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go. Ladies and gentlemen, good evening, and welcome
to another informative episode of the Bull Brotherhood
Podcast. I'm the man with the plan, the Sigma
male himself, Brian Morgan, along with the other.
Members of my podcast team, the lovely Siren.
Say hello. Hello. How you doing tonight, sweetie?
I'm doing great. Wonderful, wonderful. And of
course, my brother from another mother. I call
him nephew. The man himself, Socrates. What's
good, baby? Uncle, what's good? What's going
on, y 'all? Excited about this episode. I can't
call it, I can't call it. I am too, and I know
you are especially because... Ladies and gentlemen,
tonight we're going to be talking about a topic
dealing with, of course, Socrates' favorite topic,
which is ethical non -monogamy. The categories,
well, let me tell you, the square, the circle,
and the triangle. If I say that, what are you
guys probably thinking about first and foremost?
Geometry. Geometry. Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.
Well, this is like something, ladies and gentlemen,
to think about. It's like, what is your dynamic?
Where do you fall into this world that we live
and love so much? The square. Think about a square,
four sides. So when you think about four sides,
you think about what? Four people or two couples.
So that falls more into what? Say the swingers
category, maybe? Yes or no. Exactly. You think
about your circle. A circle is what? It's open
-ended, correct? I guess I'm saying that right?
Open. So if you are a, let's say, a stag -vixen
couple or, yeah, let's say stag -vixen couple.
You're pretty much open. Or probably. You're
pretty much open to all the possibilities. Okay?
And if you're a bull who is trying to, you know,
get inside of that circle, you need to be pretty
versatile. And of course, last but not least,
the one that I gravitate to the most is the triangle.
That's those three sides. So you have what? You
have your bull, you have your hot wife, and you
have your cuckold or stag. Okay, so that's what
we're concentrating on tonight. And I like what
Siren said, ethical non -monogamy geometry. I
love it. So let's get started. I will pass the
torch on to Socrates if he wants to break down
each one of these topics a little bit more. Go
ahead, Al. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Nephew. Yes, sir.
Nice. I'm really excited about this, and we're
not sure which order these episodes come in,
but I did have a debate with my mentors and my
brothers and my roundtable brothers on the episode,
the first episode of The Commission, which is
coming soon. But we were talking about the triangle
dynamic and how our perspective on the plight
and the concerns and issues and challenges that,
you know, the cuckold relationship has or when
there's a bull involved between one couple, whether
that couple be, the male be, well, the male's
going to be a cuckold or a stag. He's going to
enjoy watching his wife or... enjoy his wife
being pleased and he has a lot of compersion
and then you're going to have the hot wife or
the who you know obviously loves that dynamic
and so basically what we're saying is this is
not law or facts this is our paradigm you know
so the bull brotherhood is about talking about
all things ethically non -monogamous but from
our perspective as bulls and then we have my
lovely wife siren who wants to put you know always
wants to go us or me we want her to give a femme
perspective so we're going to start with the
square so the basic principles of the square
is equal sides right equal angles stability through
balance and mirrored exchange right so what we're
basically saying is you know when you're a swinker
right there's an umbrella and we call that umbrella
the ethical non -monogamous umbrella That means
that everybody who believes in consent, you know,
ethics, everyone who believes in disclosure and
keeping everybody informed and doing the right
thing, you're in the ethical non -monogamy umbrella.
And under that umbrella, there's a lot of dynamics
like swingers, polyamorous people, right? The
cuckold dynamic, bulls, open relationships, polyamorous.
you know, relationship, anarchy, all those things.
People who just, anybody who doesn't believe
that monogamy is the only way to go. So when
it comes to the square, it's a paradigm or way
of thinking. And the dynamics that we believe
are under that. And yes, y 'all, as a nerd, I
had Chad DBT do a lot of research for me. So
y 'all know how I do. So for us, it's about swingers,
swaps, and parallel play. Right? So siren. What
do you think of when you think of the square
paradigm and, you know, the whole swinger swapping
and parallel paradigm when it comes to ethical
non -monogamy? I just think of couples that are,
you know, wanting to do the lifestyle 100 % together.
They want to find another couple that they can
vibe with and play with. And it's a four -sided
connection. That's what I think of. What about
you, Unc? What's your perspective on it? Here
again, the couples got to be on the same page.
And, you know, the square is all about the couple,
first and foremost. As a bull, this is probably
the dynamic that I stay away from the most. Because
this is, you know, we feel kind of limited. Unless
we're, like, invited into this. like say, for
instance, invited to a party, you know, and we
know that we're going to get there and then they're
already waiting for, you know, for me to come
in and say, meet somebody and, you know, have
a good time. We feel kind of limited, feel kind
of left out. So just like I said, this benefits
more of those couples, you know, and what the
Swinger Dynamics is all about more than it does
the board. Yeah, I agree. And one of the things
we want our listeners to know is we're not trying
to pigeonhole you or, you know, I know some people
don't like labels because they feel limited.
This is not that. These are guiding principles
to kind of help you think and process these things
and simplify it. Look, you know, we're having
a podcast because we believe that, you know,
we can crank out one or two a week explaining
the intricate details and the large, you know,
dynamic of this lifestyle. But, you know, thinking
of it in these squares kind of gives you a guideline,
right? So some of the things is like it's about
two couples engaging with each other, right?
And when I think about it is I know swingers
who they're going to want a unicorn to come in,
right, and play with them. They might even, and
a lot of times it's more about unicorns than
single guys. But I do know this. As far as our
dynamics, we'll talk, which we believe our dynamic
fits under the circle paradigm. our dynamic she
can have a guy that i'm not really vibing with
like i don't even like or i might not think he's
attractive you know when i'm a dude who cares
what i think about that well i feel like swingers
or when we went when i went through the swinger
process it was more like okay we can bring a
single guy in but we both have to like him we
both have to interact with him because it's going
to be about you two as a couple playing with
that guy and that's not a square but it has to
be squared in your mind, right? Let me say this,
nephew. Usually if a couple invites you, let's
say you're their boyfriend, they invite you to
a swingers event, trust and believe you've already
been vetted not only by your couple, but at least
one or two more couples that are going to that
event. You know what I mean? They've already
met you. Maybe they've already played with you
before. So you know that, hey, you got at least
two or three couples, you know, that you're going
to be good with at the event. If you're just
going there just to, you know, to follow your
girl and her husband, then like I said, you're
probably going to be a big spectator. You're
going to be a big spectator. You'll watch them
or watch her. But, you know, you probably won't
have a great time. Yep. Yeah, I agree. I agree.
And, you know, also it's a squared paradigm because
it's reciprocal energy, right? Like when you're
in that phase, and a lot of times people go through
a phase of being swingers like we did because
it's really hard to find a four -way connection,
right? And then even though, let's say you're
like, okay, we're not going to look for couples.
We're going to look for, you know, a unicorn.
since you're not Stag and Vixen, that unicorn's
not going to run off with the husband, right?
You guys aren't playing separately. Usually the
swinger or square paradigm, they want to be completely
involved, like Siren said, really playing off
of each other, and really it's about each individual
making sure that their loved one is, you know,
involved and happy with it, right? So it's like...
When you want to make sure it's reciprocal, you
have to concern yourself about the likes and
dislikes and concerns and vibe for your wife
as well as your husband or vice versa. And again,
there's nothing wrong with that, right? One of
the things that it is, it's often shallow but
safe. And that's not a negative thing. It means
like it's not poly in the sense that you don't
go emotionally deep. It's not like Stagvixen
arc. Our dynamic is very complicated and there's
so many ways we can go with it. And, um, one
of my lifestyle mentors was like, you really
have four different dynamics. If you really drill
down to it and we won't get into that now, but
I agree. It also emphasizes. But you got, you
guys haven't, haven't really identified as swingers
for a long time. Well, we've never been, you
know, We've only had the four -way connection
work like once. Well, one and a half, because
I messed up the first one. Oh, we've never had
any repeat business with another couple. And
maybe at parties, but maybe one or two times
at Sapphire Club. There was one successful one,
and I don't know if we talked about this in an
episode. But I messed it up because of my jealousy.
That's when I found out I was madly in love with
this woman. Then we played with that couple,
the other couple from the Pacific Northwest that
we met at Sapphire. We played with them a couple
times, but then they had their own challenges
to work out. Nothing to do with that. Oh, yeah,
that's right. And that was working, you know,
okay. It wasn't 100 for me, but that's... I usually
end up on the short end of the dick. With the
full swap. That's why we kind of moved away from
it because, you know, it's just challenging for
me to get, you know, what I want and need out
of that too. Because, you know, we want it to
be good forever. My family, they still, you know,
go to what I call vanilla lifestyle events, regular
swinger events. And it's, she goes to support
him. You know, he, he, he go, he go, he may play,
he may not play, but usually he will play. But
she's to the point now though, that she is strictly
hot wife, BBC material. I mean, she, you know,
she may go there as a dominant, um, um, bisexual,
you know, and, and play with the ladies like
she just did recently, um, playing with several,
but, That was pretty much all that she did. You
know, she didn't do anything else. And, you know,
he played and then they came back home. So I
just find it very, I tell them all the time,
I was like, it would be hard for me to go with
them to an event. I could go, but I know that
I would be just there and just in as a big cheerleader
for them. I really probably would not connect
with a whole lot of people. So it sounds like
it's a whole lot of... uh how do i say it rolling
the dice you know what i mean when you go to
those events because like i said you two are
very very good looking all right and i know attractiveness
is the first you know the first and foremost
thing and sometimes you don't find that or you
may talk to somebody i guess and you know the
the connection isn't there with one so you know
and just uh the square is uh is square for me
yeah well then it's it's hard for queen of spades
to in to find yeah the full swap dynamic there's
not as many interracial couples uh i know and
so i've been in them see it's the challenging
part uh yeah i think this is i think she said
it was two two black guys at this uh event the
other week just two and i think one and that's
just and that's not even enough for her right
knowing her knowing knowing your baby girl a
little bit yeah yeah and then yeah and then you
know she she knows she now knows you know the
definition she knows the definition of like quality
so she was like baby no it wasn't even you know
it wasn't worth my time so because i asked her
i was like you've been telling me you did something
she's like nope i did not she's like not quality
So she has come a long way, let's say that much.
But, yeah, I don't know if I could necessarily
go with them to a whole bunch of those events.
I just can't see it. But the next one, though,
the next one, the circle, if we're finished with
the square, the circle, that's very intriguing
to me. It's very intriguing because we can blend
in as bulls. Or we can fuck it up as bulls. So
I'll let y 'all start that off. Yeah, yep, yep.
So the circle principle is open flow, right?
So the principles of this shape and why we decided
on that is because there's no beginning and no
end and no center. That's the biggest thing.
There's no center, right? The power of the circle
is in continuity, freedom, and fluidity. And
I love that, right? So in a circle, there's no
actual real point, right? So the point is open
and flowing. And these dynamics, in our opinion,
covers polyamory, over relationships, relationship
anarchy, fluid bonded groups, which I actually
don't even know what that really means. I'll
probably look that up. I know what it means.
Oh, what is it? Fluid bonded groups. That's like
that polyamorous polytool that we met. There's
like two couples. They're married. Or they're
closed. They're married. No, they're not closed.
They're just, they're fluid bonded as far as
like the four of them play without protection.
You know, so you could have as many people as
you wanted in a fluid bonded group. And then
everybody else, they play with, with protection.
So, but they've agreed that the four of them
are fluid. Yeah. And, and also stag and vixen
dynamics like cars, right? So partners may play
separately together or in a constellation style
relationship. So I like that. So, um, I really
like this one because the circle just represents
the openness of it. It represents the fact that
because there is no, I mean, technically in a
circle, there's a, there's a non visible point
in the center, right? But there is no point.
And so that just means it's fluid to allow the
dynamics to figure things out for themselves.
And I think that's the most important part. That's
what is for us. We just, We just happen to really
love me as being a bull, a married bull, and
Siren also dipping her foot into the cuck -sitting
end of it, and she's really loving that, and
we're loving that dynamic. But, you know, we
flowed. We can work in a swap situation, right?
We can work in a, okay, just a unicorn that...
I might go out and play with them by myself,
or Unicorn will bring to us as a couple. We can
flow in and out of just severe couples. I like
to flow into the threesome with you and another
guy, but it doesn't... Do you want to talk about
that? Yeah, I'll talk about it. It doesn't often
work out very well, because unless the guy just
really knows my Socrates, you know, well, if
he feels comfortable with him. Anytime we've
tried that in a new situation, the guy usually
isn't able to work his magic with Socrates in
the room. So Socrates usually, if we're, you
know, we're at our house, then he usually goes
out to live here and watch some Star Wars, have
some snacks, a nice little nap while me and the
guy, the single guy play. So I would, you know,
and it's worked out a handful of times now to
have all three of us together, but. It's not
disappointing by any means. It's just something
that I'm like, that would be cool to do more
often. Let me ask, why doesn't it work with the
guy? Does he look at Socrates and he's intimidated
by him? And it's not necessarily dick size because
there's been guys that have a bigger dick than
Socrates. And still, it's just like, it's just
the power. And Socrates does not. He doesn't,
yeah, he doesn't overwhelm the situation. You
know, as we know, we, yeah. I keep telling you,
it's the aura. You hear me talk about it all
the time. It's Socrates' charisma, okay? Socrates
is totally and absolutely confident in his relationship
with you all, okay? He knows that he is the king.
He knows that you are his queen. Nothing is going
to get between you guys. Nothing. I don't care
what you do sexually or whatever. Nothing is
never going to become emotional. It's never going
to become anything other than just that role
playing at that time or that scene, as I call
it, or encounter. That's a better word, that
encounter at that time. So, you know, when he
walks in and then, I mean, hell, he's totally
comfortable because it's his lady. So, you know
what I mean? I can be my total self. It's my
wife. You know, so, yeah, the guy comes in. He's
I can see I can see him getting nervous. I can
see the gentleman getting nervous. And we really
do our best to set it up. Yeah. So it's not like
I understand. Senator Doerr. Yeah. What? Yeah.
I think the second or third time around, it's
easier. But the first time, too, it's like we
usually make dinner for people when they come
over. We go in the hot tub for a while, wing
out, have a drink. You know, we do all of that
before we get to play. I mean, I don't think
there's been a guy that's walked in the door.
We're like, hey, drop your pants. Let's go. That
goes right into what I was going to say here.
If that bull knocks on your door thinking that
he's going to come in and just. just balls to
the walls we're going at you know sex then he
is fucked from the jump all right there has to
be some verbal i call it verbal judo there has
to be some great communication okay some great
communication um that bull has to adapt okay
he has to be able to look and see how like happy
you guys are how you guys interact with with
each other how let's say you're touchy -feely
or you talk to each other and then he just blends
in He blends in. That makes him comfortable.
That makes you comfortable, Siren. And it damn
sure makes Socrates comfortable when they can
jaw jack back and forth. You know? And then you
take it a little extra. Okay? Then don't do it
again. Don't put your dick out. Just start with
some petting. I call it light petting. Touching,
feeling, tight, rubbing. Wrap your arms around.
Then go to kissing. And then let it build and
build and build. Then you have a great encounter.
I broke that down. You sure did. That's kind
of what the hot tub part is all about. It's getting
comfortable and then you're feeling under the
water. Nobody's watching what you're doing and
you're sneaking. You know what's so funny about
the word petting is that I grew up super conservatively
and that was something that we're like. You know,
because abstinence was preached and it was like,
beware of petting. So it's funny to hear it in
a positive way now. Like, oh, let's just start
with some petting. I mean, sorry. Now times change.
I really do think there's a myriad of reasons.
One, a lot of these guys are used to white couples,
white men. Two, I don't know what this is and
we're going to have an episode about this. There's
not a lot of... I don't personally know a lot
of black stags, right? I can count on one hand
the black stags that I know. So a lot of guys,
and then a lot of guys are used to their husbands
either not being able to, not wanting to, or
wanting something different, or just wanting
that variety for their wives. They're not used
to another six foot tall, totally confident,
experienced. Exactly. with you know above average
dick who's like i got it handled but i just have
an insatiable wife so have you know i mean and
so my energy in the room like you're saying my
aura is not like oh i'm gonna sit in the corner
like a cuck and i want you to please my wife
or i'm gonna join in but you're bringing the
virality or you're bringing the energy or you're
bringing the variety no i'm like bruh my wife
can handle three four at a time you know what
i mean so so help him help him out you know yeah
but let me say this though even even if you did
sit and just watch here again your aura the way
you are the confidence you know what i mean that
the average the average boy would look at you
and be like okay um i don't see i don't see no
like reaction from you all right like with me
looking at looking at lindsey You know what I
mean? I'm there. I'm very, very supportive, very,
very vocal. You know, some guys might sit there
and they don't say a freaking doggone word, and
that can intimidate the bull. They can throw
him off his game. But like I said, the aura is
everything. The aura is everything. You know,
here again, that's why I say the circle for the
bull, he needs to come in first and foremost.
He needs to be very, very... intelligent, to
play in the circle, you need to be kind of an
experienced guy. Like you've been in it for a
little while. I'm not saying you're a master
of anything, but you need to have dotted some
I's and crossed some T's in the lifestyle, okay,
before you, you know, get into that dynamic.
So, yeah, no. That was all I had for as far as
that's concerned. Before we move on to the next
one, let's talk about some key traits for this
for the circle. So basically, I love these things,
autonomy and personal agency. Right. So in the
circle, it's way more compared to the square.
It's way more about individual autonomy and agency.
In other words, my voice matters individually.
What I want to do. individually needs to be taken
into consideration whereas the square it's more
of like we're making sure everybody is on an
equal plane and getting their nades in an equal
way and it doesn't have to be equal that night
right like sometimes you can be in a square dynamic
say you know what let me make a little bit more
about my wife tonight right or make it more about
my husband or we're really gonna wow this unicorn
right but at the same time What you're really
coming from is the paradigm of everybody has
equal agency and equal autonomy. Whereas the
circle, it's individual. Emotional depth and
romantic potential. So in the circle, it's a
lot more open, whereas like open but not a rule.
So like for me and Siren, we are not poly. And
so that door is not open, right? But... It's
way more open than it would be in a square dynamic
in the words like if it comes about and we're
ready in that stage of our life and we've Discussed
it a million times. We've got our rules down
and we know what the parameters are. That's something
we can't explore, but we're not And then the
last one versatility and roles that's my favorite
part, right? So for example bulls stags Secondaries
lovers friends with benefits in the circle paradigm.
It's versatile Right? It's not 100 % set what
the bull's doing or what the stag's doing or
what the hot wife is coming from or it can be
things like open, you know, friends with benefits.
Right? There are poly relationships where they'll
bring me in as a bull, not because they're a
cuckold relationship, but they just want, they
have their boyfriend, but they just want a guy
that they can bring in as a friends with benefits.
You know, I beat it up. I respect them. And I,
you know, I have, I'm an experienced guy. So
a lot of times I'm talking kind of thuggish or
rough, but I'm an experienced guy, right? So
I'll come in and give them that experience. But
in a positive relationship, they understand with
this dynamic, we're not getting into an emotional
state. We're not going to have an emotional relationship,
right? But I'm going to come in as a friend,
as a friend with benefits, as a bull. We're going
to have a scene. We're going to have fun. And
then I'm going to bounce, right? but it could
develop though but it could say that it could
develop it could develop all right that just
depends on that bull that you pick you know what
i mean if he knows how to keep it um a certain
way and the friends that benefits way okay great
but if there's that real real connection that
real real deep connection between bull and you
know wife uh it could it could turn it could
turn into something else All right. And I know
what I'm talking about. Oh, I know you do. That's
why we got you here on 30 years, over 30 years
of experience. So the biggest thing to me is
being versatile and emotional intelligence. So
when a bull enters in a circle dynamic, his opportunity
is to show his leadership and his emotional intelligence.
It's not about dominance. It's about adapting.
That's Ankh's favorite word. Supporting and sometimes
staying. In other words, your staying ability
or your ability to be stable and a rock, when
you're entering in that circle dynamic, the crazy
thing is a lot of times there's chaos because
it's so fluid, because the roles are so versatile.
And a bull, when a bull comes into those dynamics,
he brings great leadership, not dominance, right?
So he's going to help. lead that dynamic or whoever's
in that dynamic in a way where they're having
a great time, right? And he is a master of communication
in this situation or needs to be so that he's
making sure that these versatile roles are still
communicating when things change. Does that make
sense, y 'all? Like, Siren, what do you think?
Your perspective on the bull, which is right,
we're a bull brother. This is a perspective from
a bull. So if a bull is entering a circle dynamic
where there's a lot of changing dynamics, there's
a lot of fluid roles being involved, it's like
it's not, you know, it's not centered on one
or the other. And it's also not like as fixed
as like the triangle is. Right. Like, so what's
your perspective on a good bull entering into
the circle dynamic? Well, just someone to that,
you know. In any dynamic in the lifestyle, it's
really important to have great communication.
So whoever he's involved with, he needs to make
sure that he's really on top of the communication.
And he can be a leader in that area too, you
know, as just reaching out, making sure that
everyone's on the same page of, you know, what
everyone's role is in that circle. For us, for
me, I have certain requirements. I probably have
more requirements for the bull playing with me
solo than my husband has for them. I require
that they give him a call. And even though my
husband's like, you don't have to run this by
me, blah, blah, blah, I want to establish some
authority in that. So they need to be respectful
of whatever dynamic that that woman is in and
kind of check, hey, is there... Is there, you
know, a man that I need to check in with or a
woman, you know, whatever dynamic they're in.
And then I think, you know, just being flexible.
There's going to be, you know, there may be some
emotional ups and downs with couples. You know,
a bull will have to, you know, just be receptive
to whatever's going on with them and be able
to have some flexibility there. And, you know,
just the more kind of. laid back they are in
that area, then they can be adapting. Then the
more dominant they can be later. So if they're
a little more laid back on the front end, but
good with the communicating, you can be laid
back, but then also be assertive, if that makes
sense. It's a healthy balance right there. That
you should select should have a whole arsenal
of questions about what you like, what you desire.
what the boundaries are, okay, et cetera, et
cetera, et cetera. That's what that requires.
That's what that communication mastery to me
means. I will come in with a barrage of questions.
You know what I mean? To make everybody, to let
both of you guys know that, hey, I'm here for
you. You know what I'm saying? This is about
your experience. We are here to help. I want
you guys to have the experience. the experience
with me okay because this is probably i would
say the circle is closest to the to the um the
boyfriend experience as i call it you know without
being a boyfriend but it's that's what he's there
to do give you a boyfriend experience and then
roll out but if he misses here again if he doesn't
dot every i across every team when he's questioning
you guys um then he you know he messes the thing
up he has the potential to mess everything up
But if you guys are on that same feed of music
with the communication, I mean, talking, talking,
talking, talking. And yes, Siren, I would say
I would tell you, if you don't mind, please relay
something to your husband. Or is it OK if I relay
this to your husband? So we're all on the same
page. Right. And I pretty much hand over, you
know, his phone number quickly. You know, if
I plan to meet up with someone and. And he's
like, well, if they're coming to our house, he's
like, you know, they don't have to call me, but
I just require it. I just do the same steps every
time. That way, it's something that's muscle
memory for me. It establishes that authority
of him being my leader and my king. And then,
you know, then establishes that they need to
respect him before they can get to the other
prizes. This ain't about me coming in. as a bull
and trying to dominate anything or show dominance.
No. Be respectful until it's time to be disrespectful
is what we like to say. And there's, you know,
in the lifestyle too, women, you know, need a
variety of the, you know, the communication and
the time spent. And I'm a little bit on the lower
end of You know, how much I need to get involved
with someone. You mean at the bottom? Hey, I'm
trying to be like... Man, just throw me under
the bus. You don't... Look, you don't require
much at all. I mean, and that's not meaning low
standards. She's looking... Y 'all, if y 'all
can see her face, I would have been dead. What
I mean by that... We're gonna have to edit this
part out because there's about to be a death.
It's about to be some furniture moving around.
I can't lift over 10. Oh, so you're lucky. You
can pull that trigger finger. Yeah, I think my
gun only lays. What I mean by that, ladies and
gentlemen, is Siren can tell. She has an incredibly
keen sense of her intuition about people. Now,
I ask her to take more time with the ladies because
she is my slut secretary. But with men, she could
tell instantly. And so once she can tell and
she feels comfortable with you, let's go. It
doesn't mean you're not going to go through those
processes of you got to talk to my husband. Let
me find out if you're an idiot. All of those
things. Let's have some vibes. Right. But I'm
just saying, like, the cool thing about her is
she is not going to take a week, a couple of
days to figure it out. She's going to know almost
right away. And then if the doors open, let's
go see if you can get over these hurdles. And
if you do. Then you're good. But what I like
about her is, you know, you ain't got to take
a week. They're not very big hurdles sometimes.
And I would say at events, it's even, you know,
less. It's like I've told guys, I said at the
last event I was at, I said, you know, you understand
that there's women out here that need more time
and attention from you before they can get to
the play part. I want you to give that to them.
But know that I'm here to be. you know, a treat,
I guess. You know, I don't require as much, especially
at events. So it's like if we're talking vibing
maybe 10, 15 minutes, you know, I'm ready to
go. You know, I know that quickly. Other women
need longer and there's nothing wrong with that.
But it's kind of it's kind of nice to have a
little bit of everything. You know, there's the
women that need a longer, deeper connection.
And then there's some women like me that are
just. quicker you know we're we're a smack so
and we like that you know i i'm there was one
guy at a pool in uh fort lauderdale and um he
barely got in the pool and then we started making
out like within a minute i was like let's go
the daytime playroom and he was like i just got
in the pool i said come on just give me 15 minutes
you know and he's like oh okay he was relieved
he's like oh we can go play for 15 minutes and
we can come right back i'm like yeah let's do
it So we went and did that. He knows he didn't
have to give me two hours, you know? And so I
just started explaining that to guys. I'm like,
I like a longer experience, but hey, if we got
15 minutes, I'm still going to have a good time.
Nothing against that. I'm willing. Let's go to
bed. Not easy, but a yelling. I know. Not easy.
Yeah, I like that. Open. You're open. You're
open to all the possibilities. Open all the possibilities.
But you see, and here again, that's the difference
between those guys who are, I still call them
anxious compared to, say, some of the more seasoned
ones who like to break you down a little bit.
You know what I mean? And not necessarily play
with you, but just have you thinking. have you
thinking like you know like what's going on in
that guy's head why hasn't he you know taken
me to the room already or this and that so that's
just the difference between say myself uh the
season one and you know some of the guys that
go to splash yeah that's why i kind of look at
the guys who go to splash as they're pretty much
bbc bulls a lot of them are they're not the ones
that are you know the more uh season ones but
yeah that's another conversation keep it going
y 'all yeah that's another episode so i just
wanted to say this and then we'll move on to
the triangle um our the reason for this podcast
gentlemen ladies and gentlemen is mastery and
you'll see it this is a lifestyle mastery podcast
that means if you are a seasoned vet and you've
been doing this for years we want to have something
for you to even sharpen your skills but if you're
new Look, this lifestyle is so amazing, and there's
so many high -level experiences. You can, but
like anything in life, it takes work to get there.
And then we'll talk about K 'nai, our commitment,
which is constant and never -ending improvement,
never -ending improvement. And that's what we're
committed to. The squad that we have and the
brothers that we hang around with, these are
all seasoned brothers. You know, I'm eight years
in, almost nine, and I'm the, you know, the junior
of the bunch. And this is tools that we're giving
you guys so that you can come into any one of
these dynamics and just be powerful and have
really great experiences because, man, this last
event we went to, it was tears. It was tears
because they were so happy and they got what
they wanted and they had a license to be themselves
and they had good quality bulls. that understood
that man the relationships you formed the experiences
you have knowing that it's unprecedented man
and it's unparalleled and you know we we want
you guys to have access to that that's why we're
doing this shit man and that's absolutely beautiful
because they're going to go back and tell one
other couple and that couple's going to tell
another couple and so on and so on and so on
and the bulls are going to go back and make the
brotherhood even stronger by telling other brothers
So that's what we're looking for. That's why
we're doing this podcast. Because like I said,
having been in this since I was 26, 27 years
old, it is time for me now to pass the torch
on to other younger brothers and keep this family,
keep this lifestyle going and going and going
and getting bigger and bigger and bigger. Because,
ladies and gentlemen, whether or not you know
it, Although still considered, you know, underground,
the hot wife, old cuckold world is huge. It is
freaking huge. It is all over the United States.
It is all over the world. Um, movies. Now I've
seen more than movies in the last year, uh, involving
this lifestyle. Okay. And, and, and so that,
I mean, that should tell you it's, it's bigger
and bigger and bigger. And, uh, You know, we're
just happy to be able to come in and share some
of our experiences and some of our knowledge.
And we hope that you gravitate to us, to this
podcast, to Siren's podcast. Can't wait for her
to, you know, to really, really get into it with
hopefully my lady, Lindsay. And, you know, we're
just going to keep this thing rolling. We're
going to keep it rolling. And this is a beautiful
world to live in. Let me tell you, a beautiful
world to live in again. And I speak for, you
know, Siren and Socrates because they are my
family. Phillip and Lindsay, of course, my family.
But these are some of the happiest couples I've
ever met in my life. Period. Facts. All right.
Now I'm going to shut up so we can keep going.
But you guys just think about that. On to the
triangle, y 'all. On to the triangle. The power
dynamic, y 'all. This is the one I love. Yeah.
So the principles behind that is the three fixed
points connected by tension, right? The triangle
is the most stable shape under pressure because
each point supports the other. Now, this is where
the big debate you're going to hear with the
commission. This is where the controversy comes
in. Our opinion is not the same shared opinion
of the community. So we're going to talk about
it because I believe in this strongly. And the
most important thing for me is that there are
three points connected by tension, connected
by, you know, wanting to support each other and
equality. And I want Unk to speak on this. And
why do you, I know, Unk, you share this opinion
because I, you know, sat under your fit and listened
to your wisdom on it. And so I want you to kind
of speak on that. And then you can kind of flow
into whatever else you want. But I really want
to hear that part. Okay. Of course, I'm going
to start with what the bull brings, you know,
to this. Here again. The bull can, he can be,
he can bring his dominance into this. But at
the same time, he, again, he has to bring versatility
into it. He has to bring emotions. He has to
bring, here's my favorite word again, adaptability.
You know, this triangle requires strength, intuition,
you know. the bull the bull leads the cook uh
he he's i hate to say the word submissive but
you know he yields his his strength in other
words and then the hot wife she she she flourishes
you know she she gets the best of both worlds
right here she gets to see her husband over there
you know you know loving seeing her being being
pleased not only physically but also emotionally
then the bull He's getting the best of both worlds
because he's having that connection with the
wife, and he's also having that connection with
the husband. You know what I mean? Hell, they
can go from not communicating a whole lot to
communicating, I mean, almost like best friends.
So, I mean, this is a three -way. This leads,
this goes from you, from that bull going from
the BBC bull, let's say the versatile, guy, the
boyfriend, and then it may lead to him becoming
part of a throuple, i .e. myself. I just define
what the hell I am. So, you know, that's why
I say I gravitate to the triangle more than anything.
And I love it because everybody here definitely
is on the same page. Open -minded, honesty, communication.
et cetera, et cetera. So take it from there,
y 'all. I love that. The bull leads, the staggered
cuck relinquishes, and the wife flourishes. Oh,
that's so dope. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness,
that's so dope. Yeah, so one of the things that
I like to focus on is the fact that in this dynamic
is, you know, cuckolding, hot wife, stag, vixen.
These dynamics are distinct roles in polarity.
And like my boy Michael C. says, the hot wife
or the cuckoldress flourishes. That's why it's
wife -centric. Some people look at my dynamic,
damn near play as much as your wife. Well, I'm
like, no. Number one, it's really hard for a
man to keep up with a wife if they are, you know,
equally open to play. But number two. It's about
the wife flourishing, right? I'm leading for
one reason for the wife to flourish. The cook
is relinquishing for one reason, the wife to
flourish. And I love that because that's what
it's all about. So it's a paradigm of making
it wife centric so that the wife can flourish.
I love that, you know, and then the bull and
the cook stack and the hot wife form a powerful
aligned trio, right? For me, I eat a throuple.
That's right. I eat a throuple if that's what
you're looking for. Yeah. I mean, for me, they're
all equal points. That's why it's a triangle.
And they have equal challenges. They might have
unequal specific things that they're dealing
with, right? Like a bull doesn't have to consult
with his, you know, Wife or husband, at least
in that dynamic. So I'm a married bull, and if
I go to a couple and they don't want Cuck sitting,
then my wife's not involved. She might schedule
it, and that's it, right? But I'm going into
that dynamic, and I'm going there to make sure
she's connected, right? To make sure she's aligned
in this trio. But I have unique challenges, you
know? Cuck has unique challenges. And the hot
wife has unique challenges. She has to worry
about her cuck in that situation. She has to
make sure his needs are met. He's worried about
the wife. He's making sure that her needs are
met. You know what I mean? But we all have equal
challenges. I don't subscribe to this mentality
that, oh, well, you know, there's a lot more
bulls out here that ain't right. Well, that's
true only because right now, The focus is on
the bull trying to get the wife. He has to jump
through all the hurdles and overcome obstacles
and, you know, all of those things to try and
make that wife feel comfortable and the cuck
feel comfortable. But when you get more into
this lifestyle and you start knowing the details
of these dynamics, you know, not every cuckold
couple is awesome. Not every cuckold couple is
perfect. Not every couple has their shit together,
right? They bring baggage to the table. that
the bull has to navigate, as well as flaky bulls,
right? Bulls claiming to be dominant, and they
have no idea what dominance is, right? You know?
Right? So it's like we all deal with unique challenges.
I'm not to take away from the Karkovsk challenges,
not to take away from the stress that they have
to deal with and the issues they have to deal
with, but it's more of like, hey, you know? As
a bull, I don't want to be treated like, oh,
okay, you know, Mr. Mocha talks about this a
lot. You know, when a couple, a couple is concerned
about privacy, well, we're professionals. We
don't want to share our pictures. We don't want
to take the risk of you knowing our faces. Well,
hey, guess what? I'm a professional too. You
know, I own businesses. I'm, you know, involved
in my community. I live in a conservative community,
right? I don't want my face out in the streets
either do you. We're both taking a risk here,
right? So I understand your concerns. Oh, well,
my wife is shy. My wife's this. That's great.
I might be shy too, just because I'm a bull doesn't
mean there aren't introverted bulls. Doesn't
mean there aren't shy in the beginning bulls,
right? So, you know, that's my whole thing. It's
like, you know, it's equal, right? There's defined
roles. That's the difference, right? In the circle,
there isn't defined roles. You know, for us,
it's dominant, and we'll say submissive or relinquisher,
and radiant feminine. I love that. Radiant feminine.
Those are defined roles. Doesn't mean, again,
we're not trying to pigeonhole y 'all. Y 'all
do what you want, right? But what that means
is, is that in a triangle or cuckold relationship,
right, we know at least in context of that scene
with the bull and the wife, or that cuckoldress,
right? There's a dynamic there where he's going
to lead her, right? So sexual polarity and intentional
imbalance, right? In order to create any kind
of attraction, whether it's vanilla or lifestyle,
there has to be tension. There has to be sexual
polarity, right? Because if you think about North
Pole and South Pole, Those polarities push against
each other, which creates gravity, creates an
attraction to each other. That's what you're
doing. As a bull, you're coming in dominant or
leadership energy. And she's given the polarity
of feminine or relinquishing that control to
that dominant. That's a polarity that you want.
The biggest thing is compersion. Sometimes a
humiliation or even devotion may exist, right?
So there's devotion from the bull sometimes.
There's definitely devotion from the cuck. And
there's devotion from the hot wife or cuckodress
to their husband. But the biggest thing is compersion,
right? Like, I think, and I want your opinion
on this, Unc. I think a good bull needs a little
bit of compersion. To see that couple, like the
last event we went to, to see the smiles and
the radiance in the cuck and the hot wise faces,
that was compersion for me. But what do you think,
Uncle? If that isn't what the bull wants to see
every time he has an encounter, then he should
get out of the business. Because that's what
it's all about. That's what it's all about. It's
never about you, okay? I think I've told you
before, nephew. I'm pleased when the couple reaches
out to me, when the couple shows interest in
me, when the couple says, hey, we want to meet.
I'm pleased right there. So now it's all about
that couple. And it's not just about the wife.
OK, I'm going to know within five to 10 minutes
whether or not she and I are going to have a
good time. But I want to make that husband equally
as happy in his role. If he's a real cook, then
I want him to have. that real cuck experience
okay if he wants to be you know slightly humiliated
or whatever then i'm gonna make sure that that
happens but at the end of the night when i'm
getting ready to leave them i want them both
to be able to come up to me and be like we we
enjoyed you and we want to see you again that's
the that's the ultimate bull experience right
there in a nutshell so if you're not trying to
do that guys when you're out there you're in
the wrong field Siren, what do you think? Do
you think a good bull can not have that compersion
feeling? Like, you know, some of the ones that
are a little bit more comfortable with me leaving
the room, what do you think? Like, what's the
point? You know, it's just very self -serving
if that's the only reason that you're there is
for yourself, you know? It was very fun, I would
just say, to be at that event and to hear from
the bulls. playing with the other dynamics like
just how excited that they were and they talked
probably actually more about the cuck and like
how cool it was to like you know it be in the
experience with them even more than some of like
the the women you know because and and just like
how happy they were to be able to like be of
service to that couple you know it was just you
could tell the enjoyment definitely hit all points
of that triangle and So the ones that, you know,
I've run into that are very comfortable with
that, it seems like they're super comfortable
and they enjoy all aspects of that. Or there's
the ones that just are green and clueless and
then they yuck other people's yums, which we
don't like anybody who yucks someone's yum anyways.
So it's like you might not understand it. I had,
you know, remember, I think on a different pursuit,
I told you guys, like, I used to think that someone
putting a tuck in the cage was like a literal
cage, like a human -sized dog crate or something.
And then, you know, that's just ignorance, right?
So I had ignorance, but I was just like, I need
to find out more about this because I just don't
really know anything about it. And then the more
I know about it, the more beautiful and the more
appreciative I am of. all of that and then just
being around more people like that you know not
being in that dynamic myself I just was able
to have you know an even greater appreciation
for the dynamic and just really enjoy you know
talking to to all points on the triangle and
how they related to each other was really cool
let me ask you guys this did you notice the interaction
between the bulls as far as communicating with
each other like say after an encounter or Just
like during, say, breakfast or lunch or out at
the pool, you know, were they like a real brotherhood
there? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah,
because they were having such a great time. You
know, the experience was a true experience. It
was a different experience than a Splash Mocha.
Right. Well, and it was smaller. you know grouping
and so i think you knowing that they were all
there for that purpose to be a part of a cuckold
dynamic um you know with the with the exception
of us who were just helping you know at the event
so just knowing that they were there for that
it was a very focused time and then they when
they're talking to each other you know they all
know they're there for the same purpose for the
same thing so it was so that That made it easier
than going to Splash. You're like, hey, what
kind of dynamics are you? You know what's in
there. Splash is speed fucking. That's all the
fuck it is. That's what Splash is. All the great
is speed fucking. You all know that. The morning
gathering was where it's at. As a bull, you do
not get a chance to master your craft at Splash
Mocha. At smaller events, you get a chance to
master your craft. And they got a chance to actually
be what a bull is supposed to be at Utopia. You
know what I mean? They met. They had great conversation.
They interacted with, you know what I mean, not
just sexually, but they actually interacted,
acted with. They got to know these couples on
a whole different vibe, physically, emotionally,
you know. So it was the total experience. Right.
That was tight. Exactly. It was time to slow
down and interact with other bulls more. Exactly,
exactly. And the bulls, they had to exude patience.
You had to have some patience there because,
like I said, you had couples there that were,
you guys told me that there were some veterans
there, and then I think you had some ones who
had never been to something like that before,
correct? Exactly. So they had to be patient,
you know what I mean, and let nature take its
course. So that was that was the perfect event
for those nine or 10 guys who went, you know,
regardless if they were seasoned vets or if they
were just, you know, getting into the damn into
the, you know, the Bull Brotherhood. So, yeah,
that was that was good. That was great. I want
to give I want to give Michael see his flower.
So what we're talking about is the club utopia.
It's on the keys and inklets dot com or keys
and inklets podcast dot com. website. Him and
Blonde by the Bay put this thing together. We
were just there as kind of helping them. They
did a really good job of selecting the right
bulls and he also created a telegram group to
keep everybody's privacy and that these bulls
can talk to each other and they were able to
kind of talk to each other and get to know a
little bit about each other beforehand. And so
what I saw is that they started forming friendships
and bonds right away. You started seeing guys
that didn't know each other beforehand. They
were hanging out the whole weekend on, you know,
times resting in between play and in between
the events and eating and stuff. And you saw
them really bonding and connecting. It was dope.
Here again, at smaller events where you just
got eight, nine, ten guys, it really is you guys
get to practice what being brothers is all about.
You know, like fraternal brothers. You know,
like I said, Splash, you got a hundred motherfuckers
there. Hell, it's all about damn competing. You're
competing. You know what I mean? You're running
from one to the other. Oh, I saw this one, but
he grabbed up. So let me go to the other one
over here. You can't enjoy what being a bull
is really all about at those big events. They're
fun. Don't get me wrong. They are fun. I never
downgrade Splash. I love going to Splash. But
now I love being the... Kind of like the voyeur
at Splash and just watching everybody, you know,
how they operate, especially the guys. But at
a smaller event, though, when you get to really
practice your craft, you get to hone your skills,
that's perfect. So, you know, here again, shout
out to Michael C. and shout out to you two for
having a great damn event. You know, and I won't
miss the next one. I certainly won't. Yes, sir.
All right, Unc, well, I want to kind of end it
up with a little, I got a little grid for y 'all.
If you guys can kind of picture this grid, the
square, circle, and triangle grid. I don't know
if you guys want to talk about something else,
but I just kind of want to share that to kind
of give people a little visual in their head
that they can picture. If you're going to look
at each shape, each one symbolizes something
and each one is a typical dynamic. And then there's
what an ideal bull trait. could or recommend
it and i really like this so as far as the square
that symbolizes balance and reciprocity right
the typical dynamics usually are swingers or
the swapping mentality and the ideal bull trait
to me is charismatic guest bull if you walk in
in a square dynamic which is the least one you're
going to get as a bull, right? It's going to
be rare that you walk into that dynamic, but
you can as a single male. You want to come in
as a charismatic guest to that square, right?
And then the challenge is you got to wait for
mutual desire, right? You have to make sure that
the male in that. couple is more comfortable
with you. You got to make sure she's obviously
attracted to you, that she's going to make sure
he's good, you know, that kind of thing. When
it comes to the circle, it symbolizes flow and
versatility, right? And these dynamics are open
relationships, poly, stag vixen, it's flexibility,
right? Now, the ideal trait for there for a bull
is emotional agility and patience, right? Um,
the risk is of being ambiguous or confusing,
right? So in a circle, you know, there's a lot
of dynamics. There's a lot of complexity to it.
You know, it's a lot of free flowing and you
really want to be emotionally agile. Right. You
don't want to have too many expectations or rules
or parameters you have to walk in. If you are
one of those bulls, I got all these preferences
and I have, you know, sensory deprivation or
I like it this way or I need it that way or I
want the approach to be this way or I only approach
that way. I really don't recommend that because,
you know, you're gone. It's not like every single,
you know, situation is going to be difficult.
But, you know, for us, you have to be versatile
with us being Stag Vixen because you might come
over and I might say something and I'm going
to go in the backyard and, you know, put my fire
and chill or I'm going to come in here and watch
some Star Wars, like Siren said, you know, or
I might be involved. Or you might be at a party
and I'm throwing a party and I want to make sure
that everybody's getting their individual needs
met. So you want to be versatile. To the triangle
symbol, that represents tension and polarity,
right? Now, the dynamics are cuckolding, outwifing,
structured, stag, vixen, right? The ideal trait
for the bull is dominance, leadership, and being
intentional, right? When you come into a cuckold
relationship or a stag -vixen relationship where
he is relinquishing power as a stag or a cuck,
you want to be intentional. You want to have
a fucking game plan. And I like the word leadership
as opposed to dominance. I think dominance is
the description you describe of what it looks
like for a leader to lead. Because dominance
is not about being mean or aggressive or not
considering what that person's concerns are.
It's about leading them through. a scene or through
a relationship in a way where you can navigate
everybody to ecstasy and fun and things being
safe. Can I say something? That was why I said
what I said earlier when I did say you can be
dominant or expected to be dominant, but you
don't have to be dominant. Remember what I've
said in the past, ladies and gentlemen, and my
fellow bulls out there. Confidence breeds dominance.
If you go into that situation as a confident
male, as a confident bull, then it's going to
exude the dominance. They're going to automatically
both the wife and the husband will immediately
submit to you and let you lead from the front.
So that's why I said you can be dominant going
in there. But if you're not necessarily the one
that exudes that dominance, at least be extremely
confident. Like I said, you go in there confident,
it's going to automatically turn into dominance.
So go ahead now, nephew. Yes, sir. I just want
to finish off with one quote. Your lifestyle
dynamic reflects the shape of your energy. Squares
are about equality. Circles are about expansion.
And triangles are about power. Know your shape?
Great points. Great points. Great points. Great
points. And a great podcast for this evening.
Great podcast. Anything you guys want to say?
No, that's what an end quote is for. Put an exclamation
point on it. Ladies and gentlemen, we're going
to close this one out for this evening. As always,
I'm the Sigma Male. Brian Morgan, along with
the family, Siren and Soccer Cheese, coming at
you from the Bull Brotherhood podcast. We will
see you another time soon. Hopefully within the
next week, correct? Yes, sir. All right. And
as always, in signing off, to my brothers of
the Brotherhood out there, good night. And to
my sexy sirens. hot wives and unicorns. Good
morning. Until we meet again, y 'all. This brotherhood's
for men whose stories need to get told. Say it
loud. Say it loud. This is who we are. Bold,
confident, seductive. Dominant and classy. We
stand tall, never fall. Bold brotherhood. Luxury
untold.