Welcome to Where Science Meets Self -Care with
Ida Fanelli. With over 30 years in beauty and
wellness and a background in medical science,
Ida blends clinical knowledge with holistic care.
Each week, she and her guests share insights
to help you achieve healthier skin, balanced
energy, and empowered self -care. Now, here's
your host, Ida Fanelli. I'm joined by Nadia Gonzalez.
a certified rolfing practitioner, a member of
the Canadian Rolfing Association, and Nathia
will be graduating with a master's in osteopathic
practice. Nathia, welcome. Can you briefly share
what led you to study rolfing and osteopathy?
Hi, Ida. Thanks for having me. Osteopathy and
structural integration were rolfing. I'd like
to start with a quote of both professions. Osteopathy
is a science that analyzes man and finds that
he partakes of divine intelligence. And this
is a quote from Rolfing. This is the gospel of
Rolfing. When the body gets working appropriately,
the forces of gravity can flow through, then
spontaneously the body heals itself. So both
osteopathy and Rolfing. It came into my life
at a time when I was having some health issues
where I couldn't find answers to what was going
on. I had a lot of digestive issues, a lot of
issues with my nervous system where I couldn't
really rest well at night. And I would seek out
the contemporary or the more traditional ways
of getting therapy, such as physiotherapy or
going to chiropractors and massage therapies.
But it seemed the resolution was very short -term
and short -lived. And I would go back to the
same cycle or to the same loop of pain and discomfort.
And there was a sense of feeling like I was in
that home in my body. I had an encounter with
a friend where I was describing some of my discomforts
and my issues. He expressed, have you heard of
this thing called the brawl thing where they
work through the entire body and they... they
reorganize the tissues and all of a sudden you
get really healthy and you get well and you start
to feel better and to me it sounded like something
was completely crazy and off but something was
resonating about what he had said. I ended up
doing my research for six months about brawling
and I decided to give it a try because there's
only so much I could read on the internet until
I actually had to undergo the experience and
I went through the structural integration experience
or the rolfing experience and it changed my life
i was able to regain health back i'm very physically
active doing sports and and all kinds of physical
activities through rolfing i was able to regain
my strength and be at my highest level of performance
as i was before some of this other health difficulties
it led me to actually study rolfing where i ended
up going to to Salt Lake City where there's a
school called the Guild for Structural Integration
where where they teach a whole thing and I am
now a practitioner myself and I've been in practice
for over 10 years and now that I've been in practice
for 10 years I've been seeking more depth in
in my understanding of the body not only just
for myself but also for my clients and I'm always
left with questions about why does the body do
this? Why does it happen this way? Why is there
existence? In that process, I somehow found osteopathy,
and I ended up seeking a school where I could
learn it, and currently I'm in school in Canada,
learning to become a... osteopathic manual practitioner
i'm halfway through my studies and it's really
beautiful how both of them are really coming
together in the sense where we're looking to
restore the body's capacity to self -heal and
self -regulate and its innate mechanisms of being
healthy because i think at some point we are
all born healthy generally and it is through
the passing of life our experiences that we fall
into dis -ease, able to regain health. And in
order to do that, we have to have help from different
professionals or from plants or from the natural
world to get our health back. How does Rolfing
work with the fascia to improve posture and muscle
movement? So Rolfing essentially works on the
biggest network or connective tissue that's found
in the body, which is called the fascia. Right
now, fascia is a term that's really in. We hear
the myofascia and myofasciitis. But it's really
been around for a really long time. I think we
find the connective tissue in all sorts of animals.
And we find it in the animal kingdom. We find
it in the plants. Even the cell wall of a plant
is a form of connective tissue. So essentially,
the fascia is a tissue that... serves for protection
and serves as passageways for the nerves the
arteries the veins and all kinds of fluids in
the body it also is a protective mechanism and
it just helps the body stay contained so like
a wrapper that comes involved in all all different
layers of the body so we have superficial intermediate
and deep layers of fascia that encapsulate our
nervous system our muscles our organs and everything
that we are that's kind of keeping us together
so it is a tissue of support and it is made up
of collagen fibers which are deeply interwoven
in different ways eventually we talk about them
as being dense irregular connective tissue or
dense regular connective tissue. And the difference
between dense irregular and dense regular is
essentially how the fibers are oriented. So,
for example, we look at our Achilles tendon or
the tendon that leads into from our calves into
our foot that is considered a dense regular connective
tissue because the fiber orientation is all organized
in a way that allows force to try to be transferred
from the foot up the leg and from the leg down
into the foot into the ground and so the fibers
are all kind of in a specific order and there's
also a specific texture and quality to the dense
regular connective tissue but if you think about
all the dense irregular connective tissue which
we find in other areas of the body maybe in and
around the knee where there's got to be movements
that need to happen in different directions and
there might be a different fiber orientation
where it's not so clear but then at the end of
the day it is there to protect us and allow us
to move in different ways and different planes
and different different motions and to allow
movement to happen and in simultaneous ways where
we're not even able to to conceptualize how the
body is organizing or orchestrating everything
that it allows what can someone expect from a
typical rolfing session so a typical rolfing
session generally we work with like i said we
work with the fascia so in a session we can expect
organization to happen in different areas of
the body so for example if somebody comes in
with difficulties breathing we can work through
the rib cage freeing up the tissue depending
on the health of the tissue of the health of
the connective tissue then some areas might be
painful but generally it feels a sense of relief
a sense of opening a sense of creating more room
for the body to be able to inhabitants itself
but also in a session you can expect movement
re -education you can expect the nervous system
to be able to create new pathways in such a way
where this new information that is laid down
is available to the person to be able to use
out in the world so bringing in movement and
awareness to the body so it is very interesting
it's hard to explain it is almost like a internal
stretch that's happening to the tissues where
more space is created to allow for a better movement.
You're also studying another form of manual therapy,
osteopathy. Can you explain what it is and how
it compares with rolfing? That's a really tough
question to answer. I'm still in the process
of understanding how they're both an extension
of each other. What I can say about osteopathy
is that it is is the father or it is the root
of the many professions that we see now so for
example we see chiropractics is an extension
or was initially was a component of osteopathy
but then it was taken out and converted into
or to whatever it is now we see rolfing now specialized
ways of moving the fascia but even when doctors
still talked about osteopathy in the mid to late
1800s he was the first to talk about the fascia
and then from there there's just been a branching
of things that have come out of osteopathy so
it's hard to really say that which one's best,
which one's better. They're similar, but they're
different at the same time. But the goal of both
of them is to accomplish the body's innate capacity
to just self -heal, self -regulate, to just create
that interrelationship between the structure
and the function of the body because one is not
without the other. And now we'll take time for
a commercial break. Welcome back. How does osteopathy
help with postural alignment and chronic pain?
So, osteopathy helps with postural alignment
and chronic pain because we are working with
the anatomy, the physiology, and we are working
through the body's innate mechanical ability.
So, for example, we have Joints that have a very
specific way of moving, but then when they get
stuck or when they're injured, then the flow
of energy, the flow of movement is obstructed.
And so through osteopathy, we are seeking to
restore the movement through mechanical lines
of forces. So there's also a methodology to being
able to bring the body back into health. through
how it best moves, which is through its intelligent
geometry, its intelligence of muscles, its intelligence
of fascia, its intelligence of the four rivers
of life, which would be the nervous system, the
arteries, the veins, and the lymphatics, and
being able to bring movement and the quality
of health back into the areas that are not moving.
What are the key differences between osteopathy,
chiropractic care, and rolfing? That's also a
tough question to answer. I don't know that I've
studied chiropractics enough to be able to answer
the question, but I do know that in both osteopathy
and rolfing, we use low amplitude force to be
able to change the tissue because you need some
sort of force to be able to have a tissue that's
not moving to a tissue that is really moving.
We don't crack the back. We don't do cracking.
In its early beginnings, there was some of that,
and maybe that's where part of chiropractics
took force, because it came out of osteopathy.
But essentially, I think we're all looking to
restore the body in some shape or form. I mean,
osteopathy deals with bones, and it deals with
the musculoskeletal system. and the structure
and the function of of everything and bringing
it through and back to its original form which
is a body that is working appropriately and then
in rolfing we're looking to do the same but we're
also seeking to align body and the force of gravity
because when forces are acting on the body in
ways that it's not supported to its structure
then it then we start to go through deformation
right so You're studying both of these techniques
because you'd like to do them together. It's
hard to say that they're separate from each other.
I think that there's... I obviously study rolfing
first and constantly studying and constantly
reading. I'm trying to make my understanding
greater each time. But also I'm studying osteopathy.
I'm finding that... Sometimes the line is not
so black and white between them. It's quite beautiful.
But I don't know how long or whether that's going
to look like in the future. But it's exciting
because I think that there is a true capacity
for the body to get healthy. And this is just
these two together are a form of doing that.
Years ago, I was in an event where a chiropractor
was allowing people to weigh one. leg on one
scale and one leg on another scale and from that
experience i found that my left leg carried 11
pounds more than my right and this makes sense
to me because of my hip displacement can this
be causing more strain on my muscles joints and
spine nathia yeah for sure um the body is always
going to find ways of compensating or is going
to find ways to move where there's the least
resistance. So if you had an injury or if you've
had a congenital condition or you even acquire
something later in time, then the body will shift
its normal, what we would consider as normal
orientation, very specific joints to be able
to accommodate any change. that will try to bring
the body into symmetry so for example if you
have the hip displays one leg begins to to feel
and be longer than the other then somewhere in
the shoulder or somewhere in the hip or somewhere
else the body has to counter those forces to
be able to kind of bring you back to a horizontal
plane or to be able to stabilize you is it mean
when one leg carries more weight than another
I would just say it's just a form of compensation.
And I think that through osteopathy and rolfing
and therapies that are seeking to bring the parts
into the whole and then integrate the whole into
the parts, then we are thinking. In terms of
relationships, we're not thinking of just a single
hip or a single foot, because at the end of the
day, we're not a walking foot, we're not a walking
hip, we're a walking being, or we're a moving
being, or we're a whole person that comes integrated
with different things and different functions,
and all of us have to be able to work in concert
well so that we are in good health. Are there
any long -term effects on this imbalance in the
body? As I was saying earlier, compensations
would wreak havoc on the body where you might
feel your foot at first falling apart or it's
not really working well and then it'll travel
to your hip or travel to your shoulder and then
it'll start creating issues not only at the level
of the joints but also at the level of the organs
because everything is so interconnected. So right
around the crease of the hip we have, let's say
for example, our bladder. right and then all
of a sudden you start to limp on that side and
then imagine the forces and the pressures that
that organ and everything around it has to deal
with in order to be able to keep you somewhat
symmetrical and what and then something else
is going to give you know and then so you start
to feel your bladder but then next thing you
know a few years later You start to feel your
lung and you have this cough and you're like,
I don't know where this cough came from. And
then there's just this loop of things where we're
trying to solve one thing or diagnose one thing.
But what is the full body diagnosis? What is
going on? I said like the body equally integrated.
Right. So we think about it in that way. How
does fascia contribute to chronic pain and movement
restrictions? So the fascia, from the words of
Dr. A .T. Still, he wrote a quote here somewhere,
if I can pull it up. Read this quote. Solve us
to the part it takes in life and death. It belts
each muscle, vein, nerve, and all organs of the
body. It is almost a network of nerves, cells,
and tubes running to and from it. It is crossed
and filled with, no doubt, millions of nerve
centers and fibers to carry. on the work of the
secreting and excreting fluids of the vital and
destructive things in life. By its action, we
live, and by its failure, we shrink or swell
and die. Each muscle plays its part in an active
life. Each fiber of all muscles owes its pliability
to that yielding septum washer. He's just talking
about the fascia here. That gives all muscles
help to glide over and around all adjacent ligaments
without friction or jar. It not only lubricates
the fibers that gives nourishment to all parts
of the body. Its nerves are so abundant that
no atom or flesh fails to get nerve and fluid
supply therefrom. So here he's talking about
the fascia and how it's so important to allow
the freedom of movement to occur in the body.
And through science, we're being able to find
that it is the fascia all throughout the body.
It is the organ that has the most... nervous
innervations or connections in the body. So for
example, you might be thinking you're moving
your one finger, but all of that is probably
even connected to your foot and you're not even
moving your foot, right? So from a very distal
structure, the entire system is being affected
or influenced by one thing that you do. So and
then unhealthy fascia really is the beginning
of any kind of disease or unease in the body.
fascia is the organ that carries the highest
level of nerve innervation so essentially the
mastermind of the nervous system is the brain
right so the brain controls everything and if
the brain controls everything controls the nervous
system and the fascia is fully embedded with
nerve fibers then we can say that if the nerves
are not working well then obviously the blood
supply and the blood drainage to and from an
area the quality of movement is going to change
and so therefore it's a chain of events that
changes the way the body functions and now we'll
take time for a commercial break welcome back
yes i had a hand surgery in september and you
were very concerned about scarring from my hand
surgery and you had noticed that certain things
that were happening in my body as a result of
the hand surgery, which you were trying to correct.
So I do appreciate that. What other forms of
scarring should people be concerned about? As
I was saying earlier, it's also a form of connective
tissue, but it's a different type of connective
tissue. It's a connective tissue that is a response
to the body trying to heal itself, but then the
way the fibers are laid down, It's done in such
a way where it's almost like putting a whole
bunch of duct tape around a hole to keep the
air from coming in or from keeping something
from coming out. And it's tough and it's resilient,
but it's not properly oriented. So through scars,
of course, the body is creating a shield. It's
a way of protecting. It's also a tissue that
no longer has the same qualities of the tissue
that's healthy and so that's why it's so important
to whenever you get a surgery or whenever you
have some sort of procedure you have an injury
where you get a deep cut and you get a scar specifically
the deep scars to have it worked on because that
in itself can also create obstructions not only
in that particular area in the body but then
the fascia everywhere and all around will have
to accommodate for that because there's almost
like a integrity model where you shift one thing
in one one direction something else will have
to give in order to be able to bring that system
into homeostasis again It's unfortunate that
the medical profession doesn't educate the public
on this fact because when they do operate on
people, they know contractures are a definite
issue, which is why they suggest that the patients
go to physiotherapists. But I find that physiotherapists
don't really get to the root of the problem all
the time. I do certainly think that they help
and that they have the role in helping people.
gain some sort of movement back which is so important
you know what medical professions they're all
so concerned about what they're do what they're
best at you know so they're diagnostics but they're
they're also really good at surgical procedures
but they don't think about the repercussions
that these procedures leave for people post -surgery
so you could be needing a surgery to get a cyst
or something removed but what happens after that
like how is the system Having an opportunity
to adjust. What is the rehabilitation process
after that? And how is that done in such a way
that the body can come back almost to its normal
state, right? You've mentioned before that fascia
plays a big role in body alignment. Can you explain
how it does that? So role playing plays a really
big role in body alignment because we are seeking
to integrate the body. in the force of gravity
so you think about astronauts that go out in
space a lot of them they start to deteriorate
like when they go out in space the lack of gravity
actually destroys their body so they probably
went to school for so many years to learn to
be out in space and become an astronaut and do
so many things for for our understanding of what's
out there here in planet earth for for people
who are just doing their everyday life and activities
we are influenced constantly by gravity but it's
how gravity is acting through the body and how
we are loading our our body so this is where
we say structure and function are so interrelated
because if you have a well -functioning skeletal
system your muscles your tissues your fascia
is in good health you know how to move well you
have awareness of your body then the likelihood
that you're going to go through deformation is
very low in that sense You need gravity, but
also the body has to know how to use it, right?
So that you're not working against it. So in
Rothenberg, we'll be saying like gravity is the
doctor, but it is a doctor to a body that is
completely organized or that it's in good health
or a good function through its fascial networks,
through its joint alignments, through its musculoskeletal
function. And that is kind of how it works. I've
tried many therapies over the years, chiropractics,
physiotherapists, orthotics, pedorthists have
altered my shoes, but none of these things really
seem to help the issue. What are some effective
ways that people can correct uneven weight distribution?
Well, I think anything we should always start
with. physical activity if we don't have good
awareness of our body we should always try to
get help from professionals that understand how
joints move or to even within ourselves do an
exploration of what movement feels like and always
having the ability of comparing contrasting so
for example if you're a senior you haven't really
paid attention to your body for a long time and
you're you're now walking around with back pain
or something Even thinking about how are you
loading your weight from one leg to the other?
What is the orientation of one shoulder in comparison
to the other, right? And even the use of a mirror
is really important in that sense because you
might not be able to connect it through your
nervous system, but you're able to see yourself
in the mirror. You see yourself and you're like,
oh, wow, I didn't notice my shoulder was hanging
really low. Oh, I did notice that I could see
my shoulder or my hip are rotated or twisted
in one direction. I think anything and everything
starts with awareness. Are there some simple
tests people can do at home to check for imbalances?
I would say even going to the beach or having
some sort of place where you can imprint your
foot and you can see, oh, okay, well, I can see
the imprint on the right foot and the imprint
on the left foot and you see how your feet might
be turned out. Or one foot might be loading more
on the outside of the arch, and then one might
be more on the inside of the arch. Again, like
I said, the mirror serves as a really good way
of being able to see yourself. I didn't find
out that I had an imbalance until a tailor was
altering a sleeve on my shirt, and he made one
shorter than the other. Yeah, or even something
as simple as, okay, you put your clothes on and
then every single time you put your pants on,
you notice that they're kind of rotating more
to the right or more to the left. Or when you're
doing some sort of activity and your shirt is
always turning one direction or it feels kind
of lower on one side, then that should be an
indication of where your body is. I saw one of
the legs of my nylons that was twisted inward
and I didn't really understand why that was happening.
So that gives you information about how your
body is oriented or compensating and, yeah, what
it's doing. How do movement therapies like rolfing
and osteopathy help correct these issues? So,
again, the body is a unit of function. And when
we're able to bring that into relationship of
structure and function back together in good
health, The body can start to move better. And
so through both, we are restoring the body's
capacity to self -heal and self -regulate and
to move unobstructedly. And so I think they both
accomplish this. Rolfing does it through movement
for education. Osteopathy does it through freeing
up the body, as well as both do that. Are there
any daily habits or exercises people can do to
help with uneven weight distribution? I think
one of the basic things people have tried to
do is just breathe better. That is a really important
thing. Yeah. I mean, most people are walking
around the world breathing poorly, and I think
if we can even bring our attention or awareness
to our breath, then we're able to even notice
even the most obvious things in the body. And
then from there, building... on more depth into
the more subtle things yeah i recently read a
research article that suggested that people that
have achilles tendon injuries have problems with
their hearts later on can you explain the connection
with that yeah so the calf muscles or the lower
leg which connect to the achilles tendon is considered
kind of like the second heart of the the body
obviously we have our main heart inner chest
but the same way the the blood has to go out
into the system or into the body to reach different
tissues whether it's your muscles your organs
or or even who knows like uh like a ligament
of some sort the blessing blood has to come back
right and so the way the lower leg or the the
calf and the achilles work they work as a pump
right so the heart is a pump the lower leg is
pumped that brings the blood back to the heart
and so that pumping action is so important so
that blood can be cycled through the body in
and out all the time so that is kind of the function
of the lower leg and that's how or why it's kind
of considered even if the leg isn't moving it's
a pump it is wow so it is it is through the venous
system which is the passive system so it will
even breathing that's why breathing is important
that is the first thing we do when we come into
the world we take a breath and that is that's
what activates the entire system and so breathing
But more than anything, physical activity. People
think that they need to go and do all these hero
journeys and things like that. But even walking
is a really good way of getting blood back to
the heart. And for example, for people who have
venous insufficiencies or issues with their venous
system, obviously that is an issue with the pumping
system of the lower leg where the blood, the
venous blood is not able to come back as well.
And obviously they need to use other. types of
methods like compressive salts and massage to
get the blood back to the heart circulating.
And now we'll take time for a commercial break.
Welcome back. Yeah. The medical profession seems
to think that the only way to resolve scoliosis
occurring in the spine is to operate. This can
sometimes be a hazardous operation if an error
is made. Please tell us your thoughts based on
your current level of education. What is the
difference between structural and fundamental
scoliosis? Functional is something that can just
come about from daily living, and then structural
is something that somebody is born with. The
more common scoliosis that we hear about is...
It's actually structural scoliosis, which people
are born with. And then functional, sometimes
they're even idiopathic in the sense that they
just come about because of puberty or patterns
in the body where people learn to move in certain
ways and then the body or the spine starts to
accommodate to allow for that curvature. Essentially,
in the scoliosis, it's a three -dimensional change
in curves where they could be happening. in a
side to side or they could be happening in a
front to back or in a combination of a three
-dimensional shape so essentially the the more
the easier ladder of correction happens through
the functional scoliosis and structural scoliosis
are much more difficult to correct but there
it is possible we don't know if sometimes correcting
somebody's scoliosis to its full extent is the
thing to do because the body has also learned
to accommodate around those curves. The organs
only have so much space in there, right? They
only have so much space, but the body just learns
to find a ground from where it can move well.
And so, for example, if you're born with structural
scoliosis, then... Everything within you is going
to organize around those curves. But then if
it's something that you've acquired around time,
then the likelihood of being corrected and then
everything will go to where it's supposed to
be is a lot easier. Many people feel frustrated
when conventional medicine doesn't provide clear
answers for their pain or imbalances. What advice
would you give those searching for alternative
healing options? The body is really complex.
It's got its innate intelligence. And I would
say that my advice would be don't give up on
yourself. I think that the body with the right
tools and the right orientation is able to heal.
Sometimes our way to finding the help is not
so easy. But I think the biggest thing that we
can hope for or the thing that we should seek
out is to find better ways of being and feeling.
What are some key things people should look for
when choosing a practitioner? I think one of
the very important things when seeking a practitioner
is to feel comfortable with them. You're opening
up to somebody who wants to help you in your
healing journey and part of that relationship
has to be one where the... both can have an open
relationship and that there's trust. That's a
big part of it. I think another big element of
it is having a practitioner who is knowledgeable
of the body, right? In a way that they're not
going to create more injuries. So it would suck
to have somebody sweet talk you or talk you in
such a way where you are convinced by what they're
saying, but there's no way of proving how good
they really are. And so I think it's important
to... When you're seeking out a professional,
take your time to hopefully find the best fit
available for you where you are. If not, I've
done this many times where I don't find who I'm
looking for where I'm at, and I feel in a capacity
to go elsewhere to get the health care that I
need and can afford. Do you know where people
can learn more about your work? Yeah, so I have
a website where people can... Help me up. This
is not necessarily about me. This is about the
two professions I'm looking to highlight. And
if you want to learn more about rolfing, you
can go and look up the Rolfing Institute, which
they do plenty of research on the fascia. There's
even a congress that happens every two or three
years, I believe, from parts of the world. I
think about three years ago, there was actually
a congress in Montreal, and they're bringing
scientists of all kinds, even medical doctors
who are interested in learning about the fascia
and everything it does. So I would say that's
an avenue. But then also to learn about osteopathy,
I think it's really worth looking up the story
of how osteopathy came through at a time when
there was desperation. Getting people out of
adjuncts, like drinking alcohol to get rid of
a liver pain, right, when people needed proper
care through a challenging time in the late 1800s.
So I think that doing research on both, on the
story or the history of both of them, and even
for osteopathy, I would seek some of the bigger
colleges that already have a reputation, even
the Andrew Taylor still. that is out in Kirksville,
Missouri, in the U .S. It's so often the case
when someone has a problem and they're trying
to find a solution, which is what happened to
you. You had trouble when you were younger. So
this is how you came into Rolfing, because you
found that it helped you and it impacted you
so much. You wanted to learn it to help others,
and that makes your story stronger, because you
know it works. Yeah, I think that many things
in life come through belief. But you have to
have facts and evidence that something works
and you know it worked for you. Yeah, it definitely
worked for me in my process of being a practitioner
and doing this for work. I've also seen some
really important advances in people's health.
I had a woman at some point who had a cleft palate
and she, in the course of her life, over 40,
45 years, she's had 25 surgeries. So that would
affect her? Yeah, those really big operations.
She was getting an operation almost every two
or three years. Her biggest thing was that she
was unable to move as a dance teacher. her feet
hurt and her face always felt so tight so but
she her biggest concern was her feet because
she was a dance teacher and being a dance teacher
not being able to demonstrate movement was a
really big issue for her and so at one point
she came to me and we worked through her entire
body and and not only did she gain movement back
through her feet but she said she'd never felt
like that in her life Because you've had so many
procedures that it's almost like you're adding
a barrier. Yeah, every time. Every single time
you're adding a scar, you're adding like a patch.
And it's like, where do the patches end? Yeah,
that's a very insightful story on the work that
you're doing. How many years have you been rolfing?
I've been in practice for nine years. Yeah. And
you're in your second or third year of osteopathy?
Yeah, I'm in my second year of osteopathy. And
it's a four -year program. And I really do think
that four years doesn't do justice for the amount
of studying that you have to do. It's an endless,
lifelong study because you never really arrive.
So I think I'll keep studying. After I'm done.
Oh, well, you never stop learning, especially
when you're interested in what you're doing.
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