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How do you know if you really know God or you

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just know a lot about God? Today we'll learn

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four tests where you can know how deeply and

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authentically you actually know God. Stay with

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me. Thank you for being with us for this edition

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of Living on the Edge with Chip Ingram. Chip

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serves as our Bible teacher for this global teaching

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and discipleship ministry, helping Christians

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develop an authentic faith. Well, in just a minute,

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we'll continue our series, The Real God, as Chip

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asks a pretty straightforward question. Is your

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perception of God too small? Chip's insights

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today really lay the groundwork for what we'll

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study the rest of this series. So let's not waste

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any more time. Here now is Chip with the second

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half of his talk, Seeking God. There's two big

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idols that I want to touch on that I think have

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infiltrated Bible -believing evangelical Christianity.

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The first one is what I would call Happiness

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and self -fulfillment. The awesome God that spoke

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the galaxies into existence sent God the Son

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on a rescue mission to explain him, to redeem

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mankind, to forgive us of our sin, to restore

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relationship and build a bridge, bring people

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to himself, and that he would actually be God

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and we would be followers, or the word is disciples,

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to take that ministry and mission and he would

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be the creator and we're the creatures. And we

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would obey Jesus and follow him as his spirit

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in the new covenant living inside of us. And

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we would be on this mission together to fulfill

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God's will. And he would be the focus. That was

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the game plan. But somewhere along the line,

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we flipped it. And it was, Jesus is my self -help

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genie and guru. And there's a Christian way that

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if I read the Bible and if I pray, go on a short

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-term missions trip, you get extra points if

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you give beyond 10%. Go to religious activities

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and try and be a little bit more moral than other

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people. The promise is you'll have a marriage

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that's out of sight with no problems. Your kids

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are all going to turn out great. You're going

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to be upwardly mobile. They're going to get into

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the very best schools. If other people get cancer,

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you won't. You're going to have amazing prosperity.

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God's going to bless you financially. And Jesus'

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role in your life and the formula is that his

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goal is to make you happy. Because what really

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matters is are you happy? Are you fulfilled?

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So much so that if some of the commands of Bible

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or some of the challenges in your life threaten

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to make you happy, you redo your theology and

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we do our theology and say, this couldn't be

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God's will because God wants to make me happy.

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I remember we did a series at Living on the Edge

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called Love, Sex, and Lasting Relationships and

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became one of our real well -received small groups.

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Then a book came out of it. So when you do that,

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usually you're on these, like two or three days,

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you do these radio kind of talk shows and people

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call in and they talk about that stuff. And this

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lady said, well, I hear what you're saying. I

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hear what you're saying, but I just want you

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to know, I believe in God and I love Jesus so

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much. You know, Jesus really loves me, but I'm

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just, I, we've lost the love in our marriage.

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And I said, well, I mean, has your husband committed

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some? immoral. Oh, no, no, no. He's okay. But

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you know what? I just want you to know that I

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know God wants me to be happy. So I'm divorcing

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him and I'm divorcing him because I can't see

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the next 10 years. These challenges are just

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too hard. God wants me to be happy. And, you

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know, then I sort of gave her a number of. kind,

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clear passages about he certainly, as a byproduct

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of obeying him, wants us to have joy and happiness.

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But actually, you made a covenant and made a

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covenant with God. And, you know, these are pretty

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normal times we all go through. But I will tell

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you is in the evangelical church, the divorce

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rate is no different than outside. And by the

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way, I mean, just please, if you're sitting here

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going, my wife is divorced. There are biblical

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divorces. My wife was an unbeliever, married

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a guy. He started selling drugs. He ran away

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with another woman. She wanted it to work. And

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after two years, and you know, God can redeem

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and take things. But the great majority of divorces

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in our day are not about that. It's, you know,

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irreconcilable differences. It's hard, it's difficult,

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it's painful. Hello? And guess what? The second

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one is hard and difficult and painful. And the

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third one is harder and more difficult and painful.

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And honestly, here's the thing. We think that

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the whole goal of marriage is self -fulfillment,

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redefining. Guess what? It's to make you holy.

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The purpose of marriage is that the people could

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see the covenant of a man and a woman worked

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out in the flesh with the ups and downs and struggles,

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and so they could see what Jesus and the church

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looks like. It's a testimony. Other than the

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body of Christ, it's the most powerful visual

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that God has for his relationship with his church.

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So as I obey that, yes, there's a byproduct of

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joy and connection, but we've turned everything

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on its head. And so life really becomes about,

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am I happy? Am I self -fulfilled? And then all

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of a sudden, we've got this prosperity stuff

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everywhere, and we have disillusioned Christians.

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Because guess what? You can have your quiet time,

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read the Bible, give above 10%, go on a short

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-term missions trip, and a drunk driver hits

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one of your kids. Or your wife gets cancer. Or

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you save and save and save and faithful and serve

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and serve and serve and it's a fallen world and

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you saved and these are going to be the sunset

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years and you're 68 and in great health and someone

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gets cancer and is gone in three months and it's

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like, what? What happened to the formula, Jesus?

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Here's what it is. You owe me, God. You owe me

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happiness. You owe me a future. You owe me this.

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You know why? Because we're claiming all kind

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of promises that aren't in Scripture. When's

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the last time you heard a Christian claim this

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promise? For all those who desire to live a godly

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life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. Oh yeah,

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that's the plaque in the bathroom. Or how about

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Philippians 1? For to you, for to you it has

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been granted. not only to believe in him, but

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to suffer for his sake. Experience the same conflict

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which you see and hear to be in me that I'm presently

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suffering. The Apostle Paul, what a joy, right?

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See, American Christians, it's like, what? I

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sat across the table from a house church undercover

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pastor in Hong Kong who came out to do some work

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and go to a seminar. And on his last trip out,

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his wife was beaten by the police. And she claimed

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to be the pastor so he wouldn't get in trouble

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and none of the other people. And I mean, she

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was beat to a pulp and I'm at the edge of my

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seat in my mind thinking, man, I don't know if

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I could be very Christian with those police when

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I got home, you know. I sting like a butterfly,

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you know. And I'm getting mad for this pastor.

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And then he gets to the end where I'm thinking,

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you know, in my good American Western Christianity,

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man, I know it would be sinful to do something

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really wrong, but I want to take him out. And

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then with tears in his eyes, he looks at me and

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goes, can you imagine that our God gave us the

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privilege to suffer for him even as he suffered

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for us? And I was thinking, embarrassingly, actually,

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I didn't say this. That thought never crossed

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my mind. It never entered my mind. that we get

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to enter into the suffering, that the goal would

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be intimacy with God, that the goal would be,

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we say it, glory for God, that the goal would

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be that God would take the difficulty and the

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pain of a difficult marriage or a hurting child

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or a physical disability or a downward economy

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or the upside down house. And that the real goal

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is that God would meet you in ways that your

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friends, your neighbors, your family could be.

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completely aghast at what holds you up inside

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because those circumstances crushed everyone

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else. Because see, he's God. He's a kind God,

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but it's a fallen world. Where I live, I'm sure

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it's not where you live, but I see great Christian

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families that you would think that the goal in

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life is to have your kids in as many activities

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as possible. to be in the car most of the time,

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to figure out how not to eat together almost

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ever, not tuck your kids in bed and don't teach

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them the Bible, but they made the traveling team.

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Now, don't get me wrong. I love sports. God paved

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my way through school and sports. I've coached

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my kids, but we, I've just, I mean, is there

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like ESPN 45 channels now or something? I mean,

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It has become a cult movement. I mean, we don't

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even care about the games anymore. It's just

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my fantasy team. Even think of the focus of...

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Forgive me, Lord. But the self -focus of it doesn't

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even matter what teams play. I just choose people

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that I'm coordinating. He got hurt. Nah, take

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him off my team. The trivia of life. See, here's

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what I want you to know is if we get a... clear

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view of the real God, some of the things that

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we have slowly, slowly, slowly come accustomed

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to and think is normal as Christians would shock

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us. And one is the idol of happiness and self

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-fulfillment. The other idol, I think, is what

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I call the salad bar approach to Christianity.

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And the way it goes is something that we're seeing

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in Bible -oriented churches now. And it's like,

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God had a good day when he gave the Ten Commandments.

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Just not a great day. Eight out of ten are good.

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Now you get to choose which two you don't like.

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In our day, you know this one about adultery

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or sexual purity? I think that was very old -fashioned.

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It was probably for the community of that time.

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And in our more existential, wiser way, I don't

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think that really applies today. Oh, this one,

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oh no. We don't, oh yes, no. That thing about

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greed. Greed is good. He obviously hadn't seen

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the movie. We'll cut that one out. And we have

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taken the Bible and we've decided selectively

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which parts are true, which parts are not true,

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instead of it being the authority. And we've

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created it around a lifestyle and an American

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dream vision. And we have taken a book. remove

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the God of authority and the God that is holy

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and the God who loves us and the God who wants

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our best. And we have basically said, how again

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can this? And so when you decide what's true

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and what's not true, there's a new God on the

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throne and it's you. I mean, it's massive across

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America right now. We have tens of thousands

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of people flocking to services. where part of

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the Bible is taught as though it's some sort

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of a positive thinking self -help manual. Instead

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of the holy creator of the universe sent his

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son and that he's asked us to join him in a mission

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to rescue people off this world called the Titanic

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that's sinking. And we have the only hope and

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that needs to be our priority. And by the way,

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By the way, as that's your priority and he is

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Lord and as you serve him, he is so kind and

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so generous that the byproduct is very, very

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often an amazingly deep intimate marriage. The

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byproduct is a level of joy regardless of circumstances.

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The byproduct is that your kids will see that

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and catch the vision and probably follow in your

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steps. But it's a byproduct. And so what happens

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is when you make the means the end, it becomes

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an idol. It's what happened, I believe, with

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Abraham. Why would God ask Abraham to give his

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son? I mean, you wait 100 years for something,

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you think that by 1213, the kid kind of was an

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idol? So anytime we worship an idol, two things

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happen. The idol can't deliver and we take God

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out of the equation in our life. So the whole

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point of Abraham giving Isaac was for his good

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to free his heart. Isaac can't deliver fulfillment.

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Isaac can't fulfill my will. Isaac is a gift.

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It's to steward. Children are a gift from the

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Lord. And so that moment for him to take Isaac

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up was a moment of lordship to believe that he

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could trust what? God's word. And Hebrews 11

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says what? He went there believing that though

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he slay him, he would rise. And you know, we

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might as well just start this time off together.

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just ask yourself before you hit the pillow,

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do I have any Isaacs? And usually they're good

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things. It's a good job. It can be a great marriage.

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It can be one of your kids. Heck, it can be ministry,

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believe me. So what we want to do is we want

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to pause and say, okay, Lord, I... I know that

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you're not like me. I know that I will reduce

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you to manageable terms. And third, God can only

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be known as he reveals himself to us. And he

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does that in three ways. And these will develop

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throughout the whole time. But let me give them

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to you. The first way God reveals himself to

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us is through nature. Psalm 19, one says, the

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heavens declare the glory of God. The skies proclaim

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the work of his hands. Day after day, they pour

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forth speech. Night after night, they reveal

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knowledge. One of the things I do, I just like

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to get up early. It's just worked for me. And

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so it's always dark. And often when I get up,

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you know, that's when I spend time with God and

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my warped personality. Sometimes I think of all

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the things I've got to do and I start feeling

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pressure. And so I usually list the things I'm

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thankful for to get my perspective. And then

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I'll write a little box in my journal and I'll

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put a box and then I'll write and I'll turn the

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pressure into a prayer request. And some of them,

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sometimes I have like 8, 10, 12 going, oh my

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gosh, and that's just today. And then I often

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get that second cup of coffee and I'll go outside.

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And when I go outside and I just look at all

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these stars. And I just look at my little boxes,

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all those stars. And I just think, men have been

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looking at these for thousands of years. You

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hold, you know, every name. This is just the

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Milky Way. There's only a billion stars. Only

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a billion. And you know all their names. By the

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word of your power, you're holding them right

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now. Outside the Milky Way, there's between 200

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and 300 billion galaxies. I'm going to cast my

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care upon you because you care for me. You're

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an all -powerful God. And yet, you care about

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one little guy in California named Chip. And

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you know I feel those pressures. And you're committed

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to giving me the grace to either say yes, to

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say no, or to do whatever you want me to do.

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So I'm going to go back inside. And I'm just

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going to remember who I'm really talking to.

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And sometimes it's three minutes. Sometimes it's

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ten. And then I go back. And I say, okay, Lord,

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what do you want me to do? What do you not want

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me to do? What could someone else do? And then,

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okay, I know these. Okay, I've got to record

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this video and prepare me. I need to have a hard

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conversation. And it just changes. It just changes.

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When's the last time you were out in nature and

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saw it? The theologians call it general revelation.

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In Romans 1, the apostle Paul would say, we're

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all without excuse because from the stars and

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the balance of nature and the mystery and the

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harmony of nature alone, God's invisible attributes,

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his eternal existence and his very character

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is revealed. What kind of a God has a bird that

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lays an egg here and flies thousands and thousands

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of miles way over to here and a year later drops

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an egg 12 inches from the same spot? What kind

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of a God has GPS into whales that travel in crisscross?

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What kind of a God has 600 different kinds of

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beetles? He's a God of variety, a God of beauty,

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a God of power, a God of love, a God of design.

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But you know what? He can just be the God of,

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help me get through this. God, I need a parking

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spot. Help it to be on sale. Yeah, I mean, go

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to some of our prayer meetings. You know, they're

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like anatomy meetings. Help Ethel's toe. Help

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Bob's shoulder. Help George's ear. Help him clean

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out the Alvin Bob. It's a second time through.

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If you listen to us pray, you would think, honestly,

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what we really feel like is I can only pray about

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things I think I can control. And since God is

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obviously unaware of all this, what I'm trying

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to do is take this awesome, powerful God and

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bring him into my little world to get him to

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do what I think he ought to do. then listen to

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how the Apostle Paul prays. I pray that the eyes

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of your heart might be enlightened. I pray that

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you might grasp the height and depth and length

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and breadth to know the love of Christ that surpasses

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knowledge. I pray that God would give you insight

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into his will, that you could discern good from

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evil in order that you might walk in a manner

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worthy of him. I pray that you would understand

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the depth of his love for you. How precious of

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an inheritance you are to him and the power that

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dwells within you. I pray that you might be filled

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with the knowledge of his will. I mean, those

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prayers in Philippians 1 and Philippians 3 and

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Ephesians 3 and Philippians and Colossians. I

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mean, I'm not the apostle Paul and you're not

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the apostle Paul. But wow, it sure seems like

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he's asking not so much about tactical things.

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And I don't think it's wrong. I pray for tactical

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things. But I think he actually believes that

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if people could see God for who he is, if people

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could be aligned, if God would reveal himself

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and they would be open, they would follow his

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will, all those tactical things would probably

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get taken care of. The second way he reveals

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himself is through his word. John chapter one,

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in the beginning was the word and the word was

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with God and the word was God. He was in the

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beginning with God. Through him, all things were

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made and without him, nothing was made that has

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been made. And him was life and the life was

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a light of the world. I mean, I love, you might

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just, in your notes, I think I put Hebrews 1.

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It's one of my favorite passages. In times past,

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God has spoken to us through the prophets and

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the apostles. But in this last days, he's spoken

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to us through his son, who is the icon, the exact

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image or representation of the father. It's the

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picture of if you took a piece of putty and you

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took like a silver dollar or something like that,

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and if you pressed it into the piece of putty

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and then pulled it out real carefully, you have

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the exact image, right? That's the word. Jesus

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is the exact image. Colossians 2, all the fullness

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of the Godhead dwelt in Christ. See, if you really

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want to know what God is like, it's Jesus. The

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very last night, right? He wants the disciples

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to stay on track. And he's talking to them and

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he's preparing them. And it's really encouraging

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because they're really slow, which gives me a

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lot of hope. And he talks to them. Well, you

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know the way I go except to Thomas. You know

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what? Lord, this is the Ingram translation. I

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think you're talking in circles, candidly, Jesus.

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I really don't know the way and I don't really

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get it. And Jesus said, Thomas, I'm the way.

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And the truth and the life, no man comes to the

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Father except by me. And then Philip, frustrated,

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Lord, it'll be enough. Just show us the Father

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and it'll be enough. Philip, how long have I

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been with you? If you've seen me, you've seen

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the Father. You're listening to Living on the

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Edge, and Chip will be back in just a minute

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to finish today's talk. But quickly, I want to

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remind you that this program is only possible

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So if you'd like to support us, go to livingontheedge

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for doing whatever God leads you to do. Well,

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let's rejoin Chip now for the remainder of his

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message. If you want to know how does your image

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of God, How does God respond when you really

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mess up, when you do something that's willful,

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malicious, sinful, shameful, you wish you hadn't

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done it and you feel terrible about it and you're

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coming to God? How will God treat you exactly

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the way he did the woman caught in adultery?

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If you want to know how God thinks of you and

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how he'll relate to you, when, you know, some

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of those times where you feel like, man, I'm

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reading the Bible, kind of got the quiet time

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going. We gave a little extra money to missions.

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I think I'm feeling pretty holy. Then the way

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he feels about you is Jesus with the Pharisees.

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If you know when your heart is hungry and you

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don't know the direction and you wish you knew

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what to do and you're messing up but you're making

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progress and you say, Lord, would you just help

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me? It's how Jesus related to the disciples.

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Did you realize he never got mad at them? One,

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only issue. All the gospels, only one thing.

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Oh, you have little. God's agenda is so simple,

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we make it so complicated. Here's his agenda.

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Trust me. Trust me in the hard marriage. Trust

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me with your kid. Trust me with your money. Trust

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me with the decision. I've got a little question

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that I write down in hard situations. Question,

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what does it look like to trust God in this situation?

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Not how do I fix it? Not God, will you do this,

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this, this, and that? What's it look like to

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trust God in this marriage, in this decision,

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in this financial loss, in this hard conversation

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coming up? Because here's the thing, without

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faith, it's impossible to please him. You can

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build a ministry, you can build a business, you

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can have a decent looking family without faith.

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You just can't please God. The heart of what

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it means to be a follower of Jesus. is to trust

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him. And you can't trust someone you don't know.

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You only trust people that this is their character.

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This is their track record. And over and over

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and over, all the lessons to the disciples were

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what? You can trust my word because when you

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see my word, it's always faithful. So many of

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the miracles, why did he do them the way he did

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them? When he wanted to calm the sea, what'd

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he do? He spoke. I mean, he could have done hand

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signs. When the little girl was dead, how did

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he? He didn't touch her. Little girl, I say to

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you, arise, bam, see, come, demon, come out.

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If I'm a disciple, what I'm thinking, I'm not

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sure about this guy, but whatever he says, you

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can trust it. And that's for us. So he reveals

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himself through nature, through his word, and

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ultimately through Jesus. No man has seen God

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at any time. John 1 tells us, the word became

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flesh and dwelt among us. We beheld his glory.

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Glory is the only one. And then he says to us,

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no man has seen God at any time, but he has explained

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him. The word is exegeted. Jesus explained the

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father. You want to know what God's like? It's

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Jesus. That's why I think it's no matter where

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we're reading in the Bible, don't go too far

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away from the gospels. I've got a buddy, he's

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a Bible -aholic. He's my hero when it comes to

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the Bible. I've never been around it. We went

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overseas together when I was young and he was

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the first guy that started memorizing small books

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of the Bible. And every time I'm with Glenn,

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and he goes, Chip, I just learned something.

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What? He says, no matter where you're reading,

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you ready for this? What? If you just read just

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like three chapters, just three chapters in the

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gospel. I mean, can you imagine? Only three chapters.

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If you read three chapters every day in the gospels,

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you can get through the gospels. 15 times in

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a year. Can you imagine 15 times you really see

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Jesus? I'm thinking, Glenn, you're still blowing

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me away. But what he's saying is, no matter what

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we're doing, Jesus is the focus. Jesus is the

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focus. Get to know Jesus, you get to know God.

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Okay, the big question. And this is the one we'll

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impact in our time together. What must I do to

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see the real God as he is? What must I do to

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see the real God as he is? The answer is seek

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him. Seek him. Jeremiah 29, 11. Follow along

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as I read. For I know the plans that I have for

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you, declares the Lord. Plans to prosper you

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and not to harm you. God's not the force, he's

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personal. Plans to give you a hope and a future.

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The God that you're talking to wants to give

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you hope. deep in your soul and a future. And

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he understands. Then you will call on me and

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you will come and pray to me and I will listen

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to you and you will seek me and you will find

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me. What's the condition? When you seek for me

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with all your heart. And then all I can say is

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it's almost mind boggling. God says, I'll be

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found of you. I'll be found of you. This isn't

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for superstar Christians. This isn't just for

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people who went to Bible school or seminary.

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This isn't people who are smarter than the rest

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of us. Jesus would make the same statement. Seek

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and you'll find, right? Knock and the door will

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be opened. Ask, seek, knock. He wants to meet

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you, but here's the deal. How? How do you seek

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God where you really know him? It's not through

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external religiosity. It's not through just intellectual,

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cognitive information about him. There is a way

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to seek God and the wisest person who ever lived,

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Solomon, lines out for us. Notice what he says

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in Proverbs 2. I've put it in your notes. My

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son, if you will receive my words and treasure

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my commandments within you, put a little arrow

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and write initiative in God's word. You will

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never find a man or woman that knows God deeply

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that isn't a man or a woman in this book. Treasure

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his commandments. Receive his sayings. Second,

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make your ear attentive to wisdom. Incline your

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heart to understanding. Put a little arrow and

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write teachable attitude. This isn't like, oh,

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I would like to understand the outline of the

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book of Philippians. Oh, I want to understand

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what's the major themes of the Pentateuch. Oh,

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I have a reading program. I read three chapters

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a day to keep the devil away. No, no, this is

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God. I want you to speak to me. This is me. I

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got questions. I got issues. I got struggles.

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I'm going to open your word. I want you to speak

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to me in specific ways because here's the deal.

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If you'll speak, I'll obey. That's when God speaks.

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I don't want to become a smarter sinner. I'm

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going to become a more obedient son or daughter.

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So I'm going to read this, and I don't understand

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it all, and I may not understand it all, but

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I want you to speak to me. I have a teachable

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spirit. Incline your heart to understanding.

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Third, for if you cry for discernment, lift your

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voice for understanding. Put a little arrow and

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write passionate prayer. Passionate prayer. It's

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the kind of prayer God answers. This isn't, no,

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no. Lord, it's good to pray. Our Father who art

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in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom

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come. I might've missed a couple. Now I let me

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down to sleep. Something about my soul to keep.

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Catch you later. I'm getting deep. This is the

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kind of prayer when you got a kid in ICU and

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the doctor says, I don't know if he's going to

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make it. This is the kind of prayer when your

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wife or your husband, positive results. It's

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cancer and it's serious. How do you pray? No

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little foreign prayers. You bury your heart before

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God. God, I'm asking you, would you intervene?

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Save my boy. God, I'm serious. You know, God,

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search my heart. If there's something between

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us, let me know. But it's passionate prayer.

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It's cry out to God. God wants to hear from you.

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This isn't religious people. This is people who

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long to know God. Notice it says, if you seek

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for her, speaking of this wisdom, this knowledge

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of God, as silver in search of her as for hidden

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treasure, look at the result. Then. Purpose clause,

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you'll discern the fear of the Lord and discover

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the knowledge of God. Circle, discover. You won't

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get it from a preacher. You won't get it from

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a book. You won't get it from someone else. You

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will discover you want God to speak to you. And

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he wants to speak through his word and he wants

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to speak through his spirit. And yes, he speaks

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through people. But Solomon is saying, as you

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dig in, as you make it a priority, he'll speak.

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He wants to speak. Next to the one where it says

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seeker for silver, write priority. Priority.

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Write first priority. If I told you right now

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that, and if you have a really big backyard,

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then just limit it to like 30 feet out and across.

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If you have a small backyard, this illustration

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works. If I told you that in your backyard, While

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you were here, a $10 million was buried in your

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backyard. We've re -sodded everything. You have

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no idea where to look. It's only six feet deep.

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You have three days to find it. From the moment

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you get home, you have three days. If you don't

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find it in three days, it will be returned to

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me. Now, you get home. Your three days starts

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the moment you hit the driveway. I can't quite

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imagine you going, well, you know, that NFL season

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has started. I think I'll look for it a little

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bit later. But, you know, it's a big game. Cowboys

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are playing. Pittsburgh Steelers, you know, love

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them. You know, I think it is Sunday afternoon.

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You know, naps are really important on Sunday

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afternoon. I think I'll take a nap. Or I'll start

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tomorrow. I can't start tomorrow because the

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kids have a ball game tomorrow. I have the ladies'

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luncheon in the afternoon. Gosh, I just... Is

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that what you do? You know what? Some of you,

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some of you would be buying shovels at Ace Hardware

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on the way home. And some of you are high -tech.

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Shovels? Are you kidding me? The backhoe will

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be delivered at 4 .35 p .m. And then this, you

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knock down the fence and this backhoe's digging

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up your whole backyard. Your neighbors, what

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are you doing, man? You're messing up our yard.

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What are you doing? Hey, forget it. I'll buy

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you a new backyard in about three days. You wouldn't

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care. What if you had, if you would have that

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kind of passion for $10 million in your backyard,

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what if you had that kind of passion to know

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God, that you would receive his commands? That

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would incline your heart to understanding. That

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you would cry out with passionate prayer and

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that you would seek it as for silver and as for

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hidden treasure. Then, here's the promise. Then,

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not someone else, you will discern. First of

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all, the fear of God. You'll learn he ain't your

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buddy. He's God. And then in these great words

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of Tozer again, the great paradox of the faith

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is that you will be afraid and in awe. And yet

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because of Jesus, fearful, but not be afraid

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to come. And come to the heavenly father who's

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eager to be your friend. You're listening to

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Living on the Edge with Chip Ingram, and the

00:33:33.460 --> 00:33:36.359
message you just heard, Seeking God, is from

00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:39.299
our series, The Real God. In just a minute, Chip

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will give us some helpful application from today's

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talk. But right now, Chip's here in studio to

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share a brief word with all of you. Chip? Thanks

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so much, Dave. Hey, I want to take just a minute

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to ask you something really important. If you've

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been impacted by this ministry, would you please

00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:57.519
pray about partnering with Living on the Edge

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in a new way right now? Nearly everything we

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do is dependent on contributions from partners

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like you. Our ability to reach people through

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radio, online, or our app, sharing and developing

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small group resources, providing broadcasts that

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are international in Asia and the Middle East

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and literally dark places around the globe. Please

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pray how you might be able to come alongside

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and be a partner to Living on the Edge. to help

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us reach people with the truth of God's word.

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Thank you in advance for whatever God leads you

00:34:30.300 --> 00:34:33.130
to do. Thanks, Chip. As you've heard, God has

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called this ministry to help Christians live

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like Christians, both here in the U .S. and internationally.

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So if you'd like to help us fulfill that mission,

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we'd love to have you join the team by becoming

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a monthly partner. Set up a regular monthly gift

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888 -333 -6003. That's 888 -333 -6003 or go to

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livingontheedge .org. You see, as we learn today,

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it really is possible to see God, to know Him.

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Exhaustively? No. Accurately? Yes. How? By the

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Spirit of God dwelling in you. The Holy Spirit

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enlightened your mind so that you can understand

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and see God for who He is. That's why the first

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step to seeing God is becoming a believer or

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a follower in Christ. And then once you're in

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the family, this is so critical, you must get

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to know Him. You must see Him accurately. And

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we learned today there's three ways that God

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reveals Himself. Number one, through nature.

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Number two, through his word, the Bible. And

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number three, through Jesus. So let me ask you,

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are you seeing God clearly? And if your immediate

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response is, well, I don't know. Gosh, I'm not

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sure. Well, let me ask you this. Are you in the

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Bible on a regular basis? I don't mean because

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you ought or should or you feel guilty. I mean,

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are you in the Bible with a heart that says,

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Lord, I want to know you? Holy Spirit, open my

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eyes. Let me see your glory and your love and

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your holiness and your kindness. Let me see you

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as you are. You see, being in the scriptures

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is critical. Second, and I'm making a little

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challenge here because I think we as evangelicals

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often miss this first one, nature. Are you spending

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any time, do you plan any time at all to look

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for God in nature, to catch his majesty and his

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beauty and his holiness. Just the other morning,

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I tend to get up a little bit early in the morning

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and so it's dark. And I got out and I opened

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my car door and I just started to get in and

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I glanced up. And when I glanced up, the moon

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was, I mean, awesome. And there were all these

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stars. And I did something I rarely do. I mean,

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it was 30 seconds. I shut the door. I leaned

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against my car. And I thought, the God who made

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all those stars made me. The God who has the

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power to call out the starry host one by one

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knows my name, knows what's going to happen today,

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and he loves me and has revealed himself to me

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through Christ. Can I encourage you? Why don't

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you take a walk in nature? If you're near the

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ocean, go look at it. Find something beautiful

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and remember that God wants to reveal himself

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to you. Seek him. That's a really practical step

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we can do today. Thanks, Chip. Well, from all

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of us here, I'm Dave Drewy, thanking you for

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listening to this edition of Living on the Edge,

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and I hope you'll join us again next time.
