appreciate you sharing this pussy. I appreciate
you sharing that energy. I appreciate the fact
that, you know, you invited me out. You and your
wife invited me out. You guys got me dinner and
drinks. You got a great hotel room. And I'm going
to go up there and give her. my very best. I
want to blow her fucking mind. And in the meantime,
with him and I bantering back and forth and talking
about her and flirting with her and kind of doing
that interaction between the husband and the
bull, where it's this, I'm giving him that energy
that he wants and I'm sharing, helping him bask
in the glow that she's about to receive. That's
different. But to have someone say, look, dude,
you should be lucky I'm letting you fuck my wife.
So, you know, if you can't come over this weekend,
we'll just fucking find somebody else. At that
point, I just say, well, you know something?
You don't have to call me anymore. And the few
times that's happened, it's... You know, some
guy, you know, husband trying to be tough because,
yeah, your wife is attractive. But, look, she
likes me as much as I like her. And clearly you
got a whole bunch of guys who are just like me
who are fucking her just the way I do. So get
one of them motherfuckers to fuck her so you
can talk to her crazy. So now when she's calling
me and asking me, hey, did I do something to
offend you? No, you didn't do anything to offend
me. But if you talk to your husband, he'll explain
to you our last conversation. You know what I'm
saying? Because I know my worth. You know what
I'm saying? Like, I know statistically speaking
what I provide. But when I first got into it,
because I was compensating for all the horror
stories I heard about all the single guys, and
then I finally realized, no, dude, there are
a whole bunch of horror stories about single
guys. There's not a whole bunch of horror stories.
I've done this exercise. Everybody talks about
how bad single guys are. One in ten people can
say they've had a bad experience. And when I
say bad experience, I'm not talking about bad
sex. I'm not talking about bad body odor. I'm
not talking about the guy is fucking weird. I'm
not talking about some unattractive single guy
in the club who tried to talk to you. and said
to you exactly what the attractive guy would
have said, and you just sucked the attractive
guy's dick. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking
about how many times have you ever had a single
guy who was just downright disrespectful? That's
one intent. But everything else gets grouped
into that. But it took me years to understand
that. And so I was like extra cautious and compensating.
And now I'm like, I'm not doing backflips. I'm
going to give you. Whatever you give me. That's
it. Well said. Well said. We haven't heard from
the queen bee of our podcast tonight. The lovely
siren. Siren, what's on your mind, babe? I'm
just listening. Just soaking it in. You're just
listening? It's been a long day today, so I'm
just quietly absorbing the information, taking
it in and interjecting it in there. I just wanted
to say about that, the single guys, that's kind
of one of my, it's a little burr under my saddle
ever since I've been in the lifestyle. Socrates
and I travel a lot, and just visiting the different
places that, you know, on a prime night, they
won't allow any single guys in. And I just...
I haven't had that many bad interactions, and
I know other people have, but I'm just like,
maybe we can set up a night for all of us women
that want the single guys, and then the couples
can hang out on their night, and then the rest
of us can have the single guys come to us. Would
that work? Can we spread the word on that? You
should ask your friends. You know, but you gotta
ask them randomly don't don't challenge them
because then they'll make some shit up Ask them
like what was their worst single guy interaction,
right? Mm -hmm. And then when they tell you what's
your worst two single guy interaction, right?
And then if they tell you two that are bad and
then so how many single guys have you played
with if they've had played with like 200 single
dudes and that too bad like to actually like
bad situations Because I can tell you this, we
get way more disrespect from couples than we
do from single guys. Always. Like we've always
got more, had more, more like weird situations
where couples, you know, cancel or, or just are
no call, no show, or, you know, the single guy,
I know you've had this. You talk to a couple
online. They reach out to you. You talk to them.
Then they just go silent. And then three months
later, like 12 o 'clock in the morning, they
message you like, hey, she's ready to come fuck.
Are you up? Are you up? It's like the lifestyle
booty call. One o 'clock in the morning. I ain't
heard from you in two damn months. And you're
going to hit me up. Are you up? Can you come
over? Oh, Lord. So many times. Yes. So many times.
Yes. Yes. We make it a policy at our house. That's
a standard issue. Yeah, we don't cancel on people
unless we are ill. You know, unless we are ill
or we're just like. something turned with the
vibe really hard strong you know hardcore but
we just try to be really honest with people and
not ghost them because there is so many situations
like that and it's just annoying it's just like
just communicate but i know people are afraid
and all that good stuff but even when i was single
before the lifestyle i just made that a policy
like I would not, that's, that's why I'm married
to Socrates now is because I didn't cancel that
night because I wanted to, because I was really
tired, but I was like, no, this is my policy
with myself that if a man has the courage, you
know, and asked me out and makes a plan, then
I show up unless I'm, I'm really, really sick.
So it's serving me well to, to be married to
him now. And then also, you know, in the lifestyle
we do that, you know, as a couple or individuals,
it's like, Just really, you know, give a cancellation
fee or something. I don't know. There should
be. I say something. No. Okay. No, no, no. I'll
tell you another thing. So we have had the problem
with single women and the no -show cancellation.
This one bitch, I'm about like, hey, you got
to put down a security deposit before you're
going to make another appointment with my husband.
and waste more of my time putting you on the
schedule as the slut secretary. I got a cancellation
fee now. So next time be credit card, $100 deposit,
non -refundable. Show up. Hey, listen. But I
don't think we've had any dudes. We haven't had
any dudes cancel. Single women are the roughest.
Yeah, tell me about it. And that's why I don't
deal with the unicorns. that was a rule that
was a rule that uh that my handler uh she she
was very adamant about when i was out there doing
the escort thing if it's a it's a single if it's
a single unless she really knew her unless she
really really knew her and could you know vouch
for her it wouldn't happen she was like they
were not being like do that crazy she said she
said women are women are foolish they're absolutely
folks you know she was like i know what you see
that Yeah, we have a lot of good ones. We have
about to say, hey, no, no, no. Ladies, listeners,
soccer teases down. I don't care if you're unicorn.
Call me up. No problem. I'm letting my I'm letting
my brothers over here speak their piece. And
these guys are wise sages that I listen to. But
I'm telling you right now, I ain't figured that
out yet. Unicorns, holler at your boy. Thank
you very much. Yeah, just remember that you have
to go through a siren for the actual dick appointment,
so I just want you to show up. Because you know
when you don't show up, then I got to suck his
dick twice as hard and twice as long. You know,
ladies, I need some help. So, you know, if you're
going to make the appointment, do it. Just show
up. I'm not scary. I won't be there with, like,
a pitchfork or anything. I'll probably sprinkle
the rose petals myself. Light the candles for
you. Please. And then plus, whenever he does
have one, I usually go shopping. So that's a
whole other thing. But yeah, some expensive pussy
going on around here. Anyways, I just took that
over on the single guy thing. I hear you. I got
a question for everybody right now. and we go
around the room um starting with starting with
mocha and then socrates and then siren where
where do you all think this lifestyle is going
now in the future where is it headed and the
reason i say this is because uh okay let me please
let me finish when when this when this first
came about in hot wiping or even swinging first
came about it was so underground correct okay
okay all right now here again here comes that
word evolution it is now so so and i think about
the the these ladies that i that i had at my
other job that when we talked about you know
the world that i live in you know the life that
i live and they were so down so damn like, please
tell us about all about it. You know what I mean?
In the past, you couldn't have got those ladies
to damn open their fucking mouth and ask me the
questions that they were asking me or to like,
be like, or to say, damn, I wish I had a husband
like that. Or how can I approach my husband with
an idea like that? You know what I mean? That's,
that's, that's going from underground to above
ground. So what I'm trying to say is, where do
you guys think this life is going in the future?
And, you know, here again, I hate the word lifestyle.
Where do you think this life is going? I mean,
where? I look at Splash. I look at the couples
at Splash. You have a lot of couples now who
are just like, fuck it. You know what I mean?
This is who the fuck we are. You know, we don't.
We don't. go back home and, you know, to the
vanilla. This is who the hell we are. And we
still have the ones who are still, you know,
we do our thing here. When we leave here, we
turn back into that other couple. But in my experience
going around different places, I have met a lot
of people and a lot of couples that are just
like, you know, we aren't going to be vanilla
anymore. This is who we are. Family might know.
Some people might know. Colleagues might know,
et cetera, et cetera. But we don't give a fuck.
So that's why I'm asking. What do you guys think
this world is called? I think that it's like
everything else is perspective, right? And I'll
say it like this. Until I was introduced to that
world or this world. I was skating around it
all day and never knew it was there. And once
I was introduced to cuckolding, I started looking
up information on it, and it was all over the
fucking place. I think this lifestyle is... It's
not going to change. The fact of the matter is...
It's the same, and it's not there until you start
looking for it. When you start looking for it,
all of a sudden you realize, holy shit, this
is all over the place. You know, when you talk
to, I've got, we've got friends who are, well,
I mean, hell, the couple who I first started
with, now they're in their 60s. You know, I mean,
they're late 60s. And they had a whole world
that was going on. very actively that i had no
idea existed so i don't i don't believe that
it's so much that it's out there in everybody's
face but it's kind of like when as soon as you
start looking all of a sudden it's kind of like
as soon as you buy a car You didn't realize that
every time you blink, there's that same car.
Like, holy shit, how many of these fucking cars
own the home? That's how lifestyle is. Like,
you know, before you get into lifestyle, you
know, that's just some shit you kind of hear
about on TV or some weird ass, you know, reality
TV show. And then you get into it and it's like,
holy shit, I think the neighbors are swingers.
You know, so I don't see there being. I kind
of think that everything is the same. Nothing's
changed. It's just, you know, we see it everywhere,
and it can't hide from us anymore. The blinders
are on for us. But most of the world still has
the blinders on. Good answer. Damn good answer.
Socrates, Siren, or the both of y 'all together?
Mine's going to be... I don't know. Mine's going
to be long and complicated. So I don't know if
Siren wants to go first. Mine was, so go ahead.
Yeah, I'll be the happy little caboose at the
end. Okay. So before I say what I'm saying to
our listeners, I'm going to be the biggest hypocrite
in the room for this. But I'm just going to stand
ten toes down with it. And the reason why I say
that is because By the time this episode comes
out, we will do our best to be on TikTok, Instagram,
Facebook, YouTube. I plan to market this as heavily
as possible. And so I say that, and I disagree
with Mr. Mocha. I think a tide has changed, and
I don't like it, actually. I want our community
to grow in numbers and lessen in attention. And
I think there's a better word for attention,
but maybe, I don't know, the public knowing about
us. And here's why I say that. There's three
reasons why I say a tide has changed. The first
one is the biggest one and the most recent one,
Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. That's one. The
second was a sling. So I used to work for Dish
Network. And they have what's called a sling
thing. So it's like an online cable or Internet
cable. And one of their campaigns for like a
year was slingers. And the whole premise of their
campaign was that these dudes that look like
the 1960s, overly, like, outwitted swingers,
and it was like a whole commercial series on
it. And then the third thing was Lisa Ling did
a show on... Naughty in New Orleans. Naughty
in New Orleans. And to this day, like, my...
My barber brought it up and called it the upside
down people, upside down pineapple people. And
I was just, I was acting like, you know, I was
like, I don't know anything about it. And I was
just asking questions like I normally do. And
this dude literally thought that swingers have
a real pineapple hanging outside the door and
any rando can just knock on the door and then
get it on. That's what I thought. Yeah. So. I
think it's going to grow in both categories,
which I obviously like being in this community.
It's going to grow in people. But I also think
because of a fourth, actually, a fourth thing,
and maybe this is the point that Mr. Mocha might
be making, so I'll concede this. I see a lot
of new. tiktok and youtube podcasters out there
talking about this and maybe that's where it's
like okay what mr mocha is talking about is the
reticular activating system so whenever your
brain starts focusing on something it sees it
everywhere so that one is probably just me because
i'm i pretty much follow a lot of them and the
algorithm is just feeding it to me but i don't
think it's going to be good and here's where
i think it's going I don't think it's going to
be good because I also do notice what the vanilla
world is saying about us. And the biggest trend
that I've been following is that they associate
us with P. Diddy. Like a swingers party has I've
heard vanilla and nobody knows I'm a lifestyle.
I've heard vanilla people just random twice.
And I thought it was crazy. One was the post
office. Talk about. You know, what P Diddy does
is the same as what swingers do. And I find that
comical. Yeah. And I've seen it a lot on TikTok,
but I'm on TikTok a lot. But and then secondly,
I'll say that I'll say that I think with politically
us moving more conservative, I don't think it's
going to be viewed as cool, even though most.
statistically most swingers in the swinger category
and not the poly category are conservative. I
don't think it's going in the right direction.
And I don't think the attention we're getting,
because when you watch Secret Lives, they just
put up there all the hashtags, hot wife, swinger,
all of them, cuckold. They put it all up there
real fast. And I'm like, these people did like
three things on the show. And it's even debatable
if they did any kind of real... Ethical non -monogamy
stuff. It's not even a main part of it. It's
mentioned like a few times. And the only reason
why they got a show is because they talked about
the swinger stuff. But they were really kind
of just big Mormon TikTokers. And then that blew
them up. So it's like, I think it's going to
have negative repercussions. I think there's
already a state, I think, in the Northwest that's
now made it illegal. to be an ethical nominee?
We lost you for a second there. Oh. Yeah. Oh,
okay. I said, the last part I said was, there's
even a state in the northeast that's now made
swinging illegal. And so, I don't see a good
trend. And like I said, I'm being a hypocrite
because I'm on a market. the hell out of this
show because i believe in it and siren and siren
show and any other ones but you know that's that's
really just because i'm like well you can either
you know i used to be a surfer and i'm like you
can either ride the wave and try to survive it
in or you can try to be under it and i'm just
riding it but i don't think it's going in a good
direction it's so interesting because in in a
lot of situations i'm the negative sorter And
then you were just a negative sorter here with
this situation. And I feel like really excited,
actually, and hopeful. And if we had fuck you
money, I would already be like posting on Facebook.
Like, here is my ex account. And, you know, whatever.
Here's my podcast. Here's everything. And if
you don't like it, fuck you. But. I'm following
my husband and his leadership and his vision
and, you know, slow rolling that, but I would,
I'd be out already. I'm, I'm tired of it, you
know? So for a while there, it was like anybody
that did a personal service for me, like massage
or anything else, I would tell them all about
it. And my husband was like, can you please like
slow down a little bit? I'm trying to get that
fuck you money. And then you can tell everybody
that you want to. I think eventually, you know,
because, you know, my my daughter who's in her
20s knows and she could care less. Her few of
her friends know they're like, whatever. They
don't even talk about it. It's just we also live
in the same state who a friend of ours just said
another friend of hers lost her job off of the
rumor that she was one. And we're not also going
to mention that somebody didn't show up to our
wedding because of it. So it is not like, don't
get me wrong, I love this lifestyle. It introduced
me to some of my best friends. And we have businesses
and we have based on this community. I love it.
But I'm not. But I think you're saying what I
was saying. You're saying exactly what I was
saying, that shit start changing. 20 years ago,
you'd have lost your job if you found out you
were a swinger. I mean, swinging will always
have a certain type of negative connotation on
it because you have so many people out there
who want to keep it a secret. Yeah, they want
to keep it a secret. In my opinion, going according
to what you just said, If it was going in the
direction that I think that you say it's going
in, that means you start having states saying,
hey, don't worry about the swinging. In my opinion,
I think that, you know, you can be part of the
LGBTQ community, no problem. But people still
look down on lifestylers and swingers and people
who are in ethical, non -monogamous relationships.
Because there are so many people who are in positions
of power who understand the importance of keeping
that side of their life secret. And so, yeah,
I definitely think that there's a lot of people
who just not want this to become something that's
bigger than it is. And the fact of the matter
is, yeah, for us, our eyes are open to this particular
thing. But it's kind of like you're saying...
All of a sudden, there's 50, you know, a thousand
new shows and a thousand new places to access
the lifestyle information. That's true. But there's
a million other things that are being thrown
out there when it comes to all the other things
that we are told to accept and that's being pushed
onto the community that still keeps the LS community.
at the same level you know what i'm saying so
to me because i talked to i mean i talk to people
every day who they're not they they've heard
about it but they don't know anything about it
but now as soon as they start researching they're
like holy you could find this i mean i remember
i mean one of the i mean you can go back to the
70s and find swingers clubs there's been swingers
clubs popping since the 70s swinging period.
But you say swinging back further than that,
and then we're only talking about U .S. We're
not even talking about European stuff. And then
when we just talk about the concept of sex and
things like that, let's start looking at history.
We can take this all the way back to fucking
Rome if we want to. So the same people who are
interested in it, those are the people who are
going to dive into it. You know what I'm saying?
You know, the chicks that are interested in getting
fisted, they can find fisting material everywhere.
You know what I'm saying? The chicks that are,
you know, the people that are interested in anal,
you can find anal everywhere. But once you start
finally looking for it, it's like, man, a lot
more people like that than I thought. Anything
that you look at, you're going to realize that
you're a cross -section of the world. So anything
that you can think of. You can find a million
people who think the same shit. You know what
I'm saying? And now with social media being what
it is, there's a lot more access to people who
have the same viewpoints you have. That's why
our political situation is so fucked up because
everybody can find somebody with their exact
same opinion. Sex is the same. Well, I just want
to talk about it because I have a large group
of friends that I've told. You know, that are
vanilla, that are just like, oh, yeah, that seems
like something you'd be into. And then they feel
free to ask questions. And even if they don't
want to participate now, it's just like a normal
topic to them. They're like, oh, yeah, we just
talk about it every month at Ladies Bunko. We
just talk about it, you know, and then they ask
questions and that's my opportunity to educate
them. So I'm not saying, you know, I just I just
think we're going to be another letter. eventually
just like you know however many years ago being
gay was like such a big deal and now it's just
pretty much like everybody's you know knows someone
who's gay trans or anything else so my mindset
is to think that if I have anything to do with
it, you know, in my small little pool of the
world, I just want, and that's what the goal
of my podcast is too, is just to get people to
normalize, especially women just talking about
their sexuality and talking about their sexual
journey. Because then when they get to the siren
after dark portion and they find out what's on
that side of it, you know, I'm trying to lead
them into that to find out the information. You
know, it's not just about like them being curious
and looking for it. It's like some of the women,
you know, at Bunko, they're like, oh, what is
that all about? And then, you know, yeah, some
of them have some pretty twisted things, you
know, about what swing might be or what the lifestyle
is all about. But I just love the opportunity
to be able to educate them. And since they already
respect me as a person, I don't feel like. You
know, I haven't really had I can't think of anybody
that has negatively replied, you know, or they
were damn good at hiding it, you know. So obviously,
I don't know all their internal thoughts and
feelings, but it doesn't seem to have changed
too many of my relationships and friendships,
you know, except like my husband mentioned the
one person, you know, that called and said they
weren't coming to our wedding because of it.
But, you know, that was more carne asada tacos
for me. Well, I was really upset about it, actually.
It's a longtime friend that did this. But, you
know, some will and some won't, you know? But
I just, I want to be myself. And I've waited
a long time to be myself. Well, let me say this.
Let me say this. That's just one, you know, idiot
that just doesn't get it, all right? And you're
going to have people like that? You're going
to have people like that, and, you know, so be
it. Let them live their life. Yeah. Period. And
they're missing out. They're missing out. Exactly.
Exactly. I know in my situation, when I decided
to be myself, and if you ask me, or if I hear
somebody talking about it, and you ask me something,
and I start to talk, and I start to, I didn't
realize it, but I start to. educate them on this
life and how this life has really benefited so
many couples positively in their relationship
and in their marriage. And I tell them that it's
not about me. They're just trying to have sex.
I was like, I am actually bending in and helping
these other couples. And I tell them when I go
to these events. i meet some of the happiest
married couples in the freaking world um and
after i talk to them like that you know such
as the ladies um that i talk to they they start
to get it you know i mean like and like mocha
said they start doing their research and they
realize you know my god this this is a whole
nother world and i'm intrigued by it you know
um And it's a damn shame that so many, that so
many, and here I am talking about these vanilla
husbands now, because the wives, they want to
go back and down and talk about shit. They want
to bring it up to them. But these, a lot of these
husbands, here again, they are just, depending
on where you come from, like here I am down here
in the South, they just don't, you know. Don't
get it. They just don't get it. And it's a shame.
It really is a shame. I think that I'm 50 -50
on this. I think there's a part of me that thinks
a percentage of people and of couples will, you
know, come out and just, you know, live this
life and take it further. And then I think there's
another 50 % of me that is kind of like maybe
Socrates and, you know, they're just not going
to happen. Why, I don't know, because what are
you doing wrong? You know, when I ask the question,
what am I doing wrong? They can't give me a fucking
answer. Yeah, we're not hurting anyone. Do y
'all understand what I'm talking about? You know
what I'm saying? We ain't hurting a damn. We're
not hurting anyone. We're not hurting anyone.
Nobody. Everybody is understanding and knows
what the other one is doing. Everybody's talking
about it. You know what I mean? Open -minded,
open communication, no lying, no cheating, no
nothing. Right. So how are we hurting somebody?
You know? We're hurting somebody. So that's where
I stand. Oh, and last but not least, my baby
girl in the last week or two has had a couple
of conversations with some ladies that she knows.
And I guess they got the vibe from her in conversation.
So they asked her, you know, like... In other
words, you know, what's your life like? What
are you into? So she told him. She told him about,
you know, having a husband and a boyfriend. And
it turned into, she said, two of the greatest
conversations that she has ever had with two
women. And the women were like, oh, my freaking
God. That is absolutely, after she explained
everything to them, that's absolutely wonderful.
Wonderful, quote unquote, I wish I had that.
Yeah, I've had a lot of positivity talking to
other women. Yeah, she just had one of those
conversations today when she got a massage. She
couldn't wait to call me and let me know, baby,
guess what just happened? You know, her masseuse,
they sat there and talked after the massage was
over with. And she had a great conversation with
her. Great conversation. So don't sit here and
tell me that people don't want to know about
this life. Don't tell me they're not curious.
Don't tell me they're not, you know, a lot of
people, a lot of people, y 'all, wish or want
to be a part of the world that we live and love
on a daily basis. They do. They really do. I'm
here again. It's up for the four of us, along
with the other members, to educate. Educate,
educate, educate, educate. Facts. You know, don't,
I mean, when you hear somebody talking about
it, and they may, you know, ask you something
about it or whatever, God damn it, tell them.
Don't ask me no shit. I tell people right, I
tell people quick. Don't ask me something you
don't. You ask the right dude, okay? You ask
the right guy. Because I'm going to tell you.
I'm going to tell you. I don't shy away from
anything. I don't. This is who I am. This is
it, you know? And I just hope that this grows.
I really do. I hope that this grows. And obviously
it is because, you know, you're having these,
you know, Lisa Lane and all these other TV shows,
et cetera, et cetera. So I think it's going to
grow. I think it's going to grow. And I'm so
glad to be a part of it. And I'm so glad to have
my family right here with me here again in this
evolution of growth. I'm with it. I agree with
what you said. I definitely think everybody's
interested in it. Everyone is interested in anything.
There's very few people who are not interested
in certain things. Now, don't get me wrong. People
go, oh my God, I can't believe you do that while
they're watching. Look at that. I can't believe
you're letting somebody do this to your wife.
But they're going to ask you questions. They
want to know about all the stuff that they're
pretending like they're not interested in. So
I definitely think that people want to know.
But I also think that a whole lot more people
than not want to keep it secret. We are a part
of a 1 % of, we're 1 % of the 1 % of people in
their lifestyle. and that one percent is the
people who are actually open out there advocating
happy to talk about happy to interact happy to
engage but most people you know are very very
cautious they want this to be private they don't
want people to know what they're doing you know
so that's what i mean when i say the the direction
of this particular lifestyle no matter what it's
going to be the same as it's always been for
the simple fact that We are a very small part
of a very, very small community when we compare
it to the rest of the world that are interested
in sharing our stories and hearing people. So
the amount of people that's going to listen to
us will far, far, far exceed the amount of people
who will admit to joining in. and our debauchery.
A lot more than people will listen. But, you
know, only a small percentage of those people
are going to be brave enough to even speak about
it. You know, the beauty about the internet is
those people who are scared, now they can go
and privacy their own home and look up podcasts
and look up information and look at a lot of
these bullshit ass shows that don't even... shows
lifestyle and swinging or hot wiping or cuckolding
in the right light. But, you know, it's still
fantasy to people. You know, so that's why when
I say I think that it's going to kind of stay
on the same trajectory, I think lots of people
will continue getting into lifestyle because
there are a lot more people in the lifestyle.
For whatever number you think there is, there's
a whole lot more who are very, very discreet.
You know, and that's just how they're happy being.
Most lifestylers don't want to be put on. They
don't want a letter. They don't want nobody to
know that they're a part of anything. Just leave
us in the shadows. You know, let my wife go suck
some dick. You know, I don't want nobody to know
about them. Pretend like, oh, my God, your wife
sucks dick. You fucking weirdo. Honey, make sure
you're not sucking the same dick that she's sucking.
You know what I'm saying? Like, that's how it
really works. You know, it's still a secret society.
You know what I'm saying? People still want that,
you know, that discretion. You know, even when
I'm looking on websites, I still have people
say to me, hey, I'm looking for discretion. Cool.
I mean, I'm perfectly fine with that. Like, I'm
not going to be yelling your name from the...
I fuck Jeannie. I fuck Jeannie. I'm not going
to do that. I'm going to keep my mouth shut so
I can have some more. Yeah. We never talk about
our play partners, but I talk about myself to
my friends. I'll tell stories, but we're very
discreet in that stuff. I just like to talk about
it. I love the lifestyle. I love being in it
and with it. And it's like talking about it.
That's why these podcasts are so fun too. So.
Yeah, I'm just free. I'm just free with my shit.
I'm free with it. You know, I'm like you all
know, I'm not bringing in my, my partners, you
know, my play partners. No, it is about their
discretion. But if you're asking me, you know,
how things are in the lifestyle, what's a typical,
like, you know, if you meet somebody, how does
that go? Then I'm going to tell you, I'm going
to tell you. And then most of the time, they're
like, okay, I didn't know that it was like that.
You know what I mean? They just think you just
meet somebody, pull your dick out, go fuck, this,
that, da, da, da. No, they don't realize that,
okay, the bull, I'm a bull who gets tested every
30 days. You know, I'm a bull that when you meet
me, I impeccable, you know, hygiene, impeccable
manners. If I tell you I'm going to be at your
house at 3 o 'clock, at 5 till 3. The car is
pulling in the driveway, okay? There's a certain
sequence of events that I go through. They don't
realize that. They don't realize that. They don't
realize that couples sit down and talk amongst
themselves openly and honestly. No, they're not
trying to hurt the other one, okay? They're being
honest. This is what I wish that we could do
together, or this is what I fantasize about,
you know, et cetera, et cetera. So there's so
much, there's so much more than just all of the
negative bullshit that's put on television and,
you know, so much more, so much more. Well, I
just want one. Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry. I thought
you were finished. No, no, no, no, no. I'm done.
Go ahead. Go ahead. Well, I was going to say,
I want to get, I want to bring, you know, Mr.
Mocha back on here. We need to do a number. a
part two because I think we only got to age 27.
We even got to Mrs. Mocha. You know, all of his
escapades in the city he lives in. So I think
we should do a part two for sure. Definitely.
Definitely has to be a part two. You just say
when. It ain't like the three of us don't talk
all the time. Right, every day. I know, right?
I know, I know. Definitely has been, this has
been real. I've enjoyed it so much. And there's
thunder going on in the background. And here
again, man, I don't know, I don't know what to
say, but you guys have... bought me out of a
shell. He really has. He bought me out of a shell
and it's just, it's getting better and better.
I mean, it really is getting better and better
because I have been the president and CEO of
MeFi Me Incorporated for so damn long. And, you
know, it just feels good, man, to have some true,
some true friends and some true friends who I
call family. I love y 'all. I do. Love y 'all
to death. Love y 'all to death. Love y 'all to
death. To the people out there listening, this
is just the beginning. This is just the beginning.
Just the beginning of this beautiful journey
of all the family. We're going to bring this
shit raw, unfiltered, uncensored, teaching, mentoring,
and Getting everybody used to what this life
is all about. Well, Mr. Mocha, you want to...
Hey, I appreciate you having me on. Hey, man.
Like I said, just the start of many, brother.
Just the start of many. Mr. Mocha, let them know
where they can find you at, bro. So you can find
me and my wife on the O -Faces, O -F -A -C -E
-Z podcast, and you can find us wherever you
get your podcasts. My wife is the star of the
show with her antics. And on the podcast, on
Old Faces, you'll hear all of these people on
that because they're family. So we talk to them
all the time. We get on there. And, I mean, honestly,
I think that we've always said. 90 % of the conversations
that we have off air, we get through them like,
man, we should have recorded that. So we're going
to start getting together and recording our random
thoughts. That's a new segment that I'm going
to create where it's literally just random thoughts
that we get on and we just throw things out there
because you guys will see, especially as your
platform begins to develop. you get a lot of
people who just throw random things at you, random
questions, random thoughts, and then you're like,
wow, who can I call and throw this at? You know,
a lot of times, you know, I'll call and, you
know, throw stuff at the Sigma male or Socrates
or Mike, you know, so next time I get something,
next time somebody throws something at me, I'll...
You can check out the Old Faces podcast while
I hot potato it to one of the films. True, true,
true. True. Oh, man. Suck it to you, Simon. Y
'all got anything to say before we close this
one out, I guess? My lovely wife, you want to
go first? I just feel privileged to just be a
little bit of feminine energy in this space.
I've enjoyed you fellas. And I always enjoy the
podcast. I said, I may go in a little, a little
tired after a long day, but I always just feel
like my spirit is renewed and refreshed after,
after sitting and talking to you guys and listening.
I love it. Thank you guys. Thank you, sir. Yeah.
So really quick, let me make this quick. I consider
Mr. Mocha one of my best friends. Like, this
guy, you know, I'll take a bullet for this man.
Like, this brother showed me what being a part
of a brotherhood really means. And I have to
thank him. I love you back, man. I appreciate
that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I have to thank my
wife. Because if it wasn't for her insisting
on... on black dick and i and i there's two things
she made me do first she made me um look up you
know conventions or you know uh hotel takeovers
that have some brothers that and i was like okay
there's two i know about we ended up at splash
mocha then secondly she saw um you know dark
gable over here the man of steel and she's like
well i'm gonna get this i want to get you gotta
start you gotta start you gotta start making
people think this they're gonna see me like what
the fuck is wrong these guys and um she said
she said talk to him for me daddy and i you know
i wrote up to him and then you know i found a
friend you know i found somebody that elevates
me and challenges me and, you know, holds me
accountable, but at the same time loves the shit
out of me. So I just want to say, you know, you
guys check his podcast out and you learn so much.
I listened to it before I met him. I didn't even
realize that was him. And then, you know, I'm
just so excited about what all of us have in
store for the future. I appreciate it. Absolutely.
A wealth of knowledge, ladies and gentlemen.
he has a wealth of knowledge all right um my
brother from another mother uh he's a gentleman
he's a family man um and i don't know what to
say about this that's my dog that's all it is
to it he is my dog he really is and uh again
love you love you like love you man i'm bad just
that's it just like you know you're in you're
in socrates um You guys don't know what you mean
to me. You really don't. Yeah, we do. We mean
the same thing to each other. We know. We know.
All right. All right. As much time we spend talking
to each other, we know. Yeah. Yeah, we do. We
do. We damn sure do. We damn sure do. And like
I said, it's just getting better, man. Just getting
better. You know? And I guess on that note, if
everybody said what they have said, We'll go
ahead and close it out. As usual, ladies and
gentlemen, thank you. Thank you so much for being
a part of another exciting and wonderful and
informative podcast, The Bull Brotherhood. And
a special shout out to our special guest, Mr.
Mocha. I'm the Sigma Male, B. Morgan. And for
Socrates and Siren. We just give a shout out
to all the brothers out there, all of our bulls,
saying good night. And, of course, to all of
my hard wives, good morning. Auf Wiedersehen.
Bye -bye. Good night.