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This is the Chip Ingram Sermon Podcast, brought

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to you by Living on the Edge. In this podcast,

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you'll hear Chip's teaching unedited and from

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beginning to end. Well, now here's Chip Ingram

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with today's message titled, Forgiving, How to

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Restore Your Peace. As we get started, I'm going

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to ask you to answer a question, not out loud

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for sure on this one. But I want you to think

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honestly and very deeply, what is something in

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your past or in your present that you're ashamed

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of? Something you'd rather no one know about

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or ever find out about, or at best, maybe the

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closest, most trusted friend in the world, but

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no one else. Something that would embarrass you

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if others found out about it. Something that

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if you thought someone, even your mate, might

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know this, that they would have a lesser opinion

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of you. We all have some things like that. And

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we spend an inordinate amount of energy kind

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of putting them in boxes and categorizing them

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and pushing them down and denying them. pretending

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they're not there. And then in certain times,

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in certain ways, boy, they come rushing back

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over us. It's called shame. Shame is a painful

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feeling of humiliation or distress caused by

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the consciousness of wrong or foolish behavior,

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or listen carefully, or regrettable, unfortunate

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situation or action. My father was In his 80s

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and still having nightmares from Guam and Iwo

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Jima. He talked about his closest brothers falling

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on his right and his left. He was 16 and a half

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when he went in. But he was an athlete and he

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was strong. Mom signed for him because that's

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what you do. You defend your country. So they

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gave him a .50 caliber machine gun. And on the

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islands at that season, it was better to die

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than to go home in shame. And he said, we would

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dig a trench, a big arc, 75, sometimes 100 yards.

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And the Japanese would rush us. And it was like

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I mowed grass all day. And I killed thousands

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and thousands and thousands and thousands of

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people. He got hit. It's the only reason he made

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it out. But he made it out and those he loved

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and those who had his back didn't. He lived with

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the guilt of a just war, but it can be a just

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war, but when you kill people and you're not

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made to kill people, it does something to you

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that people don't understand. And when you have

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the guilt that why did I get to come home and

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others didn't, it does something to you that's

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hard to express. So he, Found he felt a little

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bit better by his numbing of choice. But he had

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unresolved angers. He had fears. He came to know

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Jesus Christ in his mid to late 50s. He began

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to renew his mind. But he never got those things

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out in the open. Never fully dealt with them.

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And lived with nightmares. until the last years

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that he died. He had a combination of guilt and

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shame and confusion. It's not a surprise that

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he didn't ever tell me or any of his children

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that he loved them. He couldn't verbalize it.

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He had a hard time expressing that. See, you

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can't give away something you don't have. Did

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he love me? Of course. Were there actions that

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he showed me? Yes. In fact, All of his desire

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to want me to be successful was him expressing

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love. But the way it got translated was no matter

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what I did, it just needed to be a little bit

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better. You know, four A's and a B. Let's work

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on the B. You went two for four? Hey, you know,

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inside pitch curveball, you can't step out. That's

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why you ground out. You know, so no matter what,

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it was always. But it was his wound. We have

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shame for three major reasons, according to the

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experts. One is a theological reason. We all

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have shame. The fall. Remember, after sin, what

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did Adam do? What did Adam and Eve do? They hid.

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And we've been all hiding ever since. You don't

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have to go to war to hide from your shame. When

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you're naked, and I don't mean just physically,

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I mean when you're naked and you see who you

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really are or anyone else sees who you really

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are, not what we portray, not how we act, not

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how we cover it, not our sophistication and all

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of our defense mechanisms, but the real you,

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the parts of you that you know are not right,

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you hide. But it gets worse because it's not

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just shame that we inherit from the fall, but

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it's shame from things done to us. And isn't

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it a weird thing? Over and over and over, you

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can tell kids forever that, oh, it's not your

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fault. Kids who go through divorce blame themselves.

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Women and children that are abused blame themselves.

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People that are rejected unfairly have shame.

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And then there's the third level of shame. It's

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things that we do. The affair. The addiction,

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the explosive anger, the cheating. When you're

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the abuser, crime, jail, prison, the abortion,

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the list can go on. Some of you have found yourselves

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in places and doing things that you hope no one,

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you can't stand to look at it, let alone the

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thought of anybody else. And so the response

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of this fundamental imprint on your soul that

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you don't measure up, that there's something

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wrong with you, that you're deficient, that you're

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flawed, that you're damaged, that you're unacceptable,

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that you're unlovable, that you're dirty, that

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you're rejected, that you're inferior, that you're

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broken, and in times in your worst moment where

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you feel like you're disgusting, there's about

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three natural responses. Response number one

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is to hide. Response number two is to numb the

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pain. And it can be alcohol, porn, multiple partners,

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prescription drugs, work, ministry. And the other

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is to compensate. I'll prove to myself and to

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others somehow. And it can come out in workaholism

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or some way that you're going to prove and somehow

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balance the scales and do good for all the things

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that are hidden inside. It's interesting. Some

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of the questions, here's a question. Why do I

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clam up when things go wrong, sometimes for weeks,

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and ignore her and all the problems? Why? It's

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because of shame. Just bury it. You're frozen.

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You're paralyzed. And yet, here's what I want

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to tell you. It's one thing to be forgiven, and

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I think most of you, I pray all of you, have

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come to the point where whatever you've done

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and whatever you've recognized, you've come to

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a living God and said, I know I don't measure

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up. I want to trust fully in what Christ did

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on the cross for me, and he paid for my sin,

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and I've received that free gift, and I've invited

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him into my life. But there's a difference between

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being forgiven and being restored. There's a

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lot of people who have been legally forgiven.

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Your sins are forgiven, but you live as a second

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class citizen or you're numbing yourself or you

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have big walls between you and your mate and

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other people. There was just something about

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my dad that you could get so close and then it

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was just, that was it. Intimacy was just, couldn't

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do it. That was probably my, mid to late 30s.

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I kept what longed for, the equivalent of my

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dad to put his arm around me. And I finally came

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to the conclusion that something happened in

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the war and he got a compound fracture and they

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put it in a cast. And that's what he had. He

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just couldn't do it. He was unable to literally

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give love because he never addressed that. And

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you know what? He never knew how. Can I tell

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you, this isn't something that's just modern.

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Or the shame of people that have been abused

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or people that have abused others or all the

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rest. At the heart is a sense of betrayal where

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you have betrayed someone or you've betrayed

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your conscience or you've betrayed God. And it's

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not an accident that when you read John chapter

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21, Peter shortly, the day of the resurrection,

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Jesus did a quick one -on -one with him. And

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he walked in a room with Peter and the disciples

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there. And I'm sure he looked Peter in the eye.

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Yes, you betrayed me. You did it publicly. You

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were arrogant. And I think he got forgiveness,

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but he didn't get restoration. He had this, oh,

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I understand this up here, but my life's a mess.

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I don't know what to do with my life. I don't

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think I've got anything going for me anymore.

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His shame was never dealt with. And then John,

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Chapter 21. Jesus sets up a unique situation

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to help Peter go from being simply forgiven to

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be restored. Because here's the thing. You can't

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forgive and connect with other people unless

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you forgive and get restored yourself. So open

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your Bibles to John chapter 21. And as you do,

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let me give you the context. Jesus has appeared

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now twice officially to all the disciples. They

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were commanded to go wait for him in Galilee.

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Think about it. It's familiar. It's safe. It's

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the home to a number of the disciples. It's where

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many of them were called. It's where they were

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called into ministry to follow Jesus. Peter,

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like many of us, is not very good at waiting.

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We know from Luke 24 that he's had an encounter

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with Jesus, and I can't imagine Jesus not forgiving

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him in that moment. But he's still the leader

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because he decides that, you know what, I don't

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know what to do with my life, so this is what

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we all do. I'm going to default back to what

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I know. Under pressure, we all default back to

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where we're comfortable and what we know. So

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he basically says, I'm going to go fishing. And

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the six other guys, well, if you're going, I

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guess we'll go with you. We pick up the story,

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John 21. Afterward, Jesus appeared again to his

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disciples by the Sea of Tiberias. That's Galilee.

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It happened in this way. Simon Peter, Thomas,

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called Didymus, Nathaniel from Cana in Galilee,

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the sons of Zebedee, James and John, and two

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other disciples were together. I'm going to go

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out and fish, Simon Peter told them. And they

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said, we'll go with you. So they went out and

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got into the boat, but that night they caught

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nothing. Early in the morning, Jesus stood on

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the shore, but the disciples did not realize

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that it was him. He called out to them, friends,

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have you any fish? Literally the word is lads

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or children. It's a term of affection by someone

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a bit older and a bit wiser. No, they answered.

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He said, throw your net on the right side of

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the boat and you will find nothing. When they

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did, they were unable to haul in the net because

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of the large number of fish. Then the disciple

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whom Jesus loved, John, said to Peter, It is

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the Lord. And as soon as Peter heard him say,

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It is the Lord, he wrapped his outer garment

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around him, for he had taken it off, and he jumped

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into the water. And the other disciples followed

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in the boat, pulling the full net of fish. For

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they were not far from the shore, about 100 yards.

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When they landed, they saw a fire of burning

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coals with fish on it and some bread. Jesus said

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to them, bring some of the fish that you've caught.

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Simon Peter climbed aboard and dragged the net

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ashore. It was full of large fish, 153. But even

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with so many, the net did not break. Jesus said

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to them, come, have breakfast. None of the disciples

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dared to ask him, who are you? For they knew

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it was the Lord. Jesus came, took the bread,

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gave it to them, did the same with the fish.

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This is now the third time Jesus appeared to

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his disciples after he'd been raised from the

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dead. Now notice, first of all, Peter has gone

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back to where he's comfortable, dealing with

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life the only way he knows how. Jesus picks an

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opportune time and he's going to have a conversation.

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Notice the conversation doesn't start with, hey,

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let's go deep right now. Does anybody remember

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when Peter was called, the experience that he

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had as a fisherman? Remember he's sitting out

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on that boat and Jesus used his boat to preach

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a message. And after he preaches the message,

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remember last time he had fished all night and

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got nothing? And it was a time when you shouldn't

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catch fish. And he said, just go out a little

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bit and lower your net. Do you remember what

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happened? It was overwhelmed, full with fish.

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You think this is lost on Peter? This is like,

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I've seen this movie before. This is when Jesus

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called me to follow him. And then he pulled it.

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And then remember what he did? He left his nets

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and he followed him. Think it's an accident that

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he's saying, Peter, unless you go back and relive.

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part of the journey of when I called you and

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who you were, then you're not going to be able

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to reassess this new journey. So he does the

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same thing. What's the message there? Hey, I

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understand that Peter, and I understand the Peter

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who betrayed me. And by the way, he didn't just,

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this isn't a little betrayal. I mean, I think

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in our culture, we think sexual sin is the worst

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thing in the world. Betrayal is by far, far worse

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than sexual sin. In fact, at the heart of sexual

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sin, if you do it against your mate, it's not

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the act of sexuality. It's the betrayal, isn't

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it? It's the breaking of the covenant. It's the

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dissing of the person. It's breaking the bond.

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And it's not like Peter was just like, oh, you

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know, I kind of don't know him. By the third

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time, you know, the text is a little light. It's

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blankety, blank, blank. I don't know that blank,

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blank. That's what he said. He's cussing. He's

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denying. I don't know him at all. And then Jesus

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looks over. Remember, this is the guy in front

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of his buddies. Hey, they all might desert you,

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not me. Peter, I tell you, and Jesus predicted

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it. I'm better, I'm stronger. I got your back,

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Jesus. If I have to die, I'll die. I mean, he

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had, right? It's one thing to betray someone.

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It's a lot worse when you've been the one to

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puff your chest out and say, everyone else might

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betray you, but not me. And then you're the one

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that goes down. Then do you remember where he

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was when he betrayed Jesus? Remember, the text

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says there was a, not just a fire, but a special

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kind of fire. Notice the text talks about the

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coals again. You know, when he was warming his

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hands and that little servant girl asked him,

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can you imagine? You know, some of us have done

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some things we're not proud of. And, you know,

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you can almost smell where you were and you can

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remember certain things. There's an imprint,

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like a little movie that's in your mind. And

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Jesus is recreating. He's forcing him to go back

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and face and engage where he'd been before, where

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the pain was. Except instead of betrayal, what's

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he doing? Come and have breakfast. I'm for you.

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All the fear, all the arms crossed, all the sense

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of shame, you don't measure up, you're a loser,

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how could you betray me? It's not that, it's

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let's eat some fish. It's conversation. And do

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you remember, he did it in front of people, right?

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He boasted in front of the disciples. Do you

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understand what he's recreating here? You know,

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now psychologists and people who do work with

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PTSD and all this, they talk about the painful,

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dramatic necessity of going back through part

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of what you've been through and experiencing

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the grace of God in the reliving of some of those

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moments. And long before they were experts or

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psychologists, Jesus is walking him back through

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the very journey, but this time it's with grace.

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This time it's with, I understand. This time,

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yes, you're fallen. Yes, you betrayed me. And

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yes, I love you. And it doesn't define you. But

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he doesn't stop there. Because it's not enough

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to relive the experience. Psychologists can do

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that with us. Only God can do what happens next.

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When they finished eating, notice, It's a special

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time. It's a special place. It's recreated. Can

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you imagine? Some of you don't have to imagine,

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but can you imagine what's going on in Peter's

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mind? I mean, he's reliving his calling. He's

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reliving his betrayal. He's being treated in

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a way that just is, it just, it's so foreign.

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It's so unnatural. It's so what he doesn't deserve.

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He's experiencing love and communication. And

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then when they finished eating, Jesus said to

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Peter, Simon, son of John, do you truly love

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me more than these? Yes, Lord, he said, you know

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I love you. Feed my lambs. Again, Jesus said,

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Simon, son of John, do you truly love me? And

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he answered, yes, Lord, you know I love you.

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And Jesus said, you know, take care of my sheep.

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The third time he said to him, Simon, son of

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John, do you love me? And Peter was hurt because

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he asked him a third time, do you love me? And

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he said, Lord, you know all things. You know

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that I love you. And Jesus said, feed my sheep.

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And then he goes on to tell him, I tell you the

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truth, that when you were younger, you dressed

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yourself, you went where you wanted, but when

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you were old, you will stretch out your hands

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and someone else will dress you and lead you

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where you do not want to go. And Jesus said this

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to indicate the kind of death in which Peter

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would glorify God. Then don't miss the next line.

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Then he said to him, follow me. Remember the

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last time he said, follow me? Peter, you're back

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on the team. Peter, you're not just forgiven.

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I have a purpose for you. You can't wallow in

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your betrayal. You just can't live with the nightmares.

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You can't make a little compartment and somehow

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go back to fishing and just try and be a nice

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person. I called you. You messed up. This was

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traumatic. It was difficult. We're going to relive

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it. We're going to go back in the past. And then

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how many times did he deny him? How many questions

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does he get? I mean, you think it's accidental?

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Now, scholars will tell you, and many of you

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probably heard messages, it's interesting. The

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first two times he says, do you agape me? Do

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you agape me? Unconditional, I mean, full court

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press, love me unconditionally. And Peter answers,

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you know the facts. I love you. Do you love me?

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And you know, the way you claim to be agape?

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Peter answers, you know the facts. And finally,

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Jesus changes it. Do you phileo me? Do you love

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me like family? You know, when you love like

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family, you mess up in families, don't you? Families

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are where it's safe to mess up. Families are

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where we accept that one another are human. He

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says, do you love me like a brother? And like

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brothers and sisters and families, we're going

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to give it our best shot, and there's going to

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be times where we let one another down. But when

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we do as families, you come and you own your

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stuff, and you say, I'm so sorry, and it's not

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an end to it. And Peter, interestingly, changes.

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And he says, you know, Gnosko, you know by way

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of experience. You look into my heart. You know

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my journey. And he said, he started first with,

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well, feed my lambs. There's a little responsibility

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you could take. I want you to be, are you ready?

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I want you to be tender with, what's a lamb?

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It's vulnerable. Peter, I want you, you know,

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remember Peter is, you know, he's the, hey, everyone

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else will, but I'm, remember, I'll walk out on

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the water. I mean, this is the fiery type A,

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I can make it happen. And he's broken. And so

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his first assignment is, I want you, because

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of what you've now experienced, I want you to

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be vulnerable and tender with people that are

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vulnerable, lambs. I want you to feed them. Second

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time, I want you to take care of my sheep. It's

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leadership. I want you to be responsible. And

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then finally, I want you to feed my sheep. I

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want you to be the kind of leader that I called

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you in the very beginning and that these six

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men that are around this fire are looking you

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to be. And I want you to follow me with your

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head up. Because you're not only forgiven, you're

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restored. And that broken betrayer had to relive

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his moment, the worst moment of his life. But

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he received both truth and grace. And it brought

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healing inside. And that's what some of you need.

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Because if you don't, that wall, you get so used

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to it, but your wife or your husband, they feel

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it. They're like, they keep trying to knock on

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the outside and get in and get in and get in.

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And you're almost oblivious. You won't let them

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in. And you won't let them in because maybe you've

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accepted God's forgiveness, but you just feel

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like this imprint, this shame, this picture,

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this experience, it defines you. It doesn't.

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You've got to go back through that, and you've

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got to do it in the presence of Jesus. Notice

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in your notes the principles. Three principles

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flow out of this passage for us. The first one

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is Jesus meets us where we are. And the unspoken

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lie is somehow if you can be or do or have something

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different, then God will accept you somehow,

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some way. I don't know where you're at. I don't

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know how broken, how much denial. I don't know

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how numb. I don't know how you're compensating.

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But Jesus says, I want to meet you today just

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right where you're at. Second thing that comes

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out of this passage is he gently demands that

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we face the truth about ourselves. Did you notice?

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I mean, he was as gentle and he had a meal and

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he reminded him. But did you notice? It wasn't

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words of condemnation. They were questions of

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discovery. Do you love me? I mean, you said you

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did before, right? Do you love me? He kept asking

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questions, so Peter had to go from denial to

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well to yes to, you know what, I'm going to own

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this happened in my life. And he faced it. I

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had a conversation last night with a person that

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has walled off in his words. He goes, I don't

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feel anything. I'm numb, and he told me. about

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his life and why, and I just said, I can completely

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understand why you're numb. The wife just feels

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like she's just, I mean, huge wall, can't get

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in. But I told him, because I could tell he was

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stuck, and I didn't know what to say. I said,

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you know what? You need to keep going to that

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counselor, but you need to invite your wife in.

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I would never want her to hear any of the kind

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of things that I saw or I went through. And I

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said, you know, maybe I'll let her decide that.

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But you know what she's feeling? She's feeling

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like she can't get in your life. And maybe you

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say, I'm going to invite you to go to the counselor,

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but I'm going to share some things that are pretty

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graphic. They're the source of my nightmares.

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They're the source of my guilt. They're the source

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of my shame. And you can leave any time, but

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I don't want to continue to try and work this

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out just by myself. And I ask him, I call it

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the Dr. Phil question, because he had lots of

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good reasons why he wouldn't want to share those

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things, just like my dad had lots of good reasons

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why he rarely, if ever, except for twice, shared

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those things. And I just ask him, well, how's

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that working for you? How's that working for

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you? How's that working for your marriage? How's

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that working for your wife? Now, please, I'm

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not trying to say by any sense of authority other

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than what I can tell you after pastoring people

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for about 35 years is that if you stay numb,

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if you keep compensating for it, Or if you keep

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denying and blaming, your soul is going to die

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and you will ruin every relationship that matters.

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So as painful and as ugly and as difficult as

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it is to engage and allow God to help you see

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both the truth but in the context of grace, that's

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where healing's gonna come. This man, changed

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the course of all history. And he sinned more

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greatly against our God than anyone. Because

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part of the culpability of sin is the amount

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of truth and the knowledge that you have. No

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one saw more miracles than Peter. No one had

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more private conversations. No one saw more people

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raised from the dead. No one saw the amount of

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transfiguration. He betrayed, but he betrayed

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and he had a level of knowledge. The most horrendous

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sin against the Son of Man was committed by Peter,

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save possibly Judas. And God made him live it

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again and not only forgive him, but restore him.

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And then in that brokenness, I'm guessing conversations

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that you'd have with Peter when you were struggling

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with something after this event and for the next

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several decades, I bet he was a pretty tender

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guy. I bet he was a pretty understanding guy.

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I bet he was a pretty compassionate guy. I bet

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he was a way, way more humble guy. And I'm imagining

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there was a church that was built around his

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vision and passion to the Jews like Paul was

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to the Gentiles that changed the course of the

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world because he didn't just get forgiven. He

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got restored. The third principle that comes

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out of this is that he affirms, Jesus affirms

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our value and our worthiness by commissioning

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us to service. It's one thing to hear words.

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It's, I want to use you. He wants to use you.

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your horrendous difficulty, experience, betrayal,

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sin, a lie that you committed, a crime that no

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one knows about. I always wish sometimes, especially

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in church, when people, you know, they look so

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cleaned up on the outside, you know? And I get

00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:45.180
to know them all through the week and I would

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just love like their top five sins without their

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names, like have this huge board behind me and

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like, and all of our sins go up in multi -colors.

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Wouldn't that be cool? And then maybe have, you

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know how they do those visuals where maybe like

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red would come over and it would be the blood

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of Christ and the cross would emerge and it would

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just go down through and cover them. And then

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we would look at each other and say, I guess

00:31:13.140 --> 00:31:16.539
we don't have to pretend anymore. I guess we

00:31:16.539 --> 00:31:19.779
can just be ourselves. I guess we're all now

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saints, children of God. forgiven with wounds

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and scars and pain and difficulty and brokenness?

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And what if God actually causes his power to

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be perfected out of our brokenness and out of

00:31:36.190 --> 00:31:39.670
our hurt and out of our failure? Because that's

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where he takes us and puts us on the mantle of

00:31:42.750 --> 00:31:48.630
his grace. Practical implications, and this gets

00:31:48.630 --> 00:31:52.410
to your marriage. is that you can't forgive your

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mate until you've received both forgiveness and

00:31:55.490 --> 00:31:59.430
restoration. There's something I don't know about

00:31:59.430 --> 00:32:02.289
the human psyche. When you got unresolved issues

00:32:02.289 --> 00:32:07.609
in you, when it's, you know, the classic parable,

00:32:07.650 --> 00:32:10.390
you know, the log in your eye, the speck, right?

00:32:11.049 --> 00:32:13.730
Man, it is amazing. When we have stuff inside,

00:32:14.589 --> 00:32:17.349
It is so easy to see in someone else. And the

00:32:17.349 --> 00:32:19.369
person that lives close to you, right? You nag

00:32:19.369 --> 00:32:22.390
and she does that and he does that and he's like

00:32:22.390 --> 00:32:25.230
that. A lot of our anger and a lot of that outward

00:32:25.230 --> 00:32:27.890
focus is because of the big log that we don't

00:32:27.890 --> 00:32:30.970
deal with. And you would be shocked at what would

00:32:30.970 --> 00:32:34.009
happen if you received both God's forgiveness

00:32:34.009 --> 00:32:37.410
and his restoration of how that would allow you.

00:32:37.470 --> 00:32:40.430
Remember what Jesus said to the disciples? Freely

00:32:40.430 --> 00:32:44.950
you've received, freely give. But see, if you

00:32:44.950 --> 00:32:47.589
haven't deeply and fully received, you're pretty

00:32:47.589 --> 00:32:51.130
judgmental. You're pretty high on the truth and

00:32:51.130 --> 00:32:54.430
the judgmental instead of the mercy. I don't

00:32:54.430 --> 00:32:56.769
know if you pray the Lord's Prayer. I pray often

00:32:56.769 --> 00:32:59.789
when I wake up, I kind of go through Psalm 23

00:32:59.789 --> 00:33:02.569
before I get out of bed and I ponder what that

00:33:02.569 --> 00:33:04.970
is. And then I kind of phrase by phrase often

00:33:04.970 --> 00:33:07.349
as I lay there, because I want to, before I get

00:33:07.349 --> 00:33:09.990
bombarded in email or thoughts or problems, I

00:33:09.990 --> 00:33:13.690
want to, our Father, God, you're my Father today.

00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:17.279
You're in heaven. You're a sovereign God. Holy

00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:19.839
God, I want your name to be cherished in my mind,

00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:23.900
in my thoughts. Give me this day what I need,

00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:26.819
not just physically, but the daily bread of truth

00:33:26.819 --> 00:33:30.420
and everything. Forgive me of my sins, please,

00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.660
today, as I forgive those who trespass against

00:33:34.660 --> 00:33:38.579
me. Lord, please, you know the meetings, you

00:33:38.579 --> 00:33:42.359
know the places. Guard me and lead me away from

00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:45.200
temptation. And I pray through that. But you

00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.500
know what's one of the big prayers? You're going

00:33:48.500 --> 00:33:53.380
to forgive as you have been forgiven. You know,

00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:56.200
for some of you, the reason you're so critical

00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:58.740
and you can't resolve conflict in your marriage

00:33:58.740 --> 00:34:05.099
is you got stuff. You're holding on to all kind

00:34:05.099 --> 00:34:10.679
of stuff. You must learn to receive and grant

00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:14.269
forgiveness. as a regular rhythm of your life.

00:34:14.530 --> 00:34:16.869
And if you'll turn on the back of your notes,

00:34:16.989 --> 00:34:22.130
I want to give you a tool, Ephesians 4, 32. You'll

00:34:22.130 --> 00:34:24.329
need to look that up. I highly encourage you

00:34:24.329 --> 00:34:29.230
to memorize it. But be kind to one another, tenderhearted,

00:34:29.489 --> 00:34:35.929
forgiving one another also, just as Christ forgave

00:34:35.929 --> 00:34:40.929
you. Be kind. Here's the key, tenderhearted.

00:34:41.789 --> 00:34:45.789
forgiving each other. How? Just as Christ has

00:34:45.789 --> 00:34:48.889
forgiven you. You know how he forgave you? Exactly

00:34:48.889 --> 00:34:52.449
the same way he forgave Peter. And until that

00:34:52.449 --> 00:34:58.190
happens, you will not release and forgive your

00:34:58.190 --> 00:35:03.030
mate. Dealing with your own guilt and shame under

00:35:03.030 --> 00:35:07.150
practical steps, number four, it says, what do

00:35:07.150 --> 00:35:09.280
you need to do to take... fully forgive your

00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:12.880
mate and put the past behind you, you can write

00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:15.300
this under here, is deal with your own guilt

00:35:15.300 --> 00:35:18.599
and shame. I don't know what that looks like.

00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:21.320
And it might be a tough journey. In many cases,

00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:24.000
it'll require some professional help. Second

00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.199
is experience God's forgiveness and restoration.

00:35:27.659 --> 00:35:30.340
Only you know where you're at on that. And then

00:35:30.340 --> 00:35:32.719
as you do that, freely give what you've received.

00:35:33.579 --> 00:35:36.880
The reason I don't want to forgive my wife or

00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:41.539
anyone, is I feel like if I forgive them, I'm

00:35:41.539 --> 00:35:43.199
letting them off the hook and I want them to

00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:47.719
pay for what they did to me. At the heart of

00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:50.599
the lack of forgiveness is vengeance. And God

00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:53.239
says, vengeance is mine. I will repay, says the

00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:55.960
Lord. If your enemy's hungry, feed him. If he's

00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.059
thirsty, give him a drink. Do not be overcome

00:35:58.059 --> 00:36:00.340
with evil, but overcome evil with good. That's

00:36:00.340 --> 00:36:05.059
the end of Romans 12. And when you can realize,

00:36:05.260 --> 00:36:09.539
oh, ask. Has God given you what you deserve?

00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:14.539
And you think, oh no, he's been merciful. Then

00:36:14.539 --> 00:36:18.679
you can't turn around and do anything but give

00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:22.059
mercy first to your mate and others what they

00:36:22.059 --> 00:36:25.260
don't deserve. The whole book of 1 John is whatever

00:36:25.260 --> 00:36:27.840
is true vertical, if it's not true horizontal,

00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:30.719
then it's really not true vertically. You say

00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:32.420
you love God and hate your neighbor, you're a

00:36:32.420 --> 00:36:39.539
liar and the truth isn't in you. Let me give

00:36:39.539 --> 00:36:43.179
you a very specific game plan to take next steps.

00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:47.219
Notice where it says, is there an issue you need

00:36:47.219 --> 00:36:50.820
to defuse? Because this is unpacking something.

00:36:50.980 --> 00:36:55.780
So this is a D -E -F -U -S -E. And I'm going

00:36:55.780 --> 00:37:01.820
to give you just a little acronym. We've talked

00:37:01.820 --> 00:37:03.880
about the truth. We've talked about the grace.

00:37:03.940 --> 00:37:06.840
We've talked about you reentering this. I just

00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:09.420
want to give you a little step -by -step plan

00:37:09.420 --> 00:37:14.920
that you say, okay, Lord, this is going to be

00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:17.079
hard. It's going to be painful. I'm going to

00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:19.699
have to address some issues. I'll need help.

00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:24.360
I'm going to go through this with my mate because

00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:26.860
I'm not going to let either what I've seen or

00:37:26.860 --> 00:37:29.300
what I've done in the past define me any longer.

00:37:29.739 --> 00:37:31.920
and I will not allow it to ruin my marriage.

00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:35.699
And by the way, as a child of a World War II

00:37:35.699 --> 00:37:38.619
vet who never dealt with this, I got news for

00:37:38.619 --> 00:37:41.739
you, man. I was one messed up guy for a long

00:37:41.739 --> 00:37:46.480
time. And despite as much I came to Christ as

00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:49.440
a young adult, and as much as I worked really

00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:52.099
hard and renewed my mind, I've had some very

00:37:52.099 --> 00:37:55.099
significant conversations, especially with my

00:37:55.099 --> 00:37:58.829
older boys. who said, hey, Dad, I'm glad you

00:37:58.829 --> 00:38:00.789
made a lot of progress, but I got news for you,

00:38:00.829 --> 00:38:03.809
Dad. You passed on a lot of that stuff, that

00:38:03.809 --> 00:38:06.030
bad stuff that your dad, that he didn't deal

00:38:06.030 --> 00:38:08.909
with, some of your wounds, you passed on to us.

00:38:09.489 --> 00:38:11.309
And we've had some very honest conversations.

00:38:11.590 --> 00:38:14.769
There's a lot on the line, people. There's a

00:38:14.769 --> 00:38:19.480
lot on the line. There's no little boxes that

00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.320
get hidden. No more numbness. No more saying,

00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:24.219
I'm not going to engage. I'm not going to let

00:38:24.219 --> 00:38:26.320
my maid in. Oh, I don't want to go to a counselor.

00:38:26.500 --> 00:38:28.559
I don't want to deal with this. It's too painful.

00:38:28.659 --> 00:38:33.940
I'm just going to bury it. Stop it. The God of

00:38:33.940 --> 00:38:36.639
grace brought you here to re -engage in the most

00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:39.780
painful things in your life. And it will be the

00:38:39.780 --> 00:38:43.079
salve of both truth and looking at things and

00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:47.190
facing them honestly. And receiving grace at

00:38:47.190 --> 00:38:49.829
the same time that's the heart behind a new beginning.

00:38:50.130 --> 00:38:53.710
Here's how you do it. D -Fuse. The D stands for

00:38:53.710 --> 00:38:59.250
define the issue clearly. I don't know what yours

00:38:59.250 --> 00:39:02.570
is. Could have been an event. Could be something

00:39:02.570 --> 00:39:05.809
you did. Could be a lie. I don't know what it

00:39:05.809 --> 00:39:10.030
is. But I'm going to take a wild guess that a

00:39:10.030 --> 00:39:11.690
lot of you are not thinking, oh gosh, I wonder

00:39:11.690 --> 00:39:14.650
what that is. I'm thinking it's coming to your

00:39:14.650 --> 00:39:21.340
mind. The E, enter the pain and hurt. Just decide,

00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:25.280
you know. No more denial. No more blaming. No

00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:27.739
more criticizing. No, I don't need that help.

00:39:27.860 --> 00:39:30.599
All that psychology, that counseling stuff. No,

00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:32.980
no, no, no. I'm going to enter the pain. I'm

00:39:32.980 --> 00:39:35.039
going to enter the hurt. I'm going to go back

00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:37.400
to where the coal was burning when it happened.

00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:39.619
I'm going to go back to when I was called, and

00:39:39.619 --> 00:39:41.380
I'm going to go right through that, but this

00:39:41.380 --> 00:39:43.179
time I'm going to go through it with a God who

00:39:43.179 --> 00:39:45.679
loves me, who's paid for it, who cares for me,

00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:52.380
and he's going to give me grace. The F. is ask

00:39:52.380 --> 00:39:57.920
for forgiveness if you haven't. I'm amazed at

00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:01.280
the number of people I meet who have things,

00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:05.420
and some of it is like, I got thrown into a situation.

00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:09.000
I feel overwhelmingly guilty. I needed to do,

00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:12.000
I had to do what I did, and yet I feel overwhelmingly

00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.000
guilty. Well, just take it to God and say, I

00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:18.239
didn't sign up for this or this or that, but

00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:21.289
let's just get it clear. Just forgive me and

00:40:21.289 --> 00:40:24.630
cleanse me. David prayed that. He said, God,

00:40:24.670 --> 00:40:26.650
forgive me for the stuff that I don't even know

00:40:26.650 --> 00:40:29.190
about, even for presumptuous sin or stuff in

00:40:29.190 --> 00:40:32.329
my heart. Just once and for all, draw a line

00:40:32.329 --> 00:40:34.949
in the sand and ask God to help you and forgive

00:40:34.949 --> 00:40:38.369
you for anything done or anything done to you

00:40:38.369 --> 00:40:43.590
or any shame that you feel or any acts or acts

00:40:43.590 --> 00:40:49.789
of omission. And then, The you is understand

00:40:49.789 --> 00:40:54.110
the process. I think people get very confused

00:40:54.110 --> 00:40:56.309
about forgiveness, whether it's forgiving someone

00:40:56.309 --> 00:41:00.570
else or even at times how God forgives us. There's

00:41:00.570 --> 00:41:03.369
three phases to forgiveness. There's three tenses

00:41:03.369 --> 00:41:06.690
of the verb. When I'm going to forgive someone,

00:41:07.050 --> 00:41:09.650
it's a choice. By the way, it was a choice. Jesus

00:41:09.650 --> 00:41:12.610
chose to forgive you. It was an event. When he

00:41:12.610 --> 00:41:17.329
died on the cross, he forgave you. God spared

00:41:17.329 --> 00:41:19.230
not his own son, but delivered him up for us

00:41:19.230 --> 00:41:22.170
all. He forgave you when he died on the cross.

00:41:22.409 --> 00:41:25.030
For God so loved the world, he gave his one and

00:41:25.030 --> 00:41:27.389
only son, that whosoever would believe in him

00:41:27.389 --> 00:41:31.829
might not perish, but have eternal life. 1 John

00:41:31.829 --> 00:41:34.110
says he died for us, not only for us, but for

00:41:34.110 --> 00:41:36.829
false prophets. He's died for all people of all

00:41:36.829 --> 00:41:41.349
time. The only question is, will you receive

00:41:41.349 --> 00:41:45.539
it? So forgiveness is, say my wife does something,

00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:48.340
hurts me very deeply, I choose to forgive her.

00:41:48.500 --> 00:41:53.039
That's phase one. Phase two is a process, forgiving.

00:41:55.579 --> 00:41:59.519
Some of you have been betrayed or hurt or had

00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:03.960
horrendous things happen or been abused and you

00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:07.989
forgive, but then there's a flash or there's

00:42:07.989 --> 00:42:10.670
a song or there's an event and it stirs up the

00:42:10.670 --> 00:42:12.829
emotions and it feels like the scab gets pulled

00:42:12.829 --> 00:42:15.250
off and the anger flares up and you feel like,

00:42:15.309 --> 00:42:16.989
well, maybe I haven't forgiven him. No, no, no,

00:42:17.010 --> 00:42:21.889
no. You're in the process. So once you choose

00:42:21.889 --> 00:42:26.329
to forgive, then you start to pray for the person

00:42:26.329 --> 00:42:31.570
who hurt you. It says, bless those, remember

00:42:31.570 --> 00:42:34.690
Jesus? What do you do with your enemies? Bless

00:42:34.690 --> 00:42:38.119
those. who persecute you. Bless and curse not,

00:42:38.260 --> 00:42:41.780
Romans 12. If your enemy hurts you, pray for

00:42:41.780 --> 00:42:44.860
him. All I can tell you is it will release your

00:42:44.860 --> 00:42:51.159
anger and free you. I've been betrayed most painfully

00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:53.539
in ministry situations. Won't go into any of

00:42:53.539 --> 00:42:56.860
the details, but some of you would understand

00:42:56.860 --> 00:43:01.079
when you're so livid. You could do some things

00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:03.699
to a person because it's so unfair and so bad

00:43:03.699 --> 00:43:05.599
that you would regret the rest of your life.

00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:09.639
I've been there. And I don't want to forgive.

00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:14.300
In fact, for a few weeks, I refused to forgive.

00:43:14.860 --> 00:43:18.179
I'm not letting them off the hook. And then I

00:43:18.179 --> 00:43:20.619
came to the realization, so would you like me

00:43:20.619 --> 00:43:24.139
to not let you off the hook? No? Well, then read

00:43:24.139 --> 00:43:25.659
the Lord's Prayer a little more carefully, Chip.

00:43:26.759 --> 00:43:28.679
Because if you don't forgive them, I don't forgive

00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:32.940
you. Okay, so it's a choice. By the way, you

00:43:32.940 --> 00:43:35.559
don't have to feel it. You choose it. I choose.

00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:38.139
I would write it down. Here's the date. Well,

00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:41.059
then my emotions, forgiveness is an act of the

00:43:41.059 --> 00:43:44.199
will, but your emotions are a process. And so

00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:46.360
then I begin to pray for this person. Lord, help

00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:49.619
him see what a jerk he is. Lord, I pray that

00:43:49.619 --> 00:43:52.219
you'd help him to see what he did, how bad it

00:43:52.219 --> 00:43:54.579
was, and that he would publicly say it and come

00:43:54.579 --> 00:43:56.989
back and apologize to me. Those were my early

00:43:56.989 --> 00:44:00.909
prayers. And the Lord said, well, that's really

00:44:00.909 --> 00:44:04.289
not the blessing that I have in mind. And reluctantly,

00:44:04.309 --> 00:44:07.670
I'm talking a two -year process. And so now I'm,

00:44:07.789 --> 00:44:14.550
Lord, would you bless his marriage? Okay, would

00:44:14.550 --> 00:44:17.570
you bless his marriage? Would you help his children?

00:44:18.409 --> 00:44:20.210
He happened to be someone that was in ministry.

00:44:20.349 --> 00:44:23.650
Lord, oh gosh, this is painful. Would you bless

00:44:23.650 --> 00:44:27.679
the work of his hands? would you cause good to

00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.699
come to him? And all I can tell you is every

00:44:30.699 --> 00:44:32.760
time I took the Lord's Supper, I made a vow,

00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:34.659
and I don't make many vows at all before God.

00:44:34.820 --> 00:44:37.179
I will never take the Lord's Supper until I go

00:44:37.179 --> 00:44:39.860
through again the process of blessing and calling

00:44:39.860 --> 00:44:42.039
down your goodness upon this person who did this

00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:44.940
to me. And little by little by little, you know

00:44:44.940 --> 00:44:47.739
what changed? My emotions. And then it was about

00:44:47.739 --> 00:44:51.000
a year in, someone came and just was from another

00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:53.440
town and visited this person and said, oh, hey,

00:44:53.619 --> 00:44:55.500
did you hear about so -and -so? And told me something

00:44:55.500 --> 00:44:58.780
good about him. So being the semi -hypocritical

00:44:58.780 --> 00:45:01.400
pastor that I am, I smiled and said, oh, wow,

00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:04.280
that's great. My insides were, that is such a

00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:09.119
bummer. God is answering my prayer. Down deep,

00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:10.840
I don't want him to answer my prayer. I want

00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:13.679
him to get what he deserves. See, I still had

00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:17.360
the payback. So I'm forgive choice. Forgiving

00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:20.659
is the emotional journey. I kept praying. Every

00:45:20.659 --> 00:45:23.179
Lord's Supper and every time he came to mind

00:45:23.179 --> 00:45:26.059
or, you know, when I'd have a, I call it a flashback.

00:45:26.179 --> 00:45:29.760
I mean, I had anger fantasies. I had images of

00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:31.360
different things I was going to do to embarrass

00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:33.440
him and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You

00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:34.820
know, and every time this would come, I would

00:45:34.820 --> 00:45:37.360
start praying for him. And it was about right

00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:39.440
around two years, someone came in again, had

00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:41.920
visited where he was ministering and said something

00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:45.320
good about him and what the blessing of God on

00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:47.980
his life and how well something was going. And

00:45:47.980 --> 00:45:50.159
before I could even think, my immediate reaction

00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:57.340
was joy. I was grateful. Phase one, forgive,

00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:00.519
willful choice, an event on a certain day and

00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:05.139
time. Phase two, forgiving, a process and a journey.

00:46:05.219 --> 00:46:07.760
Every time your emotions go up and down, when

00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:11.539
you feel anger and the things come back up. Phase

00:46:11.539 --> 00:46:18.739
three, forgiven. You actually can rejoice that

00:46:18.739 --> 00:46:22.679
the person who hurt you is doing well. Because

00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:24.820
ultimately, isn't that what God wants for everyone?

00:46:24.940 --> 00:46:31.980
Restoration. Some of you need to remember that's

00:46:31.980 --> 00:46:35.059
how it works with you. So you've asked God to

00:46:35.059 --> 00:46:38.500
forgive you and you have emotional times where

00:46:38.500 --> 00:46:41.780
you feel overwhelmed and guilty and you still

00:46:41.780 --> 00:46:44.039
struggle. Guess what? Then you just reverse it.

00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:47.340
And so God, thank you. Thank you that you forgive

00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:49.659
me. Thank you as far as the East is from the

00:46:49.659 --> 00:46:52.880
West. I may be bringing this up in my mind, but

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it's not in your mind. And you sow gratitude

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and you pray and you ask. And so you begin to

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do for yourself exactly what we do with someone

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who would hurt you. And so D is define it clearly.

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E is enter the pain and the hurt. F is ask forgiveness.

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F is just forgive. U is understand the process.

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And then now we shift to... our horizontal relationships.

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The S is set things right between you. Okay,

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now this was a lot of personal work up to now.

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Some of you have issues in your relationship

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that are unresolved and you have not forgiven

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your husband or you've not forgiven your mate.

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Okay? Now a lot of it has to do with all this,

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but here's the S. Set things right between you.

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Own your responsibility. If I told you how many

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times in my mind, yes, we have a disagreement,

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we have a problem, but it's 90 % Teresa's fault

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and 10 % mine. And when she changes, then things

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will be fine. There's a lot of things, right?

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Matthew 5, 23 and 24 says, if therefore you come,

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before the altar to give your offering. And there

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remember, your brother has something against

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you. Leave your offering at the altar. First

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go and be reconciled to your brother. Then return

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and make your offering. In other words, being

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right is far less important than a right relationship.

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If you're convinced that it's 90 % his fault

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and 10 % yours, and you know there's a conflict,

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You go and own your 10%. Honey, I am so sorry

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that when you did this, I responded in this way.

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You go own your 10 % because it causes the beginning

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to start. So you own your part. And then are

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you ready? This is a bit odd. Confess. These

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are, I was wrong. When's the last time your mate

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heard that? I want to own my part. I was wrong.

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And the third phase, will you forgive me? And

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here's the response. The response is not your

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eyes going to the left or the right, your eyes

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looking down, your eyes wondering. Here's the

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response. You look them right in the eye and

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you say, yes, I forgive you. And it's a choice.

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And it may take your emotions a while to process

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that. But you set things right. You own your

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responsibility. You confess I was wrong. You

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ask for forgiveness. And then the E is establish

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a specific game plan of action to move forward.

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Okay, one of the other questions was, it just

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described how Teresa and I spent the first few

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years of our marriage. Big disagreement, you

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have an argument, and then you don't say anything

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for two or three or four days, and then you just

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pretend it didn't happen. And then you move on.

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And you know what you do? You just plant little

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seeds and you push them down into your soul.

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And it builds what's called a root of bitterness.

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And then you don't say anything, but the last

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thing in the world you ever want to do is make

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love with that person. Because your heart is

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getting hard. And you go through the motions.

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But your emotions, you know, the tenderness,

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the connection, the joy. Because, you know what?

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Think of thin little layers. Unresolved conflict.

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Thin little layer of resentment. Thin little

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layer. Thin little layer. Thin little layer.

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Thin little layer. You don't forgive. You don't

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set things right. Thin little layer. You know

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what it's called? Calcification. And then pretty

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soon, you know, Jesus said there's only one reason

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why people get a divorce according to Jesus.

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Moses gave the certificate of divorce because

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of the hardness of your heart. This topic on

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the front of your notes, if you turn it over,

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it says four biblical practices great marriages

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have in common. And we've talked about serving

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and planning. We've talked about connecting,

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forgiving, and notice why? It's restoring your

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peace. You don't have peace when there's unresolved

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conflict in your heart towards your mate. And

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you don't have peace when there's unresolved

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conflict with you and God. And you don't have

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peace when you have unresolved conflict in your

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own life. And so all those things come together.

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Great marriages practice forgiving in a rhythm.

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You practice it with you and your father. You

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practice it in your own journey, in your own

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heart and life. And you practice it with your

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mate. I'd like you to think about just in your

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marriage relationship, is there anything that

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you need to make right with your mate? Just pause

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quietly. And if not, great. Just say, Lord, is

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there anything I just need to tell her or tell

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him? I'm sorry. I was wrong. It could be little.

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It could be big. If it's a super heavy, heavy

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thing, get some counsel before you talk with

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your mate. Dropping bombs without a game plan

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is not a good plan. Lord, thank you that you

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will heal everything in our hearts personally

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and in our marriages. Lord, together we covenant

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before you to have marriages that reflect Jesus

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and the church. We're asking you now for the

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courage to face hard things. We ask for the faith

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to believe that you love us as much as you do.

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And God, we ask for the grace to treat our mates

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