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What does it take to have a great marriage? Not

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just an okay one or one that's barely surviving,

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but a relationship that's life -giving and thriving.

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Well, today on Living on the Edge, our Bible

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teacher, Chip Ingram, boils down a lot of the

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advice he's received over the years and wisdom

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from Scripture to three simple practices. Hey,

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I'm Dave Drewy. Thanks for joining us today as

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we pick up in our series, Uninvited Guests, recognizing

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and resisting the attacks on your family. And

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before we get going, let me encourage you to

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download Chip's message notes. They're a great

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resource available for every program. They contain

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Chip's outline, all the scripture he references,

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and more. Check them out under the broadcasts

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tab at livingontheedge .org. Tap listeners, tap

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fill in notes. Well, there's a lot of ground

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to cover today. So here's Chip with today's talk,

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three skills great marriages have in common.

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Thanks so much, Dave. You know, for the last

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two weeks, we talked about lies that we all believe.

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They're embedded in culture, in media, in life,

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in family of origin. Now, what I want to talk

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about this week is three skills that you must

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learn, develop, and practice regularly if you

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want to have a great family. And the key to having

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a great family, the foundation, it always begins

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with a deep intimate marriage. And let's just

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go on record to say that is hard. That is very,

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very challenging. And whether it's busyness or

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we wound one another or we don't understand each

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other, there are three vital skills that you

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must learn. Let me give you what they are. I'm

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going to cover one today. And I'm going to spend

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two broadcasts on the second one and two more

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on the last one. Because you can identify the

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lies and you can try as hard as you want. But

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without these skills, you will never make it.

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Skill number one is learning the skill of forgiving

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your mate. Skill number two is communication.

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I don't mean talking. I don't mean just sharing

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words. I mean... The entire process, the sharing

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of your heart, the actual transfer of what's

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on your mind and your heart and your intent actually

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gets into the mind and the heart of your mate.

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You actually connect. What you mean by what you're

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saying, both with your eyes, with your body language,

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with your tone of voice, and with your actual

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words, crosses this chasm, and your mate actually

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understands. This is what he's saying to me,

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or this is what she's saying to me. And that

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is a lifelong journey and a process, but you

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can learn it. We're going to give you some tools,

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some super practical things to learn to communicate

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this week. The last one is resolving conflict.

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Maybe another way to say it is you have to learn

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to fight fair. We're going to have conflict about

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money, conflict about kids, conflict about sex,

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conflict about in -laws, conflict about schedules,

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conflict about roles, conflict about responsibilities,

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conflict about free time, right? We're going

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to have conflict. Most couples attack the other

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person instead of the problem because they don't

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have a clear plan and they don't know the skill

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of how to resolve conflict. And before I talk

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about skill number one of forgiveness, what I

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want some of you to hear is the most challenging,

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most frustrating time I've ever had in my marriage

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is when I recognized we needed to change. I recognized

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we wanted to have a good marriage. I recognized

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she was trying and I was trying. But no matter

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what I said or what I did, my best efforts actually

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made things worse. instead of better. I got so

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discouraged. I really came to the point, I wondered,

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can this marriage make it? And so I have been

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there. And I want you to know there's hope. This

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series is not about learning more truth about

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marriage or learning more about communication

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and nodding and trying a little something. This

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is about you saying, I'm going to do this. I

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am going to learn to communicate. I'm going to

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go into training. I now know the lies that I

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believe that over time, the enemy will use these.

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In my moments of weakness, my flesh will use

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these. And the world system is designed to use

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these lies to absolutely destroy my marriage.

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The God of the universe wants your relationship

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with your mate. to demonstrate the love of Jesus

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with his church? Perfect? No. Significant? Rich?

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Deep? Fulfilling? Ups and downs, of course. Hard

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seasons? Yes. But an intimacy, a oneness of mind

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and soul and body and spirit and emotions. It's

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not only possible, it's God's will. But we've

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so long believed so many lies, we get off track

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not even knowing. how we got off track. And secondly,

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if you don't have these skills of forgiving and

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communication and resolving conflict, you will

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not be able to get through the hard, rough times

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life will bring. So here we go. Let me spend

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my time with you today talking about forgiveness,

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what it is and what it's not. First, what it's

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not. It's not a magic bullet where you say two

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little words, I'm sorry, and then everything's

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okay. It's also not, I've forgiven them, so I

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guess all the hurt, all the pain, and all the

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struggles, and the same behavior I let happen

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over and over. I'm just a doormat, and I say,

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I forgive you, and I get the same response each

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and every time. No, that's not what forgiveness

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is either. I just say, I'm sorry, I own my part,

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but there's no next steps to deal with things.

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No, that's not forgiveness. Forgiveness has three

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aspects. It's a decision. Number one, it's a

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process. Number two, and it actually is accomplished.

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Number three, the three key words about forgiveness

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is this, I forgive you. The word forgive literally

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in the New Testament has the idea of to release.

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In other words, behind not forgiving is this

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desire that we have to pay people back. And the

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Lord says, vengeance is mine. I will repay. We

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have to come first and foremost, if we're really

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going to forgive, is instead of looking horizontal,

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instead of contemplating the wound, the hurt,

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the betrayal, and I don't in any way diminish

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how painful and how wrong you may have been treated.

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There's times to just process and cry and take

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it to the Lord. That's real. But you can't want

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to hang on to I want to pay them back. I want

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to see them suffer. Someone has wisely said,

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to not forgive another person is like drinking

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poison and believing that it's killing them instead

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of killing you. And some of these are little

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things, right? But for many listening, it's been

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a betrayal. And there's some pain and hurt that

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if you bury, It comes up in passive -aggressive

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type behavior and joking and putting them down

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and doing things that little by little will just

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erode the intimacy and the connection and the

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real love that you long for. People choose not

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to forgive and almost do it unconsciously and

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just figure out how to live in these parallel

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lanes inside the same home. Try to forget everything

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for a while and maybe sex will make it better

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or let's go on a vacation and that will make

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it better or I'll buy something for them and

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that will make it better. But you never get to

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the core of really forgiving the other person.

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And so spiritually, Jesus taught, as we have

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freely been forgiven, so we must freely forgive.

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We know that God is rich in mercy. We know that

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when Jesus hung upon the cross, the just judgment

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for my sin and your sin and the sin of all the

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world was placed on him. God so loved the world

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that he gave his one and only son that whoever

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would believe in him shouldn't perish but have

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everlasting life. And then the next verse talks

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about Jesus didn't come into the world to condemn

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the world but to forgive, to restore. 1 John

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reminds us that when we confess, when we agree

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with God, when we get brutally honest, when we

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confess our sins, he is faithful because of his

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character and just because of what Jesus has

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done to not only forgive us, but cleanse us from

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all unrighteousness. Here's the key. We have

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to give away what we've received. Forgive us

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our sins as we forgive those who've sinned against

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us. Here's the truth about human nature. I want

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justice from everyone else, right? That deep

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-seated, I don't deserve this. That's not fair.

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And yet, from God, I don't want justice. I want

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mercy. Lord, forgive me. I know I lied. Lord,

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forgive me. I know you told me to do this, and

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I didn't do it. Lord, forgive me. You told me

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never to do that, and I went ahead and did it

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anyway. And then afterwards, and here's the consequences,

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and I know I don't deserve it, but forgive me.

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Let me give you a very key passage before I talk

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about how the act forgive, the process forgiving

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and what you actually do in that process, and

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then the finality of forgiven, the evidence that

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it's at peace. You're right with God, and as

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far as it depends on you, you're right with your

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mate. It was a passage that was the turning point

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in my marriage because I felt when I did my part,

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Teresa does her part, and if she doesn't do her

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part, then the problem in our marriage is her.

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Well, then I'll forgive, and I'll do like X,

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Y, and Z. I'll unload the dishwasher. I'll help

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with vacuuming. I'll have one of these little

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conferences where I listen to her, and I make

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eye contact, and I do all this stuff I'm supposed

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to as a husband. Waiting for the transaction,

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well, that means she's going to do. X, Y, and

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Z that says I love you to me, that was a lie

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I believed. And if it didn't happen when or how

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I wanted to happen, then I was resentful and

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bitter. I wasn't really forgiving. I was using

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forgiveness as a means to get what I wanted.

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Listen carefully to the core behind all forgiveness

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is to look to the Lord and what He's done for

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you and what he's done for me, long before we

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even think about trying to release or forgive

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our mates. The most powerful teaching of Jesus

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is in Matthew 18. Peter and the disciples are

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really, really wrestling with this forgiveness,

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like it's so unfair. And so Peter goes way out

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and says, should I forgive my brother like seven

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times? Jesus uses this hyperbole seven times

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70, basically. There's no limit to the forgiveness

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you must give because there's no limit to what

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you've received. And then he tells a parable

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that for me was the turning point. For me, it

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took all that pent -up justice, and I've done

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all these good things, and I'm sure I had a very

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skewed view of myself and Teresa at the time.

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And he tells this story. For this reason, the

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kingdom of heaven may be compared to a certain

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king who wished to settle accounts with his slaves.

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And when he had begun to settle them, they brought

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one to him who owed him 10 ,000 talents. I mean,

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I could give you all the details. A denarius

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was a day's wage, and this was like a hundred

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years of a day's wage. would be one talent. So

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10 ,000, I mean, it's just like you win the lottery

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every single day for maybe a month. So this overwhelming

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amount of money is the point. But since he did

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not have the means to repay, his Lord commanded

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him to be sold along with his wife and his children

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and all that he had and repayment to be made.

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Then the slave falling down prostrated himself

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before him saying, have. patience with me and

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I will repay everything. And the Lord felt compassion

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and released him and forgave the debt. But that

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slave went out and found one of his fellow slaves

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who owed him a hundred nadars, a hundred days

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wages. And he seized him and he began to choke

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him saying, pay back what you owe. So his fellow

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slave fell down and began to entreat him saying,

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have patience with me and I will repay you. But

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he was unwilling and threw him into prison until

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he had paid back what he owed. So when his fellow

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slaves saw what had happened, they were deeply

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grieved, and they came and reported it to their

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lord, all that had happened. Then summoning him,

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his lord said to him, You wicked slave! I forgave

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you all that debt because you entreated me. Should

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you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave,

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even as I've had mercy on you? And his Lord moved

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with anger, handed him over to the torturers

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until he should repay all that he was owed. So

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shall my heavenly Father also do to you if each

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of you do not forgive his brother. And personally,

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I somehow felt justified because I was hurt and

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I was wounded. And by the way, Teresa felt the

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same way. And as a result of that, I would sort

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of say the right words, but I didn't forgive

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in the way God had forgiven me. And the turning

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point came when I recognized how much I had sinned

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and how deeply and merciful God had forgiven

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me and that I could not expect that from God

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if I was unwilling to give that to my wife. And

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then I did that. And I did it unlike I did it

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in the past. I didn't do it with this attitude,

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well, I'm going to forgive her, I'm going to

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release her, and I'm going to do nice things

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for her so that she'll do nice things for me.

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When you forgive with open hands, you must release

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that person, turn them to the Lord, say, Lord,

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you teach them, you help them, I release them

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from the pain inflicted on me. And you do that

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freely. Because they deserve it? No. But it takes

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the resentment out of your heart. It doesn't

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allow bitterness to grow. And so let me give

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you the practical ways to do that. Number one,

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it's a choice. Multiple times I've had to literally

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write down on this day, I choose to forgive one

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of my children or my wife for, and then I write

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down the harsh words she said to me for the,

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we made this plans and then she didn't follow

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through or you write out, I choose to forgive

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and you write it out. It's a declaration, it's

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an act, and you do it on this day and you put

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a date. Then the second part of the process is

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forgiving. And Jesus says that for our enemies,

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he says we're to bless them. That means to want

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good for them, to see God honor their life, bless

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their life, bring them joy, bring good things

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and good circumstances and good people, and we're

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to pray for them that persecute us. How much

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more our mate? And so you bless them without

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thinking of anything in return. You give words

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of life, jot a note. You know what I love you

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means to them, right? And so you not only forgive,

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but then you do the things that bless their life,

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and don't miss this one, and you pray for them.

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And the early prayers for me was, well, change

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her heart, help her be more this way, help her

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be more that way. I was trying to fix her in

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my prayers. But to bless is, Lord, would you

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give her great joy? Would you give her just a

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deep awareness of how beautiful she is in your

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eyes? Lord, would you cause this day to just

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bring joy to her heart? God, would you encourage

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her with, I know that relationship she's really

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struggling with, with one of her parents. Lord,

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would you, and you just begin to pray blessing.

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And by the way, I didn't feel like doing it.

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My wounds were so deep, not that she did terrible

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things, probably me being so overly sensitive,

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I couldn't do it for her. In fact, it was scary

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because my heart had gotten hard. I didn't want

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to be nice to my own wife. I didn't want to say

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nice things. Now, I admit that. Now, by the way,

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I got 46 years under my belt now, and our marriage

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is better than I ever dreamed it could be. Perfect?

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No. Do we still have struggles? Yes. Does she

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still hurt my feelings and I hurt her feelings

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now and then? Yes. But these were the foundational

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things that we learned. And when it was so hard,

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I looked up to God and I said, Lord, I can't

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do it for her right now. And I want you to soften

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my heart, but I'll do it for you. This is my

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act of worship. I'm praying for my wife. I'm

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bringing her before you. God, this is my act

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of worship. These words that are kind. This is

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my act of worship. Without being asked, I'm going

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to take out the garbage. I'm going to vacuum

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the floor. And I'm not going to point out, oh,

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did you notice that I did this or I did that?

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This is my act of kindness. I'm going to say

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words that affirm her inner beauty and how nice

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she looks today and why I'm glad God gave her

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to me as a wife. And I begin to process day after

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day after day blessings. and words of affirmation,

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and acts of kindness, and acts of service. And

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what I can tell you, the person that changed

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immediately was not her. The person that changed

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was me. The bitterness went out of my heart.

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The resentment went out of my heart. I was in

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the process. Now, would she still say something

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or do something? And does that mean I haven't

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forgiven her when those emotions come back? No,

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no, no, no, no. That just means the wound got

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reopened and I need to go back and say, no, I've

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forgiven her for that. Or maybe something new.

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I choose to forgive her for this. Act. I choose

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to forgive. It is a process. I will pray for

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that person and I will bless them with my words

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and my actions. And I don't have to feel like

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it. I'm going to do that as an offering to God.

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And third, when I see and hear something good

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about them, I'll know I've completely forgiven

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them when my heart rejoices. And this is true

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not just in our marriages, but this has been

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true in the most difficult betrayals and relationships

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of anything that I've ever experienced. It's

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what Romans 12 teaches. Bless those who persecute

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you. Bless and curse not. As far as it depends

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on you, be at peace with all men. This starts

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with your view of God's mercy for you. It is

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a skill. I practiced this in a couple relationships

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where I really got betrayed in some ministry.

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And about a year later, I heard something good

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about this person that I did ministry with. And

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I artificially said, oh, yeah, that's great,

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that's great. But in my heart, it was like, boy,

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Lord, that doesn't seem fair after what that

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person did to me. And yet I was praying for blessing

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in his marriage and blessing in his life and

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blessing in his ministry. And it took about two

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years. And I remember hearing something really

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wonderful as God was using his life in a great

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way. And I remember rejoicing and thinking, wow,

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that's so great. And it was like, oh, not only

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is that great, I'm really free. Bless those who

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persecute you. Bless and curse not. As far as

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it depends on you, be at peace with all men.

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Now, in our next broadcast, what I'm going to

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do is I'm going to help you learn how to communicate.

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Not just say words, but really learn to communicate.

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And then later this week, we're going to give

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you a very specific plan about resolving conflict.

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Can you imagine the joy in the heart of Jesus

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as he sees the walls coming down in your marriage?

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emotions coming back of love and encouragement

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and connection. Can you imagine the impact in

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our children's lives as they see a model of two

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people that are in love after five years, 10

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years, 25 years, 31 years, whatever the number.

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After ups and downs or even maybe after a hurt

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or an argument where there's a sitting down and

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a sharing and an honest confession and a praying

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with one another and a crying together and a

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coming back together, we're all human. We all

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will mess up. But God is loving and kind and

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merciful and forgiving. And he wants to communicate

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with us through his word and we talk with him.

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He wants us to be involved in community where

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we get support to do these things I'm talking

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about. I can't do anything that I'm teaching

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you or that I have shared without the support

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of brothers in my life that I can share these

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things with honestly, or my wife having sisters

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in her life where she can go through this journey

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with them and come and be the kind of wife that

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I need and I can be the man that she needs. Can

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I encourage you? Make. your marriage, apart from

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your relationship with Jesus, your highest priority.

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In the decades to come, if the Lord does not

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return, it will be so much more important than

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your work, so much more important than your kids'

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grades, so much more important than what other

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people think. The foundation of culture and society

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and life is our relationship with God, number

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one. and our relationship with our mates where

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we give evidence of the beauty of the body of

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Christ connected to our head Jesus. And we model

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that in our marriages in a way where the love

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of God and the kindness of God and the beauty

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of life and relationships can be exhibited through

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one man and one woman deeply in love, choosing

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to sacrificially put the needs of the other first.

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It's an amazing, beautiful strategy and plan

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that the King and Creator of the universe has

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made. Don't miss out on it. to live like Christians.

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And right now, for those who choose to become

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monthly partners, we'll send you our newest resource,

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here. This is Dave Drewy, thanking you for listening

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to this edition of Living on the Edge. And I

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