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elevate. So to all the bulls, hot wives, stags,

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and open -minded explorers, we see you. Let's

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go. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another

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episode of the Bull Brotherhood Podcast. I am

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the one and only Brian Morgan, the Sigma male

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himself, coming at you with my podcast team,

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the lovely Siren. Say hello. Hello. And her partner

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in crime, her husband, the philosophical one,

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Socrates. What's good, John? Ladies and gentlemen,

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tonight we are doing a continuation of last week's

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podcast where we had my family who are back with

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us tonight, the lovely Lindsay. Say hello. Hello.

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And my dog, big dog, her husband, Phillip. What's

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good, Phillip? How are you doing? I'm doing good,

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brother. As I said, tonight is a continuation

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of last week's podcast where we kind of shut

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it down as my boy Socrates had a bunch of questions

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that he was going to ask Phillip and Lindsey.

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So tonight, I'm going to turn it over to Socrates

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and Siren. I'm kind of taking the night off,

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but I'll be here to answer and to tune in if

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needed. So I'm going to turn it over to Socrates.

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Go ahead, Big Bo. Yeah, so, you know, we were

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just kind of getting into Lindsey and Philip's

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dynamic, and, you know, I just had a lot of questions.

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So first, let's kind of recount. So you guys

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were in a relationship where Lindsey was at work,

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and she was having messenger conversations with

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a black man at her job. And Philip was eavesdropping

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on that, right? Correct. And you didn't say anything

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to her for a long time, right? Oh, probably three

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or four months, maybe, of that going on. Yeah,

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that's a long time to me. It's amazing self -control.

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Oh, yeah. Oh, wait a minute. It was, like I said,

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it was rough. for a while you know i was going

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back and forth back and forth you know do i confront

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her or him and or i just keep this going on and

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see how far it goes and so like i said it was

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uh it was an emotional time because you know

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how we had been married for 20 years and here

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she is starting with this guy you know so it's

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not like you know when you're married you talk

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to other people Hell, I've talked to other women

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before, but, you know. What? What? But not to

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that extent, you know. Yeah, so what was going

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through your mind? Like, when you first discovered

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it, like, take me through what you were feeling

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and thinking, because, you know, most monogamous

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couples, you know, that's when all hell breaks

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loose, right? So take me through your thought

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process. I think it was, part of it was me knowing

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something she didn't. And that was kind of what

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drove it. You know, it wasn't like a big, a deep

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anger. It was more of, you know, this is kind

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of interesting because I'm seeing or reading

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kind of like a different side of her, if that

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makes sense. she was you know the flirting and

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back and forth i can tell she was excited which

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kind of made me excited because it was reawakening

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her that makes that that makes sense oh yeah

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and even hell our sex life got even better during

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that period um because hell i would be thinking

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about her with him as i was sure and she didn't

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know that no um you know that went on for you

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know three or four months until i finally just

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got to a point where i kind of suspected it was

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going to go further than just them talking and

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he was pushing it like he would uh he would send

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her links like hey check this video out you know

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it was a you know black dude fucking a white

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chick you know And, you know, I sit there and

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watch the video. I'm like, okay, that's pretty

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hot. But, you know, it was just, he was pushing

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it further and further. They worked at different

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ends of the building. So he had no real business

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being at her end of the building. And he was

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trying to conspire with her, like, yeah, let's

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come up with an excuse. I can come visit you

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in your office and we'll close the door. And,

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you know, that whole thing. And that's where

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I finally got to the point of like, okay, I need

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to confront these two before. Yeah, before it,

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oh, okay, yeah, before something actually goes

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through, right? Yeah, something actually goes

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down, so. And that's where I showed up at her

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work, and I texted, I think, both of you guys.

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Yeah, I told you to come out to the parking lot.

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And, you know, of course, she was like, what

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the hell's going on, you know? Was he like bowing

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up? I can't remember. He tried to a few times.

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But of course, the worst part was the fact of

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that he's out there by the smoke shack. So every

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person that works there is like hanging out,

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walking by. And I'm administrative staff. So

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I walk out and I'm like, oh, shit. What the F

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is going down? And so I walk out there and they're

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talking before I even get out there. And I can

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see some posturing, some weird business going

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on. I'm not even sure. I'm like, oh, my God.

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Oh, my God. Somebody has tapped into my. Yeah,

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she knew she was busted at that point. Oh, wow.

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You know, and I didn't want to cause a scene

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in front of any of the employees. You know, that

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was my biggest thing. Unless it had to go, you

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know, all these spots go through your head like.

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Oh, I'm going to get her back. You know, it's

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the jealousy part, right? Like, oh, I'll fuck

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her up and get her in trouble at work, you know,

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because that's where she was working. There would

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be, you know, anywhere if something like that

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goes on property, you know. But I didn't go that

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far. I just basically told them, hey, you need

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to leave. Stop texting her, messaging her, all

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this business. And that's where. the two of us

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but we go we i mean it was every night sitting

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on the front porch talking you know arguing you

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know whose fault is it you know that whole thing

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you know it's whatever and we start you know

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we work through it because that's what we do

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you know after we calm down okay let's regroup

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get back together and talk about this And what

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made you want to do this? I started asking her,

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is this something you want to try? I was like,

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I had no idea how people get in the lifestyle

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or what the lifestyle, I had no idea what the

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lifestyle was. I knew people out there did extra

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curricular activities. Mine for me was just the

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new oncoming of attention. Oh, I've been married

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for someone for 20 years. I have four children.

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I have a career. I am in a high -powered position.

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And oh my gosh, someone finds me attractive.

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What? Wait, what? So for me, that was the excitement

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of that someone showed me attention and made

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me feel, I don't want to sound shallow or stupid,

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but made me feel attractive or pretty. Thank

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you. Yeah, and that was the same for me. that

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someone else thinks my wife is looking hot you

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know and i'm sitting there going okay yeah i

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think that's pretty hot too that's why i liked

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that attention so you know so we talked and talked

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and talked is you know finally oh i don't know

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january i think because we'd sit out on the porch

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and we'd be freezing our ass off because we want

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to talk about this for the kids you know obviously

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so we'd sit out there and We'd have a little

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fire going on our fire pit and talk. And eventually

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I was like, okay, well, I'll give him a call

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and talk to him and say, hey, meet me here and

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I want something to talk to you about. Oh, she

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was nervous. She was so nervous about me even

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contacting. I get a mad yell because they had

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been avoiding you. I think at that point you'd

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been avoiding each other at work. Oh, God, yeah,

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like the plague. So, and it's not, you know,

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I knew, this is the thing, is I knew him. I knew

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him, his wife. We had met before, you know, and

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his kids. So it's not like it was a complete

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stranger. So I was a little bit more comfortable.

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I said, well, let's call him up and see if he's

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down because I knew he had talked to her. previously

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that him and or he and his wife had been in the

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watchtower before they had moved here so i had

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a lot of questions he may be able to answer and

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see if we can make this happen so we met at a

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bar and i guess i think i told this in the last

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podcast um that we sat there and talked till

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we had three or four beers and just because he's

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former military and for military how we talk

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military most of the time you know back and forth

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and uh you know i finally was like hey is this

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something you'd be willing to do he's like oh

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hell yeah because he's been after her since he

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he started working there and uh that's where

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i was like well she's just waiting at home i

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knew you were just nervous as hell right well

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yeah i mean The two years at a bar talking about

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me and about what I've been doing that was naughty

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business behind your knowledge. Yeah. And now

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I'm actually getting consent to do it. Holy crap.

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My God. Well, that's right. And she got there

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20 minutes later. Well, it's kind of interesting,

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too, because, you know, in, you know, the monogamous

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world, it's like people. you know, catch their

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spouse doing something like this. They freak

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out. It's usually a bad ending. Whereas Philip,

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you know, you were very wise, actually, in my

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opinion, is that you watched the situation. You

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saw how it could possibly benefit. You talked

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to your wife over, you know, the course of time.

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And then, you know, you were able to make a decision

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that would actually benefit everyone involved,

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you know, and I'm sure, you know, Lindsay, you

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probably were like. This is kind of crazy that

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I did something that some people would classify

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as wrong, and then it's actually having a positive,

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like, really fulfilling outcome. Well, yeah,

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and then on top of that, talking with Philip,

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after, you know, we kind of regrouped back, he

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was like, you have no idea. He was like, it's

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always been my fantasy to watch you with a Black

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man. I was like, what? What? What? Well, then

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you tell that. I mean, that was discussed prior

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to the meeting. And that's why I was like, is

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this something you would like to try? So I remember

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us talking about it prior to, you know, I was

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thinking about this. And since the last time

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we had a podcast, I was like, when did this kind

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of start for me? And I. can take it back to you

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know dad had a pile of porn mags you know that

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you find under the bed you know and dad's not

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home and some of them had you know this is like

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80s porn there was you know uh pictures of you

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know black guys with white chicks i was like

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oh man that's hot as hell you know uh as a teenager

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and then of course brian can confirm this seeing

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the movie taboo too Or, yeah, taboo two. And

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then there's black taboo two. Yeah, there's a

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black taboo. Where are these who moved? It's

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actually five taboos. Actually five. Can I just

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say that y 'all can, like, complete each other's

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sentences when you talk about this porn? I'm

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just saying. Yeah, maybe send us the link later.

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That's not really a black one. White one. The

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black taboo one is. And I remember seeing a night

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hat, and I was like, oh, man, you know, that's

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hot. So it was always there for me, you know.

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But I never thought it would be a reality, you

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know. And so that's what kind of led to that

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fantasy. But I think another problem with a lot

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of couples is, say, one catches one cheating.

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Immediately, they're fighting, and they want

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a divorce, and you got to keep me if you betrayed

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me. We had those emotions, but we were able to

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talk through that. And we knew, you know, we

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didn't want to split up. I mean, we got kids.

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We got a good family. Let's try and make this

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work and try it out. If it doesn't work, then

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we'll figure something else out, you know? Can

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I? That's where I want to know. Oh, go ahead.

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Go ahead. Go ahead. As you say, a lot of people

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can't do that because of societal norms. You

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know, you can't do that. That's wrong. You know,

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this is not something that's normal. You know,

00:16:01.259 --> 00:16:04.259
they would rather see people split up instead

00:16:04.259 --> 00:16:07.559
of staying together and doing something that's

00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:11.940
going to make them both happy. So what's the

00:16:11.940 --> 00:16:14.980
magic sauce, brother? You know, I've sat there

00:16:14.980 --> 00:16:17.539
and watched families be destroyed because of

00:16:17.539 --> 00:16:22.320
this. What got you guys past the, okay, well,

00:16:22.419 --> 00:16:25.620
like you said, I'm gonna get a divorce and, you

00:16:25.620 --> 00:16:28.480
know, take everything I got and, you know, split

00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:30.679
up and, you know, you start arguing with the

00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:32.779
kids, all that kind of stuff. So what got you

00:16:32.779 --> 00:16:37.539
guys past that? So... I'm going to answer this

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a little bit, and then he'll probably pick up

00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:41.600
back into the conversation. So I'm going to tell

00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:44.139
you, I think a lot of this that helped us through

00:16:44.139 --> 00:16:46.960
it, number one is communication. I mean, like

00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:49.360
he said, we sat on the front porch. We were freezing

00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:53.059
our cojones off. We had a little heat out there.

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I mean, we would stay out there for hours on

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end talking about different things. And then

00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:03.019
listening to him, hearing his views, and hearing

00:17:03.019 --> 00:17:11.000
how he felt. In my brain as what I do and who

00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:14.400
I am, I thought I need to educate myself. I need

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to find avenues. I need to figure out that I'm

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not the only person out there that has these

00:17:21.740 --> 00:17:23.980
feelings or these thoughts or these moments of

00:17:23.980 --> 00:17:27.220
feeling insecure or maybe I feel jealous or maybe

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like he feels jealous. So we started listening

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to podcasts, which are amazing, of course. And

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then I kind of jumped into the realm of listening

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to books on audiobooks. What's it called? Audiobooks.

00:17:43.250 --> 00:17:48.869
Audiobooks. Thank you. Audible. I started listening

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to different books through there. And then when

00:17:51.869 --> 00:17:54.430
you listen to one, it will suggest another one

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and another one and another one. And every time

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I listened to one, I kind of would start writing

00:18:01.690 --> 00:18:04.559
down notes and I would start. thinking and toying

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with ideas and questions I would have for him.

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And I would say, well, listen to this. What do

00:18:08.940 --> 00:18:11.720
you think about this? I even jumped into some

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books that really focused on feeling jealous,

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which is a huge aspect, I want to say, especially

00:18:20.539 --> 00:18:26.559
for women. Because feeling jealous when it comes

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to sharing someone that you love. You have to

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understand jealousy is normal. If people tell

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you, I've never been jealous. I've never felt

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that. They're a damn liar. But understanding

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where the jealousy comes from. What am I feeling?

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Where is this centered? What is it that I'm feeling

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insecure about right now? In this moment, what

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do I feel bad about for myself? And how am I

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projecting this upon somebody else? And how am

00:19:00.950 --> 00:19:05.970
I responding to it? So, like, just self -education

00:19:05.970 --> 00:19:09.210
is huge, I think, when it comes to lifestyle.

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I don't know. What else? I mean, take over, babe.

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You weren't. Neither one of you. Let me say this

00:19:18.430 --> 00:19:21.150
right quick. Neither one of you were afraid to

00:19:21.150 --> 00:19:27.609
go there with each other. You didn't want to

00:19:27.609 --> 00:19:33.119
lose what you have. Okay. And you decided that,

00:19:33.140 --> 00:19:36.460
look, this is bigger than just, you know, I'm

00:19:36.460 --> 00:19:39.740
talking to somebody else and, you know, Phillip,

00:19:39.819 --> 00:19:42.759
you listening and stuff like that. You guys both

00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:47.440
had fantasies. You both had fantasies. And you

00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:51.119
just had a window of opportunity there. And you

00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:53.519
were able to come together and be able to talk

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about it. Yeah, it was a little difficult at

00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:59.140
first, you know. Both of you, you upset Phillip

00:19:59.140 --> 00:20:01.500
a little bit. I know you were. And, of course,

00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:05.420
Lindsey, technically, you had fucked up. But

00:20:05.420 --> 00:20:09.380
both of you got together and found out, hey,

00:20:09.500 --> 00:20:11.960
this can be bigger. You know what I mean? We

00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:14.680
can turn this, instead of a negative, turn it

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into a positive. I really commend both of y 'all

00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:22.920
for that. And like I said, it made you guys closer.

00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:26.720
It made your marriage better. And now look at

00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:30.460
you. You guys have gone from that to being in

00:20:30.460 --> 00:20:33.759
the vanilla lifestyle and now over into the hot

00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:36.319
wifing. So I commend you. I commend you both.

00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:40.160
So let me ask you guys. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead.

00:20:40.500 --> 00:20:42.559
No, no, no. Go ahead. Well, I was going to ask

00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:45.619
if you guys were going to give some advice to,

00:20:45.700 --> 00:20:49.000
you know, people that are in your situation.

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There's a lot of couples that start this journey

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with. some kind of infidelity on some level.

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And even if it's just conversation or what they

00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:02.460
call emotional cheating, right? So what advice

00:21:02.460 --> 00:21:05.420
would you give couples in that situation, you

00:21:05.420 --> 00:21:07.440
know, to kind of get over the hump and at least

00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:10.099
land where, you know, you guys landed if they

00:21:10.099 --> 00:21:15.960
want to, right? The thing that worked for us,

00:21:16.099 --> 00:21:18.579
I mean, of course, the first year was pretty

00:21:18.579 --> 00:21:21.160
rough, I think, when we first started getting

00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:26.789
into it. Because there was, you know, obviously

00:21:26.789 --> 00:21:28.369
you're going to know that you said moments of

00:21:28.369 --> 00:21:31.970
jealousy. You feel insecure. You feel insecure.

00:21:32.289 --> 00:21:35.630
You question. Is, you know, emotionally why,

00:21:35.750 --> 00:21:38.509
you know, for example, there is a particular

00:21:38.509 --> 00:21:45.029
guy that we met and it seemed like they were

00:21:45.029 --> 00:21:47.490
texting like constantly all the time. I'm like,

00:21:47.509 --> 00:21:50.049
well, why do you guys have to text so much? You

00:21:50.049 --> 00:21:52.099
know? Besides, Hey, how you doing? That's all

00:21:52.099 --> 00:21:54.059
you really need. You know, I thought this was

00:21:54.059 --> 00:21:56.859
more of a physical thing. You know what I'm saying?

00:21:57.480 --> 00:22:00.539
And that took me a little while to get over.

00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:01.880
Cause they would sit there and chit chat about

00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:04.599
all kinds of crap. You know, I didn't at the,

00:22:04.619 --> 00:22:06.720
in the beginning, I was like, Oh man, you know,

00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:10.400
that needs to stop, you know, but that's something

00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:13.220
I worked through and it wasn't like, okay, she's

00:22:13.220 --> 00:22:16.119
going to leave me for this. Yeah. You know, I

00:22:16.119 --> 00:22:19.000
just need, we need to realize that. But as a

00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:23.019
couple, The big, the key thing is to, if you

00:22:23.019 --> 00:22:26.400
have an experience, if you decide to do it, is

00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:29.720
seriously talk about every aspect of it when

00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:32.940
it's done. Not just the physical stuff. What

00:22:32.940 --> 00:22:35.059
were you thinking? How were you feeling? You

00:22:35.059 --> 00:22:37.920
know, when you looked over at me, what were you

00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:39.599
thinking? You know, that type of stuff. And we

00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:44.019
had to work through that. What was the other

00:22:44.019 --> 00:22:48.519
part I was going to go to? oh because you know

00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:51.099
there was times we'd go to lifestyle events you

00:22:51.099 --> 00:22:55.000
know because i would you know want to hook up

00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:59.039
too you know so and she would she'd have a difficulty

00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:04.099
with that seeing me like making out with some

00:23:04.099 --> 00:23:06.220
other woman and that took her a while to get

00:23:06.220 --> 00:23:12.059
over that you know um so that's we've we've gone

00:23:12.059 --> 00:23:17.380
100 miles since then And also for an event, we

00:23:17.380 --> 00:23:20.839
would always pause. Like if we're there, we're

00:23:20.839 --> 00:23:23.420
going to do check -ins. And we learned that from

00:23:23.420 --> 00:23:28.000
another podcast is emotional check -ins. So we

00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:30.619
say we'd be somewhere like a house party. Okay,

00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:33.279
after half an hour, let's go outside. Just you

00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:36.539
and me talk about what you're doing, how you're

00:23:36.539 --> 00:23:40.920
feeling, that type of thing. Because some people,

00:23:41.019 --> 00:23:44.160
you go to some of these events, you've seen it.

00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:46.279
Couples are just, like, glued to each other.

00:23:47.059 --> 00:23:49.460
Like, they won't separate from each other. You

00:23:49.460 --> 00:23:52.980
can always spot them. You know, they don't want

00:23:52.980 --> 00:23:55.680
to get out of each other's company for whatever

00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:58.980
reason. Comfort zone. Comfort zone. Yeah. Yeah.

00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:02.339
And we're so beyond that. We'll go to an event.

00:24:02.740 --> 00:24:04.759
I haven't seen you for, like, two hours. I'm

00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:07.700
like, what the hell? I just ate, like, 50 chips

00:24:07.700 --> 00:24:11.240
over here. We're real bad. We both just bounce

00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:13.359
around because we're both social animals when

00:24:13.359 --> 00:24:16.970
it comes to. you know, the events. Yeah, and

00:24:16.970 --> 00:24:19.630
trust is a huge thing too as well. I mean, you

00:24:19.630 --> 00:24:22.869
have to be completely open and honest and you

00:24:22.869 --> 00:24:25.390
have to dump all the goods out there. You have

00:24:25.390 --> 00:24:30.690
to, like, just dump it. Regardless of how much

00:24:30.690 --> 00:24:33.349
you think it may hurt or how it may come across

00:24:33.349 --> 00:24:37.130
or how it may sound, you have to dump it. And

00:24:37.130 --> 00:24:39.650
you have to trust the person that you love knowing

00:24:39.650 --> 00:24:41.609
that they will accept you the way that you are.

00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:45.859
They will accept it. They will just hug you and

00:24:45.859 --> 00:24:48.220
embrace you and enclose you all around and say,

00:24:48.259 --> 00:24:52.079
it's okay. I accept you and this is okay. One

00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:56.740
thing, well, you were. I was just going to show

00:24:56.740 --> 00:25:00.700
an example of a scenario that we were in. I think

00:25:00.700 --> 00:25:02.779
we'd been doing it like a couple of years and

00:25:02.779 --> 00:25:05.559
we were in an event and I couldn't find her.

00:25:05.740 --> 00:25:08.980
I'm like, where the hell is she? You know, she

00:25:08.980 --> 00:25:12.420
just disappeared. And I think I end up calling

00:25:12.420 --> 00:25:16.480
your phone and she's getting fucked. She's on

00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:18.039
the phone with me. She's like, oh, I'm like,

00:25:18.099 --> 00:25:20.759
where the fuck are you? And she's like, I'm in

00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:23.359
the downstairs bathroom, you know, just bent

00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:28.680
over the fucking sink or whatever. Yeah. I was

00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:31.180
like, okay, have fun. I'll be out in the loft.

00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:34.519
I'll be at the bar. Come find me when you're

00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:38.319
done, you know. But that's something, yes, some.

00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:40.660
couples i don't think they could handle that

00:25:40.660 --> 00:25:44.720
they would be emotionally just upset distraught

00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:48.720
yeah and we would we'd been with couples that

00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:55.900
was a hotel takeover the lindsey was i don't

00:25:55.900 --> 00:25:57.720
know how we could discuss anything right okay

00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:02.500
she's sucking his dick right and i'm with his

00:26:02.500 --> 00:26:07.759
girlfriend and you know i'm going to town she's

00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:11.950
over there and she looks over and just flips

00:26:11.950 --> 00:26:15.910
out i mean she lost because she like rips this

00:26:15.910 --> 00:26:19.009
necklace off of her neck and it was a necklace

00:26:19.009 --> 00:26:22.369
yeah something he made for her something the

00:26:22.369 --> 00:26:25.769
bees went everywhere the beads were all over

00:26:25.769 --> 00:26:27.990
the bathroom i'm thinking oh my god i'm not gonna

00:26:27.990 --> 00:26:29.849
make it back to my bed i'm gonna fall on these

00:26:29.849 --> 00:26:34.829
damn beads but went everywhere she lost her shit

00:26:35.609 --> 00:26:38.849
And I think the difference between us and maybe

00:26:38.849 --> 00:26:40.869
another couple, another couple would just like,

00:26:40.890 --> 00:26:43.990
we're out of here. They hit the door running.

00:26:44.829 --> 00:26:47.349
Lindsay actually took her into the bathroom,

00:26:47.589 --> 00:26:50.329
calmed her down, talked to her. You know, you

00:26:50.329 --> 00:26:52.670
need to talk to me. What are you feeling? And

00:26:52.670 --> 00:26:57.609
for me, and maybe it's because I'm a nurse and

00:26:57.609 --> 00:27:00.589
maybe because it's personable, I put both my

00:27:00.589 --> 00:27:04.660
hands on either side of her head. And I caressed

00:27:04.660 --> 00:27:06.500
her face, and I looked straight into her eyes,

00:27:06.539 --> 00:27:08.539
and I said, and it was very personal because

00:27:08.539 --> 00:27:13.339
I'm very meaningful, and I don't say things I

00:27:13.339 --> 00:27:16.660
don't mean. And if I say it, I fucking mean it.

00:27:16.980 --> 00:27:20.279
That's how it is. It's so important to be that

00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.980
type of person. And I told her, I said, just

00:27:22.980 --> 00:27:27.099
tell me. It's okay if you want to leave, if you

00:27:27.099 --> 00:27:30.940
feel bad. Like, just tell me. It's okay. But

00:27:30.940 --> 00:27:34.799
realize. We both accept you. It's okay. How do

00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:39.119
you feel? So, but she, she just, she was insecure

00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:42.099
and she, she felt bad. Yeah. I think that was

00:27:42.099 --> 00:27:44.380
their first thing. And they went to a lifestyle

00:27:44.380 --> 00:27:48.619
takeover. I'm like, oh my God. And we ended up

00:27:48.619 --> 00:27:51.359
talking to them. We, even after the event, they,

00:27:51.460 --> 00:27:54.319
they called us and said, thank you for helping

00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:57.420
us with that. Going through that. Yeah. Can you

00:27:57.420 --> 00:28:01.519
guys share? Oh, sorry. Yeah. Can you guys share

00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:06.059
what her initial concerns were or why she lost

00:28:06.059 --> 00:28:10.119
it? Like what were, was it seeing, seeing you?

00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:15.420
It was. Yeah. Seeing Lindsay go. Blessing him.

00:28:15.660 --> 00:28:19.920
Yeah. Going down on him and his reaction. Cause

00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:23.740
that's what the thing I like. I like looking

00:28:23.740 --> 00:28:27.319
at Lindsay and seeing her face when she's going,

00:28:27.420 --> 00:28:31.059
you know. But I could do it. Oh, but yes, I guess,

00:28:31.140 --> 00:28:33.660
Lindsay, you know, she's whatever. You could

00:28:33.660 --> 00:28:38.380
ask Brian. When I consume it, I consume it down

00:28:38.380 --> 00:28:43.079
to the ball. Oh, my God. So, you know, I think

00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:45.140
they were just dating at that. I looked over

00:28:45.140 --> 00:28:49.400
and she just, she lost control. She emotionally

00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:52.059
just broke down and like she said, grabbed it,

00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:54.799
necklace and ripped it off and beads flying everywhere.

00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:58.009
I'm like, I just stand back. you know he's like

00:28:58.009 --> 00:29:01.549
what the he didn't see that coming you know but

00:29:01.549 --> 00:29:03.789
we've been in a couple situations like that before

00:29:03.789 --> 00:29:07.829
um and you know some people they would just like

00:29:07.829 --> 00:29:10.970
screw that we're out of here you know so well

00:29:10.970 --> 00:29:13.769
i think too when you're we've we've had i think

00:29:13.769 --> 00:29:17.250
only one moment like that right something like

00:29:17.250 --> 00:29:19.230
that was that the only one we had in the club

00:29:19.230 --> 00:29:23.170
yeah and you don't even know that it's gonna

00:29:23.170 --> 00:29:27.839
happen like you don't feel it coming on You know,

00:29:27.859 --> 00:29:32.400
maybe you want to tell it, babe? I like the way

00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:36.660
you tell it. Okay. So we were at a club that

00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:39.559
we had been to a few times and really had enjoyed

00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:41.740
ourselves. It was actually the first one we went

00:29:41.740 --> 00:29:45.039
to together. And maybe this was like our third

00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.500
or fourth time there. We'd had quite a few experiences.

00:29:48.900 --> 00:29:52.579
And, you know, for us, full swap has always been

00:29:52.579 --> 00:29:55.900
a little bit challenging. you know, just finding

00:29:55.900 --> 00:29:57.880
that four -way connection. Well, it was towards

00:29:57.880 --> 00:29:59.859
the end of the night, we kind of were like, we

00:29:59.859 --> 00:30:01.960
didn't have, you know, it wasn't a really busy

00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:04.519
night for us that night. And then we started

00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:06.160
talking to this couple, like, towards the very

00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.960
end, and then, you know, we're like, hey, do

00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:11.680
you guys want to go play? And so, you know, first

00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:13.880
we focused on her, and then we moved on to where

00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:17.000
we were full swapping. And man, everything was

00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:21.619
going great. She was riding Socrates, I was riding

00:30:21.619 --> 00:30:24.700
her man, like... It was going great. Well, then

00:30:24.700 --> 00:30:26.779
the guys flipped us over. They were, like, mirroring

00:30:26.779 --> 00:30:29.220
each other, you know, like some... I don't know

00:30:29.220 --> 00:30:31.440
if you've ever seen the end of Magic Mike, and

00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:33.339
they have that whole mirror scene. Like, it was

00:30:33.339 --> 00:30:35.420
kind of like that. So they're mirroring each

00:30:35.420 --> 00:30:37.039
other, what they were positions they were putting

00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:40.859
us in. And I was face down, ass up, so was she.

00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:43.799
Socrates was on her, he was on me. It was going

00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:47.740
great. I was really enjoying myself. And in the

00:30:47.740 --> 00:30:51.160
beginning, we had a lot more rules and boundaries.

00:30:51.819 --> 00:30:55.319
than we do now, and one of the things was that

00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:58.799
I wasn't allowed to say, yes, sir, to anybody

00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:02.680
else. So I'm face down, like, in this pillow,

00:31:02.859 --> 00:31:06.200
just screaming and yelling and whatever, and

00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:11.619
I say, yes. Socrates hears, yes, sir. And he

00:31:11.619 --> 00:31:15.099
loses it. And he starts smacking me on the side

00:31:15.099 --> 00:31:17.059
of my booty, and he's like, stop, stop, stop,

00:31:17.299 --> 00:31:19.859
stop, stop. And I'm like thinking, what the heck?

00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.640
What's going on? And then he's like, oh, oh,

00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:24.640
just doesn't matter. Just doesn't matter. And

00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:26.240
then he wraps a towel around himself and just

00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:29.920
takes off. And the couple is like, what the fuck

00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:33.960
just happened? And I'm like, well, the only thing

00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.839
I can think of, I said, is that maybe he thinks

00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:39.319
that I said something that I'm not supposed to,

00:31:39.500 --> 00:31:43.640
but I don't quite know what that would be. So

00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:46.680
I'm going to go talk to him. man, I had a great

00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:49.480
time with you guys. And I'm sorry that it kind

00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:51.460
of went sideways, but like, you guys are awesome.

00:31:51.579 --> 00:31:53.940
You didn't do anything wrong. Like, you know,

00:31:53.940 --> 00:31:56.759
everything will be fine, you know? So they were

00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:59.400
just confused. And then I went and found him

00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:02.339
and, you know, he just, I couldn't really calm

00:32:02.339 --> 00:32:05.920
him down. So we just left. And, you know, then

00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:08.519
the next, you know, the next day he, you know,

00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:10.660
we went and got our McDonald's like we always

00:32:10.660 --> 00:32:14.599
do after we go to a lifestyle thing. You know,

00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:18.000
and he was just upset. And the next day, though,

00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:21.920
he was like, I think I just had a moment of jealousy

00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:26.079
where I realized how much I love you. And we

00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:28.240
hadn't been dating that long. We were maybe like...

00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:33.440
seven, eight months at that time. Well, since

00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:35.980
we met. So we'd only been official for like two

00:32:35.980 --> 00:32:38.880
or three months. So that was just a moment for

00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:41.319
him where he thought he heard something and then

00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:44.299
had the jealousy and realized, wow, it's actually

00:32:44.299 --> 00:32:47.339
because I really fucking love this woman, not

00:32:47.339 --> 00:32:51.000
because I'm just jealous of a couple words. And

00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:53.539
going back to what Lindsey said, I was that guy

00:32:53.539 --> 00:32:56.740
who said, I don't have any jealousy. And I would

00:32:56.740 --> 00:33:00.059
tell all these stories of like, me not really

00:33:00.059 --> 00:33:03.259
tripping about it. But when I did that... Like

00:33:03.259 --> 00:33:06.220
you said, you don't expect those feelings to

00:33:06.220 --> 00:33:10.720
come up in the moment. So when I saw it, I surprised

00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:15.720
myself because I never react that way. And, you

00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:18.759
know, even after that, it's hard to get me to

00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:23.259
be jealous. So, yeah, it was just a huge indicator

00:33:23.259 --> 00:33:26.559
for me how I felt about her. No, you're just

00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:30.220
human, brother. That's all, okay? I don't care

00:33:30.220 --> 00:33:33.529
how long you... been married I don't care how

00:33:33.529 --> 00:33:37.009
long you've been a bull or when you were single

00:33:37.009 --> 00:33:39.190
and you were doing what you were doing you still

00:33:39.190 --> 00:33:43.309
are human right and we all get jealous some point

00:33:43.309 --> 00:33:46.430
in time you know it might happen once maybe maybe

00:33:46.430 --> 00:33:49.470
twice but everybody's been jealous okay even

00:33:49.470 --> 00:33:53.390
yours truly over here and that's that's pretty

00:33:53.390 --> 00:33:55.829
much exactly what I was going to say is we we

00:33:55.829 --> 00:33:59.490
are an emotional being you know you can't really

00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:02.980
anticipate what you're going to feel in the moment

00:34:02.980 --> 00:34:07.279
and the important part of it is like you two

00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:09.440
after you were done you went to McDowell you

00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:13.739
talked about it and that's what we do you got

00:34:13.739 --> 00:34:17.619
to reconnect reset figure out okay what could

00:34:17.619 --> 00:34:21.110
we possibly do next time that prevent this but

00:34:21.110 --> 00:34:24.170
also you're providing and you're you're you're

00:34:24.170 --> 00:34:27.210
putting in the time to reconnect in that moment

00:34:27.210 --> 00:34:30.070
I mean because if you really didn't care and

00:34:30.070 --> 00:34:32.590
you really didn't love each other would you actually

00:34:32.590 --> 00:34:35.989
be sitting in a damn McDonald's with somebody

00:34:35.989 --> 00:34:39.730
I mean no you do that because you love each other

00:34:39.730 --> 00:34:42.349
and you're resetting and you're reconnecting

00:34:42.349 --> 00:34:45.190
and you're saying it's okay I felt this way because

00:34:45.190 --> 00:34:48.679
of this and this and this and this And we're

00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:50.920
going to talk about it. It's all going to be

00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:53.840
okay. It's all going to work out and we'll do

00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:56.940
something different next time and just jump over

00:34:56.940 --> 00:34:59.880
the next hurdle. A lot of the things in the lifestyle

00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:02.800
are about hurdles. I really, really truly believe

00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:05.139
that. It's about learning. It's about evolving,

00:35:05.420 --> 00:35:09.380
constantly evolving. It's about self -education.

00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:15.449
It's about communication. One of my biggest things,

00:35:15.650 --> 00:35:18.889
and I told Philip this, a gajillion bazillion...

00:35:18.889 --> 00:35:22.409
You have a number? You know what? You know what?

00:35:22.429 --> 00:35:27.150
Zip it. It's my gajillion bazillion. Well, I

00:35:27.150 --> 00:35:29.610
also like what you said about, like, just being

00:35:29.610 --> 00:35:32.429
supportive of that person, because I think it's

00:35:32.429 --> 00:35:34.110
worth revisiting, and it's probably something

00:35:34.110 --> 00:35:36.730
Socrates and I need to revisit, is taking those

00:35:36.730 --> 00:35:41.429
emotional breaks, because we've kind of got complacent.

00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:43.960
at parties and different things. We're too good

00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:47.559
at Splash, but it's more like I have to communicate,

00:35:47.980 --> 00:35:50.079
but I think that we might need to just go back

00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:54.199
to some of those because I think sometimes, you

00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:58.119
know, it's just important that whatever we're

00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:00.380
feeling, that we still, like the other person,

00:36:00.420 --> 00:36:03.760
knows that, you know, that you love them, that

00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:07.079
it's okay, like... you know, we'll get through

00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:09.559
it together because sometimes I have emotional

00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:13.039
moments and I'm just like, why are these still

00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:16.980
happening sometimes? And, you know, and it may

00:36:16.980 --> 00:36:19.659
be something completely unrelated that just like

00:36:19.659 --> 00:36:23.960
popped in my head. So, you know. Yeah. You know,

00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:26.260
you guys had a lot longer together like than

00:36:26.260 --> 00:36:31.159
we were like, hey, excuse me. My name is Socrates

00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:35.900
and I'm Siren. And two weeks after we met, We

00:36:35.900 --> 00:36:39.679
just, I know, knew about the lifestyle and four

00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:42.519
months later we were in it, you know? So, um,

00:36:42.739 --> 00:36:45.559
you know, I come to appreciate all, you know,

00:36:45.579 --> 00:36:48.280
all the different ways that people entered the

00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:50.920
lifestyle too. And, and the longevity. Yeah.

00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:53.079
I, I want to start getting into some of the,

00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:57.119
uh, claim training on things, but I wanted to,

00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:59.679
you know, since we're this, you know, we're doing

00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:02.760
a podcast, I want to shout out that couple next

00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:05.500
door podcast. I don't know if they ever hear

00:37:05.500 --> 00:37:09.679
us. One of the reasons why I did that is because

00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:13.780
that couple next door started in the lifestyle

00:37:13.780 --> 00:37:20.420
as a couple. And they really stressed the importance

00:37:20.420 --> 00:37:24.519
of communication, having rules and boundaries,

00:37:24.820 --> 00:37:29.800
you know, honoring each other's, you know, insecurities

00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:32.360
and whatnot. And I learned a lot from that. from

00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:34.900
that podcast, you know, as well as a lot of other

00:37:34.900 --> 00:37:38.840
ones because I was a podcast junkie. But yeah,

00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:42.800
I just think I knew we can handle it. I knew

00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:47.219
that we could manage the complexities of the

00:37:47.219 --> 00:37:50.699
lifestyle because I knew other couples were doing

00:37:50.699 --> 00:37:54.039
it by the time that I introduced it to her. Unless

00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:56.239
you guys want to, you know, maybe finish up some

00:37:56.239 --> 00:37:57.940
thoughts, I did want to kind of get into the

00:37:57.940 --> 00:38:00.760
claim, train, and own from especially Phillip's

00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:07.170
perspective. No, I mean, I think we covered,

00:38:07.269 --> 00:38:09.550
I mean, in a future podcast, if you have any

00:38:09.550 --> 00:38:11.590
further questions or things that I think of,

00:38:11.710 --> 00:38:16.170
I know I wanted to hit up on those, you know,

00:38:16.170 --> 00:38:20.030
the communication and then what helps us, because

00:38:20.030 --> 00:38:23.090
that may help a future couple. Yeah, well, let's

00:38:23.090 --> 00:38:26.909
talk about it. Let's get into it. No, that's

00:38:26.909 --> 00:38:29.429
what he did talk about. Oh, okay. He's saying

00:38:29.429 --> 00:38:33.480
he covered it. Okay, gotcha. Well, you know me.

00:38:33.500 --> 00:38:39.199
I can go deep. What is your communication style?

00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:41.760
Can you break down the fundamentals? How deep

00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:44.539
can you guys really go? What's the depth that

00:38:44.539 --> 00:38:48.900
Lindsay and I would enjoy? The biggest thing

00:38:48.900 --> 00:38:52.219
is we're a couple. We're going to have our blow

00:38:52.219 --> 00:38:54.579
up. So we're going to say stupid shit back and

00:38:54.579 --> 00:38:56.719
forth, you know, and that's going to happen.

00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:00.780
But in that. And that you say things you don't

00:39:00.780 --> 00:39:02.619
mean, but you're actually saying things that

00:39:02.619 --> 00:39:07.099
are on your mind. So once we separate from that,

00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:09.860
you know, talk about it, sit back the next day

00:39:09.860 --> 00:39:12.960
while we're calm, we'll talk about those things.

00:39:13.500 --> 00:39:18.519
Even if it's 24 hours and you're still in the

00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:21.840
same space inside the house, you make dinner,

00:39:21.980 --> 00:39:24.119
you're doing laundry, he's watching sports and

00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:27.659
football. process and give it time silence sometimes

00:39:27.659 --> 00:39:33.139
is like fucking gold just let it process let

00:39:33.139 --> 00:39:38.239
it let things happen organically um that i think

00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:42.280
is a good thing too as well yep and no you know

00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:45.119
don't really address it in the moment you know

00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:48.300
uh that's where i think a lot of people they

00:39:48.300 --> 00:39:51.760
just stay angry it's like no you gotta calm down

00:39:52.619 --> 00:39:55.820
I'll realize, hey. Don't I even try to talk about

00:39:55.820 --> 00:39:59.199
it when the pot's boiling? It's internal. Yeah.

00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:03.860
Oh, it's human nature. I just got up, got in

00:40:03.860 --> 00:40:05.619
my gut, dressed. It's like two in the morning.

00:40:05.739 --> 00:40:08.420
Got in my truck and drove away. I went and parked

00:40:08.420 --> 00:40:11.039
in the parking lot for an hour. Knowing that

00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:13.019
I was asleep and he came back. Oh, no, you were

00:40:13.019 --> 00:40:14.780
texting the hell out of your blue on my damn

00:40:14.780 --> 00:40:19.199
phone up. where the hell are you know that whole

00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:21.380
thing I was like hey we just before we get angry

00:40:21.380 --> 00:40:24.880
I'm just gonna go drive away you know and that

00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:29.219
helped you know but that's it's a process everything

00:40:29.219 --> 00:40:34.099
is a process I mean but whenever um I like to

00:40:34.099 --> 00:40:37.940
make this kind of like a decent point so I think

00:40:37.940 --> 00:40:41.980
that um whenever we're talking about playing

00:40:41.980 --> 00:40:48.940
in party situations we're just like nuances like

00:40:48.940 --> 00:40:50.940
you're you're meeting somebody new for the first

00:40:50.940 --> 00:40:55.820
time that's different but I think that what we

00:40:55.820 --> 00:40:59.559
have what Brian and Philip and I have is something

00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:03.360
that's completely different um kind of like jogging

00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:06.760
into or pushing towards that direction um it

00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:09.239
was somewhat of a difficult situation because

00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:12.099
I think that of course at some point in time

00:41:12.099 --> 00:41:16.460
Philip realized that holy crap my wife is like

00:41:16.460 --> 00:41:21.199
really putting a lot of time and a lot of conversation

00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:24.900
into this person. And he realizes that whenever

00:41:24.900 --> 00:41:27.760
I talk about Brian, when he's not there or when,

00:41:27.820 --> 00:41:32.659
you know, after we are meeting up with him, I

00:41:32.659 --> 00:41:35.340
would talk about something. He could sense, because

00:41:35.340 --> 00:41:37.440
we've been married for so long, he could sense

00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.980
that there's a deeper connection than what I've

00:41:40.980 --> 00:41:46.090
had with anybody else in my entire life. I will

00:41:46.090 --> 00:41:49.690
say spinning off of that as far as for myself

00:41:49.690 --> 00:41:54.309
and then talking to Philip. And I think I mentioned

00:41:54.309 --> 00:41:58.469
before I'm a psych nurse. So understanding how

00:41:58.469 --> 00:42:01.809
to talk to people and how to look at situations

00:42:01.809 --> 00:42:05.250
from different aspects is huge, huge, huge, huge.

00:42:05.949 --> 00:42:10.440
But coming to this and talking. It is. I mean,

00:42:10.460 --> 00:42:13.739
you have to be able to look at a situation from

00:42:13.739 --> 00:42:17.300
85 different aspects. But coming to Phillip and

00:42:17.300 --> 00:42:24.139
saying, look, have you ever thought ever once

00:42:24.139 --> 00:42:27.380
in your life that you've only loved one person

00:42:27.380 --> 00:42:30.960
in your entire fucking life? You want to love

00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:35.920
your mama? No, because you love me. Wait a second.

00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:40.260
We have four kids. So do you only love your mama?

00:42:40.340 --> 00:42:43.019
Do you only love me? Oh, wait, you love four

00:42:43.019 --> 00:42:47.760
kids. Is it humanly possible to love multiple

00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:54.039
people? Is it humanly possible to have relationships

00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:56.880
with people, respect them and respect their boundaries

00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:01.679
and understand and talk and talk and talk and

00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:06.119
get all this information, but understand where

00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:11.500
everybody stands? but also love people in different

00:43:11.500 --> 00:43:16.719
situations. Hell yeah. Absolutely. It is completely

00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:21.119
possible. It is so damn possible, and that's

00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:23.219
what we do, and that's who we are, and that's

00:43:23.219 --> 00:43:26.139
where we are in our life. So let's get into that.

00:43:26.300 --> 00:43:30.300
So you guys pretty much have a polyamorous relationship

00:43:30.300 --> 00:43:33.800
between the three of you guys, and I wanted to

00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:38.809
really dig deep into Phillip's... perspective

00:43:38.809 --> 00:43:41.869
on the claiming part. So, you know, in the previous

00:43:41.869 --> 00:43:44.269
episode, we talked about claim, train, and own.

00:43:44.769 --> 00:43:48.590
That's right, Brian. That's the right three.

00:43:50.309 --> 00:43:54.150
That's it. In order. And so, Phillip, what's

00:43:54.150 --> 00:43:57.250
your perspective on the claiming part? Like when

00:43:57.250 --> 00:44:01.150
Brian... Right. So, I mean, yeah, let's dig deep.

00:44:01.210 --> 00:44:04.090
Like, I'm in the military. You're ex -military.

00:44:04.090 --> 00:44:05.869
I mean, I'm ex -military. You're ex -military.

00:44:06.429 --> 00:44:09.929
Brian served a long time. I probably served the

00:44:09.929 --> 00:44:12.670
shortest. I feel like all three of us are masculine

00:44:12.670 --> 00:44:16.409
men who are, you know, capable of violence. You

00:44:16.409 --> 00:44:18.769
know what I'm saying? I mean, you know, so I

00:44:18.769 --> 00:44:22.110
know how we feel. I can imagine you being extremely

00:44:22.110 --> 00:44:24.349
protective of your family. I can imagine you

00:44:24.349 --> 00:44:28.369
being someone who is an authority figure, right?

00:44:28.469 --> 00:44:31.230
But now you have another man, a black man at

00:44:31.230 --> 00:44:34.650
that, saying he's claiming you guys. Like, what's

00:44:34.650 --> 00:44:37.800
your perspective on that? You know, tell our

00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:42.780
listeners, like, how you think about him. Well,

00:44:42.860 --> 00:44:46.139
I definitely don't look at it as, you know, there's

00:44:46.139 --> 00:44:48.440
different. You got your cucks, the guys that

00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:52.300
are submissive. You know, that is not me at all.

00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:56.320
You know, I look at Brian as we're, like, equals.

00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:02.500
As far as very much so. Very much so. Man to

00:45:02.500 --> 00:45:07.280
man. Exactly. That's our relationship. Because

00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.599
I got to know him. I trust him. We've gone out

00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:14.679
multiple times as three of us. My nerdy dates

00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:18.159
that I tried to make both of my men's do, I'm

00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:20.639
like, let's go axe throwing. We all sucked at

00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:23.360
that shit. I'm like, let's go do this. Let's

00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:26.820
go do that. I hate axe throwing. I never want

00:45:26.820 --> 00:45:31.579
to go again. I hate it. I love it. Siren hates

00:45:31.579 --> 00:45:35.719
the axe throwing. It hurts my shoulder. Girl,

00:45:35.780 --> 00:45:38.619
the only great picture of the ax ring was a picture

00:45:38.619 --> 00:45:41.860
of both of my man's asses at the same time because

00:45:41.860 --> 00:45:45.659
I was like, I hate this shit. Yeah, that was

00:45:45.659 --> 00:45:47.840
actually our second date and I kicked his ass

00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:50.019
and then after that it was all downhill. I was

00:45:50.019 --> 00:45:53.559
terrible at it after that and I didn't like it.

00:45:53.820 --> 00:45:58.139
Anyways, but back to Phillip. Yeah, I think that

00:45:58.139 --> 00:46:02.179
was my first attempt to go do something. Just

00:46:02.179 --> 00:46:04.380
outside of, okay, we're going to get together.

00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:08.139
We're going to go to the hotel. This is something.

00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:14.079
Hey, let me say this. Socrates, do you remember

00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:19.440
when I was describing a bull, like I want to

00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:21.840
say on the Keys and Anchors podcast or something

00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:24.780
like that? Yes. And I was saying that one of

00:46:24.780 --> 00:46:29.260
the greatest qualities of a good bull. is blending

00:46:29.260 --> 00:46:33.000
in to an already what? Loving relationship. Right,

00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:37.440
sir. Yes, sir. That was what, that's a prime

00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.639
example of what I was doing, like going out,

00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:42.760
throwing a damn ax with them. You know what I'm

00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:46.579
saying? I'm blending in. I'm blending in to what,

00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:48.159
you know what I'm saying, they wanted to do.

00:46:48.500 --> 00:46:51.500
I know I sucked at it, but at the same time,

00:46:51.619 --> 00:46:54.099
I was going to throw that ax as many times as

00:46:54.099 --> 00:46:56.699
they wanted me to, to let them see that, hey,

00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.559
I'm there for you. You know what I mean? I'm

00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:03.039
enjoying the couple. I'm enjoying the time with

00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:05.199
you all. I don't care what we're doing right

00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:07.380
now. If we're throwing the axe or we're sitting

00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:09.940
down talking or whatever, it didn't matter to

00:47:09.940 --> 00:47:13.099
me. I was just enjoying the time with them. So

00:47:13.099 --> 00:47:15.579
that's what I mean by you blending into an already

00:47:15.579 --> 00:47:19.239
existing and loving relationship. So that's a

00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:22.679
part of the claiming process also. All right.

00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:24.980
It's a part of the claiming process. Interesting.

00:47:25.139 --> 00:47:28.199
And I think that's kind of like key to like females

00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:31.840
as well, because I will tell you another date,

00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:35.920
amazing date that we went on. We went up to,

00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:38.699
what was it, Raleigh? And you already know this

00:47:38.699 --> 00:47:41.300
story I'm telling. Yes. We went to the mall.

00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:43.420
We did all kinds of stuff. But then we ended

00:47:43.420 --> 00:47:48.039
up at Dave and Buster's. Dave and Buster's. Yes.

00:47:48.340 --> 00:47:52.320
Okay. I'm a nerd. I get excited about these things

00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:54.340
and I'm like, oh, I want to do this. I want to

00:47:54.340 --> 00:47:57.579
do this. I want to do this. So Phillip was so

00:47:57.579 --> 00:48:00.480
concerned because our daughter was supposed to

00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:02.300
have a friend that came over and spent the night.

00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:05.119
And he was like, I have to get home. I have to

00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:06.900
clean. I have to do this. I have to do this.

00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.619
He was like, I really need to go. And then as

00:48:09.619 --> 00:48:12.079
we're like sitting there eating like our lunch.

00:48:12.979 --> 00:48:16.000
and I've convinced both of them to buy me 85

00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:18.500
freaking Dave and Buster cards to give me all

00:48:18.500 --> 00:48:20.760
the points I can get, right? Because then we'll

00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:24.360
play some games. He's like, I've got to go home.

00:48:24.500 --> 00:48:26.840
He's getting frustrated, and I can see it on

00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:31.219
his face, and he's like, I said, look. I said,

00:48:31.260 --> 00:48:34.480
just go. Go, go, go. I can feel it. I can see

00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:37.039
that you're not feeling it right now. It's okay.

00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:40.099
And I hear you. You're wanting to go home to

00:48:40.099 --> 00:48:42.860
make sure that our daughter has a good hangover

00:48:42.860 --> 00:48:46.000
with her friend. And so from there, Phillip leaves.

00:48:46.699 --> 00:48:48.880
And I'm feeling kind of nerdy. All the games

00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:52.059
I want to play. Little kids are in my damn games.

00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:54.500
I'm about to beat some kids up. I'm about to

00:48:54.500 --> 00:48:58.860
hurt some kids. So we walk over. We find a couple

00:48:58.860 --> 00:49:00.380
different things. And we start playing games.

00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:04.480
We play a lot of games. By the end of the day.

00:49:04.940 --> 00:49:07.119
We were there for what? How long were we there,

00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:10.460
Brian? I don't know. It was a good minute, though.

00:49:10.539 --> 00:49:13.340
I was 10 years old again on a couple of them

00:49:13.340 --> 00:49:17.440
damn games. Yeah, I was whooping your ass. I

00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:19.219
forgot what the one game was, but it was like

00:49:19.219 --> 00:49:23.659
the military game. I was killing you. I was killing

00:49:23.659 --> 00:49:25.820
you. But I was having a great time, though. I

00:49:25.820 --> 00:49:28.619
was having a great time. Yeah, I was sweating.

00:49:28.940 --> 00:49:33.579
Actually, it was like, okay. And let me stop

00:49:33.579 --> 00:49:35.940
you to say this. Here again, I'm backtracking,

00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:40.599
Socrates. What is that a part of? What do I always

00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:43.800
say I want to do with a couple? And that would

00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.420
not have happened had Phillip and I had that

00:49:46.420 --> 00:49:49.840
rapport already. He knew that I was going to

00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:53.480
do what? Respect her, protect her, and then love

00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:57.320
her, correct? Right. Okay, that's an example

00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:00.079
of that. You see what I'm saying? All of this

00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:04.289
stuff comes into key. you know, comes all together

00:50:04.289 --> 00:50:07.809
when you start developing that trust, developing

00:50:07.809 --> 00:50:10.389
that rapport. You know, like I said, he and I,

00:50:10.409 --> 00:50:12.510
I knew he had to get back. I could see it in

00:50:12.510 --> 00:50:14.610
the face too. I could see that, you know, hey,

00:50:14.690 --> 00:50:16.630
he's a dad. He wants to get back to make sure

00:50:16.630 --> 00:50:19.010
his daughter is all right. But at the same time,

00:50:19.030 --> 00:50:20.789
he wants to make sure his wife is good also.

00:50:21.289 --> 00:50:24.789
And I think that he knew, hey, I trust Brian

00:50:24.789 --> 00:50:27.389
completely, you know, completely. And she'll

00:50:27.389 --> 00:50:30.190
be fine with him. So here again, that's part

00:50:30.190 --> 00:50:33.960
of that respect, protect, and love. Yeah, in

00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:38.519
the moment, I wasn't upset with them. I was like,

00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:41.760
okay, I got to get going. Yeah, we were having

00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:44.460
fun. We had kind of a late start that morning.

00:50:45.059 --> 00:50:47.139
By the time we got to David Buster, I was like,

00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:50.920
look at my watch and stuff. And I knew she was

00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:54.139
in good hands. So I had to beat Pete and get

00:50:54.139 --> 00:50:58.980
out of there. But let me tell you. to actually

00:50:58.980 --> 00:51:02.780
look over and drag Brian into this gaming thing

00:51:02.780 --> 00:51:05.420
that was like 3D. It was like The Walking Dead.

00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:08.659
I'm in there sweating. I'm hustling. I'm hollering.

00:51:08.900 --> 00:51:11.539
I'm all kinds of stuff. I look over and he goes,

00:51:11.699 --> 00:51:15.840
listen, I've never done this. I've never played

00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:18.139
video games with a woman in my entire life. I

00:51:18.139 --> 00:51:22.440
said, oh. Was completely out of my comfort zone

00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.699
as far as things that I do. Was loving every

00:51:25.699 --> 00:51:28.599
minute of it, you know? That's how I knew then

00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:33.099
that, yeah, nerdy as fuck, but hey, I mean, you

00:51:33.099 --> 00:51:36.880
know. In your comfort zone, and I kind of love

00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:40.079
that, that you're willing to do something you're

00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:42.139
not comfortable with on your own for your entire

00:51:42.139 --> 00:51:44.320
life, and you've never really done anything.

00:51:45.139 --> 00:51:50.260
My entire life, brother, has been either as a

00:51:50.260 --> 00:51:55.920
troublemaker or a escort, okay? My favorite fraternity

00:51:55.920 --> 00:52:02.340
is MeFi Me. So I didn't know anything else but

00:52:02.340 --> 00:52:06.179
me, you know what I mean? And to have not only

00:52:06.179 --> 00:52:09.860
a lady, but her husband, to have a couple that

00:52:09.860 --> 00:52:13.260
I enjoy being around and being with and talking

00:52:13.260 --> 00:52:17.119
to, and somebody who actually understands, like,

00:52:17.179 --> 00:52:20.159
my conversations, you know? I was like, okay,

00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:23.019
something ain't right here. Something ain't right.

00:52:23.099 --> 00:52:26.039
Why am I driving back to Wilson and I have them

00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:28.460
on my mind? You know what I mean? Because usually

00:52:28.460 --> 00:52:31.639
I'm more than done. You're coming out of that

00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:34.519
comfort zone, you know, and that's why we just

00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:38.699
a good friendship. Well, I want to jump on top

00:52:38.699 --> 00:52:41.639
of that one. So with that being said, Philip,

00:52:41.780 --> 00:52:45.719
with that being said, brother, like, talk to

00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:49.159
me about the training part. So is that equal

00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:52.920
thing too? Or like, how does that dynamic come

00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:59.119
into play with you, Philip? uh with me i'm not

00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:03.960
sure well does it really apply to me as far as

00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:08.780
because i know they have there are certain things

00:53:08.780 --> 00:53:12.079
where um i'm gonna say i'm non -trainable uh

00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:18.099
yeah okay i'm wild as hell no you barely i'm

00:53:18.099 --> 00:53:20.840
teasing i'm teasing that's more i think of their

00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:24.619
two aspect i i guess south side something different

00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:34.280
I don't really. Phillip is not, like I said before,

00:53:34.380 --> 00:53:37.980
he's no way near a cuckold. So really the training

00:53:37.980 --> 00:53:41.400
aspect for him really doesn't apply. You know

00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:45.039
what I mean? It really does not apply. It would

00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:47.739
apply for cuckold couples. Is that what you're

00:53:47.739 --> 00:53:52.139
saying? Yeah. Yeah. For the real cuckold couple,

00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:54.969
it would. For Phillip, the training aspect is

00:53:54.969 --> 00:53:59.510
him getting used to me being around a lot. You

00:53:59.510 --> 00:54:02.190
know what I mean? Not just being that one and

00:54:02.190 --> 00:54:04.409
done, but the fact that, you know, yeah, we talk,

00:54:04.409 --> 00:54:07.989
you know, regularly. You know, I do see her now

00:54:07.989 --> 00:54:11.909
regularly. And just, you know, just being a part.

00:54:12.429 --> 00:54:14.590
Him knowing that, hey, there's somebody else

00:54:14.590 --> 00:54:16.809
that's a part of, you know, a part of their life.

00:54:17.210 --> 00:54:20.190
So that's the training for him. You know, now

00:54:20.190 --> 00:54:23.309
the training for Lindsey. The transfer baby girl

00:54:23.309 --> 00:54:27.150
is different. It's different. And I've told her

00:54:27.150 --> 00:54:31.469
that I actually held back on a whole lot of things

00:54:31.469 --> 00:54:37.010
up until recently. And here again, it's been

00:54:37.010 --> 00:54:41.110
almost, what, two years now? Yeah. It's been

00:54:41.110 --> 00:54:44.570
almost two years. But due to the fact that I

00:54:44.570 --> 00:54:49.130
did like her and them so much, I wasn't able

00:54:49.130 --> 00:54:53.960
to. to turn it on or, in my other words, open

00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:57.880
up Pandora's box all the way at first. Okay?

00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:05.340
That's the kind of stuff that I like because

00:55:05.340 --> 00:55:10.340
she'll come back and like, holy fuck, what did

00:55:10.340 --> 00:55:15.780
he, he's been holding out on me. What the hell

00:55:15.780 --> 00:55:19.340
happened? So she would dive into the details.

00:55:22.190 --> 00:55:25.969
Yeah. Yeah, because I know damn well she was,

00:55:26.070 --> 00:55:28.610
at one point in time, she was thinking, oh, he's

00:55:28.610 --> 00:55:31.730
not Dom. He's not a dominant. He can't be dominant.

00:55:31.929 --> 00:55:35.530
All right. Well, I shut her up. I shut her up

00:55:35.530 --> 00:55:39.809
recently on that one. Okay. And then I changed

00:55:39.809 --> 00:55:42.789
gears. I went from second gear to fifth as far

00:55:42.789 --> 00:55:44.829
as showing her that I'm still a porn star at

00:55:44.829 --> 00:55:50.239
my age also. All right. So, you know. She's starting

00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:53.400
to get the opening of Pandora's box now. And

00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:54.880
believe me, I just opened it another quarter

00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:57.659
way. I haven't opened it all the way yet. So,

00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:00.719
you know, that's the training. That's the training.

00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:03.239
And that's all a part of the mind game also.

00:56:03.860 --> 00:56:06.119
You know what I mean? You never, ever, never,

00:56:06.300 --> 00:56:10.500
ever give her everything at one time. Never.

00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:14.980
Because she will get used to that and she will

00:56:14.980 --> 00:56:17.099
think, okay, every time it's got to be this way.

00:56:17.380 --> 00:56:20.059
Hell no. You don't give her that, all right?

00:56:20.139 --> 00:56:24.960
You tease. You play. You give a little. You take

00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:28.059
back. You give more. You take back more, all

00:56:28.059 --> 00:56:31.940
right? Then someday, someday, she will get the

00:56:31.940 --> 00:56:34.480
whole package, okay? But for right now, though,

00:56:34.539 --> 00:56:36.440
she's still thinking, like, what is he going

00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:39.260
to do next to me? What is he going to do next?

00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:41.719
And that's what makes it. That's what makes it

00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:46.369
fulfilling for me, all right? And I think I speak

00:56:46.369 --> 00:56:48.710
for Philip also because Philip likes to say,

00:56:50.090 --> 00:56:52.750
I keep her on her toes. And you got to keep her

00:56:52.750 --> 00:56:56.250
on her toes 24 -7. And that's any woman. You

00:56:56.250 --> 00:57:00.070
got to keep her on her toes 24 -7. And really,

00:57:00.250 --> 00:57:03.489
I'll just put this in there. She's a submissive

00:57:03.489 --> 00:57:08.309
brat. You are a submissive brat. I think that's

00:57:08.309 --> 00:57:12.510
what sirens do. Yes, a submissive brat. And that's

00:57:12.510 --> 00:57:16.389
the best way to describe it. But I don't get

00:57:16.389 --> 00:57:19.389
punished often enough. Let me just say that.

00:57:19.570 --> 00:57:23.769
So then I'm even worse. See, it's not so much

00:57:23.769 --> 00:57:26.989
about prop punishment. It's the mind control.

00:57:27.369 --> 00:57:31.610
It's the mind fuck. That's what it is. The mind

00:57:31.610 --> 00:57:38.190
fuck. Let's see. I will say the mind fuck actually

00:57:38.190 --> 00:57:41.449
puts me in my place. And the mind fuck makes

00:57:41.449 --> 00:57:46.239
me. realize that I need to step back and just

00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:49.440
say, hold on a second. I need to be respectful.

00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:52.780
I need to, oh, oh, I want to fuck. Oh, nope,

00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:57.420
yep, yep. I'll be okay. I need to listen and

00:57:57.420 --> 00:58:00.179
I need to be okay. The mind fuck fucks me up

00:58:00.179 --> 00:58:04.360
bad. Yeah, just like, yeah, just like. The mind

00:58:04.360 --> 00:58:07.360
part doesn't work on me. The physical punishment.

00:58:10.250 --> 00:58:14.409
Well, where she got there to the both of that

00:58:14.409 --> 00:58:16.610
the perpetual students over here does not in

00:58:16.610 --> 00:58:19.389
mind admitting that that is something I need

00:58:19.389 --> 00:58:22.550
to work on and We're gonna have some more episodes.

00:58:22.650 --> 00:58:26.409
We're gonna have mr Sigma male over here teach

00:58:26.409 --> 00:58:29.550
us about the mind fuck. So we're gonna have that

00:58:29.550 --> 00:58:34.210
episode So we coming up on an hour here and we're

00:58:34.210 --> 00:58:36.769
always trying to you know, be mindful of people's

00:58:36.769 --> 00:58:40.590
time so I do want to finish up with the owning

00:58:40.590 --> 00:58:43.409
part. So, but I'm going to start with Unk first.

00:58:44.309 --> 00:58:47.369
Talk to me about, you know, both of them, but,

00:58:47.369 --> 00:58:50.309
you know, start off with Phillip's role or perspective

00:58:50.309 --> 00:58:56.070
on that as far as owning this couple. I mean,

00:58:56.090 --> 00:59:01.969
he knows, I think now he knows that I am, and

00:59:01.969 --> 00:59:07.980
I'm going to say a part of the family. Because

00:59:07.980 --> 00:59:12.219
I called him family, you know? And I think that

00:59:12.219 --> 00:59:15.719
he knows that I'm around. I want to be around.

00:59:16.099 --> 00:59:20.380
I don't want to go anywhere. And, you know, I

00:59:20.380 --> 00:59:25.000
truly enjoy both of them. I enjoy both of them

00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:27.900
to the fullest. And I'm looking forward to seeing

00:59:27.900 --> 00:59:30.780
where this is going, you know, in the future.

00:59:32.699 --> 00:59:35.960
You know, I've... I can't say it any more than

00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:37.599
that. I can't put it any more plain than that.

00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:40.880
Yeah, I love that. That's very eloquent. That's

00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:46.739
the owning for him, and then the owning for her

00:59:46.739 --> 00:59:50.400
is just what I said a few minutes ago. Keeping

00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:55.059
her guessing and then bringing on more and more

00:59:55.059 --> 00:59:59.119
and more, little by little by little, but intensifying

00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:03.699
what I bring to her every time now. Intensifying

01:00:03.699 --> 01:00:06.570
it. So if she thinks she got a dominant version

01:00:06.570 --> 01:00:10.190
of me last Monday, I hate to tell you, sister,

01:00:10.349 --> 01:00:14.250
that was just a little play thing. Okay? So,

01:00:14.409 --> 01:00:17.969
you know, get your popcorn ready. That's all

01:00:17.969 --> 01:00:21.889
I'm going to say. Get your popcorn ready. Don't

01:00:21.889 --> 01:00:23.710
say a word. Don't say a word. Don't say a word.

01:00:23.889 --> 01:00:25.969
I'm in dom mode right now. So what do you need

01:00:25.969 --> 01:00:31.409
to be doing? Huh? Am I daddy right now? Who am

01:00:31.409 --> 01:00:36.940
I now? Yes, sir. All right, then. That's exactly

01:00:36.940 --> 01:00:40.860
what you need to be saying. Yes, sir. That's

01:00:40.860 --> 01:00:43.579
exactly what you need to be saying. That's exactly

01:00:43.579 --> 01:00:46.139
what you need to be saying. See what I mean,

01:00:46.219 --> 01:00:49.739
Socrates? Yes, sir. See what I'm saying? It should

01:00:49.739 --> 01:00:52.119
be turned on and turned off. She should never

01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:54.079
know what's coming. She should never know what's

01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:59.400
coming. Always. Never know what's coming. And

01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:04.650
that's a part of the owning. Sir, can you come

01:01:04.650 --> 01:01:14.530
to my house tomorrow, please? We got dates going

01:01:14.530 --> 01:01:23.670
on here, y 'all. So, Phillip, tell us. Got a

01:01:23.670 --> 01:01:26.070
little hot in here. We're excited. All right.

01:01:26.510 --> 01:01:28.849
Phillip, tell us. What's your perspective on

01:01:28.849 --> 01:01:31.719
that? Yeah, right. This is just going to have

01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:34.880
to be an extended version night because, man,

01:01:34.900 --> 01:01:38.320
I could chime in on some things. You may have

01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:42.699
to split this up. Yeah. The trilogy. It's turned

01:01:42.699 --> 01:01:46.019
into the trilogy. But you know what? We should

01:01:46.019 --> 01:01:51.059
have split it up into claim, train, and own a

01:01:51.059 --> 01:01:53.699
three -part series. That would have been the

01:01:53.699 --> 01:01:58.780
most organized system. Yep. Each one of those

01:01:58.780 --> 01:02:02.440
in a separate podcast. Right. That's what I was

01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:07.940
saying. Yeah, I agree. The first one, was it

01:02:07.940 --> 01:02:14.139
clown? Claim. Not so much us, I guess. Like you

01:02:14.139 --> 01:02:17.980
said, it's more of the cuck thing. But as far

01:02:17.980 --> 01:02:21.699
as, what was the last one? The owning. Claim.

01:02:22.699 --> 01:02:26.679
Own and own. Okay. Okay, so for... I'm going

01:02:26.679 --> 01:02:30.599
to get you a t -shirt, Phillip. I know, I'm so

01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:34.000
disappointed here. Okay, the last one, as far

01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:39.280
as that, their interaction like that, that for

01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:45.840
me is, I guess, beneficial because I see how

01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:47.980
she is. I've known, we've been in this for five

01:02:47.980 --> 01:02:51.159
years. And I've seen how she's reacted. I know

01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:53.300
she, it took me a while to realize that she's

01:02:53.300 --> 01:02:56.099
very submissive, especially to a dominant man.

01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:03.079
And when she gets in that role, I like how she

01:03:03.079 --> 01:03:07.840
will submit. Oh, you're going to talk about after

01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:10.780
I'm with Brian, I come home and I will lick the

01:03:10.780 --> 01:03:14.179
bottom of your feet. Like, you know, I'm not,

01:03:14.219 --> 01:03:17.519
that's me being extra, but. after i'm with brian

01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:21.219
right so i will come home and philip will be

01:03:21.219 --> 01:03:27.119
like edgy whatever i'm big so i will be like

01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:31.340
kids you mean horny not edgy horny right now

01:03:31.340 --> 01:03:35.280
he's a little edgy but i will be like over the

01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:39.360
top submissive in this house with him he's not

01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:44.239
a super dominant person because like well this

01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:47.489
should be We've been married for 24 years. 24,

01:03:47.530 --> 01:03:53.429
25. 24 years. But whenever I've been with Brian,

01:03:53.710 --> 01:03:57.469
whenever he tosses my way with the popcorn and

01:03:57.469 --> 01:04:01.090
everything else, right? But I come back in his

01:04:01.090 --> 01:04:03.969
house, it just does something to my persona.

01:04:04.010 --> 01:04:07.769
It does something to me as a person. And it makes

01:04:07.769 --> 01:04:13.269
me want to be... A better wife. A what? Shit.

01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:17.500
Well, like you said, better wife. And Socrates

01:04:17.500 --> 01:04:21.219
laughed his ass off. Actually, I was really going

01:04:21.219 --> 01:04:24.280
to say that myself, but you just said it. But

01:04:24.280 --> 01:04:27.159
it does, and I've even called Brian, and I've

01:04:27.159 --> 01:04:29.880
told him, I'm like, it's really nice today, even

01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:31.500
though I was feeling some sort of a way, and

01:04:31.500 --> 01:04:35.699
I wasn't even a butthole, but I wasn't, but because

01:04:35.699 --> 01:04:39.280
I was feeling very satisfied and in my vibe,

01:04:39.420 --> 01:04:42.159
oh, my God, like I would bend over and lick.

01:04:42.570 --> 01:04:45.130
philip's feet right now because i know that he

01:04:45.130 --> 01:04:49.090
loves me so much he supports me so much and he

01:04:49.090 --> 01:04:52.269
supports what i'm doing and he loves me in this

01:04:52.269 --> 01:04:55.690
lifestyle yes it's kind of like a reset you know

01:04:55.690 --> 01:04:59.389
i love it everyone's just being themselves this

01:04:59.389 --> 01:05:05.030
is awesome for me it's not there's no jealousy

01:05:05.030 --> 01:05:08.409
or emotional as i just like seeing her happy

01:05:08.409 --> 01:05:13.159
he comes back you know satisfied or Even where

01:05:13.159 --> 01:05:17.219
he holds things back and she knows she didn't

01:05:17.219 --> 01:05:19.159
get the full thing. I can see it, you know, the

01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:25.679
not anxiety, but the yeah, like, oh my god, what's

01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:27.420
next? You know, that's the type of stuff that's

01:05:27.420 --> 01:05:31.360
kind of exciting for me. And I embrace that.

01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:36.360
And I'm, you know, I'm cool with it. So that

01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:38.920
kind of explains it. Yeah, yeah, I like that.

01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:42.760
I'll have to think about it more. more in depth

01:05:42.760 --> 01:05:45.840
definitely get into it more in the future for

01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:48.619
sure you're such a cool kid I wish I could be

01:05:48.619 --> 01:05:55.340
as cool as you well I think we're gonna end it

01:05:55.340 --> 01:05:57.519
there I don't know if you have anything else

01:05:57.519 --> 01:06:03.039
to say or siren no I think I am good I've enjoyed

01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:07.559
listening to to you guys tonight and kind of

01:06:07.559 --> 01:06:10.539
taking the night off but I've learned much from

01:06:11.050 --> 01:06:14.730
uh philip and lindsey and and their journey and

01:06:14.730 --> 01:06:18.829
uh again i i really commend you guys and i think

01:06:18.829 --> 01:06:21.789
there should be a night where the four of you

01:06:21.789 --> 01:06:26.469
have your um podcasts and like invite other couples

01:06:26.469 --> 01:06:30.289
you know to come up here and and and because

01:06:30.289 --> 01:06:32.949
really they can learn a lot from from philip

01:06:32.949 --> 01:06:34.530
and lindsey and they can learn a lot from you

01:06:34.530 --> 01:06:40.219
from you socrates and siren um You know, so I

01:06:40.219 --> 01:06:43.000
mean, that's my suggestion. What you guys think?

01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:47.920
Like, what do you mean? No, he means like the

01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:50.920
four of us. Like invite another couple. Yeah,

01:06:50.980 --> 01:06:56.719
the four of you guys do one. Yeah, yeah. Invite

01:06:56.719 --> 01:06:59.519
another couple and just, you know, get it. Yeah,

01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:06.619
you know, I think that'd be great. Yeah, I'm

01:07:06.619 --> 01:07:16.969
down. Let's do it. So we're going to let we're

01:07:16.969 --> 01:07:19.829
going to let Mr. Morgan, the Sigma male, end

01:07:19.829 --> 01:07:23.289
it out. And, you know, we'll get to some. Oh,

01:07:23.409 --> 01:07:26.409
do we want to, you know, does Philip and Lindsay,

01:07:26.469 --> 01:07:28.150
you guys want to share if people want to get

01:07:28.150 --> 01:07:30.789
in contact with you or your social media or anything

01:07:30.789 --> 01:07:36.210
like that? Yeah, tell him if you want to, you

01:07:36.210 --> 01:07:39.130
don't have to. We didn't talk about that before.

01:07:40.480 --> 01:07:46.900
We didn't, but I'm okay with it. Okay. Our telegram

01:07:46.900 --> 01:07:51.599
is at, it's pretty easy, Phil Lindsey. That's

01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:54.420
it. And how do you spell Lindsey? Because there's

01:07:54.420 --> 01:07:56.940
a lot of different variations of that. It's the

01:07:56.940 --> 01:08:00.000
right way. Well, I know it's the right way, but

01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:02.719
which way? Because I don't know the right way.

01:08:04.500 --> 01:08:10.630
It's capital P -H -I -L, capital L -I -N. D -S

01:08:10.630 --> 01:08:16.689
-E -Y. Perfect. Yeah, that's our telegram. Okay,

01:08:16.750 --> 01:08:19.289
and then you guys can find us. We're going to

01:08:19.289 --> 01:08:22.250
be definitely putting all our social media and

01:08:22.250 --> 01:08:26.550
contact later, but you can definitely email us

01:08:26.550 --> 01:08:31.989
at thebullbrotherhood at gmail .com, and we'll

01:08:31.989 --> 01:08:35.329
take any questions you have or any ideas you

01:08:35.329 --> 01:08:37.649
might want us to cover for any future episodes.

01:08:38.470 --> 01:08:42.750
But until then, we'll let Mr. Morgan close this

01:08:42.750 --> 01:08:44.949
out and we'll have a good night. Well, ladies

01:08:44.949 --> 01:08:46.630
and gentlemen, I hope you have enjoyed another

01:08:46.630 --> 01:08:50.170
episode, informative episode of the Boer Brotherhood

01:08:50.170 --> 01:08:53.949
podcast. I'm the Sigma male himself, Mr. Brian

01:08:53.949 --> 01:08:58.609
Morgan. And for my co -hosts, Socrates and the

01:08:58.609 --> 01:09:02.189
lovely Siren, I would like to thank my family,

01:09:02.250 --> 01:09:04.630
Phillip and Lindsey, for coming back once again

01:09:04.630 --> 01:09:09.399
and just sharing their life with us. Again, love

01:09:09.399 --> 01:09:12.779
you all so much. You don't know what you mean

01:09:12.779 --> 01:09:18.600
to me. You really don't. And as always, we will

01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:21.479
see you again real soon. For all my bull brothers

01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:24.779
out there, good night. For all my lovely hot

01:09:24.779 --> 01:09:29.960
wives, good morning. Again, we'll see you real

01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:33.340
soon, all right? Take care. Auf Wiedersehen.

01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:46.109
Tschüss. Bye -bye. and train the body on the

01:09:46.109 --> 01:09:49.090
soul. Deep connections build on trust. That's

01:09:49.090 --> 01:09:52.210
how I go from conversations to the passion that

01:09:52.210 --> 01:09:55.470
we hold. This brotherhood's for men whose stories

01:09:55.470 --> 01:09:59.229
need to be told. This brotherhood's for men whose

01:09:59.229 --> 01:10:02.909
stories need to be told. Say it loud. Say it

01:10:02.909 --> 01:10:08.189
loud. This is who we are. Bold, confident, seductive.

01:10:08.689 --> 01:10:12.350
Dominant and classy. We stand tall, never fall.

01:10:12.760 --> 01:10:15.180
Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.