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Okay, get ready for a deep dive into a text that

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presents, well, a version of Jesus' childhood

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you've almost certainly never encountered before.

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Forget those quiet years between Bethlehem and

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the temple. Imagine a newborn speaking clay figures

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coming to life or maybe a royal throne stretching

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on command. Yeah, it's quite something. What

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if everything you thought you knew about Jesus'

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early life was based on just, you know, a few

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brief glimpses. It's true. The standard biblical

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gospel is Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. They

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offer a remarkably little detail about Jesus'

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life from his birth until he appears as an adult

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ready for baptism around age 30. Right. We get

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the nativity stories, the flight to Egypt in

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return, and really just that single event of

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him at age 12 in the temple. Those middle years,

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largely silent. And where there's silence in

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one text, well, other stories often emerge to

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fill the gap, don't they? Exactly. Today, we're

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exploring a text shared by one of you listeners

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called the first gospel of the infancy of Jesus

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Christ. Now this text makes a pretty bold opening

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claim. It purports to be based on the account

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of Joseph the High Priest, which, well, some

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traditions equate with Caiaphas. That attribution

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is certainly. Interesting. Given Caiaphas's prominent

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role in Jesus' later crucifixion story in the

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canonical Gospels, regardless of its actual historical

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origins or authorship, this text was clearly

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circulating in some early Christian communities.

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And it provides this dramatic, action -packed,

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and very different narrative of Jesus' life from

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birth up to age 12. So our mission in this deep

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dive is to unpack this alternative story, pull

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out the most fascinating and perhaps startling

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details. And understand what this text tells

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us about how some people in the early centuries

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imagined the divine power of Jesus manifesting,

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you know, in his earliest years. It's a chance

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to see a childhood absolutely packed with miracles

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really from infancy onward. Okay, let's dive

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in then. Starting where all the gospel narratives

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begin. The nativity. It opens familiar enough,

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right? Augustus's decree. Joseph and Mary heading

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to Bethlehem. Standard stuff. But then it quickly

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diverges. Mary's time comes before they actually

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make it into the city. So they end up seeking

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shelter in a cave instead. And Joseph then goes

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off to fetch a midwife from Jerusalem described

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here as an old Hebrew woman. A cave, not a stable.

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Interesting. And when they get back? Well, they

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find the cave filled with this extraordinary

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light. Not just a gentle glow, but a light The

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text describes as greater than the light of lamps

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and candles, and greater than the light of the

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sun itself. Wow. That's not subtle. An immediate

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supernatural sign. Definitely not subtle. And

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the midwife is, well, understandably stunned

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by this. I bet. When she asks Mary about the

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child, Mary's reply is quite unique, she says.

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As there is not any child like to my son, so

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neither is there any woman like to his mother.

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A declaration, really, of the uniqueness of both

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of them. Absolutely. And a miracle immediately

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follows this. The midwife touches the infant.

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She's instantly healed herself, responds by vowing

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her service to him. So you see physical healing

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linked directly to contact with the baby Jesus

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right from the start. And it prompts a kind of

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discipleship even then. Exactly. Then the shepherds

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arrive, led by the star and angels, and the scene

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shifts again. The cave, instead of being just

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a humble stable, it seems like a glorious temple.

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It's a temple. Yeah, filled with angels and men

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praising God together. The old midwife joins

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in, too, echoing Simeon's later words that her

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eyes have seen the Savior. Okay, so the text

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also includes the circumcision. It does on the

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eighth day, still in the cave. And here's a particularly

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notable point. The old woman takes the foreskin,

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or as the text notes, some say, the navel string,

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and preserves it in an alabaster box of spikenert

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oil. OK, wait. An alabaster box? That sounds

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familiar. It does, doesn't it? And this is where

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the text connects the dots in a really surprising

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way. It explicitly states that this alabaster

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box is the one that Mary, identified as Mary

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the sinner, often understood as Mary Magdalene

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later uses to anoint Jesus. No way. Seriously.

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Seriously. It creates this direct, tangible link

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between the physical remnants of his infancy

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and that really well -known act of devotion before

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his passion. That's incredible. It suggests a

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perspective where, I guess, Jesus' sacredness

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infused even his bodily components right from

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birth. Yes, exactly. Binding these disparate

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moments in his life through a physical object.

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It's quite a theological statement. Definitely.

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Moving on, the presentation in the temple. Right.

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On the 40th day, Simeon is described seeing Jesus

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shining as a pillar of light, attended by angels

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like royal guards. The pillar of light. Yeah.

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In his similar prophecy, And the wise men, they

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arrive too. They do, from the east, bringing

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their gold, frankincense and myrrh. This text

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adds an interesting twist though. It attributes

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their guidings to the prophecy of Zorahdosh,

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which is Zoroaster. Zoroaster? Huh. So pulling

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in elements from other traditions, maybe? It

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seems like it, yeah. It hints at how these stories

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could incorporate different cultural threads.

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But the most striking detail here involves Mary's

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gift to them in return. She gives them a gift?

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What is it? One of Jesus' swaddling clothes.

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A swaddling cloth? Okay. Seems humble. Seems

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humble, but it becomes the focus of an astonishing

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miracle. When the wise men get back home, they

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throw the swaddling cloth into a fire maybe as

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a test or some kind of act of reverence? Let

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me guess. It refuses to burn. Completely unharmed.

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Wow. Not even singed. Not at all. And this leads

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them to worship the cloth and treasure it among

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their possessions. So another strong statement

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about the inherent power and sanctity just radiating

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from Jesus, even through objects he's merely

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touched or worn. Exactly. What does that emphasis

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on the power of physical relics tell us, do you

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think? about the theology, maybe. Well, it suggests

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a worldview where the divine isn't just in Jesus,

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but it's actively radiating from him, right?

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Well, capable of transforming and empowering

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the material world around him. Precisely. This

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kind of emphasis on material conduits of holiness,

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it was present in various ancient beliefs and

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certainly found expression in certain Christian

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traditions later on. Okay, so if the nativity

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was eventful, the flight to Egypt in this text

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is, well, an absolute whirlwind of supernatural

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events. Oh, absolutely. Herod's anger, the angelic

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warning to Joseph to flee as soon as the cock

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crows, that's familiar, but the journey itself,

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anything but a quiet escape. How so? It starts

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with a mundane problem, actually. Their saddle

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girths break. But as they approach a city in

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Egypt, things escalate rapidly. They encounter

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the local idols. Uh -oh. idols. Yeah. And this

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city has a particularly important idol, one that

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other idols apparently make offerings to, and

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the text claims this main idol speaks. It speaks.

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What does it say? It declares, the unknown God

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is come hither, who is truly God. He is truly

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the Son of God. Whoa. The idol itself proclaims

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him. Seems so. And immediately after this declaration,

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that main idol falls down instantly, followed

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by all the other idols throughout Egypt. All

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of them across the whole country. That's what

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the text claims. And then it explicitly links

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this event to the prophecy in Hosea. Ah, out

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of Egypt I have called my son. Exactly. Suggesting

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this wasn't just about Israel's exodus, but specifically

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Jesus' presence literally causing the collapse

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of Egyptian paganism. It's a very literal and

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dramatic interpretation of Scripture. It certainly

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is a powerful theological statement. The arrival

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of the true God displacing all others. Quite

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literally. But you said there were smaller miracles,

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too. Yes. Alongside this big event, the text

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includes many smaller personal miracles during

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their stay. At the inn, near the fallen idol,

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for instance, they meet a priest's son who's

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possessed by devils and throwing stones. So Mary

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washes Jesus' swaddling clothes and hangs them

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up to dry. The possessed boy grabs one of the

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clothes, puts it on his head, and the devils

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visibly leave him, described as flying out in

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the shape of crows and serpents. He's instantly

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healed. Again, with the close, the power residing

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in his belongings. Yeah. It's a recurring theme.

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Now, the text notes that Joseph and Mary were,

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you know, understandably fighting by the reaction

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to the idols falling. Yeah, I imagine that caused

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a stir. They feared Egyptian anger, so they moved

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towards secret places of robbers. Towards robbers?

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That doesn't sound safer. Well, they do encounter

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robbers, but they don't need to fight. The thieves

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hear a noise like a vast army approaching trumpets,

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horses, the whole thing, and they flee in terror,

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leaving behind their captives in loot. And Joseph

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and Mary didn't do anything. Nope. The freed

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prisoners meet them, and Joseph and Mary simply

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tell them the king will come after them. It seems

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the infant Jesus' mere presence generates this

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divine protective force field, almost. Incredible.

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So the journey continues. More healings. Oh,

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yes. The text piles them on. There's an encounter

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with a woman possessed by Satan, Mary pities

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her, and Satan leaves in the form of a young

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man crying out in distress against Mary and her

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son. Satan himself addresses Mary. Apparently

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so. Then in another town, they meet a bride who

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had been struck dumb by sorcerers. Struck dumb.

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Yeah. She sees Mary holding Jesus, takes him,

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hugs and kisses him, and boom. Her tongue is

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immediately loosed, her ears are open, and she

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starts singing praises. Direct physical contact

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again. That's the key in many of these stories,

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and that theme of power through physical contact,

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particularly with Jesus' things, gets reinforced

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again and again. Like how? Well, there's a whole

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series of healing specifically involving the

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water used to wash Jesus or His swaddling clothes.

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Okay, tell me about those. There's a woman afflicted

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by Satan appearing as a serpent wrapped around

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her. She asks to hold Jesus and the serpent leaves

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when she moves him. Okay, fine. But the next

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day, she washes Jesus and saves the water. Saves

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the wash water. Why? Well, because that water

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becomes a potent healing agent. A girl suffering

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from leprosy is sprinkled and washed with the

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saved water and is instantly cleansed. Instantly.

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From leprosy. Instantly. And the people are astonished,

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naturally. They start wondering if Joseph, Mary,

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and Jesus are actually gods. Understandable reaction,

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I suppose. And the healed girl is so grateful

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she actually joins their traveling group. She

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travels with them. Wow. And this cured girl becomes

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important later. She encounters a sorrowful prince's

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wife whose marriage is void because she and her

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son are leprous. Oh dear. So the cured girl shares

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her story about the wash water. The prince's

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wife gets the water, pours it on her own leprous

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son, and he too is instantly cleansed. She praises

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God, rewards Mary richly. You see how the benefits

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ripple outwards. It's like a chain reaction of

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healing. Any other examples? Yep. They lodged

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with a recently married man who's been afflicted

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by sorcerers, unable to consummate his marriage.

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Awkward. Very. But simply having the holy family

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stay in his house overnight cures him. Just their

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presence. He's so gratefully host this lavish

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celebration for them. Just being near them fixed

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it. Amazing. But perhaps the most surprising

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miracle in Egypt involves a mule. A mule? What

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happens with a mule? They come to a city where

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some women are mourning their brother, who has

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been turned into a mule by witchcraft. Turned

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into a mule? Seriously? Like in a fairy tale?

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Exactly like that. So the cured leper girl, who's

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still traveling with them, tells the sisters

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about Mary and Jesus. The women plead with Mary

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for help. What does Mary do? She places the baby

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Jesus on the mule's back and prays. The mule

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immediately turns back into a young man, right

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there. Get out! That's wild. It is. The family

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is overjoyed. They worship Mary and Jesus. And

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then, incredibly, the restored young man marries

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the cured leper girl who brought his sisters

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to Mary in the first place. A wedding. So it

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combines healing, transformation, and a happy

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ending. That story has everything. It really

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highlights the boundless and sometimes, yeah,

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totally unexpected nature of the divine power

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depicted in this text. Okay, what about those

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robbers again? You mentioned they encountered

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them. Right. As they travel through a desert

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region infested with robbers, they encounter

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two specific leaders named Titus and Dumakus

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who are asleep. Titus and Dumakus. Those names

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sound vaguely familiar. They might. Titus wants

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to let the family pass peacefully, so he actually

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offers a bribe to Dumakus not to make a fuss

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or wake the others. Mary sees this kindness.

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and blesses Titus. Okay, consider it thief. And

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then, right there, the infant Jesus speaks and

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makes a specific prophecy. He speaks again. What

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does he say this time? He foretells his own crucifixion

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in 30 years and states that these two thieves,

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Titus and Demacus, will be crucified with him,

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specifically Titus on his right hand entering

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paradise. That's incredibly specific and connects

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directly to the passion narratives. Mary must

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have been distressed. The text says she was.

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It's a sterk foreshadowing, this glimpse into

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the future revealing his divine knowledge so

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early on, linking his infancy directly to his

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ultimate fate. Heavy stuff for a baby to predict.

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What happens next? Well, as they near another

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city, one apparently filled with idols, the text

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says the entire city just turns into sandhills.

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Gone. Oof. Just like that. Another swift judgment

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against paganism. Seems so. Even more complete

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than the idols just falling. Then they come to

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Metaria. Yeah. And there, the text says Jesus

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caused a well to spring forth. This is supposedly

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where Mary washes his coat and that balsam grew

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from his sweat. More details connecting him physically

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to the land leading signs. Exactly. Enduring

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signs of his presence. Finally, the text notes

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they proceed to Memphis. See Pharaoh, though

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it doesn't elaborate on that, and stay for three

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years in Egypt. Three years. And it explicitly

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states that Jesus performed very many miracles

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there that are not recorded elsewhere. It hints

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at this even vaster store of hidden stories,

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you know? Right. A whole lost chapter. potentially.

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Okay, so after these three incredibly eventful

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years, they finally return from Egypt. They do.

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But Joseph is hesitant to re -enter Judea. He

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hears Herod is dead, but his son, Archelaus,

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who was apparently just as bad as reigning. So

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still dangerous. Yeah. An angel directs him to

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go to Nazareth instead. And the text pauses here

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for a moment, reflecting on this profound paradox,

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right? The Lord of all countries being carried

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around, directed by an angel, dependent on his

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parents. It is a powerful thought. how the divine

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submitted to human conditions. As they settle

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back, maybe in Nazareth or nearby, the text says

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they encounter desperate distempers killing children.

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Lots of sickness around. So more healings are

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needed. Seems so. And we see a return to that

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recurring theme. More healings involving the

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washwater or swaddling clothes. The greatest

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hits. Pretty much. Children near death or with

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severe diseases are cured simply through contact

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with these items that carry Jesus' power. There's

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even a specific story about a boy named Bartholomew.

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like the apostle. Could be the connection intended.

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He was near death but was cured after being laid

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in Jesus' bed and just smelling his clothes.

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Smelling his clothes. Wow, that's potent. It

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is. And these texts often name individuals like

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this, maybe linking them to later figures or

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implying a known tradition behind these stories.

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Interesting. Are there other stories from this

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period back home? Yes, there's also a story involving

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a family conflict. A man with two wives. One

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rival wife tries to kill Caleb, who the text

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identifies as Mary's son, probably meaning Jesus'

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mother's child or relative, not Jesus himself.

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This wife tries twice. Ow! First, throws him

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in a hot oven. He's found unharmed, laughing.

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Yep. Then she throws him into a well. He's found

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just sitting safely on the water's surface. Mary

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tells Lady Mary, presumably Jesus' mother, who

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trusts God, will vindicate. And does he? According

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to the text, yes. The rival wife later falls

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into that same well and dies. A moment of divine

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justice protecting the child. Intense. What else?

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Another really dramatic healing involves a girl

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tormented by Satan, who appears as a dragon sucking

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her blood. A dragon? Yeah, appearing as a dragon.

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The healed leper prince's daughter, remember

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her? The one traveling with them. Yes, the one

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cured by the wash water. She tells the girl's

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mother to take her to Mary. Mary gives them more

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wash water and another swaddling cloth, instructing

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the mother to tell the girl to show it to the

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enemy when it appears. Show the cloth to the

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dragon. Right. So when the dragon appears, the

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girl puts the cloth on her head and eyes, and

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flames and burning coals shoot from the cloth

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hitting the dragon. Flames from the swaddling

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cloth. Seriously. That's the image. The dragon

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cries out against Jesus and flees. It's incredibly

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vivid, a swaddling cloth, literally weaponized

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with divine fire against Satan. That underscores

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the power in those objects like nothing else.

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Absolutely. Then comes a really unsettling story

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about a boy named Judas. Judas, as in? As in

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Judas Iscariot, yes. The text says he was possessed

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by Satan as a child and had a habit of biting

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people. His mother brings him to Mary. Okay.

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While Jesus is playing, Judas tries to bite him,

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but instead he strikes Jesus on his right side.

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He hits Jesus. He does. And at that moment, Satan

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immediately leaves Judas, described as flying

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out like a mad dog. Wow. But the text identifies

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him as a scarier. Explicitly. And it makes this

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direct, chilling link. This boy was Judas Iscariot,

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the future betrayer, and the side he struck as

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a possessed child. That's the very side, later

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pierced by the spirit, the crucifixion. Oh my

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goodness, that's dark. A complex foreshadowing,

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suggesting his fate was maybe linked to this

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early demonic influence and violence towards

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Jesus. It's a deeply troubling connection presented

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here. Okay, so as Jesus grows a bit older, say

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around age seven, do the miracles continue? They

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do, but now they become intertwined with childhood

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play, though they're no less powerful. He's playing

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with other boys, making figures out of clay asses,

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oxen, birds. Like kids do. Right, but then he

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commands them to become real, to walk, fly, eat,

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and they do. The clay figures come alive. Exactly.

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When the other boys tell their parents, the parents

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are horrified. They call Jesus a sorcerer and

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warn their children to stay away from him. Ah,

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so his power... starts to be misunderstood or

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feared. Precisely. Okay. It shows how his inherent

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divine power could be perceived as something

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illicit or, you know, dangerous magic by those

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who didn't understand its source. Does this happen

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again, this perception of magic? It does. There's

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the story of the Dire shop. Jesus goes into the

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shop, takes all the cloths the Dire has prepared

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for various customers, each needing a different

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color. Okay. And he throws them all into a furnace

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full of, say, black dye. All of them. Together,

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the Dire must have freaked out. Completely panic,

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but then Jesus pulls the cloths out and each

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one is dyed the precise correct color that each

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individual customer wanted how? Okay, that's

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definitely miraculous a display of control over

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material transformation playful, but astonishing.

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And maybe a way to help Joseph's trade or provide

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for the family, perhaps. He also helps Joseph

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the carpenter more directly. The text notes Joseph

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isn't particularly skilled. Not a great carpenter?

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Apparently not. If a piece of wood is cut too

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long or too short for a job, Jesus safely stretches

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out his hand and the wood becomes exactly the

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right size needed instantly. Handy. That must

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have saved Joseph a lot of work in wood. You'd

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think so. There's one specific instance mentioned.

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Joseph spends two years making a throne for the

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king of Jerusalem, made of special wood from

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Solomon's time, apparently. A royal commission.

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High stakes. Very. But when he finishes, its

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tube spans too short on each side. It doesn't

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fit. Oh no. After two years, the king must have

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been furious. He was, and Joseph was in despair.

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But Jesus tells Joseph not to worry. He says,

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you pull one side, I'll pull the other. Pull

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the throne. Yeah. They both pull, and the throne

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stretches out perfectly to fit the required space.

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Stretches solid wood. Wow. That's a striking

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visual of divine power reshaping reality to fix

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a human mistake. And on a royal throne, no less.

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Exactly. Grand scale stuff. There are more stories

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from his playtime, too. Jesus is playing with

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boys, and they decide to hide from him. They

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hide inside a furnace. In a furnace, okay. Jesus

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asks some nearby women where the boys are. The

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women lie, maybe jokingly, maybe trying to protect

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the kids, and say there are just some three -year

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-old kids, meaning young goats in the furnace.

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I said goats. Yeah, kids. So Jesus calls out,

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come out here, there are O .E. kids. Don't tell

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me. The boys emerge from the furnace transformed

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into actual young goats leaping around him. No,

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he turned them into goats. That's the story.

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The women are terrified, obviously, and they

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beg him to change them back. Jesus obliges, calls,

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come hither, oh boys, and they return to human

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form. That's remarkable, almost unsettling that

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power over identity and form even in play. It

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is. In the text notes, Jesus makes a comment

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after this. The children of Israel are like Ethiopians

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among the people. What does that mean? It sounds

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odd. It's a puzzling line, honestly. Often debated.

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Maybe suggesting a disconnect between their outward

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appearance or actions and their true nature.

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Or maybe a commentary on spiritual darkness or

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misunderstanding. It's unclear. Hmm. Okay, so

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the miracles keep mixing play with power. Are

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there more healings? Yes, including during another

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game. While playing king with other boys, this

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is in the month of Adar, the text says they dress

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them up with a flower ground, make passersby

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worship their king. Standard kid stuff, maybe.

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Plain pretend. Right. But then a boy who was

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bitten by a poisonous serpent is brought to them

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on a couch. Oh dear. Jesus insists they all go

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find and kill the serpent, even though the parents

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are scared. At the nest, Jesus calls the serpent

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out. Calls the snake. Yep, commands it to suck

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its poison back out of the boy. What? Does it

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work? It does. The serpent sucks the poison out,

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healing the boy. Then Jesus curses the serpent

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and it will soap in and dies. Wow. Curses it

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to death. And then Jesus touches the healed boy,

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tells him to stop crying and says, Hereafter

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thou shalt be my disciple. And the text identifies

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this boy as Simon the Canaanite. Simon the Canaanite.

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Another future apostle linked to a childhood

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miracle, just like Bartholomew maybe? Seems to

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be a pattern. His own family isn't immune to

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danger either. His brother James... Presumably

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the Lord's brother gets bitten by a viper while

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gathering wood with Jesus. James, too. Viper's

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everywhere. Apparently. But Jesus simply blows

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on the bite and it's instantly healed. Simple

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as that. It's just a breath. Okay. What about

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raising the dead? Does that happen early, too?

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It does. Remarkably early, according to this

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text. The other boys flee, leaving Jesus alone,

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potentially looking guilty. But Jesus denies

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any fault, goes to the body, calls out the boy's

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name, the dead boy answers, and identifies who

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actually pushed him off the roof. He speaks from

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death to clear Jesus' name and identify the culprit.

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Exactly. Raising the dead, maybe age 10 or 11,

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presented almost casually within his everyday

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activities, much earlier than similar events

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in the canonical gospels. That's a huge difference.

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Are there other smaller miracles mentioned? Yeah,

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woven in, like when Mary asks him to fetch water,

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the pitcher breaks, but Jesus just gathers the

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water up in his mantle, his cloak, and brings

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it to her perfectly fine. Shows his power over

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natural elements, even gravity or cohesion, I

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guess. Okay, so far most of these miracles are

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helpful, or at least playful, even the goat thing,

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but some sound darker. Yes, some miracles in

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this text show a much more immediate, even punitive

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aspect to his power. This is where it gets quite

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different from the usual image. By the river

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on the Sabbath, Jesus is making clay sparrows

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and little pools playing again. The son of a

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Jew named Hanani sees him doing this work, making

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figures and accuses him of breaking the Sabbath.

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Okay, a confrontation. Right. When Hanani's son

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tries to destroy the pools Jesus made, Jesus

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says, in like manner as this water has vanished,

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so shall thy life vanish. The boy drops dead

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instantly. He curses him to death for messing

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up his pools. That's harsh. It is. And there's

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another similar instance. Jesus is coming home

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with Joseph and another boy runs into him, maybe

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accidentally, maybe carelessly, and throws him

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down. Can I exhale over? Yeah. Jesus responds,

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As thou hast thrown me down, so shalt thou fall,

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nor ever rise. And that boy immediately falls

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down and dies too. Just like that. For bumping

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into him. Just like that. These stories present

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a really startling picture of divine authority

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manifesting with swift fatal consequences for

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those who oppose or even just accidentally offend

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him. It's a stark contrast to the often patient

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portrayal in the canonical Gospels, isn't it?

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Absolutely. It's a very different kind of power

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being depicted. Does this cause fear? It seems

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to. There's an account of Jesus going to school.

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A master named Zacchaeus tries to teach him the

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alphabet, starting with Aleph. Okay, school time.

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But Jesus says he'll only pronounce the next

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letter, Beth, if Zacchaeus first explains the

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meaning of Aleph. The deeper meaning. Challenging

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the teacher on the first letter, bold. Very.

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When Zacchaeus threatens to whip him for being

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difficult, Jesus doesn't just explain the profound

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meaning of the letters himself, but demonstrates

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knowledge far beyond any master. Zacchaeus is

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astonished and says Jesus was born before Noah.

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Born before Noah. Yeah. Implying pre -existence

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again. So what happens with the whipping threat?

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Well, they try sending him to a supposedly more

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learned master, but when this master lifts his

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hand to strike Jesus, his hand withers and he

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dies. The teacher dies for trying to discipline

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him. According to this text, yes. Joseph becomes

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fearful after this, understandably, afraid to

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let Jesus out of the house because it seems everyone

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who displeases him meets a swift negative end.

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Yeah, I can see why Joseph would be worried.

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Which brings us, I guess, to the one childhood

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event that is shared with the canonical Gospels.

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Jesus at age 12 in the temple. Right. During

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the feast in Jerusalem, they go up, Jesus stays

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behind among the doctors, elders, learned men.

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That part's familiar from Luke. But this text

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expands on it. Dramatically, his interaction

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isn't just passively asking questions like a

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curious kid. He's actively engaging, debating,

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teaching, really. How so? What does he do? He

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asks these profound theological questions, probing

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their understanding of Scripture. Things like,

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whose son is the Messiah? Why does David call

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him Lord? questions that, you know, pop up again

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in his adult ministry. So already engaging in

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serious theological debate. Absolutely. And he

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displays astonishing knowledge that goes way

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beyond scripture alone. He explains the meaning

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of the letters, the law, the prophets, sure,

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but also mysteries that, quote, the mind of no

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creature could reach. Mysteries beyond human

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understanding. That's the claim. a rabbi is amazed,

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declaring him more learned than any master, and

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repeating that idea that he was born before Noah,

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reinforcing that pre -existence theme. And it

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wasn't just religious knowledge, right? The outline

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mentioned science. Exactly. His knowledge isn't

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limited to religious topics. An astronomer questions

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him, and Jesus explains the number of spheres,

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the heavenly bodies, their motions, sizes, how

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to interpret them, things human reason had never

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discovered, innate astronomical knowledge. At

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age 12. Okay. What else? Then a philosopher and

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physician probes him on science and philosophy.

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And Jesus explains physics, metaphysics, things

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above and below nature, the entire workings of

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the human body. It's powers, humors, members,

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bones, veins, arteries, nerves, constitutions,

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even the soul's operations, sensations, faculties,

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how things are composed and dissolved. The text

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claims these are things the understanding of

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no creature had ever reached. Complete knowledge

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of everything, basically. That's the picture

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painted. The philosopher is so overwhelmed he

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worships Jesus right there and vows to be his

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disciple. So it's a 12 year old not just why

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is beyond his years in religion but possessing

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this complete innate divine and scientific knowledge

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that surpasses all human understanding and discovery.

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A very different scene from Luke's brief mention.

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Very different indeed. Then Mary and Joseph find

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him after three days of searching. Mary asks

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you know why he did this causing them such worry.

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And his reply. Is it the same? Similar to the

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canonical account. Why did you seek me? Did you

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not know that I ought to be employed in my father's

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house? But this text explicitly adds that they

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did not understand his meaning. Ah, okay. Reinforcing

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their lack of comprehension of his true nature,

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maybe? Could be. They return to Nazareth, and

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the text says he was obedient to them, and Mary,

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just like in Luke, keeps all these things in

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her memory. It concludes this section by noting

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Jesus grew in stature, wisdom, and favor, echoing

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the more familiar gospel ending for that period.

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So after all that, what happens next according

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to this text? Does he keep doing miracles? Interestingly,

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no. From this point, the text states that Jesus

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began to conceal his miracles. Conceal them.

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Why? It suggests a deliberate choice, perhaps.

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He dedicated himself instead to studying the

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law until he reached the age of 30. A period

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of quiet preparation, stepping back from those

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constant public displays of power during his

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late childhood and young adulthood. So a shift

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happens after the temple incident. Seems so.

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He then reemerges, of course, for his public

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ministry, affirmed at the Jordan baptism by the

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voice from heaven and the descending dove. more

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closely with the familiar narrative. And how

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does this particular text end? It concludes with

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the beautiful doxological passage just praising

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God for life, being, redemption, mercy, and grace.

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It roots this whole extraordinary sometimes wild

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narrative firmly within a context of worship

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and divine providence. Wow. Okay. Taking a step

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back now from this deep dive. the contrast between

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this account and the, well, the very brief mentions

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of Jesus' childhood in the canonical Gospels

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is just stark, isn't it? Absolutely stark. The

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New Testament Gospels offer what a handful of

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verses about these years. This text gives us

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a full detailed and frankly kind of mind -boggling

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narrative filled with constant powerful and,

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yeah, sometimes unsettling miracles. It certainly

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offers a fascinating window into how some early

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Christian communities might have imagined Jesus'

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divine nature manifesting right from his earliest

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moments. Definitely. The sheer volume and variety

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of miracles. I mean, from healing and transformation

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to raising the dead and even inflicting swift

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judgment, it paints a picture of a child absolutely

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saturated with divine power, active and potent

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in the world from infancy. It suggests a really

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strong desire to emphasize his divinity and authority.

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like from day one, no waiting around. Precisely.

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So what does exploring a source like this offer

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you, the listener? Well, it gives you a unique

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perspective on the diverse landscape of early

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Christian thought and storytelling. Right. It

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shows you that the familiar biblical narratives

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weren't the only stories about Jesus circulating

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back then. Exactly. And that other communities

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held in shared accounts that emphasize very different

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aspects of his identity and power during his

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childhood. So maybe you could consider how this

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particular narrative of Jesus' childhood resonated.

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or maybe clashes with the more familiar one you

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grew up with. Yeah, and think about what the

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inclusion of these specific types of miracles.

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The speaking infant, the walking clay figures,

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the transforming mules, even those fatal curses

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on people who cross him. What might that tell

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us about the beliefs, maybe the anxieties, the

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theological priorities of the people who wrote,

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copied, and valued these stories? It really forces

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you to think about... the choices made when the

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biblical canon, the collection of books we know,

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was being formed, doesn't it? It does. And that

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leads us to our final provocative thought for

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you to mull over. Given how detailed, dramatic,

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and seemingly miraculous these stories are, why?

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Why were they ultimately not included in the

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collection of books that became the widely accepted

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New Testament? Mm -hmm. Good question. What might

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the exclusion of this really action -packed infancy

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narrative tell us about the theological perspectives,

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maybe the historical standards, or perhaps even

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the perceived audience of those who compiled

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the canonical Gospels? It definitely opens up

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a whole line of questioning about the process

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of canon formation itself, doesn't it? And the

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criteria by which early Christian texts were

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judged and selected or deselected. Absolutely.

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Well, thank you again for bringing this truly

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fascinating and really unexpected source material

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to our attention. It's been an extraordinary

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deep dive into a very different kind of childhood.

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It certainly has quite the journey.
