WEBVTT 00:00:17.170 --> 00:00:19.769 This brotherhood's for men whose stories need 00:00:19.769 --> 00:00:23.250 to be told. This brotherhood's for men whose 00:00:23.250 --> 00:00:29.679 stories need to be told. This is who we are, 00:00:29.820 --> 00:00:33.840 bold, confident, seductive, dominant, and classy. 00:00:34.140 --> 00:00:37.960 We stand tall, never fall, Bull Brotherhood, 00:00:38.039 --> 00:00:46.880 luxury untold. Ladies and gentlemen, good evening 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:49.240 and welcome to another episode of the Bull Brotherhood 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:52.179 podcast. I'm your host for the evening, Mr. Brian 00:00:52.179 --> 00:00:55.200 Morgan, a .k .a. the Sigma Male, the introverted 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:58.469 alpha, the lone wolf. one half of the Brotherhood, 00:00:58.509 --> 00:01:00.789 and tonight I have the pleasure of being able 00:01:00.789 --> 00:01:03.969 to interview my podcast partner in crime, the 00:01:03.969 --> 00:01:06.750 one and only Socrates, along with his lovely 00:01:06.750 --> 00:01:11.150 wife, essential siren, in my southern drawl. 00:01:11.170 --> 00:01:14.090 How y 'all doing tonight? We're doing good. Thanks 00:01:14.090 --> 00:01:16.750 for having us, Brian. What's good, y 'all? Thanks 00:01:16.750 --> 00:01:19.349 for having me, brother. All right. Wonderful, 00:01:19.689 --> 00:01:21.430 wonderful. Ladies and gentlemen, let me start 00:01:21.430 --> 00:01:24.290 off by saying this is truly an honor to interview 00:01:24.290 --> 00:01:26.650 these two tonight. because these two have really 00:01:26.650 --> 00:01:30.469 become family in a short period of time. And 00:01:30.469 --> 00:01:35.269 if you don't know Socrates and Siren, tonight 00:01:35.269 --> 00:01:37.829 that's what I want to really introduce the couple. 00:01:38.549 --> 00:01:42.349 Not just Socrates, the bull, and Siren, the... 00:01:42.349 --> 00:01:45.150 What do I call you, Siren, when you're out there 00:01:45.150 --> 00:01:46.969 doing your thing? Are you considered a unicorn 00:01:46.969 --> 00:01:51.950 or a cockatrice or what? I think that's that 00:01:51.950 --> 00:01:56.579 way for us. Yeah, Vixen. Just Hot Wife. Vixen, 00:01:56.620 --> 00:01:59.099 okay, I'll stay. I'll stay. We're here again. 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:02.299 Let's get started with the interview. How did 00:02:02.299 --> 00:02:05.200 you two meet, and were you already in the lifestyle 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:08.319 when you met? And if not, what got you into the 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:13.340 lifestyle? So we met the good old -fashioned 00:02:13.340 --> 00:02:19.819 2021 way, and that is on the Bumble app for dating. 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:26.909 Okay. Yeah. And I love efficiency. So they have 00:02:26.909 --> 00:02:29.909 this thing that you can buy a feature for the 00:02:29.909 --> 00:02:34.090 women for 10 extra dollars a month. You can see 00:02:34.090 --> 00:02:36.250 who swiped on you. So it's more efficient. So 00:02:36.250 --> 00:02:40.229 you can go and just not spend all day swiping. 00:02:40.250 --> 00:02:43.530 Right. So I saw the variety of men that had swiped 00:02:43.530 --> 00:02:47.530 on me. So I just narrowed it down. And Socrates 00:02:47.530 --> 00:02:51.509 here had he wasn't that good looking. In his 00:02:51.509 --> 00:02:53.889 pictures, like, to be honest. But he filled out 00:02:53.889 --> 00:02:57.669 his entire profile completely, and that just 00:02:57.669 --> 00:03:01.310 got me. So we started chatting, and I was getting 00:03:01.310 --> 00:03:04.030 ready to go on a trip. So I went on my trip, 00:03:04.030 --> 00:03:06.590 and I said, hey, I'll be back next Tuesday. If 00:03:06.590 --> 00:03:11.169 you want to talk to me then, you know, hit me 00:03:11.169 --> 00:03:14.629 up. So Tuesday rolled around right on time. He 00:03:14.629 --> 00:03:16.669 texted me, said, you want to go for a drink? 00:03:17.470 --> 00:03:19.810 I said, sure. I think it was like the next night 00:03:19.810 --> 00:03:21.590 we were going to go. Yeah, it was the next night. 00:03:22.750 --> 00:03:28.349 And yeah, December 1st, 2021. And we went on 00:03:28.349 --> 00:03:30.009 our first date. I almost didn't go because I 00:03:30.009 --> 00:03:33.229 was tired and I didn't really take the time to 00:03:33.229 --> 00:03:38.319 get ready. very well um and i told my daughter 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:41.300 i said oh do i look cute but not too cute because 00:03:41.300 --> 00:03:43.120 if i'm too cute they're gonna fall in love with 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:44.500 me and i'm gonna kiss and then i'm gonna break 00:03:44.500 --> 00:03:46.780 his heart and then it's all my fault with all 00:03:46.780 --> 00:03:49.879 the other guys you know and despite you know 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:52.520 but but if a guy asked me out i always you know 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:55.419 i i would always go you know because i know that 00:03:55.419 --> 00:03:57.879 in this day and age it's like a lot of men don't 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:01.020 even take the initiative anymore so um anyway 00:04:01.020 --> 00:04:04.219 so i met um up with socrates at the the spot 00:04:04.219 --> 00:04:07.139 and I was there just a second or two before him 00:04:07.139 --> 00:04:10.000 and he tapped me on the shoulder and he said 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:13.180 my name and then I looked up and I didn't even 00:04:13.180 --> 00:04:18.879 say hello I said you're hot and to this day we 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:21.399 joke he reverse catfished me because when he 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:25.459 showed up in person I was like um who's that 00:04:25.459 --> 00:04:31.779 in the pictures because you are hot And he was 00:04:31.779 --> 00:04:36.500 a bull in the lifestyle when we met. And then 00:04:36.500 --> 00:04:40.860 about a couple weeks after we met, I walked into 00:04:40.860 --> 00:04:43.860 his room in the daylight for the first time and 00:04:43.860 --> 00:04:47.439 saw these hotel key cards lined up on his windowsill. 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:51.839 And I said, oh, what are these? And he was like, 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:53.879 you don't want to know. And I said, oh, yes, 00:04:53.980 --> 00:04:56.740 I do. I know there's some good stories right 00:04:56.740 --> 00:04:59.939 here. And he asked me if I knew what being a 00:04:59.939 --> 00:05:02.139 bull is. And I said, oh, yes, when like a couple 00:05:02.139 --> 00:05:06.939 will get you to come and you'll fuck the wife 00:05:06.939 --> 00:05:09.680 while the husband watches. And he's like, oh, 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:11.360 how'd you learn about that? And I was like, probably 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:15.500 porn. Like, I don't know. But I said, I, you 00:05:15.500 --> 00:05:18.379 know, no stranger, like I've had at least a dozen 00:05:18.379 --> 00:05:20.759 couples ask me to join them over the years, but 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:23.240 I just never did because I was worried about 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:26.240 the quality and then having to see these people 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:30.259 again. So I never did. with a chicken. So then 00:05:30.259 --> 00:05:33.120 Socrates, you know, just asked me if I was interested 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:37.180 in knowing more about the lifestyle. And, you 00:05:37.180 --> 00:05:39.100 know, I had a lot of emotions about it. I was 00:05:39.100 --> 00:05:41.699 like, well, is it just like you get your cake 00:05:41.699 --> 00:05:44.399 and eat it too? And, you know, all these type 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:46.779 of things. But I actually was in the middle of 00:05:46.779 --> 00:05:48.860 reading The Ethical Slut for the second time 00:05:48.860 --> 00:05:51.779 when I met him. So I kind of just picked that 00:05:51.779 --> 00:05:54.699 up and finished it off. And then he gave me some 00:05:54.699 --> 00:05:58.220 podcasts to go to. um some different websites 00:05:58.220 --> 00:06:00.439 but and man it took me about four months and 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:02.339 I was like man I was just wrestling with it and 00:06:02.339 --> 00:06:05.259 then one day I said I just need to talk to a 00:06:05.259 --> 00:06:07.819 woman about this like I need to talk to another 00:06:07.819 --> 00:06:10.480 woman in the lifestyle and I had a friend online 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:15.560 who was in some different groups um and some 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:17.680 of the stories and that she would tell in there 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:20.759 were pretty crazy so I was like huh this seems 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:24.649 like maybe what she's doing And so I I hit her 00:06:24.649 --> 00:06:27.769 up and I asked questions back and forth for probably 00:06:27.769 --> 00:06:30.889 a period of a day. And she just explained everything, 00:06:31.110 --> 00:06:32.949 basically said the same thing, but just from 00:06:32.949 --> 00:06:34.870 a woman's perspective, you know, but she backed 00:06:34.870 --> 00:06:36.769 up everything that he said. So then I knew I 00:06:36.769 --> 00:06:39.029 was like, OK, this is like real. This is the 00:06:39.029 --> 00:06:41.089 truth. You know, it's like another person to 00:06:41.089 --> 00:06:44.509 verify. And just hearing it first perspective, 00:06:44.670 --> 00:06:47.610 then I was like, oh, I'm like, I'm in. Let's 00:06:47.610 --> 00:06:50.569 do this. That's the hell of a damn intro right 00:06:50.569 --> 00:06:55.230 there. Every intro. No, seriously, that's what 00:06:55.230 --> 00:06:57.370 I want to hear. That's what I believe, you know, 00:06:57.389 --> 00:07:00.110 fans and listeners want to hear. They want to 00:07:00.110 --> 00:07:03.350 hear how people have really, you know, and truly 00:07:03.350 --> 00:07:07.410 gotten into this world. As you know, I very seldom 00:07:07.410 --> 00:07:10.250 say lifestyle. So, I mean, I live this life 24 00:07:10.250 --> 00:07:13.730 -7, as you guys know. So, I want to know, especially 00:07:13.730 --> 00:07:16.750 from family, how did you guys get into this, 00:07:16.829 --> 00:07:20.269 you know? So, there are a few. Tell me. First 00:07:20.269 --> 00:07:22.899 of all, when you first... When you first saw, 00:07:22.980 --> 00:07:25.779 when you first saw Siren, tell me, tell me, I 00:07:25.779 --> 00:07:28.699 mean, tell me. Did she pass the test at first 00:07:28.699 --> 00:07:32.300 glance? Or were you like, oh, well, you know, 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:36.560 fine. But, you know what I'm saying? I got to 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:38.500 get to know her better. Tell me. Well, I'm going 00:07:38.500 --> 00:07:41.079 to tell the fans. Exactly what went through your 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:45.800 mind. Nah, like, it was different for me. When 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:49.100 I saw her, I was like, oh, she hits. every one 00:07:49.100 --> 00:07:53.000 of my qualifications so i hit her up and you 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:55.319 know one thing i liked about bumble is you know 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:58.399 if you're interested in me you have to reach 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:01.740 out so it's it's really clear i'm not bothering 00:08:01.740 --> 00:08:04.939 women or like women that are just bored on there 00:08:04.939 --> 00:08:07.220 and having fun you know you're serious about 00:08:07.220 --> 00:08:10.699 it so at least that's what i felt like so yeah 00:08:10.699 --> 00:08:12.899 when i saw her and she was like oh i'm going 00:08:12.899 --> 00:08:16.089 out of town You know, follow up on Tuesday or 00:08:16.089 --> 00:08:18.110 whatever day it was. I was like, bet. I put it 00:08:18.110 --> 00:08:21.709 in my calendar. I gave myself reminders. I was 00:08:21.709 --> 00:08:25.709 like, I'm all over this. You know, and so the 00:08:25.709 --> 00:08:28.050 looks were there. And if I'm honest, I wasn't 00:08:28.050 --> 00:08:31.889 looking for a serious relationship, but she qualified 00:08:31.889 --> 00:08:33.950 for everything physically that I wanted. And 00:08:33.950 --> 00:08:35.889 I loved her energy in the conversation we had. 00:08:36.009 --> 00:08:41.610 So, yeah. When I saw her, I was like, oh, and 00:08:41.610 --> 00:08:47.090 because she was. facing away from me. So she 00:08:47.090 --> 00:08:51.149 was Eleanor, and she has very long, curly hair, 00:08:51.230 --> 00:08:54.330 and I love that. And she had a big moody, I don't 00:08:54.330 --> 00:08:58.549 mind saying, curvy, you know, curly hair, dressed 00:08:58.549 --> 00:09:00.509 well, and she was chill. Like she said, she wasn't, 00:09:00.509 --> 00:09:02.769 but she was natural. I liked the fact that she 00:09:02.769 --> 00:09:04.990 didn't put a whole lot of time putting a lot 00:09:04.990 --> 00:09:06.509 of makeup on. She looks good with makeup, but 00:09:06.509 --> 00:09:09.350 she looks beautiful without it. So, you know, 00:09:09.350 --> 00:09:12.129 but what got me was the conversation. You know, 00:09:12.129 --> 00:09:15.950 she's intelligent. business owner you know and 00:09:15.950 --> 00:09:21.350 um fun and so that you know it got me the first 00:09:21.350 --> 00:09:24.549 night you just answered the next question because 00:09:24.549 --> 00:09:26.649 i was going to ask you being called socrates 00:09:26.649 --> 00:09:29.549 what was the conversation like but you just i 00:09:29.549 --> 00:09:32.049 can i can just imagine from from the way she 00:09:32.049 --> 00:09:34.590 answered from the way you answered siren and 00:09:34.590 --> 00:09:37.850 then the way socrates is knowing him now i can 00:09:37.850 --> 00:09:40.169 imagine that you guys were really really it was 00:09:40.169 --> 00:09:43.350 a very very engaging conversation Very engaging. 00:09:44.809 --> 00:09:47.570 So tell me, I mean, when you when you found out 00:09:47.570 --> 00:09:50.450 and I'm speaking to Siren, when you found out, 00:09:50.470 --> 00:09:52.610 of course, he was a bull and, you know, you got 00:09:52.610 --> 00:09:55.610 the verification from your girlfriend that what 00:09:55.610 --> 00:09:57.370 he was saying was not bullshit and everything. 00:09:57.509 --> 00:10:01.909 He was a real bull. How did you I mean, how did 00:10:01.909 --> 00:10:04.409 you guys start exploring? Did you just like go 00:10:04.409 --> 00:10:08.309 right into the lifestyle or did you like, you 00:10:08.309 --> 00:10:10.370 know, check it out thoroughly before you went 00:10:10.370 --> 00:10:13.809 to an event? or how you guys go into it oh hell 00:10:13.809 --> 00:10:16.929 no i just get enough information to like get 00:10:16.929 --> 00:10:19.029 comfortable and then i just like dive headfirst 00:10:19.029 --> 00:10:22.350 into things and my husband's this um because 00:10:22.350 --> 00:10:26.549 i'm like gosh he researches like way more than 00:10:26.549 --> 00:10:28.690 i do and i'm like more of a feeling person so 00:10:28.690 --> 00:10:31.929 i just get comfortable with it and yeah like 00:10:31.929 --> 00:10:34.929 i know enough about it you know sometimes i get 00:10:34.929 --> 00:10:39.840 a little nervous but um So I think that he had 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:43.600 a friend up in the Seattle area that was in the 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.399 lifestyle. And so they had suggested Club Sapphire 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:51.539 there right off the side. And so that was a club 00:10:51.539 --> 00:10:55.379 that's a reasonable distance from us in one direction 00:10:55.379 --> 00:11:01.620 or another, I won't say. But so we I said, let's 00:11:01.620 --> 00:11:03.360 go. And I like booked us a ticket in this whole 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:06.570 thing. And then he made some stupid. plan to 00:11:06.570 --> 00:11:10.450 go look at some business thing and like ruin 00:11:10.450 --> 00:11:12.750 the weekend and so I was pissed at him I went 00:11:12.750 --> 00:11:16.129 anyways I didn't go to the club though I just 00:11:16.129 --> 00:11:18.429 went to the area and you know just to see some 00:11:18.429 --> 00:11:21.090 friends and hang out and chill and then I drove 00:11:21.090 --> 00:11:24.289 by the club like on like one of the nights to 00:11:24.289 --> 00:11:26.190 just kind of see what the vibe was but it just 00:11:26.190 --> 00:11:30.149 looked like a regular office place um and then 00:11:30.149 --> 00:11:32.230 I think it was another month because actually 00:11:32.230 --> 00:11:35.309 we're actually coming up on our third year anniversary 00:11:35.309 --> 00:11:39.350 of being in the lifestyle together um and so 00:11:39.350 --> 00:11:41.850 we did eventually make it back to the club and 00:11:41.850 --> 00:11:45.909 I was just sweating bullets and we talked a whole 00:11:45.909 --> 00:11:48.809 lot about it like we we made like a million and 00:11:48.809 --> 00:11:52.009 a half rules it felt like um and he's just like 00:11:52.009 --> 00:11:53.590 remember you don't have to do anything that you 00:11:53.590 --> 00:11:55.690 don't want to do he's like we can go in there 00:11:55.690 --> 00:11:57.570 whenever you want to leave we can leave we can 00:11:57.570 --> 00:11:59.610 do stuff we can not do stuff you know he just 00:11:59.610 --> 00:12:02.789 gave me lots of options and uh they may feel 00:12:02.789 --> 00:12:05.190 a lot better but I was still like sweating bullets 00:12:05.190 --> 00:12:07.389 and we go in the little room and watch the rules 00:12:07.389 --> 00:12:11.470 and all that and then you know go out there um 00:12:11.470 --> 00:12:14.230 when this just looks like kind of like a regular 00:12:14.230 --> 00:12:17.029 bar like lots of places to sit a dance floor 00:12:17.029 --> 00:12:20.289 you know and i was like oh okay it's like and 00:12:20.289 --> 00:12:22.889 i also watched um all the youtube videos on the 00:12:22.889 --> 00:12:26.639 club So that I can kind of like get the club 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:28.860 tour, like see what was going to happen. You 00:12:28.860 --> 00:12:30.600 know, obviously. So you did do some research. 00:12:30.980 --> 00:12:33.019 I did do a little swan set club specifically. 00:12:33.100 --> 00:12:35.299 But then I was like, I don't know what to expect. 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:38.799 But right when we walked in, I saw a handsome 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:41.679 brother from across the room. So I was like, 00:12:41.700 --> 00:12:43.700 oh, well, there's at least one here tonight. 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:46.919 So we'll see how it goes. And then, you know, 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:48.860 we just danced. And then eventually I just kind 00:12:48.860 --> 00:12:50.740 of got antsy. And I was like, let's just go in 00:12:50.740 --> 00:12:53.419 the back. You know, we'll just start out with 00:12:53.419 --> 00:12:57.980 each other and like see what happens. So we plopped 00:12:57.980 --> 00:13:00.980 down on a bed next to another couple and they 00:13:00.980 --> 00:13:02.500 were just in their own little world. And I was 00:13:02.500 --> 00:13:05.659 just like so amazed at how focused they were 00:13:05.659 --> 00:13:07.960 on each other with us like doing stuff right 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:10.500 next to them. And I just thought he's really 00:13:10.500 --> 00:13:13.139 cool. And I loved all the sounds you can hear 00:13:13.139 --> 00:13:15.840 of everyone in the room because I love that. 00:13:15.980 --> 00:13:19.690 And so then after we were. uh done there then 00:13:19.690 --> 00:13:22.730 we kind of moved on and then we saw uh the guy 00:13:22.730 --> 00:13:25.289 I had seen earlier and then just kind of progressed 00:13:25.289 --> 00:13:28.070 from there and I remember just being so like 00:13:28.070 --> 00:13:31.789 um can I ask him you know asking Socrates can 00:13:31.789 --> 00:13:35.230 I ask him that if I can touch his arms and he's 00:13:35.230 --> 00:13:37.070 like yes you can ask him if you can touch his 00:13:37.070 --> 00:13:39.169 arm and then I was like okay do you like can 00:13:39.169 --> 00:13:41.009 I touch your arms you know I was just like consent 00:13:41.009 --> 00:13:45.070 consent consent like every single step um you 00:13:45.070 --> 00:13:47.159 know and now you kind of just When we play with 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:48.779 people, it's like, oh, you just consent to play 00:13:48.779 --> 00:13:50.320 and then you just go, right? But I was like, 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:52.460 okay, can I touch your leg now? Okay, can I touch 00:13:52.460 --> 00:13:54.700 your dick? Like every step of the way, I was 00:13:54.700 --> 00:13:58.940 asking permission of Socrates and the guy. So 00:13:58.940 --> 00:14:01.220 we ended up playing with like two couples, I 00:14:01.220 --> 00:14:04.279 think, and then a little group too. So it was 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:07.399 a wild night. In other words, I introduced her 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:09.039 to it and I've been holding on for dear life 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:13.039 ever since. Nephew, I'm going to tell you right 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:15.830 now, brother. And when I hear her speak. She 00:14:15.830 --> 00:14:20.610 definitely has the right name, Siren. She sounds 00:14:20.610 --> 00:14:24.409 dangerous, alluring, and seductive. You know 00:14:24.409 --> 00:14:28.450 what I mean? She sounds what her name suggests, 00:14:28.610 --> 00:14:32.950 Siren. So, nephew, you really started out that 00:14:32.950 --> 00:14:38.610 night as, I'm not going to say a stag, but you 00:14:38.610 --> 00:14:42.529 were kind of like I am with my baby girl. You 00:14:42.529 --> 00:14:47.269 know, if we go to an event. She has fair game 00:14:47.269 --> 00:14:50.610 to play, you know, as much as she wants to. But 00:14:50.610 --> 00:14:54.110 at the same time, she knows to respect. You know, 00:14:54.129 --> 00:14:56.370 she asked you, you know, was this good, that 00:14:56.370 --> 00:14:59.169 good? And you said, hey, you know, do your thing. 00:14:59.409 --> 00:15:01.309 So, I mean, how did that make you feel that night? 00:15:01.389 --> 00:15:04.669 Did you kind of like, after the evening was over, 00:15:04.850 --> 00:15:06.769 did you kind of go home and say to yourself, 00:15:06.909 --> 00:15:10.450 hmm, this might be somebody that I need to hang 00:15:10.450 --> 00:15:13.570 on to? Or did you just think, okay, that's, we 00:15:13.570 --> 00:15:15.940 had a good time. Maybe I'll see you again. Maybe 00:15:15.940 --> 00:15:18.139 I don't, et cetera, et cetera. How'd you feel 00:15:18.139 --> 00:15:21.600 after that? Well, I knew she was it because one 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:23.720 of the things is she didn't say is I actually 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:26.500 stepped out of the lifestyle for a couple of 00:15:26.500 --> 00:15:28.980 months until she felt comfortable and I was willing 00:15:28.980 --> 00:15:32.580 to do it for a long time. But that night said, 00:15:32.700 --> 00:15:35.320 I said to myself, oh my goodness, this woman 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:38.399 is amazing. And she really took to the lifestyle, 00:15:38.539 --> 00:15:42.669 you know? So it was like. Wait a minute. I remember 00:15:42.669 --> 00:15:45.830 a time talking to one of my friends saying, this 00:15:45.830 --> 00:15:47.450 is the kind of woman I want. And they were like, 00:15:47.610 --> 00:15:50.429 those women don't exist. That's what my friend 00:15:50.429 --> 00:15:53.750 told me one time. I was like, I'm going to look 00:15:53.750 --> 00:15:56.149 for it. And it's worth finding if it's, you know. 00:15:56.570 --> 00:15:59.409 And that night I was like, yeah, I found it. 00:15:59.450 --> 00:16:02.870 I found that unicorn, like literally just, who 00:16:02.870 --> 00:16:06.870 is just as slutty as she is loyal and just as 00:16:06.870 --> 00:16:10.960 nasty as she is smart, just as gritty. As she 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:14.299 is, like, ready to fuck. Down to fuck. You know 00:16:14.299 --> 00:16:16.899 what I mean? So, that's what I wanted. And I 00:16:16.899 --> 00:16:21.279 realized that night, that's what I got. Again, 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:26.340 sounds like you have what our brother Mr. Mocha 00:16:26.340 --> 00:16:30.659 has. You know, you found that. You found that 00:16:30.659 --> 00:16:36.679 ride or die lady who has embraced this life just 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:40.799 like you have. And she wants not only to be She 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:43.179 wants the pleasure herself, but she wants you 00:16:43.179 --> 00:16:45.980 to be pleased and you guys want to be pleased 00:16:45.980 --> 00:16:48.700 as that one team. You know, like I said, I ate 00:16:48.700 --> 00:16:51.559 that ride or die. I love y 'all, but I hate you 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:54.139 in the same damn breath. Because I don't, because 00:16:54.139 --> 00:16:56.879 I don't, because I don't have that. And I've 00:16:56.879 --> 00:17:00.340 told you that more times than once, that I wish, 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:04.519 I wish I could find a siren at a Mrs. Mocha. 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:07.839 I wish I could, you know, but hey, that's another. 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:12.319 She's out there. I tell you what, sweetie, at 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:15.380 my age, I don't know. I swear. I really don't 00:17:15.380 --> 00:17:17.539 know. My mom, I'm going to give you some advice. 00:17:18.099 --> 00:17:22.680 My mom says the heart is never too old to love. 00:17:24.059 --> 00:17:28.019 Okay? That's true. You're still grieving. There's 00:17:28.019 --> 00:17:30.200 still time. That is true. I am still grieving. 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:34.460 I love you. I am still grieving. But I tell you 00:17:34.460 --> 00:17:36.180 what, though, she's going to be a bad motherfucker 00:17:36.180 --> 00:17:39.680 to fuck with. She's going to have to be up bad, 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:41.779 motherfucker. She's out there cuffing and... 00:17:41.779 --> 00:17:47.980 Let's get back to the swing of things, all right? 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:50.599 People don't want to hear me cry like that on 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:55.700 the airwaves. But they're okay. So you guys, 00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:59.920 here again, you guys kind of knew. You knew that 00:17:59.920 --> 00:18:02.259 you wanted to be together, correct? Yeah. You 00:18:02.259 --> 00:18:05.140 knew that. She figured it out a little sooner 00:18:05.140 --> 00:18:07.200 than I did, but yeah, it was quick. But he said 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:14.359 I left first. I left it 11 days. 11 days. Yeah. 00:18:15.259 --> 00:18:18.119 It was kind of acted out on purpose, I think. 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:23.819 He was dropping me off at a party and he took 00:18:23.819 --> 00:18:25.859 me inside. Hello to everybody. He said, I'll 00:18:25.859 --> 00:18:27.640 be back in a little bit. And then on the way 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:29.700 out, he gave me a big kiss and said, love you 00:18:29.700 --> 00:18:38.480 and left. But the party just happened. And I 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:40.579 can imagine everybody there like looking like, 00:18:40.700 --> 00:18:43.279 what the fuck just happened? Yelling. He dropped 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:46.740 the love of his life off, you know, and is comfortable, 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:50.680 is comfortable to leave her there. Knowing that, 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:52.319 you know, you're going to go in there and do 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:54.660 your thing. And hey, baby, I'll be back at this 00:18:54.660 --> 00:18:57.220 time to pick you up. You tell me all about it. 00:18:57.240 --> 00:18:58.980 And we'll probably go home and tear each other's 00:18:58.980 --> 00:19:00.960 brains out, you know, for the rest of the night. 00:19:01.309 --> 00:19:03.470 That's, that's a beautiful, that's, that's marriage. 00:19:03.670 --> 00:19:06.269 That should be in the fucking dictionary. I tell 00:19:06.269 --> 00:19:15.890 you. It doesn't matter if it's a few hours or 00:19:15.890 --> 00:19:17.750 a few minutes. Okay. And that's good that he 00:19:17.750 --> 00:19:21.809 missed you. It is good. All right. There is nothing 00:19:21.809 --> 00:19:24.150 wrong with being a bull on a boyfriend. Okay. 00:19:24.210 --> 00:19:26.009 That's a whole nother damn topic though. I won't 00:19:26.009 --> 00:19:28.490 get into that, but that is what I am, you know, 00:19:28.490 --> 00:19:31.619 currently now. Not only a boy, but also a boyfriend. 00:19:33.380 --> 00:19:36.759 So you guys made it official. You guys are together. 00:19:36.859 --> 00:19:40.019 You are a couple. Tell me how you started then. 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:43.680 Because I know, nephew, you come home from work 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:45.660 sometimes. You don't know what to expect when 00:19:45.660 --> 00:19:47.700 you get home, correct? I mean, it might be a 00:19:47.700 --> 00:19:50.839 woman there waiting on you with her. Might be 00:19:50.839 --> 00:19:54.559 two women. I mean, tell me how you guys got into 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:56.680 that. You know, the way you were that comfortable. 00:19:57.289 --> 00:19:59.930 You're that comfortable, and you basically can 00:19:59.930 --> 00:20:01.809 come on and don't know what the fuck is going 00:20:01.809 --> 00:20:07.109 to happen in the next minute. I'm going to let 00:20:07.109 --> 00:20:09.690 her explain kind of like the timeline and the 00:20:09.690 --> 00:20:12.809 difference of it. But what I will say is one 00:20:12.809 --> 00:20:16.009 thing that I know I recognized about her that 00:20:16.009 --> 00:20:20.549 I think is a superpower is her commitment to 00:20:20.549 --> 00:20:27.670 constant and never -ending improvement. wows 00:20:27.670 --> 00:20:32.630 me of how willing she is to search her soul her 00:20:32.630 --> 00:20:35.849 body her thinking her perspective everything 00:20:35.849 --> 00:20:39.410 to find who she really is and authentically be 00:20:39.410 --> 00:20:42.410 she's not kowtowing to me whatever but she's 00:20:42.410 --> 00:20:46.890 always willing to get better so you know i'll 00:20:46.890 --> 00:20:49.049 let her tell the logistics of it but i just say 00:20:49.049 --> 00:20:52.869 it's because she's so committed to this lifestyle 00:20:52.869 --> 00:20:55.190 but this also committed to just being man person 00:20:56.109 --> 00:21:00.049 I think the first, you know, nine months to a 00:21:00.049 --> 00:21:02.349 year, we just kind of dabbled a little bit when 00:21:02.349 --> 00:21:04.690 we we'd like to go on trips. And so when we would 00:21:04.690 --> 00:21:07.069 go on trips, we would just, you know, see if 00:21:07.069 --> 00:21:09.529 there was a club there or something going on. 00:21:09.609 --> 00:21:14.049 Kind of just stuck to for a good minute. And 00:21:14.049 --> 00:21:17.950 then it wasn't until into like the second year 00:21:17.950 --> 00:21:23.869 of, you know, all of this that. Let's see. No. 00:21:25.259 --> 00:21:28.160 When did we go to Splash for the first time? 00:21:29.099 --> 00:21:32.019 Oh, yeah. No, we went to Splash that first year 00:21:32.019 --> 00:21:34.640 then. So Splash was our big event. So we kind 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:36.920 of got into lifestyle together in March. Dabble 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:39.680 did a few clubs and then went to Splash in November 00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:45.019 of 2022. And that was Houston. Yes, Houston. 00:21:45.140 --> 00:21:50.099 And I think before that, if we had gone to like, 00:21:50.099 --> 00:21:54.160 there's like a local spot here. And we had just 00:21:54.160 --> 00:21:57.319 mostly met women. And so I got chatting with 00:21:57.319 --> 00:22:01.279 one of them. And then he had always said he, 00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:04.259 you know, he does not like surprises of any kind, 00:22:04.299 --> 00:22:06.220 even good surprises. The only thing that I'm 00:22:06.220 --> 00:22:08.900 allowed to surprise him with is threesome with 00:22:08.900 --> 00:22:12.680 another woman. So I got chatting with this girl 00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:15.039 and I said, hey, wouldn't it be fun if we, you 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:17.660 know, could get you to come to the house? And 00:22:17.660 --> 00:22:21.599 he doesn't know it, you know. So a couple of 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:25.539 weeks, we her and I plot in this thing and. You 00:22:25.539 --> 00:22:28.980 know, it's Sunday night and she's on her way 00:22:28.980 --> 00:22:31.180 and the whole day I'm just giggling about the 00:22:31.180 --> 00:22:35.480 whole thing. And usually if people are coming 00:22:35.480 --> 00:22:37.380 over, I'm like running around the house like 00:22:37.380 --> 00:22:40.940 trying to clean everything, you know. And so 00:22:40.940 --> 00:22:42.980 I just played it cool. There was, you know, a 00:22:42.980 --> 00:22:45.000 little bit of mess in the house. You know, I 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:47.079 said, you know, why don't we cook a bunch of. 00:22:47.500 --> 00:22:49.579 just cook some extra steaks tonight. We can have 00:22:49.579 --> 00:22:51.839 leftovers for the week, make meal prepping easier. 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:54.980 You know, I was just wearing like messy bun and 00:22:54.980 --> 00:22:58.319 a t -shirt and shorts, nothing crazy. And he 00:22:58.319 --> 00:23:01.880 said, oh goodness, there's, there was like this 00:23:01.880 --> 00:23:06.420 big one, one of those Goliath mosquitoes on the 00:23:06.420 --> 00:23:09.059 wall, whatever those things are called. And he's 00:23:09.059 --> 00:23:10.680 like, can you grab the fly swatter? And well, 00:23:10.740 --> 00:23:13.220 right then the lady had texted me that she was 00:23:13.220 --> 00:23:16.000 there. And then I kind of went down this little 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:18.279 hallway to the front door. Well, I opened up 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:19.920 the door to the closet where the fly swatter 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:22.160 was and she was at the door right then. So I 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:23.759 was able to sneak her in. And the miraculous 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:26.960 thing is, is that our dogs didn't bark at her 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:31.660 at all when she came in. They always do. So she 00:23:31.660 --> 00:23:33.539 came down the hall with me and then I said, I 00:23:33.539 --> 00:23:35.660 have the fly swatter and turned around and then 00:23:35.660 --> 00:23:37.940 I was holding the fly swatter and then she was 00:23:37.940 --> 00:23:40.900 on the other side of me. And then he was like, 00:23:40.980 --> 00:23:44.769 God, it just happened. So that was our first 00:23:44.769 --> 00:23:47.309 one. And I've probably done it at least a dozen 00:23:47.309 --> 00:23:49.849 times now. And every single time I get them, 00:23:49.890 --> 00:23:51.890 like I changed the algorithm. I said, you're 00:23:51.890 --> 00:23:55.769 never going to figure it out. Like one time I 00:23:55.769 --> 00:23:58.250 even flew a lady in for the weekend. Like that 00:23:58.250 --> 00:24:01.970 was probably the ultimate. You know, and we were 00:24:01.970 --> 00:24:03.970 I said we were going to call him from the hot 00:24:03.970 --> 00:24:05.789 tub, like naked from the hot tub, you know, from 00:24:05.789 --> 00:24:08.910 get him to come home from work. But then we decided 00:24:08.910 --> 00:24:11.250 just wait. And we even got a video. It was really 00:24:11.250 --> 00:24:15.029 fun. When he came in for that. So. I was just 00:24:15.029 --> 00:24:16.690 going to ask nephew. I'm in the country. I was 00:24:16.690 --> 00:24:19.390 going to ask nephew. What does that make you 00:24:19.390 --> 00:24:24.250 feel like when you come home to like spontaneous 00:24:24.250 --> 00:24:26.849 events like that? Yeah. You know what I mean? 00:24:26.890 --> 00:24:29.190 Where she set up something like that and you 00:24:29.190 --> 00:24:32.369 didn't know anything. And then, and I mean, you 00:24:32.369 --> 00:24:34.250 know, you might pop the garage door and she's 00:24:34.250 --> 00:24:38.299 standing there with a friend. Oh yeah. Well, 00:24:38.299 --> 00:24:40.180 sometimes I'll pop the garage door and she's 00:24:40.180 --> 00:24:43.220 just standing there in some lingerie. And luckily, 00:24:43.299 --> 00:24:45.799 we don't think of anybody across the street from 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:49.599 us, so nobody else can see. Who cares? I wouldn't 00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:54.819 even care. To answer your question. I wouldn't 00:24:54.819 --> 00:25:00.940 even care. Yeah, I'm a little different on that 00:25:00.940 --> 00:25:06.450 one, but that's a whole other question. Yeah, 00:25:06.769 --> 00:25:08.910 no, no judgment or anything. But to answer your 00:25:08.910 --> 00:25:11.809 question, yeah, I feel like a king. I feel like 00:25:11.809 --> 00:25:15.970 I'm lucky as hell. I feel like whatever I got 00:25:15.970 --> 00:25:19.769 to do to keep this going, I'm grateful to it 00:25:19.769 --> 00:25:22.150 all the time because she's right. She keeps you 00:25:22.150 --> 00:25:24.309 in the game. Man. She keeps you in the game. 00:25:24.329 --> 00:25:27.849 She does. And one thing she honors, too, is I'm 00:25:27.849 --> 00:25:31.430 serious. So for me, with the surprise thing, 00:25:31.630 --> 00:25:33.690 obviously nobody likes negative surprise. You 00:25:33.690 --> 00:25:35.670 want to be prepared for it. Well, some people 00:25:35.670 --> 00:25:37.769 are like, I'd rather not know. I want to know. 00:25:38.130 --> 00:25:40.130 But a positive surprise, I don't like because 00:25:40.130 --> 00:25:43.630 I'm like, well, I could be knowing and looking 00:25:43.630 --> 00:25:45.789 forward to that. I'd rather you tell me you're 00:25:45.789 --> 00:25:47.869 going to give me a gift than surprise me about 00:25:47.869 --> 00:25:50.170 it because I'm like, it gets me through the day. 00:25:50.289 --> 00:25:51.789 I don't know if that makes sense, but it's like, 00:25:51.849 --> 00:25:54.789 I'm like, yeah, this is coming up and she's going 00:25:54.789 --> 00:25:57.869 to give me this for a gift. It's the buildup 00:25:57.869 --> 00:26:00.069 that you like. You like the buildup. You like 00:26:00.069 --> 00:26:02.269 the buildup. I prefer the spontaneity, so I, 00:26:02.349 --> 00:26:06.609 you know. I'm the one that, like, would want 00:26:06.609 --> 00:26:10.269 the damn garage door to open up, you know, two 00:26:10.269 --> 00:26:12.230 standing there and, you know, hey, I might get 00:26:12.230 --> 00:26:14.910 out right there. Don't even park the car good. 00:26:15.190 --> 00:26:17.509 You're making a walk into the damn garage. That's 00:26:17.509 --> 00:26:21.349 fine. Okay? That is fine. Neighbors can watch. 00:26:21.609 --> 00:26:23.730 Neighbors can watch. I could tell you this. They 00:26:23.730 --> 00:26:25.849 just don't see a narrow black ass for a long 00:26:25.849 --> 00:26:28.910 age walking into the damn garage. Okay? That's 00:26:28.910 --> 00:26:31.750 it. All right. Here again, I got all set there. 00:26:31.789 --> 00:26:36.519 Keep doing that. no no so yeah i just i'm i'm 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:40.279 i'm i don't you know i'm lucky that's all i feel 00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:45.119 i'm just blessed um and it's both of you are 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:49.700 both of you we are and in a before i saw it and 00:26:49.700 --> 00:26:53.000 i saw another couple a long time ago and when 00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:55.660 i saw it and when she was you know when she was 00:26:55.660 --> 00:26:57.480 explaining to me what she was doing for her husband 00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:01.160 that she's she i don't i want to get something 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.000 clear about it too. It's not just something that 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:07.700 I'm lucky for. I want to tell a lot of stag and 00:27:07.700 --> 00:27:10.660 vixen couples, especially that when the way to 00:27:10.660 --> 00:27:12.880 do this, I'm going to tell you what it does. 00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:14.980 So when I saw it and when I first seen it, she 00:27:14.980 --> 00:27:17.920 says, I like to control the situation. Secondly, 00:27:18.140 --> 00:27:20.420 the women feel way more comfortable that the 00:27:20.420 --> 00:27:23.240 wife is reaching out. Now I know this dude ain't 00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:25.299 lying. Now I know this dude ain't, well, you 00:27:25.299 --> 00:27:28.119 know, I'm in a lifestyle, but you know, my, my 00:27:28.119 --> 00:27:30.539 wife, you know, she knows, but she doesn't want 00:27:30.539 --> 00:27:33.000 to. get involved. I'm not saying that's not true. 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:35.200 There's a lot of relationships like that, but 00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:38.079 it's ambiguous, you know? And then some dudes 00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:39.980 are just straight up lying and that's their thing. 00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:42.019 Like you say, no judgment on none of that. No, 00:27:42.059 --> 00:27:44.779 we're not here to judge that. But what I do like 00:27:44.779 --> 00:27:49.279 about it is that it does make the, the unicorn 00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:52.079 or even, you know, this, the hot wife or whoever 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:56.539 feel way more comfortable. And she also gets 00:27:56.539 --> 00:27:58.539 a chance to vet because you know how dudes are, 00:27:58.619 --> 00:28:00.400 you know, you know, your dick is pulling you. 00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:04.099 You know what I'm saying? And we try to be wise, 00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:07.339 but women want the lifestyle for a reason. So 00:28:07.339 --> 00:28:10.380 the cool thing about it is she gets to talk to 00:28:10.380 --> 00:28:13.680 them. You know, she gets to see not if they're 00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:15.559 crazy or anything like that, nothing judgmental, 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:17.599 but more of like, maybe we're not a good vibe 00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:21.119 or maybe, you know, it's not a right, good timing 00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:24.559 for one of the other. And so I like that. Plus, 00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:29.299 um, I run, you know, I run several businesses. 00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:32.980 We run several businesses. And I'd rather not 00:28:32.980 --> 00:28:36.000 spend a lot of time trying to generate all of 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:39.420 these introductions and certain things because 00:28:39.420 --> 00:28:43.299 women naturally want to take their time to make 00:28:43.299 --> 00:28:44.680 sure that they're going to be safe with you, 00:28:44.740 --> 00:28:46.160 that you're not going to be some knucklehead, 00:28:46.339 --> 00:28:49.119 that you're not going to waste their time, right? 00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:53.059 So when the wife reaches out, you know, you don't 00:28:53.059 --> 00:28:55.039 have to be what we call her the slut secretary. 00:28:55.220 --> 00:28:58.289 She is my slut secretary. You don't have to be 00:28:58.289 --> 00:29:01.309 that. You don't have to be that. But just an 00:29:01.309 --> 00:29:04.289 introduction. Hey, I'm cool with this. You know, 00:29:04.329 --> 00:29:07.170 you seem to be a cool person. My husband's interested 00:29:07.170 --> 00:29:10.369 in you. Something that simple goes a long way. 00:29:10.450 --> 00:29:14.150 And so it's not just lucky. I think it helps 00:29:14.150 --> 00:29:16.450 us avoid a lot of drama and it helps me avoid 00:29:16.450 --> 00:29:19.349 a lot of wasting the time in somebody's inbox 00:29:19.349 --> 00:29:22.109 that's not interested or, you know, whatever 00:29:22.109 --> 00:29:25.740 I do, I can focus on business. You know, she 00:29:25.740 --> 00:29:28.559 does that for me. And then after that, I have 00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:31.700 decent conversations with them. Some women I 00:29:31.700 --> 00:29:33.299 play with, they only want to see me at Splash. 00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:34.980 These literally don't want to talk to me at all, 00:29:35.059 --> 00:29:38.779 you know, before or after. But when we see each 00:29:38.779 --> 00:29:41.740 other at Splash, we smash. You know what I mean? 00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:44.460 And then some women I talk to. I was about to 00:29:44.460 --> 00:29:47.420 say, all you got to do is go and perform, basically, 00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:50.859 all right? Siren knows exactly what you like. 00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:53.220 You know what I mean? I mean, she knows everything. 00:29:53.740 --> 00:29:55.880 So it's like you don't have to say a damn word. 00:29:56.059 --> 00:29:59.279 She is your mouthpiece, you know, and that's 00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:04.119 something that. She's everything. I love that. 00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:06.759 She knows everything. She knows everything, you 00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:08.720 know. So like I said, all you got to do is perform. 00:30:09.420 --> 00:30:11.039 That's it. That's all you got to do is perform. 00:30:11.380 --> 00:30:14.519 It's almost, it is almost like, let me say this, 00:30:14.619 --> 00:30:17.339 it's almost like when I lived in Germany and 00:30:17.339 --> 00:30:19.940 for the two years, for the two years, Socrates, 00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:22.480 I told you I was. you know, a male escort and 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:25.440 I had my female handler, you know, I didn't have 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:27.099 to, I didn't have to worry about anything. She 00:30:27.099 --> 00:30:29.720 took care of business. Right. She did the talking, 00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:31.740 you know what I mean? All I had to do was show 00:30:31.740 --> 00:30:35.220 up and he again, you know, for the date, that 00:30:35.220 --> 00:30:38.960 was it. That was it. So I'm going to do it. I 00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:40.500 didn't mean to cut you off. No, the great thing 00:30:40.500 --> 00:30:44.640 about it is I don't want it to sound transactional. 00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:47.619 It actually greases the wheels better for more 00:30:47.619 --> 00:30:50.339 friendship. So we have people that we talk to, 00:30:50.420 --> 00:30:54.740 that she talks to more than I do. And, you know, 00:30:54.799 --> 00:31:00.619 I might talk to that young lady like once or 00:31:00.619 --> 00:31:03.440 twice a week or every other day. I talk to them 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.480 every day. And they have a good friendship. And 00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:08.079 then there's some women where it's just like, 00:31:08.490 --> 00:31:10.769 I'm terrible at managing my calendar. I told 00:31:10.769 --> 00:31:13.809 her that myself, that I don't manage my calendar 00:31:13.809 --> 00:31:16.029 well, but if I have a strong calendar, I'm doing 00:31:16.029 --> 00:31:18.769 good. So she might just be the one to text her 00:31:18.769 --> 00:31:21.250 and say, hey, we got Saturday night available. 00:31:21.589 --> 00:31:24.150 You know, but I'm still having great relationships. 00:31:24.190 --> 00:31:26.789 And, you know, as far as lifestyle conversations 00:31:26.789 --> 00:31:29.329 and getting to know people, it's not a transactional 00:31:29.329 --> 00:31:32.349 thing. But what it does do is says she's better 00:31:32.349 --> 00:31:34.210 at reading women than I am because my dick's 00:31:34.210 --> 00:31:36.799 reading you. You know, and then after, you know, 00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:39.220 I don't know how men are. I'd rather get to know 00:31:39.220 --> 00:31:40.900 you, but my dick's sometimes getting in the way 00:31:40.900 --> 00:31:44.259 of judgment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's going to 00:31:44.259 --> 00:31:46.980 be the first point of contact. All right, the 00:31:46.980 --> 00:31:49.440 little hair is going to control the big hair. 00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:50.779 That's going to be the first point of contact. 00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:53.359 And then we go after that. I totally get it. 00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:57.099 What advice would you give couples? I mean, you 00:31:57.099 --> 00:31:59.359 guys have obviously, you know, you guys love 00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:01.380 each other very, very much. Like I said, you 00:32:01.380 --> 00:32:03.480 guys are ride or die. You are each other's everything. 00:32:04.140 --> 00:32:06.539 What advice would you give couples who would, 00:32:06.579 --> 00:32:11.779 say, aspire to be like you guys in this life? 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:16.500 You know, to be as open as you are, but yet as 00:32:16.500 --> 00:32:18.880 loving as you are. How would they get to that 00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:22.759 point? I mean, you know, just what would you 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:27.059 advise couples coming into the world? Just know 00:32:27.059 --> 00:32:28.960 that you're signing up for a lot of hard work. 00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.799 Know that you're signing up for a lot of hard 00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:35.730 work. But you are also signing up for a lot of 00:32:35.730 --> 00:32:42.130 fun and a lot of communication and just really 00:32:42.130 --> 00:32:45.650 rewarding, enriching moments between you and 00:32:45.650 --> 00:32:49.150 your spouse as you navigate maybe even like hard 00:32:49.150 --> 00:32:52.269 things in the lifestyle or difficulties. Like 00:32:52.269 --> 00:32:55.109 you just become so close. And we've just had 00:32:55.109 --> 00:32:58.029 some of the sweetest times like, you know, where 00:32:58.029 --> 00:33:00.849 maybe I had an insecure moment and he reassured 00:33:00.849 --> 00:33:05.140 me and then. You know, he's just my rock. And 00:33:05.140 --> 00:33:07.039 then it's kind of like I can be all over the 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:11.299 place sometimes, but he just anchors me down 00:33:11.299 --> 00:33:14.900 and holds me. And so, but that's what you get. 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.240 Not forcefully. She's talking to you emotionally. 00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:21.460 Well, I mean, unless I ask for that, that's for 00:33:21.460 --> 00:33:25.359 a different party. So, you know. That's where 00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:27.079 you want it. That's what the fans want to hear. 00:33:27.220 --> 00:33:30.019 He's just my, yeah, he's just my safe place. 00:33:30.140 --> 00:33:33.950 And so. You know, but that was a lot of hard 00:33:33.950 --> 00:33:35.970 work to get to that point. Like, I mean, especially 00:33:35.970 --> 00:33:38.450 when we first moved in together, like I have 00:33:38.450 --> 00:33:41.009 my kids all that we were going to kill each other. 00:33:41.029 --> 00:33:44.150 You know, there's just but you just can't give 00:33:44.150 --> 00:33:47.029 up because now it's just like, you know, oh, 00:33:47.089 --> 00:33:49.450 you're leaving. I'm packing my bag. I'm coming 00:33:49.450 --> 00:33:52.690 with you. You know, we're going to see who can 00:33:52.690 --> 00:33:56.210 be more stubborn, but just roll with it. Just 00:33:56.210 --> 00:33:59.190 like know that, like, even if today's hard. Tomorrow's 00:33:59.190 --> 00:34:01.470 going to be better if you're committed to constant 00:34:01.470 --> 00:34:03.990 and never ending improvement, which we are. So 00:34:03.990 --> 00:34:06.549 what else do you want to say, babe? Yeah, so 00:34:06.549 --> 00:34:10.570 I love that answer. I've been wanting to say 00:34:10.570 --> 00:34:12.010 this for a while. It's been my heart. Before 00:34:12.010 --> 00:34:13.849 I answer this, I want to give a little caveat 00:34:13.849 --> 00:34:16.670 because it's going to be connected to my answer. 00:34:17.130 --> 00:34:21.849 I always talk about how I have, you know, Siren 00:34:21.849 --> 00:34:24.050 talked about me being a bull before. I was a 00:34:24.050 --> 00:34:27.349 bull straight up because of Michael C. Keys and 00:34:27.349 --> 00:34:32.500 Inklets podcast. Local. And I talk about me mentoring 00:34:32.500 --> 00:34:37.000 under Michael C. and Mr. Mocha and you. But I 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:40.599 want to say this. I mean this sincerely. If I 00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:43.599 have any success or show a couple or a woman 00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:46.440 a good time, some of it's my experience before, 00:34:46.659 --> 00:34:49.280 some of it's my research, but a lot of it is 00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:51.960 because of these mentors I have. But I do want 00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:54.860 to say this too. If I fuck up, if I do some stupid 00:34:54.860 --> 00:34:58.750 shit, That's all me. That's none of them. These 00:34:58.750 --> 00:35:01.630 guys are wise beyond their years. And I am nowhere 00:35:01.630 --> 00:35:05.429 even near as wise and as dumb, dope. And not 00:35:05.429 --> 00:35:06.889 that they don't make mistakes, but these guys 00:35:06.889 --> 00:35:09.610 are so dope. And I just want to say that because 00:35:09.610 --> 00:35:12.329 I've talked a lot about on several podcasts on 00:35:12.329 --> 00:35:16.030 how he's my mentor to me. But I haven't done 00:35:16.030 --> 00:35:17.769 anything crazy yet. But if I end up making a 00:35:17.769 --> 00:35:20.150 huge mistake, it's because of my ignorant ass. 00:35:20.570 --> 00:35:24.869 But the answer to your question is that. I say 00:35:24.869 --> 00:35:28.289 educate yourself and get a mentor. That's what 00:35:28.289 --> 00:35:33.570 the brotherhood is about. It's about iron sharpening 00:35:33.570 --> 00:35:36.349 iron. I educate myself. You don't have to research 00:35:36.349 --> 00:35:40.650 as much as I do. I go crazy. I get research papers 00:35:40.650 --> 00:35:44.630 automatically sent to me that are on college 00:35:44.630 --> 00:35:48.050 papers on the lifestyle on all levels. I read 00:35:48.050 --> 00:35:50.329 several books on the subject all the time. I 00:35:50.329 --> 00:35:53.150 do. anthropological research on this stuff. I'm 00:35:53.150 --> 00:35:55.449 ridiculous. You don't have to be like me. But 00:35:55.449 --> 00:35:58.809 talk to some people. Sit down with a couple that 00:35:58.809 --> 00:36:01.510 you see. First, I would say find a couple, even 00:36:01.510 --> 00:36:03.510 if it's online, that are living the lifestyle 00:36:03.510 --> 00:36:06.269 the way you want to see it. If you want to do 00:36:06.269 --> 00:36:11.349 it the way we do, it is one of the toughest dynamics, 00:36:11.530 --> 00:36:16.630 in my opinion. But very rewarding. I wouldn't 00:36:16.630 --> 00:36:18.349 say it's more rewarding than any other dynamic. 00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:20.960 We both have to deal with each other playing. 00:36:21.340 --> 00:36:24.079 And both of us are fucking horny ass motherfuckers. 00:36:24.500 --> 00:36:29.900 Straight up. And, you know, women are always 00:36:29.900 --> 00:36:31.679 going to get more than men. And I don't want 00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:33.760 the numbers she has because I want to work a 00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:36.960 little more. But I would say, you know, three 00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:39.860 things. One, be your authentic self. That's the 00:36:39.860 --> 00:36:42.519 biggest thing that all of my mentors and who 00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:44.000 have always taught me. Be your authentic self 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:47.000 no matter what that is. You know. Number two. 00:36:48.460 --> 00:36:52.639 You know, find someone that you can see that 00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:55.880 if you're a bull, find a bull. If you're a stag 00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:57.719 and vixen couple, if you're a cuckoo couple, 00:36:57.780 --> 00:36:59.840 whatever your dynamic is, find somebody doing 00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:02.739 it successful. And hear what they have to say. 00:37:02.780 --> 00:37:05.019 Don't take what they say as law. Use your own 00:37:05.019 --> 00:37:09.139 common sense. And then I would say educate yourself. 00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:13.039 At least a movie every now and again. If you 00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:16.380 don't listen to a podcast. talk to chat gbt you 00:37:16.380 --> 00:37:18.480 can literally just push a button and have a conversation 00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:22.360 with it or you know listen you know any of the 00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:25.179 podcasts that you know we promote or other ones 00:37:25.179 --> 00:37:27.820 or go go somewhere do something to educate yourself 00:37:27.820 --> 00:37:31.159 because success leaves clues and you don't have 00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:34.119 to figure this thing out and when i got in um 00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:38.820 i got in fearful i got in like what if a husband 00:37:38.820 --> 00:37:42.010 that you know, the wife was lying about comes 00:37:42.010 --> 00:37:43.929 in and shoots us all, you know, because I'm crazy 00:37:43.929 --> 00:37:46.090 like that and not come from crazy situations 00:37:46.090 --> 00:37:50.110 like that. And so I came at it like I want to 00:37:50.110 --> 00:37:52.489 see what everything can go wrong. And then I 00:37:52.489 --> 00:37:54.570 want to see if there's an answer to it. And not 00:37:54.570 --> 00:37:56.349 that there is an answer to that. Sometimes you 00:37:56.349 --> 00:38:00.489 just have to take the risk and take. But I say 00:38:00.489 --> 00:38:02.309 educate yourself as much as you can so you can 00:38:02.309 --> 00:38:05.349 avoid the common pitfalls. Like if you're not 00:38:05.349 --> 00:38:09.039 everybody, every lifestyle podcast book. you 00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:11.699 know, mentor says communication, not one. There's 00:38:11.699 --> 00:38:15.239 not one that doesn't say that. So why get into 00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:17.119 a relationship? Let's say you're a staggered, 00:38:17.139 --> 00:38:19.199 fixing couple and you guys don't have strong 00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:23.679 communication. Why, why learn that by trial and 00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:26.440 error? Everybody I see either has a lot of traumatic 00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:28.199 experiences or they get out, took a lot of the 00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:30.780 lifestyles, not for them, you know, educate yourself 00:38:30.780 --> 00:38:34.099 so that you can learn some of the basics. That's 00:38:34.099 --> 00:38:37.769 what got me here. You know, I just kept. I mean, 00:38:37.769 --> 00:38:39.989 interviewing people, talking to people, reading 00:38:39.989 --> 00:38:42.329 books, everything I can get my hands on. Well, 00:38:42.429 --> 00:38:44.150 I tell you what, those are two great answers. 00:38:44.389 --> 00:38:49.530 And coming from the male's point of view, Socrates, 00:38:49.769 --> 00:38:54.250 you hit it on the head. I would tell somebody 00:38:54.250 --> 00:38:59.510 just starting out, even as a couple, find it 00:38:59.510 --> 00:39:02.409 for the male, for the husband. Find that bull. 00:39:02.829 --> 00:39:06.139 Find that bull who will sit down. And we'll be 00:39:06.139 --> 00:39:10.059 as honest with you about this life as possible. 00:39:11.619 --> 00:39:14.840 I've been in this game for 30 years, 30 plus 00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:19.300 years, as you know. But yeah, I started at 26, 00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:24.619 you know, so 30 plus years. But when I started, 00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:29.079 I didn't have a male, you know, mentor to sit 00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:32.500 down with. My mentor was actually a female that 00:39:32.500 --> 00:39:35.500 got me into everything. So I went through trial 00:39:35.500 --> 00:39:38.119 and error, like you said. So I know what it's 00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:41.920 like to have fuck -ups in the lifestyle and to 00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:48.280 learn and, what's my favorite word, evolve as 00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:51.860 you get older. And that is what's happened to 00:39:51.860 --> 00:39:55.619 me. So now I'm in a whole other situation now. 00:39:56.099 --> 00:39:59.000 Although I still love to play, but I have evolved 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:02.690 so much now. You know, it's pathetic. But here 00:40:02.690 --> 00:40:04.789 again, I won't get into all that. But those are 00:40:04.789 --> 00:40:06.849 two great answers. I mean, two great answers. 00:40:07.170 --> 00:40:09.510 And ladies and gentlemen, if you are listening 00:40:09.510 --> 00:40:11.829 right now to the ones who are listening, whether 00:40:11.829 --> 00:40:16.050 you are a bull, whether you are a unicorn, a 00:40:16.050 --> 00:40:19.170 cuckoldress, hot wife, whatever, this is what 00:40:19.170 --> 00:40:22.889 I call a true couple, a true, a real couple in 00:40:22.889 --> 00:40:27.829 the hot wife lifestyle. To be honest, you guys 00:40:27.829 --> 00:40:32.070 have surpassed all the questions that I had tonight. 00:40:32.329 --> 00:40:34.570 I mean, is there anything that you want to say 00:40:34.570 --> 00:40:37.130 to the audience here in commentary before we 00:40:37.130 --> 00:40:39.170 close it off for the night? Yeah, well, I want 00:40:39.170 --> 00:40:41.469 to say thanks for all the accolades, but don't 00:40:41.469 --> 00:40:45.150 get it twisted. We make mistakes. And we have 00:40:45.150 --> 00:40:49.389 knock -down, drag -out arguments. And we curse 00:40:49.389 --> 00:40:53.909 each other out sometimes. Not me. Oh, yeah, my 00:40:53.909 --> 00:40:59.860 bad. I do. you know and but you know so i'm not 00:40:59.860 --> 00:41:02.320 here to to paint a rosy picture but what i am 00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:04.900 saying is this is my ride or die and this is 00:41:04.900 --> 00:41:07.480 the woman i can you know i admire because she 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:09.820 takes accountability for herself she will apologize 00:41:09.820 --> 00:41:12.659 and say i'm sorry my bad daddy i was you know 00:41:12.659 --> 00:41:15.960 this or that and she's made strides and so many 00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:18.659 other areas besides the lifestyle that i'm just 00:41:18.659 --> 00:41:21.380 in awe of this woman and so i would just say 00:41:22.010 --> 00:41:24.090 Thank you so much for doing this interview, brother. 00:41:24.230 --> 00:41:26.969 And thank you for being part of our council, 00:41:27.030 --> 00:41:30.710 my council, you know, of wise men that I have 00:41:30.710 --> 00:41:34.949 in my life that I can turn to for wisdom. You 00:41:34.949 --> 00:41:37.650 know I've turned to you for so many things and 00:41:37.650 --> 00:41:40.190 I continue to. And that's, you know, I'm living 00:41:40.190 --> 00:41:44.429 this. I'm here partially because I got a squad 00:41:44.429 --> 00:41:48.139 of brothers that hold me accountable. And I call 00:41:48.139 --> 00:41:49.880 me on my shit. You know, sometimes they say, 00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:52.239 you know, what you doing is bitch ass right now. 00:41:52.539 --> 00:41:56.980 You know, and or also they've said, dude, you 00:41:56.980 --> 00:41:59.539 part of the squad. Raise your chin up, man. Let's 00:41:59.539 --> 00:42:01.980 go. You got this, brother. You, you, you know. 00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:05.340 And so, you know, that I want to thank you for 00:42:05.340 --> 00:42:08.780 being part of that. And I want to thank my lovely 00:42:08.780 --> 00:42:11.800 wife for giving me a life that I dreamed of that 00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:16.230 people said wasn't possible. Man, I'm still saying 00:42:16.230 --> 00:42:19.590 something after that. I was just thinking of 00:42:19.590 --> 00:42:22.909 just what a blessing it is to just, you know, 00:42:22.909 --> 00:42:27.190 and so grateful that every day I get to walk, 00:42:27.349 --> 00:42:33.349 wake up next to a hot black man. And I'm very, 00:42:33.429 --> 00:42:36.670 very fortunate for that. You know, the first 00:42:36.670 --> 00:42:39.730 thing I see every morning when I open my eyes 00:42:39.730 --> 00:42:44.800 is him. And then we just... we just have such 00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:47.079 a good routine with each other. We get up, we 00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:50.099 pray every morning with each other, we have coffee 00:42:50.099 --> 00:42:53.079 in the hot tub and just go through our day. And 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:56.820 I'm just fortunate to be with somebody who is 00:42:56.820 --> 00:42:59.860 always wanting to grow, learn, and learn to love 00:42:59.860 --> 00:43:03.400 me better and to just perfect his craft, whether 00:43:03.400 --> 00:43:05.619 that's being the best husband, being the best 00:43:05.619 --> 00:43:09.940 businessman, or being the best bull. He's always 00:43:09.940 --> 00:43:13.780 just working towards, you know, being being better 00:43:13.780 --> 00:43:18.820 so um i'm just i'm just blown away by him every 00:43:18.820 --> 00:43:20.699 day and i think he's so amazing and and it's 00:43:20.699 --> 00:43:23.840 i just love all of you guys that are in the squad 00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:27.639 as we say um just to be surrounded by a bunch 00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:31.719 of true kings um is really really a great experience 00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:37.159 so thank you so much for having us on that was 00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:39.699 absolutely beautiful and ladies and gentlemen 00:43:39.699 --> 00:43:44.070 this will conclude Another broadcast, another 00:43:44.070 --> 00:43:47.570 episode of the Bull Brotherhood. Again, I'm your 00:43:47.570 --> 00:43:51.769 host, D. Morgan, a .k .a. the Sigma Male, the 00:43:51.769 --> 00:43:55.510 Long Wolf. And again, we have been talking to 00:43:55.510 --> 00:43:59.809 my brother, Socrates, and his lovely queen, Siren. 00:44:00.269 --> 00:44:03.829 And until we do another podcast and meet again, 00:44:04.030 --> 00:44:07.869 as always, to my brothers and bulls out there, 00:44:08.030 --> 00:44:11.010 good night. And to my ladies and high wives. 00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:14.760 Good morning. I'll see you again. Good night. 00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:33.099 It is intended for audiences 18 and over only. 00:44:33.500 --> 00:44:37.760 Listener discretion is advised. The views expressed 00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.989 by our guests are theirs alone. and do not necessarily 00:44:40.989 --> 00:44:45.010 reflect the views or values of the hosts, producers, 00:44:45.250 --> 00:44:48.909 or affiliated brands. The Bull Brotherhood podcast 00:44:48.909 --> 00:44:52.469 is for educational, entertainment, and empowerment 00:44:52.469 --> 00:44:55.610 purposes only. 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