I mean, why would I want to use macOS? I think
it's probably worse than Windows. Aren't there
more restrictions? I don't even know what macOS
looks like anyway or how to use it. I don't know
how to use it. Let me show you macOS real quick.
Don't use it. What are you using, Devlin? No.
No, I use macOS. But you commented on my Linux
channel. I thought you was a Linux user like
me. You're not a Linux user. No, I use Linux.
I thought you was using Linux like us. It is
Debian 12 Bookworm. Well, that's an old version.
You need to update. That's old stable. You need
to upgrade now. You need to upgrade to Debian
Trixie. Why haven't you upgraded it? Hey, Andrea,
and I've heard a lot of people that say that
Debian is a legacy distro and that it only has
old packages. Would you say that is true? Well,
not Debi and Trixie. I think they've changed
a lot. I think it maybe was true in past versions.
Learn Linux TV, but he's got nothing but praise
for Fedora. I personally hate Fedora 43. Fedora
43 is unusable, isn't it? I mean, it doesn't
work, does it? It doesn't work. But I think...
It doesn't work. It doesn't work. I'm lucky with
X11. I don't want it to go. I want to stay on
X11. I don't want Wayland because Wayland doesn't
work. I don't like Pop! OS. I think it's overrated.
I mean, on my laptops, I've got different desktop
environments. This one's got the name Flashback.
This one's got Budgie. The pink laptop. And then
another advert plays. It's getting ridiculous
now. It's getting frigging ridiculous. You know,
the adverts are just nothing but annoying. It
drives me mad. I hate them. And do you want to
share with us? What do you do for a living or
you want to keep that private? A Debian, Ubuntu
or a Debian -based operation. The thing is with
Ubuntu, the only thing is you have to have snaps,
don't you? What do you think about Gentoo and
the furries? Have you seen the furries? There's
a lot of Linux users that wear these suits. And
I didn't even know that you wasn't a Linux user
until you told me. I just assumed that you did
use Linux. I scammed you. So you got scammed.
I think I saw you on DistroTube because I was
watching DistroTube and you did an interview
with a Mac user. I think that was you, wasn't
it? Yeah, that was me. If you're listening to
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All right, so let's get started with this chapter
then. Are you ready to start? Yeah. One, two,
three, start. Let's go. Okay. So, hey, everyone.
I have Andrea Borman here with me today. Is that
how you pronounce it? Andrea Borman. Yeah. Borman.
Yeah. Borman. That is how you pronounce it. Definitely.
Yeah. Okay. Awesome. Thanks for joining us, Andrea.
How are you doing tonight? Well, as you know,
a bit about myself. Well, I used to use Windows.
And, well, I started my computer life pretty
much the same as what everybody else did. I started
with Windows XP. And, you know, I first found
out about how to use a computer. Believe it or
not, I learned from the person sitting next to
me in the Internet cap. Well, he was also, you
know, helping out in the shop as well, in an
Internet cap in a shopping center in London.
And the computers were Windows XP, and that's
where I started. But it was another year before
I learned to do email. And then in 2010, when
I moved here, I got my own computer. The first
computer was a netbook with Windows 7. So it
was Windows 7 and Windows XP user and used Windows
Vista. Well, how I came to Linux was, my story
is pretty much the same as everybody else's.
I love Windows 7, Windows XP and Windows Vista,
but then everything changed when Microsoft introduced
Windows 8. It had no start menu. It had the retro
theme. But I tried to make the best of it. I
installed this software called Classic Shell,
which is supposed to bring back the Windows 7
start menu. But then, because I was running it
on a netbook, I always ran 32 -bit Windows, never
64 -bit on these netbooks. It came with Windows
7 starter that I would install my own upgrade
to Windows 7 Home Premium or install. a clean
install of Windows with Home Premium and Windows
8. But with Windows 8, I found I was stuck on
it because I couldn't upgrade to Windows 8 .1
because you had to do that through the Microsoft
Store. And because I was running Windows 8 on
a netbook, you can't run Metro apps on a netbook.
So I was stuck on Windows 8 .0, couldn't upgrade
to Windows 8 .1. I did try the RTM version of
Windows 8 .1 that was better, but it was only
valid for... was it three months and then it
expired so it had to go back to Windows 8 because
you know this you can use it for so many days
without activation I think it's three months
and then after that you can I think you can press
the rearm command but another three months and
then but I mean after that it expires and then
all the features screen turns black and the features
disappear so then you have to do your reinstall
don't you or go back to what you was using and
Anyway, I was using Windows 8 for years and years.
I did use Linux on and off, because in 2010,
when I had Windows 7, my first operating system
was Linux Mint 9, GNOME edition, which is very
much like my GNOME flashback, except it had the
Mint Mint. It's a bit like the Marte desktop.
Well, exactly like the Marte desktop, because
the Marte desktop is a clone of, what is it?
Linux of GNOME 2, isn't it? The Mate desktop
is a clone of GNOME 2. Even the file manager
on the Mate desktop, Kaja, is a clone of the
old Nautilus, isn't it? Anyway, I started on
Linux Mint 9, but I wasn't serious about switching.
So I was using Windows 7, and then I kept Linux
Mint on a separate computer and wasn't using
very much. And I did have one computer that I
bought in 2015 that was 64 -bit. And I installed
Linux Mint 17, but that was XFC. But I mostly
use it for playing with VirtualBox, and I was
silly enough to install Wine and Internet Explorer
6. Why I did that, I don't know. Not a very good
thing to do on Linux, is it? Because it's still...
And then I was still using Windows 8 and Windows
7, and then... Over the course of time, Windows
8 got very, very slow, even when they ended support
for Windows 7. I don't know when they ended it.
Was it 2020 or something? I kept on using it.
And then after a time, they stopped supporting
the Firefox web browser and the web browser and
a lot of software for Windows 7, and they did
the same for Windows 8. But things got worse
on Windows 8 because it was getting slower and
slower and slower. I wasn't able to do basic
things. I would go onto a website. And the adverts
would just make it crash. I'd be in the middle
of doing something on a website, even shopping
online, and the whole thing would crash. So I
thought to myself, well, you know. I didn't want
to use Linux before because I had this thing
you have to log in with a password, but then
don't you have to do that on Windows 11? No,
you don't. I thought, well, what if I were to
try Linux Mint? Because most people, they don't
really put a serious password in. They get around
the password thing by putting in a two -letter
password or a one -letter password like yes and
no. Because you're forced to have a password
in Linux. But a lot of people just put the two
-letter password in and use a word they'll never
forget, like one, two, or yes or no. Or one,
one. That way. I mean, on Windows 11, you know,
you can't even log in without a Microsoft account.
I mean, when there was ending support for Windows
7 and 8, it was either upgrade to Windows 10
or 11, which I didn't want to do. So on my 64
-bit computer, what if I tried Linux Mint? You
know, because all the software is there. You
know, because I said to myself, look, all I want
to do is, you know, use the websites and do email
and go on the websites. And I can't do any of
those things on Windows 8 because it's constantly
cracking. And Google Chrome is no longer supported
now. They were dropping support for Google Chrome
on Windows 8, and they did the same for Firefox,
and they did the same with Windows 7. So if I
stayed on there, it's using an outdated browser.
So I tried Linux Mint XFC. I think it was 20
.3, and I liked it. And then after that, I decided
to try KDE. I installed KDE on Linux Mint, the
Kavanto desktop, and I removed the XFC. The only
thing was, the one thing that was putting me
back was, Linux, by this time, you know, this
was 2022. Most Linux operating systems have stopped
support for... 32 -bit computers. I still have
my 32 -bit netbooks. Most of them I never use
because I was going through this phrase about
this silly thing of stocking up on Windows 7
computers so I won't get stuck with Windows 8
because I bought them about 10 years before at
a time when I didn't know how to install operating
systems because I started out with very limited
experience on computers. If you read my post
on the forum, on the Windows forum, you'll see
that I gradually... I think I taught myself or
I just learned on the web. And then anyway, what
was it? What do your friends? Debian was 32 -bit,
so I tried putting Debian on my netbooks. I tried
Sparky Linux, but I didn't realize that no matter
what I did, even though it was a 32 -bit operating
system, because the netbooks were very, very
slow, because a netbook made for Windows 7 starter.
I mean, I was constantly being told on the Windows
forums, even as far back as in 2012, that the
reason why I was having problems with Windows
8 is because I was running it on a netbook and
that I should get a full computer instead. Even
if it's 32 -bit, well, most computers, you can
either run 32 -bit or 64 -bit, but most operating
systems are 64 -bit. But I never used the 64
-bit Windows. I used 32 -bit because that's what
they had. Let me ask you something. Windows 10
was Windows 10 technical preview when it came
out in beta. I think they made a slight improvement
because you could use Metro apps on networks.
I didn't like Windows 10 because you had to have
automatic updates. You couldn't choose to install
updates manually or disable updates so that you
could check for them when you want them and install
when you want them. some of the things they were
taking more features out that were in windows
7 so i i stuck with windows 8 for this reason
but i wasn't even using the right version of
windows 8 because windows 8 zero was only supported
for a short time and then you're supposed to
upgrade to windows 8 one aren't you i think but
i didn't do that well i couldn't do that because
i was running it on a netbook and you had to
upgrade through the uh microsoft store you couldn't
upgrade through windows update and the microsoft
store is a metro app which doesn't work on netbooks
I have a question for you, Andrea. What do people
that know you think, or what do they say when
you tell them that you're using Linux? Well,
they already know because they watch my YouTube
videos. They already know because they see my
videos. They already know, don't they? Oh, so
you're pretty famous around your friends, right?
My YouTube channel is, you know, I've got Linux.
If you look at my early videos, the early videos
are about Windows. You know, the early videos
are about Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 8 and
Windows Vista. My later videos, the videos that
I've been doing for the past, is it nearly two
years, are about Linux. You know, I started using
Linux in 2022, but I didn't start making videos
about it until last year. Oh, where are we? Where
have we gone? Oh, here we are. Yep, here we are
in your channel. Yep, yep, yep. Let's look at
all these videos. I've been learning the power
of virtual machines with VertManager. I've installed
VertManager because a virtual bot, which used
to work in previous versions of Linux, doesn't
work. Mm -hmm. Fedora 43 is the worst operating
system I've tried. I'm not just baffling Fedora
and trying to say that. It is. Nothing works
in Fedora. I tried it in live CD on my laptop,
which is a good testing ground. I didn't install
it. It didn't work, and I didn't just try the
buggy spin. I tried others as well. Okay, so
Fedora. The graphics manager don't work, does
it? You see it. You look at the video, and you
see it. And what do you think about Arch? I've
never used it, but I think I tried to install
it. I think I downloaded the disk and tried to
install it. It was all command line, so I didn't
get very far. Couldn't do anything. And then
I think I tried it out in Arch in something called
distro C. And even when you use it in distro
C, you have to enter commands. Well, there's
been talk of malware in the org. It's happened
several times this year, hasn't it? You know,
so I mean, I don't think Arch is, I mean, if
there's malware on Arch in the ore, then it's
because all the, I think any user can upload
to the ore, but on Debian and Ubuntu, they don't
allow that because only the maintainers of Debian
and Ubuntu are allowed to put software in the
repositories. You can install your own software
on your own computer, but you can't add to their
repositories unless you're a developer. on Debian
and Ubuntu, but in Arch it seems to be different,
doesn't it? Yeah, I was trying to make Windows
8 behave like Windows XP. Maybe that was a mistake.
You're not really supposed to. It's not something
they recommend, is it? Uh -huh, okay. It's not
something they really recommend, is it? Yeah,
these are the old videos. Seven years ago, I
see here seven years ago. How long ago did you
start? Well, they go as far back as 2009. 2009.
When did you start? Why did you start a YouTube
channel, Andrea? Well, I just liked it. A lot
of people were doing it. You know, I started
out for fun and then I started making... Oh,
yeah, they didn't like my views on the Windows
Forum. On the Windows Forum, they hate it when
you tell them you don't use antivirus software.
And they didn't like me backing Windows 8. I
got into trouble for calling Windows 8, Windows
8 Nightmares preview. Because when they had Windows
8 Consumer Preview, they took away the start
menu, and I was saying more Windows 8 Nightmares
preview. But everybody on the Windows Forum was
saying how wonderful Windows 8 and how... Better
it is and all that. And I couldn't see it. I
like Windows 7 and Windows XP, but they changed
everything in Windows 8. I mean, it didn't have
a start. I mean, on Linux, you look at the operating
systems on Linux, the desktop. You look at Cinnamon,
Marte, GNOME, Flashback, KDE, Xfce, even LXD
and LXQt. They've all got that traditional start
menu. Yet on Windows, you know, it's ironic that...
On Linux, we have the traditional start menu
that we're used to, but on Windows, Windows 11,
well, Windows 11, my two new, oh, yeah, I got
rid of my netbooks now. I just want to tell you,
I got rid of those 32 -bit netbooks. I haven't
got them anymore. I threw them out. Well, the
battery stopped working anyway, so I had to use
it with a plug -in charger, so they were very,
very old. Oh, yeah. And also, they're no use
anyway because netbooks only run 32 -bit, and
there isn't any Linux that's 32 -bit. Debian.
Well, the last ones to support 32 -bit, but now
in Debian Trixie, there's no more 32 -bit. So
if you've got a 32 -bit computer, then you have
to buy a new computer because they don't support
that. I would never be able to run Linux on those
netbooks because they don't support 64 -bit.
A Windows 7 starter netbook does not support
64 -bit. Full stop, it doesn't, does it? And
what is your favorite distro then, Debian? Yeah,
it is now. I started off with Linux Mint. But
the thing is with Linux Mint is they don't have
a minimum install because Linux Mint is a very
good desktop. But, you know, the software it
comes with, like Celluloid and the other media
players, I don't like that. I like VLC. I don't
necessarily want a full Office 3. I might just
want to use Abbey Word. You know, I mean, on
Windows, you had something like WordPad. You
have a paint program. And what else do you have?
Notepad. Well, to get that on Linux, install
Abbey Word, the equivalent of Notepad. Install
one of the paint programs like Drawing or Cola
Paint or XPaint. But there's many paint programs.
Install the gedit for your Notepad text editor
and denumerate to read spreadsheets. For your
PDF viewer, Evans or Attrill or something like
that. But, I mean, LibreOffice is like Microsoft
Office, but if you're not doing a lot of office
work, then installing the individual programs
like Abbey Word, Genumeric and Evans and G -Edit
is fine. Do you miss... They never seem to come
with a paint program. They always forget the
paint program, don't they? Yeah. Always have
to install the paint program. Oh, Linux comes
with a paint program. It comes with drawing.
Oh, do you miss... Do you miss anything? Linux
Mint comes with drawing. Linux Mint comes with
drawing. Oh, awesome. Do you miss anything on
Windows? No. Well, all of the software we had
on Windows is all on Linux, isn't there? Because
there's a Linux version of Firefox. There's a
Linux version of Google Chrome. A Linux version
of Chromium. Although most people on Windows
use Google Chrome. There's a Linux version of
everything. Thunderbirds. Well, LibreOffice.
It's the free version of Office. You can use
that on Windows. I never used Microsoft Office
because you've got to pay for it. I mean, the
old versions of Microsoft Office were very old
ones with the CD key, but that was just for fun.
I mean, you wouldn't use Microsoft Office 97
for your day -to -day tasks, would you, on Windows?
That was just for fun. I installed it on Windows
8. I had to buy new laptops. The sacrifice I
made was I had to get rid of my 32 -bit netbooks
because they were no good for Linux because they
only ran 32 bits. So I bought two laptops. I
bought a new laptop. What did I buy? It came
with Windows 11. So I logged into it because
I thought I had to, but I took one look at it
and I hated it. It was like Windows 8. It couldn't
find, or worse actually, it couldn't find where
the start menu was. Oh, it was worse than Windows
8 because I had to create a Microsoft account
that I knew that I wasn't going to use just to
log into it because it wouldn't let me set it
up without a Microsoft account. Well, shall I
show you my laptops that I got? Do you want to
see them? Oh, yeah, of course. I want to see
them. Do you have them there? I'm sure you got...
I got this one. You can't see that because...
I don't know if you can see it. It's a lot of
clues for the camera. An old one, isn't it? Yeah,
yeah, I see it. I can see it. A little bit. The
back of it. Maybe you can't. Oh, yeah, I see
it. It's one of the older laptops. Well, where
have we gone? I'll just go and get my new, just
to show you an example, the new laptop that I
bought. All right. We'll be waiting here. I'm
just outside the room. This is the new laptop
that I bought two years ago. It's 125 gigabytes.
The trouble is it's got a built -in battery,
so if it hangs, you can't switch it off. You
press the button and you can't. Normally, you
can pull the battery out to turn it off, but
you can't. Yeah, they're not as good as the old
laptops, are they? They've had Windows 11, which
can run Debian and all of the modern apps. I
can use the built -in webcam because it's more
modern. It works better with the built -in webcam,
so this is nice. It's only a 125 gigabyte hard
drive, so it's not a very big hard drive, is
it? Not as big as what I'd like. Mm -hmm. It's
all right, that. It does. And what else have
we got? I've got four laptops, obviously, on
your site. Yeah, I was there. One... This is
one iPad. This is the laptop that I did my first
install of Linux Mint on, which I've had since
2014. It had 64 -bit Windows 8. One. Okay, you
still use it? Well, yes, it's got Debian with
the Budgie desktop. Okay, okay. It did have Debian
SID on it, but I've gone back to Debian stable
now. But you see, this, like the other one, is
an older laptop. You can remove the battery.
And I think for Linux, the older laptops are
better because the new laptops, it's like touching...
It's like touching... Oh, it's like... Where
are we? It's like touching... It's like touch
and go because you don't know if they're going
to run Linux a lot. Some of the very new laptops
don't because you have to wait for Linux to update.
But the older laptops, you know they're going
to because they're slightly older. So the slightly
older laptops are better for running the Linux,
aren't they? And where's the other one? Let's
send you the other one. Ah, okay. So you have
an Apple 1, 2. The other one has got to be operating
system -wise because they had Devin Sinner. You
know, I clean wipe the drive and that'll probably
have Debian stable on it with this. Oh, okay.
Oh, but good. The built -in webcam doesn't work
on. You see, the two laptops I got, this one
and the blue one, was a reconditioned laptop
I bought in the shop. It was reconditioned, refurnished.
Okay. If you can see it, it's not very... I'm
not holding it up to the camera very well, am
I? Oh, I can see it. I can see it. It's nice.
It's pink. It's a nice color. Nice color. Yep.
And you can pull the battery out. The battery
comes out there. Let's put them in the drawer
so we don't damage them. We're going to put them
away. They don't sound like that. The laptop
I'm using now, which I'm making this recording
of, they... They don't sell those laptops anymore,
but they only sell the laptop which is like the
first one, you know, the flimsy ones, which are
not very good, are they? They're not very good,
are they? The build quality is not the same,
right? But the older laptops work better with
the plug -in webcam because the built -in webcam's
not very good. The pink one, the webcam, for
some reason, doesn't work. But, I mean, I don't
know. I mean, they work. I mean, the older laptops
perform Linux runs better because sometimes when
you buy a brand new laptop, you don't know if
it's going to run Linux on it because it's built
for Windows 11 and the brand new don't always.
Uh -huh. When I first bought a new laptop, I
didn't read the small print. I didn't realize
that the hard drive was only 64 -bit and so it
used to fill up very quickly. So if you install
snaps of blackpacks and even if you don't, I
got rid of that one. 64 -bit. Why are they selling
laptops for 64 -bit hard drive? It's stupid,
isn't it? How can you run Windows 11 on them,
which must take up more space? I don't understand
that, do you? You cannot. Why do you have so
many laptops? Like, do you like... Well, I suppose
you do need it. Well, I suppose you don't need
more than two, maybe in case one of them breaks
or something, gets broken. That's a backup. Well,
you probably just need two, don't you, in case
one breaks. But I don't have a smartphone. I
don't use a smartphone. Oh, no? Just laptops?
Well, I'll show you my mobile phone if you hold.
Just hold. I can't get it. Okay, okay. Oh, this
is my mobile phone. Oh, okay. One of the classic
ones, right? Well, I can receive phone calls
and text messages, but I certainly can't stand.
Oh, I had a problem with eBay because eBay is
no good now. Every time you try to log into eBay,
you know, you get locked out of your account
because, I mean, I have a, what is it? I have
a dynamic IP that keeps changing, so I have to
phone to get back into my account. And so they
said you can do verification with your mobile,
but you can only do it by scanning a QR with
your spot. the smartphone and i can't do and
that i can't do the impossible because i don't
have a smart i mean he's stupid i've given up
on ebay i mean these stupid websites i mean you
know i've not it's like facebook every time i
logged in they put me on two -tier altification
and i had to verify with my mobile but yeah well
you're gonna i had to because i don't get a signal
in here because i'm in a block of flats i had
to put this on the window ledge and uh it would
call my mobile number And, you know, I got sick
of Facebook because of that. And also it wasn't
very good. So I just deleted my account. And
with eBay, if you want to verify with your mobile,
you can only do that by scanning with your QR
code. So every time I log into eBay, I have to
phone up customer service advisors from my landline
and they have to ring me back in order to get
back in my account. So how am I supposed to use
it? I'm glad they don't have that on YouTube
or I'd never get any. I don't know why. Websites
cause so many problems. Maybe they don't want
us to log into their website. You think they're
trying to log us out deliberately, perhaps? You
know, it's stupid, isn't it? Some of these websites,
I mean, I spoke to a woman on the phone. I've
got four computers. I've got a rolling IP address,
which is a dynamic. They said you should get
a static one. It's not safe to get static IP.
Our internet service provider gives everyone
dynamic IP. What a stupid thing to say, you know?
I mean, I don't want to. You know, I mean, you
should be able to log into a website without
having to jump through hoops like this. It's
just ridiculous. I mean, you know, you can verify
with your email address, even with Google, even
with Gmail, you can verify with your mobile phone.
I can't log into eBay. I can't do shopping on
eBay now because there's a problem with getting
into the website. Every time I want to get in,
I get locked out saying it's been blocked and
I have to ring customer service advisors and
speak to a customer service advisor. So it's
another way. Have you had that problem? I have
a smartphone. Do you have something against smartphones?
You don't like them or why do you? I don't even
know how to use a smartphone. Once one of my
neighbors knocked on my door. She bought a new
smartphone. And I said to her, well, she asked
me to help her use it. I said, well, where's
the keyboard? Because it doesn't have a keyboard.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's horrible. Yep. And I couldn't
help her. I don't know how to use a smartphone.
But I mean, if I've got a computer, if I've got
laptops, I don't have a computer because I'm
in a flat because computer, you can't move about.
I've got laptops. But if I've got laptops, why
do I need a smartphone to get online when I've
got a laptop? And you can take, I mean, when
I used to go on holiday a lot and stay in hotels,
I used to take my laptop to hotels and connect
to their public Wi -Fi. But you can still do
that with Linux because I've got wireless broadband,
so I can still connect to... public Wi -Fi in
coffee shops or in hotels. And I can take my
laptop to a hotel and I can still do that, can't
I, with Linux? Because it's got Wi -Fi. I've
got Firewall, which is a GUFW. I may have to
disable the Firewall because Firewall makes...
No, I think I should leave the Firewall turned
on if I'm using public network. But what I'm
saying is you can do everything with Linux and
what you could do with Windows 7. Well, I can't
use Windows 7 now. That's out, isn't it? It's
end of life. Yep, it's in the fly. Windows 11,
I don't even know how to use. I couldn't even
navigate where the start menu was. I couldn't
even find any of it. But if you're already on
Linux, going to Windows would feel like a downgrade.
I love all about Windows 11. When I first bought
my computer, I didn't even have a full operating
system because when I bought my computer, it
had Windows 11. It was called S mode, restricted
mode. They had instructions to get out of S mode,
which didn't work. I was glad to just wipe it
off my computer and install Linux Mint because
it came with Windows 11. These laptops came with
Windows 10, but I didn't bother to boot. Maybe
they put it on there, you know, whoever sold
it. I bought it from Two Second Hand. You know,
they've got a shop where we live, and it's got
reconditioned computers and things. They're two
reconditioned computers. I bought them from there,
reconditioned laptops, which were HP. And I had
Windows 10, which presumably the shop installed,
but I still use a DVD. I'm still doing it the
old -fashioned way, but maybe I should learn
to use a USB drive. Oh, what's happening to your
picture? Oh, there we go. I don't know. Something
happened to my computer. And let me ask you something,
Andrea. Do we need a smartphone? We've got a
computer. We've got a computer. I mean, how can
you view things and view things online with a
tiny phone? I mean, isn't using a laptop better?
Yeah, it is. But, you know, the way that society
is built now, they want us to have they want
to have us connected all the time. It's bad.
It's bad for us. Smartphone. I mean, when I tell
them I haven't got a smartphone, I mean, you
know, I've not been forced to have a smartphone
anywhere. I mean, I mean, they're changing me
to something called digital voice. And I told
him I haven't got a smartphone. But, well, I
mean, they said, well, I mean. My internet service
provider is for my broadband, so I can use a
computer laptop. The only difference is that
my landline is going to plug into my router.
It won't plug into the phone socket in the wall.
You know these copper lines where the phone line
is separate from the internet? Now it's going
to be together. I think you plug it into your
router, something like this. But they're coming
to check to change it. I mean, that has nothing
to do with smartphone. I don't have to have a
smartphone. There's no condition. You don't get
healthier. If you get a smartphone, you're going
to be hooked all the time. That's what happens
with all of us. I don't have to use a smartphone,
do I? Well, I mean, this mobile phone is only
for an emergency. When I go away from home or
when I'm out and about and someone wants to ring
me, they phone me. And it works, believe it or
not. I can see it. Yeah, I can see it. And it's
just for if I want to call taxes or I get text
messages, but it doesn't connect to the internet.
They do have these old ones that connect to the
internet, but they won't do very much. If someone
wants to ring me, they ring me on this. And if
they want to text me on this, but I need my land.
When I'm at home, I use a landline. I pay for
my service. So I just use a landline. So when
people ring me at home, I use a landline and
I've got an answering machine on the landline.
A mobile phone is only for when you're away from
home, isn't it? When you're not at home. Well,
I'm in a block of flats, so we can't get a signal
in here. I have to hold this out the window to
get a signal because we can't. We're next door
a hospital and it blocks the signal. Yeah, the
idea of smartphones is just that it's a small
computer. You still won't get a signal on it,
will you? Because it's still mobile, isn't it?
Yeah, you get signal. You can receive calls and
all that stuff. It's just like a... You can take
photographs with it. You can take photographs.
You know these old phones here. You can get these
with a webcam. These used to come with them.
Yeah, some of them. There's a site called ReFurnished
Phones. Some of these have built -in webcams,
but this one doesn't. These ones have a built
-in. This one hasn't got a webcam, but some of
these, they have a built -in webcam. Yeah, but
you don't. And the old ones have internet, but
they're just a... crude aren't they they connect
to the internet but you wouldn't really be able
to view anything because the browser and everything
would be very very old so you can get the old
ones aren't the old Nokia ones some of them did
do internet the reconditioned ones but it wouldn't
be like a smartphone you wouldn't get very far
in it would you yeah you don't need it just try
to go as far as you can with your phone and yeah
well I can take my laptop out and I can connect
to a wireless I can use it in a coffee shop But
I don't take it out because it might get stolen.
I wouldn't take a laptop. It's heavy to carry
around. I don't take my laptop out of the house
unless I go away on holiday or something like
this. Use it in the hotel room. When I used to
go on holiday a lot, I used to take my laptop
and use it in the hotel room. Do you want to
share with us a little bit? The hotels have Wi
-Fi, don't they, that you can connect to in the
hotel? They do. Do you want to share with us
a little bit about your background? Like, why
did you get started with computers? I don't know
if you want to share with us about your history,
your background. That was a total accident because
I'm, what am I? I'm 62. I was born in 1963. When
we went to school, we never learned computers.
We learned, I mean, you didn't always, well,
you don't even type in classes. Only a few people
were allowed to use, to go to the typing classes.
typing we had to learn when we left school but
i couldn't type but um it was my accident because
uh there used to be this shopping center It was
called Whiteleaf Shopping Centre in Queensway
and they had an internet cafe. This was back
in 2006 where you buy a little ticket. It was
called Easy Internet Cafe. You sit down and you
just go on the computer. And the man there that
was working there showed me how to use it. He
sat me down. If it hadn't have been for him,
I never would have learned how to use the computer
because when I went there before, I didn't have
a clue what to do. Couldn't even use the mouse.
But the man sat me down. He showed me how to
use the computer. He showed me how to get connected
with my ticket. You buy a ticket for £2 and then
go on it. You could get a day ticket, last year
a day, or was it two days? And then he showed
me how to log in. It was Windows XP and how to
use the web browser, which was Internet Explorer.
And then he showed me how to do email. So we
set up an email account eventually. Well, I was
doing everything in the internet, Cap, and then
when I moved here to my new flat in 2010, I decided
to buy a laptop. It was a netbook with Windows
7 starter. Maybe that wasn't a good move. I should
have bought a proper laptop, shouldn't I? Mm
-hmm. Yep, yep. The Windows 7 starter was very
crippled. You couldn't even change the wallpaper.
Yeah, yeah. And that's when you decided to start
a channel? What about you? Did you start off
on Windows as well, or have you never used Windows?
Yep, I did start on Windows 95. Oh, so you were
using it before me, because when I started to
use a computer, I mean, Windows XP was old anyway,
but most of the... They used to have a lot of
internet cats in England. All the internet cats
used Windows XP because they couldn't be bothered
upgrading to Windows 7, and I assume they didn't
upgrade to Windows Vista, which was there at
the time, because they had problems, but... All
the internet caps had Windows XP, or most of
them did. Only a few had Windows 7. But when
you bought a new computer in 2009, it was Windows
7. So I missed out on Windows 98, Windows 2000.
Always wanted to use it. But when I finally did
get Windows 2000 on one of my netbooks, which
was an MSI Win, which had the old, you could
switch to SATA drive, I didn't like it. And I
couldn't even get the graphics working because
the drivers wouldn't support it. When I did install
Windows 2000 in Virtual Machine, I thought, well,
it's not all that great, is it? So when I installed
it, I realized it wasn't really all that great.
No, it was great when that was the only option
available. Windows XP is more superior. It has
more, doesn't it? Oh, yeah. When XP came out,
it was like, man, this is, yeah, it looked...
It's difficult to install because a lot of them
don't... They use a different hard drive setting
for that of Windows 7 and Windows 5. So a lot
of the HPs, they don't have the old SATA drive.
So unless you've got that, like you've got on
the MSI Wing, you can't install Windows XP. But
I think I did install it on one of them. It was
Windows XP Media Center Edition. It wasn't bad,
but... I mean, they're not supported now. I can't
use them now, can I? No, I don't think you can.
I'm not sure, but... All the web browsers would
be out of date. The biggest problem is the web
browser. I mean, how can you shop online and
do anything if you can't get online? If you use
a very, very old web browser, you can't bank
online or shop online. It's not very safe, is
it? You can on Linux, but not on... But even
old versions of Linux are supported. Because
when I installed Debian 10 a few months ago in
one of my videos in... virtual machine i was
very surprised to get updates with debian 10
i didn't think uh you know debian 10 was old
old stable at that a few months ago debian buster
was old old stable so you could install it and
still get updates and believe it or not i tried
the live cd on my laptop not the new laptop obviously
but this one and it worked white white drivers
worked and everything because When they said
they don't have non -free firmware, they also
had, Debian had ISOs, unofficial ISOs of Debian
11 and Debian 12 that have non -free firmware,
and it's one of those that I installed. But,
of course, Debian 10's not supported now. They've
taken it off the website. But Debian 11 still
is, so some people are still using Debian 11.
But I don't see why they, well, the biggest problem
is the web, I don't. I don't install my web browsers
from the package manager. I install them myself.
When I install Debian or Linux Mint, I download
Firefox from the website. I just go to the Firefox
website and download it. You just download the
tile file and unzip the tile, put it in a folder
somewhere, unzip the tile file, and just run
the extension and make a shortcut to it in the
web. Well, it's in the videos, but on Google
Chrome, when you install the dev file, it adds
the repository to the package manager, so you
get updates. for Google Chrome in Synaptic, so
you don't have to keep reinstalling Firefox.
You just click about Firefox, and it tells you
when there's updates. It updates automatically,
a bit like the Windows Firefox does. I don't
know if you've used at all Firefox. Have you
or not? No, I haven't. I don't use Firefox. I
use Brave. What do you use? You use Chrome and
Firefox. Is that correct? Yeah, because Chromium,
you can't download it from a web. There is a
download for Chromium. There is one from... There's
a download for Chromium, but it's the bleeding
edge version of Chromium, which is not recommended
for everyday use. It's the bleeding edge version,
like testing, that's nightly build. And that's
the only one you can download for Linux and Windows.
So it's not, they don't recommend it. So there
isn't a download for Chromium available on the
web. You have to get it from your package manager
and Windows users just use Google Chrome. What
is the worst Linux distro you have ever used?
Well, I didn't like PC Linux. That wasn't very
good. But it has to be Fedora 43. I hate to say
it, but Fedora 41 I was happy with. I thought
Fedora 41 might be for new users because the
only difference was with Fedora 41 was instead
of saying the sudo apt update, it said the sudo
dnf update. But, you know, and everything worked
fine, dnf dragora. So I thought, well. This can
be for new users, although it wasn't quite the
same because they don't have as many graphical
tools on Fedora as what you have on Ubuntu and
Debian. Because on Ubuntu, you've got a startup
applications manager, which, by the way, can
be installed on Debian because most of the Ubuntu
software works on Debian because they're both
very similar operating systems. So you can install
a startup applications manager on Debian from
Ubuntu, which I do. What is it? A GNOME system
tool where you configure your user accounts.
Fedora doesn't have that. It doesn't have GNOME
startup applications either. And it has DNF Fedora,
but that no longer works in Fedora 43. It's broken
and they haven't fixed it. I tried using their
old package manager called GNOME Package Kit.
If you see in the video, another graphical package
manager. That's what Fedora used to use before
GNOME Software Center, GNOME Package Kit. That
was only partly functional because where were
the categories at the site? They were missing.
But, well, Gnome Package Kit is not supported
now. It's not been updated since Gnome 43. So
if you're using Debian Bookworm or Debian Buster,
then Gnome Package Kit is fine. But in Debian
13, although you can use Gnome Package Kit, it's
not been updated since Gnome 43. Although it
does work, it installs and updates. The only
thing is when you try to run install software,
the whole thing crashes. So you're probably better
off using Synaptic, I think. And why did you
decide to go to Debian? Because it's the best.
Is that why? Well, I was put to Debian totally
by accident. In 2022, I was on Linux Mint, and
I knew that my netbooks wasn't going to support
a lot of Linux operating systems because most
of them were 64 -bit. They had some 32 -bit Linux,
but they were fast phasing out their 32 -bit
and dropping support for 32 -bit. I found out
that Debian still supported 32 -bit, and that's
how I got pulled into Debian, because I thought,
ah, a 32 -bit operating system. And also, I thought,
I want an operating system that doesn't have
snaps and flatbacks bundled in. I think that
came from when I had the new laptop with the
64 -bit hard drive that I now got rid of that
I don't have anymore, because I found out that
snaps and flatbacks take up a lot of your space.
So with Debian, you don't have to have snaps
and flat packs if you don't want. So that was
very attractive. So I installed Debian on my
32 -bit laptops, and it did work. It was LXQT,
and it was all right. I soon realized, and then
I tried Sparky Linux, another 32 -bit operating
system, because they had a 32 -bit for that,
didn't they? And so did they have the Q4S. But
I soon came to realize that the 32 -bit netbooks
weren't going to run as well as the 64 -bit.
So I thought, right, let's get rid of the 32
-bit netbooks because I've got so many. I had
about 10, not going to use them. And I decided
to take the plunge and I threw out all my Windows
7 install CDs. Because with Windows 7, you can
only install one copy of Windows on each computer.
Because once you've installed Windows 7 on one
computer, if you try and put it on another computer,
it will say you've got to activate it. So I think
you have to deactivate it from the other computer
before you get it on. So I had about 10 different...
Windows 7 CDs that I bought, each with different
product keys, because one product key for each
computer, one product key for each computer.
Even installed in Windows 8 wasn't plain sailing,
because Windows 8 was only being sold as an upgrade.
So you had to install Windows 7 first and then
do the upgrade CD for Windows 8. But it's the
same thing. One product key, one copy of Windows
for one computer. So if you've got four computers,
you have to buy four different CDs of Windows,
each with different products. They've all got
different products. keys it's one product key
for one computer and you have to activate it
or the desktop goes black and you you don't you'll
keep getting reminders to restart it becomes
more unfunctional the more you use it past the
unactivate you get a free trial to use it for
so many weeks or days and after that it deactivates
you know window Yeah, yeah, it's bad. With Windows
XP and that, you had to put the CD key in before
you even installed it. Yeah, before you installed
it. And how do you feel about the freedom that
you get with open source, right? Because you
can install an operating system, no restrictions.
But we've got open source on Windows. Firefox
is open source, isn't it? Firefox? It is, I think.
It's open source on Windows, haven't you? But
Windows is not open source. That's it. It's not.
No, no. On Linux, how do you feel on Linux with
the freedom that you get, that you can install
whatever you want, no issues, no restrictions,
no license keys? Well, to a certain extent. I
mean, if you were using Ubuntu, Ubuntu comes
bundled with snaps. Now, if you uninstall the
snap, you'll break your operating system. I know
because I've done it. And Fedora comes bundled
with... flat packs the same way that Ubuntu comes
with Snap. So if you uninstall flat packs on
Fedora, it also breaks. And if you install the
software centers, even when you've uninstalled
flat pack, when you install the software center,
it puts the flat pack back on. It puts it back
on the operating system, doesn't it? It puts
the flat pack back on the operating system. But
I mean, I thought Fedora was going to be for
new users. They would have probably been fine
if they'd run it on the same lines as Fedora
41. But Fedora 43 is Wayland only. Maybe they've
taken a lot of the X11 out of the other desktops
as well, even though they are X11. Maybe that's
why none of the other desktops work. What do
you think? What is wrong with Fedora 43? Why
is it that everything I've tried on Fedora 43,
nothing works? The menu editors don't work. Menu
Libre doesn't work. Alucard doesn't work. The
package managers don't work. And even Discover
doesn't work. You saw when I was clicking on
Discover, I was clicking on the software that
I wanted to take a look at, supposed to show
you it. And it doesn't. So why is it everything
is broken in Fedora 43? I don't understand that.
Do you? I don't. I don't use Fedora. Well, let
me tell you a secret. I use macOS. Have you ever
used macOS? No. I wouldn't know macOS if I saw
it. I wouldn't know macOS if someone put it in
front of me. I don't even know what macOS looks
like. I do know that a MacBook is very expensive,
£2 ,000. which I can't afford. When you install
Mac OS, do you install it? I don't think you
can buy the CDs. I think you have to use it from
the MacBook. You can't even install it yourself,
can you? So if you wipe the drive, then I don't
think you can install it. They don't do Mac CDs,
do they? Like Windows CDs, do they? If you wipe
the drive, you can reinstall. How do you reinstall
it? Yeah, I have reinstalled it. I used to do
Windows many times, nuke my operating system
when I was experimenting, and with Linux. You
know, how do you reinstall Mac if that happens,
if you nuke your operating system? Yeah, yeah.
You don't nuke it that often, you know, because
I don't play around with it. I don't know what
Mac OS looks like. I haven't got a clue how you
use it. I've heard they've got more restrictions
on Mac than Windows. And it's not free. And I
think you've got the same as Windows restrictions
on a computer. But, I mean, Mac is very expensive.
A MacBook is £2 ,000. You can't install macOS
on a Windows computer and that. And you still
have to pay to use macOS. It's not free like
Linux, is it? I mean, macOS is a lot. MacBooks
are a lot of money. That can only be installed
on MacBooks. I haven't got the money, have I,
for that? It's too expensive. Unless you buy
a used computer. The last one... But I wouldn't
know how to use it. I mean, why would I want
to use macOS? I think it's probably worse than
Windows. Aren't there more restrictions? I don't
even know what macOS looks like anywhere or how
to use it. I don't know how to use it. Let me
show you macOS real quick. What does it look
like? Does it have a start menu or what? What
does it look like? This is the way that I use
it. This is the way. But I spend... What does
a desktop look like? The desktop? Where's the
start menu? That's not the desktop. I don't know
if you can boot to the desktop, but what does
the start menu look like? Oh, it doesn't... What
sort of start menu do you get? Is it like GNOME?
Is it like Windows 8 or Windows 7 or what? What
do you get? You get the bar. It's either. I think
you don't... You get a bar here at the bottom.
Somebody said you don't get a start menu or anything,
just a desktop and a dock and you don't get nothing
else. Is that right? Yeah, correct. You get the
bar here at the bottom. The elementary OS is
something like that, which is why I don't like
elementary OS either. I think you can click here.
I don't use this. No, that looks like the GNOME
desktop. Are you sure that's not the GNOME desktop?
That looks like the GNOME desktop to me. Oh,
really? That looks like GNOME. Yeah. GNOME desktop
looks like that, doesn't it? GNOME 47 looks...
GNOME 40... GNOME looks like that. That's what
main GNOME looks like. It's got a start menu
like that, but I think GNOME's a bit more user
-friendly, and you've got the start menu at the
top, haven't you, and the extensions. You haven't
got that there, have you, on Mac? Yeah. You don't
have, like, a start menu. You have that at the
bottom. I use my Mac. Well, you know, the app
menu is the start menu, apparently, isn't it?
Yeah, there's no start menu on Mac, I think.
You get this little thing to launch applications.
You wouldn't think I'd like it, to be honest.
No, if you're used to Linux, you're not going
to like Mac too much. Well, I'm a Windows user.
I was a Windows XP and Windows 7 user, so a Windows
XP and Windows 7 user wouldn't really want a
start menu like that. I know I wouldn't. Let
me ask you something. Like Windows 8 for the
same reason and Windows 11, it doesn't have the
traditional start menu that Windows 7 and Windows
XP and Windows 50 used to have. Windows Vista
was a beautiful operating system, even though
people complained about it. I thought Windows
Vista was beautiful. I had it on one of my laptops.
I loved the green folders. It was beautiful.
But, I mean, well, I mean, you could make Windows
7 look like that. But I don't think Microsoft
should have started Windows 8. I think they should
have stopped at Windows 7 and just updated it
because everybody liked Windows 7. It was what
everybody understood. And then they changed it.
They ruined the operating system. Ever since
Windows 8, Windows is just not the same anymore,
is it? And now, when I used to say it was wonderful
that you didn't have to log in with a password,
you just log in and you didn't have to have a
password to do anything on Windows, well, you
can't now, you know, because you have to log
in with a Microsoft account. No Microsoft account,
you can't get into the desktop. No Microsoft
account, no desktop. Let me ask you something,
Andrea. Do you use the terminal a lot on Linux?
Do you use your terminal? Well, on and off, I
mean, I do use it occasionally, but I think I
use it mostly for updating because it's quicker
and it's good for cleaning, the sudo apt autoclean
and that. But to do updates, we got Synaptic
Package Manager on Debian. I mean, when they
say you don't have an update manager on Debian,
well, there is GNOME Package Kit with GNOME Package
Updater, but you don't really need. And I think
MX Linux and Sparky Linux have got their own
update management. And Ubuntu have got an update
manager. But to be honest, if you install Synaptic
Package Manager, you don't need any of those
tools because Synaptic Package Manager has got
an update tool because you just click refresh
and it updates. So Synaptic Package Manager,
you can search for software. The only thing is
the screenshots feature in Synaptic Package does
not work. And I did profile a bug on the Debian
website because... With Synaptic Package Manager,
when you hover over a screenshot, it shows you
screenshots of the software before you install
it, as well as the installed software, but it's
not working because Debian screenshots, where
the screenshots come from, they use HTTPs, but
Synaptic hasn't switched to the secure HTTPs.
It's using HTTP. Well, that's what it said on
the Ubuntu website, if you Google it. But, you
know, Synaptic Package Manager works, but at
the moment we can't use screenshots because of
that. If you've got Synaptic Package Manager,
that's all you really need because you can update
your... It's a graphical package manager for
Debian and Ubuntu users where you update your
software, install software. And the good thing
about Synaptic, it will tell you what's going
to be installed and tell you what's going to
be uninstalled before you do anything. But if
you're using Gnome Software Center or Plasma
Discover, it doesn't. So if you want to uninstall
something from... gnome software or plasma discover
you can end up installing something and it could
uninstall your whole desktop because it won't
warn you what it's it won't tell you what it's
going to uninstall until it's too late and you've
installed it and you but the only software center
i would recommend i mean a lot of people like
a graphical software center so they find synaptic
uh you know Although it's not really true that
you have to go through a list of things. I mean,
you have to do the same in a software centre.
But some people like a software centre with lots
of pictures, a bit like a glossy magazine. Well,
if they're going to go for a software centre,
I would go for the Mint software centre. You
know, the Mint software centre is the closest
thing to Synaptic. But unlike Synaptic... You
know, it's a software center as well. So you've
got lots and lots of screenshots and pictures
which come from Linux Mint. And just about everything's
got a screenshot. Most of them have got screenshots.
And you can't install updates with Mint Software
Center. Because with GNOME Software Center and
Plasma Discover, you can install updates. But
with Mint Software Center, it doesn't install
updates. It's for installing and removing software
and for searching for software. The Mint Software
Center, unlike known software, when you install
the software from the Linux Mint Software Center,
which is what I've got on my system, it'll tell
you what's going to be installed exactly like
Synaptic tells you. It'll tell you what's going
to be removed when you remove something. And
you can even install desktop environments with
what it's called in software. And, you know,
it's like Synaptic, except it's graphical and
in pictures. I think that's what attracts more
users. Although maybe it doesn't do as much as
synaptic and it doesn't update and it doesn't
tell you history. But also, I've only got dev
packages on my system. I don't have snaps and
flat packs. So the Mint Software Center just
has dev packages. But if you want to install
flat packs, you know. You know, it'll show you
all the Flatpaks you've got installed. And if
you click where it says show unverified Flatpaks,
if you've enabled the Fedora Flatpak repository
or the unofficial Flatpak repositories like GNOME
and that, it'll show you those as well. It'll
show you all the Flatpak repositories. So the
Mint Software Center will show you all your Flatpak
packages if you have Flatpak installed. If you've
only got devs, then obviously it won't. It'll
be just devs. And it will show you your dev package,
isn't it? It works similar to Synaptic, very,
very similar in that it will tell you what's
going to be removed before you remove it. It
will tell you what's going to be uninstalled
before you uninstall it. So you always know what
you're doing. And I've installed several software
on Debian with Mint Software Center, and I've
not had any problems. It works properly. You
know, I mean, Synaptic Package Manager goes one
step further and I think it uninstalls leftover
software that's auto -removable, isn't it? So
would you say to new Linux users, would you say
that you have to be a terminal expert to use
Linux or you don't need the terminal at all?
I'm not, so I know that I'm not, that's for sure.
Okay, so anyone can use Linux, basically, right?
Yeah, I mean, you have to make compromises. One
of the compromises I've made was I had to have
a password because on Windows 7, I could just
log in and do things without a password. But
Linux, you have to have a password, but there's
a way around it. Just put a one -letter password
or a two -letter password and you're never going
to forget. So it was easy to get around the path.
They're not strict about it on Debian and Ubuntu.
Oh, on Fedora, that's another thing with Fedora
43. When I tried to put my two -letter password
in, it said store the password not long enough.
So you know what I had to do? Once Fedora was
installed, I changed my password. How you do
that? My username was Anne, so I put sudo password
Anne in the terminal, enter the old password,
and then I changed it with my two -letter password,
and that's how I got it. I always enabled a root
account as well so that I can, Because when you
edit files, you have to do it as administrator,
which the root account is like the administrator
account. But it's best to set up as a user account,
then enable the root account when you get in
there. Because if you set up as root, then you've
got a problem adding yourself to the sudoers
file and installing sudo. So don't go there.
Now, I have a question for you as well. You mentioned
edit files. What do you use to edit files? Have
you heard about these? Say I download wallpapers
from the internet and I want to put them in my
backgrounds folder, which you can only do if
you're root. So I open USR sharer's root. And
so I can copy the wallpapers or the pictures
and put them in the backgrounds folder as wallpapers.
Or sometimes I want to use my wallpapers from
Linux Mint that I didn't install as dev files.
Or sometimes when I download app images and I
want to put them in my programs folder, user
share, instead of in my home folder. To do that,
you have to be root. So open as root. And then
copy the app image and put into the user share
folder. And then it's treated as a program. I
do that, yeah. And then sometimes creating a
desktop shortcut to put in user share applications.
So it appears on the start menu. So you don't
have to edit the start menu. You have to open
as root for that. And have you heard about NeoVim
or Emacs to edit stuff? Have you heard about
those tools? I didn't install Vim, didn't know
how to use it. What do you think about Vim? Couldn't
use it, didn't know how to use it, uninstalled
it. So what do you use in the terminal if you
need to edit a file in the terminal? Well, Nano
is useless. I soon found out that Nano doesn't
have to be installed because on Ubuntu and Debian,
you've got two terminal editors. You've got Vim
Tiny. That's not the full Vim. It's like the
old V, which is like Nano, and you've got Nano.
And couldn't use Nano at all. Tried with the
keyboard, couldn't. I soon found out that I could
uninstall it a few weeks ago because Nano's not
part of the operating system, so I did. And I
installed, what did I use? It's called any text
editor, nice text editor, where you can use it
with the keyboard. But the one that's most friendly
you can use with your mouse is called Microsoft
Edit, MS Edit. You can use it with your mouse
in the terminal. But then again, I don't edit
files in the terminal because it's easy to make
a mistake. Even when you're using Microsoft Edit,
where you can move your mouse up and down where
the text is in the terminal. It's easy to make
a mistake. When I edit files, say I want to,
when I was adding the repositories to upgrade
to Debian SID, it involves editing the repositories,
the text files, doesn't it? So what I did was
I went into ECT, open as root, and then I opened
it with gedit or pluma, and then I edited it
that way. I didn't do it in the terminal. But
I think there's one thing you have to do in the
terminal, vsudo, but who edits the pseudos file?
They advise you not to, so I just leave that
alone. Who does this? Not going to do that, are
we? Not going to do that. We have someone sent
a message in chat. Let me share it with you.
I'm going to switch to my screen. Not really
very experienced, to be honest. I mean, I think
that Linux is a lot like Windows. It seems a
lot like Windows with its desktop and everything.
It's so much like Windows 7. I think that's why
I feel so much at home. I mean, on Linux Mint,
people feel at home because the desktops are
so much like Windows 7 if you look at them, don't
you think? They are, aren't they? Yeah. When
you look at Mate, it's so much like Windows 7,
isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Except they're done with
categories. Similar, you're right. You've just
got an all -programs menu that you're forever
scrolling. But a Windows Vista added the search
bar, which was a step up. We didn't have a search
bar on Windows XP, did we? Unless we installed
a launcher or something. We didn't, did we? Yeah.
Someone sent a message here. It says... Andrea
Borman is a godsend. She exposed how Apple stole
their desktop environment. I don't know anything
about Mac OS. I've never used Mac OS, and I didn't
even know what Mac OS looked like until you told
me. I know nothing about Mac OS. I know absolutely
nothing. So I don't know anything about Apple,
but I don't know. But you're already above macOS.
You're on Linux. You're on the GigaChat operating
system. I'd have to pay to use macOS, wouldn't
I? It's not free. Download it. You've got to
pay for it. It's not free. Yeah, no, it's not
free. So you're already good. You're good with
Linux. So you didn't like Vim. Did you ever try
to use Vim? I couldn't use it, could I? Well,
there is something called VimGTK. There's a GTK
version of BIM, but that's really just a link
to the terminal. You can install the GTK version
of BIM, but you still have to know how to use
it. I mean, really, if you want a text editor,
all you really need is like a Notepad style text
editor like we had on Windows, because if we
needed to edit system files on Windows 7, we
use something called Notepad, you know. And Notepad
was for creating like... rich text document so
if you're going to edit a text file all you have
to do is install gedit or you can install leafpad
not the old leafpad but l3a pad or pluma or mousepad
and you edit with one of those on they also have
some on linux mint they have zed which does the
same thing you can install that as well as gedit
so that's all you really need if you want to
edit the files and just open it as root and edit
the file you don't really need them to edit simple
program files or repositories of that, do you?
I don't think so. Yeah, you reminded me of a
friend. His name is Drew and he has a YouTube
channel. He's just a Linux guy, but he uses this
editor called Genie. Have you heard about that?
I'm more for creating fancy documents. Well,
I mean, what about Abbey Word? You can create
a document with Abbey Word. Well, I mean, if
you want something more fancy and more featured,
install LibreOffice. LibreOffice has everything.
Well, there's another one I've got on my system
on Glow and Blast, but only Office Desktop Editors.
Not the Flatpak version, the dev version, because
I added the repository. Only Office Desktop Editors
is a lightweight version of Office. I did a video
on OpenOffice, but OpenOffice has not been updated
for about a year, so I've decided to give that
a miss. Only Office desktop editors or Libra.
Well, the best way to get Libra Office on Debian
is because there are a few versions behind, is
to download it from the website, although that
does mean downloading a lot of dev files. But
another way to get Libra Office on Debian, there's
an app image version of Libra Office. You can
just install that and download the app image
version of Libra Office, and you just run the
app image, and it's all there. You can do that
on Debian. I mean, most of the software that
you get on snaps and flatpaks, like web browsers,
you can just download the updated dev file from
the website or download the app image. Because,
as we know, Debian and Ubuntu tend to use the
ESR version, Firefox ESR, isn't it? But, I mean,
even if I was installing Firefox ESR, I would
just get it from the Firefox website. Because
how do you know the dev version is the up -to
-date? The Debian version is the up -to -date
version. I mean, say you're using Debian 11 or
Debian 12. It won't be the same version as Debian
13, will it? I don't think so. Maybe their web
browsers are different. I don't know. But I'm
not using Debian 12 or Debian 11. Well, I mean,
why do you think people use it? Well, I mean,
some people prefer the GNOME 3 to the GNOME 4,
because I've noticed with GNOME, each time they
bring out a new version, they take more features
away, don't they, with GNOME, with main GNOME?
Not with GNOME Flashback, would be lame. But
there's two versions of GNOME, isn't there? There's
main GNOME, which is like the Windows 8 start
menu, and there's GNOME Flashback. If you're
going to use, why not GNOME Flashback? I mean,
it is GNOME 48, isn't it? Or GNOME 49. It's that
you've got the more traditional desktop, like
Marte. You haven't got the app. I mean, when
you think about it, with Windows 8, the reason
why my Windows 8 was running slow is because
I was adding things to it, like Classic Shell.
You've heard of Classic Shell or Open Shell to
get the Windows 7 start menu. Oh, no. I never
tried it. Because you don't get a start menu
on Windows 8. You have to add something called
Start A or Start Up. or start menu, is it, or
classic shell to get the Windows 7 start menu
and other things in order to disable that horrible
ribbon toolbar. But when you've done all that,
you're slowing Windows down. Each time you add
on, you've still got the Metro theme running
in the background and you're slowing it down.
It's the sort of same, well, maybe it's not the
same with GNOME, but if you're going to be adding
things like extensions to get the start menu,
extensions for this and extensions for that.
Why not just install, because you want the Windows
-style start menu, why not just go for a desktop
that already has that, like Cinnamon, Marte,
or GNOME Flashback? If you like GNOME, but GNOME
Flashback is better than main GNOME, because
you know that Ubuntu used to come with GNOME
2, which was similar to GNOME. Well, GNOME Flashback's
not exactly the same as GNOME 2, because the
original GNOME 2 had more features. It was more
like Marte, wasn't it? Yeah. The original Ubuntu
used to come with GNOME 2. When Ubuntu first
came out, it came with GNOME 2 before they switched
to Unity, and that was better. Have you heard
about this other distro? I don't like Unity either.
That was harder to use than GNOME, because you
have to do everything with the search bar. icons
on the desktop, but you didn't even have an app
menu. Something called a classic menu indicator
that you could install in pre -good version of
Unity doesn't work in the latest version of Unity,
so you had to do it. You had to find your apps
from the start from the search bar in Unity,
and it doesn't even show all of them up. But
at least in GNOME, it finds everything in the
app menu, and you can search for extensions in
that in the search bar, but Unity is harder to
use than main GNOME, isn't it? To be honest,
it is. Have you? Have you heard about this other
distro that is called Nix and that brought an
epidemic of furries? That's very complicated.
That would be nothing like Debian and Arch. I've
not tried that. I've not attempted that. That
is very complicated. It isn't anything like Fedora,
even Fedora, is it? It's not. No. Well, Fedora
would be all right. They just fix their packages.
I mean... Some people prefer RPM to app. Why
is that? What's the advantage in RPM over app?
Can you tell me? Because I can't see it myself.
I have no idea. I think there's more app packages
and dev packages than what there are with RPMs.
I mean, I can't see the advantage in using Fedora
or whatever if you've got like Debian and Ubuntu
because they have everything, don't they? And
they just make sure they're up to date, don't
they? Yeah, and how do you edit? Debian and Ubuntu
checks everything before it's up to date. I know
they put stable and they don't always update
their packages as much as others, but they check
everything and make sure everything is working
before it goes in there. I mean, look at the
NXT desktop on, what is it, Fedora. They've still
got ClipIt in there and the old leaf pad. Ubuntu
and Debian removed that ages ago, years ago,
because ClipIt's no longer being updated and
neither is leaf pad. The Debian desktop and the
Ubuntu version of LXD has been replaced with
Mousepad, and their clipboard manager, I think,
is Diadon. Well, I don't like Diadon, but I'm
just saying that Flipit's no longer supported
those. See, Fedora doesn't... Somebody told me
that the Fedora spins are not official desktops.
Is that true? And only the Gnome and KDE is.
I didn't know that. I have no idea, but I have
a question for you. They're not working. I didn't
know that. They're not working. I do know that
Fedora 43... For Dora 43, I did try the Gnome
Edition and it had Cockpit, which is a web server.
Now, who would use Cockpit to a web server or
web server if they're an ordinary desktop user
like you and me? I mean, you wouldn't install
that on Debian or Ubuntu or even on Fitbit. I
mean, why would you need that if you're just
using it as an ordinary desktop to do everyday
things? I'm not running it as a server, am I?
I mean, apparently you can't uninstall it from
GNOME. And the installer took ages to install
because they were using cockpit installer to
install it. So it took hours to install the GNOME
edition. And when I installed the GNOME in Fedora
43, it was Wayland only, which I knew. But I
tried to use GNOME Flashback. GNOME Flashback
and X11 installs on Fedora 43. But it doesn't
run. You can't log into it at all. And even when
I switch to LightDM, you can't log into GNOME
Flashback on Fedora 43. So Fedora has blocked
it. They've blocked all X11 that is GNOME -related.
So GNOME Flashback installs on Fedora 43, but
it doesn't... Hey, Andrea, how do you edit your...
The good news is on the bundle 25... Although
it's Wayland only, Ubuntu is GNOME 49 but Wayland
only in 25 .10, but you can log into GNOME Flashback
and use it, as you saw in my video. So I could
get rid of the GNOME Wayland only and use the
GNOME Flashback, but I don't want to use Ubuntu
25 .10. It's only paper, isn't it? It's slightly
better, I think. Maybe the LTS will be better.
How do you edit your videos on Linux or you don't
edit them? I use Simple Screen Recorder. I was
using Tazam, but sometimes the videos didn't
come out. I use Simple Screen Recorder and I
use GUVC view for my desktop or sometimes Keith,
which is known, Keith. And then I use Shotcut
Video Editor. I was using OpenShot Video Editor,
but it stopped working in Debian SID. But as
I'm using Debian Stable, maybe the app... To
use the video editors, OpenShot and Shotcut,
I don't go through the package manager because
you know what version of OpenShot they've got
in Debian. They've got 2 .5 .1 or 3 .1 .1 and
it's very, very old. But the latest version is
much newer. And the version of Shotcut they've
got in Debian is also very old and the same in
Ubuntu. So when I install Shotcut... or open
shot in debian i just download the app image
from the website because they've only got the
app image and with caden live if you go through
the package manager same problem very old but
you can get caden live from the website the app
image you know and with that and even gimp you
can download the app image so because the debian
and ubuntu always have the older versions they
always do for video editors and image editors
and uh that why that is i don't know but they
just do Okay, so you use Shotcut then, mainly.
I use the latest version from the website because
the Debian version is very old. I use Shotcut
now because I like it better. I was using OpenShot
app in it, but when it stopped working in Debian
SID, I used Shotcut. I might work now on Debian
stable OpenShot. I'm using Shotcut. I like that
better. But if you're going to download the video
editor, download the app images because they're
newer than the ones you get in Debian and Ubuntu.
Debian and Ubuntu have got very old packages
with the video editors. Did you know that? Maybe
you don't use Debian. What are you using, Debian?
No. No, I use macOS. But you commented on my
Linux channel. I thought you was a Linux user
like me. You're not a Linux user. No, I use Linux.
You're a Linux user. I thought you was using
Linux like us. Yeah. I use Linux, but only on
servers. What version of Linux have you got?
Oh, let me see. What have you got? I'm going
to show you right now. Is it virtual machine
or on a laptop? Virtual machines don't really
count. No, it's not a virtual machine here. Maybe
you can see it there. So it is Debian 12 Bookworm.
Well, that's an old version. You need to update.
That's old stable. You need to upgrade now. You
need to upgrade to Debian Trixie. Why haven't
you upgraded it? Oh, because they're just my...
Debian Trixie. Yeah. It's Debian 13 now. Debian
13 is the new stable. That is old, old. Debian
Bookworm is old, old stable now. Yeah. It's in
my plans, but I haven't had the time. Well, don't
worry. You'll still get updates because they're
still supporting Debian 11 and Debian 12, but
you won't get as many updates as what you'll
get with Debian 13. The latest version is now
Debian 13, Debian Trixie, if you want to go and
get it from the website. Yeah, yeah, I will.
You'll get newer software. You see, I've not
found it. What's good about this version of Debian
is that with Debian Bookworm, the software was
slightly older, even when it first came out.
But with Debian Tripsy, most of the packages
are the same as what you've got on Debian SIG.
Because when I looked on Debian SIG, they've
got the same versions, mostly. Most of them are,
except the kernels. You know, I mean, the reason
why I ran Debian SID, I thought it was a good
way to get the latest software, but it comes
at a price because the desktops would keep breaking
on Debian SID. Every time the KDE desktop, which
gets updated like crazy on Debian SID, would
update, it would want to uninstall all the packages
because part of the packages were QT5 and part
of them QT6 because Debian don't put them in
all at once. They put them in in little bits,
don't they? So I got fed up with having to keep
having my software uninstalled and my desktop
uninstalled and things breaking and not working.
So I decided Debian stable. It's got KG Plasma
6 anyway. And who wants to use GNOME 49? Because
we know that the GNOME 49 in Debian SID is Wayland
only. Oh, by the way, I did test Debian SID in
Virtual Machine, and yes, it's Wayland only.
But the good news is you can still install GNOME
Flashback. In Ubuntu and Debian, in GNOME 49,
GNOME Flashback works, but not in Fedora. So
if you want GNOME Flashback, don't go to Fedora.
That's because a desktop on its own in Ubuntu.
But in Fedora, you can't. When you install a
flashback, it pulls in the whole desktop. So
I think they have a different way of doing things
on Fedora. They don't do things. It's not like
Debian and Ubuntu, is it? I wanted it to be a
clone of Debian and Ubuntu, but it wasn't, was
it? Hey, Andrea, and I've heard a lot of people
that say that Debian is a legacy distro and that
it only has old packages. Would you say that
is true? Well, not Debian Trixie. I think they've
changed a lot. I think it maybe was true in past
versions, but I think that they've changed. I
mean, there was a time when you couldn't get
non -free firmware, although that wasn't strictly
true because you could download the ISOs that
had non -free firmware, like Debian 11 and Debian
10. But with Debian Bookworm, they tried to be
more up -to -date, but I think they were... The
Debian Bookworm version is the same as Ubuntu
Jammy Jellyfish. Packages are very similar to
that. Because Ubuntu Jammy had GNOME 42, Debian
had GNOME 43, so they were slightly ahead. But
since Debian Trixie, they've now got more updated
packages. Because the stable version of GNOME
for LTS, I think, is GNOME 48. Although Ubuntu,
with their 24 .4, they're running GNOME 46. So
we're ahead of them, aren't we? We're ahead of
Ubuntu, aren't we? Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. Okay. So
do you have or do you have any packages that
you cannot use in Debian? What do you do when
you find a package that is too old in Debian?
Do you use flat packs or what do you do? Well,
you can use it. Well, I mean, the web browsers
is always better. I think the most important
thing are the web browsers because they're the
email programs because they're the ones that
you connect to the internet every day. I think
the web browsers, you're best to install them
yourself from the website. Download Firefox from
Firefox and download Google Chrome from Google
Chrome. Or if you're using another Firefox clone
like Pelmoon, you can download Pelmoon from the
website and download Waterfox. Fortunately, with
the Firefox browsers, they come as tar files,
which are just designed to be unzipped and run
without having to compile or anything. So you
can just unzip the tar file with Archive Manager
and just... put it in a folder somewhere and
just run it. And that's what you can do. And
Google Chrome, it'll install the repository when
you use it. Brave browser and some other browsers,
Libre, I think you have to add the repositories,
but that's easily done. You can do that. You
add the repositories, a few terminal commands
and you're in. It tells you what to do on the
website. It's just copying and pasting, isn't
it? But I don't use Brave browser. Well, Thunderbird,
you can actually download it from the website.
Again, it's a tar file, and you've also got Betterbird,
and you've got SeaMonkey. So email programs like...
Debian is only using 140, which is ESR for Thunderbird,
so you're better off getting it from the website.
Even if you're using Firefox ESR, because some
people like Firefox ESR, because... It's more
compatible with the hardware. But with Firefox
ESR, again, you can download it from the website.
At least you know what you're getting. And I
get updates for Firefox and Google Chrome and
Waterboxx at least twice a week. Twice a week
when I check for updates. I get updates twice
a week from them, which is more with Debian.
I'd have to wait longer for them to update. Same
with Ubuntu. When you open your terminal in your
machine. No, I did try some flat packs on Debian,
but I decided I didn't really need them. Okay,
and when you open your terminal, which one is
it? What terminal do you use? I use GNOME terminal,
but there's one called Pythesis. What's the name
of the terminal? It's called Pythesis, isn't
it? You know the one that... I don't know. Oh,
I think I've heard it somewhere. Let me see.
There's a lovely terminal called QTerminal, which
I used to use. But PyTesis is the GTK equivalent
of QTerminal. You can customize it, make it all
different colors. It's a lovely terminal. So
I always install that. Oh, okay. Yeah. Someone
shared it in chat. Someone shared in chat. This
one. Let me show my screen. I don't like external.
That's not very good. Yeah, that's the one. That's
the one. That's the terminal I've got. I've got
below terminal and pytosis. I've got two terminals.
Oh. And why? With the desktop, doesn't it? Oh,
okay. And why do you like this one? In lots of
nice colors. You can cut pink, blue, not pretty,
very pretty color, very customizable. Oh. You
can change the background and everything. It
looks really nice. Oh, okay. Awesome. And what
keyboard do you use? Do you use the keyboard
that comes on your computer? Well, the Windows
key and the escape. Well, I've got a mouse. Look,
can you see I'm using a mouse? Look, I'm using
a computer mouse. Yep, I see it. Yep. It's easier
than using the keypad, isn't it? So you use the
keyboard that comes with the laptop, right? You
don't use an external keyboard. No. Well, the
keyboard's working. I don't need to, do I? No,
no, you're right. The keyboard's working, so
if it wasn't working, then I don't have any silver,
but it is working. Oh, okay, okay. Now, do you
want to share with us two of your favorite movies?
Not really, no, I don't really have any. You
don't watch any movies? Do you listen to any
music? I just watch YouTube screencasts on Linux
at the moment. What do you watch on YouTube?
Do you watch any YouTube channels, any Linux
YouTube channels? There's quite a lot. Yeah,
there's Linux Mench. There's a new channel that's
not been called Zach of All Tech, you know, because
there used to be this. You see, a lot of the
old YouTubers, Linux YouTubers, are not active
anymore. I used to like Nixie Pixel. Do you remember
Nixie Pixel? Nixie does Linux. Red -haired lady.
You're a redhead girl. This was back in 2010.
I used to watch Nixie Pixel, and she used to
do videos that were mainly about Ubuntu. She
didn't used to use different desktops. She used
to just use Ubuntu, and she used to just use
Maclone desktops. She never used Canby. Yeah.
And, you know, I think she's a woman ahead of
her time, or she was a woman ahead of her time,
because, you know, not many women were using
Linux then, and even now, not many. You know,
she was one of the few people that, you know,
I think she's younger than me. She's still younger
than me. I think she's in her 30s now. But, I
mean, she must have been in her 20s when I saw
her channel 10 years ago, was it? And, you know,
she really knew her stuff because she really
knew about it. I mean, she managed to keep the
tutorial short and explain everything in under
10 minutes, which was good. You know, I really
like looking at, I still watch her channel, but
she doesn't make videos anymore, which is a shame.
She doesn't do any, you know, she's not active
anymore, is she? There was Quidzup. I used to
like Quidzup, but he's not active anymore. And
do you know, back this cup of Linux and don't
call me Lenny, you know, it's good looking at
Linux and looking at... The way the old Linux
used to be. Because the old Linux, in some ways,
used to be better. Because they never had snaps
or blackpacks then. It was simpler. But, you
see, GNOME, they've made so many changes. Well,
I think they still had GNOME 3 then. But I don't
like this Wayland -only business. Because I can't
use Wayland. Because how can I make my YouTube
videos on Wayland? The screen recorders don't
work. But, you know, so that's this cup of Linux.
And don't call me Lenny. And who else we've got?
Let me see. Let me look it up. Don't call me
Lenny. Yeah. I like... It's got really good tutorials.
They're not active anymore. They're not active
anymore, but it's such a shame because they're
good channels, aren't they? Good videos. Five
years ago, okay. They're really nice. I really
liked them as well. And QuidsUp, he was good.
I like QuidsUp. How do you write that? Q -U -I
-D -S, QuidsUp. It's a Linux channel. He used
to make a lot of Linux videos. He stopped. Oh,
this one stopped as well. There was one called
Infinitely Galactic, you know, Australian man,
Infinitely Galactic. He used to make a lot of
videos, but now he doesn't make a lot now, and
he's got videos going back to the very early
Ubuntu, Infinitely Galactic Linux. I don't know
how to spell it either, but he used to make a
lot of videos. I didn't find that one. Infinitely
Galactic, you know, but... But you know who sort
of replaced him, who I think is very much like
it? Zach of all tech. Because, like, I think
he's a student or a young guy, and he's just
started a new channel on Linux. You know, what
Linux is good for new Windows users. And he wants
to introduce users to Linux. to Linux operating
systems where you don't have to use the terminal,
where you can just use your package manager and
use the software center. He's very much like
Infinite League Galactic, you know. He reminds
me of him because they're the same sort of tutorials
and, you know, telling you how to use them. Infinite
League Galactic was very, you know. Oh. Oh, it
was basically introducing that they're like tutorials
for Windows users so that it makes it easy. You
see, all those channels, Factories, Cup of Linux,
Don't Call Me Lenny, even Nixie Pixel, you know,
they help bring Windows users into Linux because
they explain it so... Well, Nixie Pixel, she
was a woman ahead of her time. She was really
clever, I think. She knew everything in Linux.
I mean, you know, our channel's entertainment
as well. She knew a lot about Linux. She knows
a lot more than what I do, that's for sure. Oh,
and do you? Do you also watch Veronica Explains?
Someone brought it up in chat as well. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. She's not been very active much,
has she? But yeah, she's a lot. Yeah. I like
her. There's bread on pain wings, but she uses
Arch Linux. The odd thing is that she's chosen
Arch Linux as her first operating system, which
is unusual because most people don't choose Arch
as their first time. Some people of you, there's
somebody else called... Leona, somebody, she's
using Fedora as her first operating system. But,
well, I don't know how anyone can use Fedora
43 because it's unusable. You can't use it. Uh
-huh, uh -huh. Yeah, but it's Arch Linux, so.
Uh -huh. Well, DistroTube isn't Arch Linux, but
he's an advanced user. He's even got his own
OS out. Oh, Linux Minch is good. I think he started
life on Linux Minch. Oh, yeah. What is this?
Linux Minch. Linux Minch. Linux Minch. He uses
Linux as an arch user, but he's tutorial. He
operates this as well. Have you seen this guy?
Have you seen this guy? Chris Titus Tech. He
covers Windows and Linux. Chris Titus Tech covers
Windows and Linux. Oh, yeah. Chris Titus. He
does everything, doesn't he? Chris Titus Tech.
Yeah, he does everything. But have you seen this
guy? Panels are not active anymore. I used to
like the Linux tube because the Linux tube. made
a comment on my channel. They said that, you
know, we don't get, you know, we welcome you
as a new user. And he wanted me to join live
chat. And, you know, he featured me on his Discord,
my channel, the Linux Tube. But what's happened
to him? Because I've not seen him for months,
the Linux Tube. Alex, where did he, where did
they go? You know, because Alex, you know, the
Linux Tube and they had other users showing you
different. operating systems of Linux and that.
Where did that happen to him? Because he's not
active anymore. But a lot of them are not active
anymore, are they? Yeah, I see. Do you follow?
I haven't seen this one. I haven't seen this
one. But do you follow this other guy? Hold on,
hold on. I have it here. I have it here. The
guy that used Fedora, he's not active anymore.
This is just a Linux guy. He uses Debian. Yeah,
but he doesn't make videos very often. Yeah,
he's one of the ones I subscribe to. Yeah, and
he's one of them. Yeah, but he, yeah, five days,
seven days. There's quite a lot of little channels
that have clicked the subscribe button, but they
don't all make, learn Linux TV, but he's got
nothing but praise for Fedora. I personally hate
Fedora 43. Well, you can't use it. How can you
like Fedora 43 if you can't use it? I can't.
Fedora 43 is unusable, isn't it? I mean, it doesn't
work, does it? It doesn't work. But I think.
It doesn't work. It doesn't work. But I think
he switched to Debian as his main one. Well,
last time I checked, I don't follow him too closely.
You know there's another one if you want a system
D3. Have you heard of Dev1? Dev1? Dev1? Yeah,
it's a clone of Debian, but Systemd -free. But
I don't see what's wrong with Systemd. It's not
done me any harm. I mean, I think when I first
started using Linux in 2010, it had Systemd.
I don't really know of anything else. So if you've
only known Systemd, well, you wouldn't really
know what it would be like not to have it, would
you? Have you seen this guy as well, Tony? No,
what does he... Oh, he does... Well, what about
this switching to Wayland? That's going to be
a problem. I don't like that. I really don't
like that at all. I mean, is there anything that
the new Linux users like myself, are we allowed
to post our opinion on the forums and say that
we don't want Wayland and we want X11? Can you
please keep X11 in GNOME? Are we able to do that
or they don't allow that? Yes, you can, of course.
I mean, can we go somewhere on the forums and
post our feedback? I'm lucky with X11. I don't
want it to go. I want to stay on X11. I don't
want Wayland because Wayland doesn't work. So
why don't we just Linux Mint? In his comments,
he said that, you know, if it ain't broken, don't
fix it. He said that he uses window managers,
Linux Mint. Linux meant she was his window managers,
and he said a lot of them don't work on Wayland,
and he needs the X11 for that. So a lot of people
need X11. I don't use window managers, but X11
is very much needed. It's not just a question
of want to use X11. You need X11. We can't live
without it. We need X11. It's like removing Internet
Explorer from Windows, removing X11. It's a part
of Linux. X11 is a part of Linux, isn't it? How
can they think about removing it? I mean, if
Wayland worked and it worked better than X11,
I wouldn't care. it doesn't work, does it? It
doesn't work, Weyland. Yeah, so these kids don't
know what they're talking about then. I don't
like it. I never use Weyland. I try not to use
it. The reason why I wouldn't use GNOME 49 is
because it's Weyland only, but GNOME Flashback
is X11. That's a separate desktop, so maybe they'll
keep the GNOME Flashback so I can still use that
in the next version of Ubuntu, right? I can use
GNOME Flashback in the next version of Ubuntu
when it's LTE. Yeah, it's China. I can. And what
about Matt? Matt is still around. He posts often.
He uses Gento and that. He uses a more advanced
operating system, don't he? Yeah. Well, he's
on Nix. Oh, you know what I would like to see
in Debian? Why don't Debian include the Mint
Software Manager? You know I did a video on installing
the Mint Software Center. I think the Mint Software
Center should be ported to Debian because...
Debian and Ubuntu doesn't have the Mint software.
You know the software center from Linux Mint,
so you have to install it yourself. And I've
successfully installed the Mint software center
on Debian, and it'll probably work on Ubuntu.
So why don't they just port it to Debian so that
we can install it from the package manager and
download a load of dev files? Because it's a
damn sight better than GNOME software center
and Plasma Discover, I don't... So, like Eva,
I like the Mint Software Center, the only software
manager I will use. Because before, I was just
using Synaptic. But now, I know the driver manager.
I've successfully got the driver manager on,
what's it, Debian. Because, not that I need it,
because all my drivers are working. But it's
handy to have, isn't it, instead of searching
for the package manager. But you can install
that on LMD and Debian. But it's just a case
of downloading a couple of dev files, isn't it?
That's all. And it works on Debian. I've been
testing out Debian in Virtual Machine. All of
the tweaks on Debian work in Debian as well,
except that it's not systemd. It's systembinit
or something, isn't it? And did you ever see
this guy, Terry, the one that created Temple
OS? Did you ever watch his video? You've heard
of Temple OS? What the hell is that? It's...
literally an operating system that someone created.
Let me look it up. Is it Linux or is it something
else or is it BSD? I was thinking of maybe trying
FreeBSD because I thought, well, if everything
goes Wayland only, using the stream recorders
is going to be a problem. I couldn't even get
FreeBSD or any BSD operating system to install.
When I tried it in Virtual Machine, it was all
command -front. I couldn't even install any of
the BSDs that I tried. I couldn't install FreeBSD
or the BSD, so I won't be switching to BSD because
I can't even install it, can I? Uh -huh. This,
yeah, I would... I'll have a look at Linus Tech
Tips. He's the one who installed Pop! OS. And
when he installed Steam, it uninstalled his desktop.
That was a bug in Pop! OS. I don't like Pop!
OS. I think it's overrated, because when I installed
Pop! OS, I didn't like the Pop! shop very much,
and it's bundled with flatpaks, which I didn't
like. And when I installed another desktop environment,
you know, it did. But when I wanted to uninstall
GNOME from Pop! OS, it blocked it. It wouldn't
let me do it. So you can't replace Pop! OS with
the Mate desktop, because it won't let you. So
you're stuck with the Mate desktop and the GNOME
desktop, two desktops. I mean, you can have more
than one desktop environment, but I like to have
one desktop environment at a time. So say I change
my desktop environment from KDE to XFCE. I don't
install the KDE and keep the XFCE, but I mean,
on my laptops, I've got different desktop environments.
This one's got the name Flashback. This one's
got Budgie. The pink laptop hasn't got anything
on it because I haven't installed anything on
it. And the fourth laptop hasn't got anything
either because I did have a Trinity desktop on
Debian SID, but unfortunately it nuked the whole
desktop because when I installed the Trinity
desktop, I couldn't change. The Trinity desktop
is broken. I thought the Trinity desktop might
be a good replacement to avoid Wayland because
Trinity desktop's X11, but you can install Trinity
desktop by adding the repositories to Debian,
but there's bugs in the Trinity desktop and it
just breaks. Because it's based on KDE 3 and
they're using very old libraries. Even though
it's meant to be updated, it's TDE. They call
it TD, Trinity Desktop, based on KDE 3. They're
using very old libraries from KDE 3, which is
not used anymore. And I guess they're importing
all of the bugs that were in KDE 3. So I know
you get a desktop that looks like KDE 3. It's
not updated. They should update everything to
work on modern hardware and it just doesn't.
You know what I mean, Dom Story Short? Hey, Andrea,
people in the chat are asking, they want to know,
do you do YouTube for a living? Is that what
you do or you do something else? No, I don't
earn any money from it at all, no. Can I tell
you what I find most annoying about YouTube?
The advert. Because many times I'm watching a
video on Linux and I'm just going to get my party
and it's a bit cold in here. I'm going to change
my jumper and maybe put something around me because
it's quite cold in here, isn't it? So, yeah,
it's cold. I didn't put the heater on because
I'd be too hot, but that's better, isn't it?
Mm -hmm. But, you know... What's most annoying
about YouTube is I'm trying to watch a tutorial
or Linux, and in the middle of the tutorial,
I get rudely interrupted by an advert. And then
I get so angry. I think, oh, I'm not going to
play your game. I don't want to listen to your
bloody advert. And I turn the sound off until
it's gone, because there's no way you can get
rid of the advert. You click on it, and you can't
get rid of it. And sometimes it will play to
advert. And then when I try to click, I play,
go back. space to the video because I've missed
what he was saying because it was interrupted
by the advert. Another advert, even though I
moved the mouse cursor back where he left off
before it was rudely interrupted, another advert
plays and then sometimes two or three adverts
come on all at once and every few seconds you're
interrupted by an advert. How can you watch a
video if you're constantly being interrupted
by the advert? I don't like that, do you? I hate
that. on here, have you? Because how are people
going to listen to me if I'm going to be interrupted
every few minutes with a stupid advert, you know?
That no one listens to and I don't want to listen
to. Yeah, I got used to them already. I watch
ads and I'm like, okay. They never used to have
adverts on YouTube. You could just watch the
whole video and not have adverts. I'm not monetized,
so I don't have adverts on my channel, no. No?
So you don't make money out of YouTube then?
No, I don't make any money at all. I don't get...
No, it's a free channel. I don't get paid for
what I do at all. I mean, YouTube is a free platform.
You go on it, you make a channel, but you don't
get paid for it. No, you don't get paid. Okay,
so now... I don't get paid for it. Okay, but
you don't want to get paid from it, right? Or
you do at some point? Who would pay me? Why would
anyone pay to listen to my videos? I'm not that
good, am I? Who would pay me? Did you... activate
the monetization on YouTube. I don't want to.
You don't want to? It's on my channel anyway,
so I wouldn't like that, to be honest. I remember
when I used to have a daily motion channel, even
though I didn't get paid for it, they just put
adverts on the channel. A lot of video channels
do, don't they? Yeah, because when, let's say
that you show ads just at the beginning, at the
end of the video, not in the middle. What do
I want ads on my videos for? What the hell for?
I don't want that. Why? Yeah, you have a point.
Okay. So you just don't want it. If there was
ads, then people wouldn't be able to watch the
video. How can you watch a video if you're constantly
being bombarded with, interrupted by ads every
few seconds or every few minutes? I mean, the
ads are just, they get really annoying now because
I don't, if it's just an ad at the beginning
of the video and then it doesn't play again,
it's not so bad, but I don't want ads at all.
But sometimes you're watching a video and without
warning an ad comes on and then you wait for
the ad to finish and then you click the back.
And then you move your mouth a curse of black
to listen to what the man was saying before you
were rudely interrupted by an advert. And then
another advert plays. And then you do the same
thing again because you can't remember what the
man was saying in the tutorial or whatever. And
then another advert plays. It's getting ridiculous
now. It's getting freaking ridiculous. The adverts
are just nothing but annoying. It drives me mad.
I hate them. And do you want to share with us
what do you do for a living or you want to keep
that private? Up to you. I don't work. I don't
work. I'm not able to work. I don't work. I'm
not able to work. I'm not able to work. I'm not
well. Oh, okay. Okay. Because you could... remove
the ads in the middle, you know, so that only
when you start the video and when it ends, you
could show an ad and remove all of them in the
middle. The ads just come up. We got no control
over it, but the ads just come up. There's no
way of stopping it. They don't even give you
a warning. They just come and that's it, the
ads. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, you have
a point. What time is it where you're at? It's
like 2 a .m., right? What time do you go to bed?
Well, sometimes I don't sleep. I don't fall asleep
at the right time. Difficult to sleep at night.
Uh -huh. It's quiet at night. You're not disturbed
at night because during the day you're sort of
disturbed by postmen knocking on your door and
people going in and out. I'm in a block of flats,
you see, but it's quieter at night. You feel
more relaxed at night. Sometimes you've got to
be awake for the postman or parcels coming and
that or workmen coming. So you're more relaxed
at night, aren't you? Okay. Is that when you
record the videos at night? Yeah, because I'm
not so, you don't get disturbed at night. Makes
sense. It's quiet at night, isn't it? Isn't it
night where you are? Right now it's 8pm where
I'm at. And where you're at it's 2am. Is that
right? Yeah, it says 2 .05 on the clock there.
Yes, it does. Okay. Do you want to stop the call
here? Do you want to end it here? Yeah, I didn't
really offer much very technical advice, really,
did I? Oh, yeah, you did. You did. Awesome. You
know, about these other operating systems, why
use other operating systems like Fedora or Arch
or Gen2 when Debian and Ubuntu -based Linux provides
everything that you need? Just Debian. Debian
is the king. And even for experienced users,
I think... A Debian Ubuntu or a Debian -based
operating system. The thing is, with Ubuntu,
the only thing is you have to have snaps, don't
you? You have to have snaps and you can't uninstall
it. But, I mean, if you're someone that doesn't
mind snaps, I mean, it's all installed for you
in Ubuntu, isn't it? Or in other Ubuntu -based
operating systems like Pop !OS or maybe some
others like Zorin OS, they come with both the
snaps and the blackpacks. the debian based operating
systems some come with flat packs some don't
depend but with debian you can install stacks
of flat packs if you want and even if you change
your mind you can uninstall them and no harm
done but i'm saying with debian and ubuntu is
better because i think it's more secure there's
more packages more dev packages and also they
have more graphical applications they have a
lot of graphical applications for the new user
if you see on my channel that A lot of people
don't even know about, so you don't have to use
a term. But Fedora doesn't have that, and Arch
certainly doesn't have that, and I don't think
Gentoo or the others would have that. What do
you think about Gentoo and the furries? Have
you seen the furries? I don't know about Gentoo,
but I was thinking of Open Seuss, where they
had the Zaha package manager. All right. When
I did the command in the terminal and looked
at it, it worked similar to Ubuntu and Codora.
But what's the point? We got Debian, we got Ubuntu.
What's the point? You know what I mean? Mm -hmm.
Yeah, Debian is the king. So in summary, Debian
is the king. I don't know Ubuntu either. Well,
if you don't want Snap, then use Linux Mint because
this is what a lot of people don't know. People
say Linux Mint comes with Flatpak. The truth
is, yes, it does. But if you don't want Flatpak
in Linux Mint, you can uninstall it. I know because
I started off on Linux Mint. I've done it myself.
When I was using Linux Mint, the Ubuntu -based
Linux Mint and the Debian version of Linux Mint,
I used to uninstall Flatpak and I would just
have... dead packages and the software center
and everything on linux mint still works so i
mean you know you can uninstall flat packs on
linux mint and it doesn't break the operating
system and you know you can but on ubuntu you
can't uninstall snap because it's baked in and
on fedora you can't uninstall flat pack for the
same reason that you can't uninstall snaps from
ubuntu is because it is baked in but it's just
what but with a linux mint you can and just have
it as dead packages and with um What is it? With
Debian, you get a choice. You don't have to have
snaps of backups if you don't want them. But
if you want them, you can just add them. You
know what I mean? You've got app images as well,
which you just download from the web. You don't
need a package manager for that. You just download
the one you want from the web, the software you
want. Now, what do you think about the furries?
Have you heard about the furries? Because there's
a lot of Linux users that wear these suits. These
suits are called fursuits. I don't know. I've
never heard it. I don't know anything about that.
Sorry. No, you don't know anything about it?
Because, I don't know, it's very popular in the
Linux community. So what would you say to the
young Linux users that like wearing these suits?
Do you think it's cool? I don't know. You only
just told me about it. I don't know what to say.
I don't know. I don't know, really. I've not
seen walking around the street in those suits.
Oh, okay. Not wearing it. Okay. Now, Andrea,
I really appreciate the time that you shared
with us. Let me tell you how long we've been
here. You said that you wanted us to stay here
for like... The thing is, I talk and talk and
talk. People say I talk a lot and I keep people
on the phone a long time and I keep people in
conversation a long time. I do talk and talk
and talk. That's what people have told me. But
that is awesome. I really appreciate everything
that you shared with us. We didn't cover anything
technical, really, did we? I mean, I just...
We talked about a lot of technical stuff. You
shared with us that... I'm not a computer tech.
I mean, DistroTube is an expert. Linux Mint isn't.
I mean, Linux Mint. Linux Mint. That's how you
pronounce it. Linux Mint is an expert. You know
it's a good channel if you want advice on how
to get the best out of Windows. Bright Tech.
I want to mention that Bright Tech is a good
channel. You know Bright Tech 209 because...
Brytek does videos about Windows 11. Windows
11 is a disaster, but he tries to make the best
of a bad job because he tries to offer support
for Windows users who want to stay on Windows
to try and get the best out of it. But with Windows
11, that's not easy because Windows 11... There's
a lot of things you can't do on there, and it's
not an operating system that's easy to use. He
also does videos about Linux. Brytek has been
doing a lot of videos about Linux. What's the
channel? If you want any advice or tutorials
about how to use Windows 11, because you can't
use it if you ever want to use Windows 11, Brytek
is a good channel to watch. He has a lot of useful
tips and tricks of how to get the best of Windows
11. Which one? This one? He's been going for
years. Brytek, yeah. Oh, okay. I found it. Okay.
Okay. So it's Windows related stuff, right? Yeah.
So if you have to choose then, which one is your
favorite operating system, Windows or Linux?
Well, I used to like Windows when we had Windows
7. When we had Windows XP and Windows Vista,
I used to like it. But of course, that's gone
now. We can't use it. It's end of life. My favorite
operating system now is Debian, second Linux
Mint, but I won't be using Windows. I've never
used Windows 11 and Windows 10, and I certainly
won't be getting rid of Linux for Windows. I
won't be switching to Windows 11. So I'm here
to stay on Linux. So I'm going to be using Debian
or Linux Mint. I don't know of any other operating
system. I mean, that's the good thing about virtual
machines. I've discovered Virtual Manager, and
you can test out operating systems in virtual
machines, which means you can test it out in
a virtual machine before you install it on your
computer. There is another way, and that is to
boot the live CD. Well, you should always do
that anyway, because just because it works in
a virtual machine, it doesn't mean it's going
to work on your computer. So even though you
try it out in a virtual machine to get an idea
of it. You should always boot the live CD before
you commit yourself to installing it because
once you've wiped the drive, that's it. Although,
of course, you can put the old operating system
back. But, I mean, I think Debian is best, you
know. I think that seems to be the best one.
It seems to... Yeah, Debian. Linux Mint. But
what I would like to see on Linux Mint is a minimal
install because with Linux Mint, you get a lot
of software like media players and other things
you don't want. But Ubuntu has something called
a minimum install, where you just get the Ubuntu
GNOME desktop, and then you install your own
media player, your own office suite, your own
paint program, and your own... Linux Mint doesn't
have that. With Linux Mint, you get a choice
of Cinema, Mate, or XFC, but it will install
the whole lot, everything. So if you don't want
Kellyroid media player or some other media players
they have, or the XF, you spend about an hour
unpicking all the software and then installing
all your own. So with Debian, I just installed
a minimal desktop like Cinnamon Core, Make Desktop
Environment Core, and then cherry -picked the
software I want. That's how I do it. No Flashback
is a minimal desktop anyway, so it installs a
full desktop, but it doesn't come... Well, the
media player I select myself, it comes with some
other things, but I don't mind G -Edit because
I like G -Edit. G -Edit's fine. Oh, okay. Awesome.
Okay, Andrea, any final words that you want to
share with the audience so we wrap it up? Any
final? If you're going to switch to Linux, I
think the best one for a new user is Linux Mint
because that's where I started. That's what got
me into Linux because Linux Mint has a lot of
graphical tools and also Debian for new users.
But if you're going to install Debian, install
the full desktop environment. Don't install from
the live CD because they say the repositories
are missing. But if you're going to install Debian,
use the net install. And when you get to the
installer where it asks you which desktop environment
you want, you have a choice of GNOME, Flashback
or X. XFC, you know, tick the desktop you want.
So if you want to install Cinnamon, you select
Cinnamon from the Net Install. Or if you want
to install just, you select that from the Net
Install. Or if you want to install KDE, you select
KDE from the Net Install and do it that way.
So if we're going to install Debian as a new
user, download the Net Install and you get a
graphical installer. And then they ask you which
desktop environment you want. Select the desktop
environment and then that's it. Awesome. Any
final words? It doesn't matter if it's the Ubuntu
version or the LMDE version. You can either install
LMDE or the Ubuntu version. There isn't any difference
because they're both exactly the same, except
one's based on Debian, one's based on Ubuntu.
But both versions of Linux Mint are the same.
There aren't any difference, not in my opinion.
They're the same. You get the same graphical
tools and everything you do. And you can install
the driving manager on Linux Mint LMDE because
I've tried that as well. That tweak works well.
Okay. Any final words on Fedora? Fedora 43, I'd
say give it a miss. If you're thinking of trying
Fedora 43, I'd say give it a miss. But when you
install it, you'll see it's not working. You'll
have the same experience as I have. Well, I made
a video about it, so you'll see that. Okay, awesome.
So I'm going to leave your channel in the video
description so all of these guys can go and subscribe.
I don't have a lot of subscribers. I just have
a few. You have way more. But really appreciate
your time. you wasn't a Linux user until you
told me. I just assumed that you did use Linux.
I scammed you. So you got scammed. I think I
saw you on DistroTube because I was watching
DistroTube and I did an interview with a Mac
user. I think that was you, wasn't it? Yeah,
that was me. I was also on Brody. You're that
Mac user that was on DistroTube. I didn't know
that. Yeah, it was me. I was also on Brody. Why
didn't you use Linux? Why Mac OS? Why don't you
use Linux? Why not Linux? Why are you using Linux?
Okay, let me try to explain. Give me one minute,
okay? One minute. Okay, so... I started in macOS
at my previous job and I just got used to it.
And I got so used to it that I don't want to
migrate away from it. But I will at some point,
eventually in the future, maybe. I thought that
most workplaces use Windows 11 or Windows 10.
I didn't think they had macOS because in England,
most of the offices and the workplaces, they
just use Windows 10 or Windows 11 or even Windows
7 because a lot of places don't want to update,
do they? Yeah, but at my previous position, since
I played around with a lot of servers and all
that stuff, they didn't have an option for Linux,
but they did have an option for macOS. So they
said you have to use macOS. So I used macOS.
I got used to it. I wouldn't know where to start.
If I had to use macOS, I wouldn't know where
to start. You get used to it. The terminal is
pretty... Pretty similar, you know, your commands.
I didn't think you had to use the term in macOS.
I thought it was like Windows, where you download
software from the internet, no? It's pretty similar
to Linux. You have package managers. There's
a package manager that is called... You can download
software from the internet on Linux. Of course
you can download software from the internet on
Linux. Not many people do because they prefer
to use the package manager. But, I mean, downloading
software from the internet is second nature to
me. I think nothing of it because when I was
on Windows, you know, if you want to install
software, the only way to get software is to
open a web browser and download... from the internet
because, I mean, you do get software from Microsoft
in the Windows Update, which is Microsoft software,
but very, very few. We did get Windows Live Messenger,
and I think we got Microsoft Silverlight or Internet
Explorer, but that's all we got. If we wanted
anything else, we had to open up our web browser
and download from the internet, and we used to
have to use Internet Explorer. So if Internet
Explorer didn't work, then you had it, basically.
Well, I think they use Microsoft Edge now. I
think they've got Microsoft Edge and Internet
Explorer. I don't know if they've still got Internet
Explorer 11 or if they're using Microsoft Edge
now on Windows 10 and 11 because I haven't got
Windows 10 and 11. I didn't even get as far as
to look around Windows 11 because on my new laptop,
when I looked at it, I couldn't even get around
the desktop. I couldn't do anything with it.
I couldn't navigate or do anything. It wasn't
a proper start menu. It was worse than Windows
8, Windows 11. I couldn't use it. I hated it.
Yeah. No, but it's, I will try Linux. You know,
I installed Arch. It wasn't very far on Windows
11 at all. I couldn't even turn the computer
off. It was terrible. Yeah, just baited. Okay.
If I had to use Windows 11, I'd feel very bad.
I wouldn't like it. And I don't like Windows
7. Windows 7, if I had to use Windows. But that's
gone now, isn't it? Yeah, Windows 7 is gone.
XP is gone. XP was good, you know, but. Windows
XP, Windows Vista, Windows 2000, Windows 98,
where are they? Why don't they bring them back?
Yeah, like in the old days, right? Yeah, put
them back in the shops that we can use. But they
won't work on this computer. They're too old,
aren't they? They're probably too old, aren't
they, to work? They work. Let's call them Invertful
Machine and play around with them there, yeah?
Yeah, they work, but probably your browser is
not going to work that well. Let's call them
Invertful Machine and just play around with them
there, but Invertful Machine won't work. But
that's about it. Oh, man. Okay, Andrea, thank
you very much. Really appreciate your time. Thanks
for having me. Thank you very much. Are we going
to speak live? I'm sorry? When is this going
to be live on YouTube? This is going to be live.
Today is Tuesday on, let me think, Tuesday on
Friday. I'm going to edit the video and I'm going
to post it on Friday. Let me ask you something.
Do you want ads or no ads in the video? I don't
want adverts because we're going to be interrupted.
How are people going to listen to me if we're
getting ruined by adverts? I mean, how are people
not going to listen to us if we're going to be
interrupted every five minutes with adverts?
They can't hear us, can they? And that puts me
off of watching many videos because sometimes
when I watch a video, because of the adverts,
I just turn it off because the adverts just drive
me crazy. They drive me mad, you know? They drive
me mad. Okay. We're going to remove the ads in
the middle. No ads in the middle at all. Okay.
Anyway, what is your job? Are you an office worker?
Do you work in computers? What is your job anyway?
Are you working in IT? Currently, I am a network
engineer. I work with the network equipment,
basically. Do you work for Microsoft or work
for Mac or do you work for Linux? No, I work
on Windows, actually. Oh, you work for Microsoft.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't work for
Microsoft. I use Windows. I'm sorry. I use Windows.
Windows 11. You didn't invent Windows 11 by any
chance. I use Windows at my current job, but
I have to go into network equipment like routers,
switches, firewalls. I have to go into devices
and... and do stuff in there you know but yeah
i'm a network engineer at the moment but yeah
thanks andrea really appreciate it i'm gonna
release the video on friday and i'll share it
with you okay yeah okay bye chat bye everyone
thank you bye