This podcast contains explicit adult content
mature themes and candid conversations about
sex dominance power exchange and ethical non
-monogamy It is intended for audiences 18 and
over only listener discretion is advised The
views expressed by our guests are theirs alone
and do not necessarily reflect the views or values
of the hosts producers, or affiliated brands.
The Bull Brotherhood podcast is for educational,
entertainment, and empowerment purposes only.
Nothing in this podcast should be interpreted
as legal advice, medical guidance, or psychological
counseling. We speak from experience, not credentials.
Always practice consent, respect the boundaries
of others, and follow local laws. If you're not
comfortable with Frank talk about sex, kink dominance
or emotional power this probably isn't the show
for you but if you're ready to step into your
masculine edge and embrace a lifestyle that demands
mastery welcome to the brotherhood welcome to
the bull brotherhood podcast where we talk power
pleasure and the art of dominance and ethical
non -monogamy this is not your average lifestyle
podcast this is for men who lead men who master
and men who leave a lasting impression. If you're
here, you're not just curious. You're ready to
elevate. So to all the bulls, hot wives, stags,
and open -minded explorers, we see you. Let's
go. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another
episode of the Bull Brotherhood Podcast. I am
the one and only Brian Morgan, the Sigma male
himself, coming at you with my podcast team,
the lovely Siren. Say hello. Hello. And her partner
in crime, her husband, the philosophical one,
Socrates. What's good, John? Ladies and gentlemen,
tonight we are doing a continuation of last week's
podcast where we had my family who are back with
us tonight, the lovely Lindsay. Say hello. Hello.
And my dog, big dog, her husband, Phillip. What's
good, Phillip? How are you doing? I'm doing good,
brother. As I said, tonight is a continuation
of last week's podcast where we kind of shut
it down as my boy Socrates had a bunch of questions
that he was going to ask Phillip and Lindsey.
So tonight, I'm going to turn it over to Socrates
and Siren. I'm kind of taking the night off,
but I'll be here to answer and to tune in if
needed. So I'm going to turn it over to Socrates.
Go ahead, Big Bo. Yeah, so, you know, we were
just kind of getting into Lindsey and Philip's
dynamic, and, you know, I just had a lot of questions.
So first, let's kind of recount. So you guys
were in a relationship where Lindsey was at work,
and she was having messenger conversations with
a black man at her job. And Philip was eavesdropping
on that, right? Correct. And you didn't say anything
to her for a long time, right? Oh, probably three
or four months, maybe, of that going on. Yeah,
that's a long time to me. It's amazing self -control.
Oh, yeah. Oh, wait a minute. It was, like I said,
it was rough. for a while you know i was going
back and forth back and forth you know do i confront
her or him and or i just keep this going on and
see how far it goes and so like i said it was
uh it was an emotional time because you know
how we had been married for 20 years and here
she is starting with this guy you know so it's
not like you know when you're married you talk
to other people Hell, I've talked to other women
before, but, you know. What? What? But not to
that extent, you know. Yeah, so what was going
through your mind? Like, when you first discovered
it, like, take me through what you were feeling
and thinking, because, you know, most monogamous
couples, you know, that's when all hell breaks
loose, right? So take me through your thought
process. I think it was, part of it was me knowing
something she didn't. And that was kind of what
drove it. You know, it wasn't like a big, a deep
anger. It was more of, you know, this is kind
of interesting because I'm seeing or reading
kind of like a different side of her, if that
makes sense. she was you know the flirting and
back and forth i can tell she was excited which
kind of made me excited because it was reawakening
her that makes that that makes sense oh yeah
and even hell our sex life got even better during
that period um because hell i would be thinking
about her with him as i was sure and she didn't
know that no um you know that went on for you
know three or four months until i finally just
got to a point where i kind of suspected it was
going to go further than just them talking and
he was pushing it like he would uh he would send
her links like hey check this video out you know
it was a you know black dude fucking a white
chick you know And, you know, I sit there and
watch the video. I'm like, okay, that's pretty
hot. But, you know, it was just, he was pushing
it further and further. They worked at different
ends of the building. So he had no real business
being at her end of the building. And he was
trying to conspire with her, like, yeah, let's
come up with an excuse. I can come visit you
in your office and we'll close the door. And,
you know, that whole thing. And that's where
I finally got to the point of like, okay, I need
to confront these two before. Yeah, before it,
oh, okay, yeah, before something actually goes
through, right? Yeah, something actually goes
down, so. And that's where I showed up at her
work, and I texted, I think, both of you guys.
Yeah, I told you to come out to the parking lot.
And, you know, of course, she was like, what
the hell's going on, you know? Was he like bowing
up? I can't remember. He tried to a few times.
But of course, the worst part was the fact of
that he's out there by the smoke shack. So every
person that works there is like hanging out,
walking by. And I'm administrative staff. So
I walk out and I'm like, oh, shit. What the F
is going down? And so I walk out there and they're
talking before I even get out there. And I can
see some posturing, some weird business going
on. I'm not even sure. I'm like, oh, my God.
Oh, my God. Somebody has tapped into my. Yeah,
she knew she was busted at that point. Oh, wow.
You know, and I didn't want to cause a scene
in front of any of the employees. You know, that
was my biggest thing. Unless it had to go, you
know, all these spots go through your head like.
Oh, I'm going to get her back. You know, it's
the jealousy part, right? Like, oh, I'll fuck
her up and get her in trouble at work, you know,
because that's where she was working. There would
be, you know, anywhere if something like that
goes on property, you know. But I didn't go that
far. I just basically told them, hey, you need
to leave. Stop texting her, messaging her, all
this business. And that's where. the two of us
but we go we i mean it was every night sitting
on the front porch talking you know arguing you
know whose fault is it you know that whole thing
you know it's whatever and we start you know
we work through it because that's what we do
you know after we calm down okay let's regroup
get back together and talk about this And what
made you want to do this? I started asking her,
is this something you want to try? I was like,
I had no idea how people get in the lifestyle
or what the lifestyle, I had no idea what the
lifestyle was. I knew people out there did extra
curricular activities. Mine for me was just the
new oncoming of attention. Oh, I've been married
for someone for 20 years. I have four children.
I have a career. I am in a high -powered position.
And oh my gosh, someone finds me attractive.
What? Wait, what? So for me, that was the excitement
of that someone showed me attention and made
me feel, I don't want to sound shallow or stupid,
but made me feel attractive or pretty. Thank
you. Yeah, and that was the same for me. that
someone else thinks my wife is looking hot you
know and i'm sitting there going okay yeah i
think that's pretty hot too that's why i liked
that attention so you know so we talked and talked
and talked is you know finally oh i don't know
january i think because we'd sit out on the porch
and we'd be freezing our ass off because we want
to talk about this for the kids you know obviously
so we'd sit out there and We'd have a little
fire going on our fire pit and talk. And eventually
I was like, okay, well, I'll give him a call
and talk to him and say, hey, meet me here and
I want something to talk to you about. Oh, she
was nervous. She was so nervous about me even
contacting. I get a mad yell because they had
been avoiding you. I think at that point you'd
been avoiding each other at work. Oh, God, yeah,
like the plague. So, and it's not, you know,
I knew, this is the thing, is I knew him. I knew
him, his wife. We had met before, you know, and
his kids. So it's not like it was a complete
stranger. So I was a little bit more comfortable.
I said, well, let's call him up and see if he's
down because I knew he had talked to her. previously
that him and or he and his wife had been in the
watchtower before they had moved here so i had
a lot of questions he may be able to answer and
see if we can make this happen so we met at a
bar and i guess i think i told this in the last
podcast um that we sat there and talked till
we had three or four beers and just because he's
former military and for military how we talk
military most of the time you know back and forth
and uh you know i finally was like hey is this
something you'd be willing to do he's like oh
hell yeah because he's been after her since he
he started working there and uh that's where
i was like well she's just waiting at home i
knew you were just nervous as hell right well
yeah i mean The two years at a bar talking about
me and about what I've been doing that was naughty
business behind your knowledge. Yeah. And now
I'm actually getting consent to do it. Holy crap.
My God. Well, that's right. And she got there
20 minutes later. Well, it's kind of interesting,
too, because, you know, in, you know, the monogamous
world, it's like people. you know, catch their
spouse doing something like this. They freak
out. It's usually a bad ending. Whereas Philip,
you know, you were very wise, actually, in my
opinion, is that you watched the situation. You
saw how it could possibly benefit. You talked
to your wife over, you know, the course of time.
And then, you know, you were able to make a decision
that would actually benefit everyone involved,
you know, and I'm sure, you know, Lindsay, you
probably were like. This is kind of crazy that
I did something that some people would classify
as wrong, and then it's actually having a positive,
like, really fulfilling outcome. Well, yeah,
and then on top of that, talking with Philip,
after, you know, we kind of regrouped back, he
was like, you have no idea. He was like, it's
always been my fantasy to watch you with a Black
man. I was like, what? What? What? Well, then
you tell that. I mean, that was discussed prior
to the meeting. And that's why I was like, is
this something you would like to try? So I remember
us talking about it prior to, you know, I was
thinking about this. And since the last time
we had a podcast, I was like, when did this kind
of start for me? And I. can take it back to you
know dad had a pile of porn mags you know that
you find under the bed you know and dad's not
home and some of them had you know this is like
80s porn there was you know uh pictures of you
know black guys with white chicks i was like
oh man that's hot as hell you know uh as a teenager
and then of course brian can confirm this seeing
the movie taboo too Or, yeah, taboo two. And
then there's black taboo two. Yeah, there's a
black taboo. Where are these who moved? It's
actually five taboos. Actually five. Can I just
say that y 'all can, like, complete each other's
sentences when you talk about this porn? I'm
just saying. Yeah, maybe send us the link later.
That's not really a black one. White one. The
black taboo one is. And I remember seeing a night
hat, and I was like, oh, man, you know, that's
hot. So it was always there for me, you know.
But I never thought it would be a reality, you
know. And so that's what kind of led to that
fantasy. But I think another problem with a lot
of couples is, say, one catches one cheating.
Immediately, they're fighting, and they want
a divorce, and you got to keep me if you betrayed
me. We had those emotions, but we were able to
talk through that. And we knew, you know, we
didn't want to split up. I mean, we got kids.
We got a good family. Let's try and make this
work and try it out. If it doesn't work, then
we'll figure something else out, you know? Can
I? That's where I want to know. Oh, go ahead.
Go ahead. Go ahead. As you say, a lot of people
can't do that because of societal norms. You
know, you can't do that. That's wrong. You know,
this is not something that's normal. You know,
they would rather see people split up instead
of staying together and doing something that's
going to make them both happy. So what's the
magic sauce, brother? You know, I've sat there
and watched families be destroyed because of
this. What got you guys past the, okay, well,
like you said, I'm gonna get a divorce and, you
know, take everything I got and, you know, split
up and, you know, you start arguing with the
kids, all that kind of stuff. So what got you
guys past that? So... I'm going to answer this
a little bit, and then he'll probably pick up
back into the conversation. So I'm going to tell
you, I think a lot of this that helped us through
it, number one is communication. I mean, like
he said, we sat on the front porch. We were freezing
our cojones off. We had a little heat out there.
I mean, we would stay out there for hours on
end talking about different things. And then
listening to him, hearing his views, and hearing
how he felt. In my brain as what I do and who
I am, I thought I need to educate myself. I need
to find avenues. I need to figure out that I'm
not the only person out there that has these
feelings or these thoughts or these moments of
feeling insecure or maybe I feel jealous or maybe
like he feels jealous. So we started listening
to podcasts, which are amazing, of course. And
then I kind of jumped into the realm of listening
to books on audiobooks. What's it called? Audiobooks.
Audiobooks. Thank you. Audible. I started listening
to different books through there. And then when
you listen to one, it will suggest another one
and another one and another one. And every time
I listened to one, I kind of would start writing
down notes and I would start. thinking and toying
with ideas and questions I would have for him.
And I would say, well, listen to this. What do
you think about this? I even jumped into some
books that really focused on feeling jealous,
which is a huge aspect, I want to say, especially
for women. Because feeling jealous when it comes
to sharing someone that you love. You have to
understand jealousy is normal. If people tell
you, I've never been jealous. I've never felt
that. They're a damn liar. But understanding
where the jealousy comes from. What am I feeling?
Where is this centered? What is it that I'm feeling
insecure about right now? In this moment, what
do I feel bad about for myself? And how am I
projecting this upon somebody else? And how am
I responding to it? So, like, just self -education
is huge, I think, when it comes to lifestyle.
I don't know. What else? I mean, take over, babe.
You weren't. Neither one of you. Let me say this
right quick. Neither one of you were afraid to
go there with each other. You didn't want to
lose what you have. Okay. And you decided that,
look, this is bigger than just, you know, I'm
talking to somebody else and, you know, Phillip,
you listening and stuff like that. You guys both
had fantasies. You both had fantasies. And you
just had a window of opportunity there. And you
were able to come together and be able to talk
about it. Yeah, it was a little difficult at
first, you know. Both of you, you upset Phillip
a little bit. I know you were. And, of course,
Lindsey, technically, you had fucked up. But
both of you got together and found out, hey,
this can be bigger. You know what I mean? We
can turn this, instead of a negative, turn it
into a positive. I really commend both of y 'all
for that. And like I said, it made you guys closer.
It made your marriage better. And now look at
you. You guys have gone from that to being in
the vanilla lifestyle and now over into the hot
wifing. So I commend you. I commend you both.
So let me ask you guys. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead.
No, no, no. Go ahead. Well, I was going to ask
if you guys were going to give some advice to,
you know, people that are in your situation.
There's a lot of couples that start this journey
with. some kind of infidelity on some level.
And even if it's just conversation or what they
call emotional cheating, right? So what advice
would you give couples in that situation, you
know, to kind of get over the hump and at least
land where, you know, you guys landed if they
want to, right? The thing that worked for us,
I mean, of course, the first year was pretty
rough, I think, when we first started getting
into it. Because there was, you know, obviously
you're going to know that you said moments of
jealousy. You feel insecure. You feel insecure.
You question. Is, you know, emotionally why,
you know, for example, there is a particular
guy that we met and it seemed like they were
texting like constantly all the time. I'm like,
well, why do you guys have to text so much? You
know? Besides, Hey, how you doing? That's all
you really need. You know, I thought this was
more of a physical thing. You know what I'm saying?
And that took me a little while to get over.
Cause they would sit there and chit chat about
all kinds of crap. You know, I didn't at the,
in the beginning, I was like, Oh man, you know,
that needs to stop, you know, but that's something
I worked through and it wasn't like, okay, she's
going to leave me for this. Yeah. You know, I
just need, we need to realize that. But as a
couple, The big, the key thing is to, if you
have an experience, if you decide to do it, is
seriously talk about every aspect of it when
it's done. Not just the physical stuff. What
were you thinking? How were you feeling? You
know, when you looked over at me, what were you
thinking? You know, that type of stuff. And we
had to work through that. What was the other
part I was going to go to? oh because you know
there was times we'd go to lifestyle events you
know because i would you know want to hook up
too you know so and she would she'd have a difficulty
with that seeing me like making out with some
other woman and that took her a while to get
over that you know um so that's we've we've gone
100 miles since then And also for an event, we
would always pause. Like if we're there, we're
going to do check -ins. And we learned that from
another podcast is emotional check -ins. So we
say we'd be somewhere like a house party. Okay,
after half an hour, let's go outside. Just you
and me talk about what you're doing, how you're
feeling, that type of thing. Because some people,
you go to some of these events, you've seen it.
Couples are just, like, glued to each other.
Like, they won't separate from each other. You
can always spot them. You know, they don't want
to get out of each other's company for whatever
reason. Comfort zone. Comfort zone. Yeah. Yeah.
And we're so beyond that. We'll go to an event.
I haven't seen you for, like, two hours. I'm
like, what the hell? I just ate, like, 50 chips
over here. We're real bad. We both just bounce
around because we're both social animals when
it comes to. you know, the events. Yeah, and
trust is a huge thing too as well. I mean, you
have to be completely open and honest and you
have to dump all the goods out there. You have
to, like, just dump it. Regardless of how much
you think it may hurt or how it may come across
or how it may sound, you have to dump it. And
you have to trust the person that you love knowing
that they will accept you the way that you are.
They will accept it. They will just hug you and
embrace you and enclose you all around and say,
it's okay. I accept you and this is okay. One
thing, well, you were. I was just going to show
an example of a scenario that we were in. I think
we'd been doing it like a couple of years and
we were in an event and I couldn't find her.
I'm like, where the hell is she? You know, she
just disappeared. And I think I end up calling
your phone and she's getting fucked. She's on
the phone with me. She's like, oh, I'm like,
where the fuck are you? And she's like, I'm in
the downstairs bathroom, you know, just bent
over the fucking sink or whatever. Yeah. I was
like, okay, have fun. I'll be out in the loft.
I'll be at the bar. Come find me when you're
done, you know. But that's something, yes, some.
couples i don't think they could handle that
they would be emotionally just upset distraught
yeah and we would we'd been with couples that
was a hotel takeover the lindsey was i don't
know how we could discuss anything right okay
she's sucking his dick right and i'm with his
girlfriend and you know i'm going to town she's
over there and she looks over and just flips
out i mean she lost because she like rips this
necklace off of her neck and it was a necklace
yeah something he made for her something the
bees went everywhere the beads were all over
the bathroom i'm thinking oh my god i'm not gonna
make it back to my bed i'm gonna fall on these
damn beads but went everywhere she lost her shit
And I think the difference between us and maybe
another couple, another couple would just like,
we're out of here. They hit the door running.
Lindsay actually took her into the bathroom,
calmed her down, talked to her. You know, you
need to talk to me. What are you feeling? And
for me, and maybe it's because I'm a nurse and
maybe because it's personable, I put both my
hands on either side of her head. And I caressed
her face, and I looked straight into her eyes,
and I said, and it was very personal because
I'm very meaningful, and I don't say things I
don't mean. And if I say it, I fucking mean it.
That's how it is. It's so important to be that
type of person. And I told her, I said, just
tell me. It's okay if you want to leave, if you
feel bad. Like, just tell me. It's okay. But
realize. We both accept you. It's okay. How do
you feel? So, but she, she just, she was insecure
and she, she felt bad. Yeah. I think that was
their first thing. And they went to a lifestyle
takeover. I'm like, oh my God. And we ended up
talking to them. We, even after the event, they,
they called us and said, thank you for helping
us with that. Going through that. Yeah. Can you
guys share? Oh, sorry. Yeah. Can you guys share
what her initial concerns were or why she lost
it? Like what were, was it seeing, seeing you?
It was. Yeah. Seeing Lindsay go. Blessing him.
Yeah. Going down on him and his reaction. Cause
that's what the thing I like. I like looking
at Lindsay and seeing her face when she's going,
you know. But I could do it. Oh, but yes, I guess,
Lindsay, you know, she's whatever. You could
ask Brian. When I consume it, I consume it down
to the ball. Oh, my God. So, you know, I think
they were just dating at that. I looked over
and she just, she lost control. She emotionally
just broke down and like she said, grabbed it,
necklace and ripped it off and beads flying everywhere.
I'm like, I just stand back. you know he's like
what the he didn't see that coming you know but
we've been in a couple situations like that before
um and you know some people they would just like
screw that we're out of here you know so well
i think too when you're we've we've had i think
only one moment like that right something like
that was that the only one we had in the club
yeah and you don't even know that it's gonna
happen like you don't feel it coming on You know,
maybe you want to tell it, babe? I like the way
you tell it. Okay. So we were at a club that
we had been to a few times and really had enjoyed
ourselves. It was actually the first one we went
to together. And maybe this was like our third
or fourth time there. We'd had quite a few experiences.
And, you know, for us, full swap has always been
a little bit challenging. you know, just finding
that four -way connection. Well, it was towards
the end of the night, we kind of were like, we
didn't have, you know, it wasn't a really busy
night for us that night. And then we started
talking to this couple, like, towards the very
end, and then, you know, we're like, hey, do
you guys want to go play? And so, you know, first
we focused on her, and then we moved on to where
we were full swapping. And man, everything was
going great. She was riding Socrates, I was riding
her man, like... It was going great. Well, then
the guys flipped us over. They were, like, mirroring
each other, you know, like some... I don't know
if you've ever seen the end of Magic Mike, and
they have that whole mirror scene. Like, it was
kind of like that. So they're mirroring each
other, what they were positions they were putting
us in. And I was face down, ass up, so was she.
Socrates was on her, he was on me. It was going
great. I was really enjoying myself. And in the
beginning, we had a lot more rules and boundaries.
than we do now, and one of the things was that
I wasn't allowed to say, yes, sir, to anybody
else. So I'm face down, like, in this pillow,
just screaming and yelling and whatever, and
I say, yes. Socrates hears, yes, sir. And he
loses it. And he starts smacking me on the side
of my booty, and he's like, stop, stop, stop,
stop, stop. And I'm like thinking, what the heck?
What's going on? And then he's like, oh, oh,
just doesn't matter. Just doesn't matter. And
then he wraps a towel around himself and just
takes off. And the couple is like, what the fuck
just happened? And I'm like, well, the only thing
I can think of, I said, is that maybe he thinks
that I said something that I'm not supposed to,
but I don't quite know what that would be. So
I'm going to go talk to him. man, I had a great
time with you guys. And I'm sorry that it kind
of went sideways, but like, you guys are awesome.
You didn't do anything wrong. Like, you know,
everything will be fine, you know? So they were
just confused. And then I went and found him
and, you know, he just, I couldn't really calm
him down. So we just left. And, you know, then
the next, you know, the next day he, you know,
we went and got our McDonald's like we always
do after we go to a lifestyle thing. You know,
and he was just upset. And the next day, though,
he was like, I think I just had a moment of jealousy
where I realized how much I love you. And we
hadn't been dating that long. We were maybe like...
seven, eight months at that time. Well, since
we met. So we'd only been official for like two
or three months. So that was just a moment for
him where he thought he heard something and then
had the jealousy and realized, wow, it's actually
because I really fucking love this woman, not
because I'm just jealous of a couple words. And
going back to what Lindsey said, I was that guy
who said, I don't have any jealousy. And I would
tell all these stories of like, me not really
tripping about it. But when I did that... Like
you said, you don't expect those feelings to
come up in the moment. So when I saw it, I surprised
myself because I never react that way. And, you
know, even after that, it's hard to get me to
be jealous. So, yeah, it was just a huge indicator
for me how I felt about her. No, you're just
human, brother. That's all, okay? I don't care
how long you... been married I don't care how
long you've been a bull or when you were single
and you were doing what you were doing you still
are human right and we all get jealous some point
in time you know it might happen once maybe maybe
twice but everybody's been jealous okay even
yours truly over here and that's that's pretty
much exactly what I was going to say is we we
are an emotional being you know you can't really
anticipate what you're going to feel in the moment
and the important part of it is like you two
after you were done you went to McDowell you
talked about it and that's what we do you got
to reconnect reset figure out okay what could
we possibly do next time that prevent this but
also you're providing and you're you're you're
putting in the time to reconnect in that moment
I mean because if you really didn't care and
you really didn't love each other would you actually
be sitting in a damn McDonald's with somebody
I mean no you do that because you love each other
and you're resetting and you're reconnecting
and you're saying it's okay I felt this way because
of this and this and this and this And we're
going to talk about it. It's all going to be
okay. It's all going to work out and we'll do
something different next time and just jump over
the next hurdle. A lot of the things in the lifestyle
are about hurdles. I really, really truly believe
that. It's about learning. It's about evolving,
constantly evolving. It's about self -education.
It's about communication. One of my biggest things,
and I told Philip this, a gajillion bazillion...
You have a number? You know what? You know what?
Zip it. It's my gajillion bazillion. Well, I
also like what you said about, like, just being
supportive of that person, because I think it's
worth revisiting, and it's probably something
Socrates and I need to revisit, is taking those
emotional breaks, because we've kind of got complacent.
at parties and different things. We're too good
at Splash, but it's more like I have to communicate,
but I think that we might need to just go back
to some of those because I think sometimes, you
know, it's just important that whatever we're
feeling, that we still, like the other person,
knows that, you know, that you love them, that
it's okay, like... you know, we'll get through
it together because sometimes I have emotional
moments and I'm just like, why are these still
happening sometimes? And, you know, and it may
be something completely unrelated that just like
popped in my head. So, you know. Yeah. You know,
you guys had a lot longer together like than
we were like, hey, excuse me. My name is Socrates
and I'm Siren. And two weeks after we met, We
just, I know, knew about the lifestyle and four
months later we were in it, you know? So, um,
you know, I come to appreciate all, you know,
all the different ways that people entered the
lifestyle too. And, and the longevity. Yeah.
I, I want to start getting into some of the,
uh, claim training on things, but I wanted to,
you know, since we're this, you know, we're doing
a podcast, I want to shout out that couple next
door podcast. I don't know if they ever hear
us. One of the reasons why I did that is because
that couple next door started in the lifestyle
as a couple. And they really stressed the importance
of communication, having rules and boundaries,
you know, honoring each other's, you know, insecurities
and whatnot. And I learned a lot from that. from
that podcast, you know, as well as a lot of other
ones because I was a podcast junkie. But yeah,
I just think I knew we can handle it. I knew
that we could manage the complexities of the
lifestyle because I knew other couples were doing
it by the time that I introduced it to her. Unless
you guys want to, you know, maybe finish up some
thoughts, I did want to kind of get into the
claim, train, and own from especially Phillip's
perspective. No, I mean, I think we covered,
I mean, in a future podcast, if you have any
further questions or things that I think of,
I know I wanted to hit up on those, you know,
the communication and then what helps us, because
that may help a future couple. Yeah, well, let's
talk about it. Let's get into it. No, that's
what he did talk about. Oh, okay. He's saying
he covered it. Okay, gotcha. Well, you know me.
I can go deep. What is your communication style?
Can you break down the fundamentals? How deep
can you guys really go? What's the depth that
Lindsay and I would enjoy? The biggest thing
is we're a couple. We're going to have our blow
up. So we're going to say stupid shit back and
forth, you know, and that's going to happen.
But in that. And that you say things you don't
mean, but you're actually saying things that
are on your mind. So once we separate from that,
you know, talk about it, sit back the next day
while we're calm, we'll talk about those things.
Even if it's 24 hours and you're still in the
same space inside the house, you make dinner,
you're doing laundry, he's watching sports and
football. process and give it time silence sometimes
is like fucking gold just let it process let
it let things happen organically um that i think
is a good thing too as well yep and no you know
don't really address it in the moment you know
uh that's where i think a lot of people they
just stay angry it's like no you gotta calm down
I'll realize, hey. Don't I even try to talk about
it when the pot's boiling? It's internal. Yeah.
Oh, it's human nature. I just got up, got in
my gut, dressed. It's like two in the morning.
Got in my truck and drove away. I went and parked
in the parking lot for an hour. Knowing that
I was asleep and he came back. Oh, no, you were
texting the hell out of your blue on my damn
phone up. where the hell are you know that whole
thing I was like hey we just before we get angry
I'm just gonna go drive away you know and that
helped you know but that's it's a process everything
is a process I mean but whenever um I like to
make this kind of like a decent point so I think
that um whenever we're talking about playing
in party situations we're just like nuances like
you're you're meeting somebody new for the first
time that's different but I think that what we
have what Brian and Philip and I have is something
that's completely different um kind of like jogging
into or pushing towards that direction um it
was somewhat of a difficult situation because
I think that of course at some point in time
Philip realized that holy crap my wife is like
really putting a lot of time and a lot of conversation
into this person. And he realizes that whenever
I talk about Brian, when he's not there or when,
you know, after we are meeting up with him, I
would talk about something. He could sense, because
we've been married for so long, he could sense
that there's a deeper connection than what I've
had with anybody else in my entire life. I will
say spinning off of that as far as for myself
and then talking to Philip. And I think I mentioned
before I'm a psych nurse. So understanding how
to talk to people and how to look at situations
from different aspects is huge, huge, huge, huge.
But coming to this and talking. It is. I mean,
you have to be able to look at a situation from
85 different aspects. But coming to Phillip and
saying, look, have you ever thought ever once
in your life that you've only loved one person
in your entire fucking life? You want to love
your mama? No, because you love me. Wait a second.
We have four kids. So do you only love your mama?
Do you only love me? Oh, wait, you love four
kids. Is it humanly possible to love multiple
people? Is it humanly possible to have relationships
with people, respect them and respect their boundaries
and understand and talk and talk and talk and
get all this information, but understand where
everybody stands? but also love people in different
situations. Hell yeah. Absolutely. It is completely
possible. It is so damn possible, and that's
what we do, and that's who we are, and that's
where we are in our life. So let's get into that.
So you guys pretty much have a polyamorous relationship
between the three of you guys, and I wanted to
really dig deep into Phillip's... perspective
on the claiming part. So, you know, in the previous
episode, we talked about claim, train, and own.
That's right, Brian. That's the right three.
That's it. In order. And so, Phillip, what's
your perspective on the claiming part? Like when
Brian... Right. So, I mean, yeah, let's dig deep.
Like, I'm in the military. You're ex -military.
I mean, I'm ex -military. You're ex -military.
Brian served a long time. I probably served the
shortest. I feel like all three of us are masculine
men who are, you know, capable of violence. You
know what I'm saying? I mean, you know, so I
know how we feel. I can imagine you being extremely
protective of your family. I can imagine you
being someone who is an authority figure, right?
But now you have another man, a black man at
that, saying he's claiming you guys. Like, what's
your perspective on that? You know, tell our
listeners, like, how you think about him. Well,
I definitely don't look at it as, you know, there's
different. You got your cucks, the guys that
are submissive. You know, that is not me at all.
You know, I look at Brian as we're, like, equals.
As far as very much so. Very much so. Man to
man. Exactly. That's our relationship. Because
I got to know him. I trust him. We've gone out
multiple times as three of us. My nerdy dates
that I tried to make both of my men's do, I'm
like, let's go axe throwing. We all sucked at
that shit. I'm like, let's go do this. Let's
go do that. I hate axe throwing. I never want
to go again. I hate it. I love it. Siren hates
the axe throwing. It hurts my shoulder. Girl,
the only great picture of the ax ring was a picture
of both of my man's asses at the same time because
I was like, I hate this shit. Yeah, that was
actually our second date and I kicked his ass
and then after that it was all downhill. I was
terrible at it after that and I didn't like it.
Anyways, but back to Phillip. Yeah, I think that
was my first attempt to go do something. Just
outside of, okay, we're going to get together.
We're going to go to the hotel. This is something.
Hey, let me say this. Socrates, do you remember
when I was describing a bull, like I want to
say on the Keys and Anchors podcast or something
like that? Yes. And I was saying that one of
the greatest qualities of a good bull. is blending
in to an already what? Loving relationship. Right,
sir. Yes, sir. That was what, that's a prime
example of what I was doing, like going out,
throwing a damn ax with them. You know what I'm
saying? I'm blending in. I'm blending in to what,
you know what I'm saying, they wanted to do.
I know I sucked at it, but at the same time,
I was going to throw that ax as many times as
they wanted me to, to let them see that, hey,
I'm there for you. You know what I mean? I'm
enjoying the couple. I'm enjoying the time with
you all. I don't care what we're doing right
now. If we're throwing the axe or we're sitting
down talking or whatever, it didn't matter to
me. I was just enjoying the time with them. So
that's what I mean by you blending into an already
existing and loving relationship. So that's a
part of the claiming process also. All right.
It's a part of the claiming process. Interesting.
And I think that's kind of like key to like females
as well, because I will tell you another date,
amazing date that we went on. We went up to,
what was it, Raleigh? And you already know this
story I'm telling. Yes. We went to the mall.
We did all kinds of stuff. But then we ended
up at Dave and Buster's. Dave and Buster's. Yes.
Okay. I'm a nerd. I get excited about these things
and I'm like, oh, I want to do this. I want to
do this. I want to do this. So Phillip was so
concerned because our daughter was supposed to
have a friend that came over and spent the night.
And he was like, I have to get home. I have to
clean. I have to do this. I have to do this.
He was like, I really need to go. And then as
we're like sitting there eating like our lunch.
and I've convinced both of them to buy me 85
freaking Dave and Buster cards to give me all
the points I can get, right? Because then we'll
play some games. He's like, I've got to go home.
He's getting frustrated, and I can see it on
his face, and he's like, I said, look. I said,
just go. Go, go, go. I can feel it. I can see
that you're not feeling it right now. It's okay.
And I hear you. You're wanting to go home to
make sure that our daughter has a good hangover
with her friend. And so from there, Phillip leaves.
And I'm feeling kind of nerdy. All the games
I want to play. Little kids are in my damn games.
I'm about to beat some kids up. I'm about to
hurt some kids. So we walk over. We find a couple
different things. And we start playing games.
We play a lot of games. By the end of the day.
We were there for what? How long were we there,
Brian? I don't know. It was a good minute, though.
I was 10 years old again on a couple of them
damn games. Yeah, I was whooping your ass. I
forgot what the one game was, but it was like
the military game. I was killing you. I was killing
you. But I was having a great time, though. I
was having a great time. Yeah, I was sweating.
Actually, it was like, okay. And let me stop
you to say this. Here again, I'm backtracking,
Socrates. What is that a part of? What do I always
say I want to do with a couple? And that would
not have happened had Phillip and I had that
rapport already. He knew that I was going to
do what? Respect her, protect her, and then love
her, correct? Right. Okay, that's an example
of that. You see what I'm saying? All of this
stuff comes into key. you know, comes all together
when you start developing that trust, developing
that rapport. You know, like I said, he and I,
I knew he had to get back. I could see it in
the face too. I could see that, you know, hey,
he's a dad. He wants to get back to make sure
his daughter is all right. But at the same time,
he wants to make sure his wife is good also.
And I think that he knew, hey, I trust Brian
completely, you know, completely. And she'll
be fine with him. So here again, that's part
of that respect, protect, and love. Yeah, in
the moment, I wasn't upset with them. I was like,
okay, I got to get going. Yeah, we were having
fun. We had kind of a late start that morning.
By the time we got to David Buster, I was like,
look at my watch and stuff. And I knew she was
in good hands. So I had to beat Pete and get
out of there. But let me tell you. to actually
look over and drag Brian into this gaming thing
that was like 3D. It was like The Walking Dead.
I'm in there sweating. I'm hustling. I'm hollering.
I'm all kinds of stuff. I look over and he goes,
listen, I've never done this. I've never played
video games with a woman in my entire life. I
said, oh. Was completely out of my comfort zone
as far as things that I do. Was loving every
minute of it, you know? That's how I knew then
that, yeah, nerdy as fuck, but hey, I mean, you
know. In your comfort zone, and I kind of love
that, that you're willing to do something you're
not comfortable with on your own for your entire
life, and you've never really done anything.
My entire life, brother, has been either as a
troublemaker or a escort, okay? My favorite fraternity
is MeFi Me. So I didn't know anything else but
me, you know what I mean? And to have not only
a lady, but her husband, to have a couple that
I enjoy being around and being with and talking
to, and somebody who actually understands, like,
my conversations, you know? I was like, okay,
something ain't right here. Something ain't right.
Why am I driving back to Wilson and I have them
on my mind? You know what I mean? Because usually
I'm more than done. You're coming out of that
comfort zone, you know, and that's why we just
a good friendship. Well, I want to jump on top
of that one. So with that being said, Philip,
with that being said, brother, like, talk to
me about the training part. So is that equal
thing too? Or like, how does that dynamic come
into play with you, Philip? uh with me i'm not
sure well does it really apply to me as far as
because i know they have there are certain things
where um i'm gonna say i'm non -trainable uh
yeah okay i'm wild as hell no you barely i'm
teasing i'm teasing that's more i think of their
two aspect i i guess south side something different
I don't really. Phillip is not, like I said before,
he's no way near a cuckold. So really the training
aspect for him really doesn't apply. You know
what I mean? It really does not apply. It would
apply for cuckold couples. Is that what you're
saying? Yeah. Yeah. For the real cuckold couple,
it would. For Phillip, the training aspect is
him getting used to me being around a lot. You
know what I mean? Not just being that one and
done, but the fact that, you know, yeah, we talk,
you know, regularly. You know, I do see her now
regularly. And just, you know, just being a part.
Him knowing that, hey, there's somebody else
that's a part of, you know, a part of their life.
So that's the training for him. You know, now
the training for Lindsey. The transfer baby girl
is different. It's different. And I've told her
that I actually held back on a whole lot of things
up until recently. And here again, it's been
almost, what, two years now? Yeah. It's been
almost two years. But due to the fact that I
did like her and them so much, I wasn't able
to. to turn it on or, in my other words, open
up Pandora's box all the way at first. Okay?
That's the kind of stuff that I like because
she'll come back and like, holy fuck, what did
he, he's been holding out on me. What the hell
happened? So she would dive into the details.
Yeah. Yeah, because I know damn well she was,
at one point in time, she was thinking, oh, he's
not Dom. He's not a dominant. He can't be dominant.
All right. Well, I shut her up. I shut her up
recently on that one. Okay. And then I changed
gears. I went from second gear to fifth as far
as showing her that I'm still a porn star at
my age also. All right. So, you know. She's starting
to get the opening of Pandora's box now. And
believe me, I just opened it another quarter
way. I haven't opened it all the way yet. So,
you know, that's the training. That's the training.
And that's all a part of the mind game also.
You know what I mean? You never, ever, never,
ever give her everything at one time. Never.
Because she will get used to that and she will
think, okay, every time it's got to be this way.
Hell no. You don't give her that, all right?
You tease. You play. You give a little. You take
back. You give more. You take back more, all
right? Then someday, someday, she will get the
whole package, okay? But for right now, though,
she's still thinking, like, what is he going
to do next to me? What is he going to do next?
And that's what makes it. That's what makes it
fulfilling for me, all right? And I think I speak
for Philip also because Philip likes to say,
I keep her on her toes. And you got to keep her
on her toes 24 -7. And that's any woman. You
got to keep her on her toes 24 -7. And really,
I'll just put this in there. She's a submissive
brat. You are a submissive brat. I think that's
what sirens do. Yes, a submissive brat. And that's
the best way to describe it. But I don't get
punished often enough. Let me just say that.
So then I'm even worse. See, it's not so much
about prop punishment. It's the mind control.
It's the mind fuck. That's what it is. The mind
fuck. Let's see. I will say the mind fuck actually
puts me in my place. And the mind fuck makes
me. realize that I need to step back and just
say, hold on a second. I need to be respectful.
I need to, oh, oh, I want to fuck. Oh, nope,
yep, yep. I'll be okay. I need to listen and
I need to be okay. The mind fuck fucks me up
bad. Yeah, just like, yeah, just like. The mind
part doesn't work on me. The physical punishment.
Well, where she got there to the both of that
the perpetual students over here does not in
mind admitting that that is something I need
to work on and We're gonna have some more episodes.
We're gonna have mr Sigma male over here teach
us about the mind fuck. So we're gonna have that
episode So we coming up on an hour here and we're
always trying to you know, be mindful of people's
time so I do want to finish up with the owning
part. So, but I'm going to start with Unk first.
Talk to me about, you know, both of them, but,
you know, start off with Phillip's role or perspective
on that as far as owning this couple. I mean,
he knows, I think now he knows that I am, and
I'm going to say a part of the family. Because
I called him family, you know? And I think that
he knows that I'm around. I want to be around.
I don't want to go anywhere. And, you know, I
truly enjoy both of them. I enjoy both of them
to the fullest. And I'm looking forward to seeing
where this is going, you know, in the future.
You know, I've... I can't say it any more than
that. I can't put it any more plain than that.
Yeah, I love that. That's very eloquent. That's
the owning for him, and then the owning for her
is just what I said a few minutes ago. Keeping
her guessing and then bringing on more and more
and more, little by little by little, but intensifying
what I bring to her every time now. Intensifying
it. So if she thinks she got a dominant version
of me last Monday, I hate to tell you, sister,
that was just a little play thing. Okay? So,
you know, get your popcorn ready. That's all
I'm going to say. Get your popcorn ready. Don't
say a word. Don't say a word. Don't say a word.
I'm in dom mode right now. So what do you need
to be doing? Huh? Am I daddy right now? Who am
I now? Yes, sir. All right, then. That's exactly
what you need to be saying. Yes, sir. That's
exactly what you need to be saying. That's exactly
what you need to be saying. See what I mean,
Socrates? Yes, sir. See what I'm saying? It should
be turned on and turned off. She should never
know what's coming. She should never know what's
coming. Always. Never know what's coming. And
that's a part of the owning. Sir, can you come
to my house tomorrow, please? We got dates going
on here, y 'all. So, Phillip, tell us. Got a
little hot in here. We're excited. All right.
Phillip, tell us. What's your perspective on
that? Yeah, right. This is just going to have
to be an extended version night because, man,
I could chime in on some things. You may have
to split this up. Yeah. The trilogy. It's turned
into the trilogy. But you know what? We should
have split it up into claim, train, and own a
three -part series. That would have been the
most organized system. Yep. Each one of those
in a separate podcast. Right. That's what I was
saying. Yeah, I agree. The first one, was it
clown? Claim. Not so much us, I guess. Like you
said, it's more of the cuck thing. But as far
as, what was the last one? The owning. Claim.
Own and own. Okay. Okay, so for... I'm going
to get you a t -shirt, Phillip. I know, I'm so
disappointed here. Okay, the last one, as far
as that, their interaction like that, that for
me is, I guess, beneficial because I see how
she is. I've known, we've been in this for five
years. And I've seen how she's reacted. I know
she, it took me a while to realize that she's
very submissive, especially to a dominant man.
And when she gets in that role, I like how she
will submit. Oh, you're going to talk about after
I'm with Brian, I come home and I will lick the
bottom of your feet. Like, you know, I'm not,
that's me being extra, but. after i'm with brian
right so i will come home and philip will be
like edgy whatever i'm big so i will be like
kids you mean horny not edgy horny right now
he's a little edgy but i will be like over the
top submissive in this house with him he's not
a super dominant person because like well this
should be We've been married for 24 years. 24,
25. 24 years. But whenever I've been with Brian,
whenever he tosses my way with the popcorn and
everything else, right? But I come back in his
house, it just does something to my persona.
It does something to me as a person. And it makes
me want to be... A better wife. A what? Shit.
Well, like you said, better wife. And Socrates
laughed his ass off. Actually, I was really going
to say that myself, but you just said it. But
it does, and I've even called Brian, and I've
told him, I'm like, it's really nice today, even
though I was feeling some sort of a way, and
I wasn't even a butthole, but I wasn't, but because
I was feeling very satisfied and in my vibe,
oh, my God, like I would bend over and lick.
philip's feet right now because i know that he
loves me so much he supports me so much and he
supports what i'm doing and he loves me in this
lifestyle yes it's kind of like a reset you know
i love it everyone's just being themselves this
is awesome for me it's not there's no jealousy
or emotional as i just like seeing her happy
he comes back you know satisfied or Even where
he holds things back and she knows she didn't
get the full thing. I can see it, you know, the
not anxiety, but the yeah, like, oh my god, what's
next? You know, that's the type of stuff that's
kind of exciting for me. And I embrace that.
And I'm, you know, I'm cool with it. So that
kind of explains it. Yeah, yeah, I like that.
I'll have to think about it more. more in depth
definitely get into it more in the future for
sure you're such a cool kid I wish I could be
as cool as you well I think we're gonna end it
there I don't know if you have anything else
to say or siren no I think I am good I've enjoyed
listening to to you guys tonight and kind of
taking the night off but I've learned much from
uh philip and lindsey and and their journey and
uh again i i really commend you guys and i think
there should be a night where the four of you
have your um podcasts and like invite other couples
you know to come up here and and and because
really they can learn a lot from from philip
and lindsey and they can learn a lot from you
from you socrates and siren um You know, so I
mean, that's my suggestion. What you guys think?
Like, what do you mean? No, he means like the
four of us. Like invite another couple. Yeah,
the four of you guys do one. Yeah, yeah. Invite
another couple and just, you know, get it. Yeah,
you know, I think that'd be great. Yeah, I'm
down. Let's do it. So we're going to let we're
going to let Mr. Morgan, the Sigma male, end
it out. And, you know, we'll get to some. Oh,
do we want to, you know, does Philip and Lindsay,
you guys want to share if people want to get
in contact with you or your social media or anything
like that? Yeah, tell him if you want to, you
don't have to. We didn't talk about that before.
We didn't, but I'm okay with it. Okay. Our telegram
is at, it's pretty easy, Phil Lindsey. That's
it. And how do you spell Lindsey? Because there's
a lot of different variations of that. It's the
right way. Well, I know it's the right way, but
which way? Because I don't know the right way.
It's capital P -H -I -L, capital L -I -N. D -S
-E -Y. Perfect. Yeah, that's our telegram. Okay,
and then you guys can find us. We're going to
be definitely putting all our social media and
contact later, but you can definitely email us
at thebullbrotherhood at gmail .com, and we'll
take any questions you have or any ideas you
might want us to cover for any future episodes.
But until then, we'll let Mr. Morgan close this
out and we'll have a good night. Well, ladies
and gentlemen, I hope you have enjoyed another
episode, informative episode of the Boer Brotherhood
podcast. I'm the Sigma male himself, Mr. Brian
Morgan. And for my co -hosts, Socrates and the
lovely Siren, I would like to thank my family,
Phillip and Lindsey, for coming back once again
and just sharing their life with us. Again, love
you all so much. You don't know what you mean
to me. You really don't. And as always, we will
see you again real soon. For all my bull brothers
out there, good night. For all my lovely hot
wives, good morning. Again, we'll see you real
soon, all right? Take care. Auf Wiedersehen.
Tschüss. Bye -bye. and train the body on the
soul. Deep connections build on trust. That's
how I go from conversations to the passion that
we hold. This brotherhood's for men whose stories
need to be told. This brotherhood's for men whose
stories need to be told. Say it loud. Say it
loud. This is who we are. Bold, confident, seductive.
Dominant and classy. We stand tall, never fall.
Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.