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I mean, why would I want to use macOS? I think

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it's probably worse than Windows. Aren't there

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more restrictions? I don't even know what macOS

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looks like anyway or how to use it. I don't know

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how to use it. Let me show you macOS real quick.

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Don't use it. What are you using, Devlin? No.

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No, I use macOS. But you commented on my Linux

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channel. I thought you was a Linux user like

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me. You're not a Linux user. No, I use Linux.

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I thought you was using Linux like us. It is

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Debian 12 Bookworm. Well, that's an old version.

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You need to update. That's old stable. You need

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to upgrade now. You need to upgrade to Debian

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Trixie. Why haven't you upgraded it? Hey, Andrea,

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and I've heard a lot of people that say that

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Debian is a legacy distro and that it only has

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old packages. Would you say that is true? Well,

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not Debi and Trixie. I think they've changed

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a lot. I think it maybe was true in past versions.

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Learn Linux TV, but he's got nothing but praise

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for Fedora. I personally hate Fedora 43. Fedora

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43 is unusable, isn't it? I mean, it doesn't

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work, does it? It doesn't work. But I think...

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It doesn't work. It doesn't work. I'm lucky with

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X11. I don't want it to go. I want to stay on

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X11. I don't want Wayland because Wayland doesn't

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work. I don't like Pop! OS. I think it's overrated.

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I mean, on my laptops, I've got different desktop

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environments. This one's got the name Flashback.

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This one's got Budgie. The pink laptop. And then

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another advert plays. It's getting ridiculous

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now. It's getting frigging ridiculous. You know,

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the adverts are just nothing but annoying. It

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drives me mad. I hate them. And do you want to

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share with us? What do you do for a living or

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you want to keep that private? A Debian, Ubuntu

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or a Debian -based operation. The thing is with

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Ubuntu, the only thing is you have to have snaps,

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don't you? What do you think about Gentoo and

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the furries? Have you seen the furries? There's

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a lot of Linux users that wear these suits. And

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I didn't even know that you wasn't a Linux user

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until you told me. I just assumed that you did

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use Linux. I scammed you. So you got scammed.

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I think I saw you on DistroTube because I was

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watching DistroTube and you did an interview

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with a Mac user. I think that was you, wasn't

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it? Yeah, that was me. If you're listening to

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this as a podcast, remember that it was originally

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recorded as a video. If you're not following

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along, you can go to my YouTube channel. My username

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is Linkarzu. And if you want to support me to

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keep this podcast going, you can donate in Ko

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-fi. I'm going to leave a link in the description.

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All right, so let's get started with this chapter

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then. Are you ready to start? Yeah. One, two,

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three, start. Let's go. Okay. So, hey, everyone.

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I have Andrea Borman here with me today. Is that

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how you pronounce it? Andrea Borman. Yeah. Borman.

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Yeah. Borman. That is how you pronounce it. Definitely.

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Yeah. Okay. Awesome. Thanks for joining us, Andrea.

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How are you doing tonight? Well, as you know,

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a bit about myself. Well, I used to use Windows.

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And, well, I started my computer life pretty

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much the same as what everybody else did. I started

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with Windows XP. And, you know, I first found

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out about how to use a computer. Believe it or

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not, I learned from the person sitting next to

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me in the Internet cap. Well, he was also, you

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know, helping out in the shop as well, in an

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Internet cap in a shopping center in London.

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And the computers were Windows XP, and that's

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where I started. But it was another year before

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I learned to do email. And then in 2010, when

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I moved here, I got my own computer. The first

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computer was a netbook with Windows 7. So it

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was Windows 7 and Windows XP user and used Windows

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Vista. Well, how I came to Linux was, my story

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is pretty much the same as everybody else's.

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I love Windows 7, Windows XP and Windows Vista,

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but then everything changed when Microsoft introduced

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Windows 8. It had no start menu. It had the retro

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theme. But I tried to make the best of it. I

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installed this software called Classic Shell,

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which is supposed to bring back the Windows 7

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start menu. But then, because I was running it

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on a netbook, I always ran 32 -bit Windows, never

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64 -bit on these netbooks. It came with Windows

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7 starter that I would install my own upgrade

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to Windows 7 Home Premium or install. a clean

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install of Windows with Home Premium and Windows

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8. But with Windows 8, I found I was stuck on

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it because I couldn't upgrade to Windows 8 .1

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because you had to do that through the Microsoft

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Store. And because I was running Windows 8 on

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a netbook, you can't run Metro apps on a netbook.

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So I was stuck on Windows 8 .0, couldn't upgrade

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to Windows 8 .1. I did try the RTM version of

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Windows 8 .1 that was better, but it was only

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valid for... was it three months and then it

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expired so it had to go back to Windows 8 because

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you know this you can use it for so many days

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without activation I think it's three months

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and then after that you can I think you can press

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the rearm command but another three months and

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then but I mean after that it expires and then

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all the features screen turns black and the features

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disappear so then you have to do your reinstall

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don't you or go back to what you was using and

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Anyway, I was using Windows 8 for years and years.

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I did use Linux on and off, because in 2010,

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when I had Windows 7, my first operating system

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was Linux Mint 9, GNOME edition, which is very

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much like my GNOME flashback, except it had the

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Mint Mint. It's a bit like the Marte desktop.

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Well, exactly like the Marte desktop, because

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the Marte desktop is a clone of, what is it?

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Linux of GNOME 2, isn't it? The Mate desktop

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is a clone of GNOME 2. Even the file manager

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on the Mate desktop, Kaja, is a clone of the

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old Nautilus, isn't it? Anyway, I started on

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Linux Mint 9, but I wasn't serious about switching.

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So I was using Windows 7, and then I kept Linux

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Mint on a separate computer and wasn't using

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very much. And I did have one computer that I

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bought in 2015 that was 64 -bit. And I installed

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Linux Mint 17, but that was XFC. But I mostly

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use it for playing with VirtualBox, and I was

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silly enough to install Wine and Internet Explorer

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6. Why I did that, I don't know. Not a very good

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thing to do on Linux, is it? Because it's still...

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And then I was still using Windows 8 and Windows

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7, and then... Over the course of time, Windows

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8 got very, very slow, even when they ended support

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for Windows 7. I don't know when they ended it.

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Was it 2020 or something? I kept on using it.

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And then after a time, they stopped supporting

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the Firefox web browser and the web browser and

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a lot of software for Windows 7, and they did

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the same for Windows 8. But things got worse

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on Windows 8 because it was getting slower and

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slower and slower. I wasn't able to do basic

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things. I would go onto a website. And the adverts

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would just make it crash. I'd be in the middle

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of doing something on a website, even shopping

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online, and the whole thing would crash. So I

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thought to myself, well, you know. I didn't want

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to use Linux before because I had this thing

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you have to log in with a password, but then

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don't you have to do that on Windows 11? No,

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you don't. I thought, well, what if I were to

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try Linux Mint? Because most people, they don't

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really put a serious password in. They get around

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the password thing by putting in a two -letter

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password or a one -letter password like yes and

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no. Because you're forced to have a password

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in Linux. But a lot of people just put the two

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-letter password in and use a word they'll never

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forget, like one, two, or yes or no. Or one,

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one. That way. I mean, on Windows 11, you know,

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you can't even log in without a Microsoft account.

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I mean, when there was ending support for Windows

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7 and 8, it was either upgrade to Windows 10

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or 11, which I didn't want to do. So on my 64

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-bit computer, what if I tried Linux Mint? You

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know, because all the software is there. You

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know, because I said to myself, look, all I want

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to do is, you know, use the websites and do email

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and go on the websites. And I can't do any of

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those things on Windows 8 because it's constantly

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cracking. And Google Chrome is no longer supported

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now. They were dropping support for Google Chrome

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on Windows 8, and they did the same for Firefox,

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and they did the same with Windows 7. So if I

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stayed on there, it's using an outdated browser.

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So I tried Linux Mint XFC. I think it was 20

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.3, and I liked it. And then after that, I decided

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to try KDE. I installed KDE on Linux Mint, the

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Kavanto desktop, and I removed the XFC. The only

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thing was, the one thing that was putting me

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back was, Linux, by this time, you know, this

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was 2022. Most Linux operating systems have stopped

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support for... 32 -bit computers. I still have

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my 32 -bit netbooks. Most of them I never use

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because I was going through this phrase about

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this silly thing of stocking up on Windows 7

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computers so I won't get stuck with Windows 8

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because I bought them about 10 years before at

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a time when I didn't know how to install operating

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systems because I started out with very limited

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experience on computers. If you read my post

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on the forum, on the Windows forum, you'll see

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that I gradually... I think I taught myself or

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I just learned on the web. And then anyway, what

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was it? What do your friends? Debian was 32 -bit,

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so I tried putting Debian on my netbooks. I tried

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Sparky Linux, but I didn't realize that no matter

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what I did, even though it was a 32 -bit operating

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system, because the netbooks were very, very

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slow, because a netbook made for Windows 7 starter.

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I mean, I was constantly being told on the Windows

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forums, even as far back as in 2012, that the

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reason why I was having problems with Windows

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8 is because I was running it on a netbook and

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that I should get a full computer instead. Even

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if it's 32 -bit, well, most computers, you can

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either run 32 -bit or 64 -bit, but most operating

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systems are 64 -bit. But I never used the 64

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-bit Windows. I used 32 -bit because that's what

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they had. Let me ask you something. Windows 10

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was Windows 10 technical preview when it came

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out in beta. I think they made a slight improvement

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because you could use Metro apps on networks.

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I didn't like Windows 10 because you had to have

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automatic updates. You couldn't choose to install

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updates manually or disable updates so that you

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could check for them when you want them and install

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when you want them. some of the things they were

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taking more features out that were in windows

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7 so i i stuck with windows 8 for this reason

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but i wasn't even using the right version of

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windows 8 because windows 8 zero was only supported

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for a short time and then you're supposed to

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upgrade to windows 8 one aren't you i think but

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i didn't do that well i couldn't do that because

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i was running it on a netbook and you had to

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upgrade through the uh microsoft store you couldn't

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upgrade through windows update and the microsoft

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store is a metro app which doesn't work on netbooks

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I have a question for you, Andrea. What do people

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that know you think, or what do they say when

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you tell them that you're using Linux? Well,

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they already know because they watch my YouTube

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videos. They already know because they see my

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videos. They already know, don't they? Oh, so

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you're pretty famous around your friends, right?

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My YouTube channel is, you know, I've got Linux.

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If you look at my early videos, the early videos

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are about Windows. You know, the early videos

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are about Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 8 and

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Windows Vista. My later videos, the videos that

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I've been doing for the past, is it nearly two

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years, are about Linux. You know, I started using

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Linux in 2022, but I didn't start making videos

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about it until last year. Oh, where are we? Where

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have we gone? Oh, here we are. Yep, here we are

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in your channel. Yep, yep, yep. Let's look at

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all these videos. I've been learning the power

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of virtual machines with VertManager. I've installed

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VertManager because a virtual bot, which used

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to work in previous versions of Linux, doesn't

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work. Mm -hmm. Fedora 43 is the worst operating

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system I've tried. I'm not just baffling Fedora

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and trying to say that. It is. Nothing works

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in Fedora. I tried it in live CD on my laptop,

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which is a good testing ground. I didn't install

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it. It didn't work, and I didn't just try the

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buggy spin. I tried others as well. Okay, so

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Fedora. The graphics manager don't work, does

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it? You see it. You look at the video, and you

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see it. And what do you think about Arch? I've

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never used it, but I think I tried to install

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it. I think I downloaded the disk and tried to

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install it. It was all command line, so I didn't

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get very far. Couldn't do anything. And then

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I think I tried it out in Arch in something called

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distro C. And even when you use it in distro

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C, you have to enter commands. Well, there's

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been talk of malware in the org. It's happened

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several times this year, hasn't it? You know,

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so I mean, I don't think Arch is, I mean, if

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there's malware on Arch in the ore, then it's

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because all the, I think any user can upload

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to the ore, but on Debian and Ubuntu, they don't

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allow that because only the maintainers of Debian

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and Ubuntu are allowed to put software in the

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repositories. You can install your own software

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on your own computer, but you can't add to their

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repositories unless you're a developer. on Debian

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and Ubuntu, but in Arch it seems to be different,

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doesn't it? Yeah, I was trying to make Windows

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8 behave like Windows XP. Maybe that was a mistake.

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You're not really supposed to. It's not something

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they recommend, is it? Uh -huh, okay. It's not

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something they really recommend, is it? Yeah,

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these are the old videos. Seven years ago, I

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see here seven years ago. How long ago did you

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start? Well, they go as far back as 2009. 2009.

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When did you start? Why did you start a YouTube

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channel, Andrea? Well, I just liked it. A lot

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of people were doing it. You know, I started

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out for fun and then I started making... Oh,

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yeah, they didn't like my views on the Windows

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Forum. On the Windows Forum, they hate it when

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you tell them you don't use antivirus software.

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And they didn't like me backing Windows 8. I

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got into trouble for calling Windows 8, Windows

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8 Nightmares preview. Because when they had Windows

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8 Consumer Preview, they took away the start

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menu, and I was saying more Windows 8 Nightmares

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preview. But everybody on the Windows Forum was

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saying how wonderful Windows 8 and how... Better

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it is and all that. And I couldn't see it. I

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like Windows 7 and Windows XP, but they changed

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everything in Windows 8. I mean, it didn't have

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a start. I mean, on Linux, you look at the operating

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systems on Linux, the desktop. You look at Cinnamon,

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Marte, GNOME, Flashback, KDE, Xfce, even LXD

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and LXQt. They've all got that traditional start

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menu. Yet on Windows, you know, it's ironic that...

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On Linux, we have the traditional start menu

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that we're used to, but on Windows, Windows 11,

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well, Windows 11, my two new, oh, yeah, I got

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rid of my netbooks now. I just want to tell you,

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I got rid of those 32 -bit netbooks. I haven't

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got them anymore. I threw them out. Well, the

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battery stopped working anyway, so I had to use

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it with a plug -in charger, so they were very,

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very old. Oh, yeah. And also, they're no use

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anyway because netbooks only run 32 -bit, and

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there isn't any Linux that's 32 -bit. Debian.

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Well, the last ones to support 32 -bit, but now

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in Debian Trixie, there's no more 32 -bit. So

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if you've got a 32 -bit computer, then you have

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to buy a new computer because they don't support

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that. I would never be able to run Linux on those

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netbooks because they don't support 64 -bit.

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A Windows 7 starter netbook does not support

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64 -bit. Full stop, it doesn't, does it? And

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what is your favorite distro then, Debian? Yeah,

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it is now. I started off with Linux Mint. But

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the thing is with Linux Mint is they don't have

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a minimum install because Linux Mint is a very

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good desktop. But, you know, the software it

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comes with, like Celluloid and the other media

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players, I don't like that. I like VLC. I don't

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necessarily want a full Office 3. I might just

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want to use Abbey Word. You know, I mean, on

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Windows, you had something like WordPad. You

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have a paint program. And what else do you have?

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Notepad. Well, to get that on Linux, install

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Abbey Word, the equivalent of Notepad. Install

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one of the paint programs like Drawing or Cola

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Paint or XPaint. But there's many paint programs.

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Install the gedit for your Notepad text editor

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and denumerate to read spreadsheets. For your

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PDF viewer, Evans or Attrill or something like

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that. But, I mean, LibreOffice is like Microsoft

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Office, but if you're not doing a lot of office

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work, then installing the individual programs

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like Abbey Word, Genumeric and Evans and G -Edit

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is fine. Do you miss... They never seem to come

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with a paint program. They always forget the

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paint program, don't they? Yeah. Always have

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to install the paint program. Oh, Linux comes

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with a paint program. It comes with drawing.

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Oh, do you miss... Do you miss anything? Linux

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Mint comes with drawing. Linux Mint comes with

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drawing. Oh, awesome. Do you miss anything on

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Windows? No. Well, all of the software we had

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on Windows is all on Linux, isn't there? Because

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there's a Linux version of Firefox. There's a

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Linux version of Google Chrome. A Linux version

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of Chromium. Although most people on Windows

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use Google Chrome. There's a Linux version of

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everything. Thunderbirds. Well, LibreOffice.

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It's the free version of Office. You can use

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that on Windows. I never used Microsoft Office

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because you've got to pay for it. I mean, the

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old versions of Microsoft Office were very old

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ones with the CD key, but that was just for fun.

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I mean, you wouldn't use Microsoft Office 97

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for your day -to -day tasks, would you, on Windows?

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That was just for fun. I installed it on Windows

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8. I had to buy new laptops. The sacrifice I

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made was I had to get rid of my 32 -bit netbooks

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because they were no good for Linux because they

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only ran 32 bits. So I bought two laptops. I

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bought a new laptop. What did I buy? It came

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with Windows 11. So I logged into it because

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I thought I had to, but I took one look at it

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and I hated it. It was like Windows 8. It couldn't

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find, or worse actually, it couldn't find where

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the start menu was. Oh, it was worse than Windows

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8 because I had to create a Microsoft account

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that I knew that I wasn't going to use just to

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log into it because it wouldn't let me set it

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up without a Microsoft account. Well, shall I

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show you my laptops that I got? Do you want to

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see them? Oh, yeah, of course. I want to see

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them. Do you have them there? I'm sure you got...

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I got this one. You can't see that because...

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I don't know if you can see it. It's a lot of

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clues for the camera. An old one, isn't it? Yeah,

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yeah, I see it. I can see it. A little bit. The

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back of it. Maybe you can't. Oh, yeah, I see

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it. It's one of the older laptops. Well, where

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have we gone? I'll just go and get my new, just

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to show you an example, the new laptop that I

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bought. All right. We'll be waiting here. I'm

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just outside the room. This is the new laptop

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that I bought two years ago. It's 125 gigabytes.

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The trouble is it's got a built -in battery,

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so if it hangs, you can't switch it off. You

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press the button and you can't. Normally, you

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can pull the battery out to turn it off, but

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you can't. Yeah, they're not as good as the old

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laptops, are they? They've had Windows 11, which

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can run Debian and all of the modern apps. I

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can use the built -in webcam because it's more

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modern. It works better with the built -in webcam,

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so this is nice. It's only a 125 gigabyte hard

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drive, so it's not a very big hard drive, is

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it? Not as big as what I'd like. Mm -hmm. It's

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all right, that. It does. And what else have

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we got? I've got four laptops, obviously, on

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your site. Yeah, I was there. One... This is

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one iPad. This is the laptop that I did my first

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install of Linux Mint on, which I've had since

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2014. It had 64 -bit Windows 8. One. Okay, you

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still use it? Well, yes, it's got Debian with

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the Budgie desktop. Okay, okay. It did have Debian

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SID on it, but I've gone back to Debian stable

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now. But you see, this, like the other one, is

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an older laptop. You can remove the battery.

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And I think for Linux, the older laptops are

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better because the new laptops, it's like touching...

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It's like touching... Oh, it's like... Where

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are we? It's like touching... It's like touch

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and go because you don't know if they're going

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to run Linux a lot. Some of the very new laptops

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don't because you have to wait for Linux to update.

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But the older laptops, you know they're going

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to because they're slightly older. So the slightly

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older laptops are better for running the Linux,

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aren't they? And where's the other one? Let's

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send you the other one. Ah, okay. So you have

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an Apple 1, 2. The other one has got to be operating

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system -wise because they had Devin Sinner. You

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know, I clean wipe the drive and that'll probably

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have Debian stable on it with this. Oh, okay.

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Oh, but good. The built -in webcam doesn't work

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on. You see, the two laptops I got, this one

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and the blue one, was a reconditioned laptop

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I bought in the shop. It was reconditioned, refurnished.

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Okay. If you can see it, it's not very... I'm

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not holding it up to the camera very well, am

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I? Oh, I can see it. I can see it. It's nice.

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It's pink. It's a nice color. Nice color. Yep.

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And you can pull the battery out. The battery

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comes out there. Let's put them in the drawer

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so we don't damage them. We're going to put them

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away. They don't sound like that. The laptop

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I'm using now, which I'm making this recording

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of, they... They don't sell those laptops anymore,

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but they only sell the laptop which is like the

00:23:03.180 --> 00:23:06.019
first one, you know, the flimsy ones, which are

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not very good, are they? They're not very good,

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are they? The build quality is not the same,

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right? But the older laptops work better with

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the plug -in webcam because the built -in webcam's

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not very good. The pink one, the webcam, for

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some reason, doesn't work. But, I mean, I don't

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know. I mean, they work. I mean, the older laptops

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perform Linux runs better because sometimes when

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you buy a brand new laptop, you don't know if

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it's going to run Linux on it because it's built

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for Windows 11 and the brand new don't always.

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Uh -huh. When I first bought a new laptop, I

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didn't read the small print. I didn't realize

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that the hard drive was only 64 -bit and so it

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used to fill up very quickly. So if you install

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snaps of blackpacks and even if you don't, I

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got rid of that one. 64 -bit. Why are they selling

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laptops for 64 -bit hard drive? It's stupid,

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isn't it? How can you run Windows 11 on them,

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which must take up more space? I don't understand

00:24:01.180 --> 00:24:03.880
that, do you? You cannot. Why do you have so

00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:09.440
many laptops? Like, do you like... Well, I suppose

00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:11.339
you do need it. Well, I suppose you don't need

00:24:11.339 --> 00:24:13.440
more than two, maybe in case one of them breaks

00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:18.140
or something, gets broken. That's a backup. Well,

00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:20.059
you probably just need two, don't you, in case

00:24:20.059 --> 00:24:22.240
one breaks. But I don't have a smartphone. I

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don't use a smartphone. Oh, no? Just laptops?

00:24:26.700 --> 00:24:28.859
Well, I'll show you my mobile phone if you hold.

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Just hold. I can't get it. Okay, okay. Oh, this

00:24:34.579 --> 00:24:39.180
is my mobile phone. Oh, okay. One of the classic

00:24:39.180 --> 00:24:42.819
ones, right? Well, I can receive phone calls

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and text messages, but I certainly can't stand.

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Oh, I had a problem with eBay because eBay is

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no good now. Every time you try to log into eBay,

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you know, you get locked out of your account

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because, I mean, I have a, what is it? I have

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a dynamic IP that keeps changing, so I have to

00:25:00.150 --> 00:25:02.710
phone to get back into my account. And so they

00:25:02.710 --> 00:25:04.750
said you can do verification with your mobile,

00:25:04.809 --> 00:25:07.509
but you can only do it by scanning a QR with

00:25:07.509 --> 00:25:09.819
your spot. the smartphone and i can't do and

00:25:09.819 --> 00:25:11.920
that i can't do the impossible because i don't

00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:14.180
have a smart i mean he's stupid i've given up

00:25:14.180 --> 00:25:17.220
on ebay i mean these stupid websites i mean you

00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:19.700
know i've not it's like facebook every time i

00:25:19.700 --> 00:25:22.019
logged in they put me on two -tier altification

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and i had to verify with my mobile but yeah well

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you're gonna i had to because i don't get a signal

00:25:29.339 --> 00:25:31.019
in here because i'm in a block of flats i had

00:25:31.019 --> 00:25:34.119
to put this on the window ledge and uh it would

00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:37.369
call my mobile number And, you know, I got sick

00:25:37.369 --> 00:25:39.309
of Facebook because of that. And also it wasn't

00:25:39.309 --> 00:25:41.490
very good. So I just deleted my account. And

00:25:41.490 --> 00:25:43.849
with eBay, if you want to verify with your mobile,

00:25:43.990 --> 00:25:46.130
you can only do that by scanning with your QR

00:25:46.130 --> 00:25:49.430
code. So every time I log into eBay, I have to

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phone up customer service advisors from my landline

00:25:52.109 --> 00:25:54.170
and they have to ring me back in order to get

00:25:54.170 --> 00:25:56.569
back in my account. So how am I supposed to use

00:25:56.569 --> 00:25:58.589
it? I'm glad they don't have that on YouTube

00:25:58.589 --> 00:26:01.519
or I'd never get any. I don't know why. Websites

00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:03.880
cause so many problems. Maybe they don't want

00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:05.740
us to log into their website. You think they're

00:26:05.740 --> 00:26:07.759
trying to log us out deliberately, perhaps? You

00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:10.660
know, it's stupid, isn't it? Some of these websites,

00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:13.539
I mean, I spoke to a woman on the phone. I've

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got four computers. I've got a rolling IP address,

00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:18.700
which is a dynamic. They said you should get

00:26:18.700 --> 00:26:21.259
a static one. It's not safe to get static IP.

00:26:21.420 --> 00:26:23.619
Our internet service provider gives everyone

00:26:23.619 --> 00:26:26.839
dynamic IP. What a stupid thing to say, you know?

00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:31.250
I mean, I don't want to. You know, I mean, you

00:26:31.250 --> 00:26:33.130
should be able to log into a website without

00:26:33.130 --> 00:26:35.069
having to jump through hoops like this. It's

00:26:35.069 --> 00:26:38.589
just ridiculous. I mean, you know, you can verify

00:26:38.589 --> 00:26:40.910
with your email address, even with Google, even

00:26:40.910 --> 00:26:43.990
with Gmail, you can verify with your mobile phone.

00:26:46.700 --> 00:26:49.259
I can't log into eBay. I can't do shopping on

00:26:49.259 --> 00:26:51.319
eBay now because there's a problem with getting

00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:53.319
into the website. Every time I want to get in,

00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:55.640
I get locked out saying it's been blocked and

00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:58.119
I have to ring customer service advisors and

00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:02.579
speak to a customer service advisor. So it's

00:27:02.579 --> 00:27:06.859
another way. Have you had that problem? I have

00:27:06.859 --> 00:27:10.839
a smartphone. Do you have something against smartphones?

00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:14.039
You don't like them or why do you? I don't even

00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:15.940
know how to use a smartphone. Once one of my

00:27:15.940 --> 00:27:17.799
neighbors knocked on my door. She bought a new

00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:21.140
smartphone. And I said to her, well, she asked

00:27:21.140 --> 00:27:23.000
me to help her use it. I said, well, where's

00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:24.740
the keyboard? Because it doesn't have a keyboard.

00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:30.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's horrible. Yep. And I couldn't

00:27:30.779 --> 00:27:32.740
help her. I don't know how to use a smartphone.

00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:35.720
But I mean, if I've got a computer, if I've got

00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:37.880
laptops, I don't have a computer because I'm

00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:39.920
in a flat because computer, you can't move about.

00:27:40.140 --> 00:27:42.859
I've got laptops. But if I've got laptops, why

00:27:42.859 --> 00:27:45.079
do I need a smartphone to get online when I've

00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:47.519
got a laptop? And you can take, I mean, when

00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:49.779
I used to go on holiday a lot and stay in hotels,

00:27:49.940 --> 00:27:52.299
I used to take my laptop to hotels and connect

00:27:52.299 --> 00:27:54.720
to their public Wi -Fi. But you can still do

00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:56.799
that with Linux because I've got wireless broadband,

00:27:57.059 --> 00:28:00.549
so I can still connect to... public Wi -Fi in

00:28:00.549 --> 00:28:02.930
coffee shops or in hotels. And I can take my

00:28:02.930 --> 00:28:06.049
laptop to a hotel and I can still do that, can't

00:28:06.049 --> 00:28:10.049
I, with Linux? Because it's got Wi -Fi. I've

00:28:10.049 --> 00:28:13.329
got Firewall, which is a GUFW. I may have to

00:28:13.329 --> 00:28:15.309
disable the Firewall because Firewall makes...

00:28:15.309 --> 00:28:18.230
No, I think I should leave the Firewall turned

00:28:18.230 --> 00:28:20.809
on if I'm using public network. But what I'm

00:28:20.809 --> 00:28:22.650
saying is you can do everything with Linux and

00:28:22.650 --> 00:28:25.410
what you could do with Windows 7. Well, I can't

00:28:25.410 --> 00:28:27.589
use Windows 7 now. That's out, isn't it? It's

00:28:27.589 --> 00:28:30.569
end of life. Yep, it's in the fly. Windows 11,

00:28:30.589 --> 00:28:32.950
I don't even know how to use. I couldn't even

00:28:32.950 --> 00:28:35.250
navigate where the start menu was. I couldn't

00:28:35.250 --> 00:28:39.269
even find any of it. But if you're already on

00:28:39.269 --> 00:28:42.250
Linux, going to Windows would feel like a downgrade.

00:28:42.289 --> 00:28:44.569
I love all about Windows 11. When I first bought

00:28:44.569 --> 00:28:47.250
my computer, I didn't even have a full operating

00:28:47.250 --> 00:28:50.009
system because when I bought my computer, it

00:28:50.009 --> 00:28:54.190
had Windows 11. It was called S mode, restricted

00:28:54.190 --> 00:28:59.549
mode. They had instructions to get out of S mode,

00:28:59.630 --> 00:29:01.730
which didn't work. I was glad to just wipe it

00:29:01.730 --> 00:29:03.890
off my computer and install Linux Mint because

00:29:03.890 --> 00:29:06.829
it came with Windows 11. These laptops came with

00:29:06.829 --> 00:29:09.289
Windows 10, but I didn't bother to boot. Maybe

00:29:09.289 --> 00:29:11.470
they put it on there, you know, whoever sold

00:29:11.470 --> 00:29:14.289
it. I bought it from Two Second Hand. You know,

00:29:14.309 --> 00:29:17.589
they've got a shop where we live, and it's got

00:29:17.589 --> 00:29:19.609
reconditioned computers and things. They're two

00:29:19.609 --> 00:29:21.609
reconditioned computers. I bought them from there,

00:29:21.710 --> 00:29:24.849
reconditioned laptops, which were HP. And I had

00:29:24.849 --> 00:29:27.089
Windows 10, which presumably the shop installed,

00:29:27.329 --> 00:29:30.910
but I still use a DVD. I'm still doing it the

00:29:30.910 --> 00:29:32.789
old -fashioned way, but maybe I should learn

00:29:32.789 --> 00:29:35.650
to use a USB drive. Oh, what's happening to your

00:29:35.650 --> 00:29:39.029
picture? Oh, there we go. I don't know. Something

00:29:39.029 --> 00:29:41.970
happened to my computer. And let me ask you something,

00:29:42.250 --> 00:29:45.509
Andrea. Do we need a smartphone? We've got a

00:29:45.509 --> 00:29:49.029
computer. We've got a computer. I mean, how can

00:29:49.029 --> 00:29:51.309
you view things and view things online with a

00:29:51.309 --> 00:29:53.829
tiny phone? I mean, isn't using a laptop better?

00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:57.200
Yeah, it is. But, you know, the way that society

00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:00.220
is built now, they want us to have they want

00:30:00.220 --> 00:30:02.339
to have us connected all the time. It's bad.

00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:06.299
It's bad for us. Smartphone. I mean, when I tell

00:30:06.299 --> 00:30:09.480
them I haven't got a smartphone, I mean, you

00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:11.819
know, I've not been forced to have a smartphone

00:30:11.819 --> 00:30:15.279
anywhere. I mean, I mean, they're changing me

00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:17.099
to something called digital voice. And I told

00:30:17.099 --> 00:30:19.359
him I haven't got a smartphone. But, well, I

00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:22.880
mean, they said, well, I mean. My internet service

00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:25.279
provider is for my broadband, so I can use a

00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.559
computer laptop. The only difference is that

00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:29.619
my landline is going to plug into my router.

00:30:29.660 --> 00:30:32.299
It won't plug into the phone socket in the wall.

00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:35.859
You know these copper lines where the phone line

00:30:35.859 --> 00:30:37.900
is separate from the internet? Now it's going

00:30:37.900 --> 00:30:39.700
to be together. I think you plug it into your

00:30:39.700 --> 00:30:42.240
router, something like this. But they're coming

00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:47.059
to check to change it. I mean, that has nothing

00:30:47.059 --> 00:30:48.819
to do with smartphone. I don't have to have a

00:30:48.819 --> 00:30:50.890
smartphone. There's no condition. You don't get

00:30:50.890 --> 00:30:53.329
healthier. If you get a smartphone, you're going

00:30:53.329 --> 00:30:55.589
to be hooked all the time. That's what happens

00:30:55.589 --> 00:30:58.769
with all of us. I don't have to use a smartphone,

00:30:58.950 --> 00:31:03.809
do I? Well, I mean, this mobile phone is only

00:31:03.809 --> 00:31:06.769
for an emergency. When I go away from home or

00:31:06.769 --> 00:31:08.529
when I'm out and about and someone wants to ring

00:31:08.529 --> 00:31:14.150
me, they phone me. And it works, believe it or

00:31:14.150 --> 00:31:21.230
not. I can see it. Yeah, I can see it. And it's

00:31:21.230 --> 00:31:24.710
just for if I want to call taxes or I get text

00:31:24.710 --> 00:31:26.869
messages, but it doesn't connect to the internet.

00:31:26.970 --> 00:31:29.089
They do have these old ones that connect to the

00:31:29.089 --> 00:31:32.769
internet, but they won't do very much. If someone

00:31:32.769 --> 00:31:34.869
wants to ring me, they ring me on this. And if

00:31:34.869 --> 00:31:37.390
they want to text me on this, but I need my land.

00:31:37.529 --> 00:31:39.890
When I'm at home, I use a landline. I pay for

00:31:39.890 --> 00:31:42.329
my service. So I just use a landline. So when

00:31:42.329 --> 00:31:44.470
people ring me at home, I use a landline and

00:31:44.470 --> 00:31:46.309
I've got an answering machine on the landline.

00:31:47.210 --> 00:31:49.190
A mobile phone is only for when you're away from

00:31:49.190 --> 00:31:50.910
home, isn't it? When you're not at home. Well,

00:31:51.029 --> 00:31:53.569
I'm in a block of flats, so we can't get a signal

00:31:53.569 --> 00:31:55.529
in here. I have to hold this out the window to

00:31:55.529 --> 00:31:57.789
get a signal because we can't. We're next door

00:31:57.789 --> 00:32:00.670
a hospital and it blocks the signal. Yeah, the

00:32:00.670 --> 00:32:03.130
idea of smartphones is just that it's a small

00:32:03.130 --> 00:32:06.170
computer. You still won't get a signal on it,

00:32:06.210 --> 00:32:07.910
will you? Because it's still mobile, isn't it?

00:32:07.970 --> 00:32:10.950
Yeah, you get signal. You can receive calls and

00:32:10.950 --> 00:32:14.480
all that stuff. It's just like a... You can take

00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:16.579
photographs with it. You can take photographs.

00:32:16.980 --> 00:32:21.279
You know these old phones here. You can get these

00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:23.440
with a webcam. These used to come with them.

00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:27.619
Yeah, some of them. There's a site called ReFurnished

00:32:27.619 --> 00:32:29.440
Phones. Some of these have built -in webcams,

00:32:29.539 --> 00:32:32.759
but this one doesn't. These ones have a built

00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:34.940
-in. This one hasn't got a webcam, but some of

00:32:34.940 --> 00:32:37.259
these, they have a built -in webcam. Yeah, but

00:32:37.259 --> 00:32:40.059
you don't. And the old ones have internet, but

00:32:40.059 --> 00:32:42.660
they're just a... crude aren't they they connect

00:32:42.660 --> 00:32:44.480
to the internet but you wouldn't really be able

00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:46.420
to view anything because the browser and everything

00:32:46.420 --> 00:32:49.339
would be very very old so you can get the old

00:32:49.339 --> 00:32:51.460
ones aren't the old Nokia ones some of them did

00:32:51.460 --> 00:32:54.940
do internet the reconditioned ones but it wouldn't

00:32:54.940 --> 00:32:56.940
be like a smartphone you wouldn't get very far

00:32:56.940 --> 00:33:00.099
in it would you yeah you don't need it just try

00:33:00.099 --> 00:33:03.019
to go as far as you can with your phone and yeah

00:33:03.019 --> 00:33:06.380
well I can take my laptop out and I can connect

00:33:06.380 --> 00:33:10.089
to a wireless I can use it in a coffee shop But

00:33:10.089 --> 00:33:12.230
I don't take it out because it might get stolen.

00:33:12.289 --> 00:33:13.890
I wouldn't take a laptop. It's heavy to carry

00:33:13.890 --> 00:33:16.029
around. I don't take my laptop out of the house

00:33:16.029 --> 00:33:18.150
unless I go away on holiday or something like

00:33:18.150 --> 00:33:22.369
this. Use it in the hotel room. When I used to

00:33:22.369 --> 00:33:24.390
go on holiday a lot, I used to take my laptop

00:33:24.390 --> 00:33:26.710
and use it in the hotel room. Do you want to

00:33:26.710 --> 00:33:31.309
share with us a little bit? The hotels have Wi

00:33:31.309 --> 00:33:34.730
-Fi, don't they, that you can connect to in the

00:33:34.730 --> 00:33:37.180
hotel? They do. Do you want to share with us

00:33:37.180 --> 00:33:39.559
a little bit about your background? Like, why

00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:41.640
did you get started with computers? I don't know

00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:43.480
if you want to share with us about your history,

00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:46.680
your background. That was a total accident because

00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:51.579
I'm, what am I? I'm 62. I was born in 1963. When

00:33:51.579 --> 00:33:53.519
we went to school, we never learned computers.

00:33:53.819 --> 00:33:57.039
We learned, I mean, you didn't always, well,

00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:00.279
you don't even type in classes. Only a few people

00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:03.460
were allowed to use, to go to the typing classes.

00:34:04.750 --> 00:34:07.789
typing we had to learn when we left school but

00:34:07.789 --> 00:34:10.789
i couldn't type but um it was my accident because

00:34:10.789 --> 00:34:14.360
uh there used to be this shopping center It was

00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:16.360
called Whiteleaf Shopping Centre in Queensway

00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:18.039
and they had an internet cafe. This was back

00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:20.840
in 2006 where you buy a little ticket. It was

00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:22.980
called Easy Internet Cafe. You sit down and you

00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:25.579
just go on the computer. And the man there that

00:34:25.579 --> 00:34:27.579
was working there showed me how to use it. He

00:34:27.579 --> 00:34:29.900
sat me down. If it hadn't have been for him,

00:34:29.900 --> 00:34:31.900
I never would have learned how to use the computer

00:34:31.900 --> 00:34:34.420
because when I went there before, I didn't have

00:34:34.420 --> 00:34:36.440
a clue what to do. Couldn't even use the mouse.

00:34:36.539 --> 00:34:38.739
But the man sat me down. He showed me how to

00:34:38.739 --> 00:34:41.059
use the computer. He showed me how to get connected

00:34:41.059 --> 00:34:44.440
with my ticket. You buy a ticket for £2 and then

00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:47.780
go on it. You could get a day ticket, last year

00:34:47.780 --> 00:34:50.500
a day, or was it two days? And then he showed

00:34:50.500 --> 00:34:53.719
me how to log in. It was Windows XP and how to

00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:55.719
use the web browser, which was Internet Explorer.

00:34:56.500 --> 00:35:02.119
And then he showed me how to do email. So we

00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:05.599
set up an email account eventually. Well, I was

00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:07.519
doing everything in the internet, Cap, and then

00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:12.219
when I moved here to my new flat in 2010, I decided

00:35:12.219 --> 00:35:14.500
to buy a laptop. It was a netbook with Windows

00:35:14.500 --> 00:35:16.760
7 starter. Maybe that wasn't a good move. I should

00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:19.880
have bought a proper laptop, shouldn't I? Mm

00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:23.320
-hmm. Yep, yep. The Windows 7 starter was very

00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:25.179
crippled. You couldn't even change the wallpaper.

00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:28.280
Yeah, yeah. And that's when you decided to start

00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:31.780
a channel? What about you? Did you start off

00:35:31.780 --> 00:35:33.800
on Windows as well, or have you never used Windows?

00:35:34.269 --> 00:35:40.250
Yep, I did start on Windows 95. Oh, so you were

00:35:40.250 --> 00:35:42.969
using it before me, because when I started to

00:35:42.969 --> 00:35:45.469
use a computer, I mean, Windows XP was old anyway,

00:35:45.610 --> 00:35:48.030
but most of the... They used to have a lot of

00:35:48.030 --> 00:35:50.690
internet cats in England. All the internet cats

00:35:50.690 --> 00:35:53.210
used Windows XP because they couldn't be bothered

00:35:53.210 --> 00:35:55.989
upgrading to Windows 7, and I assume they didn't

00:35:55.989 --> 00:35:58.090
upgrade to Windows Vista, which was there at

00:35:58.090 --> 00:36:01.480
the time, because they had problems, but... All

00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:04.059
the internet caps had Windows XP, or most of

00:36:04.059 --> 00:36:05.920
them did. Only a few had Windows 7. But when

00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:08.780
you bought a new computer in 2009, it was Windows

00:36:08.780 --> 00:36:13.099
7. So I missed out on Windows 98, Windows 2000.

00:36:13.300 --> 00:36:15.920
Always wanted to use it. But when I finally did

00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:18.559
get Windows 2000 on one of my netbooks, which

00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:21.320
was an MSI Win, which had the old, you could

00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:24.679
switch to SATA drive, I didn't like it. And I

00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:26.699
couldn't even get the graphics working because

00:36:26.699 --> 00:36:31.090
the drivers wouldn't support it. When I did install

00:36:31.090 --> 00:36:33.269
Windows 2000 in Virtual Machine, I thought, well,

00:36:33.369 --> 00:36:36.409
it's not all that great, is it? So when I installed

00:36:36.409 --> 00:36:38.369
it, I realized it wasn't really all that great.

00:36:38.610 --> 00:36:42.030
No, it was great when that was the only option

00:36:42.030 --> 00:36:44.289
available. Windows XP is more superior. It has

00:36:44.289 --> 00:36:47.469
more, doesn't it? Oh, yeah. When XP came out,

00:36:47.630 --> 00:36:51.130
it was like, man, this is, yeah, it looked...

00:36:51.130 --> 00:36:53.349
It's difficult to install because a lot of them

00:36:53.349 --> 00:36:56.650
don't... They use a different hard drive setting

00:36:56.650 --> 00:36:59.230
for that of Windows 7 and Windows 5. So a lot

00:36:59.230 --> 00:37:01.429
of the HPs, they don't have the old SATA drive.

00:37:01.769 --> 00:37:03.909
So unless you've got that, like you've got on

00:37:03.909 --> 00:37:06.369
the MSI Wing, you can't install Windows XP. But

00:37:06.369 --> 00:37:08.789
I think I did install it on one of them. It was

00:37:08.789 --> 00:37:12.849
Windows XP Media Center Edition. It wasn't bad,

00:37:12.929 --> 00:37:16.909
but... I mean, they're not supported now. I can't

00:37:16.909 --> 00:37:21.190
use them now, can I? No, I don't think you can.

00:37:21.250 --> 00:37:24.440
I'm not sure, but... All the web browsers would

00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:26.039
be out of date. The biggest problem is the web

00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:27.860
browser. I mean, how can you shop online and

00:37:27.860 --> 00:37:30.400
do anything if you can't get online? If you use

00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:32.760
a very, very old web browser, you can't bank

00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:36.500
online or shop online. It's not very safe, is

00:37:36.500 --> 00:37:39.380
it? You can on Linux, but not on... But even

00:37:39.380 --> 00:37:41.920
old versions of Linux are supported. Because

00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:45.099
when I installed Debian 10 a few months ago in

00:37:45.099 --> 00:37:48.840
one of my videos in... virtual machine i was

00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:51.239
very surprised to get updates with debian 10

00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:55.860
i didn't think uh you know debian 10 was old

00:37:55.860 --> 00:37:58.780
old stable at that a few months ago debian buster

00:37:58.780 --> 00:38:00.960
was old old stable so you could install it and

00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:03.320
still get updates and believe it or not i tried

00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:06.280
the live cd on my laptop not the new laptop obviously

00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:08.719
but this one and it worked white white drivers

00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:10.840
worked and everything because When they said

00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:13.239
they don't have non -free firmware, they also

00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:16.480
had, Debian had ISOs, unofficial ISOs of Debian

00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:18.559
11 and Debian 12 that have non -free firmware,

00:38:18.699 --> 00:38:20.219
and it's one of those that I installed. But,

00:38:20.219 --> 00:38:22.719
of course, Debian 10's not supported now. They've

00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:25.000
taken it off the website. But Debian 11 still

00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:27.599
is, so some people are still using Debian 11.

00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:32.119
But I don't see why they, well, the biggest problem

00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:35.250
is the web, I don't. I don't install my web browsers

00:38:35.250 --> 00:38:37.849
from the package manager. I install them myself.

00:38:38.150 --> 00:38:41.250
When I install Debian or Linux Mint, I download

00:38:41.250 --> 00:38:43.690
Firefox from the website. I just go to the Firefox

00:38:43.690 --> 00:38:47.309
website and download it. You just download the

00:38:47.309 --> 00:38:50.190
tile file and unzip the tile, put it in a folder

00:38:50.190 --> 00:38:53.030
somewhere, unzip the tile file, and just run

00:38:53.030 --> 00:38:54.969
the extension and make a shortcut to it in the

00:38:54.969 --> 00:38:57.750
web. Well, it's in the videos, but on Google

00:38:57.750 --> 00:39:00.090
Chrome, when you install the dev file, it adds

00:39:00.090 --> 00:39:02.130
the repository to the package manager, so you

00:39:02.130 --> 00:39:05.010
get updates. for Google Chrome in Synaptic, so

00:39:05.010 --> 00:39:06.730
you don't have to keep reinstalling Firefox.

00:39:07.269 --> 00:39:10.309
You just click about Firefox, and it tells you

00:39:10.309 --> 00:39:12.610
when there's updates. It updates automatically,

00:39:12.710 --> 00:39:15.369
a bit like the Windows Firefox does. I don't

00:39:15.369 --> 00:39:17.849
know if you've used at all Firefox. Have you

00:39:17.849 --> 00:39:20.929
or not? No, I haven't. I don't use Firefox. I

00:39:20.929 --> 00:39:23.869
use Brave. What do you use? You use Chrome and

00:39:23.869 --> 00:39:27.710
Firefox. Is that correct? Yeah, because Chromium,

00:39:27.750 --> 00:39:29.730
you can't download it from a web. There is a

00:39:29.730 --> 00:39:32.469
download for Chromium. There is one from... There's

00:39:32.469 --> 00:39:34.349
a download for Chromium, but it's the bleeding

00:39:34.349 --> 00:39:36.789
edge version of Chromium, which is not recommended

00:39:36.789 --> 00:39:39.210
for everyday use. It's the bleeding edge version,

00:39:39.289 --> 00:39:43.469
like testing, that's nightly build. And that's

00:39:43.469 --> 00:39:46.070
the only one you can download for Linux and Windows.

00:39:46.210 --> 00:39:49.269
So it's not, they don't recommend it. So there

00:39:49.269 --> 00:39:51.489
isn't a download for Chromium available on the

00:39:51.489 --> 00:39:53.230
web. You have to get it from your package manager

00:39:53.230 --> 00:39:56.710
and Windows users just use Google Chrome. What

00:39:56.710 --> 00:39:59.969
is the worst Linux distro you have ever used?

00:40:02.409 --> 00:40:05.230
Well, I didn't like PC Linux. That wasn't very

00:40:05.230 --> 00:40:08.929
good. But it has to be Fedora 43. I hate to say

00:40:08.929 --> 00:40:11.710
it, but Fedora 41 I was happy with. I thought

00:40:11.710 --> 00:40:15.389
Fedora 41 might be for new users because the

00:40:15.389 --> 00:40:18.329
only difference was with Fedora 41 was instead

00:40:18.329 --> 00:40:21.190
of saying the sudo apt update, it said the sudo

00:40:21.190 --> 00:40:26.150
dnf update. But, you know, and everything worked

00:40:26.150 --> 00:40:28.869
fine, dnf dragora. So I thought, well. This can

00:40:28.869 --> 00:40:31.130
be for new users, although it wasn't quite the

00:40:31.130 --> 00:40:33.809
same because they don't have as many graphical

00:40:33.809 --> 00:40:36.809
tools on Fedora as what you have on Ubuntu and

00:40:36.809 --> 00:40:38.690
Debian. Because on Ubuntu, you've got a startup

00:40:38.690 --> 00:40:41.150
applications manager, which, by the way, can

00:40:41.150 --> 00:40:43.489
be installed on Debian because most of the Ubuntu

00:40:43.489 --> 00:40:46.090
software works on Debian because they're both

00:40:46.090 --> 00:40:49.809
very similar operating systems. So you can install

00:40:49.809 --> 00:40:52.630
a startup applications manager on Debian from

00:40:52.630 --> 00:40:58.230
Ubuntu, which I do. What is it? A GNOME system

00:40:58.230 --> 00:41:00.309
tool where you configure your user accounts.

00:41:00.929 --> 00:41:03.309
Fedora doesn't have that. It doesn't have GNOME

00:41:03.309 --> 00:41:07.130
startup applications either. And it has DNF Fedora,

00:41:07.210 --> 00:41:10.190
but that no longer works in Fedora 43. It's broken

00:41:10.190 --> 00:41:12.610
and they haven't fixed it. I tried using their

00:41:12.610 --> 00:41:14.869
old package manager called GNOME Package Kit.

00:41:14.929 --> 00:41:16.929
If you see in the video, another graphical package

00:41:16.929 --> 00:41:20.110
manager. That's what Fedora used to use before

00:41:20.110 --> 00:41:22.750
GNOME Software Center, GNOME Package Kit. That

00:41:22.750 --> 00:41:24.909
was only partly functional because where were

00:41:24.909 --> 00:41:26.610
the categories at the site? They were missing.

00:41:26.769 --> 00:41:30.210
But, well, Gnome Package Kit is not supported

00:41:30.210 --> 00:41:33.329
now. It's not been updated since Gnome 43. So

00:41:33.329 --> 00:41:35.750
if you're using Debian Bookworm or Debian Buster,

00:41:35.849 --> 00:41:38.090
then Gnome Package Kit is fine. But in Debian

00:41:38.090 --> 00:41:41.389
13, although you can use Gnome Package Kit, it's

00:41:41.389 --> 00:41:44.889
not been updated since Gnome 43. Although it

00:41:44.889 --> 00:41:47.710
does work, it installs and updates. The only

00:41:47.710 --> 00:41:49.610
thing is when you try to run install software,

00:41:49.690 --> 00:41:52.230
the whole thing crashes. So you're probably better

00:41:52.230 --> 00:41:55.469
off using Synaptic, I think. And why did you

00:41:55.469 --> 00:41:59.630
decide to go to Debian? Because it's the best.

00:41:59.710 --> 00:42:02.590
Is that why? Well, I was put to Debian totally

00:42:02.590 --> 00:42:07.309
by accident. In 2022, I was on Linux Mint, and

00:42:07.309 --> 00:42:09.650
I knew that my netbooks wasn't going to support

00:42:09.650 --> 00:42:11.969
a lot of Linux operating systems because most

00:42:11.969 --> 00:42:16.190
of them were 64 -bit. They had some 32 -bit Linux,

00:42:16.309 --> 00:42:18.769
but they were fast phasing out their 32 -bit

00:42:18.769 --> 00:42:22.389
and dropping support for 32 -bit. I found out

00:42:22.389 --> 00:42:24.929
that Debian still supported 32 -bit, and that's

00:42:24.929 --> 00:42:26.570
how I got pulled into Debian, because I thought,

00:42:26.650 --> 00:42:30.269
ah, a 32 -bit operating system. And also, I thought,

00:42:30.309 --> 00:42:32.289
I want an operating system that doesn't have

00:42:32.289 --> 00:42:34.929
snaps and flatbacks bundled in. I think that

00:42:34.929 --> 00:42:37.730
came from when I had the new laptop with the

00:42:37.730 --> 00:42:40.150
64 -bit hard drive that I now got rid of that

00:42:40.150 --> 00:42:42.510
I don't have anymore, because I found out that

00:42:42.510 --> 00:42:46.349
snaps and flatbacks take up a lot of your space.

00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:49.300
So with Debian, you don't have to have snaps

00:42:49.300 --> 00:42:51.460
and flat packs if you don't want. So that was

00:42:51.460 --> 00:42:54.179
very attractive. So I installed Debian on my

00:42:54.179 --> 00:42:57.699
32 -bit laptops, and it did work. It was LXQT,

00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:01.800
and it was all right. I soon realized, and then

00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:04.380
I tried Sparky Linux, another 32 -bit operating

00:43:04.380 --> 00:43:06.400
system, because they had a 32 -bit for that,

00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:09.079
didn't they? And so did they have the Q4S. But

00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:11.679
I soon came to realize that the 32 -bit netbooks

00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:14.659
weren't going to run as well as the 64 -bit.

00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:16.760
So I thought, right, let's get rid of the 32

00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:19.159
-bit netbooks because I've got so many. I had

00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:23.030
about 10, not going to use them. And I decided

00:43:23.030 --> 00:43:25.590
to take the plunge and I threw out all my Windows

00:43:25.590 --> 00:43:28.969
7 install CDs. Because with Windows 7, you can

00:43:28.969 --> 00:43:31.610
only install one copy of Windows on each computer.

00:43:31.789 --> 00:43:34.269
Because once you've installed Windows 7 on one

00:43:34.269 --> 00:43:36.250
computer, if you try and put it on another computer,

00:43:36.610 --> 00:43:38.849
it will say you've got to activate it. So I think

00:43:38.849 --> 00:43:40.889
you have to deactivate it from the other computer

00:43:40.889 --> 00:43:47.050
before you get it on. So I had about 10 different...

00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:50.780
Windows 7 CDs that I bought, each with different

00:43:50.780 --> 00:43:53.340
product keys, because one product key for each

00:43:53.340 --> 00:43:55.519
computer, one product key for each computer.

00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:58.800
Even installed in Windows 8 wasn't plain sailing,

00:43:58.900 --> 00:44:01.000
because Windows 8 was only being sold as an upgrade.

00:44:01.219 --> 00:44:03.760
So you had to install Windows 7 first and then

00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:06.420
do the upgrade CD for Windows 8. But it's the

00:44:06.420 --> 00:44:09.199
same thing. One product key, one copy of Windows

00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:11.880
for one computer. So if you've got four computers,

00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:14.179
you have to buy four different CDs of Windows,

00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:16.340
each with different products. They've all got

00:44:16.340 --> 00:44:19.340
different products. keys it's one product key

00:44:19.340 --> 00:44:21.480
for one computer and you have to activate it

00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:28.559
or the desktop goes black and you you don't you'll

00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:30.500
keep getting reminders to restart it becomes

00:44:30.500 --> 00:44:33.219
more unfunctional the more you use it past the

00:44:33.219 --> 00:44:36.719
unactivate you get a free trial to use it for

00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:39.440
so many weeks or days and after that it deactivates

00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:44.179
you know window Yeah, yeah, it's bad. With Windows

00:44:44.179 --> 00:44:46.500
XP and that, you had to put the CD key in before

00:44:46.500 --> 00:44:50.559
you even installed it. Yeah, before you installed

00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:55.119
it. And how do you feel about the freedom that

00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:58.260
you get with open source, right? Because you

00:44:58.260 --> 00:45:00.960
can install an operating system, no restrictions.

00:45:01.340 --> 00:45:02.380
But we've got open source on Windows. Firefox

00:45:02.380 --> 00:45:05.880
is open source, isn't it? Firefox? It is, I think.

00:45:05.940 --> 00:45:07.829
It's open source on Windows, haven't you? But

00:45:07.829 --> 00:45:10.610
Windows is not open source. That's it. It's not.

00:45:11.230 --> 00:45:14.730
No, no. On Linux, how do you feel on Linux with

00:45:14.730 --> 00:45:16.690
the freedom that you get, that you can install

00:45:16.690 --> 00:45:19.630
whatever you want, no issues, no restrictions,

00:45:19.849 --> 00:45:23.230
no license keys? Well, to a certain extent. I

00:45:23.230 --> 00:45:25.610
mean, if you were using Ubuntu, Ubuntu comes

00:45:25.610 --> 00:45:28.130
bundled with snaps. Now, if you uninstall the

00:45:28.130 --> 00:45:31.110
snap, you'll break your operating system. I know

00:45:31.110 --> 00:45:33.989
because I've done it. And Fedora comes bundled

00:45:33.989 --> 00:45:37.650
with... flat packs the same way that Ubuntu comes

00:45:37.650 --> 00:45:39.730
with Snap. So if you uninstall flat packs on

00:45:39.730 --> 00:45:42.510
Fedora, it also breaks. And if you install the

00:45:42.510 --> 00:45:44.469
software centers, even when you've uninstalled

00:45:44.469 --> 00:45:46.570
flat pack, when you install the software center,

00:45:46.829 --> 00:45:49.030
it puts the flat pack back on. It puts it back

00:45:49.030 --> 00:45:50.510
on the operating system, doesn't it? It puts

00:45:50.510 --> 00:45:51.889
the flat pack back on the operating system. But

00:45:51.889 --> 00:45:54.110
I mean, I thought Fedora was going to be for

00:45:54.110 --> 00:45:56.010
new users. They would have probably been fine

00:45:56.010 --> 00:45:58.309
if they'd run it on the same lines as Fedora

00:45:58.309 --> 00:46:04.460
41. But Fedora 43 is Wayland only. Maybe they've

00:46:04.460 --> 00:46:07.320
taken a lot of the X11 out of the other desktops

00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:09.320
as well, even though they are X11. Maybe that's

00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:10.900
why none of the other desktops work. What do

00:46:10.900 --> 00:46:13.420
you think? What is wrong with Fedora 43? Why

00:46:13.420 --> 00:46:15.760
is it that everything I've tried on Fedora 43,

00:46:16.059 --> 00:46:18.920
nothing works? The menu editors don't work. Menu

00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:21.460
Libre doesn't work. Alucard doesn't work. The

00:46:21.460 --> 00:46:24.139
package managers don't work. And even Discover

00:46:24.139 --> 00:46:25.880
doesn't work. You saw when I was clicking on

00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:28.239
Discover, I was clicking on the software that

00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:29.940
I wanted to take a look at, supposed to show

00:46:29.940 --> 00:46:32.559
you it. And it doesn't. So why is it everything

00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:36.239
is broken in Fedora 43? I don't understand that.

00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:40.559
Do you? I don't. I don't use Fedora. Well, let

00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:44.980
me tell you a secret. I use macOS. Have you ever

00:46:44.980 --> 00:46:49.099
used macOS? No. I wouldn't know macOS if I saw

00:46:49.099 --> 00:46:51.639
it. I wouldn't know macOS if someone put it in

00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:53.679
front of me. I don't even know what macOS looks

00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:56.400
like. I do know that a MacBook is very expensive,

00:46:56.679 --> 00:47:01.829
£2 ,000. which I can't afford. When you install

00:47:01.829 --> 00:47:04.250
Mac OS, do you install it? I don't think you

00:47:04.250 --> 00:47:06.429
can buy the CDs. I think you have to use it from

00:47:06.429 --> 00:47:08.250
the MacBook. You can't even install it yourself,

00:47:08.409 --> 00:47:11.150
can you? So if you wipe the drive, then I don't

00:47:11.150 --> 00:47:13.050
think you can install it. They don't do Mac CDs,

00:47:13.250 --> 00:47:16.170
do they? Like Windows CDs, do they? If you wipe

00:47:16.170 --> 00:47:20.530
the drive, you can reinstall. How do you reinstall

00:47:20.530 --> 00:47:23.510
it? Yeah, I have reinstalled it. I used to do

00:47:23.510 --> 00:47:25.489
Windows many times, nuke my operating system

00:47:25.489 --> 00:47:27.429
when I was experimenting, and with Linux. You

00:47:27.429 --> 00:47:29.690
know, how do you reinstall Mac if that happens,

00:47:29.750 --> 00:47:32.190
if you nuke your operating system? Yeah, yeah.

00:47:32.449 --> 00:47:35.409
You don't nuke it that often, you know, because

00:47:35.409 --> 00:47:38.570
I don't play around with it. I don't know what

00:47:38.570 --> 00:47:40.730
Mac OS looks like. I haven't got a clue how you

00:47:40.730 --> 00:47:43.110
use it. I've heard they've got more restrictions

00:47:43.110 --> 00:47:46.090
on Mac than Windows. And it's not free. And I

00:47:46.090 --> 00:47:48.230
think you've got the same as Windows restrictions

00:47:48.230 --> 00:47:51.889
on a computer. But, I mean, Mac is very expensive.

00:47:52.070 --> 00:47:54.929
A MacBook is £2 ,000. You can't install macOS

00:47:54.929 --> 00:47:59.369
on a Windows computer and that. And you still

00:47:59.369 --> 00:48:01.570
have to pay to use macOS. It's not free like

00:48:01.570 --> 00:48:05.449
Linux, is it? I mean, macOS is a lot. MacBooks

00:48:05.449 --> 00:48:06.869
are a lot of money. That can only be installed

00:48:06.869 --> 00:48:10.840
on MacBooks. I haven't got the money, have I,

00:48:10.900 --> 00:48:13.599
for that? It's too expensive. Unless you buy

00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:16.760
a used computer. The last one... But I wouldn't

00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:18.400
know how to use it. I mean, why would I want

00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:21.179
to use macOS? I think it's probably worse than

00:48:21.179 --> 00:48:23.039
Windows. Aren't there more restrictions? I don't

00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:25.260
even know what macOS looks like anywhere or how

00:48:25.260 --> 00:48:27.320
to use it. I don't know how to use it. Let me

00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:30.000
show you macOS real quick. What does it look

00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.019
like? Does it have a start menu or what? What

00:48:32.019 --> 00:48:34.760
does it look like? This is the way that I use

00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:38.159
it. This is the way. But I spend... What does

00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:41.789
a desktop look like? The desktop? Where's the

00:48:41.789 --> 00:48:44.489
start menu? That's not the desktop. I don't know

00:48:44.489 --> 00:48:45.949
if you can boot to the desktop, but what does

00:48:45.949 --> 00:48:48.909
the start menu look like? Oh, it doesn't... What

00:48:48.909 --> 00:48:51.269
sort of start menu do you get? Is it like GNOME?

00:48:51.269 --> 00:48:53.969
Is it like Windows 8 or Windows 7 or what? What

00:48:53.969 --> 00:48:57.630
do you get? You get the bar. It's either. I think

00:48:57.630 --> 00:49:00.730
you don't... You get a bar here at the bottom.

00:49:00.730 --> 00:49:03.170
Somebody said you don't get a start menu or anything,

00:49:03.309 --> 00:49:05.530
just a desktop and a dock and you don't get nothing

00:49:05.530 --> 00:49:08.400
else. Is that right? Yeah, correct. You get the

00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.320
bar here at the bottom. The elementary OS is

00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:13.199
something like that, which is why I don't like

00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:16.340
elementary OS either. I think you can click here.

00:49:16.539 --> 00:49:19.559
I don't use this. No, that looks like the GNOME

00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:22.300
desktop. Are you sure that's not the GNOME desktop?

00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:24.860
That looks like the GNOME desktop to me. Oh,

00:49:24.860 --> 00:49:28.880
really? That looks like GNOME. Yeah. GNOME desktop

00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:32.199
looks like that, doesn't it? GNOME 47 looks...

00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:35.000
GNOME 40... GNOME looks like that. That's what

00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:37.679
main GNOME looks like. It's got a start menu

00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:41.139
like that, but I think GNOME's a bit more user

00:49:41.139 --> 00:49:42.760
-friendly, and you've got the start menu at the

00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:44.739
top, haven't you, and the extensions. You haven't

00:49:44.739 --> 00:49:48.980
got that there, have you, on Mac? Yeah. You don't

00:49:48.980 --> 00:49:51.420
have, like, a start menu. You have that at the

00:49:51.420 --> 00:49:53.539
bottom. I use my Mac. Well, you know, the app

00:49:53.539 --> 00:49:55.679
menu is the start menu, apparently, isn't it?

00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:58.760
Yeah, there's no start menu on Mac, I think.

00:49:58.860 --> 00:50:01.420
You get this little thing to launch applications.

00:50:01.420 --> 00:50:03.079
You wouldn't think I'd like it, to be honest.

00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:06.599
No, if you're used to Linux, you're not going

00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:10.039
to like Mac too much. Well, I'm a Windows user.

00:50:10.139 --> 00:50:13.280
I was a Windows XP and Windows 7 user, so a Windows

00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:15.920
XP and Windows 7 user wouldn't really want a

00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:18.539
start menu like that. I know I wouldn't. Let

00:50:18.539 --> 00:50:20.900
me ask you something. Like Windows 8 for the

00:50:20.900 --> 00:50:23.679
same reason and Windows 11, it doesn't have the

00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:25.900
traditional start menu that Windows 7 and Windows

00:50:25.900 --> 00:50:28.820
XP and Windows 50 used to have. Windows Vista

00:50:28.820 --> 00:50:31.119
was a beautiful operating system, even though

00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:32.780
people complained about it. I thought Windows

00:50:32.780 --> 00:50:35.139
Vista was beautiful. I had it on one of my laptops.

00:50:35.539 --> 00:50:38.539
I loved the green folders. It was beautiful.

00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:43.119
But, I mean, well, I mean, you could make Windows

00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:45.780
7 look like that. But I don't think Microsoft

00:50:45.780 --> 00:50:47.619
should have started Windows 8. I think they should

00:50:47.619 --> 00:50:49.659
have stopped at Windows 7 and just updated it

00:50:49.659 --> 00:50:51.800
because everybody liked Windows 7. It was what

00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:53.619
everybody understood. And then they changed it.

00:50:53.699 --> 00:50:56.469
They ruined the operating system. Ever since

00:50:56.469 --> 00:50:59.050
Windows 8, Windows is just not the same anymore,

00:50:59.250 --> 00:51:01.869
is it? And now, when I used to say it was wonderful

00:51:01.869 --> 00:51:03.829
that you didn't have to log in with a password,

00:51:04.010 --> 00:51:05.809
you just log in and you didn't have to have a

00:51:05.809 --> 00:51:08.050
password to do anything on Windows, well, you

00:51:08.050 --> 00:51:09.750
can't now, you know, because you have to log

00:51:09.750 --> 00:51:11.949
in with a Microsoft account. No Microsoft account,

00:51:12.190 --> 00:51:16.369
you can't get into the desktop. No Microsoft

00:51:16.369 --> 00:51:19.329
account, no desktop. Let me ask you something,

00:51:19.449 --> 00:51:22.849
Andrea. Do you use the terminal a lot on Linux?

00:51:22.949 --> 00:51:26.019
Do you use your terminal? Well, on and off, I

00:51:26.019 --> 00:51:29.300
mean, I do use it occasionally, but I think I

00:51:29.300 --> 00:51:31.679
use it mostly for updating because it's quicker

00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:34.360
and it's good for cleaning, the sudo apt autoclean

00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:38.440
and that. But to do updates, we got Synaptic

00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:40.460
Package Manager on Debian. I mean, when they

00:51:40.460 --> 00:51:42.460
say you don't have an update manager on Debian,

00:51:42.500 --> 00:51:44.860
well, there is GNOME Package Kit with GNOME Package

00:51:44.860 --> 00:51:48.280
Updater, but you don't really need. And I think

00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:50.440
MX Linux and Sparky Linux have got their own

00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:53.920
update management. And Ubuntu have got an update

00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:57.460
manager. But to be honest, if you install Synaptic

00:51:57.460 --> 00:51:59.900
Package Manager, you don't need any of those

00:51:59.900 --> 00:52:02.940
tools because Synaptic Package Manager has got

00:52:02.940 --> 00:52:05.699
an update tool because you just click refresh

00:52:05.699 --> 00:52:08.000
and it updates. So Synaptic Package Manager,

00:52:08.139 --> 00:52:10.699
you can search for software. The only thing is

00:52:10.699 --> 00:52:12.940
the screenshots feature in Synaptic Package does

00:52:12.940 --> 00:52:15.699
not work. And I did profile a bug on the Debian

00:52:15.699 --> 00:52:18.809
website because... With Synaptic Package Manager,

00:52:18.929 --> 00:52:21.110
when you hover over a screenshot, it shows you

00:52:21.110 --> 00:52:23.230
screenshots of the software before you install

00:52:23.230 --> 00:52:25.030
it, as well as the installed software, but it's

00:52:25.030 --> 00:52:27.929
not working because Debian screenshots, where

00:52:27.929 --> 00:52:31.909
the screenshots come from, they use HTTPs, but

00:52:31.909 --> 00:52:34.809
Synaptic hasn't switched to the secure HTTPs.

00:52:34.809 --> 00:52:36.909
It's using HTTP. Well, that's what it said on

00:52:36.909 --> 00:52:39.809
the Ubuntu website, if you Google it. But, you

00:52:39.809 --> 00:52:41.869
know, Synaptic Package Manager works, but at

00:52:41.869 --> 00:52:43.909
the moment we can't use screenshots because of

00:52:43.909 --> 00:52:46.570
that. If you've got Synaptic Package Manager,

00:52:46.750 --> 00:52:49.809
that's all you really need because you can update

00:52:49.809 --> 00:52:52.309
your... It's a graphical package manager for

00:52:52.309 --> 00:52:54.449
Debian and Ubuntu users where you update your

00:52:54.449 --> 00:52:58.730
software, install software. And the good thing

00:52:58.730 --> 00:53:00.510
about Synaptic, it will tell you what's going

00:53:00.510 --> 00:53:02.269
to be installed and tell you what's going to

00:53:02.269 --> 00:53:04.670
be uninstalled before you do anything. But if

00:53:04.670 --> 00:53:07.090
you're using Gnome Software Center or Plasma

00:53:07.090 --> 00:53:09.829
Discover, it doesn't. So if you want to uninstall

00:53:09.829 --> 00:53:13.280
something from... gnome software or plasma discover

00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:15.780
you can end up installing something and it could

00:53:15.780 --> 00:53:17.599
uninstall your whole desktop because it won't

00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:19.500
warn you what it's it won't tell you what it's

00:53:19.500 --> 00:53:22.079
going to uninstall until it's too late and you've

00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:26.000
installed it and you but the only software center

00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:28.840
i would recommend i mean a lot of people like

00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:31.519
a graphical software center so they find synaptic

00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:35.159
uh you know Although it's not really true that

00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:37.500
you have to go through a list of things. I mean,

00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:39.920
you have to do the same in a software centre.

00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:42.519
But some people like a software centre with lots

00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:45.099
of pictures, a bit like a glossy magazine. Well,

00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:46.780
if they're going to go for a software centre,

00:53:46.900 --> 00:53:49.659
I would go for the Mint software centre. You

00:53:49.659 --> 00:53:51.659
know, the Mint software centre is the closest

00:53:51.659 --> 00:53:55.170
thing to Synaptic. But unlike Synaptic... You

00:53:55.170 --> 00:53:57.750
know, it's a software center as well. So you've

00:53:57.750 --> 00:53:59.949
got lots and lots of screenshots and pictures

00:53:59.949 --> 00:54:03.449
which come from Linux Mint. And just about everything's

00:54:03.449 --> 00:54:05.469
got a screenshot. Most of them have got screenshots.

00:54:05.909 --> 00:54:10.010
And you can't install updates with Mint Software

00:54:10.010 --> 00:54:12.630
Center. Because with GNOME Software Center and

00:54:12.630 --> 00:54:14.769
Plasma Discover, you can install updates. But

00:54:14.769 --> 00:54:17.090
with Mint Software Center, it doesn't install

00:54:17.090 --> 00:54:20.389
updates. It's for installing and removing software

00:54:20.389 --> 00:54:23.360
and for searching for software. The Mint Software

00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:26.039
Center, unlike known software, when you install

00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:28.139
the software from the Linux Mint Software Center,

00:54:28.260 --> 00:54:30.400
which is what I've got on my system, it'll tell

00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:32.360
you what's going to be installed exactly like

00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:34.619
Synaptic tells you. It'll tell you what's going

00:54:34.619 --> 00:54:37.239
to be removed when you remove something. And

00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:39.679
you can even install desktop environments with

00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:43.139
what it's called in software. And, you know,

00:54:43.260 --> 00:54:46.659
it's like Synaptic, except it's graphical and

00:54:46.659 --> 00:54:50.730
in pictures. I think that's what attracts more

00:54:50.730 --> 00:54:53.150
users. Although maybe it doesn't do as much as

00:54:53.150 --> 00:54:56.190
synaptic and it doesn't update and it doesn't

00:54:56.190 --> 00:55:00.050
tell you history. But also, I've only got dev

00:55:00.050 --> 00:55:02.110
packages on my system. I don't have snaps and

00:55:02.110 --> 00:55:04.090
flat packs. So the Mint Software Center just

00:55:04.090 --> 00:55:06.510
has dev packages. But if you want to install

00:55:06.510 --> 00:55:10.579
flat packs, you know. You know, it'll show you

00:55:10.579 --> 00:55:12.860
all the Flatpaks you've got installed. And if

00:55:12.860 --> 00:55:15.559
you click where it says show unverified Flatpaks,

00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:17.940
if you've enabled the Fedora Flatpak repository

00:55:17.940 --> 00:55:20.820
or the unofficial Flatpak repositories like GNOME

00:55:20.820 --> 00:55:23.039
and that, it'll show you those as well. It'll

00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:25.599
show you all the Flatpak repositories. So the

00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:27.940
Mint Software Center will show you all your Flatpak

00:55:27.940 --> 00:55:30.639
packages if you have Flatpak installed. If you've

00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:32.280
only got devs, then obviously it won't. It'll

00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:34.849
be just devs. And it will show you your dev package,

00:55:34.889 --> 00:55:37.530
isn't it? It works similar to Synaptic, very,

00:55:37.610 --> 00:55:39.849
very similar in that it will tell you what's

00:55:39.849 --> 00:55:41.590
going to be removed before you remove it. It

00:55:41.590 --> 00:55:42.909
will tell you what's going to be uninstalled

00:55:42.909 --> 00:55:46.610
before you uninstall it. So you always know what

00:55:46.610 --> 00:55:51.429
you're doing. And I've installed several software

00:55:51.429 --> 00:55:53.449
on Debian with Mint Software Center, and I've

00:55:53.449 --> 00:55:56.449
not had any problems. It works properly. You

00:55:56.449 --> 00:55:58.849
know, I mean, Synaptic Package Manager goes one

00:55:58.849 --> 00:56:01.110
step further and I think it uninstalls leftover

00:56:01.110 --> 00:56:04.050
software that's auto -removable, isn't it? So

00:56:04.050 --> 00:56:08.210
would you say to new Linux users, would you say

00:56:08.210 --> 00:56:12.090
that you have to be a terminal expert to use

00:56:12.090 --> 00:56:14.369
Linux or you don't need the terminal at all?

00:56:14.590 --> 00:56:18.289
I'm not, so I know that I'm not, that's for sure.

00:56:18.670 --> 00:56:22.869
Okay, so anyone can use Linux, basically, right?

00:56:35.969 --> 00:56:38.369
Yeah, I mean, you have to make compromises. One

00:56:38.369 --> 00:56:40.530
of the compromises I've made was I had to have

00:56:40.530 --> 00:56:42.809
a password because on Windows 7, I could just

00:56:42.809 --> 00:56:45.889
log in and do things without a password. But

00:56:45.889 --> 00:56:47.929
Linux, you have to have a password, but there's

00:56:47.929 --> 00:56:50.050
a way around it. Just put a one -letter password

00:56:50.050 --> 00:56:52.070
or a two -letter password and you're never going

00:56:52.070 --> 00:56:53.889
to forget. So it was easy to get around the path.

00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:56.159
They're not strict about it on Debian and Ubuntu.

00:56:56.440 --> 00:56:58.860
Oh, on Fedora, that's another thing with Fedora

00:56:58.860 --> 00:57:02.599
43. When I tried to put my two -letter password

00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:05.219
in, it said store the password not long enough.

00:57:05.300 --> 00:57:07.280
So you know what I had to do? Once Fedora was

00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:10.260
installed, I changed my password. How you do

00:57:10.260 --> 00:57:13.480
that? My username was Anne, so I put sudo password

00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:16.500
Anne in the terminal, enter the old password,

00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:19.219
and then I changed it with my two -letter password,

00:57:19.340 --> 00:57:21.820
and that's how I got it. I always enabled a root

00:57:21.820 --> 00:57:24.519
account as well so that I can, Because when you

00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:26.480
edit files, you have to do it as administrator,

00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:28.539
which the root account is like the administrator

00:57:28.539 --> 00:57:34.000
account. But it's best to set up as a user account,

00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:36.000
then enable the root account when you get in

00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:38.119
there. Because if you set up as root, then you've

00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:40.019
got a problem adding yourself to the sudoers

00:57:40.019 --> 00:57:42.559
file and installing sudo. So don't go there.

00:57:42.900 --> 00:57:47.550
Now, I have a question for you as well. You mentioned

00:57:47.550 --> 00:57:51.010
edit files. What do you use to edit files? Have

00:57:51.010 --> 00:57:55.010
you heard about these? Say I download wallpapers

00:57:55.010 --> 00:57:57.289
from the internet and I want to put them in my

00:57:57.289 --> 00:58:01.530
backgrounds folder, which you can only do if

00:58:01.530 --> 00:58:05.880
you're root. So I open USR sharer's root. And

00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:08.340
so I can copy the wallpapers or the pictures

00:58:08.340 --> 00:58:11.239
and put them in the backgrounds folder as wallpapers.

00:58:11.500 --> 00:58:14.880
Or sometimes I want to use my wallpapers from

00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:18.519
Linux Mint that I didn't install as dev files.

00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:22.300
Or sometimes when I download app images and I

00:58:22.300 --> 00:58:24.360
want to put them in my programs folder, user

00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:27.099
share, instead of in my home folder. To do that,

00:58:27.099 --> 00:58:31.150
you have to be root. So open as root. And then

00:58:31.150 --> 00:58:34.769
copy the app image and put into the user share

00:58:34.769 --> 00:58:40.130
folder. And then it's treated as a program. I

00:58:40.130 --> 00:58:43.750
do that, yeah. And then sometimes creating a

00:58:43.750 --> 00:58:46.110
desktop shortcut to put in user share applications.

00:58:46.110 --> 00:58:48.110
So it appears on the start menu. So you don't

00:58:48.110 --> 00:58:50.030
have to edit the start menu. You have to open

00:58:50.030 --> 00:58:53.690
as root for that. And have you heard about NeoVim

00:58:53.690 --> 00:58:56.630
or Emacs to edit stuff? Have you heard about

00:58:56.630 --> 00:58:58.510
those tools? I didn't install Vim, didn't know

00:58:58.510 --> 00:59:03.929
how to use it. What do you think about Vim? Couldn't

00:59:03.929 --> 00:59:05.769
use it, didn't know how to use it, uninstalled

00:59:05.769 --> 00:59:09.809
it. So what do you use in the terminal if you

00:59:09.809 --> 00:59:13.840
need to edit a file in the terminal? Well, Nano

00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:16.800
is useless. I soon found out that Nano doesn't

00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:18.980
have to be installed because on Ubuntu and Debian,

00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:23.000
you've got two terminal editors. You've got Vim

00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:26.219
Tiny. That's not the full Vim. It's like the

00:59:26.219 --> 00:59:29.440
old V, which is like Nano, and you've got Nano.

00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:32.400
And couldn't use Nano at all. Tried with the

00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:35.219
keyboard, couldn't. I soon found out that I could

00:59:35.219 --> 00:59:37.480
uninstall it a few weeks ago because Nano's not

00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:39.900
part of the operating system, so I did. And I

00:59:39.900 --> 00:59:43.079
installed, what did I use? It's called any text

00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:46.099
editor, nice text editor, where you can use it

00:59:46.099 --> 00:59:48.800
with the keyboard. But the one that's most friendly

00:59:48.800 --> 00:59:51.019
you can use with your mouse is called Microsoft

00:59:51.019 --> 00:59:54.300
Edit, MS Edit. You can use it with your mouse

00:59:54.300 --> 00:59:57.800
in the terminal. But then again, I don't edit

00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:00.059
files in the terminal because it's easy to make

01:00:00.059 --> 01:00:03.179
a mistake. Even when you're using Microsoft Edit,

01:00:03.260 --> 01:00:05.880
where you can move your mouse up and down where

01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:09.219
the text is in the terminal. It's easy to make

01:00:09.219 --> 01:00:12.099
a mistake. When I edit files, say I want to,

01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:14.280
when I was adding the repositories to upgrade

01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:17.219
to Debian SID, it involves editing the repositories,

01:00:17.219 --> 01:00:19.400
the text files, doesn't it? So what I did was

01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:22.980
I went into ECT, open as root, and then I opened

01:00:22.980 --> 01:00:26.019
it with gedit or pluma, and then I edited it

01:00:26.019 --> 01:00:28.739
that way. I didn't do it in the terminal. But

01:00:28.739 --> 01:00:30.760
I think there's one thing you have to do in the

01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:33.980
terminal, vsudo, but who edits the pseudos file?

01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:35.699
They advise you not to, so I just leave that

01:00:35.699 --> 01:00:38.300
alone. Who does this? Not going to do that, are

01:00:38.300 --> 01:00:42.980
we? Not going to do that. We have someone sent

01:00:42.980 --> 01:00:46.219
a message in chat. Let me share it with you.

01:00:46.260 --> 01:00:47.579
I'm going to switch to my screen. Not really

01:00:47.579 --> 01:00:50.019
very experienced, to be honest. I mean, I think

01:00:50.019 --> 01:00:52.000
that Linux is a lot like Windows. It seems a

01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:53.880
lot like Windows with its desktop and everything.

01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:57.059
It's so much like Windows 7. I think that's why

01:00:57.059 --> 01:01:00.179
I feel so much at home. I mean, on Linux Mint,

01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:02.159
people feel at home because the desktops are

01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:04.380
so much like Windows 7 if you look at them, don't

01:01:04.380 --> 01:01:07.820
you think? They are, aren't they? Yeah. When

01:01:07.820 --> 01:01:10.639
you look at Mate, it's so much like Windows 7,

01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:13.539
isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Except they're done with

01:01:13.539 --> 01:01:16.679
categories. Similar, you're right. You've just

01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:18.559
got an all -programs menu that you're forever

01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:21.599
scrolling. But a Windows Vista added the search

01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:24.039
bar, which was a step up. We didn't have a search

01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:26.519
bar on Windows XP, did we? Unless we installed

01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:28.880
a launcher or something. We didn't, did we? Yeah.

01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:32.440
Someone sent a message here. It says... Andrea

01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:36.599
Borman is a godsend. She exposed how Apple stole

01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:41.579
their desktop environment. I don't know anything

01:01:41.579 --> 01:01:46.500
about Mac OS. I've never used Mac OS, and I didn't

01:01:46.500 --> 01:01:48.519
even know what Mac OS looked like until you told

01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:51.219
me. I know nothing about Mac OS. I know absolutely

01:01:51.219 --> 01:01:53.840
nothing. So I don't know anything about Apple,

01:01:53.940 --> 01:02:00.940
but I don't know. But you're already above macOS.

01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:04.159
You're on Linux. You're on the GigaChat operating

01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:07.400
system. I'd have to pay to use macOS, wouldn't

01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:11.539
I? It's not free. Download it. You've got to

01:02:11.539 --> 01:02:14.400
pay for it. It's not free. Yeah, no, it's not

01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:16.300
free. So you're already good. You're good with

01:02:16.300 --> 01:02:19.860
Linux. So you didn't like Vim. Did you ever try

01:02:19.860 --> 01:02:22.639
to use Vim? I couldn't use it, could I? Well,

01:02:22.659 --> 01:02:28.519
there is something called VimGTK. There's a GTK

01:02:28.519 --> 01:02:30.579
version of BIM, but that's really just a link

01:02:30.579 --> 01:02:32.760
to the terminal. You can install the GTK version

01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:35.400
of BIM, but you still have to know how to use

01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:38.500
it. I mean, really, if you want a text editor,

01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:41.800
all you really need is like a Notepad style text

01:02:41.800 --> 01:02:43.840
editor like we had on Windows, because if we

01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:47.000
needed to edit system files on Windows 7, we

01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:50.179
use something called Notepad, you know. And Notepad

01:02:50.179 --> 01:02:54.889
was for creating like... rich text document so

01:02:54.889 --> 01:02:57.289
if you're going to edit a text file all you have

01:02:57.289 --> 01:03:01.750
to do is install gedit or you can install leafpad

01:03:01.750 --> 01:03:06.150
not the old leafpad but l3a pad or pluma or mousepad

01:03:06.150 --> 01:03:09.170
and you edit with one of those on they also have

01:03:09.170 --> 01:03:11.889
some on linux mint they have zed which does the

01:03:11.889 --> 01:03:14.489
same thing you can install that as well as gedit

01:03:14.489 --> 01:03:16.510
so that's all you really need if you want to

01:03:16.510 --> 01:03:18.789
edit the files and just open it as root and edit

01:03:18.789 --> 01:03:21.630
the file you don't really need them to edit simple

01:03:22.420 --> 01:03:25.019
program files or repositories of that, do you?

01:03:25.059 --> 01:03:27.699
I don't think so. Yeah, you reminded me of a

01:03:27.699 --> 01:03:31.400
friend. His name is Drew and he has a YouTube

01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:35.300
channel. He's just a Linux guy, but he uses this

01:03:35.300 --> 01:03:38.480
editor called Genie. Have you heard about that?

01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:41.619
I'm more for creating fancy documents. Well,

01:03:41.679 --> 01:03:43.480
I mean, what about Abbey Word? You can create

01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:46.940
a document with Abbey Word. Well, I mean, if

01:03:46.940 --> 01:03:49.219
you want something more fancy and more featured,

01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:52.500
install LibreOffice. LibreOffice has everything.

01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:57.380
Well, there's another one I've got on my system

01:03:57.380 --> 01:03:59.960
on Glow and Blast, but only Office Desktop Editors.

01:03:59.960 --> 01:04:02.119
Not the Flatpak version, the dev version, because

01:04:02.119 --> 01:04:04.840
I added the repository. Only Office Desktop Editors

01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:08.360
is a lightweight version of Office. I did a video

01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:11.119
on OpenOffice, but OpenOffice has not been updated

01:04:11.119 --> 01:04:13.659
for about a year, so I've decided to give that

01:04:13.659 --> 01:04:17.119
a miss. Only Office desktop editors or Libra.

01:04:17.559 --> 01:04:20.579
Well, the best way to get Libra Office on Debian

01:04:20.579 --> 01:04:22.519
is because there are a few versions behind, is

01:04:22.519 --> 01:04:24.420
to download it from the website, although that

01:04:24.420 --> 01:04:26.619
does mean downloading a lot of dev files. But

01:04:26.619 --> 01:04:29.239
another way to get Libra Office on Debian, there's

01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:31.300
an app image version of Libra Office. You can

01:04:31.300 --> 01:04:34.360
just install that and download the app image

01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:36.420
version of Libra Office, and you just run the

01:04:36.420 --> 01:04:38.219
app image, and it's all there. You can do that

01:04:38.219 --> 01:04:45.670
on Debian. I mean, most of the software that

01:04:45.670 --> 01:04:47.889
you get on snaps and flatpaks, like web browsers,

01:04:48.070 --> 01:04:51.369
you can just download the updated dev file from

01:04:51.369 --> 01:04:54.570
the website or download the app image. Because,

01:04:54.610 --> 01:04:58.090
as we know, Debian and Ubuntu tend to use the

01:04:58.090 --> 01:05:01.670
ESR version, Firefox ESR, isn't it? But, I mean,

01:05:01.710 --> 01:05:04.190
even if I was installing Firefox ESR, I would

01:05:04.190 --> 01:05:06.030
just get it from the Firefox website. Because

01:05:06.030 --> 01:05:07.789
how do you know the dev version is the up -to

01:05:07.789 --> 01:05:09.650
-date? The Debian version is the up -to -date

01:05:09.650 --> 01:05:12.070
version. I mean, say you're using Debian 11 or

01:05:12.070 --> 01:05:14.349
Debian 12. It won't be the same version as Debian

01:05:14.349 --> 01:05:19.090
13, will it? I don't think so. Maybe their web

01:05:19.090 --> 01:05:21.329
browsers are different. I don't know. But I'm

01:05:21.329 --> 01:05:24.590
not using Debian 12 or Debian 11. Well, I mean,

01:05:24.610 --> 01:05:28.300
why do you think people use it? Well, I mean,

01:05:28.300 --> 01:05:31.219
some people prefer the GNOME 3 to the GNOME 4,

01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:33.079
because I've noticed with GNOME, each time they

01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:35.219
bring out a new version, they take more features

01:05:35.219 --> 01:05:37.400
away, don't they, with GNOME, with main GNOME?

01:05:37.400 --> 01:05:39.579
Not with GNOME Flashback, would be lame. But

01:05:39.579 --> 01:05:42.079
there's two versions of GNOME, isn't there? There's

01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:44.139
main GNOME, which is like the Windows 8 start

01:05:44.139 --> 01:05:46.449
menu, and there's GNOME Flashback. If you're

01:05:46.449 --> 01:05:48.510
going to use, why not GNOME Flashback? I mean,

01:05:48.570 --> 01:05:52.789
it is GNOME 48, isn't it? Or GNOME 49. It's that

01:05:52.789 --> 01:05:54.670
you've got the more traditional desktop, like

01:05:54.670 --> 01:05:57.269
Marte. You haven't got the app. I mean, when

01:05:57.269 --> 01:05:59.349
you think about it, with Windows 8, the reason

01:05:59.349 --> 01:06:01.469
why my Windows 8 was running slow is because

01:06:01.469 --> 01:06:03.769
I was adding things to it, like Classic Shell.

01:06:03.909 --> 01:06:05.929
You've heard of Classic Shell or Open Shell to

01:06:05.929 --> 01:06:09.309
get the Windows 7 start menu. Oh, no. I never

01:06:09.309 --> 01:06:11.869
tried it. Because you don't get a start menu

01:06:11.869 --> 01:06:13.929
on Windows 8. You have to add something called

01:06:13.929 --> 01:06:18.360
Start A or Start Up. or start menu, is it, or

01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:22.039
classic shell to get the Windows 7 start menu

01:06:22.039 --> 01:06:24.500
and other things in order to disable that horrible

01:06:24.500 --> 01:06:26.820
ribbon toolbar. But when you've done all that,

01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:29.059
you're slowing Windows down. Each time you add

01:06:29.059 --> 01:06:31.679
on, you've still got the Metro theme running

01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:33.219
in the background and you're slowing it down.

01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:35.599
It's the sort of same, well, maybe it's not the

01:06:35.599 --> 01:06:37.119
same with GNOME, but if you're going to be adding

01:06:37.119 --> 01:06:39.579
things like extensions to get the start menu,

01:06:39.780 --> 01:06:41.900
extensions for this and extensions for that.

01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:44.880
Why not just install, because you want the Windows

01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:48.039
-style start menu, why not just go for a desktop

01:06:48.039 --> 01:06:50.780
that already has that, like Cinnamon, Marte,

01:06:50.780 --> 01:06:53.860
or GNOME Flashback? If you like GNOME, but GNOME

01:06:53.860 --> 01:06:55.900
Flashback is better than main GNOME, because

01:06:55.900 --> 01:06:57.920
you know that Ubuntu used to come with GNOME

01:06:57.920 --> 01:07:00.179
2, which was similar to GNOME. Well, GNOME Flashback's

01:07:00.179 --> 01:07:02.079
not exactly the same as GNOME 2, because the

01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:04.039
original GNOME 2 had more features. It was more

01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:07.409
like Marte, wasn't it? Yeah. The original Ubuntu

01:07:07.409 --> 01:07:10.250
used to come with GNOME 2. When Ubuntu first

01:07:10.250 --> 01:07:12.190
came out, it came with GNOME 2 before they switched

01:07:12.190 --> 01:07:17.090
to Unity, and that was better. Have you heard

01:07:17.090 --> 01:07:22.110
about this other distro? I don't like Unity either.

01:07:22.150 --> 01:07:24.110
That was harder to use than GNOME, because you

01:07:24.110 --> 01:07:27.400
have to do everything with the search bar. icons

01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:29.260
on the desktop, but you didn't even have an app

01:07:29.260 --> 01:07:32.000
menu. Something called a classic menu indicator

01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:34.000
that you could install in pre -good version of

01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:36.059
Unity doesn't work in the latest version of Unity,

01:07:36.179 --> 01:07:38.659
so you had to do it. You had to find your apps

01:07:38.659 --> 01:07:40.659
from the start from the search bar in Unity,

01:07:40.719 --> 01:07:43.719
and it doesn't even show all of them up. But

01:07:43.719 --> 01:07:46.480
at least in GNOME, it finds everything in the

01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:49.260
app menu, and you can search for extensions in

01:07:49.260 --> 01:07:51.519
that in the search bar, but Unity is harder to

01:07:51.519 --> 01:07:53.500
use than main GNOME, isn't it? To be honest,

01:07:53.679 --> 01:07:57.050
it is. Have you? Have you heard about this other

01:07:57.050 --> 01:08:00.949
distro that is called Nix and that brought an

01:08:00.949 --> 01:08:03.909
epidemic of furries? That's very complicated.

01:08:03.969 --> 01:08:06.150
That would be nothing like Debian and Arch. I've

01:08:06.150 --> 01:08:08.789
not tried that. I've not attempted that. That

01:08:08.789 --> 01:08:12.889
is very complicated. It isn't anything like Fedora,

01:08:12.889 --> 01:08:15.610
even Fedora, is it? It's not. No. Well, Fedora

01:08:15.610 --> 01:08:17.569
would be all right. They just fix their packages.

01:08:17.649 --> 01:08:21.439
I mean... Some people prefer RPM to app. Why

01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:23.819
is that? What's the advantage in RPM over app?

01:08:23.960 --> 01:08:25.800
Can you tell me? Because I can't see it myself.

01:08:26.300 --> 01:08:30.739
I have no idea. I think there's more app packages

01:08:30.739 --> 01:08:33.319
and dev packages than what there are with RPMs.

01:08:33.380 --> 01:08:36.020
I mean, I can't see the advantage in using Fedora

01:08:36.020 --> 01:08:38.359
or whatever if you've got like Debian and Ubuntu

01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:40.899
because they have everything, don't they? And

01:08:40.899 --> 01:08:43.439
they just make sure they're up to date, don't

01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:45.800
they? Yeah, and how do you edit? Debian and Ubuntu

01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:48.460
checks everything before it's up to date. I know

01:08:48.460 --> 01:08:50.279
they put stable and they don't always update

01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:53.899
their packages as much as others, but they check

01:08:53.899 --> 01:08:55.680
everything and make sure everything is working

01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:59.539
before it goes in there. I mean, look at the

01:08:59.539 --> 01:09:02.579
NXT desktop on, what is it, Fedora. They've still

01:09:02.579 --> 01:09:06.220
got ClipIt in there and the old leaf pad. Ubuntu

01:09:06.220 --> 01:09:08.939
and Debian removed that ages ago, years ago,

01:09:09.020 --> 01:09:11.300
because ClipIt's no longer being updated and

01:09:11.300 --> 01:09:15.069
neither is leaf pad. The Debian desktop and the

01:09:15.069 --> 01:09:17.569
Ubuntu version of LXD has been replaced with

01:09:17.569 --> 01:09:20.590
Mousepad, and their clipboard manager, I think,

01:09:20.609 --> 01:09:23.210
is Diadon. Well, I don't like Diadon, but I'm

01:09:23.210 --> 01:09:26.449
just saying that Flipit's no longer supported

01:09:26.449 --> 01:09:29.649
those. See, Fedora doesn't... Somebody told me

01:09:29.649 --> 01:09:31.770
that the Fedora spins are not official desktops.

01:09:31.770 --> 01:09:34.090
Is that true? And only the Gnome and KDE is.

01:09:34.109 --> 01:09:37.069
I didn't know that. I have no idea, but I have

01:09:37.069 --> 01:09:38.529
a question for you. They're not working. I didn't

01:09:38.529 --> 01:09:40.090
know that. They're not working. I do know that

01:09:40.090 --> 01:09:44.229
Fedora 43... For Dora 43, I did try the Gnome

01:09:44.229 --> 01:09:50.069
Edition and it had Cockpit, which is a web server.

01:09:50.289 --> 01:09:54.409
Now, who would use Cockpit to a web server or

01:09:54.409 --> 01:09:57.109
web server if they're an ordinary desktop user

01:09:57.109 --> 01:09:59.430
like you and me? I mean, you wouldn't install

01:09:59.430 --> 01:10:02.569
that on Debian or Ubuntu or even on Fitbit. I

01:10:02.569 --> 01:10:04.449
mean, why would you need that if you're just

01:10:04.449 --> 01:10:07.529
using it as an ordinary desktop to do everyday

01:10:07.529 --> 01:10:10.600
things? I'm not running it as a server, am I?

01:10:10.619 --> 01:10:12.840
I mean, apparently you can't uninstall it from

01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:15.760
GNOME. And the installer took ages to install

01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:18.420
because they were using cockpit installer to

01:10:18.420 --> 01:10:21.340
install it. So it took hours to install the GNOME

01:10:21.340 --> 01:10:23.739
edition. And when I installed the GNOME in Fedora

01:10:23.739 --> 01:10:27.359
43, it was Wayland only, which I knew. But I

01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:29.760
tried to use GNOME Flashback. GNOME Flashback

01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:37.300
and X11 installs on Fedora 43. But it doesn't

01:10:37.300 --> 01:10:39.300
run. You can't log into it at all. And even when

01:10:39.300 --> 01:10:41.920
I switch to LightDM, you can't log into GNOME

01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:47.079
Flashback on Fedora 43. So Fedora has blocked

01:10:47.079 --> 01:10:51.180
it. They've blocked all X11 that is GNOME -related.

01:10:51.439 --> 01:10:56.619
So GNOME Flashback installs on Fedora 43, but

01:10:56.619 --> 01:11:01.600
it doesn't... Hey, Andrea, how do you edit your...

01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:05.560
The good news is on the bundle 25... Although

01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:11.000
it's Wayland only, Ubuntu is GNOME 49 but Wayland

01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:15.100
only in 25 .10, but you can log into GNOME Flashback

01:11:15.100 --> 01:11:16.979
and use it, as you saw in my video. So I could

01:11:16.979 --> 01:11:20.199
get rid of the GNOME Wayland only and use the

01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:22.420
GNOME Flashback, but I don't want to use Ubuntu

01:11:22.420 --> 01:11:27.720
25 .10. It's only paper, isn't it? It's slightly

01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:29.819
better, I think. Maybe the LTS will be better.

01:11:30.380 --> 01:11:33.659
How do you edit your videos on Linux or you don't

01:11:33.659 --> 01:11:37.100
edit them? I use Simple Screen Recorder. I was

01:11:37.100 --> 01:11:39.359
using Tazam, but sometimes the videos didn't

01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:42.600
come out. I use Simple Screen Recorder and I

01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:46.800
use GUVC view for my desktop or sometimes Keith,

01:11:47.079 --> 01:11:50.659
which is known, Keith. And then I use Shotcut

01:11:50.659 --> 01:11:54.020
Video Editor. I was using OpenShot Video Editor,

01:11:54.119 --> 01:11:56.399
but it stopped working in Debian SID. But as

01:11:56.399 --> 01:11:59.779
I'm using Debian Stable, maybe the app... To

01:11:59.779 --> 01:12:02.300
use the video editors, OpenShot and Shotcut,

01:12:02.340 --> 01:12:04.300
I don't go through the package manager because

01:12:04.300 --> 01:12:06.460
you know what version of OpenShot they've got

01:12:06.460 --> 01:12:11.079
in Debian. They've got 2 .5 .1 or 3 .1 .1 and

01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:13.899
it's very, very old. But the latest version is

01:12:13.899 --> 01:12:17.539
much newer. And the version of Shotcut they've

01:12:17.539 --> 01:12:19.600
got in Debian is also very old and the same in

01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:22.930
Ubuntu. So when I install Shotcut... or open

01:12:22.930 --> 01:12:25.869
shot in debian i just download the app image

01:12:25.869 --> 01:12:27.710
from the website because they've only got the

01:12:27.710 --> 01:12:30.109
app image and with caden live if you go through

01:12:30.109 --> 01:12:32.369
the package manager same problem very old but

01:12:32.369 --> 01:12:34.970
you can get caden live from the website the app

01:12:34.970 --> 01:12:38.670
image you know and with that and even gimp you

01:12:38.670 --> 01:12:41.090
can download the app image so because the debian

01:12:41.090 --> 01:12:43.270
and ubuntu always have the older versions they

01:12:43.270 --> 01:12:47.630
always do for video editors and image editors

01:12:47.630 --> 01:12:50.270
and uh that why that is i don't know but they

01:12:50.270 --> 01:12:54.529
just do Okay, so you use Shotcut then, mainly.

01:12:54.869 --> 01:12:57.090
I use the latest version from the website because

01:12:57.090 --> 01:12:59.609
the Debian version is very old. I use Shotcut

01:12:59.609 --> 01:13:01.829
now because I like it better. I was using OpenShot

01:13:01.829 --> 01:13:04.010
app in it, but when it stopped working in Debian

01:13:04.010 --> 01:13:08.390
SID, I used Shotcut. I might work now on Debian

01:13:08.390 --> 01:13:11.729
stable OpenShot. I'm using Shotcut. I like that

01:13:11.729 --> 01:13:13.550
better. But if you're going to download the video

01:13:13.550 --> 01:13:15.470
editor, download the app images because they're

01:13:15.470 --> 01:13:17.210
newer than the ones you get in Debian and Ubuntu.

01:13:17.350 --> 01:13:19.369
Debian and Ubuntu have got very old packages

01:13:19.369 --> 01:13:22.109
with the video editors. Did you know that? Maybe

01:13:22.109 --> 01:13:24.689
you don't use Debian. What are you using, Debian?

01:13:24.770 --> 01:13:29.149
No. No, I use macOS. But you commented on my

01:13:29.149 --> 01:13:31.090
Linux channel. I thought you was a Linux user

01:13:31.090 --> 01:13:34.210
like me. You're not a Linux user. No, I use Linux.

01:13:34.270 --> 01:13:36.010
You're a Linux user. I thought you was using

01:13:36.010 --> 01:13:40.649
Linux like us. Yeah. I use Linux, but only on

01:13:40.649 --> 01:13:43.609
servers. What version of Linux have you got?

01:13:44.170 --> 01:13:47.529
Oh, let me see. What have you got? I'm going

01:13:47.529 --> 01:13:49.770
to show you right now. Is it virtual machine

01:13:49.770 --> 01:13:51.829
or on a laptop? Virtual machines don't really

01:13:51.829 --> 01:13:56.229
count. No, it's not a virtual machine here. Maybe

01:13:56.229 --> 01:14:01.210
you can see it there. So it is Debian 12 Bookworm.

01:14:01.210 --> 01:14:02.949
Well, that's an old version. You need to update.

01:14:03.109 --> 01:14:05.210
That's old stable. You need to upgrade now. You

01:14:05.210 --> 01:14:07.369
need to upgrade to Debian Trixie. Why haven't

01:14:07.369 --> 01:14:10.260
you upgraded it? Oh, because they're just my...

01:14:10.260 --> 01:14:13.819
Debian Trixie. Yeah. It's Debian 13 now. Debian

01:14:13.819 --> 01:14:16.439
13 is the new stable. That is old, old. Debian

01:14:16.439 --> 01:14:20.199
Bookworm is old, old stable now. Yeah. It's in

01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:24.199
my plans, but I haven't had the time. Well, don't

01:14:24.199 --> 01:14:26.000
worry. You'll still get updates because they're

01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:28.399
still supporting Debian 11 and Debian 12, but

01:14:28.399 --> 01:14:30.159
you won't get as many updates as what you'll

01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:33.520
get with Debian 13. The latest version is now

01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:36.439
Debian 13, Debian Trixie, if you want to go and

01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:39.449
get it from the website. Yeah, yeah, I will.

01:14:39.710 --> 01:14:42.649
You'll get newer software. You see, I've not

01:14:42.649 --> 01:14:45.409
found it. What's good about this version of Debian

01:14:45.409 --> 01:14:48.069
is that with Debian Bookworm, the software was

01:14:48.069 --> 01:14:51.170
slightly older, even when it first came out.

01:14:51.289 --> 01:14:53.550
But with Debian Tripsy, most of the packages

01:14:53.550 --> 01:14:55.529
are the same as what you've got on Debian SIG.

01:14:55.550 --> 01:14:57.670
Because when I looked on Debian SIG, they've

01:14:57.670 --> 01:15:00.010
got the same versions, mostly. Most of them are,

01:15:00.029 --> 01:15:03.020
except the kernels. You know, I mean, the reason

01:15:03.020 --> 01:15:04.960
why I ran Debian SID, I thought it was a good

01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:06.819
way to get the latest software, but it comes

01:15:06.819 --> 01:15:08.800
at a price because the desktops would keep breaking

01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:11.739
on Debian SID. Every time the KDE desktop, which

01:15:11.739 --> 01:15:14.100
gets updated like crazy on Debian SID, would

01:15:14.100 --> 01:15:16.300
update, it would want to uninstall all the packages

01:15:16.300 --> 01:15:18.659
because part of the packages were QT5 and part

01:15:18.659 --> 01:15:20.779
of them QT6 because Debian don't put them in

01:15:20.779 --> 01:15:22.779
all at once. They put them in in little bits,

01:15:22.859 --> 01:15:24.979
don't they? So I got fed up with having to keep

01:15:24.979 --> 01:15:26.979
having my software uninstalled and my desktop

01:15:26.979 --> 01:15:28.960
uninstalled and things breaking and not working.

01:15:28.979 --> 01:15:32.539
So I decided Debian stable. It's got KG Plasma

01:15:32.539 --> 01:15:37.220
6 anyway. And who wants to use GNOME 49? Because

01:15:37.220 --> 01:15:39.979
we know that the GNOME 49 in Debian SID is Wayland

01:15:39.979 --> 01:15:42.220
only. Oh, by the way, I did test Debian SID in

01:15:42.220 --> 01:15:44.039
Virtual Machine, and yes, it's Wayland only.

01:15:44.220 --> 01:15:46.439
But the good news is you can still install GNOME

01:15:46.439 --> 01:15:48.680
Flashback. In Ubuntu and Debian, in GNOME 49,

01:15:49.020 --> 01:15:51.659
GNOME Flashback works, but not in Fedora. So

01:15:51.659 --> 01:15:53.939
if you want GNOME Flashback, don't go to Fedora.

01:15:57.160 --> 01:15:59.859
That's because a desktop on its own in Ubuntu.

01:16:00.180 --> 01:16:02.399
But in Fedora, you can't. When you install a

01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:04.579
flashback, it pulls in the whole desktop. So

01:16:04.579 --> 01:16:06.539
I think they have a different way of doing things

01:16:06.539 --> 01:16:08.520
on Fedora. They don't do things. It's not like

01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:10.680
Debian and Ubuntu, is it? I wanted it to be a

01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:12.579
clone of Debian and Ubuntu, but it wasn't, was

01:16:12.579 --> 01:16:15.420
it? Hey, Andrea, and I've heard a lot of people

01:16:15.420 --> 01:16:18.359
that say that Debian is a legacy distro and that

01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:20.619
it only has old packages. Would you say that

01:16:20.619 --> 01:16:23.659
is true? Well, not Debian Trixie. I think they've

01:16:23.659 --> 01:16:26.579
changed a lot. I think it maybe was true in past

01:16:26.579 --> 01:16:29.880
versions, but I think that they've changed. I

01:16:29.880 --> 01:16:32.779
mean, there was a time when you couldn't get

01:16:32.779 --> 01:16:36.000
non -free firmware, although that wasn't strictly

01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:38.800
true because you could download the ISOs that

01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:42.079
had non -free firmware, like Debian 11 and Debian

01:16:42.079 --> 01:16:46.859
10. But with Debian Bookworm, they tried to be

01:16:46.859 --> 01:16:49.470
more up -to -date, but I think they were... The

01:16:49.470 --> 01:16:52.069
Debian Bookworm version is the same as Ubuntu

01:16:52.069 --> 01:16:55.350
Jammy Jellyfish. Packages are very similar to

01:16:55.350 --> 01:16:59.310
that. Because Ubuntu Jammy had GNOME 42, Debian

01:16:59.310 --> 01:17:01.890
had GNOME 43, so they were slightly ahead. But

01:17:01.890 --> 01:17:05.170
since Debian Trixie, they've now got more updated

01:17:05.170 --> 01:17:08.949
packages. Because the stable version of GNOME

01:17:08.949 --> 01:17:12.029
for LTS, I think, is GNOME 48. Although Ubuntu,

01:17:12.289 --> 01:17:15.430
with their 24 .4, they're running GNOME 46. So

01:17:15.430 --> 01:17:17.449
we're ahead of them, aren't we? We're ahead of

01:17:17.449 --> 01:17:20.949
Ubuntu, aren't we? Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. Okay. So

01:17:20.949 --> 01:17:24.029
do you have or do you have any packages that

01:17:24.029 --> 01:17:26.529
you cannot use in Debian? What do you do when

01:17:26.529 --> 01:17:28.890
you find a package that is too old in Debian?

01:17:29.010 --> 01:17:32.289
Do you use flat packs or what do you do? Well,

01:17:32.329 --> 01:17:35.109
you can use it. Well, I mean, the web browsers

01:17:35.109 --> 01:17:36.770
is always better. I think the most important

01:17:36.770 --> 01:17:38.909
thing are the web browsers because they're the

01:17:38.909 --> 01:17:41.250
email programs because they're the ones that

01:17:41.250 --> 01:17:45.189
you connect to the internet every day. I think

01:17:45.189 --> 01:17:47.109
the web browsers, you're best to install them

01:17:47.109 --> 01:17:50.289
yourself from the website. Download Firefox from

01:17:50.289 --> 01:17:52.789
Firefox and download Google Chrome from Google

01:17:52.789 --> 01:17:55.810
Chrome. Or if you're using another Firefox clone

01:17:55.810 --> 01:17:58.750
like Pelmoon, you can download Pelmoon from the

01:17:58.750 --> 01:18:02.590
website and download Waterfox. Fortunately, with

01:18:02.590 --> 01:18:04.670
the Firefox browsers, they come as tar files,

01:18:04.890 --> 01:18:07.329
which are just designed to be unzipped and run

01:18:07.329 --> 01:18:09.970
without having to compile or anything. So you

01:18:09.970 --> 01:18:13.270
can just unzip the tar file with Archive Manager

01:18:13.270 --> 01:18:16.319
and just... put it in a folder somewhere and

01:18:16.319 --> 01:18:19.460
just run it. And that's what you can do. And

01:18:19.460 --> 01:18:22.619
Google Chrome, it'll install the repository when

01:18:22.619 --> 01:18:26.920
you use it. Brave browser and some other browsers,

01:18:27.060 --> 01:18:29.220
Libre, I think you have to add the repositories,

01:18:29.260 --> 01:18:31.979
but that's easily done. You can do that. You

01:18:31.979 --> 01:18:33.760
add the repositories, a few terminal commands

01:18:33.760 --> 01:18:37.460
and you're in. It tells you what to do on the

01:18:37.460 --> 01:18:39.399
website. It's just copying and pasting, isn't

01:18:39.399 --> 01:18:42.739
it? But I don't use Brave browser. Well, Thunderbird,

01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:44.880
you can actually download it from the website.

01:18:44.979 --> 01:18:47.479
Again, it's a tar file, and you've also got Betterbird,

01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:51.279
and you've got SeaMonkey. So email programs like...

01:18:51.279 --> 01:18:55.859
Debian is only using 140, which is ESR for Thunderbird,

01:18:55.920 --> 01:18:57.439
so you're better off getting it from the website.

01:18:58.079 --> 01:19:00.779
Even if you're using Firefox ESR, because some

01:19:00.779 --> 01:19:04.180
people like Firefox ESR, because... It's more

01:19:04.180 --> 01:19:06.220
compatible with the hardware. But with Firefox

01:19:06.220 --> 01:19:08.979
ESR, again, you can download it from the website.

01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:11.020
At least you know what you're getting. And I

01:19:11.020 --> 01:19:13.659
get updates for Firefox and Google Chrome and

01:19:13.659 --> 01:19:16.239
Waterboxx at least twice a week. Twice a week

01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:19.159
when I check for updates. I get updates twice

01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:21.319
a week from them, which is more with Debian.

01:19:21.319 --> 01:19:24.119
I'd have to wait longer for them to update. Same

01:19:24.119 --> 01:19:27.189
with Ubuntu. When you open your terminal in your

01:19:27.189 --> 01:19:31.329
machine. No, I did try some flat packs on Debian,

01:19:31.390 --> 01:19:33.869
but I decided I didn't really need them. Okay,

01:19:33.949 --> 01:19:36.250
and when you open your terminal, which one is

01:19:36.250 --> 01:19:40.670
it? What terminal do you use? I use GNOME terminal,

01:19:40.909 --> 01:19:45.350
but there's one called Pythesis. What's the name

01:19:45.350 --> 01:19:47.310
of the terminal? It's called Pythesis, isn't

01:19:47.310 --> 01:19:51.920
it? You know the one that... I don't know. Oh,

01:19:52.779 --> 01:19:55.699
I think I've heard it somewhere. Let me see.

01:19:56.539 --> 01:19:59.640
There's a lovely terminal called QTerminal, which

01:19:59.640 --> 01:20:02.319
I used to use. But PyTesis is the GTK equivalent

01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:05.479
of QTerminal. You can customize it, make it all

01:20:05.479 --> 01:20:07.460
different colors. It's a lovely terminal. So

01:20:07.460 --> 01:20:11.180
I always install that. Oh, okay. Yeah. Someone

01:20:11.180 --> 01:20:14.760
shared it in chat. Someone shared in chat. This

01:20:14.760 --> 01:20:18.640
one. Let me show my screen. I don't like external.

01:20:18.840 --> 01:20:20.920
That's not very good. Yeah, that's the one. That's

01:20:20.920 --> 01:20:23.319
the one. That's the terminal I've got. I've got

01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:25.739
below terminal and pytosis. I've got two terminals.

01:20:26.500 --> 01:20:31.579
Oh. And why? With the desktop, doesn't it? Oh,

01:20:31.579 --> 01:20:34.979
okay. And why do you like this one? In lots of

01:20:34.979 --> 01:20:37.579
nice colors. You can cut pink, blue, not pretty,

01:20:37.699 --> 01:20:40.579
very pretty color, very customizable. Oh. You

01:20:40.579 --> 01:20:42.199
can change the background and everything. It

01:20:42.199 --> 01:20:45.760
looks really nice. Oh, okay. Awesome. And what

01:20:45.760 --> 01:20:48.000
keyboard do you use? Do you use the keyboard

01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:51.420
that comes on your computer? Well, the Windows

01:20:51.420 --> 01:20:56.460
key and the escape. Well, I've got a mouse. Look,

01:20:56.560 --> 01:20:58.880
can you see I'm using a mouse? Look, I'm using

01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:05.060
a computer mouse. Yep, I see it. Yep. It's easier

01:21:05.060 --> 01:21:08.680
than using the keypad, isn't it? So you use the

01:21:08.680 --> 01:21:11.479
keyboard that comes with the laptop, right? You

01:21:11.479 --> 01:21:15.020
don't use an external keyboard. No. Well, the

01:21:15.020 --> 01:21:17.600
keyboard's working. I don't need to, do I? No,

01:21:17.640 --> 01:21:19.739
no, you're right. The keyboard's working, so

01:21:19.739 --> 01:21:22.199
if it wasn't working, then I don't have any silver,

01:21:22.220 --> 01:21:28.199
but it is working. Oh, okay, okay. Now, do you

01:21:28.199 --> 01:21:32.520
want to share with us two of your favorite movies?

01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:37.039
Not really, no, I don't really have any. You

01:21:37.039 --> 01:21:39.180
don't watch any movies? Do you listen to any

01:21:39.180 --> 01:21:41.699
music? I just watch YouTube screencasts on Linux

01:21:41.699 --> 01:21:45.000
at the moment. What do you watch on YouTube?

01:21:45.260 --> 01:21:47.279
Do you watch any YouTube channels, any Linux

01:21:47.279 --> 01:21:52.279
YouTube channels? There's quite a lot. Yeah,

01:21:53.079 --> 01:21:55.699
there's Linux Mench. There's a new channel that's

01:21:55.699 --> 01:21:58.359
not been called Zach of All Tech, you know, because

01:21:58.359 --> 01:22:00.500
there used to be this. You see, a lot of the

01:22:00.500 --> 01:22:03.140
old YouTubers, Linux YouTubers, are not active

01:22:03.140 --> 01:22:05.720
anymore. I used to like Nixie Pixel. Do you remember

01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:08.899
Nixie Pixel? Nixie does Linux. Red -haired lady.

01:22:09.659 --> 01:22:13.840
You're a redhead girl. This was back in 2010.

01:22:13.840 --> 01:22:16.699
I used to watch Nixie Pixel, and she used to

01:22:16.699 --> 01:22:19.180
do videos that were mainly about Ubuntu. She

01:22:19.180 --> 01:22:21.300
didn't used to use different desktops. She used

01:22:21.300 --> 01:22:23.960
to just use Ubuntu, and she used to just use

01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:26.699
Maclone desktops. She never used Canby. Yeah.

01:22:27.159 --> 01:22:30.180
And, you know, I think she's a woman ahead of

01:22:30.180 --> 01:22:32.359
her time, or she was a woman ahead of her time,

01:22:32.420 --> 01:22:36.600
because, you know, not many women were using

01:22:36.600 --> 01:22:39.340
Linux then, and even now, not many. You know,

01:22:39.380 --> 01:22:41.680
she was one of the few people that, you know,

01:22:41.739 --> 01:22:47.020
I think she's younger than me. She's still younger

01:22:47.020 --> 01:22:49.539
than me. I think she's in her 30s now. But, I

01:22:49.539 --> 01:22:53.279
mean, she must have been in her 20s when I saw

01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:57.380
her channel 10 years ago, was it? And, you know,

01:22:57.460 --> 01:22:59.840
she really knew her stuff because she really

01:22:59.840 --> 01:23:04.159
knew about it. I mean, she managed to keep the

01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:06.359
tutorial short and explain everything in under

01:23:06.359 --> 01:23:11.180
10 minutes, which was good. You know, I really

01:23:11.180 --> 01:23:14.380
like looking at, I still watch her channel, but

01:23:14.380 --> 01:23:16.859
she doesn't make videos anymore, which is a shame.

01:23:16.859 --> 01:23:19.060
She doesn't do any, you know, she's not active

01:23:19.060 --> 01:23:22.520
anymore, is she? There was Quidzup. I used to

01:23:22.520 --> 01:23:25.340
like Quidzup, but he's not active anymore. And

01:23:25.340 --> 01:23:28.020
do you know, back this cup of Linux and don't

01:23:28.020 --> 01:23:30.939
call me Lenny, you know, it's good looking at

01:23:30.939 --> 01:23:33.050
Linux and looking at... The way the old Linux

01:23:33.050 --> 01:23:35.729
used to be. Because the old Linux, in some ways,

01:23:35.750 --> 01:23:37.350
used to be better. Because they never had snaps

01:23:37.350 --> 01:23:39.670
or blackpacks then. It was simpler. But, you

01:23:39.670 --> 01:23:42.090
see, GNOME, they've made so many changes. Well,

01:23:42.189 --> 01:23:44.689
I think they still had GNOME 3 then. But I don't

01:23:44.689 --> 01:23:47.109
like this Wayland -only business. Because I can't

01:23:47.109 --> 01:23:49.010
use Wayland. Because how can I make my YouTube

01:23:49.010 --> 01:23:51.210
videos on Wayland? The screen recorders don't

01:23:51.210 --> 01:23:52.989
work. But, you know, so that's this cup of Linux.

01:23:53.109 --> 01:23:56.270
And don't call me Lenny. And who else we've got?

01:23:56.470 --> 01:23:58.510
Let me see. Let me look it up. Don't call me

01:23:58.510 --> 01:24:03.630
Lenny. Yeah. I like... It's got really good tutorials.

01:24:04.189 --> 01:24:06.170
They're not active anymore. They're not active

01:24:06.170 --> 01:24:08.609
anymore, but it's such a shame because they're

01:24:08.609 --> 01:24:12.090
good channels, aren't they? Good videos. Five

01:24:12.090 --> 01:24:15.250
years ago, okay. They're really nice. I really

01:24:15.250 --> 01:24:17.970
liked them as well. And QuidsUp, he was good.

01:24:18.109 --> 01:24:22.710
I like QuidsUp. How do you write that? Q -U -I

01:24:22.710 --> 01:24:25.250
-D -S, QuidsUp. It's a Linux channel. He used

01:24:25.250 --> 01:24:28.649
to make a lot of Linux videos. He stopped. Oh,

01:24:28.729 --> 01:24:31.289
this one stopped as well. There was one called

01:24:31.289 --> 01:24:34.510
Infinitely Galactic, you know, Australian man,

01:24:34.710 --> 01:24:37.630
Infinitely Galactic. He used to make a lot of

01:24:37.630 --> 01:24:40.550
videos, but now he doesn't make a lot now, and

01:24:40.550 --> 01:24:43.970
he's got videos going back to the very early

01:24:43.970 --> 01:24:48.689
Ubuntu, Infinitely Galactic Linux. I don't know

01:24:48.689 --> 01:24:51.390
how to spell it either, but he used to make a

01:24:51.390 --> 01:24:56.989
lot of videos. I didn't find that one. Infinitely

01:24:56.989 --> 01:25:01.050
Galactic, you know, but... But you know who sort

01:25:01.050 --> 01:25:03.210
of replaced him, who I think is very much like

01:25:03.210 --> 01:25:07.810
it? Zach of all tech. Because, like, I think

01:25:07.810 --> 01:25:10.149
he's a student or a young guy, and he's just

01:25:10.149 --> 01:25:12.729
started a new channel on Linux. You know, what

01:25:12.729 --> 01:25:16.729
Linux is good for new Windows users. And he wants

01:25:16.729 --> 01:25:20.890
to introduce users to Linux. to Linux operating

01:25:20.890 --> 01:25:23.270
systems where you don't have to use the terminal,

01:25:23.350 --> 01:25:25.449
where you can just use your package manager and

01:25:25.449 --> 01:25:27.829
use the software center. He's very much like

01:25:27.829 --> 01:25:30.270
Infinite League Galactic, you know. He reminds

01:25:30.270 --> 01:25:33.430
me of him because they're the same sort of tutorials

01:25:33.430 --> 01:25:36.210
and, you know, telling you how to use them. Infinite

01:25:36.210 --> 01:25:39.770
League Galactic was very, you know. Oh. Oh, it

01:25:39.770 --> 01:25:42.989
was basically introducing that they're like tutorials

01:25:42.989 --> 01:25:47.439
for Windows users so that it makes it easy. You

01:25:47.439 --> 01:25:49.220
see, all those channels, Factories, Cup of Linux,

01:25:49.420 --> 01:25:52.140
Don't Call Me Lenny, even Nixie Pixel, you know,

01:25:52.199 --> 01:25:54.800
they help bring Windows users into Linux because

01:25:54.800 --> 01:25:59.279
they explain it so... Well, Nixie Pixel, she

01:25:59.279 --> 01:26:01.199
was a woman ahead of her time. She was really

01:26:01.199 --> 01:26:03.680
clever, I think. She knew everything in Linux.

01:26:03.819 --> 01:26:06.460
I mean, you know, our channel's entertainment

01:26:06.460 --> 01:26:09.399
as well. She knew a lot about Linux. She knows

01:26:09.399 --> 01:26:12.279
a lot more than what I do, that's for sure. Oh,

01:26:12.300 --> 01:26:15.829
and do you? Do you also watch Veronica Explains?

01:26:15.829 --> 01:26:18.189
Someone brought it up in chat as well. Oh, yeah.

01:26:18.710 --> 01:26:22.909
Yeah. Yeah. She's not been very active much,

01:26:22.970 --> 01:26:25.810
has she? But yeah, she's a lot. Yeah. I like

01:26:25.810 --> 01:26:29.850
her. There's bread on pain wings, but she uses

01:26:29.850 --> 01:26:32.210
Arch Linux. The odd thing is that she's chosen

01:26:32.210 --> 01:26:34.569
Arch Linux as her first operating system, which

01:26:34.569 --> 01:26:37.250
is unusual because most people don't choose Arch

01:26:37.250 --> 01:26:41.189
as their first time. Some people of you, there's

01:26:41.189 --> 01:26:44.960
somebody else called... Leona, somebody, she's

01:26:44.960 --> 01:26:47.439
using Fedora as her first operating system. But,

01:26:47.500 --> 01:26:50.380
well, I don't know how anyone can use Fedora

01:26:50.380 --> 01:26:53.579
43 because it's unusable. You can't use it. Uh

01:26:53.579 --> 01:26:55.859
-huh, uh -huh. Yeah, but it's Arch Linux, so.

01:26:56.220 --> 01:26:59.140
Uh -huh. Well, DistroTube isn't Arch Linux, but

01:26:59.140 --> 01:27:01.039
he's an advanced user. He's even got his own

01:27:01.039 --> 01:27:04.000
OS out. Oh, Linux Minch is good. I think he started

01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:08.159
life on Linux Minch. Oh, yeah. What is this?

01:27:08.859 --> 01:27:13.760
Linux Minch. Linux Minch. Linux Minch. He uses

01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:19.500
Linux as an arch user, but he's tutorial. He

01:27:19.500 --> 01:27:23.199
operates this as well. Have you seen this guy?

01:27:23.279 --> 01:27:25.220
Have you seen this guy? Chris Titus Tech. He

01:27:25.220 --> 01:27:28.119
covers Windows and Linux. Chris Titus Tech covers

01:27:28.119 --> 01:27:30.619
Windows and Linux. Oh, yeah. Chris Titus. He

01:27:30.619 --> 01:27:33.380
does everything, doesn't he? Chris Titus Tech.

01:27:33.539 --> 01:27:35.899
Yeah, he does everything. But have you seen this

01:27:35.899 --> 01:27:38.420
guy? Panels are not active anymore. I used to

01:27:38.420 --> 01:27:43.079
like the Linux tube because the Linux tube. made

01:27:43.079 --> 01:27:45.079
a comment on my channel. They said that, you

01:27:45.079 --> 01:27:48.020
know, we don't get, you know, we welcome you

01:27:48.020 --> 01:27:51.140
as a new user. And he wanted me to join live

01:27:51.140 --> 01:27:54.180
chat. And, you know, he featured me on his Discord,

01:27:54.260 --> 01:27:56.899
my channel, the Linux Tube. But what's happened

01:27:56.899 --> 01:27:58.899
to him? Because I've not seen him for months,

01:27:58.960 --> 01:28:01.420
the Linux Tube. Alex, where did he, where did

01:28:01.420 --> 01:28:03.340
they go? You know, because Alex, you know, the

01:28:03.340 --> 01:28:05.819
Linux Tube and they had other users showing you

01:28:05.819 --> 01:28:08.970
different. operating systems of Linux and that.

01:28:09.069 --> 01:28:11.970
Where did that happen to him? Because he's not

01:28:11.970 --> 01:28:13.829
active anymore. But a lot of them are not active

01:28:13.829 --> 01:28:16.810
anymore, are they? Yeah, I see. Do you follow?

01:28:16.909 --> 01:28:19.289
I haven't seen this one. I haven't seen this

01:28:19.289 --> 01:28:22.369
one. But do you follow this other guy? Hold on,

01:28:22.390 --> 01:28:25.149
hold on. I have it here. I have it here. The

01:28:25.149 --> 01:28:27.850
guy that used Fedora, he's not active anymore.

01:28:27.850 --> 01:28:30.430
This is just a Linux guy. He uses Debian. Yeah,

01:28:30.430 --> 01:28:33.329
but he doesn't make videos very often. Yeah,

01:28:33.430 --> 01:28:35.649
he's one of the ones I subscribe to. Yeah, and

01:28:35.649 --> 01:28:38.500
he's one of them. Yeah, but he, yeah, five days,

01:28:38.619 --> 01:28:41.680
seven days. There's quite a lot of little channels

01:28:41.680 --> 01:28:43.119
that have clicked the subscribe button, but they

01:28:43.119 --> 01:28:46.399
don't all make, learn Linux TV, but he's got

01:28:46.399 --> 01:28:48.840
nothing but praise for Fedora. I personally hate

01:28:48.840 --> 01:28:53.119
Fedora 43. Well, you can't use it. How can you

01:28:53.119 --> 01:28:56.460
like Fedora 43 if you can't use it? I can't.

01:28:57.159 --> 01:29:00.439
Fedora 43 is unusable, isn't it? I mean, it doesn't

01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:02.800
work, does it? It doesn't work. But I think.

01:29:03.060 --> 01:29:06.920
It doesn't work. It doesn't work. But I think

01:29:06.920 --> 01:29:10.119
he switched to Debian as his main one. Well,

01:29:10.300 --> 01:29:13.479
last time I checked, I don't follow him too closely.

01:29:13.579 --> 01:29:15.500
You know there's another one if you want a system

01:29:15.500 --> 01:29:21.569
D3. Have you heard of Dev1? Dev1? Dev1? Yeah,

01:29:21.630 --> 01:29:24.970
it's a clone of Debian, but Systemd -free. But

01:29:24.970 --> 01:29:27.470
I don't see what's wrong with Systemd. It's not

01:29:27.470 --> 01:29:29.810
done me any harm. I mean, I think when I first

01:29:29.810 --> 01:29:33.029
started using Linux in 2010, it had Systemd.

01:29:33.050 --> 01:29:35.270
I don't really know of anything else. So if you've

01:29:35.270 --> 01:29:37.590
only known Systemd, well, you wouldn't really

01:29:37.590 --> 01:29:39.930
know what it would be like not to have it, would

01:29:39.930 --> 01:29:43.489
you? Have you seen this guy as well, Tony? No,

01:29:43.489 --> 01:29:46.210
what does he... Oh, he does... Well, what about

01:29:46.210 --> 01:29:48.130
this switching to Wayland? That's going to be

01:29:48.130 --> 01:29:50.550
a problem. I don't like that. I really don't

01:29:50.550 --> 01:29:54.489
like that at all. I mean, is there anything that

01:29:54.489 --> 01:29:58.750
the new Linux users like myself, are we allowed

01:29:58.750 --> 01:30:01.130
to post our opinion on the forums and say that

01:30:01.130 --> 01:30:05.250
we don't want Wayland and we want X11? Can you

01:30:05.250 --> 01:30:08.310
please keep X11 in GNOME? Are we able to do that

01:30:08.310 --> 01:30:11.329
or they don't allow that? Yes, you can, of course.

01:30:11.630 --> 01:30:14.409
I mean, can we go somewhere on the forums and

01:30:14.409 --> 01:30:17.409
post our feedback? I'm lucky with X11. I don't

01:30:17.409 --> 01:30:20.090
want it to go. I want to stay on X11. I don't

01:30:20.090 --> 01:30:22.310
want Wayland because Wayland doesn't work. So

01:30:22.310 --> 01:30:26.029
why don't we just Linux Mint? In his comments,

01:30:26.149 --> 01:30:28.590
he said that, you know, if it ain't broken, don't

01:30:28.590 --> 01:30:30.550
fix it. He said that he uses window managers,

01:30:30.729 --> 01:30:35.140
Linux Mint. Linux meant she was his window managers,

01:30:35.359 --> 01:30:37.920
and he said a lot of them don't work on Wayland,

01:30:37.979 --> 01:30:40.619
and he needs the X11 for that. So a lot of people

01:30:40.619 --> 01:30:43.880
need X11. I don't use window managers, but X11

01:30:43.880 --> 01:30:46.119
is very much needed. It's not just a question

01:30:46.119 --> 01:30:49.119
of want to use X11. You need X11. We can't live

01:30:49.119 --> 01:30:51.939
without it. We need X11. It's like removing Internet

01:30:51.939 --> 01:30:54.380
Explorer from Windows, removing X11. It's a part

01:30:54.380 --> 01:30:57.039
of Linux. X11 is a part of Linux, isn't it? How

01:30:57.039 --> 01:30:59.079
can they think about removing it? I mean, if

01:30:59.079 --> 01:31:01.300
Wayland worked and it worked better than X11,

01:31:01.399 --> 01:31:03.300
I wouldn't care. it doesn't work, does it? It

01:31:03.300 --> 01:31:06.619
doesn't work, Weyland. Yeah, so these kids don't

01:31:06.619 --> 01:31:08.239
know what they're talking about then. I don't

01:31:08.239 --> 01:31:11.119
like it. I never use Weyland. I try not to use

01:31:11.119 --> 01:31:13.920
it. The reason why I wouldn't use GNOME 49 is

01:31:13.920 --> 01:31:15.579
because it's Weyland only, but GNOME Flashback

01:31:15.579 --> 01:31:17.939
is X11. That's a separate desktop, so maybe they'll

01:31:17.939 --> 01:31:20.319
keep the GNOME Flashback so I can still use that

01:31:20.319 --> 01:31:22.319
in the next version of Ubuntu, right? I can use

01:31:22.319 --> 01:31:24.140
GNOME Flashback in the next version of Ubuntu

01:31:24.140 --> 01:31:27.180
when it's LTE. Yeah, it's China. I can. And what

01:31:27.180 --> 01:31:31.159
about Matt? Matt is still around. He posts often.

01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:34.079
He uses Gento and that. He uses a more advanced

01:31:34.079 --> 01:31:38.079
operating system, don't he? Yeah. Well, he's

01:31:38.079 --> 01:31:41.819
on Nix. Oh, you know what I would like to see

01:31:41.819 --> 01:31:44.579
in Debian? Why don't Debian include the Mint

01:31:44.579 --> 01:31:48.220
Software Manager? You know I did a video on installing

01:31:48.220 --> 01:31:50.720
the Mint Software Center. I think the Mint Software

01:31:50.720 --> 01:31:53.920
Center should be ported to Debian because...

01:31:54.489 --> 01:31:56.710
Debian and Ubuntu doesn't have the Mint software.

01:31:56.930 --> 01:31:58.750
You know the software center from Linux Mint,

01:31:58.810 --> 01:32:01.069
so you have to install it yourself. And I've

01:32:01.069 --> 01:32:03.229
successfully installed the Mint software center

01:32:03.229 --> 01:32:05.789
on Debian, and it'll probably work on Ubuntu.

01:32:05.890 --> 01:32:08.029
So why don't they just port it to Debian so that

01:32:08.029 --> 01:32:09.649
we can install it from the package manager and

01:32:09.649 --> 01:32:12.350
download a load of dev files? Because it's a

01:32:12.350 --> 01:32:14.210
damn sight better than GNOME software center

01:32:14.210 --> 01:32:16.729
and Plasma Discover, I don't... So, like Eva,

01:32:16.829 --> 01:32:18.890
I like the Mint Software Center, the only software

01:32:18.890 --> 01:32:20.569
manager I will use. Because before, I was just

01:32:20.569 --> 01:32:23.649
using Synaptic. But now, I know the driver manager.

01:32:23.810 --> 01:32:25.770
I've successfully got the driver manager on,

01:32:25.869 --> 01:32:30.449
what's it, Debian. Because, not that I need it,

01:32:30.470 --> 01:32:31.869
because all my drivers are working. But it's

01:32:31.869 --> 01:32:33.449
handy to have, isn't it, instead of searching

01:32:33.449 --> 01:32:35.470
for the package manager. But you can install

01:32:35.470 --> 01:32:37.930
that on LMD and Debian. But it's just a case

01:32:37.930 --> 01:32:40.010
of downloading a couple of dev files, isn't it?

01:32:41.229 --> 01:32:45.359
That's all. And it works on Debian. I've been

01:32:45.359 --> 01:32:47.600
testing out Debian in Virtual Machine. All of

01:32:47.600 --> 01:32:49.720
the tweaks on Debian work in Debian as well,

01:32:49.800 --> 01:32:52.680
except that it's not systemd. It's systembinit

01:32:52.680 --> 01:32:54.779
or something, isn't it? And did you ever see

01:32:54.779 --> 01:32:58.800
this guy, Terry, the one that created Temple

01:32:58.800 --> 01:33:01.380
OS? Did you ever watch his video? You've heard

01:33:01.380 --> 01:33:04.680
of Temple OS? What the hell is that? It's...

01:33:05.820 --> 01:33:08.020
literally an operating system that someone created.

01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:10.760
Let me look it up. Is it Linux or is it something

01:33:10.760 --> 01:33:15.680
else or is it BSD? I was thinking of maybe trying

01:33:15.680 --> 01:33:17.960
FreeBSD because I thought, well, if everything

01:33:17.960 --> 01:33:20.819
goes Wayland only, using the stream recorders

01:33:20.819 --> 01:33:23.260
is going to be a problem. I couldn't even get

01:33:23.260 --> 01:33:26.359
FreeBSD or any BSD operating system to install.

01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:28.420
When I tried it in Virtual Machine, it was all

01:33:28.420 --> 01:33:30.920
command -front. I couldn't even install any of

01:33:30.920 --> 01:33:33.680
the BSDs that I tried. I couldn't install FreeBSD

01:33:33.680 --> 01:33:36.640
or the BSD, so I won't be switching to BSD because

01:33:36.640 --> 01:33:40.100
I can't even install it, can I? Uh -huh. This,

01:33:40.300 --> 01:33:44.239
yeah, I would... I'll have a look at Linus Tech

01:33:44.239 --> 01:33:47.100
Tips. He's the one who installed Pop! OS. And

01:33:47.100 --> 01:33:50.479
when he installed Steam, it uninstalled his desktop.

01:33:50.840 --> 01:33:53.699
That was a bug in Pop! OS. I don't like Pop!

01:33:53.819 --> 01:33:56.100
OS. I think it's overrated, because when I installed

01:33:56.100 --> 01:33:58.659
Pop! OS, I didn't like the Pop! shop very much,

01:33:58.680 --> 01:34:01.000
and it's bundled with flatpaks, which I didn't

01:34:01.000 --> 01:34:04.880
like. And when I installed another desktop environment,

01:34:05.260 --> 01:34:07.699
you know, it did. But when I wanted to uninstall

01:34:07.699 --> 01:34:09.800
GNOME from Pop! OS, it blocked it. It wouldn't

01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:12.300
let me do it. So you can't replace Pop! OS with

01:34:12.300 --> 01:34:14.039
the Mate desktop, because it won't let you. So

01:34:14.039 --> 01:34:17.020
you're stuck with the Mate desktop and the GNOME

01:34:17.020 --> 01:34:20.100
desktop, two desktops. I mean, you can have more

01:34:20.100 --> 01:34:22.079
than one desktop environment, but I like to have

01:34:22.079 --> 01:34:24.640
one desktop environment at a time. So say I change

01:34:24.640 --> 01:34:28.640
my desktop environment from KDE to XFCE. I don't

01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:32.479
install the KDE and keep the XFCE, but I mean,

01:34:32.500 --> 01:34:34.600
on my laptops, I've got different desktop environments.

01:34:34.800 --> 01:34:37.380
This one's got the name Flashback. This one's

01:34:37.380 --> 01:34:40.380
got Budgie. The pink laptop hasn't got anything

01:34:40.380 --> 01:34:42.840
on it because I haven't installed anything on

01:34:42.840 --> 01:34:44.789
it. And the fourth laptop hasn't got anything

01:34:44.789 --> 01:34:48.130
either because I did have a Trinity desktop on

01:34:48.130 --> 01:34:50.930
Debian SID, but unfortunately it nuked the whole

01:34:50.930 --> 01:34:52.590
desktop because when I installed the Trinity

01:34:52.590 --> 01:34:55.189
desktop, I couldn't change. The Trinity desktop

01:34:55.189 --> 01:34:57.609
is broken. I thought the Trinity desktop might

01:34:57.609 --> 01:35:00.449
be a good replacement to avoid Wayland because

01:35:00.449 --> 01:35:03.670
Trinity desktop's X11, but you can install Trinity

01:35:03.670 --> 01:35:05.930
desktop by adding the repositories to Debian,

01:35:05.970 --> 01:35:07.829
but there's bugs in the Trinity desktop and it

01:35:07.829 --> 01:35:12.420
just breaks. Because it's based on KDE 3 and

01:35:12.420 --> 01:35:14.680
they're using very old libraries. Even though

01:35:14.680 --> 01:35:17.079
it's meant to be updated, it's TDE. They call

01:35:17.079 --> 01:35:20.220
it TD, Trinity Desktop, based on KDE 3. They're

01:35:20.220 --> 01:35:22.640
using very old libraries from KDE 3, which is

01:35:22.640 --> 01:35:25.359
not used anymore. And I guess they're importing

01:35:25.359 --> 01:35:27.979
all of the bugs that were in KDE 3. So I know

01:35:27.979 --> 01:35:30.659
you get a desktop that looks like KDE 3. It's

01:35:30.659 --> 01:35:32.699
not updated. They should update everything to

01:35:32.699 --> 01:35:34.819
work on modern hardware and it just doesn't.

01:35:35.199 --> 01:35:38.060
You know what I mean, Dom Story Short? Hey, Andrea,

01:35:38.220 --> 01:35:40.800
people in the chat are asking, they want to know,

01:35:40.939 --> 01:35:45.199
do you do YouTube for a living? Is that what

01:35:45.199 --> 01:35:46.579
you do or you do something else? No, I don't

01:35:46.579 --> 01:35:48.939
earn any money from it at all, no. Can I tell

01:35:48.939 --> 01:35:50.859
you what I find most annoying about YouTube?

01:35:51.300 --> 01:35:55.399
The advert. Because many times I'm watching a

01:35:55.399 --> 01:35:59.460
video on Linux and I'm just going to get my party

01:35:59.460 --> 01:36:01.260
and it's a bit cold in here. I'm going to change

01:36:01.260 --> 01:36:04.960
my jumper and maybe put something around me because

01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:07.970
it's quite cold in here, isn't it? So, yeah,

01:36:09.010 --> 01:36:11.289
it's cold. I didn't put the heater on because

01:36:11.289 --> 01:36:13.689
I'd be too hot, but that's better, isn't it?

01:36:14.630 --> 01:36:19.050
Mm -hmm. But, you know... What's most annoying

01:36:19.050 --> 01:36:21.310
about YouTube is I'm trying to watch a tutorial

01:36:21.310 --> 01:36:23.350
or Linux, and in the middle of the tutorial,

01:36:23.550 --> 01:36:26.649
I get rudely interrupted by an advert. And then

01:36:26.649 --> 01:36:29.529
I get so angry. I think, oh, I'm not going to

01:36:29.529 --> 01:36:31.109
play your game. I don't want to listen to your

01:36:31.109 --> 01:36:33.090
bloody advert. And I turn the sound off until

01:36:33.090 --> 01:36:34.609
it's gone, because there's no way you can get

01:36:34.609 --> 01:36:36.189
rid of the advert. You click on it, and you can't

01:36:36.189 --> 01:36:37.810
get rid of it. And sometimes it will play to

01:36:37.810 --> 01:36:41.789
advert. And then when I try to click, I play,

01:36:41.890 --> 01:36:44.600
go back. space to the video because I've missed

01:36:44.600 --> 01:36:46.300
what he was saying because it was interrupted

01:36:46.300 --> 01:36:49.680
by the advert. Another advert, even though I

01:36:49.680 --> 01:36:53.479
moved the mouse cursor back where he left off

01:36:53.479 --> 01:36:56.060
before it was rudely interrupted, another advert

01:36:56.060 --> 01:36:58.199
plays and then sometimes two or three adverts

01:36:58.199 --> 01:37:02.039
come on all at once and every few seconds you're

01:37:02.039 --> 01:37:04.159
interrupted by an advert. How can you watch a

01:37:04.159 --> 01:37:05.659
video if you're constantly being interrupted

01:37:05.659 --> 01:37:08.460
by the advert? I don't like that, do you? I hate

01:37:08.460 --> 01:37:11.880
that. on here, have you? Because how are people

01:37:11.880 --> 01:37:13.640
going to listen to me if I'm going to be interrupted

01:37:13.640 --> 01:37:15.899
every few minutes with a stupid advert, you know?

01:37:16.039 --> 01:37:18.420
That no one listens to and I don't want to listen

01:37:18.420 --> 01:37:22.300
to. Yeah, I got used to them already. I watch

01:37:22.300 --> 01:37:25.039
ads and I'm like, okay. They never used to have

01:37:25.039 --> 01:37:26.840
adverts on YouTube. You could just watch the

01:37:26.840 --> 01:37:30.640
whole video and not have adverts. I'm not monetized,

01:37:30.659 --> 01:37:33.340
so I don't have adverts on my channel, no. No?

01:37:33.359 --> 01:37:35.739
So you don't make money out of YouTube then?

01:37:36.479 --> 01:37:39.079
No, I don't make any money at all. I don't get...

01:37:39.439 --> 01:37:43.020
No, it's a free channel. I don't get paid for

01:37:43.020 --> 01:37:45.560
what I do at all. I mean, YouTube is a free platform.

01:37:45.920 --> 01:37:50.140
You go on it, you make a channel, but you don't

01:37:50.140 --> 01:37:54.460
get paid for it. No, you don't get paid. Okay,

01:37:54.539 --> 01:37:57.960
so now... I don't get paid for it. Okay, but

01:37:57.960 --> 01:38:00.199
you don't want to get paid from it, right? Or

01:38:00.199 --> 01:38:03.199
you do at some point? Who would pay me? Why would

01:38:03.199 --> 01:38:05.680
anyone pay to listen to my videos? I'm not that

01:38:05.680 --> 01:38:09.229
good, am I? Who would pay me? Did you... activate

01:38:09.229 --> 01:38:13.250
the monetization on YouTube. I don't want to.

01:38:13.409 --> 01:38:15.510
You don't want to? It's on my channel anyway,

01:38:15.630 --> 01:38:17.729
so I wouldn't like that, to be honest. I remember

01:38:17.729 --> 01:38:19.789
when I used to have a daily motion channel, even

01:38:19.789 --> 01:38:21.590
though I didn't get paid for it, they just put

01:38:21.590 --> 01:38:23.470
adverts on the channel. A lot of video channels

01:38:23.470 --> 01:38:27.649
do, don't they? Yeah, because when, let's say

01:38:27.649 --> 01:38:30.390
that you show ads just at the beginning, at the

01:38:30.390 --> 01:38:33.029
end of the video, not in the middle. What do

01:38:33.029 --> 01:38:35.130
I want ads on my videos for? What the hell for?

01:38:35.250 --> 01:38:38.720
I don't want that. Why? Yeah, you have a point.

01:38:38.760 --> 01:38:41.100
Okay. So you just don't want it. If there was

01:38:41.100 --> 01:38:43.039
ads, then people wouldn't be able to watch the

01:38:43.039 --> 01:38:45.619
video. How can you watch a video if you're constantly

01:38:45.619 --> 01:38:48.920
being bombarded with, interrupted by ads every

01:38:48.920 --> 01:38:51.460
few seconds or every few minutes? I mean, the

01:38:51.460 --> 01:38:54.000
ads are just, they get really annoying now because

01:38:54.000 --> 01:38:55.460
I don't, if it's just an ad at the beginning

01:38:55.460 --> 01:38:57.039
of the video and then it doesn't play again,

01:38:57.119 --> 01:38:58.920
it's not so bad, but I don't want ads at all.

01:38:58.939 --> 01:39:01.199
But sometimes you're watching a video and without

01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:03.899
warning an ad comes on and then you wait for

01:39:03.899 --> 01:39:06.319
the ad to finish and then you click the back.

01:39:06.720 --> 01:39:08.439
And then you move your mouth a curse of black

01:39:08.439 --> 01:39:13.640
to listen to what the man was saying before you

01:39:13.640 --> 01:39:16.960
were rudely interrupted by an advert. And then

01:39:16.960 --> 01:39:19.460
another advert plays. And then you do the same

01:39:19.460 --> 01:39:21.140
thing again because you can't remember what the

01:39:21.140 --> 01:39:25.060
man was saying in the tutorial or whatever. And

01:39:25.060 --> 01:39:27.340
then another advert plays. It's getting ridiculous

01:39:27.340 --> 01:39:29.880
now. It's getting freaking ridiculous. The adverts

01:39:29.880 --> 01:39:32.380
are just nothing but annoying. It drives me mad.

01:39:32.479 --> 01:39:35.180
I hate them. And do you want to share with us

01:39:35.180 --> 01:39:37.359
what do you do for a living or you want to keep

01:39:37.359 --> 01:39:40.680
that private? Up to you. I don't work. I don't

01:39:40.680 --> 01:39:44.699
work. I'm not able to work. I don't work. I'm

01:39:44.699 --> 01:39:48.100
not able to work. I'm not able to work. I'm not

01:39:48.100 --> 01:39:52.449
well. Oh, okay. Okay. Because you could... remove

01:39:52.449 --> 01:39:55.149
the ads in the middle, you know, so that only

01:39:55.149 --> 01:39:57.590
when you start the video and when it ends, you

01:39:57.590 --> 01:39:59.789
could show an ad and remove all of them in the

01:39:59.789 --> 01:40:02.710
middle. The ads just come up. We got no control

01:40:02.710 --> 01:40:04.829
over it, but the ads just come up. There's no

01:40:04.829 --> 01:40:08.590
way of stopping it. They don't even give you

01:40:08.590 --> 01:40:10.649
a warning. They just come and that's it, the

01:40:10.649 --> 01:40:13.250
ads. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, you have

01:40:13.250 --> 01:40:15.989
a point. What time is it where you're at? It's

01:40:15.989 --> 01:40:18.470
like 2 a .m., right? What time do you go to bed?

01:40:33.400 --> 01:40:35.779
Well, sometimes I don't sleep. I don't fall asleep

01:40:35.779 --> 01:40:37.880
at the right time. Difficult to sleep at night.

01:40:38.859 --> 01:40:42.520
Uh -huh. It's quiet at night. You're not disturbed

01:40:42.520 --> 01:40:44.279
at night because during the day you're sort of

01:40:44.279 --> 01:40:46.520
disturbed by postmen knocking on your door and

01:40:46.520 --> 01:40:48.579
people going in and out. I'm in a block of flats,

01:40:48.699 --> 01:40:51.720
you see, but it's quieter at night. You feel

01:40:51.720 --> 01:40:54.779
more relaxed at night. Sometimes you've got to

01:40:54.779 --> 01:40:57.619
be awake for the postman or parcels coming and

01:40:57.619 --> 01:41:00.260
that or workmen coming. So you're more relaxed

01:41:00.260 --> 01:41:03.500
at night, aren't you? Okay. Is that when you

01:41:03.500 --> 01:41:06.159
record the videos at night? Yeah, because I'm

01:41:06.159 --> 01:41:09.899
not so, you don't get disturbed at night. Makes

01:41:09.899 --> 01:41:13.180
sense. It's quiet at night, isn't it? Isn't it

01:41:13.180 --> 01:41:17.060
night where you are? Right now it's 8pm where

01:41:17.060 --> 01:41:22.279
I'm at. And where you're at it's 2am. Is that

01:41:22.279 --> 01:41:25.359
right? Yeah, it says 2 .05 on the clock there.

01:41:25.420 --> 01:41:29.380
Yes, it does. Okay. Do you want to stop the call

01:41:29.380 --> 01:41:34.199
here? Do you want to end it here? Yeah, I didn't

01:41:34.199 --> 01:41:36.220
really offer much very technical advice, really,

01:41:36.340 --> 01:41:40.640
did I? Oh, yeah, you did. You did. Awesome. You

01:41:40.640 --> 01:41:43.260
know, about these other operating systems, why

01:41:43.260 --> 01:41:46.619
use other operating systems like Fedora or Arch

01:41:46.619 --> 01:41:51.000
or Gen2 when Debian and Ubuntu -based Linux provides

01:41:51.000 --> 01:41:54.039
everything that you need? Just Debian. Debian

01:41:54.039 --> 01:41:56.779
is the king. And even for experienced users,

01:41:56.920 --> 01:42:01.159
I think... A Debian Ubuntu or a Debian -based

01:42:01.159 --> 01:42:03.600
operating system. The thing is, with Ubuntu,

01:42:03.779 --> 01:42:06.479
the only thing is you have to have snaps, don't

01:42:06.479 --> 01:42:09.100
you? You have to have snaps and you can't uninstall

01:42:09.100 --> 01:42:11.619
it. But, I mean, if you're someone that doesn't

01:42:11.619 --> 01:42:14.720
mind snaps, I mean, it's all installed for you

01:42:14.720 --> 01:42:17.460
in Ubuntu, isn't it? Or in other Ubuntu -based

01:42:17.460 --> 01:42:20.079
operating systems like Pop !OS or maybe some

01:42:20.079 --> 01:42:22.220
others like Zorin OS, they come with both the

01:42:22.220 --> 01:42:26.550
snaps and the blackpacks. the debian based operating

01:42:26.550 --> 01:42:29.170
systems some come with flat packs some don't

01:42:29.170 --> 01:42:31.229
depend but with debian you can install stacks

01:42:31.229 --> 01:42:33.569
of flat packs if you want and even if you change

01:42:33.569 --> 01:42:35.829
your mind you can uninstall them and no harm

01:42:35.829 --> 01:42:38.550
done but i'm saying with debian and ubuntu is

01:42:38.550 --> 01:42:40.770
better because i think it's more secure there's

01:42:40.770 --> 01:42:43.949
more packages more dev packages and also they

01:42:43.949 --> 01:42:45.989
have more graphical applications they have a

01:42:45.989 --> 01:42:48.310
lot of graphical applications for the new user

01:42:48.310 --> 01:42:50.689
if you see on my channel that A lot of people

01:42:50.689 --> 01:42:52.229
don't even know about, so you don't have to use

01:42:52.229 --> 01:42:54.329
a term. But Fedora doesn't have that, and Arch

01:42:54.329 --> 01:42:56.649
certainly doesn't have that, and I don't think

01:42:56.649 --> 01:42:59.229
Gentoo or the others would have that. What do

01:42:59.229 --> 01:43:02.829
you think about Gentoo and the furries? Have

01:43:02.829 --> 01:43:06.869
you seen the furries? I don't know about Gentoo,

01:43:06.869 --> 01:43:08.970
but I was thinking of Open Seuss, where they

01:43:08.970 --> 01:43:13.039
had the Zaha package manager. All right. When

01:43:13.039 --> 01:43:14.739
I did the command in the terminal and looked

01:43:14.739 --> 01:43:17.199
at it, it worked similar to Ubuntu and Codora.

01:43:17.239 --> 01:43:19.720
But what's the point? We got Debian, we got Ubuntu.

01:43:19.760 --> 01:43:21.979
What's the point? You know what I mean? Mm -hmm.

01:43:22.850 --> 01:43:26.189
Yeah, Debian is the king. So in summary, Debian

01:43:26.189 --> 01:43:29.210
is the king. I don't know Ubuntu either. Well,

01:43:29.569 --> 01:43:31.750
if you don't want Snap, then use Linux Mint because

01:43:31.750 --> 01:43:33.810
this is what a lot of people don't know. People

01:43:33.810 --> 01:43:36.310
say Linux Mint comes with Flatpak. The truth

01:43:36.310 --> 01:43:38.949
is, yes, it does. But if you don't want Flatpak

01:43:38.949 --> 01:43:41.649
in Linux Mint, you can uninstall it. I know because

01:43:41.649 --> 01:43:44.409
I started off on Linux Mint. I've done it myself.

01:43:44.489 --> 01:43:46.750
When I was using Linux Mint, the Ubuntu -based

01:43:46.750 --> 01:43:49.289
Linux Mint and the Debian version of Linux Mint,

01:43:49.409 --> 01:43:52.170
I used to uninstall Flatpak and I would just

01:43:52.170 --> 01:43:53.979
have... dead packages and the software center

01:43:53.979 --> 01:43:57.359
and everything on linux mint still works so i

01:43:57.359 --> 01:44:01.119
mean you know you can uninstall flat packs on

01:44:01.119 --> 01:44:02.979
linux mint and it doesn't break the operating

01:44:02.979 --> 01:44:06.279
system and you know you can but on ubuntu you

01:44:06.279 --> 01:44:08.880
can't uninstall snap because it's baked in and

01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:11.039
on fedora you can't uninstall flat pack for the

01:44:11.039 --> 01:44:12.899
same reason that you can't uninstall snaps from

01:44:12.899 --> 01:44:15.560
ubuntu is because it is baked in but it's just

01:44:15.560 --> 01:44:19.300
what but with a linux mint you can and just have

01:44:19.300 --> 01:44:22.079
it as dead packages and with um What is it? With

01:44:22.079 --> 01:44:25.100
Debian, you get a choice. You don't have to have

01:44:25.100 --> 01:44:26.819
snaps of backups if you don't want them. But

01:44:26.819 --> 01:44:28.380
if you want them, you can just add them. You

01:44:28.380 --> 01:44:31.579
know what I mean? You've got app images as well,

01:44:31.659 --> 01:44:33.439
which you just download from the web. You don't

01:44:33.439 --> 01:44:35.239
need a package manager for that. You just download

01:44:35.239 --> 01:44:37.199
the one you want from the web, the software you

01:44:37.199 --> 01:44:39.840
want. Now, what do you think about the furries?

01:44:39.939 --> 01:44:41.819
Have you heard about the furries? Because there's

01:44:41.819 --> 01:44:45.479
a lot of Linux users that wear these suits. These

01:44:45.479 --> 01:44:48.829
suits are called fursuits. I don't know. I've

01:44:48.829 --> 01:44:50.789
never heard it. I don't know anything about that.

01:44:50.810 --> 01:44:53.210
Sorry. No, you don't know anything about it?

01:44:53.289 --> 01:44:56.029
Because, I don't know, it's very popular in the

01:44:56.029 --> 01:44:58.609
Linux community. So what would you say to the

01:44:58.609 --> 01:45:02.189
young Linux users that like wearing these suits?

01:45:02.329 --> 01:45:05.609
Do you think it's cool? I don't know. You only

01:45:05.609 --> 01:45:07.350
just told me about it. I don't know what to say.

01:45:07.390 --> 01:45:09.229
I don't know. I don't know, really. I've not

01:45:09.229 --> 01:45:11.710
seen walking around the street in those suits.

01:45:12.750 --> 01:45:17.939
Oh, okay. Not wearing it. Okay. Now, Andrea,

01:45:18.140 --> 01:45:20.659
I really appreciate the time that you shared

01:45:20.659 --> 01:45:22.800
with us. Let me tell you how long we've been

01:45:22.800 --> 01:45:26.039
here. You said that you wanted us to stay here

01:45:26.039 --> 01:45:28.399
for like... The thing is, I talk and talk and

01:45:28.399 --> 01:45:30.399
talk. People say I talk a lot and I keep people

01:45:30.399 --> 01:45:32.560
on the phone a long time and I keep people in

01:45:32.560 --> 01:45:34.380
conversation a long time. I do talk and talk

01:45:34.380 --> 01:45:36.439
and talk. That's what people have told me. But

01:45:36.439 --> 01:45:39.119
that is awesome. I really appreciate everything

01:45:39.119 --> 01:45:41.819
that you shared with us. We didn't cover anything

01:45:41.819 --> 01:45:44.039
technical, really, did we? I mean, I just...

01:45:45.340 --> 01:45:49.960
We talked about a lot of technical stuff. You

01:45:49.960 --> 01:45:53.000
shared with us that... I'm not a computer tech.

01:45:53.060 --> 01:45:55.880
I mean, DistroTube is an expert. Linux Mint isn't.

01:45:55.880 --> 01:45:59.739
I mean, Linux Mint. Linux Mint. That's how you

01:45:59.739 --> 01:46:03.579
pronounce it. Linux Mint is an expert. You know

01:46:03.579 --> 01:46:07.539
it's a good channel if you want advice on how

01:46:07.539 --> 01:46:09.560
to get the best out of Windows. Bright Tech.

01:46:09.779 --> 01:46:11.859
I want to mention that Bright Tech is a good

01:46:11.859 --> 01:46:14.119
channel. You know Bright Tech 209 because...

01:46:14.350 --> 01:46:18.409
Brytek does videos about Windows 11. Windows

01:46:18.409 --> 01:46:22.470
11 is a disaster, but he tries to make the best

01:46:22.470 --> 01:46:29.109
of a bad job because he tries to offer support

01:46:29.109 --> 01:46:31.930
for Windows users who want to stay on Windows

01:46:31.930 --> 01:46:34.350
to try and get the best out of it. But with Windows

01:46:34.350 --> 01:46:37.869
11, that's not easy because Windows 11... There's

01:46:37.869 --> 01:46:39.789
a lot of things you can't do on there, and it's

01:46:39.789 --> 01:46:43.510
not an operating system that's easy to use. He

01:46:43.510 --> 01:46:46.350
also does videos about Linux. Brytek has been

01:46:46.350 --> 01:46:48.310
doing a lot of videos about Linux. What's the

01:46:48.310 --> 01:46:51.329
channel? If you want any advice or tutorials

01:46:51.329 --> 01:46:54.390
about how to use Windows 11, because you can't

01:46:54.390 --> 01:46:57.029
use it if you ever want to use Windows 11, Brytek

01:46:57.029 --> 01:46:59.930
is a good channel to watch. He has a lot of useful

01:46:59.930 --> 01:47:02.430
tips and tricks of how to get the best of Windows

01:47:02.430 --> 01:47:05.569
11. Which one? This one? He's been going for

01:47:05.569 --> 01:47:08.579
years. Brytek, yeah. Oh, okay. I found it. Okay.

01:47:08.720 --> 01:47:12.500
Okay. So it's Windows related stuff, right? Yeah.

01:47:12.680 --> 01:47:15.699
So if you have to choose then, which one is your

01:47:15.699 --> 01:47:18.739
favorite operating system, Windows or Linux?

01:47:20.060 --> 01:47:23.619
Well, I used to like Windows when we had Windows

01:47:23.619 --> 01:47:26.300
7. When we had Windows XP and Windows Vista,

01:47:26.300 --> 01:47:28.539
I used to like it. But of course, that's gone

01:47:28.539 --> 01:47:31.359
now. We can't use it. It's end of life. My favorite

01:47:31.359 --> 01:47:34.000
operating system now is Debian, second Linux

01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:36.479
Mint, but I won't be using Windows. I've never

01:47:36.479 --> 01:47:38.539
used Windows 11 and Windows 10, and I certainly

01:47:38.539 --> 01:47:40.680
won't be getting rid of Linux for Windows. I

01:47:40.680 --> 01:47:43.479
won't be switching to Windows 11. So I'm here

01:47:43.479 --> 01:47:45.939
to stay on Linux. So I'm going to be using Debian

01:47:45.939 --> 01:47:49.579
or Linux Mint. I don't know of any other operating

01:47:49.579 --> 01:47:53.909
system. I mean, that's the good thing about virtual

01:47:53.909 --> 01:47:56.630
machines. I've discovered Virtual Manager, and

01:47:56.630 --> 01:47:58.789
you can test out operating systems in virtual

01:47:58.789 --> 01:48:00.649
machines, which means you can test it out in

01:48:00.649 --> 01:48:02.750
a virtual machine before you install it on your

01:48:02.750 --> 01:48:05.090
computer. There is another way, and that is to

01:48:05.090 --> 01:48:08.329
boot the live CD. Well, you should always do

01:48:08.329 --> 01:48:10.210
that anyway, because just because it works in

01:48:10.210 --> 01:48:11.729
a virtual machine, it doesn't mean it's going

01:48:11.729 --> 01:48:14.170
to work on your computer. So even though you

01:48:14.170 --> 01:48:16.189
try it out in a virtual machine to get an idea

01:48:16.189 --> 01:48:18.850
of it. You should always boot the live CD before

01:48:18.850 --> 01:48:20.770
you commit yourself to installing it because

01:48:20.770 --> 01:48:23.010
once you've wiped the drive, that's it. Although,

01:48:23.050 --> 01:48:24.810
of course, you can put the old operating system

01:48:24.810 --> 01:48:28.390
back. But, I mean, I think Debian is best, you

01:48:28.390 --> 01:48:30.109
know. I think that seems to be the best one.

01:48:30.270 --> 01:48:34.250
It seems to... Yeah, Debian. Linux Mint. But

01:48:34.250 --> 01:48:36.989
what I would like to see on Linux Mint is a minimal

01:48:36.989 --> 01:48:39.750
install because with Linux Mint, you get a lot

01:48:39.750 --> 01:48:42.050
of software like media players and other things

01:48:42.050 --> 01:48:44.760
you don't want. But Ubuntu has something called

01:48:44.760 --> 01:48:46.960
a minimum install, where you just get the Ubuntu

01:48:46.960 --> 01:48:49.520
GNOME desktop, and then you install your own

01:48:49.520 --> 01:48:51.960
media player, your own office suite, your own

01:48:51.960 --> 01:48:54.880
paint program, and your own... Linux Mint doesn't

01:48:54.880 --> 01:48:57.880
have that. With Linux Mint, you get a choice

01:48:57.880 --> 01:49:00.859
of Cinema, Mate, or XFC, but it will install

01:49:00.859 --> 01:49:03.300
the whole lot, everything. So if you don't want

01:49:03.300 --> 01:49:06.739
Kellyroid media player or some other media players

01:49:06.739 --> 01:49:09.739
they have, or the XF, you spend about an hour

01:49:09.739 --> 01:49:11.840
unpicking all the software and then installing

01:49:11.840 --> 01:49:14.729
all your own. So with Debian, I just installed

01:49:14.729 --> 01:49:17.550
a minimal desktop like Cinnamon Core, Make Desktop

01:49:17.550 --> 01:49:20.289
Environment Core, and then cherry -picked the

01:49:20.289 --> 01:49:22.649
software I want. That's how I do it. No Flashback

01:49:22.649 --> 01:49:24.710
is a minimal desktop anyway, so it installs a

01:49:24.710 --> 01:49:26.949
full desktop, but it doesn't come... Well, the

01:49:26.949 --> 01:49:29.590
media player I select myself, it comes with some

01:49:29.590 --> 01:49:31.810
other things, but I don't mind G -Edit because

01:49:31.810 --> 01:49:35.609
I like G -Edit. G -Edit's fine. Oh, okay. Awesome.

01:49:35.710 --> 01:49:38.770
Okay, Andrea, any final words that you want to

01:49:38.770 --> 01:49:41.859
share with the audience so we wrap it up? Any

01:49:41.859 --> 01:49:45.140
final? If you're going to switch to Linux, I

01:49:45.140 --> 01:49:47.479
think the best one for a new user is Linux Mint

01:49:47.479 --> 01:49:49.460
because that's where I started. That's what got

01:49:49.460 --> 01:49:51.539
me into Linux because Linux Mint has a lot of

01:49:51.539 --> 01:49:54.659
graphical tools and also Debian for new users.

01:49:54.760 --> 01:49:57.119
But if you're going to install Debian, install

01:49:57.119 --> 01:50:00.779
the full desktop environment. Don't install from

01:50:00.779 --> 01:50:03.100
the live CD because they say the repositories

01:50:03.100 --> 01:50:05.159
are missing. But if you're going to install Debian,

01:50:05.260 --> 01:50:07.800
use the net install. And when you get to the

01:50:07.800 --> 01:50:10.539
installer where it asks you which desktop environment

01:50:10.539 --> 01:50:13.619
you want, you have a choice of GNOME, Flashback

01:50:13.619 --> 01:50:16.460
or X. XFC, you know, tick the desktop you want.

01:50:16.579 --> 01:50:18.439
So if you want to install Cinnamon, you select

01:50:18.439 --> 01:50:20.680
Cinnamon from the Net Install. Or if you want

01:50:20.680 --> 01:50:23.359
to install just, you select that from the Net

01:50:23.359 --> 01:50:26.100
Install. Or if you want to install KDE, you select

01:50:26.100 --> 01:50:28.359
KDE from the Net Install and do it that way.

01:50:28.460 --> 01:50:30.239
So if we're going to install Debian as a new

01:50:30.239 --> 01:50:32.960
user, download the Net Install and you get a

01:50:32.960 --> 01:50:35.159
graphical installer. And then they ask you which

01:50:35.159 --> 01:50:37.300
desktop environment you want. Select the desktop

01:50:37.300 --> 01:50:43.340
environment and then that's it. Awesome. Any

01:50:43.340 --> 01:50:48.500
final words? It doesn't matter if it's the Ubuntu

01:50:48.500 --> 01:50:51.060
version or the LMDE version. You can either install

01:50:51.060 --> 01:50:54.079
LMDE or the Ubuntu version. There isn't any difference

01:50:54.079 --> 01:50:55.960
because they're both exactly the same, except

01:50:55.960 --> 01:50:58.239
one's based on Debian, one's based on Ubuntu.

01:50:58.300 --> 01:51:00.460
But both versions of Linux Mint are the same.

01:51:00.479 --> 01:51:02.100
There aren't any difference, not in my opinion.

01:51:02.260 --> 01:51:03.819
They're the same. You get the same graphical

01:51:03.819 --> 01:51:06.100
tools and everything you do. And you can install

01:51:06.100 --> 01:51:08.819
the driving manager on Linux Mint LMDE because

01:51:08.819 --> 01:51:10.539
I've tried that as well. That tweak works well.

01:51:10.899 --> 01:51:17.189
Okay. Any final words on Fedora? Fedora 43, I'd

01:51:17.189 --> 01:51:18.989
say give it a miss. If you're thinking of trying

01:51:18.989 --> 01:51:21.550
Fedora 43, I'd say give it a miss. But when you

01:51:21.550 --> 01:51:23.329
install it, you'll see it's not working. You'll

01:51:23.329 --> 01:51:25.270
have the same experience as I have. Well, I made

01:51:25.270 --> 01:51:27.890
a video about it, so you'll see that. Okay, awesome.

01:51:28.130 --> 01:51:30.430
So I'm going to leave your channel in the video

01:51:30.430 --> 01:51:32.949
description so all of these guys can go and subscribe.

01:51:33.229 --> 01:51:35.609
I don't have a lot of subscribers. I just have

01:51:35.609 --> 01:51:38.289
a few. You have way more. But really appreciate

01:51:38.289 --> 01:51:40.960
your time. you wasn't a Linux user until you

01:51:40.960 --> 01:51:43.100
told me. I just assumed that you did use Linux.

01:51:43.560 --> 01:51:47.319
I scammed you. So you got scammed. I think I

01:51:47.319 --> 01:51:49.560
saw you on DistroTube because I was watching

01:51:49.560 --> 01:51:52.399
DistroTube and I did an interview with a Mac

01:51:52.399 --> 01:51:54.500
user. I think that was you, wasn't it? Yeah,

01:51:54.500 --> 01:51:57.640
that was me. I was also on Brody. You're that

01:51:57.640 --> 01:51:59.960
Mac user that was on DistroTube. I didn't know

01:51:59.960 --> 01:52:03.899
that. Yeah, it was me. I was also on Brody. Why

01:52:03.899 --> 01:52:06.279
didn't you use Linux? Why Mac OS? Why don't you

01:52:06.279 --> 01:52:09.189
use Linux? Why not Linux? Why are you using Linux?

01:52:10.689 --> 01:52:13.829
Okay, let me try to explain. Give me one minute,

01:52:13.949 --> 01:52:18.819
okay? One minute. Okay, so... I started in macOS

01:52:18.819 --> 01:52:21.920
at my previous job and I just got used to it.

01:52:22.000 --> 01:52:25.479
And I got so used to it that I don't want to

01:52:25.479 --> 01:52:29.460
migrate away from it. But I will at some point,

01:52:29.479 --> 01:52:31.699
eventually in the future, maybe. I thought that

01:52:31.699 --> 01:52:34.460
most workplaces use Windows 11 or Windows 10.

01:52:34.479 --> 01:52:36.460
I didn't think they had macOS because in England,

01:52:36.479 --> 01:52:38.720
most of the offices and the workplaces, they

01:52:38.720 --> 01:52:41.899
just use Windows 10 or Windows 11 or even Windows

01:52:41.899 --> 01:52:43.939
7 because a lot of places don't want to update,

01:52:44.079 --> 01:52:48.010
do they? Yeah, but at my previous position, since

01:52:48.010 --> 01:52:52.050
I played around with a lot of servers and all

01:52:52.050 --> 01:52:54.869
that stuff, they didn't have an option for Linux,

01:52:54.989 --> 01:52:58.170
but they did have an option for macOS. So they

01:52:58.170 --> 01:53:01.130
said you have to use macOS. So I used macOS.

01:53:01.229 --> 01:53:03.569
I got used to it. I wouldn't know where to start.

01:53:03.569 --> 01:53:05.569
If I had to use macOS, I wouldn't know where

01:53:05.569 --> 01:53:09.970
to start. You get used to it. The terminal is

01:53:09.970 --> 01:53:12.340
pretty... Pretty similar, you know, your commands.

01:53:12.460 --> 01:53:14.319
I didn't think you had to use the term in macOS.

01:53:14.439 --> 01:53:16.319
I thought it was like Windows, where you download

01:53:16.319 --> 01:53:20.279
software from the internet, no? It's pretty similar

01:53:20.279 --> 01:53:22.960
to Linux. You have package managers. There's

01:53:22.960 --> 01:53:24.439
a package manager that is called... You can download

01:53:24.439 --> 01:53:27.079
software from the internet on Linux. Of course

01:53:27.079 --> 01:53:28.840
you can download software from the internet on

01:53:28.840 --> 01:53:30.800
Linux. Not many people do because they prefer

01:53:30.800 --> 01:53:33.260
to use the package manager. But, I mean, downloading

01:53:33.260 --> 01:53:36.119
software from the internet is second nature to

01:53:36.119 --> 01:53:38.060
me. I think nothing of it because when I was

01:53:38.060 --> 01:53:40.260
on Windows, you know, if you want to install

01:53:40.260 --> 01:53:42.420
software, the only way to get software is to

01:53:42.420 --> 01:53:45.079
open a web browser and download... from the internet

01:53:45.079 --> 01:53:47.880
because, I mean, you do get software from Microsoft

01:53:47.880 --> 01:53:50.180
in the Windows Update, which is Microsoft software,

01:53:50.380 --> 01:53:53.199
but very, very few. We did get Windows Live Messenger,

01:53:53.399 --> 01:53:56.800
and I think we got Microsoft Silverlight or Internet

01:53:56.800 --> 01:53:59.180
Explorer, but that's all we got. If we wanted

01:53:59.180 --> 01:54:03.020
anything else, we had to open up our web browser

01:54:03.020 --> 01:54:05.500
and download from the internet, and we used to

01:54:05.500 --> 01:54:07.359
have to use Internet Explorer. So if Internet

01:54:07.359 --> 01:54:10.579
Explorer didn't work, then you had it, basically.

01:54:11.340 --> 01:54:13.260
Well, I think they use Microsoft Edge now. I

01:54:13.260 --> 01:54:14.819
think they've got Microsoft Edge and Internet

01:54:14.819 --> 01:54:16.699
Explorer. I don't know if they've still got Internet

01:54:16.699 --> 01:54:19.020
Explorer 11 or if they're using Microsoft Edge

01:54:19.020 --> 01:54:21.319
now on Windows 10 and 11 because I haven't got

01:54:21.319 --> 01:54:24.119
Windows 10 and 11. I didn't even get as far as

01:54:24.119 --> 01:54:26.560
to look around Windows 11 because on my new laptop,

01:54:26.680 --> 01:54:28.920
when I looked at it, I couldn't even get around

01:54:28.920 --> 01:54:30.779
the desktop. I couldn't do anything with it.

01:54:30.979 --> 01:54:34.739
I couldn't navigate or do anything. It wasn't

01:54:34.739 --> 01:54:36.779
a proper start menu. It was worse than Windows

01:54:36.779 --> 01:54:39.000
8, Windows 11. I couldn't use it. I hated it.

01:54:40.239 --> 01:54:44.359
Yeah. No, but it's, I will try Linux. You know,

01:54:44.399 --> 01:54:46.439
I installed Arch. It wasn't very far on Windows

01:54:46.439 --> 01:54:48.680
11 at all. I couldn't even turn the computer

01:54:48.680 --> 01:54:53.199
off. It was terrible. Yeah, just baited. Okay.

01:54:53.260 --> 01:54:55.279
If I had to use Windows 11, I'd feel very bad.

01:54:55.340 --> 01:54:56.680
I wouldn't like it. And I don't like Windows

01:54:56.680 --> 01:55:00.500
7. Windows 7, if I had to use Windows. But that's

01:55:00.500 --> 01:55:03.159
gone now, isn't it? Yeah, Windows 7 is gone.

01:55:03.640 --> 01:55:06.890
XP is gone. XP was good, you know, but. Windows

01:55:06.890 --> 01:55:09.569
XP, Windows Vista, Windows 2000, Windows 98,

01:55:09.569 --> 01:55:11.590
where are they? Why don't they bring them back?

01:55:11.829 --> 01:55:14.710
Yeah, like in the old days, right? Yeah, put

01:55:14.710 --> 01:55:17.229
them back in the shops that we can use. But they

01:55:17.229 --> 01:55:19.090
won't work on this computer. They're too old,

01:55:19.130 --> 01:55:20.670
aren't they? They're probably too old, aren't

01:55:20.670 --> 01:55:23.229
they, to work? They work. Let's call them Invertful

01:55:23.229 --> 01:55:24.970
Machine and play around with them there, yeah?

01:55:25.229 --> 01:55:27.770
Yeah, they work, but probably your browser is

01:55:27.770 --> 01:55:29.390
not going to work that well. Let's call them

01:55:29.390 --> 01:55:31.630
Invertful Machine and just play around with them

01:55:31.630 --> 01:55:34.090
there, but Invertful Machine won't work. But

01:55:34.090 --> 01:55:37.310
that's about it. Oh, man. Okay, Andrea, thank

01:55:37.310 --> 01:55:39.970
you very much. Really appreciate your time. Thanks

01:55:39.970 --> 01:55:42.689
for having me. Thank you very much. Are we going

01:55:42.689 --> 01:55:45.550
to speak live? I'm sorry? When is this going

01:55:45.550 --> 01:55:47.789
to be live on YouTube? This is going to be live.

01:55:47.890 --> 01:55:52.329
Today is Tuesday on, let me think, Tuesday on

01:55:52.329 --> 01:55:55.510
Friday. I'm going to edit the video and I'm going

01:55:55.510 --> 01:55:57.609
to post it on Friday. Let me ask you something.

01:56:02.890 --> 01:56:06.630
Do you want ads or no ads in the video? I don't

01:56:06.630 --> 01:56:08.569
want adverts because we're going to be interrupted.

01:56:08.710 --> 01:56:10.710
How are people going to listen to me if we're

01:56:10.710 --> 01:56:13.550
getting ruined by adverts? I mean, how are people

01:56:13.550 --> 01:56:15.130
not going to listen to us if we're going to be

01:56:15.130 --> 01:56:17.689
interrupted every five minutes with adverts?

01:56:17.930 --> 01:56:21.250
They can't hear us, can they? And that puts me

01:56:21.250 --> 01:56:23.229
off of watching many videos because sometimes

01:56:23.229 --> 01:56:25.029
when I watch a video, because of the adverts,

01:56:25.130 --> 01:56:27.430
I just turn it off because the adverts just drive

01:56:27.430 --> 01:56:29.930
me crazy. They drive me mad, you know? They drive

01:56:29.930 --> 01:56:32.920
me mad. Okay. We're going to remove the ads in

01:56:32.920 --> 01:56:35.579
the middle. No ads in the middle at all. Okay.

01:56:36.960 --> 01:56:41.159
Anyway, what is your job? Are you an office worker?

01:56:41.300 --> 01:56:43.640
Do you work in computers? What is your job anyway?

01:56:44.000 --> 01:56:47.680
Are you working in IT? Currently, I am a network

01:56:47.680 --> 01:56:50.319
engineer. I work with the network equipment,

01:56:50.520 --> 01:56:52.079
basically. Do you work for Microsoft or work

01:56:52.079 --> 01:56:54.739
for Mac or do you work for Linux? No, I work

01:56:54.739 --> 01:57:00.369
on Windows, actually. Oh, you work for Microsoft.

01:57:00.810 --> 01:57:02.869
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't work for

01:57:02.869 --> 01:57:07.670
Microsoft. I use Windows. I'm sorry. I use Windows.

01:57:08.350 --> 01:57:11.069
Windows 11. You didn't invent Windows 11 by any

01:57:11.069 --> 01:57:15.229
chance. I use Windows at my current job, but

01:57:15.229 --> 01:57:19.149
I have to go into network equipment like routers,

01:57:19.149 --> 01:57:22.289
switches, firewalls. I have to go into devices

01:57:22.289 --> 01:57:26.739
and... and do stuff in there you know but yeah

01:57:26.739 --> 01:57:29.699
i'm a network engineer at the moment but yeah

01:57:29.699 --> 01:57:32.340
thanks andrea really appreciate it i'm gonna

01:57:32.340 --> 01:57:34.880
release the video on friday and i'll share it

01:57:34.880 --> 01:57:39.439
with you okay yeah okay bye chat bye everyone

01:57:39.439 --> 01:57:41.159
thank you bye