Today, we're talking filthy wretches, pots and
cholera, and hashtag brown the bestest boy, it's
Rule of Rose for the PlayStation 2. Hello everyone,
welcome to Retro Gaming Beyond Presents Retro
Game Club. We're your hosts, the Pointless Purveyors
of Programming, Joe, Eric, Ryan, and Jacob Vanderloski.
And today we are talking Laws of the Red Garden
Flower, or Rule of Rose, for the PS2. First,
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text. All right. All right, let's go ahead and
get to our diversion before the main excursion
here. We've got Word of the Nerd today because
we're into all kinds of stuff, video games, movies,
music, TV shows, mangas recently. Apparently,
we're all getting into mangas. Yeah. So what
have you guys been doing? What else you guys
got going on? I finished all my berserks, bro.
Nice. Nice. I've read every single thing. Wow.
Even the new one. And it's good? Do you like
it? Oh, man, it's the best thing ever. All right.
It's so good. The new one was pretty cool. I'm
excited to see where they go with the story.
Is that the one that was written by his friend,
like, after he's passed? Yeah, the studio that,
I mean, that kind of wrote all the books with
him anyways. Yeah, oh, okay, cool. But, yeah,
so. I'm not too sure what the timeline on those
are, when they're coming out or not. And then
they had like a one spinoff novel that they wrote,
and I'm reading that right now. But it's pretty
cool. It's like in lore? Yeah. Yeah, it's about
one of the bad guys in the book. Cool. I started
watching the anime. I'm only like an episode
or two in. I've been recently playing some Ninja
Gaiden Sigma. Yeah, the crappy version. well
as as the internet would would uh would say yeah
well they would say that about anything so yeah
for sure no dude the game's awesome uh it's it's
it's a hard game it's a hard game yeah i've i've
never played them but i know they're i've always
wanted to but i know they're like pretty difficult
it's pretty tough it took me a while to understand
like the mechanics and stuff yeah they're kind
of they're kind of like like the from software
games aren't they yeah i guess you could just
like high difficulty kind of stuff yeah just
and it's it's an older game too so it hasn't
aged that well like a lot of the uh quality of
life stuff isn't there but it's awesome hack
and slash games are probably like one of my favorite
genres so yeah you you you play them a lot yep
i mean i like them i got i got that collection
so i got one two and three yeah yeah nice Other
than that, this week I haven't done anything,
man. Yesterday was the first time I played video
games all week. Oh, yeah. It's because Rule of
Rose took it all out of you. Yeah, I just ain't
got the energy. Well, we better have it tonight.
I'm bringing the energy tonight. Did you drink
your sour monkey? No, I didn't. I'm drinking
my regular water. I almost got some sour monkey
tonight. It was an IPA, but it was like a pineapple
IPA. I don't know, it sounded pretty good. Juicy
monkey, I think it's called. Oh yeah, I've seen
that. I didn't get it though. I don't like IPAs.
I don't either, but it sounded pretty good. It
was like pineapple and cherry or something. yeah
if it's from them i i would probably try it yeah
i've seen it before yeah all right cool all right
that's for that's enough for me yeah that's enough
from you who's next um i beat resident evil 4
oh nice without any more crashes no i i fixed
it oh okay i just messed with a bunch of things
to get it to work and yeah it worked so i i have
no idea what fixed it and i i didn't complain
so So you've played every Resident Evil now?
Well, the mainline ones, right? One through eight,
yeah. Well, yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah. Was
four your favorite? I don't know. It is really
good. But I don't know. I think five's my favorite.
I haven't gone through four. But, dude, five
was awesome. Five was really, really good. Isn't
that the one everyone hates, or is that six?
No, I really hate 6. I don't know, dude. I really
love 7 and 8 a lot. I know they're very different
from the other ones, but 7 and 8, man. 8's so
good. But again, I think 8 and 4 are pretty similar.
I want to play the VR versions of 7 and 8. Bro,
you're going to shit your pants. I'd probably
do that anyway. 7 was scary. Yeah. Imagine it
in VR, bro. I wasn't that scared on 8. Yeah,
it was more action -y, I guess. I haven't beaten
the game yet. Psychological. But I think one
of those two were probably my favorites. It's
just, I don't know. I haven't beaten 8, but I
thought 8 was just too much. Yeah, I mean, I
can see that, but you also haven't beaten past
the first chapter. You played the Resident Evil
7 and 8, right? Yeah, I played 7 and 8. I thought
they were really awesome. Yeah. Have you played
them yet? No, I never beat the first one. I know
what's it called. You've played it though, haven't
you? No, I never have. I didn't even play the
remake that they did for the GameCube. So I played
the 2 remake, 3 remake, 4 remake, 5, a little
bit of 6, and 7 and 8. I also played Code Veronica.
The Dreamcast one? Yeah, I've played the first
one, but I've never beaten it. And I've heard
the remake of 3, they took a lot of stuff out
of the game. So I would like to play the original
and see. Why can't they just leave games alone?
I don't know, dude. I really don't. From what
I've heard, 2 and 4 are very... Look into fucking
Ninja Gaiden, bro. God damn. They've mutilated
all those games. Yeah, I don't know why they
do that. There's three for one game. There's
original, Sigma, and Black, and all three of
them are different. And that's like that for
three games. Yeah, that's crazy. Tangent over.
What is Resident Evil Zero? Is that a remake
of something, or is that a different game? It's
a different game. Oh, okay. Is it like a prequel?
No, I think it's its own thing. I think it happens
during the first game, if I'm not mistaken. It
happens around the time of the first game, if
I'm not mistaken. Oh, okay. Yeah, isn't Zero...
Isn't, like, House of the Dead gameplay, or is
it... It's still, like, the tank controls of
the PlayStation. I don't know how familiar you
are with the remake of Resident Evil for the
GameCube, but it's essentially, like, the exact
same thing. Right. What's the on -rails one?
Isn't there like an on -rails one? It's the Survivor
series. I think it's the Survivor series. I'm
pretty sure they made a game that was like House
of the Dead. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
Oh, is that what it is? That's what I'm thinking
of then. We should play Revelations too. I think
those are the DS ones or whatever. Yeah, I've
heard those are really good. And then what we
really need to play is Sweet Home. You guys ever
play Sweet Home? That game's dope. Sweet Home
Alabama? No, it's the NES game that inspired
Resident Evil. Oh, no, I didn't know that. It's
pretty dope. It's actually a really fun game.
It's tough as shit, though. Is the gameplay any
good? Yeah, it's actually pretty cool. It's like
a mix of an RPG and an action puzzle platformer
game. I don't know, it's got a lot of shit in
it. It's really fun. Does the story make any
sense? Honestly, I don't remember. But you have
like six characters. I think it was like six
and each one of them has like a unique thing
and you can like switch between any of them at
any time. It's really cool. Oh, nice. It's pretty
crazy. Huh? GTA? GTA? Yeah, you said you can
switch between. Yeah, that's not the only game
that does that. Yeah, that's the only game. No,
this is on NES. This is like 30 years before
that. No, GTA did it first. Alright, whatever.
What else? Anybody else got anything else? What
else is going on? Jacob, what have you been doing?
Ryan, did you have anything else? I started Underground,
Tony Hawk's Underground. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. That's pretty much it. It's the only two
things. Underground was dope. Yeah, dude. I haven't
played the first. Maybe I have played the first.
I don't remember the first one, but I just remember
playing the second one a lot, so I just started
getting back into that. Yeah, second one. That
was the last good one, if you ask me, was the
second one. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, dude. I
was just so happy to beat four. Yeah. Just get
through it. Yeah. Not because it was a bad game.
It was just because I was just having problems.
And then I slowed down playing video games after
that. I was too fulfilled. Yeah. Thug's good
though. Thug's tough. I think Thug's one of the
hardest ones. Yeah. Yeah, it is pretty tough.
I mean, dude, I was playing it. I was up to like
2 o 'clock playing it and I just had no idea
what I was doing at first. The speed is what
killed me. I had no idea what I was doing speed
-wise. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you have
to beat that game twice. Yeah. Jacob, go ahead.
You can go now. Yeah. So after I beat Rule of
Rose, actually, I played a little bit of Resident
Evil 6, actually. I did the Leon story and got
halfway through Chris's story. I just stopped
playing. I don't know why. I mean, I don't think
it's a bad game or anything. I just kind of left
it. Aside from that, I'm always reading books
and stuff, but I finished a book called The Collectors,
which is a book about this group of people. They
prevent wishes from happening. When someone blows
out their birthday candles on their birthday
cake, a wish happens, but the collectors take
it and they store it so it doesn't come true.
It's actually a really cool premise, if you ask
me, and it's executed. um why do they do that
do they hate happiness no well i'm just saying
there's like ridiculous wishes that happen oh
you know all the time you know they don't stop
all the wishes just like the crazy one they stop
every single wish because there's like well the
thing is like when a wish comes true there's
many ways a wish can come true and that can be
destructive like if a kid says i don't ever want
to go to school again um all the you know that
can mean that all right uh i also read another
book called um johnny got his gun which is uh
it's about a world war one soldier that steps
on a landmine and uh they like uh he doesn't
have his limbs anymore he can't see he can't
hear the only thing he can't do is like exist
um because like when they found him he was just
like this uh piece of uh flesh with a torso and
a head but they still kept him alive when they
got him into uh like a hospital um so he just
like thinks about his past and um it just talks
about war um if you ever listen to one by metallica
that song was actually inspired by that book
so it's it's really good i i enjoyed it a lot
i didn't know that all right i'll check that
out is that an older book yeah it's from 19 From
the 1930s. It's funny because that book was published
as World War II tensions were really rising.
Is that like fiction or non -fiction? It's fiction.
It's depressing is what it is. I don't know.
I've been doing too much. I finally finished
AC Shadows. That was about time, bro. I think
it had 80 hours in it. Jeez, man. But it really
didn't feel like that much, which I guess makes
it a good game. Or at least I enjoyed it. It's
probably a good game. Yeah. I played a game called
Rain on the PS3. I don't know if you guys remember
that one or not. I played a little bit of it.
It was pretty good. That game was pretty dope.
Yeah, it was fun. It's a simple indie storytelling
game, but it was pretty good. I enjoyed it. Oh,
wait. What? What am I thinking of? It had a cool
concept. You were invisible and you could only
be seeing the rain and stuff. Oh, I'm thinking
of a different game. Oh, okay. I was thinking
of Wet. Wet? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That was pretty
good, too. I don't know why I was thinking of
something else. Well, rain makes stuff wet, so
it makes sense. True that. Understandable. But,
yeah, that was pretty good. I enjoyed it. I've
been buying a bunch of shit off the PSN store
before they closed down because I know it's coming.
It's a miracle that the PSN store is still open
at this point since the 360 and the Wii. we have
been shut down. But yeah, I enjoyed that. That
was pretty fun. Other than that, I've been doing
too much. I think that's really all I had this
week. I always say this week, but we always take
more than a week to do this stuff. I don't know
why I just say that. It just makes the most sense.
I don't know. Whatever. Alright, I think that's
it. We got anything else here? Nah. I think that's
it. All right, so that means we're going to jump
over to our game here, which is Rule of Rose.
It was developed by Punchline, which I think
you said they made the tulip game, right? Yep.
Is that on the list? We've got to play that,
too. That game looks crazy. Yeah, I'm pretty
sure it's on the list. Yeah. I don't know if
we're going to play it now, though. People seem
to like that game, so... Yeah, so maybe. Yeah,
we'll see. But it was developed by Punchline.
It was published by Atlus in America for the
PS2, PlayStation 2, in 2006. I think it was just
Sony published it in Japan over there. Funny
enough, this game was actually banned in a few
countries. So there was some Italian guy. I guess
he just wanted to stir up shit and just start
stuff. And he wrote he just wrote a slanderous
article about this game and he made stuff up.
He said there was like overly sexual themes and
there was like I think he said there's like rape
and like young. child torture and stuff in this
game and people just believed him no one actually
like looked at the game or anything and so i
think like i think like the uk and like australia
like banned the game maybe they played the game
like man yeah i don't want other people playing
this game we don't want them to suffer i don't
feel sorry for those people i don't think so
i don't think so i envy those people this is
going to be a good episode yeah it is Alright,
so before we get into the nitty gritty here,
did you guys complete this game at all? No. Ryan,
you didn't finish it either? Nope. How far did
you guys make it? I was like two or three chapters
away. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm on like the last big
chapter. I'm almost done. I just haven't had
enough time. You finished it, right, Jacob? Yeah,
I got both endings. Yeah, but did you collect
everything? No. Okay. You're not really missing
anything with the collecting stuff. Cool costumes.
Yeah, they're really not that cool. They're alright,
I guess, but anyway. Alright, so Rule of Rose
is, I guess it's a survival horror game. You
play as Jennifer, a choleric Victorian adolescent.
This girl is sickly. As you make your way through
your shattered memories. So the idea is that
you are, I think you're... older and you're like
going through kind of your repressed memories
of what happened as your childhood so are you
ready eric here comes the explanation of the
story so i remember everything i already understand
this game all right this game makes complete
sense so as a young child you survived a zeppelin
crash where everyone else died including your
parents and before the cops or anybody else comes
and finds you a man what was his name roger wilson
or something do you remember his name jacob no
i don't okay something like roger wilson's i
know some guy finds you and basically kidnaps
you because he just lost his own son and he makes
you dress up as his son and locks you in the
basement and then uh wendy another girl finds
you uh and helps you escape from the basement
and she takes you to the orphanage and then there
you guys like become friends and you make like
this uh this club called how does she just randomly
find you in a basement huh she just randomly
finds you i think there's like windows and stuff
it was like a window there yeah just like find
you through there but you guys make the aristocrats
of the red crayon there and and you know become
good friends and everything but then um jennifer
finds a pup named she named him brown and uh
she tries to like show him to wendy but wendy
gets super jealous And eventually Wendy actually
kills Brown, which then Jennifer gets super pissed
and beats the crap out of Wendy. But during this
time, Wendy was training the man to be her own
dog. That's what the stray dog thing is. She
was training him to like be her dog. And then
after Jennifer beats her up, she brings the man
to the orphanage where he kills everyone except
Jennifer. And then the cops come and take Jennifer
away. And then that's kind of the end of the
story there. So. Okay. Does any of that make
sense? No. Where does this game explain any of
that? It's in the game. I don't know. It's just
through the story. No, it's not in the game.
None of that is in the game. Then where did I
get all that from? Reading it online. No, I didn't.
I promise you I didn't. This game made absolutely
no sense, bro. Whatever, dude. Anyway, so. So
the actual game is you playing through your memories
of those events. You're not actually playing
the events. You're playing through the memories
of those events. And so. Yeah. This is a, it's
honestly a pretty simple game. It's like I said,
it's kind of a survival horror game. Although
I don't really think this game was scary at all.
I don't know if you guys. This game was not scary.
No. Yeah. Not at all. There was really no horror.
This game was the opposite of scary. Yeah. This
game was boring as hell. Like, the first two
chapters are boring, bro. Why? What's so boring
about them? You're just running around not doing
anything. You're meeting the children. Not in
the first two chapters. They're behind the walls
and laughing at you and stuff. Wow. Yeah, I admit,
that's not scary at all. I mean, I guess if you
find children scary, this game might upset you.
I guess so, yeah. Yeah. And then after that,
you're just running around the ship. Well, then
the imps come. Well, until you find a dog, the
game picks up. But even then, it's. Yeah, I can
agree with that a little bit. It does take a
little while to get going. But yeah, so it's
a pretty simple gameplay. You're Jennifer and
you only really have an attack. That's all you
really have. And she's not good at it. I don't
know. I feel like they kind of did it on purpose
to make her that weak. I mean, obviously, but
I don't know that they did it right because the
combat. Let's be honest, the combat fucking sucks
in this game. It's not good. It is terrible.
God, horrible. Yeah, it's bad. It's just the
hit boxes make no sense. And the weapons that
you have are I mean, they're not that great.
They don't do a ton of damage. I want to bring
up something. Yeah. So like for the first half
of the game, I was using the steel pipe. I think
it is. Yeah. And that. That weapon has the largest
range of any of the weapons from what I read,
and I still had problems hitting the enemies
that were right in front of me. Boxes are terrible.
You've got to be facing the exact right way.
But yet they can hit you from any direction.
Yeah, their hitboxes are gigantic, yeah. And
then they jump on you, and then you get stun
-locked, and then they jump on you again, and
now you're stun -locked again. Yeah, and you've
got to wiggle the thing, and then meanwhile they're
all biting you and stuff and everything. oh dude
those fish oh man yeah they're just flop around
oh dude those fish yeah i was getting so pissed
yeah that was making me mad yeah for sure that's
i would definitely say that's the weakest point
of this game and it's a pretty big weak point
i'll give you that especially for like the boss
fights too because the boss fights are so annoying
because like you said you have such a small hitbox
but then their hitbox is like twice as big and
they'll just like swing in front of them and
then they'll hit you while you're behind them
and you're like really what the hell is the point
of that yeah so the combat is uh not the only
thing though i mean i guess the rest of the game
is just kind of uh exploring uh eventually you
unlock brown uh which is your your dog he's like
tied up upside down it's kind of kind of fucked
up But you have to, like, cut him down, and then
with him, you can give him items, and then he'll,
like, sniff them, and then he'll go and show
you where they are, which I actually really like
that point of the game. It took me a minute to,
like, realize how to, like, manage it and use
it properly. Yeah, I will say, like, out of everything,
that is probably, like, the coolest thing in
the game. But... It gets so repetitive that it
just... Yeah, the game kind of falls into a groove,
for sure, where you just use brown to find the
item, figure out how to use the item in the puzzle,
and then get the next item, and then just kind
of rinse and repeat, for sure. And then there's
just so much artificial length where you just
run from one side of the map to the other side,
and then you go back. The game doesn't need to
be any longer than it is when you run at the
speed of a child. Like you have cholera? Or a
baby, I guess. Like you're a sickly child with
cholera? Yeah. I know. I love how when even at
full health, she's just clutching her breast
and heaving over like she's hurt. That's at full
health. What is wrong with you? When you're at
low health, you're struggling, dude. Low health
in that game is god awful. Yeah, it's tough.
You're basically dead at that point. You're just
useless. Wow. You're useless with full health.
I know, but imagine doing that at lower levels.
Which, like, I don't know, dude. I don't want
to play a game where I'm a weak little bitch.
Like, that's, I don't know. I don't think that's
a problem if you have ways of managing that,
you know what I mean? Yeah, managing and doing
something else. Right. She should have had some
kind of, like, dodge or something. I think that
would have helped a lot. But the funny thing
is, though, is that... The enemies, other than
the boss fights, the enemies are fucking laughable
in this game. You can pretty much run just past
all of them and they'll just jump in a completely
wrong direction and miss you. Yeah. I think for
the most part... It's not cool. Like, I don't
want to play as some, like, I don't know, weak
child. I don't know. Listen, bro, not everybody
can be fucking buff Superman, alright? I don't
know what to tell you. Bro, tell me, you go from,
like, God of War to this, like, come on. I think
it's just that the game is like, you know, because
you're playing as Jennifer and in your memories,
you're a grown adult. Right. And you're fighting
like kids and all this stuff and they're beating
the shit out of you and it just makes it look
so stupid. Sure. Like I know when, you know,
you're not a, you're a kid during the time and
stuff, but making it look like you're a grown
adult going through all this, it just makes it
look so stupid. yeah it's kind of funny yeah
for sure the thing is too is that the children
aren't even really like they're not even really
like your opposition honestly like they're just
kind of there yeah no you're just getting bullied
i mean yeah pretty much you're just yeah getting
bullied by children yeah which like again if
children scare you then i guess that's a problem
but otherwise you just like i don't know like
i said i didn't find this game fun the scary
but there was a few times i laughed like that
one cut scene where they're pushing the rat in
your face i friggin died laughing because the
rat wants nothing to do with it dude and i was
i couldn't stop laughing at that that was so
it was hilarious and the kids are terrified of
it yeah and the rat like licks her cheek and
stuff oh man i was yeah i could not stop laughing
at that This game is is pretty laughable. Yeah,
and dude you pass out all the fucking time Yeah,
yeah, why so why dude you have so many fainting
spells. She needs a fainting couch. It's so ridiculous
Like all you do in this fucking game is run around
fight a boss and fucking faint That is the whole
premise of this game. Yeah I'm telling you dude.
She has like collar or something. She's got something
wrong. I was watching the youtube video just
to see the the endings because i didn't beat
it yeah and every one guy was like she needs
to be tested for pots yes exactly yeah exactly
and then some other guys like how do you how
do you follow the story on this game or how do
you hate this game if half the time you just
passed out i don't know i understand that i get
it uh this game still makes no sense bro i explained
it to you already how does it not make sense
Yeah, but you're on an airship and then you climb
up and then there's a cave. It's her memories.
It's not real life. How does she remember a cave
on top of the airship? How does a kid train a
grown man to become his pet? Okay, that part
I'll give you is fucking weird. That part is
fucking weird. That's that little bit of Japanese
lore slipping in there a little bit. Yeah, that
is very odd. Again, and this game is very Japanese.
yeah sex too like very japanese sexual yeah it's
just i don't know like when you're on top of
the airship and the kid jumps on top of you or
something there's a camera angle of just of just
jennifer's legs yeah just her bare legs there's
just one camera angle and that's it yeah like
i just game is just so odd man it's not scary
or it's i think it's just trying to be maybe
that italian journalist was right then uh dude
i'm I agree. Maybe he played the game. He's like,
this game sucks. I don't want anybody else to
play this game. You already made that point.
You said that already. I think he was doing a
public... I agree, man. He's doing a public service.
I like that guy. What was that guy's name? Yeah,
I do too. I don't know. Probably Mario Perenzi
something. Who knows? Mario. I want to read that
guy. I want to write a letter to him and be like,
dude, I agree with you. This game blows chunks.
He never said it was a bad game. He just said
it was a gory game. I think this game is just
raunchy in all the wrong ways, man. Really? I
don't know. I didn't really see it that much.
I didn't really get too much of that. I don't
know. I just think everything it was trying to
do, it just did it wrong. There is one scene
where the headmaster is raping one of the kids.
Yeah. It doesn't actually show anything. It's
just kind of a suggestion. It just shows the
beforehand. Is that the mermaid thing? No, there's
a point where you are, it's in the funeral, I
think. And the headmaster calls in one of the
kids, Clara, I think her name is. And then like,
when you look through the keyhole, he's like,
there's some dust over here. Why don't you give
it a wipe? Oh, okay. So. I guess I didn't see
that. No, I don't think he finished that chapter.
He does that after the mermaid princess too.
Yeah. When you're in the room with the fish tank
and he like caresses her and stuff. Yeah, that
too. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. What's up with the mermaid
thing? What's going on with that? What was that
about? What do you mean? Oh, I think that's the
girl. And I think she's... This part I read online.
Apparently she was pregnant. And that's like
her morning sickness. It's like she's throwing
up and stuff and everything. So I think that's
what the idea behind that was. And they tied
her to a rope so she can swing. Well, I don't
know about that. Yeah. It was so weird. I remember
that as a... kid when i was repressed memory
yeah yeah yeah morning sickness hanging from
the roof i know what you meant but how about
this i did like the item management in this game
yeah no i i do agree that that was you there
are some decent points in this game yeah i i
just liked it because you do have a limited item
hold like that you can hold but which is really
cool is you can just drop anything at any time
and then you can go back and get it later uh
from the trash can which i really like that that's
actually a cool concept there's a lot of survival
games like that you either use it or you lose
it and i like that that doesn't happen in this
one you can maybe store it but storage is yeah
right it's super limited this one yeah this one
had a it was unlimited but you could only carry
so much at a time which was pretty cool yeah
definitely cool Another thing that I did really
like about this was the map was actually really
good. Really? You liked the maps? I thought they
kind of sucked. Really? Yeah. I thought they
were pretty good. You mean like the actual maps
to look at, or you mean like the layout of the
actual game? No, when you press the select button,
it shows you where you are, and it tells you
where you need to go. Really? I thought they
were awful. I don't know how you read those at
all. It said Sector 8 right there, and that's
where you needed to go? They were like actual,
like... and I don't know how to read those. Wow.
Yeah. That sounds like a skill issue. Yeah, it's
a skill issue. Were you guys building buildings
in your free time? I didn't like the maps either.
Really? I thought they were... It's laid out.
It's simple. I mean, it looked cool, but... No,
I don't know. Okay. It doesn't show what way
you're facing. Never mind. Yeah. I hated the
maps. They were terrible. Yeah. It didn't make
any sense. That's all right. I'll agree with
you a lot more later. Okay. I don't know. Pretty
much the rest of the episode. Yeah, pretty much.
I just thought they were a confusing image. It
was like that PS2 quality where it just wasn't
good enough. But, hey, I don't know. It literally
shows you where you are on the map. It was kind
of a pain, too, because if you're in a different
part of the game, you had to use a different
map. That was kind of a pain, too. Yeah, well,
each level has its own map. Yeah, and you had
to have a map. But it changes automatically,
though. No. To be honest, I didn't ever really
even use the map because the levels are not that
big anyway. I was using a guide, and the guide
was like, go here. So I just looked on the map
and went there. I mostly did it for item hunting.
There's one part of the ship that was a little
confusing, but other than that, it's such a small
area. I never really used the map. That's understandable.
I just wanted to get this game done as fast as
I could. There's no way I could have played this
game without a guide. Why? You couldn't figure
out where to go? Yeah, and kept your sanity.
Sounds like a skill issue. No, it's not a skill
issue. It's a bad video game design. Honestly,
this game was kind of easy. Jacob, did you use
a guide? Did you struggle at all? I used a guide
once, and that's only because... Shut up. Yeah,
you used a guide the entire time. At least you
beat the game, Jacob. Yeah. All right, listen.
So I only used a guide once. That doesn't prove
anything. And that's only because there's, like,
when you have to find Amanda in, like, one of
the later chapters, you have to open that box.
I didn't know you could open that box. I thought
it was just, like, a... piece of the background
yeah i know so after i just went around the whole
ship and couldn't find anything i was like okay
i had to look up a guide and the guy was like
you had to open this box it's like okay that's
not clear at all yeah you're talking about the
bird chapter i think so yeah because you open
the box it had the code on it right the one oh
no you're talking about the one where the the
bear's tail was in there right Yeah, uh -huh.
Yeah, the sewing box. And then you use that to
find Amanda, and then Amanda goes up, and then
you have to fix the generator or whatever. Yeah,
I remember. That's the only time I had to use
it, only because I didn't know you could open
that box. After that, I was completely good.
You figured out you had to shake the dresser
three times to drop the bear on the floor? Yeah,
yeah. Okay. When was that? When you're in the
basement, you have the teddy bear sitting on
top of the dresser. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well,
it slightly shakes, so yeah. Yeah. Okay. Did
you find that October ticket? No, but you don't
have to. I found that too. What's it called?
Yeah, but I found that on my own. Okay, good.
No, you didn't. You didn't make it that far.
Yeah, I did. Yeah, but you're in that area in
the funeral part. Oh, you can get it in that
chapter? No, but you can go in that room. Oh,
okay. But the glitch or whatever, you can still
walk through that area. Well, yeah, you can go
in there, but the ticket doesn't show up until
the final chapter, right? I know, but you can
still walk through the table. Oh, can you? Yeah.
I didn't know that. I didn't see that. Yeah,
yeah. I know, I was running around. I'm like,
I went through the table. I'm like, oh, I broke
the game? I didn't actually know you could do
that. Okay. I was like, oh, I remember something
saying you had to go through something. I was
like, that's probably where the ticket is. Okay,
okay. Yeah, there's a bunch of collectibles in
this game, too. There's, like, records. There
were film canisters, which are for the cutscenes
in the game. And you have to use blue for all
these. You have to use, or not blue, brown. You
have to use brown for... Yeah, I kept doing that
the whole time I was playing the game. There's
a dog named Blue in our family, that's why. That's
funny. I kept calling him Blue. Uh, but Brown,
you have to use his nose, his finds to, to find
all the collectibles. And there's a bunch of
like, I mean, I guess they're not useless, but
there's a bunch of other ones like marbles and
socks and stuff that you can trade in. You can
actually, uh, find stuff and then trade it in
at the, uh, trade in box. There's like a little,
there's like a door to the aristocrats area and
it has like a trade in box. You can put stuff
in there. And if you bring like, I don't remember
what it was like 10 marbles or something. They'll
like give you like a treat, like a health upgrade
and stuff. I thought that was a pretty cool thing.
Yeah, it was pretty cool. Some of them are a
pain, though, because it's like, find one item,
find another item, find another item, and then
you can find the films. Well, yeah, if you miss
one film, you can't get any of the other films
after it. Well, I mean, just to even get to the
films, because you have to get the biscuit can,
and you can find the biscuits, and then the biscuits
find the bacon, and then the bacon finds something
else, and then you can get the records. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. Like, God. That's crazy. And like
I said, if you miss one, then you miss all of
them. But then there was other stuff, too. There
was, like, perfume, and then you could trade
that stuff in for, like, weapons. There was,
like, some weapons you could get. The knives.
Yeah, the knives get you the rusty sword, which
then on your second playthrough, you can hand
that in for, like, the strongest weapon in the
game, which is the knight's sword. Which, dude,
that is still hard to hit people with, but it,
like, one -shots, like, all the bosses. It's
like all the bosses take, like, two or three
hits, I think. Yeah, which the boss fights...
Can you do the Chivos on those? Huh? Can you
get the Chivos with that sword? I would get...
I don't know. That's a good point. I'm not sure.
It doesn't say you can't, so... Yeah, you probably
could have. Yeah, I don't see why you couldn't.
Yeah. I probably should have just done that then,
huh? Yeah, but me too, because they were driving
me crazy. Yeah, the boss fights are a pain in
the ass in this game. They take... Yeah. I don't
know why they have so much health, but the boss
fights are like... It's like 18 hits for the
first one. The stupid mermaid girl took like
30 hits or something. Yeah, it's like 30 hits.
Way, way too much. Way too much. You could get
like a gun too, but the gun is completely useless.
Yeah, it takes like four or five bullets to kill
a simple imp. Yeah, yeah. And there's only like
20 bullets in the game. Yeah, yeah. It's stupid.
It is. But yeah, I mean, most of the weapons,
they have like master weapons, too. Like the
regular weapons are all pretty much the same.
I think they have like a little bit of different
of reach and like power. But for the most part,
I don't even think it really makes much of a
difference. But then like on your second playthrough,
you can unlock costumes and stuff and they have
a new weapon with them that are a bit more powerful.
They're called master weapons. There's like a
syringe. There's like a nurse costume with a
syringe. There's like a goth costume with the
umbrella, which is pretty funny. And then. uh
brown actually changes too like with the groth
costume he comes black and he has like a little
maid outfit on and everything which is pretty
funny that is pretty funny the creep the one
that creeped me out though was there's a you
there's an octopus costume where you become an
octopus and then uh brown becomes like one of
those long -legged crabs Yeah. Dude, he walks
sideways, and then his little legs, like, go
up on... Oh, dude, that would creep me out. I
hated it so much. That's probably the scariest
thing in the game. Yeah, dude, honestly, that
thing unsettled me more than anything else in
the game yet. Although... And then you can, like,
turn him into a chair or something. Yeah, I was
just about to bring that up. Yeah, yeah. That's
hilarious. It is pretty funny. Does the chair
have an animation for the door thing? Because
I actually didn't look. Like, does the chair
scratch at the door at all, or... I don't think
so. Okay, just like stands in front of the door.
Yeah. You can pet Brown even if he's the chair.
It's really awkward. It's ridiculous. I will
say they did really well on giving Brown like
a... animations or just making him look like
a dog. The way he goes through the door when
you open up a door is perfectly how a dog would
go through a door. It's so well done. The way
he just slinks in before you do, it's perfect.
And then when he's scratching on the door and
stuff, they did such a good job of that. Stairs
were the only problem with that. Yeah, he didn't
look great on stairs. He's a little funky on
stairs sometimes. Stairs were hard back then,
bro. Yeah, I get it. Brown's the best part of
this game for sure. I like it. Hands down. I
will say the camera angles were actually not
too bad with this game. It was nice that you
could change it. It's kind of like a hybrid fixed
and active camera thing because when you come
into a new area the camera's facing one way but
you can kind of rotate it to show the other way.
It's a weird half control. I've never really
felt like a camera control like that before.
My biggest gripe with it is sometimes when you're
running straight through one room and then to
the next area, it flops the camera so you're
straight as back. So now you go back into the
room you just came through and I'm like, god
damn it. Dude, that is pretty much any fixed
camera game. I think they all have that issue.
Which, it's not... This one's not too bad at
that. I think there was a couple places where
it was kind of a pain in the butt. For the most
part, though, it does a pretty good job of not,
of, you know, fixing that issue, so. I was constantly
playing this game in Fast Forward, so. Yeah,
same. Bro, no wonder you didn't like this game.
It's on my handheld, so it's really not that
much faster. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, I was on Fast
Forward the whole time. I did do that on my second
playthrough to get all the achievements and stuff,
so, yeah. And then it's funny because then you
turn it off and you're like, this game is slow
as shit. Dude, I know. Did you guys have problems
with seeing, like, was the game too dark? I know
you can adjust it in the settings and I didn't,
but. I don't think so. Not really. Not for me.
Sometimes, I know I was on my handheld and I'm
like, god damn it, I can't see shit. Yeah. Because
it was so, it was just like pitch black. You
can change it in the settings. I don't think
I have that problem. There's like a game setting
in the settings. Yeah. It's just my handheld.
It's just probably like a bad viewing angle with
the sunlight. Could be, yeah. Speaking of that,
let's go ahead and talk graphics then. Yeah,
I mean, this game was definitely dark. It was
a very dull color game. There was a lot of browns
and a lot of... Not a very vibrant game. Not
a lot of color palette going on with this. No.
Very bleak looking. This is definitely in that
era of that time of gaming where everything just
had that brown overtone to it. Or that yellow,
that piss filter. Piss filter, yeah. Classic.
Also, there was like a default Noir filter over
it. I hated that. I immediately turned that off.
Yeah, I turned that all the way off, bro. Which
you can't fully turn it off. It's always there
a little bit. Makes it a little bit better. Yeah,
I wasn't a fan of that. I turned that off. It
was way too much. if if if we'd played this on
like an old crt on an actual ps2 if that probably
would have even been noticeable oh yeah maybe
well it probably would have been better honestly
because this game these games were made for crts
you know hd had not really come out yet and you
know we're playing all these on an upscaled hd
1080p screen so yeah those things become more
noticeable but but yeah i definitely actually
I had to downscale this to play this on my handhelds.
Oh, did you really? Sometimes. I had a little
bit of lag on some points, like where there was
a lot of enemies and stuff. Yeah. Speaking of
enemies, the enemies were, I don't know, they're
kind of creepy. They're a little bit creepy,
I guess. Just the imps, the regular imps. Yeah.
They got the crazy face or whatever. They had
animal ones, too. They had the pig one. I'm not
really scared of pigs. They had the goat one.
And then the birds. Yeah, I'm scared of goat.
The bird and the fish head ones. The bird ones
were weird. The bird ones were, yeah. Those were
the eerie looking ones. Yeah, they were a pain
in the ass. Those looked like those water dipping
ones or whatever. Yeah, I think they were supposed
to, yeah. I think that was the idea. The graphics
wise though, it did have decent graphics for
what it was. Yeah, other than the colors, the
graphics themselves were pretty good. I liked
the way the game looked. Yeah. I did like the
notebook look for the menu and stuff like that.
That was cool. Yeah, that was cool. And then
we didn't even talk about that. At the beginning
of each chapter, you get kind of like a kid's
handmade book that kind of gives you a quick
overview of what the chapter is going to be.
Kind of like a metaphorical overview of the chapter,
which I thought was pretty cool. It gives you
hints on what to do. Yeah, that too. Yeah, I
thought that was pretty cool. There's definitely
a lot of that kind of kiddie. like that uh like
uh aesthetic throughout the game it's very like
juvenile it's like you know because the your
health items are candy yeah exactly yeah yeah
you know and then i liked i liked when you go
uh i think it was after you attack wendy you
you like wake up and your dress is all colored
in the red crayon or whatever yeah yeah that's
cool i like that part yeah it's like written
all over yeah that was cool which looks like
you're wearing one of those uh Potato sacks or
whatever. I guess so, yeah. Burlap sack. Yeah,
nap sack, yeah. I will say, the cutscenes actually
look pretty good. The facial animations were
still kind of weird. There's still that kind
of early phase there, but for the most part,
the cutscenes are actually pretty good. Yeah.
And they're all pre -rendered, though. Yeah,
yeah. Which, for the PS2, isn't too bad. The
PS1 is the one that's awful with pre -rendered.
video but the ps2 actually wasn't too bad these
actually look pretty decent and i actually like
some of them some of them are actually pretty
artistic which was cool like the one where you
find the bird and they like throw it in the cage
but you're like the camera it's like in the cage
and i don't know if you guys remember that cut
scene yeah yeah that was pretty cool yeah i like
that they had some cool like um artistic uh parts
in the game that i that i like that was cool
and then the other thing that was actually really
good in this game was the sound The soundtrack
was... That part, honestly, was probably the
most unsettling part of this game for me, was
the soundtrack. Yeah, I could see that, yeah.
Like, the string instruments and everything that
just build up and then crash down with the crescendo
and stuff, dude, it was pretty good. I like that
music a lot. It set the mood for the game. Yeah,
it did a really good job. The game was scary.
But yeah, I agree. Yeah, it was just so... Well
done. It was a nice live orchestra sound. I liked
it a lot. And then the imps' sounds were pretty
cool. They're like whispering in an unknown language
at you and everything. That was pretty creepy.
I liked that. And then I like when they jump
on you and they're munching on you. Yeah, that
was pretty funny. Which was because they were
paying on the ass to get off of you. Yeah, you
gotta really smash that thumbstick. Analog stick.
I mean, if you guys want to smash the like button.
Yeah. We're not going to stop you. Or the subscribe
button. Yeah. Or any button, really. Yeah. Whatever
button you want to press. Not the delete button.
Don't press that one. Oh, yeah. One of the quick
things was like, it took me a minute to realize
they were using British floor numbering. That
took me a second. Because I don't know if you
guys know, but in Britain, they don't have, the
first floor is actually the second floor. Yeah,
I know. Yeah. Oh, and I didn't know that. Yeah,
I know in Great Britain and other places, the
first floor is called the ground floor, and then
the second floor is the first floor, and then
so on and so forth. Oh, yeah. I don't think I
even paid attention to any of that. Yeah, there
was a point where I had to go to something on
the first floor, and I was like, I'm on the first
floor. What the hell is this? And then I was
like, oh, it's the British numbering, okay. I
don't think I even paid any mind to that. You
were looking at the map. I didn't even look at
the map. I was using a guide. Okay. Must have
been an American guide. Yeah. Yeah. I have PTSD
from this game, bro. Yeah, you're gonna have
to go through your memories, like... You're gonna
start passing out now. I'm about to, bro. You're
gonna get caught. This game gave me cholera.
Yeah. You're gonna get the pots. Every time a
kid makes fun of me now, I'm gonna pass out.
Yeah, you're gonna pass out. You need a fainting
couch. I don't know if there's really much else
to say. I did like after you beat the game, you
can unlock some costumes, I guess, for a little
bit of fun for your next playthrough. They had
like a nurse, a maid. They had a tennis instructor.
There was the octopus. Why you would play this
game a second time is beyond me. I agree with
that. I don't know why people play any game a
second time. It makes no sense to me, but I know
what you're trying to say there. I mean, I did
it almost three times for the stupid achievements,
but... Speaking of... Yeah, I don't know if you
guys want to say anything else about the gameplay,
the graphics? Yeah, I just... I don't want to
be too long on this, but I just wanted to bring
up this game was definitely heavily inspired
by Silent Hill. I mean, in a lot of aspects.
I only played Silent Hill 1 and 3, but I definitely
saw a lot of similarities. Oh, yeah? The combat
is very much the same. I don't know. In my opinion,
I also think the boss battles in Silent Hill
are longer than they should be. They're kind
of drawn out. Both games have similar aesthetics
and feels to them. Although I kind of wish this
game was more like Silent Hill. Only because
Silent Hill has ranged weapons. You don't ever
have to use your melee weapons. I actually never
used melee weapons in the first and third game.
I only used the guns because they're just way
better to use, and you don't ever have to get
close to your enemies. In this game, though,
you had to get close to your enemies, and because
the hitboxes suck, it's just... Well, you're
only a child, so... Yeah. Well, with the steel
pipe, I should be able to... Yeah, with the giant
steel pipe. I should be able to hit them when
I'm right down their throat. But in Silent Hill,
like... The hitboxes feel just right, especially
when you have a gun and you can just shoot something
that's six feet, a little more in front of you.
That's what happens when you make a game good.
Yep. That's what Jacob's trying to say here.
I wish this game was more like Silent Hill, because
Silent Hill is pretty damn good. I wish this
game was better. I think I would argue that this
game probably has better control, though. Maybe.
Yeah, the controlling wasn't... problem in this
game yeah yeah because you could actually use
the the joint the analog or the d -pad and they
were both actually felt pretty good in this game
yeah i agree i know the original silent hill
is tank control so although when i played it
i actually didn't have that much trouble with
it if i'm being honest the biggest problem i
have with is like the fixed camera angles that
i don't like that gets me but silent hill doesn't
have that it's like it's third person it's like
it's almost like over the shoulder so you didn't
like the fixed cameras in this game i mean well
as you said before they're like hybrid so yeah
i was fine with that because i mean for the most
part it is like over the shoulder like and it's
behind jennifer yeah so i was okay with that
i just don't like it like when it's like resident
evil and it's like the camera sits in one position
it's not that bad yeah yeah actually the camera's
not a huge problem in this game for sure Let's
go ahead and we'll jump over to the achievements
here. So you guys didn't beat the game, so you
definitely didn't master it. How do you know?
I'm pretty sure. Pretty sure. I did. I went through.
I had to go through almost three times to this
game to master it. I won't lie. Those last couple
achievements, they drove me mad. I was like,
I don't want to play this anymore. But it was
to the point where I only had like three achievements
left. I was like, I just got to finish this.
I got to do it. So I will say this, too. Getting
so tired of no -hit boss achievements. I don't
want those anymore. I'm so done with them. Yeah,
I get it. If it doesn't, like, add anything to
the game, then... Especially with this game,
too, where, like, the combat is the worst, dude.
Like, ugh. It's so bad. That's probably why most
of these are no -hit achievements. There's only,
what, two that are no -hit? I think one was no
-hit, and the other one was, like... It wasn't
even no -hit. Two -hit max. It's, like, two -hit
max, yeah. And no heal. And one was no heal.
Yeah, that's what they were. I think the only
two no hits were the mermaid and the stray dog.
Oh, yeah, and the goats. So there is three. No,
you could get hit. There's no heal on mermaid.
Yeah, the mermaid's no heal. That's right, no
heal. So it's the stray dog and the goats. Oh,
and the goats. The goat sisters, yeah. But those
are so easy. Those aren't really considered a
boss. Why not? Yeah, I guess. I don't know. Because
they're just like regular imps? No, they had
like scissors and stuff. They got big weapons.
Big weapons. Big weapons. So that makes him a
boss? I mean, I guess so. I don't know. Who are
you, the fucking game developer over here? What
is this? Well, the guide I was using didn't consider
him a boss. Well, was he the game developer or
something? I think so. He might have been. Oh,
okay. Because who else would want it? Whatever.
It's a fucking no -hit achievement regardless.
Yeah, and it's annoying, and I don't like it.
Please come up with something else for achievements.
Like, what would... I don't know. They could
have done something like where, like, Brown sometimes
will, like, bite the enemy and, like, hold him
down so you can hit him. That should have been
an achievement. Like, hit an enemy while Brown's
got him held down or something. That's too easy.
That's too easy. No, it's not easy because it
doesn't always happen. It's too easy. Bro. Go
write up a gameplay guide. Go master this game.
I'm going to. Are you? I don't think you're going
to beat this game. I will beat the game. I don't
know. What did you guys think of this set? I
don't think they're really that bad though. Besides
the no -hit shit. They're not too bad. Like I
said, I like the achievements where they push
me to fully you know explore the whole game find
these hidden items or you know find secrets i
i like that yeah i agree which is most which
is most of this in this set anyway that's one
of the reason i like the trophies and stuff too
because like because a you'll like it'll make
you go do that stuff and go see parts of the
game that you may have never even seen or like
be just find stuff that you didn't even know
existed in the game you know Like some of these
older games that I've played before and they
were like achievements for stuff. And I was like,
what? I had no idea that was in the game. So
I do like that part of the stuff. And this set
wasn't, this set's not awful. Those no hits are
a pain in the ass, but they're doable. It's not
that bad. Yeah. The set's not awful. The game's
awful. Yeah. Well, yeah. Okay. Hold on. When
we first started playing this game, I said that
and you guys shit on me for that. For what? Who?
I said the achievement set is not that bad. It's
very simple, but the game is what makes it bad.
I said this a couple weeks ago, and you guys
gave me hell for it. We did? Yes. I don't think
so. I never said this game was bad. Well, no.
But you were like, oh, well, the no hitch, and
then blah, blah, blah, and then you gotta go
and collect everything. I don't remember this
at all. Was I drunk or something? It's not easy.
The premise of these achievements is so easy,
though. I think you're going through your repressed
memories right now, bro. Yeah, my collar is acting
up. Yeah, your collar is acting up, yeah. Whatever.
Well, if that was the case, I probably just saw
the no hits, and I was like, I hate this already,
and that's probably what it was. Yeah, which
I understand. Which, now that I've gone through
them, it's not awful. The only thing is those,
and then there's... When you get the secret costumes,
you have to get 100 kills with those costumes,
and it's so much grinding. I don't really know
why he made it 100. It should have been like
50 or 25. It was just a complete waste of time.
Yeah, there was no reason to make it 100. It
adds nothing to the game. Yeah, I agree. It would
have been fine if it was maybe like 20 or something,
but 100 was just ridiculous. Just so you know
how the weapon works and all that stuff. Yeah,
they don't. 100 is a little ridiculous. You'll
probably never play this game again, right? Me?
No. That's the one thing that sucks with achievements.
Most of the time when I master something, I'm
like, I'm never going to play this game again.
Yeah, and you didn't even beat this game. Well,
I didn't like... Dude, like the first five minutes
into this game, I already knew I didn't like
it. Yeah, I had a feeling. There are some times
when going through achievements, I just want
to be done with the game. I'm like, I don't want
to play this game anymore. I'm done with this.
I'm not having fun anymore. I wouldn't say that
I stopped having fun with this game and I just
wanted to be done with it. Well, it's hard to
stop something you never start. Well, I'm talking
about me, not you. Oh, okay. I wasn't annoyed
by the end of this. Sometimes I'm annoyed and
I'm just like, I'm done. With this, I was just
like, all right, I played it almost three times.
I'm done. Yeah, I know. This is what sucks with
the achievements because you've got to grind
so much. But like I said, I was doing fast forward.
I will say I was starting to have like I was
starting to enjoy it more a little bit when I
was starting to collect all those like where
all the robots and stuff are. I was having fun
doing that a little bit. But I really like that
part of the game where you use it did get redundant
very fast. It does. Yeah. But especially like,
dude, those robots, the like. area that you like
the ring or the radius is terrible it is they
did that on purpose but yeah it's it's hard to
find those for sure yeah you have to be like
right up on them before brown will brown will
find which is like some of the stuff is like
you can go across the whole map or it's like
you have to be five feet in front of it yep yep
all right anything else on this game before we
get to the final very tier nope okay Just a quick
explanation. We're not doing numbers or any stars
or anything like that. It's just a quick, did
you enjoy this game and would you recommend this
game? And the point of the two things is because
just because you didn't enjoy something doesn't
mean you wouldn't recommend it. Although I think
I know everybody's answers today. So let's go
ahead. Who wants to go first? Ryan, why don't
you go first today? I go first? Yeah, go ahead.
So did I enjoy this game? Yeah, did you enjoy
it? No. I tried to and I just I couldn't. There's
just to me, there's no charm. to this game. I
don't know. It's not scary. I don't know why
it's called a horror game. It's just... It tries
to be scary and it tries to be... I don't know.
I don't know what word I'm looking for. I think
a game is more artistic than scary. Yeah, I think
it's supposed to be more like a thriller. Yeah,
and even then it's... It's more like a psychological
where you have to think. yeah and even then like
this game is just super fucking wacky that like
i know you explained the story earlier but it
still doesn't mean it doesn't make any fucking
sense like in the moment yeah like there's there's
no i understand that you're going back into your
memories and you're reliving what you had to
go through years ago as a kid understandable
got it but i mean i kid making a grown -ass man
her pet and just... Okay, that is definitely
the weirdest part of the game, for sure. Yes,
it is. It's fucking weird. But why? Why, though?
And, like, the weird, like, little fish head
and goat head children you have to fight. Like...
Ugh. I don't know, man. I just, to me, like,
I think this game does look pretty cool. Like,
when we first looked at it, I was like, dude,
this game looks pretty dope. just like the enemies
and like the look of the game like artistical
wise yeah but there's i don't think this game
does anything right besides the dog aspect and
that's the only part of the game i enjoyed all
right i'll accept that brown is a good boy yeah
he's the best he's the bestest boy all right
so i would guess that means you don't recommend
it no i mean Do what you gotta do, I guess, but
no. I can't recommend this game. I really can't.
I don't see somebody enjoying this game. I already
know someone's going to fight me on that. I've
got two right here. Combat is dog shit. Even
when enemies are on the ground and you're trying
to stomp them, dude, you're just kicking the
floor. It's awful. It doesn't do a damn thing.
Only when there's like 20 fish on the floor.
Yeah, and you just get lucky. Does it actually
do damage? Because I never got it to do damage.
Yeah. Does it? Okay. Yeah, it does. The only
time I could get it to work was in that fish
area when there's like five of them on the floor.
Yeah. I could stomp them. Oh, you just ran past
them. That's why. But yeah, it's just a few like
weird Japanese shit that... If you want to play
a game to laugh at and be like, this game is
fucking weird. I did laugh at this game. Sure,
but other than that, to play a game that you
want to enjoy, I don't think this game. Fair
enough. That's the opinion. Jacob, why don't
we go over to the positive side here. It seems
like we got Team Atlas and Team Sony this time.
Team Atlas lost again. Again. They're 0 for 2
right now. Go ahead, Jacob. Yeah, I enjoyed this
game. I think the number one thing I liked about
this game was, like, the puzzle aspect. So, like,
as you mentioned before, you get the storybooks
at the beginning of every chapter, and they give
you, like, a small overview of what to expect.
And I just enjoyed going from, like, place to
place, and then... You know, you get, like, a
little clue, you get, like, a little item, and
you're like, oh, you know, what do I do with
this? Like, I think my favorite chapter in the
game was the one, I don't remember what it was
called, but you get, like, the big chest, and
it just keeps, inside of the chest is a smaller
chest, inside of that chest is a smaller chest,
but yeah, the bird. But they all had, like, their
own unique puzzles, and I think that was the
number one aspect I really liked about this game.
I like the immersion of this game, too. I like
the atmosphere. I don't know what it is, but
it just kind of drew me in. I know you guys criticize
the story and everything, and it's definitely
weird, but it was also like hooking to me. I
mean, it was just so weird, but at the same time,
I was like, why is this so weird? Go ahead. I'm
sorry. Go ahead. Where is this going to lead
to? and brown's awesome i love brown i mean i
just love dogs right but brown yeah nobody's
arguing that yeah yeah i know but i gotta listen
i gotta i gotta praise brown he's just so awesome
hashtag brown best dog truth i'm just gonna say
bro go play any like jrpg and this story is tame
as shit compared to some of the stuff that they
do oh yeah i know but i agree All right, Jacob,
would you recommend this game? Yes. You know,
it's funny. I actually wasn't going to recommend
this game at first. Mostly, I mean, the combat,
yes. Combat absolutely sucks, right? And then
I was also going to say don't play it because
the story doesn't make any sense. But then, you
know, I actually read what everything meant and,
like, pieced it together. And I was like, okay,
you know what? I like it now. So I recommend
it. I think if you can get past the... garbage
combat I think you'll find yourself like immersed
in like the environment and I think the story
will also hook you too if um you're not offended
by stuff that's overly weird at least by American
standards that is all right okay well here's
the moment we've all been waiting for Eric you
want to go ahead and give us your review no okay
that's it just no that's it I mean no I didn't
enjoy the game I Dude, the first two hours is
just boring. You're just running. You know what?
This is like the first walking simulator. I'm
upset at how wrong you are. I mean, at how right
you are right now. 90 % of this game is just
walking back and forth. You're not wrong. It's
true. No, I didn't. I thought it was... I was
just so bored the first two hours. I text you
guys, I'm like, does this game even get any good?
And I don't really think, I mean, it kind of
picked up a little bit, but there were some things
that I did enjoy about the game. Like I said,
like the dog mechanic is cool, obviously. Sometimes
finding the items can be fun, but like I said,
it's just so redundant that it gets boring fast.
I don't know. I don't see how... In the moment
when you're playing the game, you're like, what
the hell is going on? Nothing is making any sense
at all. And the fact that, well, I don't know.
I guess you said in the final chapter you get
a lot of information. I mean, kind of. If you
haven't figured anything out at that point, that
chapter is not going to help you. Oh, okay. Well,
that chapter ain't going to help me. Okay. I've
told you the story. No, I just meant if I didn't
know anything. Okay. Because I was completely
lost. If you've been oblivious the whole time,
that last chapter is not going to do anything
for you. I'm oblivious in most things. Okay.
Nah, I don't know. I just... I don't see how
I could recommend this game because I don't think
I gained anything out of playing this game. There
was no enjoyment, really. I mean, most of the
time I was sitting on the couch yelling at the
fucking game. You better not be yelling at Brown.
I'll tell you that much. No. Well, there was
a couple of times I was yelling at him, but no.
All right. I think the game is just too artistic
for me. I'm not into that whole, like, I don't
know. I can see that. They definitely went over
with the presentation of the game more than the
gameplay. I can see that. like all that like
subtle hidden messages and stuff like that i
think it's just like too much yeah i can i can
understand me and you simple -minded yeah i'm
simple -minded man we want to press buttons and
then to do something yeah i want to play a game
where i'm a big strong man yeah swinging yeah
swinging big weapons and yeah killing things
and blood and stuff yeah it's the way to go you
don't know that's why they're probably like best
-selling games i don't know You're more familiar
with that than being collared. Yeah. Than having
pots. I would, I mean, I guess so. Alright. No,
I don't recommend this game. And I just, again,
you can watch somebody play it. There's no reason
to play this game. Honestly, it's just like a
movie. Yeah, and funny enough, I think the developers
said that it was more of an interactive movie.
I think you would actually enjoy this way more
if you just watch somebody else play it. I can
see that. I agree with that. If you got a spare
$350 just laying around or whatever, I guess...
Wipe your ass and throw it in the toilet and
not buy this game. If you want to play this game,
don't buy it. I feel bad for whoever pays money
for this game. I'm sorry. Just because it's rare
doesn't mean it's good. Usually, if it's rare,
it meant it wasn't good. Yeah, exactly. All right.
I mean, I would say that I enjoyed this game.
This game definitely has some issues. Like we
said, the combat's crap. I can see the problem
with the story. It's very convoluted, and it's
represented in kind of a childlike way. where
it doesn't immediately make sense so i can understand
the problem with that as well um but i i don't
know i i i feel like the combat doesn't matter
because for the most part you can just run past
everything i mean other than the bosses themselves
uh the rest of the game running isn't the word
i would use but well whatever ambly shuffling
yeah whatever i don't know i i did enjoy i i
like the graphics i think the cut scenes were
interesting I liked the way I liked the exploration
of the ship and everything. Like you said, I
liked finding the using Brown to find items and
get the collectibles and everything like that.
I liked the way that they used children's stories.
I mean, some of them were just straight copies
of like old Grimm's fairy tale stuff. I like
the way they took those and turned them into
two chapters that you played through. So. I feel
like there's enough good in here. If you can
get past the controls and the combat, I think
there is enough here to enjoy. So would I recommend
it? I don't know. That's kind of tough because
for some people like there are certain games
like I know I'm going to get shit for this, but
like the Witcher games, they are beautiful games.
The stories are incredible. The combat's fucking
shit and I hate it. And just like. I'd like those
games. Man, I would never recommend those games.
Same thing with the Elder Scrolls games and those
stuff. I cannot stand the combat in those games,
so I just don't like those games. So I can understand
that, but I don't know. I think I would recommend
it. I think I would recommend you to give it
a chance. If you can get past the combat and
stuff, I think there's enough here to enjoy for
most people. All right. Anything else anybody
wants to say about probably the last Atlas game
we'll play on this show? Good riddance. Yeah.
All right, I do actually want to do something
real quick. I want to ask, what so far has been
your least favorite and most favorite game? Just
curious. I want to kind of get a litmus test
here on what you guys think. This game by far
my least. Yeah? Yeah. Okay. I agree with that.
I was talking to Ryan earlier. I kind of feel
bad because I think I gave Senti a little harsh.
You were definitely harsh, yeah. Yeah. You said,
where's the action? I still do agree with most
what I said on that game, but I think I was a
little harsh. Fair enough. I still don't agree
that was a good game. Jacob, what was your least
favorite game? Better than this game? Least favorite
game? Demon's Crest, I'd say. Only because, I
don't know, I just didn't want to come back to
it. Oh, man. There wasn't much for me to... It
wasn't my cup of tea. That's all I had to say.
Yeah, okay. Mine's either between Splatterhouse
or Castlevania, honestly. Splatterhouse? It's
just so simple. I don't know. I don't hate it.
I'm not saying I hate it. Just compared to all
the games we've played so far, it's just so simple.
But I don't know. I'd probably pick Castlevania,
honestly. And I know a lot of people are going
to be like, what the hell is wrong with you?
I can see that. That one's more understandable
than Splatterhouse. That Splatterhouse kind of
hurt, man. Really? It's just so simple. I don't
know. I'm going to have to say Castlevania. Again,
I'm not saying I hate the game. It's just out
of everything we've played, that was probably
the one I enjoyed the least. I didn't see that
coming. I don't know. There was too much stuff
in Castlevania. I didn't see that. I don't know.
Just compared to the other stuff. I'm not saying
it's a bad game or I don't like it. Just compared
to everything else. That's not what I'm hearing.
Okay. All right. Well, you need to clean your
ears out or something. I liked Crusader Ascenti.
We know this. Yeah. But all right. What I made
the video for Instagram, I was like, I was a
little too harsh on this game too. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I don't think it's the best game I've
ever played. I mean, it was the first one, too,
where some of us didn't like it, so I can understand.
Yeah, yeah. But, dude, I do have to say, I love
the soundtrack in that game. Dude, it is so good.
It's so good. It's so good. That's all I gotta
say. Yeah, I think mine would probably be Castlevania.
There's just too much, whatever. We've already
gone through all that. We don't need to do that.
Let me ask you now, what is your most... Favorite
game that we played. We ain't got Ryan's yet.
What? Rule of Rose. Come on. I said Rule of Rose,
yeah. Yeah, I agreed with you. You agreed with
me. It's not even a question. I just want you
to say it. Yeah, I know. He needs an affirmation.
Yeah, he already knows. I think for the most
favorite, I think I'm going to have to say Donkey
Kong. Yeah, Donkey Kong. Yeah, that game's just
too damn good. Donkey Kong, great game. Yeah,
that game is amazing. If you've never played
Donkey Kong, you've got to play Donkey Kong.
What? Shut up, bro. I said if you never played
Donkey Kong, you gotta play Donkey Kong. You've
never played Donkey Kong. Shut up. Jacob, do
you agree with Donkey Kong or you gotta be different?
You know what? This is Jacob's favorite. I'm
gonna be different and I know you guys are gonna
hate this, but this was probably my favorite
game. Jesus Christ. I'm not surprised. It's no
surprise, isn't it? Yeah, we're not surprised.
Just hearing you say that does... That hurted
me. I hope it hurts you. I'm good if I'm asking
you to say this today. I just wanted to see.
I was just curious. I'd like to every episode
from now on see if that ever changes. All right.
Oh, I didn't say mine. Oh, yeah, that's right.
I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead, Eric.
Go ahead. Okay, okay. I thought you said it was
Donkey Kong. No, I was just saying that was a
good pick. I thought you guys were saying it
was Donkey Kong. No, no, no. We were just building
you up. That's all. Okay, well, thanks. That
was great. You guys might find this one weird.
I'm going to go with Scoon. All right. I can
see it. Okay. I had so much fun playing that
game, dude. Honestly, bro. Between new, like
game I've never played, Schoon. Game I've played
before, Donkey Kong. Okay. Pick one. What was
your most favorite? Schoon. Okay. I just had
so much fun playing Schoon. Ryan? Yeah, I don't
know, dude. Donkey Kong, Splatterhouse, and Schoon.
Those are my favorites that we played. But it's
so tough, man. Game -wise, Donkey Kong is just
so fucking good. But just the amount of fun we
were having playing Scoon, that tops it all off,
dude. Me and you fighting for the leaderboard.
I think Scoon was the most game we talked about
outside of the podcast. That was the most not
immersive, but interactive that we wore all together
in one game. Yeah, I agree. And dude, I love
Scoon, man. I played up to fucking 2 o 'clock
trying to get the highest leaderboard I could
on the leaderboard and I didn't get it because
it doesn't go up a million. But dude, I was just
having so much fun. I had to stop because I was
literally falling asleep playing it. But god,
dude, it's just such a simple, fun fucking game.
And we were all just enjoying the hell out of
it. And just that aspect of just all of us being
interactive with it and just all being one thing.
The purpose of this podcast is definitely Scoon,
but Donkey Kong is a good game. That's fine.
Two sides of the sword, I guess. I'd like to
go forward from now on and ask every time, did
this game change anything? Your least or most
favorite. We gotta make like a list for that
or something. Yeah, I'll put it up on, I can
do that on the list we got, so. Yeah, a tier
list. Yeah. I mean, yeah, we can do that too.
Fucking pile of dog shit. Yeah, just like a trash
pile. Brown, brown shit, brown shit pile. Big,
big brown poopy pile. That's, that's rule of
rules. And then put Jacob's opinions in there
too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jacob, I'm with
you on this one. I'm just fucking with you, dude.
I could be a dick, but I don't understand how
you guys enjoyed this game. We don't understand
how you didn't. I'm just saying, anytime you
make fun of my opinion, just know I made money
off my opinions. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, that's
fine. Anytime you make fun of his opinion, there's
four fingers pointing back. Remember that? Yeah.
right up his ass yeah that's where they go start
digging your butt all right that's it that's
our review of rule rose let us know what you
thought did you hate it are you team atlas are
you team sony um all right so we're gonna move
over to the next game here which we're gonna
be playing sonic advance for the game boy advance
um do you guys have any experience with this
game nope anybody plays this i don't think i
played this game Yeah, I mean, I played a lot
of Sonic games, but I've never played the Advance
games. For some reason, I just skipped a lot
of stuff in Game Boy Advance. I don't know why.
Game Boy Advance and DS, I never played a lot
of. It looks cool. It looks dope. I know a little
bit about it, but it looks cool. I think they're
just kind of like the OG Sonics. I think so.
I think they're just like 2D. It just looks like
Sonic. Yeah, I think they're just 2D Sonics,
yep. And you can't go wrong with that. Nah, dude,
no way. I mean, you can, but yeah. Well, yeah,
I mean. it's been done before yeah yeah all right
so the good outweighs the bad let's take a look
at the front of the box here um it's a cool cover
but it's not much it's just sonic with his cool
thumbs up uh knuckles tails amy a chow and i
think that's it that's all they're just kind
of standing back there everybody's smiling i
like how they have like the classic like checkerboard
and like the sega checkerboard back there that's
cool yeah I just noticed Sonic has five fingers.
How many fingers is he supposed to have? Well,
most cartoon characters have like four. Not this
guy. Sonic's different. Sonic's cool, bro. I
think he's got five toes too, right? Yeah, they
show it in the comic books, yeah. There's a lot
of pictures online of Sonic's feet. Yeah, I know.
You wouldn't know. I've seen something. If you
go on the internet. Yeah, just type Sonic's feet
on the internet. You know what's crazy to me?
These Game Boy Advance boxes, the Game Boy Advance
logo takes up so much fucking room on the front
of these boxes, dude. That's crazy. It's at least
like a third of the box, almost. That's pretty
crazy. And then there's like four different logos
at the bottom here. There's a Nintendo seal,
licensed by Nintendo, Sonic Team, and Sega all
on the front here. Ridiculous. There's a lot
going on here. As a kid of the 90s, it is always
crazy. I don't care how long it's been, but seeing
Sega and Nintendo in the same box is just crazy
to me. I can't believe that that happened. It's
such a wild thing. I don't think I really ever
bought it. I think I was a little too late for
that one. What? Sega and Nintendo. Oh, like the...
The collaboration. Yeah. I never really thought
it was weird. I don't know, just like... The
early 90s man, Sega, was just trying to beat
the crap out of Nintendo. I don't know. It's
just funny to see that they were like, all right,
well, we're on Nintendo consoles now. All right,
let's take a look at that here. Sonic is back
to save the world. The evil Dr. Eggman. Oh, his
name's Eggman at this point. I don't like that.
The evil Dr. Eggman is at it again with a brand
new scheme to trip up Sonic and his pals. Maneuver
your way through obstacles, puzzles, and traps
to collect the Chao Emeralds and defeat the vile
Dr. Eggman before it's too late. Play as Sonic,
Knuckles, Tails, or Amy. Link up to four players
on one game pack. That's pretty cool. Zip through
levels filled with puzzles and traps at Sonic
speed. Exchange Chao between the Game Boy Advance
and the Sonic Adventure 2 battle game on the
Nintendo GameCube. That's pretty cool. We might
have to see if we can do that for... Four -player
game thing somehow. You know, I was making the
joke before we started recording, but what are
Chao Emeralds? Yeah, I thought that was a typo.
They're just... I'm sure they're just... I'm
sure they're just the Chaos Emeralds of this
game, yeah. Did they just forget the S? No, they're
probably on Chao Island or something. Who knows?
Yeah, it's probably the name of the world. What
a very weird name. Each Sonic series has different
ones. The DS ones have the Time Stones or whatever.
It's CD. What's the Blaze ones? I don't know.
I forgot. I don't know, actually. I forgot. I
thought hers were like time things, too. They
might be. Or is that the soul? Oh, yeah. I think
so. Are her the soul emeralds? Yeah, I think
you're right. Okay. I can't remember. Which we
got to play the DS ones, too, because Blaze the
Cat's one of my favorite characters. The Rush
ones? Yeah, the Rush ones are awesome. Yeah,
Sonic Rush, yeah. Rush Adventure's pretty good.
Yeah, you had Rush on your DS, right? Yeah. Yeah,
that game's awesome. I played the shit out of
that game. Yeah, that game is pretty good. Yeah,
I mean, on the back here, it looks like pretty
normal Sonic fare. Are these in the same continuity
of those games? I think they are. What, as Rush?
Yeah. I don't know if they're related. I know
there's, like, what, three of these? Four? No,
three. Yeah, I don't know how interconnected
all the Sonic stuff is. I think they're all connected.
I think they're all within the same lore. It
looks like this one has a Chao Garden, which
those can probably be pretty fun. They're kind
of like Tamagotchi things. Oh, nice. Yeah, this
one looks pretty cool. Not much to make fun of.
It's Sonic the Hedgehog. You can't make fun of
him. Yeah. Yeah. That's never happened before.
Go search your name and put the hedgehog after
it and you'll have lots of fun. No comment. I
think that's going to do it for this episode.
Thank you everyone for taking the time to listen
to us ramble. We appreciate it. Go check out
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up in there. Let us know what you thought of
the game this week. Let us know what you think
of the game we're going to play next week if
you're looking forward to it. Yep. You guys got
any questions or you want to DM us on Instagram,
we'll reply to you. Oh, yeah, that's true. Hit
us up. Let us know. We'll talk. Got some opinions.
Yeah. Let us know. As long as I not agree with
Eric or Ryan, that's all. Yeah. If you say Rule
of Rose is your favorite game, you're getting
blocked. Yeah, you're getting banned. Shadow
banned. Nah, we won't do that. All right. We'll
see you guys in the next one. Peace. See you.