WEBVTT 00:00:00.270 --> 00:00:03.930 This podcast contains explicit adult content 00:00:03.930 --> 00:00:07.750 mature themes and candid conversations about 00:00:07.750 --> 00:00:12.109 sex dominance power exchange and ethical non 00:00:12.109 --> 00:00:16.010 -monogamy It is intended for audiences 18 and 00:00:16.010 --> 00:00:20.649 over only listener discretion is advised The 00:00:20.649 --> 00:00:23.250 views expressed by our guests are theirs alone 00:00:23.250 --> 00:00:26.989 and do not necessarily reflect the views or values 00:00:26.989 --> 00:00:30.320 of the hosts producers, or affiliated brands. 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:34.179 The Bull Brotherhood podcast is for educational, 00:00:34.420 --> 00:00:37.119 entertainment, and empowerment purposes only. 00:00:37.539 --> 00:00:39.960 Nothing in this podcast should be interpreted 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:44.659 as legal advice, medical guidance, or psychological 00:00:44.659 --> 00:00:48.359 counseling. We speak from experience, not credentials. 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:52.159 Always practice consent, respect the boundaries 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:55.780 of others, and follow local laws. If you're not 00:00:55.780 --> 00:00:59.240 comfortable with Frank talk about sex, kink dominance 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:02.679 or emotional power this probably isn't the show 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:05.400 for you but if you're ready to step into your 00:01:05.400 --> 00:01:08.680 masculine edge and embrace a lifestyle that demands 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:14.700 mastery welcome to the brotherhood welcome to 00:01:14.700 --> 00:01:17.780 the bull brotherhood podcast where we talk power 00:01:17.780 --> 00:01:20.900 pleasure and the art of dominance and ethical 00:01:20.900 --> 00:01:23.680 non -monogamy this is not your average lifestyle 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:27.700 podcast this is for men who lead men who master 00:01:28.359 --> 00:01:31.359 and men who leave a lasting impression. If you're 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:34.379 here, you're not just curious. You're ready to 00:01:34.379 --> 00:01:38.299 elevate. So to all the bulls, hot wives, stags, 00:01:38.340 --> 00:01:42.079 and open -minded explorers, we see you. Let's 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:46.280 go. Ladies and gentlemen, good evening, and welcome 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:48.980 to another informative episode of the Bull Brotherhood 00:01:48.980 --> 00:01:52.019 Podcast. I'm the man with the plan, the Sigma 00:01:52.019 --> 00:01:54.780 male himself, Brian Morgan, along with the other. 00:01:55.310 --> 00:01:57.909 Members of my podcast team, the lovely Siren. 00:01:58.010 --> 00:02:03.310 Say hello. Hello. How you doing tonight, sweetie? 00:02:03.629 --> 00:02:07.709 I'm doing great. Wonderful, wonderful. And of 00:02:07.709 --> 00:02:10.110 course, my brother from another mother. I call 00:02:10.110 --> 00:02:13.789 him nephew. The man himself, Socrates. What's 00:02:13.789 --> 00:02:16.110 good, baby? Uncle, what's good? What's going 00:02:16.110 --> 00:02:20.370 on, y 'all? Excited about this episode. I can't 00:02:20.370 --> 00:02:22.409 call it, I can't call it. I am too, and I know 00:02:22.409 --> 00:02:24.479 you are especially because... Ladies and gentlemen, 00:02:24.500 --> 00:02:26.599 tonight we're going to be talking about a topic 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:31.000 dealing with, of course, Socrates' favorite topic, 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:35.879 which is ethical non -monogamy. The categories, 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:39.819 well, let me tell you, the square, the circle, 00:02:39.939 --> 00:02:42.360 and the triangle. If I say that, what are you 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:44.900 guys probably thinking about first and foremost? 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:52.699 Geometry. Geometry. Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. 00:02:53.210 --> 00:02:57.189 Well, this is like something, ladies and gentlemen, 00:02:57.270 --> 00:03:01.129 to think about. It's like, what is your dynamic? 00:03:01.530 --> 00:03:05.229 Where do you fall into this world that we live 00:03:05.229 --> 00:03:08.770 and love so much? The square. Think about a square, 00:03:08.930 --> 00:03:11.169 four sides. So when you think about four sides, 00:03:11.310 --> 00:03:13.849 you think about what? Four people or two couples. 00:03:14.110 --> 00:03:17.129 So that falls more into what? Say the swingers 00:03:17.129 --> 00:03:22.189 category, maybe? Yes or no. Exactly. You think 00:03:22.189 --> 00:03:24.689 about your circle. A circle is what? It's open 00:03:24.689 --> 00:03:26.750 -ended, correct? I guess I'm saying that right? 00:03:26.849 --> 00:03:32.169 Open. So if you are a, let's say, a stag -vixen 00:03:32.169 --> 00:03:35.830 couple or, yeah, let's say stag -vixen couple. 00:03:36.310 --> 00:03:40.909 You're pretty much open. Or probably. You're 00:03:40.909 --> 00:03:43.490 pretty much open to all the possibilities. Okay? 00:03:43.550 --> 00:03:46.569 And if you're a bull who is trying to, you know, 00:03:46.569 --> 00:03:50.270 get inside of that circle, you need to be pretty 00:03:50.270 --> 00:03:53.030 versatile. And of course, last but not least, 00:03:53.090 --> 00:03:57.229 the one that I gravitate to the most is the triangle. 00:03:58.009 --> 00:04:01.250 That's those three sides. So you have what? You 00:04:01.250 --> 00:04:04.930 have your bull, you have your hot wife, and you 00:04:04.930 --> 00:04:09.590 have your cuckold or stag. Okay, so that's what 00:04:09.590 --> 00:04:11.810 we're concentrating on tonight. And I like what 00:04:11.810 --> 00:04:16.769 Siren said, ethical non -monogamy geometry. I 00:04:16.769 --> 00:04:19.519 love it. So let's get started. I will pass the 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:22.500 torch on to Socrates if he wants to break down 00:04:22.500 --> 00:04:25.120 each one of these topics a little bit more. Go 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:28.519 ahead, Al. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Nephew. Yes, sir. 00:04:29.019 --> 00:04:33.600 Nice. I'm really excited about this, and we're 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:36.420 not sure which order these episodes come in, 00:04:36.459 --> 00:04:38.899 but I did have a debate with my mentors and my 00:04:38.899 --> 00:04:43.220 brothers and my roundtable brothers on the episode, 00:04:43.300 --> 00:04:45.600 the first episode of The Commission, which is 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:50.430 coming soon. But we were talking about the triangle 00:04:50.430 --> 00:04:54.490 dynamic and how our perspective on the plight 00:04:54.490 --> 00:05:00.230 and the concerns and issues and challenges that, 00:05:00.230 --> 00:05:03.449 you know, the cuckold relationship has or when 00:05:03.449 --> 00:05:07.470 there's a bull involved between one couple, whether 00:05:07.470 --> 00:05:11.069 that couple be, the male be, well, the male's 00:05:11.069 --> 00:05:12.910 going to be a cuckold or a stag. He's going to 00:05:12.910 --> 00:05:16.160 enjoy watching his wife or... enjoy his wife 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:18.560 being pleased and he has a lot of compersion 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:21.399 and then you're going to have the hot wife or 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:24.379 the who you know obviously loves that dynamic 00:05:24.379 --> 00:05:28.459 and so basically what we're saying is this is 00:05:28.459 --> 00:05:32.519 not law or facts this is our paradigm you know 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:34.579 so the bull brotherhood is about talking about 00:05:34.579 --> 00:05:36.800 all things ethically non -monogamous but from 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:39.839 our perspective as bulls and then we have my 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.920 lovely wife siren who wants to put you know always 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:47.160 wants to go us or me we want her to give a femme 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:49.339 perspective so we're going to start with the 00:05:49.339 --> 00:05:52.040 square so the basic principles of the square 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:56.959 is equal sides right equal angles stability through 00:05:56.959 --> 00:06:01.540 balance and mirrored exchange right so what we're 00:06:01.540 --> 00:06:04.100 basically saying is you know when you're a swinker 00:06:04.100 --> 00:06:08.720 right there's an umbrella and we call that umbrella 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:12.230 the ethical non -monogamous umbrella That means 00:06:12.230 --> 00:06:16.269 that everybody who believes in consent, you know, 00:06:16.290 --> 00:06:20.970 ethics, everyone who believes in disclosure and 00:06:20.970 --> 00:06:23.170 keeping everybody informed and doing the right 00:06:23.170 --> 00:06:26.629 thing, you're in the ethical non -monogamy umbrella. 00:06:26.769 --> 00:06:29.209 And under that umbrella, there's a lot of dynamics 00:06:29.209 --> 00:06:33.209 like swingers, polyamorous people, right? The 00:06:33.209 --> 00:06:38.110 cuckold dynamic, bulls, open relationships, polyamorous. 00:06:38.730 --> 00:06:41.389 you know, relationship, anarchy, all those things. 00:06:41.750 --> 00:06:43.990 People who just, anybody who doesn't believe 00:06:43.990 --> 00:06:46.949 that monogamy is the only way to go. So when 00:06:46.949 --> 00:06:49.089 it comes to the square, it's a paradigm or way 00:06:49.089 --> 00:06:51.589 of thinking. And the dynamics that we believe 00:06:51.589 --> 00:06:53.949 are under that. And yes, y 'all, as a nerd, I 00:06:53.949 --> 00:06:57.250 had Chad DBT do a lot of research for me. So 00:06:57.250 --> 00:07:02.949 y 'all know how I do. So for us, it's about swingers, 00:07:02.949 --> 00:07:08.029 swaps, and parallel play. Right? So siren. What 00:07:08.029 --> 00:07:09.430 do you think of when you think of the square 00:07:09.430 --> 00:07:13.790 paradigm and, you know, the whole swinger swapping 00:07:13.790 --> 00:07:16.649 and parallel paradigm when it comes to ethical 00:07:16.649 --> 00:07:19.610 non -monogamy? I just think of couples that are, 00:07:19.610 --> 00:07:23.490 you know, wanting to do the lifestyle 100 % together. 00:07:24.069 --> 00:07:26.670 They want to find another couple that they can 00:07:26.670 --> 00:07:31.769 vibe with and play with. And it's a four -sided 00:07:31.769 --> 00:07:37.300 connection. That's what I think of. What about 00:07:37.300 --> 00:07:41.800 you, Unc? What's your perspective on it? Here 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:46.759 again, the couples got to be on the same page. 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:49.660 And, you know, the square is all about the couple, 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:53.920 first and foremost. As a bull, this is probably 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:58.899 the dynamic that I stay away from the most. Because 00:07:58.899 --> 00:08:03.199 this is, you know, we feel kind of limited. Unless 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:06.160 we're, like, invited into this. like say, for 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:09.279 instance, invited to a party, you know, and we 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:11.660 know that we're going to get there and then they're 00:08:11.660 --> 00:08:14.220 already waiting for, you know, for me to come 00:08:14.220 --> 00:08:16.540 in and say, meet somebody and, you know, have 00:08:16.540 --> 00:08:18.819 a good time. We feel kind of limited, feel kind 00:08:18.819 --> 00:08:22.620 of left out. So just like I said, this benefits 00:08:22.620 --> 00:08:27.439 more of those couples, you know, and what the 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:29.560 Swinger Dynamics is all about more than it does 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:33.679 the board. Yeah, I agree. And one of the things 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:35.379 we want our listeners to know is we're not trying 00:08:35.379 --> 00:08:38.039 to pigeonhole you or, you know, I know some people 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:39.720 don't like labels because they feel limited. 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:42.580 This is not that. These are guiding principles 00:08:42.580 --> 00:08:46.360 to kind of help you think and process these things 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:49.820 and simplify it. Look, you know, we're having 00:08:49.820 --> 00:08:52.580 a podcast because we believe that, you know, 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:54.879 we can crank out one or two a week explaining 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:58.919 the intricate details and the large, you know, 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:03.440 dynamic of this lifestyle. But, you know, thinking 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:06.840 of it in these squares kind of gives you a guideline, 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:10.320 right? So some of the things is like it's about 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:12.240 two couples engaging with each other, right? 00:09:12.340 --> 00:09:14.399 And when I think about it is I know swingers 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:16.779 who they're going to want a unicorn to come in, 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:19.299 right, and play with them. They might even, and 00:09:19.299 --> 00:09:21.139 a lot of times it's more about unicorns than 00:09:21.139 --> 00:09:26.019 single guys. But I do know this. As far as our 00:09:26.019 --> 00:09:28.500 dynamics, we'll talk, which we believe our dynamic 00:09:28.500 --> 00:09:32.080 fits under the circle paradigm. our dynamic she 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:34.799 can have a guy that i'm not really vibing with 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:39.340 like i don't even like or i might not think he's 00:09:39.340 --> 00:09:41.059 attractive you know when i'm a dude who cares 00:09:41.059 --> 00:09:43.940 what i think about that well i feel like swingers 00:09:43.940 --> 00:09:45.940 or when we went when i went through the swinger 00:09:45.940 --> 00:09:49.259 process it was more like okay we can bring a 00:09:49.259 --> 00:09:51.139 single guy in but we both have to like him we 00:09:51.139 --> 00:09:52.620 both have to interact with him because it's going 00:09:52.620 --> 00:09:56.799 to be about you two as a couple playing with 00:09:56.799 --> 00:09:59.259 that guy and that's not a square but it has to 00:09:59.259 --> 00:10:05.440 be squared in your mind, right? Let me say this, 00:10:05.700 --> 00:10:12.519 nephew. Usually if a couple invites you, let's 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:15.379 say you're their boyfriend, they invite you to 00:10:15.379 --> 00:10:20.080 a swingers event, trust and believe you've already 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:23.620 been vetted not only by your couple, but at least 00:10:23.620 --> 00:10:26.980 one or two more couples that are going to that 00:10:26.980 --> 00:10:28.720 event. You know what I mean? They've already 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:30.379 met you. Maybe they've already played with you 00:10:30.379 --> 00:10:33.019 before. So you know that, hey, you got at least 00:10:33.019 --> 00:10:35.240 two or three couples, you know, that you're going 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:38.799 to be good with at the event. If you're just 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:41.799 going there just to, you know, to follow your 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:45.799 girl and her husband, then like I said, you're 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:48.580 probably going to be a big spectator. You're 00:10:48.580 --> 00:10:50.159 going to be a big spectator. You'll watch them 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:53.159 or watch her. But, you know, you probably won't 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:58.940 have a great time. Yep. Yeah, I agree. I agree. 00:10:59.559 --> 00:11:03.419 And, you know, also it's a squared paradigm because 00:11:03.419 --> 00:11:07.620 it's reciprocal energy, right? Like when you're 00:11:07.620 --> 00:11:11.019 in that phase, and a lot of times people go through 00:11:11.019 --> 00:11:13.360 a phase of being swingers like we did because 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:15.779 it's really hard to find a four -way connection, 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:20.759 right? And then even though, let's say you're 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:21.940 like, okay, we're not going to look for couples. 00:11:22.019 --> 00:11:23.440 We're going to look for, you know, a unicorn. 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.539 since you're not Stag and Vixen, that unicorn's 00:11:28.539 --> 00:11:29.759 not going to run off with the husband, right? 00:11:29.820 --> 00:11:32.139 You guys aren't playing separately. Usually the 00:11:32.139 --> 00:11:35.759 swinger or square paradigm, they want to be completely 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:40.080 involved, like Siren said, really playing off 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:43.519 of each other, and really it's about each individual 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:49.279 making sure that their loved one is, you know, 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:52.899 involved and happy with it, right? So it's like... 00:11:55.340 --> 00:11:57.559 When you want to make sure it's reciprocal, you 00:11:57.559 --> 00:12:00.000 have to concern yourself about the likes and 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:03.360 dislikes and concerns and vibe for your wife 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:07.039 as well as your husband or vice versa. And again, 00:12:07.100 --> 00:12:10.940 there's nothing wrong with that, right? One of 00:12:10.940 --> 00:12:13.220 the things that it is, it's often shallow but 00:12:13.220 --> 00:12:17.039 safe. And that's not a negative thing. It means 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:19.700 like it's not poly in the sense that you don't 00:12:19.700 --> 00:12:22.610 go emotionally deep. It's not like Stagvixen 00:12:22.610 --> 00:12:25.149 arc. Our dynamic is very complicated and there's 00:12:25.149 --> 00:12:28.350 so many ways we can go with it. And, um, one 00:12:28.350 --> 00:12:31.029 of my lifestyle mentors was like, you really 00:12:31.029 --> 00:12:32.929 have four different dynamics. If you really drill 00:12:32.929 --> 00:12:35.389 down to it and we won't get into that now, but 00:12:35.389 --> 00:12:42.269 I agree. It also emphasizes. But you got, you 00:12:42.269 --> 00:12:45.610 guys haven't, haven't really identified as swingers 00:12:45.610 --> 00:12:48.710 for a long time. Well, we've never been, you 00:12:48.710 --> 00:12:51.509 know, We've only had the four -way connection 00:12:51.509 --> 00:12:55.090 work like once. Well, one and a half, because 00:12:55.090 --> 00:12:59.110 I messed up the first one. Oh, we've never had 00:12:59.110 --> 00:13:02.889 any repeat business with another couple. And 00:13:02.889 --> 00:13:07.009 maybe at parties, but maybe one or two times 00:13:07.009 --> 00:13:12.710 at Sapphire Club. There was one successful one, 00:13:12.809 --> 00:13:14.269 and I don't know if we talked about this in an 00:13:14.269 --> 00:13:17.320 episode. But I messed it up because of my jealousy. 00:13:17.539 --> 00:13:19.200 That's when I found out I was madly in love with 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:21.340 this woman. Then we played with that couple, 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:24.059 the other couple from the Pacific Northwest that 00:13:24.059 --> 00:13:26.240 we met at Sapphire. We played with them a couple 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:29.840 times, but then they had their own challenges 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:31.960 to work out. Nothing to do with that. Oh, yeah, 00:13:32.019 --> 00:13:36.240 that's right. And that was working, you know, 00:13:36.259 --> 00:13:40.379 okay. It wasn't 100 for me, but that's... I usually 00:13:40.379 --> 00:13:46.700 end up on the short end of the dick. With the 00:13:46.700 --> 00:13:52.460 full swap. That's why we kind of moved away from 00:13:52.460 --> 00:13:56.039 it because, you know, it's just challenging for 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:59.080 me to get, you know, what I want and need out 00:13:59.080 --> 00:14:01.200 of that too. Because, you know, we want it to 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:09.980 be good forever. My family, they still, you know, 00:14:09.980 --> 00:14:14.440 go to what I call vanilla lifestyle events, regular 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:18.340 swinger events. And it's, she goes to support 00:14:18.340 --> 00:14:22.419 him. You know, he, he, he go, he go, he may play, 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:26.039 he may not play, but usually he will play. But 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:29.120 she's to the point now though, that she is strictly 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:34.100 hot wife, BBC material. I mean, she, you know, 00:14:34.100 --> 00:14:38.440 she may go there as a dominant, um, um, bisexual, 00:14:38.539 --> 00:14:41.460 you know, and, and play with the ladies like 00:14:41.460 --> 00:14:44.700 she just did recently, um, playing with several, 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:47.730 but, That was pretty much all that she did. You 00:14:47.730 --> 00:14:50.809 know, she didn't do anything else. And, you know, 00:14:50.830 --> 00:14:52.950 he played and then they came back home. So I 00:14:52.950 --> 00:14:56.210 just find it very, I tell them all the time, 00:14:56.230 --> 00:14:58.850 I was like, it would be hard for me to go with 00:14:58.850 --> 00:15:01.629 them to an event. I could go, but I know that 00:15:01.629 --> 00:15:04.929 I would be just there and just in as a big cheerleader 00:15:04.929 --> 00:15:09.149 for them. I really probably would not connect 00:15:09.149 --> 00:15:11.629 with a whole lot of people. So it sounds like 00:15:11.629 --> 00:15:15.799 it's a whole lot of... uh how do i say it rolling 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:18.120 the dice you know what i mean when you go to 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:21.259 those events because like i said you two are 00:15:21.259 --> 00:15:25.679 very very good looking all right and i know attractiveness 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:28.320 is the first you know the first and foremost 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:32.659 thing and sometimes you don't find that or you 00:15:32.659 --> 00:15:34.679 may talk to somebody i guess and you know the 00:15:34.679 --> 00:15:38.460 the connection isn't there with one so you know 00:15:38.460 --> 00:15:43.960 and just uh the square is uh is square for me 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:48.080 yeah well then it's it's hard for queen of spades 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:53.000 to in to find yeah the full swap dynamic there's 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:57.580 not as many interracial couples uh i know and 00:15:57.580 --> 00:15:59.059 so i've been in them see it's the challenging 00:15:59.059 --> 00:16:02.679 part uh yeah i think this is i think she said 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:06.159 it was two two black guys at this uh event the 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:08.919 other week just two and i think one and that's 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:11.320 just and that's not even enough for her right 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:16.440 knowing her knowing knowing your baby girl a 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:18.919 little bit yeah yeah and then yeah and then you 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:21.460 know she she knows she now knows you know the 00:16:21.460 --> 00:16:23.679 definition she knows the definition of like quality 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:27.679 so she was like baby no it wasn't even you know 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:30.899 it wasn't worth my time so because i asked her 00:16:30.899 --> 00:16:32.340 i was like you've been telling me you did something 00:16:32.340 --> 00:16:35.360 she's like nope i did not she's like not quality 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:40.019 So she has come a long way, let's say that much. 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:44.279 But, yeah, I don't know if I could necessarily 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:47.559 go with them to a whole bunch of those events. 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:51.120 I just can't see it. But the next one, though, 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:55.980 the next one, the circle, if we're finished with 00:16:55.980 --> 00:17:01.059 the square, the circle, that's very intriguing 00:17:01.059 --> 00:17:04.599 to me. It's very intriguing because we can blend 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:08.880 in as bulls. Or we can fuck it up as bulls. So 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:11.079 I'll let y 'all start that off. Yeah, yep, yep. 00:17:11.339 --> 00:17:14.920 So the circle principle is open flow, right? 00:17:15.059 --> 00:17:17.640 So the principles of this shape and why we decided 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:19.599 on that is because there's no beginning and no 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:21.759 end and no center. That's the biggest thing. 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:24.859 There's no center, right? The power of the circle 00:17:24.859 --> 00:17:28.099 is in continuity, freedom, and fluidity. And 00:17:28.099 --> 00:17:30.440 I love that, right? So in a circle, there's no 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:33.839 actual real point, right? So the point is open 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:37.079 and flowing. And these dynamics, in our opinion, 00:17:37.140 --> 00:17:40.259 covers polyamory, over relationships, relationship 00:17:40.259 --> 00:17:44.460 anarchy, fluid bonded groups, which I actually 00:17:44.460 --> 00:17:46.319 don't even know what that really means. I'll 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:47.779 probably look that up. I know what it means. 00:17:47.940 --> 00:17:50.759 Oh, what is it? Fluid bonded groups. That's like 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:54.019 that polyamorous polytool that we met. There's 00:17:54.019 --> 00:17:57.039 like two couples. They're married. Or they're 00:17:57.039 --> 00:17:59.460 closed. They're married. No, they're not closed. 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:02.380 They're just, they're fluid bonded as far as 00:18:02.380 --> 00:18:04.839 like the four of them play without protection. 00:18:05.500 --> 00:18:07.339 You know, so you could have as many people as 00:18:07.339 --> 00:18:09.940 you wanted in a fluid bonded group. And then 00:18:09.940 --> 00:18:12.119 everybody else, they play with, with protection. 00:18:12.619 --> 00:18:14.859 So, but they've agreed that the four of them 00:18:14.859 --> 00:18:17.900 are fluid. Yeah. And, and also stag and vixen 00:18:17.900 --> 00:18:20.720 dynamics like cars, right? So partners may play 00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:23.660 separately together or in a constellation style 00:18:23.660 --> 00:18:28.930 relationship. So I like that. So, um, I really 00:18:28.930 --> 00:18:31.710 like this one because the circle just represents 00:18:31.710 --> 00:18:35.069 the openness of it. It represents the fact that 00:18:35.069 --> 00:18:36.869 because there is no, I mean, technically in a 00:18:36.869 --> 00:18:40.109 circle, there's a, there's a non visible point 00:18:40.109 --> 00:18:42.849 in the center, right? But there is no point. 00:18:42.990 --> 00:18:47.490 And so that just means it's fluid to allow the 00:18:47.490 --> 00:18:50.650 dynamics to figure things out for themselves. 00:18:50.750 --> 00:18:53.769 And I think that's the most important part. That's 00:18:53.769 --> 00:18:57.009 what is for us. We just, We just happen to really 00:18:57.009 --> 00:19:01.369 love me as being a bull, a married bull, and 00:19:01.369 --> 00:19:06.569 Siren also dipping her foot into the cuck -sitting 00:19:06.569 --> 00:19:09.069 end of it, and she's really loving that, and 00:19:09.069 --> 00:19:11.970 we're loving that dynamic. But, you know, we 00:19:11.970 --> 00:19:15.750 flowed. We can work in a swap situation, right? 00:19:16.609 --> 00:19:20.890 We can work in a, okay, just a unicorn that... 00:19:21.339 --> 00:19:24.019 I might go out and play with them by myself, 00:19:24.019 --> 00:19:28.440 or Unicorn will bring to us as a couple. We can 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:33.240 flow in and out of just severe couples. I like 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:35.779 to flow into the threesome with you and another 00:19:35.779 --> 00:19:38.779 guy, but it doesn't... Do you want to talk about 00:19:38.779 --> 00:19:41.819 that? Yeah, I'll talk about it. It doesn't often 00:19:41.819 --> 00:19:46.619 work out very well, because unless the guy just 00:19:46.619 --> 00:19:50.500 really knows my Socrates, you know, well, if 00:19:50.500 --> 00:19:53.539 he feels comfortable with him. Anytime we've 00:19:53.539 --> 00:19:56.460 tried that in a new situation, the guy usually 00:19:56.460 --> 00:19:59.920 isn't able to work his magic with Socrates in 00:19:59.920 --> 00:20:03.000 the room. So Socrates usually, if we're, you 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:05.319 know, we're at our house, then he usually goes 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:07.680 out to live here and watch some Star Wars, have 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:11.559 some snacks, a nice little nap while me and the 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:15.099 guy, the single guy play. So I would, you know, 00:20:15.099 --> 00:20:17.240 and it's worked out a handful of times now to 00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:20.299 have all three of us together, but. It's not 00:20:20.299 --> 00:20:22.539 disappointing by any means. It's just something 00:20:22.539 --> 00:20:25.680 that I'm like, that would be cool to do more 00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:30.500 often. Let me ask, why doesn't it work with the 00:20:30.500 --> 00:20:34.859 guy? Does he look at Socrates and he's intimidated 00:20:34.859 --> 00:20:39.960 by him? And it's not necessarily dick size because 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:42.920 there's been guys that have a bigger dick than 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:46.599 Socrates. And still, it's just like, it's just 00:20:46.599 --> 00:20:49.930 the power. And Socrates does not. He doesn't, 00:20:49.930 --> 00:20:52.809 yeah, he doesn't overwhelm the situation. You 00:20:52.809 --> 00:20:57.289 know, as we know, we, yeah. I keep telling you, 00:20:57.289 --> 00:20:59.390 it's the aura. You hear me talk about it all 00:20:59.390 --> 00:21:03.390 the time. It's Socrates' charisma, okay? Socrates 00:21:03.390 --> 00:21:09.750 is totally and absolutely confident in his relationship 00:21:09.750 --> 00:21:14.789 with you all, okay? He knows that he is the king. 00:21:14.990 --> 00:21:18.190 He knows that you are his queen. Nothing is going 00:21:18.190 --> 00:21:20.930 to get between you guys. Nothing. I don't care 00:21:20.930 --> 00:21:23.849 what you do sexually or whatever. Nothing is 00:21:23.849 --> 00:21:26.230 never going to become emotional. It's never going 00:21:26.230 --> 00:21:29.150 to become anything other than just that role 00:21:29.150 --> 00:21:32.230 playing at that time or that scene, as I call 00:21:32.230 --> 00:21:34.470 it, or encounter. That's a better word, that 00:21:34.470 --> 00:21:37.609 encounter at that time. So, you know, when he 00:21:37.609 --> 00:21:39.569 walks in and then, I mean, hell, he's totally 00:21:39.569 --> 00:21:42.490 comfortable because it's his lady. So, you know 00:21:42.490 --> 00:21:45.710 what I mean? I can be my total self. It's my 00:21:45.710 --> 00:21:49.900 wife. You know, so, yeah, the guy comes in. He's 00:21:49.900 --> 00:21:54.660 I can see I can see him getting nervous. I can 00:21:54.660 --> 00:21:56.539 see the gentleman getting nervous. And we really 00:21:56.539 --> 00:22:00.279 do our best to set it up. Yeah. So it's not like 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:03.779 I understand. Senator Doerr. Yeah. What? Yeah. 00:22:04.370 --> 00:22:06.589 I think the second or third time around, it's 00:22:06.589 --> 00:22:08.349 easier. But the first time, too, it's like we 00:22:08.349 --> 00:22:10.150 usually make dinner for people when they come 00:22:10.150 --> 00:22:12.589 over. We go in the hot tub for a while, wing 00:22:12.589 --> 00:22:15.990 out, have a drink. You know, we do all of that 00:22:15.990 --> 00:22:18.049 before we get to play. I mean, I don't think 00:22:18.049 --> 00:22:20.549 there's been a guy that's walked in the door. 00:22:20.589 --> 00:22:25.130 We're like, hey, drop your pants. Let's go. That 00:22:25.130 --> 00:22:29.809 goes right into what I was going to say here. 00:22:29.990 --> 00:22:32.430 If that bull knocks on your door thinking that 00:22:32.430 --> 00:22:34.930 he's going to come in and just. just balls to 00:22:34.930 --> 00:22:37.509 the walls we're going at you know sex then he 00:22:37.509 --> 00:22:41.329 is fucked from the jump all right there has to 00:22:41.329 --> 00:22:44.769 be some verbal i call it verbal judo there has 00:22:44.769 --> 00:22:47.609 to be some great communication okay some great 00:22:47.609 --> 00:22:52.309 communication um that bull has to adapt okay 00:22:52.309 --> 00:22:54.410 he has to be able to look and see how like happy 00:22:54.410 --> 00:22:57.029 you guys are how you guys interact with with 00:22:57.029 --> 00:22:59.230 each other how let's say you're touchy -feely 00:22:59.230 --> 00:23:01.890 or you talk to each other and then he just blends 00:23:01.890 --> 00:23:05.240 in He blends in. That makes him comfortable. 00:23:05.420 --> 00:23:08.500 That makes you comfortable, Siren. And it damn 00:23:08.500 --> 00:23:10.579 sure makes Socrates comfortable when they can 00:23:10.579 --> 00:23:14.519 jaw jack back and forth. You know? And then you 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:18.759 take it a little extra. Okay? Then don't do it 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:21.099 again. Don't put your dick out. Just start with 00:23:21.099 --> 00:23:24.779 some petting. I call it light petting. Touching, 00:23:24.779 --> 00:23:28.599 feeling, tight, rubbing. Wrap your arms around. 00:23:28.740 --> 00:23:33.420 Then go to kissing. And then let it build and 00:23:33.420 --> 00:23:36.400 build and build. Then you have a great encounter. 00:23:38.259 --> 00:23:41.299 I broke that down. You sure did. That's kind 00:23:41.299 --> 00:23:45.339 of what the hot tub part is all about. It's getting 00:23:45.339 --> 00:23:47.339 comfortable and then you're feeling under the 00:23:47.339 --> 00:23:50.400 water. Nobody's watching what you're doing and 00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:52.819 you're sneaking. You know what's so funny about 00:23:52.819 --> 00:23:56.799 the word petting is that I grew up super conservatively 00:23:56.799 --> 00:23:59.519 and that was something that we're like. You know, 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:01.720 because abstinence was preached and it was like, 00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:06.240 beware of petting. So it's funny to hear it in 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:08.619 a positive way now. Like, oh, let's just start 00:24:08.619 --> 00:24:13.019 with some petting. I mean, sorry. Now times change. 00:24:13.380 --> 00:24:17.140 I really do think there's a myriad of reasons. 00:24:17.259 --> 00:24:21.660 One, a lot of these guys are used to white couples, 00:24:21.779 --> 00:24:25.160 white men. Two, I don't know what this is and 00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:27.180 we're going to have an episode about this. There's 00:24:27.180 --> 00:24:31.759 not a lot of... I don't personally know a lot 00:24:31.759 --> 00:24:35.839 of black stags, right? I can count on one hand 00:24:35.839 --> 00:24:39.519 the black stags that I know. So a lot of guys, 00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:43.559 and then a lot of guys are used to their husbands 00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:46.279 either not being able to, not wanting to, or 00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:49.740 wanting something different, or just wanting 00:24:49.740 --> 00:24:52.660 that variety for their wives. They're not used 00:24:52.660 --> 00:24:55.599 to another six foot tall, totally confident, 00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:59.549 experienced. Exactly. with you know above average 00:24:59.549 --> 00:25:02.430 dick who's like i got it handled but i just have 00:25:02.430 --> 00:25:05.049 an insatiable wife so have you know i mean and 00:25:05.049 --> 00:25:07.390 so my energy in the room like you're saying my 00:25:07.390 --> 00:25:10.869 aura is not like oh i'm gonna sit in the corner 00:25:10.869 --> 00:25:12.990 like a cuck and i want you to please my wife 00:25:12.990 --> 00:25:16.490 or i'm gonna join in but you're bringing the 00:25:16.490 --> 00:25:19.650 virality or you're bringing the energy or you're 00:25:19.650 --> 00:25:23.920 bringing the variety no i'm like bruh my wife 00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:25.700 can handle three four at a time you know what 00:25:25.700 --> 00:25:28.859 i mean so so help him help him out you know yeah 00:25:28.859 --> 00:25:31.799 but let me say this though even even if you did 00:25:31.799 --> 00:25:36.359 sit and just watch here again your aura the way 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:39.079 you are the confidence you know what i mean that 00:25:39.079 --> 00:25:41.579 the average the average boy would look at you 00:25:41.579 --> 00:25:45.420 and be like okay um i don't see i don't see no 00:25:45.420 --> 00:25:49.740 like reaction from you all right like with me 00:25:49.740 --> 00:25:51.950 looking at looking at lindsey You know what I 00:25:51.950 --> 00:25:55.190 mean? I'm there. I'm very, very supportive, very, 00:25:55.269 --> 00:25:58.390 very vocal. You know, some guys might sit there 00:25:58.390 --> 00:26:00.529 and they don't say a freaking doggone word, and 00:26:00.529 --> 00:26:03.890 that can intimidate the bull. They can throw 00:26:03.890 --> 00:26:07.609 him off his game. But like I said, the aura is 00:26:07.609 --> 00:26:11.589 everything. The aura is everything. You know, 00:26:11.589 --> 00:26:14.170 here again, that's why I say the circle for the 00:26:14.170 --> 00:26:17.730 bull, he needs to come in first and foremost. 00:26:18.109 --> 00:26:22.380 He needs to be very, very... intelligent, to 00:26:22.380 --> 00:26:26.700 play in the circle, you need to be kind of an 00:26:26.700 --> 00:26:29.319 experienced guy. Like you've been in it for a 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:30.960 little while. I'm not saying you're a master 00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:34.460 of anything, but you need to have dotted some 00:26:34.460 --> 00:26:37.880 I's and crossed some T's in the lifestyle, okay, 00:26:37.940 --> 00:26:42.880 before you, you know, get into that dynamic. 00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:46.960 So, yeah, no. That was all I had for as far as 00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:49.579 that's concerned. Before we move on to the next 00:26:49.579 --> 00:26:51.599 one, let's talk about some key traits for this 00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:55.200 for the circle. So basically, I love these things, 00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:59.740 autonomy and personal agency. Right. So in the 00:26:59.740 --> 00:27:02.740 circle, it's way more compared to the square. 00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:05.720 It's way more about individual autonomy and agency. 00:27:05.740 --> 00:27:09.920 In other words, my voice matters individually. 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:13.349 What I want to do. individually needs to be taken 00:27:13.349 --> 00:27:16.009 into consideration whereas the square it's more 00:27:16.009 --> 00:27:18.950 of like we're making sure everybody is on an 00:27:18.950 --> 00:27:21.529 equal plane and getting their nades in an equal 00:27:21.529 --> 00:27:23.609 way and it doesn't have to be equal that night 00:27:23.609 --> 00:27:27.549 right like sometimes you can be in a square dynamic 00:27:27.549 --> 00:27:30.250 say you know what let me make a little bit more 00:27:30.250 --> 00:27:33.430 about my wife tonight right or make it more about 00:27:33.430 --> 00:27:36.849 my husband or we're really gonna wow this unicorn 00:27:36.849 --> 00:27:40.700 right but at the same time What you're really 00:27:40.700 --> 00:27:44.599 coming from is the paradigm of everybody has 00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:46.680 equal agency and equal autonomy. Whereas the 00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:50.279 circle, it's individual. Emotional depth and 00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:54.619 romantic potential. So in the circle, it's a 00:27:54.619 --> 00:27:58.119 lot more open, whereas like open but not a rule. 00:27:58.299 --> 00:28:02.740 So like for me and Siren, we are not poly. And 00:28:02.740 --> 00:28:07.869 so that door is not open, right? But... It's 00:28:07.869 --> 00:28:10.730 way more open than it would be in a square dynamic 00:28:10.730 --> 00:28:13.450 in the words like if it comes about and we're 00:28:13.450 --> 00:28:16.029 ready in that stage of our life and we've Discussed 00:28:16.029 --> 00:28:17.789 it a million times. We've got our rules down 00:28:17.789 --> 00:28:20.970 and we know what the parameters are. That's something 00:28:20.970 --> 00:28:25.029 we can't explore, but we're not And then the 00:28:25.029 --> 00:28:27.329 last one versatility and roles that's my favorite 00:28:27.329 --> 00:28:31.650 part, right? So for example bulls stags Secondaries 00:28:31.650 --> 00:28:34.630 lovers friends with benefits in the circle paradigm. 00:28:34.890 --> 00:28:40.099 It's versatile Right? It's not 100 % set what 00:28:40.099 --> 00:28:42.079 the bull's doing or what the stag's doing or 00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:44.960 what the hot wife is coming from or it can be 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:47.119 things like open, you know, friends with benefits. 00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:50.220 Right? There are poly relationships where they'll 00:28:50.220 --> 00:28:53.400 bring me in as a bull, not because they're a 00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:56.160 cuckold relationship, but they just want, they 00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:59.119 have their boyfriend, but they just want a guy 00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:00.799 that they can bring in as a friends with benefits. 00:29:00.980 --> 00:29:04.150 You know, I beat it up. I respect them. And I, 00:29:04.230 --> 00:29:06.710 you know, I have, I'm an experienced guy. So 00:29:06.710 --> 00:29:09.630 a lot of times I'm talking kind of thuggish or 00:29:09.630 --> 00:29:12.970 rough, but I'm an experienced guy, right? So 00:29:12.970 --> 00:29:14.650 I'll come in and give them that experience. But 00:29:14.650 --> 00:29:17.430 in a positive relationship, they understand with 00:29:17.430 --> 00:29:19.910 this dynamic, we're not getting into an emotional 00:29:19.910 --> 00:29:22.609 state. We're not going to have an emotional relationship, 00:29:22.910 --> 00:29:26.289 right? But I'm going to come in as a friend, 00:29:26.309 --> 00:29:29.670 as a friend with benefits, as a bull. We're going 00:29:29.670 --> 00:29:31.670 to have a scene. We're going to have fun. And 00:29:31.670 --> 00:29:34.769 then I'm going to bounce, right? but it could 00:29:34.769 --> 00:29:37.970 develop though but it could say that it could 00:29:37.970 --> 00:29:39.970 develop it could develop all right that just 00:29:39.970 --> 00:29:42.930 depends on that bull that you pick you know what 00:29:42.930 --> 00:29:46.849 i mean if he knows how to keep it um a certain 00:29:46.849 --> 00:29:50.089 way and the friends that benefits way okay great 00:29:50.089 --> 00:29:53.430 but if there's that real real connection that 00:29:53.430 --> 00:29:57.329 real real deep connection between bull and you 00:29:57.329 --> 00:30:00.829 know wife uh it could it could turn it could 00:30:00.829 --> 00:30:03.319 turn into something else All right. And I know 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:06.000 what I'm talking about. Oh, I know you do. That's 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:08.859 why we got you here on 30 years, over 30 years 00:30:08.859 --> 00:30:14.299 of experience. So the biggest thing to me is 00:30:14.299 --> 00:30:17.539 being versatile and emotional intelligence. So 00:30:17.539 --> 00:30:22.619 when a bull enters in a circle dynamic, his opportunity 00:30:22.619 --> 00:30:26.400 is to show his leadership and his emotional intelligence. 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:29.480 It's not about dominance. It's about adapting. 00:30:30.250 --> 00:30:33.789 That's Ankh's favorite word. Supporting and sometimes 00:30:33.789 --> 00:30:37.470 staying. In other words, your staying ability 00:30:37.470 --> 00:30:41.230 or your ability to be stable and a rock, when 00:30:41.230 --> 00:30:44.549 you're entering in that circle dynamic, the crazy 00:30:44.549 --> 00:30:47.150 thing is a lot of times there's chaos because 00:30:47.150 --> 00:30:50.569 it's so fluid, because the roles are so versatile. 00:30:50.849 --> 00:30:53.450 And a bull, when a bull comes into those dynamics, 00:30:53.750 --> 00:30:56.809 he brings great leadership, not dominance, right? 00:30:56.910 --> 00:31:02.900 So he's going to help. lead that dynamic or whoever's 00:31:02.900 --> 00:31:05.180 in that dynamic in a way where they're having 00:31:05.180 --> 00:31:08.640 a great time, right? And he is a master of communication 00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:13.680 in this situation or needs to be so that he's 00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:17.559 making sure that these versatile roles are still 00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:19.900 communicating when things change. Does that make 00:31:19.900 --> 00:31:22.019 sense, y 'all? Like, Siren, what do you think? 00:31:22.900 --> 00:31:26.619 Your perspective on the bull, which is right, 00:31:26.700 --> 00:31:28.660 we're a bull brother. This is a perspective from 00:31:28.660 --> 00:31:31.609 a bull. So if a bull is entering a circle dynamic 00:31:31.609 --> 00:31:35.250 where there's a lot of changing dynamics, there's 00:31:35.250 --> 00:31:37.849 a lot of fluid roles being involved, it's like 00:31:37.849 --> 00:31:41.829 it's not, you know, it's not centered on one 00:31:41.829 --> 00:31:46.890 or the other. And it's also not like as fixed 00:31:46.890 --> 00:31:49.970 as like the triangle is. Right. Like, so what's 00:31:49.970 --> 00:31:53.329 your perspective on a good bull entering into 00:31:53.329 --> 00:31:55.950 the circle dynamic? Well, just someone to that, 00:31:56.049 --> 00:31:58.940 you know. In any dynamic in the lifestyle, it's 00:31:58.940 --> 00:32:01.980 really important to have great communication. 00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:05.180 So whoever he's involved with, he needs to make 00:32:05.180 --> 00:32:07.380 sure that he's really on top of the communication. 00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.420 And he can be a leader in that area too, you 00:32:10.420 --> 00:32:13.440 know, as just reaching out, making sure that 00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.160 everyone's on the same page of, you know, what 00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:21.109 everyone's role is in that circle. For us, for 00:32:21.109 --> 00:32:23.470 me, I have certain requirements. I probably have 00:32:23.470 --> 00:32:26.369 more requirements for the bull playing with me 00:32:26.369 --> 00:32:30.309 solo than my husband has for them. I require 00:32:30.309 --> 00:32:35.650 that they give him a call. And even though my 00:32:35.650 --> 00:32:37.130 husband's like, you don't have to run this by 00:32:37.130 --> 00:32:40.609 me, blah, blah, blah, I want to establish some 00:32:40.609 --> 00:32:43.170 authority in that. So they need to be respectful 00:32:43.170 --> 00:32:46.730 of whatever dynamic that that woman is in and 00:32:46.730 --> 00:32:50.200 kind of check, hey, is there... Is there, you 00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.720 know, a man that I need to check in with or a 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:54.359 woman, you know, whatever dynamic they're in. 00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:58.140 And then I think, you know, just being flexible. 00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:01.420 There's going to be, you know, there may be some 00:33:01.420 --> 00:33:04.279 emotional ups and downs with couples. You know, 00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:08.900 a bull will have to, you know, just be receptive 00:33:08.900 --> 00:33:11.220 to whatever's going on with them and be able 00:33:11.220 --> 00:33:14.400 to have some flexibility there. And, you know, 00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:17.930 just the more kind of. laid back they are in 00:33:17.930 --> 00:33:21.970 that area, then they can be adapting. Then the 00:33:21.970 --> 00:33:24.269 more dominant they can be later. So if they're 00:33:24.269 --> 00:33:26.950 a little more laid back on the front end, but 00:33:26.950 --> 00:33:29.069 good with the communicating, you can be laid 00:33:29.069 --> 00:33:32.069 back, but then also be assertive, if that makes 00:33:32.069 --> 00:33:35.829 sense. It's a healthy balance right there. That 00:33:35.829 --> 00:33:39.650 you should select should have a whole arsenal 00:33:39.650 --> 00:33:45.410 of questions about what you like, what you desire. 00:33:46.140 --> 00:33:49.680 what the boundaries are, okay, et cetera, et 00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:53.180 cetera, et cetera. That's what that requires. 00:33:53.819 --> 00:33:56.500 That's what that communication mastery to me 00:33:56.500 --> 00:34:00.660 means. I will come in with a barrage of questions. 00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:03.920 You know what I mean? To make everybody, to let 00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:08.159 both of you guys know that, hey, I'm here for 00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:10.559 you. You know what I'm saying? This is about 00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:13.519 your experience. We are here to help. I want 00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:16.050 you guys to have the experience. the experience 00:34:16.050 --> 00:34:19.349 with me okay because this is probably i would 00:34:19.349 --> 00:34:23.190 say the circle is closest to the to the um the 00:34:23.190 --> 00:34:25.929 boyfriend experience as i call it you know without 00:34:25.929 --> 00:34:28.210 being a boyfriend but it's that's what he's there 00:34:28.210 --> 00:34:30.789 to do give you a boyfriend experience and then 00:34:30.789 --> 00:34:34.869 roll out but if he misses here again if he doesn't 00:34:34.869 --> 00:34:37.250 dot every i across every team when he's questioning 00:34:37.250 --> 00:34:40.969 you guys um then he you know he messes the thing 00:34:40.969 --> 00:34:43.670 up he has the potential to mess everything up 00:34:44.030 --> 00:34:46.949 But if you guys are on that same feed of music 00:34:46.949 --> 00:34:49.230 with the communication, I mean, talking, talking, 00:34:49.289 --> 00:34:53.250 talking, talking. And yes, Siren, I would say 00:34:53.250 --> 00:34:56.570 I would tell you, if you don't mind, please relay 00:34:56.570 --> 00:35:00.369 something to your husband. Or is it OK if I relay 00:35:00.369 --> 00:35:02.789 this to your husband? So we're all on the same 00:35:02.789 --> 00:35:06.170 page. Right. And I pretty much hand over, you 00:35:06.170 --> 00:35:08.969 know, his phone number quickly. You know, if 00:35:08.969 --> 00:35:11.960 I plan to meet up with someone and. And he's 00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:13.559 like, well, if they're coming to our house, he's 00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:15.500 like, you know, they don't have to call me, but 00:35:15.500 --> 00:35:18.519 I just require it. I just do the same steps every 00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:21.159 time. That way, it's something that's muscle 00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:23.860 memory for me. It establishes that authority 00:35:23.860 --> 00:35:27.400 of him being my leader and my king. And then, 00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:30.380 you know, then establishes that they need to 00:35:30.380 --> 00:35:33.739 respect him before they can get to the other 00:35:33.739 --> 00:35:39.889 prizes. This ain't about me coming in. as a bull 00:35:39.889 --> 00:35:43.090 and trying to dominate anything or show dominance. 00:35:43.289 --> 00:35:48.130 No. Be respectful until it's time to be disrespectful 00:35:48.130 --> 00:35:53.969 is what we like to say. And there's, you know, 00:35:53.989 --> 00:35:59.650 in the lifestyle too, women, you know, need a 00:35:59.650 --> 00:36:03.170 variety of the, you know, the communication and 00:36:03.170 --> 00:36:06.050 the time spent. And I'm a little bit on the lower 00:36:06.050 --> 00:36:10.179 end of You know, how much I need to get involved 00:36:10.179 --> 00:36:14.239 with someone. You mean at the bottom? Hey, I'm 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:19.800 trying to be like... Man, just throw me under 00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:23.699 the bus. You don't... Look, you don't require 00:36:23.699 --> 00:36:27.440 much at all. I mean, and that's not meaning low 00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:29.519 standards. She's looking... Y 'all, if y 'all 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:31.679 can see her face, I would have been dead. What 00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:33.599 I mean by that... We're gonna have to edit this 00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:35.579 part out because there's about to be a death. 00:36:36.139 --> 00:36:37.679 It's about to be some furniture moving around. 00:36:38.019 --> 00:36:40.960 I can't lift over 10. Oh, so you're lucky. You 00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:43.880 can pull that trigger finger. Yeah, I think my 00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:47.780 gun only lays. What I mean by that, ladies and 00:36:47.780 --> 00:36:52.980 gentlemen, is Siren can tell. She has an incredibly 00:36:52.980 --> 00:36:58.360 keen sense of her intuition about people. Now, 00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.320 I ask her to take more time with the ladies because 00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:04.619 she is my slut secretary. But with men, she could 00:37:04.619 --> 00:37:08.400 tell instantly. And so once she can tell and 00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.900 she feels comfortable with you, let's go. It 00:37:10.900 --> 00:37:12.300 doesn't mean you're not going to go through those 00:37:12.300 --> 00:37:14.840 processes of you got to talk to my husband. Let 00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:16.800 me find out if you're an idiot. All of those 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:20.099 things. Let's have some vibes. Right. But I'm 00:37:20.099 --> 00:37:23.320 just saying, like, the cool thing about her is 00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:26.539 she is not going to take a week, a couple of 00:37:26.539 --> 00:37:28.679 days to figure it out. She's going to know almost 00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:31.300 right away. And then if the doors open, let's 00:37:31.300 --> 00:37:34.460 go see if you can get over these hurdles. And 00:37:34.460 --> 00:37:37.199 if you do. Then you're good. But what I like 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:38.840 about her is, you know, you ain't got to take 00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:41.440 a week. They're not very big hurdles sometimes. 00:37:41.900 --> 00:37:44.659 And I would say at events, it's even, you know, 00:37:44.659 --> 00:37:48.639 less. It's like I've told guys, I said at the 00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:51.219 last event I was at, I said, you know, you understand 00:37:51.219 --> 00:37:53.840 that there's women out here that need more time 00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:55.739 and attention from you before they can get to 00:37:55.739 --> 00:37:58.320 the play part. I want you to give that to them. 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:04.329 But know that I'm here to be. you know, a treat, 00:38:04.510 --> 00:38:08.289 I guess. You know, I don't require as much, especially 00:38:08.289 --> 00:38:11.090 at events. So it's like if we're talking vibing 00:38:11.090 --> 00:38:14.289 maybe 10, 15 minutes, you know, I'm ready to 00:38:14.289 --> 00:38:16.829 go. You know, I know that quickly. Other women 00:38:16.829 --> 00:38:18.710 need longer and there's nothing wrong with that. 00:38:18.750 --> 00:38:21.449 But it's kind of it's kind of nice to have a 00:38:21.449 --> 00:38:23.230 little bit of everything. You know, there's the 00:38:23.230 --> 00:38:24.949 women that need a longer, deeper connection. 00:38:25.070 --> 00:38:27.630 And then there's some women like me that are 00:38:27.630 --> 00:38:31.309 just. quicker you know we're we're a smack so 00:38:31.309 --> 00:38:34.070 and we like that you know i i'm there was one 00:38:34.070 --> 00:38:37.550 guy at a pool in uh fort lauderdale and um he 00:38:37.550 --> 00:38:40.230 barely got in the pool and then we started making 00:38:40.230 --> 00:38:42.769 out like within a minute i was like let's go 00:38:42.769 --> 00:38:44.829 the daytime playroom and he was like i just got 00:38:44.829 --> 00:38:46.550 in the pool i said come on just give me 15 minutes 00:38:46.550 --> 00:38:49.210 you know and he's like oh okay he was relieved 00:38:49.210 --> 00:38:51.510 he's like oh we can go play for 15 minutes and 00:38:51.510 --> 00:38:53.409 we can come right back i'm like yeah let's do 00:38:53.409 --> 00:38:55.619 it So we went and did that. He knows he didn't 00:38:55.619 --> 00:38:58.500 have to give me two hours, you know? And so I 00:38:58.500 --> 00:39:00.260 just started explaining that to guys. I'm like, 00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:02.820 I like a longer experience, but hey, if we got 00:39:02.820 --> 00:39:04.579 15 minutes, I'm still going to have a good time. 00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:12.320 Nothing against that. I'm willing. Let's go to 00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:16.780 bed. Not easy, but a yelling. I know. Not easy. 00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:19.940 Yeah, I like that. Open. You're open. You're 00:39:19.940 --> 00:39:22.500 open to all the possibilities. Open all the possibilities. 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:26.420 But you see, and here again, that's the difference 00:39:26.420 --> 00:39:29.400 between those guys who are, I still call them 00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:35.900 anxious compared to, say, some of the more seasoned 00:39:35.900 --> 00:39:39.739 ones who like to break you down a little bit. 00:39:39.820 --> 00:39:42.980 You know what I mean? And not necessarily play 00:39:42.980 --> 00:39:46.619 with you, but just have you thinking. have you 00:39:46.619 --> 00:39:48.900 thinking like you know like what's going on in 00:39:48.900 --> 00:39:51.500 that guy's head why hasn't he you know taken 00:39:51.500 --> 00:39:55.760 me to the room already or this and that so that's 00:39:55.760 --> 00:40:00.380 just the difference between say myself uh the 00:40:00.380 --> 00:40:03.260 season one and you know some of the guys that 00:40:03.260 --> 00:40:05.659 go to splash yeah that's why i kind of look at 00:40:05.659 --> 00:40:08.719 the guys who go to splash as they're pretty much 00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:12.199 bbc bulls a lot of them are they're not the ones 00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:16.369 that are you know the more uh season ones but 00:40:16.369 --> 00:40:18.969 yeah that's another conversation keep it going 00:40:18.969 --> 00:40:20.949 y 'all yeah that's another episode so i just 00:40:20.949 --> 00:40:22.530 wanted to say this and then we'll move on to 00:40:22.530 --> 00:40:25.829 the triangle um our the reason for this podcast 00:40:25.829 --> 00:40:29.150 gentlemen ladies and gentlemen is mastery and 00:40:29.150 --> 00:40:31.449 you'll see it this is a lifestyle mastery podcast 00:40:31.449 --> 00:40:35.050 that means if you are a seasoned vet and you've 00:40:35.050 --> 00:40:37.429 been doing this for years we want to have something 00:40:37.429 --> 00:40:39.750 for you to even sharpen your skills but if you're 00:40:39.750 --> 00:40:43.559 new Look, this lifestyle is so amazing, and there's 00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:49.179 so many high -level experiences. You can, but 00:40:49.179 --> 00:40:52.079 like anything in life, it takes work to get there. 00:40:53.059 --> 00:40:55.519 And then we'll talk about K 'nai, our commitment, 00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:57.519 which is constant and never -ending improvement, 00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.719 never -ending improvement. And that's what we're 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:03.860 committed to. The squad that we have and the 00:41:03.860 --> 00:41:06.380 brothers that we hang around with, these are 00:41:06.380 --> 00:41:09.050 all seasoned brothers. You know, I'm eight years 00:41:09.050 --> 00:41:12.289 in, almost nine, and I'm the, you know, the junior 00:41:12.289 --> 00:41:16.530 of the bunch. And this is tools that we're giving 00:41:16.530 --> 00:41:19.269 you guys so that you can come into any one of 00:41:19.269 --> 00:41:22.110 these dynamics and just be powerful and have 00:41:22.110 --> 00:41:25.030 really great experiences because, man, this last 00:41:25.030 --> 00:41:28.590 event we went to, it was tears. It was tears 00:41:28.590 --> 00:41:31.489 because they were so happy and they got what 00:41:31.489 --> 00:41:33.489 they wanted and they had a license to be themselves 00:41:33.489 --> 00:41:37.650 and they had good quality bulls. that understood 00:41:37.650 --> 00:41:41.789 that man the relationships you formed the experiences 00:41:41.789 --> 00:41:44.849 you have knowing that it's unprecedented man 00:41:44.849 --> 00:41:48.670 and it's unparalleled and you know we we want 00:41:48.670 --> 00:41:50.329 you guys to have access to that that's why we're 00:41:50.329 --> 00:41:53.829 doing this shit man and that's absolutely beautiful 00:41:53.829 --> 00:41:56.550 because they're going to go back and tell one 00:41:56.550 --> 00:41:58.230 other couple and that couple's going to tell 00:41:58.230 --> 00:42:00.369 another couple and so on and so on and so on 00:42:00.369 --> 00:42:03.349 and the bulls are going to go back and make the 00:42:03.349 --> 00:42:06.030 brotherhood even stronger by telling other brothers 00:42:06.380 --> 00:42:08.519 So that's what we're looking for. That's why 00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:10.980 we're doing this podcast. Because like I said, 00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:16.119 having been in this since I was 26, 27 years 00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:19.539 old, it is time for me now to pass the torch 00:42:19.539 --> 00:42:24.880 on to other younger brothers and keep this family, 00:42:25.019 --> 00:42:27.960 keep this lifestyle going and going and going 00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:30.340 and getting bigger and bigger and bigger. Because, 00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:32.559 ladies and gentlemen, whether or not you know 00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:36.170 it, Although still considered, you know, underground, 00:42:36.489 --> 00:42:42.210 the hot wife, old cuckold world is huge. It is 00:42:42.210 --> 00:42:45.030 freaking huge. It is all over the United States. 00:42:45.210 --> 00:42:50.690 It is all over the world. Um, movies. Now I've 00:42:50.690 --> 00:42:54.130 seen more than movies in the last year, uh, involving 00:42:54.130 --> 00:42:58.230 this lifestyle. Okay. And, and, and so that, 00:42:58.289 --> 00:43:00.090 I mean, that should tell you it's, it's bigger 00:43:00.090 --> 00:43:02.980 and bigger and bigger. And, uh, You know, we're 00:43:02.980 --> 00:43:07.480 just happy to be able to come in and share some 00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:09.860 of our experiences and some of our knowledge. 00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:13.360 And we hope that you gravitate to us, to this 00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:16.320 podcast, to Siren's podcast. Can't wait for her 00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:20.380 to, you know, to really, really get into it with 00:43:20.380 --> 00:43:25.079 hopefully my lady, Lindsay. And, you know, we're 00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:26.940 just going to keep this thing rolling. We're 00:43:26.940 --> 00:43:29.019 going to keep it rolling. And this is a beautiful 00:43:29.019 --> 00:43:31.610 world to live in. Let me tell you, a beautiful 00:43:31.610 --> 00:43:35.550 world to live in again. And I speak for, you 00:43:35.550 --> 00:43:37.969 know, Siren and Socrates because they are my 00:43:37.969 --> 00:43:42.469 family. Phillip and Lindsay, of course, my family. 00:43:42.710 --> 00:43:47.070 But these are some of the happiest couples I've 00:43:47.070 --> 00:43:51.590 ever met in my life. Period. Facts. All right. 00:43:51.650 --> 00:43:53.530 Now I'm going to shut up so we can keep going. 00:43:53.670 --> 00:43:58.079 But you guys just think about that. On to the 00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:00.340 triangle, y 'all. On to the triangle. The power 00:44:00.340 --> 00:44:04.840 dynamic, y 'all. This is the one I love. Yeah. 00:44:04.940 --> 00:44:07.760 So the principles behind that is the three fixed 00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.920 points connected by tension, right? The triangle 00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:13.480 is the most stable shape under pressure because 00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:16.159 each point supports the other. Now, this is where 00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:20.519 the big debate you're going to hear with the 00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:26.900 commission. This is where the controversy comes 00:44:26.900 --> 00:44:30.599 in. Our opinion is not the same shared opinion 00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:34.400 of the community. So we're going to talk about 00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:39.260 it because I believe in this strongly. And the 00:44:39.260 --> 00:44:43.300 most important thing for me is that there are 00:44:43.300 --> 00:44:47.039 three points connected by tension, connected 00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:52.159 by, you know, wanting to support each other and 00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:56.840 equality. And I want Unk to speak on this. And 00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:59.420 why do you, I know, Unk, you share this opinion 00:44:59.420 --> 00:45:02.880 because I, you know, sat under your fit and listened 00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:05.780 to your wisdom on it. And so I want you to kind 00:45:05.780 --> 00:45:07.880 of speak on that. And then you can kind of flow 00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:09.460 into whatever else you want. But I really want 00:45:09.460 --> 00:45:13.360 to hear that part. Okay. Of course, I'm going 00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:17.219 to start with what the bull brings, you know, 00:45:17.219 --> 00:45:25.320 to this. Here again. The bull can, he can be, 00:45:25.460 --> 00:45:31.139 he can bring his dominance into this. But at 00:45:31.139 --> 00:45:35.079 the same time, he, again, he has to bring versatility 00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:41.219 into it. He has to bring emotions. He has to 00:45:41.219 --> 00:45:43.719 bring, here's my favorite word again, adaptability. 00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:50.880 You know, this triangle requires strength, intuition, 00:45:51.139 --> 00:45:55.710 you know. the bull the bull leads the cook uh 00:45:55.710 --> 00:45:59.530 he he's i hate to say the word submissive but 00:45:59.530 --> 00:46:02.469 you know he yields his his strength in other 00:46:02.469 --> 00:46:06.070 words and then the hot wife she she she flourishes 00:46:06.070 --> 00:46:09.690 you know she she gets the best of both worlds 00:46:09.690 --> 00:46:13.289 right here she gets to see her husband over there 00:46:13.289 --> 00:46:16.869 you know you know loving seeing her being being 00:46:16.869 --> 00:46:20.010 pleased not only physically but also emotionally 00:46:20.010 --> 00:46:24.460 then the bull He's getting the best of both worlds 00:46:24.460 --> 00:46:27.280 because he's having that connection with the 00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:31.000 wife, and he's also having that connection with 00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:33.019 the husband. You know what I mean? Hell, they 00:46:33.019 --> 00:46:37.519 can go from not communicating a whole lot to 00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:40.380 communicating, I mean, almost like best friends. 00:46:40.980 --> 00:46:43.440 So, I mean, this is a three -way. This leads, 00:46:43.699 --> 00:46:46.980 this goes from you, from that bull going from 00:46:46.980 --> 00:46:51.019 the BBC bull, let's say the versatile, guy, the 00:46:51.019 --> 00:46:55.539 boyfriend, and then it may lead to him becoming 00:46:55.539 --> 00:46:59.880 part of a throuple, i .e. myself. I just define 00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:03.699 what the hell I am. So, you know, that's why 00:47:03.699 --> 00:47:08.219 I say I gravitate to the triangle more than anything. 00:47:08.460 --> 00:47:11.460 And I love it because everybody here definitely 00:47:11.460 --> 00:47:17.579 is on the same page. Open -minded, honesty, communication. 00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:22.840 et cetera, et cetera. So take it from there, 00:47:22.860 --> 00:47:28.199 y 'all. I love that. The bull leads, the staggered 00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:31.940 cuck relinquishes, and the wife flourishes. Oh, 00:47:31.980 --> 00:47:37.340 that's so dope. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness, 00:47:37.380 --> 00:47:42.420 that's so dope. Yeah, so one of the things that 00:47:42.420 --> 00:47:45.539 I like to focus on is the fact that in this dynamic 00:47:45.539 --> 00:47:48.219 is, you know, cuckolding, hot wife, stag, vixen. 00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:51.539 These dynamics are distinct roles in polarity. 00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:56.760 And like my boy Michael C. says, the hot wife 00:47:56.760 --> 00:47:59.219 or the cuckoldress flourishes. That's why it's 00:47:59.219 --> 00:48:02.639 wife -centric. Some people look at my dynamic, 00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:05.559 damn near play as much as your wife. Well, I'm 00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:11.260 like, no. Number one, it's really hard for a 00:48:11.260 --> 00:48:14.380 man to keep up with a wife if they are, you know, 00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:17.380 equally open to play. But number two. It's about 00:48:17.380 --> 00:48:20.679 the wife flourishing, right? I'm leading for 00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:23.559 one reason for the wife to flourish. The cook 00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:27.699 is relinquishing for one reason, the wife to 00:48:27.699 --> 00:48:30.079 flourish. And I love that because that's what 00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:33.980 it's all about. So it's a paradigm of making 00:48:33.980 --> 00:48:36.460 it wife centric so that the wife can flourish. 00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:39.219 I love that, you know, and then the bull and 00:48:39.219 --> 00:48:41.380 the cook stack and the hot wife form a powerful 00:48:41.380 --> 00:48:47.320 aligned trio, right? For me, I eat a throuple. 00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:49.760 That's right. I eat a throuple if that's what 00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:53.900 you're looking for. Yeah. I mean, for me, they're 00:48:53.900 --> 00:48:58.579 all equal points. That's why it's a triangle. 00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:02.960 And they have equal challenges. They might have 00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:06.079 unequal specific things that they're dealing 00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:09.300 with, right? Like a bull doesn't have to consult 00:49:09.300 --> 00:49:12.500 with his, you know, Wife or husband, at least 00:49:12.500 --> 00:49:14.659 in that dynamic. So I'm a married bull, and if 00:49:14.659 --> 00:49:18.559 I go to a couple and they don't want Cuck sitting, 00:49:18.739 --> 00:49:20.420 then my wife's not involved. She might schedule 00:49:20.420 --> 00:49:24.619 it, and that's it, right? But I'm going into 00:49:24.619 --> 00:49:28.019 that dynamic, and I'm going there to make sure 00:49:28.019 --> 00:49:32.099 she's connected, right? To make sure she's aligned 00:49:32.099 --> 00:49:35.940 in this trio. But I have unique challenges, you 00:49:35.940 --> 00:49:40.889 know? Cuck has unique challenges. And the hot 00:49:40.889 --> 00:49:42.550 wife has unique challenges. She has to worry 00:49:42.550 --> 00:49:45.530 about her cuck in that situation. She has to 00:49:45.530 --> 00:49:47.530 make sure his needs are met. He's worried about 00:49:47.530 --> 00:49:50.690 the wife. He's making sure that her needs are 00:49:50.690 --> 00:49:53.909 met. You know what I mean? But we all have equal 00:49:53.909 --> 00:49:58.030 challenges. I don't subscribe to this mentality 00:49:58.030 --> 00:50:01.849 that, oh, well, you know, there's a lot more 00:50:01.849 --> 00:50:04.329 bulls out here that ain't right. Well, that's 00:50:04.329 --> 00:50:09.190 true only because right now, The focus is on 00:50:09.190 --> 00:50:11.909 the bull trying to get the wife. He has to jump 00:50:11.909 --> 00:50:14.989 through all the hurdles and overcome obstacles 00:50:14.989 --> 00:50:18.389 and, you know, all of those things to try and 00:50:18.389 --> 00:50:20.550 make that wife feel comfortable and the cuck 00:50:20.550 --> 00:50:22.949 feel comfortable. But when you get more into 00:50:22.949 --> 00:50:25.829 this lifestyle and you start knowing the details 00:50:25.829 --> 00:50:28.949 of these dynamics, you know, not every cuckold 00:50:28.949 --> 00:50:31.610 couple is awesome. Not every cuckold couple is 00:50:31.610 --> 00:50:34.309 perfect. Not every couple has their shit together, 00:50:34.429 --> 00:50:37.239 right? They bring baggage to the table. that 00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:40.820 the bull has to navigate, as well as flaky bulls, 00:50:40.820 --> 00:50:42.500 right? Bulls claiming to be dominant, and they 00:50:42.500 --> 00:50:46.019 have no idea what dominance is, right? You know? 00:50:48.059 --> 00:50:51.679 Right? So it's like we all deal with unique challenges. 00:50:52.099 --> 00:50:55.639 I'm not to take away from the Karkovsk challenges, 00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:58.320 not to take away from the stress that they have 00:50:58.320 --> 00:50:59.739 to deal with and the issues they have to deal 00:50:59.739 --> 00:51:03.780 with, but it's more of like, hey, you know? As 00:51:03.780 --> 00:51:06.340 a bull, I don't want to be treated like, oh, 00:51:06.340 --> 00:51:09.079 okay, you know, Mr. Mocha talks about this a 00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:12.199 lot. You know, when a couple, a couple is concerned 00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:14.559 about privacy, well, we're professionals. We 00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:16.280 don't want to share our pictures. We don't want 00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.699 to take the risk of you knowing our faces. Well, 00:51:18.900 --> 00:51:21.739 hey, guess what? I'm a professional too. You 00:51:21.739 --> 00:51:25.900 know, I own businesses. I'm, you know, involved 00:51:25.900 --> 00:51:28.880 in my community. I live in a conservative community, 00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:31.699 right? I don't want my face out in the streets 00:51:31.699 --> 00:51:34.210 either do you. We're both taking a risk here, 00:51:34.289 --> 00:51:37.369 right? So I understand your concerns. Oh, well, 00:51:37.369 --> 00:51:39.969 my wife is shy. My wife's this. That's great. 00:51:40.050 --> 00:51:42.190 I might be shy too, just because I'm a bull doesn't 00:51:42.190 --> 00:51:45.130 mean there aren't introverted bulls. Doesn't 00:51:45.130 --> 00:51:47.030 mean there aren't shy in the beginning bulls, 00:51:47.030 --> 00:51:51.929 right? So, you know, that's my whole thing. It's 00:51:51.929 --> 00:51:57.590 like, you know, it's equal, right? There's defined 00:51:57.590 --> 00:52:00.090 roles. That's the difference, right? In the circle, 00:52:00.170 --> 00:52:04.210 there isn't defined roles. You know, for us, 00:52:04.409 --> 00:52:09.250 it's dominant, and we'll say submissive or relinquisher, 00:52:09.349 --> 00:52:13.230 and radiant feminine. I love that. Radiant feminine. 00:52:13.429 --> 00:52:16.309 Those are defined roles. Doesn't mean, again, 00:52:16.409 --> 00:52:18.030 we're not trying to pigeonhole y 'all. Y 'all 00:52:18.030 --> 00:52:20.590 do what you want, right? But what that means 00:52:20.590 --> 00:52:23.869 is, is that in a triangle or cuckold relationship, 00:52:24.269 --> 00:52:28.389 right, we know at least in context of that scene 00:52:28.389 --> 00:52:34.420 with the bull and the wife, or that cuckoldress, 00:52:34.619 --> 00:52:38.480 right? There's a dynamic there where he's going 00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:44.019 to lead her, right? So sexual polarity and intentional 00:52:44.019 --> 00:52:48.699 imbalance, right? In order to create any kind 00:52:48.699 --> 00:52:51.780 of attraction, whether it's vanilla or lifestyle, 00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:54.539 there has to be tension. There has to be sexual 00:52:54.539 --> 00:52:57.860 polarity, right? Because if you think about North 00:52:57.860 --> 00:53:02.329 Pole and South Pole, Those polarities push against 00:53:02.329 --> 00:53:06.170 each other, which creates gravity, creates an 00:53:06.170 --> 00:53:08.849 attraction to each other. That's what you're 00:53:08.849 --> 00:53:11.590 doing. As a bull, you're coming in dominant or 00:53:11.590 --> 00:53:14.989 leadership energy. And she's given the polarity 00:53:14.989 --> 00:53:21.849 of feminine or relinquishing that control to 00:53:21.849 --> 00:53:24.710 that dominant. That's a polarity that you want. 00:53:25.610 --> 00:53:28.510 The biggest thing is compersion. Sometimes a 00:53:28.510 --> 00:53:32.730 humiliation or even devotion may exist, right? 00:53:32.809 --> 00:53:35.849 So there's devotion from the bull sometimes. 00:53:36.449 --> 00:53:38.969 There's definitely devotion from the cuck. And 00:53:38.969 --> 00:53:41.489 there's devotion from the hot wife or cuckodress 00:53:41.489 --> 00:53:44.090 to their husband. But the biggest thing is compersion, 00:53:44.110 --> 00:53:47.769 right? Like, I think, and I want your opinion 00:53:47.769 --> 00:53:51.929 on this, Unc. I think a good bull needs a little 00:53:51.929 --> 00:53:55.340 bit of compersion. To see that couple, like the 00:53:55.340 --> 00:53:58.179 last event we went to, to see the smiles and 00:53:58.179 --> 00:54:01.179 the radiance in the cuck and the hot wise faces, 00:54:01.380 --> 00:54:03.880 that was compersion for me. But what do you think, 00:54:03.880 --> 00:54:08.239 Uncle? If that isn't what the bull wants to see 00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:13.139 every time he has an encounter, then he should 00:54:13.139 --> 00:54:15.599 get out of the business. Because that's what 00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:18.579 it's all about. That's what it's all about. It's 00:54:18.579 --> 00:54:21.300 never about you, okay? I think I've told you 00:54:21.300 --> 00:54:26.690 before, nephew. I'm pleased when the couple reaches 00:54:26.690 --> 00:54:29.090 out to me, when the couple shows interest in 00:54:29.090 --> 00:54:31.230 me, when the couple says, hey, we want to meet. 00:54:31.510 --> 00:54:34.889 I'm pleased right there. So now it's all about 00:54:34.889 --> 00:54:38.230 that couple. And it's not just about the wife. 00:54:38.389 --> 00:54:41.010 OK, I'm going to know within five to 10 minutes 00:54:41.010 --> 00:54:42.369 whether or not she and I are going to have a 00:54:42.369 --> 00:54:46.130 good time. But I want to make that husband equally 00:54:46.130 --> 00:54:51.449 as happy in his role. If he's a real cook, then 00:54:51.449 --> 00:54:53.869 I want him to have. that real cuck experience 00:54:53.869 --> 00:54:57.090 okay if he wants to be you know slightly humiliated 00:54:57.090 --> 00:54:59.670 or whatever then i'm gonna make sure that that 00:54:59.670 --> 00:55:02.329 happens but at the end of the night when i'm 00:55:02.329 --> 00:55:04.750 getting ready to leave them i want them both 00:55:04.750 --> 00:55:07.769 to be able to come up to me and be like we we 00:55:07.769 --> 00:55:12.789 enjoyed you and we want to see you again that's 00:55:12.789 --> 00:55:14.730 the that's the ultimate bull experience right 00:55:14.730 --> 00:55:17.329 there in a nutshell so if you're not trying to 00:55:17.329 --> 00:55:20.050 do that guys when you're out there you're in 00:55:20.050 --> 00:55:23.380 the wrong field Siren, what do you think? Do 00:55:23.380 --> 00:55:29.000 you think a good bull can not have that compersion 00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:31.179 feeling? Like, you know, some of the ones that 00:55:31.179 --> 00:55:32.760 are a little bit more comfortable with me leaving 00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:35.119 the room, what do you think? Like, what's the 00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:37.400 point? You know, it's just very self -serving 00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:39.800 if that's the only reason that you're there is 00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:45.300 for yourself, you know? It was very fun, I would 00:55:45.300 --> 00:55:49.679 just say, to be at that event and to hear from 00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:53.750 the bulls. playing with the other dynamics like 00:55:53.750 --> 00:55:56.809 just how excited that they were and they talked 00:55:56.809 --> 00:56:00.610 probably actually more about the cuck and like 00:56:00.610 --> 00:56:04.070 how cool it was to like you know it be in the 00:56:04.070 --> 00:56:07.309 experience with them even more than some of like 00:56:07.309 --> 00:56:10.590 the the women you know because and and just like 00:56:10.590 --> 00:56:12.730 how happy they were to be able to like be of 00:56:12.730 --> 00:56:15.289 service to that couple you know it was just you 00:56:15.289 --> 00:56:17.829 could tell the enjoyment definitely hit all points 00:56:17.829 --> 00:56:22.400 of that triangle and So the ones that, you know, 00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:24.619 I've run into that are very comfortable with 00:56:24.619 --> 00:56:26.619 that, it seems like they're super comfortable 00:56:26.619 --> 00:56:31.280 and they enjoy all aspects of that. Or there's 00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:33.860 the ones that just are green and clueless and 00:56:33.860 --> 00:56:36.599 then they yuck other people's yums, which we 00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:39.000 don't like anybody who yucks someone's yum anyways. 00:56:39.139 --> 00:56:43.460 So it's like you might not understand it. I had, 00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:45.099 you know, remember, I think on a different pursuit, 00:56:45.219 --> 00:56:49.000 I told you guys, like, I used to think that someone 00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:51.900 putting a tuck in the cage was like a literal 00:56:51.900 --> 00:56:54.880 cage, like a human -sized dog crate or something. 00:56:55.780 --> 00:56:58.380 And then, you know, that's just ignorance, right? 00:56:58.780 --> 00:57:02.059 So I had ignorance, but I was just like, I need 00:57:02.059 --> 00:57:04.179 to find out more about this because I just don't 00:57:04.179 --> 00:57:05.880 really know anything about it. And then the more 00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:08.460 I know about it, the more beautiful and the more 00:57:08.460 --> 00:57:12.849 appreciative I am of. all of that and then just 00:57:12.849 --> 00:57:15.809 being around more people like that you know not 00:57:15.809 --> 00:57:18.789 being in that dynamic myself I just was able 00:57:18.789 --> 00:57:21.309 to have you know an even greater appreciation 00:57:21.309 --> 00:57:25.710 for the dynamic and just really enjoy you know 00:57:25.710 --> 00:57:28.449 talking to to all points on the triangle and 00:57:28.449 --> 00:57:30.210 how they related to each other was really cool 00:57:30.210 --> 00:57:35.710 let me ask you guys this did you notice the interaction 00:57:35.710 --> 00:57:38.829 between the bulls as far as communicating with 00:57:38.829 --> 00:57:41.860 each other like say after an encounter or Just 00:57:41.860 --> 00:57:44.900 like during, say, breakfast or lunch or out at 00:57:44.900 --> 00:57:49.139 the pool, you know, were they like a real brotherhood 00:57:49.139 --> 00:57:53.599 there? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, 00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:56.000 because they were having such a great time. You 00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:59.619 know, the experience was a true experience. It 00:57:59.619 --> 00:58:01.719 was a different experience than a Splash Mocha. 00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:05.460 Right. Well, and it was smaller. you know grouping 00:58:05.460 --> 00:58:08.579 and so i think you knowing that they were all 00:58:08.579 --> 00:58:12.280 there for that purpose to be a part of a cuckold 00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:16.440 dynamic um you know with the with the exception 00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:19.559 of us who were just helping you know at the event 00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:24.000 so just knowing that they were there for that 00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:26.900 it was a very focused time and then they when 00:58:26.900 --> 00:58:28.699 they're talking to each other you know they all 00:58:28.699 --> 00:58:30.500 know they're there for the same purpose for the 00:58:30.500 --> 00:58:33.650 same thing so it was so that That made it easier 00:58:33.650 --> 00:58:35.829 than going to Splash. You're like, hey, what 00:58:35.829 --> 00:58:38.989 kind of dynamics are you? You know what's in 00:58:38.989 --> 00:58:42.190 there. Splash is speed fucking. That's all the 00:58:42.190 --> 00:58:45.389 fuck it is. That's what Splash is. All the great 00:58:45.389 --> 00:58:48.170 is speed fucking. You all know that. The morning 00:58:48.170 --> 00:58:52.929 gathering was where it's at. As a bull, you do 00:58:52.929 --> 00:58:57.230 not get a chance to master your craft at Splash 00:58:57.230 --> 00:59:00.570 Mocha. At smaller events, you get a chance to 00:59:00.570 --> 00:59:03.019 master your craft. And they got a chance to actually 00:59:03.019 --> 00:59:07.800 be what a bull is supposed to be at Utopia. You 00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:10.820 know what I mean? They met. They had great conversation. 00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:14.380 They interacted with, you know what I mean, not 00:59:14.380 --> 00:59:16.739 just sexually, but they actually interacted, 00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:20.059 acted with. They got to know these couples on 00:59:20.059 --> 00:59:23.199 a whole different vibe, physically, emotionally, 00:59:23.539 --> 00:59:27.599 you know. So it was the total experience. Right. 00:59:27.659 --> 00:59:31.710 That was tight. Exactly. It was time to slow 00:59:31.710 --> 00:59:35.070 down and interact with other bulls more. Exactly, 00:59:35.130 --> 00:59:40.829 exactly. And the bulls, they had to exude patience. 00:59:41.530 --> 00:59:43.849 You had to have some patience there because, 00:59:43.929 --> 00:59:46.050 like I said, you had couples there that were, 00:59:46.289 --> 00:59:48.750 you guys told me that there were some veterans 00:59:48.750 --> 00:59:51.010 there, and then I think you had some ones who 00:59:51.010 --> 00:59:52.789 had never been to something like that before, 00:59:52.889 --> 00:59:55.389 correct? Exactly. So they had to be patient, 00:59:55.469 --> 00:59:59.650 you know what I mean, and let nature take its 00:59:59.650 --> 01:00:02.429 course. So that was that was the perfect event 01:00:02.429 --> 01:00:05.409 for those nine or 10 guys who went, you know, 01:00:05.409 --> 01:00:07.730 regardless if they were seasoned vets or if they 01:00:07.730 --> 01:00:10.710 were just, you know, getting into the damn into 01:00:10.710 --> 01:00:14.369 the, you know, the Bull Brotherhood. So, yeah, 01:00:14.429 --> 01:00:16.730 that was that was good. That was great. I want 01:00:16.730 --> 01:00:19.110 to give I want to give Michael see his flower. 01:00:19.230 --> 01:00:22.590 So what we're talking about is the club utopia. 01:00:23.489 --> 01:00:27.150 It's on the keys and inklets dot com or keys 01:00:27.150 --> 01:00:32.449 and inklets podcast dot com. website. Him and 01:00:32.449 --> 01:00:35.610 Blonde by the Bay put this thing together. We 01:00:35.610 --> 01:00:38.829 were just there as kind of helping them. They 01:00:38.829 --> 01:00:42.389 did a really good job of selecting the right 01:00:42.389 --> 01:00:46.250 bulls and he also created a telegram group to 01:00:46.250 --> 01:00:49.690 keep everybody's privacy and that these bulls 01:00:49.690 --> 01:00:51.769 can talk to each other and they were able to 01:00:51.769 --> 01:00:54.329 kind of talk to each other and get to know a 01:00:54.329 --> 01:00:56.849 little bit about each other beforehand. And so 01:00:56.849 --> 01:01:00.469 what I saw is that they started forming friendships 01:01:00.469 --> 01:01:03.389 and bonds right away. You started seeing guys 01:01:03.389 --> 01:01:05.610 that didn't know each other beforehand. They 01:01:05.610 --> 01:01:07.369 were hanging out the whole weekend on, you know, 01:01:07.389 --> 01:01:09.889 times resting in between play and in between 01:01:09.889 --> 01:01:13.929 the events and eating and stuff. And you saw 01:01:13.929 --> 01:01:16.250 them really bonding and connecting. It was dope. 01:01:17.329 --> 01:01:20.070 Here again, at smaller events where you just 01:01:20.070 --> 01:01:24.409 got eight, nine, ten guys, it really is you guys 01:01:24.409 --> 01:01:27.269 get to practice what being brothers is all about. 01:01:27.550 --> 01:01:29.670 You know, like fraternal brothers. You know, 01:01:29.710 --> 01:01:32.570 like I said, Splash, you got a hundred motherfuckers 01:01:32.570 --> 01:01:35.670 there. Hell, it's all about damn competing. You're 01:01:35.670 --> 01:01:37.929 competing. You know what I mean? You're running 01:01:37.929 --> 01:01:39.730 from one to the other. Oh, I saw this one, but 01:01:39.730 --> 01:01:41.769 he grabbed up. So let me go to the other one 01:01:41.769 --> 01:01:46.070 over here. You can't enjoy what being a bull 01:01:46.070 --> 01:01:49.789 is really all about at those big events. They're 01:01:49.789 --> 01:01:51.610 fun. Don't get me wrong. They are fun. I never 01:01:51.610 --> 01:01:54.670 downgrade Splash. I love going to Splash. But 01:01:54.670 --> 01:01:58.139 now I love being the... Kind of like the voyeur 01:01:58.139 --> 01:02:00.739 at Splash and just watching everybody, you know, 01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:03.300 how they operate, especially the guys. But at 01:02:03.300 --> 01:02:05.320 a smaller event, though, when you get to really 01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:09.000 practice your craft, you get to hone your skills, 01:02:09.179 --> 01:02:13.139 that's perfect. So, you know, here again, shout 01:02:13.139 --> 01:02:16.139 out to Michael C. and shout out to you two for 01:02:16.139 --> 01:02:19.400 having a great damn event. You know, and I won't 01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:21.860 miss the next one. I certainly won't. Yes, sir. 01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:25.460 All right, Unc, well, I want to kind of end it 01:02:25.460 --> 01:02:27.880 up with a little, I got a little grid for y 'all. 01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:31.539 If you guys can kind of picture this grid, the 01:02:31.539 --> 01:02:34.519 square, circle, and triangle grid. I don't know 01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:36.440 if you guys want to talk about something else, 01:02:36.460 --> 01:02:38.079 but I just kind of want to share that to kind 01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:41.119 of give people a little visual in their head 01:02:41.119 --> 01:02:43.099 that they can picture. If you're going to look 01:02:43.099 --> 01:02:45.739 at each shape, each one symbolizes something 01:02:45.739 --> 01:02:48.880 and each one is a typical dynamic. And then there's 01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:52.289 what an ideal bull trait. could or recommend 01:02:52.289 --> 01:02:56.670 it and i really like this so as far as the square 01:02:56.670 --> 01:03:02.210 that symbolizes balance and reciprocity right 01:03:02.210 --> 01:03:05.070 the typical dynamics usually are swingers or 01:03:05.070 --> 01:03:09.210 the swapping mentality and the ideal bull trait 01:03:09.210 --> 01:03:15.510 to me is charismatic guest bull if you walk in 01:03:15.510 --> 01:03:18.690 in a square dynamic which is the least one you're 01:03:18.690 --> 01:03:21.510 going to get as a bull, right? It's going to 01:03:21.510 --> 01:03:23.989 be rare that you walk into that dynamic, but 01:03:23.989 --> 01:03:27.070 you can as a single male. You want to come in 01:03:27.070 --> 01:03:30.949 as a charismatic guest to that square, right? 01:03:32.429 --> 01:03:34.570 And then the challenge is you got to wait for 01:03:34.570 --> 01:03:40.349 mutual desire, right? You have to make sure that 01:03:40.349 --> 01:03:46.059 the male in that. couple is more comfortable 01:03:46.059 --> 01:03:48.500 with you. You got to make sure she's obviously 01:03:48.500 --> 01:03:50.800 attracted to you, that she's going to make sure 01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:54.360 he's good, you know, that kind of thing. When 01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:57.139 it comes to the circle, it symbolizes flow and 01:03:57.139 --> 01:04:00.400 versatility, right? And these dynamics are open 01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:05.179 relationships, poly, stag vixen, it's flexibility, 01:04:05.500 --> 01:04:08.880 right? Now, the ideal trait for there for a bull 01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:13.559 is emotional agility and patience, right? Um, 01:04:13.699 --> 01:04:17.619 the risk is of being ambiguous or confusing, 01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:21.860 right? So in a circle, you know, there's a lot 01:04:21.860 --> 01:04:24.619 of dynamics. There's a lot of complexity to it. 01:04:24.679 --> 01:04:27.380 You know, it's a lot of free flowing and you 01:04:27.380 --> 01:04:30.239 really want to be emotionally agile. Right. You 01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:33.500 don't want to have too many expectations or rules 01:04:33.500 --> 01:04:36.579 or parameters you have to walk in. If you are 01:04:36.579 --> 01:04:38.380 one of those bulls, I got all these preferences 01:04:38.380 --> 01:04:41.559 and I have, you know, sensory deprivation or 01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:44.699 I like it this way or I need it that way or I 01:04:44.699 --> 01:04:47.239 want the approach to be this way or I only approach 01:04:47.239 --> 01:04:50.219 that way. I really don't recommend that because, 01:04:50.300 --> 01:04:54.719 you know, you're gone. It's not like every single, 01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:57.619 you know, situation is going to be difficult. 01:04:58.280 --> 01:05:01.559 But, you know, for us, you have to be versatile 01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:04.559 with us being Stag Vixen because you might come 01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:06.719 over and I might say something and I'm going 01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:09.380 to go in the backyard and, you know, put my fire 01:05:09.380 --> 01:05:10.980 and chill or I'm going to come in here and watch 01:05:10.980 --> 01:05:14.280 some Star Wars, like Siren said, you know, or 01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:18.340 I might be involved. Or you might be at a party 01:05:18.340 --> 01:05:20.019 and I'm throwing a party and I want to make sure 01:05:20.019 --> 01:05:22.340 that everybody's getting their individual needs 01:05:22.340 --> 01:05:26.150 met. So you want to be versatile. To the triangle 01:05:26.150 --> 01:05:28.670 symbol, that represents tension and polarity, 01:05:28.690 --> 01:05:32.510 right? Now, the dynamics are cuckolding, outwifing, 01:05:32.530 --> 01:05:37.050 structured, stag, vixen, right? The ideal trait 01:05:37.050 --> 01:05:40.650 for the bull is dominance, leadership, and being 01:05:40.650 --> 01:05:43.949 intentional, right? When you come into a cuckold 01:05:43.949 --> 01:05:45.829 relationship or a stag -vixen relationship where 01:05:45.829 --> 01:05:51.489 he is relinquishing power as a stag or a cuck, 01:05:51.570 --> 01:05:53.789 you want to be intentional. You want to have 01:05:53.789 --> 01:05:57.900 a fucking game plan. And I like the word leadership 01:05:57.900 --> 01:06:01.239 as opposed to dominance. I think dominance is 01:06:01.239 --> 01:06:05.119 the description you describe of what it looks 01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:10.079 like for a leader to lead. Because dominance 01:06:10.079 --> 01:06:14.420 is not about being mean or aggressive or not 01:06:14.420 --> 01:06:17.320 considering what that person's concerns are. 01:06:17.500 --> 01:06:20.809 It's about leading them through. a scene or through 01:06:20.809 --> 01:06:23.030 a relationship in a way where you can navigate 01:06:23.030 --> 01:06:26.949 everybody to ecstasy and fun and things being 01:06:26.949 --> 01:06:33.010 safe. Can I say something? That was why I said 01:06:33.010 --> 01:06:37.269 what I said earlier when I did say you can be 01:06:37.269 --> 01:06:40.429 dominant or expected to be dominant, but you 01:06:40.429 --> 01:06:43.929 don't have to be dominant. Remember what I've 01:06:43.929 --> 01:06:47.389 said in the past, ladies and gentlemen, and my 01:06:47.389 --> 01:06:51.550 fellow bulls out there. Confidence breeds dominance. 01:06:52.389 --> 01:06:55.650 If you go into that situation as a confident 01:06:55.650 --> 01:06:59.829 male, as a confident bull, then it's going to 01:06:59.829 --> 01:07:03.510 exude the dominance. They're going to automatically 01:07:03.510 --> 01:07:10.309 both the wife and the husband will immediately 01:07:10.309 --> 01:07:14.909 submit to you and let you lead from the front. 01:07:15.530 --> 01:07:18.289 So that's why I said you can be dominant going 01:07:18.289 --> 01:07:20.869 in there. But if you're not necessarily the one 01:07:20.869 --> 01:07:25.250 that exudes that dominance, at least be extremely 01:07:25.250 --> 01:07:28.469 confident. Like I said, you go in there confident, 01:07:28.690 --> 01:07:30.710 it's going to automatically turn into dominance. 01:07:31.010 --> 01:07:33.590 So go ahead now, nephew. Yes, sir. I just want 01:07:33.590 --> 01:07:36.369 to finish off with one quote. Your lifestyle 01:07:36.369 --> 01:07:40.170 dynamic reflects the shape of your energy. Squares 01:07:40.170 --> 01:07:43.409 are about equality. Circles are about expansion. 01:07:44.280 --> 01:07:47.340 And triangles are about power. Know your shape? 01:07:47.420 --> 01:07:53.599 Great points. Great points. Great points. Great 01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:56.300 points. And a great podcast for this evening. 01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:00.739 Great podcast. Anything you guys want to say? 01:08:01.019 --> 01:08:05.079 No, that's what an end quote is for. Put an exclamation 01:08:05.079 --> 01:08:07.940 point on it. Ladies and gentlemen, we're going 01:08:07.940 --> 01:08:12.000 to close this one out for this evening. As always, 01:08:12.260 --> 01:08:15.389 I'm the Sigma Male. Brian Morgan, along with 01:08:15.389 --> 01:08:18.810 the family, Siren and Soccer Cheese, coming at 01:08:18.810 --> 01:08:22.750 you from the Bull Brotherhood podcast. We will 01:08:22.750 --> 01:08:27.010 see you another time soon. Hopefully within the 01:08:27.010 --> 01:08:31.909 next week, correct? Yes, sir. All right. And 01:08:31.909 --> 01:08:36.369 as always, in signing off, to my brothers of 01:08:36.369 --> 01:08:39.529 the Brotherhood out there, good night. And to 01:08:39.529 --> 01:08:44.939 my sexy sirens. hot wives and unicorns. Good 01:08:44.939 --> 01:09:10.789 morning. Until we meet again, y 'all. This brotherhood's 01:09:10.789 --> 01:09:13.649 for men whose stories need to get told. Say it 01:09:13.649 --> 01:09:18.489 loud. Say it loud. This is who we are. Bold, 01:09:18.609 --> 01:09:22.750 confident, seductive. Dominant and classy. We 01:09:22.750 --> 01:09:28.069 stand tall, never fall. Bold brotherhood. Luxury 01:09:28.069 --> 01:09:29.229 untold.