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This is the Chip Ingram Sermon Podcast, brought

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to you by Living on the Edge. In this podcast,

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you'll hear Chip's teaching unedited and from

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beginning to end. Now let's join Chip Ingram

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with today's message titled, Planning, How to

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Strengthen Your Hope. As we get started, I have

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on my wall, and I haven't memorized it, but I

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read it almost every day because left to myself

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and you left to yourself, we all focus on, you

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know, what about me, right? You know, my needs,

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my will, my desires, this is what I want to see

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happen. And on my wall is this prayer. It says,

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Lord, make me an instrument of your peace. And

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where there is hatred, let me sow love. Where

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there is sorrow, let me sow joy. Where there's

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injury, let me sow pardon. Where there's darkness,

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let me sow light. Where there's despair, let

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me sow joy. Oh, divine master, grant that I wouldn't

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seek so much to be consoled as to console. To

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be understood as to understand. As to be loved

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as to love. For it's in giving that we receive.

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It's in pardoning that we are pardoned. And it's

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in dying that we're born to eternal life. And

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that's attributed to St. Francis of Assisi. Just,

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I need every single moment to get the paradigm

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shift. You know, this series is about four biblical

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practices that great marriages have in common.

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And the first one is about love. But, you know,

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when Jesus wanted to show his love, what did

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he do? He took up a towel and he got down on

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his knees. And the King of kings and the Lord

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of lords and the Son of God, who has been worshipped

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by myriads of angels from eternity past, bent

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down and he washed the feet of people that were

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too proud to wash their own or anyone else's.

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And not only of the 11 that he knew that would

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be faithful, but he washed the feet of someone

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that he knew was going to betray him. And all

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I can tell you is when God tells us to serve,

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you can't do it, and I can't do it in my power.

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I mean, that's like one of those assignments,

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like this is what you really need to do, and

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unless you come to, I can't, and say, God, but

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you can do this through me. And there's a promise.

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Jesus said, give, and it'll be given unto you.

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Good measure. Press down, shaken together, running

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over, back into your lap. For whatever measure

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you give, you'll receive. And it's a process

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and it's a journey, but I think one of the most

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fundamental shifts if you want a great marriage,

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and I mean it starts in your mind, moves to your

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heart, and then has to get into your hands, is

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that this will only be a great marriage not if

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or when my mate changes, but when I begin to

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serve them as an act of worship of serving him

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with the recognition that I don't have the power

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to do that. And as you do that, you know, you

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know, you say, well, I just can't, I don't feel

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it. Here's what happens. It's that classic picture

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is you can stand on the edge of the water and

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say, there's no way. It's the moment when they

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stepped into the water. That's when you get the

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grace. But you know, just like you go into training

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for other things, you know, discipline, God gives

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grace through discipline. Discipline is learning

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to do over time what you can't directly do currently.

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I'll never forget my assistant of many years

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ago had never done anything athletic, and we

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were learning this idea of what you can't do

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directly, you can learn to accomplish over time

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when you go into training. So in other words,

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I can't love my wife today directly, but I can

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go into training to build the capacity to be

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sensitive to meeting needs, but it takes times

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in training. So I'll never forget, she had a

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friend who was a marathoner. She goes, no, no,

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here's the plan. This is how many hours you sleep.

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And she started walking. Then she did a little

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bit of jogging. It was like six months later.

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And she says, is there any way I could come in

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late on Friday? I said, well, why? What's up?

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She goes, well, my training, I need to run 10

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miles Friday morning. I said, all at once? And

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she hadn't said anything. I said, can you do

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that? She goes, yeah. And I said her name. I

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said, you can walk around the block. six months

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ago, how can you run 10 miles? She goes, well,

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this is what we ate, and then I jogged, and then

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it was this, then I got up to one mile, then

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up to two miles, and I have a 10 -mile run, and

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we only have five more weeks. She did 26 .2 miles

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without stopping because she went into training.

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It affected what she ate, how much she slept,

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how she exercised. Here's what I want you to

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understand. There's many things you can't will

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and do today. You have to go, the spiritual disciplines,

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praying, renewing your mind, reading scripture,

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having fellowship from the heart. You go into

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spiritual training and you can actually build

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a capacity to love in ways that you currently

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can't do by willpower. And that's how God dispenses.

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Now, sometimes he gives these flashes of supernatural,

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amazing, you have new eyes and see everything

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different. I mean, I have a handful of friends

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who, that's how they overcame their porn addiction

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or their drug addiction and they cried out to

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God and wow. But the great majority was recognized

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as they had a problem getting in a group, putting...

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limitations on their phone, giving their passwords

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to someone else, having weekly accountability,

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and they went into training to renew their mind.

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So all I'm saying is your potentiality for not

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a good marriage, but a great marriage has little

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or nothing to do today with how your mate is

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acting or not acting or what you want them to

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do or not do. Because if you turn this one in

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and get another one, you're going to have exactly

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the same problems. And the other thing is, is

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this person you'll have to live with that's really

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the biggest problem is you. It's you. I mean,

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I have a fairly healthy self -concept, but I

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can look in the mirror and know the core of my

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life is I'm selfish, I want my own way. Now,

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I can put verses behind it, and I can, believe

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me, I can make it sound sophisticated and very

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Christian. But left to myself, apart from the

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Holy Spirit working powerfully in my life, I

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am really about my needs, my wants, and I get

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frustrated and angry or whatever when that isn't

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delivered apart from the Spirit of the living

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God living in me and me allowing Him progressively

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to have more and more control. And as I give

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Him control, then the fruit of that relationship

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begins to come out in my speech and in my behavior.

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And in my thinking. And that fruit is what? It's

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love. It's joy. It's peace. It's patience. It's

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goodness. It's kindness. It's faithfulness. It's

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gentleness. It's self -control. As I abide. And

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then that is who begins to, by God's power, express.

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through the conduit of my personality to my wife,

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and guess what? Her emotional needs are met,

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and her heart feels safe and secure. And then

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this weird thing starts happening. Then she wants

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to treat me that way, which makes me want to

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treat her even more that way, which makes her

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want to treat me that way. See, every relationship

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is either on an upward spiral of growth and kindness

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and love, or he did that, so I do this. Well,

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you know what? She said that to me, so I'm not

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going to do that. And then pretty soon, you play

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this silly game and you both lose. I mean, I've

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been in the ditch in my marriage. I've been in

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the darkness in my marriage. I've been where

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I didn't love my wife. I didn't even like her.

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I mean, at all. Just angry and hurt and wounded.

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And it was just a choice because I made a commitment

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to God. I said, till death do us part. If there

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was a plan B or if there was an exit door, I

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would have taken it. I'm ashamed to admit that,

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but it's true. But the good thing what I saw

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was when you choose not to take it, then the

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only other option is you got to work this out.

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And if you can't change them, there's only one

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person left in the room, right? And so that's

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when my marriage started to really change. Okay,

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she makes me nuts. I can't change her. God, you

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change me. And she came to the same conclusion.

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Love is the foundation of any relationship. But

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the oxygen, what brings it forward is hope. And

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I want to teach you now, the second practices

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great marriages have in common is hope. And if

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you'll open your Bibles to John 14, I want to

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show you in the midst of a desperate, desperate

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crisis, how Jesus is going to give hope to his

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bride. Remember, there's a great mystery, and

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the great mystery is that there's this marriage,

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and this marriage is between Jesus and his bride,

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the church, and he's gonna model for us exactly

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how we can love one another. We're in John chapter

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14, and the situation is they've taken the Last

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Supper, they've sung a hymn, He has told them

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a lot about he's going to leave. And think crisis.

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Think you're going to be apart for a long time.

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Think of military being deployed. Think of I

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wonder if I ever see you again. Think of the

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worst and most difficult parting. Think someone

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who's told you some very terrible things are

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going to happen to them and you don't know how

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it's all going to turn out. What you need more

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than anything else is what? You need hope. One

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of the great challenges in marriages is if you

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don't have hope, if you're not looking forward

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to something this week, if you're not looking

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forward to something this month, if you don't

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have a couple things that you're thinking about,

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hey, this year, there's some challenges, there's

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ups, there's downs, there's struggles, there's

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kids, there's sickness, there's lack of money,

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but oh, this is coming up. As long as you have

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hope, hope allows you to endure daily struggles

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because there's something that you look forward

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to. And what you're going to find is that Jesus

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is going to give his disciples hope and follow

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along as we discover how he does it. Peter said

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to him, Lord, why can I not follow you right

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now? I'll lay down my life for you. This is a

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good reminder of those of us who make promises

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to God. Jesus answered at the end of chapter

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13, will you lay down your life for me? Truly,

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truly, I say to you, a rooster will not crow

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until you deny me three times. Then he shifts

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gears. Do not let your heart be troubled. Believe

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in God. Believe also in me. Well, why? In my

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Father's house there are many dwelling places.

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If were not so, I would have told you. For I

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go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare

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a place for you, I will come again and receive

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you to myself. Notice the focus. That where I

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am, there you may be also. Their greatest fear

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is abandonment. And he's promising, I'm gonna

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prepare a place so that we can be together. And

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then he goes on to say, and you know the way

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where I'm going. And Thomas said to him, Lord,

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we do not know the way that you are going. How

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do we know the way? And Jesus said to him, I

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am the way. Literally that word is road, hadas.

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I'm the path or I am the way, the truth and the

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life. No one comes to the Father except through

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me. If you had known me, you would have known

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my Father also. From now on, you know him and

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have seen him. I mean, these are great questions.

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Philip goes, well, you know, maybe I've missed

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something in this three years, but Lord, show

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us the Father and it'll be enough. Jesus said

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to him, have I been with you so long that you

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still have not come to know the Father? How can

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you say, show us the Father? Do you not believe

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that I am in the Father and the Father is in

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me? The words that I say to you, I do not speak

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on my own initiative, but the Father abiding

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in me does his work. Believe me that I am in

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the Father and the Father is in me. Otherwise,

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believe because of the works themselves, speaking

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of all the miracles they've seen. Truly, truly,

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I say to you, he who believes in me, the works

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that I will do. Now listen to this. There's gonna

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be hope because there's a place. There's gonna

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be hope because I'm gonna come back for you.

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There's gonna be hope because you don't really

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get it, but I am, I am God. And so I'm going

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to keep my promises. Then notice he's going to

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say, there's hope because I'm not only not going

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to leave you alone, but I have a mission and

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a purpose for you. I say to you, you will also

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do greater works than these because I go to the

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Father. Whatever you ask in my name, that will

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I do. So the Father may be glorified in the Son.

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If you ask me anything in my name, notice I will

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do it. If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

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I will ask the Father and he will give you another

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helper. Speaking of the Holy Spirit, that he

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may be with you forever. That is the spirit of

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truth whom the world cannot receive because it

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does not see him or abide in him or know him.

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But you know him because he abides with you and

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will be, notice it's all future, and will be

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in you. I will not leave you as orphans. I will

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come to you. After a little while, the world

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will no longer see me, but you will see me. Because

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I live, you will live also. In that day, you

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will know that I am in my Father, and you in

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me, and I in you. He who has my commandments

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and keeps them is the one who loves me. And who

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loves me will be loved of my Father, and I will

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love him. And my Father and I will come to him,

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and I will disclose myself to him. The command

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is do not be afraid. In other words, don't let

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fear or anxiety. He's speaking to his bride.

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Men, as we go through this, I want you to be

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thinking first and foremost about what your role

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is because you're supposed to love your wife

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how? The way Christ loves the church. So first,

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he says to his church, you don't need to be afraid

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and you don't need to be anxious because I'm

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going to take some responsibility for our future.

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It's a man's role. Second, he says, why? Because

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I'm not going to abandon you and I'm not going

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to leave you. A woman's greatest fear is abandonment.

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One of her greatest needs is security. And so

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Jesus says, you don't have to be afraid. You

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don't have to be anxious. Why? I'm going to secure

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a place. You ever wondered why I know some of

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you have had to move around a lot? And for many

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of us as men, I remember we've moved from West

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Virginia to Dallas, from Dallas to the West Coast,

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from the West Coast to Atlanta, and from Atlanta

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back. And each time, these are traumatic things

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for my wife. But I remember we were leaving the

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West Coast to go to the East Coast, and most

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of my kids were grown and still had a daughter

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at home. And it was a tiny little house, but

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it's where our kids mostly grew up. And my wife

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actually went through each room and said goodbye

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to the rooms and touched the wall. You know,

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if I didn't know her better, I would think she's

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really having, you know, a little moment here.

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Because see, for me, it's a house. For her, it

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was the place. The unit, it was the security.

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It's what mattered. It was the home that our

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best memories of the transformation of our marriage

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and of our children, where it occurred. And for

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us men, sometimes we're utilitarian. You know,

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it's got four walls. It's got a couple bathrooms.

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It looks good to me. You know, who cares if the

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curtains are this color or that color and the

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furniture doesn't really match or this. It matters

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to her. Because it's an environment. It's the

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nest. It's the place. And isn't it interesting

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that when Jesus leaves the disciples, there is

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a place. Not some, you know, mystical floating

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around. There's an actual place. And there's

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a place of dwelling. There's plenty of them.

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They're for you. And I'm going to go prepare

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it for you. And I'm going to prepare it for you

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because not only there's a place, there's a relationship.

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And I want you to feel secure and know there's

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hope for the future because I promised to come

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for you and I've prepared a place for you. And

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then he tells them, by the way, there's a strategy

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to get there. We're not just moving. There's

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an actual strategy that you can know how to go

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from where you're at in your anxiety and fear

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to where we're going to be. And often, don't

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we? We memorize verses and quote them, and sometimes

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we get them so in our mind. Okay, I'm the way,

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the truth, and the life. No one comes to the

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Father except by me. I got that down. Jesus is

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the only way. He's truth. You know, this is where

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he reveals his deity. I am the Father, one. We

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get all our theology. Do you understand in the

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context? There were some very scared young men

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who he was telling them, there's hope. It's on

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my word. And I want you to know there's a pathway

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to this hope that you can trust. There's a game

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plan here. It's not like I'm just coming home

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and saying, I got transferred or I'm taking a

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new job and there's not a game plan and a timing.

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And he wanted them to know, how are we going

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to get from point A to point B? And basically

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he said, I'm the way. I'm the path. And then

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the thing about hope is, but what's the purpose?

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why are you leaving and why do we have to relocate?

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And he goes, you will do greater works. And so

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he tells them there's a place. It's rooted in

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a promise. He tells them there's a way to get

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there. And then he tells them, I have a purpose

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for you that everything that you have seen me

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do, you actually are going to do greater works.

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And I want you to believe in me. And if not for

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all of our time and intimacy and relationship,

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at least look back on all those miracles and

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know this is the way. See, he's building a very

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clear pathway so they can know, you know what?

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What's he going to tell them later? In the world,

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you're going to have tribulation, but I've overcome

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the world. My peace at the very end of this chapter,

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I give to you. And all of it is rooted around

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hope. Someone has rightly said, hope is the oxygen

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of the soul. You know, whether you're discouraged

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in your marriage or whether there's seasons,

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I just call it a grind. Anybody have that? You

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know, it's just like you get up, she gets up,

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you do this. If you have kids, you take them

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here. You got this. There's these evenings you're

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supposed to do this. Involved in church, you

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do this over here. Okay, every so many weeks.

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And you just, you're living in the present completely.

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And then when you have some challenges, right?

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You're human. You have some challenges. She says

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a little something. He said he was gonna do this,

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but he didn't do it. You know, one of the kids

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you got a problem with and one of you thinks

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you ought to do this and the other thinks you

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ought to do that and you have a little argument

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about it. If you live only in the now, the grind

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will eat your relationship up. Hope is a picture

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of the future that says that what we're doing

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today is going to produce a better tomorrow and

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enduring the grind of the todays and the struggles

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and the challenges and the little hurt feelings

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and the downtimes and the illnesses and the hurt

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and the kids who are going astray and the people

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that are treating you unfairly. The anchor of

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your soul is there's this hope. And ultimately,

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yes, it's heaven. Ultimately, it's Jesus coming

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back. Ultimately, no one has the power to make

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you happy. But if you're a follower of Christ,

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he's told you, I am your living hope. I am your

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security. I am the deep well of your life. My

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spirit dwelling inside of you. He will be with

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you and will be... Here's the promise, again,

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future, in you. Did you notice how many times

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I said, I will listen to you. I will come again.

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It's all based on this promise of the future.

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In your marriage, you have to build in hope.

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And are you ready for this? This sounds so unspiritual.

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Look at the title of this session, planning.

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Do you realize this is what Jesus is doing? He's

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sitting down with his bride and saying, I'm leaving.

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But I want you to know the plan. Here's the plan.

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The plan is there's a future date and a future

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time that you don't know about, and I've got

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an amazing house, and that's where we're going

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to live. And here's the plan. There's an actual

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pathway. It's not I -40. It's not I -75. It's

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me. All you gotta do, I'm the path, I'm the truth,

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I'm the way. All you do, you follow me and you're

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gonna land at the ultimate hopeful place where

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we're gonna be together. No sin, no pain, no

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problems. Everything you've seen, all the miracles

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are normal. And by the way, I have a purpose

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for you. You're going to start doing what I've

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been doing. In fact, later on, these disciples

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don't know it, we're gonna call this the body

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of Christ. We use, that sounds like a religious

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phrase. Think of how did God express his miracles

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and his power when Jesus was walking on the earth?

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This is not a trick question. Jesus walks in

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and he speaks, little girl, arise. He touches

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a person and the leprosy is healed. He teaches

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a multitude. He is in Capernaum. How did he get

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from Capernaum over to Tiberias? He walked. You

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guys are looking at me. I'm making this way too

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hard. Jesus was fully God, but he had a physical

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body, didn't he? And when he did his miracles,

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the Spirit of God, Jesus, God the Son, and God

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the Father are working together, and in his physical

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body, he spoke, he touched. He walked and he

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moved and he accomplished the will of God through

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his body. When he was resurrected and the Holy

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Spirit came and Pentecost and the church was

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born, the spirit of the living God came into

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whosoever would believe and turn from their sin

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and repent and receive Christ. And so the Holy

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Spirit, the fullness of the Godhead came to dwell

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inside of you as a follower. And now he says

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the body of Christ is not just. one singular

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physical body. It's whoever the spirit of God

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lives in. So now how does he touch people? How

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does he speak to people? How does he love people?

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It's through us, right? So he's saying, not only

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is there hope about the end, not only do you

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know the path, but I've given you a purpose because

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each and every time where the spirit of God comes

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through the conduit, I kind of see myself like

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a piece of PVC pipe. There's all this grace in

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heaven that's available and the power of the

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Holy Spirit lives in me. And I have to open the

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tap and surrender my life so the Spirit can flow

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through me. But when the Spirit flows through

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me like it flows through any Christians, that's

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open. And when something out of my mouth brings

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healing or when I take something out of my pocket

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and give some money to someone who's hungry or

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when I sit across the table and counsel a couple

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or when I get to share the gospel and the Spirit

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of God uses that and there's life and there's

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healing and there's rest. restoration. All I

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can tell you, it's unbelievable. You've experienced

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it. You've sat across from someone and you heard

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them bow their head and pray to receive Christ.

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You've talked with them for hours and they decided

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not to leave their husband. You saw someone that

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was really hurting, was in a terrible situation,

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was clinically depressed, and you came around

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them and now they're healthy. And what you realized,

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God used me. And what's it do? It gives you hope.

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It reminds you he's real. There's power. It's

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a reality. Where's your hope in your marriage?

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See, is your hope that someday, someway, everything's

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going to be perfect? Is your hope someday she's

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going to be more affectionate? Is your hope someday

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we can really have a nice house and when all

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that happens, everything's going to be wonderful?

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Is your hope is that when we can finally move

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closer to my parents so my immediate family will

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make me feel better? Is your hope that someone

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will no longer ever have to be deployed and then

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somehow life will really be wonderful? Is your

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hope that when we can have children, then life

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is really going to happen? Is your hope somehow

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if I, you know, make some career moves, then

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we'll make more money and then everything's going

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to be okay? Is my hope, do you understand every

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single one of those is circumstantial? And every

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single one of those can happen tomorrow. And

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here's what I can tell you about you and me and

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our fallen nature. Give you 30 days and your

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hope will be on something else. Just a little

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bit bigger house. And wishing you didn't have

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so many kids. And what Jesus is telling us is,

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There's going to be challenges. It's part of

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living in a fallen world. First, it's this attitude

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of serving your mate that makes no sense. And

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you keep doing it when it works. You keep doing

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it when it doesn't work. And you do it as an

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act of worship to God. And over time, a transformation

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happens in you. You become more and more like

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Jesus. And all I can tell you is that when someone

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becomes more and more like Jesus, she's more

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and more attractive, or he is more and more attractive.

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My wife's really attractive. She's very kind.

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She's very loving. She's very other -centered.

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That was not how she always used to be. And I

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spent most of my energy picking apart what I

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didn't like about her instead of the 90 % that

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I did like about her. And God wants you to know

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that serving is the first step, but you have

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to have hope. And the way you have hope is you

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have to have a plan. I mean, so can I just give

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you a couple principles, and then I want to get

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real practical. Here's the principle. I mean,

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this is from Jesus. Long -term planning provides

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hope and perspective to overcome short -term

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pain and challenges. Now, just tell me, am I

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just reading too much into that? Does he give

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them a long -term plan or what? Hey, here's the

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long -term plan. You're gonna be with me forever.

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I got your back. I'm coming back. No matter what

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happens, how bad, how hard, I'm coming back and

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there's a place for you. Long -term plan gives

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you perspective and hope to overcome short -term

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pain and challenges. Second, great plans provides

00:28:39.970 --> 00:28:43.380
a specific path. and create hope for tomorrow

00:28:43.380 --> 00:28:46.740
and forever. Great plans don't just say, hey,

00:28:46.779 --> 00:28:48.859
someday, someway. He could have said, okay, guys,

00:28:48.980 --> 00:28:50.440
I'm going to go to the cross a little bit later.

00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:52.119
I'm going to go prepare a place for you. Ready?

00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:58.019
Break. See you someday, someway, somehow. No,

00:28:58.039 --> 00:29:00.480
no, a great plan is, yeah, that's the long -term

00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:03.579
plan, but here's where you are today. There's

00:29:03.579 --> 00:29:06.740
a specific path. There's specific things we're

00:29:06.740 --> 00:29:08.640
going to do. Literally, there's mile markers

00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:10.779
that we're going to look at that are going to

00:29:10.779 --> 00:29:13.119
move us forward so we can see we're making progress.

00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:17.019
Third principle is hope rises and falls with

00:29:17.019 --> 00:29:21.400
how we keep our promises. The most devastating

00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:25.299
thing we do to one another, and we all do it,

00:29:25.339 --> 00:29:27.480
is when we tell our mates something and then

00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:32.819
we don't follow through. Breaks trust. What do

00:29:32.819 --> 00:29:36.500
we know about Jesus? I would encourage you, you

00:29:36.500 --> 00:29:38.799
know, if you read John chapter 14, and you can

00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:41.799
even read 15 and 16, and every time the word

00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:45.680
I will, I will, I will, I will, I will underline

00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.819
it. And you know what he's saying? I will. I

00:29:48.819 --> 00:29:53.059
keep my promises. I'm preparing a place. And

00:29:53.059 --> 00:29:57.720
did you get the why? See, I meet a lot of Christians

00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.519
that believe God loves them. I don't think they

00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:05.960
really believe he likes them. And oh yeah, he

00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:07.539
loves me, but I need to do this and I need to

00:30:07.539 --> 00:30:08.980
do this and I need to do this and I know I don't

00:30:08.980 --> 00:30:12.039
measure up. Do you realize that just you sitting

00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:15.460
wherever you're at, whatever level of maturity

00:30:15.460 --> 00:30:19.599
with all your issues, that if Jesus walked through

00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:23.759
those doors in his resurrected body and sat down

00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:25.880
with you, he said, do you want coffee or do you

00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:28.619
want tea? And you would sit across from you and

00:30:28.619 --> 00:30:32.299
he would just be delighted to hang out. And so,

00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:37.559
Do you see the promises that he makes? And so

00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:42.680
then the application is practical. Number one,

00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:47.539
if you, this is from my Marine father, so don't

00:30:47.539 --> 00:30:49.839
look for this in the Bible, but I heard it so

00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:53.460
much, it's up there in the Bible with me. Chip,

00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:59.000
if you fail to plan, you... Does every person

00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:03.869
know that one? It's true. And you know, you plan

00:31:03.869 --> 00:31:06.289
for career, you plan hopefully for finances,

00:31:06.509 --> 00:31:09.289
you plan for so much. Here's my question. What's

00:31:09.289 --> 00:31:12.549
your plan for your marriage? What's your plan

00:31:12.549 --> 00:31:15.690
for your marriage? I mean, if I said, okay, hey,

00:31:15.730 --> 00:31:19.089
hey, you're the husband, right? Bridegroom, there's

00:31:19.089 --> 00:31:21.470
a bride. Okay, guys over here, all you ladies

00:31:21.470 --> 00:31:24.269
over there. All right, one by one, line up. Tell

00:31:24.269 --> 00:31:27.509
me your plan. What's the game plan? Intimacy

00:31:27.509 --> 00:31:31.170
plan, future plan, kids plan, intellectual growth

00:31:31.170 --> 00:31:34.380
plan. Spiritual growth plan. Future of your kids,

00:31:34.460 --> 00:31:35.660
do you want them to go to college? Do you think

00:31:35.660 --> 00:31:36.900
they need to go to college? Do you need to plan

00:31:36.900 --> 00:31:39.559
for that? What's your financial plan? If you're

00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:43.460
looking at me like, duh, we got a problem. Because

00:31:43.460 --> 00:31:47.559
if you don't have a plan, then you don't have

00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:51.819
a lot of hope. Because planning, you know what

00:31:51.819 --> 00:31:55.009
the word planning is about? Planning. is the

00:31:55.009 --> 00:31:58.049
presumption that there will be a future and that

00:31:58.049 --> 00:32:00.589
you're doing some things today and you're looking

00:32:00.589 --> 00:32:03.410
into the future and saying, these are the important

00:32:03.410 --> 00:32:06.329
things that we are going to do and they're things

00:32:06.329 --> 00:32:09.829
that you look forward to. Planning is sort of

00:32:09.829 --> 00:32:13.190
a thread that takes hope and the hope pulls you,

00:32:13.250 --> 00:32:17.289
but it pulls you because there's a plan. I cannot

00:32:17.289 --> 00:32:20.859
tell you, I mean, my wife and I, argued, struggled.

00:32:21.019 --> 00:32:23.099
You know, we did the, you know, roll in bed,

00:32:23.299 --> 00:32:28.460
you know, face the other wall. And we made a

00:32:28.460 --> 00:32:31.619
plan. The plan was we would have a date every

00:32:31.619 --> 00:32:35.359
single week. It would be on Friday, be for breakfast.

00:32:35.579 --> 00:32:37.720
We would eat and we would spend about three hours

00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:39.559
together. We would take a walk. We would do whatever.

00:32:39.740 --> 00:32:42.420
But during that three or four hour block, she

00:32:42.420 --> 00:32:46.319
knew she had me. No phone, no interruptions,

00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:48.660
and anything and everything that was building

00:32:48.660 --> 00:32:51.900
up in her heart, she knew I'm only six days away

00:32:51.900 --> 00:32:56.440
from unloading. And what it gave me was six days

00:32:56.440 --> 00:32:58.500
of her not unloading a little every day causing

00:32:58.500 --> 00:33:03.180
conflict. And it wasn't like it was just conflict

00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:07.119
resolution. We had a plan. What we knew was we

00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:10.119
were terrible communicators. We didn't know how

00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:12.559
to resolve anger. We didn't even know when we

00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:14.890
were angry. We had to have a counselor teach

00:33:14.890 --> 00:33:17.930
us, when you're like this, okay, she's passive

00:33:17.930 --> 00:33:20.369
aggressive and she buries her anger and you verbalize

00:33:20.369 --> 00:33:23.950
your anger. Oh, so that's why you do this, she

00:33:23.950 --> 00:33:28.190
does, oh, okay. So we had to learn when we were

00:33:28.190 --> 00:33:31.650
angry. So I like right after supper, I mean,

00:33:31.670 --> 00:33:34.109
just 15 minutes. We did it three times a week.

00:33:34.809 --> 00:33:39.349
Okay, honey, this sounds so artificial. How did

00:33:39.349 --> 00:33:41.970
your day go? Superficial, okay, great. How did

00:33:41.970 --> 00:33:44.180
your day go? Great. What are you concerned about?

00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.339
Well, this, this, this. And I shut up. You can't

00:33:48.339 --> 00:33:52.039
fix it. Just shut up. What do you wish? Oh, I

00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.680
wish one of our sons would not be so much this

00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:57.440
way. And I'm concerned about our other sons dating

00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:00.079
a girl. You know, I wish I felt better. I've

00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:02.660
got, you know, this really situation. And what

00:34:02.660 --> 00:34:05.119
are you willing to do? And in 15 minutes or 20

00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:08.880
minutes, I mean, we learned to not just bury

00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:11.820
stuff. but get all the things that are weighing

00:34:11.820 --> 00:34:16.260
us down out on the table. And then a question

00:34:16.260 --> 00:34:18.219
that you didn't have to do anything. What are

00:34:18.219 --> 00:34:21.980
you willing to do? And what happened is in 15

00:34:21.980 --> 00:34:25.500
minutes, every other night at least, I found

00:34:25.500 --> 00:34:27.360
that this is the burdens and she heard mine.

00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:29.579
I mean, she would ask me, how'd your day go?

00:34:29.659 --> 00:34:32.840
It's fine. And she wants to talk. And well, I

00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:35.440
mean, well, how'd it really go? It's fine. This

00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.179
church had a lot of meetings. A couple of people

00:34:37.179 --> 00:34:39.340
came to Christ. It's great. So what's up? I mean.

00:34:39.980 --> 00:34:42.699
And I can't understand why she thinks we don't

00:34:42.699 --> 00:34:44.900
communicate, right? I told her. It was fine.

00:34:45.579 --> 00:34:47.900
That's not what she wanted to hear. How did you

00:34:47.900 --> 00:34:51.079
feel about it? What was going on inside? You

00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:56.840
know, right? So we came up with a plan weekly.

00:34:57.139 --> 00:34:59.980
We came up with a plan daily. And then for us,

00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.960
when there's friction, guess what goes out the

00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:06.719
door? Romance. And now if you have kids, especially

00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:12.400
small ones, It's hard to even find romance. And

00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:15.480
so we plan, we scheduled, you know, got other

00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:17.360
couples, watch our kids, we were super poor.

00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:19.619
We're gonna get away for a couple nights at least

00:35:19.619 --> 00:35:23.000
once, try it twice a year. And sometimes you

00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:25.679
were just holding on by a thread. We only got,

00:35:25.820 --> 00:35:29.739
you know, 62 more days until we can get away.

00:35:30.219 --> 00:35:34.460
But two days away would refresh. Are you starting

00:35:34.460 --> 00:35:46.190
to get it? Hope. So, what is your career and

00:35:46.190 --> 00:35:51.670
family and ministry and future plan for the next

00:35:51.670 --> 00:35:56.590
5, 10, or 15 years? Now, I know when I say something

00:35:56.590 --> 00:35:59.150
like that, you go, oh my gosh. I mean, that's

00:35:59.150 --> 00:36:02.690
sort of a long, big deal. Okay, here's a tool

00:36:02.690 --> 00:36:05.050
for transformation. I want to get you started.

00:36:05.090 --> 00:36:07.539
I'm going to give you two tools. Here's tool

00:36:07.539 --> 00:36:09.920
number one. This changed the course of my life.

00:36:10.139 --> 00:36:18.500
It's 34 or 35, three kids, four. Annie had just

00:36:18.500 --> 00:36:21.739
been born, was maybe 18 months old. I've got

00:36:21.739 --> 00:36:25.219
two 13, 14 -year -olds, about a seven -year -old,

00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:28.150
and about a one -year -old. And where I went

00:36:28.150 --> 00:36:30.110
to seminary, they had a thing called LEAD, Leadership

00:36:30.110 --> 00:36:32.670
Evaluation and Development. And they looked at

00:36:32.670 --> 00:36:34.269
your whole life. And you went away with your

00:36:34.269 --> 00:36:36.170
wife for a week. And they had a psychologist

00:36:36.170 --> 00:36:37.869
talk to you. And someone looked at your preaching.

00:36:38.050 --> 00:36:40.949
And people filled out all these forms about your

00:36:40.949 --> 00:36:43.369
life, your character. And they literally had

00:36:43.369 --> 00:36:45.670
your life. And the goal was to take you through

00:36:45.670 --> 00:36:48.610
this four or five days and give you an evaluation

00:36:48.610 --> 00:36:51.809
of where you're at and help you see blind spots

00:36:51.809 --> 00:36:54.929
so that maybe they could help you skip 10 years

00:36:54.929 --> 00:36:58.349
of pain. they thought maybe you have some potential

00:36:58.349 --> 00:37:01.070
to make a difference. Two big things happened.

00:37:02.489 --> 00:37:05.389
The man who did our interview was one of my mentors

00:37:05.389 --> 00:37:08.210
and he looked at Teresa and said, you haven't

00:37:08.210 --> 00:37:10.070
told anybody about your past life, have you?

00:37:10.869 --> 00:37:14.630
No, I hide it. But she said, I have a problem.

00:37:14.809 --> 00:37:17.190
What's that? Well, my little boy is like six

00:37:17.190 --> 00:37:19.969
or seven years old and we have a picture of Chip

00:37:19.969 --> 00:37:22.349
and I in our marriage and Eric and Jason are

00:37:22.349 --> 00:37:25.639
in the picture. I mean, they were like... Four

00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:28.280
and a half, five years old. You know, dressed

00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:30.219
up little boys carrying the rings and things.

00:37:30.619 --> 00:37:33.059
And so our six or seven year old says, Mommy,

00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:34.980
how come Eric and Jason got to be in the wedding

00:37:34.980 --> 00:37:39.559
picture and I didn't? Well, a little moment of

00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:43.179
truth. That's a real tricky one, right? She was

00:37:43.179 --> 00:37:47.500
ashamed. She was ashamed that she was told where

00:37:47.500 --> 00:37:49.139
we went to school that God would never use your

00:37:49.139 --> 00:37:51.119
life. She was told she was a second class citizen.

00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.650
She lived with guilt. She lived with shame. She

00:37:53.650 --> 00:37:55.690
married a guy. She wasn't a Christian. He runs

00:37:55.690 --> 00:37:59.090
off with another woman. She told me I would have

00:37:59.090 --> 00:38:00.730
committed suicide if I didn't have those babies.

00:38:00.909 --> 00:38:04.670
My whole life was in that man. I felt worthless.

00:38:06.250 --> 00:38:08.789
And he said, you don't understand. You are a

00:38:08.789 --> 00:38:13.110
trophy of God's grace. Look at how God has restored

00:38:13.110 --> 00:38:14.989
you and redeemed you. Are you ready for this?

00:38:15.130 --> 00:38:17.230
You know what you do with trophies? You take

00:38:17.230 --> 00:38:20.090
trophies and you put them up on the mantle. And

00:38:20.090 --> 00:38:22.050
you put them on the mantle so people can see.

00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:25.420
this is what God did. And we came home from that

00:38:25.420 --> 00:38:28.400
and she shared with my seven -year -old boy why

00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:31.719
he wasn't in the wedding picture. Shortly afterwards,

00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:34.360
we were called to a church in Santa Cruz and

00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:37.840
my wife is a, I mean, you would not know it now,

00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:40.019
but I mean, was not just an introvert, but super

00:38:40.019 --> 00:38:42.300
shy and getting in front of people was not her

00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:44.679
thing. And we're flying on the plane. She said,

00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:46.360
I want to share my testimony with the church.

00:38:47.219 --> 00:38:50.849
I said, what? And, you know, we went from a fairly

00:38:50.849 --> 00:38:52.329
small church, and for us it was a pretty good

00:38:52.329 --> 00:38:54.929
-sized church, 800 or 900 people. And they had

00:38:54.929 --> 00:38:57.030
a Sunday morning and Sunday night. And I said,

00:38:57.070 --> 00:38:59.170
well, my first message is Sunday morning. You

00:38:59.170 --> 00:39:01.690
want to do Sunday night? She goes, yeah. And

00:39:01.690 --> 00:39:06.030
she got up and told her story. Fifty women lined

00:39:06.030 --> 00:39:08.090
up. If you know anything about Santa Cruz, it's

00:39:08.090 --> 00:39:13.750
drugs, new age, wacky world, broken people. I

00:39:13.750 --> 00:39:16.940
mean, just. And God just put us in the perfect

00:39:16.940 --> 00:39:19.460
place in the world because two very deeply broken

00:39:19.460 --> 00:39:21.880
people went to a place filled with broken people.

00:39:22.059 --> 00:39:24.860
And when she shared her story, they finally said,

00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:30.440
maybe there's hope for me. And so there's hope.

00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:33.000
There's not just hope when everything's okay.

00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:35.400
There's hope when you share your brokenness.

00:39:35.539 --> 00:39:38.340
The second thing that happened at that that was

00:39:38.340 --> 00:39:42.239
critical is I was given an assignment. And I

00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.380
was told to do this. I want you to go home and

00:39:45.380 --> 00:39:48.039
I want you to write out, I want you to add 10

00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:53.000
years to everyone's age. So, okay, I'll be 44.

00:39:54.579 --> 00:39:58.579
Oh, wow, Eric and Jason will be 22. Ryan will

00:39:58.579 --> 00:40:03.320
be 17. Annie will be like 11. And then he says,

00:40:03.380 --> 00:40:06.340
now I want you to think about this is where you're

00:40:06.340 --> 00:40:09.440
at. I want you to visualize you now have two

00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:12.800
kids that I thought. If they're going to go to

00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:18.599
college, I'm putting like $50 a month away. You

00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:21.840
know, they're doing really well, but they've

00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:23.920
got some issues in their life I need to address.

00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:27.599
My little boy, he's going to be 17. That's going

00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:30.900
to make him like a junior or a senior. And while

00:40:30.900 --> 00:40:34.059
10 years from now, I will be this. This is Teresa

00:40:34.059 --> 00:40:40.079
and I. And we literally, it just grabbed me and

00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:43.750
I realized. I'm living so much in every single

00:40:43.750 --> 00:40:48.010
day. I'm not living in a way that is realizing

00:40:48.010 --> 00:40:50.650
where do I want to be in 10 years? Where does

00:40:50.650 --> 00:40:52.989
God want me to be in 10 years? Where do I want

00:40:52.989 --> 00:40:55.210
my marriage to be in 10 years? It was one of

00:40:55.210 --> 00:40:58.269
the biggest aha moments of my whole life. I literally,

00:40:58.449 --> 00:41:01.130
are you, you know what I did? I made a plan.

00:41:02.030 --> 00:41:04.909
I made a plan for my older boys. What am I going

00:41:04.909 --> 00:41:09.000
to do between, you know, like 12 and 22? What

00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:11.360
is it I want them to know? What kind of time?

00:41:11.380 --> 00:41:13.300
What kind of experiences? What am I going to

00:41:13.300 --> 00:41:16.639
do with my son who's 11 or 7 and is going to

00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:18.880
be 17? And what are the things I learned from

00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:22.820
my older boys? And where should we be? This is

00:41:22.820 --> 00:41:24.320
where we're at in our marriage. This was a season

00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:27.079
where we actually got along. The church was growing.

00:41:27.300 --> 00:41:30.199
It was a good season. Wow, what have we done?

00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:32.340
Where do I want our marriage to be in 10 years?

00:41:32.820 --> 00:41:36.900
I would tell you it'll change the course of your

00:41:36.900 --> 00:41:40.639
life. If you would write down, add 10 years to

00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:43.559
everyone in your family and start asking yourself

00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:47.860
those questions, I will tell you, because left

00:41:47.860 --> 00:41:51.940
to yourself, and here's the thing, you think

00:41:51.940 --> 00:41:55.420
you don't have enough time. The number one addiction

00:41:55.420 --> 00:42:00.050
in America is technology. You have time to read.

00:42:00.090 --> 00:42:02.070
You have time to think. You have time to exercise.

00:42:02.190 --> 00:42:04.210
You have time to build relationships. Or you

00:42:04.210 --> 00:42:06.550
can stick your face in this phone and you can

00:42:06.550 --> 00:42:08.789
escape and you can watch movies and you can play

00:42:08.789 --> 00:42:11.670
video games. And for some of you, secretly log

00:42:11.670 --> 00:42:16.530
on to porn. And you can waste your life. Or you

00:42:16.530 --> 00:42:19.550
can come up with a plan. And you can ask for

00:42:19.550 --> 00:42:25.130
help. And you can start being a servant. And

00:42:25.130 --> 00:42:30.909
I will tell you, your... life will be so different

00:42:30.909 --> 00:42:36.949
than everybody else's. And here's the thing that

00:42:36.949 --> 00:42:40.829
this thing and all that media does. It just keeps

00:42:40.829 --> 00:42:43.289
telling you, you don't measure up. You don't

00:42:43.289 --> 00:42:45.750
look right. You don't have the right stuff. And

00:42:45.750 --> 00:42:48.590
if only you had, or if only you could, or if

00:42:48.590 --> 00:42:52.030
only you were. And so it's all negative messages.

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And here's the thing. Some of you are like type

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A, highly focused. wired like me. And some of

00:43:00.860 --> 00:43:03.179
us have gone after some of those things. And

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here's the thing. If you get them in your hand,

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you're going to look at it. It's going to be

00:43:07.099 --> 00:43:09.139
like, remember the rainbow into the pot of gold?

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And you'll look at it and you'll go, as one guy

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told me recently, he said, this is it? I mean,

00:43:18.539 --> 00:43:23.860
this? I mean, I built a company, did $67 million

00:43:23.860 --> 00:43:27.280
last year. I found the beautiful wife. I have

00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:33.900
three kids. This is it? This is as empty? I mean,

00:43:33.900 --> 00:43:40.539
they promised. I'm in shape. It's a Marine. I

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am. I've got what everyone in the world says

00:43:43.139 --> 00:43:45.219
will make you happy. And he says, I looked inside

00:43:45.219 --> 00:43:48.340
of that, and it was a black hole of emptiness.

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And then he had to be driving in the car and

00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:56.550
heard a series about heaven and life. that happened

00:43:56.550 --> 00:43:59.710
to be from living on the edge, God spoke to him

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and he pulled off 101 in California and cried

00:44:02.889 --> 00:44:05.670
like a baby and received Christ. And that was

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the beginning of a completely new life. And what

00:44:09.090 --> 00:44:11.989
I like about him, he went about it like a Marine.

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His poor wife. He said it was bait and switch.

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It really was. He said two years in, he goes,

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my life, my friends, my habits. He said, I learned

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God's word is important. I learned prayer was

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important. A good Bible teaching church is important.

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I got in a small group with my pastor, another

00:44:32.389 --> 00:44:35.630
guy and another guy. Man, my addictions, I addressed.

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She says, two years, we're having dinner. And

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she looked at me and she goes, I don't think

00:44:40.909 --> 00:44:44.130
I even know you anymore. And he said, privately,

00:44:44.210 --> 00:44:47.949
I'm thinking, yes. And yet what she was saying

00:44:47.949 --> 00:44:51.050
was, I married this person. We partied together

00:44:51.050 --> 00:44:55.840
and this was our world. who is this guy? Now,

00:44:55.860 --> 00:44:57.739
you're a great father and you're treating me

00:44:57.739 --> 00:45:01.079
in ways I don't really understand. Kind but weird.

00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:05.559
You're doing things I've never seen you do. And

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here's my point. You got to have a plan. Add

00:45:11.659 --> 00:45:17.019
10 years and then ask yourself, who do you want

00:45:17.019 --> 00:45:19.239
that person to be? What do you want that marriage

00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:22.699
to look like? The second, this is a real practical

00:45:22.699 --> 00:45:24.639
thing because it's like, oh, that's a great big

00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:28.800
picture. Structure. Some of us are very spontaneous.

00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:32.539
Some are very detail -oriented. If you don't

00:45:32.539 --> 00:45:36.000
structure for outcomes, your life will be filled

00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:38.159
with good intentions where you start and fail,

00:45:38.340 --> 00:45:41.960
start and fail, start and fail. In planning as

00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:45.420
a couple, I mean, this week, I mean, I want to

00:45:45.420 --> 00:45:48.099
get down to some real basic things. This is just

00:45:48.099 --> 00:45:51.539
a suggestion. Some of you are great planners,

00:45:51.619 --> 00:45:54.139
way better than me. You have way better ways

00:45:54.139 --> 00:45:56.780
to do this. But for those of you that are sitting

00:45:56.780 --> 00:46:00.920
here thinking, we don't plan. We just react.

00:46:01.179 --> 00:46:04.619
We just respond. Oh, kids need shoes. And by

00:46:04.619 --> 00:46:07.460
the way, if you're like most, the women feel

00:46:07.460 --> 00:46:09.880
a greater responsibility, and they're always

00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:11.820
feeling like, what are we going to do? What are

00:46:11.820 --> 00:46:14.039
we going to do? And they feel like we don't lead

00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:18.500
well when we don't plan. One of the things that

00:46:18.500 --> 00:46:20.980
helped us, I don't know how it works in your

00:46:20.980 --> 00:46:23.900
world, but in my world, usually I get a paycheck

00:46:23.900 --> 00:46:26.219
every two weeks. Some people it's once a month,

00:46:26.300 --> 00:46:28.400
some people once a week. I get a paycheck every

00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:32.340
two weeks and have for whenever. We have a, it

00:46:32.340 --> 00:46:34.039
doesn't have to be blue, we have a blue folder.

00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:37.500
Every bill that comes in goes into that blue

00:46:37.500 --> 00:46:39.460
folder. Even the ones that we pay online, we

00:46:39.460 --> 00:46:42.179
print it out, goes into that blue folder. Every

00:46:42.179 --> 00:46:46.340
two weeks, I sit down with my wife. We have a

00:46:46.340 --> 00:46:51.300
checkbook. and she'll take the part that you

00:46:51.300 --> 00:46:52.980
subtract, and I'll take the part where we write

00:46:52.980 --> 00:46:55.139
the checks. And a lot of them, of course, we

00:46:55.139 --> 00:46:57.679
pay online, and I'll write on the bill, and she'll

00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:00.260
say, okay, I'll do that online. And we go through

00:47:00.260 --> 00:47:03.699
every two weeks, and we do our finances together.

00:47:04.260 --> 00:47:06.820
Here's what you need to learn about money. Money

00:47:06.820 --> 00:47:09.099
is never about money. Money is about values and

00:47:09.099 --> 00:47:15.239
priorities. Every two weeks for 35 years, we've

00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:18.349
had a discussion about, What matters? And a lot

00:47:18.349 --> 00:47:20.789
of times it was, well, we paid our bills and

00:47:20.789 --> 00:47:24.869
now we have $136 to make it through to the next

00:47:24.869 --> 00:47:28.869
two weeks. So we're going to put $78 in the grocery

00:47:28.869 --> 00:47:31.269
envelope. We're going to put $20 in recreation.

00:47:31.750 --> 00:47:34.090
And we're going to put $16 in for gas when you

00:47:34.090 --> 00:47:36.610
could buy gas for cheap. And when the money's

00:47:36.610 --> 00:47:39.230
out of those envelopes, we're done. And we're

00:47:39.230 --> 00:47:41.949
going to stay in the black. And then it was like,

00:47:42.030 --> 00:47:45.139
okay, well. Eric needs shoes and Annie needs

00:47:45.139 --> 00:47:49.940
this. What should we buy when? And, okay, let's,

00:47:49.940 --> 00:47:52.380
the habit is more important than the amount,

00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:54.940
so we're going to save $50 a paycheck. That was

00:47:54.940 --> 00:47:58.699
our big savings plan. And it became a habit.

00:47:59.900 --> 00:48:03.139
The second thing is now we've made those. Then

00:48:03.139 --> 00:48:06.420
we open our calendars and we look at, well, okay,

00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:08.860
what's coming up the rest of this month and next

00:48:08.860 --> 00:48:12.460
month? And we just, we talk about it. Well, you

00:48:12.460 --> 00:48:14.340
know, we got a birthday here where I'm supposed

00:48:14.340 --> 00:48:16.900
to teach here and we're supposed to do that.

00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:19.280
Well, this couple asked us to do that. So what

00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:23.059
are we doing? We're planning our life together.

00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:26.199
Do you realize how many of your arguments are

00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:28.380
about one of you does the checkbook or one of

00:48:28.380 --> 00:48:30.099
you does it online? You don't know where things

00:48:30.099 --> 00:48:32.539
are at. Your conversations about money are called

00:48:32.539 --> 00:48:35.489
arguments. Your conversations about calendar

00:48:35.489 --> 00:48:37.909
are called conflict. Well, why did you do that?

00:48:37.969 --> 00:48:39.369
Why didn't you tell me that? Well, I don't want

00:48:39.369 --> 00:48:41.230
to do that. Well, you always do that. You play

00:48:41.230 --> 00:48:42.909
golf. We didn't play golf. I just went out with

00:48:42.909 --> 00:48:44.789
the girls and I'm sick and tired of you always

00:48:44.789 --> 00:48:46.710
taking our money. Well, you said we were going

00:48:46.710 --> 00:48:49.050
to stay on a budget. We make plans and you never

00:48:49.050 --> 00:48:50.849
stick with them. Does this sound remotely familiar?

00:48:52.230 --> 00:48:59.230
Why? Because I lived them all. Structure. Every

00:48:59.230 --> 00:49:02.969
two weeks, this is how much money we have. Visibility,

00:49:02.969 --> 00:49:05.269
transparency. What are we going to do with it?

00:49:06.269 --> 00:49:08.409
Here's our calendar. At the beginning of every

00:49:08.409 --> 00:49:10.670
week, I mean, we've done this so long, it's informal

00:49:10.670 --> 00:49:13.329
now. Often it'll be over a cup of coffee. So

00:49:13.329 --> 00:49:15.949
what do you have coming up this week? And she'll

00:49:15.949 --> 00:49:19.130
just walk through her week. Tell me all the major

00:49:19.130 --> 00:49:20.829
things coming. Oh, Annie's going to come over

00:49:20.829 --> 00:49:22.750
with the kids in the afternoon. I'm going to

00:49:22.750 --> 00:49:25.369
do this. Well, I've got to travel Tuesday and

00:49:25.369 --> 00:49:28.150
Wednesday and I'll be back. So that kind of messes

00:49:28.150 --> 00:49:30.250
up with our date night. When do you want to do

00:49:30.250 --> 00:49:38.250
that? And it can just... Hope for the long term.

00:49:39.269 --> 00:49:42.909
Hope once a quarter. Hope with your finances

00:49:42.909 --> 00:49:45.730
because you do it together. I am telling you,

00:49:45.789 --> 00:49:50.730
you can be proactive in creating a life that

00:49:50.730 --> 00:49:53.219
you look forward to something this week. You

00:49:53.219 --> 00:49:56.260
look forward to a great time together away. You

00:49:56.260 --> 00:49:58.980
look forward to sitting down and having a plan

00:49:58.980 --> 00:50:01.579
that it may take time, but we can get out of

00:50:01.579 --> 00:50:05.000
debt. Final comment. If you are in a situation,

00:50:05.219 --> 00:50:08.019
I wrote this at the bottom, of crisis of debt

00:50:08.019 --> 00:50:12.079
or counseling or in -laws or addiction, get outside

00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:15.699
help. Get outside help. Pay for whatever it takes.

00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:20.480
I had to. And here's the thing. If this reoccurring

00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:23.579
problem or conflict in your sex life, in your

00:50:23.579 --> 00:50:28.019
finances, debt issues, in -laws, resolving conflict.

00:50:28.380 --> 00:50:30.840
You're smart people. If you could have solved

00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:33.260
it on your own, you would have solved it by now.

00:50:34.059 --> 00:50:40.159
Right? You get outside help. Let me encourage

00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:45.559
you to do that. This is Living on the Edge with

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