00;00;00;18 - 00;00;07;11 Dr. Winn I'm Dr. Rob Winn and you're listening to Real Cancer Talk from VCU Massey Comprehensive Cancer Center. 00;00;07;14 - 00;00;38;15 Clovia Lawrence I am Miss Community Clovia, keeping it all things community during Community Conversations, the Black Health Wins podcast and we're celebrating our rich history, 365. It just so happens to be in this month of February. And now we got some black history that we're gonna lay on you. I have a special guest joining me on the show. He is Doctor Todd Adams, assistant professor and the Department of Radiation Oncology at VCU Massey Comprehensive Cancer Center. Doctor Todd Adams, how are you? 00;00;38;18 - 00;00;42;06 Dr. Todd Adams I am doing well, thanks. I'm really happy to be here today. So thank you for inviting me. 00;00;42;08 - 00;00;53;27 Clovia Lawrence Well, thank you for being here. And we have the man of the hour too sweet to be sour. He is Doctor Robert Winn, Director of the VCU Massey Comprehensive Cancer Center. What's up Dr. Winn? 00;00;54;00 - 00;00;59;10 Dr. Winn Hey, look, you know I'm all good when I'm with you. Yeah, I hey there, listen, it’s all good. 00;00;59;13 - 00;01;19;23 Clovia Lawrence That's right. This black history month, we always talk about inventors. We talk about scientists, we talk about research. But we going to talk about some black health. We're going to talk about cancer disparities in the black community. But we come bearing good news, not the typical news. And we're going to talk about that see worried. And we're not talking a particular C word. 00;01;19;23 - 00;01;34;11 Clovia Lawrence But it's going to be the clinical trials. All right. So let's start with you. Doctor Todd Adams is Assistant Professor in the Department of Radiation Oncology at VCU. What is radiation oncology Doctor Adams? 00;01;34;14 - 00;01;53;07 Dr. Todd Adams Radiation oncology is a branch of oncology that uses high powered X-rays to treat cancer patients. And we do that sometimes in coordination with chemotherapy. And we do that sometimes in coordination with surgery. And sometimes we use radiation therapy alone to kill cancer cells. 00;01;53;09 - 00;01;54;02 Clovia Lawrence And so all.... 00;01;54;02 - 00;01;59;27 Dr. Winn Doctor Adams, brother Adams, should I be worried though? Look you talking some radiation out there. 00;01;59;28 - 00;02;02;07 Clovia Lawrence Right, that's what I was going to say. Yeah. 00;02;02;07 - 00;02;04;08 Dr. Winn Won’t radiation caused more problems? 00;02;04;11 - 00;02;25;19 Dr. Todd Adams I think that's a great question. One of the things about the radiation that we use to treat cancer is that it's very targeted, so it doesn't spread all over the body. We have high a really advanced technology that's used to target the radiation, to go only to the area where we want it to go. We're also super concerned about side effects. 00;02;25;20 - 00;02;41;09 Dr. Todd Adams And so one of my jobs as a radiation oncologist is to make sure that the radiation, the high powered X-rays, go to the area of the body where we want them to go. But the other part of my job is to make sure that the X-rays don't go to the areas of the body where I don't want them to go. 00;02;41;12 - 00;03;00;20 Dr. Todd Adams And so radiation is really a pretty safe modality, like any, you know, type of cancer treatment. It does have potential side effects. But we go through a lot of trouble to make sure that we're as effective as possible and killing the cancer cells. But also as safe as possible in terms of preventing side effects. 00;03;00;23 - 00;03;11;21 Clovia Lawrence And when you talk about the radiation versus the chemotherapy, in some instances, as you did mentioned, you can treat some cancers with the radiation without the chemotherapy. 00;03;11;24 - 00;03;34;22 Dr. Todd Adams Absolutely. For instance lung cancers. Smaller lung cancers we can treat with radiation alone. There are some head and neck cancers that we treat with radiation alone. Prostate cancer, we often treat with radiation alone. And so radiation has been around for a long time. You know, really, I believe, you know, almost 100 years now in terms of treating cancer patients. 00;03;34;24 - 00;03;41;28 Dr. Todd Adams And so it's a it's a good modality, you know, but like any type of therapy, it has to be used wisely and it has to be used safely. 00;03;42;01 - 00;03;56;26 Clovia Lawrence And when you mention wisely and safely we're going to talk about those clinical trials. Because in order to continue to make the side effects less you need people on clinical trials to help with that. Right? 00;03;56;29 - 00;04;16;19 Dr. Todd Adams That is absolutely true. For example I have a clinical trial open here right now that looks to reduce the skin side effects from radiation treatment, particularly skin side effects that are more common in people of color. In order for that trial to be effective, in order for us to figure out new ways to reduce the side effects of cancer treatment... 00;04;16;27 - 00;04;29;19 Dr. Todd Adams we need people to participate in those trials. Without people participating in the trials, we can't figure out ways to make cancer safer and to make, excuse me, make cancer treatment safer and to make cancer treatment more effective. 00;04;29;21 - 00;04;51;22 Clovia Lawrence And you know, I jumped the gun on that a little bit. I just wanted to touch on clinical trials. But we're going to go. We want to delve deep into it. Let's get back to it. And we hear this a lot. We hear this a lot Doctor Adams when it comes to how have disparities in black health improved? 00;04;51;24 - 00;05;19;05 Dr. Todd Adams I think well it depends on the area of medicine that you're talking about. In some areas of medicine, disparities have not changed. And other areas with hard work from researches and with, the participation of the community, disparities have decreased. So it really depends on the particular area. But in general, I think that the disparities, you know, the disparity in health between people of color and Caucasians and certain other groups, it's too high. 00;05;19;05 - 00;05;31;15 Dr. Todd Adams It's unacceptable. And so one of my jobs and one of my callings is to try to reduce that disparity so that the outcomes are equal between all groups across the span. 00;05;31;17 - 00;05;35;14 Clovia Lawrence Wow. And you have your work cut out? Sure. Sure. 00;05;35;15 - 00;06;00;14 Dr. Winn Can I ask one question? So, brother A...Doctor Adams, we know since 1993 that it's not been all bad. That we've been able to reduce rates of cancer since 1991, 34% more people are surviving. So when I think about prostate cancer in particular, we know that 50% less men are dying from prostate cancer than they used to in 1993. 00;06;00;19 - 00;06;17;27 Dr. Winn What role has radiation oncology played in that? And and why would you think about radiation oncology as opposed to just cutting it out in surgery? Can you help out with the power of radiation oncology has helped more men survive? And maybe I'm wrong, but you know. 00;06;17;29 - 00;06;19;16 Clovia Lawrence That's why you’re asking. 00;06;19;18 - 00;06;36;15 Dr. Todd Adams I appreciate you calling me brother A., I like that. In terms of prostate cancer, radiation has played a central role in treating prostate cancer for decades. One of the advantages of radiation over surgery is that it has a different. 00;06;36;15 - 00;06;37;27 Dr. Winn You’re going to have to repeat that brother Adams. 00;06;37;29 - 00;06;38;12 Clovia Lawrence That was deep. 00;06;38;17 - 00;06;42;08 Dr. Winn You probably want to say that again, because I'll be people. Say what? Say that again. 00;06;42;10 - 00;07;09;05 Dr. Todd Adams Well, typically early stage prostate cancer is treated either with surgery or it's treated with radiation. And each modality has pluses and minuses. Well, one of the benefits of radiation is that some of the side effects that are more prominent in surgery are less prominent with radiation therapy. You know, we when treating prostate cancer, sometimes we treat prostate cancer for just a few fractions, just a few number of treatments. 00;07;09;07 - 00;07;29;27 Dr. Todd Adams And sometimes we treat that over the course of weeks. But if we're looking to avoid certain side effects, a lot of patients will choose radiation over surgery. The other time when radiation is really beneficial in prostate cancer is that when prostate cancer becomes a little bit more advanced and a lot of cases, it's better to do radiation and hormonal therapy than to do surgery. 00;07;29;29 - 00;07;39;11 Dr. Todd Adams Because if you do both, well, if you do surgery, you may need to go back and do radiation later. And then in that case, patients are getting two courses of treatment instead of just one. 00;07;39;15 - 00;07;41;22 Clovia Lawrence Well, that Doctor Winn, did that answer your question? 00;07;41;28 - 00;08;03;10 Dr. Winn That definitely answered my question. You know, I think that, Doctor Adam's point that, you know, what we're talking about is just a quote. This is one of the things I love about what you do and what you're about. You're about bringing information, not information, bringing knowledge to the community so that we are less frightened by things that we know have been happening for decades. 00;08;03;12 - 00;08;25;04 Dr. Winn Someone says to you, Well, maybe we ought to introduce radiation, you know, therapy instead of running from something that could be good, you are now armed with the knowledge to say yes or no. And so again. But, Doctor Adams, I really appreciate you for throwing that perspective down that radiation and radiation therapy have been around for decades. So this ain't nothing new. 00;08;25;06 - 00;08;26;11 Dr. Winn Ain't nothing new on the block. 00;08;26;17 - 00;08;26;29 Clovia Lawrence Yeah. 00;08;27;04 - 00;08;44;03 Dr. Todd Adams Not nothing. Not nothing new at all Doctor Winn. And really, my job, when patients come in to see me is to give them treatment options. I often don't tell patients, so this is what you should do. But what I say to them is these are the advantages and disadvantages of radiation. These are the advantages and disadvantages of surgery. 00;08;44;10 - 00;08;59;03 Dr. Todd Adams And then once we go through all that, then I'll save the patient. Well, I'll let you decide. You have two good choices, you know, in front of you, you decide which one is best for you. But my job is to give you good medical, good medical information so that you can make the decision that is best for you. 00;08;59;05 - 00;09;02;01 Clovia Lawrence All right, this is good stuff. We're going to take a break and come on back. 00;09;02;05 - 00;09;03;18 Dr. Winn If you don't know now you know. 00;09;03;18 - 00;09;11;13 Clovia Lawrence Now you know. It's Community Conversations, the Black Health Wins podcast. Stay close. There is more. 00;09;11;15 - 00;09;18;08 Dr. Winn I'm Dr. Rob Winn and you're listening to Real Cancer Talk from VCU Massey Comprehensive Cancer Center. 00;09;18;11 - 00;09;40;03 Clovia Lawrence Welcome back to Community Conversations. I am Miss Community Clovia as we celebrate our rich history 365. We must talk about our rich health and we have that D word when it comes to blacks and health. And that's called disparities. And now I have to go to the source for you. Doctor Robert Winn is director of the VCU Massey Comprehensive Cancer Center. 00;09;40;08 - 00;09;58;15 Clovia Lawrence And we also have Doctor Todd Adams, assistant professor in the Department of Radiation Oncology at VCU Massey. Okay. Doctor Todd Adams, known as Doctor A today. Why do we have disparities and clinical trial participation historically? 00;09;58;18 - 00;10;24;24 Clovia Lawrence We have disparities in clinical trial participation historically because of things that have occurred in the past. You know, decades ago, researchers did things that were were unethical and were harmful to patients of color. And as a result of that, we've had a bad taste in the mouth for decades, and we've been really concerned about participating in clinical trials because we don't want to be taken advantage of. 00;10;24;27 - 00;10;50;25 Dr. Todd Adams Since that has happened, though, there has been a lot of legislation, and there have been a lot of policies that have been put in place to protect, not only patients of color, but all patients from being taken advantage of by researchers. And so now it's a whole different experience, and it's a whole different landscape participating in clinical trials because of all the rules and regulations that are in place only to protect participants of the trials. 00;10;50;28 - 00;11;20;13 Clovia Lawrence And I'm glad you say that legislation is in place. You will be held accountable if you do anything like that. But, Doctor Winn, I just want you to jump in because we have been talking about clinical trials since we started the show and get more people to participate. And we were doing examples of...years ago, when you think about persons who who had or diagnosed with diabetes and how it was more amputations and people are and are really their limbs are being saved. 00;11;20;15 - 00;11;22;22 Clovia Lawrence But that was based on the clinical trial too. 00;11;22;22 - 00;11;23;04 Dr. Winn Come on now. 00;11;23;04 - 00;11;42;12 Clovia Lawrence What type of medications. And I think, and just given those examples of headaches, you know, it wasn't any Bayer aspirin back in the day or any other pain reliever. But there was a clinical trial for it to become a part of the FDA. Right? And so we got countless other examples. 00;11;42;14 - 00;11;43;09 Dr. Winn You know, come on. 00;11;43;11 - 00;11;45;07 Clovia Lawrence And, and and for you 00;11;45;07 - 00;11;45;18 Clovia Lawrence Countless. 00;11;45;23 - 00;12;08;18 Clovia Lawrence Yeah, countless others. And just give us one. And then Doctor Todd, I want to get back with you on one as well. Because I think people need to, that's all we know of. And when we think about this historically, yes, it was it was awful what happened. But since then we trust folks when you you know, when you're doing your libations or anything else you're doing. Right? 00;12;08;25 - 00;12;10;17 Clovia Lawrence So give us an example Doctor WInn. 00;12;10;18 - 00;12;32;03 Dr. Winn Look, people be putting seeds in art. Come on, people be putting all kinds of food and all the rest of these stuff and... or about that is when they talk about, well, you know, girl, I don't got some vitamins and some other things, some scorpion juice. And what we've wind up finding is that what I love about what we get to do is that, first of all, trials are not an experimentation. 00;12;32;05 - 00;12;57;05 Dr. Winn Let's get...at least in in oncology. In a cancer world, a trial means the following. You don't usually put people on to trials without the standard of care. So what I've always told people is that when you're being offered a clinical trial in the cancer sphere, you usually have reached the end of the road of getting the standard of care, that standard ain’t working. 00;12;57;07 - 00;13;26;12 Dr. Winn And so what we offer is the standard of the 21st century is access to hope. That is the hope that whatever trial you're part of will work for you today. In the hope that if it doesn't work today it'll work for somebody tomorrow. So in the African-American community I understand particularly during Black History Month, it is here that the system and our participation in trials has not always been fair, but that's like holding on to a bad relationship. 00;13;26;12 - 00;13;45;24 Dr. Winn You’re in a new one now. So I can't hold on. I remember those ghosts of the past to help me to direct where I'm going in the future. But you can't dance with all them old ghosts and thinking you’re going to get the benefits. So an example of the clinical trial that is absolutely an importance for, African-Americans is I got to be honest with you. 00;13;45;24 - 00;14;09;24 Dr. Winn And, you know, we I'll take a little one. It's kind of a funny one with HIV. We used to say, well, the HIV drugs don't work the same in African-Americans as they do in whites. And it turns out that Doctor Otis Brawley from...who's now at Johns Hopkins, proved that that was incorrect. It wasn't that those drugs didn't respond well, it was just that they weren't getting the same types of treatment until we did a trial and figured out, oh my God, you right. 00;14;09;26 - 00;14;20;00 Dr. Winn So what I'm saying to people is that these trials, we need to...you know how they said when you learn, what was that Maya Angelou? Since the Black History Month said when you know better do better. 00;14;20;00 - 00;14;20;25 Clovia Lawrence Yeah. 00;14;20;28 - 00;14;30;18 Dr. Winn Well we know better now. We know that we ain't just going to say yes to any trial, but we also know that the trials that are available are really an extension of health care. 00;14;30;23 - 00;14;34;28 Dr. Winn Yeah, they're not an experimentation like you do on rats on people. 00;14;35;00 - 00;14;48;19 Clovia Lawrence Thank you so much for clean it up. Now Doctor Adams want to get back to you. You have an ongoing radiation clinical trial actively trying to bring in women of color. Talk about it Doctor A. 00;14;48;21 - 00;15;06;28 Dr. Todd Adams Well this trial started because I would go in and see patients and talk to them about radiation therapy. And I would say to the patients, you know, I think radiation can be really helpful in reducing your risk of the cancer coming back. And they would say, oh, Doctor Adams, I'm good with that. But what about the side effects? 00;15;07;01 - 00;15;29;17 Dr. Todd Adams And I would say to the breast patients that one of the potential side effects, particularly in women of color, is that the skin can become darker in the area where we give radiation. And that darkening of the skin can be like having a really bad suntan on one breast, but the other breast is of normal color. And they would say to me, hold up, Doctor Adams, I'm not okay with that. 00;15;29;20 - 00;15;48;06 Dr. Todd Adams And some patients would even decline treatment. They would they would say no to treatment because they did not like the potential side effects from radiation treatment. So I said to myself, well, something has to be done about this because it is unacceptable that women of color, my patients are turning down potentially life saving treatment because they don't like the side effects. 00;15;48;09 - 00;16;07;11 Dr. Todd Adams And so I went and I looked to see if there was something that can be done about the skin darkening. And there was no FDA approved treatment for this skin darkening. And so I said to myself, you know, someone has to think of something to do in this situation. And it kind of reminded me of the old Harold Melvin and the Blue Note song. 00;16;07;14 - 00;16;26;06 Dr. Todd Adams Wake up everybody. You know, there's a line in there that said, wake up all the doctors. But I think the big point of the song was that the world won't get any better if we just let it be. We have to make a change. Just you and me. And so my what I said to myself is that I have to try to be the change that I would like to see in the world. 00;16;26;08 - 00;16;44;06 Dr. Todd Adams And for my patients, that change is to try to figure out a way to reduce that skin darkening that occurs, particularly and women of color. And by the way, it occurs more intensely in women of color and occurs more frequently in women of color. And women of color dislike it the most. And so I came up with an idea. 00;16;44;13 - 00;17;01;00 Dr. Todd Adams I wrote a clinical trial. I went and presented this, you know, in multiple areas across the country. I went and I presented this as part of the Winn CDA training program. And this trial is now open. And the goal is to reduce the side effects in women of color. 00;17;01;02 - 00;17;10;03 Clovia Lawrence Is that the only side effect, the darkening of where the radiation targeted? Is that the only darkening? 00;17;10;06 - 00;17;30;19 Dr. Todd Adams That's the only area where darkening occurs. There are other skin side effects that occur as a result of radiation treatment. And the topical, that part of my trial is designed to reduce those side effects as well. So although the the main target population for this trial is women of color, this topical that I'm using in the trial is meant to help all patients. 00;17;30;21 - 00;17;36;13 Dr. Todd Adams But the idea started as a result of figuring out a way to help this side effect in women of color. 00;17;36;15 - 00;17;45;15 Clovia Lawrence So women of color, the pigmentation in our skin is causing the darkening. And you have and you want to figure that out, but you need black women. 00;17;45;18 - 00;18;04;16 Dr. Todd Adams We need black women to participate in the trial. We need women, you know, of all types of women of color to participate in the trial, because that darkening, again occurs more commonly in that type of skin. And that's because the there are cells that live in the lower levels of the skin that make the pigment, that make us skin color what it is. 00;18;04;19 - 00;18;16;16 Dr. Todd Adams And those cells are called melanocytes, and those cells can be more overactive in women of color. So the goal is to figure out a way to make those cells less active so that they're not causing that darkening of the skin and women of color. 00;18;16;18 - 00;18;21;09 Clovia Lawrence But you need women to participate so you can get to their trial. 00;18;21;11 - 00;18;39;25 Dr. Todd Adams Without women, the trial will not be successful. Without women, the trial will go nowhere whatsoever. And so we as a cancer center, we as, a cancer community need women to participate to make cancer treatment better for, women of color and for everyone. 00;18;39;28 - 00;18;52;05 Clovia Lawrence Because usually on clinical trials when it's non black it's is usually useful for another race of people. And then we just get the residual of it which might not work for us. 00;18;52;07 - 00;19;17;16 Dr. Todd Adams That's absolutely true. So this time I wanted to flip the script on this. Yeah. And say well let's, let's, let's design this for women of color and then let other people benefit from it. But let's specifically design this for the population that experiences this side effect the most. And I think that's the advantage of having diverse thinking in cancer treatment, is that we need people to think outside the box and to think of a new ways to, you know, really help the people that need it the most. 00;19;17;18 - 00;19;32;00 Clovia Lawrence Now, Doctor Adams, before we take that break and come on back, and I'm just going to pose that question to you, and I want you to hold it kind of like a little cliffhanger till we come back. Do you have to have a particular form of cancer to be a part of a clinical trial? 00;19;32;07 - 00;19;45;00 Dr. Todd Adams The short answer to that is no. Every trial has its guidelines in terms of who that trial is for. But, you know, almost any type of cancer is going to be eligible, at least for some type of clinical trial. 00;19;45;07 - 00;19;54;27 Clovia Lawrence All right. We're going to take a break and come on back. We have more good news. Stay close. This is community Conversations the Black Health Wins podcast. 00;19;54;29 - 00;20;01;24 Dr. Winn I'm Dr. Rob Winn and you're listening to Real Cancer Talk from VCU Massey Comprehensive Cancer Center. 00;20;01;26 - 00;20;27;11 Clovia Lawrence Welcome back to Community Conversations. I am Miss Community Clovia, and you're in tuned to Community Conversations, The Black Health Wins podcast. We're in the midst of this Black History Month. We can talk about all of the great inventors, researchers, doctors, but we're talking about black health. And with this black health we started in this month. But we we salute and we celebrate our black health 365 00;20;27;11 - 00;20;49;15 Clovia Lawrence And we're going to end the disparities in the black community. And I am so honored to have him. Doctor Todd Adams is Assistant Professor in the Department of Radiation Oncology at VCU Massey Comprehensive Center, and always keeping us in a win win situation is Doctor Robert Winn of VCU Massey. Doctor A and Doctor Winn, welcome back to the show. 00;20;49;18 - 00;20;50;00 Dr. Todd Adams Thank you, 00;20;50;03 - 00;21;10;00 Clovia Lawrence Doctor Winn. Oh you glad you’re back? We left before Doctor A and I was like I posed the question, do you have to have a particular form of cancer to be involved or be eligible for a clinical trial? And you said the short answer was no. Can you explain? 00;21;10;02 - 00;21;40;05 Dr. Todd Adams Clinical. There are multiple clinical trials that are offered at different cancer centers across the country. And here at VCU Massey Comprehensive Cancer Center, we offer a wide array of clinical trials designed to help improve the care for, hopefully, every type of cancer that a person has. And so you don't have to have a particular type of cancer to be involved in a clinical trial because we're trying to create clinical trials for all types of cancers so that we can improve the standard of care for all types of people. 00;21;40;07 - 00;21;46;23 Clovia Lawrence Wow. What resources are available for people to find out more about clinical trials at Massey? 00;21;46;25 - 00;22;03;16 Dr. Todd Adams Clinical trials are often brought up when patients come in for their consultation to talk about treatment. And so one of the first things that patients can do is just keep an open mind when you come into the cancer center for consultation. If you walk in the door and say, oh no, I'm not going to participate in a clinical trial. 00;22;03;21 - 00;22;20;08 Dr. Todd Adams No, no, all that bad stuff that happened in the past, you know, it's going to happen again. We have to get with the new times. We have to get with the new flavor and the new flavors that we want to improve cancer care and improve the health of all types of people. And so not every clinical trial is for every single person. 00;22;20;08 - 00;22;41;00 Dr. Todd Adams But if you come in with a closed mind, that's not going to help transform the health of African-Americans. And it's not going to help transform cancer care for everyone across the spectrum. We also have clinical trial nurses that help that help us. And then there's a number that you can call in to Massey Cancer Center if you're interested and participating in the clinical trial. 00;22;41;03 - 00;23;05;06 Clovia Lawrence Okay. Or you could just simply go to the website at MasseyCancerCenter.org. That's MasseyCancercenter.org. You can search for clinical trials. Now Doctor A, I can almost hear my listeners right while they're in their homes or wherever they're streaming. What's the first process to a clinical trial? Does it hurt? That's a big four letter word. 00;23;05;07 - 00;23;28;05 Dr. Todd Adams You know, I can tell you that with my clinical trial is designed to hurt as little as possible. And when we design clinical trials these days, we also know that a lot of times, participating in clinical trials takes a certain amount of time of patients. So we're really cognizant of that. We're really aware of that. So we also design clinical trials to make it as easy for patients to participate as possible. 00;23;28;07 - 00;23;40;04 Dr. Todd Adams We keep track of side effects that occur when patients are in clinical trials, because we want that to be as acceptable as possible. And so the goal is to make it as easy and as comfortable and a safe for patients as possible. 00;23;40;10 - 00;24;07;25 Clovia Lawrence Okay, doctor Adams, thank you so much for this wealth of information. Women of color, you are wanted for clinical trials. And if you have any questions about the process, please go to MasseyCancercenter.org. That's MasseyCancercenter.org. Just get more information. You are needed. And what I like most about what you said, Doctor Adams, you said look we want to start with women of color and then we want to. 00;24;07;29 - 00;24;28;01 Clovia Lawrence And then the general population. But it's usually in reverse. We have the general population and people of color. And so the mere fact the window, the doors are open for us to start this now, and we could be a lot further along if we just participate. Don't you agree, Doctor Adams? 00;24;28;04 - 00;24;58;27 Dr. Todd Adams That is absolutely true. The only way to make the health of African American African-American women and to make the health of African-Americans in general better, is to participate in clinical trials. That is the thing that improves the standard of care. That is the thing that saves lives. That is the thing that helps us live longer. And frankly, I'm tired of us living with substandard, you know, substandard health and not living as long as other groups only because we're not participating in the process to allow us to live longer. 00;24;59;00 - 00;25;16;04 Clovia Lawrence Doctor Adams, I hear the passionate, the passion in your voice. Definitely. Please just try to research it. Get more information, go to MasseyCancerCenter.org. Doctor Todd Adams, thank you so much. And now we're going to health it all the way up with Doctor Robert Winn. 00;25;16;06 - 00;25;36;03 Dr. Winn And so you know this has been a great discussion as always. My hat's off to you, Community Clovia for bringing the best not information but knowledge to our community. So I appreciate so in the spirit, you know, Adams was dropping you know. So your boy Teddy Pendergrass talk about. Oh, come on now, wake up everybody. 00;25;36;03 - 00;25;49;11 Dr. Winn So in that context, as we close out Black History Month, I want to remind everybody about what the song Curtis Mayfield dropped. To continue us and to continue to remind us to move on up. Alright? That's how we going to do it. 00;25;49;12 - 00;26;01;10 Clovia Lawrence That's how we going to sum it up. We going to health it all the way up. And we're going to move it all the way up. This has been Community Conversations, the Black Health Wins podcast all the way up.