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What do they look like without the hat? Take

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the hat off. Good question. No, no, no. We have

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to get a super chat for him to take the hat off.

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Yeah, what do you look like with the hat off?

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What do you look like? Got long hair? Short hair?

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I actually have a conspiracy theory that Debian

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is just Gen 2 with a GUI installer because I'm

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sitting here saying, okay, let me build my Hugo

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site. Oh, no, my Hugo version is 40 versions

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behind because it's on 111 .3, not 152 .2, which

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is what I'm used to. So I'm like, okay, no problem.

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Let me just build that from source. I got to

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use Go to build Hugo. Go is on version 1 .19,

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not... 1 .25 .4 so i can't actually get go so

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i've got to compile go from source to compile

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hugo from source to load my to like start developing

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my website let me preemptively say what link

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cars is going to say on guys on my mac os machine

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it works totally fine i don't know what you're

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talking about the best unix distro look now i

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have a question for you guys Do you realize about

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the issue until the video is recorded or can

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you hear it in real time? Because sometimes you'll

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think you hit the start button, but you didn't.

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Or it was already started and what you did was

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click stop. Yeah. Because sometimes you get on

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backwards. And then 17 hours later, you're finished

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with your Linux from scratch tutorial, but you

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didn't record any of it. So nobody believes that

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you even, you know. Another pro tip, if you're

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going to do like a two hour. Wayland or X11.

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What are your guys' thoughts? Not everything

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works on Wayland. Keep X11, definitely. X11?

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Okay. Why, Andrea? Incredibly based. If you're

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listening to this as a podcast, remember that

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it was originally recorded as a video. If you're

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not following along, you can go to my YouTube

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channel. My username is Linkarsu. And if you

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want to support me to keep this podcast going,

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you can donate in Ko -fi. I'm going to leave

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a link in the description. All right? So let's

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get started with this chapter then. Andrea, do

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you want... Do you want to... give us the the

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goal you want to start you want to you want to

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do the countdown so we start one two three start

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there we go thank you so hey everyone we have

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four guests today we have andrea distro tube

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darth and tony you guys already know them yeah

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i think we all know this crowd yeah yeah all

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of my audience pretty much um knows you guys

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but We're just going to do the introductions.

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We have a timer on the screen, right? So each

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one of the guests is going to have three minutes

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so you guys can talk about yourselves. Just in

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case there's someone in the audience that doesn't

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know you. What are the topics that we're going

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to be covering today? We're going to be talking

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about Debian versus Arch. It's not like a versus,

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you know, that was just to create some drama

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around it. But yeah, we're just going to discuss.

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But not Linux versus Windows, no? You want to

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talk about Linux? Not Windows 11 because it's

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terrible. I hate it. Oh, yeah. We can talk about

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Windows if you want as well. Yeah, why not? Can

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I talk bad about macOS? Yes. Oh, yeah. That would

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be a four versus one, I think. It's four against

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one, correct. Yeah. So let's go with Andrea first.

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I'm going to start the timer, Andrea, so you

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can talk about yourself, like how you got started

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with Linux, with computers, about your YouTube

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channel. Yeah, anything that you want to share

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about you, I'm going to start the timer. And

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when the three minutes are done, we're going

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to stop and we're going to move then to the next

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guest. Okay? Yeah. So my time starts now. Yep.

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It starts now. Well, I'm Andrea Borman. I used

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to use Windows 7. and Windows 8 and Windows XP.

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And then three and a half years ago in 2022,

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I switched to Linux full time. I used Linux Mint,

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but of course I've used Linux on and off before,

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mostly Linux Mint, although I didn't switch to

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it. I had Windows on the other computers and

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Linux Mint on the spare, which I hardly ever

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used, but I was a diehard Windows user until

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life got unbearable on Windows 8, Microsoft dropped

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support. And so... I switched to Linux full time,

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wiped all the windows off my computers, got rid

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of my old netbooks, and now I'm on Linux. This

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is where I am now. Hi, where did you go? Do you

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want me to share my screen? What do you want

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me to do now? No, I'm going to share mine so

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we can take a look at your channel real quick

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here. At the moment, it says I've got two minutes,

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four seconds. So what do we do in the two minutes,

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four seconds? What do you want to talk about?

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You want to talk to us about your channel? Yeah,

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well, it's been going since 2009. As you see

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there, the old videos are Windows videos. And,

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I mean, I started making Linux videos last year

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because, well, I mean, it takes a lot of time

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making videos. But, you know, I started making

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Linux videos last year. Before that, they were

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about, what is it, Windows, weren't they? Mm

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-hmm. Okay. Although I use Debian, a lot of the

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software I install is from Linux Mint because

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I like it. I've successfully got the Mint Software

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Center on Debian. I think Debian should start

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including the Mint Software Center. It's really

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good. Well, you'll probably see it later on.

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I'll show you later if you let me show my screen,

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yeah? Yeah, we can take a look at that later.

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When you give us a demo on your setup, you can

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show us. When do you want me to do that? Oh,

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after we do the introductions. I've only got

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58 seconds, so I haven't got much time left.

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The clock is ticking. Go on, continue. Share

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with us about you. Well, not much really, except

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I use Debian full -time now. But basically, if

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you know how to use Linux Mint and Ubuntu, you'll

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know how to use Debian because it's the same.

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I mean, Ubuntu is based on Debian, except Ubuntu

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has a lot of add -ons and they have more... tweaks

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and graphical tools to make it easier. But Ubuntu

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and Debian are really the same, but Ubuntu have

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a few extras on their own. You know what I mean?

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That's basically how to explain it in a long

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story short. Okay, awesome. I think that's right,

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isn't it? They're both the same, really. So if

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you know how to use Ubuntu, you'll know how to

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use Debian. So once you've used Linux Mint, then

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you'll use Debian because it's the same operating

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system, isn't it? Yeah, okay, Andrea. Really

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appreciate that. Now, for people in chat, if

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you have questions or if you want me to read

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any messages, I'm going to read Super Chat. So

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if you leave them there, we're going to take

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a look at them later on. Okay. Now, next in line,

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we have DistroTube. Everyone knows DT. So you

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want to share a little bit about you, DT? Hey,

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guys, I'm DT. Derek Taylor is my name. Everybody

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knows my name on YouTube. So DT, obviously, is

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my initials in real life. It's also initials

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for DistroTube as well. So it's convenient that

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it worked out that way. But I've been a Linux

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user. I've been a Linux user. I mean, using servers

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dating back to the 1990s, but full time on the

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desktop since about 2008. So and, you know, I

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know we're framing this as. Debian versus Arch.

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I've probably spent more time on Debian and Debian

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-based distributions than I have Arch, but I've

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used both a lot. As a matter of fact, most of

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my web servers that I use for hosting things,

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almost all of them, if Ubuntu LTS server is a

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choice, that's usually what I'd go with. I would

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never put Arch on a server, unless you're insane,

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which I'm not. But yeah, I've been doing YouTube.

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Since 2017, I started the YouTube channel. So

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I've been at that for a long time now, over eight

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years. And it's basically all kinds of Linux

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and free software related stuff. So a lot of

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nerdy stuff about tiling window managers and

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command line utilities, the GNU core utils, Vim,

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Emacs. You know, a lot of that kind of nerdy

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stuff. But also, you know, some more beginner

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-friendly content as well along the way. It's

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been quite the journey with YouTube because when

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I started the YouTube channel, I knew nothing

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about audio or video, especially on Linux. Why

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would you know that stuff if you don't do YouTube

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kind of content? I didn't have a camera, didn't

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have a microphone. So just the whole YouTube

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journey on Linux has been a... It's been a real

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learning experience using all the video editors

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and audio editors over the years and realizing

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how much good software there is in the Linux

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space, how much bad software there is in the

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Linux space. There's been some challenges along

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the way, but it's gotten so much better just

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in those eight years. Like, it's just crazy.

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And certainly in the 15 or 16 years since just

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using Linux full time on the desktop, it's like

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it's night and day. where Linux is at on the

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desktop now than it was back then. Like now,

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I mean, I've probably put hundreds of people

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on Linux over the years, converting Windows machines

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over to Linux. Even like, you know, elderly people

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that are not tech savvy typically put those folks

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on something like Ubuntu or Linux Mint or, you

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know, some of those more beginner -friendly distributions.

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And Linux has become so easy nowadays. Like most

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of those people, I install Linux on their machines,

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never hear from them again. It just, it works

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partly because they don't do much on their machines.

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They don't actually update the system, right?

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Like they don't do anything. So, you know, so.

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And you know what? I have a funny story because

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I had an interview with COVID, the creative kitty,

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and he's an arch user. But the funny story is

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that he mentioned that he uses arch in all his

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servers. And I'm like, yeah, he's not afraid

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of anything. He says he's been using arch for

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the past 20 years. So I guess. Yeah. I mean,

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I, I'm very experienced with Arch, but I don't

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need that kind of headache in my life on a server.

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Because a server, I don't even want to have to

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update the thing. You install it, you come back

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in five years if it's still running. Good, yeah.

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Okay. You can't do that with Arch. If you tried

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to take an update on an Arch server after a long

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time, I mean, it's guaranteed it's going to break

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badly. Like you would have to completely reinstall.

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Okay, awesome. Thanks, DT. Next in line, we have

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Darth. What time is it for you, Darth? Where

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are you located at? Central Europe, as far as

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the time zone, right, in Croatia. So it's 1 .20

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a .m. It's pretty bright outside for 1 .20. That's

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just the lights. Oh, my time has started. Anyways,

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you asked about the time, right? What I want

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to hear about. I started with Linux. Actually,

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I started with Unix first. It was around, I keep

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forgetting the years, but it was around 95, I

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think. there was these university terminals the

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the 80 by 29 just just the text mode right this

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is where i started learning uh about how unix

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works and little tiny details and some older

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guys told me you can have this at home and i

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was like how there's this thing called linux

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so you can install that at home and that's how

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it started because it was um it was a debian

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cd that i got from a um newspaper magazine. It

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was Debian 1 .3 then. I don't remember the year

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anymore. But, you know, it took like two days

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to just get the mouse pointer on the screen back

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then. You would have to install the operating

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system and then you don't have any drivers because

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there are no kernel modules that can be loaded.

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And then you can... install the source for the

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kernel recompile it get the drivers for the modem

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go to the internet get the new kernel recompile

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it again get the drivers for the graphics card

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it would take a while compared to what Linux

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is now you know later on Windows user like all

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the way I don't know up to I don't know Windows

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7 or something like that and I got a little bit

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bored of all of the crap that's coming from from

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that company after Windows 7. The 7 was pretty

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okay. After that, not so much. And one of the,

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just to make it shorter, one of the strongest

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reasons, because I'm a gamer as well, one of

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the strongest reasons why I was in fact able

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to remove Windows entirely from all of my computers

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was Valve and the state of gaming nowadays. It's

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pretty great. Okay. And what about your YouTube

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channel? You almost have 6 ,000 subs, 318 videos.

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Why did you start with that? About two years

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ago. So it has been climbing like steadily, you

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know, nothing groundbreaking, except for one

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day when DT recommended my channel. That was

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a spike, a big one. But other than that, it is

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going really fine. I mean, I talk usually just

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about what I want. and what I'm doing with Linux

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and how I feel about any topics basically that

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I want to talk about. And it goes nicely, you

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know. People tend to like channels that are not,

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you know, when you look at the big channels with

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millions of subscribers, they all feel a little

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bit the same. And sometimes people want something

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refreshing. So I think I can add a little bit

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to that. Okay. I'm sober. We're going to respect

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the time. Um, I started your timer without letting

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you know. I'm sorry. Okay. Now we also have Tony,

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Tony, by the way. Now this guy has the same microphone

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as DT, right? Tony, why is that? Yeah. Um, so

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there's two mics that people usually jump to.

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Um, one is this kind of Joe Rogan mic. And the

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other one is I would, I guess we can call it

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the DT mic, but it's to me, it's like, if you

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do some research and you kind of figure out like

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there's, one better than the Joe Rogan mic. The

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Joe Rogan mic is like the first one you find

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on Google. And like the second one you find is

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actually probably slightly better. And I think

00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:53.379
this one actually is a little bit better. So,

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um, I actually found it in one of DT's, uh, like

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studio tour videos and I'm like, that looks interesting.

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So I did some research. It's a pretty good broadcasting

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mic. Um, but yeah, is this part of my time or?

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Yeah, no, no, no. Let's start your timer. Let's

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start your timer so you can share about you.

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There we go. Yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah, my

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name is Tony and I make Linux and free software

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tutorials, mostly like deep dives on one specific

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topic, usually like a window manager or how to

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install like a distro. And I do usually make

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tutorials to accompany them, like handwritten

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tutorials to accompany the videos so that people

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can follow them pretty easily. So like, for example,

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if I make a Linux from scratch tutorial, I'll

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put it on the website so people don't have to

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just watch the video. you know, follow the blog

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or whatever to go along with it. And I actually

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use Emacs for both the script writing process

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and the tutorial on the website. So it's pretty

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good for the workflow. But yeah, I think my goal

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for the channel, I guess, is to provide people,

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I guess, to lower friction for people that want

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to use stuff that seems complicated, but it's

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actually not that bad when you just jump into

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it. So, you know, provide some guides and stuff

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like that. And, you know, right now what I've

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been working on outside of like the tutorial

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and the YouTube stuff is I've been working on

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this window manager that's similar to DWM. And

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but it has more batteries included and has more

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of a friendly config process. So I've been writing

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that and actually been daily driving it for about

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a month or two. And it's been pretty smooth.

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I might make a video on it soon when it's kind

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of more dialed. But, yeah, I guess for today's

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debate, I know it's like a debate or whatever.

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I do want to plan to make the case that Arch

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is the best legacy distro, like in terms of legacy

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distros. I think Arch is definitely the best.

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And then Debian is, I will say, not ideal for

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certain types of users, but I actually will say

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it is ideal for other types. And we'll get into

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that later for sure. But yeah, I think the reason

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that I got into YouTube was because a couple

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of my friends kept asking me, hey, like, how

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do I install Arch Linux? So I would link them

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a video like. there's a video that I would like

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link them every time. And here's a video on how

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to install Arch Linux. And I decided, you know

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what, maybe I'll just try making my own videos

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so that I can just send them my own video. And

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I made that for my friends and it ended up getting

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some views from just random people and some comments

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from random people on the internet. So I was

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like, you know what, I'll make a Gentoo version

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of this too. And that one got more views. So

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basically you just kept going from there. And

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then you have to kind of go full circle. That's

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when I started thinking, okay, there's way more

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that goes into YouTube than just like what people

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see on that side. And that's where I got, And

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some information from DT's channel, a lot of

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help from him. He makes a lot of content on like

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YouTube, things that you don't know, like going

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into it, you know, like camera stuff, mic stuff,

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recording, editing, all that stuff. So, yeah,

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that's how I have the same mic. I literally have

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the same microphone as him. And so, yeah, it's

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interesting. But yeah, that's I'll reclaim my

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time or whatever. You guys can take my 13 seconds

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back. But yeah, that's about it. Well, I would

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like to use these few seconds because I meant

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to tell Darth that not a lot of men. Would rock

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that red fedora like that. But, man, you pull

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it off. I wish I could do it, but I don't look

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good in hats. I look weird wearing a hat. Yeah,

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I get most comments from people who don't like

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the company. What do they look like without the

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hat? Take the hat off. Good question. Would you

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look like without the hat? No, no, no. We have

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to get a super chat for him to take the hat off.

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Yeah, what do you look like with the hat off?

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What do you look like? Got long hair, short hair?

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Don't see many men in hats these days. They're

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not fashionable, are they? You used to see them

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50 years ago, but now not many people wear a

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hat, do they? No. It's just gentlemen. Honestly,

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this doesn't really work in the real world outside.

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You don't wear it outside when you go shopping

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or anything? No, you don't wear it outside? No,

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I tried once. Why not? With a red jacket, maybe?

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I like red. Here in my city, we have a yearly

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Linux kind of conference. Where are you? In Eastern

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Europe, what country are you? Where are you?

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What country are you in? Yeah, Croatia. I've

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heard of it. Croatia. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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That's all pretty much one big bundle. Yeah,

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I've heard of it. I know. I wanted to say that

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there is this local Linux conference to which

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I went, and I was thinking about wearing this,

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but I just left it in the car. Why? I was like,

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let's blend in. I got a question for you, actually,

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if you don't mind me asking, Darth. Are you an

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industry plant? I've heard a theory that you're

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an industry plant from Red Hat. To kind of subvert

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the canonical situation? Like, is that what's

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been going on here? And if that is the case,

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are you allowed to admit that or no? I mean,

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I might do the blink thing on camera, but I'm

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not really allowed to comment on that. You have

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to pay to use Red Hat. It's not free. It's not

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a free operating system. You have to pay to use

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it, don't you? It's like Windows. It's not free,

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is it? Red Hat's not free. You have to pay. For

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a personal... For personal usage, you actually

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can get it without paying the money, but... I

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didn't know you had to pay for Red Hat. I heard

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you had to pay to use it. You can get it without

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paying, but it's... But they don't have much.

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They've only got their own desktop, and with

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Wayland, I don't think I'd like that, would I?

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No, the question is... Andrea, Andrea, the question

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is, does he use Red Hat? Maybe he does, yeah.

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Could do. That's a good question, yeah. Do you

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use Red Hat? He uses FreeBSD. I've seen some

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tutorials on FreeBSD. He uses FreeBSD as well,

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don't you? Yeah, I actually like every free software.

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So free software is cool. I couldn't even get

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it installed, FreeBSD. I couldn't even get it.

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Maybe I can help you with that. I think all free

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software is really cool in the terms of what

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it brings to the community. You can't even get

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it running in FreeBSD. It's all command prompts.

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You can't use it, can you? I couldn't. Yeah,

00:21:01.059 --> 00:21:03.640
yeah, you have to. I'll never use it, will I?

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The FreeBSD installer is very similar to the

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old Debian in -curses installer. So why not when

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it works in Virtual Machine and Invert Manager?

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It doesn't work on... Oh, yeah. Well, in a virtual

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machine, it could be a driver problem. What about

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distro .c, the website where you can try out?

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I tried it on distro .c. It was just commands,

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weren't it? I didn't know what command you're

00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:25.539
supposed to put in to start it, do you? How did

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it start? Didn't get very far. The same with

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art. Andrea, do you want to show us a tour of

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your desktop? We're going to switch to your screen.

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Why not? So do you want me to do it now? Yes,

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you're going to have... I'll just put the browser

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down so that you can see my screen, yeah? You're

00:21:41.819 --> 00:21:43.819
going to have three minutes and you can show

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us what you got on your screen, like the window

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manager. This is Debian with GNOME Flashback.

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Well, because there's two types of GNOME. There's

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main GNOME and GNOME Flashback. Now, Debian and

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Ubuntu supports GNOME Flashback. And with it,

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you get a menu like this with all your applications.

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And you can put icons on the desktop. This is

00:22:04.460 --> 00:22:06.980
where you minimize buttons. And this is the control

00:22:06.980 --> 00:22:09.400
center, a typical control center that you get.

00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:13.680
The control center is very, very nice. And you've

00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:18.220
got the option to change things. And I see you've

00:22:18.220 --> 00:22:21.039
got these lovely Ubuntu wallpapers. And for the

00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:24.240
spirit of Ubuntu, why don't we change it to this?

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And now my desktop's changed. And what else do

00:22:27.579 --> 00:22:30.839
we have? This is another way you can launch your

00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:33.359
apps through here. And what have we got here?

00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:39.220
Mint's driver manager, which I installed. No

00:22:39.220 --> 00:22:41.759
hacks. I just installed, but unless it's only

00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:45.000
three minutes, I think. Well, what I want to

00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:47.019
show you, since I've only got three minutes left,

00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:49.660
is how about the software manager, the Mint Software

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Center, because we want to launch it, don't we?

00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:54.599
The Mint Software Center works on Devlin. You

00:22:54.599 --> 00:22:56.680
must see this because you've got Synaptic, but

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anyone who wants a graphical. Software Center,

00:22:59.299 --> 00:23:01.660
don't use GNOME software. Don't use Plasma Discover.

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They're not very good. Use this. There's no flat

00:23:04.380 --> 00:23:06.359
packs installed. But see, if you want to install

00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:09.119
something, it's pretty simple. You've got screenshots.

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You've got reviews. How long have I got left?

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Oh, you have two minutes left. Oh, because I'm

00:23:17.539 --> 00:23:20.640
roughing away. And you see the way they've listed

00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:25.579
everything up. I mean, you can even install desktop

00:23:25.579 --> 00:23:30.589
environments. For example. Not that I would.

00:23:30.690 --> 00:23:32.890
I would probably do it from Synaptic or Terminal.

00:23:33.170 --> 00:23:36.910
You can install a full desktop environment from

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here, which is amazing, isn't it? The last time

00:23:39.230 --> 00:23:41.549
we talked, you said that you were using Debian

00:23:41.549 --> 00:23:46.329
as your daily driver. Is it Mint now? No, I'll

00:23:46.329 --> 00:23:50.769
prove to you that it is Debian. You'll see it

00:23:50.769 --> 00:23:53.250
here. If I just open up this little terminal

00:23:53.250 --> 00:23:57.920
and fast -fetch, you'll see what it is. This

00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:03.220
doesn't lie. Oh, okay. It is Debian. Okay. But,

00:24:03.220 --> 00:24:07.720
you know, the Debian wallpapers are not very

00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:10.079
good. You know, the Debian wallpapers is horrible.

00:24:10.220 --> 00:24:12.019
This is something they don't do very well, the

00:24:12.019 --> 00:24:14.839
wallpapers. So I've got the wallpapers from Linux

00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:20.019
Mint and from Ubuntu Cinnamon. For example, if

00:24:20.019 --> 00:24:22.059
you want a touch of Ubuntu Cinnamon, you've got

00:24:22.059 --> 00:24:25.420
this. I'll put it back to how it was. It's nice.

00:24:26.419 --> 00:24:28.960
It's fairly easy to get along with, really, isn't

00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:34.680
it? Well, we're back here, aren't we? Yep, yep.

00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:37.700
Well, there's quite a lot to see, but I thought

00:24:37.700 --> 00:24:39.559
I'd show you the Mint Software Center. For anyone

00:24:39.559 --> 00:24:41.619
that wants to install it, go to my channel and

00:24:41.619 --> 00:24:45.359
there's a tutorial on it. Awesome. Thanks for

00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:49.160
sharing that, Andrea. Really appreciate it. Mint

00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:52.099
Software Center. Mint Software Center. Okay,

00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:56.609
awesome. Linux Mint Software Manager. Whatever,

00:24:56.690 --> 00:25:01.069
yeah. Okay. We have a super chat here. Let me

00:25:01.069 --> 00:25:03.329
show it to you. What does that mean? It's when

00:25:03.329 --> 00:25:07.170
someone sends money to you on YouTube. And it

00:25:07.170 --> 00:25:11.289
says, Andrea rocks. And it was sent by Linux

00:25:11.289 --> 00:25:14.430
Renaissance, which is in the call, by the way.

00:25:14.809 --> 00:25:20.859
I can't receive money. We have to set it up in

00:25:20.859 --> 00:25:23.640
your account if you want to. Well, I'm on welfare

00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:26.140
benefits. We're not on disability benefits because

00:25:26.140 --> 00:25:29.660
I can't work. We're not allowed to work if you're

00:25:29.660 --> 00:25:32.539
on benefits. It's the law in England. If you're

00:25:32.539 --> 00:25:35.299
on benefits, you're not allowed to work. It's

00:25:35.299 --> 00:25:37.700
against the law to work and claim benefits, so

00:25:37.700 --> 00:25:40.740
I can't. Oh, I see. So it's against the law.

00:25:40.740 --> 00:25:42.160
I don't want to do anything that's not legal.

00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:45.339
Oh, makes sense. I'm on benefits because I'm

00:25:45.339 --> 00:25:47.279
not able to work. We're not allowed to work in

00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:50.900
claim benefits. I'm unable to work because I'm

00:25:50.900 --> 00:25:52.720
unfit for work, so I've got disability benefits.

00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:56.019
So we're not allowed to work. So you cannot get

00:25:56.019 --> 00:25:59.319
any sort of income, not even from YouTube, right?

00:25:59.420 --> 00:26:02.140
Well, I'm not able to work. Well, if I was able

00:26:02.140 --> 00:26:04.259
to work, I wouldn't be on disability benefits.

00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:06.539
I'm not able to work. I can't work. That's why

00:26:06.539 --> 00:26:08.680
I'm on the disability benefits in the first place,

00:26:08.700 --> 00:26:10.990
because of that. So you're not allowed to work

00:26:10.990 --> 00:26:13.509
and claim benefits. It is illegal. It's against

00:26:13.509 --> 00:26:16.029
the law in England. Against the law. Makes sense.

00:26:16.170 --> 00:26:18.869
Okay, that explains it. Okay, okay. We have another

00:26:18.869 --> 00:26:24.450
super chat here. And from Jan Dahl. DKK, what

00:26:24.450 --> 00:26:29.569
is this? DKK20. Danish, maybe. I'm not sure.

00:26:29.769 --> 00:26:33.269
Okay. An English person who's actually English.

00:26:33.690 --> 00:26:36.930
That's the message that he sent. Yeah, I'm English

00:26:36.930 --> 00:26:42.490
from London. Oh, okay. Awesome. Okay. Thank you,

00:26:42.490 --> 00:26:44.809
Andrea. Now we're going to move to the next guest,

00:26:44.930 --> 00:26:48.089
which is DistroTube. He's going to give us a

00:26:48.089 --> 00:26:52.230
quick show on his setup. Okay. Let me switch

00:26:52.230 --> 00:26:55.430
to your screen, DT. Just a minute. There we go.

00:26:55.490 --> 00:27:00.230
We can see it now. Yeah. So my setup may have

00:27:00.230 --> 00:27:03.809
some issues because I, yeah, I just reinstalled.

00:27:04.360 --> 00:27:07.079
the operating system on this computer just a

00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:09.299
few days ago. So this is a brand new installation

00:27:09.299 --> 00:27:12.660
of cache EOS. I haven't got everything set up

00:27:12.660 --> 00:27:15.240
exactly right. There's some missing programs

00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:18.160
for some of the scripts and stuff that I typically

00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:22.420
have on. But my window manager of choice is all

00:27:22.420 --> 00:27:24.980
it's a standard kind of tiling window manager,

00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:27.640
you know, dynamic kind of tiling window manager.

00:27:27.740 --> 00:27:30.460
You guys have probably, you know, seen, you know,

00:27:30.460 --> 00:27:35.049
this kind of window manager before. So Back to

00:27:35.049 --> 00:27:43.250
here. And you're on CacheOS, right, DT? I am.

00:27:43.410 --> 00:27:48.950
What about DTOS? So DTOS was what I was running,

00:27:49.049 --> 00:27:51.490
right? It's basically Arch Linux with my repos

00:27:51.490 --> 00:27:55.690
and everything. But on the reinstall, I just

00:27:55.690 --> 00:27:59.250
reinstalled using Cache. And I'm probably just

00:27:59.250 --> 00:28:02.339
going to... I'm going to try to simplify my life

00:28:02.339 --> 00:28:05.640
instead of trying to maintain my own distro basically

00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:10.539
for me. I had so many side projects going on.

00:28:10.619 --> 00:28:14.160
I can't keep up with it with everything in life.

00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:16.920
And then, you know, the YouTube channels and

00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:19.599
everything I do with YouTube and just, you know,

00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:22.279
I've got too much going on. So I'm going to simplify

00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:25.420
a lot of stuff, get rid of some of my GitLab

00:28:25.420 --> 00:28:30.119
projects. But, you know, for example. One of

00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:31.720
the projects I've been working on for a number

00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:33.420
of years I haven't done much with lately was

00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:37.319
the DM scripts, which is the various DMenu slash

00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:42.039
Rofi scripts that I have. Some of these are not

00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:44.180
even working properly these days because they

00:28:44.180 --> 00:28:47.640
were contributed by other people that didn't

00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:49.559
fully flesh them out in the first place. They

00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:52.039
never completed it. And I'm not going to go back

00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:54.039
behind them and try to work on some of those

00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:56.559
scripts because it wasn't my project to begin

00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:59.940
with. Some of them I have no use for. So I've

00:28:59.940 --> 00:29:01.839
got a lot of cleaning up to do. So that's part

00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:04.779
of why I did the reinstall is I really just needed

00:29:04.779 --> 00:29:08.460
a fresh start. So right now I don't have a lot

00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:10.299
of stuff installed on this system right now.

00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:12.579
It's just the Qtile window manager. That's the

00:29:12.579 --> 00:29:16.019
only window manager. I've got Emacs. I've got

00:29:16.019 --> 00:29:19.180
the Brave web browser and not much else. OBS,

00:29:19.380 --> 00:29:22.019
Kdenlive, GIMP, Audacity, and that's just all

00:29:22.019 --> 00:29:25.720
for content creation. I have not even... like

00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:28.440
enabled snaps or flat packs or any of that stuff.

00:29:28.619 --> 00:29:31.700
This is all just native Arch slash cache packages

00:29:31.700 --> 00:29:34.819
right now. I'm using snaps and flat packs and

00:29:34.819 --> 00:29:37.279
app images because I had them all on my previous

00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:40.019
installation. But at least right now, that's

00:29:40.019 --> 00:29:42.920
what I've got going on on this system. The terminal

00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:46.400
you saw was just alacrity is the terminal I've

00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:48.819
been using for a number of years. It works, so

00:29:48.819 --> 00:29:51.960
I stick with it most of the time. When I'm not

00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:54.079
in a web browser, I'm either in the terminal

00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:57.740
or I'm in Emacs for what I do. So that's where

00:29:57.740 --> 00:30:00.759
I spend most of my time. Okay. And why did you

00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:03.119
decide to go with CacheOS? Do you mind sharing

00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.079
that with us? Because I had never installed it

00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:11.940
on any of my machines. Oh, I see. Yeah. It's

00:30:11.940 --> 00:30:14.039
very popular these days, but I had never actually

00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:16.519
ran it myself. So I was like, well, I'm going

00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:18.299
to install an Arch -based system. Let me give

00:30:18.299 --> 00:30:20.799
this a try. The installer was very nice because

00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:23.279
it gives you the opportunity to install whatever

00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:27.019
desktop or window manager. You could make a really

00:30:27.019 --> 00:30:30.220
minimal install, which is what I did. So it's

00:30:30.220 --> 00:30:33.839
been nice so far. Awesome. Anyone has any questions?

00:30:34.259 --> 00:30:36.460
Tony has been really quiet today. What's going

00:30:36.460 --> 00:30:38.720
on, Tony? No, I'm just respecting the timer.

00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:42.519
Oh, okay. Anyone has any questions for DT or

00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:44.700
wants to add something? You're from the Deep

00:30:44.700 --> 00:30:48.119
South, aren't you, Derek? I am. We see lots of

00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:50.299
Americans in London, but very few people from

00:30:50.299 --> 00:30:52.559
the Deep South, yeah? Yeah, I live in Louisiana.

00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:53.720
You're from the Deep South, aren't you? Yeah,

00:30:53.740 --> 00:30:55.960
I live in Louisiana. Yeah, I bet the weather's

00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:57.859
warm. The weather we have in England's not very

00:30:57.859 --> 00:31:00.319
nice. It's been monsooning all day. It is very

00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.839
weird because right now it is in the 30s outside,

00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:05.940
which is very cold for this part of the world.

00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:09.220
80 degrees Fahrenheit. That's hot in England.

00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.480
We don't get below freezing very often where

00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.400
I live. In the north in New York. So he said

00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:19.940
it's in the 30s, which is pretty cold. Yeah,

00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:23.220
it's Fahrenheit. Because obviously in Celsius,

00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:26.400
that would be like two degrees Celsius. Two degrees

00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:31.019
Celsius. Damn. No, that's more like it here in

00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:32.980
England. We get that now. It's winter and it

00:31:32.980 --> 00:31:35.140
rains all the time. It's been raining nearly

00:31:35.140 --> 00:31:37.319
every day today. Raining and raining and raining

00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.759
every day. But in the evening it monsoons. That's

00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:42.019
why I have the hat. Because it's raining. It

00:31:42.019 --> 00:31:43.960
monsoons in England. We get monsoony rain. It

00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:47.799
monsoons. You get so much rain. It was monsooning

00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:50.559
a few hours ago. So what do you prefer, Andrea?

00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:54.089
You prefer... The cold weather or you prefer

00:31:54.089 --> 00:31:57.289
the sun? Well, I don't have a car. It's difficult

00:31:57.289 --> 00:31:59.529
to get out when it rains. You get soaking wet

00:31:59.529 --> 00:32:01.390
so you don't want to go out or you have to take

00:32:01.390 --> 00:32:03.970
taxes or you have to stay in whatever. If you

00:32:03.970 --> 00:32:05.809
have to go out in the rain, it's awful, isn't

00:32:05.809 --> 00:32:09.730
it? It monsoons. It monsoons. I mean, monsoon.

00:32:09.730 --> 00:32:12.549
You know monsoony rain. When it rains in England,

00:32:12.630 --> 00:32:17.339
it monsoons. It's always raining a lot. Oh, okay.

00:32:17.740 --> 00:32:21.240
Or in the summer it's too hot. It's even too

00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:23.339
cold in the winter or too hot in the summer.

00:32:23.539 --> 00:32:26.700
We get horrible weather here. We've got about

00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:28.759
three months out of the year during the summer

00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:30.140
where it's 100 degrees every day. In the summer

00:32:30.140 --> 00:32:32.599
it's terrible, too hot. The winter, it's cold.

00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:34.480
We get the extreme. That would be like 212. When

00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:36.519
it's not like that, it mums soon. Too cold. Too

00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:40.700
right. That's like too... I got a question for

00:32:40.700 --> 00:32:43.319
DT, actually, back on the Cache stuff. Okay,

00:32:43.339 --> 00:32:46.539
so you mentioned you switched to Cache, and I

00:32:46.539 --> 00:32:48.500
think partially because you were kind of on a

00:32:48.500 --> 00:32:52.099
quest to fix your audio issues. Did you ever

00:32:52.099 --> 00:32:54.579
end up having more issues after you disabled

00:32:54.579 --> 00:32:58.130
the... Desktop, whatever desktop audio on OBS.

00:32:58.630 --> 00:33:01.569
Oh, that actually that was the issue. If I disable

00:33:01.569 --> 00:33:04.369
just recording desktop audio and OBS, everything's

00:33:04.369 --> 00:33:08.329
fine. Yeah. OK, that's interesting. But, you

00:33:08.329 --> 00:33:11.289
know, for 95 percent of the videos I record,

00:33:11.450 --> 00:33:14.430
I don't need to record desktop audio. Rarely

00:33:14.430 --> 00:33:16.890
do I want to record desktop audio because if.

00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:19.819
I'm viewing something in the web browser and

00:33:19.819 --> 00:33:22.000
like there's a multimedia ad playing or something.

00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:23.539
I would never want the music playing because

00:33:23.539 --> 00:33:26.380
that could trigger a copyright in YouTube. So

00:33:26.380 --> 00:33:29.099
but when I'm on a Zoom call or a Discord call,

00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:31.700
something like this, I have to record the desktop

00:33:31.700 --> 00:33:34.559
audio, obviously. So doing this kind of video,

00:33:34.779 --> 00:33:37.299
I would have to enable it and I would get all

00:33:37.299 --> 00:33:39.500
kinds of weird crap going on with the audio.

00:33:39.539 --> 00:33:42.059
Like just like clipping or something like what

00:33:42.059 --> 00:33:44.039
kind of stuff was it? It was just dropped audio

00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:46.589
frames like every night. two to three minutes,

00:33:46.769 --> 00:33:48.690
there would be a section of about two seconds

00:33:48.690 --> 00:33:51.349
where it's like three or four really quick audio

00:33:51.349 --> 00:33:53.589
frames drop, where it would just garble two or

00:33:53.589 --> 00:33:56.029
three words and completely butcher a sentence.

00:33:56.690 --> 00:33:58.670
I noticed that recently, too. I don't know what's

00:33:58.670 --> 00:34:02.170
going on with that. I get the same thing. Disable

00:34:02.170 --> 00:34:04.289
the desktop audio if you don't need it, and that

00:34:04.289 --> 00:34:06.109
fixed my problem, so it'll probably fix your

00:34:06.109 --> 00:34:09.130
problem. Let me preemptively say what Linkars

00:34:09.130 --> 00:34:11.889
is going to say. Guys, on my macOS machine, it

00:34:11.889 --> 00:34:13.150
works totally fine. I don't know what you're

00:34:13.150 --> 00:34:19.690
talking about. No, no, no. The best Unix distro.

00:34:20.130 --> 00:34:23.949
Look. Now, I have a question for you guys. Do

00:34:23.949 --> 00:34:27.210
you realize about the issue until the video is

00:34:27.210 --> 00:34:30.429
recorded or can you hear it in real time? No.

00:34:30.489 --> 00:34:33.250
When I'm recording my microphone, I'm not previewing

00:34:33.250 --> 00:34:35.969
it because that's weird. Oh, I preview it. I

00:34:35.969 --> 00:34:38.789
know some people can do that, but I don't like

00:34:38.789 --> 00:34:42.269
it. I don't like monitoring my own voice. Yeah,

00:34:42.289 --> 00:34:44.289
usually if you will preview your microphone,

00:34:44.510 --> 00:34:47.590
you will preview it directly through the hardware.

00:34:48.210 --> 00:34:50.429
Yeah, it would probably sound just fine. Just

00:34:50.429 --> 00:34:53.030
fine, yeah. But for the computer, you get a delay.

00:34:53.369 --> 00:34:57.110
I preview it in OBS. I did a stream on Sunday

00:34:57.110 --> 00:35:01.590
and a Zoom call with my chat with patrons. It

00:35:01.590 --> 00:35:03.889
was fine streaming to YouTube because I'm recording.

00:35:04.210 --> 00:35:07.510
I had to enable the desktop audio in OBS to stream

00:35:07.510 --> 00:35:12.360
to YouTube, but I didn't record it. If I recorded

00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:16.059
it, the recorded audio would be garbled. Yes,

00:35:16.059 --> 00:35:18.719
here's something weird about the difference.

00:35:18.860 --> 00:35:22.659
So I'm on Debian, and when I record static videos,

00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:25.900
like just talking to the camera, maybe showing

00:35:25.900 --> 00:35:27.579
something on the desktop, but there is nothing

00:35:27.579 --> 00:35:31.340
playing on the desktop. This is the only capture

00:35:31.340 --> 00:35:34.360
device that I have, and I get these problems

00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.179
with garbled audio. And then I have a live stream

00:35:37.179 --> 00:35:41.179
where I play a video game for... an hour or two

00:35:41.179 --> 00:35:44.539
or three hours and i have both the game audio

00:35:44.539 --> 00:35:47.539
and the microphone audio and i don't have any

00:35:47.539 --> 00:35:51.579
issues so how is that possible i don't know it's

00:35:51.579 --> 00:35:53.440
an industry plant from the gaming complex they

00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:55.980
want you to play more games yeah yeah probably

00:35:55.980 --> 00:35:59.320
yeah i'm gonna do that yeah fine i always find

00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:01.099
it later when i'm editing the video and then

00:36:01.099 --> 00:36:03.380
i have to like re -record that part that part

00:36:03.380 --> 00:36:05.219
of me talking over it or whatever and then it's

00:36:05.219 --> 00:36:07.719
like yeah it's or sometimes actually i've been

00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:10.400
getting lucky where the part that's clipped is

00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:13.179
like just something I wasn't intending on putting

00:36:13.179 --> 00:36:15.659
in the final video anyway. So I'm like, I can

00:36:15.659 --> 00:36:19.099
leave that part out anyway. I'm listening to

00:36:19.099 --> 00:36:22.719
myself right now when I do it, when I record

00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:25.079
every video. At the beginning, I hated it, but

00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:27.599
I just got used to it and I can catch, you know,

00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.719
issues. So that's the reason I do it now. You

00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:32.619
like the sound of your own voice? You love it

00:36:32.619 --> 00:36:35.380
or you just like it? No, I don't like it at all.

00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:38.489
You love it? No. I can actually hear myself if

00:36:38.489 --> 00:36:46.289
I dial up the knob here. The knob? Yeah. No,

00:36:46.869 --> 00:36:49.650
you're just right. Now, you guys mentioned copyright

00:36:49.650 --> 00:36:51.849
strikes. I know it's not part of the discussion

00:36:51.849 --> 00:36:54.949
or anything, but have you guys dealt with copyright

00:36:54.949 --> 00:36:58.510
issues? Well, you're not monetized, Andra, right?

00:36:58.570 --> 00:37:01.010
So I guess you don't get any copyright issues

00:37:01.010 --> 00:37:04.269
on your YouTube account? No, I haven't had any

00:37:04.269 --> 00:37:07.030
now. No? What about you, DT? Oh, I've had hundreds

00:37:07.030 --> 00:37:10.550
of videos that have had issues in the past. Not

00:37:10.550 --> 00:37:13.150
lately. It's gotten better. When I first started

00:37:13.150 --> 00:37:16.869
YouTube, there was a period of time, seven, eight

00:37:16.869 --> 00:37:19.230
years ago, where for whatever reason, they were

00:37:19.230 --> 00:37:22.369
just demonetizing a lot of Linux content creators.

00:37:22.570 --> 00:37:24.610
Like, you'd upload a video, and as soon as it

00:37:24.610 --> 00:37:27.050
was uploaded, it would be demonetized. And then

00:37:27.050 --> 00:37:29.789
you'd appeal it, and it would always get overturned

00:37:29.789 --> 00:37:32.489
two or three days later. But by that time...

00:37:32.710 --> 00:37:34.849
If you'd already published the video, you've

00:37:34.849 --> 00:37:36.969
got all the views you were going to get out of

00:37:36.969 --> 00:37:39.710
that video. So now they monetize it. Nobody's

00:37:39.710 --> 00:37:41.650
watching it anymore. And why did that happen?

00:37:41.829 --> 00:37:43.829
There was probably a period. Why did that happen

00:37:43.829 --> 00:37:47.010
in the past? What was the reason? YouTube is

00:37:47.010 --> 00:37:49.829
never going to tell you what happened. They're

00:37:49.829 --> 00:37:52.010
never going to apologize and say, oops, we're

00:37:52.010 --> 00:37:54.829
sorry. We demonetized every video you made in

00:37:54.829 --> 00:37:58.789
the last year. And, you know, they don't do that.

00:37:59.730 --> 00:38:02.329
It's gotten better now. I haven't had those issues.

00:38:02.550 --> 00:38:05.610
But I mean, I've had videos that they demonetized

00:38:05.610 --> 00:38:10.789
and never overturned. I had a video on configuring

00:38:10.789 --> 00:38:13.309
the QTOL window manager, oddly enough, that they

00:38:13.309 --> 00:38:16.710
demonetized. I appealed. The appeal was rejected.

00:38:16.829 --> 00:38:19.349
And it's strictly just me writing some Python

00:38:19.349 --> 00:38:23.460
code. I don't even use bad language in my videos.

00:38:23.699 --> 00:38:27.079
There's just nothing in that video. They're like,

00:38:27.219 --> 00:38:30.079
nope, nope, this is not safe for children. We're

00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:32.639
going to age restrict it. I'm like, what? No

00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:35.019
response on when you tried to submit like an

00:38:35.019 --> 00:38:37.420
appeal? Yeah, nothing. No, it's just rejected,

00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:39.360
which I know nobody actually watched the video

00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:41.219
because there's nothing in the video. So I know

00:38:41.219 --> 00:38:44.139
that a human being actually didn't take it seriously

00:38:44.139 --> 00:38:46.929
and actually. Maybe it was one of your competitors

00:38:46.929 --> 00:38:49.250
at the time had like industry plant connections

00:38:49.250 --> 00:38:50.769
and said they wanted to get that demonetized.

00:38:51.269 --> 00:38:53.409
Yeah, one of them working at Google. If you're

00:38:53.409 --> 00:38:55.010
working at Google, you're probably not making

00:38:55.010 --> 00:38:56.769
YouTube videos because you're doing pretty well,

00:38:56.809 --> 00:39:00.090
right? You don't need YouTube. Yeah. What about

00:39:00.090 --> 00:39:03.449
you, Darth? Have you had any issues? Just a couple.

00:39:03.909 --> 00:39:07.389
Like last week, I streamed some really weird

00:39:07.389 --> 00:39:11.250
indie game. Like probably nobody would even want

00:39:11.250 --> 00:39:15.250
to play this. That's how indie it was. And after

00:39:15.250 --> 00:39:19.730
the stream ended, I got notified that the stream

00:39:19.730 --> 00:39:24.349
has the music that is, you know, played by someone.

00:39:24.869 --> 00:39:28.630
So I can't, I cannot, I can monetize it, but

00:39:28.630 --> 00:39:32.329
in a way that the money goes to the one who made

00:39:32.329 --> 00:39:34.650
the music. To the game developer. Yeah. Because

00:39:34.650 --> 00:39:38.269
they own the music, right? Yeah. Was it Undertale?

00:39:38.769 --> 00:39:43.300
No, the game. Yeah, the game. Or is it the one

00:39:43.300 --> 00:39:44.340
that looked like Quake that you were playing

00:39:44.340 --> 00:39:47.340
the other day? No, no, it's called Baika, which

00:39:47.340 --> 00:39:51.179
means fairytale in English. And I've had a couple

00:39:51.179 --> 00:39:53.739
of videos like that in the past where, yeah,

00:39:53.780 --> 00:39:57.440
I don't know if it was games or videos I played

00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:01.559
on things. And yeah, you know, you're demonetized.

00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:04.840
Any ads we run on this is the other creators

00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.500
getting this, which I get. So I never worry about

00:40:07.500 --> 00:40:09.500
those. I've had a couple of situations like that.

00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:13.699
Yeah. I know Linkarzu has had, if you want me

00:40:13.699 --> 00:40:15.519
to release this, have you had some kind of scam

00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:18.460
with the B -roll with somebody claiming that

00:40:18.460 --> 00:40:21.000
the B -roll you used was partially yours and

00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:24.139
they wanted to share your monetization? It didn't

00:40:24.139 --> 00:40:27.579
demonetize me because it was before I published

00:40:27.579 --> 00:40:30.780
the video, but I thought it was only audio related.

00:40:30.900 --> 00:40:34.340
But it turns out that it's also related to video.

00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.219
If you add clips and those clips, someone...

00:40:37.690 --> 00:40:40.469
claims them even if they have no audio at all

00:40:40.469 --> 00:40:43.869
they can demonetize your video and i was like

00:40:43.869 --> 00:40:49.250
yeah and i downloaded i downloaded the um the

00:40:49.250 --> 00:40:54.030
the b -roll from what's it called pixels or pexabay

00:40:54.030 --> 00:40:56.650
or something oh pixels yeah and in theory you

00:40:56.650 --> 00:40:58.949
know it's just stuff that you can use but no

00:40:58.949 --> 00:41:02.570
it's yeah you can get demonetized i mean for

00:41:02.570 --> 00:41:05.309
me i've had two situations one i have like um

00:41:05.309 --> 00:41:08.780
i was using some Claire DeLune, like, you know,

00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:11.900
that very famous song, some recording of it.

00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:14.619
And I got a strike saying like, oh, this is copyrighted

00:41:14.619 --> 00:41:17.739
and it's from this Korean channel. And it wasn't

00:41:17.739 --> 00:41:19.699
like that's not where I got it. I got it from

00:41:19.699 --> 00:41:23.599
some other source. So I just I just refuted the

00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:25.699
claim. And then 30 days later, they had just

00:41:25.699 --> 00:41:28.780
the person on the other end had never said anything.

00:41:28.860 --> 00:41:32.840
So they just I won the claim or whatever. But

00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:35.000
then like the other time is I had like a discussion

00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:37.380
with you once, Linkarzu, and I kept using the

00:41:37.380 --> 00:41:40.420
term proprietary garbage. So I got a letter from

00:41:40.420 --> 00:41:42.460
DT's office or whatever saying, hey, that's my

00:41:42.460 --> 00:41:45.000
phrase. You got to kind of chill out with that.

00:41:45.099 --> 00:41:47.699
You know what I mean? So we're in a discussion

00:41:47.699 --> 00:41:50.099
on kind of how we can both share monetization

00:41:50.099 --> 00:41:52.500
on the proprietary garbage phrase. But I thought

00:41:52.500 --> 00:41:54.219
it was a Creative Commons license. Well, it's

00:41:54.219 --> 00:41:55.880
interesting because... Adverts are a nuisance.

00:41:56.019 --> 00:41:58.480
They just keep playing more and more adverts.

00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.079
They're a pain in the neck. You know, you can't

00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:02.960
listen. You're trying to listen to someone's

00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:05.579
tutorial, and all of a sudden they play the adverts,

00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:08.019
and I can't concentrate. I hate these adverts.

00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:10.579
I really do. Ublock Origin, Andrea. Let's get

00:42:10.579 --> 00:42:12.500
you set up on Ublock Origin. That's a good idea.

00:42:12.739 --> 00:42:15.219
Well, I think Brave Browser has that, but not

00:42:15.219 --> 00:42:16.679
Google Pro. Brave, that's already built in. Yep,

00:42:16.699 --> 00:42:20.139
it sure is. That's what I use because I... Are

00:42:20.139 --> 00:42:21.619
we allowed to do that? I don't think we're allowed,

00:42:21.780 --> 00:42:25.630
are we? We are, legally. Brave is free. Free

00:42:25.630 --> 00:42:29.309
software. Maybe I could use Firefox with an add

00:42:29.309 --> 00:42:31.349
-on. Oh, I've got Firefox already. Why don't

00:42:31.349 --> 00:42:33.650
you try Brave? Give Brave a try so you don't

00:42:33.650 --> 00:42:36.150
have to install anything additional. The reason

00:42:36.150 --> 00:42:39.250
I installed Brave at first... Brave has got so

00:42:39.250 --> 00:42:42.289
many add -ons and AI and that. It's not... I

00:42:42.289 --> 00:42:44.090
wouldn't say it's all that... You like Google

00:42:44.090 --> 00:42:47.849
Chrome? Or Chromium? Well, Chromium's not up

00:42:47.849 --> 00:42:49.570
to date because you can only get it from the

00:42:49.570 --> 00:42:52.059
package manager. You can't download it. Whereas

00:42:52.059 --> 00:42:54.760
Google Chrome, you download it from the site,

00:42:54.820 --> 00:42:56.739
and it updates, and you don't have to wait for

00:42:56.739 --> 00:42:58.920
Debian or Ubuntu to update it, do you, Google

00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:01.059
Chrome? It's got the auto -updating on it. You

00:43:01.059 --> 00:43:03.320
can't use Firefox CSR either. I installed a web

00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:06.239
browser myself. I downloaded Firefox myself from

00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:08.340
the Firefox website, same in Waterbox, and I

00:43:08.340 --> 00:43:10.920
installed it myself. Well, with Debian, they

00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:12.699
haven't got the updated ones, have they? They've

00:43:12.699 --> 00:43:16.420
got the CSR. Yeah, I need to correct the incorrect

00:43:16.420 --> 00:43:20.150
statement here. Chromium is up -to -date. Chromium

00:43:20.150 --> 00:43:21.710
is up -to -date on Debian. Oh, Google Chrome

00:43:21.710 --> 00:43:23.889
was the most. But you can't download it from

00:43:23.889 --> 00:43:26.610
the internet. It's only like a bleeding -head

00:43:26.610 --> 00:43:28.650
version. It's not for everyday use. There is

00:43:28.650 --> 00:43:30.769
a download for Chromium. So you can only get

00:43:30.769 --> 00:43:32.510
Chromium from the package manager, but Google

00:43:32.510 --> 00:43:34.989
Chrome downloads itself. It is up -to -date.

00:43:35.050 --> 00:43:37.429
The one that is Chromium in Debian. Google Chrome

00:43:37.429 --> 00:43:40.570
is Chromium. It's the same, isn't it? I'm talking

00:43:40.570 --> 00:43:42.989
about the blue icon. The blue icon is up -to

00:43:42.989 --> 00:43:45.730
-date. Not the blue one. There's two. All right.

00:43:46.210 --> 00:43:48.469
Moving on to the next guest that is going to

00:43:48.469 --> 00:43:54.630
show his screen. We're going to move to Darth's

00:43:54.630 --> 00:43:57.389
screen because he's going to demo his workflow

00:43:57.389 --> 00:44:00.050
really quick. Okay. So we're going to start the

00:44:00.050 --> 00:44:04.230
timer and move to his screen. Okay. So where's

00:44:04.230 --> 00:44:08.329
the screen? Hold on. Hold on. There we go. That's

00:44:08.329 --> 00:44:12.190
a screensaver, isn't it? Oh, no, KDE. KDE. Surprise,

00:44:12.369 --> 00:44:17.150
surprise. Okay, so this is KDE Plasma with default

00:44:17.150 --> 00:44:20.409
wallpaper. But you don't have the taskbar at

00:44:20.409 --> 00:44:22.130
the bottom, do you? You've moved the taskbar.

00:44:22.389 --> 00:44:24.630
Yeah, it's here. It's here. It's at the top.

00:44:24.849 --> 00:44:27.750
No, no, no. The taskbar is still down there.

00:44:28.329 --> 00:44:32.650
The top only shows the time and the icons. Well,

00:44:32.650 --> 00:44:33.969
I thought you put the taskbar at the top and

00:44:33.969 --> 00:44:35.989
maybe you've added PlankDoc or something like

00:44:35.989 --> 00:44:37.329
this, because I know some people use... No, no,

00:44:37.329 --> 00:44:40.409
it's not Plank. It's still the original PlasmaDoc.

00:44:40.769 --> 00:44:44.409
Oh, you shrunk the taskbar. I only shrank it

00:44:44.409 --> 00:44:47.409
to be in the middle. So it looks a little bit

00:44:47.409 --> 00:44:49.789
like... You know, not many wallpapers haven't

00:44:49.789 --> 00:44:52.750
made Plasma. I've installed KDE Plasma with Debian

00:44:52.750 --> 00:44:55.489
with KDE on my other laptop. Debian tricks in

00:44:55.489 --> 00:44:59.579
KDE on the other laptop. Yeah. Andrea, hold on.

00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:03.639
Let's just give it a, let's, we're going to let

00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:06.280
Daret share his screen. Okay. So he's going to

00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:08.420
have three minutes and he can talk about his

00:45:08.420 --> 00:45:12.579
setup. Okay. Okay. Awesome. Thank you. Let's

00:45:12.579 --> 00:45:15.400
start. Okay. So the thing that I wanted to say

00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:19.119
actually is that I use Plasma for most of the

00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:23.599
time. Yeah. Sorry. Hold on. Sorry. Yeah. Hold

00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:26.340
on. The resolution is way too small. And the

00:45:26.340 --> 00:45:29.599
YouTube chat, they have like 12 -inch computers

00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:32.219
because they use, I don't know, like 30 -year

00:45:32.219 --> 00:45:34.039
-old computers. They will not be able to see

00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:36.900
anything. I'm not sure if you can inch the resolution.

00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:38.940
I can see it, but it's very small. I can see

00:45:38.940 --> 00:45:41.280
that. That's the control center. But you've got

00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:43.199
it in dark mode. You don't use the light beam,

00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:46.239
do you? Dark mode, yeah. Let's see if I can put

00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:50.010
it to 200. Oh, yeah. That is way better. Windows

00:45:50.010 --> 00:45:52.170
had light to use Windows 7, didn't it? We're

00:45:52.170 --> 00:45:54.869
going to start the timer again, OK? So now Dart

00:45:54.869 --> 00:45:58.289
has three minutes and he will share his screen.

00:45:58.429 --> 00:46:05.670
OK, so let's go. Yeah. Now. Third time. OK, nice

00:46:05.670 --> 00:46:10.429
one. As I said, I use KDE Plasma on this computer

00:46:10.429 --> 00:46:14.389
because it's kind of easy to use. And the reason

00:46:14.389 --> 00:46:19.960
why I have a default. The wallpaper is because

00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:23.719
I just don't care. I mean, most of the time everything

00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:26.579
is in full screen. So whatever it's beyond the

00:46:26.579 --> 00:46:30.340
screen on which I am working on, I don't care

00:46:30.340 --> 00:46:32.519
about the wallpaper. It can just stay as it is.

00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:36.179
Don't use the Debian wallpaper. The one thing

00:46:36.179 --> 00:46:37.940
they don't do well is the wallpapers, Debian.

00:46:37.980 --> 00:46:42.300
Lousy wallpapers. Sorry, Debian. I'm very polite

00:46:42.300 --> 00:46:44.199
and I'm going to stop when someone else is talking.

00:46:44.750 --> 00:46:49.329
Okay, yeah. Andrea, let's leave Tarek talk for

00:46:49.329 --> 00:46:53.449
his three minutes, okay? Yeah, so there are a

00:46:53.449 --> 00:46:57.170
couple of game launchers here, like Steam, you

00:46:57.170 --> 00:47:00.829
know, and Lutris, that's what I use. I use Telegram

00:47:00.829 --> 00:47:04.889
for some private messaging, obvious, of course.

00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:11.500
I used Kdenlive for almost two years for video

00:47:11.500 --> 00:47:14.960
editing. Now I'm trying out DaVinci free version

00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:19.239
and it's a little bit crap in terms of what you

00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:22.880
can get out of it for free. Yeah, I know the

00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:26.579
Mac gives you free, I mean free. It has built

00:47:26.579 --> 00:47:29.739
-in codecs. I'm just messing with you, man. No,

00:47:29.739 --> 00:47:34.480
no, I actually agree because the Mac has some

00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:38.320
built -in codecs that are paid for by Apple,

00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:41.119
as far as I know, so DaVinci can just use them

00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:44.559
for free. So that is a little bit of advantage,

00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:47.579
but generally you would have to pay for this

00:47:47.579 --> 00:47:50.780
software if you want to use it properly. And

00:47:50.780 --> 00:47:53.960
GIMP, of course, for editing thumbnails and some

00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:57.579
stuff like that. Krita is really cool because

00:47:57.579 --> 00:48:02.400
I have a tablet for drawing. So when I'm teaching

00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:05.360
something, I can draw and explain some things

00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:09.880
easier with a pen. That works really good in

00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:13.079
Krita, the tablet thingy. That's pretty much

00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:17.039
what I can show here. What about your terminal?

00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:19.860
What is your terminal? uh believe it or not it's

00:48:19.860 --> 00:48:23.219
console because why not i i'm just you know this

00:48:23.219 --> 00:48:26.639
computer uh this may be a little bit topic for

00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:30.320
later uh because uh this computer is supposed

00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:34.039
to be really reliable and i don't really have

00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:37.019
the urge to modify it too much i have another

00:48:37.019 --> 00:48:40.139
laptop on which i use openbsd and that one i

00:48:40.139 --> 00:48:47.659
modify quite a lot i use x11 and dwm and We can

00:48:47.659 --> 00:48:52.619
get into that soon. But that one is for like

00:48:52.619 --> 00:48:56.179
a pleasure drive, a pleasure in terms of modifications

00:48:56.179 --> 00:48:59.119
of the operating system and rising and stuff

00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:01.599
like that. And this one is just for like work,

00:49:01.619 --> 00:49:05.639
work and play. Okay. Okay. Awesome. Thanks, Art.

00:49:05.739 --> 00:49:08.300
Anything else you want to share? Because we interrupted

00:49:08.300 --> 00:49:11.219
you. Quite a few times. We haven't even started

00:49:11.219 --> 00:49:13.500
with the questions we have for today. But anything

00:49:13.500 --> 00:49:15.960
else you want to share? No, I think we can continue

00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:20.179
with the next guest. He did make one controversial

00:49:20.179 --> 00:49:23.579
statement. He said he doesn't care about wallpapers.

00:49:23.659 --> 00:49:27.360
And to me, it's all about the wallpapers. I have

00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:32.179
my own script, basically my own wallpaper setter,

00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:34.760
where I've got like 350 wallpapers that I've

00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:36.340
collected over the years. Because it's all about,

00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:39.769
you know. I've got to have some eye candy. It

00:49:39.769 --> 00:49:42.809
does most of the heavy lifting, right? It really

00:49:42.809 --> 00:49:45.570
does. It doesn't matter. I can deal with bad

00:49:45.570 --> 00:49:48.849
audio and desktops crashing. If the wallpaper

00:49:48.849 --> 00:49:54.769
is good, I'm set. Okay. What if the content is

00:49:54.769 --> 00:49:57.530
in full screen? It's a little bit difficult to

00:49:57.530 --> 00:49:58.929
get the wallpaper. Do you have a transparent

00:49:58.929 --> 00:50:02.670
DT? Is your terminal transparent? Oh, no. I hate

00:50:02.670 --> 00:50:05.869
transparent terminals. Oh. I can't stand it.

00:50:05.909 --> 00:50:08.210
Yeah, I turn off the transparency if it's enabled.

00:50:08.670 --> 00:50:13.210
That's another, what did you say? Controversial

00:50:13.210 --> 00:50:14.869
statement. Controversial statement, yeah, because

00:50:14.869 --> 00:50:20.710
the laptop that I do rice, it has a PCOM compositor,

00:50:20.730 --> 00:50:25.210
and I set it to make my terminal slightly transparent

00:50:25.210 --> 00:50:28.329
so I can peek through the dust of wallpaper.

00:50:28.769 --> 00:50:31.349
Look at that. Isn't that beautiful? You can see

00:50:31.349 --> 00:50:33.760
it a little bit there. Yeah, that's how I have

00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:36.179
it set up on the other computer, yeah. Just a

00:50:36.179 --> 00:50:40.039
little bit, like 90 % opaque. Yeah, a little

00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:45.940
bit, yeah. All right. So, Tony's next. Yeah,

00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:47.920
no, yeah, definitely. I can show kind of what

00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:52.639
I do on my setup here. Okay. Hold on, Tony. I'm

00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:55.179
going to switch to your screen right now. And

00:50:55.179 --> 00:50:59.079
we're going to start the timer. Let's go. Right

00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:03.139
on. Well... The first thing I'm going to do right

00:51:03.139 --> 00:51:08.760
now is... DT says he hates transparency, so let's

00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:12.380
get that out of here. Okay, so for this, I am

00:51:12.380 --> 00:51:16.039
using OXWM. It's like the window manager I was

00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:18.420
talking about. It's kind of like DWM, inspired

00:51:18.420 --> 00:51:22.039
by DWM at least, but it has disk batteries included,

00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:24.460
such as this bar. You can put your own widgets

00:51:24.460 --> 00:51:27.559
in the bar and stuff. And certain things like

00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:31.780
tab mode is included by default. and stuff like

00:51:31.780 --> 00:51:33.579
that. And I think the biggest thing about this

00:51:33.579 --> 00:51:36.519
is that, that I think is better than DWM is that

00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:38.579
it's not arbitrarily like really annoying to

00:51:38.579 --> 00:51:41.559
configure with like make file and stuff. Like

00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:44.280
you can just, you know, you can just change a

00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:45.760
setting just like your, whatever you're used

00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:48.699
to. So let's say I want to change D menu to Rofi

00:51:48.699 --> 00:51:51.000
or whatever, or I guess I already did, but let's

00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.500
say I want to change Rofi to D menu. I can change

00:51:53.500 --> 00:51:55.820
my key bind here. And then I have my mod key

00:51:55.820 --> 00:51:59.659
D here set up. I can just comment this one here.

00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:03.460
go over to D menu, change this to Rofi show D

00:52:03.460 --> 00:52:06.760
run. And then I can just hot reload. Cause again,

00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:08.599
you know, trying to stay away from the whole

00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:11.039
suckless meme where you can't hot reload out

00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:12.519
of the box and a lot of stuff. I think every

00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:14.820
window manager should have that by default. So

00:52:14.820 --> 00:52:17.320
that's kind of what I'm been daily driving is

00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:19.619
this window manager that I've made. And yeah,

00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:22.539
it's been nice. So that's your window manager,

00:52:22.619 --> 00:52:24.460
the one that you're demoing right now, right?

00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:29.269
Yeah. Yeah. So it's pretty cool. And then, I've

00:52:29.269 --> 00:52:30.869
been working on it for a while, and I think it's

00:52:30.869 --> 00:52:33.909
to a point where I just submitted it to Nix packages,

00:52:34.110 --> 00:52:37.730
and it got approved. So if it gets merged to

00:52:37.730 --> 00:52:41.070
Nix packages, it could just be in Nix packages,

00:52:41.190 --> 00:52:44.789
so that could be cool. And then why I like Arch

00:52:44.789 --> 00:52:46.610
Linux too is because you can just make a package

00:52:46.610 --> 00:52:48.449
build for something like this, and then it's

00:52:48.449 --> 00:52:52.190
in the AUR. So now people can download this window

00:52:52.190 --> 00:52:55.389
manager with the AUR just by using parry or yay

00:52:55.389 --> 00:52:58.239
or whatever. answer there's that and yeah just

00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:02.019
uh you know can go around like um you know just

00:53:02.019 --> 00:53:05.119
change sizes of windows basically it's it's like

00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.800
qtile or dwm or whatever but you know you can

00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:09.239
work on something like let's say i want to work

00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:12.539
on this c project or whatever and like um you

00:53:12.539 --> 00:53:15.199
know uh it's saying like oh you know failed here

00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:17.000
and then you go see what's going on with here

00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:20.000
okay how to change this to an int right okay

00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:23.719
this is a float you see what i'm saying and then

00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:26.489
you kind of Okay. Next. Okay. You see what I'm

00:53:26.489 --> 00:53:27.590
saying? So it's, it's, it's really convenient

00:53:27.590 --> 00:53:29.530
to hop around without using the mouse. You just

00:53:29.530 --> 00:53:32.349
switch terminals with the key binds and stuff

00:53:32.349 --> 00:53:33.750
and everything. It's like kind of where you want

00:53:33.750 --> 00:53:36.789
it. Um, but yeah, that's kind of my workflow.

00:53:36.929 --> 00:53:39.570
I don't, I'm a one monitor guy with most of my

00:53:39.570 --> 00:53:41.730
workflow until I started making YouTube videos.

00:53:41.789 --> 00:53:43.969
And now I think with the YouTube videos, I need

00:53:43.969 --> 00:53:46.409
at least two or three monitors for that. But

00:53:46.409 --> 00:53:50.309
besides that, just one monitor. So me too, one

00:53:50.309 --> 00:53:54.599
monitor, but YouTube, I cannot do one. Yep. Too

00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:56.659
difficult. I need three for YouTube, actually.

00:53:57.139 --> 00:53:59.639
Well, you've got to preview what you're recording.

00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:01.699
Yeah, exactly. Especially if you're recording

00:54:01.699 --> 00:54:04.119
your desktop, but you need OBS on a totally separate

00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:07.219
monitor. Otherwise, you could be recording the

00:54:07.219 --> 00:54:09.139
wrong thing. I've done that before. You can attach

00:54:09.139 --> 00:54:11.239
it to your television, HDMI. You can attach it

00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:14.420
to a television, the computer. Yeah. But when

00:54:14.420 --> 00:54:16.539
you record, like, a 15 - or 20 -minute video

00:54:16.539 --> 00:54:19.119
and then realize, I recorded the wrong thing.

00:54:19.260 --> 00:54:21.800
No. Because I wasn't previewing. I've had that

00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:25.519
happen. For those of you that do any kind of

00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:28.900
audio podcasting or even video of things like

00:54:28.900 --> 00:54:32.260
this, make sure that you're recording the audio

00:54:32.260 --> 00:54:34.659
and you've previewed the audio in a recording

00:54:34.659 --> 00:54:37.659
in OBS before you really start recording. Simple

00:54:37.659 --> 00:54:39.980
screen recorder. That's what I use. Simple screen

00:54:39.980 --> 00:54:43.219
recorder. I have been in situations where we've

00:54:43.219 --> 00:54:46.019
recorded for two hours and then realized, oh,

00:54:46.059 --> 00:54:47.699
I didn't record the audio or they didn't record

00:54:47.699 --> 00:54:52.280
the audio. Oh, man. That sucks. Yeah, I think

00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:54.800
I kind of use one of your tricks, actually. Like

00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:56.900
I saw you say this once where you have like PC

00:54:56.900 --> 00:54:59.000
man FM or something like that just for the purpose

00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:01.139
of, you know, when you start recording, like

00:55:01.139 --> 00:55:03.920
a file gets generated or whatever. Yeah, I've

00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:06.559
gotten into the habit every time I hit the start

00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:09.219
recording button in OBS. I look for that file

00:55:09.219 --> 00:55:11.760
to be created because it's not created. Something

00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:14.190
ain't right. And then when you're done with that

00:55:14.190 --> 00:55:15.929
little clip, you can kind of just watch that

00:55:15.929 --> 00:55:17.769
to see kind of, okay, is the audio good? Are

00:55:17.769 --> 00:55:19.269
we good here? If you want, but yeah, the main

00:55:19.269 --> 00:55:22.050
thing is the file gets created. Yeah. Because

00:55:22.050 --> 00:55:23.989
sometimes you'll think you hit the start button,

00:55:24.070 --> 00:55:27.369
but you didn't, or it was already started. And

00:55:27.369 --> 00:55:29.809
what you did was click stop. Yeah. Because sometimes

00:55:29.809 --> 00:55:32.469
you get on backwards. So yeah. And then 17 hours

00:55:32.469 --> 00:55:34.130
later, you're finished with your Linux from scratch

00:55:34.130 --> 00:55:36.269
tutorial, but you didn't record any of it. So

00:55:36.269 --> 00:55:38.730
nobody believes that you're even, you know. Another

00:55:38.730 --> 00:55:40.630
pro tip, if you're going to do like a two hour

00:55:40.630 --> 00:55:44.059
recording like this, Split it up into sections,

00:55:44.219 --> 00:55:46.820
you know, every 10, 15 minutes. Hey, stop. And

00:55:46.820 --> 00:55:48.920
then start again. That way, if there's a problem,

00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:52.159
at worst, you've only screwed up 10 to 15 minutes

00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:54.019
of recording instead of a whole two hour block.

00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:56.599
We're now, OK, can we reschedule this, you know,

00:55:56.599 --> 00:55:59.239
later this week and redo it all again? Oh, yeah.

00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:02.960
Makes sense. OK, now, what is this video about?

00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:06.019
What is this conversation about? We have two

00:56:06.019 --> 00:56:09.099
Debian users here on the left hand side. Andrea.

00:56:09.739 --> 00:56:15.300
In Dart. Debian. And Ubuntu. Don't forget Ubuntu.

00:56:15.380 --> 00:56:17.480
That's part of Debian. And Linux Mint. Don't

00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:20.000
forget them as well. Debian, yeah, exactly. And

00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:23.139
we have DT and Tony on Arch, right? You've got

00:56:23.139 --> 00:56:24.860
to give credit to Linux Mint. They're one of

00:56:24.860 --> 00:56:28.280
the best. Linux Mint as well, okay. Do you want

00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:31.519
to share with us, Andrea, why do you prefer Debian

00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:34.420
and why didn't you go with something like Arch,

00:56:34.659 --> 00:56:37.000
for example? Why Debian and not Orange? Well,

00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:39.300
I started with Linux Mint. I never even started

00:56:39.300 --> 00:56:41.960
with Arch. I started with Linux Mint. That was

00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:48.179
my first one. Uh -huh. But the thing is, I got

00:56:48.179 --> 00:56:50.940
pulled into Debian by accident because I still

00:56:50.940 --> 00:56:53.619
had my 32 -bit netbooks and Debian was still

00:56:53.619 --> 00:56:56.639
doing 32 -bit at the time and that's how it caught

00:56:56.639 --> 00:57:00.840
my attention. And also, I wasn't happy on Snaps

00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:03.099
and Flatpaks, happy with Snaps and Flatpaks because

00:57:03.099 --> 00:57:05.260
they took up a lot of the disk space. But with

00:57:05.260 --> 00:57:08.420
Debian, it's optional. They don't come with Snaps

00:57:08.420 --> 00:57:10.320
and Flatpaks. You can install them, but you don't

00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:13.139
have to. So I installed that. I mean, Linux Mint's

00:57:13.139 --> 00:57:15.380
all right, but they don't do it. Ubuntu had the

00:57:15.380 --> 00:57:17.480
option of installing the minimal desktop with

00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:19.280
just a desktop environment, and then you add

00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:22.239
your own media players and software. But Linux

00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:26.139
Mint... I mean, I don't like Helioid Media Player

00:57:26.139 --> 00:57:28.519
that comes with Linux Mint and some of the other

00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:34.360
stuff they have. I like VLC. And they come with

00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:38.360
a lot of things. I like VLC, and I don't think

00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:40.900
I like their photo viewer either. And what do

00:57:40.900 --> 00:57:45.030
you think about... do the desktop environment,

00:57:45.150 --> 00:57:47.070
then cherry pick the software I want to install,

00:57:47.210 --> 00:57:49.889
like the media player, the, what is it, the web

00:57:49.889 --> 00:57:54.230
browser and the text editor and the PDF viewer

00:57:54.230 --> 00:57:56.809
and even the office suite. Andrea, and what do

00:57:56.809 --> 00:58:00.230
you think about Arch as a Debian user? Well...

00:58:01.269 --> 00:58:05.210
Well, I couldn't even use it. When I tested it

00:58:05.210 --> 00:58:07.610
out in DistroC, which is a website where you

00:58:07.610 --> 00:58:10.590
can test out Linux operating systems, all I got

00:58:10.590 --> 00:58:12.869
was a Camille prompt, so I never even got a chance

00:58:12.869 --> 00:58:15.289
to see it. Because on DistroC, when you boot

00:58:15.289 --> 00:58:18.769
into ART, all you get is a Camille prompt. So

00:58:18.769 --> 00:58:21.550
is that enough? That's not enough. I don't think

00:58:21.550 --> 00:58:24.090
I'd even enter in it. If somebody gave me an

00:58:24.090 --> 00:58:26.150
installation disk, I don't think I'd even begin

00:58:26.150 --> 00:58:28.380
to. get very far, I wouldn't be able to install

00:58:28.380 --> 00:58:30.659
it, would I? That's where the Arch installation

00:58:30.659 --> 00:58:34.460
actually ends, is at the command prompt. It doesn't

00:58:34.460 --> 00:58:37.019
install graphical programs at all. Yeah, Arch,

00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:38.579
out of the box, doesn't... You didn't have a

00:58:38.579 --> 00:58:40.780
software center, did I, Arch? No. You don't have

00:58:40.780 --> 00:58:42.780
a software center or graphical package manager.

00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:45.539
No. There's a few really bad ones. Unless you

00:58:45.539 --> 00:58:48.059
use something like TouchyOS, or what's the...

00:58:48.059 --> 00:58:51.659
Endeavor OS, Manjaro, etc. That's where they

00:58:51.659 --> 00:58:54.719
have their own stuff, isn't it? Manjaro has PAMAC,

00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:57.159
which is a GUI software center, but it's broken

00:58:57.159 --> 00:59:02.659
most of the time. They have that on there, don't

00:59:02.659 --> 00:59:05.300
they? They do, but nobody wants to use Discover.

00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:07.820
You can download software from the internet with

00:59:07.820 --> 00:59:10.179
Arch. They don't use RPM or Dev. They use something

00:59:10.179 --> 00:59:13.760
else. I don't know what the package is. It's

00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:21.409
the old game from the 80s. Pac -Man. Oh, that's

00:59:21.409 --> 00:59:23.510
why you wore the shirt today. Oh, a little double

00:59:23.510 --> 00:59:27.429
agent industry plan. I love it. Now, moving to

00:59:27.429 --> 00:59:31.170
the next person. Right now is DT's turn, okay?

00:59:31.230 --> 00:59:34.429
And he's just going to explain why he uses Arch

00:59:34.429 --> 00:59:37.989
and what he thinks about Debian. Okay, so DT's

00:59:37.989 --> 00:59:41.570
turn. Well, I mentioned before the stream, I

00:59:41.570 --> 00:59:43.969
probably use Debian. I definitely use Debian

00:59:43.969 --> 00:59:46.010
more than I've used Arch over the years because

00:59:46.010 --> 00:59:48.829
Debian's been around. longer than Arch, obviously,

00:59:48.969 --> 00:59:52.030
but I've used both a lot. But since starting

00:59:52.030 --> 00:59:54.730
the YouTube channel, I've mainly stuck with Arch

00:59:54.730 --> 00:59:58.610
on my machines just because when I'm doing software

00:59:58.610 --> 01:00:01.170
demos, I want the latest software. And sometimes

01:00:01.170 --> 01:00:04.170
I will be taking a look at software that's brand

01:00:04.170 --> 01:00:07.010
new that just won't be in the Debian repos, right?

01:00:07.090 --> 01:00:08.610
Because you got to wait another two, three years

01:00:08.610 --> 01:00:10.909
before the next version of Debian stable comes

01:00:10.909 --> 01:00:14.710
out before you get that. Well, yeah, but Debian

01:00:14.710 --> 01:00:17.639
SID is. It keeps breaking. That's why I had to

01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:20.000
give it up. It kept breaking. I mean, Arch is

01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:21.940
a rolling release, and Debbie and Sid's a rolling

01:00:21.940 --> 01:00:25.360
release, but Debbie and Unstable is really unstable,

01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:28.539
in my opinion, compared to Arch. And I've played

01:00:28.539 --> 01:00:30.800
around with Debbie and Sid in the past. But,

01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:33.260
yeah, that's really why I'm on Arch, is because

01:00:33.260 --> 01:00:36.760
it works better for what I do on YouTube. Ubuntu

01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:38.820
and Debian are strictly for stable. You don't

01:00:38.820 --> 01:00:40.940
necessarily get the latest and greatest on Ubuntu

01:00:40.940 --> 01:00:43.159
and Debian, do you? Yeah, but that's what I like.

01:00:43.460 --> 01:00:45.760
If I wasn't on YouTube, and we mentioned this,

01:00:45.780 --> 01:00:48.340
I think, on a stream, Christian, is that if I

01:00:48.340 --> 01:00:49.920
didn't do YouTube, if I retired from YouTube,

01:00:50.139 --> 01:00:53.159
I would go back to Debian stable as far as on

01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:56.900
a desktop because I wouldn't even need. Yeah,

01:00:56.900 --> 01:00:59.260
I hate updating my software because there's a

01:00:59.260 --> 01:01:01.880
chance of breaking. I don't want. Typically,

01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:04.139
there's not a feature in this stuff that I want

01:01:04.139 --> 01:01:06.519
or need. I mean, it's great when it's there,

01:01:06.619 --> 01:01:09.280
something kind of new in the latest Emacs, whatever.

01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:12.079
Most of the time, though, it's not something

01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:14.880
I even know about. So I could go every two or

01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:18.300
three years and then just update to the next

01:01:18.300 --> 01:01:21.280
Debian stable or Ubuntu LTS or whatever kind

01:01:21.280 --> 01:01:24.639
of long -term support kind of distro. I would

01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:27.570
be happy on that. to be honest. Just make sure

01:01:27.570 --> 01:01:29.349
the web browser and the things you connect to

01:01:29.349 --> 01:01:31.090
the internet are up to date. Well, the web browser

01:01:31.090 --> 01:01:33.650
should always be updated regardless. They should

01:01:33.650 --> 01:01:36.170
keep that up to date, but, you know, because

01:01:36.170 --> 01:01:37.829
of security. And Debian doesn't, not always.

01:01:38.130 --> 01:01:39.670
They're slow to update. Well, they should, because

01:01:39.670 --> 01:01:42.789
they're slow to do things. If Debian's not updating

01:01:42.789 --> 01:01:45.269
the web browsers, they need to get on that. They

01:01:45.269 --> 01:01:47.090
do, but they don't do it right away. They update,

01:01:47.269 --> 01:01:49.769
but they don't always do it right away. Now,

01:01:49.769 --> 01:01:53.969
it is Dara's turn. He's going to share with us

01:01:53.969 --> 01:01:57.329
why he prefers Debian. over Arch, or what he

01:01:57.329 --> 01:02:00.969
prefers. He uses BST as well, which is different.

01:02:01.630 --> 01:02:04.829
Yeah, as I said earlier, I started with Debian,

01:02:04.949 --> 01:02:09.269
and that was a long period of my life that I

01:02:09.269 --> 01:02:12.550
only used... I mean, I used a lot of Linux distributions,

01:02:12.650 --> 01:02:16.469
like Maindrake back in the day, even tried Red

01:02:16.469 --> 01:02:20.630
Hat once, the original Red Hat, not the one that's

01:02:20.630 --> 01:02:27.579
currently available. Of course, Ubuntu was really

01:02:27.579 --> 01:02:30.260
cool back in the day. It offered quite a lot

01:02:30.260 --> 01:02:34.139
of, how do I put it? It boosted the Linux desktop

01:02:34.139 --> 01:02:36.780
quite significantly, I would say, because it

01:02:36.780 --> 01:02:40.300
was super easy to use. But most of the time,

01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:43.400
it was always kind of back to Debian. And I don't

01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:47.159
know if it's because of the kind of first love

01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:50.079
effect or something like that, but I just feel

01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:53.170
at home. with this distribution and whatever

01:02:53.170 --> 01:02:58.590
else I try, it's fine. Usually okay, but kind

01:02:58.590 --> 01:03:02.489
of end up getting back to Debian and it's hard

01:03:02.489 --> 01:03:07.449
to separate. When I started YouTube, then I noticed

01:03:07.449 --> 01:03:10.190
the problem with Debian, which is pretty much

01:03:10.190 --> 01:03:14.110
what DT said. I couldn't demo a lot of stuff

01:03:14.110 --> 01:03:18.480
that I wanted to demo because It would take working

01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:23.619
around the Debian stable issue. One word, AUR.

01:03:23.619 --> 01:03:27.480
You missed the AUR. Yeah. But then I switched

01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:30.880
to Arch Linux because I thought that this would

01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:34.659
be what I need. And I stuck with Arch for more

01:03:34.659 --> 01:03:37.039
than a year on all my computers. I installed

01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:40.000
it on my main computer, on my laptops, on my

01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:42.320
work laptop. And I had it literally everywhere

01:03:42.320 --> 01:03:46.300
because I wanted to, you know, properly. get

01:03:46.300 --> 01:03:48.659
into it so if i have it everywhere then i just

01:03:48.659 --> 01:03:51.920
cannot escape it no matter how how i try and

01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:56.039
it works fairly well for me uh you do know there's

01:03:56.039 --> 01:03:58.460
been reports of malware in the order don't you

01:03:58.460 --> 01:04:01.400
the risk of malware yes but i'm gonna get to

01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:03.840
that i'm gonna ask for your question uh in a

01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:08.239
moment arch not very safe i um yeah i kind of

01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:13.420
lost my track here but um the reasoning why i

01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:17.119
kind of went back to debian is because i really

01:04:17.119 --> 01:04:19.659
need this computer to be ready for me when i

01:04:19.659 --> 01:04:22.360
want to record something i often come back from

01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:24.320
work with some thoughts that i want to record

01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:27.300
this video today and i just sit with my computer

01:04:27.300 --> 01:04:30.199
i turn on the camera click on the obs and start

01:04:30.199 --> 01:04:33.960
recording and one day it just said the obs cannot

01:04:33.960 --> 01:04:36.719
run because something has changed in the update

01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:41.280
and then i usually can fix all this it's relatively

01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:45.159
easy to fix Arch update breakages, if you can

01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:47.320
even call them breakages. And nothing really

01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:53.159
fell apart on my Arch journey for the... It never

01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:56.199
fell apart too much. Just a little bit this program

01:04:56.199 --> 01:04:58.699
doesn't work because this library updated. Or

01:04:58.699 --> 01:05:00.820
this doesn't work now because something else

01:05:00.820 --> 01:05:05.039
updated. So just go and fix it. There is usually

01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:07.679
something on the Arch Linux web page that might

01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:11.280
explain why this is not working. But... You know,

01:05:11.380 --> 01:05:15.280
the moment passes and I'm no longer in the mood

01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:17.460
to record that video because I have now been

01:05:17.460 --> 01:05:20.900
fixing my computer for a while. And that kind

01:05:20.900 --> 01:05:26.519
of irritated me. And one of the biggest issues

01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:29.199
that I had is when Kdenlive stopped working.

01:05:29.340 --> 01:05:32.739
And it stopped working because Arch updated SDL

01:05:32.739 --> 01:05:38.079
library to SDL3. And the built -in backwards

01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:41.559
compatibility didn't work. in the beginning and

01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:45.219
Arch of course updated to SDL3 day one because

01:05:45.219 --> 01:05:52.739
why not and that kind of was one one drop too

01:05:52.739 --> 01:05:56.760
much in my cup and I went back to Debian and

01:05:56.760 --> 01:06:00.460
then I after that I mostly test new stuff on

01:06:00.460 --> 01:06:03.579
my laptops because I have like two or three laptops

01:06:03.579 --> 01:06:06.440
that I can use they are older laptops so not

01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:09.940
very good for daily driving but they're pretty

01:06:09.940 --> 01:06:12.300
good for demoing stuff and I can just reinstall

01:06:12.300 --> 01:06:14.880
whatever I want on them all the time I can just

01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:20.239
plug them in via HDMI input and that's kind of

01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:23.360
how it works for me now as i said the one without

01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:26.820
the wallpaper i have a question yeah question

01:06:26.820 --> 01:06:30.019
for you how you do gaming right do you do gaming

01:06:30.019 --> 01:06:32.500
in debian and you do you do streaming as well

01:06:32.500 --> 01:06:35.559
do you have any issues with those in debian gaming

01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:38.519
and streaming at the same time uh except for

01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:42.940
what dt and i uh already touched briefly that

01:06:42.940 --> 01:06:47.239
sometimes we get audio drops And I suspect that's

01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:50.500
not a distro problem. No, it's not. It's Pipewire.

01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:58.179
I am also very on to Pipewire on this issue.

01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:01.440
I've got post -audio and Pipewire. I think I've

01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:05.519
got both. Yeah, they can work. This gets installed,

01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:09.579
doesn't it? I'm a destructor. But other than

01:07:09.579 --> 01:07:12.440
this issue with the audio, I don't have any other

01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:15.849
issues. Okay. Awesome. Kdenlive, by the way,

01:07:15.869 --> 01:07:18.570
for those of you on Arch that are using Kdenlive,

01:07:18.730 --> 01:07:22.469
keep the app image of Kdenlive handy because

01:07:22.469 --> 01:07:25.030
Kdenlive updates all the time. And seriously,

01:07:25.309 --> 01:07:28.650
every other update of Kdenlive breaks. So have

01:07:28.650 --> 01:07:30.829
the older one on an app image. So always keep

01:07:30.829 --> 01:07:47.329
an app image so you can. So if you have the binary

01:07:47.329 --> 01:07:49.349
installed, you can run that. But if you have

01:07:49.349 --> 01:07:52.309
the app image, you can run that version. I always

01:07:52.309 --> 01:07:55.550
keep two or three versions. It's on the website.

01:07:55.710 --> 01:07:57.690
Just download it like you would download it on

01:07:57.690 --> 01:07:59.949
Windows. And it's officially maintained by Kdenlive.

01:08:00.070 --> 01:08:02.659
They build their own app image. That's their

01:08:02.659 --> 01:08:04.239
official package, I guess. The one in the package

01:08:04.239 --> 01:08:06.539
manager is very old in Debian, and Ubuntu is.

01:08:07.219 --> 01:08:10.920
Okay, awesome. I've been short the one on Debian,

01:08:10.920 --> 01:08:13.340
and Ubuntu is very old, very old. One thing I

01:08:13.340 --> 01:08:17.539
wanted to answer, Andrea, I never used AUR. Neither

01:08:17.539 --> 01:08:19.960
have I, because I've never used Dart. I've heard

01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:23.039
about it, but I've never used Dart, so you don't

01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:25.960
get AUR on Debian, do you? But as far as the

01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:28.020
malware, I mean, they've also found malware.

01:08:28.840 --> 01:08:31.760
In Flathub, they found malware in Snapcraft.

01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:34.760
I don't use Snaps and Flatpak, just as well I

01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:37.699
don't use them. It's in all software. Hold on,

01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:39.859
Switch to Linux said in one of his videos, he

01:08:39.859 --> 01:08:42.720
said that Snaps and the risk of malware in Snaps

01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:45.399
and Flatpak. Even your Debian packages have risk

01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:47.920
of malware if somebody wanted to maliciously...

01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:49.180
From the package manager from Debian, you mean?

01:08:49.420 --> 01:08:52.560
Yep. Really? Well, Flatback's a package manager.

01:08:52.760 --> 01:08:54.520
Somebody had to put it in their package manager

01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:58.539
too, right? There's also malware in NPM. NPM

01:08:58.539 --> 01:09:01.439
is available in Debian. What's NPM? What is that?

01:09:01.619 --> 01:09:04.779
Another package manager. I've never heard of

01:09:04.779 --> 01:09:07.300
NPM. What is NPM? I've never heard of that one.

01:09:07.659 --> 01:09:10.399
It's for JavaScript. It's a node package manager

01:09:10.399 --> 01:09:12.760
for JavaScript projects. Do they use JavaScript

01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:14.939
much these days? I don't think they do, not even

01:09:14.939 --> 01:09:18.520
on Windows. Andrea, that is mainly used by people

01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:21.890
that... create programs by developers web apps

01:09:21.890 --> 01:09:27.590
electron apps things like that yeah do you trust

01:09:27.590 --> 01:09:32.569
that you are dt with your soul like how um yeah

01:09:32.569 --> 01:09:35.510
yeah but but i don't install a lot like i install

01:09:35.510 --> 01:09:38.409
like brave is in the aur it's not in the official

01:09:38.409 --> 01:09:41.710
repos but it's it's one of the most popular packages

01:09:41.710 --> 01:09:44.890
in the repos people are watching it uh but like

01:09:44.890 --> 01:09:47.579
smaller programs that are a little weird I can

01:09:47.579 --> 01:09:50.319
actually go read the package build, and I do.

01:09:50.460 --> 01:09:52.819
I maintain my own Arch packages. I know how to

01:09:52.819 --> 01:09:56.039
read a package build. But I can see where it's

01:09:56.039 --> 01:09:57.760
pulling the source because it's building the

01:09:57.760 --> 01:10:00.619
package. I can go, oh, it's getting it from this

01:10:00.619 --> 01:10:03.899
GitHub repo. I can go look at everything it's

01:10:03.899 --> 01:10:06.439
going to do. It's a 20 -line script. I can. I

01:10:06.439 --> 01:10:09.279
know some people can't. I know some people, they

01:10:09.279 --> 01:10:12.560
don't have that ability, and I get that. But

01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:14.810
just know a lot of people on Arch do. And they

01:10:14.810 --> 01:10:17.630
pay attention to the package builds. So, you

01:10:17.630 --> 01:10:19.670
know, that's why you were talking about there

01:10:19.670 --> 01:10:22.149
was malware found in the AUR. Well, the great

01:10:22.149 --> 01:10:24.350
thing is it was found. The reason it was found

01:10:24.350 --> 01:10:25.909
is because people were watching those package

01:10:25.909 --> 01:10:28.310
builds. People were looking at it. That's because

01:10:28.310 --> 01:10:31.430
I'll let anybody like users upload to their repositories.

01:10:31.529 --> 01:10:33.470
I mean, they let me, so you're right. They will

01:10:33.470 --> 01:10:38.369
let anybody into the AUR. They let me do it too.

01:10:39.050 --> 01:10:41.649
Don't download my Bitcoin miner. So pretty much.

01:10:41.729 --> 01:10:51.659
Or do. Just be careful. So pretty much what you're

01:10:51.659 --> 01:10:54.399
saying, DT, is just be careful with what you

01:10:54.399 --> 01:10:57.159
install and trust it, right? Well, if you go

01:10:57.159 --> 01:10:59.720
to the AUR, just like this package right here,

01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:02.060
vinyl, whatever. Yeah, I just click it randomly,

01:11:02.319 --> 01:11:04.840
yeah. Yeah, I mean, you could go and read the

01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:06.680
package build and you can see where it's pulling

01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:08.520
the source for the package. That's a graphical

01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:10.359
package manager or, isn't it? It's graphical,

01:11:10.579 --> 01:11:12.699
isn't it? Like synaptic. No, it's command line.

01:11:12.859 --> 01:11:15.039
It's like a one line thing you put in the terminal.

01:11:15.220 --> 01:11:17.779
No graphical package manager, not even the or.

01:11:17.859 --> 01:11:20.159
No, dear. But all this package build is, it's

01:11:20.159 --> 01:11:22.600
a recipe. This package build is a recipe for

01:11:22.600 --> 01:11:25.460
how to build the package. You know what would

01:11:25.460 --> 01:11:28.239
be a good spin of Arch for you would be the O

01:11:28.239 --> 01:11:30.000
-word, actually. I think she might like the O

01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:32.920
-word. Oh, let's talk about the O -word. Let's

01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:35.039
talk about that. Let's talk about that. I want

01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:39.439
to hear your guys' thoughts on... Let me get

01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:41.340
into that. Let me get my side of the argument

01:11:41.340 --> 01:11:44.329
first, but let's hear what he... Let's do this.

01:11:44.409 --> 01:11:46.109
Let's iterate on the call stack. So he's showing

01:11:46.109 --> 01:11:48.449
us an AUR package. He's going to audit this live.

01:11:48.630 --> 01:11:50.670
Yeah, yeah. Go with that. What are you going

01:11:50.670 --> 01:11:52.869
to show us? The only thing that I wanted to say

01:11:52.869 --> 01:11:55.529
is that I tried reading package build. It's fine.

01:11:55.590 --> 01:11:57.930
You can read package build for one package. But

01:11:57.930 --> 01:12:00.489
then the problem is that this has dependencies

01:12:00.489 --> 01:12:05.189
on a lot of other AUR stuff. And are you going

01:12:05.189 --> 01:12:09.289
to read all of them? And they tend to be recursive

01:12:09.289 --> 01:12:13.840
sometimes. If you really want to trust your system.

01:12:14.079 --> 01:12:19.119
There is a hack. Yeah. A lot of the really important

01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:22.119
packages in the AUR have binary builds if you

01:12:22.119 --> 01:12:26.659
enable the chaotic AUR. And that saves you a

01:12:26.659 --> 01:12:29.619
lot of problems because they're auditing some

01:12:29.619 --> 01:12:33.119
of that before they're building it. So the chaotic

01:12:33.119 --> 01:12:37.199
AUR is highly recommended in my opinion. Throughout

01:12:37.199 --> 01:12:40.399
my year and something with Arch exclusively,

01:12:40.739 --> 01:12:46.300
I only used Arch base and extras plus FlatHub.

01:12:46.479 --> 01:12:50.079
So that was a strange combo because I would pull

01:12:50.079 --> 01:12:52.520
from FlatHub what the other Arch users would

01:12:52.520 --> 01:12:57.399
pull from AUR. And my distribution kind of ended

01:12:57.399 --> 01:13:02.619
up like a FlatHub -based distribution after I

01:13:02.619 --> 01:13:06.789
pulled from FlatHub stuff that broke. In Arch,

01:13:06.989 --> 01:13:12.590
whether temporarily or not. The guys in the chat

01:13:12.590 --> 01:13:14.430
are talking about, yeah, Manjaro built a lot

01:13:14.430 --> 01:13:16.890
of AUR packages, so they're binary. Yeah, same

01:13:16.890 --> 01:13:18.989
thing with Cache. So you don't have to use the

01:13:18.989 --> 01:13:21.689
AUR as much on a lot of those distros because

01:13:21.689 --> 01:13:23.729
they're maintaining their own builds of a lot

01:13:23.729 --> 01:13:25.970
of that stuff. Don't they have GNOME Software

01:13:25.970 --> 01:13:28.270
Center on Arch and Plasma Discover? Don't they

01:13:28.270 --> 01:13:30.170
have that on Arch? They did have that, didn't

01:13:30.170 --> 01:13:33.119
they? You can have a Plasma Discoverer, but it's

01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:35.539
not recommended to... They only do flat packs

01:13:35.539 --> 01:13:38.140
and snaps, not arch packages. That's what somebody

01:13:38.140 --> 01:13:40.680
said. I actually think Discoverer can handle

01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:44.500
Pac -Man, but it's not recommended. Yeah, I think

01:13:44.500 --> 01:13:46.859
they only recommend you using the flat packs

01:13:46.859 --> 01:13:49.319
on that. Yeah. They have some kind of... Now,

01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:51.600
Tony's turn. And snaps. Now, Tony's turn. And

01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:54.100
snaps on arch, don't they? I think they do. If

01:13:54.100 --> 01:13:57.260
you want them. Time, time, time. Now, we're moving

01:13:57.260 --> 01:13:59.659
on to Tony, and he's going to share with us...

01:13:59.800 --> 01:14:02.779
why he prefers Arch and what he thinks about

01:14:02.779 --> 01:14:05.880
Debian. Go, Tony. Yeah, I think I said it earlier.

01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:08.020
In terms of legacy distros, Arch is definitely

01:14:08.020 --> 01:14:11.640
the best one, I think. And Debian, for me, as

01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:13.899
far as personal preference goes, I'm not going

01:14:13.899 --> 01:14:16.699
to speak for anybody's... I'm not going to tell

01:14:16.699 --> 01:14:18.340
anybody not to use Debian because this is just

01:14:18.340 --> 01:14:20.560
personal preference. But when I switched back

01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:24.140
to Debian from Gentoo, I felt like it was just

01:14:24.140 --> 01:14:26.479
Gentoo. Because I needed to compile everything

01:14:26.479 --> 01:14:28.460
from source. So I actually have a conspiracy

01:14:28.460 --> 01:14:30.939
theory that Debian is just Gen 2 with a GUI installer.

01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:33.159
Because I'm sitting here saying, okay, let me

01:14:33.159 --> 01:14:36.319
build my Hugo site. Oh no, my Hugo version is

01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:39.920
40 versions behind because it's on 111 .3, not

01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:42.619
152 .2, which is what I'm used to. So I'm like,

01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:43.899
okay, no problem. Let me just build that from

01:14:43.899 --> 01:14:46.739
source. I got to use Go to build Hugo. Go is

01:14:46.739 --> 01:14:50.720
on version 1 .19, not... 1 .25 .4 so i can't

01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:52.680
actually get go so i've got to compile go from

01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:56.020
source to compile hugo from source to load my

01:14:56.020 --> 01:14:58.260
to like start developing my website and then

01:14:58.260 --> 01:14:59.699
i'm like okay let me open up neo of him and i'm

01:14:59.699 --> 01:15:02.779
on version seven i'm like okay that's six years

01:15:02.779 --> 01:15:05.319
old so let me compile that from source no problem

01:15:05.319 --> 01:15:08.300
i'm basically on gen 2 but i'm just my neo fetch

01:15:08.300 --> 01:15:10.140
says debian right so it's like kind of like what's

01:15:10.140 --> 01:15:11.899
the point you see what i'm saying for me personally

01:15:11.899 --> 01:15:15.609
but for people that are Most people use their

01:15:15.609 --> 01:15:17.550
computers nowadays. Let's just admit this. They

01:15:17.550 --> 01:15:19.329
use it as a bootloader for whatever operating

01:15:19.329 --> 01:15:21.729
system, as a bootloader for a browser. So they

01:15:21.729 --> 01:15:24.609
just load up a computer and open their email,

01:15:24.710 --> 01:15:27.289
they check their taxes, whatever. And so Debian's

01:15:27.289 --> 01:15:29.010
perfect for that. I mean, Debian's perfect for

01:15:29.010 --> 01:15:31.310
kind of what you guys were saying. You just put

01:15:31.310 --> 01:15:32.729
it on a machine, you never have to worry about

01:15:32.729 --> 01:15:35.550
updating it, whatever. But we all talked about

01:15:35.550 --> 01:15:37.130
this. Basically, if you want anything that's

01:15:37.130 --> 01:15:40.210
kind of like... not seven years old arch is is

01:15:40.210 --> 01:15:42.930
going to be for me because even pac -man has

01:15:42.930 --> 01:15:44.890
a lot of stuff built into it not not even the

01:15:44.890 --> 01:15:47.529
aur is you don't even have to touch the aur so

01:15:47.529 --> 01:15:49.510
it's like for me i i just like arch for getting

01:15:49.510 --> 01:15:51.390
things done it's like super quick spin up an

01:15:51.390 --> 01:15:54.090
arch system you got like semi -late versions

01:15:54.090 --> 01:15:55.890
or if not the latest versions of like all the

01:15:55.890 --> 01:15:58.329
development stuff that i use and it's just good

01:15:58.329 --> 01:16:01.369
to go so i mean again that's for legacy distros

01:16:01.369 --> 01:16:03.720
i mean nixos really is end game of linux which

01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:05.380
we'll get into later if we want to go down that

01:16:05.380 --> 01:16:08.020
route but um no i mean i definitely think arch

01:16:08.020 --> 01:16:10.819
is better for sure i will say that i've definitely

01:16:10.819 --> 01:16:14.640
run into the dependency hill issue uh so many

01:16:14.640 --> 01:16:17.199
times on debian anytime you have to start building

01:16:17.199 --> 01:16:19.979
from source on debian you are going to eventually

01:16:19.979 --> 01:16:22.420
run into dependency hill and have to reinstall

01:16:22.420 --> 01:16:25.260
where on arch obviously you don't run into that

01:16:25.260 --> 01:16:29.760
problem or you could but it's much less likely

01:16:30.170 --> 01:16:32.689
I'm not even catching. What did you mean by dependency,

01:16:32.829 --> 01:16:35.329
Hal? Well, when you're building packages from

01:16:35.329 --> 01:16:38.590
source on Debian, you're on newer versions that

01:16:38.590 --> 01:16:40.449
require newer dependencies. So you have to build

01:16:40.449 --> 01:16:42.609
those packages. And then eventually you're going

01:16:42.609 --> 01:16:44.630
to end up in this weird loop where you have stuff

01:16:44.630 --> 01:16:46.770
that you can no longer satisfy the dependencies.

01:16:46.850 --> 01:16:49.090
You can't even update your system. Like app just

01:16:49.090 --> 01:16:53.310
complains. Yeah, I understand now. I was trying

01:16:53.310 --> 01:16:56.789
to get Hyperland working on Debian stable and

01:16:56.789 --> 01:17:02.039
it requires quite a lot of stuff that you have

01:17:02.039 --> 01:17:05.319
to deal with. And yeah, I can understand. Now,

01:17:05.420 --> 01:17:09.020
that's an Omarchi. The O word, as Tony said.

01:17:09.220 --> 01:17:12.960
Okay. That's an Omarchi. I haven't seen DHH lately

01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:15.140
in a lot of videos. And I used to see him, I

01:17:15.140 --> 01:17:16.579
don't know, in the last couple of months. I saw

01:17:16.579 --> 01:17:18.699
him a lot in different videos, but I haven't

01:17:18.699 --> 01:17:22.920
seen him lately. So who wants to go first? Omarchi.

01:17:23.390 --> 01:17:25.289
It's a window manager. I wouldn't be able to

01:17:25.289 --> 01:17:27.890
use that. You see my video about window managers.

01:17:28.010 --> 01:17:29.630
The whole thing was a disaster. Couldn't use

01:17:29.630 --> 01:17:32.329
any of them. Remember that one? I agree with

01:17:32.329 --> 01:17:34.989
you, Andrea. I agree with you. We have some common

01:17:34.989 --> 01:17:36.689
ground. I couldn't launch anything with a window

01:17:36.689 --> 01:17:38.729
manager. Even when I installed the stuff they

01:17:38.729 --> 01:17:41.350
recommended, nothing would work. This one, Andrea,

01:17:41.550 --> 01:17:44.470
this one. It's a window manager, isn't it? Yeah.

01:17:45.850 --> 01:17:52.380
It is. It's an install script. Tony says, I don't

01:17:52.380 --> 01:17:55.520
know. A window manager? No, no, no. It's an Arch

01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:58.800
install script. It just installs Arch. But it's

01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:01.619
a window manager, isn't it? Yeah, it's a window

01:18:01.619 --> 01:18:04.199
manager. Yeah, in the end it is, definitely.

01:18:04.380 --> 01:18:06.399
It's actually, she's right. No, this is actually

01:18:06.399 --> 01:18:08.479
like the incredible argument. It literally is.

01:18:08.619 --> 01:18:12.420
Oh, Facebook window manager. Literally. One of

01:18:12.420 --> 01:18:15.000
the many window managers they have. Okay, so

01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:19.020
far, if I can, so far Omarchi was called distribution

01:18:19.020 --> 01:18:22.760
of Linux, then it was called an Arch Remix, then

01:18:22.760 --> 01:18:25.920
it was called a .files, and now it's a window

01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:28.199
manager. Yeah, it's everything everywhere all

01:18:28.199 --> 01:18:31.560
at once, like that movie. Yeah. Okay, DT, what

01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:33.539
are your thoughts on Omarchi? Well, I haven't

01:18:33.539 --> 01:18:36.180
tried to really run it on physical hardware.

01:18:36.439 --> 01:18:39.979
I've looked at it in VMs, and it seems like it's

01:18:39.979 --> 01:18:44.800
well put together as far as, You know, a lot

01:18:44.800 --> 01:18:46.600
of distributions I take a look at, especially

01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:48.880
smaller distributions or newer distributions,

01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:50.279
because this thing hasn't been around that long.

01:18:51.619 --> 01:18:54.420
Usually they don't look that good, and usually

01:18:54.420 --> 01:18:57.319
they have a lot more issues than what this has.

01:18:57.460 --> 01:18:59.979
So I will say that he's done a good job putting

01:18:59.979 --> 01:19:02.779
together his distribution, if you want to call

01:19:02.779 --> 01:19:04.220
it a distribution. I have no problem calling

01:19:04.220 --> 01:19:07.359
it a distribution because, I mean, yeah, is it

01:19:07.359 --> 01:19:09.479
just an install script for Arch? Well, yeah,

01:19:09.579 --> 01:19:12.399
so is Cache. So is Manjaro. Is it just dot files?

01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:15.420
Well, yeah. So is Cache. So is Manjaro. So is

01:19:15.420 --> 01:19:19.039
Garuda. I mean, that's what a distribution is.

01:19:19.300 --> 01:19:21.760
So I don't think a lot of people really have

01:19:21.760 --> 01:19:23.859
thought about what a Linux distribution is. It's

01:19:23.859 --> 01:19:27.460
just literally the word distribution is distributing

01:19:27.460 --> 01:19:33.720
this ISO. Yeah, I have no thoughts beyond that.

01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:36.359
Like, I haven't lived in it, so I can't really

01:19:36.359 --> 01:19:39.279
tell you it's a great thing to live in. Yeah.

01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:42.840
I have the need to make a public apology now,

01:19:42.899 --> 01:19:46.739
because I made a video in which I tried to explain

01:19:46.739 --> 01:19:49.920
what a distribution is, and I went a little bit

01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:55.079
overboard with, like grammar Nazis do with the

01:19:55.079 --> 01:19:58.399
grammar. That's how I went in with what distribution

01:19:58.399 --> 01:20:02.500
word should mean. But in the end of the day,

01:20:02.600 --> 01:20:06.640
it just doesn't matter. Technically speaking,

01:20:06.899 --> 01:20:10.460
Debian... Is Linux from scratch? They just took

01:20:10.460 --> 01:20:12.000
it a step further and built a package manager.

01:20:12.539 --> 01:20:18.159
That's right. It's a distro. It's an LFS install

01:20:18.159 --> 01:20:21.319
script. You're right. It's an LFS install script

01:20:21.319 --> 01:20:25.079
with a package manager. An LFS is a Unix install

01:20:25.079 --> 01:20:30.539
script. To an extent. Positive or negative opinion

01:20:30.539 --> 01:20:36.039
on Amarchi, Darth? Well, we did already talk

01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:41.180
about Omarchi, you and I, and it's so interesting

01:20:41.180 --> 01:20:45.500
to me, Omarchi, that I never tried it. It's kind

01:20:45.500 --> 01:20:49.840
of whatever. I think it's potentially good if

01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:53.659
it can really bring... I mean, DHH said that

01:20:53.659 --> 01:20:56.300
he doesn't quite care about the existing Linux

01:20:56.300 --> 01:20:58.420
users because they already know what they want.

01:20:58.939 --> 01:21:02.020
He kind of said that he cares about all of the

01:21:02.020 --> 01:21:04.699
other people that are coming from Windows, which

01:21:04.699 --> 01:21:08.520
is, by his own words, a lot more people. And

01:21:08.520 --> 01:21:13.619
he is interested in those. But the hype kind

01:21:13.619 --> 01:21:18.819
of skydived down in the past month or so. I don't

01:21:18.819 --> 01:21:21.279
know if it's still working for him because the

01:21:21.279 --> 01:21:26.520
initial hype was so huge. about Omarchi and it

01:21:26.520 --> 01:21:29.159
was all over the place. Every YouTuber had to

01:21:29.159 --> 01:21:31.720
cover it. It was organic, right? It felt really

01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:35.260
organic. Yeah, now crickets. So I'm not sure

01:21:35.260 --> 01:21:40.159
how well it... I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just

01:21:40.159 --> 01:21:43.579
saying that I'm not sure if he will really manage

01:21:43.579 --> 01:21:47.140
to... Admit to it? No, no, no. Utilize Omarchi

01:21:47.140 --> 01:21:51.119
to bring in more users to our community. Is that

01:21:51.119 --> 01:21:54.069
his stated goal? To bring people to Linux? See

01:21:54.069 --> 01:21:56.310
he did say something like that. Yeah, I'm not

01:21:56.310 --> 01:21:58.689
Well, you guys know a lot more about this than

01:21:58.689 --> 01:22:01.649
me because I don't know like I'd never I don't

01:22:01.649 --> 01:22:05.869
know the guy that created it Yeah, I watched

01:22:05.869 --> 01:22:08.909
interviews with him about Omar G and he definitely

01:22:08.909 --> 01:22:11.850
said that he is a I didn't know what the goal

01:22:11.850 --> 01:22:18.420
is user What's the goal Tony I don't know. That's

01:22:18.420 --> 01:22:21.840
why I asked. I'm like DT here. I don't actually

01:22:21.840 --> 01:22:24.699
know what the stated goal of it is. I mean, it's

01:22:24.699 --> 01:22:27.079
like every other ArchDistro, right? You throw

01:22:27.079 --> 01:22:29.760
a desktop or a window manager on it. He's got

01:22:29.760 --> 01:22:32.600
some custom apps he's created, some custom scripts.

01:22:33.159 --> 01:22:35.600
It's like every other ArchDistro. My thoughts

01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:37.859
on Archie is... I'm just resting on the couch.

01:22:38.180 --> 01:22:43.180
Nice to go with couch. Lay back on it. It seems

01:22:43.180 --> 01:22:47.329
comfortable. Awesome. Okay, so last time we talked

01:22:47.329 --> 01:22:51.050
about Omarchi, I said a couple of good things

01:22:51.050 --> 01:22:54.409
about it. It's velvet. It's velvet, right. That's

01:22:54.409 --> 01:22:55.970
what I think about Omarchi. It's a velvet distro.

01:22:56.289 --> 01:22:58.989
It's not real velvet. It's polyester velvet or

01:22:58.989 --> 01:23:02.109
something like that. It's a polyester distro.

01:23:02.109 --> 01:23:03.770
It's going to shrink if you put it in the dryer

01:23:03.770 --> 01:23:07.390
kind of thing. I'm out. Tony is going to share

01:23:07.390 --> 01:23:10.310
with us about his thoughts on Omarchi. Last time

01:23:10.310 --> 01:23:13.069
we talked about this, I gave like a couple. sentences

01:23:13.069 --> 01:23:15.750
of good praise of like the developer and this

01:23:15.750 --> 01:23:18.590
uh distribution and then i start and then you

01:23:18.590 --> 01:23:21.109
kind of i would say triggered me because you

01:23:21.109 --> 01:23:23.289
had said something like um isn't it more secure

01:23:23.289 --> 01:23:25.369
or whatever something you said made me go crazy

01:23:25.369 --> 01:23:27.750
so then i just started like so it's my fault

01:23:27.750 --> 01:23:29.850
just talking super negative about it and you

01:23:29.850 --> 01:23:32.090
only clipped that part of it you said oh let's

01:23:32.590 --> 01:23:34.310
And then you put a picture of Voldemort, you

01:23:34.310 --> 01:23:36.149
know, and said he's no more evil or whatever.

01:23:36.510 --> 01:23:39.449
And you made your clip video. And so everybody

01:23:39.449 --> 01:23:41.689
in your comments was saying that I was an industry

01:23:41.689 --> 01:23:44.850
plant against DHH or whatever. Like, I just hate

01:23:44.850 --> 01:23:46.949
DHH. So therefore, I don't like the distribution.

01:23:47.430 --> 01:23:49.390
So I looked into this guy. I actually don't even

01:23:49.390 --> 01:23:51.890
know who he was until kind of what I said is

01:23:51.890 --> 01:23:54.010
that he created Ruby on Rails. And I said good

01:23:54.010 --> 01:23:55.890
things about him before the clip, before you

01:23:55.890 --> 01:23:57.630
cut that part out of the clip. So I'm like, OK,

01:23:57.670 --> 01:23:58.909
let me see what's going on here. And it turns

01:23:58.909 --> 01:24:01.170
out he's one of those politicized guys. And that's

01:24:01.170 --> 01:24:02.649
kind of why all those comments kind of went my

01:24:02.649 --> 01:24:05.489
way. But my thing is kind of like DT said, it's

01:24:05.489 --> 01:24:08.189
a polished distro. It's nice. But as I said in

01:24:08.189 --> 01:24:10.210
that clip earlier, it's just like you're putting

01:24:10.210 --> 01:24:12.189
on somebody's clothes, like you're going out

01:24:12.189 --> 01:24:14.470
with somebody's wife. It's not your own dot files

01:24:14.470 --> 01:24:16.210
like you just want to make your own. In my opinion,

01:24:16.210 --> 01:24:18.590
just make make your own dot files. And I could

01:24:18.590 --> 01:24:21.229
never use it because I would just I would literally

01:24:21.229 --> 01:24:23.880
wipe out everything on it. because i have my

01:24:23.880 --> 01:24:26.380
own custom scripts and programs and things that

01:24:26.380 --> 01:24:29.399
i've built basically like he did yes so i would

01:24:29.399 --> 01:24:31.039
just tear off why would i use his stuff i'm gonna

01:24:31.039 --> 01:24:32.880
tear all his stuff down but the difference is

01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:35.060
that dt you're not paying people in my this is

01:24:35.060 --> 01:24:36.880
all speculated allegedly you're not paying people

01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:39.500
to go advertise your dot files you know you're

01:24:39.500 --> 01:24:42.340
not saying hey guys um please put on my dt os

01:24:42.340 --> 01:24:44.199
please take a look at this like please you're

01:24:44.199 --> 01:24:46.199
gonna love it you're not out there inorganically

01:24:46.199 --> 01:24:49.199
saying put this out because I haven't updated

01:24:49.199 --> 01:24:52.380
it in months. But that's the feeling I get when

01:24:52.380 --> 01:24:54.560
I see like an Omarki ad. It's like, please put

01:24:54.560 --> 01:24:56.340
on Omarki on your computer. I'm like, why do

01:24:56.340 --> 01:24:58.680
you want me so idly? So I tried it. I liked it.

01:24:58.699 --> 01:25:01.800
It's decent. You know, it's not bad, but I want

01:25:01.800 --> 01:25:04.100
to change Omarki. So I've forked it in a way.

01:25:04.140 --> 01:25:05.920
And by forked it, I really have just going from

01:25:05.920 --> 01:25:08.239
scratch here and making Tonarki, if you will.

01:25:08.600 --> 01:25:13.079
And it's been 6 ,000 lines of bash put down to

01:25:13.079 --> 01:25:15.460
about 700 lines of C. And that's basically all

01:25:15.460 --> 01:25:18.359
you need for this. So it's a deep -loaded Omarchi,

01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:19.699
and it's going to be a little bit better for,

01:25:19.760 --> 01:25:21.680
I think, a beginner to get into Linux. Because

01:25:21.680 --> 01:25:24.020
as Andrea said, she's not a beginner, but even

01:25:24.020 --> 01:25:27.039
she, as a long -time Linux user, can't deal with

01:25:27.039 --> 01:25:28.920
the window manager aspect of things. Fairly long

01:25:28.920 --> 01:25:31.880
time, really. Fairly long time, yeah. So if we're

01:25:31.880 --> 01:25:33.659
trying to get new people into Linux, let's put

01:25:33.659 --> 01:25:35.600
them on Cinnamon, or let's put them on something

01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:37.579
that's a little bit more beginner -friendly.

01:25:37.699 --> 01:25:39.760
You know what I'm saying? And Linux Mint, or

01:25:39.760 --> 01:25:42.659
start with Linux Mint, Zorin OS, or Debian, but

01:25:42.659 --> 01:25:44.699
with a full desktop environment, but not Arch

01:25:44.699 --> 01:25:47.329
and not Fedora. Well, it'll be ToneArch -y, so

01:25:47.329 --> 01:25:48.810
it won't be Arch, but yeah, it'll be its own

01:25:48.810 --> 01:25:50.670
distro, but it'll be on Cinnamon, so it'll have,

01:25:50.850 --> 01:25:53.270
you know, it'll be nice. So that's a long -term

01:25:53.270 --> 01:25:55.250
project. It should be Ubuntu -based, it should

01:25:55.250 --> 01:25:57.449
be. Yeah, it should be, but it's not going to

01:25:57.449 --> 01:25:59.470
be, unfortunately, but it will be, that's a version

01:25:59.470 --> 01:26:01.750
7 or maybe a version 8, but yeah. Linux is coming

01:26:01.750 --> 01:26:04.689
from Windows to use Linux Mint or maybe Debian

01:26:04.689 --> 01:26:06.569
with a full desktop environment or something

01:26:06.569 --> 01:26:10.170
like this. In a VM on top of Arch, I agree. They

01:26:10.170 --> 01:26:12.350
should be on Arch with a VM of Linux Mint to

01:26:12.350 --> 01:26:16.079
test that, and I agree with you. I disagree.

01:26:16.520 --> 01:26:19.560
I don't think a new user will. I was actually

01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:22.680
going to tell Darth earlier. I was going to tell

01:26:22.680 --> 01:26:24.680
Darth earlier. You're on the right track, Tony.

01:26:24.859 --> 01:26:27.619
I think the ideal thing for content creators,

01:26:27.779 --> 01:26:31.100
Darth, is to run Debian stable, and then if you

01:26:31.100 --> 01:26:32.760
need the latest and greatest software to demo,

01:26:33.020 --> 01:26:37.659
DistroBox for Arch. Yeah, I use DistroBox, yeah,

01:26:37.720 --> 01:26:41.060
with Arch. That way you get your stability. You

01:26:41.060 --> 01:26:45.989
can test out everything. Yeah, I use that. I

01:26:45.989 --> 01:26:49.770
kind of prefer to show, especially when I test

01:26:49.770 --> 01:26:53.010
new distributions or even BSDs, I like to show

01:26:53.010 --> 01:26:55.289
people how it works on real hardware, not in

01:26:55.289 --> 01:26:56.909
the virtual. But what you're saying about Wayland,

01:26:57.010 --> 01:26:59.229
I bet if you tried to record the screen on real

01:26:59.229 --> 01:27:00.869
hardware, it wouldn't work because the screen

01:27:00.869 --> 01:27:03.029
recorders don't work on Wayland. I know because

01:27:03.029 --> 01:27:09.180
I've tried it. They're getting better. OBS works

01:27:09.180 --> 01:27:11.699
on this computer for sure, because I've recorded

01:27:11.699 --> 01:27:16.039
in Wayland on this machine before. I can't. OBS,

01:27:16.039 --> 01:27:19.199
it didn't work out for me. Okay, now, I have

01:27:19.199 --> 01:27:22.140
a last question that I want to ask you guys.

01:27:22.340 --> 01:27:24.840
Tony, you have to drop soon, right? About 10

01:27:24.840 --> 01:27:27.479
minutes or so. In around 10 minutes. Okay. I

01:27:27.479 --> 01:27:31.300
want to ask the last question, and it's regarding

01:27:31.300 --> 01:27:35.590
Wayland or X11. What are your guys' thoughts?

01:27:36.189 --> 01:27:38.649
Waeland, not everything works on Waeland. They

01:27:38.649 --> 01:27:42.090
should keep X11, definitely. X11? Okay. Why,

01:27:42.109 --> 01:27:44.670
Andrea? Incredibly based. Because everything

01:27:44.670 --> 01:27:47.529
works on X11, and Linux has always been X11.

01:27:47.710 --> 01:27:49.649
But when I tried Waeland, the biggest problem

01:27:49.649 --> 01:27:52.130
I had is the screen recorders don't work. And

01:27:52.130 --> 01:27:55.010
also the screensavers, you know, the lovely screensavers,

01:27:55.029 --> 01:27:57.489
X screensavers, they don't work. X screensavers

01:27:57.489 --> 01:27:59.729
brought out a Waeland version, 6 .12, but we're

01:27:59.729 --> 01:28:01.729
never going to see it on Debian, because Debian

01:28:01.729 --> 01:28:04.220
hasn't got 6 .12. They always have the older

01:28:04.220 --> 01:28:06.539
versions and same with Ubuntu because they want

01:28:06.539 --> 01:28:09.180
to keep Ubuntu and Debian like to play safe and

01:28:09.180 --> 01:28:11.319
give us all the stable packages. So we're never

01:28:11.319 --> 01:28:14.000
going to see 6 .12 on Debian or Ubuntu or Linux

01:28:14.000 --> 01:28:17.800
Mint, not for years yet anyway. Yeah, also X

01:28:17.800 --> 01:28:21.699
-Eyes doesn't work on Wayland. No. X -Clock.

01:28:21.739 --> 01:28:26.500
6 -12, you know, the X -Wallpaper has been bought

01:28:26.500 --> 01:28:28.859
out for Wayland. The developer has. He bought

01:28:28.859 --> 01:28:31.279
out 6 -12 for Wayland, but we haven't got it

01:28:31.279 --> 01:28:34.279
in Debian. We haven't got it. Okay. Is that a

01:28:34.279 --> 01:28:36.680
Debian issue or a Wayland issue? We haven't got

01:28:36.680 --> 01:28:38.600
it. Not even on Debian SID, they haven't got

01:28:38.600 --> 01:28:40.699
it. Is that a Debian issue or a Wayland issue?

01:28:41.039 --> 01:28:44.619
No. 6 .12 XScreenSaver works on Waven. Developers

01:28:44.619 --> 01:28:46.819
updated it for Waven, but Debian hasn't got it.

01:28:46.859 --> 01:28:48.760
Ubuntu hasn't got it. Linux Mint hasn't got it.

01:28:49.220 --> 01:28:51.420
NAMNIP got it on Debian. SID, for some reason...

01:28:51.420 --> 01:28:52.779
No, they didn't make it in the last release.

01:28:53.000 --> 01:28:56.380
Latest one is 6 .09, the X version of XScreenSaver

01:28:56.380 --> 01:28:59.170
that Debian and Ubuntu's got, you know. So 2030,

01:28:59.590 --> 01:29:04.069
we'll have Weyland on Debian. 2030. We never

01:29:04.069 --> 01:29:05.710
have Weyland on anywhere. So my next tutorial

01:29:05.710 --> 01:29:07.770
will be how to use Weyland on Debian. I hope

01:29:07.770 --> 01:29:11.350
you never have it. I hope so. If anything should

01:29:11.350 --> 01:29:15.510
go, Weyland should keep X11. Let's move on to

01:29:15.510 --> 01:29:21.449
DT. DT's thoughts on Weyland versus X11. The

01:29:21.449 --> 01:29:25.710
timer is back. The timer is back. So go DT. So

01:29:25.710 --> 01:29:30.090
on technical basis, I really don't care. I'm

01:29:30.090 --> 01:29:32.789
on X11 because the window managers that I like

01:29:32.789 --> 01:29:36.890
to use are X11 window managers. I'm more worried

01:29:36.890 --> 01:29:39.050
about my workflow than the display server. They

01:29:39.050 --> 01:29:42.329
don't work right now. Qtel has a Wayland version.

01:29:42.470 --> 01:29:44.789
I can't quite get the thing to work. Once it's

01:29:44.789 --> 01:29:47.239
ready. I'll already be on Qtol, so I'll just

01:29:47.239 --> 01:29:49.520
log into the Qtol session rather than the X11

01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:52.520
session. So I'll be there eventually, but right

01:29:52.520 --> 01:29:58.079
now I'm on X11. But Hyperland's not my favorite

01:29:58.079 --> 01:29:59.979
thing to use, and that's pretty much it for window

01:29:59.979 --> 01:30:01.779
managers on Wayland. So if I'm not going to be

01:30:01.779 --> 01:30:03.979
a Hyperland user, I'm not going to be on Wayland

01:30:03.979 --> 01:30:06.520
because I'm not going to switch to, again, something

01:30:06.520 --> 01:30:09.300
that's not my workflow just to say I'm on Wayland,

01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:11.699
which is just a dang display server. I mean,

01:30:11.720 --> 01:30:14.369
what's it doing for me? It's showing me my monitors

01:30:14.369 --> 01:30:18.170
and windows just like X11. So, yeah, I'm fine

01:30:18.170 --> 01:30:20.989
until Wayland's ready or until some of these

01:30:20.989 --> 01:30:23.649
window managers I like to use finally have that

01:30:23.649 --> 01:30:27.529
Wayland support. Okay, so X11 for you then? Yeah,

01:30:27.569 --> 01:30:29.750
well, for now. Like I said, I really don't care.

01:30:30.010 --> 01:30:33.869
If Wayland worked in QTAL for me, yeah, I'd be

01:30:33.869 --> 01:30:38.810
there. Okay, what about you, Darth? Well... My

01:30:38.810 --> 01:30:42.670
setup here is I have a 42 inch screen in front

01:30:42.670 --> 01:30:47.029
of me. That's my main monitor, which is 4K. Another

01:30:47.029 --> 01:30:51.750
one here is, I think, 21 or 22 inches, but it's

01:30:51.750 --> 01:30:55.270
turned vertically because I use that one for

01:30:55.270 --> 01:30:58.090
monitoring stuff. I just use the main one for

01:30:58.090 --> 01:31:01.449
whatever I work on. And the one on the side is

01:31:01.449 --> 01:31:05.050
just for chat and for OBS and stuff like that.

01:31:05.689 --> 01:31:08.710
And I turn it vertically so that it doesn't take

01:31:08.710 --> 01:31:11.649
too much space on my desk. And it works quite

01:31:11.649 --> 01:31:15.069
well for me. And the reason why I'm on Wayland

01:31:15.069 --> 01:31:18.210
is because it helps me with the different DPI

01:31:18.210 --> 01:31:25.510
because Katie has well implemented the DPI scaling.

01:31:26.250 --> 01:31:29.470
on the different uh you know resolutions and

01:31:29.470 --> 01:31:32.550
dpis of the monitor so you can i can put i think

01:31:32.550 --> 01:31:36.750
125 zoom on this one and on on the other one

01:31:36.750 --> 01:31:41.529
150 and make when i move windows that they feel

01:31:41.529 --> 01:31:44.130
like they are the same size when they move between

01:31:44.130 --> 01:31:49.010
monitors right if i would have two same monitors

01:31:49.010 --> 01:31:52.850
i would not really care about wayland This is

01:31:52.850 --> 01:31:55.210
the only feature that I really care about, to

01:31:55.210 --> 01:31:58.510
be honest. And it's just because of my screens

01:31:58.510 --> 01:32:04.350
here. That's pretty much it. So, yeah. I don't

01:32:04.350 --> 01:32:08.670
care. If the community could invest a little

01:32:08.670 --> 01:32:12.180
bit effort. And I have a vague idea on how this

01:32:12.180 --> 01:32:16.739
could be done on X11. I think the window managers

01:32:16.739 --> 01:32:21.159
or KD or GNOME or Cinnamon would need to invest

01:32:21.159 --> 01:32:24.239
a little bit into toolkit development. I think

01:32:24.239 --> 01:32:29.180
it could be done on X11 as well because the Xorg

01:32:29.180 --> 01:32:33.319
cannot handle this. It would be the DPI scaling

01:32:33.319 --> 01:32:37.500
thing. It would need to be handled by the thing

01:32:37.500 --> 01:32:40.539
that controls Windows. you know so so that's

01:32:40.539 --> 01:32:44.920
usually time's up time's up now tony's turn go

01:32:44.920 --> 01:32:47.859
tony uh it's gonna be kind of what dt said is

01:32:47.859 --> 01:32:50.220
like if i'm you if i want to use hyperland i'll

01:32:50.220 --> 01:32:52.899
use wayland if i want to use you know xmonad

01:32:52.899 --> 01:32:56.420
i'll use x11 i definitely demonstrate like a

01:32:56.420 --> 01:32:58.699
lot of window managers for tutorials and stuff

01:32:58.699 --> 01:33:02.569
like that so um i'm open to both protocols Uh,

01:33:02.710 --> 01:33:04.149
but I actually have been trying to like build

01:33:04.149 --> 01:33:06.250
a small compositor in Wayland and it's a lot

01:33:06.250 --> 01:33:09.050
more complicated than building like an X 11 window

01:33:09.050 --> 01:33:12.090
manager because way harder. Yeah, exactly. You

01:33:12.090 --> 01:33:14.090
have to do everything yourself. So I do have

01:33:14.090 --> 01:33:15.510
a lot of respect for, you know, these, these

01:33:15.510 --> 01:33:18.409
developers, um, like Vax, right? The hyperline

01:33:18.409 --> 01:33:21.510
guy. And then he alters, uh, he made Neary and

01:33:21.510 --> 01:33:24.109
then mango, uh, was made by a guy named dream.

01:33:24.170 --> 01:33:27.189
And these guys, and I'm missing names and stuff,

01:33:27.210 --> 01:33:28.710
but these guys, I got a lot of respect for it.

01:33:28.729 --> 01:33:30.229
Cause these, this is really hard stuff to do.

01:33:30.289 --> 01:33:34.289
You know, I mean, I, I don't know. Anybody can

01:33:34.289 --> 01:33:37.090
create an X11 window manager. It's really not

01:33:37.090 --> 01:33:41.930
complicated. But it takes some serious effort

01:33:41.930 --> 01:33:45.130
to create a Wayland compositor. Yeah, it's really

01:33:45.130 --> 01:33:47.250
hard. And most people just don't have that capacity.

01:33:48.489 --> 01:33:51.090
Yeah, so there's WLRoots and there's Smithy and

01:33:51.090 --> 01:33:53.649
stuff that you can kind of use to save you a

01:33:53.649 --> 01:33:55.350
lot of boilerplate and stuff. But you get into

01:33:55.350 --> 01:33:57.229
this is opinionated and this, that, and the other.

01:33:57.899 --> 01:33:59.899
Well, then they all end up being just forks of

01:33:59.899 --> 01:34:02.119
the same thing, too. You don't have as much variety.

01:34:03.220 --> 01:34:06.420
So that's why Xorg, it takes care of all that

01:34:06.420 --> 01:34:09.960
for you, basically. And you get Xclip, Xwallpaper,

01:34:10.199 --> 01:34:13.680
Xsetroot, Xeverything, you know. So I don't know.

01:34:13.699 --> 01:34:15.739
I like X11 a lot better because I've been using

01:34:15.739 --> 01:34:19.039
it for like 20 years or whatever. But, you know,

01:34:19.039 --> 01:34:20.899
eventually if Wayland takes over, like, I have

01:34:20.899 --> 01:34:24.239
no problem adapting to that. And, yeah, no issues

01:34:24.239 --> 01:34:28.529
on my end on that. All right. The per monitor

01:34:28.529 --> 01:34:30.789
DPI thing is really the biggest thing they've

01:34:30.789 --> 01:34:34.229
got going right now for them, though. OK, awesome.

01:34:34.449 --> 01:34:37.890
So, guys, we've been here for almost two hours.

01:34:38.010 --> 01:34:41.829
We're going to end the stream here. Any final

01:34:41.829 --> 01:34:44.189
words, Andrea? You're going to say the final

01:34:44.189 --> 01:34:46.710
words of the stream. But before that, I just

01:34:46.710 --> 01:34:48.829
want to thank each one of you. Andrea, thanks

01:34:48.829 --> 01:34:52.029
for being here. DT is like the fourth time. Yeah,

01:34:52.170 --> 01:34:53.890
DT is like the fourth time that we've been here.

01:34:54.170 --> 01:34:56.850
Appreciate it. All right, Tony. Thank you, guys.

01:34:57.069 --> 01:35:00.170
So, Andrea, just share with us the final words,

01:35:00.369 --> 01:35:03.569
and we're done with the stream. Well, new users

01:35:03.569 --> 01:35:05.909
who are coming from Windows, it's best to start

01:35:05.909 --> 01:35:08.630
with Linux Mint. You can also start with Debian

01:35:08.630 --> 01:35:11.130
if you install a full desktop environment. Linux

01:35:11.130 --> 01:35:13.970
Mint is the best one to start with, or even Ubuntu,

01:35:14.050 --> 01:35:17.829
although Ubuntu has Snaps. But, I mean, new users

01:35:17.829 --> 01:35:20.189
coming from Windows will want a lot of extra

01:35:20.189 --> 01:35:23.069
software, and Snaps fill the gap when, you know,

01:35:23.090 --> 01:35:25.279
they don't have a lot. They don't have every

01:35:25.279 --> 01:35:27.520
dev package, but most of the software is available

01:35:27.520 --> 01:35:32.100
in Snap. So when you say Ubuntu, not the GNOME

01:35:32.100 --> 01:35:33.899
desktop environment. One or the other Ubuntu

01:35:33.899 --> 01:35:37.460
are spins like Cinnamon, Mate, or KDE, but not

01:35:37.460 --> 01:35:39.359
the GNOME desktop environment because it's too

01:35:39.359 --> 01:35:44.539
much like Windows 8. So Cinnamon, Mate, or KDE,

01:35:44.720 --> 01:35:47.939
Xfce, or LXDE. Yeah, they have that on Debian.

01:35:48.060 --> 01:35:50.380
And then it's Qt, but not GNOME because it's

01:35:50.380 --> 01:35:56.619
not very Windows -like, is it? Okay, awesome.

01:35:57.039 --> 01:35:59.640
Thanks, Andrea. Thanks, everyone. We'll see you

01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:01.399
next time. Bye. Bye.