Two questions. Yeah. Do you have a rule like,
okay, so I'm going to update this year or this
month every year or every few years? And what
are your thoughts on automatic security updates?
Yeah, basically what you see on my screen right
now are two same things. So this is the same
as this. Okay. Just a modern version of this.
I really thought that Arch... should be the perfect
distribution for my needs at the time, which
is giving me the latest software. And for a time,
it really felt like I did a really good decision.
The first time that I pulled something from Arch
user repository was day one when I installed
Arch. Then I thought, like, what did I just do?
I don't know. Let's reinstall the operating system
because I have no... It's not that I broke anything.
It's just that I don't know what I just pulled.
You didn't trust it. Yeah. And then something
else broke later on. And then I downloaded the
FlatHub version of that. After a while, I ended
up with a lot of Flatpak software. Instead of
using Arch software, Arch Linux told me, no,
you're not recording. Not today, OBS is now not
working. And imagine a cartoon character turning
from pink color of the face to the red color
of the face in Steam. Now, I have a question
for you. Because the Nix users have been very
quiet in chat. I'm not sure if my chat doesn't
work, but they must be like now going through
a lot of feelings. As for systemd, that's for
kids. A lot of people like the Unix philosophy,
which says do one thing only and do it the best
possible way. That's hardly a good example, but...
Yeah, but... If you're listening to this as a
podcast, remember that it was originally recorded
as a video. If you're not following along, you
can go to my YouTube channel. My username is
Linkarsu. And if you want to support me to keep
this podcast going, you can donate in Ko -fi.
I'm going to leave a link in the description.
All right? So let's get started with this chapter
then. Now, is Darth your name? It will remain
my name for foreseeable future. I'm still thinking
about using the real one. I know that all of
you guys on Linux and free software fans are
using your real name. It's just, I don't know,
I haven't decided yet. It is what it is. People
learn to call me just Linux Renaissance, whatever.
It's fine. Yeah, I don't use my real name either.
It's Link, the one that I use. So you can call
me Link if you want or whatever is easier for
you. We can get started if you want. I think
we already did. Yeah. But yeah, you do your stuff.
Yeah. So we didn't plan this at all. And someone
in Discord actually shared your channel. And
I said, yeah, there's a guy that switched over
from Arch to Debian. And I was like, okay. And
I opened the link, saw your channel. Yeah, I
watched the video and I was like, ah, pretty
interesting. And I remember seeing your hat somewhere.
And I was like, I think I've seen this guy. And
I think I saw you in a video in which you said,
don't use Discord or something, right? Yeah,
yeah, yeah. That's one of mine, yeah. Okay. I
looked it up then in your channel and it was
like, yeah, I remember this guy. Yeah. So, Tart,
welcome. Thanks for sharing it with us. How's
it going? Good. Good. I mean, this was quite
an interesting way to meet up because I have
honestly haven't heard of you until before I
went to bed last night and we are now live. Yeah,
crazy. As one of my guys, Iceblade, said, what
did he say, like a quick turnout or something?
Yeah, less than 24 hours of planning, of meeting
us, you know, and yeah, it just happened. Plus
sleeping and going to work included, you know.
Yeah, yeah, pretty fast planning. I told my wife,
actually, do you recognize this hat because and
i was expecting to her to tell me like yeah from
one of the linux things that you talk about or
something and she said yeah from kid rock and
i'm like have you have you seen him no usually
people remember the hat if nothing else yeah
it's a pretty good pretty good prop is it oh
of course it's red hat related but what's your
deal with Red Hat? No deal whatsoever. I don't
even use Fedora as the Linux distro. I tried
but didn't quite work out for me. The whole idea
was basically I started my YouTube channel three
years ago and I made two videos. There was no
Red Hat back then. I'm just gonna try to summarize
it. I have used Linux before like in 1997 starting
from there and after that there was a lot of
windows and needed for work and stuff like that
and I played a lot of video games in my life
so that kind of didn't work on Linux back in
the day and lately I really got very, very tired
of Windows and that was years ago, not today.
But slowly I transitioned fully to Linux to the
point where I haven't been using Windows at all
for a couple of years now that my work included.
Also private life, yeah. And I started this YouTube
channel and first I called it back to Linux.
as it was supposed to represent my full return
to Linux. That was the title. And there was no
Red Hat at all. And I was with my family in London,
UK. That was like two years ago or something.
I kind of forgot the dates. And there was this
shop with hats and they just stopped. uh at the
what do you call it when you look into the shop
from the street the glass part um i'm not that
good with english but i manage uh there was this
hat literally looking at me and telling me buy
me buy me and i just went in and bought it and
i i looked at the hat and told myself that yeah
this this is for the channel and that's when
i renamed the channel to Linux Renaissance, but
there was a gap of a full year, because if you
scroll down to the very latest one, you will
see... Oh, the latest one. Yeah, yeah, you did
good, you did good. In the history, yeah. So
the first two are, you can see, I think, three
years ago or something. They didn't quite work
out and... There was a gap, right? And then I
just do a little bit of rebranding of the channel
and then I went in really hard. I guess that's
a small summary of the channel. What are your
thoughts on Red Hat? Have you used it as a distro
or do you have any thoughts on it? No, not really.
I mean, there was a Red Hat distribution back
in the day. That one is actually dead. the one
that used to be called Red Hat. And now we have
the one called RHEL, Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
That's the actual one now. This one is commercial
Linux distribution for big companies and big
businesses. It is good, but I'm not sure what
to do with that on a personal computer. So you
can use it as a workstation. I just don't have
any personal feelings for using that distribution.
It just doesn't give me anything that I would
want from a Linux distribution. And I'm pretty
sure that in this chat today, we will get to
the point where we discuss how people usually
pick their Linux distribution, considering we
have quite a lot of them, right? So the prop
itself, literally has nothing to do with red
hat although it is a hat of a red color but other
than that it's just nothing representing you
know any of my values or you know whatever okay
okay okay and i see your channel you have 289
videos almost 5000 subscribers right now It's
Linux related content. What else do you talk
about in your channel? I saw some Emacs related
stuff in there, right? Yeah, it's mostly free
software. So there will be a lot of stuff that's
related to free software, including Linux and
FreeBSD and OpenBSD and applications that are
free software. So, of course, there will be some
Emacs. There will probably be some Vim as well.
But it's never about... I'm not one of those
Vim versus Emacs. I don't really feel anything,
any of that. in that way. We'll get to the MX
part soon, but what I wanted to say is that the
overall theme of the channel is basically free
software and well, I guess a bit of privacy,
but not hardcore privacy. I'm not that kind of
a channel. I can't help people to stay as private
as they want. There are much better channels
than mine. Most of the content that I do is what
I personally do for myself. And I don't really
produce content for views, if you know what I
mean. I do check out my analytics, but... As
time goes by, I think that's a huge waste of
time. Simply because people who watch YouTube
analytics for their own channel usually should
be doing that in order to adapt their content
to what the audience wants. However, I don't
want to adapt my content to what other people
want. I just produce what I do. for myself and
share it with everyone so you know if it turns
out well thumbs up for that if it doesn't turn
out very good you know I do have a small community
with whom I am really happy with and we chat
pretty much every day and I just love all those
people that there aren't many of them but it's
you know a cozy environment and I I want it to
remain as cozy as possible. So it's not that
I don't want more viewers. It would be, you know,
thumbs up for that. But I will not succumb to
the analytics to guide me to what I need to do,
you know, on YouTube. That's basically what kind
of the channel this is. Okay, okay. Now... I
saw there about Matrix, you know, and I was like,
what is Matrix? Do you mind sharing a little
bit about that? Is that IRC? Because I don't
understand Matrix, to be honest, but I joined
your server. Is it a server that has multiple
channels? What is it? Yeah, I could try to explain
it shortly. So I think a lot of viewers will
be pretty familiar with Discord. So let's take
that as a ground point. for comparison. So Discord
is a centralized place from a certain company
which produces this server and this client software
and they give you a client and with this client
you can create your own community space which
they call server for whatever reason because
it's not really a server it's just a community
space and in there you can put some rooms. I
think everyone knows that. So matrix kind of
came out from the need as that's how I see it.
They came out from the need to replace the proprietary
solution which is very popular. with something
that is fully free software and also decentralized
and by decentralized you can think of email you
know how email works email is is decentralized
in a way that you have your name at the domain
and usually the domain means the where your domain
is hosted on some server. You can have email
with Microsoft domain, you can have email with
Gmail domain, but also you can host your own
and your own email server and they can all interconnect
because if you send email to this address, it
definitely gets there. That's federation, right?
And with matrix is pretty much the same because
I have my own matrix server and makers of uh
matrixed software uh have given us this possibility
that we can download the server install it on
our own server even at home mine is running in
my own house not really a professional hosting
service you know but if it goes down what happens
your matrix i will i will explain what happens
if it goes down uh but it's important to understand
that you have a username on the server, which
is me. I am dart at fosheadquarters .org. That's
my server. And when I go into someone else's
room on Matrix, which is hosted on whatever other
server of Matrix, I just participate there. And
the way the rooms on Matrix work is basically
they copy their entire contents to all of the
participating Matrix servers. Maybe it's a bit
hard to grasp without drawing it but basically
if my server goes down and my server hosts my
rooms then everyone else who is not on my server
will still be able to talk in my rooms because
my room is synchronized within the matrix federation.
And once I get up my server back up, then me
and other people who are on my server will catch
up with everyone else who have been chatting
in my room that was replicated elsewhere. So
it's pretty resilient in terms of some servers
falling down. It's kind of a middle ground between
IRC, as you say, IRC and Discord, I think. Maybe
a bit closer to Discord, but I would say somewhere
in the middle. Oh, so it's not IRC, right? I
think both Discord and Matrix have grown out
of IRC software. They both have this in their
background. Not literally, but they came out
of the IRC protocol. Also, Twitch chat is still
IRC, like very naked IRC. Because when I have
to talk to Neobim maintainers, for example, they
just use Matrix, right? I have Element installed.
That's the client I'm using. And I send the messages
there. But I'm like, what is... What is this
thing about? Like, why did they use matrix? Why
don't they use Discord? So, privacy then? Is
that the main thing with matrix? But isn't it
hosted on someone else's server in case your
goes down as well? Like, where is it? It's not
that kind of privacy. It's more like ownership
and not being able to be, let's say, censored.
And I don't mean censored in a bad way because
none of us really talk anything that would be
taken down. It's just Linux technical talk. But
what I mean is you own your server and if...
for whatever reason, the rest of the network
isn't working, you have your own server working.
If for whatever reason, you don't agree with
the rules of the big matrix server, the one that's
called matrix .org, then you're free to install
your own and be your own boss. And at the same
time, you can communicate with everyone else
in the whole matrix network. So it's not like
it's not like it's or IRC in terms of okay if
you don't like libera chat rules okay you can
make your own ird server but then people need
to connect to your server in order to participate
you know they're not connected while they're
completely separate while with matrix it's all
federated you know between each other so if discord
one day decides hey i'm just gonna delete linkarsu's
discord server it just goes away it just vanishes
with matrix that wouldn't happen correct with
matrix that can't happen uh if you have your
own um if you're hosting with your own server
if you're hosting on matrix org then you're a
part of matrix .org rules just as you're a part
of discord rules because that's their server
and many people do have their accounts on the
main matrix server which is as I said matrix
.org but it's very like advisable to get your
account somewhere else simply to spread the words
of how federation should work. Okay. We have
a super chat here by Tony. If you guys don't
know who Tony is, he creates a lot of different
Nix -related videos. Go and follow him. But it
says here, what is Amdocs and how are they connected
to Matrix? Do you know anything about that? I
have no clue what Amdocs is. I could Google it
up, but I don't know. Let's see if Tony sends
another message there because I have no clue
what he's talking about. Now, something else
that you mentioned in that video that I was watching
is you shouldn't use Discord because whatever
information you post there is not searchable,
right? On the web. Whatever you type in there
is gone. If someone has a question, they cannot
reach that information unless they join the server
and search, and searching there sucks, right?
So what do you recommend instead of Discord?
I guess Matrix is the same issue if we talk about
that specifically, right? So should we use forums?
Well, I'm personally a fan of forums because
they are designed for this specific use case
where people discuss topics, help each other
in solving problems and that stays online and
it's searchable and indexable by search engines.
It's basically designed for this specific purpose
while the chat is just for chat. There is a way
that you can put bots and other kinds of software
on your matrix server in order to log the chat
and make it publicized on your website or something
like that. I have actually been considering that
because My own space on Matrix has a couple of
different channels. Have you joined my space
on Matrix, just as a reference, so you can understand
what I'm saying? Yep, I joined your lobby. And
the lobby, I don't understand how it works quite
well. So I can share your screen in case that
you want to... Yeah, you can do that just so
I can easily explain it. Okay, okay. You ready?
Yeah, yeah. I'll switch to your screen then.
Okay. What's the lobby? That's the one that I
reached. Yeah, so on the left side you can see
there are some icons that very much resemble
what Discord servers are. These are called spaces
on Matrix and in here they are not. anything
else other than a place for bookmarks. So for
example it says that my public space has 30 members
but if you go to my lobby you will see that we
have 69 members. So how is that possible that
the number is not the same? It's simply because
not everyone joined the main space because space
is just bookmarks. and in these bookmarks, I
like to call them that, we have a couple of different
rooms and whichever room you join you will be
able to participate in that. So if you go for
example to lobby that's where most of the chat
is going on. It's very casual and if you go to
Linux room this is where the technical stuff
is going on. We also have a new BSD room but
it's the same type of the room and this one I
was planning to install a logging mechanism.
And I can do that because it's my server and
I can reach whatever I want on my server, except
for private messages of people. Because private
messages of people, even on my server, they are
all end -to -end encrypted. So I can't really
do anything with those except host them physically.
But I can't see what's in there. But in the public
rooms, I can see the content and I could put
it on my website so it would be searchable on
my website. But I was also thinking about making
a forum. That's a big investment in terms of
moderation. It's still in thinking phase. Okay.
And that is to preserve information, basically,
right? That's what you want to... Yeah, because
a lot of people tend to come and ask the very
same questions. And it's not that people want
to be rude or anything else like this has been
asked like 100 times. It's more like... When
you're in a good mood to answer questions, it
gets tiring after a while if you answer the same
one. So it definitely is a good thing both for
people who want to help and for those who need
to be helped that someone can link them. Here
we go. This has been discussed here. feel free
to read this and add more to it if you have.
So these kinds of things are good to have searchable,
sortable, and remembered. Yeah, it makes sense.
What is that encrypted channel? Because there's
a guy in your lobby that told me to join that
encrypted channel that I had to verify the users,
and I was like, I don't know what this guy is
talking about. Kector is like that. He really
likes this channel because on matrix you can
specify public rooms to be not encrypted or encrypted.
Pretty much every public room is not encrypted
and what this means is that as the chat propagates
across the federation of matrix servers every
administrator of every instance can see all of
the chats in these public rooms and this is totally
fine because these are designed to be public
rooms but you can make a public room encrypted
and this means that every member in that room
will need I mean, members don't do that, their
applications, the matrix clients do that. But
when you post in that room, your message gets
end -to -end encrypted with the public key of
every other participant in that room. So it's
basically like end -to -end decrypted, or how
do you call it? Well, if you have, let's say,
Signal, the messaging client, and if you have
more than... not just you and me chat, but like
a group chat. It's still end -to -end encrypted,
but keys are shared between us. So it's more
like an experiment room than anything else. It
doesn't serve any particular purpose other than
testing how encryption works. And some of the
members of my community like to... to test this
but it's it's a bit it's a bit harder to use
this room because people need to verify each
other if they want super secure let's stop there
okay let's stop there it's gonna get very complicated
okay yeah yeah we talked about matrix you know
probably do you mind or would you like sharing
about you like your background studies um what
do you work on or i don't i'm not sure if that's
private Or if you want to talk about it or not.
Well, I can try. And you will tell me if I need
to speed up or slow down, whatever it feels good
for your ears. I grew up with Amiga computer.
That's the beginning of my childhood. I did have
contact with Commodore 64, but I didn't have
one. Actually, I have Amiga right here. but I
really can't lift it right now because it's wired
with a lot of stuff. I still play around with
that thing and from there I went to PC in I don't
know what year was it like maybe 95 or something
and we didn't really have internet. at the time
I mean we had internet but it was like you would
pay for the minute of spending online so that
wasn't always cheap so I would go to the university
where you could access one main university server
which everyone had access to it was a Unix server
and you would get access to these small terminals.
They were like very dumb terminals. What we take
for granted on Linux today and Mac, what we call
terminal emulator, you know, console xterm or
whatever it's called on Mac, gnome terminal,
this little window used to be an actual box,
a hardware that wasn't doing anything else than
connecting to the main server and we would go
physically to the university we would like a
lot of us would sit next to each other each one
on their own terminal that was like 80 by 25
characters and we would spend time on IRC chatting
reading email with you know Pine and Matt maybe
playing some games like Mud, multiple users,
dungeons. That's a text game. If you think I'm
going crazy, like how do you play games on a
terminal? It was a text game. And that's how
my internet chat age started. But also I wanted
to have this thing at home. And some of the older
guys told me, like, you could have your own Unix
at home. and there is something similar that
is like fresh but it's like very good replacement
for unix it's called linux and you should try
it out and at the same month i saw like a computer
magazine on the kiosk I don't know how they call
it in English. The place where they sell newspapers.
And there was this computer magazine with a CD.
And the big title on the CD was Linux. And I
bought that one. And it was Debian 1 .3. I do
remember that. And it was yellow. And my friend
and I installed Debian 1 .3 on my computer at
home. It took like two days. just to get the
pointer on screen because it was, you know, you're
new, nothing works automatically back in the
day. No documentation. Well, you could use the
manual, like the man command, but the thing is
back then Linux was unable to automatically recognize
your hardware. and even more so it was unable
to automatically load drivers because no such
mechanism existed. So the way that we would make
our Linux functional back then, including that
day when I started, was you would install it
from the CD. On the CD you would get the source
for the kernel, source you would unpack, and
you would go to the kernel configuration and
in the kernel configuration you would select
which drivers do you need for your hardware so
basically you would find your modem for the internet
that was one of the most the important ones and
you would recompile the kernel with the support
for your modem make your kernel bootable reboot
the computer and now you have functional modem
and now you can go online and now you can download
the latest kernel now you unpack the latest kernel
because on cd you didn't get it and then you
reconfigure once again with the support for your
graphics card with the support for your sound
card with the support for anything else you might
have in your system and once that's all ready
then you need to install the x server that was
pretty much the procedure and when you got x
server installed then you would need to understand
what are the mode lines of your monitor so you
could insert the frequency responses in your
x configuration file if it doesn't work your
picture doesn't show up if you got it right then
you got it right it took a little bit of trial
and error And after all that effort, like two
days of effort, I got a great picture with a
mouse pointer and nothing else. And then it was
time for installing window managers and all of
the applications. That was like the starting
point after 48 hours. Regarding the box that
you mentioned, the terminal that you physically
had to use in the past, can you share a picture
of that? If I share your screen so that I can
understand how it was. I'm 37 right now. I don't
know if you want to share your age or not. Yeah,
I'm 44. Okay, yeah, I wasn't around. I was around
when Windows 95, that's the one that I started
with. I didn't go back that far, so I don't know.
I cannot picture it. Let me know when you're
ready and I'll switch to your screen. Yeah, you
can do it right now. These are the guys. So let's
take this one, for example. This one, oh, it's
too big. No, now it's fine. So I think this one
looks the most familiar to me. It even could
be VT320. I think actually that's the one. that
I used but I'm not 100 % sure. Basically you
get the keyboard, you get the cathode ray tube,
the CRT screen and the only brain that this has
is basically a card that makes a connection to
the server. The server is not on this machine
at all. This is just... Absolutely not, yeah.
The server is somewhere else. A huge server?
Is it like a supercomputer or what? No, I think
the one that we had on university, the one that
we all used was SunSpark from, let's say, 1990.
I'm just guessing. Spark Station. I think that's
something like this. oh so that was the server
and from that terminal you connected to it like
the ssh or was a different protocol used back
then or no no no no no it it wasn't ssh it wasn't
uh telnet it was more like serial connection
i think oh so you physically connected physically
yeah with the serial cable to the server? Well,
I wasn't the one who connected it. It was all
pre -connected like bunch of terminals pre -connected
to the server and the fun part was you could
use a command on Unix called finger. This command
was made obsolete after a while because it became
a security problem but basically this command
was pretty popular because it would tell you
where oh i mean which terminal is certain user
currently using so you could look up who is logged
on onto server right now and where this user
is sitting at the moment so you could physically
go to that user because we all knew which terminal
was which one oh okay okay i see so your terminal
your physical box had a keyboard and it was basically
an instance like an instance of a terminal as
we know right now right each one would spawn
their own instance of a terminal or something
like that yeah basically what you see on my screen
right now are two same things so this this is
the same as this okay just a modern version of
this okay and that's awesome that's awesome and
what did you study did you study computer science
or no i was very interested in in computers obviously
but there was a lot of video games as well so
that kind of took you know my my cpu time but
basically i ended up in a How do you say it in
English? You heard of Nikola Tesla, I'm sure.
My technical school was called Nikola Tesla because
the guy is from around here. And we learned electronics,
basically. That's how I grew up to be, I suppose.
But when it got time to start actually working,
my first job was actually not with electronics,
but as a system administrator of Linux. So it
went into that direction pretty much. Okay. And
what about the presence? What do you currently
work on? Systems administrator? I don't know
if you want to share that or keep it private.
Iceblade in chat is correct. Much better translation
than I did. But yeah, currently I do have...
It's a mix of a lot of stuff. But it has a lot
of system administration. It has a lot of networking
administration. It has... applications layer
and virtualization and there is a lot of linux
mostly rocky linux not by my own choice it's
more like it came with the job and um because
probably they were in red hat and after the acquisition
they moved to rocky or something the company
whose software I use professionally used to make
their software available only on CentOS. And
CentOS was basically killed by Red Hat, the company.
And the fun part is that you can't really kill
open source free software. It's not possible.
Because what CentOS was, it was basically a carbon
copy of Red Hat Enterprise Linux, but a completely
free version. So a lot of people used that instead
of the paid version of Red Hat. And Red Hat didn't
like that, so they bought the whole thing and
then they killed it. It's now called CentOS Stream,
but that's hardly the same as it used to be.
So basically it's dead. The thing that used to
be CentOS, that's dead. And the fun part is the
guy who was very important in making CentOS,
the same guy said basically... I cannot swear,
but I would like to. He made Rocky Linux, and
let's go again. You can swear. I think you can
swear. What happens if we swear? I have done
it in the past in my videos. Nothing has happened
so far. You could get demonetized, so it's not
a very good idea. Oh, okay, okay. I was around
when... I don't remember the CentOS version,
but... People upgraded to version, I don't remember
exactly what version it was. So in theory, you
had three years, four years, I don't remember.
But then Red Hat decided to kill it like right
away, right? So people were losing their minds
and seeing to what or to which distro to migrate,
right? That's when Rocky Linux came around. Is
that right? Yeah, yeah. But, you know, can we
switch to my screen again? I just want to be
sure that I got it right. So, Wiki sent us...
Let me know when you're ready and I'll switch
to your screen. You can switch. I don't have
anything on my screen that is not supposed to
be seen. So, where is the founder? I don't remember
names. so let's look it up once again the founder
let's try to under okay one of the centos founder
gregory uh created the competing rocky linux
project yes so this uh you know uh the history
repeats so redhead can buy and kill as much as
they like but they really can't kill the free
software no matter how they try So that's how
things work and this is just awesome because
one of my passions is... I'm not doing it out
of spite for big tech, it's just that I love
being a user of software. that is fully independent
from big tech companies and basically it's mine.
And when I say mine, it's not that I made it,
it's mine in a way that this is my laptop and
whatever is on my laptop basically does my bidding.
My laptop does exactly what I want it to do because
I am the one who has installed the software on
it. starting from scratch by choosing the operating
system, choosing the software and there is no
telemetry, there is no company behind it, there
is nothing. It's just open source free software
and is absolutely mine to use as I please and
this is quite liberating and this is not a dig
at users who use Mac or Windows as prime examples
of proprietary software. It's more like a finger
towards these companies that they really can't
have me as a user because I said so. That's what
it comes down to. So I try as much as I can.
with my channel on YouTube and PeerTube and Odyssey
to help anyone who is interested in learning
more about the alternatives. And it's always
up to them, the users who come and watch my content,
to decide on their own. I never tell them you
have to switch to Linux. That's hardly productive.
But if you come to my channel and ask for guidance
or help or to my matrix chat or whatever, I will
provide it because I love doing that. So if you're
the one asking for help, I want to help. If you
don't want help, then I don't want to be a part
of... The group of people who you talk negatively
about, you know, these guys trying to force me
to do something that I don't want. You're a free
person in a free world. You are absolutely free
to choose if you want Windows, if you want Mac,
if you want Linux, if you want BSD operating
systems. Anything is at your disposal, you know.
It's just that me personally, I... really enjoy
using my computer in this way because I have
a couple of Mac friends and I saw on your channel
that yours is very customized and all my other
friends just use it as is and they believe that
Apple software should be used in the way that
Apple has envisioned it and Apple knows best.
I know it sounds funny, but it is their choice
to make this decision. But then I tell them Today
I have changed my window manager into something
completely different from yesterday and I'm very
much enjoying learning some new stuff that I
can do with my desktop and I have placed these
effects that make me happy. They are useless
but they make me happy and they tell me like
they kind of have a hard time sharing my happy
feelings because they tell themselves that they
don't need that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. Let me touch on that for a little
while. I'm sorry to interrupt there. Yeah, yeah.
I did use the Mac the way that Apple designed
it, you know, no window manager. Well, there's
a few basic window managers, right? You manage
your windows, you put them in different desktops,
you scroll with your magic mouse, you switch
between desktops, and you think you're really
effective. After installing a window manager
in macOS, I realized that window managers are
a must. And I use a window manager right now.
There's not a lot in macOS, there's a few, but
they make a whole difference. I keep a single
application on the screen at a time, always in
stack mode. i don't like default mac os i'm pretty
ineffective i don't like binder i don't like
that application at all but i'm i spend most
of my day in the terminal maybe that's that's
why i'm not sure but i don't like default mac
os to be honest yeah well uh i do spend a lot
of time in terminal as well and this is one of
the reasons why the whole desktop environment
doesn't make much of a difference to me but it
kind of depends on what device I'm using because
my laptop is you know the typical laptop size
so on a 14 inch screen I prefer to have all my
applications in full screen except maybe when
I use two of them side by side and it's usually
terminal or something but Let me give you a little
bit of background which is not that far into
my history. Basically, the first time I even
got the desire to try tiling window managers
is when Hyperland became a thing. Do you know
about Hyperland? I have heard it a lot. I have
interviewed a lot of people and they talk about
Hyperland a lot. But I don't understand it because
I'm not a Linux user. Well, it's very simple.
You know how tiling window managers works. I
use tiling. So basically you have manual tiling,
you have automatic tiling, depending on which
kind of window manager it is. Hyperland is an
automatic tiling window manager that also happens
to be very eye candy in terms of effects changing
desktops like by default it slides around spawning
windows appears into the maybe you can pull it
out I think on Hyperland web page they have an
animation that kind of demonstrates this. But
it's pretty much eye candy and it was a lot of,
yeah, somewhere here it should be. Yeah, that
one. So that's actually a very old one and it's
not that choppy. It was choppy like very, very
long time ago, but now it's super smooth. And
I got interested because it was hype. Let's be
honest. And I tried it. Yeah, I tried it. I tried
it, it kind of clicked with me and I used it
for a while especially on a laptop because that's
where it fits me more. I tried to use it on my
desktop computer but on my desktop computer I'm
having difficulties fitting my workflow into
any kind of dialing mode and I'm still working
on it. Thinking whether this could work for me
or not on the big screen. And when I say big
screen, I really mean it because my monitor is
42 inch. So having just one application in full
screen on like, which takes your entire eye view
is a little bit stupid. So too much. Yeah. And
by default, Hyperland, what it does is it puts
either your application full screen or it splits
it in half so you have right and left and already
you have to go with your head left and right
and usually my main content is in the middle
of the screen and i just drag the stuff around
which i don't need uh so yeah this is in mac
os right yeah this is the window manager that
i'm using on mac os but like you said the same
thing i only use one one application, but I have
a small screen. I have a 27 inch monitor because
I used to have a 52 inch TV as a monitor. I switched
to a 27 and I use full screen all the time. Yeah,
it's decent for me. But for chat, for example,
I use this one in tiling mode because I want
to see all of them on the screen at a time. That's
like actually the only case in which I use tiles.
But other than that. I'm always in full screen,
you know. Yeah, I get it. I like to have a lot
of stuff in full screen. So for that reason,
I have my chat on my second monitor, which is
vertical. So right now I have like the two of
us in the top part and the chat in the bottom
part. And that works for me. while having my
main screen completely free. That works for me
even when I play video games. Sometimes I stream
video games and I have to have a video game in
full screen and I have to see the chat so that's
on the other monitor. I just have to have two
screens. It wouldn't work for me. I tried. I
just can't function with just one because this
extra screen gives me extra utility. It's just
how it is. But with laptops, I don't really stream
from a laptop. I don't actively create content
on a laptop. Even when I do create a laptop content
and I do a lot of that, I just plug in the laptop
via HDMI into the capture card on the main PC.
still create content on the main PC while the
capture card is just receiving the HDMI out from
the laptop. Because I have a lot of content where
I reinstall Linux from scratch and people like
to see how it boots up. They like to see me entering
the BIOS settings. You can't really do that any
other way other than having two computers. So
that's how I do that. I kind of got lost how
we even got to this topic. You asked about, yeah,
you asked about, we got to Hyperland somehow,
but I don't know how. It doesn't matter. But
you touched a point and I have questions about
something you mentioned. So is Hyperland, is
the word Hyperland hype then? So is that why
Hyperland has the hype? word in it because hyperlent
is hype or not what are your thoughts as far
as as far as i know uh the guy who made hyperlent
first made a window manager called hyper with
the r and in the end and then he learned about
wayland protocol and then he made a different
version of hyper that works on Wayland and just
added the other part that's like a combination
of Hyper and Wayland which is now Hyperland.
As far as I know this is the correct order of
how things happened with him, with the developer.
So I don't think it has anything to do with hype.
It's just a guy who made his own window manager
because he wanted and It did good. Okay. What
do you use? Because I'm not a Linux user, but
I hear that people talk about Hyperland and the
other one is X11, Xorg. I don't know. No, the
Xorg is the underlying software on pretty much
every Unix and Linux up until pretty much today.
And Wayland is, well, Xorg is a server which
does a lot of things before window managers or
desktop environments even come to be. And they
manage your screen, they manage your drivers
and stuff like that. And then the window manager
just sits on top of the, let's say, display server
right and what they did it kind of became too
complicated I suppose to maintain I'm not a maintainer
or developer so I just take it for granted what
they say but they said at one point like 10 plus
years ago that it's no longer a viable solution
for further development so it slowed down and
they started doing something new called Wayland
and Wayland is not a server Because X display
server is something tangible like an executable
software that actually runs on your computer.
While Wayland being a replacement for this software
is not software at all. It's just a PDF. It's
just a bunch of rules that everyone who makes
a window manager now has to implement. a display
server from scratch on their own by following
these rules so everyone who makes Wayland window
managers should be compliant with the Wayland
protocol in order for the applications to be
compatible whether you use them on Hyperland.
Hyperland works in Wayland mode. Whether you
use KDE desktop environment which can work both
on X server and in Wayland mode. Then you have
GNOME desktop environment also very popular one
which can work on X server but lately they are
starting to cut that off and they are now fully
into the Wayland mode. And then you have a lot
of other window managers that you can still use
on X server. But Wayland is basically just a
protocol that other programmers need to implement
for themselves. I'm not sure if I explained it
very well for everyone, but if you have some
sub questions to guide me to give you a better
answer, I will. Okay. And what do you use personally?
Because one of the main topics or one of the
main reasons why I wanted to interview you is
because you switched from Debian to Arch, but
then you switched back from Arch to Debian. So
what do you currently use at the moment? Do you
use, I don't know, what do you use, Wayland?
Do you use X or? I use Debian as an operating
system, the stable one. and on it I have KDE
Plasma as a desktop environment into which I
log in in Wayland mode and this is now the default
so if you don't really configure anything you
will end up in KDE in this Wayland mode and what
Wayland brings as some good things compared to
the old X server. For example, you can change
the resolution dynamically. It's not that X server
cannot do that, but there are a lot of bad implementations
of this. So often you would have to log out when
you would change the resolution or maybe not
the resolution, but when you change the DPI scaling
in KDE, you would have to log out and log back
in to see the changes. So in the Wayland implementation
of KDE you can now do that fully dynamically.
So that's nice. Also you can have two different
or more monitors with different DPI scaling.
So I have here a normal low resolution monitor
which I keep at 100%. resolution. But the 4K
one is too tiny if I keep it at 100%. I just
can't see the text. So I keep that one at 125%.
You can't do that on KDE in X11 mode. It's just
not implemented. You can do that on Wayland.
So it's kind of going there towards the future.
If you don't care about some of these little
improvements in Wayland, then there is a good
chance that X server might still be a better
option for you because Wayland has drawbacks
as well. So it's not like all, you know, shiny
rainbows, right? Because I'm just gonna draw
another parallel. I grew up with a certain functionality
that I used back in 1995 all the way up until
today and the X server is basically a networking
protocol underneath the X server there is a lot
of networking code and it's very very easy to
use your computer use SSH in your terminal on
your computer to log into a remote server and
just type one command which is export display
to tell the remote server that the next command
that you're going to run in the ssh session should
open on your own computer so you log into a server
whatever elsewhere you start firefox on the server,
but Firefox loads up on your screen locally.
And it works like it's completely locally. It
is restricted how responsive it is, how fast
your networking works. But other than that, it
just feels like it's local. And I got used to
doing these things, you know, I would, as I said,
I'm not a programmer, but I keep trying to learn
and I will keep trying to learn. And often I
would go to the remote session where my server
is and some of my programming stuff. And I would
run X emacs on the server, but it would display
locally on my computer. Why this matters is because
I can just disconnect and reconnect from another
computer to the same session just as you can
do with the normal text mode when you SSH somewhere
and use screen or TMAX you can just resume that
session from wherever if you have run the terminal
multiplexer on the server, right? So the same
way you can just run your graphical GUI applications
on the remote server, but they display locally.
And you do this through X, right? Yeah, X server
is what makes this possible natively. Wayland
technically doesn't have this functionality.
It's not even designed to do something like that.
But then someone else came up with an idea to
try to re -implement this and I made a video
about that. It's called Waypipe. It's a software
that you need to install on your local computer
and on the server or whatever the remote computer
is. And then you can get pretty much the same
functionality, but it's not natively implemented.
You'd have to... install it if you are not an
administrator on the remote server you might
have problems getting that functionality so and
this is useful for you because you don't depend
on your ssh connection right so if your connection
drops it the session remains on the server yes
the session remains on the server and i can just
reconnect or even for example if i'm working
on my desktop computer. I still don't, usually
it's when I practice coding. I do it from my
desktop computer because I feel like sitting
here. And at one point I want to move to the
living room because I don't really use my laptop
actively. I use my desktop computer. And when
I want to move to the living room, I just leave
everything as is, open my laptop and reconnect
and just hijack my server connection and you
know it reroutes to the laptop and basically
it disappears on on my desktop computer it works
very similarly to how t -max feels what are your
thoughts on t -max that was gonna be my next
question do you use t -max yeah it's it's good
uh i used to use screen back when I didn't GNU
screen or GNU back when I didn't know about TMAX
and by default TMAX looks a little bit nicer
with the bar on the on the bottom and with the
tabs visible because I usually have more tabs
like one for for my main screen for programming
another one for the checking out my code compiling
a third one for earth chat usually it just runs
in that same t -max session so i can just move
between at least those three and i just don't
care when it detaches or whatever i can just
reattach it for example i don't know i lie down
in bed and go to sleep and someone told me that
i don't know i should check out something on
irc i don't have irc software on my phone but
i do have ssh program on my phone so i just from
the bed i ssh into my server and tmax attach
and i see my chat session there because it's
still running i like these little i i'm not even
sure if if i should call them hacks because it
they really don't feel like any kind of hacking
it's just the way how I'm used to using Unix
and Linux. But for some people, it might feel
a little bit intimidating. Now, regarding the
other question that I had, right? I watched the
video from Arch to Debian, right? So would you
mind sharing with the audience why the switch
back from Arch to Debian? What happened there?
I used Debian for a long time and I'm really
comfortable in using Debian. And I used Ubuntu
for a while. That one feels pretty much the same.
I tried to use a couple others like derivatives
of Debian. Ubuntu is pretty much based on Debian,
so that's what I meant. But At some point, I
think it was pretty much when I started doing
my YouTube channel, I had the need to show off
a lot of new stuff. Because how else can I demonstrate
something new to the audience if I cannot easily
get it on my computer? And Debian is a stable
distribution by default, which means that you
get new software once in two years. pretty much
stays on this version of software you can use
a system called flatpaks which is a relatively
new thing on linux which feels like another distribution
of linux put on top of yours so it feels like
running i don't know a google play store and
just fetching some applications from somewhere
else not from debian but they do kind of get
installed on your debian so in that way you can
get latest desktop software for a static stable
distribution such as debian which is really practical
but i can't show to the people the new version
of KDE desktop environment because it just says
that the same version until I switch to the next
version of Debian in two years because these
Flatpaks, this Flatpak delivery system for software
is just for desktop applications and basically
nothing else. So you can't really change system
software with that. Arch Linux on the other hand
is a rolling Linux distribution which means that
they don't have releases. Or should I say they
have a new release every day? Either way you
want it both should be correct because every
day you can just run a system update and you
can expect like 50 updates every day. It's pretty
normal. If you don't update for a week you will
get 300 updates. It's perfectly normal on Arch
Linux because everything new that comes out takes
very little time to show up in Arch packages
repository. Let's say two days. Something new
comes out, it goes to the testing phase and in
two days it's already considered stable enough
for the end user. Comparably to that, Debian
starts freezing their package versions roughly
half a year before release so their testing phase
is not two days it's 180 days until they are
satisfied with the end result and then they say
this is now ready for the consumer and in two
years time you'll get new stuff this is good
and bad at the same time I can and will elaborate
but I'm on arch at the moment so I really thought
that Arch should be the perfect distribution
for my needs at the time which is giving me the
latest software. And for a time it really felt
like I did a really good decision because contrary
to the popular belief or to the marketing of
many Arch users, Arch is actually very easy to
use. If you are capable of reading text on the
screen you will definitely be able to go to Arch
Wiki which is absolutely awesome and I mean it
like I truly mean it. You can install Arch Linux
even if you don't know anything about Linux.
You only need to be able to read what the Arch
Wiki tells you and it tells you pretty much everything
you need to type in order to get the system working
and once you get it working all of the defaults
kind of just work. For example, if you want KDE
desktop environment, which is the one that I
like, you just fetch the package from Arch servers,
which is like the main package for KDE, and this
package will automatically pull everything that
it depends on, including all of the drivers and
software and everything that it needs to be pulled
it will pull automatically so you just wait a
couple of minutes after you run one command and
you get a lot of stuff working out of the box
and when you need something else you just fetch
it if they have it in their repository. Funny
enough Debian has about six to seven times more
software than Arch in the repository but it depends
on what your priorities are to have more software
or to have the latest software which is something
that Arch Linux fixes with the community effort
called AUR that is Arch User Repository and what
Arch User Repository is It's a gazillion of packages
uploaded by anyone, literally. So I could upload
malware there if I wanted? You can and people
do that. You can type on the search engine Arch
Linux malware and you will find at least three
this year that happened, maybe more. They do
take it down fairly quickly. So I'm not saying
that they don't monitor it, but... the fact that
anyone can upload is a certain problem on its
own depending on how you want to use your computer
and what do you expect from it. I am one of those
people who puts effort into trusting the source
of the package that I have installed and you
can As I said, Arch user repository is great
in terms of it provides everything that exists
in the universe of Linux. Good or bad, right?
Yeah, they have everything. And for example,
you need this thing and you will most probably
find this thing on Arch user repository. And
you can look at the source code of the script
that installs this thing for you and you can
decide, okay, this doesn't do anything malicious.
I understand this code. I will install it. However,
this script will pull like 10 other scripts as
dependencies from our choose repository that
are uploaded by 10 other random people and many
of these will pull other dependencies from more
random people. I just don't have that much time
to read that many scripts in order to satisfy
my own sense of safety. The first time that I
pulled something from Arch user repository was
day one when I installed Arch. And then I thought,
what did I just do? I don't know. Let's reinstall
the operating system because I have no... It's
not that I broke anything. It's just that I don't
know what I just pulled. You didn't trust it.
Yeah. And then I reinstalled the whole system
and then I decided it was still day one. Then
I just decided our user repository is something
that I will never touch in my entire life. It's
just... I will not spit on it in terms of, you
know, this is bad, don't use it. It's just that
I... will not use it it's not for me please don't
force me to use it but then again in the arch
community it's considered a bit weird if you
don't use arch user repository because if you
don't use arch user repository then why are you
using arch and that's when it hit me like really
why am i using arch i guess it's because of all
of the other stuff that That's refreshed often,
which is desktop environment. Like I can't get
that on Debian, the new versions. What else do
I get from Arch? Well, not much actually. That's
when I started thinking about why am I using
Arch Linux? And then I had some troubles. For
example, I'm going to try to summarize it, but
do you know SDL library? No. It's a very popular
library that gives a hand to the developer to
access sound cards, joysticks, keyboards, inputs,
I don't know. It's a useful library and my favorite
video editor uses this library version 2 in order
to function. And it works and I installed its
Kdenlive. So this software I installed from Arch
Repository and it works for a while. And one
day this software stopped working and I started
troubleshooting why it doesn't work anymore.
And then I find out that SDL version 3 came out
yesterday and Arch Repository already swapped
version 2 for version 3. and now Kdenlive doesn't
work. So it's not really Kdenlive's fault. It
remained on the version that worked yesterday
but the dependency changed to the incompatible
one. And then I reported this to the SDL developer
and he said like we have the back compatibility
layer which should satisfy your dependency and
please help me to fix this and I did provide
some feedback to him and eventually this was
fixed not by Arch but by the SDL developer. But
the story of this scenario is that Arch kind
of rushes to get all of the new shiny things
into the repository because that's what users
expect and that's how this distribution works
and sometimes things will break it's good and
bad at the same time depending on how you feel
and at that moment i really needed my video editor
and it just didn't work so i installed the same
software from the flatpak repository the main
popular repository it's called flat hub and then
it started working again because i installed
a different version that packs the sdl version
within it because it's like a container dependencies
and everything yeah it's like a container uh
so that works but this flat a flat pack version
is literally the same source that i get on debian
so Once I installed Kdenlive from FlatHub, it's
literally the same on any Linux. So if this is
the software that you use, then it completely
doesn't matter which distribution of Linux you
use. It's the same because the source is not
actually Arch or Debian. It's FlatHub, which
is the provider of this. binary packaging system.
And then something else broke later on and then
I downloaded the FlatHub version of that and
after a while I ended up with a lot of Flatpak
software instead of using Arch software. Arch
software is latest and FlatHub is always latest
but the FlatHub software is usually verified
and uploaded by the developer of this application.
While on Arch repository, Kdenlive is not uploaded
by Kdenlive developers, but actually by Arch
maintainers. So they sometimes are unable to
envision all of these scenarios where this could
break. And I'm not faulting them, not one bit.
It's just that after a while it became apparent
to me that I'm using Arch Linux in the same way
I could use Debian. While Debian at the same
time is much more stable and by stable I don't
mean that it crashes because not Arch or Debian
crashes. Crashes happen usually due to bad drivers
in the kernel or stuff like that and the kernel
is the same. I mean, it's still Linux. So it's
not the crashes that are titled stable in Debian,
but the stability of software. If you are a developer
and if you put something, if you design something
to work for Debian version 13, it will remain
absolutely compatible with Debian version 13
for the next five years. because that's how much
the support period lasts. While if you design
something for Arch Linux, you can't target a
version of Arch Linux because it doesn't exist.
At the end of the day, what brought me over the
edge, like I just had enough, is the way that
I make content on YouTube. Very often an idea
pops while I'm driving back home, commuting from
work, and as soon as I enter my home I want to
hit record immediately and get it out of my head.
Because I never have a script, I just do. And
my microphone just stays here. And I just take
it in my hand. It's already connected. My camera
is already positioned. Everything is in place.
Even my computer is not turned off. It's just
waiting for me. I just come home and click record.
And this one time, that was the last straw, Arch
Linux told me, no, you're not recording. Not
today. Not today. OBS is now not working. And
imagine a cartoon character turning from pink
color of the face to the red color of the face
and steam going out of its head. And I'm like,
okay, let's make a video about how I'm now going
to switch to Debian back because I just can't.
My computer has to work. the same as it did yesterday
because it serves me and I don't really enjoy
repairing it if I'm not the one who broke it.
If I break it, I will be very happy to fix it
because that's the learning process. But if it
doesn't work the same today as it did yesterday,
it really doesn't feel like something that I...
that is designed for me so that's when I returned
to Debian and it's been a while since then I
don't know how many days weeks or months have
passed but people have been telling me in the
replies you will be back and I really don't feel
it honestly I really don't feel it Whatever I
feel like I want to test, there are other ways
to test. For example, Distrobox is a software
that uses containers such as Docker in a way
that you can launch a Docker container that is
Arch Linux, that is Fedora Linux. that is SUSE
Linux and you just enter the container, install
whatever you need inside that container from
the Arch packages and just run it on your computer.
It works. It's not emulation. It's just a container.
So it basically runs full speed. And if I need
something bare metal, I just install it on one
of my laptops. I have two and they serve my needs.
both for my mobility computing and for testing
purposes. So I feel like my adventure with Arch
was really necessary in order to better appreciate
Debian. Okay, now I have a question for you.
The Nix users have been very quiet in chat. I'm
not sure if my chat doesn't work, but they must
be like now going through a lot of feelings because
there's another way of fixing all this situation.
Because if you install Nix, I have been told
that a lot of times. I don't use Nix, by the
way. But if you install Nix, it's all declarative.
So you declare your configuration and if something
breaks, you just roll back and... Nothing ever
happened. What are your thoughts on Nix? Never
tried it. I don't have any driver to try it.
I don't know. Maybe if my community would ask
me to try it, I probably would. But from what
I read about it, I don't feel like Nix would
solve anything for me. Even more so, I am following
the Linux cast. Oh, yeah, Matt. Matt, yeah. And
he switched to Nix. And the first time that I
saw him saying that something that worked yesterday
is no longer working, I'm like, hell no. No,
no. I watched that as well. Yeah, and I said,
no, no, no. Even if you can easily roll back,
I don't... When I even turned my computer off
for it to work again. I'm not sure if I'm just
lucky or something. I don't know what the experience
is with your other friends that use Mac. But
I install all my packages through Homebrew in
macOS. I don't use the Apple Store. That sucks.
It's horrible. It's garbage. I don't like it
at all. I like to have my packages in a file.
If I deploy a new Mac, I install all of the packages,
you know, via Homebrew. And I just all at once.
install them if i need to update them they update
them but it has never broken on me you know i
use obs a lot audio issues never have any audio
issues i don't know if it's the way that they
package things i don't know if the packages are
containerized or something so that's why you
don't get affected by by dependencies or something
but um that's one of the things that i like about
mac and like i'm saying i'm not saying mac is
perfect maybe I have been lucky. Maybe that's
not the case with everyone else. If someone in
the comments uses Mac, let me know if that's
the experience that you get as well. But do you
have any thoughts on that? I think I have seen
that Homebrew actually exists on Linux as well
in the pretty much same form as on Mac. It's
just that it kind of feels redundant for me because...
That's not how I used to do things on Linux.
Yeah, because you already have a package manager,
right? But here in macOS, I don't, right? So
I have the Apple Store, which is trash. So I
need a way to install packages, which is as long
as I trust the source. My Mac friends are very
colorful in terms of one is a hardcore Apple
user and also a programmer. Another one is a
very basic. computer user and the only reason
why he bought a mac in the first place is because
they told him it has a good battery life and
he really didn't care what operating system it
is he just uses a web browser pretty much so
it's a it's a web browser with a good battery
for him so that's another type of user and i
have a couple more in between but i think the
one that is a programmer he is like my, let's
say, favorite Mac user to do any kinds of comparison
with or he really likes to talk these topics
with me. So that gives me opportunity to talk
to him. And he's one of those that don't change
anything from the way Apple designed it. Except
that he does use homebrew for some stuff that
he needs. I just forgot what it was. He said
that he uses homebrew because some things are
not available in any other way. And he needs
those things. But I think he's a JetBrains user
or something like that. I'm not sure. He uses
a lot of these very popular... commercial tools
that help him to be faster and more productive
and stuff like that as i said i am not a programmer
i am just learning so i can't even begin to pretend
that i am chasing some kind of productivity optimization
or whatever i just need a text editor that can
put some color on my code so that i don't miss
some kind of uh um i i suck with some english
words but uh parentheses you know uh so you're
from croatia yeah yeah croatia okay i i have
a fairly fine experience with general english
language but i'd never talk in english with other
programmers so some of these words are not very
often coming out of my mouth so that's why i
get stuck um but yeah okay do you have any thoughts
on mac os have you ever used mac os or or no
thoughts at all never never used it uh i know
how it became I know how it came to be from you
know back in the day when they fired Steve Jobs
from Apple and then he made another operating
system and then they practically bought his new
company and integrated his operating system into
what we know about Mac as a Mac today. I know
it has some free BSD components in there, but
other than being of Unix, how do you say... How
do you say it in English? Unix certified? Not
certified, but... no no no your parents and grandparents
where you are coming from right uh i wanted to
say this right yeah i mean it's it it's based
what i meant is that it's coming from the unix
family but i wanted a different word um so yeah
it is coming from unix family but also it's very
closed uh as much as apple is able to keep it
closed i doubt that users like you would allow
apple to close it like ipad os is uh because
then you would be unable to do anything on it
anymore i i would switch i would go to and that's
yeah go on go on uh i wasn't planning to add
anything meaningful but you know uh i i think
the power users of Mac are those who are keeping
Apple from closing it fully. So just being able
to install stuff like Homebrew and whatever window
managers. Yeah. So that's still a good light
on the whole operating system and at least in
comparison to microsoft at least apple pretends
that they care about my privacy so from that
perspective i can hold them to their word it
although i will not give them a chance to have
some of my sensitive information but in contrast
to windows who just gives it out loud like we
are now screenshotting everything that you do
like every second and you can search for what
you did like a year ago and it will tell you
yeah about that website can you forget that i
was on that website please you know and uh no
it's it's a black market already all of that
info well they do say that it's locally on your
computer and it's not that I don't believe them
that it's locally it's just that I have no proof
for that because it's closed software proprietary
software you know but more closed than proprietary
and if you cannot inspect the code then how do
you absolutely know that this information is
not going anywhere. You can't. You can just trust
them to a certain degree. And then there is another
problem. Windows as the most popular desktop
operating system is the most targeted by all
kinds of malicious people. Let's just group them
in that way. And they now know that like let's
say that I'm a Windows user they now know that
me as a user of Windows have this database of
really really nice stuff that they should be
getting their hands on and this is located in
this place on my on my SSD and they know exactly
what I need to take from my computer whether
they will use phishing methods whether they will
use some security holes that I still don't know
about it doesn't really matter all that matters
is that Microsoft has now made it easier for
the malicious people to get their hands on something
very dear to me, which is my privacy. Whether
this local database contains only my password
to my Google account, which matters to me because
my YouTube account is on it, But, you know, there
can be some other stuff that's less important.
If stolen, whatever. There could be some photos
of my family, which I really don't want to share
around. It's mine, you know, my photos. I have
my personal albums. So there could be a lot of
other stuff in between. I don't like this, like
Target. I don't like this red spot of the sniper
on my head. Like this is where you need to target.
So from that perspective, I still enjoy using
free software. And yes, Linux cannot do some
things. There is always this, but I need this
application. Okay, fine. I'm not... telling you
that you have to switch to Linux. I'm telling
you that this is a choice for you. If you really
need to work with that application that only
works on macOS or only works on Windows, then
you need to use it. Who am I to say anything
else? You have to use it. I'm lucky that at work
I wasn't... How do I put it? My boss never told
me... Yeah, I'm not forced to use Windows. I'm
only forced to be able to do my job. Okay. And
my boss tells me to install whatever you want.
Just be able to do your job. And I was like,
yeah. And let's put Linux on my laptop. And there
is one application that I really need to use.
And that is Windows only. But luckily it works
in Wine. And Wine is Windows compatibility layer
on Linux. So from that perspective. thumbs up
for me and I'm perfectly happy. A lot of other
people cannot switch that easy because they rely
on all kinds of software that doesn't exist.
But at the same time I try to preach and live
at the same time the mantra. If there are two
softwares of a similar use case, like they are
used for the same thing and one is proprietary
and another one is free software and by free
software I mean open source can be modified freely
shared around that kind of free software and
if this free software satisfies all my needs
I will use free software rather than using what
is publicly considered better software because
in my eyes these softwares are the same because
I do not use this extra functionality that makes
this better software. So for me in case of let's
say Photoshop and Gimp, Gimp is better simply
because Photoshop cannot do anything that Gimp
cannot do that I need. Okay, makes sense. Yeah
and there are a lot of people who I know and
other content creators who are primarily gamers
but I don't think gaming has anything to do with
it but the fact that a lot of them choose Photoshop
to make their thumbnails because they know that
Photoshop is the best software in the world so
they want the best software and they don't really
wants to be persuaded into anything other than
Photoshop and this is their choice. So I can't
do anything about that except wait for someone
who wants to talk these topics. Okay. Now, I've
been thinking about Linux because I'm on a Mac
right now. That's my main machine, right? But
when I'm... in calls with four guests, right?
I receive all those video streams. I also receive
their screens. So sometimes I receive eight video
streams on the computer and that hits it really
hard. And it becomes a little bit slow because
it's a lot of processing that it has to do with
all that video. And then it has to stream it
to YouTube, Twitch, and all that. You know, pretty
powerful machine. But I would like to leave it
as... My streaming machine, like the brains,
right? And I've been thinking about what Linux
distro to use because I have another machine
back there. I installed Arch, but I never logged
into it. I didn't, no. I feel the same way that
you do with Arch. I don't need the latest and
greatest, right? So I've been thinking about
Debian because I run Debian in all my different
servers, right? But I don't have a desktop environment
there, right? Just headless servers, BSSH. What
would you do on that Linux computer? What would
it be used for if Mac remains your main streaming
machine? Switch OBS scenes. That would be, I
would control my Mac through that machine to
switch scenes in OBS. Yeah. And show my terminal,
show the browser, you know, just record the videos
pretty much sometimes. Some other times in the
Mac. I'm not sure if I understood correctly.
On Linux, you would... use OBS on Linux instead
of on Mac? On the Mac, it would remain on the
Mac, but you can, what is this, the API that
you can expose from OBS, I would expose that
in my local network, and I could control my OBS
on the Mac from the Linux machine over the network,
right? How would that make your Mac less sweaty?
Oh, because... When I'm streaming, I have four
guests, for example. I have to switch to my scene,
I have to switch to my terminal, to my browser.
And then, you know, with all of the other stuff
that it has to do, it gets a little bit laggy,
right? And it doesn't... Okay, so you would put
some stuff on the other computer just to make
it breathe a little bit easier. Yeah, just to
make it breathe a little bit. Exactly, exactly.
Well, that's hardly anything complex that needs
to be discussed, I suppose. I mean, in theory,
I'm not saying you should do this if you're used
to doing this on the Mac, but in theory, you
could put an NVIDIA card on the PC and use that
one with OBS to mix a lot of streams at the same
time because NVENC... It's a small machine. I
cannot put graphics card. Oh, that one, okay.
That one, no. That kind of solves the whole idea,
yeah? Yeah. But what I meant is that with an
NVIDIA card on Linux, you would be able to do
pretty much the same as you would be able to
do with a Mac, what they call it, like Pro Max.
CPUs, you know, the higher end CPUs that have
more graphics power. But the difference in cost
is usually substantial if you go to that kinds
of Macs. And especially if you go with high amounts
of RAM, which costs like peanuts on PC, while
Apple asks a lot of money for RAM and you can't
upgrade them unless you're using a thick Mac.
pro the big bucket on the laptop that i'm using
i cannot do anything about it but what distro
would you recommend for me to try there i'm thinking
about debian and i'm like debian debian debian
that's what my logic tells me to do right even
though everyone sells says arch or try nix and
i'm like no i'm not gonna learn nix no so the
thing is there isn't that much truly meaningful
difference between all of the Linux distributions.
They are all based on the same kernel and kernel
means all of the drivers. So that's like the
half of the system already. Then you have your
GNU utils which make up all of the basic commands
like ls, watch... stuff like that. Typical terminal
commands. This is all the same on pretty much
every distribution and the only meaningful difference
is the package manager and the package repository.
So it all comes down to whether you would benefit
from having your software change every day or
you would benefit more from your computer working
the exact same in terms of reliability as it
did yesterday and the month before that and the
month before that, meaning you will not experiment
on it too much. That's where stable distribution
shine and You know, you can use Debian, you can
use Red Hat Enterprise Linux, if that's your
thing, or Rocky Linux. Well, it wasn't meant
to be a joke, but it is a lineup of stable distributions
that tend to change when they change, you know.
So you can, I don't know, there is also something
that I would call like, I don't know. that makes
sense but something in between rolling and stable
like there is a distribution called open mandriva
that one is one of the i'm missing a word independent
distributions right so what i mean by independent
is you have mint linux mint which is not independent
it uses debian or ubuntu like like for the 99
their distribution and then change it. They change
it a little bit to make it minty. And what OpenMandriva
is, it's an independent distribution and the
reason why I mentioned it is they call it a rolling
distribution but it doesn't really roll like
Arch Linux, like random packages every day. Basically
They have a version of OpenMandriva which is
only for testing and they put new stuff every
day into this testing branch which you don't
use for a month and after a month a new update
just drops with everything. But this everything
is sort of tested. It feels like it's a new release
but coming every month. So it's... It's kind
of a middle ground between rolling and stable,
but it updates all of the time. Meaning like
once per month. And you have all kinds of different
stuff like Fedora. Linux updates once every half
a year. So that's fairly often. But in between,
it updates the kernel every time. a new version
comes out even the minor one so basically you
get like kernel update every week but also we
get a lot of patches and even sometimes desktop
environments gets new versions so Fedora would
be like they call it a stable distribution like
something that changes twice per year but in
reality it changes quite a lot under the hood
in between these six months time So for people
who are let's say gamers with AMD graphics cards
sometimes they will want latest graphics drivers
and you get them for AMD graphics card with the
kernel with the new version of kernel because
that's how AMD does their new versions of graphics
drivers. They put them in the kernel and you
need to install the new kernel. That's their
open source drivers. NVIDIA, on the other hand,
they have their proprietary drivers that you
install separately, so it doesn't matter if you're
on Arch or on Debian, you can have the latest
version of NVIDIA drivers because they are somewhat
detached from the system, at least from the package
manager perspective. And you have a lot of choices.
Now, I cannot pretend that I'm not biased because
I love Debian and the package manager is awesome
and by awesome I think it's really another word
is missing in English but it is capable of maneuvering
a lot of packaging scenarios. And by that I will
give you one really easy example with Arch Linux
that happens to me while I was using Arch Linux.
Arch Linux maintainers have one day decided that...
Can you bring up my screen please? Yeah, I'll
switch to it. You ready? Yeah. Arch Linux. Let
me show it to you. okay okay with this date so
13th of june of this year we split our firmware
into several vendor focused packages linux firmware
is now an empty package depending on your default
set of firmware unfortunately this coincided
with upstream reorganizing the sim leak blah
blah blah blah blah result resulting in situation
that our package manager cannot handle. So we
have made a change to our own operating system
and made it unhandlable by our own package manager.
This literally says here. So now as a user you
have to, where is it, to progress first remove
the firmware and then reinstall it as a part
of the operating system upgrade. So these steps
are easy. And I'm not saying that this is hard
to do. You just have to read the Arch webpage
to be introduced to these breaking changes and
what is required from you as a user to continue
using Arch unbroken. This is easy. What I wanted
to say is that Pacman as their package manager
is unable to handle their own change in the operating
system. And I am 101 % sure that apt package
manager in Debian can handle such changes if
Debian would introduce them. And they do introduce
such changes between the Debian versions. For
example, there is the init system on Linux. The
most popular nowadays is systemd which has a
lot of love -hate relationship with a lot of
users. What do you think that is? I have seen
that as well. Yeah, I can try to answer that.
But before that, I just wanted to say about apt
package manager of Debian. Debian didn't use
systemd always. In one version, they did switch
to systemd from the old sysvinit system. And
this is a huge change. This is a really big,
big change that changes a lot of things in your
system because init system is the first thing
that boots after the kernel wakes up and it handles
the rest of your system. And the apt package
manager was... programmed in a way that when
you upgrade from this version of Debian with
the old init system to this version of Debian,
the next one, it just transitioned. It managed
to replace everything for everything new and
it worked. So I think this is a high praise of
this package manager which not many people appreciate.
I am not saying that you should appreciate the
package manager. After all, the package manager
is something that should get out of your way
and you shouldn't worry about it too much. And
this is exactly why I'm mentioning Pac -Man here
because it didn't manage to get out of my way.
And so from that perspective, I think Pac -Man
has a lot of food remaining to eat, to grow up
and stuff like that. As for systemd, that's for
kids. Arguing about systemd is for kids. And
what can I say? The beauty of Linux is that if
you don't like this piece of software, just don't
use it. version of Linux distribution that you
are used to has switched the version of software
that you liked for something that you now don't
like for example systemd then why would you continue
using this distribution if it contains something
that you don't want to use just switch to another
one of the 200 distributions out there and you're
fine I mean It's a bit silly. I can understand
that some bigger forces are playing a role here
and they are pushing systemd everywhere, starting
from Red Hat. But if the community is... Guys
who speak Croatian, how do you say složno in
English? If you play together, like the whole
Linux community, if you... Did you hear that
lightning? Yeah, I did. It was very strong. Yeah,
raining is about to start here, man, and it gets
crazy. Go on. I'm sorry. I mean, if the community
really stands together, they can... make alternatives
as usable as the mainstream software in this
case an init system right so you have like Gentoo
which uses I think the sysrc init package init
daemon that one is mostly designed by them and
they are the main ones who use it. Some distributions
still use the old sysv init that still comes
from the Unix age. As long as these distributions
keep maintaining these init systems they remain
a viable way of using your Linux computer and
you're not forced into using systemd if for any
reason you dislike it. I mean There is a good
argument against this systemd is that a lot of
people like the Unix philosophy which says do
one thing only and do it the best possible way.
That's hardly a good example, but it's a good
joke. But what sysv init system was doing, was
only taking care of other demons running. It's
like this demon would run first and it would
lend its hands to all the other demons and help
them get up on their feet to start working on
your system. What SystemD is doing is helping
other demons to start up, other services to start
up. It also manages your login system with your
graphical environment. It also manages some of
your sound system. It also manages some of your
drivers. It has its fingers everywhere like a
huge octopus. And a lot of people think that's
a very bad idea because... when something goes
wrong in this Megalodon software then a lot of
other fails of this octopus will cause the rest
of the system to fail as well. But then you have
a contra argument is that a lot of things integrate
very well with systemd and it makes the systemd
itself makes a lot of other programmers job easier
because they can rely on systemd to do stuff
for them for example if you would want let me
give you a really stupid example i want to run
emacs daemon automatically when i log into my
computer and i just tell my user systemd part,
please take care that my Emacs must be running
at all times. I mean Emacs daemon. And it's very
easy to configure. It's like one line. And systemd
takes care that my Emacs daemon is always running.
If I wouldn't have systemd, the alternative is
to use the built -in daemon functionality of
Emacs, which is basically run Emacs dash daemon.
But If it crashes for any reason, you have to
program it on your own to automatically restart.
You have to make your own script for that or
whatever. You have to take care of it. But with
SystemD, you can just tell it, please make sure
that this works. And it does. So it has its cons
and pros. the majority of Linux distributions
are heading towards using systemd and it is what
it is. I wouldn't personally worry about it too
much unless you really really want to keep Linux
as rainbowy as possible and by rainbowy I mean
all kinds of different solutions that do the
same thing, so you have more choices in the matter.
At the end of the day, if you just want to be
a user and have your operating system out of
your way, the best Linux distributions that do
exactly that are the ones that we call stable
Linux distributions, meaning those that tend
to come out once in two years or up to once every
half a year you know and the rolling ones will
usually give you other benefits while at the
same time keep you very entertained into fixing
your computer and feeling like a hacker while
at the same time losing a lot of time into fixing
something that maybe should give you time to
invest into something else and once again I will
repeat it's not a bad thing but personally I
have good experience with Linux and I don't need
extra artificially induced problems with my computer
other than those things that I break on purpose.
because they want to break them and they want
to see how they break and they want to see how
they are to be fixed and this is how we learn
things. Okay, okay. Makes sense. I want to ask
you as well about some controversial distribution,
we could call it that way. I had an interview
recently with three other guys. Tony was one
of them. Remisk, Joshua Blaze, they have YouTube
channels, right? We touched on a point there
about this distro. Have you heard about it? Omarchi?
Tony doesn't like it. It's a current hype. Yeah,
that's right. What are your thoughts on it? Have
you used it? Do you have any thoughts, anything
you want to share about it? Well, the guy who
made it is a creator of Ruby on Rails, so it's
a very popular figure. Don't think that he created
this distribution to be used by a vast majority
of people. I think he's making it for his own
pleasure. That's how I see it. I think he's making
it for his own pleasure. He calls it opinionated,
but what it actually means, I configure it this
way and everyone is going to use it this way
because you will want to. My way is the best
way. If you don't want my way, then feel free
to use whatever else there is. But the way he
designed it is like a lot of people who are unable
to use Arch because they're not technically competent
to read the Arch Wiki. Then they like to have
something that is pre -configured out of the
box. and it's basically the same for everyone
and I have a couple of reasons why I will not
use omarchi and these are not necessarily the
reasons for other people. First, it is based
on Arch Linux and I'm not saying that Arch is
bad. I'm saying that everything that is based
on Arch is bad. because i have no clue why it
exists arch linux is an independent distribution
a really good one if it suits your needs and
from my point of view everything that is based
on arch is just whatever i don't know why it
exists like if you want to use arch use arch
all of the other distributions that just attach
themselves onto the arch package manager and
onto the arch package maintainers is just like,
now I'm going to say something really, really
ugly. And I'm going to get a lot of hate for
this, but I really want to say it in this way.
You know what leeches do? So if you want to design
your own Linux distribution, Why don't you do
it properly? Your own package manager. Yeah,
do everything from scratch. Be the man. Be the
man. Do everything properly. and make an independent
distribution and don't depend on Debian, don't
depend on, you know, a lot of these distributions
are like, I have tweaked the kernel a little
bit. And that's that's a dig for the what's it
called? Cache UIS. We have tweaked the kernel
a little bit. So it's now 0 .5 % faster in video
games. And we are now we are now very very good
Linux distribution, but essentially we are just
Arch Linux with a slightly modified kernel. Whatever,
dude. A lot of other distributions are very similar
in this way and I'm not saying they should stop
existing. I'm only saying that I don't see the
reason why I would use any of them. I like Debian
for what it is. I do like Arch Linux for what
it is. Don't get me wrong. I'm not an Arch hater.
I really like it for what it is. But I don't
see myself using it anymore. Then NixOS is really,
really cool in its own way. But once again, I'm
the one who doesn't see myself using it. Maybe
I will change my mind. I don't know. But right
now, I don't think I will. And there are a couple
more like Fedora, Linux, really unique in its
own way and stuff like that. So, I don't know.
At the same time, I do recommend Zorin and I
will explain this why. Zorin is based on Ubuntu
and they don't change much, but they... tweak
the default GNOME environment with their own
skins that resemble Mac and Windows a lot. They
have multiple skins you can pick and choose.
This alone helps the newcomers from these two
operating systems to feel slightly warmer like
at home because it kind of looks like what they
used to be using and I'm talking primarily about
normal users. Okay, the normies. Normies, yes.
Yeah, that's not a bad word. That's a word for
people who want their computer to get the hell
out of their way. They just want to use it, and
they are used to... Zorin did a couple of things
just right, in my opinion, and this is why I
recommend it to the new people. When you're a
new person coming from Windows, you're used to,
like, I want OBS. let's see do you want OBS and
the way that you have used to downloading OBS
on Windows is you go to OBS website you click
download and the OBS web page is stupid enough
that it will offer you Windows version first
and it will not automatically recognize what
OS you are on and maybe by reflex you will click
on the Windows button it will download obs .exe
on your Zorin OS and you will run this icon.
It looks like a normal Windows installer. You
can run it and it pops up with a little message.
This is what Zorin does. We have detected that
you're trying to install OBS. We have a lot better
place for you to install this in. on Linux, please
click this button to take you to Linux store
to install it properly like a native Linux package.
It's a small text and the buttons are like...
the highlighted button is the one that takes
you to linux store and the non -highlighted button
is no i know what i'm doing i want to install
the windows version and if you install the windows
version of obs then the windows compatibility
layer fires out automatically and installs itself
fully in a fully automated way and it works with
windows binaries but generally Yeah, true wine,
but it is so well automated by the Zorin team
that you will not notice that this is wine. It's
just, do you want to run this executable that
is Windows? We can do that for you. And you click
yes and it works. Of course, it still works as
good as anything else works in wine. Zorin doesn't
make wine work better. They only make it easier,
to use because with raw wine you have to understand
how the config files work and stuff like that
with Zorin it is just pre -configured for a lot
of different packages and when you click okay
take me to the store it takes you to the like
Zorin kind of a store, which is basically GNOME
store, which basically hooks up to the flat hub
and installs the typical latest version of containerized
applications. It really serves the end user normie
in a good way. And once this normie becomes very
comfortable with Linux, most likely they will
try other distributions and then they are ready
to try them on their own. But as a new person
coming towards me to ask for a question, I will
never tell them to try Arch because they will
hate me. And they will hate Linux and they will
hate all of the YouTubers because I told them
to use Arch. So it's not a good way to build
Linux community. And I don't mean my community,
I mean the whole Linux community. If you want
new users, you have to help them with onboarding
the best you can. And I would like to recommend
Debian, but it's not that easy to install for
a plain normie. Yeah, for a beginner. It's just
not. And I can make all of the guides for that,
but Zorin is just a lot easier. It's just literally
next, next, next. What do you use on servers?
Do you run any distro on your servers? Yeah,
all of them are Debian. Okay, that's what I was
thinking when I decided to, you know, do you
use any hypervisor? Do you have a home lab or
something or no? yeah yeah i i use uh the built
-in hypervisor in the uh in linux okay the kvm
in the kernel kernel uh what is it called kernel
virtual machine okay okay okay um because i was
thinking okay what should i use in all my servers
and i was ubuntu is what you see everywhere but
i was like but why am i going to go with this
kid of Debian, why don't I go to the daddy directly?
Why don't I go to the source? Is there a reason
why people use Ubuntu on servers? I have been
using Debian on servers for years and have installed,
well, I installed Docker on them, Kubernetes,
and I just run stuff in Docker and Kubernetes,
right? Those host machines don't do much. Some
of them do, right? I have my DNS servers on Debian,
some cluster clusters as well. But why do people
use... something other than Debian in servers,
you know, when they could be using Debian? Well,
for one thing, Ubuntu is the child of a company
called Canonical. So the moment when we say company,
there are some monetary goals. Okay, so the fact...
Not marketing. The fact that Canonical is a company
and they need money to exist. This is what gives
you slight confidence that they will do everything
in their power to keep that system good for selling.
In the lack of a better way to express myself.
People are sometimes wondering how come Debian
comes out with a long -term support kernel and
they stick to it because the upstream is giving
them patches for this kernel for a long time,
which is kind of logical. How come Ubuntu doesn't
come with a long -term support kernel but they
pick a random one which is not a long -term support
kernel? The reason is very simple. The difference
between long -term support kernel which comes
out once per year in January or actually in December
but at the switch of the year. The reason why
Ubuntu uses the random latest kernel is because
there is no difference between the LTS one and
the latest one except the latest one has the
latest drivers. and canonical has their own kernel
developers who maintain this version of kernel
on their own so it may not be officially called
the long -term support kernel but technically
it's actually supported longer the one in ubuntu
lts is actually supported for longer than the
one that linux upstream considers long -term
support kernel because i don't know by heart
i think right now the lts kernel officially is
supported for three years someone correct me
if i'm wrong but i think it's three years now
the latest information while the ubuntu lts that
doesn't even ship with lts kernel is giving support
for 10 years So they do patch your kernel for
a very long time. They do it themselves. They
have the manpower to do that. They have people
on payroll that do these things. So Debian team,
on the other hand, they can use their resources
a lot better by bringing more packages, taking
care that everything is... properly polished
and stuff like that and they leave the kernel
stuff to the kernel people so from that perspective
you could get like longer support if that's something
that you would care about i don't know personally
i just switched to the next debian system once
this one is finished what do you do do you install
it from scratch or you just sometimes depending
on what i do sometimes i upgrade if i if i don't
see any problems on my server and sometimes it
happens that over time I did some experiments
and I kind of feel like I want to go clean and
I reinstall everything. It depends on how I feel
about this particular machine when the time comes,
right? So my main server is running Debian 12,
although Debian 13 has come out four months ago.
But there is no reason why I would have to upgrade
because my Debian 12 main server still does everything
in the same way that Debian 13 would do for me.
And it's still fully supported. So I have still
time to transition to the Debian 13. And not
transitioning day one gives me less potential
headaches. with day one releases so i'm that
kind of a stable users user i want my servers
to never go down because of my thirst for the
latest and greatest now if they go down do you
have a rule to upgrade or something because i'm
also on deviant 12 on this server and i have
not even updated not even packages for a long
time and that's also another thing that i want
to ask you about unattended upgrades i don't
remember but i heard drew mention something about
that you know but two questions yeah do you have
a rule like okay so i'm gonna update this year
or this month every year or every few years and
what are your thoughts on automatic security
updates oh security updates you you should update
them as soon as possible but depends on what
your server is doing The servers that are exposed
publicly, and I have some, these guys I patch
all the time. Like all the time. Makes sense.
All the time. The reboot don't matter. If there
is a new kernel that's patched, I just install
it. fairly immediately and reboot because that's
what you need to do. And is that done automatically
or you do it manually? No, manually. Always manually
because I don't trust anything automated because
if other people depend on this server being up
and running and the server updates itself on
its own and something bad happens, Even if it's
a little problem, but it's still a problem that
users notice. And I'm away, completely detached
from any computer access. That's bad. So I time
my updates for everything that I host in public
to when I will be able to deal with it for a
while. I give myself time. But I do have a lot
of servers on my home lab that are behind the
firewall that don't really need to be updated
all the time because people just can't reach
them. Is there something you want to demo on
your side? Do you want to demo your workflow
or something? To be honest, I don't think I have
anything meaningful to show on this particular
computer. My desktop computer, as I said, was...
reinstalled with debian and ever since i got
back to debian i didn't really fill it up with
anything that would feel like nonsense it just
does what it needs to do you can switch to my
screen But it is going to be a little bit boring.
So this is the default wallpaper that comes with
KDE Plasma. And I haven't changed this from day
one. And the reason why I haven't changed the
wallpaper is because I never see it except now.
I am always in this mode or in similar modes.
And usually the wallpaper is covered. So I don't
see the point of a wallpaper. So I just leave
it be. There is the GIMP software. You use DaVinci.
That's what I use on Mac OS. Yeah, I'm going
to come to that in a moment. I was going to go
through all of the icons randomly. Basically,
this is the way I do my thumbnails. It's nothing
special. You have these layers and I just put
them around and whatever, you know. I do some
effects, shadows, whatever. That's GIMP. I don't
use it to a very deep degree, so to speak. Someone
noticed on your stream that I have Visual Studio
Kodium installed. The reason why I have Kodium,
although Visual Studio Code is also free and
open source, but the binary distributed version
of Visual Studio Code has a lot of telemetry
in there. And once again, it's not like I'm hiding
any secrets. It's just that it's none of Microsoft
business what I'm doing on my computer. And this
is why Visual Studio Code. And I don't actually
code much in this. The reason why I have Kodium
is only for one reason and that is because I
was trying to learn how to code in Assembler
and the Kodium or Visual Studio Code has this
extension called Amiga assembly and this extension
knows how to code in Assembler for Amiga and
it gives me some color highlights. It gives me
back to some of the code. When you highlight
anything or just hover, it tells you how this
command works and what it does. So it's a little
bit easier to remember and stuff like that. I
can't really do that in Vim or Emacs or anything
like that. I need this particular extension that
helps me to learn faster. And that's the only
reason why I use Visual Studio Code or Kodium,
whatever you want to call it. And there is my
virtual machine manager. It needs my password.
And this is one of my servers, which I have in
my home lab. So these are the virtual machines
that are running on what I... like to call my
main server, and my main server looks exactly
the same as your computer that you had in your
hands a couple of minutes ago. It has 4 terabytes
SSD and 32 gigs of RAM. The tiny Lenovo, right?
Yeah, the micro ones. Yeah, tiny. M720. And on
it I have the backup. software running as one
virtual machine. I have my next cloud running
as a separate virtual machine. I have my Pi Hall
running as a third machine. I have my home assistant
for some home automation as a separate virtual
machine. This is Jellyfin for watching movies.
This is some of my experiments. Well, it kind
of became my main web server actually if you
go to uh well let me show you this like boss
headquarters this is my like a new brand uh i'm
trying to hook up you notice this on matrix i
have this name so linux renaissance is like my
youtube channel and everything else that i do
will be attached to this name So I have a matrix
server that runs on this domain. I have some
other services that run on this domain. I have
started the quiz thing. I don't know if you have
seen it. No, I haven't. Yeah, last week was the
first or the pilot episode or the episode zero.
I have hired the first contestant. It feels a
little bit like who wants to be a millionaire,
but with a twist and different rules and with
Linux questions. And this guy was on the show
and he scored some points and stuff like that.
This is also like attached to to this FOSS headquarters
brand and I have a lot of other plans that I'm
going to attach to this brand. But generally
the page that I have just loaded is loading from
this light http demon on this virtual machine
and this is a Debian SID installation. SID is
the like a rolling release of Debian. Is there
a reason for that? Yeah, on Sundays I keep Linux
classrooms and I teach people Linux under the
hood live on stream. And we usually use the rolling
distribution for that because it kind of gives
us the insight into new and shiny stuff. But
I still like it to be Debian, so that's why it's
Sid. My Matrix server is also running on this
little tiny machine. This is my Minecraft server,
the video game, which is currently not running
because I haven't played it for a while. So it's
just taking up RAM for no reason. And this one
as well, I was testing OpenBSD for a while on
the VM, but now I'm using it actually on my laptop,
so I don't need this one. And this is my PeerTube.
running here so there is a whole bunch of stuff
running on just one server this is my youtube
basically i have like a mirror of my youtube
channel which you can watch on this domain without
any ads or nagware or like with full privacy
respecting I just don't know who watches this.
The only thing that I know is that views go up
and that's all. I have no clue who watches it,
where do they come from or whatever. I just have
these views go up and down and I'm pretty satisfied
with that because there are obviously, if you
can see from views, there are obviously some
users that prefer to watch my stuff in this way
rather than on YouTube. And I do respect that
a lot. And I absolutely feel the need to have
this option for them. So, you know, sometimes
it's like 14 views, sometimes it's 150. It is
what it is. Okay. And what do you use for your
terminal? And also, are you a Neovim or Emacs
person? Well, I think Emacs, but... Yeah, yeah.
For the terminal in KD, I just use the built
-in one. the console any thoughts on kitty and
ghosty in western neo fetch i don't have any
fetch software installed i think uh do i have
no fast fetch then yeah you see how cool or uncool
i am i don't even have fast fetch fast fetch
uh that's for kids i have it but just yeah i
know i know Yeah, I have it too. Okay, so now
you see my computer here. Actually, let's make
it bigger. So now it's nicer. Well, that's my
main computer. And the reason why I use Konsole
is because Konsole comes pre -installed with
KDE. It fits into the KDE visual design language.
Technically it does everything that I expect
from a terminal emulator, so there is literally
no reason why I should even try to switch to
anything else. Except for when I was trying Hyperland.
Hyperland by default has a small dependency on
kitty, the terminal emulator called kitty, and
then I had to install kitty out of curiosity.
to see why is it a dependency in the default
configuration of Hyperland and it kind of felt
neat. I used it for a while and when I got back
to KDE I literally just forgot about KDE because
it does have some neat features but I don't really
care. Nothing that would change my life in any
meaningful way. And even on my laptop where I
use OpenBSD now, there I have ST installed, the
Suckless terminal, or simple terminal if you
want. Do you know about Suckless? I have seen
it in videos, but I don't understand what it
is. Well, you always have... in the free software
community you have all kinds of users and there
is a solid group of people who like to use minimal
software in a way that it uses the minimal amount
of bloat in their opinion and it takes up very
little resources you can view this as a good
or bad thing depending on how you view things
in software, but generally what Sackless software
is, as one of your viewers said in chat, they
make everything really small, but just enough
so that it does the job. So, for example, the
Sackless terminal that I use on OpenBSD is 100
kilobytes. and it does everything it does everything
that it needs to do so one of their main things
that they do they don't have configuration files
for anything the way you configure their software
is by downloading source code editing the config
.h file and changing some parameters there and
then recompiling and deploying your binary on
your own. That's one way to configure it. And
another way to configure their software is if
something is missing, then you need to program
the missing functionality on your own. You lost
me there already. Not interested. So that's how
it works. They do have a lot of patches. For
example, their window manager. I also use their
window manager at the moment on my OpenBSD and
I'm gonna explain that one. You have customization
patches. So for the patches you have like shitload
of patches provided by other people. They add
a bunch of different functionalities so you can
actually avoid being a programmer and just apply
other people's patches that add functionality.
This is what Drew was talking about. Drew from
the Linux cast, just the guy Linux, because he
uses the WM and he mentioned patches and I was
like, what? Okay, I get it. Okay. Yeah, it doesn't
have to be a thing for everyone. I'm just explaining
how it is. One of the things that is very specific
for the whole Suckless group of programmers is
this part here. Because DWM, the window manager,
is customized through editing its source code,
it is pointless to make binary packages of it.
This keeps its user base small and elitist. No
novices asking stupid questions. I like that,
okay. Yeah, how Gen Z would say they are based.
So they are very direct, honest, and you either
love them or hate them. Personally, on my Linux,
I use a very bloated... desktop environment the
KDE Plasma and I say bloated in a funny way because
I don't really mean it but I do. I mean the KDE
Plasma has a gazillion of features and I kind
of enjoy having a gazillion of features because
it feels like a professional operating system.
It has everything. And a lot of people dislike
this. They will not go even near KDE Plasma.
So Linux is like that. It offers a lot of choices.
However, the reason why I tried the DWM Window
Manager... This one, yeah, is because I am currently
testing OpenBSD on the laptop and I'm trying
to see how it feels to use OpenBSD as my daily
laptop driver. It cannot be my daily driver on
my main machine because it's a little bit difficult
to get everything that I need like streaming,
OBS, graphics and everything. It's a bit difficult
to get there but I do enjoy the feeling which
is very reminiscent of using Linux for the first
time. That's how OpenBSD feels very raw and minimal
and just by the fact that it feels so minimal
it gives me this desire to use it as minimal
as possible on top of the base operating system.
So I tried a couple of window managers all of
them are fairly minimal and when I tried DWM
first it felt really stupid that I have to recompile
it all the time and then I tried to use it a
little bit in its default state without modifying
anything and it felt very much like Hyperland
which I actually liked without the eye candy
and eye candy is not something that I really
need So it kind of started feeling like DWM might
be good for me to use on OpenBSD, but then there
is this recompilation and shit like that. And
then I made a script, a very small one, that
says while true loop reload DWM. And basically
I just edit the source code when I want to edit
some config files. And I just type make. And
it recompiles in three seconds or so the entire
window manager. And I just kill it literally
with a key combination. I kill the window manager
and it reloads in half a second back. Like you
see a dark picture for split second and it comes
back because my background script reloads it.
And it feels like you have dynamically loading
your config file. It was very easy to get it
to this state because the software is so small
that you can recompile it so fast. It kind of
started feeling usable and I started reconfiguring
my shortcuts. And funny enough, I don't use default
DWM shortcuts. I use default HyperLens shortcuts
in DWM because HyperLens is the one that taught
me these shortcuts and now I have to stick with
those. It kind of went into my finger memory,
muscle memory. Then I discovered Peacom. Oh,
yeah. Drew talked about that as well. Yeah, Peacom,
right? Yes. And Peacom basically adds all of
the missing eye candy from DWM that Hyperland
has. So now I have almost Hyperland experience
with two pieces of software that together are
like... Not even a megabyte, I think. Maybe I
am wrong about the file size, but I'm sure it's
very small. So that's kind of interesting. That's
my other story with currently trying to learn
everything that I can about OpenBSD. This is
kind of a new passion. I have a question about
that open BSD, free BSD. What's the difference
and why did you decide to go there? Like, okay,
does it take a lot of your time? Don't you feel
like, man? It does. Yep. It does. But all my
free time that I invest in my hobbies are...
equally distributed and it doesn't matter if
I'm working on Linux or on OpenBSD. Both of them
are my hobby and they bring me joy and I love
to share what I learned and other people come
to me and tell me like, oh, you're using BSD.
I also like BSD. And have you tried something?
And I say, no, I have no clue. Show it to me
and then the conversation starts. And I was also
on a physical BSD conference. like a couple of
weeks ago and I met a lot of people there and
that was kind of awesome because I have had I
don't know if it's still on my table when you
go to a conference you get a paper tag on your
neck with your name and stuff and my name was
Linux Renaissance on a BSD conference and a lot
of people thought that I'm trolling and they
learned what that means. But it was a nice experience.
But you asked about the difference. The Berkeley
Software Distribution is the name of a very old
Unix system, BSD. And at one point people made
it free by making derivatives of this old Unix
system. called FreeBSD and then came NetBSD or
maybe it was the other way around and then people
who were working on NetBSD came to a disagreement
so out of NetBSD came OpenBSD and now we have
three versions of BSDs which are totally unlike
Linux distributions which use the exact same
kernel, the exact same userland. BSDs, however,
they each develop their own kernels, which are
totally different from each other. They develop
their own user -land based software. They are
different, but same. They are same in philosophy,
but they are generally not compatible in any
way in terms of binary. However, the unix being
unix you can pre -compile stuff that works on
linux on bsd and the other bsd so that's not
really a problem so in short freebsd kind of
feels the most ready for the desktop because
they invest a lot of effort into developing speed
operating system being snappy they invest a lot
in modern desktops fully functional including
the Wayland that was kind of invented on Linux
but FreeBSD is afraid that they will be left
behind if they don't embrace the latest and greatest
on Linux in terms of desktop environments and
how it works. So the first one that has usable
Wayland experience is FreeBSD. Then we have NetBSD,
which is the version of BSD that works on any
imaginable hardware in the universe, literally.
The very latest version of NetBSD works on my
35 -year -old Amiga computer. So that's how much
they care about working on every piece of hardware
in existence. That's their main goal. They are
also quite good in being a networking, let's
say, internet server, but a bit raw, like an
old Unix server. OpenBSD is having a totally
different philosophy and I think that's why they
split from NetBSD. Their goal is to be the most
secure operating system in the world and they
are trying very hard to do that. So they have
a very bold claim that they have had only two
remote exploits in a very long set of years.
In comparison, you could probably count remote
exploits in Windows every week. So the contrast
is very hard. So they care about security very,
very hard. to the point where they will sacrifice
everything else in the name of security literally
everything else so they do try to be a good desktop
operating system they do try to be like everything
but security comes first and if it's still possible
to do this they will do it but once again security
comes first and their motto is very minimal like
almost like suckless software you know they everything
they do is very minimal and this reduces the
attack surface that's how they work okay and
who is bsd for then like regular users you and
me someone that has a home lab oh i lost power
that's why you hear that beep in the background
because my ups is beeping i hope it comes back
but um okay who is bsd4 who is using bsd uh playstation
uses bsd okay so it's good for uh developing
some uh how to say um projects on which you can
build upon and earn i suppose money i mean sony
makes money on playstation um and stuff like
that who who are bsds for uh uh yeah there there
are these conversations where people want to
know where will they run away when linux like
falls you know There are different ways to look
at this. For example, Linus Torvalds as the main
gatekeeper of Linux is taking very good care
of its baby. And a lot of people are very afraid
what is going to happen with Linux when he will
no longer be maintaining it for whatever reason.
But at some point he will step down. as every
human does, you know, and people are afraid that
nobody is capable of replacing him. And some
people think that the corporations that kind
of control Linux now will take over completely
and everything will go to shit. So that could
be a valid way of seeing it, but we just don't
know. where will it go when he steps down. Also
there is a really large group of people that
really dislike Rust programming language and
it has been entering a good part of Linux kernel
so they think the Linux will fall apart. to lack
of better words for that as i said i'm not a
developer so i can discuss it in any um properly
technical way but people a lot of people think
that if linux was made in c it should remain
in c and not mix up languages and like rust being
too young and changes too often and not being
a good fit for for Linux but then again I try
to understand Linus Torvalds. I mean he needs
active maintainers and a lot of C programmers
are old and C is not cool. Rust is cool and this
means that every new kid on the block will learn
Rust. So if you want new fresh meat on kernel
development Chances are they will be using Rust
and they will demand to use Rust or else they
will not help you with your kernel. So they will
help someone else with their skills who uses
Rust on their kernel. So I think Torvald's reasoning
is good. On this, because you really do need
maintainers to keep developing the system. So
if you don't have maintainers because they all
died, that's kind of not good. And it's not his
job to make C cool again. It's the job of C foundation,
whatever they're called. Do you feel that Linux
community is subdivided because I see a lot of
hate between distros. I'm on Ubuntu and I hate,
I don't know, Arch users. I'm on Arch and I hate
Ubuntu users. And you know, the list goes on
and on and on, right? This is very natural for
human beings. So you can't do nothing about that.
You can accept people being who they are. and
try to help them to overcome the fear. I think
that's fear what drives them to talk like that.
But generally, I do get quite a few comments.
It's not a lot, like it's not the majority, but
I do notice them quite a few when people come
and judge me very negatively about this particular
distro that I am describing in this particular
video because they think this is my primary distribution
because that's the only video they saw from my
channel and they think that's my distribution
and they have a very strong reason why I should
not be using that distribution. It doesn't matter
that I'm not even using that distribution. I'm
just showing it. But they do know that I'm using
this one because I'm showing it and I should
not be using it because this and this and this.
And sometimes they say very ugly things and you
would not believe, but I thank every single one
of them very warmly. And I asked them to... if
they can to better construct their criticism
so I can improve and 50 % of them just disappear
after such comment and the other 50 % tends to
say like I'm sorry I didn't mean it like that
and then the conversation starts. So it's very
natural for humans to be divided. And in clans,
and this is what we did when we had sticks and
rocks. And this is what we still do when we have
software on microchips. So it will remain that
way probably forever. And I wouldn't bet on it
100%, but very long time from now. Okay. And
you have been more Emacs. Yeah. I think I did
give you a hint in the beginning of this video
that I'm not into any camp and simply I wanted
when I started learning teaching myself programming
a little bit more I wanted some tool that can
minimally be distracting for me and I was even
prepared to work in the terminal as long as the
tool is minimally good enough for what I need.
And Vim and Emacs are very, very popular, both
of them in their own way. So I did try both of
them and I still interchangeably use them. But
mostly I use Vim for very quick editing and mostly
I use Emacs for learning programming and some
other things because I'm trying to... OpenBSD
is one of the reason who is driving me towards
some sort of minimalism and this is not a bad
thing. It's just my... How do I say it? I am
eager for seeing how this will work for me. So
one of the things that I want to do, which I
am working on right now, is setting up Emacs
as my email server, email client, sorry, email
client. But also I want to bring my own email
server to my own server. Right now it's not hosted
on my server because I think it's a lot of work
to maintain. Email is not easy. It's easy to
set up but it's not easy when you get blacklisted
all around for whatever reason and then you have
to beg around the entire internet to un -blacklist
you because people cannot receive your emails.
It's not easy. configuring the email client that
shouldn't be that difficult so that's one of
the things that i want to put in emacs i also
want to move my rss feeds into emacs i also tried
matrix chat in emacs and it works but it's a
little bit cumbersome to use so i don't do that
i use wechat for irds and for matrix and still
in elements mostly because the other software
is shit for for the most part and i really dislike
uh electron but it is what it is um i'm trying
to put a lot of stuff in emacs and this is what
emacs does best eats a lot of stuff and at the
same time At the same time, it can help me with
programming. Out of the box, it comes with something
called EGLOT, which is like a language server
processor. It helps me with code completion and
telling me why this command is not good. And
it also gives me a built -in debugger for C programming
language. and also I can test my code within
Emacs and compile it within Emacs. With Vim it
looks like edit the file, save the file, exit
the file, compile, test, go back to Vim and stuff
like that. With Emacs I can do it all inside
there. It kind of feels natural for me to go
into that direction because it gives me all these
kinds of things like integrated into one package
and this is precisely what WIM doesn't even try
to do and I still want to say that one is better
than the other it's simply that they serve a
completely different purpose and I kind of feel
that this other Emeksi purpose is what feels
closer to home. I feel more at home in this kind
of environment. If I feel like I want to add
some other functionality, it turns out that it
can do that. Whatever it is. Like a Swiss Army
knife, it might not be the best. It probably
is not the best. it at anything but it really
does a lot of different things and if they're
good enough i will use them if they're not good
enough i will use another tool i don't waste
my time on something that doesn't satisfy my
needs but i do give every software a fair chance
you know to to show itself to me just as i did
with arch linux i didn't try arch for a week
i used it for more than a year on all my computers
at the same time so it's not just one computer
it's you know more at work at home on my laptop
and on my second laptop so um except on servers
i don't believe and i never believed in arch
linux to be good for servers not for a second
so that's not something that i ever even considered
okay it's not even a topic for me okay makes
sense okay Now, I did cover all the questions
that I had here. Are there any topics or something
you would like to discuss before we wrap it up?
Thanks for that. It was very fun. Yeah, I know.
Really appreciate you. Tony sent the message
there. He's the one that donated below. So, is
Debian the king of distros? It seems like all
the money in the world is made up of Debian servers
and now proprietary wrappers for Bed Hat servers,
Amazon, Linux. is is is devian the king of all
distros what would you say yes or no uh probably
i mean the question is not very tricky it's fully
specific you know uh but if i have to answer
i will i would go with yes yeah i would go with
yes agree agree Yeah, what he said, it's everywhere.
Not just on a lot of desktops, but it holds quite
a good chunk of internet. Okay. Okay, Darth,
really appreciate it. I know it's getting late
for you. We didn't plan this at all. I reached
out yesterday, today. Siri in chat. highlighted
me is the Red Hat Unnode to Red Hat Linux. I
did try to explain that and it's not, but it
is at the same time. I saw this hat in a shop
very randomly and I literally entered there and
bought it because the hat was talking to me,
told me to buy it. And yes, it does, it reminds...
both me and everyone else on Red Hat and Red
Hat is Linux so for the channel it kind of makes
sense that it's a good prop but after all it's
just a prop and I get a lot of comments quite
a lot on my videos where I as the people express
themselves where I shield for Debian while wearing
a red hat and they and then they say subbed so
it does serve a purpose tony keeps talking about
mdocs and we don't know what that is what is
mdocs tony is it a company what is it i guess
we will we will discuss it on matrix matrix yeah
yeah so i will do you still don't know what it
is yeah do you still play games start yeah yeah
quite a lot if you switch to my screen again
yeah uh you can see steam pre -installed uh you
can also see here my uh oh i cannot see it hold
on i can see oh i see that okay yeah you're showing
fast pitch right now okay yeah yeah so it's a
pretty gamey cpu and a pretty gamey gpu and steam
is now open And right now I'm playing Cyberpunk.
Oh man, that is a base. That's my favorite game.
If you notice my wallpaper, right? The one that
I have in the background. Can I show it? Where
can I show it? If you take a look at this in
the background, you will not be able to see it.
I have to click on the edge here. It can't. Oh
man, I don't know how to bring it up because
I don't have a desk here. So on Linux, it's pretty
common in all window managers, including regular
desktops and styling window managers, that you
can just hold the super key, which is on Windows
key, and just dragging a window wherever you
take it. It doesn't matter if it's styled or
not. For example, on Hyperland, if it's styled
and you move it around, it will just... untile
it. You don't have to grab it on the top, you
can just grab it anywhere by holding the super
key. So it's kind of useful. But yeah, the Skyrim
is not something that I play very actively, like
from day to day. It's just my... What do you
call it? My... This will sound a bit wrong because
I'm lacking the right expression, but it's like
the one that gives you warm feelings, like a
cozy game. Oh yeah, do you like seeing the nature,
hearing the music is beautiful? Yes, and the
fact that not only that I have finished the game,
but after you finish it, you have like a gazillion
of... spots where you just never have been before
and you enter and you find something new. It's
not very meaningful to finishing the game, but
it's more like playing it for years, just a little
bit at a time. And this is probably my favorite
game ever. I don't play it actually anymore.
uh this one i actually it says like 45 hours
but i actually played it like a couple of thousand
of hours on xbox previously and it's like a game
of pirates it's a cartoony looking but actually
a sort of simulation of physics the you turn
the um the the the sheet of you know of your
ships on the um I don't know the words, but you
can get the mimics. You need to turn the thing
into the wind so you can go faster and you have
to dig for treasure. And once you dig it out,
you have to carry it to your ship and then you
have to drive the treasure with your ship across
the sea to the destination and hand it over.
And it's very manual game. Is it an old game
or is it new? No, it's from 2018. Okay. And this
one is also one of my favorites. Oh, that's pretty
fast -paced. I think I saw that in my brother
-in -law's house in the PlayStation. It is very
fast -paced. It was too fast for me. Yeah, it's
very fast -paced. This one I'm kind of trying
to get into, but I just didn't. This one is very
awesome. And this is actually free software.
The game is really small, like, I don't know,
a couple hundred megabytes, I think. It's also
free software. You can get it on any operating
system, literally any. It's like, let me switch
to store page. It's like a move -based strategy
game with RNG numbers. If you are in the woods,
Then your archer has better stats than the ones
outside of the woods. And then you attack them
and you have to conquer them. I will not spoil
it any longer, but it's worth a try. If you are
into high -end graphics, you will probably puke.
But I guarantee it's a good game. and it's 20
years old and it's still very actively developed
and it has a very live community and this one
is also for good feelings and this one i bought
very recently i played only 100 minutes it's
like a rogue -like game in space I'm gonna stop
there. You manage your spaceship and enemies
attack you and you have to handle your engines,
your drive, your shields, your weapons, your
upgrades, your humans, your fire extinguishers,
your air, a lot of stuff and other ones are attacking
you and if you die it's game over and you start
from the beginning. Yeah, this one is like Super
Mario, and it's kind of fun. Never finished this
one, but when I feel like brainless jumping around,
then it's this one. This one, I have no clue
what it is. I just bought it, literally. And
it seemed kind of cool. I have yet to start it.
This one I started... This one, obviously, I
played when it came out in the 90s, but... I
started streaming it on Twitch, so I'm probably
going to finish it. I have no idea why I have
this. I don't know why it's disinstalled. And
this one also felt like something spacey for
me. I also only played it for half an hour just
to give it a try. It feels nice, I don't know.
I kind of jump between games. Oh, okay. A lot,
but generally... generally you can see a little
bit of my taste here okay yeah skyrim is my favorite
game but i don't play anymore um yeah i don't
have the time and i get tired easily and i get
bored and i'm like no let me yeah i used to play
a really lot of video games before i started
my youtube channel so you can't invest a limited
amount of time into yeah a it is what it is yeah
youtube takes a lot of time yeah all right darth
really appreciate it man thanks for sharing with
us um i'm going to be editing this video i'm
gonna be releasing it probably friday right now
it's gonna go unlisted so you will not be able
to see it anymore but uh friday i will post it
it will also be available as a podcast in spotify
and all those i i just know spotify youtube music
and whatever you know other other platforms the
other thing that i wanted to do is thank the
ceo because i have members right different membership
levels uh the ceo member web23 web23 .com and
all the other members i also want to thank you
want to thank chat for you know sending messages
there and keeping the conversation going so thank
you thank you for inviting me that was i i even
think that you uh didn't plan for this much no
no we didn't plan yep yeah um thank you yep i'll
see you till next time see you bye bye