00:00:00:15 - 00:00:08:07 Dr. Winn I'm Dr. Rob Winn and you're listening to Real Cancer Talk from VCU Massey Comprehensive Cancer Center. 00:00:08:09 - 00:00:32:22 Dr. Winn It is good to have you, Doctor Nelson with us today. This is, you're getting to the close of our, celebrating, Black History Month. It has been in, I mean, a really amazing month for us of reflection about, not only, the recalling of our history, but also, looking ahead. 00:00:32:24 - 00:00:53:22 Dr. Winn It's in that context, Doctor Nelson, that when we were thinking about people to invite, particularly, young people on the come up. Your name came up multiple times, and I think rightfully so. So, you know, I know that you're doing amazing things at the Hollings Cancer Center at, MUSC. That's in South Carolina. 00:00:53:24 - 00:01:19:09 Dr. Winn But I would like for you to start off with just telling us a little bit about yourself. But more importantly, like, once you tell us, why, you of all the possible things, you could be doing, girl, why all of a sudden, you, you know, giving your life to research. But we'll get there in a second. But if you could just tell me a little bit about you, where you been and and who are the influences in, you know, in your family of getting you to where you are right now? 00:01:19:11 - 00:01:21:01 Dr. Nelson Sure. So first, 00:01:21:04 - 00:01:43:04 Dr. Nelson thank you, Doctor Winn. This is a...I love this segment. I think it's it's wonderful what you described, to kind of future, different folks that are, as you say, on the come up. So I appreciate that. But I think one of the things, that is holding my attention, right now are all things related to workforce development. 00:01:43:04 - 00:02:08:07 Dr. Nelson So that kind of brings me to this space that I'm in now. So I was trained, as a public health researcher. I had some my master's, was in biomedical science. So I kind of blended, infused those two together, in the work that I have now. So I do a lot of work in rural health communities, utilizing a lot of, public health aspects and interventions. 00:02:08:13 - 00:02:38:13 Dr. Nelson We have an opportunity to improve rural health access, with a variety of different folk. That’s why I research head, neck cancer, literacy, oral health. We do a good bit of cardiovascular work on my team. And that is within the Division of population oral health at the College of Dental Medicine. But my, my prime time and, and fun partnerships and collaborations are with the cancer center, and that's where I dutifully serve, as the assistant director for the Office of Workforce Development. 00:02:38:15 - 00:02:48:21 Dr. Winn Yeah, I got that. So as we talk about development, I listen, you know that you always say pursue that I'm going to go to college. I'm going to get a PhD? How did that how did that road look? 00:02:48:21 - 00:02:55:01 Dr. Nelson I absolutely think that that was the nurturing of my support system, 00:02:55:03 - 00:03:13:11 Dr. Nelson which was directly influenced by my father. Military for over 22 years. Major in the army. Well, my mother was, registered nurse, BSN, and she actually graduated from the Medical University of South Carolina. And we, you know, we can't see this on the podcast. 00:03:13:13 - 00:03:25:13 Dr. Nelson But behind me, in this direction, is a certificate of achievement and, contributions to the medical University of South Carolina for 16 years, which is my Nana. 00:03:25:13 - 00:03:55:04 Dr. Nelson So that is my mom's mom. So I'm standing on the shoulders of two giants, one beginning without a degree, focused on contributing to the community here. My mother as a nurse, and then here I come, many decades later, contributing to the field of science and cancer. So those are those are my influences. But I've always had a focus at an early age primary school around health and science. 00:03:55:06 - 00:04:20:18 Dr. Nelson I think my collegiate years really pushed me forward, as a part of my sorority in Alpha Kappa Alpha sorority incorporated. I was introduced to a lot of different mentors, and more specifically, the legacy of other women leaders inside of science, outside of science. But doctor Jewel Cobb, specifically had had a hold on my understanding of, I really can make this work. 00:04:20:19 - 00:04:39:04 Dr. Nelson I can do public health, I can do, I can do cancer, I can do advocacy for health care access. And I think those experiences shifted my, my focus from, from clinical to community impact. And that really that really did a number on my professional path. 00:04:39:06 - 00:05:02:24 Dr. Winn You know, I am so glad. And we're going to lean in a little bit into two of the things you said. The first is there is sometimes in this field an idea that as particularly African-Americans, that we are the first generation of what I loved about what the story you just told us a little bit about yourself and the team to get you there. 00:05:03:01 - 00:05:26:24 Dr. Winn Is that you stand on the shoulders of people who have laid the foundation. So as we're talking to other young people, particularly young people in middle school, high school, undergraduate medical school, graduate school, I think that the that the importance of having that foundation, in your family, I think is really not unique, but it's a story that we need to tell more. 00:05:27:05 - 00:05:39:16 Dr. Winn But I do have a question for those folks who may not actually have that, rich family history as you have, and then the benefactor of that, how do they build community? 00:05:39:18 - 00:05:44:19 Dr. Nelson I think I think building community starts from a passion. 00:05:44:21 - 00:06:08:12 Dr. Nelson So in my case, I definitely had a village, but there were not there wasn't anybody doing research. It was you should be a nurse like your mom, or you should be a pediatrician or you should be a dentist, for that matter. And so I think building community in your passion area is critical as, as, as early as as as seen fit. 00:06:08:12 - 00:06:41:09 Dr. Nelson Right. So I started out with these different ideals around clinical careers. And then I had this pivot once exposure to other mentors, and other organizations really provided the environment for me to feed on. So I think starting that community, it starts with curiosity. It starts with using the assets around you. If there's a pre-health organization or there are folks in your church that might have some sort of access, it might not be direct access to someone, but they know somebody that knows somebody that knows somebody. 00:06:41:11 - 00:07:00:03 Dr. Nelson And so that is that's always a great start. And it always it only takes one small seed for it to really grow into something pretty, pretty big. And it can launch you and propel you in a situation where you, you really get a hold of your, your final passion. So I think community is huge. 00:07:00:05 - 00:07:11:10 Dr. Winn I really love what you just said. And, you know, the issue of passion, but you're recognizing that, you know, since the 60s we have developed networks. 00:07:11:12 - 00:07:31:04 Dr. Winn You know, one of those that you pointed out there was a group, as you said, of a women who've had an impact and influence in your life. And so could you, you know, lean into that a little bit more and tell us you, you know, talk about that, Cobb and others, but who have been some of the major influences and in fact, what we're recognizing is that they're not then they may be African-American, but they may not. 00:07:31:04 - 00:07:33:13 Dr. Winn So could you talk a little bit about that? 00:07:33:15 - 00:07:45:04 Dr. Nelson Absolutely. I and I, obviously, mentioning my Doctor Cobb, but I do want to point out a few, a few other folks that have been, extremely influential. 00:07:45:06 - 00:08:05:16 Dr. Nelson Number one, my mother, dedicated nurse first, continued to pour into my interest in science and medicine. She has a huge compassion level. I've witnessed her go from from mom to nurse in, in 30s, all while, you know, raising three daughters, military wife. 00:08:05:21 - 00:08:39:12 Dr. Nelson So there's a there's a resiliency there. I also know that, my maternal grandmother, we we call Nana. She has since passed, but despite her her third grade education and limited literacy in all aspects, not just health literacy, her exemplification of I'm not going to give up because of this thing has shown me that when you nurture a path for yourself and others, even though there are barriers, it is still possible. We can still change what's possible. 00:08:39:18 - 00:09:21:13 Dr. Nelson Now. That's tagline for MUSC, but that that definitely applies here, sir. But there is definitely an opportunity to change what's possible. And dare I say that my Nana and her contribution of years here, she made that a tagline before was a tagline. So I believe that my pursued work in public health, advocating for health care access, workforce leadership, and my research that propels an opportunity to keep people healthy all while promoting well-being, really aims to propel the field of science forward through creating opportunities for people to thrive in science and medicine. 00:09:21:15 - 00:09:44:11 Dr. Winn Now, you said something about and I'm really fascinated. And so I'm going to dig a little bit deeper. You had the opportunity just to be a care provider, like, you know, like me and like many others. Right? Yet you chose the field of research. And I want to dig a little bit deeper. Why? Because, you know, it wasn't just that somebody else did it? 00:09:44:11 - 00:09:56:23 Dr. Winn Did it just look good? Was it just some big question that you had burning, that you were like, this is not being answered the only way to do this, do research? How did you get to the research component of what you do? 00:09:57:00 - 00:09:58:11 Dr. Nelson Absolutely. So 00:09:58:13 - 00:10:39:16 Dr. Nelson started out in that clinical track. I had a lot of great exposure. I found myself working in a research lab, doing a good bit of things around periodontal disease, and its outcomes in animal model research. And I spent a lot of time with my maternal grandmother, my Nana and we had an incident where I accompanied her to the dentist and in that exchange, and her, 76 year old self, she had an exchange with the front office person, and we were going through numbers and we were going through a care treatment plan. 00:10:39:18 - 00:11:22:15 Dr. Nelson And I realized in that moment that my Nana, who was always superwoman, had some limitations to her cape. And so from that, I realized, I, I've got to switch a different knob now. And that, that I've always had an interest in science and clinical care, and I was kind of teetering. And I think that propelled me to say, you know, Joni, you understand the science and you understand the health outcomes, but there is an in-between there, and there is an opportunity for you to fill a gap, for those who have access, but still may be limited in their quality of receipt, and there's an opportunity to create a research line. 00:11:22:17 - 00:11:33:24 Dr. Nelson Thereby we can create pathways where we can cultivate, not only an opportunity to meet community needs, but also cultivate another generation in a cohort like myself that do so. 00:11:34:01 - 00:11:45:21 Dr. Winn So you know what? I love what you just talked about in the context of the academic framework, of essentially what health delivery systems are and helpful mutation. And part of that is the workforce delivery. 00:11:45:23 - 00:11:55:22 Dr. Winn I was going to ask you, we're going to change gears a little bit. I was going to ask you a little bit before we change gears, though, about, you know, you have talked about you say, okay, you want brought it up, you know, what's up with that? 00:11:55:22 - 00:12:20:21 Dr. Winn So now we going to talk a little bit about it. You know the Divine Nine. As you think about the history of those sororities and fraternities. It was African-American for you know, sororities and fraternities. They were important to people like MLK, Martin Luther King Junior. They were important to many people. But what role has the Divine Nine? And could you tell us a little bit about not only the Divine Nine, but their impact in the field of health? 00:12:20:23 - 00:12:30:22 Dr. Nelson Absolutely. So I would I'm going to speak from my experience, with Alpha Kappa Alpha sorority incorporated. I must say the first and the finest, 00:12:30:24 - 00:12:32:23 Dr. Nelson but I, I. 00:12:33:01 - 00:12:34:02 Dr. Winn Do that I was waiting. 00:12:34:03 - 00:12:35:02 Dr. Nelson It's a necessity. 00:12:35:07 - 00:12:37:20 Dr. Winn Listen, I was waiting. I was waiting for that. 00:12:37:22 - 00:12:42:13 Dr. Nelson The only original. So I, I will say that 00:12:42:15 - 00:13:09:17 Dr. Nelson from my, membership, which will be 20 years, in 2027, I will say that the access, the delivery, the, integrity and the structure of our sorority is vast and wide. So it goes across multiple disciplines, whether it's health, whether it's economic, whether it's business development, whether it's international. 00:13:09:19 - 00:13:44:22 Dr. Nelson And I think because of those strengths in those connections, we have created a safety net inside of our other brothers and sisters, whereby we can push out, doctors and leaders who are, you know, the tops of the National Science Foundation, the National Institutes of Health, the National Academy of Science and Medicine. And I think because of those networks, little Joni and and and little Rob, having had that access to some of these huge leaders to create pathways for those that are behind us. 00:13:44:24 - 00:13:56:17 Dr. Nelson And so I think that the opening of such illustrious organizations have created a foundation for us to consistently thrive over time. 00:13:56:19 - 00:14:12:10 Dr. Winn You know, I love what you said and those have, those organizations, I think sometimes, are not really given the weight, of their impact throughout the United States of benefiting war people, because you do have some of the leaders. 00:14:12:12 - 00:14:23:01 Dr. Winn So in thinking about leaders and, and thinking about your roles and your roles, you know, at MUSC and, and at the Hollings Cancer Center, you play leadership roles. 00:14:23:06 - 00:14:36:15 Dr. Winn So what drew you to leadership and what particular, do you think either skill set or some that extra something special. Do you bring to your leadership roles? 00:14:36:17 - 00:14:48:07 Dr. Nelson Absolutely. I think what has always drawn me to, to leadership is to sit in a place of influence, not necessarily power, but influence. 00:14:48:09 - 00:15:17:21 Dr. Nelson I talked about earlier, creating pathways for health care access, opportunities for new and innovative research. And I think these leadership roles that I am sitting in, although earned, have an opportunity for critical path decisions, whether it be workforce, whether it be research intensive, whether it be new pathways to sustain our faculty or staff or to retain our trainees to come back and continue to work with us. 00:15:17:23 - 00:15:49:19 Dr. Nelson I believe that that that is a passion of mine to create a community that keeps growing beyond my tenure. I think that the cancer center has a unique space in my heart, because of those those who we have known that have been impacted by those diagnoses, but even more so for myself, I'm a country girl, so I have a context and an understanding of what that looks, what community looks like. 00:15:49:21 - 00:16:08:23 Dr. Nelson And, our, our, our communities that are not geographically placed next to the biggest clinical site. And so I think that here, in my understanding, the context, having been trained by a scientist and there's an opportunity for me to contribute to leadership which may otherwise be missed. 00:16:09:00 - 00:16:41:05 Dr. Winn And what you said, which I really like, is that your research is certainly something that you're passionate about, workforce development, but what I heard you say, is that rural communities, whether you know, independent of where they are, are frequently some of the have some of the worst health outcomes in the United States. And so whether you're in Kentucky or whether you're in West Virginia or whether you're in North Carolina, South Carolina, we know that that is a national issue. 00:16:41:07 - 00:17:05:09 Dr. Winn So the quick question I have is how would your focus on that aspect of rural, how do you sort of see, your contributions to it? And, and, and the second follow up question that before I even get to it is going to be why the focus on rural? Because there are multiple communities. Why the rural community in particular? 00:17:05:09 - 00:17:16:21 Dr. Winn So maybe you want to start with why the rural community and then tell me what your project or what your focus is going to do to try to help reduce, that gap and improve the health of rural communities? 00:17:16:23 - 00:17:22:14 Dr. Nelson Absolutely. I think why rural community? My question back is why not? 00:17:22:16 - 00:17:46:08 Dr. Nelson We have already seen in evidence based literature, that populations of high need in many different gamuts, whether it's oral health, whether it's cancer outcomes, whether it's chronic disease management, we had seen our high need and in rural communities are often in places of health professional shortage areas, those geographic maps are in alignment. 00:17:46:10 - 00:18:17:03 Dr. Nelson We also know, that the dissemination is, is often times at a slower rate for some of those innovations. We're seeing a lot of AI tools being used. We're seeing a lot of interventions being placed. And we know that the, the, the, the slower poor, into some of our communities of high need in, in rural areas create this gap in outcomes as it relates to lots of different health outcomes, specifically cancer. 00:18:17:05 - 00:18:46:21 Dr. Nelson And so one of just the highlights of, one of the projects that we are prioritizing, is the initiative for clinical trials in education. So we always have a priority of ensuring that the best interventions, the, the best efficacy in, in, in drugs, in other resolutions for, for patients with cancer diagnoses that that those needs are being met with the highest quality treatment. 00:18:46:23 - 00:19:38:14 Dr. Nelson What we what we have been thinking about is understanding the workforce to supply that need. And that's thinking about the exposure of clinical trials and education, particularly in hidden spots that we don't always think about. And for for South Carolina, one of our priority areas in training that workforce is technical colleges. So our technical colleges in our state are just beautifully aligned with a lot of our regional health networks, which creates an opportunity for a trained workforce to rise up, to be able to meet the need of clinical trials occurring, increasing accrual and creating a natural, communication between community members as leaders, home grown individuals in that workforce to create these opportunities for recruitment 00:19:38:14 - 00:19:43:10 Dr. Nelson for clinical trials in their their local areas, especially our rural communities. 00:19:43:12 - 00:19:57:01 Dr. Winn You know, that's interesting. And so I, you know, I have I want to lean in a little bit because you said something and again, you're too humble to sort of say you are part of an inaugural group, an amazing group. 00:19:57:02 - 00:19:58:02 Dr. Nelson Right. 00:19:58:04 - 00:20:27:16 Dr. Winn Called the ELACC. That stands for Executive Leadership Academy for Cancer Centers. Can you tell me, one, it was clear that, yeah, I can see exactly why you were picked to be one of the upcoming leaders of tomorrow. But can you tell me what that program a little bit more about the program and what you think you've learned through the program to make you, hopefully, skills to make you a better leader? 00:20:27:18 - 00:20:29:05 Dr. Nelson Absolutely. So 00:20:29:07 - 00:21:12:13 Dr. Nelson our ELACC Fellows Program has been a I think, a sentinel pivot for me just personally for my leadership training. It's an 18 month intensive leadership academy, in partnership obviously with, with VCU, six on each side. So so we're not alone. So we have a cohort. It's the first of its kind with these in-depth trainings, over a period of time, where we are literally being trained step by step on understanding the leadership characteristics of cancer Center directors, leaders program directors. 00:21:12:15 - 00:21:50:17 Dr. Nelson It's a true game changer for someone like myself who has been exposed in training and lots of leadership skills. But the understanding of all aspects such as things like all aspects of the the Cancer Center Support grant, that P30 understanding our, the federal funding compositions, creating a matrices of what that would look like if we were we're running it as a simulation. Giving us one on one, skills on how to better improve our leadership skills through things like leadership 360. 00:21:50:19 - 00:22:20:07 Dr. Nelson Having a one on one mentor and sponsor has been one of the biggest in significant, influences, I would say, at this stage in my leadership preparation. And so I, I think we're we have received a litany of content, around cancer centers all the way from, from from pivots from programs to advanced diversity to what does your data-2 table look like? 00:22:20:09 - 00:22:53:09 Dr. Nelson Doctor Winn, if I have to see that table one more time, I've been dreaming of it. That, that is how entrenched this program is. And so these, these pieces all are thread together to, they're weaving us together to not only be individually prepared as leaders, but how to work on a leadership team. And I believe that all of those aspects, are definitely not only going to be a part of my toolbox, but at the forefront of my toolbox as I move forward. 00:22:53:11 - 00:23:17:07 Dr. Winn You know, thank you for reflecting on that. I will say that, you know, I always say that, in the Olympics, we see numbers of people that they have core things that they all have to do as athletes. And so that's like leadership, their core leadership's. But if you want to be specific about ice skating and figure skating or specific about doing the pike or specific about doing a certain event, you have to have specific training. 00:23:17:09 - 00:23:35:19 Dr. Winn But I think that you're reflecting and you are a great I think, an amazing reflection of this new trend of saying leadership is like being an athlete. You have to be in condition. There's lots of things you have to do. But for your specific event to actually have specific training around cancer centers, I think is something that is wonderful. 00:23:35:19 - 00:23:41:18 Dr. Winn So I know we're coming to the end. So, I'm going to ask you a couple questions. I hope you ready? 00:23:41:20 - 00:23:42:05 Dr. Nelson Ready. 00:23:42:09 - 00:24:01:24 Dr. Winn All right. So the first question I have for you is, being reflective of this month, if you had to name one, doesn't really matter who they can be in the field, not in the field, but who would you say in reflecting of a Black History Month? Is one of the people that have had the most impact on you? 00:24:02:01 - 00:24:17:20 Dr. Winn And it could be a historical figure or not historical figure. It could be they could be African-American or not. But if you think in reflecting on the impact of, Black History Month, is there someone who stands up for you who's been a major impact player for you? 00:24:17:22 - 00:24:29:05 Dr. Nelson I yes, absolutely. And, and and the reason why I'm prioritizing, Doctor Carter Edwards. She. Doctor Lori Carter Edwards. 00:24:29:05 - 00:24:29:24 Dr. Winn Come on now. 00:24:30:01 - 00:24:47:05 Dr. Nelson She she is, Associate Dean for Community Engagement and Government Affairs at Kaiser Permanente, Bernard J. Tyson School of Medicine, and Dr. Lori Carter Edwards is the epitome of excellence. Okay, so let let's start there. 00:24:47:11 - 00:25:25:01 Dr. Nelson She is the epitome of of excellence in her field. She has had a huge, influential permanency on my understanding of, of leadership, understanding public health leadership and understanding the governance of what it looks like to interprofessionally, collaborate. And the reason why she is that I've, I've spent a little over this last year of her involvement with the Evidence Academy, which we hosted this past fall at the Hollings Cancer Center. 00:25:25:06 - 00:26:00:04 Dr. Nelson And that Evidence Academy was focused on cancer workforce development, where we brought over 52 leaders across South Carolina to engage in strategies and next steps, for what it would look like to build a retainable and a sustained cancer workforce across all different ladders of, of a cancer emporium, if you will. And so, Doctor Carter-Edwards, her, her CV speaks for itself and it and and it precedes a lot of, a lot of what I have done. 00:26:00:06 - 00:26:29:12 Dr. Nelson But I, I believe that her, work not only as a, as a current Eelam scholar, not only as a director at Kaiser Permanente and a faculty member, in her work, with the with national CTSA groups on community engagement. But her her ability, to structure bringing up the next generation, all while holding the torch forward, is unparalleled. 00:26:29:14 - 00:26:36:03 Dr. Winn I think that that's awesome. And thank you for giving it. I mean, I'm honest with you, as you sort of say, her work speaks for itself. 00:26:36:03 - 00:26:37:02 Dr. Nelson Absolutely. 00:26:37:04 - 00:26:44:14 Dr. Winn So, you know, so, so in that vein, what brings you the most hope? 00:26:44:16 - 00:26:47:01 Dr. Nelson Absolutely. I think I think 00:26:47:03 - 00:27:27:16 Dr. Nelson I'm I'm encouraged. And I've stated this previously, but I think it's important, for for repetition here. I'm encouraged by the, the growing strategies for a cancer workforce. I think that there are new paths that will be that will be taken, I think, in my role as Assistant Director for the Office of Workforce Development in my cancer center, I believe that there's always an opportunity to strengthen the training, strengthen the education, recruit new talent and not and and not be remiss of sustaining the skilled professionals that we have. 00:27:27:18 - 00:27:47:08 Dr. Nelson So I have a hope that we can continue to cultivate the next generation of health care leaders and create, create new pathways along the way that that not for the sake of creating new pathways and roles, but for equipping the evolving needs of our communities and catchment areas that we're serving. 00:27:47:10 - 00:27:57:23 Dr. Winn Awesome. Last two questions. What's the message to the people in the future, to the people who you want to influence in the future? 00:27:58:00 - 00:28:25:03 Dr. Nelson You stumped me with that one Dr. Winn. I think that, the message for, for for those, for the future is to not omit what precedes you. I think I think there's a lot of times where, we can do millennial, we can do Gen Z, we can do Gen Alpha, we can do we can do whatever cohort. 00:28:25:05 - 00:28:55:13 Dr. Nelson But I think it is important to not omit what precedes us. I gave a lot of different names earlier who have influenced me. What triggered me into this career of science. And if we do not train ourselves to remember what precedes us, we are not going to effectively stand on the shoulders of those giants. And that that that should be a priority goal, to extend further than what their wings have done. 00:28:55:15 - 00:29:15:12 Dr. Winn I love that. My last question to you is going to be, all right, we've talked about the message you’re giveing to the people in the future. What is the message that you want the people who have actually those foundation builders, what do you want them to know about, you know, your crew and your folks time right now to come up? 00:29:15:14 - 00:29:26:23 Dr. Nelson Our, my, my cohort on that come up on the come up with me remain humble with a beautiful work ethic. 00:29:27:00 - 00:29:41:21 Dr. Nelson If we if we are not humble lest we fall. There are a lot of leaders that we are exposed to. And I and I know we got the new hotness and we're doing all the things that are super innovative. 00:29:41:23 - 00:30:19:09 Dr. Nelson But I also think two things can be true at the same time. So I think as I remain humble, I also need to remain dutiful to to those leaders who have been in those spaces. So, that that is what I would share with, with my fine cohort with me, who are at the whims of tenure and promotion and, and new grants and, and competitiveness, with, you know, NIH and and creating new pathways for themselves, and new, new new director roles and new direct reports. 00:30:19:11 - 00:30:40:05 Dr. Nelson I would say to, to my folks to to remain humble, knowing that there that that there is help. Those who are in existing leadership roles, are not without struggle. And so it would be wise, if we understood the landmines that they stepped on so that we don't repeat. 00:30:40:07 - 00:31:09:00 Dr. Winn You know what? That's great wisdom. And by the way, I think, if you were giving that message to the folks who are, let's just say that they're a little bit more seasoned. This is the reason why I think the folks who've come before you actually have a lot of hope in you and your generation of scientists, of leaders, of health care providers, because it is not true that there is a generation that doesn't care. 00:31:09:00 - 00:31:44:04 Dr. Winn What I see emblematic through you is a is one that not only cares, but is strategic and tactical enough to want to make impact real impact on how people's lives are impacted. So listen, Doctor Nelson, thank you for joining us. And again, want to just, say thank you to you and being able to be part of our reflection, on this month in the context, for the Cancer Letter, in the in, in our, reflecting on the greatness, the promise, the hope and just the connectedness to our Black History Month. 00:31:44:04 - 00:31:46:19 Dr. Winn So, Doctor Nelson, thank you very much. 00:31:46:21 - 00:31:47:22 Dr. Nelson You’re welcome and thank you.