WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.180 Welcome to Where Science Meets Self -Care with 00:00:03.180 --> 00:00:06.580 Ida Fanelli. With over 30 years in beauty and 00:00:06.580 --> 00:00:09.099 wellness and a background in medical science, 00:00:09.480 --> 00:00:12.960 Ida blends clinical knowledge with holistic care. 00:00:13.220 --> 00:00:16.199 Each week, she and her guests share insights 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:19.679 to help you achieve healthier skin, balanced 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:23.899 energy, and empowered self -care. Now, here's 00:00:23.899 --> 00:00:27.559 your host, Ida Fanelli. I'm joined by Nadia Gonzalez. 00:00:28.780 --> 00:00:33.020 a certified rolfing practitioner, a member of 00:00:33.020 --> 00:00:36.140 the Canadian Rolfing Association, and Nathia 00:00:36.140 --> 00:00:39.420 will be graduating with a master's in osteopathic 00:00:39.420 --> 00:00:45.219 practice. Nathia, welcome. Can you briefly share 00:00:45.219 --> 00:00:48.380 what led you to study rolfing and osteopathy? 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:55.280 Hi, Ida. Thanks for having me. Osteopathy and 00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:58.070 structural integration were rolfing. I'd like 00:00:58.070 --> 00:01:02.890 to start with a quote of both professions. Osteopathy 00:01:02.890 --> 00:01:06.290 is a science that analyzes man and finds that 00:01:06.290 --> 00:01:10.409 he partakes of divine intelligence. And this 00:01:10.409 --> 00:01:13.890 is a quote from Rolfing. This is the gospel of 00:01:13.890 --> 00:01:16.109 Rolfing. When the body gets working appropriately, 00:01:16.510 --> 00:01:19.409 the forces of gravity can flow through, then 00:01:19.409 --> 00:01:23.269 spontaneously the body heals itself. So both 00:01:23.269 --> 00:01:26.980 osteopathy and Rolfing. It came into my life 00:01:26.980 --> 00:01:29.879 at a time when I was having some health issues 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:34.159 where I couldn't find answers to what was going 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:37.480 on. I had a lot of digestive issues, a lot of 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:40.140 issues with my nervous system where I couldn't 00:01:40.140 --> 00:01:44.560 really rest well at night. And I would seek out 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:48.579 the contemporary or the more traditional ways 00:01:48.579 --> 00:01:52.060 of getting therapy, such as physiotherapy or 00:01:52.060 --> 00:01:55.060 going to chiropractors and massage therapies. 00:01:55.689 --> 00:01:59.930 But it seemed the resolution was very short -term 00:01:59.930 --> 00:02:01.790 and short -lived. And I would go back to the 00:02:01.790 --> 00:02:05.049 same cycle or to the same loop of pain and discomfort. 00:02:05.189 --> 00:02:08.909 And there was a sense of feeling like I was in 00:02:08.909 --> 00:02:10.930 that home in my body. I had an encounter with 00:02:10.930 --> 00:02:14.689 a friend where I was describing some of my discomforts 00:02:14.689 --> 00:02:17.710 and my issues. He expressed, have you heard of 00:02:17.710 --> 00:02:20.889 this thing called the brawl thing where they 00:02:20.889 --> 00:02:23.560 work through the entire body and they... they 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:26.580 reorganize the tissues and all of a sudden you 00:02:26.580 --> 00:02:29.719 get really healthy and you get well and you start 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:32.879 to feel better and to me it sounded like something 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:36.300 was completely crazy and off but something was 00:02:36.300 --> 00:02:39.360 resonating about what he had said. I ended up 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:41.979 doing my research for six months about brawling 00:02:41.979 --> 00:02:45.620 and I decided to give it a try because there's 00:02:45.620 --> 00:02:47.379 only so much I could read on the internet until 00:02:47.379 --> 00:02:50.759 I actually had to undergo the experience and 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:54.979 I went through the structural integration experience 00:02:54.979 --> 00:02:57.639 or the rolfing experience and it changed my life 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:00.539 i was able to regain health back i'm very physically 00:03:00.539 --> 00:03:04.599 active doing sports and and all kinds of physical 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:09.000 activities through rolfing i was able to regain 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:12.199 my strength and be at my highest level of performance 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:16.139 as i was before some of this other health difficulties 00:03:16.139 --> 00:03:20.780 it led me to actually study rolfing where i ended 00:03:20.780 --> 00:03:24.400 up going to to Salt Lake City where there's a 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:26.539 school called the Guild for Structural Integration 00:03:26.539 --> 00:03:30.560 where where they teach a whole thing and I am 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:33.960 now a practitioner myself and I've been in practice 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:38.539 for over 10 years and now that I've been in practice 00:03:38.539 --> 00:03:42.419 for 10 years I've been seeking more depth in 00:03:42.419 --> 00:03:45.259 in my understanding of the body not only just 00:03:45.259 --> 00:03:49.659 for myself but also for my clients and I'm always 00:03:49.659 --> 00:03:53.020 left with questions about why does the body do 00:03:53.020 --> 00:03:56.180 this? Why does it happen this way? Why is there 00:03:56.180 --> 00:04:02.879 existence? In that process, I somehow found osteopathy, 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:07.060 and I ended up seeking a school where I could 00:04:07.060 --> 00:04:09.740 learn it, and currently I'm in school in Canada, 00:04:09.900 --> 00:04:15.490 learning to become a... osteopathic manual practitioner 00:04:15.490 --> 00:04:18.089 i'm halfway through my studies and it's really 00:04:18.089 --> 00:04:21.529 beautiful how both of them are really coming 00:04:21.529 --> 00:04:24.329 together in the sense where we're looking to 00:04:24.329 --> 00:04:28.230 restore the body's capacity to self -heal and 00:04:28.230 --> 00:04:31.449 self -regulate and its innate mechanisms of being 00:04:31.449 --> 00:04:33.889 healthy because i think at some point we are 00:04:33.889 --> 00:04:37.870 all born healthy generally and it is through 00:04:37.870 --> 00:04:42.209 the passing of life our experiences that we fall 00:04:42.209 --> 00:04:45.889 into dis -ease, able to regain health. And in 00:04:45.889 --> 00:04:50.370 order to do that, we have to have help from different 00:04:50.370 --> 00:04:54.189 professionals or from plants or from the natural 00:04:54.189 --> 00:04:57.569 world to get our health back. How does Rolfing 00:04:57.569 --> 00:05:01.170 work with the fascia to improve posture and muscle 00:05:01.170 --> 00:05:06.110 movement? So Rolfing essentially works on the 00:05:06.110 --> 00:05:09.029 biggest network or connective tissue that's found 00:05:09.029 --> 00:05:11.709 in the body, which is called the fascia. Right 00:05:11.709 --> 00:05:14.449 now, fascia is a term that's really in. We hear 00:05:14.449 --> 00:05:17.269 the myofascia and myofasciitis. But it's really 00:05:17.269 --> 00:05:19.949 been around for a really long time. I think we 00:05:19.949 --> 00:05:24.310 find the connective tissue in all sorts of animals. 00:05:24.490 --> 00:05:26.930 And we find it in the animal kingdom. We find 00:05:26.930 --> 00:05:30.529 it in the plants. Even the cell wall of a plant 00:05:30.529 --> 00:05:32.810 is a form of connective tissue. So essentially, 00:05:32.949 --> 00:05:37.199 the fascia is a tissue that... serves for protection 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:40.519 and serves as passageways for the nerves the 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:43.399 arteries the veins and all kinds of fluids in 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:48.720 the body it also is a protective mechanism and 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:52.339 it just helps the body stay contained so like 00:05:52.339 --> 00:05:56.540 a wrapper that comes involved in all all different 00:05:56.540 --> 00:05:59.040 layers of the body so we have superficial intermediate 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:03.259 and deep layers of fascia that encapsulate our 00:06:03.259 --> 00:06:07.620 nervous system our muscles our organs and everything 00:06:07.620 --> 00:06:10.920 that we are that's kind of keeping us together 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:16.620 so it is a tissue of support and it is made up 00:06:16.620 --> 00:06:20.319 of collagen fibers which are deeply interwoven 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:22.459 in different ways eventually we talk about them 00:06:22.459 --> 00:06:25.889 as being dense irregular connective tissue or 00:06:25.889 --> 00:06:29.529 dense regular connective tissue. And the difference 00:06:29.529 --> 00:06:32.410 between dense irregular and dense regular is 00:06:32.410 --> 00:06:35.670 essentially how the fibers are oriented. So, 00:06:35.750 --> 00:06:40.149 for example, we look at our Achilles tendon or 00:06:40.149 --> 00:06:43.360 the tendon that leads into from our calves into 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:46.759 our foot that is considered a dense regular connective 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:49.579 tissue because the fiber orientation is all organized 00:06:49.579 --> 00:06:53.199 in a way that allows force to try to be transferred 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:56.740 from the foot up the leg and from the leg down 00:06:56.740 --> 00:07:00.439 into the foot into the ground and so the fibers 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:03.920 are all kind of in a specific order and there's 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:07.939 also a specific texture and quality to the dense 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:11.480 regular connective tissue but if you think about 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:13.459 all the dense irregular connective tissue which 00:07:13.459 --> 00:07:18.000 we find in other areas of the body maybe in and 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:20.160 around the knee where there's got to be movements 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:22.699 that need to happen in different directions and 00:07:22.699 --> 00:07:24.800 there might be a different fiber orientation 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:27.959 where it's not so clear but then at the end of 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:31.000 the day it is there to protect us and allow us 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:33.300 to move in different ways and different planes 00:07:33.300 --> 00:07:35.560 and different different motions and to allow 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:38.819 movement to happen and in simultaneous ways where 00:07:38.819 --> 00:07:42.339 we're not even able to to conceptualize how the 00:07:42.339 --> 00:07:45.160 body is organizing or orchestrating everything 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:49.459 that it allows what can someone expect from a 00:07:49.459 --> 00:07:54.100 typical rolfing session so a typical rolfing 00:07:54.100 --> 00:07:58.139 session generally we work with like i said we 00:07:58.139 --> 00:08:03.000 work with the fascia so in a session we can expect 00:08:03.950 --> 00:08:05.810 organization to happen in different areas of 00:08:05.810 --> 00:08:07.730 the body so for example if somebody comes in 00:08:07.730 --> 00:08:10.430 with difficulties breathing we can work through 00:08:10.430 --> 00:08:12.930 the rib cage freeing up the tissue depending 00:08:12.930 --> 00:08:15.670 on the health of the tissue of the health of 00:08:15.670 --> 00:08:18.310 the connective tissue then some areas might be 00:08:18.310 --> 00:08:21.069 painful but generally it feels a sense of relief 00:08:21.069 --> 00:08:24.170 a sense of opening a sense of creating more room 00:08:24.170 --> 00:08:27.560 for the body to be able to inhabitants itself 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:31.500 but also in a session you can expect movement 00:08:31.500 --> 00:08:34.240 re -education you can expect the nervous system 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:37.580 to be able to create new pathways in such a way 00:08:37.580 --> 00:08:40.960 where this new information that is laid down 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:43.940 is available to the person to be able to use 00:08:43.940 --> 00:08:48.559 out in the world so bringing in movement and 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:51.360 awareness to the body so it is very interesting 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:54.620 it's hard to explain it is almost like a internal 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:57.759 stretch that's happening to the tissues where 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:00.980 more space is created to allow for a better movement. 00:09:02.299 --> 00:09:05.299 You're also studying another form of manual therapy, 00:09:05.620 --> 00:09:09.580 osteopathy. Can you explain what it is and how 00:09:09.580 --> 00:09:12.759 it compares with rolfing? That's a really tough 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:15.340 question to answer. I'm still in the process 00:09:15.340 --> 00:09:20.700 of understanding how they're both an extension 00:09:20.700 --> 00:09:24.340 of each other. What I can say about osteopathy 00:09:24.340 --> 00:09:28.059 is that it is is the father or it is the root 00:09:28.059 --> 00:09:31.220 of the many professions that we see now so for 00:09:31.220 --> 00:09:33.480 example we see chiropractics is an extension 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:37.799 or was initially was a component of osteopathy 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:40.460 but then it was taken out and converted into 00:09:40.460 --> 00:09:44.580 or to whatever it is now we see rolfing now specialized 00:09:44.580 --> 00:09:47.879 ways of moving the fascia but even when doctors 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:52.860 still talked about osteopathy in the mid to late 00:09:52.860 --> 00:09:56.220 1800s he was the first to talk about the fascia 00:09:56.220 --> 00:09:59.419 and then from there there's just been a branching 00:09:59.419 --> 00:10:02.559 of things that have come out of osteopathy so 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:06.309 it's hard to really say that which one's best, 00:10:06.409 --> 00:10:08.870 which one's better. They're similar, but they're 00:10:08.870 --> 00:10:11.190 different at the same time. But the goal of both 00:10:11.190 --> 00:10:14.149 of them is to accomplish the body's innate capacity 00:10:14.149 --> 00:10:17.789 to just self -heal, self -regulate, to just create 00:10:17.789 --> 00:10:20.029 that interrelationship between the structure 00:10:20.029 --> 00:10:23.070 and the function of the body because one is not 00:10:23.070 --> 00:10:26.029 without the other. And now we'll take time for 00:10:26.029 --> 00:10:32.490 a commercial break. Welcome back. How does osteopathy 00:10:32.490 --> 00:10:35.690 help with postural alignment and chronic pain? 00:10:36.929 --> 00:10:40.870 So, osteopathy helps with postural alignment 00:10:40.870 --> 00:10:43.870 and chronic pain because we are working with 00:10:43.870 --> 00:10:48.230 the anatomy, the physiology, and we are working 00:10:48.230 --> 00:10:52.230 through the body's innate mechanical ability. 00:10:52.409 --> 00:10:56.350 So, for example, we have Joints that have a very 00:10:56.350 --> 00:10:59.370 specific way of moving, but then when they get 00:10:59.370 --> 00:11:03.029 stuck or when they're injured, then the flow 00:11:03.029 --> 00:11:07.250 of energy, the flow of movement is obstructed. 00:11:07.350 --> 00:11:11.850 And so through osteopathy, we are seeking to 00:11:11.850 --> 00:11:14.769 restore the movement through mechanical lines 00:11:14.769 --> 00:11:18.929 of forces. So there's also a methodology to being 00:11:18.929 --> 00:11:23.350 able to bring the body back into health. through 00:11:23.350 --> 00:11:27.049 how it best moves, which is through its intelligent 00:11:27.049 --> 00:11:31.309 geometry, its intelligence of muscles, its intelligence 00:11:31.309 --> 00:11:36.389 of fascia, its intelligence of the four rivers 00:11:36.389 --> 00:11:38.909 of life, which would be the nervous system, the 00:11:38.909 --> 00:11:41.450 arteries, the veins, and the lymphatics, and 00:11:41.450 --> 00:11:44.690 being able to bring movement and the quality 00:11:44.690 --> 00:11:48.730 of health back into the areas that are not moving. 00:11:49.740 --> 00:11:52.820 What are the key differences between osteopathy, 00:11:52.860 --> 00:11:56.700 chiropractic care, and rolfing? That's also a 00:11:56.700 --> 00:11:58.799 tough question to answer. I don't know that I've 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:01.700 studied chiropractics enough to be able to answer 00:12:01.700 --> 00:12:05.580 the question, but I do know that in both osteopathy 00:12:05.580 --> 00:12:12.279 and rolfing, we use low amplitude force to be 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:14.500 able to change the tissue because you need some 00:12:14.500 --> 00:12:18.960 sort of force to be able to have a tissue that's 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.080 not moving to a tissue that is really moving. 00:12:22.179 --> 00:12:24.200 We don't crack the back. We don't do cracking. 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:26.460 In its early beginnings, there was some of that, 00:12:26.500 --> 00:12:29.360 and maybe that's where part of chiropractics 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:32.100 took force, because it came out of osteopathy. 00:12:32.460 --> 00:12:35.159 But essentially, I think we're all looking to 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:39.820 restore the body in some shape or form. I mean, 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:43.120 osteopathy deals with bones, and it deals with 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:46.379 the musculoskeletal system. and the structure 00:12:46.379 --> 00:12:49.600 and the function of of everything and bringing 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:54.000 it through and back to its original form which 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:57.500 is a body that is working appropriately and then 00:12:57.500 --> 00:13:01.580 in rolfing we're looking to do the same but we're 00:13:01.580 --> 00:13:04.059 also seeking to align body and the force of gravity 00:13:04.059 --> 00:13:07.419 because when forces are acting on the body in 00:13:07.419 --> 00:13:09.679 ways that it's not supported to its structure 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:12.139 then it then we start to go through deformation 00:13:12.139 --> 00:13:16.000 right so You're studying both of these techniques 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:19.960 because you'd like to do them together. It's 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:23.139 hard to say that they're separate from each other. 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:27.580 I think that there's... I obviously study rolfing 00:13:27.580 --> 00:13:30.340 first and constantly studying and constantly 00:13:30.340 --> 00:13:33.679 reading. I'm trying to make my understanding 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:37.820 greater each time. But also I'm studying osteopathy. 00:13:37.820 --> 00:13:40.779 I'm finding that... Sometimes the line is not 00:13:40.779 --> 00:13:44.799 so black and white between them. It's quite beautiful. 00:13:45.259 --> 00:13:48.559 But I don't know how long or whether that's going 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:51.539 to look like in the future. But it's exciting 00:13:51.539 --> 00:13:54.059 because I think that there is a true capacity 00:13:54.059 --> 00:13:56.299 for the body to get healthy. And this is just 00:13:56.299 --> 00:13:59.360 these two together are a form of doing that. 00:13:59.960 --> 00:14:03.059 Years ago, I was in an event where a chiropractor 00:14:03.059 --> 00:14:07.149 was allowing people to weigh one. leg on one 00:14:07.149 --> 00:14:10.610 scale and one leg on another scale and from that 00:14:10.610 --> 00:14:13.509 experience i found that my left leg carried 11 00:14:13.509 --> 00:14:16.769 pounds more than my right and this makes sense 00:14:16.769 --> 00:14:21.490 to me because of my hip displacement can this 00:14:21.490 --> 00:14:25.029 be causing more strain on my muscles joints and 00:14:25.029 --> 00:14:30.049 spine nathia yeah for sure um the body is always 00:14:30.049 --> 00:14:34.299 going to find ways of compensating or is going 00:14:34.299 --> 00:14:38.080 to find ways to move where there's the least 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:40.580 resistance. So if you had an injury or if you've 00:14:40.580 --> 00:14:45.080 had a congenital condition or you even acquire 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:47.720 something later in time, then the body will shift 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:51.960 its normal, what we would consider as normal 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:55.379 orientation, very specific joints to be able 00:14:55.379 --> 00:14:58.710 to accommodate any change. that will try to bring 00:14:58.710 --> 00:15:00.710 the body into symmetry so for example if you 00:15:00.710 --> 00:15:05.110 have the hip displays one leg begins to to feel 00:15:05.110 --> 00:15:08.149 and be longer than the other then somewhere in 00:15:08.149 --> 00:15:10.210 the shoulder or somewhere in the hip or somewhere 00:15:10.210 --> 00:15:12.870 else the body has to counter those forces to 00:15:12.870 --> 00:15:16.250 be able to kind of bring you back to a horizontal 00:15:16.250 --> 00:15:22.230 plane or to be able to stabilize you is it mean 00:15:22.230 --> 00:15:25.070 when one leg carries more weight than another 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:28.240 I would just say it's just a form of compensation. 00:15:28.340 --> 00:15:32.580 And I think that through osteopathy and rolfing 00:15:32.580 --> 00:15:35.840 and therapies that are seeking to bring the parts 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:39.179 into the whole and then integrate the whole into 00:15:39.179 --> 00:15:43.279 the parts, then we are thinking. In terms of 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:45.399 relationships, we're not thinking of just a single 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:47.879 hip or a single foot, because at the end of the 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:49.740 day, we're not a walking foot, we're not a walking 00:15:49.740 --> 00:15:52.639 hip, we're a walking being, or we're a moving 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:55.840 being, or we're a whole person that comes integrated 00:15:55.840 --> 00:15:58.139 with different things and different functions, 00:15:58.179 --> 00:16:01.399 and all of us have to be able to work in concert 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:05.600 well so that we are in good health. Are there 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:08.299 any long -term effects on this imbalance in the 00:16:08.299 --> 00:16:11.639 body? As I was saying earlier, compensations 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:14.500 would wreak havoc on the body where you might 00:16:14.500 --> 00:16:18.600 feel your foot at first falling apart or it's 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:21.000 not really working well and then it'll travel 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:23.620 to your hip or travel to your shoulder and then 00:16:23.620 --> 00:16:27.299 it'll start creating issues not only at the level 00:16:27.299 --> 00:16:29.299 of the joints but also at the level of the organs 00:16:29.299 --> 00:16:31.899 because everything is so interconnected. So right 00:16:31.899 --> 00:16:35.419 around the crease of the hip we have, let's say 00:16:35.419 --> 00:16:41.090 for example, our bladder. right and then all 00:16:41.090 --> 00:16:43.909 of a sudden you start to limp on that side and 00:16:43.909 --> 00:16:46.330 then imagine the forces and the pressures that 00:16:46.330 --> 00:16:49.669 that organ and everything around it has to deal 00:16:49.669 --> 00:16:53.590 with in order to be able to keep you somewhat 00:16:53.590 --> 00:16:56.269 symmetrical and what and then something else 00:16:56.269 --> 00:16:58.470 is going to give you know and then so you start 00:16:58.470 --> 00:17:00.990 to feel your bladder but then next thing you 00:17:00.990 --> 00:17:03.230 know a few years later You start to feel your 00:17:03.230 --> 00:17:05.150 lung and you have this cough and you're like, 00:17:05.190 --> 00:17:06.930 I don't know where this cough came from. And 00:17:06.930 --> 00:17:10.730 then there's just this loop of things where we're 00:17:10.730 --> 00:17:14.329 trying to solve one thing or diagnose one thing. 00:17:14.390 --> 00:17:17.029 But what is the full body diagnosis? What is 00:17:17.029 --> 00:17:21.549 going on? I said like the body equally integrated. 00:17:22.670 --> 00:17:27.130 Right. So we think about it in that way. How 00:17:27.130 --> 00:17:30.210 does fascia contribute to chronic pain and movement 00:17:30.210 --> 00:17:35.710 restrictions? So the fascia, from the words of 00:17:35.710 --> 00:17:39.089 Dr. A .T. Still, he wrote a quote here somewhere, 00:17:39.170 --> 00:17:42.089 if I can pull it up. Read this quote. Solve us 00:17:42.089 --> 00:17:46.470 to the part it takes in life and death. It belts 00:17:46.470 --> 00:17:50.230 each muscle, vein, nerve, and all organs of the 00:17:50.230 --> 00:17:53.170 body. It is almost a network of nerves, cells, 00:17:53.269 --> 00:17:57.109 and tubes running to and from it. It is crossed 00:17:57.109 --> 00:17:59.230 and filled with, no doubt, millions of nerve 00:17:59.230 --> 00:18:02.480 centers and fibers to carry. on the work of the 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:05.880 secreting and excreting fluids of the vital and 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:09.180 destructive things in life. By its action, we 00:18:09.180 --> 00:18:11.599 live, and by its failure, we shrink or swell 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:14.440 and die. Each muscle plays its part in an active 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:18.220 life. Each fiber of all muscles owes its pliability 00:18:18.220 --> 00:18:21.519 to that yielding septum washer. He's just talking 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:24.319 about the fascia here. That gives all muscles 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:28.420 help to glide over and around all adjacent ligaments 00:18:28.420 --> 00:18:33.630 without friction or jar. It not only lubricates 00:18:33.630 --> 00:18:35.549 the fibers that gives nourishment to all parts 00:18:35.549 --> 00:18:38.769 of the body. Its nerves are so abundant that 00:18:38.769 --> 00:18:41.789 no atom or flesh fails to get nerve and fluid 00:18:41.789 --> 00:18:44.829 supply therefrom. So here he's talking about 00:18:44.829 --> 00:18:48.029 the fascia and how it's so important to allow 00:18:48.029 --> 00:18:52.089 the freedom of movement to occur in the body. 00:18:52.430 --> 00:18:55.269 And through science, we're being able to find 00:18:55.269 --> 00:18:58.390 that it is the fascia all throughout the body. 00:18:58.430 --> 00:19:02.849 It is the organ that has the most... nervous 00:19:02.849 --> 00:19:05.609 innervations or connections in the body. So for 00:19:05.609 --> 00:19:07.029 example, you might be thinking you're moving 00:19:07.029 --> 00:19:10.569 your one finger, but all of that is probably 00:19:10.569 --> 00:19:12.630 even connected to your foot and you're not even 00:19:12.630 --> 00:19:16.410 moving your foot, right? So from a very distal 00:19:16.410 --> 00:19:20.210 structure, the entire system is being affected 00:19:20.210 --> 00:19:22.869 or influenced by one thing that you do. So and 00:19:22.869 --> 00:19:24.650 then unhealthy fascia really is the beginning 00:19:24.650 --> 00:19:29.109 of any kind of disease or unease in the body. 00:19:29.470 --> 00:19:31.849 fascia is the organ that carries the highest 00:19:31.849 --> 00:19:36.410 level of nerve innervation so essentially the 00:19:36.410 --> 00:19:38.569 mastermind of the nervous system is the brain 00:19:38.569 --> 00:19:42.789 right so the brain controls everything and if 00:19:42.789 --> 00:19:45.509 the brain controls everything controls the nervous 00:19:45.509 --> 00:19:50.349 system and the fascia is fully embedded with 00:19:50.349 --> 00:19:56.089 nerve fibers then we can say that if the nerves 00:19:56.089 --> 00:19:59.259 are not working well then obviously the blood 00:19:59.259 --> 00:20:02.319 supply and the blood drainage to and from an 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:04.579 area the quality of movement is going to change 00:20:04.579 --> 00:20:07.880 and so therefore it's a chain of events that 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:11.200 changes the way the body functions and now we'll 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:15.720 take time for a commercial break welcome back 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:19.960 yes i had a hand surgery in september and you 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:23.220 were very concerned about scarring from my hand 00:20:23.220 --> 00:20:26.960 surgery and you had noticed that certain things 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:30.079 that were happening in my body as a result of 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:32.619 the hand surgery, which you were trying to correct. 00:20:32.819 --> 00:20:35.920 So I do appreciate that. What other forms of 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:38.579 scarring should people be concerned about? As 00:20:38.579 --> 00:20:41.220 I was saying earlier, it's also a form of connective 00:20:41.220 --> 00:20:42.920 tissue, but it's a different type of connective 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:46.720 tissue. It's a connective tissue that is a response 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:50.119 to the body trying to heal itself, but then the 00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:53.750 way the fibers are laid down, It's done in such 00:20:53.750 --> 00:20:56.890 a way where it's almost like putting a whole 00:20:56.890 --> 00:21:01.470 bunch of duct tape around a hole to keep the 00:21:01.470 --> 00:21:04.410 air from coming in or from keeping something 00:21:04.410 --> 00:21:06.869 from coming out. And it's tough and it's resilient, 00:21:07.170 --> 00:21:11.309 but it's not properly oriented. So through scars, 00:21:11.670 --> 00:21:14.109 of course, the body is creating a shield. It's 00:21:14.109 --> 00:21:18.450 a way of protecting. It's also a tissue that 00:21:18.450 --> 00:21:22.690 no longer has the same qualities of the tissue 00:21:22.690 --> 00:21:25.410 that's healthy and so that's why it's so important 00:21:25.410 --> 00:21:28.670 to whenever you get a surgery or whenever you 00:21:28.670 --> 00:21:30.890 have some sort of procedure you have an injury 00:21:30.890 --> 00:21:34.230 where you get a deep cut and you get a scar specifically 00:21:34.230 --> 00:21:38.130 the deep scars to have it worked on because that 00:21:38.130 --> 00:21:42.490 in itself can also create obstructions not only 00:21:42.490 --> 00:21:44.230 in that particular area in the body but then 00:21:44.230 --> 00:21:46.809 the fascia everywhere and all around will have 00:21:46.809 --> 00:21:49.619 to accommodate for that because there's almost 00:21:49.619 --> 00:21:52.480 like a integrity model where you shift one thing 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:55.140 in one one direction something else will have 00:21:55.140 --> 00:21:58.200 to give in order to be able to bring that system 00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:02.069 into homeostasis again It's unfortunate that 00:22:02.069 --> 00:22:04.450 the medical profession doesn't educate the public 00:22:04.450 --> 00:22:07.549 on this fact because when they do operate on 00:22:07.549 --> 00:22:10.410 people, they know contractures are a definite 00:22:10.410 --> 00:22:13.410 issue, which is why they suggest that the patients 00:22:13.410 --> 00:22:16.890 go to physiotherapists. But I find that physiotherapists 00:22:16.890 --> 00:22:19.509 don't really get to the root of the problem all 00:22:19.509 --> 00:22:23.210 the time. I do certainly think that they help 00:22:23.210 --> 00:22:27.069 and that they have the role in helping people. 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:32.359 gain some sort of movement back which is so important 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:34.960 you know what medical professions they're all 00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:37.220 so concerned about what they're do what they're 00:22:37.220 --> 00:22:40.059 best at you know so they're diagnostics but they're 00:22:40.059 --> 00:22:42.160 they're also really good at surgical procedures 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:44.180 but they don't think about the repercussions 00:22:44.180 --> 00:22:48.640 that these procedures leave for people post -surgery 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:51.579 so you could be needing a surgery to get a cyst 00:22:51.579 --> 00:22:54.220 or something removed but what happens after that 00:22:54.220 --> 00:22:57.279 like how is the system Having an opportunity 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:00.880 to adjust. What is the rehabilitation process 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:03.779 after that? And how is that done in such a way 00:23:03.779 --> 00:23:07.559 that the body can come back almost to its normal 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:12.019 state, right? You've mentioned before that fascia 00:23:12.019 --> 00:23:14.859 plays a big role in body alignment. Can you explain 00:23:14.859 --> 00:23:17.940 how it does that? So role playing plays a really 00:23:17.940 --> 00:23:21.940 big role in body alignment because we are seeking 00:23:21.940 --> 00:23:26.140 to integrate the body. in the force of gravity 00:23:26.140 --> 00:23:29.359 so you think about astronauts that go out in 00:23:29.359 --> 00:23:32.099 space a lot of them they start to deteriorate 00:23:32.099 --> 00:23:35.119 like when they go out in space the lack of gravity 00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:38.539 actually destroys their body so they probably 00:23:38.539 --> 00:23:40.920 went to school for so many years to learn to 00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:43.740 be out in space and become an astronaut and do 00:23:43.740 --> 00:23:46.180 so many things for for our understanding of what's 00:23:46.180 --> 00:23:49.680 out there here in planet earth for for people 00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:52.359 who are just doing their everyday life and activities 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:58.410 we are influenced constantly by gravity but it's 00:23:58.410 --> 00:24:01.750 how gravity is acting through the body and how 00:24:01.750 --> 00:24:05.750 we are loading our our body so this is where 00:24:05.750 --> 00:24:08.329 we say structure and function are so interrelated 00:24:08.329 --> 00:24:11.349 because if you have a well -functioning skeletal 00:24:11.349 --> 00:24:14.309 system your muscles your tissues your fascia 00:24:14.309 --> 00:24:16.869 is in good health you know how to move well you 00:24:16.869 --> 00:24:19.730 have awareness of your body then the likelihood 00:24:19.730 --> 00:24:21.990 that you're going to go through deformation is 00:24:21.990 --> 00:24:26.690 very low in that sense You need gravity, but 00:24:26.690 --> 00:24:30.109 also the body has to know how to use it, right? 00:24:30.190 --> 00:24:32.470 So that you're not working against it. So in 00:24:32.470 --> 00:24:35.809 Rothenberg, we'll be saying like gravity is the 00:24:35.809 --> 00:24:40.349 doctor, but it is a doctor to a body that is 00:24:40.349 --> 00:24:43.490 completely organized or that it's in good health 00:24:43.490 --> 00:24:45.490 or a good function through its fascial networks, 00:24:45.829 --> 00:24:48.650 through its joint alignments, through its musculoskeletal 00:24:48.650 --> 00:24:52.809 function. And that is kind of how it works. I've 00:24:52.809 --> 00:24:56.289 tried many therapies over the years, chiropractics, 00:24:56.329 --> 00:25:02.990 physiotherapists, orthotics, pedorthists have 00:25:02.990 --> 00:25:06.829 altered my shoes, but none of these things really 00:25:06.829 --> 00:25:12.190 seem to help the issue. What are some effective 00:25:12.190 --> 00:25:15.329 ways that people can correct uneven weight distribution? 00:25:17.730 --> 00:25:20.309 Well, I think anything we should always start 00:25:20.309 --> 00:25:24.299 with. physical activity if we don't have good 00:25:24.299 --> 00:25:26.519 awareness of our body we should always try to 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:30.700 get help from professionals that understand how 00:25:30.700 --> 00:25:35.220 joints move or to even within ourselves do an 00:25:35.220 --> 00:25:38.619 exploration of what movement feels like and always 00:25:38.619 --> 00:25:41.299 having the ability of comparing contrasting so 00:25:41.299 --> 00:25:44.119 for example if you're a senior you haven't really 00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:46.119 paid attention to your body for a long time and 00:25:46.119 --> 00:25:48.420 you're you're now walking around with back pain 00:25:48.420 --> 00:25:51.180 or something Even thinking about how are you 00:25:51.180 --> 00:25:53.319 loading your weight from one leg to the other? 00:25:53.740 --> 00:25:57.420 What is the orientation of one shoulder in comparison 00:25:57.420 --> 00:26:01.099 to the other, right? And even the use of a mirror 00:26:01.099 --> 00:26:02.799 is really important in that sense because you 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:04.779 might not be able to connect it through your 00:26:04.779 --> 00:26:07.359 nervous system, but you're able to see yourself 00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:08.759 in the mirror. You see yourself and you're like, 00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:11.599 oh, wow, I didn't notice my shoulder was hanging 00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:14.980 really low. Oh, I did notice that I could see 00:26:14.980 --> 00:26:17.539 my shoulder or my hip are rotated or twisted 00:26:17.539 --> 00:26:20.680 in one direction. I think anything and everything 00:26:20.680 --> 00:26:26.420 starts with awareness. Are there some simple 00:26:26.420 --> 00:26:30.099 tests people can do at home to check for imbalances? 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:34.420 I would say even going to the beach or having 00:26:34.420 --> 00:26:37.039 some sort of place where you can imprint your 00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:40.579 foot and you can see, oh, okay, well, I can see 00:26:40.579 --> 00:26:42.359 the imprint on the right foot and the imprint 00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:46.740 on the left foot and you see how your feet might 00:26:46.740 --> 00:26:49.630 be turned out. Or one foot might be loading more 00:26:49.630 --> 00:26:52.009 on the outside of the arch, and then one might 00:26:52.009 --> 00:26:55.170 be more on the inside of the arch. Again, like 00:26:55.170 --> 00:26:57.690 I said, the mirror serves as a really good way 00:26:57.690 --> 00:27:01.190 of being able to see yourself. I didn't find 00:27:01.190 --> 00:27:03.869 out that I had an imbalance until a tailor was 00:27:03.869 --> 00:27:07.829 altering a sleeve on my shirt, and he made one 00:27:07.829 --> 00:27:12.059 shorter than the other. Yeah, or even something 00:27:12.059 --> 00:27:14.819 as simple as, okay, you put your clothes on and 00:27:14.819 --> 00:27:16.859 then every single time you put your pants on, 00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:18.799 you notice that they're kind of rotating more 00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:20.900 to the right or more to the left. Or when you're 00:27:20.900 --> 00:27:22.799 doing some sort of activity and your shirt is 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:25.400 always turning one direction or it feels kind 00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:27.839 of lower on one side, then that should be an 00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:31.440 indication of where your body is. I saw one of 00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:34.319 the legs of my nylons that was twisted inward 00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:36.880 and I didn't really understand why that was happening. 00:27:37.369 --> 00:27:39.430 So that gives you information about how your 00:27:39.430 --> 00:27:43.309 body is oriented or compensating and, yeah, what 00:27:43.309 --> 00:27:47.329 it's doing. How do movement therapies like rolfing 00:27:47.329 --> 00:27:51.109 and osteopathy help correct these issues? So, 00:27:51.109 --> 00:27:56.710 again, the body is a unit of function. And when 00:27:56.710 --> 00:28:01.089 we're able to bring that into relationship of 00:28:01.089 --> 00:28:04.450 structure and function back together in good 00:28:04.450 --> 00:28:08.190 health, The body can start to move better. And 00:28:08.190 --> 00:28:12.470 so through both, we are restoring the body's 00:28:12.470 --> 00:28:15.269 capacity to self -heal and self -regulate and 00:28:15.269 --> 00:28:18.690 to move unobstructedly. And so I think they both 00:28:18.690 --> 00:28:22.609 accomplish this. Rolfing does it through movement 00:28:22.609 --> 00:28:25.769 for education. Osteopathy does it through freeing 00:28:25.769 --> 00:28:32.119 up the body, as well as both do that. Are there 00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:35.140 any daily habits or exercises people can do to 00:28:35.140 --> 00:28:39.480 help with uneven weight distribution? I think 00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:41.259 one of the basic things people have tried to 00:28:41.259 --> 00:28:43.400 do is just breathe better. That is a really important 00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:46.140 thing. Yeah. I mean, most people are walking 00:28:46.140 --> 00:28:48.960 around the world breathing poorly, and I think 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.339 if we can even bring our attention or awareness 00:28:51.339 --> 00:28:53.940 to our breath, then we're able to even notice 00:28:53.940 --> 00:28:59.460 even the most obvious things in the body. And 00:28:59.460 --> 00:29:03.289 then from there, building... on more depth into 00:29:03.289 --> 00:29:07.369 the more subtle things yeah i recently read a 00:29:07.369 --> 00:29:11.069 research article that suggested that people that 00:29:11.069 --> 00:29:13.630 have achilles tendon injuries have problems with 00:29:13.630 --> 00:29:16.569 their hearts later on can you explain the connection 00:29:16.569 --> 00:29:22.470 with that yeah so the calf muscles or the lower 00:29:22.470 --> 00:29:25.470 leg which connect to the achilles tendon is considered 00:29:25.470 --> 00:29:28.170 kind of like the second heart of the the body 00:29:28.170 --> 00:29:31.440 obviously we have our main heart inner chest 00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:35.519 but the same way the the blood has to go out 00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:39.039 into the system or into the body to reach different 00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:41.920 tissues whether it's your muscles your organs 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:47.019 or or even who knows like uh like a ligament 00:29:47.019 --> 00:29:49.799 of some sort the blessing blood has to come back 00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:53.720 right and so the way the lower leg or the the 00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:56.059 calf and the achilles work they work as a pump 00:29:56.059 --> 00:29:59.490 right so the heart is a pump the lower leg is 00:29:59.490 --> 00:30:01.549 pumped that brings the blood back to the heart 00:30:01.549 --> 00:30:04.609 and so that pumping action is so important so 00:30:04.609 --> 00:30:08.509 that blood can be cycled through the body in 00:30:08.509 --> 00:30:11.069 and out all the time so that is kind of the function 00:30:11.069 --> 00:30:14.289 of the lower leg and that's how or why it's kind 00:30:14.289 --> 00:30:16.730 of considered even if the leg isn't moving it's 00:30:16.730 --> 00:30:22.170 a pump it is wow so it is it is through the venous 00:30:22.170 --> 00:30:24.619 system which is the passive system so it will 00:30:24.619 --> 00:30:26.960 even breathing that's why breathing is important 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:29.680 that is the first thing we do when we come into 00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:31.920 the world we take a breath and that is that's 00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:34.819 what activates the entire system and so breathing 00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:37.500 But more than anything, physical activity. People 00:30:37.500 --> 00:30:40.839 think that they need to go and do all these hero 00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:43.400 journeys and things like that. But even walking 00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:45.880 is a really good way of getting blood back to 00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:48.859 the heart. And for example, for people who have 00:30:48.859 --> 00:30:51.759 venous insufficiencies or issues with their venous 00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:54.619 system, obviously that is an issue with the pumping 00:30:54.619 --> 00:30:58.259 system of the lower leg where the blood, the 00:30:58.259 --> 00:31:01.779 venous blood is not able to come back as well. 00:31:01.819 --> 00:31:04.460 And obviously they need to use other. types of 00:31:04.460 --> 00:31:07.420 methods like compressive salts and massage to 00:31:07.420 --> 00:31:09.599 get the blood back to the heart circulating. 00:31:10.700 --> 00:31:13.279 And now we'll take time for a commercial break. 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:21.099 Welcome back. Yeah. The medical profession seems 00:31:21.099 --> 00:31:23.519 to think that the only way to resolve scoliosis 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:27.420 occurring in the spine is to operate. This can 00:31:27.420 --> 00:31:30.160 sometimes be a hazardous operation if an error 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.279 is made. Please tell us your thoughts based on 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:35.940 your current level of education. What is the 00:31:35.940 --> 00:31:37.960 difference between structural and fundamental 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:42.000 scoliosis? Functional is something that can just 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.519 come about from daily living, and then structural 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.339 is something that somebody is born with. The 00:31:48.339 --> 00:31:51.059 more common scoliosis that we hear about is... 00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:53.380 It's actually structural scoliosis, which people 00:31:53.380 --> 00:31:55.960 are born with. And then functional, sometimes 00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:59.039 they're even idiopathic in the sense that they 00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:01.799 just come about because of puberty or patterns 00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:05.619 in the body where people learn to move in certain 00:32:05.619 --> 00:32:08.279 ways and then the body or the spine starts to 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:12.180 accommodate to allow for that curvature. Essentially, 00:32:12.259 --> 00:32:14.640 in the scoliosis, it's a three -dimensional change 00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:18.039 in curves where they could be happening. in a 00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:20.160 side to side or they could be happening in a 00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:21.940 front to back or in a combination of a three 00:32:21.940 --> 00:32:26.359 -dimensional shape so essentially the the more 00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:30.000 the easier ladder of correction happens through 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:34.960 the functional scoliosis and structural scoliosis 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:38.480 are much more difficult to correct but there 00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:42.039 it is possible we don't know if sometimes correcting 00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:45.279 somebody's scoliosis to its full extent is the 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:47.660 thing to do because the body has also learned 00:32:47.660 --> 00:32:50.799 to accommodate around those curves. The organs 00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:53.420 only have so much space in there, right? They 00:32:53.420 --> 00:32:56.980 only have so much space, but the body just learns 00:32:56.980 --> 00:33:01.240 to find a ground from where it can move well. 00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:04.359 And so, for example, if you're born with structural 00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:09.190 scoliosis, then... Everything within you is going 00:33:09.190 --> 00:33:11.250 to organize around those curves. But then if 00:33:11.250 --> 00:33:13.849 it's something that you've acquired around time, 00:33:14.009 --> 00:33:16.990 then the likelihood of being corrected and then 00:33:16.990 --> 00:33:19.450 everything will go to where it's supposed to 00:33:19.450 --> 00:33:25.650 be is a lot easier. Many people feel frustrated 00:33:25.650 --> 00:33:28.750 when conventional medicine doesn't provide clear 00:33:28.750 --> 00:33:32.829 answers for their pain or imbalances. What advice 00:33:32.829 --> 00:33:34.829 would you give those searching for alternative 00:33:34.829 --> 00:33:40.359 healing options? The body is really complex. 00:33:40.819 --> 00:33:44.019 It's got its innate intelligence. And I would 00:33:44.019 --> 00:33:46.680 say that my advice would be don't give up on 00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:50.000 yourself. I think that the body with the right 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:53.440 tools and the right orientation is able to heal. 00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:57.380 Sometimes our way to finding the help is not 00:33:57.380 --> 00:34:00.099 so easy. But I think the biggest thing that we 00:34:00.099 --> 00:34:02.779 can hope for or the thing that we should seek 00:34:02.779 --> 00:34:05.460 out is to find better ways of being and feeling. 00:34:06.059 --> 00:34:08.800 What are some key things people should look for 00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:11.760 when choosing a practitioner? I think one of 00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:14.239 the very important things when seeking a practitioner 00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:19.099 is to feel comfortable with them. You're opening 00:34:19.099 --> 00:34:21.920 up to somebody who wants to help you in your 00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:24.019 healing journey and part of that relationship 00:34:24.019 --> 00:34:29.380 has to be one where the... both can have an open 00:34:29.380 --> 00:34:31.960 relationship and that there's trust. That's a 00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:34.480 big part of it. I think another big element of 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.679 it is having a practitioner who is knowledgeable 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:42.460 of the body, right? In a way that they're not 00:34:42.460 --> 00:34:45.300 going to create more injuries. So it would suck 00:34:45.300 --> 00:34:48.420 to have somebody sweet talk you or talk you in 00:34:48.420 --> 00:34:50.940 such a way where you are convinced by what they're 00:34:50.940 --> 00:34:53.239 saying, but there's no way of proving how good 00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:55.980 they really are. And so I think it's important 00:34:55.980 --> 00:34:58.480 to... When you're seeking out a professional, 00:34:58.579 --> 00:35:02.000 take your time to hopefully find the best fit 00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:05.659 available for you where you are. If not, I've 00:35:05.659 --> 00:35:08.659 done this many times where I don't find who I'm 00:35:08.659 --> 00:35:12.460 looking for where I'm at, and I feel in a capacity 00:35:12.460 --> 00:35:16.300 to go elsewhere to get the health care that I 00:35:16.300 --> 00:35:19.860 need and can afford. Do you know where people 00:35:19.860 --> 00:35:23.119 can learn more about your work? Yeah, so I have 00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:25.860 a website where people can... Help me up. This 00:35:25.860 --> 00:35:29.400 is not necessarily about me. This is about the 00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:33.780 two professions I'm looking to highlight. And 00:35:33.780 --> 00:35:36.440 if you want to learn more about rolfing, you 00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:39.460 can go and look up the Rolfing Institute, which 00:35:39.460 --> 00:35:43.460 they do plenty of research on the fascia. There's 00:35:43.460 --> 00:35:46.360 even a congress that happens every two or three 00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:50.000 years, I believe, from parts of the world. I 00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:51.639 think about three years ago, there was actually 00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:54.760 a congress in Montreal, and they're bringing 00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:57.440 scientists of all kinds, even medical doctors 00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:00.679 who are interested in learning about the fascia 00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:04.159 and everything it does. So I would say that's 00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:07.480 an avenue. But then also to learn about osteopathy, 00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.480 I think it's really worth looking up the story 00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:14.639 of how osteopathy came through at a time when 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:18.039 there was desperation. Getting people out of 00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:21.239 adjuncts, like drinking alcohol to get rid of 00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:23.920 a liver pain, right, when people needed proper 00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:30.239 care through a challenging time in the late 1800s. 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:33.360 So I think that doing research on both, on the 00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:37.000 story or the history of both of them, and even 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:40.619 for osteopathy, I would seek some of the bigger 00:36:40.619 --> 00:36:43.480 colleges that already have a reputation, even 00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:49.650 the Andrew Taylor still. that is out in Kirksville, 00:36:49.789 --> 00:36:54.130 Missouri, in the U .S. It's so often the case 00:36:54.130 --> 00:36:56.010 when someone has a problem and they're trying 00:36:56.010 --> 00:36:58.449 to find a solution, which is what happened to 00:36:58.449 --> 00:37:01.710 you. You had trouble when you were younger. So 00:37:01.710 --> 00:37:04.670 this is how you came into Rolfing, because you 00:37:04.670 --> 00:37:06.829 found that it helped you and it impacted you 00:37:06.829 --> 00:37:09.889 so much. You wanted to learn it to help others, 00:37:10.010 --> 00:37:12.909 and that makes your story stronger, because you 00:37:12.909 --> 00:37:17.329 know it works. Yeah, I think that many things 00:37:17.329 --> 00:37:20.969 in life come through belief. But you have to 00:37:20.969 --> 00:37:23.630 have facts and evidence that something works 00:37:23.630 --> 00:37:25.909 and you know it worked for you. Yeah, it definitely 00:37:25.909 --> 00:37:29.250 worked for me in my process of being a practitioner 00:37:29.250 --> 00:37:33.170 and doing this for work. I've also seen some 00:37:33.170 --> 00:37:37.289 really important advances in people's health. 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:41.659 I had a woman at some point who had a cleft palate 00:37:41.659 --> 00:37:45.159 and she, in the course of her life, over 40, 00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:48.800 45 years, she's had 25 surgeries. So that would 00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:53.019 affect her? Yeah, those really big operations. 00:37:53.179 --> 00:37:55.860 She was getting an operation almost every two 00:37:55.860 --> 00:37:58.480 or three years. Her biggest thing was that she 00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:03.150 was unable to move as a dance teacher. her feet 00:38:03.150 --> 00:38:05.949 hurt and her face always felt so tight so but 00:38:05.949 --> 00:38:07.989 she her biggest concern was her feet because 00:38:07.989 --> 00:38:10.210 she was a dance teacher and being a dance teacher 00:38:10.210 --> 00:38:13.909 not being able to demonstrate movement was a 00:38:13.909 --> 00:38:17.030 really big issue for her and so at one point 00:38:17.030 --> 00:38:19.389 she came to me and we worked through her entire 00:38:19.389 --> 00:38:24.590 body and and not only did she gain movement back 00:38:24.590 --> 00:38:27.269 through her feet but she said she'd never felt 00:38:27.269 --> 00:38:30.670 like that in her life Because you've had so many 00:38:30.670 --> 00:38:32.690 procedures that it's almost like you're adding 00:38:32.690 --> 00:38:35.409 a barrier. Yeah, every time. Every single time 00:38:35.409 --> 00:38:38.190 you're adding a scar, you're adding like a patch. 00:38:38.250 --> 00:38:41.550 And it's like, where do the patches end? Yeah, 00:38:41.670 --> 00:38:46.909 that's a very insightful story on the work that 00:38:46.909 --> 00:38:51.010 you're doing. How many years have you been rolfing? 00:38:51.809 --> 00:38:59.030 I've been in practice for nine years. Yeah. And 00:38:59.030 --> 00:39:01.829 you're in your second or third year of osteopathy? 00:39:02.050 --> 00:39:05.349 Yeah, I'm in my second year of osteopathy. And 00:39:05.349 --> 00:39:10.190 it's a four -year program. And I really do think 00:39:10.190 --> 00:39:13.309 that four years doesn't do justice for the amount 00:39:13.309 --> 00:39:16.530 of studying that you have to do. It's an endless, 00:39:16.769 --> 00:39:20.269 lifelong study because you never really arrive. 00:39:20.389 --> 00:39:23.650 So I think I'll keep studying. After I'm done. 00:39:24.070 --> 00:39:26.369 Oh, well, you never stop learning, especially 00:39:26.369 --> 00:39:27.969 when you're interested in what you're doing. 00:39:28.869 --> 00:39:31.829 Those interested in learning about NACI can go 00:39:31.829 --> 00:39:37.449 to www .dynamicposturesi .com. And I'll share 00:39:37.449 --> 00:39:39.690 the link in the comment section in the description 00:39:39.690 --> 00:39:43.989 section. Dynamic Postures is a member of the 00:39:43.989 --> 00:39:48.030 Canadian Rolfing Association. And currently it's 00:39:48.030 --> 00:39:51.860 February 2025. I've enjoyed sharing this information 00:39:51.860 --> 00:39:54.219 with you. It's a matter that's been close to 00:39:54.219 --> 00:39:57.840 my heart. I wanted to help prevent something 00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:02.000 like this from happening. Thank you for joining. 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:12.139 We're dying to be self-care. 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