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luxury untold. Ladies and gentlemen, good evening
and welcome to another episode of the Bull Brotherhood
podcast. I'm your host for the evening, Mr. Brian
Morgan, a .k .a. the Sigma Male, the introverted
alpha, the lone wolf. one half of the Brotherhood,
and tonight I have the pleasure of being able
to interview my podcast partner in crime, the
one and only Socrates, along with his lovely
wife, essential siren, in my southern drawl.
How y 'all doing tonight? We're doing good. Thanks
for having us, Brian. What's good, y 'all? Thanks
for having me, brother. All right. Wonderful,
wonderful. Ladies and gentlemen, let me start
off by saying this is truly an honor to interview
these two tonight. because these two have really
become family in a short period of time. And
if you don't know Socrates and Siren, tonight
that's what I want to really introduce the couple.
Not just Socrates, the bull, and Siren, the...
What do I call you, Siren, when you're out there
doing your thing? Are you considered a unicorn
or a cockatrice or what? I think that's that
way for us. Yeah, Vixen. Just Hot Wife. Vixen,
okay, I'll stay. I'll stay. We're here again.
Let's get started with the interview. How did
you two meet, and were you already in the lifestyle
when you met? And if not, what got you into the
lifestyle? So we met the good old -fashioned
2021 way, and that is on the Bumble app for dating.
Okay. Yeah. And I love efficiency. So they have
this thing that you can buy a feature for the
women for 10 extra dollars a month. You can see
who swiped on you. So it's more efficient. So
you can go and just not spend all day swiping.
Right. So I saw the variety of men that had swiped
on me. So I just narrowed it down. And Socrates
here had he wasn't that good looking. In his
pictures, like, to be honest. But he filled out
his entire profile completely, and that just
got me. So we started chatting, and I was getting
ready to go on a trip. So I went on my trip,
and I said, hey, I'll be back next Tuesday. If
you want to talk to me then, you know, hit me
up. So Tuesday rolled around right on time. He
texted me, said, you want to go for a drink?
I said, sure. I think it was like the next night
we were going to go. Yeah, it was the next night.
And yeah, December 1st, 2021. And we went on
our first date. I almost didn't go because I
was tired and I didn't really take the time to
get ready. very well um and i told my daughter
i said oh do i look cute but not too cute because
if i'm too cute they're gonna fall in love with
me and i'm gonna kiss and then i'm gonna break
his heart and then it's all my fault with all
the other guys you know and despite you know
but but if a guy asked me out i always you know
i i would always go you know because i know that
in this day and age it's like a lot of men don't
even take the initiative anymore so um anyway
so i met um up with socrates at the the spot
and I was there just a second or two before him
and he tapped me on the shoulder and he said
my name and then I looked up and I didn't even
say hello I said you're hot and to this day we
joke he reverse catfished me because when he
showed up in person I was like um who's that
in the pictures because you are hot And he was
a bull in the lifestyle when we met. And then
about a couple weeks after we met, I walked into
his room in the daylight for the first time and
saw these hotel key cards lined up on his windowsill.
And I said, oh, what are these? And he was like,
you don't want to know. And I said, oh, yes,
I do. I know there's some good stories right
here. And he asked me if I knew what being a
bull is. And I said, oh, yes, when like a couple
will get you to come and you'll fuck the wife
while the husband watches. And he's like, oh,
how'd you learn about that? And I was like, probably
porn. Like, I don't know. But I said, I, you
know, no stranger, like I've had at least a dozen
couples ask me to join them over the years, but
I just never did because I was worried about
the quality and then having to see these people
again. So I never did. with a chicken. So then
Socrates, you know, just asked me if I was interested
in knowing more about the lifestyle. And, you
know, I had a lot of emotions about it. I was
like, well, is it just like you get your cake
and eat it too? And, you know, all these type
of things. But I actually was in the middle of
reading The Ethical Slut for the second time
when I met him. So I kind of just picked that
up and finished it off. And then he gave me some
podcasts to go to. um some different websites
but and man it took me about four months and
I was like man I was just wrestling with it and
then one day I said I just need to talk to a
woman about this like I need to talk to another
woman in the lifestyle and I had a friend online
who was in some different groups um and some
of the stories and that she would tell in there
were pretty crazy so I was like huh this seems
like maybe what she's doing And so I I hit her
up and I asked questions back and forth for probably
a period of a day. And she just explained everything,
basically said the same thing, but just from
a woman's perspective, you know, but she backed
up everything that he said. So then I knew I
was like, OK, this is like real. This is the
truth. You know, it's like another person to
verify. And just hearing it first perspective,
then I was like, oh, I'm like, I'm in. Let's
do this. That's the hell of a damn intro right
there. Every intro. No, seriously, that's what
I want to hear. That's what I believe, you know,
fans and listeners want to hear. They want to
hear how people have really, you know, and truly
gotten into this world. As you know, I very seldom
say lifestyle. So, I mean, I live this life 24
-7, as you guys know. So, I want to know, especially
from family, how did you guys get into this,
you know? So, there are a few. Tell me. First
of all, when you first... When you first saw,
when you first saw Siren, tell me, tell me, I
mean, tell me. Did she pass the test at first
glance? Or were you like, oh, well, you know,
fine. But, you know what I'm saying? I got to
get to know her better. Tell me. Well, I'm going
to tell the fans. Exactly what went through your
mind. Nah, like, it was different for me. When
I saw her, I was like, oh, she hits. every one
of my qualifications so i hit her up and you
know one thing i liked about bumble is you know
if you're interested in me you have to reach
out so it's it's really clear i'm not bothering
women or like women that are just bored on there
and having fun you know you're serious about
it so at least that's what i felt like so yeah
when i saw her and she was like oh i'm going
out of town You know, follow up on Tuesday or
whatever day it was. I was like, bet. I put it
in my calendar. I gave myself reminders. I was
like, I'm all over this. You know, and so the
looks were there. And if I'm honest, I wasn't
looking for a serious relationship, but she qualified
for everything physically that I wanted. And
I loved her energy in the conversation we had.
So, yeah. When I saw her, I was like, oh, and
because she was. facing away from me. So she
was Eleanor, and she has very long, curly hair,
and I love that. And she had a big moody, I don't
mind saying, curvy, you know, curly hair, dressed
well, and she was chill. Like she said, she wasn't,
but she was natural. I liked the fact that she
didn't put a whole lot of time putting a lot
of makeup on. She looks good with makeup, but
she looks beautiful without it. So, you know,
but what got me was the conversation. You know,
she's intelligent. business owner you know and
um fun and so that you know it got me the first
night you just answered the next question because
i was going to ask you being called socrates
what was the conversation like but you just i
can i can just imagine from from the way she
answered from the way you answered siren and
then the way socrates is knowing him now i can
imagine that you guys were really really it was
a very very engaging conversation Very engaging.
So tell me, I mean, when you when you found out
and I'm speaking to Siren, when you found out,
of course, he was a bull and, you know, you got
the verification from your girlfriend that what
he was saying was not bullshit and everything.
He was a real bull. How did you I mean, how did
you guys start exploring? Did you just like go
right into the lifestyle or did you like, you
know, check it out thoroughly before you went
to an event? or how you guys go into it oh hell
no i just get enough information to like get
comfortable and then i just like dive headfirst
into things and my husband's this um because
i'm like gosh he researches like way more than
i do and i'm like more of a feeling person so
i just get comfortable with it and yeah like
i know enough about it you know sometimes i get
a little nervous but um So I think that he had
a friend up in the Seattle area that was in the
lifestyle. And so they had suggested Club Sapphire
there right off the side. And so that was a club
that's a reasonable distance from us in one direction
or another, I won't say. But so we I said, let's
go. And I like booked us a ticket in this whole
thing. And then he made some stupid. plan to
go look at some business thing and like ruin
the weekend and so I was pissed at him I went
anyways I didn't go to the club though I just
went to the area and you know just to see some
friends and hang out and chill and then I drove
by the club like on like one of the nights to
just kind of see what the vibe was but it just
looked like a regular office place um and then
I think it was another month because actually
we're actually coming up on our third year anniversary
of being in the lifestyle together um and so
we did eventually make it back to the club and
I was just sweating bullets and we talked a whole
lot about it like we we made like a million and
a half rules it felt like um and he's just like
remember you don't have to do anything that you
don't want to do he's like we can go in there
whenever you want to leave we can leave we can
do stuff we can not do stuff you know he just
gave me lots of options and uh they may feel
a lot better but I was still like sweating bullets
and we go in the little room and watch the rules
and all that and then you know go out there um
when this just looks like kind of like a regular
bar like lots of places to sit a dance floor
you know and i was like oh okay it's like and
i also watched um all the youtube videos on the
club So that I can kind of like get the club
tour, like see what was going to happen. You
know, obviously. So you did do some research.
I did do a little swan set club specifically.
But then I was like, I don't know what to expect.
But right when we walked in, I saw a handsome
brother from across the room. So I was like,
oh, well, there's at least one here tonight.
So we'll see how it goes. And then, you know,
we just danced. And then eventually I just kind
of got antsy. And I was like, let's just go in
the back. You know, we'll just start out with
each other and like see what happens. So we plopped
down on a bed next to another couple and they
were just in their own little world. And I was
just like so amazed at how focused they were
on each other with us like doing stuff right
next to them. And I just thought he's really
cool. And I loved all the sounds you can hear
of everyone in the room because I love that.
And so then after we were. uh done there then
we kind of moved on and then we saw uh the guy
I had seen earlier and then just kind of progressed
from there and I remember just being so like
um can I ask him you know asking Socrates can
I ask him that if I can touch his arms and he's
like yes you can ask him if you can touch his
arm and then I was like okay do you like can
I touch your arms you know I was just like consent
consent consent like every single step um you
know and now you kind of just When we play with
people, it's like, oh, you just consent to play
and then you just go, right? But I was like,
okay, can I touch your leg now? Okay, can I touch
your dick? Like every step of the way, I was
asking permission of Socrates and the guy. So
we ended up playing with like two couples, I
think, and then a little group too. So it was
a wild night. In other words, I introduced her
to it and I've been holding on for dear life
ever since. Nephew, I'm going to tell you right
now, brother. And when I hear her speak. She
definitely has the right name, Siren. She sounds
dangerous, alluring, and seductive. You know
what I mean? She sounds what her name suggests,
Siren. So, nephew, you really started out that
night as, I'm not going to say a stag, but you
were kind of like I am with my baby girl. You
know, if we go to an event. She has fair game
to play, you know, as much as she wants to. But
at the same time, she knows to respect. You know,
she asked you, you know, was this good, that
good? And you said, hey, you know, do your thing.
So, I mean, how did that make you feel that night?
Did you kind of like, after the evening was over,
did you kind of go home and say to yourself,
hmm, this might be somebody that I need to hang
on to? Or did you just think, okay, that's, we
had a good time. Maybe I'll see you again. Maybe
I don't, et cetera, et cetera. How'd you feel
after that? Well, I knew she was it because one
of the things is she didn't say is I actually
stepped out of the lifestyle for a couple of
months until she felt comfortable and I was willing
to do it for a long time. But that night said,
I said to myself, oh my goodness, this woman
is amazing. And she really took to the lifestyle,
you know? So it was like. Wait a minute. I remember
a time talking to one of my friends saying, this
is the kind of woman I want. And they were like,
those women don't exist. That's what my friend
told me one time. I was like, I'm going to look
for it. And it's worth finding if it's, you know.
And that night I was like, yeah, I found it.
I found that unicorn, like literally just, who
is just as slutty as she is loyal and just as
nasty as she is smart, just as gritty. As she
is, like, ready to fuck. Down to fuck. You know
what I mean? So, that's what I wanted. And I
realized that night, that's what I got. Again,
sounds like you have what our brother Mr. Mocha
has. You know, you found that. You found that
ride or die lady who has embraced this life just
like you have. And she wants not only to be She
wants the pleasure herself, but she wants you
to be pleased and you guys want to be pleased
as that one team. You know, like I said, I ate
that ride or die. I love y 'all, but I hate you
in the same damn breath. Because I don't, because
I don't, because I don't have that. And I've
told you that more times than once, that I wish,
I wish I could find a siren at a Mrs. Mocha.
I wish I could, you know, but hey, that's another.
She's out there. I tell you what, sweetie, at
my age, I don't know. I swear. I really don't
know. My mom, I'm going to give you some advice.
My mom says the heart is never too old to love.
Okay? That's true. You're still grieving. There's
still time. That is true. I am still grieving.
I love you. I am still grieving. But I tell you
what, though, she's going to be a bad motherfucker
to fuck with. She's going to have to be up bad,
motherfucker. She's out there cuffing and...
Let's get back to the swing of things, all right?
People don't want to hear me cry like that on
the airwaves. But they're okay. So you guys,
here again, you guys kind of knew. You knew that
you wanted to be together, correct? Yeah. You
knew that. She figured it out a little sooner
than I did, but yeah, it was quick. But he said
I left first. I left it 11 days. 11 days. Yeah.
It was kind of acted out on purpose, I think.
He was dropping me off at a party and he took
me inside. Hello to everybody. He said, I'll
be back in a little bit. And then on the way
out, he gave me a big kiss and said, love you
and left. But the party just happened. And I
can imagine everybody there like looking like,
what the fuck just happened? Yelling. He dropped
the love of his life off, you know, and is comfortable,
is comfortable to leave her there. Knowing that,
you know, you're going to go in there and do
your thing. And hey, baby, I'll be back at this
time to pick you up. You tell me all about it.
And we'll probably go home and tear each other's
brains out, you know, for the rest of the night.
That's, that's a beautiful, that's, that's marriage.
That should be in the fucking dictionary. I tell
you. It doesn't matter if it's a few hours or
a few minutes. Okay. And that's good that he
missed you. It is good. All right. There is nothing
wrong with being a bull on a boyfriend. Okay.
That's a whole nother damn topic though. I won't
get into that, but that is what I am, you know,
currently now. Not only a boy, but also a boyfriend.
So you guys made it official. You guys are together.
You are a couple. Tell me how you started then.
Because I know, nephew, you come home from work
sometimes. You don't know what to expect when
you get home, correct? I mean, it might be a
woman there waiting on you with her. Might be
two women. I mean, tell me how you guys got into
that. You know, the way you were that comfortable.
You're that comfortable, and you basically can
come on and don't know what the fuck is going
to happen in the next minute. I'm going to let
her explain kind of like the timeline and the
difference of it. But what I will say is one
thing that I know I recognized about her that
I think is a superpower is her commitment to
constant and never -ending improvement. wows
me of how willing she is to search her soul her
body her thinking her perspective everything
to find who she really is and authentically be
she's not kowtowing to me whatever but she's
always willing to get better so you know i'll
let her tell the logistics of it but i just say
it's because she's so committed to this lifestyle
but this also committed to just being man person
I think the first, you know, nine months to a
year, we just kind of dabbled a little bit when
we we'd like to go on trips. And so when we would
go on trips, we would just, you know, see if
there was a club there or something going on.
Kind of just stuck to for a good minute. And
then it wasn't until into like the second year
of, you know, all of this that. Let's see. No.
When did we go to Splash for the first time?
Oh, yeah. No, we went to Splash that first year
then. So Splash was our big event. So we kind
of got into lifestyle together in March. Dabble
did a few clubs and then went to Splash in November
of 2022. And that was Houston. Yes, Houston.
And I think before that, if we had gone to like,
there's like a local spot here. And we had just
mostly met women. And so I got chatting with
one of them. And then he had always said he,
you know, he does not like surprises of any kind,
even good surprises. The only thing that I'm
allowed to surprise him with is threesome with
another woman. So I got chatting with this girl
and I said, hey, wouldn't it be fun if we, you
know, could get you to come to the house? And
he doesn't know it, you know. So a couple of
weeks, we her and I plot in this thing and. You
know, it's Sunday night and she's on her way
and the whole day I'm just giggling about the
whole thing. And usually if people are coming
over, I'm like running around the house like
trying to clean everything, you know. And so
I just played it cool. There was, you know, a
little bit of mess in the house. You know, I
said, you know, why don't we cook a bunch of.
just cook some extra steaks tonight. We can have
leftovers for the week, make meal prepping easier.
You know, I was just wearing like messy bun and
a t -shirt and shorts, nothing crazy. And he
said, oh goodness, there's, there was like this
big one, one of those Goliath mosquitoes on the
wall, whatever those things are called. And he's
like, can you grab the fly swatter? And well,
right then the lady had texted me that she was
there. And then I kind of went down this little
hallway to the front door. Well, I opened up
the door to the closet where the fly swatter
was and she was at the door right then. So I
was able to sneak her in. And the miraculous
thing is, is that our dogs didn't bark at her
at all when she came in. They always do. So she
came down the hall with me and then I said, I
have the fly swatter and turned around and then
I was holding the fly swatter and then she was
on the other side of me. And then he was like,
God, it just happened. So that was our first
one. And I've probably done it at least a dozen
times now. And every single time I get them,
like I changed the algorithm. I said, you're
never going to figure it out. Like one time I
even flew a lady in for the weekend. Like that
was probably the ultimate. You know, and we were
I said we were going to call him from the hot
tub, like naked from the hot tub, you know, from
get him to come home from work. But then we decided
just wait. And we even got a video. It was really
fun. When he came in for that. So. I was just
going to ask nephew. I'm in the country. I was
going to ask nephew. What does that make you
feel like when you come home to like spontaneous
events like that? Yeah. You know what I mean?
Where she set up something like that and you
didn't know anything. And then, and I mean, you
know, you might pop the garage door and she's
standing there with a friend. Oh yeah. Well,
sometimes I'll pop the garage door and she's
just standing there in some lingerie. And luckily,
we don't think of anybody across the street from
us, so nobody else can see. Who cares? I wouldn't
even care. To answer your question. I wouldn't
even care. Yeah, I'm a little different on that
one, but that's a whole other question. Yeah,
no, no judgment or anything. But to answer your
question, yeah, I feel like a king. I feel like
I'm lucky as hell. I feel like whatever I got
to do to keep this going, I'm grateful to it
all the time because she's right. She keeps you
in the game. Man. She keeps you in the game.
She does. And one thing she honors, too, is I'm
serious. So for me, with the surprise thing,
obviously nobody likes negative surprise. You
want to be prepared for it. Well, some people
are like, I'd rather not know. I want to know.
But a positive surprise, I don't like because
I'm like, well, I could be knowing and looking
forward to that. I'd rather you tell me you're
going to give me a gift than surprise me about
it because I'm like, it gets me through the day.
I don't know if that makes sense, but it's like,
I'm like, yeah, this is coming up and she's going
to give me this for a gift. It's the buildup
that you like. You like the buildup. You like
the buildup. I prefer the spontaneity, so I,
you know. I'm the one that, like, would want
the damn garage door to open up, you know, two
standing there and, you know, hey, I might get
out right there. Don't even park the car good.
You're making a walk into the damn garage. That's
fine. Okay? That is fine. Neighbors can watch.
Neighbors can watch. I could tell you this. They
just don't see a narrow black ass for a long
age walking into the damn garage. Okay? That's
it. All right. Here again, I got all set there.
Keep doing that. no no so yeah i just i'm i'm
i'm i don't you know i'm lucky that's all i feel
i'm just blessed um and it's both of you are
both of you we are and in a before i saw it and
i saw another couple a long time ago and when
i saw it and when she was you know when she was
explaining to me what she was doing for her husband
that she's she i don't i want to get something
clear about it too. It's not just something that
I'm lucky for. I want to tell a lot of stag and
vixen couples, especially that when the way to
do this, I'm going to tell you what it does.
So when I saw it and when I first seen it, she
says, I like to control the situation. Secondly,
the women feel way more comfortable that the
wife is reaching out. Now I know this dude ain't
lying. Now I know this dude ain't, well, you
know, I'm in a lifestyle, but you know, my, my
wife, you know, she knows, but she doesn't want
to. get involved. I'm not saying that's not true.
There's a lot of relationships like that, but
it's ambiguous, you know? And then some dudes
are just straight up lying and that's their thing.
Like you say, no judgment on none of that. No,
we're not here to judge that. But what I do like
about it is that it does make the, the unicorn
or even, you know, this, the hot wife or whoever
feel way more comfortable. And she also gets
a chance to vet because you know how dudes are,
you know, you know, your dick is pulling you.
You know what I'm saying? And we try to be wise,
but women want the lifestyle for a reason. So
the cool thing about it is she gets to talk to
them. You know, she gets to see not if they're
crazy or anything like that, nothing judgmental,
but more of like, maybe we're not a good vibe
or maybe, you know, it's not a right, good timing
for one of the other. And so I like that. Plus,
um, I run, you know, I run several businesses.
We run several businesses. And I'd rather not
spend a lot of time trying to generate all of
these introductions and certain things because
women naturally want to take their time to make
sure that they're going to be safe with you,
that you're not going to be some knucklehead,
that you're not going to waste their time, right?
So when the wife reaches out, you know, you don't
have to be what we call her the slut secretary.
She is my slut secretary. You don't have to be
that. You don't have to be that. But just an
introduction. Hey, I'm cool with this. You know,
you seem to be a cool person. My husband's interested
in you. Something that simple goes a long way.
And so it's not just lucky. I think it helps
us avoid a lot of drama and it helps me avoid
a lot of wasting the time in somebody's inbox
that's not interested or, you know, whatever
I do, I can focus on business. You know, she
does that for me. And then after that, I have
decent conversations with them. Some women I
play with, they only want to see me at Splash.
These literally don't want to talk to me at all,
you know, before or after. But when we see each
other at Splash, we smash. You know what I mean?
And then some women I talk to. I was about to
say, all you got to do is go and perform, basically,
all right? Siren knows exactly what you like.
You know what I mean? I mean, she knows everything.
So it's like you don't have to say a damn word.
She is your mouthpiece, you know, and that's
something that. She's everything. I love that.
She knows everything. She knows everything, you
know. So like I said, all you got to do is perform.
That's it. That's all you got to do is perform.
It's almost, it is almost like, let me say this,
it's almost like when I lived in Germany and
for the two years, for the two years, Socrates,
I told you I was. you know, a male escort and
I had my female handler, you know, I didn't have
to, I didn't have to worry about anything. She
took care of business. Right. She did the talking,
you know what I mean? All I had to do was show
up and he again, you know, for the date, that
was it. That was it. So I'm going to do it. I
didn't mean to cut you off. No, the great thing
about it is I don't want it to sound transactional.
It actually greases the wheels better for more
friendship. So we have people that we talk to,
that she talks to more than I do. And, you know,
I might talk to that young lady like once or
twice a week or every other day. I talk to them
every day. And they have a good friendship. And
then there's some women where it's just like,
I'm terrible at managing my calendar. I told
her that myself, that I don't manage my calendar
well, but if I have a strong calendar, I'm doing
good. So she might just be the one to text her
and say, hey, we got Saturday night available.
You know, but I'm still having great relationships.
And, you know, as far as lifestyle conversations
and getting to know people, it's not a transactional
thing. But what it does do is says she's better
at reading women than I am because my dick's
reading you. You know, and then after, you know,
I don't know how men are. I'd rather get to know
you, but my dick's sometimes getting in the way
of judgment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's going to
be the first point of contact. All right, the
little hair is going to control the big hair.
That's going to be the first point of contact.
And then we go after that. I totally get it.
What advice would you give couples? I mean, you
guys have obviously, you know, you guys love
each other very, very much. Like I said, you
guys are ride or die. You are each other's everything.
What advice would you give couples who would,
say, aspire to be like you guys in this life?
You know, to be as open as you are, but yet as
loving as you are. How would they get to that
point? I mean, you know, just what would you
advise couples coming into the world? Just know
that you're signing up for a lot of hard work.
Know that you're signing up for a lot of hard
work. But you are also signing up for a lot of
fun and a lot of communication and just really
rewarding, enriching moments between you and
your spouse as you navigate maybe even like hard
things in the lifestyle or difficulties. Like
you just become so close. And we've just had
some of the sweetest times like, you know, where
maybe I had an insecure moment and he reassured
me and then. You know, he's just my rock. And
then it's kind of like I can be all over the
place sometimes, but he just anchors me down
and holds me. And so, but that's what you get.
Not forcefully. She's talking to you emotionally.
Well, I mean, unless I ask for that, that's for
a different party. So, you know. That's where
you want it. That's what the fans want to hear.
He's just my, yeah, he's just my safe place.
And so. You know, but that was a lot of hard
work to get to that point. Like, I mean, especially
when we first moved in together, like I have
my kids all that we were going to kill each other.
You know, there's just but you just can't give
up because now it's just like, you know, oh,
you're leaving. I'm packing my bag. I'm coming
with you. You know, we're going to see who can
be more stubborn, but just roll with it. Just
like know that, like, even if today's hard. Tomorrow's
going to be better if you're committed to constant
and never ending improvement, which we are. So
what else do you want to say, babe? Yeah, so
I love that answer. I've been wanting to say
this for a while. It's been my heart. Before
I answer this, I want to give a little caveat
because it's going to be connected to my answer.
I always talk about how I have, you know, Siren
talked about me being a bull before. I was a
bull straight up because of Michael C. Keys and
Inklets podcast. Local. And I talk about me mentoring
under Michael C. and Mr. Mocha and you. But I
want to say this. I mean this sincerely. If I
have any success or show a couple or a woman
a good time, some of it's my experience before,
some of it's my research, but a lot of it is
because of these mentors I have. But I do want
to say this too. If I fuck up, if I do some stupid
shit, That's all me. That's none of them. These
guys are wise beyond their years. And I am nowhere
even near as wise and as dumb, dope. And not
that they don't make mistakes, but these guys
are so dope. And I just want to say that because
I've talked a lot about on several podcasts on
how he's my mentor to me. But I haven't done
anything crazy yet. But if I end up making a
huge mistake, it's because of my ignorant ass.
But the answer to your question is that. I say
educate yourself and get a mentor. That's what
the brotherhood is about. It's about iron sharpening
iron. I educate myself. You don't have to research
as much as I do. I go crazy. I get research papers
automatically sent to me that are on college
papers on the lifestyle on all levels. I read
several books on the subject all the time. I
do. anthropological research on this stuff. I'm
ridiculous. You don't have to be like me. But
talk to some people. Sit down with a couple that
you see. First, I would say find a couple, even
if it's online, that are living the lifestyle
the way you want to see it. If you want to do
it the way we do, it is one of the toughest dynamics,
in my opinion. But very rewarding. I wouldn't
say it's more rewarding than any other dynamic.
We both have to deal with each other playing.
And both of us are fucking horny ass motherfuckers.
Straight up. And, you know, women are always
going to get more than men. And I don't want
the numbers she has because I want to work a
little more. But I would say, you know, three
things. One, be your authentic self. That's the
biggest thing that all of my mentors and who
have always taught me. Be your authentic self
no matter what that is. You know. Number two.
You know, find someone that you can see that
if you're a bull, find a bull. If you're a stag
and vixen couple, if you're a cuckoo couple,
whatever your dynamic is, find somebody doing
it successful. And hear what they have to say.
Don't take what they say as law. Use your own
common sense. And then I would say educate yourself.
At least a movie every now and again. If you
don't listen to a podcast. talk to chat gbt you
can literally just push a button and have a conversation
with it or you know listen you know any of the
podcasts that you know we promote or other ones
or go go somewhere do something to educate yourself
because success leaves clues and you don't have
to figure this thing out and when i got in um
i got in fearful i got in like what if a husband
that you know, the wife was lying about comes
in and shoots us all, you know, because I'm crazy
like that and not come from crazy situations
like that. And so I came at it like I want to
see what everything can go wrong. And then I
want to see if there's an answer to it. And not
that there is an answer to that. Sometimes you
just have to take the risk and take. But I say
educate yourself as much as you can so you can
avoid the common pitfalls. Like if you're not
everybody, every lifestyle podcast book. you
know, mentor says communication, not one. There's
not one that doesn't say that. So why get into
a relationship? Let's say you're a staggered,
fixing couple and you guys don't have strong
communication. Why, why learn that by trial and
error? Everybody I see either has a lot of traumatic
experiences or they get out, took a lot of the
lifestyles, not for them, you know, educate yourself
so that you can learn some of the basics. That's
what got me here. You know, I just kept. I mean,
interviewing people, talking to people, reading
books, everything I can get my hands on. Well,
I tell you what, those are two great answers.
And coming from the male's point of view, Socrates,
you hit it on the head. I would tell somebody
just starting out, even as a couple, find it
for the male, for the husband. Find that bull.
Find that bull who will sit down. And we'll be
as honest with you about this life as possible.
I've been in this game for 30 years, 30 plus
years, as you know. But yeah, I started at 26,
you know, so 30 plus years. But when I started,
I didn't have a male, you know, mentor to sit
down with. My mentor was actually a female that
got me into everything. So I went through trial
and error, like you said. So I know what it's
like to have fuck -ups in the lifestyle and to
learn and, what's my favorite word, evolve as
you get older. And that is what's happened to
me. So now I'm in a whole other situation now.
Although I still love to play, but I have evolved
so much now. You know, it's pathetic. But here
again, I won't get into all that. But those are
two great answers. I mean, two great answers.
And ladies and gentlemen, if you are listening
right now to the ones who are listening, whether
you are a bull, whether you are a unicorn, a
cuckoldress, hot wife, whatever, this is what
I call a true couple, a true, a real couple in
the hot wife lifestyle. To be honest, you guys
have surpassed all the questions that I had tonight.
I mean, is there anything that you want to say
to the audience here in commentary before we
close it off for the night? Yeah, well, I want
to say thanks for all the accolades, but don't
get it twisted. We make mistakes. And we have
knock -down, drag -out arguments. And we curse
each other out sometimes. Not me. Oh, yeah, my
bad. I do. you know and but you know so i'm not
here to to paint a rosy picture but what i am
saying is this is my ride or die and this is
the woman i can you know i admire because she
takes accountability for herself she will apologize
and say i'm sorry my bad daddy i was you know
this or that and she's made strides and so many
other areas besides the lifestyle that i'm just
in awe of this woman and so i would just say
Thank you so much for doing this interview, brother.
And thank you for being part of our council,
my council, you know, of wise men that I have
in my life that I can turn to for wisdom. You
know I've turned to you for so many things and
I continue to. And that's, you know, I'm living
this. I'm here partially because I got a squad
of brothers that hold me accountable. And I call
me on my shit. You know, sometimes they say,
you know, what you doing is bitch ass right now.
You know, and or also they've said, dude, you
part of the squad. Raise your chin up, man. Let's
go. You got this, brother. You, you, you know.
And so, you know, that I want to thank you for
being part of that. And I want to thank my lovely
wife for giving me a life that I dreamed of that
people said wasn't possible. Man, I'm still saying
something after that. I was just thinking of
just what a blessing it is to just, you know,
and so grateful that every day I get to walk,
wake up next to a hot black man. And I'm very,
very fortunate for that. You know, the first
thing I see every morning when I open my eyes
is him. And then we just... we just have such
a good routine with each other. We get up, we
pray every morning with each other, we have coffee
in the hot tub and just go through our day. And
I'm just fortunate to be with somebody who is
always wanting to grow, learn, and learn to love
me better and to just perfect his craft, whether
that's being the best husband, being the best
businessman, or being the best bull. He's always
just working towards, you know, being being better
so um i'm just i'm just blown away by him every
day and i think he's so amazing and and it's
i just love all of you guys that are in the squad
as we say um just to be surrounded by a bunch
of true kings um is really really a great experience
so thank you so much for having us on that was
absolutely beautiful and ladies and gentlemen
this will conclude Another broadcast, another
episode of the Bull Brotherhood. Again, I'm your
host, D. Morgan, a .k .a. the Sigma Male, the
Long Wolf. And again, we have been talking to
my brother, Socrates, and his lovely queen, Siren.
And until we do another podcast and meet again,
as always, to my brothers and bulls out there,
good night. And to my ladies and high wives.
Good morning. I'll see you again. Good night.
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