If you wanted to change the world, where would
you start? Politics? Education? The economy?
You'd probably gather experts, set up panels,
call a global summit. Some might appeal to the
billionaires. Most of us would probably overlook
the most obvious answer of all. Start with the
moms. Mothers are the single most influential
force on the planet economically, spiritually,
culturally, domestically. They shape financial
markets, mold values, pass down belief systems,
drive social behavior, and uplift entire communities
from the inside out. But here's the wild part.
Most of that influence goes unrecognized. It's
quiet, unpaid, unacknowledged, and yet it's everywhere.
Funny enough the experts already know this more
on that later This episode is all about the often
hidden power the kind of power that doesn't scream
or campaign It just changes everything starting
in kitchens carpool lines and bedtime prayers
Society might think it knows what mothers do
But what if the most world -shifting work isn't
happening in boardrooms or on ballot boxes? What
if it's happening right now? in the most unexpected
places. Let's talk about the fierce influence
of moms. Motherhood is history's greatest untold
story. It's built empires, fueled revolutions,
and pushed the boundaries of science. And yet,
because it happens in quiet rooms, behind closed
doors it's been left out of the grand narrative.
But make no mistake, motherhood is not just tenderness.
It's raw, unrelenting, a force that tears you
apart and remakes you over and over again. It's
blood, bone, love, and sheer will. This isn't
a story about sacrifice. It's a story about power,
about what it means to become a mother, and what
it means to never stop becoming. This is Bloodlines
and Backbone. There's a moment in the movie air
that's the Michael Jordan movie. Maybe you've
seen it where Dolores Jordan, played by a transcendent
Viola Davis, has a phone call with the Nike executive
and quietly rewrites the rules of sports marketing
history. Michael will get a percentage of the
revenue of the sale of each shoe that is sold.
I'm sorry? Not all Nike shoes, just the ones
with his name on them. Her son Michael Jordan
is on the verge of signing the deal that will
change basketball branding and billion -dollar
sneaker culture forever. And in that moment,
it's not his agent, not his lawyer, not his coach.
It's his mother who says he deserves a piece
of every shoe that bears his name. This was completely
unheard of. An impossible request. Keep in mind,
Michael Jordan wasn't Michael Jordan yet. No
one knew he'd be the GOAT. Well, one person knew.
because moms know everything. But he gets a piece
of the revenue of the shoe and all future Air
Jordan shoes. The shoe is just a shoe until my
son steps into it. I love this scene because
it's the moment you realize this movie isn't
really about basketball or sneakers. It's about
a mother's belief. and how it can change the
course of history. It's a perfect illustration
of the type of influence moms have. Dolores Jordan
doesn't raise her voice. She doesn't posture.
She doesn't need a title. But her calm, confident,
inner knowing made Michael Jordan the richest
athlete of all time. See, a mom's influence is
not just confined to the household or her parenting.
It's directly connected to monumental economic
outcomes. It's been widely reported that moms
control 85 % of household purchases and influence
up to $3 .8 trillion in annual spending just
in the United States. That's more than Italy,
Canada, or France's individual GDPs. If moms
were a country, their spending would make them
one of the largest economies in the world. No
formal cabinet, no flashy campaign slogans. Just
juice boxes, school shoes, therapy co -pays,
and a sixth sense for what's running low in the
fridge. How is it that economists, financial
strategists, the World Bank, and Wall Street
aren't talking about this? To understand the
depth of this economic influence, we sat down
with Katherine Winch, the CEO of the Mom Complex
and someone who's at the forefront of mom's spending
power. Moms have extraordinary spending power.
And I think if women actually recognize that,
that there are many, many industries that we
could put out of business. specifically the beauty
industry. And so I think that I know that the
beauty industry is a six billion dollar industry
funded on the backs of women and mothers everywhere
who think they're not pretty enough or thin enough
or their hair's not long enough, et cetera. So
my wish for women in this world is that we would
realize that our physical appearance is not the
end all be all and we could be happy with ourselves
and I always love. to think about that if women
woke up tomorrow and decided that we were beautiful,
how many industries we would put out of business.
I know for a fact why brands still use outdated
tropes like the frazzled mom and the minivan
in their marketing and advertising. So if you
take one mom and you put her in a room of seven
other moms that she doesn't know and, you know,
in the name of consumer research and you ask
her what her family eats every day, what their
family is doing, how well behaved their children
are, how involved their partner is, it's lies.
And so what it sounds like is, oh, my children
eat broccoli three meals a day. We always recycle.
We eat gluten free, dairy free, soy free. And
my partner is super, super involved and helpful.
And the reason that mothers lie is the reason
that I started my consulting company called The
Mom Complex is because in those environments
they do not feel safe saying, I am broken. I
am tired. I have breast cancer. I'm on the verge
of getting a divorce. My life is falling apart.
My son... has ADHD. They're not comfortable saying
any of that because they feel profoundly judged
by other women, by other mothers, and even the
brands that are trying to attract the attention.
and money from those mothers and so it's not
necessarily the fault of these companies are
spending millions of dollars they know moms are
important and women they spend all this money
to connect with them it's the environment that
sucks we have to start opening up and being honest
about our problems i think that is the greatest
thing that holds women and mothers back is his
belief. We cannot talk about our flaws. We cannot
talk about when we have. We make a mistake. We
can't certainly cannot say we don't know what
we're doing, you know, as a wife or a partner
or a mother. And that's exhausting. And a lot
of women do not want to express any downside
of life because they believe that they are the
only ones that have it. They believe everybody
else is perfect and they are pathetic. So for
any woman listening right now, I encourage you
today to say the truth out loud in some way,
hint that you're struggling, give some clues,
even say it out loud specifically. And what I
can almost guarantee you will find is that the
backlash that you are convinced is coming, that
everybody's gonna think you're a trash fire,
will not happen. And especially if you open up
to another woman or mother, they're gonna go,
oh girl, you too? Like you're struggling too?
I thought I was the only one. And that's when
we start to release the pressure. That's when
we stop holding on to the lies that are buried
deep inside of us. And if we can start to talk
about that, we will release all that pressure.
And that's when I think the social change will
happen, that we women are allowed to be flawed.
We're allowed to not wear makeup. We're allowed
to not be perfect. But I think until we free
ourselves, no one's coming for us. No one's coming
to save you. Marketers know about the spending
power of moms and profit greatly from maternal
identity. In fact, they've built entire marketing
empires around it, not just by targeting moms,
but by co -opting the idea of motherhood itself.
Take a stroll down any grocery aisle and you'll
find it. Pastel packaging, words like natural,
nurturing, gentle. The promise isn't just a product.
It's the illusion of being a good mom. Organic
baby food, toxin -free shampoo, early learning
flashcards. These things are all sold not just
as commodities, but as a moral compass. You're
a good mom if you obsess over every detail. Because
here's the trick. When you market to moms, you're
not just selling to them. You're selling through
them. Moms don't just buy for themselves. And
let's be honest, so many moms don't do much for
themselves. They buy for their kids, their spouses,
their aging parents, their fur babies, their
classrooms, their communities. And the industry
term for this? the consumer in chief. Moms are
everywhere in the economy, and nowhere in the
conversation about power. They're driving consumer
behavior, brand trends, and even community resilience,
but most of that labor, both emotional and economic,
goes unnoticed. And while many companies profit
off maternal identity, few invest in actual maternal
well -being. They want the mom who buys, not
the mom who leads. But make no mistake, if you've
got the title of mom, you lead. You lead dinner,
you lead discipline, you lead doctor's appointments,
daycare drop -off, disaster control when the
stomach bug hits at midnight. You lead even when
you're exhausted, even when you're doubted, even
when you're not seen or think you lead. It's
not just something you do, it's who you are.
Motherhood is not a support role. It's a leadership
position. You know this. And when moms are resourced,
not just marketed to, entire communities rise.
One woman who knows this firsthand is Dr. Aisha
Nyandoro, CEO of Springboard to Opportunities,
a nonprofit that helps low -income families thrive.
In 2018, she launched the Magnolia Mothers Trust,
the first guaranteed income program in the U
.S. to give unrestricted cash directly to low
-income mothers. No strings attached. No hoops
to jump through. And what happened next? The
percentage of mothers able to pay all their bills
on time increased from 27 % to 83%. The capacity
to provide sufficient groceries rose from 64
% to 81%. Families with health insurance increased
by 25%. Children performing above grade level
increased by 20%. These outcomes validate the
program's impact, demonstrating that when mothers
are given the resources they need, not only do
their immediate circumstances improve, but they
pass it along to their kids. It turns out, if
you want to raise a household, a neighborhood,
or a zip code out of poverty, you start with
a person holding it all together. You start with
the moms. the backbone of the family, and the
blueprint for community health. Mothers are multipliers.
Give them resources, and they don't just survive.
They build. If you grew up in a faith community,
chances are it wasn't your pastor who first taught
you how to pray. It was your mom, or your grandma,
or your aunt who always had butterscotch candies
in her purse and never missed a Sunday. The women,
the moms, They showed up. They led bedtime prayers.
They packed up diaper bags with Cheerios, church
bulletins, and children's Bibles. They were the
glue. For generations, moms and grandmas have
been the spiritual caretakers of the family.
And for many, that's still true. But there's
a shift happening, and fast. For the first time
in recorded history, women are leaving the church
faster than men. And if that fact makes your
jaw drop, you're not alone. For decades, churches
were powered by women, not just quietly behind
the scenes, but front and center in their own
way, organizing the nursery schedule, leading
small groups, and corralling toddlers into Christmas
pageants with duct -taped angel wings and sticky
candy canes. But today, that's shifting. And
the data tells a surprising story. According
to Barna Group, Gen Z women who have historically
been the most likely to participate in church
life are now less religiously affiliated than
Gen Z men. As of 2024, 39 % of Gen Z women identify
as religiously unaffiliated compared to 31 %
of Gen Z men. It's the first time that gender
gap has flipped. And it's not just about affiliation.
Weekly church attendance is higher for men for
the first time in modern history. 30 % of men
versus 27 % of women, according to the same Barna
data. This trend didn't come out of nowhere.
From 2000 to 2015, women outpaced men in church
attendance. Then the line started to blur. From
2016 to 2021, they ran neck and neck. But over
the last three years, Women are consistently
attending church less than men. So what's going
on? According to Barna CEO David Kinnaman, it's
not one single reason, it's a slow accumulation
of many. Perhaps it's the feeling of always showing
up and not being seen, the pressure to serve
without ever feeling heard, or decades of purity
culture messaging that hyper -focused on modesty
and abstinence while skipping over discipleship,
depth, and leadership. Or maybe it's something
that happened outside the church walls, something
related to the unique challenges of modern motherhood
from episode two. The fatigue, the burnout, what
Barna calls compassion fatigue, the emotional
exhaustion that comes from being the spiritual
backbone of a place and feeling like the scaffolding.
At home, moms make the coffee, care for the kids,
do the admin, make sure everyone is taken care
of. and then they come to church and are expected
to do those same roles. The pandemic only accelerated
things. Women took on the lion's share of caregiving,
homeschooling, meal making, career pivoting.
And when the world opened back up, many never
returned to their previous church roles, not
out of rebellion, but because they were tired
and no one offered a new model. Now in their
absence, men are showing slight upticks in engagement.
They're consuming more long -form theological
content, seeking out tight -knit communities,
and for some rediscovering spiritual purpose
in a disoriented world. But make no mistake,
this is not a victory lap. This is a wake -up
call. When women begin to step back, not just
from programs, but from the identity of spiritual
nurture. The ripple effect is enormous. Their
absence doesn't just shift church attendance,
it shifts the future of faith. Because for centuries,
women have been the spiritual transmitters, passing
down faith, shaping rituals, creating traditions,
holding families together through hardship and
healing, praying for their kids with unmatched
fervency. And here's the catch. Interest in spirituality
isn't declining, not even close. It's booming.
People, especially women, are more spiritually
curious than ever. But they're looking for something
real, something meaningful, something that doesn't
come wrapped in performance or pressure. So the
question isn't if women still care about faith.
The question is, are they being given a place
at the table to explore it? I sat down with Bible
scholar Joel Manamale to unpack the theology
of motherhood and why reclaiming this role might
just be one of the most important spiritual shifts
of our time. What are you seeing in the faith
lives of the moms in your church? Yeah, it's
actually really interesting. I had the opportunity
just a couple of weeks ago to speak at a high
school retreat and it was a bunch of freshmen
through seniors and there was a group of moms
who had actually come as kind of volunteers and
you know to help out with the retreat and I spoke
for some main sessions and they did a Q &A for
just the seniors one night and then right after
that Q &A got done they opened it up for just
the parents you know to kind of have some conversations.
The first observation that that was absolutely
fascinating was that 80 % were all the moms who
were there and had the time and the opportunity
and the flexibility to actually invest and to
do this. But the questions that they asked gave
me a very specific insight into the things that
they are looking at and working through. And
it's that these moms are curious theologically
for biblical and scriptural truth. Like they're
being inundated. a day in and day out basis with
competing cultural values, competing cultural
ideas of understanding of gender and sexuality
and relationships and vocation. And I think what
they're looking for is, well, what does the Bible
actually say about these things? How can we know
that the Bible actually said it versus this being
something that has just been told to me from
my pastor or from church leaders or something
that I read somewhere? And then have this confidence
that there's some honesty for the attention along
the way to navigate it. And so I think that's
kind of what moms are looking at and thinking
about right now. Teens report that moms are one
of their primary partners for almost every activity
outside of like sports and social media. But
like talking about faith, I think 70 % of the
teens said that their mom was like their primary
person that they talked about faith with, which
I just love. And you're so right. Moms are wrestling
with all of these very real cultural issues that
are in our home. Our kids are navigating on a
daily basis and we want to do it right. From
a theology standpoint, one of the things that
I'm having consistently conversations with with
moms and just church attendees in general is
thinking in terms of not just me myself and I
and my immediate context, but thinking generationally.
you know, thinking in terms of what is the impact
that I'm having now that is going to echo on
in generations to come. And when we look at the
biblical text, look at the biblical narrative,
we get the benefit of seeing generational in
one macrocosm in a microcosm, we can kind of
zero down and see how all these things work out.
I mean, people get stressed out about genealogies,
right? Like, why in the world are these genealogies
in the Bible? And I think they're there as a
benefit for us to see like, oh, Generations matter.
The way that moms and dads raise their children
matter. Look at the entire First and Second Kings
and First and Second Chronicles. I mean, these
things matter generationally. And so one of the
things I think that would be helpful is to recognize
that the value and the meaning and the intentionality
of these moments that feel like, gosh, am I making
a contribution meaningfully to the world if we
reframe our understanding and saying, Yes, you
are, massively. Let's talk about a theology of
motherhood. And this could easily just, you know,
be a theology of fatherhood, so a theology of
parenting in general. But what does that even
mean? And why is it an important topic to explore,
especially in the context of the church and us
as people of faith? Yeah, that's so good. So
it's really interesting. So my background, Mandy,
is, you know, theological, academic, I've gone
through seminary, the PhD in biblical theology.
And I'm going to be honest with you, I never
had a class on the theology of motherhood. Like
I actually, in preparation for this, I went through
my notes and did like a search of all my, I'm
like, the search result was zero. You know? I
actually think that's a challenge. I actually
think that's something that has to be addressed,
honestly, because comparatively, when I did a
search on Um, moms, motherhood, there's some
technical words. So when I say these technical
words, I don't want people to like panic and
say, oh my gosh, like just know that these are
technical academic words. So like one of the
phrases is childbearing that in the ancient world
that, that biological function was connected
with motherhood. So when you're doing research
academically, those are the kinds of things you're
looking at. Like it is everywhere in scripture.
Mandy, I think it's fascinating. that when God
first creates Adam, after a series, like if you
read Genesis 1, it is a series of it's good,
it's good, it's good, it's good, right? So these
summary statements of it's good. He creates man,
Adam, the Hebrew word is adam. And then for the
very first time, he says it's not good. For the
very first time, it's not good. it's not good
in response to the fact that man is isolated,
he's alone, he doesn't have a counterpart with
him, and so then God creates a woman from his
rib. Now I've actually done a bunch of study
on this term rib in Genesis, and unfortunately
a lot of modern translations they use a wooden
kind of translation to just help our mind like
comprehend it, but it's so much more. The Hebrew
word shalah, it actually refers to an entire
side of someone or something. So we think a modern
day of rib and it's like, I can have a cracked
rib and it's painful or, you know, but I can
still live, but imagine not having an entire
side of something. Like you can't function. It's
not possible, right? And so, and then another
interesting thing, this Hebrew word is also used
of pillars of stability and structure. One of
those instances is the temple of God that these,
there are these pillars and I just think, okay,
what is the bigger vision the bigger view of
woman before we even get to motherhood of woman
and the bigger view and vision of womanhood is
that um god creates a woman By making man half
so in order for man to become whole he's got
to have this counterpart you know which is which
is woman which is kind of a brilliant and beautiful
thing and then the purpose the the the value
proposition here is that this woman is a source
of stability is a sort of source of strength.
You know an imagery that I sometimes give is
like what like. what would happen if in my house
right now that I'm sitting in, all of a sudden
you took out all the beams of stability, all
the beams of structure, everything would implode.
It would all fall in on each other, you know?
And so I think this gives us a really important
context that we have to consider a theology of
motherhood from. And then we get to what, again,
is so fascinating. Adam names his wife Eve. Now,
I think this is super important. This is prior
to any children being born and prior to the fall.
So this is in Eden prior to the fall. Well, what
is this? What is her name, Eve? It's Hava in
Hebrew. What does it actually mean? It means
vitality and life. And then the biblical text
actually gives us a definition. It means the
mother of all living things. Well, you might
wonder, wait a minute. How can she be given a
title mother of all living things when she hasn't
even had any kids yet? Right. And I think this
is an incredibly important principle. So what
I give often when I'm teaching, I often say the
Bible is more about principles and policy. We
often come to the scriptures because we want
policy. A plus B always to equal C. The Bible
doesn't want to primarily give us policy. There
is some policy in there, but primarily it's about
principles. What is A and what is B? And how
does C relate to A, B, and C? Because that actually
helps us think rightly about the world and about
our relationships, about God himself. And so
you have right off the bat this idea that God
creates this woman and then Adam names her and
then she gets this title, this glorious title
of the mother of all living things. Adam on his
own could not... confirm and live out the mandate
that God gives humanity to multiply, to flourish,
to extend the glory of God into the ends of the
earth. And so it was vital that he had Eve. Oh
my gosh. That is exciting and brilliant. And
thank you for kind of resetting the foundation
of motherhood and where it started. Life's most
important moments happen around a table. A baby's
first birthday, smeared frosting crinkled party
hats, grandparents leaning in close, a late night
heart -to -heart between teenage sisters over
bowls of cereal. That sacred Thanksgiving when
no one really knew what to say after the diagnosis,
but the mashed potatoes still got passed. And
the random Taco Tuesday where a boyfriend looks
across the table and says, I'm gonna marry you
someday between bites of salsa. The table holds
our stories. It remembers things even when we
forget. In my faith tradition, God knew that.
He designed it that way. The same is true in
Scripture. The story of God happens through meals.
In the beginning, God sets a table for Adam and
Eve saying, eat, partake. You can eat everything
except from one tree. It's all yours to enjoy.
Then sin enters the world through a meal. Later,
God's people are in captivity, and God tells
them the way they're going to be rescued starts
with the meal that they're to prepare, where
they slaughter a lamb and put its blood on the
doorposts. It's a foreshadowing of Jesus, the
sacrificial lamb. Then Jesus feeds thousands
with the few loaves and fishes that he miraculously
multiplies. Then Jesus has a last meal. All of
his friends are there, where he takes his bread
and wine and tells them to eat it in remembrance
of him. And after that, we read in Acts that
the followers of Jesus broke bread in their homes
and ate together, praising God and enjoying the
favor of all the people. And the Lord added to
their number daily those who were being saved.
And then the story culminates in a feast called
the Supper of the Lamb that we read about in
Revelation. God uses meals to shape his people.
not just to nourish them, but to form them, to
remind them of who they were and who He was.
In the Old Testament, God gave His people commandments.
They were guidelines to live by, but sometimes
we forget He also gave them feasts, seven of
them to be exact, sacred meals baked into the
calendar, a rhythm of remembering. Each feast
marked a chapter in their story, rescue, renewal,
trust, abundance. These weren't holidays. They
were theology on a plate. If you've never heard
of these feasts, you're not alone. But here's
the point. They weren't just about rituals. They
were about formation, about identity, and they
still whisper something to us now, especially
if you've ever held the sacred responsibility
of feeding someone else. Because when you look
at these feasts not as religious relics, but
as signposts of spiritual power, you start to
realize power isn't always what we think. But
before we step into ancient Israel and the feasts,
let's acknowledge something closer to home. Because
no matter how sacred these feasts are, moms have
been hosting one of their own since time began.
It's called every single day. Moms are the ones
who nourish. We make the grocery lists, we prep
lunch boxes, we spoon feed mashed bananas, cut
crust into hearts, and then we make the chicken,
just how they like it when they come home from
college for a visit. And at the beginning? It's
not just the kitchen. It's your body. You become
the meal. You are the feast and somehow it doesn't
stop, not when they're teens and not when they're
grown. The table gets bigger, the menu changes,
but the nourishing continues. It's beautiful,
yes, but let's be honest, it's also exhausting.
The constancy of it, the invisibility of it,
the sacred repetition of care. So if these ancient
feasts seem far away, remember you're living
one right now. You prepare, you serve, you clean,
you feed hearts and bodies alike. You're participating
in a holy directive, maybe without even knowing
it. So back to the feast. Let's start with the
very first one, Passover. This is a meal that
remembers rescue. God's people were enslaved
in Egypt, beaten down, used up, forgotten by
the world, but not by God. Passover marks the
night he brought them out. A lamb was killed,
its blood smeared on doorposts, and when death
came through the land, it passed over every home
marked by that blood. If you've ever stood at
the door of your child's room, heart thudding
with prayers too deep for words you know this
kind of power. It's faithful, the kind of strength
that says, not on my watch. It's a protective
influence, like when you make a hard call that
your child won't understand for 10 years. It's
the kind of love that covers. Then it's the feast
of unleavened bread. This one starts the very
next day. They ate bread without yeast for a
whole week. Why? Because when freedom came, it
came fast. No time to let the dough rise. It's
a feast of urgency and purity, a reminder to
leave behind not just the land of slavery, but
the habits and corruption of it too. This is
the kind of wisdom moms carry in their bones.
The ability to say, we don't need that. We're
headed somewhere better. The courage to travel
light, to leave behind what doesn't serve the
journey. That's leadership. That's influence.
Next, the feast of first fruits. This feast was
all about the very beginning of the harvest.
The first glimpse of God's provision that Israelites
would bring the first stalks of grain to God.
It wasn't just gratitude. It was trust. Trust
that more would come. This one's radical. Bring
your first, not your leftovers. Not what's safe.
The first and best of what you have, even before
the rest has come in. Moms live this way all
the time. They give first, go last. They put
their energy, their creativity, their very bodies
on the line before they even know how things
will turn out. But they do it anyway because
that's what love does. It's not just sacrifice,
it's sacred boldness. And then there's Pentecost
and the Feast of Weeks. 50 days after first fruits,
the full harvest is in. The people bring leavened
bread, yes, with yeast this time, and offer it
to God. It's a feast of joy, of fullness, of
shared abundance. This was never just about food,
it was about pouring out. A collective reminder
that what God gives isn't just for you, it's
for the world. Pentecost is a feast of power.
not hoarded power, but shared power. And in the
New Testament, it's the day that the Holy Spirit
shows up. Tongues of fire and all poured out,
not on a select few, but on everyone. Sons and
daughters, old and young, including moms. Because
if anyone knows what it means to pour out their
strength, their sanity, their sleep, it's a mother.
So yes, power isn't always a sword. Sometimes
it's a meal. Sometimes it's a moment of presence.
Sometimes, maybe most of the time, the most powerful
person in the room is the one who prepared the
table. And if that person also got three kids
fed, kept the toddler from licking the dog bowl,
and remembered where the science fair poster
board ended up, that's next level holy. The table
was always more than furniture. It was always
a place of formation, of memory, of meaning.
And maybe, just maybe, that means the work you're
doing night after night, meal after meal, isn't
small at all. It's sacred and more powerful than
you can fathom. Next week on Bloodline and Backbone,
we're talking all about community, solidarity,
and sisterhood, and how it deeply shapes our
experience of motherhood. Thanks for listening
to Bloodline and Backbone. This has been Bloodline
and Backbone. A production of Mamco Media. Created
by Mandy Arioto. It was written by Emma Turnbull
and Mandy Arioto. Produced by Jeremiah Shimaker.
Special thanks to Catherine Winch and Joel Medamale.
Music composition and sound design by Sleepy
Dog Creative. Our executive producer is Kelly
Jo Smith. And our theme song is Glory by Zuri
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