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This is the Chip Ingram Sermon Podcast, brought

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to you by Living on the Edge. In this podcast,

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you'll hear Chip's teaching unedited and from

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beginning to end. Chip titled today's message,

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How to Experience Authentic Community. Did you

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ever wonder why so many Christians get spiritually

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stuck? I mean, the Bible's very, very clear.

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It says, if any man, if any woman is in Christ,

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The old things pass away. Behold, all things

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become new. And yet, you know, you meet people,

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and I mean sincere, good. I don't mean slackers.

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I mean people that really love God. They've seen

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transformation in some very significant areas,

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and they're even in the Bible on a regular basis,

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and they really want to grow, and yet they hit

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a ceiling or they stall. There's just some area

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that just seems to, you know, the temper just

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never seems to get under the Spirit's control

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or how they say certain things or the way they

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judge people or there's a little private eating

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disorder over here or an addiction maybe even

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on the internet. And then they feel terrible

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and they promise God and they recommit their

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life about 25 times and then they just feel stuck.

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It's where Andy was when he... came and talked

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to me, except I would have never dreamed Andy

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was stuck. Andy came when I was pastoring another

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church many, many years ago. And I met him in

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the first 10, 20 minutes. I thought, wow, we

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were really growing at the time and were longing

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for leaders. And he moved in from out of town.

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And I met him, met his wife, just got to know

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him. And it was just like, wow, I just so got

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a heart for God. Got up in the mornings with

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spending time with God. I saw his family. He

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had been a Christian for quite a while, so he'd

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been in leadership positions in churches. And

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he was a great guy, I mean, warm and caring.

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And I would never have dreamed that there was

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a little pocket, sort of a little pocket in Andy's

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life that he was stuck. And he asked if we could

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grab a cup of coffee, and he had something he

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really needed to share with me. I said, sure,

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Andy, glad to. And we sat down, and he began

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to... Tell me about that compartment that had

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been sealed off that he tried so hard and he

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was stuck. He said, you know, it started when

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I was about, oh, eight or nine years old and

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a Sears catalog came in the mail and I was flipping

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through it and found myself in the lingerie session.

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Then later I found some magazines underneath

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my dad's bed. By the time I was a teenager, I

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was fully addicted to at least soft porn. When

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the internet happened, it was just like, Over,

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overwhelming, the access and the privacy that

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you could have. And he said, Chip, I have prayed,

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I've fasted, I've memorized verse, I've begged

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God, I'll go for a few weeks or a few months,

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and just my whole life, I mean, my wife, I love

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her, I'm absolutely committed to her, my kids,

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I've tried to do all, but this, I'm stuck. And

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then he shared with me, he said, I heard something

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on the radio about this group of people and they

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are meeting. And he said, for about the last

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six months, I've been driving 45 minutes on Thursday

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night and I'm meeting with this group of people

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and I got unstuck. The answer to why he was stuck

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despite God's word and all the rest came when

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he met with that group and I'll tell you a little

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bit more about it. But as you see on your notes,

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Part of the answer is that the greatest seed

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in the greatest soil cannot grow in the wrong

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environment. You might write Luke chapter 8 or

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Mark chapter 4, parallel passages, and Jesus

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is talking about calling himself, he's the sower,

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and what he sows is the seed, and the seed is

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God's word, and the soil is the human hearts,

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the various reception that the word of God receives.

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And if you know the story, some is on the path

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and some on the rocky soil. It's just the condition

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of different people's hearts and some where it's

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thorny and others is good soil. Good and honest

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heart. People who are really honest and really

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want to grow. But here's what I want you to get.

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The greatest seed, God's word, in the greatest

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soil, a good and honest heart, cannot grow. in

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the wrong environment. There's certain things

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in your life and in my life, in every believer's

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life, transformation won't occur no matter how

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much you're in the Bible, no matter how honest

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and desiring your heart is, apart from you being

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in this environment where it can occur. What

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I want you to see is there is a specific ecosystem

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or environment that God has. that brings about

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transformation when the seed of God's word in

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your heart and mine is there. And if it's not

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there, certain things, you'll just get stuck.

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Notice in your notes, a little biblical background

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here, the command of Jesus requires very specific

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ecosystem or environment. The very last night

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on the earth, he'd washed their feet and then

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he turned to them and he looked them eye to eye

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and he said, I want you, this is the new commandment,

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to love each other in the same way I've loved

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you. Sacrificially, authentically, lay down your

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life for one another, but it requires an environment.

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The second is the example of Jesus requires a

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very specific environment. When he wanted to

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change the world, he started by teaching. And

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he went and there was multitudes and thousands

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and thousands of people and he did miracles.

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But then when he wanted to get the team together

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that would change the world, he stayed up all

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night, he prayed all night, and he chose 12 to

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be, the text says, with him. The multitudes heard

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the truth. The 12 learned to live the life. There

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was an environment that... They needed to be

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in for all that truth to get down on their soul

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and their life and their relationships. The practice

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of the early church and its impact argue for

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the same environment. You know the story. They

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were committed in Acts 2 to the apostles' teaching

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and to the fellowship of gathering together and

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to the breaking of bread and to the Lord's Supper.

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And it says then they gathered how? In the temple

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courts and Peter or John or someone would preach

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and teach all these brand new Christians. And

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then where? From house to house. Finally, the

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church history, past and present, confirm this

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specific environment for spiritual growth and

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transformation. And whether I could take you

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back to the Moravians or the Wesleys or the Welsh

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revival, and they would get these little societies

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together, or I could take you to Korea that was,

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I mean, completely non -Christian five, six decades

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ago, and the cell movement or the small group

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movement now, spanning the earth. Here's what

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I want you to get. The specific environment or

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ecosystem in which the seed of God's word in

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your heart that's honest and good and wants to

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grow is authentic community. It's authentic community.

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Notice the form that it takes is a small group.

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I mean, the group could be three people, four

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people, 10 people, but that's just the form.

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That's the container. Never, ever confuse just

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being in a small group with authentic community.

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I've been in small groups that there's no authentic

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community, haven't you? You ever gone to a small

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group and someone opens the Bible and reads a

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little bit and, you know, or maybe you watch

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a little part of the DVD and someone says, well,

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what did you get for question four? What did

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you get for question seven? Oh, that's nice,

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that's nice. And then some deep question is asked

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and the answer is, oh, maybe I should. I should

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probably not work so much. Oh, okay, thank you

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for sharing so deeply. Are there any prayer requests?

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Yeah, my hip really hurts. It really hurts, you

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know. And then you kind of get over with that.

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Then you get up and the ladies are over here.

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Did you hear about that Nordstrom cell or Macy's?

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Do you know what's going on there? And the guys

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who are over here are going, man, those giants

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are doing it now, the 49ers. I'll tell you what,

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that linebacker. And then you eat a few more

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little treats and you get in your car and say,

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wasn't that great? Well, it was. But just don't

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call it authentic community. It's a good start.

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It's a connection. At least you know some people.

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But authentic community is deeper. Authentic

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community is this environment where people lay

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down their lives for one another. Authentic community

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is where you take a group of people and they

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say, you know what? We're going to change the

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world and we're around Jesus. Authentic community

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is living under persecution and hearing God's

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word and going from house to house to support

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one another to live it out. In fact, it raises

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two very important questions. Question number

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one is what is authentic community? And then

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question number two is how do you get it? And

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the answer to both those questions is in Romans

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chapter 12, verses 9 to 13. If you're just new

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with us, we're going through the chapter in Romans

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12. And in verse 1, we learn that what God really

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wants from all of us is what? He wants us surrendered

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to him, all we are, all that we have. In verse

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2, we said there's an enemy of our soul. There's

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a world system that's trying to woo and seduce

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our heart away from our Savior. And we're not

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to be conformed to this world, but be transformed

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by the renewing of our mind, to be separate from

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the world's values. And we looked at verses 3

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through 8, and we learned that we're not to think

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too high or too low, but to have a sober self

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-assessment, to know where we fit in the body.

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And now what he's going to talk about is serving

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and love. He's going to talk about what... kind

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of relationships are we to have as fellow believers?

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And if you look at your notes there, in verse

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9 you're going to see that authentic community

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is the real you showing up. Verse 10 is going

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to say that the real you needs to meet real needs.

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And then in verse 11 he's going to say the real

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you needs to meet real needs but for the right

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reason. And then verses 12 and 13, the real you

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needs to meet real needs for the right reason.

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And do it in the right way. For some of you,

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you're where my friend Andy was. You love God.

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You have a good heart. You're taking in God's

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word. But you're stuck. There's a ceiling. You

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have these outbursts of anger and you feel terrible

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about it. You have issues in your life that...

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You know you don't want, and you've told God,

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I'm sorry, and you want to change, and you've

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tried hard to change, but you still don't see

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any radical transformation. I'm telling you,

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this moment on this day may be God's answer to

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the environment in which some of those things

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you've struggled with so long, he can change.

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But it doesn't happen alone. So let's look together.

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What is authentic community? And maybe more importantly,

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how do you get it? First from verse nine, authentic

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community is the real you, not a projection of

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yourself. See, you can't have authentic community

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unless the real you shows up. Authentic community,

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he says, let love be sincere. Hate what is evil,

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cling to what is good. The two characteristics

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of the real you showing up is one, authenticity,

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and two, it's purity. Where the word says, let

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love be sincere, circle the word sincere and

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write above it hypocrisy. Paul is borrowing from

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the Greek of his day. And in the Greek theater

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of that day, they were all male actors. And so

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if you were a good thespian, you could be able

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to throw your voice and you could play a male

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part, a female part, an old person, a young person,

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and dressed up in different costumes. And then

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there would be a mask that you would wear. so

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you would throw your voice. And Paul takes that

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word for the mask, and that's this word. He says,

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let love be without a mask, without hypocrisy.

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Let the real you show up. Yes, you gotta be discerning

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and you gotta be careful of who you share the

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real you with, but he's saying that authentic

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community isn't just getting in a small group.

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It's when the real you's showing up and you let

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people see who you are, progressively, wisely,

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discerningly. In fact, jot in your notes if you

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were Acts chapter five. This is important. I

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mean, this is beyond important. Some people never

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experience this their entire Christian life and

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they can never figure out why they don't experience

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the transformation power that God has promised

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us in scripture. Now, I didn't grow up as a Christian.

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I never opened the Bible until I was 18. And

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so my first trip through the New Testament was

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like, oh, wow. I mean, really, it was like. Matthew,

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Mark, Luke, John. I mean, I didn't even know

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the names of stuff. And then I got to Acts, and

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I figured out, okay, this is the early church

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history. And, you know, Jesus ascended. He went

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to heaven. And in chapter 2, the church is born.

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And chapter 3, you know, he and John are, you

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know, doing miracles. And it's pretty exciting

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stuff. And then you get to chapter 5, and the

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church is exploding. And so there's all these

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needs. I mean, tens of thousands of people are

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now in the church in a very short amount of time.

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And about 80 % of them are slaves. percentage

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of pretty affluent people, some in Herod's household

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and others. And they did this in this time of

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emergency, they did this sort of unusual thing

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where they all came together and they said, we

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need to help each other. We need to be devoted

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to one another. And so in chapter four, it gives

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an example of this very wealthy man who had a

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piece of property in Cyprus on this island, which

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is the equivalent of like downtown San Francisco

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or Manhattan. In that day. And so he sells it

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and he takes the money and he says, look, I mean,

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I don't know this for sure, but you know, I got

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a second home. You know, this is a piece of property.

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You take this to meet the needs of the people

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in the church. They're really hurting. And I

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think a buzz happened in the church where, wow.

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I mean, it was so sacrificial. It was so generous.

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And people were like, boy, I guess this is what

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it means to love one another. And his name was

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Barnabas. And I think Barnabas got this reputation

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because they started calling him the son of encouragement.

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And the story goes on in Acts chapter five. And

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jot that down because before your head hits the

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pillow, you ought to read it. It's not very long.

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It's very interesting. But I'm a brand new Christian

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and I'm reading this. And so there's this young

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couple. I'm guessing they're young. Maybe they're

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not young. But Ananias and Sapphira. And so they

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kind of look around and they think, wow, everyone's

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talking about Barnabas. We wish people would

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talk about us like that. We sure wish people

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would think we're that generous and loving and

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kind. And so they hatched this plan. And the

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plan is, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna

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sell this piece of property and we'll get the

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money and we'll tell people that we sold it for

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this much money and like we gave it all away.

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But we'll really keep back the money for us so

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we'll kind of have our cake and eat it too. We'll

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appear generous and loving and sacrificial but

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we'll still have the major part of the money.

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And so, you know, he comes and talks to Peter

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and God reveals to Peter what's going on, and

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Peter says, Ananias, why have you lied to the

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Holy Spirit? Before it was sold, it was yours.

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After it was sold, it was yours. You aren't compelled

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to give a little or a lot. The issue is integrity.

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And then right there, bam, he dies. I mean, literally

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drops dead. And the young men come and pick him

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up for what? His hypocrisy. The very first sin

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in the church is hypocrisy. And the judgment

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is death. His wife comes a few hours later. And

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I'm thinking, Peter's going, I sure hope she's

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not in on this. And so he says, Sapphira, it's

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good to see you. How's things going? Oh, pretty

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good. How's the kids? I'm adding just a little.

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And he says to her, so did you sell this piece

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of land for such and such a price? Oh, yes. You

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know, Ananias, when you're married to such a

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generous, loving, kind, amazing husband like

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I have, and we sacrificially have given it all

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away, I'm, again, Reading between the lines.

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And Peter looks at her and I think just with

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sadness in his heart and said the young men's

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feet who took away your husband shall take you

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away as well. Bam! She dies. On the spot. And

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it says a great fear came among the church. Yeah,

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are you kidding? Now, you've got to understand,

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can you imagine if you've never read the Bible

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before and this is your first time through the

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New Testament and you're a brand new Christian,

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you're thinking, so this is what happens to hypocrites?

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I'm in trouble. I mean, literally, it was like,

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whoa. In fact, if God was acting in this way,

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I think he was going to make a point. See, if

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hypocrisy gets in the mix, it's like leaven and

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bread. It spreads. And when people aren't authentic,

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the message of Jesus would have been wiped out

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within a few years. And so God wanted to demonstrate

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how important this was. And I often thought later

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when I was a pastor, if God did that for like

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24 hours in the church all across America, all

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of us would have to turn in our pastor's badges

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and become morticians. Probably a lot of us pastors

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would need other pastors who are doing better

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than us to bury us. But do you get it? Do you

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really get that church, quote, was never ever

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intended to be a group of people that come to

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an event and feel like in some way they're...

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doing something morally positive because they

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come to an event and listen to someone talk about

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God and even sing a few worship songs to him

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and then file out and live life their own way

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and not be absolutely connected to one another

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and have a safe environment where the real you

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shows up. And you know why the real you doesn't

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show up? The same reason the real you doesn't

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show up in me. He says, let love be without hypocrisy.

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And then it says, cling to what is good. Hate

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what is evil. Literally, the word is abhor what

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is evil. It's that picture. I remember doing

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a word study on this, and it's a picture of being

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on vacation for like three or four weeks. Whoever

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gets that much time, but that's really hypothetical.

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But you've been out of town for a while, and

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there's a carton of milk or some fruit, and you

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open the carton of milk to smell it. And it's,

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oh, have you ever done that? And the smell is

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so bad you want to throw up. That's this word.

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It says abhor evil. Most of us are spending this...

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I wonder if this is wrong. How close can I get

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to sin without falling in? So people in counseling

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will ask me questions like, well, is this rating,

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this rating, or this rating in this movie? Do

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you think it's okay if I can do this? Or, you

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know, we're dating right now, and we're doing

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this, this, this, and this. Is that really sexual

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sin, or can we? Or, you know, we have so much

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money, and I want to know, is it the gross, or

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is it the net, or can I take a percentage? You

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know, it's kind of like how, instead of, what's

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it say? Cling to what is good. That's completely

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the wrong question. The issue isn't how close

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can I get to sin, quote, without sinning. It's

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how close can I get to God? How pure can I live?

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Because when you're pure, not perfect, pure,

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the real you can show up because you can be honest.

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And you know one of the most powerful and significant

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experiences you will ever have in your life is

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being in a small group of people that's really

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safe, that really love you, and you really love

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them. And the real you shows up. The real you

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that's making great progress. The real you with

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the frustrations and hurts and struggles. The

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real you with the real problems. And as you bring

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your struggles, you're not judged. You're loved.

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And the real you that needs help gets support.

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And the real you that needs accountability and

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as we all do an occasional kind of rebuke and

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you know, what were you thinking? You kind of

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violated our trust by that. See, that's a fundamental

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part of authentic community and a lot of people

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never have that. And so enormous amounts of energy,

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what we end up doing instead of allowing God

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to transform us, The energy is we have to do

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sin management. And so we're spending all this

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energy trying to either hide or deal with our

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guilt or deal with our shape or drown it out

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with food or work or money or shopping or speed.

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And so when the real you shows up, that's the

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beginning of authentic community. But it's beyond

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that. It meets real needs, not superficial or

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convenient ones. Authentic community doesn't

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happen when you do a little nice thing or a little

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nice thing here and it doesn't really cost you

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very much. Authentic community happens when the

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real you shows up. Notice it says devotion. Be

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devoted to one another in brotherly love. Humility.

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Giving preference to one another in honor. Real

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needs getting met always involves devotion on

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our part and humility. The word devotion here

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is strong. He's saying you need to be committed

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to one another and lay your lives down for one

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another like you would for blood relatives. I

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mean, for people that you feel this moral responsibility

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for. And he says, be devoted to one another how?

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In brotherly love. Philo Delphia. That's the

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word. We named a city in Pennsylvania by that.

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It's this commitment of family love, of being

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there for one another, of doing whatever it takes.

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I thought I knew what it meant to kind of be

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devoted and love. I was a new Christian and after

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probably, I guess it was about five, six years,

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I'd been coaching for a couple years after school

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and Teresa and I were married and we had two

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small kids at this time. And so, I mean, I was

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shocked, literally shocked that God called me

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into vocational ministry. I thought, I just can't

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imagine ever him being able to use someone like

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me. You know, I'm a teacher, I'm a basketball

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coach. I can't imagine being a... pastor, but

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he made it clear, so we went to school, and after

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about a year there, built some relationships.

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We stayed in a little apartment complex. Actually,

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it was a huge apartment complex, but it had like

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these apartment here, apartment here, apartment

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here, apartment here. They were little quad things,

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and so you really got to know the people. You

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shared one hallway. And I came home after school.

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It was in my first or second year, and Teresa's

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eyes were all red. I said, honey, man, what is

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going on? Are you okay? She goes, oh, I spent

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all afternoon with Pat, you know, right across

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the hall. I said, well, what's going on? She

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goes, well, her husband left her. I said, oh,

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you've got to be kidding. And they'd gotten really

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close. They had a little boy the same age as

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my little boys. They were all about five years

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old. And she goes, it's worse than that. Bank

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accounts are emptied. He left her. They have

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a like two or three week old newborn and she

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has no money. And we just prayed and cried. I

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thought, wow. So, you know, I'm thinking, my

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heart's really going out to her. So I'm thinking

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it's really spiritual. So, honey, you want to

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pray for her? She goes, well, actually we did

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that. But I've been thinking about it and we

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talked over dinner. She goes, I think we should,

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in two days her rent is due and they're going

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to kick her out if she doesn't have rent money.

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And I think we should pay for her rent. And my

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portfolio at this point is very easy to keep.

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I can keep it in my head. We don't have a savings

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account because there was no need. We had a checking

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account. And I made under $1 ,000 a month on

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straight commission as I went to school full

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time. So I said, honey, if we pay for Pat's rent,

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our rent is due in 10 days. And the moment we

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pay for her rent, we will have $10 in our checking

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account. She said, I know. Oh, you know, when

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you marry above yourself, it's really not very

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good at times, you know? And so it was like,

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you know what, okay. But you know what it was?

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It was being devoted isn't like, oh, I hope it

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goes well for her. I heard she had cancer. You

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know, that family's going through a rough time.

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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. No, no, it's

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like we're in this together. She's family. And

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so, you know, I'm figuring I'm probably going

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to have to learn how to be a pastor someday.

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Might as well start now. And so, okay, Lord,

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here it is. And we write the check. And by the

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way, it was not noble. I think people get this

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idea that when we take big steps for God, yes,

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God. Most of my really big steps are like, yes,

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God. You know, I don't really want to do this.

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I'm pretty. But okay, I'm gonna claim your promise,

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but my God will supply all my needs according

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to his riches and glory in Christ Jesus. You

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said I'd do that, and the context is giving,

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being generous, Philippians 4 .19. I'm standing

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on that passage. Our rent's due. No money. We

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have a three -day grace period. First day, grace

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period, no money. Second day, grace period, no

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money. Third day, hey, yo! Which part of this

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verse am I misinterpreting, or what's the deal?

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And that day in the mail, that day, an envelope

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came, you know, business side envelope. And in

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the left -hand corner, it had a football helmet

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that was green and yellow. And it was from Lombardi

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Avenue. I got a letter from someone from the

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Green Bay Packers. I was like, are you, you know,

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what is this? So I opened the letter and the

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letter says, hi, Chip, I'm sure you don't know

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me. I met you about six years ago or so. I was

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a senior in high school at the time, and you

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taught a Bible study in San Jose. And I later

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went on and played college football, and I was

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the first quarterback taken in the draft. And

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I'm playing for the Green Bay Packers now, and

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when you taught that Bible study, all I can tell

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you, I can't really remember what you said, but

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something happened that changed the spiritual

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trajectory of my life. and I've never forgotten

00:26:27.299 --> 00:26:29.660
it. And I've not thought of you for six years,

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but this is weird. Out of the blue, you came

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to my mind, and I'm supposed to send you this

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thousand dollars. I mean, it was just like, oh!

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You know what happened? I got to experience authentic

00:26:44.980 --> 00:26:48.779
community. This is how God works. This is normal.

00:26:49.549 --> 00:26:52.849
He puts people in your life that you have some

00:26:52.849 --> 00:26:55.750
more time than they have. You have money that

00:26:55.750 --> 00:26:57.849
they don't have. You have energy that they don't

00:26:57.849 --> 00:26:59.609
have. You have spiritual gifts that would help

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them that they don't have. And you don't nod

00:27:01.410 --> 00:27:02.970
and think, well, I went to church. I read the

00:27:02.970 --> 00:27:04.390
Bible. I went on a missions trip. You think,

00:27:04.390 --> 00:27:08.809
I'm a part of this community. And that need is

00:27:08.809 --> 00:27:11.650
a red light going off on my soul to love them.

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And I will tell you what, man, we got tight with

00:27:16.630 --> 00:27:18.450
Pat. I mean, it was like 20 years later, he got

00:27:18.450 --> 00:27:21.410
a postcard. Teresa, you know, I saw somewhere

00:27:21.410 --> 00:27:23.470
you and Chip and da -da -da. I just want, and

00:27:23.470 --> 00:27:26.490
you know, picture of her and her grown son and

00:27:26.490 --> 00:27:29.230
the little one. And you know, our hearts were

00:27:29.230 --> 00:27:33.849
connected to Pat. Why? Because wherever your

00:27:33.849 --> 00:27:36.930
treasure is, your heart follows it. And then

00:27:36.930 --> 00:27:39.009
I got to see that God also, that was the first

00:27:39.009 --> 00:27:41.369
of many lessons. I mean, that was, I mean, that

00:27:41.369 --> 00:27:44.990
was a like, ooh. And after that, in the last

00:27:44.990 --> 00:27:48.690
30 years, we've done that scores of times. Scores

00:27:48.690 --> 00:27:51.750
of times, never knowing for sure how God's apply.

00:27:52.150 --> 00:27:55.650
My testimony, he always does. And what we've

00:27:55.650 --> 00:27:58.369
experienced is God. See, at the end of the day,

00:27:58.410 --> 00:27:59.809
you know what most Christians don't know? God

00:27:59.809 --> 00:28:03.369
is real. He's not a philosophy. He's not a formula.

00:28:03.589 --> 00:28:07.089
He's not a moral code. Jesus is a person, and

00:28:07.089 --> 00:28:09.630
he's real, and he loves you, and he made promises,

00:28:09.829 --> 00:28:11.890
and he wants you to stand on him, and you take

00:28:11.890 --> 00:28:14.289
risks, which are called faith, and you love one

00:28:14.289 --> 00:28:17.220
another. And people get love through you and

00:28:17.220 --> 00:28:23.039
then he supplies. When the real you meets real

00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:25.880
needs through devotion and also through humility.

00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:28.559
Because at the end of the day, you know what?

00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:31.660
You have to think more of other people than yourself.

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Jot in the corner of your notes, Philippians

00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:36.680
chapter two, if you will, verse three and four.

00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:40.339
The apostle Paul says, I mean, think of how all

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encompassing this. Do nothing out of selfish

00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:48.059
ambition or vain conceit. But in humility, consider

00:28:48.059 --> 00:28:52.440
others as more important than yourself. Boy,

00:28:52.460 --> 00:28:54.440
would that change your small group. Would that

00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:58.779
change your family? Each of you should look not

00:28:58.779 --> 00:29:02.259
only for your own interests, but also the interests

00:29:02.259 --> 00:29:06.200
of others. In fact, he goes on to say, have this

00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:08.500
attitude in yourselves, which was also in Christ

00:29:08.500 --> 00:29:11.099
Jesus, that although he existed in the form of

00:29:11.099 --> 00:29:13.900
God, he didn't regard equality with God. a thing

00:29:13.900 --> 00:29:16.940
to be grasped, but he humbled himself, taking

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the form of a bondservant, becoming obedient

00:29:19.900 --> 00:29:26.440
even unto death. Humility. Humility is putting

00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:31.019
other people, giving preference where you lift

00:29:31.019 --> 00:29:33.900
them up. I've had the privilege of working with

00:29:33.900 --> 00:29:36.519
someone that's modeled this for me, and there's

00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:38.059
a number of people that do it, but I just have

00:29:38.059 --> 00:29:40.799
the longest history with a guy named Greg. He

00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.099
came out of the Silicon Valley, early days of

00:29:43.099 --> 00:29:45.759
Palm Pilot, later went to Cisco, project manager.

00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:49.319
Later was a volunteer over in Santa Cruz and

00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:52.000
had 40 or 50 volunteers, did light, sound, real

00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.200
super techie guy. When I went to walk through

00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:58.539
the Bible, he came with me and was just, he's

00:29:58.539 --> 00:30:02.079
just a manager of just tremendous ability. And

00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:03.619
then as Living on the Edge went out on its own,

00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:05.680
he ran all of Living on the Edge, the broadcasting,

00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:08.220
the money, the finances, the operation, everything.

00:30:09.150 --> 00:30:10.890
And we started to grow, and there was a guy that

00:30:10.890 --> 00:30:13.289
came along. He wrote a strategic plan for us,

00:30:13.349 --> 00:30:16.009
and he led a huge ministry in the United States.

00:30:16.569 --> 00:30:18.289
And I'll never forget, he met with me. He said,

00:30:18.410 --> 00:30:21.049
this is really exciting, and I think God's in

00:30:21.049 --> 00:30:23.950
it. I'd like to help you fulfill it. In a little

00:30:23.950 --> 00:30:26.930
humility, I said, well, I now know kind of what

00:30:26.930 --> 00:30:28.650
you've done in your life, and you now know all

00:30:28.650 --> 00:30:30.309
of our books. I could pay you maybe half of what

00:30:30.309 --> 00:30:32.809
you've ever made. This is an amazing downward

00:30:32.809 --> 00:30:37.309
mobility opportunity for you. And he looked at

00:30:37.309 --> 00:30:40.440
me and said, I'll take it. And Andrew came and

00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.579
in the next three and a half years, he tripled

00:30:42.579 --> 00:30:44.640
the size of everything that happened at Living

00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:47.579
on the Edge. But here was the interesting point.

00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:50.500
Greg is really good into the people and roles

00:30:50.500 --> 00:30:53.680
and personnel and HR and all that stuff. I'm

00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:58.160
not. And we sat down, the entire executive team

00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:01.500
of Living on the Edge, me and Greg. It's two

00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:05.579
of us, you know. And he said, if we hire Andrew,

00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:07.380
you need... to know something. I said, what's

00:31:07.380 --> 00:31:10.059
that? In about six months, he needs to lead the

00:31:10.059 --> 00:31:12.420
whole organization and I need to be just over

00:31:12.420 --> 00:31:15.279
broadcasting and just technology because his

00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:17.900
gifts and what he'll bring, he's far better.

00:31:18.259 --> 00:31:20.859
He will bring what I don't have and there's no

00:31:20.859 --> 00:31:22.720
way the ministry will be what God wants it to

00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:24.839
be unless he has that role. So I'm just telling

00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:27.700
you that, you know, he needs to become my boss.

00:31:29.099 --> 00:31:31.259
Now, when's the last time you ever worked or

00:31:31.259 --> 00:31:34.920
met anyone who had the power to hire someone,

00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:38.420
that when he hired them, he knew they will become

00:31:38.420 --> 00:31:41.119
greater, I will become lesser, he will have a

00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:44.059
higher role, make a higher income, and I will

00:31:44.059 --> 00:31:46.440
move down because I want to serve you, serve

00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:49.960
God, and the mission is what matters. You know

00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:54.579
what that's called? Giving preference. See, when

00:31:54.579 --> 00:31:56.700
you walk into a small group or when you walk

00:31:56.700 --> 00:31:59.200
into church or when you are in your family and

00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:00.980
sit around at the table, which I hope you do,

00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:04.039
All of us either have one or two sets of lenses

00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:06.519
on. One lens is who asked me a question? Who

00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:08.680
cares about me? Why didn't anyone give me a hug?

00:32:08.819 --> 00:32:10.680
How come everyone seems so happy and no one cared

00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:12.599
about me? I went to the small group and no one

00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:14.259
seemed to really listen, but I was telling my

00:32:14.259 --> 00:32:18.160
story. And I'm lonely and I need a friend and

00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:19.859
what about and what about? And that's one set

00:32:19.859 --> 00:32:22.880
of glasses. And other people go with a set of

00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.619
glasses that say, I've got needs and God knows

00:32:25.619 --> 00:32:28.170
what they are. but I wonder who he wants me to

00:32:28.170 --> 00:32:30.750
be a conduit of grace in this small group. Or

00:32:30.750 --> 00:32:32.829
when I get home from work, I'm absolutely tired.

00:32:32.970 --> 00:32:34.869
I don't want to talk about all that stuff I went

00:32:34.869 --> 00:32:37.009
through, but I bet my wife or my husband or some

00:32:37.009 --> 00:32:39.049
of my kids, they're going to need someone that's

00:32:39.049 --> 00:32:41.750
alive and caring, and I want to engage and find

00:32:41.750 --> 00:32:43.849
out how can I put them above myself? How do I

00:32:43.849 --> 00:32:46.470
give them preference? And here's the weird part.

00:32:46.529 --> 00:32:49.369
Those people who do that experience amazing joy,

00:32:49.569 --> 00:32:54.250
and people flock around them. Because Jesus said,

00:32:54.309 --> 00:32:56.130
give and it'll be given unto you, good measure,

00:32:56.210 --> 00:32:57.869
pressed down, shaken together, running over,

00:32:57.910 --> 00:33:00.089
back into your lap. For in the same measure that

00:33:00.089 --> 00:33:04.029
you give, and it may include money, but he wasn't

00:33:04.029 --> 00:33:06.650
talking about money. In the same measure that

00:33:06.650 --> 00:33:10.230
you give, it'll be given unto you, pressed down,

00:33:10.369 --> 00:33:14.569
shaken together, and running back. See, that

00:33:14.569 --> 00:33:18.119
spiritual ceiling, where we get stuck, is often

00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.400
the real you doesn't show up. And if the real

00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:22.259
you doesn't show up, often we're not meeting

00:33:22.259 --> 00:33:24.299
real needs. We're just meeting convenient or

00:33:24.299 --> 00:33:26.619
superficial needs. But then he says, not only

00:33:26.619 --> 00:33:29.579
does the real you and me need to show up and

00:33:29.579 --> 00:33:31.700
meet real needs, but he says, you need to do

00:33:31.700 --> 00:33:33.900
it for the right reason, not to please people.

00:33:37.220 --> 00:33:39.819
He says, not lagging behind in diligence, fervent

00:33:39.819 --> 00:33:44.599
in spirit, serving the Lord. not lagging behind

00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:46.960
in diligence. Literally, the word is slothfulness.

00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:49.559
The literal meaning of it is not being slow.

00:33:52.740 --> 00:33:55.380
Fervent in spirit is a picture of water coming

00:33:55.380 --> 00:33:58.000
to a boil. It has this idea of, you know, like

00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.180
when the bubbles come up right just before the,

00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:04.380
you know, when it's boiling. This energy, this

00:34:04.380 --> 00:34:08.039
passion, this focus, fervent in spirit. Not obligation,

00:34:08.139 --> 00:34:10.460
duty, I guess I gotta do this, gotta go to this

00:34:10.460 --> 00:34:13.630
group. So -and -so has a need. What do you think?

00:34:13.670 --> 00:34:15.690
I guess we ought to help him. Blah, blah, blah.

00:34:16.369 --> 00:34:19.110
That's not the picture. And notice the focus

00:34:19.110 --> 00:34:21.869
isn't what will I get or will people think better

00:34:21.869 --> 00:34:26.630
of me? I'm not going to be slow about the promptings

00:34:26.630 --> 00:34:29.030
that God gives me. I'm going to be filled with

00:34:29.030 --> 00:34:32.230
enthusiasm that comes from God and I'm going

00:34:32.230 --> 00:34:34.150
to do it not even just for them but to serve

00:34:34.150 --> 00:34:41.710
him. How many of you have ever been like talking

00:34:41.710 --> 00:34:43.610
with a close friend or been in a small group,

00:34:43.670 --> 00:34:46.329
especially a Bible study, and someone in the

00:34:46.329 --> 00:34:48.550
Bible study said, hey, would you all pray for

00:34:48.550 --> 00:34:51.230
me? I'm lazy and I need help with my laziness.

00:34:52.050 --> 00:34:55.750
Can I see those hands? See, most people, especially

00:34:55.750 --> 00:34:58.889
Americans, none of us think we're lazy. But part

00:34:58.889 --> 00:35:01.349
of it is we have a warped view of what laziness

00:35:01.349 --> 00:35:04.530
is. We think laziness are people who watch seven

00:35:04.530 --> 00:35:07.030
hours of TV, play four hours of video games,

00:35:07.150 --> 00:35:09.230
and eat chocolate bonbons on the couch for days

00:35:09.230 --> 00:35:14.539
on end. They're lazy. Biblical definition of

00:35:14.539 --> 00:35:17.099
laziness is not doing what needs to be done when

00:35:17.099 --> 00:35:20.980
it needs to be done. A lot of, we mask our laziness

00:35:20.980 --> 00:35:23.780
with good things. God speaks to your heart and

00:35:23.780 --> 00:35:25.800
he says, you need to apologize to so and so.

00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:28.000
And so you think, oh, wow, I think I'll go read

00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.500
a chapter in the Bible or pray. Guess what? It's

00:35:30.500 --> 00:35:32.179
not God's will to pray or read a chapter in the

00:35:32.179 --> 00:35:35.320
Bible when he says, go apologize to so and so.

00:35:36.710 --> 00:35:40.329
See, laziness is refusing to do what needs to

00:35:40.329 --> 00:35:43.690
be done when it needs to be done. And we have

00:35:43.690 --> 00:35:46.789
all kind of denial and avoidance. And he says,

00:35:46.889 --> 00:35:51.110
in your motives, don't be slothful. Be enthusiastic.

00:35:51.210 --> 00:35:53.869
Notice at the bottom of your notes, genuine service

00:35:53.869 --> 00:35:56.409
to God is characterized by diligence, excellence

00:35:56.409 --> 00:35:58.949
in what we do and how we do it, and enthusiasm,

00:35:59.369 --> 00:36:02.949
passion to serve God and love people, not please

00:36:02.949 --> 00:36:06.510
people or impress people. My dad was a... an

00:36:06.510 --> 00:36:09.610
alcoholic, a great guy in general, but just one

00:36:09.610 --> 00:36:11.809
of the roles in an alcoholic family is making

00:36:11.809 --> 00:36:15.309
peace and fixing things. Well, once I came to

00:36:15.309 --> 00:36:18.909
Christ, I didn't realize it. It took me a while

00:36:18.909 --> 00:36:20.789
to get going spiritually, and when I finally

00:36:20.789 --> 00:36:23.389
got going, what I found out was I was still trying

00:36:23.389 --> 00:36:25.809
to fix things and work out my dysfunctional issues

00:36:25.809 --> 00:36:28.809
now in the body of Christ. And what I found is

00:36:28.809 --> 00:36:30.650
this group of people who call themselves Christians,

00:36:30.750 --> 00:36:32.789
and I was genuinely transformed, and lots of

00:36:32.789 --> 00:36:34.710
great things were happening. But I found if you

00:36:34.710 --> 00:36:37.429
memorized a lot of verses, and you served people,

00:36:37.690 --> 00:36:39.769
and if you said the right things, and you just

00:36:39.769 --> 00:36:41.710
kind of went off the charts in your performance

00:36:41.710 --> 00:36:44.309
orientation to quote what looked like loving

00:36:44.309 --> 00:36:46.730
people, you got a lot of strokes and affirmation.

00:36:47.969 --> 00:36:52.250
And so after a slow start, I went nuts. I memorized

00:36:52.250 --> 00:36:55.400
hundreds of verses. I was in this Bible study,

00:36:55.500 --> 00:36:57.320
led this Bible study, was in this group, did

00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:00.539
this. I mean, I was just like a maniac. I was

00:37:00.539 --> 00:37:02.360
such a maniac that there was times I thought,

00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:07.019
I make myself sick. And I had this opportunity,

00:37:07.300 --> 00:37:09.099
you know, if you were a leader on this campus,

00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:11.239
you could go to this special thing in the summer

00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:13.820
that only a few people could go to and you memorize

00:37:13.820 --> 00:37:16.239
these verses and everyone would go to this city

00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:18.519
and you'd get a job and then there'd be, you

00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:21.920
know, like 100 or 200 and you'd be on teams of

00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:23.820
five. You would have a team leader and four people

00:37:23.820 --> 00:37:25.840
and, you know, they would help you grow and you

00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:27.960
got a job and you did evangelism. It was like

00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:31.659
a hot house for spiritual growth. And it was

00:37:31.659 --> 00:37:34.730
really, really beneficial. But this particular

00:37:34.730 --> 00:37:40.170
group had a very structured approach to sanctification

00:37:40.170 --> 00:37:43.809
or how you grow spiritually. And their approach

00:37:43.809 --> 00:37:47.889
combined with my warped personality and background

00:37:47.889 --> 00:37:52.670
was like the perfect storm to create a Pharisee.

00:37:53.650 --> 00:37:59.250
And so I really thought by the end of that summer,

00:37:59.869 --> 00:38:01.929
I mean, you need to do this, you need to do the

00:38:01.929 --> 00:38:03.630
Bible study, you need to share your faith, you

00:38:03.630 --> 00:38:05.849
need to do this. By the end of that Bible study,

00:38:06.090 --> 00:38:09.070
you go to the end and your team leader would

00:38:09.070 --> 00:38:11.190
meet with you individually and kind of give you

00:38:11.190 --> 00:38:13.329
an evaluation and say, as you go back to your

00:38:13.329 --> 00:38:16.210
campus, here's something to think about to really

00:38:16.210 --> 00:38:19.630
help you grow your campus ministry. And you know,

00:38:19.650 --> 00:38:20.969
some of the people were talking and they were

00:38:20.969 --> 00:38:22.630
a little uptight, like, wow, this might be very

00:38:22.630 --> 00:38:23.949
threatening. I'm thinking, this is going to be

00:38:23.949 --> 00:38:26.710
great. Because in my private world, I'm thinking,

00:38:26.750 --> 00:38:30.710
I'm more disciplined than anybody here. If they

00:38:30.710 --> 00:38:33.210
were going to give an all -star, most valuable

00:38:33.210 --> 00:38:40.090
Christian award. You know, so I'm supposed to

00:38:40.090 --> 00:38:41.829
have this meeting with John, my team leader,

00:38:41.949 --> 00:38:44.289
and I literally can't wait. I'm thinking, I'm

00:38:44.289 --> 00:38:46.309
finally going to get some pats on the back that

00:38:46.309 --> 00:38:48.949
I really deserve. And he's going to tell me just,

00:38:49.070 --> 00:38:52.929
you know, it's probably you, Hudson Taylor, Dawson

00:38:52.929 --> 00:38:55.510
Trotman, Martin Luther, you know. You and the

00:38:55.510 --> 00:38:56.989
boys are going to make a big impact someday.

00:38:57.130 --> 00:39:04.980
I mean. It was so sick. And let me pick up the

00:39:04.980 --> 00:39:06.699
story because it's too embarrassing to tell.

00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.519
John was quiet. He's my team leader and had a

00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:12.260
very understated approach to his leadership.

00:39:13.099 --> 00:39:14.980
I was honestly looking forward to the meeting

00:39:14.980 --> 00:39:17.179
and I secretly hoped that he'd notice the discipline

00:39:17.179 --> 00:39:19.420
and what I modeled for the other members of my

00:39:19.420 --> 00:39:21.480
team, the servanthood that I've demonstrated

00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:23.900
in our relationships and the knowledge and faith

00:39:23.900 --> 00:39:26.300
that were rapidly developing in my life. I'd

00:39:26.300 --> 00:39:28.460
worked hard and was ready for that good pat on

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the back. Our meeting didn't go as I expected.

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Although I was full of zeal and performed well

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throughout the summer, John's evaluation stunned

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me. His assessment of my spiritual growth was

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far different than my own. With very few words,

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he said he appreciated getting to know me throughout

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the summer and that God had revealed three verses

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on his heart that he wanted to share with me,

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handed me the note cards, Instead, I pray God

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really speaks to you as you go back to your campus.

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Anticlimactic. So I've got these three, three

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by five cards with verses that he had handwritten

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out. The first one said, for am I now seeking

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the favor of men or of God? Or am I striving

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to please men? If I was still trying to please

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men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.

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Galatians 1 .10. I thought, hmm, that's an interesting

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verse. Second verse. John 5, 44. How can you

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believe when you receive glory from one another

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and you do not seek the glory that is from the

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one and only God? There may be a message here.

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All doubt was removed by the last verse, Luke

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16, 15. And he said to them, you are those who

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justify yourselves in the sight of men, but God

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knows your heart. That which is highly esteemed

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among men. is detestable in the sight of God.

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See, the real you can show up and you can meet

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real needs and you can do it to serve you like

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I did. To get affirmation, to get strokes, to

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play a game inside the Christian community where

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you appear loving. But what you really do is

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you end up using all the verses that you know

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and all the good deeds that you have to create

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a little world where you just send a different

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hologram of a fake and phony person that's working

00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:33.079
out your own dysfunctions to get people to accept

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you rather than say, I am accepted in Jesus.

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And the acid test of your motives is always when

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you get treated like a servant. when no one notices,

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when they don't say thank you, when you're not

00:41:44.900 --> 00:41:48.039
rewarded, when you feel like, you know, the only

00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:50.219
one that sees what I'm doing is God. The only

00:41:50.219 --> 00:41:52.960
one that seems to really care is God. And in

00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.460
your heart of hearts, if you can say, oh yeah,

00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:58.119
that's right, I'm serving an audience of one.

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People's response, people's strokes, people's

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affirmation, God, when it comes or if it doesn't

00:42:05.619 --> 00:42:10.380
come, that's not why I do what I do. It's the

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real you meeting real needs for the right reason.

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And finally, it's in the right way. Authentic

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community is always going to be played out in

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the context of pain and difficulty and challenge.

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In a fallen world, it's really, really hard to

00:42:30.900 --> 00:42:33.440
make the time for authentic community. It's really

00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:36.599
hard to be honest when you're bombarded. And

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so in the right way is not in your own strength.

00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:42.000
Not in what you can do. Not in the power of your

00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.679
personality. Not as Jesus is some sort of ideal

00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:46.960
model. I'm going to work hard and I can love

00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:49.119
people and I can be real and I can do this and

00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:52.079
this is how much money I have. No, no, no. He

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says your focus, the right way, is there's an

00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:57.599
upward focus and there's an outward focus. And

00:42:57.599 --> 00:42:59.739
it says you need to rejoice in hope. That's a

00:42:59.739 --> 00:43:02.519
mindset. Not rejoice in circumstances or people's

00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:05.480
response. He says what do you need to do? Persevere

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in tribulation. In other words, in the midst

00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:11.579
of when it's difficult, you refuse to give up

00:43:11.579 --> 00:43:13.500
because you're going to do life with this group

00:43:13.500 --> 00:43:15.980
of people and it's hard and everything in you

00:43:15.980 --> 00:43:19.539
wants to give up. But you refuse to. And you're

00:43:19.539 --> 00:43:21.519
going to help people make it through. And your

00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:25.679
resource is going to be devoted to prayer. You're

00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:28.519
going to have multiple times where... I don't

00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:30.920
know how I'm going to pay my rent. I don't know

00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:32.780
how I'm going to solve this problem. I don't

00:43:32.780 --> 00:43:34.780
know how I'm going to heal this marriage. I don't

00:43:34.780 --> 00:43:37.559
know how I can break this addiction. But God,

00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:42.159
I'm asking for your help. And I'm going to share

00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:45.199
my life openly and in authenticity with a group

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of people that are safe. And we're going to go

00:43:47.219 --> 00:43:49.909
through this together. And there's an upward

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focus. It's not your resources. The spirit that

00:43:53.030 --> 00:43:57.349
raised Jesus from the dead dwells in every child

00:43:57.349 --> 00:44:00.670
of God. You have all the power you'll ever need.

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But that power gets accessed through his word

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and through the community of God's people and

00:44:06.849 --> 00:44:12.150
that power gets accessed as you pray. One of

00:44:12.150 --> 00:44:14.690
the greatest evidences of genuine humility and

00:44:14.690 --> 00:44:21.610
dependency is your prayer life. And I've been

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there. You know what? When your life basically

00:44:23.170 --> 00:44:26.070
is like you get up, you grab a cup of coffee,

00:44:26.170 --> 00:44:28.750
you get in the car, you run, you're going, there's

00:44:28.750 --> 00:44:30.210
a big meeting, got to do this with your kids,

00:44:30.230 --> 00:44:32.409
got to make a big decision, and you do all that,

00:44:32.429 --> 00:44:35.329
and you're not on your knees saying, God, I don't

00:44:35.329 --> 00:44:37.750
know what to do. God, I don't have the wisdom.

00:44:37.909 --> 00:44:39.829
God, I don't know how to do this with one of

00:44:39.829 --> 00:44:44.250
my kids. God, I need, please. When you're not

00:44:44.250 --> 00:44:46.670
doing that, what you're saying to God is, I know

00:44:46.670 --> 00:44:48.929
you created the world. I know you're all wise.

00:44:49.130 --> 00:44:51.510
I know you know everything that's happening today,

00:44:51.590 --> 00:44:53.869
tomorrow, and forever, but I really don't need

00:44:53.869 --> 00:44:58.889
that kind of help. I think that's the definition

00:44:58.889 --> 00:45:02.389
of arrogance, isn't it? Our prayerlessness basically

00:45:02.389 --> 00:45:05.829
says, I got this one. You just keep that world

00:45:05.829 --> 00:45:10.090
spinning. I'll handle this one. And God is opposed

00:45:10.090 --> 00:45:16.500
to the proud. Gives grace to the humble. That's

00:45:16.500 --> 00:45:19.739
tapping his supernatural resources. And so there's

00:45:19.739 --> 00:45:22.380
an upward focus and then it's followed by an

00:45:22.380 --> 00:45:25.699
outward focus. An outward focus says, notice

00:45:25.699 --> 00:45:28.139
what it says. It says, contributing to the needs

00:45:28.139 --> 00:45:30.480
of the saints, practicing or pursuing hospitality.

00:45:31.699 --> 00:45:35.280
It's where he says, there's an outward focus.

00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:37.820
The resources are, there's times where God's

00:45:37.820 --> 00:45:40.219
gonna ask you to contribute. The real meaning

00:45:40.219 --> 00:45:43.570
of contribute is contribute. Like, give money

00:45:43.570 --> 00:45:48.829
away to people in need. Give time away. Give

00:45:48.829 --> 00:45:51.469
things away to someone that doesn't have what

00:45:51.469 --> 00:45:53.269
you have that's a brother or sister in Christ.

00:45:54.090 --> 00:45:55.750
Contribute to the needs of the saints, fellow

00:45:55.750 --> 00:46:01.389
believers. And when you do, it's like, what about

00:46:01.389 --> 00:46:07.050
me? God says, I got that one covered. And then

00:46:07.050 --> 00:46:09.510
it says, pursuing hospitality. Literally, the

00:46:09.510 --> 00:46:13.380
phrase is pursuing strangers. So you can get

00:46:13.380 --> 00:46:15.139
into authentic community. I think this is added

00:46:15.139 --> 00:46:16.760
at the very end for a very important reason.

00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:19.840
It can be us for and no more. We got the greatest

00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.059
Bible study. We're really close. We're so authentic.

00:46:22.179 --> 00:46:23.960
We're open. We can share anything. We're super

00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:25.659
supportive. We've been doing this for 25 years

00:46:25.659 --> 00:46:33.260
with just us. Wow. Goody for you. I wonder if

00:46:33.260 --> 00:46:34.579
there's anybody else in the church that might

00:46:34.579 --> 00:46:36.539
have needed this in the last 24 or five years.

00:46:37.869 --> 00:46:39.750
Who are the people that are unlovely? Who are

00:46:39.750 --> 00:46:41.769
the people that are lonely? Who are the people

00:46:41.769 --> 00:46:44.570
that need you to pursue and open your home and

00:46:44.570 --> 00:46:47.489
open your heart and invite them to a meal? Who

00:46:47.489 --> 00:46:51.389
are the people that need you to be the presence

00:46:51.389 --> 00:46:57.429
of Jesus? See, this is what breaks the ceiling.

00:46:57.630 --> 00:47:01.489
This is how you get unstuck. The seed of God's

00:47:01.489 --> 00:47:04.809
word in a good and honest heart, the soil, in

00:47:04.809 --> 00:47:07.840
the environment of authentic community. The real

00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:09.960
you, meaning real needs for the right reason

00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:13.159
and the right way, is where supernatural transformation

00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:16.940
occurs. It mattered so much to Jesus. Notice

00:47:16.940 --> 00:47:19.840
how he closed his last prayer recorded in scripture.

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He says, my prayer, Father, is not for them alone,

00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:25.420
his disciples. I pray also for those that will

00:47:25.420 --> 00:47:27.400
believe in me through their message, that's us.

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That all of them, notice, may be one, Father,

00:47:30.619 --> 00:47:34.079
just as you are in me and I am in you, may they

00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:39.440
also be in us. The Trinity has authentic community.

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And Jesus is praying to the Father that we could

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experience what they experience and then we could

00:47:45.139 --> 00:47:48.019
experience with them. And then look at the purpose

00:47:48.019 --> 00:47:51.219
clause, so that. This is why this is so important.

00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:58.340
So that they may believe you sent me. The greatest

00:47:58.340 --> 00:48:01.329
apologetic on the face of the earth. is when

00:48:01.329 --> 00:48:04.530
you love authentically brothers and sisters with

00:48:04.530 --> 00:48:06.210
the real you meeting real needs for the right

00:48:06.210 --> 00:48:09.590
reason in the right way, those outside of Christ

00:48:09.590 --> 00:48:13.090
will understand and believe that Jesus could

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