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Spiritual warfare is real. I'm going to share

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the most fearful frontal attack with demons that

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I ever had. I don't mean to be dramatic. I'm

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not trying to say anything beyond what's occurred,

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but I've learned when I share this experience,

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people line up and tell me, thank you, Chip,

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that's happened to me. If you've ever had a scary

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encounter with demonic forces, God has some answers.

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Welcome to this weekend edition of Living on

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the Edge with Chip Ingram. We are an international

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teaching and discipleship ministry dedicated

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to helping Christians worldwide live out their

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faith for the glory of God and the good of all.

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Well, this past week we wrapped up our series,

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The Invisible War, based in Ephesians chapter

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6. But today we're revisiting Chip's talk, How

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to Do Battle with the Enemy and Win. In this

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message, he explained the reality of spiritual

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warfare happening all around us and shared a

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few vivid examples he's witnessed personally.

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Now, his stories aren't meant to scare or intimidate

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you, but open your eyes to Satan's influence

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and remind you of the ultimate power and victory

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Jesus has over evil. So if you're ready, grab

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your notes and go in your Bible to Ephesians

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6, verse 16, as we settle in for Chips Talk.

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This was now many years ago. It was our first

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year in Santa Cruz, and Santa Cruz is a place,

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very new age, a lot of demonic activity. It's

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2 a .m. in the morning. I don't know whether

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I'm awake or I'm asleep. All I know is I can

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look over and see my wife in the bed, and I know

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I can't move any part of my body. And I'm thinking,

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I must have a rare disease because this is really,

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really weird because I can't move my hands, I

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can't move anything, but I can move my eyes and

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I can see my wife. And then I'm looking around

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the room as much as I can and a sense of evil,

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you know, the night is dark, but if there's a

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darkness that can come over the dark, it did.

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And then it was like a 5 ,000 pound... came on

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my chest and started pushing down and pushing

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down and pushing down, and I couldn't get my

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breath. And then it was like someone grabbed

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my windpipe and squeezing. And I don't know if

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you ever remember as a kid when someone, when

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you were at a pool and they were dunking you

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and they held you under, and they held you under

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and you were sure, you can't get your breath,

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you can't get your breath. And that's what it

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felt like. And I literally remember in my mind,

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help Jesus, help Jesus, help, help, help. And

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I just thought. How can you drown or die in your

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bed and not be able to move your body? And then

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just at the last minute before I kind of passed

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out from not getting my breath, and then I sat

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up in bed and I was literally soaking wet. And

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if you've ever seen me play basketball, I mean,

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when I play, I mean, I was drenched and the bed

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was drenched and my wife was asleep over here.

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And there's like evil in the room, like never

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in the hairs on the back of my neck. And I'm

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wondering, what is happening? And I'm terrified.

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What do you do when some very unusual things

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happen? First of all, you need to understand

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there's four facts you need to know. And this

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is the baseline. Fact number one, God has objectively

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defeated Satan and his agenda. He has delivered

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us from sin's penalty, power, and ultimately

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will deliver us from sin's presence. In the interim,

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we're involved in a guerrilla warfare with demonic

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forces. Fact number one. Fact number two. As

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believers, we have been transferred from the

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kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light with

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all the rights, privileges, and position of being

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a child of God and what that entails. Fact number

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three. The spiritual battle that we fight involves

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our responsibility on our part to put on the

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spiritual protection God has provided for us.

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We can and we will resist the enemy's attempts

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to deceive, accuse, and cast out when we stand

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firm by, number one, being honest with God, ourselves,

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and others as a prerequisite to spiritual battle.

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And we learned what? It's the belt of truth.

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Number two, responding to the truth that God

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shows us about his will for our lives or living

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righteously. the breastplate of righteousness.

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And number three, a clear understanding and a

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readily sharing of the gospel, the message of

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grace. Our feet shod with the gospel. Now get

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this, and please, fact number four is very important.

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The great majority of spiritual warfare never

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need go beyond the regular practice of living

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out your position in Christ by faith. Our practice

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of Paul's metaphor of the spiritual armor protects

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us from Satan's ongoing attempts to break our

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fellowship with Jesus, and as a result, greatly

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minimizes any impact by the enemy. And now, however,

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there are times when we must move beyond standing

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firm, and here's the key word, engage the enemy

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in actual combat. There are times that are very

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predictable when it will go from you have a great

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defense, you're not being deceived, you're walking

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with God, and there's some times when frontal

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attack is likely to happen. Five examples. Number

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one, when you're taking significant steps of

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faith for spiritual growth. Second, when we're

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invading enemy territory. The third time is when

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you're exposing him for who he really is. We

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as a staff knew we were going to teach on this.

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We started a few weeks ago, and we really upped

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our prayer and intercession, knowing this was

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going to happen. Fourth is when we repent or

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make a clean break with the world or a long -held

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sin pattern or unholy relationship. And then

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finally, when God is preparing us individually

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or corporately for a great work for His glory.

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You know, you read Nehemiah, and as Nehemiah

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begins to rebuild the wall, A revival is going

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to take place, and Ezra's going to come in, and

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God's going to turn all of history around with

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this business guy. And chapters 1, 2, and 3 are

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pretty exciting, but chapters 4, 5, and 6 are

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about opposition. And he gets general opposition,

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and he gets personal opposition, then there's

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an assassination on him. Jesus is ready to launch

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his ministry. He's ready to be the savior of

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the world and begin his formal teaching ministry.

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And what happens? He's led by the Holy Spirit

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into the wilderness and he's tempted by the enemy,

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right? So those are times when we can expect.

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The question is, once you're wearing your spiritual

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armor, yet find yourself bombarded by spiritual

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opposition, how do you engage the enemy and win

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the battle? Well, we know that our battle is

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not against flesh and blood, but it's against

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the rulers, the powers, the world forces, the

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spiritual darkness, right? Therefore, stand firm

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in the Lord. Right? Put on the full armor of

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God. And having what? Girded your loins with

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truth. Having put on the breastplate of righteousness.

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And having had your feet shod with the gospel.

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In addition, verse 16, to all, taking up the

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shield of faith, which you will be able to extinguish

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all the flaming missiles of the evil one. and

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take the helmet of salvation and the sword of

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the spirit, which is the word of God. So how

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you engage that is I would like to talk about

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these three armor pieces that we have that will

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teach us how to engage in spiritual battle and

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win. Taking up the shield of faith. Paul gives

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us this metaphor, and the faith here is the absolute

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confidence in God, his promises, his power, and

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his program for our lives. Although rooted in

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the objective reality of the gospel and our new

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standing with God, justification, in other words,

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saving faith, this faith refers to our present

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faith in the Lord Jesus Christ for victory over

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sin and a host of demonic activity. That's a

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quote from Kenneth Wiest. Its purpose is to quench

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the fiery missiles. of the evil one, which kind

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of raises the question, what exactly is a fiery

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missile or a dart? Let me suggest it's the schemes,

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the temptations, the lies, the deceptions, and

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the attacks aimed at us, God's people, get this

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down, to get us to shift our trust to something

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or someone other than God. The goal, just the

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goal is, don't trust God. It's impossible to

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please him apart from faith. The number one agenda

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of God in your life is this, will you trust me?

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Will you believe in? When Jesus was asked, what

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is the work of God? John chapter six, he said,

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this is the work of God, that you believe on

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him whom he has sent. There's only one time the

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disciples are ever reproved by Jesus that we

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have in the New Testament. Oh, you of little.

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He wants us to believe. He's demonstrated his

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power. He's given us his promises. In fact, here's

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a question that in any situation, okay? Jot this

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down. It's not in your notes. Maybe it's a challenge

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in your marriage. Maybe it's a challenge in your

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business. A challenge with one of your grown

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kids. Maybe it's a physical situation. Ask this

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question. What does it look like to trust God

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in this situation? Lord? I don't know what to

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do. What does it look like to trust you? That

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changes the equation. Because here's what I know

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is God's will. No matter what I'm going through,

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an all -knowing, all -powerful, good and sovereign

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God wants me to trust him. I may have a role

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in it. I may not. But we tend to jump to how

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do I fix this or how do I take control of it?

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Or how do I manage it? Some examples of fiery

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darts are blasphemous thoughts. Other things

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that can happen, hateful thoughts, doubts, a

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burning desire to sin, questioning others' motives,

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unexplained waves of discouragement or depression,

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often rooted in either questioning God's identity

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or your new identity. You're listening to Living

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on the Edge. And before we continue today's program,

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let me quickly ask you, are you concerned about

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the lies and temptations bombarding your kids

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each and every day? Well, join us after the message

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to hear about a valuable small group resource

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that will help you as a parent equip your children

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with the truth and the biblical armor they need

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to stand victorious. Keep listening after this

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message to learn more. But for now, here again

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is Chip to continue our series, The Invisible

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War. I shared, this would happen to me, I mean,

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every Saturday afternoon for months and months

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and months until I recognized what was happening.

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The classic example, and let me encourage you

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in this whole area of spiritual warfare, study

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Genesis chapter 3 and study Matthew chapter 4.

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The game plan hasn't changed. Did God really

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say? There's always a doubt in his word. Notice

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he doesn't come as Satan. He comes disguised.

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So he comes disguised, almost always offering

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you a good thing to solve a problem in your life.

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But he's offering a shortcut or it's a good thing

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in a bad way or at a bad time or in a way that

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God has said this is not the way to do it. And

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then after that, If you take a piece of the fruit,

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whatever the fruit happens to be that he's shown

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you and you know is wrong, then he will blow

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over you with the condemnation for what you've

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done and then convince you that you're unworthy

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of any of God's mercy and any of God's grace,

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and it's a downward spiral. As you would study

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Matthew chapter 4, you'll find that Jesus is

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tempted in three specific areas. And if you study

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Genesis carefully, you'll find that they're tempted

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in three specific areas. And those three areas

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are found in 1 John. I want you all to open your

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Bibles to 1 John, all the way at the end, 1 John

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2. And in 1 John 2, he will identify the three

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areas of temptation that faced our first parents.

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The three areas of temptation. that Jesus faced,

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and the three areas of temptation that you and

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I will always face. These are like three verses

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that would be of great profit to memorize. Verse

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15 of 1 John chapter 2. Do not love the world

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or the things that are in the world. If anyone

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loves the world, the love of the Father is not

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in him. Okay, well what's the world? Is this

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the physical world? No. This is the world as

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in the culture, the society, and the values.

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And who's the prince and the power and the governor

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of this world? Satan. And so he creates culture

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and society and norms and values to seduce. Here's

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his goal. He's a seducer. He wants to seduce

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you. from your love of Jesus and get you to love

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you, yourself. And he tells you the way that

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you can have all that you want. Remember what

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Eve, this will make you like God. And we don't

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want to admit this, but when we want to control

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our world and our outcomes, we want to be little

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gods. And so notice what he says. Well, what

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is the world? For all that is in the world, the

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lust of the flesh. The lust of the eyes and the

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boastful pride of life is not from the Father,

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but is from the world. And then the next verse

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is like perspective. And the world is passing

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away, and also its lusts. But the one who does

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the will of God abides forever. And by the way

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here, this word for lust, lust of the eyes, it's

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not necessarily a negative word. Literally, it's

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the word desire. In this passage and others,

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there's a little prefix they put to it. It means

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an intensified desire. And so three things. Jesus

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comes. An enemy says, first questioning his identity.

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If you are the son of God, he knew who he was.

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But it's prove it. Prove it. Turn these stones

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into bread. Use your supernatural power. Rather

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than trusting God, you take control. And it's

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been 40 days and the text says he's hungry. He

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has a... legitimate need for food. And the enemy

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says, well then turn the stones and prove something

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and you can meet your legitimate physical need

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of the flesh now, my way in my time. And what

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did Jesus say? It is written, man shall not live

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by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds

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out of the mouth of God. The test, lust of the

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flesh. Then he took him up to the top of the

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temple. He says, throw yourself off. And then

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are you ready? He quotes scripture. He quotes

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the Psalms and says, the angels will catch you.

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Here's the temptation, the lust of the eyes.

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You want to look good in front of people. People

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will know you're the Messiah. You'll be hot stuff.

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And then third, look at all these kingdoms. You

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can have power. You can have fame. You can have

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glory. And guess what? There's no cross involved.

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All you have to do is bow down and worship me.

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Be gone, Satan. And each time it is written,

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it is written, it is written. Sometimes words

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like lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, the

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pride of life, they sound a bit biblical because

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they are. Can I give it to you in our nomenclature?

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Lust of the flesh, sex. Lust of the eyes, status,

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greed, possessions. Is it wrong to have appetite

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for food, a desire for sex, a desire for significance,

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a desire for security? Absolutely not. It's how

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you go about getting it and believing that that

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will satisfy you. God says, Sex inside marriage

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is one of my most precious gifts. Food, we all

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need food. But there's one thing to love food.

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It's another thing to live to eat. And so he

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says to us that these desires for the flesh,

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I want to provide for you. These are legitimate

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needs. But let me provide for you in my way and

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in my time and in the right way. And so the application

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here. When darts of doubt and deception must

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be immediately met with the shield of faith,

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your active, present application of truth to

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your personal situation, as soon as you recognize

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the dart. And now, I hope you're thinking, okay,

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what's that look like? I mean, practically. I

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mean, how does this actually work? Let me give

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you three examples. First, it's trusting in God's

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character. On a card I have written the goodness

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of God, Psalm 8411. The Lord God, Lord Adonai

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Yahweh, is a sun and a shield. Unlimited source,

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unlimited protection. The Lord God is a sun and

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a shield. The Lord gives grace and glory. No

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good thing will he withhold from those who walk

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uprightly. And I've memorized that card, and

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then I have a definition on the back of the card

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of the goodness of God. Is that which aspect

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of my heavenly father that longs and finds great

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happiness in his people? And he wants to give

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me the very best. When God revealed himself to

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Moses, Moses said, show me your glory. Do you

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remember what he said? I'll let all my goodness

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pass before you. The Hebrew word for goodness

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there, the root of it is generosity. The most

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generous, lavish, caring, loving, compassionate

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person in the whole universe is God. He's got

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your back and he's for you. But the moment that

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thought comes, Oh, he's not good. If I stay sexually

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pure, I'll never get married. God's not good.

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If I give my all and surrender to him, he'll

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send me to some foreign country where there's

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snakes and I hate snakes. And, you know, all

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those are rooted in a lie. And the moment your

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mind starts that way, you stop and you out loud

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say, the Lord God is a son. and a shield he has

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unlimited source of ability and abundance he

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can protect me from anything he gives grace what's

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grace that's getting what you don't deserve he

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gives glory he wants to exalt he wants to lift

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you up he wants to help you as you walk with

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him by faith no good thing will he withhold from

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those who walk uprightly This is Living on the

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Edge with Chip Ingram, and you've been listening

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to Part 1 of Chip's message, How to Do Battle

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with the Enemy and Win, from our series, The

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Invisible War. Chip will be back shortly to share

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some helpful application for us to think about.

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Right now, there's a spiritual battle happening

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all around us. We can't see it, but it's an epic

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struggle for our hearts and minds. So what are

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we as believers supposed to do? Well, in this

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eight -part study, Chip walked through Ephesians

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chapter 6, explaining how we're to think about,

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prepare for, and respond to spiritual warfare.

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Our prayer is that through this teaching, you've

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learned how to fight against our enemy and win.

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Let me encourage you to go back and revisit any

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part of this series by going to livingontheedge

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.org or wherever you listen to podcasts. Well,

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Chip's still with me in studio. And Chip, we've

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received a ton of emails and messages recently

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from young people who've been motivated by your

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teaching or are using some of our resources.

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And I know just how encouraging that is to you.

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Well, Dave, you're right. I'm always excited

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when high schoolers or college students, you

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know, they'll write me and they'll... Tell me

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that, you know, we've got a group at college

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and we're listening to your messages or we've

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done this small group or, you know, I've got

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a couple questions or I read this book and I

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get so excited because there are young men and

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women that are making a difference, people in

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their 20s, early 30s that love God that are digging

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in. And if you're one of those people, here's

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what I want you to know. Yes, it's very challenging

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to be a godly young man or young woman. in our

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current world, and you are in a battle. And here's

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what I would encourage you to do. If you've never

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done the small group series, The Invisible War,

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what every believer needs to know about Satan,

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demons, and spiritual warfare, I want you to

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pause right now and think about who's a bunch

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of guys or a bunch of gals or maybe a college

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group or a Sunday school class or just some people

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that you hang out with. And you say, let's get

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together once a week. and let's study what the

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Bible says about spiritual warfare. I want you

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to know you're being attacked probably like no

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other group, especially digitally and through

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social media, and the temptations and the struggles

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are overwhelming. I want you to know there's

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victory, there's power, but you need to understand

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what the spiritual armor is all about and how

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you can live and overcome the very things that

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are coming at you. There's few things that are

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more important. than understanding where the

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battle is that you've already won and how to

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put into practice the weapons that God has given

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you to win the battle each and every day. To

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learn more about the Invisible War small group,

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go to livingontheedge .org. Join Chip in this

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vital study and uncover the biblical weapons

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and armor we've been given to withstand Satan's

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attacks and stand victorious over him. Place

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your order for the Invisible War small group.

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by visiting livingontheedge .org. Have listeners

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tap special offers. Well, with that, here again

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is Chip to share a few final words. As you listen

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to today's program, what came to your mind? What

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darts are coming at your life? And let me ask

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you this question. Can you, like Jesus, reach

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into the passages of Scripture, quote that passage

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with authority, know your standing, and put up

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the shield? If not, you're in big trouble. I

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praise God that I've memorized some key passages.

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And some of you may feel overwhelmed and like,

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well, I'm glad Chip knows these verses and Jesus

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obviously did. I don't know what to do. Go to

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the website and download these notes for free.

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It's livingontheedge .org, and I've given specific

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passages with the promises so you can pull up

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the shield of faith. God wants to help you, but

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you need to dig in and get a grasp of God's Word

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in the areas where you need it the most. Good

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challenge to leave us with today, Chip. Thanks.

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You've been listening to a selected program that

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we wanted to share from this past week. To hear

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more from Chip's series, The Invisible War, go

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to livingontheedge .org or wherever you listen

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to podcasts. Until next time, I'm Dave Drewy

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saying thanks for listening to this weekend edition

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of Living on the Edge.
