WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.200 Welcome to Where Science Meets Self -Care with 00:00:03.200 --> 00:00:06.580 Ida Fanelli. With over 30 years in beauty and 00:00:06.580 --> 00:00:09.080 wellness and a background in medical science, 00:00:09.480 --> 00:00:12.960 Ida blends clinical knowledge with holistic care. 00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:16.199 Each week, she and her guests share insights 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:19.679 to help you achieve healthier skin, balanced 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:23.920 energy, and empowered self -care. Now, here's 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:31.300 your host, Ida Finelli. Hello, everyone. I'm 00:00:31.300 --> 00:00:34.579 excited to say that I have Kimberly Linnert here 00:00:34.579 --> 00:00:38.840 today. She is a pioneer in behavioral optometry. 00:00:39.140 --> 00:00:42.200 While she began her education as a traditional 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:46.299 optometrist, her journey soon led her beyond 00:00:46.299 --> 00:00:49.240 just glasses and eye charts into the deeper layers 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:52.500 of vision where the eyes, brain, and body work 00:00:52.500 --> 00:00:55.619 together in profound and often surprising ways. 00:00:56.479 --> 00:01:00.719 Her education spans a broad spectrum from traditional 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:04.859 optometry and brain rehabilitation to microcurrent 00:01:04.859 --> 00:01:08.700 therapy, neurolinguistic programming, Reiki, 00:01:08.900 --> 00:01:13.120 emotional healing, and neuroplasty -based intelligence 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:16.700 training. From all this knowledge, she formed 00:01:16.700 --> 00:01:20.939 the Optic Brain Fit Foundation. This world -class 00:01:20.939 --> 00:01:24.359 therapy combines traditional vision therapy with 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:27.420 brain and movement integration for life -changing 00:01:27.420 --> 00:01:30.939 results. She's also the author of Visualizing 00:01:30.939 --> 00:01:35.159 Happiness in Every Area of Your Life, a beautifully 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:38.060 accessible guide that merges sensory awareness 00:01:38.060 --> 00:01:41.939 with practical goal setting, offering readers 00:01:41.939 --> 00:01:45.239 an experimental path towards greater clarity, 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:48.900 joy, and purpose. On a personal note, Kimberly 00:01:48.900 --> 00:01:51.579 raised three children as a single mother and 00:01:51.579 --> 00:01:54.879 is now a proud grandmother. She finds joy in 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:57.340 connecting with people, doing CrossFit and yoga, 00:01:57.579 --> 00:02:01.340 creating art and being near water, the beach, 00:02:01.540 --> 00:02:06.000 a lake, a pool, or anywhere nature calls. Welcome, 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:08.599 Kimberly. Let's start with your journey. How 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:11.860 did you first get into optometry and what led 00:02:11.860 --> 00:02:15.689 you to the behavioral aspect of this work? All 00:02:15.689 --> 00:02:17.550 right. Well, thank you, first of all, for having 00:02:17.550 --> 00:02:20.710 me on your show. I love it. Thank you for being 00:02:20.710 --> 00:02:26.610 here. You have. So, yeah, when you're growing 00:02:26.610 --> 00:02:28.789 up and people say, what is it you want to do 00:02:28.789 --> 00:02:31.150 when you grow, you know, when you get older? 00:02:31.349 --> 00:02:34.409 And I thought, well, I had an aunt who was a 00:02:34.409 --> 00:02:36.250 doctor and I said, I want to be a doctor like 00:02:36.250 --> 00:02:39.569 her because I admired her. And then I realized 00:02:39.569 --> 00:02:42.310 when I got to high school and I had to do biology. 00:02:43.729 --> 00:02:47.310 you know, using pigs and dissecting and everything, 00:02:47.409 --> 00:02:52.169 I decided that blood was not for me. And so I 00:02:52.169 --> 00:02:55.629 looked to see what thing I could do to help people 00:02:55.629 --> 00:02:59.550 that didn't involve a lot of blood. And about 00:02:59.550 --> 00:03:02.629 that same time, I was trying contact lenses for 00:03:02.629 --> 00:03:06.930 the first time. And I'm like, oh, this doctor 00:03:06.930 --> 00:03:10.389 helps people. And he doesn't have to deal with 00:03:10.389 --> 00:03:12.830 blood. So I'm like, that would be a good profession. 00:03:12.870 --> 00:03:17.550 So that's how I chose optometry itself. And optometry 00:03:17.550 --> 00:03:21.729 is a very left brained type of calling as far 00:03:21.729 --> 00:03:24.569 as just doing the science of everything. And 00:03:24.569 --> 00:03:28.330 I'm very right brained in that I'm very artistic. 00:03:28.469 --> 00:03:31.759 I see that. And I also love. working with people 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:35.460 so when I got into optometry school I did a rotation 00:03:35.460 --> 00:03:38.479 in the vision therapy clinic where I worked with 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:41.740 a young boy I'll just call him Darren and he 00:03:41.740 --> 00:03:43.860 was a nine -year -old when he came in he was 00:03:43.860 --> 00:03:47.080 very shy looking down but very friendly you know 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:50.240 sweet kid but very shy and you could tell he 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:53.479 kind of lacked confidence and so I started working 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:56.699 with him doing these vision eye exercises and 00:03:56.699 --> 00:03:59.199 after about four or five weeks he'd come in and 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:03.090 his Head was up. He was happy. He was like smiling. 00:04:03.389 --> 00:04:07.110 Hey, how are you? And I'm like, Darren, because 00:04:07.110 --> 00:04:09.530 I'm new, so I'm just doing what I was taught, 00:04:09.669 --> 00:04:12.469 right? So I said, Darren, has anything changed 00:04:12.469 --> 00:04:14.810 since I've been working with you these last few 00:04:14.810 --> 00:04:17.850 weeks? He's like, yes. I said, well, what is 00:04:17.850 --> 00:04:20.430 it? He said, well, I don't feel stupid anymore. 00:04:20.930 --> 00:04:24.269 I said, what? You don't feel stupid anymore. 00:04:25.269 --> 00:04:27.910 I said, what do you mean by that? He said, well, 00:04:27.990 --> 00:04:32.410 in the past. I couldn't read. And so when I was 00:04:32.410 --> 00:04:35.029 asked to read aloud in class, everyone would 00:04:35.029 --> 00:04:38.410 laugh at me. But now I can read and nobody laughs 00:04:38.410 --> 00:04:41.689 at me. And I'm just like, oh, that just hit my 00:04:41.689 --> 00:04:44.769 heart. And I'm like, oh, if I could just do this 00:04:44.769 --> 00:04:48.490 over and over, help people have the skills they 00:04:48.490 --> 00:04:51.529 need to have that confidence, have that self 00:04:51.529 --> 00:04:54.089 -love, the feeling like they can do things again. 00:04:54.350 --> 00:04:57.509 I'm like, that would be fulfilling enough for 00:04:57.509 --> 00:05:00.120 me for a whole life. That's what I did. I went 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.740 into what's called behavioral optometry. And 00:05:03.740 --> 00:05:07.259 that's where we have therapy centers and we kind 00:05:07.259 --> 00:05:09.800 of train the eyes and the brain to work together 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:13.199 as a team. And then as I was doing more and more 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:15.560 work there, I realized I was doing more brain 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:18.810 work than vision. So it flipped from... 80 % 00:05:18.810 --> 00:05:24.050 vision, 20 % brain to 80 % brain work, 20 % vision. 00:05:24.149 --> 00:05:27.509 And then I realized as I added movement to it, 00:05:27.569 --> 00:05:30.550 that would give me sustainable results where 00:05:30.550 --> 00:05:33.209 they would really stick because the body has 00:05:33.209 --> 00:05:36.550 memory from movement. We also create new brain 00:05:36.550 --> 00:05:39.709 pathways when we move. And so that's where the 00:05:39.709 --> 00:05:42.370 optic brain fit came in. As the years went on, 00:05:42.470 --> 00:05:45.689 I was just developing this new technology. Wow. 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:49.100 It's so nice when you get feedback from people 00:05:49.100 --> 00:05:52.740 and then it inspires you to go on. You've been 00:05:52.740 --> 00:05:56.040 called a mind -body -soul whisperer. That's such 00:05:56.040 --> 00:06:00.259 a powerful phrase. How did your work evolve to 00:06:00.259 --> 00:06:04.459 blend holistic and scientific approaches? Yeah, 00:06:04.459 --> 00:06:07.199 so about the same time I was learning vision 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:11.060 therapy and I was being mentored by Dr. David 00:06:11.060 --> 00:06:14.279 Cook, who is... one of the most famous vision 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:16.639 therapy doctors in the world at this point. In 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:19.699 fact, he just got a very prestigious award a 00:06:19.699 --> 00:06:22.060 couple months ago, like the highest award you 00:06:22.060 --> 00:06:25.300 can get in behavioral optometry. As I was learning 00:06:25.300 --> 00:06:29.660 from him, my children were very small, and my 00:06:29.660 --> 00:06:33.399 middle child had a nose that kept running and 00:06:33.399 --> 00:06:36.769 running, and no matter what we did, she walked 00:06:36.769 --> 00:06:39.629 around and it was horrible. She had this runny 00:06:39.629 --> 00:06:42.589 nose and I didn't know what to do. And the regular 00:06:42.589 --> 00:06:46.050 doctors weren't helping us. And so somebody said, 00:06:46.110 --> 00:06:49.649 well, take her to this doctor who does naturopathy. 00:06:49.689 --> 00:06:52.670 He's a naturopathic doctor. I'm like, okay. So 00:06:52.670 --> 00:06:54.930 I took her there. He said, well, first of all, 00:06:54.949 --> 00:06:57.269 she needs to stop eating cheese because she's 00:06:57.269 --> 00:07:01.810 allergic to dairy. And then he gave us some homeopathics 00:07:01.810 --> 00:07:04.889 and she got better. I'm like, oh, there's something 00:07:04.889 --> 00:07:09.490 to this. So then as I evolved, I integrated more 00:07:09.490 --> 00:07:12.870 and more natural medicine into it, learning energetic 00:07:12.870 --> 00:07:17.970 medicine, homeopathy, herbs, different supplements. 00:07:18.550 --> 00:07:21.209 So because when I work with people, I need to 00:07:21.209 --> 00:07:24.189 look at their nutrition as well as their mental 00:07:24.189 --> 00:07:26.290 health, as well as their emotional health, as 00:07:26.290 --> 00:07:28.910 well as just even their family structure and 00:07:28.910 --> 00:07:31.730 what's happening at home. Because if you're working 00:07:31.730 --> 00:07:34.180 with someone in a therapy center, but things 00:07:34.180 --> 00:07:38.480 at home are not positive for that person and 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:40.819 they're going home and they're being put down 00:07:40.819 --> 00:07:44.500 or things aren't happening well, then your gains 00:07:44.500 --> 00:07:46.120 are going to keep falling apart. You're going 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:48.060 to say, well, this person gets better and then 00:07:48.060 --> 00:07:49.439 gets worse and then gets better and then gets 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:51.779 worse. So you have to look at everything when 00:07:51.779 --> 00:07:55.000 it comes to the person to create a customized 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:58.060 program to help them get to the goal they want. 00:07:59.420 --> 00:08:03.829 Yeah, so for those... who are new to this space 00:08:03.829 --> 00:08:06.750 can you explain to them what exactly optic brain 00:08:06.750 --> 00:08:10.449 fit is and how does it differ from traditional 00:08:10.449 --> 00:08:13.490 vision therapy traditional vision therapy we're 00:08:13.490 --> 00:08:16.790 using a lot of lenses and prisms and doing a 00:08:16.790 --> 00:08:19.790 lot of focusing and making just the eyes work 00:08:19.790 --> 00:08:22.189 a lot and getting the eyes to coordinate together 00:08:22.189 --> 00:08:25.350 as a team eye movements things like that but 00:08:25.350 --> 00:08:29.209 the optic brain fit a large portion of it You 00:08:29.209 --> 00:08:31.470 are moving your eyes and doing certain tasks 00:08:31.470 --> 00:08:35.549 with your eyes, but it's more of the body integrated 00:08:35.549 --> 00:08:39.269 for most of the work. It puts in a lot more movement. 00:08:39.850 --> 00:08:43.009 The eyes are deeply connected to the brain, and 00:08:43.009 --> 00:08:45.830 some holistic practices even explore how eye 00:08:45.830 --> 00:08:49.149 patterns reflect systemic health. Regardless 00:08:49.149 --> 00:08:52.210 of the modality, there's no denying vision's 00:08:52.210 --> 00:08:54.769 influence on emotion, hormone balance, and motor 00:08:54.769 --> 00:08:58.230 coordination. Why do you think vision is a powerful 00:08:58.230 --> 00:09:01.769 yet often overlooked part of brain and body performance? 00:09:02.309 --> 00:09:06.169 I think part of the reasons anything is overlooked 00:09:06.169 --> 00:09:10.970 is that most traditional, I guess, Western medicine 00:09:10.970 --> 00:09:15.330 doctors are just treating parts. They're treating 00:09:15.330 --> 00:09:18.029 parts. You go to the ear, nose, and throat doctor, 00:09:18.210 --> 00:09:22.289 he's treating your ears. He's not looking at 00:09:22.289 --> 00:09:25.919 all of you. oh, why does this person have an 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:30.019 earache? Well, if you're just treating the ear 00:09:30.019 --> 00:09:33.879 locally, what if they have an infection in their 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:36.120 whole body, but you don't know it because you're 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:38.899 not checking everything? So I think that's one 00:09:38.899 --> 00:09:41.899 of the reasons. And behavioral optometrists in 00:09:41.899 --> 00:09:45.379 general are going to look at the whole body. 00:09:45.850 --> 00:09:48.250 We're going to look how everything works. Many 00:09:48.250 --> 00:09:51.070 unconsciously move their neck instead of using 00:09:51.070 --> 00:09:54.549 their eyes to track movement, weakening the muscles 00:09:54.549 --> 00:09:57.669 over time. Does over -relying on head or neck 00:09:57.669 --> 00:10:00.850 movement rather than accurate eye tracking impair 00:10:00.850 --> 00:10:03.789 visual performance or disrupt brain integration? 00:10:04.049 --> 00:10:07.529 And how might this habit impact posture coordination 00:10:07.529 --> 00:10:10.990 or emotional regulation? That's a really good 00:10:10.990 --> 00:10:14.840 question. So it's really important that your 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:19.279 eyes and your head move independently. Now, if 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:22.860 you're going to go walk in a direction to the 00:10:22.860 --> 00:10:25.340 right, you definitely want to turn your body, 00:10:25.379 --> 00:10:28.200 turn your head and turn your eyes going in that 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:31.320 direction. But you also want to have the ability 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:33.600 to turn your head to the right and turn your 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:37.259 eyes to the left because when they work together, 00:10:37.379 --> 00:10:40.080 it's very inefficient. Even a small eight or 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:42.100 nine -year -old, if they're reading and they're, 00:10:42.440 --> 00:10:45.179 looking like a chicken pecking when they're reading, 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:49.000 that's very inefficient. And their reading comprehension 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:52.080 and reading speed will go down significantly. 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:55.139 And they'll just be considered a slow reader 00:10:55.139 --> 00:11:00.019 or have difficulty with reading. Yeah. My husband 00:11:00.019 --> 00:11:02.940 had an accident that caused damage to his peripheral 00:11:02.940 --> 00:11:06.179 vision. How might that affect his navigation, 00:11:06.259 --> 00:11:09.320 perception, or emotional life experience? And 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:12.759 what... One surprising thing about the vision 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:16.919 system you wish more people knew? That's a two 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.860 -part question. Okay. The first part is, you 00:11:20.860 --> 00:11:22.820 know, we have central and peripheral vision. 00:11:22.980 --> 00:11:26.259 Our central vision is for identifying, clarifying 00:11:26.259 --> 00:11:29.500 things, focusing. Our peripheral vision is for 00:11:29.500 --> 00:11:32.379 balance and for navigating. So if he had something 00:11:32.379 --> 00:11:34.700 that was affecting his peripheral vision, first 00:11:34.700 --> 00:11:38.039 of all, It's not as safe for him in the environment 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:40.720 because he's not noticing what's around him. 00:11:40.820 --> 00:11:44.100 So he could easily either fall over because of 00:11:44.100 --> 00:11:46.980 balance or run into things. People who have had 00:11:46.980 --> 00:11:50.779 injuries and say, like, I keep running into the 00:11:50.779 --> 00:11:52.539 side of the door. Especially those doors where 00:11:52.539 --> 00:11:55.419 it's all glass. And they really are looking at 00:11:55.419 --> 00:11:57.340 the door and they think they see where the door 00:11:57.340 --> 00:11:59.820 is, but because they have what we call neglect 00:11:59.820 --> 00:12:03.980 on that side. they don't see it and they run 00:12:03.980 --> 00:12:06.379 right into it. So it's really important that 00:12:06.379 --> 00:12:08.840 you use your central and your peripheral vision 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:12.320 together. And for lots of reasons, one for navigating, 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:16.039 two, it just increases your ability to think, 00:12:16.059 --> 00:12:19.080 to make decisions, to have certainty in life, 00:12:19.139 --> 00:12:22.139 to have confidence in life. There's so many things 00:12:22.139 --> 00:12:25.360 attached to that. Most of us go around using 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:27.440 just our central vision. Why? Because we're in 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:29.720 front of screens all the time. But it's very 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:32.360 important that you open up and use everything. 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:35.059 And then the second part of the question, there's 00:12:35.059 --> 00:12:37.519 lots of things that I wish people knew about 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:40.179 the vision, but just looking at just the physical 00:12:40.179 --> 00:12:43.860 health of the eyes. The eyes are the endpoint 00:12:43.860 --> 00:12:48.159 for everything. So if your body is sick, these 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:51.320 are the endpoints. If you have diabetes, you 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:54.730 could get bleeding in your eye. If you have thyroid 00:12:54.730 --> 00:12:56.990 issues, you can have problems with your eye. 00:12:57.129 --> 00:12:59.049 If you have high blood pressure problems, you're 00:12:59.049 --> 00:13:00.870 going to have problems with your eyes. So it's 00:13:00.870 --> 00:13:03.929 really important to keep care of this part of 00:13:03.929 --> 00:13:07.250 your body, the whole body. And what's important 00:13:07.250 --> 00:13:09.730 is one, breathing, which sounds funny, but we 00:13:09.730 --> 00:13:12.309 need to breathe and get good oxygen and breathe 00:13:12.309 --> 00:13:16.309 well. We need to move to keep everything circulating 00:13:16.309 --> 00:13:19.029 the way it should. And then when it comes to 00:13:19.029 --> 00:13:22.149 foods, the most important thing for eyes, is 00:13:22.149 --> 00:13:25.409 green i tell people green is good so you want 00:13:25.409 --> 00:13:30.730 to eat green spinach and collard greens and turnip 00:13:30.730 --> 00:13:34.159 greens and broccoli the darker green the better 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:36.539 other things that are good of course carrots 00:13:36.539 --> 00:13:38.299 are famous for that there's a good for night 00:13:38.299 --> 00:13:41.519 vision some other things and then even your tomatoes 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:44.019 and your yellow peppers your yellow and orange 00:13:44.019 --> 00:13:47.639 vegetables are very very important for eyes what 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:51.480 is damaging to eyes in the physical realm is 00:13:51.480 --> 00:13:55.600 anything with chemicals so aspartame and eat 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:57.940 things out of the frozen section and or in the 00:13:57.940 --> 00:14:00.970 canned section And it has those chemicals that 00:14:00.970 --> 00:14:05.149 are very damaging to the retina. Wow. I never 00:14:05.149 --> 00:14:07.850 thought about it that way. We take astaxanthin 00:14:07.850 --> 00:14:09.750 every day. We heard it was good for the eyes 00:14:09.750 --> 00:14:12.450 too. So I'm sure you're big on that as well. 00:14:13.169 --> 00:14:16.870 Okay. I'm curious. Can trauma or chronic stress 00:14:16.870 --> 00:14:20.049 manifest in the visual system and how might visual 00:14:20.049 --> 00:14:22.970 therapy support emotional or even spiritual healing? 00:14:24.110 --> 00:14:27.029 Yes. So first of all, just looking at the emotions. 00:14:28.689 --> 00:14:30.789 Regardless of how your vision is, whether you 00:14:30.789 --> 00:14:33.909 wear glasses or contacts or not, how well you 00:14:33.909 --> 00:14:37.730 see or not, when we're tired, sick, or upset, 00:14:37.929 --> 00:14:42.450 our vision doesn't work as well. It gets blurrier. 00:14:42.629 --> 00:14:44.330 We don't notice as much things. Sometimes we 00:14:44.330 --> 00:14:46.570 get tunnel vision, or we just don't feel good, 00:14:46.629 --> 00:14:49.710 or even things get kind of fuzzy in our world, 00:14:49.730 --> 00:14:53.090 and that's from the stress. Even after doing 00:14:53.090 --> 00:14:56.210 vision therapy, during those situations, tired, 00:14:56.330 --> 00:14:59.379 sick, or upset, Like, for example, if there's 00:14:59.379 --> 00:15:01.399 a person that we worked with and their eye was 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:03.879 one eye pointing over here and one eye pointing 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:05.879 straight, and we got them so that their eyes 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:07.820 look straight all the time, it's called strabismus. 00:15:08.899 --> 00:15:11.059 When they're tired, sick, or upset, sometimes 00:15:11.059 --> 00:15:14.159 their eye will still go out because they don't 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:16.139 have any resources left, if you will. But most 00:15:16.139 --> 00:15:18.059 of the time, they're going to control the eyes 00:15:18.059 --> 00:15:21.220 and look straight. But any person under stress, 00:15:21.379 --> 00:15:24.799 your vision is not going to be as good. Definitely. 00:15:26.059 --> 00:15:29.080 You also lead retreats. Can you share more about 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:32.000 what those experiences offer and how they differ 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:36.539 from your one -on -one work? Yes, I prefer very 00:15:36.539 --> 00:15:41.200 small groups, 8 to 12 at the most, because I 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:43.600 like to go very deep with people because retreats 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:45.639 are when you take someone out of their regular 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:50.440 environment and you put them in this little safe 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:54.809 place away from their regular life. And that's 00:15:54.809 --> 00:15:58.289 when you can really do deep work. So I'll work 00:15:58.289 --> 00:16:00.529 with them in a group, but then I'll also work 00:16:00.529 --> 00:16:04.049 with them one -on -one. And usually people are 00:16:04.049 --> 00:16:06.809 coming because they're in a transition period 00:16:06.809 --> 00:16:09.470 or they're making decisions that are not beneficial 00:16:09.470 --> 00:16:12.230 for themselves. And so we need to kind of clear 00:16:12.230 --> 00:16:14.330 some of those blind spots, some of those things, 00:16:14.470 --> 00:16:17.850 filters that are causing them to make decisions 00:16:17.850 --> 00:16:20.289 that aren't good or keeping them from making 00:16:20.289 --> 00:16:23.190 decisions that are beneficial for them. Do you 00:16:23.190 --> 00:16:26.850 see some exciting results from doing that? I 00:16:26.850 --> 00:16:30.490 love doing it. A lot of people, they've had emotional 00:16:30.490 --> 00:16:33.289 things or trauma in their life, and they might 00:16:33.289 --> 00:16:35.370 have been going, and this is not to put down 00:16:35.370 --> 00:16:37.629 any other profession, but they've been going 00:16:37.629 --> 00:16:40.590 to a counselor or a psychologist or psychiatrist 00:16:40.590 --> 00:16:45.070 for years for the same traumatic event and talking 00:16:45.070 --> 00:16:47.990 about the same traumatic event over and over 00:16:47.990 --> 00:16:51.210 for years. And guess what? They still are feeling 00:16:51.210 --> 00:16:54.350 the trauma. And it was like, okay, something's 00:16:54.350 --> 00:16:58.090 wrong. The way I work with people, we don't make 00:16:58.090 --> 00:17:00.850 them go back into the trauma and live it again 00:17:00.850 --> 00:17:05.529 or talk about it or anything. We just look from 00:17:05.529 --> 00:17:08.890 kind of a distant place, almost like a third 00:17:08.890 --> 00:17:11.890 person place, if you will. I use the example 00:17:11.890 --> 00:17:14.500 of... You're in a church in the balcony and you 00:17:14.500 --> 00:17:16.299 can see the front and you can see the people 00:17:16.299 --> 00:17:18.700 in the bottom and you're up here and the events 00:17:18.700 --> 00:17:20.779 happening down on the stage, but you're up here. 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:23.799 So you're like looking down at it. So it's a 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:26.220 way they can distance themselves from it. They 00:17:26.220 --> 00:17:28.559 can emotionally distance themselves from it and 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:31.359 then just wipe it out. And it's like, okay, let's 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:34.259 take this away as if it had never happened. At 00:17:34.259 --> 00:17:36.519 least it's not going to have any more charge 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:41.440 over me. Oh, great. You blend science, healing, 00:17:41.539 --> 00:17:43.960 emotional wellness, and spiritual insight into 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:46.099 your client's work. Do you follow a structure 00:17:46.099 --> 00:17:48.740 or process when guiding someone through a transformation? 00:17:52.099 --> 00:17:58.619 Yes, I have a framework, but it depends on the 00:17:58.619 --> 00:18:02.559 person I'm working with. So I will go deeply 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:05.339 into the case history, if you will. Being a doctor, 00:18:05.420 --> 00:18:08.680 I call it a case history. I'm going deeply into, 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:12.240 okay, where are you at right now? What's the 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:16.279 outcome you want? From that point, I choose which 00:18:16.279 --> 00:18:19.779 tools to use because I told someone this once 00:18:19.779 --> 00:18:21.480 and they thought it was kind of funny, but I 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:24.460 tell people, I have a shed full of tools in the 00:18:24.460 --> 00:18:27.619 back. I have a lot of tools because I had to 00:18:27.619 --> 00:18:30.480 learn so many different things because of what 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:34.460 I did. So I see what's there. I see where you 00:18:34.460 --> 00:18:37.339 want to go. And then I pull out the... appropriate 00:18:37.339 --> 00:18:42.119 tools oh great personalize it for them then yes 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:47.099 okay do you have daily practices to help with 00:18:47.099 --> 00:18:53.460 your own vision yes yes and there's like I'm 00:18:53.460 --> 00:18:55.099 just wondering you had trouble with your eyes 00:18:55.099 --> 00:18:58.579 have your own eyes improved oh definitely so 00:18:58.579 --> 00:19:05.000 this is a long time story so about 30 years ago 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:09.339 I actually went through a vision therapy treatment 00:19:09.339 --> 00:19:13.559 myself and also did some things on my own as 00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:16.200 far as treating my vision. Not everybody knows 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:18.819 what the numbers are, but I was nearsighted. 00:19:18.819 --> 00:19:22.880 My numbers were minus 3 .00. So I tell people 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:26.039 that's in diopters. So diopters are in dollars 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:29.099 and quarters like money. So it was a minus 3 00:19:29.099 --> 00:19:32.700 in the right and a minus 3 .00 in the left. That 00:19:32.700 --> 00:19:36.150 doesn't sound good. No, I was very nearsighted. 00:19:36.150 --> 00:19:39.170 I have trouble driving at night. I was very nearsighted. 00:19:39.170 --> 00:19:41.670 Also, when I was tired, I would see two yellow 00:19:41.670 --> 00:19:43.549 lines in the road. I would get some double vision 00:19:43.549 --> 00:19:46.529 sometimes too. And glasses didn't help you with 00:19:46.529 --> 00:19:50.609 that? No, no. It helped me clear my vision, the 00:19:50.609 --> 00:19:52.829 glasses, but it didn't get rid of the double 00:19:52.829 --> 00:19:56.009 vision. Okay. I did the vision therapy on myself. 00:19:56.049 --> 00:20:00.099 And now... My prescription is a minus 1 .25, 00:20:00.339 --> 00:20:04.700 so it was $3, but now it's $1 .25 and $1, 1 .00. 00:20:05.359 --> 00:20:07.920 And you don't see the double lines now? I don't 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:10.160 see the double lines now, and it's been that 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:13.220 same prescription for 30 years. That's great, 00:20:13.380 --> 00:20:15.279 you know, because usually when you get older, 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:17.579 your eyes get worse. Right, and I'm way over 00:20:17.579 --> 00:20:20.140 40, and I need nothing for reading. which is 00:20:20.140 --> 00:20:23.740 uncommon. I'm way past 40 and I need nothing 00:20:23.740 --> 00:20:26.920 for reading. So like you're doing maintenance 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:29.720 on yourself still is what you're saying. I think 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:33.039 at this point I am not doing a daily like vision 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:35.960 therapy exercises, but there's practices that 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:39.440 I've implemented that I automatically do. So 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:42.799 for example, if I'm driving and I see it, look 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:45.059 at how did it assign and it looks a little bit 00:20:45.059 --> 00:20:48.720 fuzzy. I know to blink and wink my eye a certain 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:51.619 way, like blink it open fast, and it's going 00:20:51.619 --> 00:20:54.220 to clear it because I've practiced it so much 00:20:54.220 --> 00:20:57.720 that it automatically becomes clear. Oh, great. 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:00.779 Well, that's so exciting to hear that. Same thing 00:21:00.779 --> 00:21:02.759 as when I walk outside, you know, talking about 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:05.079 the central peripheral vision, so many people 00:21:05.079 --> 00:21:08.420 walk around with their blinders on or the people 00:21:08.420 --> 00:21:10.759 who have attention issues, it's because they're 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:12.940 using their peripheral and they're not focused 00:21:12.940 --> 00:21:15.519 and they just. run after everything or whatever, 00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:18.559 they can't stay focused. But I've already practiced 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:21.799 that when I go freshly into a bigger place, it's 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:24.720 easier to expand then, that I just automatically 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:27.079 use my central peripheral vision together. But 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:30.500 it's because when I was practicing it, I practiced 00:21:30.500 --> 00:21:33.640 it till it was automatic. So now the things I'm 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:36.299 doing are automatic. And that's why my vision 00:21:36.299 --> 00:21:38.980 is staying stable and good. That's wonderful 00:21:38.980 --> 00:21:42.829 to hear that. It's inspiring. Do you ever use 00:21:42.829 --> 00:21:45.829 any of your devices that you have to help it 00:21:45.829 --> 00:21:48.990 or is it just exercises? Well, there's different 00:21:48.990 --> 00:21:51.289 things you can use because when you say devices, 00:21:51.289 --> 00:21:53.789 that just opens up a can of worms. There's so 00:21:53.789 --> 00:21:56.829 many things. So one of the things that I didn't 00:21:56.829 --> 00:21:59.250 use when I first started out doing the therapy 00:21:59.250 --> 00:22:02.769 on myself, but I incorporated it later, was syntonic 00:22:02.769 --> 00:22:05.809 light therapy. So using certain frequencies of 00:22:05.809 --> 00:22:08.529 light can be very healing, not just for vision 00:22:08.529 --> 00:22:12.750 itself, but for emotions, for the physical body. 00:22:12.769 --> 00:22:16.519 So different colors. heal different things or 00:22:16.519 --> 00:22:19.059 at least balance the body depending on what you 00:22:19.059 --> 00:22:22.220 need. So that's one thing. And there's a microcurrent 00:22:22.220 --> 00:22:25.279 you can use. The microcurrent you have, you know, 00:22:25.299 --> 00:22:27.779 you're actually putting things on the body. This 00:22:27.779 --> 00:22:30.220 one, you just hold these electrodes in your hand 00:22:30.220 --> 00:22:34.640 and it circulates through the body. And so you 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:36.500 can self -do it. In other words, you don't have 00:22:36.500 --> 00:22:38.380 to have another person do it. You can just hold 00:22:38.380 --> 00:22:41.160 them, and then the microcurrent machine can be 00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:44.339 programmed. So mine is really just programmed 00:22:44.339 --> 00:22:46.759 for reducing stress. Like we talked about, if 00:22:46.759 --> 00:22:48.559 you have high stress, you're not going to see 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:51.940 well. So I have mine programmed for just stress 00:22:51.940 --> 00:22:55.559 relief, but that can be programmed for all the 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:57.519 different layers in the back of the eye and everything. 00:22:57.660 --> 00:23:00.490 They're all separate frequencies. That's exciting 00:23:00.490 --> 00:23:03.049 to hear. Yeah, I know I've watched a few YouTube 00:23:03.049 --> 00:23:05.549 videos on those devices, but nobody up here does 00:23:05.549 --> 00:23:09.769 it. Okay, so you also do keynote speaking. What 00:23:09.769 --> 00:23:12.369 message do you most love sharing from the stage? 00:23:13.190 --> 00:23:16.430 Well, let me put it this way. My mission in life, 00:23:16.509 --> 00:23:18.769 what I think my purpose is, because I'm helping 00:23:18.769 --> 00:23:21.210 other people find their purpose, right? So my 00:23:21.210 --> 00:23:23.750 purpose is to help people feel loved, important, 00:23:23.809 --> 00:23:28.089 and needed. I wrote this book, Visualizing Happiness, 00:23:28.269 --> 00:23:30.180 and every... area of your life. And it's kind 00:23:30.180 --> 00:23:33.319 of like a step by step guide to finding out who 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:35.400 you are, what you like, what's important, and 00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:36.920 then putting it on your calendar and actually 00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:40.119 making it happen. So this is one way I can help 00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:42.380 people find their purpose or what they're supposed 00:23:42.380 --> 00:23:44.759 to be doing right now. I do it through my podcast 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:46.759 by having all sorts of different people on there 00:23:46.759 --> 00:23:49.700 doing different things to spark people's curiosity 00:23:49.700 --> 00:23:52.480 and creativity about what they might like to 00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:54.279 do by just having different people on there. 00:23:54.700 --> 00:23:57.500 And then when I speak to people, I like to give 00:23:57.500 --> 00:24:00.740 them First of all, the message that you are enough, 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:05.519 you're important, and give them tools to increase 00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:08.099 their confidence, increase their feeling like, 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:12.000 hey, they can do everything. And then that therapy 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:15.339 part of me, especially if I'm working more with 00:24:15.339 --> 00:24:17.799 people independently, if there's something they 00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:21.720 want to master, everything has basic steps. And 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:24.640 I don't have to be a master of golf to work with 00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:27.900 a golfer. I just teach them the basic steps of 00:24:27.900 --> 00:24:30.940 mastering something to help them get to their 00:24:30.940 --> 00:24:34.339 goal. So I like to speak about finding your purpose, 00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:39.240 high performance, and just being the best version 00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:43.440 of yourself. Well, that's important because sometimes 00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:46.059 people can't see it for themselves. You know, 00:24:46.059 --> 00:24:49.539 they need to be guided. Okay, so you talked about 00:24:49.539 --> 00:24:52.059 your book, Visualizing Happiness in Every Area 00:24:52.059 --> 00:24:54.799 of Your Life, and what inspired you to write 00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:58.500 it, and why should someone pick it up? Thank 00:24:58.500 --> 00:25:01.839 you for asking that. It's a while ago now. I 00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:05.819 had a colleague who was a neurochiropractor that 00:25:05.819 --> 00:25:08.559 sometimes when I had really hard cases, I would 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:10.859 enlist him and say, hey, I need help with this 00:25:10.859 --> 00:25:15.890 person because they have so much going on. And 00:25:15.890 --> 00:25:18.369 he was brilliant. I mean, when he was speaking 00:25:18.369 --> 00:25:21.609 and he spoke fast, half the time I couldn't keep 00:25:21.609 --> 00:25:23.470 up with him. And I was trained in brain stuff, 00:25:23.549 --> 00:25:26.049 but he was like super trained in it and just 00:25:26.049 --> 00:25:32.049 knew so much. And one day, one of our patients 00:25:32.049 --> 00:25:35.369 that we shared came in. And they said, do you 00:25:35.369 --> 00:25:38.829 know that he died a couple weeks ago? I was like, 00:25:38.930 --> 00:25:43.450 what? And he was in his late 50s. And I thought 00:25:43.450 --> 00:25:47.480 to myself. He died with all the brilliance inside 00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:49.720 him. He hadn't written a book. He hadn't written 00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:55.240 it down. And all his experience, all his information 00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:59.400 that he found or that he researched or that he 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:04.390 learned was gone now. just gone because he wasn't 00:26:04.390 --> 00:26:06.730 here anymore. And I'm like, I don't want that 00:26:06.730 --> 00:26:10.450 to happen to me. I want to find a way to share 00:26:10.450 --> 00:26:14.269 my experience, my knowledge that I've learned 00:26:14.269 --> 00:26:17.710 over these, the time is 20 something years, and 00:26:17.710 --> 00:26:20.170 share it with people. When I leave this earth, 00:26:20.329 --> 00:26:22.529 I want to leave empty. I don't want to leave 00:26:22.529 --> 00:26:25.230 with all my knowledge inside me. So I asked somebody, 00:26:25.309 --> 00:26:28.089 well, what do you do to disseminate information 00:26:28.089 --> 00:26:31.279 to a lot of people? And they said, well, You 00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:34.380 write a book and you become a speaker. So that's 00:26:34.380 --> 00:26:36.220 what I did. And I thought about what would I 00:26:36.220 --> 00:26:38.680 want to write a book about? Because my background 00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:44.720 is about really living the best life and mastering 00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:47.660 and becoming your best self. I thought, what 00:26:47.660 --> 00:26:50.279 better than finding happiness in every area of 00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:53.460 your life? So that's why I wrote the book. The 00:26:53.460 --> 00:26:55.700 reason someone might want to pick up this book 00:26:55.700 --> 00:26:59.730 is. It's a step -by -step guide to creating a 00:26:59.730 --> 00:27:02.690 life you love. So a lot of research on happiness, 00:27:02.869 --> 00:27:06.009 like how to be happy. And then at the end of 00:27:06.009 --> 00:27:13.029 every chapter, I have questions. So like at the 00:27:13.029 --> 00:27:16.309 end of the chapter says, who am I? Then there's 00:27:16.309 --> 00:27:19.930 questions you can answer. And you want to write 00:27:19.930 --> 00:27:22.849 down these questions or type them, whatever your 00:27:22.849 --> 00:27:25.890 preference is. But you want to write them down 00:27:25.890 --> 00:27:28.490 as you go through the book. So it's kind of like 00:27:28.490 --> 00:27:32.190 a book with information, but a workbook. And 00:27:32.190 --> 00:27:34.609 as you write down the answers, you get to know 00:27:34.609 --> 00:27:37.710 yourself a little bit better. And then at the 00:27:37.710 --> 00:27:39.990 end of the book, you put it all together by actually 00:27:39.990 --> 00:27:42.369 putting it on your calendar. What is it I like? 00:27:42.390 --> 00:27:44.650 What's important to me? Who do I want to spend 00:27:44.650 --> 00:27:47.880 time with? What are my values? And then we put 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:50.980 it all together actually on a calendar. And I 00:27:50.980 --> 00:27:52.900 tell people, you should kind of assess yourself 00:27:52.900 --> 00:27:55.460 about every quarter because things change and 00:27:55.460 --> 00:27:57.920 what's important to you during that season might 00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:00.500 be different. So that's one reason. Another reason 00:28:00.500 --> 00:28:03.039 is there's stories from different people, just 00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:04.920 like on my podcast, stories from different people 00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:06.960 about how they found happiness. So that's also 00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.279 in the book. The other thing is, you see, it's 00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:11.920 a nice little book. I'm a big time reader, but 00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:13.819 I like little books that are easy to read. So 00:28:13.819 --> 00:28:15.740 it's very easy to read. See, there's a lot of 00:28:15.740 --> 00:28:22.180 white space. And it's one that you can go through 00:28:22.180 --> 00:28:25.099 and actually complete it. Because, you know, 00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:27.799 what's the sense of a book if you read it and 00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:29.900 don't remember it or you never complete it? So 00:28:29.900 --> 00:28:34.539 it's easy. I tell people even a 9, 10, 11 -year 00:28:34.539 --> 00:28:36.460 -old kid could read this and get something out 00:28:36.460 --> 00:28:40.319 of it. You've designed it for all ages is what 00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:43.119 you're saying. Yeah. Well, that's good to know. 00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:46.240 It's not too complicated then. Right, right. 00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:49.200 And that's the whole idea of it. It's not like 00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:52.059 a school assignment. It's like, oh, I'm spending 00:28:52.059 --> 00:28:54.940 this few minutes to read this one chapter and 00:28:54.940 --> 00:28:57.319 then answer the questions to learn about me. 00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:00.019 Because how do we know what we want if we don't 00:29:00.019 --> 00:29:04.079 know ourselves? So it's to help you get to know 00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:08.680 yourself. Yeah, well, that's great. And you're 00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:12.079 also writing another book, right? Actually, I'm 00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:14.359 doing the second edition of this one right now, 00:29:14.500 --> 00:29:16.700 so I'm just adding to it because there's some 00:29:16.700 --> 00:29:19.799 things after I had written this, and this one 00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:21.740 took me a while because it was my first real 00:29:21.740 --> 00:29:25.440 book, if you will. It took me a while and I kept 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:27.900 changing and morphing it. But there's more things 00:29:27.900 --> 00:29:30.119 I want to add to the book. So I'm actually going 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:33.259 to re -release the second edition of it. So it'll 00:29:33.259 --> 00:29:36.079 still be in that same format with the workbook 00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:38.460 and everything. It's just there's some additional 00:29:38.460 --> 00:29:41.119 things I want to add to it. So if somebody bought 00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:42.799 the second book, does that mean they don't have 00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:44.859 to have the first book is what you're saying? 00:29:45.460 --> 00:29:49.700 Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's just, yeah, we all learn 00:29:49.700 --> 00:29:51.980 and think, oh, I should have put this in. I should 00:29:51.980 --> 00:29:56.099 have put that in. So your podcast, The Incredible 00:29:56.099 --> 00:29:59.299 Life, must be very inspiring for you to meet 00:29:59.299 --> 00:30:03.339 all these different people. And what highlights 00:30:03.339 --> 00:30:05.660 do you have from doing that show? Do you have 00:30:05.660 --> 00:30:11.039 any? Yes. So first of all, deeply in my heart, 00:30:11.059 --> 00:30:14.789 I feel like. Every single person on the planet 00:30:14.789 --> 00:30:19.890 is here for a reason, for a purpose. And some 00:30:19.890 --> 00:30:22.170 people are going to do things that everyone sees, 00:30:22.329 --> 00:30:26.730 but everybody has a purpose. Even the grandmother 00:30:26.730 --> 00:30:30.029 who is now 88 in a wheelchair, she still has 00:30:30.029 --> 00:30:33.049 a purpose. Her purpose might be to hug her grandkids. 00:30:33.329 --> 00:30:36.269 So we all have a reason for being here. As long 00:30:36.269 --> 00:30:38.650 as we're breathing, we're here, we have a reason 00:30:38.650 --> 00:30:42.240 to be here. And sometimes... Our purpose at one 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:44.380 season is different than a purpose at another 00:30:44.380 --> 00:30:48.839 season. And so I love having people from all 00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:51.000 different walks of life on the podcast. One, 00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:54.200 because I think everyone's story is valuable. 00:30:54.660 --> 00:30:58.480 You don't have to be a famous person or be in 00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:01.420 the spotlight all the time. I think of a mom 00:31:01.420 --> 00:31:05.279 of five came on and said, you know, this is how 00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:09.819 I be a good mom. That's valuable. So I think 00:31:09.819 --> 00:31:12.980 everyone has something to share. And it's really 00:31:12.980 --> 00:31:15.119 important that you not only find your purpose 00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:19.259 and do it and master it and be the best you can 00:31:19.259 --> 00:31:22.599 at what you're supposed to be doing here, but 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:24.799 also that you share your gifts with people. Because 00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:27.319 what's the point? If you don't share your gifts, 00:31:27.380 --> 00:31:31.460 there's a hole. We all lose. The rest of society 00:31:31.460 --> 00:31:33.980 loses when someone doesn't share their gift. 00:31:34.339 --> 00:31:39.299 Oh, definitely. learns from their life experiences 00:31:39.299 --> 00:31:41.819 you don't share what you've learned it's just 00:31:41.819 --> 00:31:43.980 like someone when they start out they're starting 00:31:43.980 --> 00:31:48.960 from zero with nobody to learn from yeah so that's 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:53.500 great how can people connect with you you can 00:31:53.500 --> 00:31:56.500 connect with me on Facebook or on LinkedIn I 00:31:56.500 --> 00:32:00.619 also have a link tree which has all my links 00:32:00.619 --> 00:32:03.599 on it I don't have a I'll put it at the end your 00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:06.859 link tree yeah But the first one, if you actually 00:32:06.859 --> 00:32:09.380 wanted to connect with me, the first one is a 00:32:09.380 --> 00:32:12.180 15 -minute connection call. So you can always 00:32:12.180 --> 00:32:14.680 sign up for that and we'll have a conversation. 00:32:15.019 --> 00:32:17.119 Other than that, my links are just all on my 00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:19.059 link tree. Anything you want to see that I'm 00:32:19.059 --> 00:32:22.400 doing, I'm a very eclectic person. Just like 00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:24.339 my book, Visualizing Happiness in Every Area 00:32:24.339 --> 00:32:27.119 of Your Life, on my link tree I have things from 00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.859 financial stuff to brain stuff to supplements. 00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:35.400 to, you know, vision therapy stuff. So whatever 00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:40.039 it is you're interested in. Yeah. Yeah. Well, 00:32:40.140 --> 00:32:42.079 that's good. Yeah, because I did look at your 00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.420 link tree. I thought, wow, that's a good idea, 00:32:45.500 --> 00:32:48.960 I thought. And on your podcast, you also incorporate, 00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:51.539 you don't just talk to other people. You have 00:32:51.539 --> 00:32:55.660 information about optometry things, right? I 00:32:55.660 --> 00:32:58.200 mostly am interviewing other people right now. 00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:02.410 I have thought about doing that. a lot recently. 00:33:02.769 --> 00:33:05.529 I did see one. You have a YouTube video on the 00:33:05.529 --> 00:33:08.309 meibomian gland dysfunction and dry eye relief. 00:33:08.690 --> 00:33:11.930 I thought that was a good one. I did that for 00:33:11.930 --> 00:33:15.730 my patients, actually. And one of the reasons 00:33:15.730 --> 00:33:19.190 I did that is when I have someone in the chair 00:33:19.190 --> 00:33:21.410 and they have dry eyes, and this was for a particular 00:33:21.410 --> 00:33:24.109 thing called meibomian gland dysfunction, which 00:33:24.109 --> 00:33:26.849 is a certain kind of dry eye, but there's a procedure 00:33:26.849 --> 00:33:29.720 that I have them go through. And there's so many 00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:32.339 people where I live in Georgia and United States 00:33:32.339 --> 00:33:35.359 that have dry eye because of allergies or being 00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:39.619 on computers and things like that, that I tell 00:33:39.619 --> 00:33:42.480 people this procedure all day long when I'm seeing 00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:46.150 patients. And a lot of times they forget or whatever. 00:33:46.730 --> 00:33:49.630 So what I do is I go through it briefly with 00:33:49.630 --> 00:33:52.049 them in the room, but then I give them the video. 00:33:52.130 --> 00:33:55.170 That saves me chair time. That gives them a video 00:33:55.170 --> 00:33:57.849 that they can watch it again and again if they 00:33:57.849 --> 00:34:00.869 need to. Yeah. So that's the reason for that. 00:34:01.789 --> 00:34:04.990 It's not part of the podcast. I just put it up 00:34:04.990 --> 00:34:07.549 to help my patients or anybody who has dry eyes. 00:34:07.869 --> 00:34:10.789 I thought it was quite informative. Is there 00:34:10.789 --> 00:34:14.280 anything else you want to say? Like you want 00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:16.800 to share and you can just be open with what you 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:20.039 want to say. Yeah. Well, first of all, thank 00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:23.500 you for letting me be on the podcast today. And 00:34:23.500 --> 00:34:28.460 we met because you are a very famous Brains Magazine 00:34:28.460 --> 00:34:33.940 contributor. Amazing articles that you write. 00:34:34.059 --> 00:34:37.440 And I just started as a Brains Magazine contributor. 00:34:38.099 --> 00:34:41.820 Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no, no. Yeah, I've read some 00:34:41.820 --> 00:34:46.630 of yours too. And that's how I even contacted 00:34:46.630 --> 00:34:49.010 you. I'm like, I have to have her on my podcast. 00:34:51.090 --> 00:34:54.630 Well, thank you. I enjoy, like you, that's my 00:34:54.630 --> 00:34:57.389 way of leaving my legacy is giving this information. 00:34:57.750 --> 00:35:00.650 Thank you for being so kind. I really enjoyed 00:35:00.650 --> 00:35:03.969 talking to Kimberly and it was nice that we could 00:35:03.969 --> 00:35:06.809 share this time together. And hopefully we'll 00:35:06.809 --> 00:35:09.730 get to talk another day. That would be great. 00:35:09.909 --> 00:35:12.900 Thank you so much, Ida. 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