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Now, Tony, you sound pretty good. That's because

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you have the same microphone as your dad, right?

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DistroTube. My uncle, yeah. Your uncle, yeah,

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sorry. He's not my dad. He's not your dad? Who's

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your dad? The HH? Richard Stallman, I guess.

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I don't know. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. I'm

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going to just change it to slow and painful.

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And save that, and now I'm already there. I don't

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need to... be that like i'm i don't you know

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what i'm saying uh -huh okay it's a it's okay

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and the reason i wish it was proprietary because

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then i can hate on it more you know what i'm

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saying i almost said it's proprietary it's it's

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it's it's it's it's just garbage it's not proprietary

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garbage it's just garbage it's just garbage there

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it is it's a garbage wrapper for art for an arch

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install that's all it is it's a glorified arch

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install which takes For me, it takes four minutes

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for anybody who wants to install Arch with a

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script. They can already do that. If you want

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to watch my video, you can. It'll take you 10

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minutes to install Arch. And then you install

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it installs like 100 programs. And then it has

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these defaults that are not saying there's somebody

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else's. It's like going out with somebody else's

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wife. Like, what are you doing? So you got all

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this stuff on top of already something that's.

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is there's no dude it's just to me there's no

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point honestly i can't in good faith recommend

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it to anybody like voldemort's os or whatever

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like i don't know what's gonna happen when when

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blaze creates his omar video or when henry misc

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creates his omar video what's gonna happen there

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is the relationship over tony um no man i think

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because you guys are awesome you guys are great

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people so i think what will happen is You won't

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do that to me, right? So anyway, Link, you were

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about to say, is this going to become? Yeah.

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Well, what is this going to become right now?

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Is it going to become, you guys watched the old

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video, the girls won. So is it going to become

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like two Knicks, two Knicks aficionados? One,

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one Michael, is he sure or what? If you're listening

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to this as a podcast, remember that it was originally

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recorded as a video. If you're not following

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along, you can go to my YouTube channel. My username

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is Linkarzu. And if you want to support me to

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keep this podcast going, you can donate in Ko

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-fi. I'm going to leave a link in the description.

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All right. So let's get started with this chapter

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then. I do want to ask you guys something real

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quick. I know we're kind of just ad hoc here,

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but do you ever feel like we over -engineer things

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like so much with our workflows that like...

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It's like when you see somebody like that guy,

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Rene, something, the kernel developer, and he's

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using just default Tmux, default VI, and he's

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just writing kernel code and he's like a boss.

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And then it's me and you, you've got like, you

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guys spent hours and hours on your setup. And

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it's like, I'm writing like PHP code for some

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web app, you know, or whatever. Yeah, we can

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start with that. Let's start. And if Sylvan joins,

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it's good, you know, but we can start. Should

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we make a Triforce or we just keep it like this?

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no like a set yeah we can continue i'm just going

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to you know edit some parts of course i'll cut

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the beginning of it you know but we can no i

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meant like on the screen should we put like a

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triforce image or should we put like an image

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of mimothy crying or something like that until

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he gets here yeah let me do that i'm gonna do

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that well in the meantime hold on let me just

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do that and then we can start okay hold on yeah

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in the meantime you guys talk about something

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I'm still curious about the German document.

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I want to figure out what I can learn for some

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German history, if you've got any pointers. I'm

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the worst person to talk to when it comes to

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these kind of things. Are you a normie with this?

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Yeah, definitely. I am. But I have some thoughts

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about what you just mentioned regarding using

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vanilla VI instead of all these plugins and workflow

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engineering and setting everything up. I feel

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like there's definitely a point where you can

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over -engineer things and spend... Basically,

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your workflow itself becomes the source of inefficiency

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in your life that needs to be optimized. But

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the thing is, nobody can just go ahead and use

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vanilla VI efficiently, out of the box. You would

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have to spend loads of time... reading the documentation

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watching tutorials or whatever to be effective

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at it and i don't know if that is more efficient

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or if you spend or if you would spend less time

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doing that than simply researching how to configure

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an lsp and oh yeah in in neovim and just work

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with that you know 100 i just think like sometimes

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when i'm on servers and there's not that many

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files like i don't need anything i just vi the

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five it's like a 20 line file i just vi well

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i'm not going to literally use vi but like I

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could Vim the file and it's pretty chill, you

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know? And I see this guy, Renee, literally doing

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kernel development. I don't know if it's actually

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VI, but it looks like so, you know what I'm saying?

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It looks like one of those like default Vims

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and he just doesn't care about this stuff. And

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I'm like, dude, it's like, there's a point of

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diminishing returns though. When you spend like,

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I feel like once you get to a certain point with

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your NeoVim config, like you start and everything

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you add after that is like, you're shaving off

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like maybe 10 seconds here maybe you know per

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year but like when you first start getting like

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go to definition probably saved me like literally

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hours a week just yeah having that one bind so

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i don't know yeah it's like after you get all

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the low -hanging fruit there's definitely some

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diminishing returns i feel like for sure i would

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be curious like this guy that you mentioned i

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don't know him but do you know if he ever spent

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a lot of time previously configuring new women

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all this stuff and all this workflow perfection

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stuff and then kind of had a full circle moment

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and went back to just removing all that bloat

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and just sticking to vanilla vi or he never even

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tried to do that in the first place i don't know

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i i don't know for sure i i've had a guess uh

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he probably just has always used the same tools

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like he's probably on debian stable he's probably

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just an old guy you know right and and just uses

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whatever it is you know what i'm saying But he

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has a YouTube channel, so I'm pretty sure it's

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all public and it's all figureoutable. Let's

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see, kernel development. I think I saw a video

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of him today. Oh, someone in the comments recommended

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or told me you should interview Rene something.

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What is his name, Tony? That's him. That's him.

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Rene Rabat. I don't know how to pronounce it.

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Yeah. Actually, he might not be French, by the

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way. He might be up your alley, Henrik. Oh, he's

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from Berlin. Germany. So I don't know how close

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that is to where you're from. I'm in Berlin quite

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frequently. I don't live there, but the company

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I work for is based in Berlin, so I sometimes

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travel there. That's the capital of Germany,

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right? Or no? Yeah, it is. That's cool. I knew

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that. Let me look at some of his stuff here.

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Yeah, dude, look at this stuff. Come on. I'll

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just send a screenshot to the Discord. I don't

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know how, I mean, I guess I could send it to

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the chat here. Or you want me to share your screen?

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No, because I'm on my personal thing. Not on

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the virtual machine. Let me do toggle the chat.

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If I paste it in the chat, does it go? No, it

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doesn't go. I don't want to send it to the Discord.

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Just don't share it. You know what I mean? But

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yeah. Look at him, dude. Look at this guy. I

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have the perfect picture of Timothy. Hold on.

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Oh man, this is good. I have to save it. Doesn't

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it have a color scheme? That might be him typing

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like a less or something. I don't even know what

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he's doing there. Is he using Comic Sans as a

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font? Unironically. That's crazy. Comic Sans

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and no color scheme. It might be. Yeah, I think

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it might be Comic Sans. It also could be Monaco.

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But at that point, like why torture yourself?

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I mean, it's so easy to just install a color

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scheme and it just makes life so much better.

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You know what I mean? Yeah. Just so much more

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readable. and it takes like five seconds to do

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was it you that mentioned that like you can parse

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things better when you see like the colors or

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the syntax or was that because i feel like i've

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watched you say that in a video once where like

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you can it's easier for you to but i think it

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might have been in your sequel video or something

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like that where there's no syntax highlighting

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so you turn that on or something i don't remember

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but it i would definitely sign that if that statement

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i co -sign it okay and you guys see them at the

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there okay We have him there. Yeah, perfect.

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Yeah, at least it doesn't feel like we're alone.

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And if he ever joins, which I don't think he

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will, we will be able to listen to him. Yep,

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yep, yep, yep, yep. Just going to send him a

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message, I think. Where did you find that picture?

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Did you just change it up from a video? Which

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one? Bimathys? Yeah. Yeah, I had... One on a

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previous thumbnail. So I exported it. And then

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I told AI to make him crying. It did it. Crazy.

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Okay. So, hey, guys. How's it going? Good, man.

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How are you? I'm doing good as well. We have

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Tony in the house. We have Henry Misk as well.

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We don't know if Bimuthi is going to join. We're

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waiting on him. So we'll see if he joins or not.

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What are we going to be covering today or what

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are we going to be talking about today? So let

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me switch to my screen so we can take a look

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at that right now. There's just a few topics

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that I want to go over, okay? Single or multiple

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monitors, tiles as well in window managers or

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a single application on the screen. What are

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your thoughts on widescreen monitors, rolling

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window managers like Neary? Because I've seen

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that in the Linux community a lot. So I have

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my doubts. I have my questions about it. Linux

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versus Mac as well. And thoughts on Omarchi and

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DHH. And Raycast as well for the macOS users.

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Okay. And if you guys want to talk about something,

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just interrupt me. Yep. And we can talk about

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it. Yeah, yeah. So just for people that don't

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know you guys, you mind just sharing a little

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bit about you, who you are? Let's start with

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Tony. Yeah, man, I just make Linux tutorials

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at YouTube. Tony Dash, by the way, says pretty

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much I'm into Linux, free and open source software.

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And yeah, I just like to share that kind of stuff.

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So if you're interested in like Gen 2, Arch,

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NixOS, that kind of stuff, NeoVim, whatever,

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just check out the channel. And it's just I don't

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really put opinions in here. It's just kind of

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boring, dense, just like straightforward tutorial

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stuff. So, yeah, that's where I'm at. Okay. So

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you have almost 10 ,000 subscribers, Tony. You

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started like what? I would say that's a misnomer,

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but my first video was in maybe February or January

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this year. Damn, that's fast. That's fast, man.

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So yeah, some content. If there's someone out

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there, I think that all my subs are already subbed

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to you. But if there's someone out there that

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is not yet, just go and join Tony. Now, what

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about you, Hendrik? Yes. Hey, everyone. my name

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is henry i run a youtube channel called henry

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misc and i share content around workflow engineering

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so everything that makes the life of an engineer

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a bit smoother i share tips around vim and neo

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vim tmux that kind of stuff um recently i tried

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a bunch of different topics as well like how

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to or basically why i switched to a split keyboard

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instead of a normal keyboard and what are kind

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of the pros and cons of that and from time to

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time i also share some other ideas around how

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to work a bit more efficiently or ergonomically

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as a software engineer okay i noticed that you

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have a new camera now you're on an iphone camera

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right yeah does it look better it looks better

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better now it's just you tony When are you switching

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to iPhone and Mac OS? If they make it free and

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open source, I would consider switching over.

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That'd be nice. I should be kind of cool. Yeah.

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Now, let me just set a goal here. Hold on. Let's

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see if this works. I want to add something, too.

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While you're setting that goal, I want to add

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something real quick. Because Henry Misk, I remember

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when I saw a lot of his videos. it's similar

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channel is mine in some small way. We have a

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Venn diagram of overlap. And then I saw you had

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interviewed him. So we kind of all are related

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in some small way here, I think. And it's interesting

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because he pointed out that he shifted gears

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a little bit. And recently he had made like a

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carpal tunnel kind of RSI video, like what he

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does for that. And I do some of that stuff too.

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And like, I just never talk about it. So I wonder

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how much of us out there do a lot of the same

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stuff that we just never talk about because we're

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always focused on like workflow engineering or

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like Linux or whatever, you know? yeah share

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your workflow in a video hold on hold on tony

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let me just share this my bad yeah i'm interrupting

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you with the gold check um we're gonna be reading

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super chat so if you guys have any questions

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or anything just uh send them there and uh we'll

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go over them okay so okay you guys want to start

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with the first topic yeah man let's jump into

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it i'm excited okay okay let's do it now monitors

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that's uh thing that i want to discuss first

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wants to go and explain and share their thoughts

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is it one monitor multiple monitors like what's

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the what's the deal here wants to go i can go

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first here i think for me one monitor is perfect

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for everything except for youtube because when

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i do youtube stuff i have to be looking at two

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monitors usually if not three like it's kind

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of crazy but i've never needed more than one

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monitor until i made the youtube channel and

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i'm kind of curious your guys's thoughts on this

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because um yeah for my daily like workflow stuff

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i can do everything i need on one monitor but

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when it comes to editing videos or just recording

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stuff and making sure that like i have everything

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like a visible cue that i'm actually recording

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that's a big deal for me because i record full

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screen on like a different monitor and stuff

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like that and like editing the video like having

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a visual indicator of the video on a second monitor

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while editing it you know And then I don't know

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when I do the live streams, like having a chat

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available on the third monitor so I can see the

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chat and then see my screen and then, you know,

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whatever. So I don't know. What do you guys think

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about kind of, I guess, kick it over to you,

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Henry. Like, what are your thoughts on like the

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one monitor lifestyle? And then if not, you know,

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as a YouTuber. If you weren't if you weren't

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doing YouTube, right, just your regular day job,

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no video editing, no streaming, nothing. would

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you use two monitors or one one for sure one

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because anything extra is just a distraction

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i think it's like i'm always in vim i use one

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buffer i don't use like any kind of a like a

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split v splits or anything like that so why why

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i just extend that to everything i have one monitor

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so if i need to alt tab or whatever which i never

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do but yeah if i need to go to window three i'll

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go to window three you know what i mean okay

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okay and what about you hendrick so i do have

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a widescreen monitor i try different setups previously

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as well i used to have two monitors as well but

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there always something was missing because sometimes

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i i like having a white uh screen to have more

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screen real estate when i need to see something

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white you know i'm i'm a machine learning engineer

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and i work a lot with data and sometimes i just

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need to see the result of a query that has a

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lot of columns for example and then it is helpful

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to see a lot of different or as much of the table

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that as i can see otherwise i need to horizontal

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squall quite quite a bit but in general i'm also

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with tony like most of the time i don't even

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need most of my screen like right now for example

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i have one window centered on my white screen

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and left and right i literally have like 10 20

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of the screen just blank space and that is not

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even used and yeah so unless I'm kind of looking

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at documentation while I'm typing on the other

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side, I feel one screen works perfectly for me.

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And now recently I've started doing YouTube and

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video editing, and there it really helps to have

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a wider screen. But otherwise, a normal scale

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screen would usually work 99 % of the time for

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me. OK, because I have seen the setups. Yeah,

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I have seen the setups for people that have like

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a vertical monitor on the side and they have

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a monitor above and they and they work on the

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widescreen and they say that it's super efficient.

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You know, that's the peak of productivity. And

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I'm like, damn, man, because previously I used

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to work in a 52 inch TV, right? Like a huge TV.

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It was a 4K TV. That was my monitor. And it had,

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you know, I had a lot of real estate. So I could

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put my Slack on the top right corner, my terminal

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on the top left. On the bottom left, I had my

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browser, my Obsidian. And then I had to switch

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to another desktop, right? And there I had the

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email. And then I had, you know, and I thought

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it was pretty effective. And I was like, damn,

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this is the best thing that I could have ever

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done. A huge TV. I get a lot of space. But I

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noticed that I was searching for stuff a lot,

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you know, because I was like, OK, so where's

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my email? And I would go to the desk to click

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on my email. And if I needed to go to Slack,

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I would go to the desk one and go to Slack. Right.

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Did you say click on? Do you say click? Well,

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yeah. Did you click on your email? Click on the

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on the app, right? So that's that's the way that

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I used to do it in the past and I used my My

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mouse a lot and I used my eyes and I had to see

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okay. So where's the app? Where's this other

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one? And it was it was exhausting man, cuz yeah,

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I had to be like this and then obsidian is right

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there Okay, so click on it or switch to it. However,

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start typing then go to the To the browser and

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it was somewhere else until i watched the video

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by the primogen where he shared his workflow

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and that's when it all changed you know and i

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was like what is his workflow he uses a single

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monitor he had made a video called uh developer

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workflow for 2021 or something like that's old

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tech and he uh he had i3 as a window manager

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tmux as a like a terminal multiplexer and uh

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neo vim yeah there it is literally And if you

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see, look below, look at the one below. His one

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is for 2021 and mine is for 2029. So if you guys

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want to see a better workflow, I know it's got

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less views, but check it out. It's going to be

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more future -proof. Look at that. Yeah, but that

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made me look at things completely differently.

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And I was like, okay, so let me try to use my

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monitor. my big tv i used it like in a quarter

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of the screen right so this was the entire tv

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i was just in just a quarter of it so see if

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i could make it work right and um that's what

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i've been doing ever since you don't need to

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monitor us i think it's just bloat unless unless

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you do video editing you know or i would say

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that's the only that's the only case for me Do

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you still have that big TV? Are you still like

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having like one small section of it and then

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the rest of it is just like Mr. Beast or something

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like that 24 -7? No, I switched to a 32 -inch

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monitor, right? So that's what I'm using. 32

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-inch? Yeah, I think it's 32 -inch monitor. So

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it's just a regular monitor that I use right

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now. But it wasn't the case, you know, was the

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TV for a long time. So that brings me to the

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other. point that I wanted to touch on, right?

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Monitor size. Because I see that widescreen TVs

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or no, widescreen monitors are really popular,

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right? Instead of 16 by 9. What are your guys'

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thoughts on that? You want to go around the horn

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in the same direction? Yep. Well, let me ask

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you, I guess, let me kick it back to you with

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a question, actually, because this might actually

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just debunk the whole question. Could you gun

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to your head, pull out your laptop, I guess,

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let's assume that you don't have to use Windows,

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right? Where's your for your day job? Let's say

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you had like had to go to Starbucks or something

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like that because your Internet went out. Could

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you theoretically get your job done like decently

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fast with a laptop? Exactly. 100%. Yep. So I

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think does size matter for monitors? I say no.

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Honestly, I think there's like a little minimum

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barrier of entry, maybe like certain size so

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you can actually see it. But I think for the

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for the most part is I'm on a laptop. If as long

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as it's decently sized screen and everything

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and I can if it's 1920 by 1080 at least and I

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think I'm fine. And what about wide ones? Would

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you use or do you think that a wide monitor is

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better? I think a wide monitor is just two monitors,

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I would say. If it's an ultra -wide, that would

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just be two monitors. An ultra -wide, yep. So

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I don't know. I mean, if Henry uses an ultra

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-wide, I'm curious if it's an ultra -wide or

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a regular wide monitor. But I don't know if it

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seems like that would just be two monitors, right?

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Not really. It's smaller. It's like one monitor

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and then 33 % extra. kind of that's how it's

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advertised but honestly i'm not a huge fan of

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it it's one of the purchases that i regret because

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like when i'm in germany i kind of have a small

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setup at my mom's place so i can keep working

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there and there i only have a regular size monitor

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and it works perfectly fine like i'm not less

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efficient because i only have one available and

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as i said like just for video editing definitely

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wider is better but most of the time i anyway

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center my window on the screen and that's also

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why i'm not a huge fan of tiling window managers

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because they try to maximize the screen usage

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and on a wide monitor that can be quite counterproductive

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if suddenly like you have a window on the left

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and the other one on the right because then you

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need to look as you mentioned link like on a

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big screen you need to look to the left to the

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right and like there's a lot of head movement

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going on just to capture or just to see everything

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that's on your screen while if you're just able

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to switch efficiently between apps i feel you

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don't need a lot of screen real estate it's just

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there's a lot of friction especially on mac os

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that's i think where linux is much better but

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on mac the default window switching is kind of

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terrible like this you know when you have to

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with the trackpad use the motions and then you

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get this view where you get all your windows

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and i need to click on the window where you want

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to go and That's just terrible. But if you don't

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have that friction and you can just press a button

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and go where you want to go, then there's no

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need to see everything at once because there's

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not the friction of switching between the apps

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in the first place. That's how I kind of feel

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about it. Okay. There is a scenario in which

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I think that white monitors are useful. And it's

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just if you play games, that's it. I don't think

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there's any other reason to use white. Like ultra

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-wide monitors. And I'm not even sure if playing

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games is a decent reason. I don't play games,

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so I have no idea. But I think it's nice. I have

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no idea. I will say this. You go ahead, actually.

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No, no, go. Go, Tony. I will say this. As far

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as games go, when I played Counter -Strike back

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in the day, we always set our resolution down

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to 1280x720 or whatever because it was easier

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to see people's heads. But we used smaller monitors

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anyway. so i don't know if that's still a thing

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i know a lot of pros still i don't know maybe

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that anymore because i'm just kind of old but

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yeah i don't know do you guys even play games

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though or yeah not anymore workflow engineering

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man you have no time for that but anyway back

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to you what were you about to say before i interrupted

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you um what you said about the laptop screen

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right because i want to be as effective on my

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monitor you know the 16 by 9 external monitor

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that i have And also on my laptop screen, because

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it happened to me when I remember right now,

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I remember exactly how it felt when I used my

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4K TV, right? I had a workflow on the TV, you

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know, because I had organized my apps in certain

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sections of the screen. But then when I needed

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to grab the laptop and go and work outside, it

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was a nightmare, man, because the screen is small.

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So I had to. I can figure out a way to organize

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the apps on the screen. It was painful. I hated

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it. So ever since I moved away to the one monitor

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workflow and one application on the screen at

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a time, I never worry about that anymore at all.

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One buffer? One buffer on any of them? Yeah,

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one thing on the screen at a time, right? So

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if I'm on the laptop, It's going to be the exact

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same thing compared to if I'm on the external

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monitor, right? My workflow doesn't change and

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I can work on the laptop as effectively as if

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I was on the external monitor. Yeah. Do you use

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Spaces on Mac? I use the Spaces, but let me show

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you. It's easier because whenever you guys want

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to share something or show something, just let

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me know. We can look at it there, okay? So this

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is my space in which I have my terminal, and

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that's it, right? You can see it, correct? So

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this one is configured in BSP mode, right? So

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if I open other instances of the terminal here,

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they open in this space, in, you know, sections

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like this, right? But this is the only one, right?

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If I move to... This one, for example, if I went

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to my browser, for example, and if I switch to

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other app, what do I have here? YouTube, right?

00:27:11.910 --> 00:27:15.869
That is, you know, all of those are in a specific

00:27:15.869 --> 00:27:18.869
space, in a single space. All of these that you

00:27:18.869 --> 00:27:23.109
see are in stack mode, one behind the other in

00:27:23.109 --> 00:27:27.190
this same desktop one, right? So all of the stack

00:27:27.190 --> 00:27:31.150
stuff is here. And the ones that are in split

00:27:31.150 --> 00:27:35.259
mode. are in other spaces like chat if i switch

00:27:35.259 --> 00:27:39.519
to this desktop 5 chat is also configured in

00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:43.619
bsp right because i need to see all of them at

00:27:43.619 --> 00:27:46.400
once and it makes sense for me to use bsp in

00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:49.920
this specific scenario as well you know but most

00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.720
of the times i'm here you know in this space

00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:56.859
right that is in stack mode and uh just one one

00:27:56.859 --> 00:28:01.029
at a time what about you guys Yeah, I use one.

00:28:02.170 --> 00:28:04.670
I can show in a second here. Let me switch to

00:28:04.670 --> 00:28:06.990
a different VM, actually. Okay, let me know.

00:28:07.109 --> 00:28:11.670
I use one. Hang on. I'm like you pretty much

00:28:11.670 --> 00:28:15.970
with one. You said BSP. There's a window manager

00:28:15.970 --> 00:28:18.230
called BSPWM, so I thought you were talking about

00:28:18.230 --> 00:28:20.029
that, but I'm sure it's probably the same naming

00:28:20.029 --> 00:28:23.329
convention. You can put my screen on if you want.

00:28:24.329 --> 00:28:28.380
But yeah, I use one. thing per screen like you

00:28:28.380 --> 00:28:30.500
said so like even if two terminals i don't even

00:28:30.500 --> 00:28:33.400
like doing that like um i'm not even a huge fan

00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:36.380
of that so i'll just use tmux yeah you know like

00:28:36.380 --> 00:28:38.319
we all do i don't like doing that as well yep

00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:41.180
but then like also like for the browser like

00:28:41.180 --> 00:28:43.240
i always have a browser open here you know whatever

00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:46.319
and then like uh yeah i'm not gonna like that

00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:48.359
but then uh you know we got like whatever and

00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:50.279
then i'll even like full screen it because i

00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:52.779
think the bar to an extent might be bloat i don't

00:28:52.779 --> 00:28:54.420
actually know i don't even need the bar you know

00:28:54.420 --> 00:28:57.029
what i mean the bar which one at the top of the

00:28:57.029 --> 00:28:59.809
screen yeah like it says like uh here let me

00:28:59.809 --> 00:29:02.049
peak your firefox because i think there's some

00:29:02.049 --> 00:29:04.950
sensitive stuff on there but um like the bar

00:29:04.950 --> 00:29:07.009
is like kind of below like i don't need to know

00:29:07.009 --> 00:29:08.809
i'm on workspace three i just know where that

00:29:08.809 --> 00:29:11.650
that's always firefox right and then like um

00:29:11.650 --> 00:29:13.890
on number two it's always my work browser number

00:29:13.890 --> 00:29:17.069
four is always slack so like uh i don't know

00:29:17.069 --> 00:29:19.670
the bar i only need it for the clock you know

00:29:19.670 --> 00:29:21.869
what i mean so sometimes i'm just like you know

00:29:21.869 --> 00:29:23.269
what i don't even want to care what time it is

00:29:23.269 --> 00:29:25.329
i'm just going to stay in one uh you know full

00:29:25.329 --> 00:29:27.410
screen mode and then start writing code or whatever

00:29:27.410 --> 00:29:30.569
you know like let's say i want to just edit my

00:29:30.569 --> 00:29:32.150
neovim config or something i just jump right

00:29:32.150 --> 00:29:35.670
to it or what have you and i just like stay zoomed

00:29:35.670 --> 00:29:38.230
in a lot too i don't know i just like to do one

00:29:38.230 --> 00:29:42.029
one thing at a time yeah exactly like the opposite

00:29:42.029 --> 00:29:44.430
of tiger woods you know what i mean and why not

00:29:44.430 --> 00:29:48.109
multiple ones like why not multiple apps in the

00:29:48.109 --> 00:29:53.250
screen so you can um x your productivity right

00:29:53.250 --> 00:29:55.829
instead of single tasking you're multitasking

00:29:55.829 --> 00:29:58.849
so you're a 10x developer why like let's say

00:29:58.849 --> 00:30:01.190
i want to uh like i was telling you this before

00:30:01.190 --> 00:30:03.750
i had a um i'll switch to your screen when you're

00:30:03.750 --> 00:30:07.049
ready let me know yeah i'm ready i'm ready let's

00:30:07.049 --> 00:30:09.869
say i want to go like into like um like some

00:30:09.869 --> 00:30:12.490
development or whatever and then i just run the

00:30:12.490 --> 00:30:15.430
hugo serve or whatever and then i'll go back

00:30:15.430 --> 00:30:18.069
here and i'm here i'll go you know maybe i'll

00:30:18.069 --> 00:30:19.809
go to the repo and then i'll go into the file

00:30:19.809 --> 00:30:23.759
whatever i can just stay here um i don't need

00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:26.720
to like the old me like maybe the old school

00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:28.619
me would have had two monitors and said hey on

00:30:28.619 --> 00:30:31.220
one monitor i'm gonna look at the code base and

00:30:31.220 --> 00:30:35.230
vs code with like tabs open And like a file tree

00:30:35.230 --> 00:30:37.710
or whatever. And then on the other monitor, I'm

00:30:37.710 --> 00:30:40.349
going to have this open. Do you need that? That's

00:30:40.349 --> 00:30:41.930
a question that I have for you, Tony, because

00:30:41.930 --> 00:30:44.250
that's one of the reasons that people bring tiles

00:30:44.250 --> 00:30:47.789
up. I do web development and I need to see in

00:30:47.789 --> 00:30:50.710
real time what's happening. Like I cannot waste

00:30:50.710 --> 00:30:56.710
a second to go to my waist, a second to go to

00:30:56.710 --> 00:31:01.549
my, you know. So I'm like, but man, with the

00:31:01.549 --> 00:31:03.869
single key press, you can switch the other apps,

00:31:03.910 --> 00:31:06.190
see what happened, go back. Like, do you really

00:31:06.190 --> 00:31:08.750
need, do you need tiles there or no? If you do

00:31:08.750 --> 00:31:10.369
web development, the way that you're showing

00:31:10.369 --> 00:31:12.970
right now. And even that, like even this thing

00:31:12.970 --> 00:31:15.089
on the right is kind of bloat. Like this could

00:31:15.089 --> 00:31:17.650
be its own. A lot of the times I pop this out

00:31:17.650 --> 00:31:21.430
and put it in number five. And so like, cause

00:31:21.430 --> 00:31:24.579
I want to see the screen full. but if i'm developing

00:31:24.579 --> 00:31:26.640
and let's say i want to like look at what mobile

00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:28.599
looks like i do like to kind of have this available

00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:31.799
um but yeah like if i'm just doing some development

00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:33.819
in here like i think i always talk about it's

00:31:33.819 --> 00:31:35.339
really easy to just say hey i want to change

00:31:35.339 --> 00:31:37.819
let's say change let's change quick and painless

00:31:37.819 --> 00:31:42.519
you know i can use my mouse here to copy that

00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:45.759
with the ctrl c and then i can just grip it here

00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:48.660
and then there's the file i can go in there and

00:31:48.660 --> 00:31:52.180
i can just change it to slow and painful We saved

00:31:52.180 --> 00:31:53.880
that and now I'm already there. Like I don't

00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.839
need it. Yeah, no, I don't need to be that. Like

00:31:56.839 --> 00:31:59.700
I'm, I don't, you know what I'm saying? Yeah,

00:31:59.819 --> 00:32:15.319
exactly. That is better. But I don't know. My

00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:18.119
whole point is like, no, I don't think it's all

00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:19.500
personal preference though. So like if someone

00:32:19.500 --> 00:32:21.609
tells me, Hey, i'm a web developer and i need

00:32:21.609 --> 00:32:23.369
like seven monitors like one for the inspect

00:32:23.369 --> 00:32:26.630
element like one for my vs code one for the file

00:32:26.630 --> 00:32:29.690
structure you know one for mr beast uh so i can

00:32:29.690 --> 00:32:34.269
see what he's up to yeah well that's no because

00:32:34.269 --> 00:32:35.609
then he's actually doing something good right

00:32:35.609 --> 00:32:37.569
i'm trying to like roast this person this hypothetical

00:32:37.569 --> 00:32:40.950
person i'm roasting okay but like but um you

00:32:40.950 --> 00:32:42.849
know and i think i even have like that whole

00:32:42.849 --> 00:32:44.390
bookmarks thing i still have it from the last

00:32:44.390 --> 00:32:45.789
demo like i could just go to your immediately

00:32:45.789 --> 00:32:48.069
go to your website right there boom done i'm

00:32:48.069 --> 00:32:49.609
gonna talk about joshua blythe and stuff like

00:32:49.609 --> 00:32:51.490
it's all i don't need to do all this extra blow

00:32:51.490 --> 00:32:53.289
i don't know man i feel like you just have to

00:32:53.289 --> 00:32:54.849
for me as a web developer it's literally just

00:32:54.849 --> 00:32:56.849
one two one two one two one two you know what

00:32:56.849 --> 00:33:00.589
i mean so okay okay and and what about you hendrick

00:33:00.589 --> 00:33:02.549
what are your thoughts on that i feel this is

00:33:02.549 --> 00:33:04.289
one of the cases where i would actually prefer

00:33:04.289 --> 00:33:07.589
two screens or at least in my case you know i

00:33:07.589 --> 00:33:09.750
have kind of my my main screen right in front

00:33:09.750 --> 00:33:11.930
of me and then i have my macbook to the sides

00:33:11.930 --> 00:33:15.369
kind of on a um on a stance so it's kind of the

00:33:15.369 --> 00:33:19.279
same height as my monitor So I can look at it

00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:22.559
and my camera is now mounted on top of it. And

00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:26.220
so I wouldn't use this as my active screen, but

00:33:26.220 --> 00:33:29.119
just to put something there to look at it when

00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:31.720
I need to, I think that kind of works really

00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:33.720
well. So usually, for example, I would have here

00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:35.819
a playlist or Spotify or something like that.

00:33:36.420 --> 00:33:39.619
And it's not something that I actively work with,

00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:41.980
but sometimes I glance over and just see it.

00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:44.740
So that's kind of how I would deal with that.

00:33:45.180 --> 00:33:48.940
part of your core workflow right like or is it

00:33:48.940 --> 00:33:52.880
part of your core workflow no it's not just like

00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:56.779
most of the time my macbook screen is empty and

00:33:56.779 --> 00:34:00.460
i'm just using my main monitor and i do i do

00:34:00.460 --> 00:34:05.440
see the case i do see a point where um so that's

00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:07.759
how i would do it in this case when if i was

00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:11.099
developing a web app i would have the the browser

00:34:11.099 --> 00:34:14.480
window with the live preview on the macbook screen

00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:18.019
but i would definitely not have it in two tiles

00:34:18.019 --> 00:34:21.400
because if my code is in one tile and the preview

00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:24.179
is on the other in the other tile then it means

00:34:24.179 --> 00:34:27.579
like most of the time i'll be looking at my code

00:34:27.579 --> 00:34:29.639
right and i won't spend so much time looking

00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:32.780
at the preview because i'll be coding but then

00:34:32.780 --> 00:34:36.059
it means i would need to look always to one side

00:34:36.059 --> 00:34:39.570
of the screen And ideally, I would have my main

00:34:39.570 --> 00:34:42.130
work front and center on the screen, which is

00:34:42.130 --> 00:34:43.849
the most ergonomic, the most comfortable for

00:34:43.849 --> 00:34:49.010
me to keep for long periods of time. Okay, so

00:34:49.010 --> 00:34:53.090
overall then, what's the conclusion of this?

00:34:53.250 --> 00:34:56.050
Everyone that uses multiple monitors is just

00:34:56.050 --> 00:34:58.130
bloat. They don't know what they're talking about.

00:34:58.670 --> 00:35:01.170
Agree? I mean, I'd co -sign that, but to an extent

00:35:01.170 --> 00:35:03.849
where if we caveat the fact that the word bloat...

00:35:03.900 --> 00:35:06.159
means things that you don't personally like then

00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:09.300
yeah 100 i'm i'm all for that but um i do have

00:35:09.300 --> 00:35:11.840
a question for henry do you ever see a situation

00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:15.400
where like maybe an older version of you like

00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:17.079
a younger version i guess rather would have had

00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:19.239
like my sql workbench or something like one of

00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:21.619
those ides from my sql open on like a separate

00:35:21.619 --> 00:35:25.239
monitor and then you can look at the data yeah

00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:27.900
db or something and then you you're looking at

00:35:27.900 --> 00:35:29.739
that on a second monitor and then like kind of

00:35:29.739 --> 00:35:31.940
looking at your code and stuff that's been now

00:35:31.940 --> 00:35:35.909
solved with your 20 line neovim like native plug

00:35:35.909 --> 00:35:40.130
script that you wrote or no yeah i think so definitely

00:35:40.130 --> 00:35:42.969
i definitely felt more was better in the past

00:35:42.969 --> 00:35:46.110
um and i do feel depending on the nature of the

00:35:46.110 --> 00:35:49.230
work a different workflow is probably better

00:35:49.230 --> 00:35:52.389
for example if you do a lot of data analysis

00:35:52.389 --> 00:35:55.789
i do feel it is helpful to have multiple screens

00:35:55.789 --> 00:35:59.630
just because you'll probably have some kind of

00:35:59.630 --> 00:36:02.190
presentation or some spreadsheet or whatever

00:36:02.190 --> 00:36:04.750
maybe someone sent you over a spreadsheet hey

00:36:04.750 --> 00:36:07.929
have a look at these whatever ids and then you're

00:36:07.929 --> 00:36:11.070
kind of pulling those over into a query and then

00:36:11.070 --> 00:36:13.110
you need to look at the results and then maybe

00:36:13.110 --> 00:36:16.630
sometimes you need to see a big table and yeah

00:36:16.630 --> 00:36:20.409
i i just think that can be very helpful at times

00:36:20.409 --> 00:36:24.510
now is it bad getting used to working with multiple

00:36:24.510 --> 00:36:27.210
monitors in case they don't have to at some point

00:36:27.210 --> 00:36:31.119
should you go through the pain you know of improving

00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:33.599
your workflow so you can adapt it to a single

00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:35.559
monitor so it doesn't matter if you have to go

00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:38.519
outside you can still be as efficient you think

00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:42.579
or it's like now i work with um data analysis

00:36:42.579 --> 00:36:44.500
like you mentioned i don't know what you guys

00:36:44.500 --> 00:36:47.260
do there but i guess you go through a lot of

00:36:47.260 --> 00:36:51.840
data right but um is it worth it to try to adapt

00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:54.420
it to a single monitor it's like no it i'll just

00:36:54.420 --> 00:36:56.920
use two monitors and whatever in my opinion it

00:36:56.920 --> 00:37:00.079
really depends on your main work setup like if

00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.159
you're a person that travels a lot i definitely

00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:04.460
think it makes sense to optimize for a smaller

00:37:04.460 --> 00:37:07.480
screen like in my case i sometimes work from

00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:09.320
the berlin office sometimes i work at home sometimes

00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:11.099
i go to my mom's place in germany work there

00:37:11.099 --> 00:37:14.519
and so i have a lot of different setups and i

00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:17.380
like to be able to work With my MacBook monitor,

00:37:17.579 --> 00:37:19.340
with my main monitor, with a different monitor,

00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:21.900
I want to be able to just use my laptop keyboard

00:37:21.900 --> 00:37:23.860
as well. That's why I'm not using something like

00:37:23.860 --> 00:37:31.579
a Mac or some weird QWERTY. Just because I can

00:37:31.579 --> 00:37:33.980
keep the muscle memory and use a computer like

00:37:33.980 --> 00:37:37.800
a normal human being. I kind of optimize for

00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:41.820
that. Yeah, I guess it really depends. But then

00:37:41.820 --> 00:37:43.719
if you're a person that only does data analysis

00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:45.719
and only working from the home office and never

00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:48.519
travels, never goes to the office, and you always

00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:51.579
have your optimal setup, then why not optimize

00:37:51.579 --> 00:37:53.480
for that? But it really depends on the person

00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:56.159
and the need, I would say. So basically, if you're

00:37:56.159 --> 00:38:00.179
an Arch user that doesn't go out to touch grass,

00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:03.039
it's just in front of the computer the whole

00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:05.769
day. You're allowed to use multiple monitors.

00:38:05.949 --> 00:38:08.750
Is that what I understood from your conclusion?

00:38:08.750 --> 00:38:10.289
Yeah, you can optimize for whatever you want.

00:38:10.349 --> 00:38:14.809
You can optimize for Dvorak, I don't know. Konec,

00:38:14.829 --> 00:38:17.409
Dvorak, all that stuff. They're going to come

00:38:17.409 --> 00:38:21.469
after you again, Link. No, but I think he's right

00:38:21.469 --> 00:38:24.610
because there's value in being able to work on

00:38:24.610 --> 00:38:27.190
a laptop only and work efficiently, especially

00:38:27.190 --> 00:38:31.500
when you're just working from home. couple days

00:38:31.500 --> 00:38:32.840
of the week you go into the office or whatever

00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:34.739
with your laptop i think people could that can

00:38:34.739 --> 00:38:37.320
get stuff done quickly with one screen like i

00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.340
don't know it just helps you know you don't have

00:38:40.340 --> 00:38:41.840
to like you don't need a whole setup you could

00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:44.260
just get you you have a bug or something right

00:38:44.260 --> 00:38:45.760
you pull your laptop out of your backpack and

00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:47.480
then you skate to the coffee shop or whatever

00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:49.219
and then you order like a little latte for it

00:38:49.219 --> 00:38:51.679
costs eight bucks or whatever and then you just

00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:54.199
quickly fix it and then you're giga chad you

00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:55.730
know what i'm saying like you don't care Yeah,

00:38:55.789 --> 00:38:57.469
yeah. Like you have a MacBook too, probably.

00:38:57.610 --> 00:38:59.110
And this person I'm talking about has a MacBook,

00:38:59.269 --> 00:39:02.849
right? Yeah, of course. So I remember how it

00:39:02.849 --> 00:39:05.510
was when I had my huge screen and I had to work

00:39:05.510 --> 00:39:08.250
on the small screen. Man, I just, that memory

00:39:08.250 --> 00:39:11.050
came back to my mind and it was freaking painful.

00:39:11.630 --> 00:39:15.530
Have you guys seen the Microsoft errors where

00:39:15.530 --> 00:39:18.710
there's a lot of instances of the error, like

00:39:18.710 --> 00:39:21.449
a trail? Have you seen that image? Like there's

00:39:21.449 --> 00:39:25.369
a lot of small, hold on. This is the way that

00:39:25.369 --> 00:39:31.010
I had to organize my apps. Microsoft Air Trail.

00:39:31.809 --> 00:39:34.050
I guess I'm going to be able to find something.

00:39:34.329 --> 00:39:36.869
This is the way that I had to organize my applications

00:39:36.869 --> 00:39:41.369
when I had to switch from the 4K TV to the monitor.

00:39:41.630 --> 00:39:45.449
So I had all of them like this and I would click

00:39:45.449 --> 00:39:49.489
on the edge, you know, to travel to each app.

00:39:49.630 --> 00:39:52.610
It was painful. It was not effective. It was...

00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:56.400
Uh, no, but you know, you come a long way link,

00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:58.000
you come a long way and you've evolved and you've

00:39:58.000 --> 00:39:59.739
got a lot more to go. You never, it's a, it's

00:39:59.739 --> 00:40:02.079
a rabbit hole. You never stop. You'd like literally

00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:04.159
this morning you were doing something with, with

00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:05.500
some kitty sessions, right? Or something like

00:40:05.500 --> 00:40:08.460
that. Yep. Yep. Yep. So, but it all goes along

00:40:08.460 --> 00:40:11.219
with the keyboard as well, right? Is the keyboard

00:40:11.219 --> 00:40:14.219
a huge part of your guys's workflow? Let's go

00:40:14.219 --> 00:40:16.059
with you, Tony. What do you do with your keyboard?

00:40:16.219 --> 00:40:18.579
What do you do with your mouse? What do I do

00:40:18.579 --> 00:40:20.420
with my keyboard, bro? That's a little bit of

00:40:20.420 --> 00:40:24.440
an intimate question. What do I do with my keyboard?

00:40:26.380 --> 00:40:28.639
No, I feel like I'm going to agree with Henry

00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:32.199
on this. I want my keyboard to be... I want to

00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:35.000
be able to use all of my workflow on a rubber

00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:38.000
dome keyboard that's $5, like the Dell keyboard

00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:40.780
that comes with the built -in pre -built PCs,

00:40:41.059 --> 00:40:43.099
that little $5 keyboard. I want to be able to

00:40:43.099 --> 00:40:46.320
use that keyboard and be just fine. And I'm pretty

00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:49.559
sure if i have like some split keyboard or some

00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:51.840
dvorak thing like i i'm not going to be able

00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:54.019
to just float around and be efficient on all

00:40:54.019 --> 00:40:56.300
that stuff plus i don't have carpal tunnel or

00:40:56.300 --> 00:40:58.000
anything like that like that bad because i actually

00:40:58.000 --> 00:40:59.559
watched the work i watched the carpal tunnel

00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:01.199
videos i've been doing those exercises every

00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:03.699
every day so i think you know that goes a long

00:41:03.699 --> 00:41:05.800
way too i'm just kind of half kidding because

00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.420
but i do actually do some of that stuff but for

00:41:08.420 --> 00:41:10.679
me it's like it's like the split keyboard thing

00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:15.639
i actually press y uh with my left hand my left

00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:19.190
pointer finger So I can never use a split keyboard

00:41:19.190 --> 00:41:21.530
because of the fact that when I split my hands,

00:41:21.650 --> 00:41:25.250
the Y key is on the right side. So when I do

00:41:25.250 --> 00:41:28.289
monkey type on a split keyboard, I'm at like

00:41:28.289 --> 00:41:30.130
eight words per minute because I can't hit Y.

00:41:30.329 --> 00:41:32.429
And there's some other things, too. But on a

00:41:32.429 --> 00:41:34.690
regular keyboard, I'm pretty fast. So I'm always

00:41:34.690 --> 00:41:36.230
going to be using a regular keyboard, probably

00:41:36.230 --> 00:41:39.050
just for two reasons. One is kind of what Henry

00:41:39.050 --> 00:41:41.130
said is like if you open up a random laptop or

00:41:41.130 --> 00:41:43.070
if you have to debug somebody on somebody, a

00:41:43.070 --> 00:41:45.650
normal machine. I want to be able to just use

00:41:45.650 --> 00:41:48.409
the keyboard Q -E -Q -W -E -R -T -Y, you know?

00:41:48.429 --> 00:41:51.230
So unless the government mandates Dvorak or Colmac

00:41:51.230 --> 00:41:52.530
or something, like I'm going to be staying on

00:41:52.530 --> 00:41:55.289
like a regular keyboard for until then. So how,

00:41:55.389 --> 00:41:58.090
how often do you use another laptop though? Like,

00:41:58.090 --> 00:42:01.530
cause I have my, my key maps, you know, my, my,

00:42:01.530 --> 00:42:04.150
my keyboard is configured on my external keyboard,

00:42:04.269 --> 00:42:07.289
but using Canada, I can figure it the same way

00:42:07.289 --> 00:42:09.730
on my Mac book keyboard on the built -in keyboard.

00:42:09.849 --> 00:42:11.929
So it doesn't matter if I'm on the glove 80.

00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:15.739
Or if I'm on the MacBook keyboard, my key maps

00:42:15.739 --> 00:42:18.860
are the exact same. Nothing changes at all, right?

00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:22.119
So if I'm on my computer, it's awesome. I can

00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:24.699
work, doesn't matter. But yeah, if I go to a

00:42:24.699 --> 00:42:27.420
different computer, god damn. Or if someone tries

00:42:27.420 --> 00:42:29.559
to use my computer, good luck. They will not.

00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:31.760
But I use QWERTY, you know? That's security.

00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:34.280
That's security though, right? that's another

00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:37.860
layer of security right yeah yeah yeah but i

00:42:37.860 --> 00:42:40.260
use qwerty right but how often do you use another

00:42:40.260 --> 00:42:43.179
computer so i use like five different computers

00:42:43.179 --> 00:42:44.980
and i don't even leave my house that often man

00:42:44.980 --> 00:42:47.780
i've got like a setup down here and then i've

00:42:47.780 --> 00:42:49.840
got two three laptops like that i would do different

00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:52.619
things on one of them is just like testing different

00:42:52.619 --> 00:42:54.780
linux distributions because for the channel i

00:42:54.780 --> 00:42:56.340
make a lot of linux videos and i want to do it

00:42:56.340 --> 00:42:58.760
on bare metal and then i've got like a work laptop

00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:00.880
and stuff and i've got like i just have a bunch

00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:02.760
of machines that i use i have two computers i

00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:05.300
have a server i have too many dude there's too

00:43:05.300 --> 00:43:07.820
much stuff dude my life is bloated with as far

00:43:07.820 --> 00:43:09.579
as like how many computers i have it's it is

00:43:09.579 --> 00:43:12.519
bloat for sure but yeah definitely and i've got

00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:14.219
too many keyboards too just collect them over

00:43:14.219 --> 00:43:17.340
the like last couple years so what about what

00:43:17.340 --> 00:43:19.199
about you hendrick what are your thoughts on

00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:24.800
um keyboard like yeah in your entire workflow

00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:27.920
is it like keyboard centric a lot or it's like

00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:30.360
nah not too much yeah there's a trade -off there

00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:33.539
right because i try to make it as keyboard centric

00:43:33.539 --> 00:43:37.500
as possible and i even try to to get a vim like

00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:40.340
workflow everywhere in the browser using tools

00:43:40.340 --> 00:43:43.980
like uh what is it called vimium i even made

00:43:43.980 --> 00:43:45.960
a video about shortcut recently which is this

00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:48.800
um vim everywhere kind of tool that allows you

00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:52.550
to click on anything in any ui and on on mac

00:43:52.550 --> 00:43:56.409
using the keyboard but honestly for the day -to

00:43:56.409 --> 00:43:58.690
-day workflow as long as i'm in the terminal

00:43:58.690 --> 00:44:01.650
i only use the keyboard but then if i'm in a

00:44:01.650 --> 00:44:04.030
browser i find i'm just faster using the mouse

00:44:04.030 --> 00:44:07.949
and i also think there's nothing wrong with using

00:44:07.949 --> 00:44:10.190
the mouse when you're interacting with the ui

00:44:10.190 --> 00:44:13.630
that is designed for the mouse because i mean

00:44:13.630 --> 00:44:16.570
some things are just designed for that kind of

00:44:16.570 --> 00:44:23.119
workflow i mean with no mouse see how that goes

00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:27.179
yeah i mean it would be perfect if everything

00:44:27.179 --> 00:44:31.119
was a tui or a cli app but it's just not the

00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:34.260
case unfortunately yeah yeah i use the mouse

00:44:34.260 --> 00:44:37.719
as well i try to use this mouseless app but I

00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:40.340
haven't used it in a long time. Sometimes it's

00:44:40.340 --> 00:44:43.099
just faster to grab the mouse. But then I'm like,

00:44:43.219 --> 00:44:45.559
but I should be using Mouseless, and I open it

00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:47.860
from time to time, and I'm just switching between

00:44:47.860 --> 00:44:50.119
the two. I tried to go Mouseless completely,

00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:53.079
but it didn't work out for me. Is it the grid

00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:57.239
one? The grid one, yeah. Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah,

00:44:57.300 --> 00:45:00.440
that's pretty cool. To sort of echo what Henry

00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:02.400
just said, for web development, I need to make

00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:05.619
sure that the mouse works for the user, so I

00:45:05.619 --> 00:45:07.579
have to use the mouse, you know? Exactly. But

00:45:07.579 --> 00:45:09.800
if I'm in the terminal, exactly like you said,

00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:11.880
it's always the keyboard. If I'm in NeoVM, keyboard,

00:45:12.059 --> 00:45:15.280
etc. What the... It's great. It looks like C

00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:17.179
-Matrix or something, bro. You look like Neo.

00:45:17.340 --> 00:45:20.239
What are you doing? If you're epileptic, be careful.

00:45:21.059 --> 00:45:22.900
You forgot to give the trigger warning, man.

00:45:24.139 --> 00:45:28.900
Yeah. So that is the trigger or the grid that

00:45:28.900 --> 00:45:32.119
Hendrik was talking about. Now, is there... Oh,

00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:34.280
okay. Yeah. Let's talk about something else.

00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:36.500
Let's talk about this other window manager that

00:45:36.500 --> 00:45:39.059
I've seen a lot recently that is called Neary.

00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:44.619
This is a Linux thing. Us, macOS, you know, normies

00:45:44.619 --> 00:45:46.860
don't know about this type of window manager,

00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:51.019
but I have seen it a lot, right? So is it worth

00:45:51.019 --> 00:45:53.199
it? Is it useful? What do you think on that,

00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:57.099
Tony? Yeah, I think it's great. I actually have

00:45:57.099 --> 00:45:59.500
a video coming out on it probably in a few weeks,

00:45:59.579 --> 00:46:04.800
but I think people, First of all, I think it's

00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:06.699
written in Rust, so that always makes it, you

00:46:06.699 --> 00:46:08.119
know, you get extra points if you're written

00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:10.320
in Rust, you know? A lot of people like that.

00:46:10.500 --> 00:46:13.099
But another thing is, like, if you don't care

00:46:13.099 --> 00:46:15.840
about that, it's really good for, it has this

00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:17.820
unique thing about it called it's like a scrolling

00:46:17.820 --> 00:46:19.900
window manager. Like, a lot of you hear the tiling

00:46:19.900 --> 00:46:21.719
window managers, dynamic window managers. This

00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:24.460
one's like a scrolling one. And so people have

00:46:24.460 --> 00:46:26.380
been taking this scrolling feature from Niri

00:46:26.380 --> 00:46:28.519
and adding it to their own window manager so

00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:30.579
that they can, like, have this new technology

00:46:30.579 --> 00:46:33.219
in their own window manager. um but it's kind

00:46:33.219 --> 00:46:34.800
of cool a lot of people say it's like designed

00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:37.500
for laptops because you can just have like a

00:46:37.500 --> 00:46:39.119
million different things open on one workspace

00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:42.159
and just scroll them over and over again but

00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:43.659
i don't think that does it justice because there's

00:46:43.659 --> 00:46:45.340
so many different features with niri that are

00:46:45.340 --> 00:46:47.659
not just that scrolling feature that that make

00:46:47.659 --> 00:46:49.000
it like a little bit different than a lot of

00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:51.300
these other i don't want to say window managers

00:46:51.300 --> 00:46:52.900
because they're technically not window managers

00:46:52.900 --> 00:46:55.739
but yeah you have a question I have a question

00:46:55.739 --> 00:46:57.940
for you right there. Doesn't it defeat the purpose?

00:46:58.019 --> 00:47:00.920
I know it manages windows and that's its purpose,

00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:03.760
you know, because it's not like a workflow optimizer.

00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:06.000
That's not its name, right? It's just a window

00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.920
manager. So it manages your windows. But doesn't

00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:13.019
it defeat the purpose of optimizing your workflow?

00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:15.079
If you have everything, you know, like in a space

00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:18.679
and you can scroll through 50 apps, right? Isn't

00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:20.760
it too difficult to find your app? Let's say

00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:23.679
that you have 20 apps, right? You have to scroll

00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:28.099
through them. right oh here it is now i need

00:47:28.099 --> 00:47:30.199
to go back to the other one that is all the way

00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:34.619
at the beginning going back right so is it effective

00:47:34.619 --> 00:47:38.179
so it is effective but it is effective because

00:47:38.179 --> 00:47:41.179
there there's it's not just like one workspace

00:47:41.179 --> 00:47:44.340
it has everything you you normally would expect

00:47:44.340 --> 00:47:46.619
from window manager like you can do one two three

00:47:46.619 --> 00:47:50.159
four for your tags but on those tags every i

00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:52.320
guess every tag is considered like its own infinite

00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:55.039
strip if you will so let's say you want to only

00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:57.320
have one tag and you have a terminal like i was

00:47:57.320 --> 00:47:59.019
showing earlier with the terminal in the in the

00:47:59.019 --> 00:48:01.659
browser instead of switching over from tag one

00:48:01.659 --> 00:48:03.960
to tag two you can just press like super h or

00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:06.739
super l like with vim keybinds to just go like

00:48:06.739 --> 00:48:08.400
left and right and just scroll through whatever

00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:11.739
is on your tag one or tag two but it also works

00:48:11.739 --> 00:48:13.300
really well with the trackpad so if you're like

00:48:13.300 --> 00:48:15.739
a trackpad normie like it built into the kit

00:48:15.739 --> 00:48:19.440
has trackpad like triple uh whatever the heck,

00:48:19.460 --> 00:48:21.360
triple finger gestures and stuff. So it's like...

00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:25.940
Like macOS. Yeah, exactly. Like macOS. Yeah,

00:48:25.940 --> 00:48:27.900
yeah. I was about to say, I think it'd be good

00:48:27.900 --> 00:48:29.699
for you to check it out. They're going back in

00:48:29.699 --> 00:48:33.280
time and they're copying macOS. I don't buy it,

00:48:33.300 --> 00:48:35.000
Tony. I disagree with you there. But it's not

00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.480
a... I don't want to be... I'd hate to be this

00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:39.119
guy, but it's not a window manager. Why do you

00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:41.119
think it's a window manager? What is it? What

00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:43.860
is it then? it's technically not a window manager

00:48:43.860 --> 00:48:45.980
it's called a whaling compositor technically

00:48:45.980 --> 00:48:48.639
oh okay so i'm curious why why you think it's

00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:50.340
a window manager because i see it on youtube

00:48:50.340 --> 00:48:54.519
all over the place if i search for niri i'm gonna

00:48:54.519 --> 00:48:57.219
find a lot of videos i'm not gonna call any names

00:48:57.219 --> 00:49:00.559
uh oh or no sorry guys maybe a dumb question

00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:03.280
but because i've just learned about niri just

00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:06.199
before the video and i've been looking into it

00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:08.500
but i don't get what's the difference between

00:49:09.769 --> 00:49:12.250
niri and just having a tiling window manager

00:49:12.250 --> 00:49:15.070
and spaces that you can swipe between like on

00:49:15.070 --> 00:49:19.949
mac os functionally it's pretty similar pretty

00:49:19.949 --> 00:49:22.309
similar but niri is open source and free so that

00:49:22.309 --> 00:49:26.889
would be the difference okay okay okay but i

00:49:26.889 --> 00:49:29.849
mean on on regular linux machines you can also

00:49:29.849 --> 00:49:32.929
have multiple spaces right so yeah look at this

00:49:32.929 --> 00:49:35.449
scrolling window manager yeah i mean there's

00:49:35.449 --> 00:49:37.289
a lot of cool things you can do in niri but again

00:49:37.289 --> 00:49:39.150
like you said i think a lot of these window managers

00:49:39.150 --> 00:49:42.829
have adapted pretty much everything um from each

00:49:42.829 --> 00:49:45.889
other so yeah what's that who's that guy no you're

00:49:45.889 --> 00:49:48.389
also getting the show that i got favorite youtuber

00:49:48.389 --> 00:49:52.849
yeah oh this this short yeah that's the one that

00:49:52.849 --> 00:49:57.090
i got it's an ai generated yeah yeah that's gold

00:49:57.090 --> 00:50:00.940
so what was the question then hendrick like What's

00:50:00.940 --> 00:50:02.780
the difference? Okay, so what's the purpose of

00:50:02.780 --> 00:50:04.940
a scrolling window manager if you can have the

00:50:04.940 --> 00:50:07.639
applications like in different spaces, right?

00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:11.199
One in each space. I guess, Tony, would it be

00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:14.139
like that you don't have to worry about putting

00:50:14.139 --> 00:50:16.539
applications in different spaces and organizing

00:50:16.539 --> 00:50:19.179
them, but instead of jumping to them effectively,

00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:22.119
you scroll through them until you find it, right?

00:50:22.219 --> 00:50:24.139
So you have to scroll through your apps until

00:50:24.139 --> 00:50:26.539
you find the one that you want. kind of like

00:50:26.539 --> 00:50:28.280
that right yeah i mean there's just different

00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:30.639
out of the box defaults for niri for example

00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:33.480
that are just sane i guess and yeah it has like

00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:36.940
extra stuff like first of all it's not just i

00:50:36.940 --> 00:50:38.719
guess it's a scrolling window manager but there's

00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:41.000
so many other things that are they're adding

00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:43.900
to it all the time to make it kind of um for

00:50:43.900 --> 00:50:45.780
people that were used to like gnome back in the

00:50:45.780 --> 00:50:47.780
day they had this workspace featuring gnome that's

00:50:47.780 --> 00:50:49.139
similar to what you guys are talking about with

00:50:49.139 --> 00:50:52.179
the you know the mac spaces and stuff so it's

00:50:52.179 --> 00:50:54.840
like kind of a combo between like a desktop environment

00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:58.280
and window manager. But yeah, it's an interesting

00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:03.019
project for sure. I like it a lot actually for

00:51:03.019 --> 00:51:05.400
my laptop. I've been using it just kind of for

00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:07.280
testing purposes and it's pretty clean out of

00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:11.719
the box for sure. I have another question on

00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:15.360
this. So a tiling window manager always tries,

00:51:15.500 --> 00:51:17.400
like you open an app and the tiling window manager

00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:19.739
tries to find the optimal position on your screen,

00:51:19.900 --> 00:51:23.599
maximize. your your screen real estate basically

00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:26.739
right but now when you can scroll like how does

00:51:26.739 --> 00:51:30.719
a window actually end up outside your your viewport

00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:33.699
inside of that scrolling section and then how

00:51:33.699 --> 00:51:35.539
do you scroll do you use do you use the mouse

00:51:35.539 --> 00:51:38.920
or trackpad or can you scroll using the keyboard

00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:42.039
how does that work yeah so you can scroll you

00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:43.960
can you can customize it however you want but

00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:46.219
out of the default the defaults are set up to

00:51:46.219 --> 00:51:47.880
where you can scroll the trackpad if you have

00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:50.760
one can also scroll with like super h super l

00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.260
like the vim keys so you can just scroll left

00:51:53.260 --> 00:51:55.239
right left right with one but you also don't

00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:57.699
even need to use that aspect of the window manager

00:51:57.699 --> 00:52:00.039
like you can just have it as a deep like you

00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:02.940
could literally do what i just did um where you

00:52:02.940 --> 00:52:05.519
just open one window on each tag and then you

00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:07.539
just go to your tags and you don't worry about

00:52:07.539 --> 00:52:11.099
it um but i actually would be curious to see

00:52:11.099 --> 00:52:13.420
one of you guys like try it out on like a virtual

00:52:13.420 --> 00:52:16.800
machine or something um just to see what it would

00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:19.519
look like to watch a mac os user like open up

00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:21.980
niri as deep with the defaults because it seems

00:52:21.980 --> 00:52:24.559
like it kind of seemed it kind of feels like

00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:28.840
it's mac os like defaults staying you know what

00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:31.119
i mean does it come with the marching so we can

00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:39.300
give it a try um it's distro agnostic so no omarchi

00:52:39.300 --> 00:52:41.760
it comes with hyperland by default so i think

00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:44.059
you'd have to if you're going to use omarchi

00:52:44.059 --> 00:52:46.239
you have to install You'd have to install it

00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:50.579
on top of Omarchi, I think. Okay. Now, is there

00:52:50.579 --> 00:52:52.800
something else that you guys want to touch about

00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:55.000
what we talked about right now or you want to

00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:58.460
jump to another topic? Well, I mean, you mentioned

00:52:58.460 --> 00:53:00.179
the O word. I mean, we can open that can of worms.

00:53:00.219 --> 00:53:02.500
I feel it's pretty politically charged. We can

00:53:02.500 --> 00:53:06.360
just jump right into that. Yeah. So I've seen

00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:08.940
this everywhere, right? Omarchi, Omarchi and

00:53:08.940 --> 00:53:12.800
big YouTubers bring it up. And everyone is, you

00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:16.679
know, talking on someone's something. Right.

00:53:17.139 --> 00:53:21.000
So it raises the questions and also it makes

00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:24.420
me wonder, is it actually a good distribution?

00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:27.219
I haven't tried it. Right. And I don't want to

00:53:27.219 --> 00:53:30.300
try it because it's I feel that there's a lot

00:53:30.300 --> 00:53:33.820
of hype around it because the content is hot

00:53:33.820 --> 00:53:36.719
right now. If I make a video about Amarchi, people's

00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:40.309
going to watch it probably. Right. So. Is that

00:53:40.309 --> 00:53:42.869
the reason why it's so popular? Is it actually

00:53:42.869 --> 00:53:46.329
really good? What do you guys think? I kind of

00:53:46.329 --> 00:53:48.769
want to let Henry go first on this one. Okay.

00:53:49.230 --> 00:53:51.190
I'll go after you. I mean, I think the reason

00:53:51.190 --> 00:53:54.530
it's popular is because DHH has crazy reach.

00:53:54.929 --> 00:53:56.849
And whatever he does, a lot of people are willing

00:53:56.849 --> 00:53:59.070
to try. Also, he has a very good reputation.

00:53:59.409 --> 00:54:01.969
So I think it makes sense that it's popular.

00:54:02.590 --> 00:54:05.250
The way I feel about it is exactly how I feel

00:54:05.250 --> 00:54:09.190
about NeoVim distros, essentially. I think...

00:54:09.690 --> 00:54:12.170
they're really good especially to show you if

00:54:12.170 --> 00:54:14.429
you have no idea what you're doing i would always

00:54:14.429 --> 00:54:16.210
start with something like this just to see what

00:54:16.210 --> 00:54:19.789
is possible like i have never raised the arch

00:54:19.789 --> 00:54:23.550
configuration on on hyperland or anything so

00:54:23.550 --> 00:54:25.829
just to get a sense of what is possible i would

00:54:25.829 --> 00:54:29.110
start with omachi and then i would probably de

00:54:29.110 --> 00:54:32.150
-bloat and see like remove all the stuff that

00:54:32.150 --> 00:54:34.070
i don't need maybe make some tweaks here and

00:54:34.070 --> 00:54:36.730
there and then two months later i will anyways

00:54:36.730 --> 00:54:39.710
end up configuring everything from scratch and

00:54:39.710 --> 00:54:43.130
building my own exactly how I like it. And that's

00:54:43.130 --> 00:54:46.349
also how I did new Vim. After VS Code, I installed

00:54:46.349 --> 00:54:49.710
AstroVim, then LazyVim, and nothing really worked

00:54:49.710 --> 00:54:52.869
perfectly for me. And in the end, I just built

00:54:52.869 --> 00:54:55.969
my own config. And I feel it would be the same

00:54:55.969 --> 00:54:58.309
with Omagi. Well, it's great that it exists,

00:54:58.510 --> 00:55:00.949
but it would most likely not be an end -all be

00:55:00.949 --> 00:55:03.789
-all for me. What do you think, Tony? No, that's

00:55:03.789 --> 00:55:05.269
a good, I mean, that's interesting, because you're

00:55:05.269 --> 00:55:07.730
talking about the via negativa philosophy with

00:55:07.730 --> 00:55:10.210
your with your setup, right? So you just go straight

00:55:10.210 --> 00:55:13.070
from something that's out of the box with defaults

00:55:13.070 --> 00:55:14.730
that you, you don't think you have time to set

00:55:14.730 --> 00:55:17.610
up for yourself to see what's possible. I get

00:55:17.610 --> 00:55:20.110
that. Um, I actually didn't know anything about

00:55:20.110 --> 00:55:22.670
home marquee until yesterday when you told me

00:55:22.670 --> 00:55:24.449
we're going to talk about it. Cause I've purposely

00:55:24.449 --> 00:55:26.530
kind of just been blocking it out mentally because

00:55:26.530 --> 00:55:29.829
I see so much, like I just see so many every

00:55:29.829 --> 00:55:32.610
day. I see a new video about it, a thumbnail

00:55:32.610 --> 00:55:34.769
or a title. And I'm like, what is this? And I

00:55:34.769 --> 00:55:36.710
just, for whatever reason, I didn't like the,

00:55:36.829 --> 00:55:39.840
um, aesthetics of the word omarkey in the thumbnail

00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:42.780
so i just never clicked on it and so i'm like

00:55:42.780 --> 00:55:44.219
yeah you know what whatever but then so when

00:55:44.219 --> 00:55:46.300
you ask me you know hey let's talk about a market

00:55:46.300 --> 00:55:47.800
like you know what let me actually look at this

00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:49.940
and see what this is about before i actually

00:55:49.940 --> 00:55:52.400
talk about it so i looked at the repo it looks

00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:55.679
pretty i mean it looks like the the the base

00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:58.679
camp is who made the like who made the repository

00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:01.099
i guess it was made by dhh but base camp is like

00:56:01.099 --> 00:56:03.860
a like the conglomerate corporation or whatever

00:56:03.860 --> 00:56:06.039
yeah i mean called account i guess but the the

00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:08.480
corporation that made the company the district

00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:11.139
we want to call distribution they also made something

00:56:11.139 --> 00:56:13.860
for ubuntu similar uh i looked at their like

00:56:13.860 --> 00:56:17.239
i'm a cool what happened to that did it die already

00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:20.480
well i think it still exists i'm sure it's the

00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:22.599
same thing like i think it just started with

00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:25.480
somebody wanting like same defaults shippable

00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:28.429
to a bunch of other people like I don't have

00:56:28.429 --> 00:56:29.809
any problem with that. It's a free open source

00:56:29.809 --> 00:56:32.730
project. Somebody can ship their .files to whoever

00:56:32.730 --> 00:56:35.030
they want. It just installs everything you need,

00:56:35.110 --> 00:56:36.630
and that's kind of cool. Maybe it lowers friction

00:56:36.630 --> 00:56:39.849
for people that don't want to go through the

00:56:39.849 --> 00:56:42.210
process of setting everything up by themselves.

00:56:44.329 --> 00:56:46.809
But what I will say is that when I looked at

00:56:46.809 --> 00:56:49.389
the script, there's so much stuff on there that

00:56:49.389 --> 00:56:54.889
I think is just not needed. To debloat that,

00:56:55.010 --> 00:56:57.760
it would actually take less time to just... start

00:56:57.760 --> 00:56:59.559
from scratch and then like figure out like what

00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:02.300
you're missing because it's like for me personally

00:57:02.300 --> 00:57:04.159
like i don't know i only need like five things

00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:07.840
like henry only needs like i think neo vim uh

00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:11.280
wes term maybe like a kind of a window manager

00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:14.000
that's similar to like the workspace one two

00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:17.079
three four five thing and mac and then like from

00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:19.219
there i guess it would just be like a web browser

00:57:19.219 --> 00:57:20.840
and like i think it would be like a lot easier

00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:22.599
to just start from scratch like you just need

00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:24.860
like five tools to get everything going whereas

00:57:24.860 --> 00:57:28.920
if you download this um we'll call it free and

00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:30.400
open source bloatware, I guess we'll call it

00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:32.820
that. When you install this, it's like you have

00:57:32.820 --> 00:57:35.260
so much stuff on your system that you don't need.

00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:37.519
I mean, I don't know. It just like, it doesn't

00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:39.320
make any sense. Like it's somebody else's key

00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:41.119
binds. It's like putting on somebody else's clothes

00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:42.320
and like walking around outside. That doesn't

00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:45.500
make any sense. Just worry, just make your own

00:57:45.500 --> 00:57:47.860
stuff. You know what I mean? But you know, I

00:57:47.860 --> 00:57:50.159
don't know. I mean, we'll see where this goes.

00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:53.639
I do get a little bit of a vitriolic response

00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:56.750
when I see a video that says, is a you know something

00:57:56.750 --> 00:57:58.510
about a marquee of the title and i'm like i don't

00:57:58.510 --> 00:58:00.869
really why are we why are we you know astroturfing

00:58:00.869 --> 00:58:03.650
this but it is what it is i mean it's it's probably

00:58:03.650 --> 00:58:07.409
a good thing for for for linux because it's bringing

00:58:07.409 --> 00:58:09.849
people probably bring people into arch and make

00:58:09.849 --> 00:58:12.110
people start learning about arch but i think

00:58:12.110 --> 00:58:15.130
vimity actually said this about about neo vim

00:58:15.130 --> 00:58:17.730
distributions in one of his videos he said that

00:58:17.730 --> 00:58:19.750
if you start with like lunar vim or something

00:58:19.750 --> 00:58:24.800
or what was the other but envy chat or yeah and

00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:27.840
be chat one of those yep and then you have a

00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:30.440
bug right and you you search on either google

00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:32.760
or an llm and you say how do i make this work

00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:34.559
in lunar vim like that's not gonna you're not

00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:36.260
gonna figure that out right but if you're in

00:58:36.260 --> 00:58:38.480
neovim and you're just doing regular stuff you're

00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:41.019
like okay how how do i make this work in neovim

00:58:41.019 --> 00:58:42.940
like the same concept right like you're not going

00:58:42.940 --> 00:58:45.260
to really be able to figure it out in a much

00:58:45.260 --> 00:58:48.179
smaller ecosystem with less tutorials less documentation

00:58:48.179 --> 00:58:52.420
and so on exactly But yeah, overall, I think

00:58:52.420 --> 00:58:55.519
I have given it a lot of unnecessary hate, to

00:58:55.519 --> 00:58:57.079
be honest with you, privately with you guys,

00:58:57.199 --> 00:58:59.679
because it is free and open source software at

00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:01.000
the end of the day, and it's somebody else's

00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:03.099
dot files. It's kind of cool. I think it probably

00:59:03.099 --> 00:59:05.840
is pretty cool, but it's just not something that

00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:07.980
I'd ever need, right? Because I've already spent

00:59:07.980 --> 00:59:11.340
so much time configuring my system. And if anybody

00:59:11.340 --> 00:59:13.539
asks me, would I recommend it to anybody? No,

00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:16.320
I would not recommend that to anybody. So, I

00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:19.219
don't know. Not even someone completely new.

00:59:19.639 --> 00:59:22.940
go go henrik i'm sorry you know i basically have

00:59:22.940 --> 00:59:26.500
the same question like i've never raised a arch

00:59:26.500 --> 00:59:29.420
configuration but i feel at some point there's

00:59:29.420 --> 00:59:32.099
no way around that i'll eventually end up there

00:59:32.099 --> 00:59:35.880
and so if you don't recommend something like

00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:38.260
omachi to start with i'm wondering like what

00:59:38.260 --> 00:59:41.380
would you recommend for someone like me where

00:59:41.380 --> 00:59:43.260
should i start it's a good question for someone

00:59:43.260 --> 00:59:45.780
like you i would really recommend the base arch

00:59:45.780 --> 00:59:49.030
iso and then just install it straight up write

00:59:49.030 --> 00:59:52.110
down everything you use on your um like on your

00:59:52.110 --> 00:59:54.030
mac like write down all the tools that you use

00:59:54.030 --> 00:59:57.170
like you know whatever web browser you use whatever

00:59:57.170 --> 01:00:01.110
kind of uh you know neo vim west term like write

01:00:01.110 --> 01:00:02.849
all that stuff down like on a piece of paper

01:00:02.849 --> 01:00:05.949
maybe or like on a text file and just ask an

01:00:05.949 --> 01:00:08.710
llm hey how do i get all this stuff on arch and

01:00:08.710 --> 01:00:10.889
then it'll give you like all the package names

01:00:10.889 --> 01:00:12.969
or you can even look at the arch repo but it's

01:00:12.969 --> 01:00:14.489
not going to take as much time as you think i

01:00:14.489 --> 01:00:16.570
feel like deep loading on marky would take days

01:00:16.570 --> 01:00:19.389
whereas setting up like a decent workable arch

01:00:19.389 --> 01:00:20.969
distro for somebody even like you who's never

01:00:20.969 --> 01:00:23.929
touched it would take like a day maybe you know

01:00:23.929 --> 01:00:26.489
what i mean it's i don't know i think that just

01:00:26.489 --> 01:00:29.670
might be that's maybe that's the question that

01:00:29.670 --> 01:00:32.929
i have as well same as hendrick right like okay

01:00:32.929 --> 01:00:35.750
i installed arch um i don't know some months

01:00:35.750 --> 01:00:38.150
ago i didn't even log into the screen because

01:00:38.150 --> 01:00:40.809
someone told me that i had chosen the wrong greeter

01:00:40.809 --> 01:00:43.090
because you have a lot of options right it's

01:00:43.090 --> 01:00:46.480
not like okay and it It's not specified like

01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:49.000
in the Arch Wiki or somewhere like, okay, so

01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:51.420
if you choose this option, it means this. You

01:00:51.420 --> 01:00:53.579
can use it with this other option, with this

01:00:53.579 --> 01:00:56.699
other dependencies, whatever. So it's a lot of

01:00:56.699 --> 01:00:59.000
trial and error, right? You install it, then

01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:01.260
you realize, oh, fuck, that's not the one that

01:01:01.260 --> 01:01:04.420
I needed. I needed this other option, right?

01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:08.760
So Amarchi gives all of the options built in.

01:01:08.920 --> 01:01:11.500
Do you think it would take more time for me to

01:01:11.500 --> 01:01:15.309
de -bloat it like you said compared? to learning

01:01:15.309 --> 01:01:18.150
i i wouldn't use a marquee i would use something

01:01:18.150 --> 01:01:20.690
like manjaro linux which is like an arch fork

01:01:20.690 --> 01:01:23.050
that has like a desktop environment built into

01:01:23.050 --> 01:01:26.690
it already and then you could just use that and

01:01:26.690 --> 01:01:29.530
then go from there like it stuff like manjaro

01:01:29.530 --> 01:01:33.210
linux or arco linux or whatever or arctics arctics

01:01:33.210 --> 01:01:35.349
has like a couple isos that give you a desktop

01:01:35.349 --> 01:01:38.730
environment option endeavor os is another one

01:01:38.730 --> 01:01:40.670
that joshua belize just pointed out in the irc

01:01:41.500 --> 01:01:43.300
But I would never use a marquee because it's

01:01:43.300 --> 01:01:46.179
like somebody else's personal config files. Whereas

01:01:46.179 --> 01:01:48.800
like these other distributions, I would actually

01:01:48.800 --> 01:01:51.239
consider them distributions because they're shipping

01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:55.300
with like just very, very default programs. And

01:01:55.300 --> 01:01:57.340
you're not going to like have to worry about

01:01:57.340 --> 01:01:58.480
the problems that you're talking about where

01:01:58.480 --> 01:01:59.739
you don't have a greeter or anything like that.

01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:03.380
You could just like check out Manjaro Linux because

01:02:03.380 --> 01:02:07.059
it just it has stuff built into it. Or I mean,

01:02:07.059 --> 01:02:09.699
honestly, just give me a call. Just give me a

01:02:09.699 --> 01:02:11.559
call and I'll help you install Arch. And they'll

01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:13.599
get you sorted in like one day or less, dude.

01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:16.059
Like you don't need a distribution for it. You

01:02:16.059 --> 01:02:19.500
know what I'm saying? That makes sense. I'm not

01:02:19.500 --> 01:02:23.340
selling it on you. Dude, you really want to market,

01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:25.019
huh, man? Like it seems like it's something that

01:02:25.019 --> 01:02:26.539
you're really interested in, bro. No, no, no.

01:02:26.579 --> 01:02:28.559
I'm not interested in it, but I see it everywhere.

01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:31.699
And I'm like, okay, I have done this for way

01:02:31.699 --> 01:02:34.960
too long on macOS, man. And I already spent my...

01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:38.760
workflow hours in mac os i have put hundreds

01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:41.480
of hours in all this you know not only mac os

01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:44.119
but neobim and i'm tired i'm like i don't want

01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:46.739
to deal with any of this shit anymore right um

01:02:46.739 --> 01:02:49.239
i don't want to start from scratch from scratch

01:02:49.239 --> 01:02:53.480
in linux it's like no no no no it's like if i

01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:56.139
would switch over to emacs right now it would

01:02:56.139 --> 01:02:58.900
be a pain man it would be too painful it would

01:02:58.900 --> 01:03:01.079
be too much right because i'll tell you this

01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:02.880
i'll tell you this it's going to be more painful

01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:06.539
to go to oh whatever it's called the old word

01:03:06.539 --> 01:03:09.539
and then de -bloat it and get kanata up and running

01:03:09.539 --> 01:03:12.320
on all that oh whatever crap than it is to just

01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:14.320
go from arch default and get everything set up

01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:17.000
or go to manjaro linux or go to arco linux or

01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:20.400
even go to my uncle's distribution dt os go straight

01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:23.840
to his os and like it's all going to be hard

01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:25.480
for you because you have such a unique setup

01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:28.579
with kanata and you have uh you buy all this

01:03:28.579 --> 01:03:31.380
kind of other you've got raycast i think which

01:03:31.380 --> 01:03:34.199
we're going to get into later um i don't know

01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:36.360
that was a smear but yeah i think it's just my

01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:38.099
point is it's just going to be a lot more work

01:03:38.099 --> 01:03:40.360
than need than needed like i think you're viewing

01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:42.980
it as like maybe a potential friction reducer

01:03:42.980 --> 01:03:45.840
but i think it's a friction increaser so you

01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:49.440
know i i don't know um in my mind like i can't

01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:51.599
see this situation ever helping somebody's workflow

01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:53.639
i think it's always just going to make it harder

01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:55.559
and worse because it's, like I said, I keep saying

01:03:55.559 --> 01:03:57.340
it as a joke, but it's just somebody else's dot

01:03:57.340 --> 01:04:00.280
files. I don't know. Imagine if I took your dot

01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:01.940
files and put them on my computer and said, here's

01:04:01.940 --> 01:04:04.300
my new distro. And I don't even know, I have

01:04:04.300 --> 01:04:06.639
to hold S for like four seconds or three seconds

01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:08.820
or two. I don't remember. Is it, that opens a

01:04:08.820 --> 01:04:10.679
new kind of thing? Like, what am I, where's my

01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:12.840
D menu? I don't have D menu. I've got something

01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:15.699
else, some proprietary garbage. And it changes

01:04:15.699 --> 01:04:18.300
every single day. And I've, yeah, no, that's

01:04:18.300 --> 01:04:19.599
not going to happen, man. I'm not doing that.

01:04:19.659 --> 01:04:22.599
So that's what you're describing to me. know

01:04:22.599 --> 01:04:26.519
what i'm saying but but tony i mean just to see

01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:30.579
one example and learn from look i'm a fan of

01:04:30.579 --> 01:04:32.760
learning from someone who has done it before

01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:35.340
and who's kind of an expert at the field and

01:04:35.340 --> 01:04:39.119
i feel like with omachi i would get at least

01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:41.880
some best practices someone has kind of figured

01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:43.760
it out maybe i don't like a lot of things but

01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:46.820
at least i see once how it can be done and then

01:04:46.820 --> 01:04:49.449
i can later pick the best parts and throw away

01:04:49.449 --> 01:04:52.110
what I don't need. For example, when I was learning

01:04:52.110 --> 01:04:55.110
NewVim and started with LazyVim and AstroVim,

01:04:55.309 --> 01:04:58.130
I mean, at the end I built my own config, but

01:04:58.130 --> 01:05:00.489
at least there were some sensible keybinds and

01:05:00.489 --> 01:05:04.989
stuff. And when I learned it, I didn't even know

01:05:04.989 --> 01:05:08.250
that some of these keybinds, I would have no

01:05:08.250 --> 01:05:10.530
idea where to place some custom keybinds because

01:05:10.530 --> 01:05:13.170
I wouldn't even know that they don't conflict.

01:05:13.739 --> 01:05:16.239
with a built -in keybinds because i was just

01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:17.960
a total noob and i didn't know anything about

01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:21.860
neovim so but just that and having like a pre

01:05:21.860 --> 01:05:25.579
-built set that has sensible keybinds at least

01:05:25.579 --> 01:05:27.719
will tell me okay this is something that i can

01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:30.039
use then maybe later i can set up something else

01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:32.679
or whatever but at least they're sensible because

01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:34.840
do you think they're sensible keybinds because

01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:38.139
it's dhh that made it or do you think no is that

01:05:38.139 --> 01:05:44.030
way no just because they I mean, because DHH

01:05:44.030 --> 01:05:49.170
is beautiful. Yeah, quote me on that. Well, because

01:05:49.170 --> 01:05:51.489
what I'm saying is if you install DHH, if you

01:05:51.489 --> 01:05:53.690
install a marquee or whatever it's called today,

01:05:53.849 --> 01:05:55.929
your NeoVim config, you're going to have to,

01:05:55.929 --> 01:05:58.909
you're going to have to remrf, you know, whatever.

01:05:59.030 --> 01:06:00.929
So local nvim, whatever, and then get clone your

01:06:00.929 --> 01:06:03.849
nvim. And then, you know, that's one aspect of

01:06:03.849 --> 01:06:06.710
it. But I feel like there's not much to configure,

01:06:06.829 --> 01:06:08.550
like as far as the workspace management stuff.

01:06:09.759 --> 01:06:11.360
Because you're not using Yabai, right? You're

01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:14.579
just using the default macOS workspaces, or no?

01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:19.179
No, I'm using Karabiner Elements. Like a custom

01:06:19.179 --> 01:06:22.280
window management solution. So you already have

01:06:22.280 --> 01:06:24.300
your finger on the pulse for what binds work

01:06:24.300 --> 01:06:26.300
for you, right? Like switching between workspaces

01:06:26.300 --> 01:06:29.760
and stuff? Yes. I mean, specifically regarding

01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:31.360
the keybinds, I was more referring to NeoVim.

01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:34.059
For example, I don't know. In AstroVim, you open

01:06:34.059 --> 01:06:38.239
File Explorer with leader E. That's kind of what

01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:40.559
I stuck to until this day because, well, yeah,

01:06:40.739 --> 01:06:43.380
it kind of makes sense, right? I adopted it from

01:06:43.380 --> 01:06:49.139
Astro. And back then, not knowing anything, I

01:06:49.139 --> 01:06:51.659
would think, okay, where do I put my File Explorer

01:06:51.659 --> 01:06:55.159
shortcut? Like, should it be Control -E? Should

01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:58.019
it be Control -T? I don't know, whatever. And

01:06:58.019 --> 01:07:01.079
this just gives me one idea and one best practice

01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:03.900
that seems to work for a lot of people. And if

01:07:03.900 --> 01:07:06.059
I don't know any better, then I can just take

01:07:06.059 --> 01:07:09.070
that, you know? maybe it's the same with omaki

01:07:09.070 --> 01:07:12.469
in some ways i would agree with your id with

01:07:12.469 --> 01:07:15.110
your idea but i've looked at like the key binds

01:07:15.110 --> 01:07:18.210
for the omarki and it's just his personal preference

01:07:18.210 --> 01:07:20.349
i understand that like some person's personal

01:07:20.349 --> 01:07:22.289
preference might be better than like the average

01:07:22.289 --> 01:07:23.909
person off the street because they maybe they

01:07:23.909 --> 01:07:25.750
spent hours and years developing and stuff but

01:07:25.750 --> 01:07:28.690
like let's take renee for example like i don't

01:07:28.690 --> 01:07:30.489
want to do his i don't want to use comic sans

01:07:30.489 --> 01:07:32.130
just because he's a kernel developer you know

01:07:32.130 --> 01:07:35.309
what i mean like i i don't want his preferences

01:07:35.309 --> 01:07:38.900
like in my in my dot files so i'm just like i

01:07:38.900 --> 01:07:40.159
get what you're saying and i see we're trying

01:07:40.159 --> 01:07:41.980
to be charitable but i think for you personally

01:07:41.980 --> 01:07:44.420
since you have everything already dialed there's

01:07:44.420 --> 01:07:46.300
not actually much for you to configure i know

01:07:46.300 --> 01:07:49.500
that sounds crazy but like it seems like it would

01:07:49.500 --> 01:07:52.659
be faster for you to just install your dot file

01:07:52.659 --> 01:07:54.760
because you have dot files you have nvim you

01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:57.500
know you have tmux dot files like you have already

01:07:57.500 --> 01:08:00.059
have a bunch of dot files so it's like you just

01:08:00.059 --> 01:08:03.460
install that stuff and then Go from there. You

01:08:03.460 --> 01:08:04.900
know what I mean? I guess you could start with

01:08:04.900 --> 01:08:06.960
Omarki and then de -bloat it. Actually, I would

01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:08.659
be kind of curious. I would like to see maybe

01:08:08.659 --> 01:08:11.559
one day if we could sit down. How de -bloatable

01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:14.480
it is. And see how long it takes to de -bloat

01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:17.600
it, yeah. That would be a nice video. Because,

01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:22.600
okay, I watched DistroTube's video on Omarki.

01:08:23.140 --> 01:08:26.119
Nobody knows how it's pronounced, not even DHH.

01:08:26.420 --> 01:08:30.600
But I watched this video on the keybinds. You

01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:33.880
bring up the menu. I didn't like them. I hated

01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:36.100
them. So I have my key binds already. You know,

01:08:36.100 --> 01:08:38.659
if I want to go to an app, I already know how

01:08:38.659 --> 01:08:41.119
to go to my browser, my terminal, how to go to

01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:43.979
YouTube, how to go to chat GPT, how to, I already

01:08:43.979 --> 01:08:47.039
know. And I will want to have the exact same

01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:50.239
key maps in a Marchi. I'm not going to use, what

01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:53.000
does it use as the keyboard mapping solution?

01:08:53.220 --> 01:08:55.500
Is it the window manager? I assume that's it,

01:08:55.520 --> 01:08:57.319
right? Hyperland controls all that stuff. Yeah.

01:08:57.380 --> 01:08:59.760
Okay. I don't want that. I want to control that

01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:01.840
in Kanata. So I'm going to install it on top

01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:04.659
of Marchi and just delete all the key maps in

01:09:04.659 --> 01:09:10.279
there. Is that possible? Yeah, it is. It is possible.

01:09:10.359 --> 01:09:12.100
You just have to remove all the keybinds from

01:09:12.100 --> 01:09:16.199
the config file. What would be the point? I mean,

01:09:16.220 --> 01:09:19.739
just migrating for the sake of migrating? It

01:09:19.739 --> 01:09:22.520
seems that it's stable as well. What do you mean

01:09:22.520 --> 01:09:26.979
stable? That was for Tony directly. I was going

01:09:26.979 --> 01:09:27.720
to ask you. What the hell are you talking about?

01:09:27.859 --> 01:09:30.319
What do you mean, is it stable? That it seems

01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:34.760
that it runs pretty neat on hardware. Well, I'm

01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:36.520
not going to get old hardware or anything like

01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:38.039
that. It's going to run. It doesn't matter what

01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:40.560
destroy run. It's going to run properly. Okay.

01:09:41.239 --> 01:09:44.239
I wish it was proprietary because then I could

01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:46.100
hate on it more. You know what I'm saying? I

01:09:46.100 --> 01:09:52.479
almost said it's proprietary. It's just garbage.

01:09:52.579 --> 01:09:54.399
It's not proprietary garbage. It's just garbage.

01:09:55.039 --> 01:09:56.920
It's just garbage. There it is. It's a garbage

01:09:56.920 --> 01:09:59.539
wrapper for an Arch install. That's all it is.

01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:01.920
It's a glorified Arch install, which takes, for

01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:04.479
me, it takes four minutes. For anybody who wants

01:10:04.479 --> 01:10:06.840
to install Arch with a script, they can already

01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:08.939
do that. If you want to watch my video, you can.

01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:11.060
It'll take you 10 minutes to install Arch. And

01:10:11.060 --> 01:10:14.119
then it installs like 100 programs. And then

01:10:14.119 --> 01:10:16.159
it has these defaults that are not saying they're

01:10:16.159 --> 01:10:18.220
somebody else's. it's like going out with somebody

01:10:18.220 --> 01:10:20.840
else's wife like what are you doing so you got

01:10:20.840 --> 01:10:22.880
all this stuff on top of already something that's

01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:25.420
is there's no dude it's just to me there's no

01:10:25.420 --> 01:10:27.319
point honestly i can't in good faith recommend

01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:29.340
it to anybody so if you're somebody who wants

01:10:29.340 --> 01:10:32.100
to learn arch linux and you're afraid of like

01:10:32.100 --> 01:10:34.119
looking at a scary terminal and having nothing

01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:37.760
there just download manjaro linux endeavor os

01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:40.100
one of these already existing things that's not

01:10:40.100 --> 01:10:43.560
being astroturfed by basecamp or whatever company

01:10:44.390 --> 01:10:46.949
this this guy this is this this guy works for

01:10:46.949 --> 01:10:48.670
you know what i'm saying but if you're if you're

01:10:48.670 --> 01:10:50.670
if you're and if you're you if you're linkarzu

01:10:50.670 --> 01:10:51.890
and you want to you're not going to switch to

01:10:51.890 --> 01:10:53.310
arch linux that's not going to happen that's

01:10:53.310 --> 01:10:54.569
not going to happen you're going to be debian

01:10:54.569 --> 01:10:56.449
stable right you're going to be going yeah like

01:10:56.449 --> 01:10:58.210
the king so you can't even use it mark you got

01:10:58.210 --> 01:11:00.050
to wait for you got to wait for odebian or whatever

01:11:00.050 --> 01:11:02.470
it's going to be yeah that's the thing yeah yeah

01:11:02.470 --> 01:11:05.350
yeah man but as far as henry goes like i think

01:11:05.350 --> 01:11:06.949
if you're going to switch to arch linux some

01:11:06.949 --> 01:11:10.850
at some point no you probably if anything what's

01:11:10.850 --> 01:11:13.800
that Temple OS, if anything. Exactly. See, now

01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:15.800
you're in the ballpark. See, now we're talking

01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:18.140
my language. I feel like I just ranted for a

01:11:18.140 --> 01:11:21.340
while now, but that's my whole thing. It's awesome

01:11:21.340 --> 01:11:24.300
that somebody put his dot files out there. I

01:11:24.300 --> 01:11:26.300
love that. I don't love it being showed in my

01:11:26.300 --> 01:11:28.020
face as a product. You know what I'm saying?

01:11:28.579 --> 01:11:30.739
Like, I'm not going to give LinkGarju's .files

01:11:30.739 --> 01:11:33.020
as a product. I don't have the money. It's a

01:11:33.020 --> 01:11:34.659
new distro. Well, you don't have the corporate

01:11:34.659 --> 01:11:36.460
sponsorship behind it. I don't have the money

01:11:36.460 --> 01:11:38.279
to promote them that way. And I don't have the

01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:40.819
connections because you need to have the name,

01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:42.899
right? If I wouldn't have the name and the primogen

01:11:42.899 --> 01:11:45.840
and TJ, well, TJ hasn't made any videos about

01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:49.159
Omarchi, I think. But if, you know, nicknames

01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:52.079
would support my .files, you know, they would

01:11:52.079 --> 01:11:53.460
be popular. Do you think it's suspicious that

01:11:53.460 --> 01:11:55.710
it's like... Don't you think it's suspicious,

01:11:55.850 --> 01:11:57.369
though, a little bit that it's somebody's dot

01:11:57.369 --> 01:11:59.970
files that are just like that person cares so

01:11:59.970 --> 01:12:01.890
much and he wants everyone to use his dot files?

01:12:02.050 --> 01:12:04.750
Isn't that a little bit weird to you? I don't

01:12:04.750 --> 01:12:08.250
know. I share mine. You don't know? But do you

01:12:08.250 --> 01:12:10.109
go out of your way and say, hey, and then make

01:12:10.109 --> 01:12:12.170
a video and then like stare at the camera like

01:12:12.170 --> 01:12:15.630
an alien and say, use my .files. You got to use

01:12:15.630 --> 01:12:17.409
my .files. It's really important to everyone

01:12:17.409 --> 01:12:19.970
in my life. You got to use my .files. Are you

01:12:19.970 --> 01:12:21.590
really going to? You see what I'm saying? Like,

01:12:21.609 --> 01:12:23.270
no, you're not doing that. You're just saying,

01:12:23.329 --> 01:12:25.050
here's my .files if you want them. Here you have

01:12:25.050 --> 01:12:26.949
them. And in fact, isn't it annoying when you

01:12:26.949 --> 01:12:28.869
do share your .files and then somebody randomly

01:12:28.869 --> 01:12:31.170
pings you and says, hey, this doesn't work for

01:12:31.170 --> 01:12:33.050
your .files and da -da -da -da -da. Like, isn't

01:12:33.050 --> 01:12:34.390
that a little bit annoying? Do you even want

01:12:34.390 --> 01:12:37.569
that bandwidth? I mean, you know what I'm saying?

01:12:38.109 --> 01:12:40.930
Yeah, you have a point there. I don't know. Like

01:12:40.930 --> 01:12:42.670
what's going on there? It's suspicious to me.

01:12:42.710 --> 01:12:45.449
Could it be that he hates Apple so much, right?

01:12:45.529 --> 01:12:48.850
Because he was like Apple, 100 % Apple. And he

01:12:48.850 --> 01:12:51.810
was like an Apple shill. Is that how you kids

01:12:51.810 --> 01:12:55.289
call it? Apple shill, right? So he was like the

01:12:55.289 --> 01:12:58.750
biggest Apple representative. out there, right?

01:12:58.850 --> 01:13:02.369
But I don't know. He had a fight with Apple because

01:13:02.369 --> 01:13:04.750
of some charges, whatever, right? So could it

01:13:04.750 --> 01:13:07.510
be possible that he hates Apple so much right

01:13:07.510 --> 01:13:09.890
now and he's excited about Linux? I don't know,

01:13:09.909 --> 01:13:13.430
man. What's going on? Can you hear me? Yeah,

01:13:13.430 --> 01:13:15.310
I can hear you. Yep, we can hear you. I'm not

01:13:15.310 --> 01:13:17.250
sure if it's me or... We can hear you. Okay,

01:13:17.270 --> 01:13:20.289
but for me, everything was breaking up. Oh, okay,

01:13:20.369 --> 01:13:23.550
okay. Can you hear us right now, Hendrik, or

01:13:23.550 --> 01:13:26.949
no? Yeah, you're coming back on. Okay. Yep. Okay.

01:13:27.949 --> 01:13:31.210
so basically uh linkars who asked you i guess

01:13:31.210 --> 01:13:33.829
if you know anything about like why what do you

01:13:33.829 --> 01:13:36.689
think the reason is for why he's so aggressively

01:13:36.689 --> 01:13:39.149
pushing this on people or if or maybe i'm wrong

01:13:39.149 --> 01:13:40.970
maybe he's not maybe it just happens to be a

01:13:40.970 --> 01:13:42.989
coincidence that every video is about omarkey

01:13:42.989 --> 01:13:45.550
and he just loves sharing his stuff else with

01:13:45.550 --> 01:13:47.029
everybody i don't know maybe he just loves doing

01:13:47.029 --> 01:13:48.550
that i haven't thought about it to be honest

01:13:48.550 --> 01:13:52.210
i don't have a conspiracy theory on that yeah

01:13:52.210 --> 01:13:57.329
yeah that's yeah um because to me to be extremely

01:13:57.329 --> 01:13:59.630
charitable let's just let's just assume 100 good

01:13:59.630 --> 01:14:01.170
faith and let's just say that this guy's very

01:14:01.170 --> 01:14:03.670
passionate about this project and he wants people

01:14:03.670 --> 01:14:05.210
to kind of check it out and say hey i want to

01:14:05.210 --> 01:14:07.170
spread my my project to everybody because i think

01:14:07.170 --> 01:14:09.310
it's pretty cool like let's just assume that

01:14:09.310 --> 01:14:12.229
that's let's say that's the best case right well

01:14:12.229 --> 01:14:14.569
okay that's cool man that's awesome like but

01:14:14.569 --> 01:14:16.649
you know me no thanks i've got my doc balls already

01:14:16.649 --> 01:14:19.229
set up but is that really the case where where

01:14:19.229 --> 01:14:21.090
you're gonna pay somebody five thousand dollars

01:14:21.090 --> 01:14:24.630
to fork chromium to make it you know a specific

01:14:24.630 --> 01:14:26.449
for your use case i mean come on is that really

01:14:26.449 --> 01:14:28.550
are you passionate about your own project so

01:14:28.550 --> 01:14:30.289
much so that you're going to pay somebody some

01:14:30.289 --> 01:14:32.369
money to fork chromium and put that into your

01:14:32.369 --> 01:14:34.649
distribution of linux that's just your dot files

01:14:34.649 --> 01:14:36.630
compiled with an install script i'm not mad i

01:14:36.630 --> 01:14:40.050
promise i'm not even mad about this i'm not imagine

01:14:40.050 --> 01:14:43.609
if you were i know it'd be crazy right it'd be

01:14:43.609 --> 01:14:45.649
crazy yeah yeah you see what i'm saying link

01:14:45.649 --> 01:14:47.590
or no you feel me or not really no no yeah yeah

01:14:47.590 --> 01:14:50.289
i get it i get it and i'm like okay i don't want

01:14:50.289 --> 01:14:52.409
to go through the pain of installing arch that's

01:14:52.409 --> 01:14:54.760
it I don't even want to install Arch, like you

01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:57.960
said, Tony. I'm going to stick to macOS because

01:14:57.960 --> 01:15:01.100
it works for me. I don't have any beef with macOS.

01:15:01.340 --> 01:15:03.979
I just want to get my job done. I want to create

01:15:03.979 --> 01:15:06.960
my videos. I want to do these live streams. macOS

01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:08.680
allows me to do that. I don't want to figure

01:15:08.680 --> 01:15:11.899
it out on Linux. It's fine. I don't have a reason

01:15:11.899 --> 01:15:14.479
to leave macOS. But if I ever do, I don't want

01:15:14.479 --> 01:15:16.800
to go through the pain of configuring and installing

01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:19.720
Arch and translating my setup into it, which

01:15:19.720 --> 01:15:21.579
I will have to do anyway. It doesn't matter if

01:15:21.579 --> 01:15:25.569
I run... vanilla arch or if i run um on marchi

01:15:25.569 --> 01:15:30.029
so if i need help i'll reach out and i'll ask

01:15:30.029 --> 01:15:32.529
you because there's a lot of questions that someone

01:15:32.529 --> 01:15:36.750
coming from mac os has moving over to linux there's

01:15:36.750 --> 01:15:38.569
a lot of questions that's a lot of stuff that

01:15:38.569 --> 01:15:40.710
you don't know right yeah but i think like this

01:15:40.710 --> 01:15:44.890
whole prop this whole concept of oh asterisk

01:15:44.890 --> 01:15:47.210
asterisk asterisk asterisk asterisk asterisk

01:15:47.210 --> 01:15:50.909
why what it is is it's it's it's an it's an iso

01:15:51.470 --> 01:15:53.909
So it technically is a distro, right? But there's

01:15:53.909 --> 01:15:55.770
something else that exists already. That's in

01:15:55.770 --> 01:15:57.970
my opinion, like a way better solution for you.

01:15:58.010 --> 01:16:01.170
And that's DTOS. You just take that. So that's

01:16:01.170 --> 01:16:04.029
somebody that's in my opinion, he's not astroturfing

01:16:04.029 --> 01:16:06.829
his, he just made it as passionately. Hey, this

01:16:06.829 --> 01:16:09.569
is my OS. People keep asking me for my dot files.

01:16:09.750 --> 01:16:12.189
Like here it is. So distro tube just made his

01:16:12.189 --> 01:16:14.369
dot files like into an OS basically. Right. Like,

01:16:14.409 --> 01:16:17.329
and, and, and it's got all of his defaults and

01:16:17.329 --> 01:16:19.890
everything. And I don't feel like that's being

01:16:19.890 --> 01:16:22.720
pushed by, you know, I don't even want to say

01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:25.399
names, but it's being pushed by like the, you

01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:26.960
know, Sylvan's girlfriends of the world. You

01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:28.539
know what I'm saying? Like, it's not, it's not

01:16:28.539 --> 01:16:30.119
somebody that you're seeing all over the place,

01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:34.859
but it's, it's DTOS. He's just passionate about

01:16:34.859 --> 01:16:36.779
his own dot files and stuff. And I think you,

01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:38.539
you already know that you already know DT, right?

01:16:38.600 --> 01:16:40.079
So you can say, Hey, like I'm going to install

01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:42.279
your operating system and I'm excited. Right.

01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:43.479
And then you can make a video and say, Hey, I

01:16:43.479 --> 01:16:45.220
installed DTOS. Like that's your buddy. You know

01:16:45.220 --> 01:16:48.119
what I mean? Like, so it's like, I would use

01:16:48.119 --> 01:16:50.000
point you to that instead because it's arch based.

01:16:50.140 --> 01:16:52.880
Right. So. That's what I would go with. Okay.

01:16:53.500 --> 01:16:58.060
Now, Hendrik, what are your thoughts on Linux

01:16:58.060 --> 01:17:03.260
as a macOS user in the long term? What are your

01:17:03.260 --> 01:17:05.899
plans? Because even if you don't know it right

01:17:05.899 --> 01:17:07.779
now unconsciously, you think about it. You know

01:17:07.779 --> 01:17:10.880
it. Don't talk crap. You know that you're going

01:17:10.880 --> 01:17:12.539
to stay on macOS or you know that eventually

01:17:12.539 --> 01:17:15.760
you're going to move to Linux, right? I think

01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:18.260
I know that I'm going to stay on macOS. I don't

01:17:18.260 --> 01:17:21.050
know. What about you? yeah i'm kind of married

01:17:21.050 --> 01:17:23.770
to mac os but i have a crush on linux kind of

01:17:23.770 --> 01:17:28.430
situation so the thing is most of my work is

01:17:28.430 --> 01:17:32.329
done well at work and at work i have a macbook

01:17:32.329 --> 01:17:35.970
so i mean i could have chosen a linux as well

01:17:35.970 --> 01:17:39.649
but everyone on my team is on mac and if i was

01:17:39.649 --> 01:17:42.789
the only linux guy it would it would make things

01:17:42.789 --> 01:17:44.930
a lot a lot harder because i'm also developing

01:17:44.930 --> 01:17:46.789
a lot of internal tools and stuff like that and

01:17:46.789 --> 01:17:50.210
i'm helping people a lot with the uh environment

01:17:50.210 --> 01:17:52.029
setup and tooling and stuff like that and it

01:17:52.029 --> 01:17:55.489
would just be even harder if i had a completely

01:17:55.489 --> 01:17:59.250
different machine and then i'm not sure if i

01:17:59.250 --> 01:18:02.470
would even have the possibility to use arch i

01:18:02.470 --> 01:18:04.890
would probably get like a ubuntu pre -installed

01:18:04.890 --> 01:18:08.109
machine or something like that so would be quite

01:18:08.109 --> 01:18:11.329
limited as well so given that most of the work

01:18:11.329 --> 01:18:13.930
that i do anyways has to be done on mac i might

01:18:13.930 --> 01:18:16.449
as well just go all in on that and optimize for

01:18:16.449 --> 01:18:18.970
it because otherwise i have my arch at home which

01:18:18.970 --> 01:18:22.369
i and the thing is like at home like my private

01:18:22.369 --> 01:18:25.069
workflows are mainly video editing at this point

01:18:25.069 --> 01:18:27.770
and i heard that getting davinci resolve to run

01:18:27.770 --> 01:18:30.810
on arch is like super hard and not straight straightforward

01:18:30.810 --> 01:18:33.949
at all and what do you have to say about that

01:18:33.949 --> 01:18:38.119
sony and then even let's say even even if that

01:18:38.119 --> 01:18:40.479
was super smooth i had like the optimal arch

01:18:40.479 --> 01:18:43.640
workflow if the key binds differ from what i

01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:46.539
have on mac which i have to use at work then

01:18:46.539 --> 01:18:49.699
i just can't build muscle memory that works universally

01:18:49.699 --> 01:18:53.199
for all the computers that i'm i'm working on

01:18:53.199 --> 01:18:57.800
so yeah i would love to use linux and get like

01:18:57.800 --> 01:18:59.560
my arch configuration going and use that everywhere

01:18:59.560 --> 01:19:03.649
but then there's also a bit of realism having

01:19:03.649 --> 01:19:06.130
to work with mac and uh and it can be quite good

01:19:06.130 --> 01:19:08.729
as well i mean maybe not as smooth a buttery

01:19:08.729 --> 01:19:12.350
smooth and perfect but it can be quite decent

01:19:12.350 --> 01:19:15.210
yeah it's a good point right you want to remove

01:19:15.210 --> 01:19:17.229
friction right you don't want to increase it

01:19:17.229 --> 01:19:18.930
like you've got a lot of stuff going on in your

01:19:18.930 --> 01:19:21.369
life and you don't want to make it harder right

01:19:21.369 --> 01:19:26.470
yeah but now unleash the beast tony what would

01:19:26.470 --> 01:19:29.739
you say to a macOS user because I'm also a macOS

01:19:29.739 --> 01:19:32.180
user and I'm on the same boat as well. I don't

01:19:32.180 --> 01:19:35.119
have a reason to stay on macOS, you know, because

01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:38.279
I had to use macOS at the previous company that

01:19:38.279 --> 01:19:40.960
I was in right now. In the current company, I

01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:43.520
don't. I'm using Windows there. That sucks, man.

01:19:43.659 --> 01:19:46.539
That's horrible. But I don't have a reason to

01:19:46.539 --> 01:19:48.640
stay on macOS, but I decided to stay on macOS

01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:51.819
because I just got used to it and I can customize

01:19:51.819 --> 01:19:54.380
it pretty well. You know, if I see that you guys

01:19:54.380 --> 01:19:57.710
on Linux do something, and I feel inspired by

01:19:57.710 --> 01:19:59.890
it, and it makes sense, I'm like, okay, I'm going

01:19:59.890 --> 01:20:03.050
to do it on macOS. But if it's like a scrolling

01:20:03.050 --> 01:20:05.989
window manager, I'm like, nah. You already have

01:20:05.989 --> 01:20:08.689
that built into the kit on macOS. Yeah, kind

01:20:08.689 --> 01:20:12.590
of, with the spaces and all that stuff. But I

01:20:12.590 --> 01:20:14.989
grab inspiration from Linux. And I guess that

01:20:14.989 --> 01:20:18.710
a lot of... Yeah, by creator. That was like the

01:20:18.710 --> 01:20:21.729
first window manager on macOS, I think. He definitely

01:20:21.729 --> 01:20:24.149
comes from Linux. You cannot get that knowledge

01:20:24.149 --> 01:20:27.449
out of nowhere, right? So I guess there's a lot

01:20:27.449 --> 01:20:31.210
of cross, I don't know, platform inspiration

01:20:31.210 --> 01:20:34.409
going on between macOS and Linux. But what do

01:20:34.409 --> 01:20:36.670
you think about macOS? What would you say to

01:20:36.670 --> 01:20:38.989
a macOS user, Tony? Yeah, so that's the thing.

01:20:38.989 --> 01:20:41.810
I don't actually care what people do with their

01:20:41.810 --> 01:20:44.090
own... like here's my thing if you're on mac

01:20:44.090 --> 01:20:46.390
os and you make and it works for you like i think

01:20:46.390 --> 01:20:47.989
that's good you know keep keep doing your thing

01:20:47.989 --> 01:20:51.689
just my problem with it is that not only is it

01:20:51.689 --> 01:20:55.329
proprietary garbage the issue is that the firmware

01:20:55.329 --> 01:20:57.829
is proprietary firmware garbage too is to a point

01:20:57.829 --> 01:21:01.329
where it's planned obsolescence to a point where

01:21:01.329 --> 01:21:04.170
you're going to have to upgrade your laptop every

01:21:04.170 --> 01:21:08.720
couple years because whatever new usb type c14

01:21:08.720 --> 01:21:11.399
is is now the new thing or whatever you can't

01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:12.979
charge it or whatever or the battery all of a

01:21:12.979 --> 01:21:15.180
sudden like just randomly dies exactly two years

01:21:15.180 --> 01:21:17.380
after you buy it and then you go to the you know

01:21:17.380 --> 01:21:18.979
that mac store and they say oh well actually

01:21:18.979 --> 01:21:20.739
you can't just replace it we got to just buy

01:21:20.739 --> 01:21:23.079
a new get a buy a whole new laptop or whatever

01:21:23.079 --> 01:21:26.420
right and it's not just apple that's doing this

01:21:26.420 --> 01:21:29.060
i told you this in our interview like thinkpads

01:21:29.060 --> 01:21:31.180
are doing this too now basically all these laptop

01:21:31.180 --> 01:21:33.680
companies are taking it uh inspiration from the

01:21:33.680 --> 01:21:36.739
apple pro products uh planned obsolescence business

01:21:36.739 --> 01:21:38.380
strategy because it's a good business strategy

01:21:38.380 --> 01:21:41.279
but it's just terrible for the users so i i don't

01:21:41.279 --> 01:21:44.520
know it's like i like to use old old hardware

01:21:44.520 --> 01:21:46.819
you know like like older older laptops because

01:21:46.819 --> 01:21:49.539
you can just buy a battery from like ebay on

01:21:49.539 --> 01:21:51.600
it if the battery breaks for like 10 bucks and

01:21:51.600 --> 01:21:54.180
you put it into your laptop you can upgrade the

01:21:54.180 --> 01:21:56.399
ram and stuff like you cannot do that on a macbook

01:21:56.399 --> 01:21:59.260
you cannot do that on even a newer thinkpad so

01:21:59.260 --> 01:22:01.479
just that alone i wouldn't i wouldn't use that

01:22:02.100 --> 01:22:04.359
or like recommend people use it but if they already

01:22:04.359 --> 01:22:06.220
have like a macbook and stuff i'm not going to

01:22:06.220 --> 01:22:07.680
think less of them or judge them or anything

01:22:07.680 --> 01:22:09.319
like that i'm not i'm actually a pretty nice

01:22:09.319 --> 01:22:11.699
guy man i don't know why you say unleash the

01:22:11.699 --> 01:22:14.220
beast you know i just happen to have like a little

01:22:14.220 --> 01:22:16.359
bit of uh maybe emphasis with the you know proprietary

01:22:16.359 --> 01:22:18.399
garbage stuff and you know maybe i don't like

01:22:18.399 --> 01:22:20.800
the omarkey stuff as much but if somebody wants

01:22:20.800 --> 01:22:22.659
to use omarkey that's that's all good so that's

01:22:22.659 --> 01:22:24.439
their choice and i think it's cool man totally

01:22:24.439 --> 01:22:31.350
cool okay okay cool yep um Another point that

01:22:31.350 --> 01:22:35.550
I have here is that on macOS, you know, as a

01:22:35.550 --> 01:22:39.470
macOS user, if I create a video, there's always

01:22:39.470 --> 01:22:41.970
someone in my comments that's going to be like,

01:22:42.109 --> 01:22:45.180
why don't you do that in Raycast? Right. And

01:22:45.180 --> 01:22:47.979
if it's like window management related stuff,

01:22:48.220 --> 01:22:50.619
someone in the common is going to go. But you

01:22:50.619 --> 01:22:53.760
can do that in Raycast or if it's I don't know,

01:22:53.800 --> 01:22:56.939
whatever it is. Right. Clipboard manager. But

01:22:56.939 --> 01:23:00.819
you can do that in Raycast or keyboard mapping.

01:23:01.180 --> 01:23:03.579
You know, you can do that in Raycast, but they

01:23:03.579 --> 01:23:07.539
don't understand that we are beyond Raycast.

01:23:07.760 --> 01:23:11.079
Right. Raycast is for normies. Raycast is for.

01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:15.359
And it's a cool tool for my grandma, you know,

01:23:15.380 --> 01:23:18.479
for my dad, you know, for my wife, I would install

01:23:18.479 --> 01:23:22.579
Raycast. And it's, don't get me wrong, it's a

01:23:22.579 --> 01:23:26.340
good tool. I use it, you know, I use it for a

01:23:26.340 --> 01:23:28.460
lot of different things, you know. But does it

01:23:28.460 --> 01:23:32.319
deserve the place that it has in the macOS community?

01:23:32.739 --> 01:23:34.739
If you're not a power user, you don't know any

01:23:34.739 --> 01:23:38.119
better, right? But what are your thoughts? What

01:23:38.119 --> 01:23:40.920
do you think about Raycast, Henry? have quite

01:23:40.920 --> 01:23:44.760
strong opinions on raycast honestly and i'm not

01:23:44.760 --> 01:23:48.159
a huge fan mainly because it's not very dot files

01:23:48.159 --> 01:23:51.960
friendly and it's quite bloated so the thing

01:23:51.960 --> 01:23:54.680
is it does a lot of very useful things but then

01:23:54.680 --> 01:23:58.119
it does like 99 of the things that it does i

01:23:58.119 --> 01:24:00.199
don't really need i mean it's cool that it's

01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:02.920
kind of a window manager it has some ai integration

01:24:02.920 --> 01:24:06.659
it has i like the clipboard history actually

01:24:06.659 --> 01:24:12.079
um what else does it have it has program or app

01:24:12.079 --> 01:24:14.579
launcher kind of thing up launcher yeah and a

01:24:14.579 --> 01:24:19.220
couple of others other things but i don't really

01:24:19.220 --> 01:24:23.680
need most of those things and you know it's it's

01:24:23.680 --> 01:24:26.279
as tony would say proprietary garbage right it's

01:24:26.279 --> 01:24:29.920
a it's even it's even paid software and they're

01:24:29.920 --> 01:24:33.880
trying to to push you towards the paid tier so

01:24:33.880 --> 01:24:37.930
i looked up how to back up dot files and in raycast

01:24:37.930 --> 01:24:40.189
and it's quite tricky to do there's not really

01:24:40.189 --> 01:24:44.090
uh an easy way to back up your raycast configuration

01:24:44.090 --> 01:24:47.069
and i've seen that even in the in the videos

01:24:47.069 --> 01:24:51.449
of uh josean martinez he i think is also big

01:24:51.449 --> 01:24:53.529
on raycast and he has like this one video where

01:24:53.529 --> 01:24:57.149
he says this is my forever window management

01:24:57.149 --> 01:24:59.050
workflow or something like that and part of it

01:24:59.050 --> 01:25:02.609
is raycast which is cool but then something that

01:25:02.609 --> 01:25:05.880
surprised me is that when very counter to what

01:25:05.880 --> 01:25:08.979
he's usually doing is that he configured raycast

01:25:08.979 --> 01:25:14.460
just by clicking in the gui and i thought that's

01:25:14.460 --> 01:25:16.739
not very dot files friendly not very easy to

01:25:16.739 --> 01:25:20.279
replicate and i believe the reason that it's

01:25:20.279 --> 01:25:22.260
not very dot files friendly is that they actually

01:25:22.260 --> 01:25:26.319
have this paid tier where who's that we just

01:25:26.319 --> 01:25:30.649
got an upgrade boys come join me on irc yo um

01:25:30.649 --> 01:25:33.989
join me on irc all right this guy here he's for

01:25:33.989 --> 01:25:35.909
whatever reason i can only hear him on my left

01:25:35.909 --> 01:25:38.689
ear at all times i don't know what that's about

01:25:38.689 --> 01:25:40.810
but i like it but keep going henry pretend like

01:25:40.810 --> 01:25:44.630
this didn't just happen okay i'm super confused

01:25:44.630 --> 01:25:53.369
so this guy joining raycast is not very dot files

01:25:53.369 --> 01:25:57.430
friendly and if you want to sync raycast or your

01:25:57.430 --> 01:26:00.890
raycast config That's part of the pro tier. So

01:26:00.890 --> 01:26:04.909
they kind of make it hard to back up your dot

01:26:04.909 --> 01:26:07.409
files on purpose, I feel like, to push you on

01:26:07.409 --> 01:26:10.789
the pro tier, which I don't really buy. I think

01:26:10.789 --> 01:26:13.689
you can get most of the features and the stuff

01:26:13.689 --> 01:26:15.989
that you really need from better free and open

01:26:15.989 --> 01:26:18.470
source tools. Right on, dude. See, that's what

01:26:18.470 --> 01:26:20.489
I'm saying. That's a champion of FOSS right there,

01:26:20.529 --> 01:26:22.649
man. He's trying to decentralize everything and

01:26:22.649 --> 01:26:25.500
he's trying to kind of do it himself, DIY. And

01:26:25.500 --> 01:26:27.340
that's all, that's what I'm all for. So come

01:26:27.340 --> 01:26:29.239
join me in IRC is like the movement we need to

01:26:29.239 --> 01:26:31.180
be pushing right there. Like for people that

01:26:31.180 --> 01:26:33.279
tell you the Raycast stuff and we'll get into

01:26:33.279 --> 01:26:35.619
introducing Joshua in a second here, but for

01:26:35.619 --> 01:26:37.539
the stuff that the Raycast comments, I'm kind

01:26:37.539 --> 01:26:39.460
of curious, do you think they're paid people

01:26:39.460 --> 01:26:41.579
to tell you that like in the comments, like literally,

01:26:41.699 --> 01:26:43.260
like when they say, can you do this on Raycast

01:26:43.260 --> 01:26:45.180
on all your videos? Do you think that's somebody

01:26:45.180 --> 01:26:47.319
being paid by the Raycast company, like asking

01:26:47.319 --> 01:26:50.020
you to convert to Raycast? Oh, that would be

01:26:50.020 --> 01:26:54.979
a big brain move if they did that. So. you wouldn't

01:26:54.979 --> 01:26:59.720
recommend raycast then hendrick no i well at

01:26:59.720 --> 01:27:01.960
least not for my workflow i do think the clipboard

01:27:01.960 --> 01:27:04.119
history especially is a cool feature but i'm

01:27:04.119 --> 01:27:06.680
sure there are other tools free and open source

01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:09.619
tools out there just for that use case or for

01:27:09.619 --> 01:27:12.420
example for the window management or the i don't

01:27:12.420 --> 01:27:14.300
know if it's window management it's just resizing

01:27:14.300 --> 01:27:16.899
of windows i just use rectangle which is like

01:27:16.899 --> 01:27:18.899
the super simple utility that is just designed

01:27:18.899 --> 01:27:22.970
for that purpose and you know in carabiner elements

01:27:22.970 --> 01:27:26.470
which is a tool to remap your keyboard which

01:27:26.470 --> 01:27:29.310
i anyways use i just combine that with rectangle

01:27:29.310 --> 01:27:31.810
and i have kind of one layer that allows me to

01:27:31.810 --> 01:27:34.250
resize windows and another layer to switch between

01:27:34.250 --> 01:27:37.670
apps and that works perfectly fine and then i

01:27:37.670 --> 01:27:40.630
don't need that feature from raycast just the

01:27:40.630 --> 01:27:44.210
window resizing and then get all the other bloat

01:27:44.210 --> 01:27:46.369
that comes with it and the ai features and the

01:27:46.369 --> 01:27:48.729
they trying to chill the the pro tier and all

01:27:48.729 --> 01:27:51.529
that I don't really feel that's necessary. Yeah.

01:27:51.989 --> 01:27:54.689
Someone sold us on Raycast and I don't remember

01:27:54.689 --> 01:27:57.350
who it was and it happened a long time ago. I'm

01:27:57.350 --> 01:27:58.829
wondering how far you're going to go without

01:27:58.829 --> 01:28:02.130
introducing Joshua. What are you going to introduce?

01:28:02.130 --> 01:28:06.689
I'm just going to let that sit, dude. Okay. You're

01:28:06.689 --> 01:28:09.789
just going. Let's pause for a little while. Let's

01:28:09.789 --> 01:28:14.229
pause for a little while. Hey, Joshua. You know

01:28:14.229 --> 01:28:17.949
Joshua, Henry? Yes, from one of your videos.

01:28:19.170 --> 01:28:21.689
Yeah, he has showed up in several of my videos

01:28:21.689 --> 01:28:25.170
in the new event versus Emax video. Then he talked

01:28:25.170 --> 01:28:27.390
to me about Emax. We did two of those, right,

01:28:27.489 --> 01:28:31.329
Joshua? Yes. We've been in a lot of different

01:28:31.329 --> 01:28:33.470
videos. For people that don't know who Joshua

01:28:33.470 --> 01:28:35.829
is, here's the channel. Just go and subscribe.

01:28:36.250 --> 01:28:38.850
You know, what is it? Emax? He's on the other

01:28:38.850 --> 01:28:42.649
side. I'm sorry, guys. Emax and Nyx. God damn.

01:28:42.930 --> 01:28:46.609
What else? They're going to come after you. IRC.

01:28:48.590 --> 01:28:53.090
Come and join me on IRC. I love that video, man.

01:28:53.170 --> 01:28:54.970
I don't even know where it came from, but I was

01:28:54.970 --> 01:28:57.130
like, just look at the camera and say, join me

01:28:57.130 --> 01:29:03.029
on IRC. Yeah. Crazy. Crazy, man. But we were

01:29:03.029 --> 01:29:05.869
talking right now. Oh, yeah. We were talking

01:29:05.869 --> 01:29:08.189
about Raycast. I don't think you know what that

01:29:08.189 --> 01:29:11.250
is, Josh. I do, because my girlfriend has a Mac.

01:29:11.989 --> 01:29:15.640
Oh, based. It's like a... it's like a discount

01:29:15.640 --> 01:29:20.260
version of d menu but it's a budget but it's

01:29:20.260 --> 01:29:22.000
a budget d menu i don't even want to give it

01:29:22.000 --> 01:29:24.880
that title i would say it's not even a budget

01:29:24.880 --> 01:29:27.119
d menu it's a budget let's see what is it a budget

01:29:27.119 --> 01:29:29.060
it's a budget windows key when you're on the

01:29:29.060 --> 01:29:32.920
windows machine you press windows what are your

01:29:32.920 --> 01:29:36.539
thoughts on raycast joshua i i see what they're

01:29:36.539 --> 01:29:40.479
trying to do um the fact that like you have to

01:29:40.479 --> 01:29:43.800
pay to like that being said before i start with

01:29:43.800 --> 01:29:46.539
that There are some pretty decent features that

01:29:46.539 --> 01:29:49.239
are like default with it. So I'll give them that.

01:29:49.460 --> 01:29:51.159
But I mean, at the end of the day, it's proprietary

01:29:51.159 --> 01:29:54.000
garbage in the words of the guy above me. So.

01:29:54.100 --> 01:29:57.020
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Henry also said that too. So

01:29:57.020 --> 01:30:01.199
it wasn't just me. Yeah. Popularizing it. Yeah.

01:30:01.260 --> 01:30:04.359
I mean, Alfred, wasn't Alfred a thing before?

01:30:05.560 --> 01:30:09.039
Alfred is the other one. Yep. Yeah. What's Alfred?

01:30:09.100 --> 01:30:12.539
I heard that before. Yeah, it's just an app switcher

01:30:12.539 --> 01:30:15.279
as well, Henry, but it looks old. It actually

01:30:15.279 --> 01:30:18.800
was invented in the 80s. I don't know when, but

01:30:18.800 --> 01:30:21.359
it looks old and horrible. But a lot of people

01:30:21.359 --> 01:30:24.960
use Alfred because it was what was before of

01:30:24.960 --> 01:30:27.720
Raycast, actually. But it's also a paid application

01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:32.420
switcher, and it has a lot of built -in features.

01:30:34.039 --> 01:30:37.020
Raycast, but older. It was before Raycast, actually.

01:30:37.770 --> 01:30:40.130
man i'll say about mac they want to charge you

01:30:40.130 --> 01:30:42.510
five dollars for a widget in your in your toolbar

01:30:42.510 --> 01:30:45.130
like i just don't get it man it's not only that

01:30:45.130 --> 01:30:46.989
but you're gonna have to probably upload a picture

01:30:46.989 --> 01:30:49.449
of your government id to download raycast at

01:30:49.449 --> 01:30:51.529
some point and that's why i think you guys should

01:30:51.529 --> 01:30:55.810
just come join me on irc it could be man we don't

01:30:55.810 --> 01:30:58.270
know when but where where all of this is gonna

01:30:58.270 --> 01:31:02.729
end but yeah real quick yeah yeah yes please

01:31:02.729 --> 01:31:07.470
ready yeah how do i do it there ah yeah looking

01:31:07.470 --> 01:31:11.630
at your screen yeah so this is the raycast website

01:31:11.630 --> 01:31:15.090
right and this is where they showcase one of

01:31:15.090 --> 01:31:19.350
the ai features and i mean just by this showcase

01:31:19.350 --> 01:31:21.329
i mean you can sort of tell who this is designed

01:31:21.329 --> 01:31:24.229
for right like the type of person who would ask

01:31:24.229 --> 01:31:27.909
an ai how to exit him and i don't know i mean

01:31:27.909 --> 01:31:30.930
this is cool but i don't really need that right

01:31:30.930 --> 01:31:34.649
now I love the way you're like, look, this is

01:31:34.649 --> 01:31:36.229
the perfect example, right? Look at their target

01:31:36.229 --> 01:31:39.270
audience. This is either a joke or literally

01:31:39.270 --> 01:31:41.270
this is their target audience of people who don't

01:31:41.270 --> 01:31:44.329
know how to exit Vim. You know what I mean? It's

01:31:44.329 --> 01:31:46.590
actually pretty impressive. Yeah. But another

01:31:46.590 --> 01:31:48.810
way to exit Vim is literally just don't use Vim.

01:31:49.289 --> 01:31:56.289
Yeah. Just use Emacs. Yeah. Yeah. But, okay.

01:31:56.510 --> 01:31:58.050
But no, I know what you mean. When you can see

01:31:58.050 --> 01:31:59.850
on like the target audience and you can see this

01:31:59.850 --> 01:32:02.229
kind of like. You can see some of the stuff and

01:32:02.229 --> 01:32:04.470
you like yeah, it's not that's how I feel about

01:32:04.470 --> 01:32:06.329
the O word, right? I know we were talking about

01:32:06.329 --> 01:32:09.149
it. Like I don't even need that. Yeah, exactly

01:32:09.149 --> 01:32:16.329
like Voldemort's OS or whatever like You guys

01:32:16.329 --> 01:32:18.949
want me canceled before IV and before I even

01:32:18.949 --> 01:32:23.630
make it man, this is on my channel No, but it's

01:32:23.630 --> 01:32:26.260
good. It's good. I want this to be honest and

01:32:26.260 --> 01:32:28.739
yeah just being straight up yeah no i just think

01:32:28.739 --> 01:32:30.819
like uh as he was saying like i don't know actually

01:32:30.819 --> 01:32:33.260
josh i'm kind of curious what do you think about

01:32:33.260 --> 01:32:35.060
the o word i know you're seeing a lot of it you

01:32:35.060 --> 01:32:36.819
can't really ignore it but what do you i mean

01:32:36.819 --> 01:32:38.899
i already know i'm just gonna do a video on it

01:32:38.899 --> 01:32:43.640
okay just kidding he says just kidding i love

01:32:43.640 --> 01:32:46.640
it do you think there's a bitcoin miner hiding

01:32:46.640 --> 01:32:49.300
somewhere in one of those dot files yeah i mean

01:32:49.300 --> 01:32:52.939
i've seen so many people make videos about it

01:32:52.939 --> 01:32:55.239
and i'm like because like people are making arguments

01:32:55.239 --> 01:33:00.159
like oh like the hotkey setup is so like opinionated

01:33:00.159 --> 01:33:02.020
and i'm like well it's hyperlink you can literally

01:33:02.020 --> 01:33:04.140
go into the dot files and change it in two seconds

01:33:04.140 --> 01:33:06.159
like what are you talking about it's opinionated

01:33:06.159 --> 01:33:08.899
like you can go change anything in it right i

01:33:08.899 --> 01:33:10.659
think it's a good introduction to linux for people

01:33:10.659 --> 01:33:12.479
that have never used linux before so i'll get

01:33:12.479 --> 01:33:15.100
i'll i'll hand that one to them on a silver platter

01:33:15.100 --> 01:33:20.100
but i uh i mean part of the fun and the involvement

01:33:20.100 --> 01:33:23.039
of linux is trying to install arch linux for

01:33:23.039 --> 01:33:25.359
here comes the next day and a half here comes

01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:28.600
the next bill and then moving over to nix os

01:33:28.600 --> 01:33:34.579
because it just solves all of your entire i mean

01:33:34.579 --> 01:33:36.140
you're not gonna get any pushback from me on

01:33:36.140 --> 01:33:39.600
that one right no i i mean i think you guys touched

01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:42.340
on it but like part of the love of linux is that

01:33:42.340 --> 01:33:44.619
like it's the struggle to get things working

01:33:44.619 --> 01:33:47.960
and to make it into everything that you want

01:33:47.960 --> 01:33:52.960
it to be right and if it's handed to you on a

01:33:52.960 --> 01:33:55.199
silver platter then it's just windows or mac

01:33:55.199 --> 01:33:58.359
right and then how does that make your life any

01:33:58.359 --> 01:34:01.159
better okay maybe you've broken free from the

01:34:01.159 --> 01:34:05.039
constraints of those two ecosystems but you don't

01:34:05.039 --> 01:34:06.880
know how to do anything else so you don't know

01:34:06.880 --> 01:34:08.439
how to customize things you don't want to change

01:34:08.439 --> 01:34:11.619
anything about it um and i mean most of the bloatware

01:34:11.619 --> 01:34:16.840
on that thing is already questionable to me yeah

01:34:16.840 --> 01:34:22.109
so vs bleep what what is that what is that doing

01:34:22.109 --> 01:34:27.270
on here yeah i love it no and i think i think

01:34:27.270 --> 01:34:29.069
especially from somebody like you who has one

01:34:29.069 --> 01:34:32.149
file that's a literate config file for their

01:34:32.149 --> 01:34:34.930
entire life pretty much outside of like touching

01:34:34.930 --> 01:34:37.890
grass yeah like you're not gonna want to go to

01:34:37.890 --> 01:34:39.449
use something like you've already set up your

01:34:39.449 --> 01:34:41.520
whole life in one file You know what I mean?

01:34:41.579 --> 01:34:43.659
Like, if you look at your commits on GitHub,

01:34:43.819 --> 01:34:45.460
like, you have, like, a bunch of commits every

01:34:45.460 --> 01:34:47.319
single day. I know that's got to be, like, to

01:34:47.319 --> 01:34:49.380
-do notes that are just, like, a one -click on

01:34:49.380 --> 01:34:51.960
a keybind with GNU Emacs. There's no way you

01:34:51.960 --> 01:34:54.260
actually get committing. Just read me. Just read

01:34:54.260 --> 01:34:57.600
me changes. Exactly. Read me changes. Documentation.

01:34:58.020 --> 01:35:01.000
You don't need a district. I don't know. I keep

01:35:01.000 --> 01:35:02.680
hating on it for some reason because I want to

01:35:02.680 --> 01:35:03.720
hate on it. You know what I mean? Like, we need

01:35:03.720 --> 01:35:05.560
an enemy. We need a common enemy here, and that's

01:35:05.560 --> 01:35:07.239
going to be, has to be the Omarchi setup, I feel

01:35:07.239 --> 01:35:09.479
like. It's got to be. But we're finding the wrong...

01:35:09.630 --> 01:35:10.710
we're fighting the wrong battle though, right?

01:35:10.789 --> 01:35:13.289
I mean, we agree. Yeah. What's going to happen?

01:35:13.989 --> 01:35:16.670
What's going to happen when, when blaze creates

01:35:16.670 --> 01:35:20.010
his on March video or when Henry misc creates

01:35:20.010 --> 01:35:21.970
his on March video, what's going to happen there

01:35:21.970 --> 01:35:28.069
is the relationship over Tony. Um, no, man, I

01:35:28.069 --> 01:35:29.550
think cause you guys are awesome. You guys are

01:35:29.550 --> 01:35:31.829
great people. So I think what will happen is

01:35:31.829 --> 01:35:39.020
you won't do that to me, right? No, I'm just

01:35:39.020 --> 01:35:41.479
kidding. If you guys make a video on the O word

01:35:41.479 --> 01:35:43.920
and I don't watch it, we just don't be offended.

01:35:44.100 --> 01:35:45.539
You know what I'm saying? I'll comment and like

01:35:45.539 --> 01:35:48.060
to get some more eyeballs on it, but I'm not

01:35:48.060 --> 01:35:50.800
going to watch it. You know what I'm saying?

01:35:51.060 --> 01:35:55.539
I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'll watch it. I'm

01:35:55.539 --> 01:35:58.159
actually curious. Do you guys have plans on making

01:35:58.159 --> 01:36:00.100
a video about this thing or not really? I guess

01:36:00.100 --> 01:36:02.560
you have a video now. Editing this video will

01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:05.100
be like in your way. You can have a clip of us

01:36:05.100 --> 01:36:07.000
talking about it, right? That'll be your video

01:36:07.000 --> 01:36:12.369
of it. Me, if I just run out of content, nah,

01:36:12.670 --> 01:36:17.210
I had my fraser with Arch already, Tony. And

01:36:17.210 --> 01:36:19.630
if I move over to Linux, it's not going to be

01:36:19.630 --> 01:36:23.630
able to play around. I am going to use the distro

01:36:23.630 --> 01:36:28.090
that men use. The king distro. The king distro.

01:36:28.149 --> 01:36:31.970
The grandpa distro. The daddy of all distros.

01:36:32.439 --> 01:36:35.880
debian just like drew does so if i move over

01:36:35.880 --> 01:36:38.479
to linux it's not gonna be to play around uh

01:36:38.479 --> 01:36:42.619
i have my thoughts on arch i don't know why i

01:36:42.619 --> 01:36:45.039
would use arch i don't understand like the purpose

01:36:45.039 --> 01:36:47.939
no i don't know i would go with debian probably

01:36:47.939 --> 01:36:52.319
omarchi i don't think so if there was an odebi

01:36:52.319 --> 01:36:55.130
would you use that Because I almost made you

01:36:55.130 --> 01:36:56.750
an Odebi, basically. Remember when we were talking

01:36:56.750 --> 01:36:58.590
about me kind of making you like a bunch of dot

01:36:58.590 --> 01:37:01.649
files? I'm waiting on that. But that's not Odebi,

01:37:01.670 --> 01:37:03.590
that's just Olinky, because that's literally

01:37:03.590 --> 01:37:05.550
all of your dot files for Debian. That's not

01:37:05.550 --> 01:37:07.409
for somebody else to ship, and then nobody could

01:37:07.409 --> 01:37:09.569
hold S for four seconds and open up a D menu

01:37:09.569 --> 01:37:14.840
or whatever. That's crazy, man. Yeah. Yeah. You

01:37:14.840 --> 01:37:18.600
got some wild opinionated. How do you hold S

01:37:18.600 --> 01:37:20.560
for three seconds and then you've got now a D

01:37:20.560 --> 01:37:23.840
menu and S and F? Damn. Yeah. Just look at this.

01:37:23.880 --> 01:37:27.779
You have to press it for the letter R, right?

01:37:27.859 --> 01:37:32.720
So if I type the R for 0 .3 milliseconds, it

01:37:32.720 --> 01:37:36.500
shows up my daily notes, right? And if I press

01:37:36.500 --> 01:37:40.319
it again, just the letter R by itself, 0 .3 milliseconds.

01:37:40.359 --> 01:37:44.319
Hold on. I did it too fast, right? In a floating

01:37:44.319 --> 01:37:49.680
window in the terminal. So mine is really opinionated.

01:37:49.800 --> 01:37:52.460
And there's people that have installed my .files

01:37:52.460 --> 01:37:56.079
and, you know, just used all of the stuff that

01:37:56.079 --> 01:37:58.239
I have. I don't understand how they do it. Because

01:37:58.239 --> 01:38:01.500
if you guys would go into my .files, it's just

01:38:01.500 --> 01:38:04.520
like a maze. It's just, I have a lot of trash

01:38:04.520 --> 01:38:07.960
in there that I don't clean up, you know, and

01:38:07.960 --> 01:38:11.199
a lot of experimental stuff that I don't delete.

01:38:11.439 --> 01:38:15.329
And it's crazy. But I don't know. Debian is what

01:38:15.329 --> 01:38:18.510
I would probably go with. What about you, Hendrik?

01:38:18.689 --> 01:38:20.489
What time is it for you, Hendrik? Do you have

01:38:20.489 --> 01:38:23.409
to drop already? Yeah, I have to drop in like

01:38:23.409 --> 01:38:26.869
10 minutes or so. For me, it's 2 a .m. I'm getting

01:38:26.869 --> 01:38:30.350
a bit tired. No, I would not make a video about

01:38:30.350 --> 01:38:33.149
Omachi, but just because it's not time for me

01:38:33.149 --> 01:38:35.890
to switch to Linux right now because I'm wondering

01:38:35.890 --> 01:38:38.210
what do I stand to gain in terms of workflow?

01:38:38.850 --> 01:38:41.250
And then potentially there's a lot to lose. I

01:38:41.250 --> 01:38:42.960
mean, I get that. what you mentioned earlier,

01:38:43.079 --> 01:38:47.600
Tony, about being independent of big tech companies

01:38:47.600 --> 01:38:51.060
and independent of plant obsolescence and that

01:38:51.060 --> 01:38:53.420
kind of stuff. And that makes a lot of sense

01:38:53.420 --> 01:38:56.560
to me and that's a good goal to aspire to. But

01:38:56.560 --> 01:39:00.439
then, yeah, I also just get a laptop from work

01:39:00.439 --> 01:39:02.939
and I also need to work with that. And then,

01:39:03.039 --> 01:39:07.079
yeah, I kind of need to optimize that as well

01:39:07.079 --> 01:39:09.460
because that's where I do most of my work anyway.

01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:12.680
So, I don't know. Maybe at some point it will

01:39:12.680 --> 01:39:14.800
be time for me to switch to Linux, but it's not

01:39:14.800 --> 01:39:16.380
time right now, so it doesn't really make sense

01:39:16.380 --> 01:39:19.619
to make a video about Omachi either. Well, because

01:39:19.619 --> 01:39:22.119
you do have a GigaChat response. Let's say your

01:39:22.119 --> 01:39:24.939
cousin or your friend drops their MacBook into

01:39:24.939 --> 01:39:27.439
a river, right? They can just use the iCloud

01:39:27.439 --> 01:39:29.760
and sync up all their stuff, and they just get

01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:31.899
a new MacBook and be fine, right? So that is

01:39:31.899 --> 01:39:33.640
the GigaChat response. You just go buy a new

01:39:33.640 --> 01:39:36.510
one, right? who cares about playing obsolescence

01:39:36.510 --> 01:39:38.569
when you just go buy a new one buy a new one

01:39:38.569 --> 01:39:40.590
because of how productive you are let's say you're

01:39:40.590 --> 01:39:42.850
a 10x on a macbook and you make like 10x the

01:39:42.850 --> 01:39:44.710
salary because you're 10x the developer just

01:39:44.710 --> 01:39:47.729
buy another one you know i mean that is part

01:39:47.729 --> 01:39:49.670
of the reason why i switched to iphone now because

01:39:49.670 --> 01:39:52.890
in in my latest video i i mentioned this story

01:39:52.890 --> 01:39:54.869
i think that's that's what i was referencing

01:39:54.869 --> 01:39:57.390
yeah yeah yeah exactly so because a friend of

01:39:57.390 --> 01:40:00.590
mine she was running and her phone her iphone

01:40:00.590 --> 01:40:02.409
fell out of her pocket on a bridge into a river

01:40:02.409 --> 01:40:06.739
and then yeah bad luck right but um she just

01:40:06.739 --> 01:40:08.520
walked into the next apple store got a new iphone

01:40:08.520 --> 01:40:10.479
and then had everything restored and was able

01:40:10.479 --> 01:40:12.699
to go about her day as usual of course it costs

01:40:12.699 --> 01:40:16.680
money that sucks but in terms of you're paying

01:40:16.680 --> 01:40:19.720
for being able to just forget about your tech

01:40:19.720 --> 01:40:22.079
you know it just works you have something that

01:40:22.079 --> 01:40:24.699
you can just use and that's at the end of the

01:40:24.699 --> 01:40:25.960
day what you're paying for and i think that's

01:40:25.960 --> 01:40:29.699
also a fine perspective as long as you can afford

01:40:29.699 --> 01:40:32.220
it and it doesn't really bother you too much

01:40:32.220 --> 01:40:37.720
yeah Now, before we let you go, Henry, how much

01:40:37.720 --> 01:40:41.079
time do you have left, Tony? I probably do like

01:40:41.079 --> 01:40:44.199
another half hour. Okay. Let's just read this

01:40:44.199 --> 01:40:48.960
super chat. Then we can talk with Joshua about

01:40:48.960 --> 01:40:51.979
Nix if you guys want or whatever other topics

01:40:51.979 --> 01:40:54.979
you guys want to touch on. IRC. We're going to

01:40:54.979 --> 01:40:57.500
talk about IRC. IRC, yeah. Oh, baby. That's a

01:40:57.500 --> 01:41:00.359
good point, actually. Pretty good point. It says

01:41:00.359 --> 01:41:02.960
here, do you guys only deliver... Develop for

01:41:02.960 --> 01:41:06.460
one platform, complaining about change or including

01:41:06.460 --> 01:41:10.899
another platform bug. You that much? Music in

01:41:10.899 --> 01:41:14.479
my time was the best. You guys understand what

01:41:14.479 --> 01:41:18.279
this means? Just one platform. I know the first

01:41:18.279 --> 01:41:20.640
part. I don't know what the last part is. About

01:41:20.640 --> 01:41:22.579
change or including. No, I don't understand the

01:41:22.579 --> 01:41:24.380
last sentence. Music in my time was the best.

01:41:24.439 --> 01:41:27.979
Is that a lyric? No, that's probably. but because

01:41:27.979 --> 01:41:30.279
the music in my time was the best like in in

01:41:30.279 --> 01:41:32.760
the 80s you know like earth wind and fire and

01:41:32.760 --> 01:41:35.640
all that stuff i guess yeah what does what what

01:41:35.640 --> 01:41:37.560
does this mean complaining he's saying like do

01:41:37.560 --> 01:41:39.380
you guys he's saying do you ever like do you

01:41:39.380 --> 01:41:41.939
develop on mac for mac all the time or do you

01:41:41.939 --> 01:41:44.159
develop on linux and mac and windows and stuff

01:41:44.159 --> 01:41:46.100
and then he's saying like complaining about changing

01:41:46.100 --> 01:41:48.699
like platforms does it really bug you that much

01:41:48.699 --> 01:41:50.760
and i think it's a pun right because he says

01:41:50.760 --> 01:41:53.039
bug like does it create bugs for you maybe it's

01:41:53.039 --> 01:41:56.449
a pun or am i overthinking it I don't know. It's

01:41:56.449 --> 01:42:01.069
deeper than we think. Gen X, what are you trying

01:42:01.069 --> 01:42:05.090
to say here? Elaborate for us. Thanks for the

01:42:05.090 --> 01:42:07.689
super chat, by the way. Really appreciate that.

01:42:08.590 --> 01:42:11.569
But what do you guys do? Do you guys develop,

01:42:11.729 --> 01:42:13.949
like you Hendrik, what do you develop for? Do

01:42:13.949 --> 01:42:17.029
you develop for macOS? Do you develop for, yeah,

01:42:17.069 --> 01:42:19.449
of course you do, right? How does that work?

01:42:19.670 --> 01:42:21.550
It doesn't really matter. Most of my work is

01:42:21.550 --> 01:42:25.319
in Python. and it runs in the cloud like it's

01:42:25.319 --> 01:42:30.260
mostly ml ops what i'm doing so yeah it doesn't

01:42:30.260 --> 01:42:32.960
really matter to be honest um like i don't produce

01:42:32.960 --> 01:42:37.560
any um software applications that are shipped

01:42:37.560 --> 01:42:40.159
to clients or something like that so as long

01:42:40.159 --> 01:42:44.000
as it runs in a lambda function or an instance

01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:46.039
or something like that in a container then it's

01:42:46.039 --> 01:42:49.819
completely fine okay you know now that i think

01:42:49.819 --> 01:42:51.659
about it henry would be the perfect candidate

01:42:51.659 --> 01:42:54.199
for a nix transfer like for all of his stuff

01:42:54.199 --> 01:42:57.079
to be nixified yeah because he just is ml ops

01:42:57.079 --> 01:42:59.680
and ml ops is very i'm not even joking it's got

01:42:59.680 --> 01:43:01.479
a good overlap with devops so i think it's like

01:43:01.479 --> 01:43:03.739
he would actually be like kind of love nixos

01:43:03.739 --> 01:43:06.279
i think it too much i think gonna be mind -blowing

01:43:06.279 --> 01:43:08.060
dude i think it would be kind of a rabbit hole

01:43:08.060 --> 01:43:10.659
that you yeah too far down yeah it's a wb thing

01:43:10.659 --> 01:43:14.420
for sure but the problem or the reason i have

01:43:14.420 --> 01:43:17.170
not really looked into nix as much is because

01:43:17.170 --> 01:43:20.010
i never really felt the pain point of like you

01:43:20.010 --> 01:43:23.430
know i'm not setting up so many machines in my

01:43:23.430 --> 01:43:25.909
life like i just have my macbook set up and that's

01:43:25.909 --> 01:43:28.710
it and i guess the main benefit of nix is that

01:43:28.710 --> 01:43:30.810
you just you're able to reproduce your environment

01:43:30.810 --> 01:43:33.310
very easily which is not something that i do

01:43:33.310 --> 01:43:35.630
very often so do you think i could still benefit

01:43:35.630 --> 01:43:38.649
from it well i think you definitely can benefit

01:43:38.649 --> 01:43:42.420
from a lot of other things about it but um you

01:43:42.420 --> 01:43:44.100
know we could tell that would be like an hour

01:43:44.100 --> 01:43:45.979
long coverage we could that's two to three hours

01:43:45.979 --> 01:43:48.060
right there so i'll leave it at that for now

01:43:48.060 --> 01:43:49.880
and we'll we'll talk we'll chat about it later

01:43:49.880 --> 01:43:52.180
i think but yeah he definitely would be able

01:43:52.180 --> 01:43:54.359
to benefit a lot from it i think yeah hopefully

01:43:54.359 --> 01:43:58.979
in the irc we'll chat about it 100 okay now hendrick

01:43:58.979 --> 01:44:01.100
has to leave because it's 2 a .m we can keep

01:44:01.100 --> 01:44:04.500
here uh tony and josh any anything you want to

01:44:04.500 --> 01:44:08.210
say before you uh before you drop hendrick Oh,

01:44:08.229 --> 01:44:10.729
it feels I'm being kicked out now. No, no, no,

01:44:10.729 --> 01:44:12.689
no, you're not being kicked out. No, stick around,

01:44:12.750 --> 01:44:15.409
man. If you want to stay, that's wonderful, man.

01:44:15.489 --> 01:44:17.750
But if you're tired and if you have to leave.

01:44:18.510 --> 01:44:21.130
Honestly, it's 2 a .m. for me, so I'm out of

01:44:21.130 --> 01:44:23.050
here. But man, this was a lot of fun. Thanks

01:44:23.050 --> 01:44:26.270
for setting this up, Link. And nice to meet you,

01:44:26.329 --> 01:44:28.909
Josh. And also nice to meet you, Tony, in sort

01:44:28.909 --> 01:44:32.270
of a more real setting than Discord chat. Yeah.

01:44:32.789 --> 01:44:36.810
Lots of fun. I guess I have to look into Nix.

01:44:38.780 --> 01:44:42.739
Thanks, everyone. Thanks, Chad. Peace out. I'm

01:44:42.739 --> 01:44:46.380
out of here. Bye, Hendrik. Have a good rest of

01:44:46.380 --> 01:44:49.359
the day. Take care. That guy sucks. No, I'm just

01:44:49.359 --> 01:44:54.960
kidding. No, man. Henry's awesome, man. That's

01:44:54.960 --> 01:44:57.819
cool. He stayed up till 2 a .m. to chat about

01:44:57.819 --> 01:45:00.819
the O -Word and NixOS and stuff. It was great

01:45:00.819 --> 01:45:06.399
stuff. Now, what is this going to become? Before

01:45:06.399 --> 01:45:08.399
we get into anything else, I have one question

01:45:08.399 --> 01:45:11.720
real quick. Joshua, do you have a compressor

01:45:11.720 --> 01:45:14.920
or something that is making it so that your audio

01:45:14.920 --> 01:45:17.560
is only going out into the left ear? Or is that...

01:45:17.560 --> 01:45:22.100
That might be... Hold on. Let me see. I hear

01:45:22.100 --> 01:45:24.199
it in both ears right now. You hear it just in

01:45:24.199 --> 01:45:26.920
one, Tony? I can only hear it in my left ear,

01:45:27.020 --> 01:45:31.819
yeah. Really? Yeah. And it was also one of your

01:45:31.819 --> 01:45:33.640
videos. I know somebody made a comment saying

01:45:33.640 --> 01:45:35.720
like, oh, my left ear left the chat or something.

01:45:35.899 --> 01:45:39.359
That was my bad. That was my bad because I was

01:45:39.359 --> 01:45:42.560
recording in OBS and I recorded in mono instead

01:45:42.560 --> 01:45:46.000
of stereo. And I just, yeah. What was the comment?

01:45:46.199 --> 01:45:49.399
What was the comment, Tony? My left ear enjoyed

01:45:49.399 --> 01:45:53.039
this video or loved this video. Yeah. So you

01:45:53.039 --> 01:45:55.680
saw that comment too, Link? I saw it too and

01:45:55.680 --> 01:45:58.159
I thought it was pretty funny. Can you guys confirm

01:45:58.159 --> 01:46:00.279
though? Or is the chat, can they confirm? Because

01:46:00.279 --> 01:46:02.300
I can only hear you in my left ear, man. I don't

01:46:02.300 --> 01:46:04.420
know how a link can hear you in both. I can hear

01:46:04.420 --> 01:46:07.520
him in both. Can you hear me in both, Tony? Yeah,

01:46:07.539 --> 01:46:09.359
both. But I think your headphones might be a

01:46:09.359 --> 01:46:13.199
different setup than mine. Does chat say anything?

01:46:13.859 --> 01:46:16.739
They say you can hear you fine. Are they wearing

01:46:16.739 --> 01:46:18.640
headphones? That's the thing. The reason I'm

01:46:18.640 --> 01:46:20.420
paranoid about it is because it happened to you

01:46:20.420 --> 01:46:22.260
in a video before, right? So if I go like this,

01:46:22.260 --> 01:46:26.020
I can't hear you. I just, so like, this is me

01:46:26.020 --> 01:46:29.020
not hearing you. And then this is, this is better.

01:46:29.500 --> 01:46:33.880
I feel like I'm just getting chirped. I promise.

01:46:33.939 --> 01:46:35.720
I'm not, I promise. I'm not trolling. I promise.

01:46:37.260 --> 01:46:40.220
But, um, it's okay. We'll move on. So anyway,

01:46:40.319 --> 01:46:41.720
like you were about to say, is this going to

01:46:41.720 --> 01:46:44.279
become, yeah. Well, what is this going to become

01:46:44.279 --> 01:46:47.460
right now? Is it going to become, uh, you guys

01:46:47.460 --> 01:46:50.539
watch the old video, the girls one. So is it

01:46:50.539 --> 01:46:55.119
going to become like two nicks? to next aficionados

01:46:55.119 --> 01:47:00.140
one one mac os user or what well i wanted to

01:47:00.140 --> 01:47:02.880
become yeah i think i'm curious because josh

01:47:02.880 --> 01:47:04.899
is here too so i'm actually more curious now

01:47:04.899 --> 01:47:08.220
about like um now we can actually 2v1 it's not

01:47:08.220 --> 01:47:10.800
a 1v3 i thought it was going to be a 1v3 me versus

01:47:10.800 --> 01:47:13.619
three proprietary garbage mac os users but now

01:47:13.619 --> 01:47:17.699
it's a 2v1 the script yeah now we have a script

01:47:17.699 --> 01:47:19.300
flipped here so i'm going to ask you link i'm

01:47:19.300 --> 01:47:21.420
going to interview you i need i need another

01:47:21.420 --> 01:47:24.539
mac os user from the chat to join the call so

01:47:24.539 --> 01:47:28.279
we can fight this these two demons let me be

01:47:28.279 --> 01:47:30.279
let me be let me be linked here let me lean back

01:47:30.279 --> 01:47:32.380
here i'm going to run the show here so link let

01:47:32.380 --> 01:47:34.579
me ask you i have a lot of questions about this

01:47:34.579 --> 01:47:36.500
and i'm very curious about this why is it that

01:47:36.500 --> 01:47:38.460
you use proprietary garbage and you're okay with

01:47:38.460 --> 01:47:42.180
it let me think because it's awesome it's a safe

01:47:42.180 --> 01:47:45.239
space this is a safe space you can say because

01:47:45.239 --> 01:47:49.439
it's awesome and it works man But why are you

01:47:49.439 --> 01:47:53.479
a vegetarian then? Oh, vegetarian? Are you a

01:47:53.479 --> 01:47:56.920
vegetarian as well, Josh? No, right? No. No?

01:47:57.600 --> 01:48:00.119
Because if your logic is because it's awesome

01:48:00.119 --> 01:48:03.340
and then that's why, I mean, red meat is awesome

01:48:03.340 --> 01:48:05.300
and that's why, so why don't you eat red meat?

01:48:06.039 --> 01:48:09.680
Yeah, I guess I started with macOS at my previous

01:48:09.680 --> 01:48:13.100
job, right? Because you're given a Mac. And I

01:48:13.100 --> 01:48:16.560
had Windows back then. I never used Linux. Well,

01:48:16.640 --> 01:48:20.380
I used Linux like 15 years ago Ubuntu. I installed

01:48:20.380 --> 01:48:24.359
it and I just ran with Ubuntu for a couple months.

01:48:25.039 --> 01:48:30.560
And yeah, I didn't go deep there. But at my previous

01:48:30.560 --> 01:48:33.579
job, I was given this Mac. So I installed it

01:48:33.579 --> 01:48:37.020
and I don't know how I ended up in the Primegence

01:48:37.020 --> 01:48:39.739
video. Before the Primegence video, my workflow

01:48:39.739 --> 01:48:43.520
was trash. what we were talking about a little

01:48:43.520 --> 01:48:47.359
while ago right my big monitor was all over the

01:48:47.359 --> 01:48:50.260
place but after watching that video from prime

01:48:50.260 --> 01:48:53.000
i had a mac you know that's that was a computer

01:48:53.000 --> 01:48:57.500
that i was using at work that mac so i just said

01:48:57.850 --> 01:48:59.989
I want to do what Prime does on my computer.

01:49:00.170 --> 01:49:02.409
I didn't have any other computer, just that specific

01:49:02.409 --> 01:49:05.470
one. So I did it on Mac and I haven't moved ever

01:49:05.470 --> 01:49:07.609
since. You know, I haven't had a reason to move

01:49:07.609 --> 01:49:11.069
away from Mac. So, yeah. Don't you feel like,

01:49:11.069 --> 01:49:14.130
but don't you feel like it's, you're fighting

01:49:14.130 --> 01:49:16.329
your operating system? Or is that something you

01:49:16.329 --> 01:49:19.630
never have that issue? Like with those Raycast

01:49:19.630 --> 01:49:21.689
crap, like all this stuff that like, you know.

01:49:23.520 --> 01:49:25.159
you have to have sign into your icloud account

01:49:25.159 --> 01:49:26.979
to do anything like why would you need to sign

01:49:26.979 --> 01:49:29.300
into an account to use your computer oh you don't

01:49:29.300 --> 01:49:31.520
need to it's not like windows i mean i know you

01:49:31.520 --> 01:49:33.520
don't need to but but like do you do it to be

01:49:33.520 --> 01:49:34.920
let's be i mean you could be honest oh yeah do

01:49:34.920 --> 01:49:36.939
you have as i do why do you do that why do it

01:49:37.579 --> 01:49:39.199
Doesn't it make everything easier on your computer?

01:49:39.300 --> 01:49:40.760
If you just, they make it on purpose, they shove

01:49:40.760 --> 01:49:42.800
it down your throat. Like, oh, you have to increase

01:49:42.800 --> 01:49:45.079
your storage because otherwise everything's going

01:49:45.079 --> 01:49:46.699
to save to a different folder, not your home

01:49:46.699 --> 01:49:48.319
folder. And by the way, your home folder is unavailable

01:49:48.319 --> 01:49:50.619
by default on Finder because you want to make

01:49:50.619 --> 01:49:52.640
it like really hard. You see what I'm saying?

01:49:52.699 --> 01:49:54.359
Like, why are you going through the trouble of

01:49:54.359 --> 01:49:55.880
fighting all that when you just come join me

01:49:55.880 --> 01:50:00.020
on IRC? No, because all of my stuff, well, it's

01:50:00.020 --> 01:50:03.439
anyway on proprietary garbage platforms. All

01:50:03.439 --> 01:50:06.420
of my stuff is in GitHub. right my notes and

01:50:06.420 --> 01:50:09.340
everything but there's some files that i want

01:50:09.340 --> 01:50:13.739
to keep in um in my mac like there's some more

01:50:13.739 --> 01:50:16.920
documents for homework that i do or basic stuff

01:50:16.920 --> 01:50:19.819
like that that i store in icloud that is nice

01:50:19.819 --> 01:50:23.140
to have when i log into icloud again in another

01:50:23.140 --> 01:50:26.180
computer but i don't use apple services too much

01:50:26.180 --> 01:50:30.000
icloud is just a minor part of it yeah but as

01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:31.840
they kind of force you into it though i mean

01:50:31.840 --> 01:50:33.119
i don't know josh what do you think about that

01:50:33.119 --> 01:50:36.479
yeah like The thing about Mac for me has always

01:50:36.479 --> 01:50:38.579
been the fighting of the operating system, specifically

01:50:38.579 --> 01:50:40.560
when you're just like installing packages, like

01:50:40.560 --> 01:50:42.119
just something as simple as that. It's like,

01:50:42.140 --> 01:50:43.579
are you sure you want to do this? Are you sure

01:50:43.579 --> 01:50:45.680
you want to do this? Really? Really? And then

01:50:45.680 --> 01:50:47.819
it's like, why do I have to click anything? I

01:50:47.819 --> 01:50:50.739
installed this via homebrew. Why am I having

01:50:50.739 --> 01:50:52.960
to click this? Like, you know what I mean? Like

01:50:52.960 --> 01:50:54.880
they treat you like a toddler. That's the issue

01:50:54.880 --> 01:50:57.319
that I have with Mac. And I've thought about

01:50:57.319 --> 01:51:00.399
going to Mac because of the, like the video workflow

01:51:00.399 --> 01:51:03.920
and the fact that the hardware is, I mean, it's.

01:51:04.489 --> 01:51:06.770
the the amd stuff is catching up pretty quick

01:51:06.770 --> 01:51:10.029
but the the hardware for battery life and stuff

01:51:10.029 --> 01:51:12.930
is good i'll give you that but it's like i just

01:51:12.930 --> 01:51:16.369
don't want to fight this thing to get 70 of the

01:51:16.369 --> 01:51:18.949
way that i could on linux i think that that's

01:51:18.949 --> 01:51:23.789
the thing with it is that it for me i i've definitely

01:51:23.789 --> 01:51:27.170
thought about it but that click of the button

01:51:27.170 --> 01:51:29.550
to be like are you really sure i just feel so

01:51:29.550 --> 01:51:32.399
stupid When I use the system, then I'm like...

01:51:32.399 --> 01:51:34.539
That's how I feel about Debian. But it's the

01:51:34.539 --> 01:51:38.979
way that you use it. No, I'm just kidding. I

01:51:38.979 --> 01:51:44.359
use macOS in a pretty customized way, and I have

01:51:44.359 --> 01:51:47.840
adapted it to my workflow. You do think differently.

01:51:48.119 --> 01:51:51.920
My keybinds and all that. But you do have to

01:51:51.920 --> 01:51:55.220
fight... with it to be able to do a lot of stuff

01:51:55.220 --> 01:51:57.819
like tony says right like the window manager

01:51:57.819 --> 01:52:00.399
for it to work perfectly you have to log into

01:52:00.399 --> 01:52:04.500
you know like the fail mode we could say like

01:52:04.500 --> 01:52:09.640
safe mode and disable some mac os specific stuff

01:52:09.640 --> 01:52:12.699
so that it lets you do something at the at a

01:52:12.699 --> 01:52:14.720
deeper level you know so that it lets the window

01:52:14.720 --> 01:52:17.239
manager do stuff i was going to ask you that

01:52:17.239 --> 01:52:18.859
isn't it you buy you have to go in and you have

01:52:18.859 --> 01:52:21.310
to like actually disable something yep Security

01:52:21.310 --> 01:52:24.529
-wise in the system. Yeah. System integrity protection

01:52:24.529 --> 01:52:28.949
is what you have to disable. So that Mac OS allows

01:52:28.949 --> 01:52:31.869
your bike to do certain things, right? You do

01:52:31.869 --> 01:52:34.090
it only once. You don't have to fight it a lot,

01:52:34.210 --> 01:52:37.729
right? You do that once you have your apps installed.

01:52:38.899 --> 01:52:41.619
You don't have to fight it that much. I guess

01:52:41.619 --> 01:52:43.760
the people that have to fight it the most are

01:52:43.760 --> 01:52:46.140
developers, right? Because let's say the new

01:52:46.140 --> 01:52:49.239
version that came out right now, macOS 26, the

01:52:49.239 --> 01:52:52.600
glassy thing. Have you guys seen it? No. I've

01:52:52.600 --> 01:52:55.479
seen memes about it, but I haven't seen it on

01:52:55.479 --> 01:52:58.359
device. It changed a lot of stuff. So I guess

01:52:58.359 --> 01:53:01.039
if you're a developer, it's not fun to develop

01:53:01.039 --> 01:53:03.760
for macOS. Every time they make a change, they

01:53:03.760 --> 01:53:07.760
have to find new ways to hack stuff around it.

01:53:08.279 --> 01:53:10.560
But me as a user, I don't have to fight it that

01:53:10.560 --> 01:53:13.659
much. The pop -ups that Joshua mentioned, yeah.

01:53:13.840 --> 01:53:16.739
But it's only one time, right? You install all

01:53:16.739 --> 01:53:20.760
of your apps at once. You select allow, you know,

01:53:20.819 --> 01:53:23.819
10 minutes after. You're good. As long as you

01:53:23.819 --> 01:53:25.840
have a good install script, of course, right?

01:53:26.779 --> 01:53:28.739
Look at this. He's got the 1v2 now. He feels

01:53:28.739 --> 01:53:30.619
the pressure. He doesn't get to rationalize and

01:53:30.619 --> 01:53:33.880
code while he uses it. I was going to give you

01:53:33.880 --> 01:53:37.180
a funny anecdote. I installed my girlfriend a

01:53:37.180 --> 01:53:41.239
few years back. She had a 2015 MacBook Pro, and

01:53:41.239 --> 01:53:44.020
it was the end of the life for it. So I installed

01:53:44.020 --> 01:53:47.880
Manjaro GNOME on it. It would have been Intel,

01:53:48.020 --> 01:53:52.039
yeah. So I installed Manjaro GNOME on it, and

01:53:52.039 --> 01:53:54.779
she was like, okay, there's a couple differences,

01:53:55.000 --> 01:53:58.779
but it's pretty good. She got a new M2 Air. She's

01:53:58.779 --> 01:54:00.399
been running for a couple of years. And the other

01:54:00.399 --> 01:54:03.239
day, she's just like, man, file system on this

01:54:03.239 --> 01:54:05.760
computer is garbage. I think I should go back

01:54:05.760 --> 01:54:08.159
to Linux. I think I should go back to Godome.

01:54:08.899 --> 01:54:14.039
She likes Nautilus better than Mac Finder? Bro,

01:54:14.079 --> 01:54:17.460
the issue with the home folder. No, yeah. The

01:54:17.460 --> 01:54:20.640
one I just brought up? I do agree. 100 % agree

01:54:20.640 --> 01:54:24.800
with you guys. Finder is trash. Do you have a

01:54:24.800 --> 01:54:28.699
separate tool that you use? I mean, I guess you

01:54:28.699 --> 01:54:30.439
could just use the terminal, but do you have

01:54:30.439 --> 01:54:32.159
a separate GUI application you could use for

01:54:32.159 --> 01:54:36.199
the file manager on macOS? Yep, yep, yep. What

01:54:36.199 --> 01:54:38.760
I do, let me show you. Hold on real quick. Let

01:54:38.760 --> 01:54:40.500
me see if I have something here that I cannot

01:54:40.500 --> 01:54:45.779
show. Like here. It bugs me to no end when I

01:54:45.779 --> 01:54:47.380
use your computer, though, and I'm like, where

01:54:47.380 --> 01:54:51.340
are my files, man? Yeah. This is a Unix -based

01:54:51.340 --> 01:54:53.279
operating system. What are they trying to do

01:54:53.279 --> 01:54:56.399
here? they want to be different that's what think

01:54:56.399 --> 01:54:59.880
differently means is they they remove the unix

01:54:59.880 --> 01:55:02.920
file system they remove home and they thought

01:55:02.920 --> 01:55:06.699
differently this is what i use it's another application

01:55:06.699 --> 01:55:10.520
it's called forklift and you get two panes to

01:55:10.520 --> 01:55:13.479
move stuff around you know but that's not one

01:55:13.479 --> 01:55:15.960
that i use the most i use this other like small

01:55:15.960 --> 01:55:19.479
tool that shows up there you guys see that so

01:55:20.029 --> 01:55:22.470
When I'm in my browser or something, I just bring

01:55:22.470 --> 01:55:24.630
it up with the key and I drag whatever I need

01:55:24.630 --> 01:55:28.630
to drag. So it keeps track. What's the license

01:55:28.630 --> 01:55:33.890
on Forklift? Why is it not GPL? Oh, no. All of

01:55:33.890 --> 01:55:36.390
the stuff that I use is proprietary garbage,

01:55:36.569 --> 01:55:39.090
man. All of it. I even pay for a subscription.

01:55:39.750 --> 01:55:45.729
There's like a Netflix of apps that is called

01:55:45.729 --> 01:55:50.090
Setup. that has a lot of oh no yeah yeah so it's

01:55:50.090 --> 01:55:52.630
a hundred percent proprietary stuff what i use

01:55:52.630 --> 01:55:55.390
on mac os so so look what you're looking at here

01:55:55.390 --> 01:55:57.090
is the file manager right like let's say you

01:55:57.090 --> 01:55:59.109
want to change some stuff about like like let's

01:55:59.109 --> 01:56:00.649
say you want to add or remove like a feature

01:56:00.649 --> 01:56:03.729
to from this oh no that is locked in you cannot

01:56:03.729 --> 01:56:05.229
do that's what i'm saying like like wouldn't

01:56:05.229 --> 01:56:06.930
you be happier if like you could just go into

01:56:06.930 --> 01:56:08.850
the file and change it recompile it from source

01:56:08.850 --> 01:56:10.630
and have your own like custom version of a file

01:56:10.630 --> 01:56:14.250
manager no no man why would i want to do that

01:56:14.250 --> 01:56:17.119
like hold on what do you mean why dude you spent

01:56:17.119 --> 01:56:19.800
like a year optimizing your keyboard to hold

01:56:19.800 --> 01:56:22.079
s for three how do you okay you have holding

01:56:22.079 --> 01:56:24.100
r for three seconds do something special right

01:56:24.100 --> 01:56:26.119
what happens when you want to type the word yellow

01:56:26.119 --> 01:56:31.579
in spanish type the word and emphasize the r

01:56:31.579 --> 01:56:33.460
like you know like and just hold the r key instead

01:56:33.460 --> 01:56:35.359
of pressing it let's say you want to like you're

01:56:35.359 --> 01:56:36.819
writing a script or something like that right

01:56:36.819 --> 01:56:39.319
and you say like oh he said that he said yellow

01:56:39.319 --> 01:56:41.960
you know but he said you know he you see what

01:56:41.960 --> 01:56:44.689
i'm asking No, I don't understand. Because this

01:56:44.689 --> 01:56:47.729
thing was reading the message. The whole time

01:56:47.729 --> 01:56:51.810
that you were talking, this super chat was screaming

01:56:51.810 --> 01:56:57.630
to my ear, reading whatever. I couldn't hear

01:56:57.630 --> 01:57:00.350
you, Tony. So let me just read this. Hold on,

01:57:00.390 --> 01:57:03.710
and then I'll go back to you. Linux is fun for

01:57:03.710 --> 01:57:06.149
us techies. Cross -development shouldn't be so

01:57:06.149 --> 01:57:10.500
irking, but enhance your skill. and multi -platforming

01:57:10.500 --> 01:57:14.420
uh all folks use against change yeah old music

01:57:14.420 --> 01:57:17.840
is the best so what he's saying is that he his

01:57:17.840 --> 01:57:20.619
first question was do you really are you guys

01:57:20.619 --> 01:57:22.939
having issues with cross development and he's

01:57:22.939 --> 01:57:24.439
basically complaining that cross development

01:57:24.439 --> 01:57:29.119
should not be so annoying um and i don't ever

01:57:29.119 --> 01:57:31.479
do like i don't do cross div i mean i guess i

01:57:31.479 --> 01:57:33.239
am struggling right now with some cross development

01:57:33.239 --> 01:57:35.220
but it's within linux it's because i'm making

01:57:35.220 --> 01:57:38.640
something for to be packaged in arch and in a

01:57:38.640 --> 01:57:40.819
Knicks and in Debian. And it's, it's harder.

01:57:40.939 --> 01:57:44.260
It's a lot harder than, than I thought. So that

01:57:44.260 --> 01:57:45.699
is annoying, but that's not what he's talking

01:57:45.699 --> 01:57:49.039
about. I don't think with Knicks, you can compile

01:57:49.039 --> 01:57:52.619
to any sort of, uh, like you can compile to,

01:57:52.739 --> 01:57:56.460
uh, arm or exactly. Yeah. Like you can compile

01:57:56.460 --> 01:58:00.939
within Knicks to any source, like any destination

01:58:00.939 --> 01:58:04.859
story that you want. Right. Yep. So, I mean,

01:58:05.869 --> 01:58:08.289
hypothetically i mean i just develop web stuff

01:58:08.289 --> 01:58:11.890
i'm uh i'm like well what do they call us a uh

01:58:11.890 --> 01:58:19.510
crud monkey a crud monkey now hold on gen x really

01:58:19.510 --> 01:58:24.029
appreciate the super chat and also so or see

01:58:24.029 --> 01:58:27.430
so that guy that guy is uh he's he's one of my

01:58:27.430 --> 01:58:29.989
uh well i don't even know he's one of my friends

01:58:29.989 --> 01:58:32.409
at this point now he's in my discord and he's

01:58:32.409 --> 01:58:34.750
been helping me work on um this window manager

01:58:34.750 --> 01:58:37.289
that I've been working on. And he's like a really

01:58:37.289 --> 01:58:38.930
smart guy. He's like a really good developer.

01:58:39.350 --> 01:58:42.210
And he actually is talking about Neary WM. He

01:58:42.210 --> 01:58:46.310
actually hates Wayland so much that he rebuilt

01:58:46.310 --> 01:58:49.949
the main function of Neary WM in his own window

01:58:49.949 --> 01:58:53.710
manager for Xorg. And he calls it NWM. And he's

01:58:53.710 --> 01:58:55.670
been working on that. So him and I have been

01:58:55.670 --> 01:58:57.210
kind of testing each other's window managers.

01:58:57.329 --> 01:59:01.250
And yeah, he's a really cool guy. So he wanted

01:59:01.250 --> 01:59:03.369
to show you some love with the super chat. Yeah,

01:59:03.409 --> 01:59:05.710
I really appreciate it, man. Thank you very much.

01:59:05.789 --> 01:59:10.149
That helps a lot. So I guess like, why would

01:59:10.149 --> 01:59:12.670
I go through the trouble of, you know, compiling

01:59:12.670 --> 01:59:15.609
my application? I'm just a normal guy, man. I'm

01:59:15.609 --> 01:59:19.890
just a normie, basically. That has worked on

01:59:19.890 --> 01:59:23.689
his Mac config, you know, but compiling stuff

01:59:23.689 --> 01:59:26.750
and creating my own window manager. No, that's

01:59:26.750 --> 01:59:29.050
not something that I enjoy. And that's actually

01:59:29.050 --> 01:59:31.800
one of the reasons why I haven't. even thought

01:59:31.800 --> 01:59:36.340
about nix because yeah same stuff same stuff

01:59:36.340 --> 01:59:39.100
what do you guys have to say about nix it's a

01:59:39.100 --> 01:59:41.699
learning curve for sure like without a doubt

01:59:41.699 --> 01:59:47.460
um but i think the benefits it actually is a

01:59:47.460 --> 01:59:49.619
paradigm shift in computing when you understand

01:59:49.619 --> 01:59:55.260
what it is declarative versus imperative uh package

01:59:55.260 --> 01:59:58.739
management just on the surface level is already

01:59:58.739 --> 02:00:02.979
huge because I've had to install my system numerous

02:00:02.979 --> 02:00:06.159
times in the last eight years, right? Imperatively

02:00:06.159 --> 02:00:09.340
going through all the steps to get my system

02:00:09.340 --> 02:00:12.079
working properly, even with scripting, even with

02:00:12.079 --> 02:00:16.619
any sort of tooling that I've built out, it was

02:00:16.619 --> 02:00:20.760
hell. Because there wasn't a source of truth

02:00:20.760 --> 02:00:24.539
that I could go to to have everything essentially

02:00:24.539 --> 02:00:29.439
just dictated as to what I need. With Nix, everything

02:00:29.439 --> 02:00:32.699
is declaratively managed. So nothing changes

02:00:32.699 --> 02:00:38.279
outside of my .file, we'll call it, my configuration.

02:00:39.119 --> 02:00:42.619
And it's always source controlled. It's always

02:00:42.619 --> 02:00:45.319
backed up. There's no remembering things to do.

02:00:45.380 --> 02:00:48.479
There's no state management across that versus,

02:00:48.640 --> 02:00:51.199
oh, I need to run a systemd service or I need

02:00:51.199 --> 02:00:54.220
to start this thing or I need to do... I need

02:00:54.220 --> 02:00:56.640
to remember this command, this super obscure

02:00:56.640 --> 02:00:59.520
command that I'll never remember to do. It's

02:00:59.520 --> 02:01:01.720
all just essentially right there for you in Nix.

02:01:01.800 --> 02:01:04.100
Do I recommend people that are switching over

02:01:04.100 --> 02:01:07.479
to Linux to start on NixOS? No, because it's

02:01:07.479 --> 02:01:10.180
a completely, like there's Linux and then NixOS

02:01:10.180 --> 02:01:12.779
is like a paradigm shift away from Linux is what

02:01:12.779 --> 02:01:16.560
I would say. Yeah. And to add to that, there's

02:01:16.560 --> 02:01:18.079
a lot of people that get frustrated when they

02:01:18.079 --> 02:01:19.699
go over, they finally say, you know what, I'm

02:01:19.699 --> 02:01:21.300
going to put down Valorant and I'm just going

02:01:21.300 --> 02:01:22.699
to sign it off and I'm going to actually just

02:01:22.699 --> 02:01:24.560
commit to Ubuntu. I'm going to commit to Linux.

02:01:24.680 --> 02:01:26.760
Like I'm done with Windows. And they install

02:01:26.760 --> 02:01:28.720
Linux and they install Arch. They go into Arch

02:01:28.720 --> 02:01:31.039
Linux. And then a couple of weeks into it, they

02:01:31.039 --> 02:01:32.500
update their system and something doesn't work.

02:01:32.600 --> 02:01:33.760
And they go, you know what, I'm going back to

02:01:33.760 --> 02:01:36.760
Windows. Screw this. With Nix. if you update

02:01:36.760 --> 02:01:38.680
your system and something doesn't work you just

02:01:38.680 --> 02:01:41.020
literally reboot you read like you can just reload

02:01:41.020 --> 02:01:43.460
back to the previous state that did work within

02:01:43.460 --> 02:01:45.840
five seconds so that's also another big selling

02:01:45.840 --> 02:01:48.060
point and also the dependencies that he was talking

02:01:48.060 --> 02:01:49.640
about like let's say you have a package that

02:01:49.640 --> 02:01:52.460
depends on another package and this one upgrades

02:01:52.460 --> 02:01:54.960
and this one breaks you don't have that with

02:01:54.960 --> 02:01:56.880
nix because all of your if you use flakes all

02:01:56.880 --> 02:01:59.300
of your dependencies are locked at specific versions

02:01:59.300 --> 02:02:01.500
so you're never going to have that problem so

02:02:01.500 --> 02:02:03.479
i mean this is through the weeds this is like

02:02:03.479 --> 02:02:05.340
extra stuff that people don't that's not level

02:02:05.340 --> 02:02:07.699
one type stuff like he was saying but yeah now

02:02:07.699 --> 02:02:10.920
for me yeah for me it's like it it's there's

02:02:10.920 --> 02:02:13.800
no other os i could use anymore because it solves

02:02:13.800 --> 02:02:16.920
so many problems in a holistic way that i'm just

02:02:16.920 --> 02:02:19.520
like how had i not been using this for like the

02:02:19.520 --> 02:02:23.340
last five years now has it broken for you guys

02:02:23.340 --> 02:02:25.600
like because we're just talking about fairy tales

02:02:25.600 --> 02:02:29.520
here and rainbows and butterflies right but In

02:02:29.520 --> 02:02:32.939
the real world, has it broken for you guys? Be

02:02:32.939 --> 02:02:37.119
honest. Has NixOS? Yeah. It broke once when I

02:02:37.119 --> 02:02:39.300
opened up a VM and tried to install a marquee.

02:02:39.319 --> 02:02:41.279
For some reason, it broke my computer. It blew

02:02:41.279 --> 02:02:46.119
up. It started telling you something. Yeah, no.

02:02:46.520 --> 02:02:49.659
No, I never had a problem. And, you know, there

02:02:49.659 --> 02:02:51.819
may be some issues with certain, like, niche

02:02:51.819 --> 02:02:55.039
packages that kind of, like, you know, they break

02:02:55.039 --> 02:02:57.180
or whatever. But there's good warning messages.

02:02:57.220 --> 02:02:59.380
They tell you what to do and stuff. you know

02:02:59.380 --> 02:03:01.739
i don't even use unstable like there's unstable

02:03:01.739 --> 02:03:03.880
packages i don't even use them for most things

02:03:03.880 --> 02:03:07.420
i use the the stable version of 25 .05 so like

02:03:07.420 --> 02:03:10.180
it's actually kind of like the debian in me that's

02:03:10.180 --> 02:03:12.199
why i was telling you like you can really have

02:03:12.199 --> 02:03:14.420
debian and arch at the same time with nix because

02:03:14.420 --> 02:03:16.399
you can have like some of your packages on unstable

02:03:16.399 --> 02:03:18.600
and some on like you know the king mode if you

02:03:18.600 --> 02:03:20.579
call it that and you just don't have to worry

02:03:20.579 --> 02:03:23.760
i never have to worry about it so yeah now i'm

02:03:23.760 --> 02:03:27.270
confused about something because I see that people

02:03:27.270 --> 02:03:30.909
talk about home manager or whatever. So is it

02:03:30.909 --> 02:03:34.170
Nix, an operating system, or is it an add -on

02:03:34.170 --> 02:03:38.329
that you can use on any other distro? Can I use

02:03:38.329 --> 02:03:41.949
Nix on Debian, or can I use part of it, or how

02:03:41.949 --> 02:03:47.010
does that work? Nix is an OS, but Nix is also

02:03:47.010 --> 02:03:50.010
a programming language, and Nix is also a package

02:03:50.010 --> 02:03:54.699
manager. Like Lisp. Like, okay. It's inception,

02:03:54.899 --> 02:03:58.699
bro. So NixOS is NixOS, which is basically just

02:03:58.699 --> 02:04:01.739
GNU Linux with some different file system that's

02:04:01.739 --> 02:04:05.920
not FSH compliant or whatever. But then it also

02:04:05.920 --> 02:04:09.039
has the Nix Package Manager built into it. And

02:04:09.039 --> 02:04:10.439
then the Nix Package Manager is something you

02:04:10.439 --> 02:04:12.060
can actually even use on proprietary garbage

02:04:12.060 --> 02:04:14.600
like macOS if you want. And then Home Manager

02:04:14.600 --> 02:04:17.159
is also something you can use on proprietary

02:04:17.159 --> 02:04:20.260
garbage like macOS or Debian or whatever. And

02:04:20.260 --> 02:04:24.140
so that's agnostic to your OS. But it all is

02:04:24.140 --> 02:04:26.300
running the same stuff on the back end. So it's

02:04:26.300 --> 02:04:28.699
like, yeah, it's portable, if you will. You know,

02:04:28.739 --> 02:04:31.520
you can call it that. But you have Brew, right?

02:04:31.560 --> 02:04:33.840
Brew is your package manager. So a lot of people

02:04:33.840 --> 02:04:36.399
use Nix for their package manager on Mac. And

02:04:36.399 --> 02:04:38.159
I don't really know too much about that because

02:04:38.159 --> 02:04:40.420
I've never experimented with it. But now a lot

02:04:40.420 --> 02:04:42.140
of people use Home Manager. Like I know one of

02:04:42.140 --> 02:04:44.300
your favorite YouTubers, DevOps Toolbox. I think

02:04:44.300 --> 02:04:46.859
he uses Home Manager for a while. I have watched

02:04:46.859 --> 02:04:49.680
his videos and I end up more confused than when

02:04:49.680 --> 02:04:52.560
I started watching the video. it's like because

02:04:52.560 --> 02:04:54.699
he went to home manager and then he said you

02:04:54.699 --> 02:04:56.739
know what i'm gonna use gnu stow instead of home

02:04:56.739 --> 02:04:59.340
manager and then same thing with the yeah i'm

02:04:59.340 --> 02:05:02.460
like what the hell is going on here um i get

02:05:02.460 --> 02:05:04.960
lost did you just use should i just use mako

02:05:04.960 --> 02:05:07.340
to make out a store system or whatever the hell

02:05:07.340 --> 02:05:09.560
it is if you become a madman like josh and me

02:05:09.560 --> 02:05:11.840
and you embrace like the anti -pattern of making

02:05:11.840 --> 02:05:14.680
out of system store links like you'll embrace

02:05:14.680 --> 02:05:18.739
home manager i think but uh still without still

02:05:18.739 --> 02:05:22.289
bro yeah But what about the shell? What do you

02:05:22.289 --> 02:05:24.689
guys use as the shell? Do you use fish? Do you

02:05:24.689 --> 02:05:28.350
use, what is it? What else is out there? Cause

02:05:28.350 --> 02:05:33.069
I use CSH. That was a jump. I love it. We just,

02:05:33.090 --> 02:05:34.689
that's like a Bikram yoga stretch right there.

02:05:35.770 --> 02:05:39.289
I thought about it the other day and that's something

02:05:39.289 --> 02:05:41.489
that I want to ask Colbert as well. Like what

02:05:41.489 --> 02:05:43.149
does he use as the shell? There's so many questions

02:05:43.149 --> 02:05:45.170
that I have for him, but that's something that

02:05:45.170 --> 02:05:47.029
I want to ask you guys as well. What shell do

02:05:47.029 --> 02:05:49.949
you use and why? I use the Born Again shell.

02:05:50.670 --> 02:05:58.529
So that's Bash. And you, Josh? Zish. I'm experimenting

02:05:58.529 --> 02:06:00.170
with the new shell, though, because I'm a new

02:06:00.170 --> 02:06:02.010
male, so I have to try the new shell, you know?

02:06:04.529 --> 02:06:06.430
That went over Link's head, I think. I'll explain

02:06:06.430 --> 02:06:11.880
it to him later. But I like Bash just because

02:06:11.880 --> 02:06:14.100
whenever I log into a Ubuntu or Debian server,

02:06:14.239 --> 02:06:16.199
it's going to be running Bash. So I don't want

02:06:16.199 --> 02:06:17.939
to ever not know what I'm doing in something

02:06:17.939 --> 02:06:22.859
else. You know what I mean? Okay. We have another

02:06:22.859 --> 02:06:25.840
super chat here. Let's see. Xode. How do you

02:06:25.840 --> 02:06:30.659
say that? Xode? CXode? VS Code? Is it VS Code?

02:06:30.840 --> 02:06:33.840
Oh, damn, Tony. That was rude on your part, man.

02:06:34.279 --> 02:06:37.699
Why did you say that? NixOS makes it hard to

02:06:37.699 --> 02:06:42.199
use your own packages you make. I disagree. He's

02:06:42.199 --> 02:06:43.760
referring to like, let's say you make your own

02:06:43.760 --> 02:06:47.420
package, like on Arch Linux, and you make like

02:06:47.420 --> 02:06:50.319
a AUR script for it to make it or whatever, right?

02:06:52.619 --> 02:06:54.680
He's saying it's harder to use on Nix, but I

02:06:54.680 --> 02:06:56.140
don't think it's harder. It's just a little bit

02:06:56.140 --> 02:06:58.439
more effort at first, and then it's easier to

02:06:58.439 --> 02:07:00.060
system lock it. Like he was saying earlier, you

02:07:00.060 --> 02:07:02.739
can... ensure that it works on arm technology

02:07:02.739 --> 02:07:05.100
and everything like with a flake so i don't think

02:07:05.100 --> 02:07:09.140
it's that much harder i think what he's referencing

02:07:09.140 --> 02:07:10.760
though and i'm curious you can elaborate this

02:07:10.760 --> 02:07:13.079
is he talking about the file system not being

02:07:13.079 --> 02:07:15.060
compliant because that's that's probably what

02:07:15.060 --> 02:07:18.000
he's getting at i will say one thing is if you're

02:07:18.000 --> 02:07:20.680
like if you're close to the hardware i have heard

02:07:20.680 --> 02:07:22.699
that nix is a bit of a pain in the ass because

02:07:22.699 --> 02:07:26.880
of the file system settings now do i have any

02:07:26.880 --> 02:07:28.619
experience with this no but what do you mean

02:07:28.619 --> 02:07:31.630
what do you mean If you're developing for embedded

02:07:31.630 --> 02:07:35.170
stuff, because of the way that the file system

02:07:35.170 --> 02:07:37.590
works, somebody just said that the file system

02:07:37.590 --> 02:07:41.250
is a pain, then it becomes something that's a

02:07:41.250 --> 02:07:44.470
bit of the pain to kind of navigate around. I

02:07:44.470 --> 02:07:46.229
don't have any experience with that because I

02:07:46.229 --> 02:07:50.430
don't program in assembly or C. I'm trying to

02:07:50.430 --> 02:07:53.670
learn C, but yeah, I think there's a guy - C

02:07:53.670 --> 02:07:55.470
is a big C guy, so that's why he's there. He's

02:07:55.470 --> 02:07:57.210
C++, but yeah, that's why he probably said that.

02:07:57.920 --> 02:08:00.439
there's a there's a youtuber oglo the nerd or

02:08:00.439 --> 02:08:03.100
whatever he mentions it too he was he if you

02:08:03.100 --> 02:08:07.340
do anything graphics based it becomes uh is it

02:08:07.340 --> 02:08:10.960
fhs compliancy right that's the issue is that

02:08:10.960 --> 02:08:13.399
because files don't exist where they're supposed

02:08:13.399 --> 02:08:17.199
to in an in a unix system then you have a bunch

02:08:17.199 --> 02:08:21.260
of loopholes to jump through etc i don't have

02:08:21.260 --> 02:08:23.350
experience with that i have a hard time to use

02:08:23.350 --> 02:08:25.350
it because it provides this that flash too quick

02:08:25.350 --> 02:08:27.310
but he's i think he's having a conversation with

02:08:27.310 --> 02:08:30.829
me right now about exactly this phenomenon well

02:08:30.829 --> 02:08:32.310
actually it's funny you mentioned oglo because

02:08:32.310 --> 02:08:34.850
he i well for me i think there's i mean we can

02:08:34.850 --> 02:08:36.590
do this could be this could this should be its

02:08:36.590 --> 02:08:38.449
own episode man we could go hours and hours on

02:08:38.449 --> 02:08:42.670
this but there's a cool feature called nix vm

02:08:42.670 --> 02:08:45.310
it's like you can open a vm on nix so fast that

02:08:45.310 --> 02:08:49.279
you can get into an arch or any type of fhs compliant

02:08:49.279 --> 02:08:51.979
like tool immediately like nix develop like there's

02:08:51.979 --> 02:08:53.199
so many different options to get around that

02:08:53.199 --> 02:08:56.579
but yeah distro box yeah that could be distro

02:08:56.579 --> 02:08:59.460
box is that the one i think that's right yeah

02:08:59.460 --> 02:09:04.140
okay is it distro box or i'm trying to think

02:09:04.140 --> 02:09:05.920
of what the what people have said that because

02:09:05.920 --> 02:09:07.720
i i don't have experience with this but people

02:09:07.720 --> 02:09:10.239
have said it's a good escape hatch for when you

02:09:10.239 --> 02:09:12.859
run into that uh compliancy ish is it distro

02:09:12.859 --> 02:09:16.760
box I was talking about just Nick's VM, like

02:09:16.760 --> 02:09:19.800
just how quick it is to set up a VM. Okay. Josh,

02:09:20.640 --> 02:09:22.779
I also want to ask you, because you weren't here

02:09:22.779 --> 02:09:26.079
before when we went around the table with these

02:09:26.079 --> 02:09:29.619
questions. Briefly, would you mind sharing your

02:09:29.619 --> 02:09:33.020
thoughts about single monitor, multiple monitors,

02:09:33.399 --> 02:09:37.939
window managers in tiling mode or one application

02:09:37.939 --> 02:09:40.699
on the screen? And what are your thoughts on

02:09:40.699 --> 02:09:46.720
widescreen monitors as well? Emacs. That's a

02:09:46.720 --> 02:09:51.579
good answer. I mean, I see why people use two

02:09:51.579 --> 02:09:54.000
monitors. I used to use two monitors, one vertical,

02:09:54.119 --> 02:09:56.100
one horizontal in front of me because you have

02:09:56.100 --> 02:09:58.939
reference material. I only use one monitor now

02:09:58.939 --> 02:10:01.539
because I have seven workspaces that I jumped

02:10:01.539 --> 02:10:03.720
through in Hyperland. But honest to God, though,

02:10:03.739 --> 02:10:08.020
I'm in Emacs 90 % of the time nowadays. This

02:10:08.020 --> 02:10:10.579
is your quote, right? You said, if I can make

02:10:10.579 --> 02:10:13.500
it work. in emacs i will and if i can't i'm going

02:10:13.500 --> 02:10:16.720
to try to make it work in emacs yes absolutely

02:10:16.720 --> 02:10:21.619
yeah you only need one emacs there you go have

02:10:21.619 --> 02:10:24.079
you ever thought about emacs tony because to

02:10:24.079 --> 02:10:27.680
be honest with you max oh yeah max yeah you use

02:10:27.680 --> 02:10:31.579
it a lot i use it a lot yeah um like org mode

02:10:31.579 --> 02:10:34.739
is incredible uh i have a website that i use

02:10:34.739 --> 02:10:37.260
to for like create tutorials and stuff and like

02:10:37.260 --> 02:10:39.859
when i write youtube scripts i use emacs uh to

02:10:39.859 --> 02:10:41.840
make org mode files that'll help me like kind

02:10:41.840 --> 02:10:44.539
of organize like the script and like to do agendas

02:10:44.539 --> 02:10:47.739
and stuff and then also like within emacs i can

02:10:47.739 --> 02:10:50.039
open up a shell and do whatever like i use emacs

02:10:50.039 --> 02:10:52.560
a lot i mean i use vim inside of emacs because

02:10:52.560 --> 02:10:55.420
i use evil mode so you know there's this that

02:10:55.420 --> 02:10:58.600
and the other but if i'm just yeah exactly but

02:10:58.600 --> 02:11:00.579
if i'm just doing something like for daily driving

02:11:00.579 --> 02:11:03.579
stuff i still use vim neo vim but like programming

02:11:03.579 --> 02:11:07.119
but for the youtube stuff i do i live in emacs

02:11:07.119 --> 02:11:10.979
basically Oh, anything notes related, you do

02:11:10.979 --> 02:11:14.279
it in Emacs. If it's notes or like agenda stuff

02:11:14.279 --> 02:11:16.600
or anything like any organizational requirements,

02:11:16.880 --> 02:11:18.560
stuff like that, like it's going to be done in

02:11:18.560 --> 02:11:21.359
Emacs. Because it's a GUI application, right?

02:11:21.500 --> 02:11:28.560
Yeah. IRC? In Emacs, yeah, in Emacs. Music? Emacs.

02:11:28.699 --> 02:11:32.300
Email? Emacs. I'm not quite that level because

02:11:32.300 --> 02:11:36.079
I think it's, I mean, I don't even think, I think

02:11:36.079 --> 02:11:38.579
email as a whole. concept we can get into but

02:11:38.579 --> 02:11:40.079
email is also like another one of those things

02:11:40.079 --> 02:11:42.100
that's like that's below i feel like why do you

02:11:42.100 --> 02:11:45.560
need an email and you know to send you like what's

02:11:45.560 --> 02:11:48.439
the point of an email address look at see so

02:11:48.439 --> 02:11:51.319
dude he's pumping it's pumping appreciate that

02:11:51.319 --> 02:11:55.020
donation see so if uh default emacs is all you

02:11:55.020 --> 02:11:58.180
need i've thought about emacs guys and i don't

02:11:58.180 --> 02:12:02.489
know i feel attracted to emacs because the people

02:12:02.489 --> 02:12:05.029
that use emacs the ones that i have known at

02:12:05.029 --> 02:12:07.289
least are pretty chill i don't know if you guys

02:12:07.289 --> 02:12:10.689
watched the interview that i did with prot but

02:12:10.689 --> 02:12:13.890
the c laos he's in cyprus and he's a wonderful

02:12:13.890 --> 02:12:17.649
guy i don't know pretty pretty awesome guy joshua

02:12:17.649 --> 02:12:21.340
pretty awesome as well and I think the best way

02:12:21.340 --> 02:12:22.399
probably... You're forgetting my uncle, man.

02:12:22.520 --> 02:12:24.039
Don't forget to give my uncle a shout out. Oh,

02:12:24.039 --> 02:12:27.920
yeah, as well. Distro2, bro. Yeah, he's a big

02:12:27.920 --> 02:12:31.960
Emacs user. He's pretty cool as well. And I don't

02:12:31.960 --> 02:12:36.479
know, is note -taking the best? Because you have

02:12:36.479 --> 02:12:40.659
to find a way that is going to make the least

02:12:40.659 --> 02:12:44.699
friction between you and the tool. So would it

02:12:44.699 --> 02:12:48.430
be... note -related stuff, org mode, is that

02:12:48.430 --> 02:12:50.310
the best way? Because I do a lot of Markdown

02:12:50.310 --> 02:12:54.390
and EOPM, right? So how should I start? Can you

02:12:54.390 --> 02:13:00.810
run code in Markdown? No. You can evaluate code

02:13:00.810 --> 02:13:05.869
in org mode. That's your... No, org agenda, dude,

02:13:05.949 --> 02:13:07.670
is the sickest thing ever. It's org agenda for

02:13:07.670 --> 02:13:09.729
me, yeah. Org agenda is what makes it crazy.

02:13:10.449 --> 02:13:13.989
And I have an API script that I use to just like...

02:13:14.409 --> 02:13:18.029
get my work tasks and just part like I pipe it

02:13:18.029 --> 02:13:21.329
into jq like this json formatter and then I just

02:13:21.329 --> 02:13:23.989
write it into an org mode file as a to -do list

02:13:23.989 --> 02:13:25.890
and that way I never have to open up like this

02:13:25.890 --> 02:13:28.789
stupid gooey app that I my company makes me use

02:13:28.789 --> 02:13:31.970
for like tasks I just open up emacs every day

02:13:31.970 --> 02:13:34.409
and I can just see all my scripts all my tasks

02:13:34.409 --> 02:13:38.850
my to -do list is across like 25 or 30 files

02:13:38.850 --> 02:13:40.970
because i include my to -do list in like the

02:13:40.970 --> 02:13:43.630
readme of projects i'm working on i've seen that

02:13:43.630 --> 02:13:45.729
you document how well you slept and stuff like

02:13:45.729 --> 02:13:47.449
you you're going insane with it man i'm curious

02:13:47.449 --> 02:13:48.989
about your myers -briggs we could talk about

02:13:48.989 --> 02:13:58.250
it off stream though autistic bim is better says

02:13:58.250 --> 02:14:01.079
scumer appreciate that donation scumer I can't

02:14:01.079 --> 02:14:03.439
send a link, but that guy CISO wrote a guide

02:14:03.439 --> 02:14:05.960
on my website called or the Emax guide. I sent

02:14:05.960 --> 02:14:07.899
it in the discord, but I can't send it on the

02:14:07.899 --> 02:14:11.300
YouTube because it's getting it's getting muted.

02:14:11.479 --> 02:14:14.439
Is this a link? I got like five more minutes.

02:14:14.520 --> 02:14:16.899
Just just that same here. Pretty much. Yeah,

02:14:17.000 --> 02:14:20.520
let's do it. Let's wrap it up. Any final words?

02:14:20.659 --> 02:14:23.319
Well, I just want to say thanks to both of you.

02:14:23.500 --> 02:14:26.619
Tony, we've been planning this for what? I don't

02:14:26.619 --> 02:14:29.970
know for. Not too long for a week. Sylvan was

02:14:29.970 --> 02:14:33.130
supposed to join. I don't know what he's up to.

02:14:33.229 --> 02:14:34.270
We got an upgrade, dude. It's okay. We got an

02:14:34.270 --> 02:14:37.210
upgrade. Yeah, we got an upgrade. Yeah. Appreciate

02:14:37.210 --> 02:14:41.130
you joining us, Joshua, and sharing about Emacs

02:14:41.130 --> 02:14:43.310
and all that stuff. Let's see. We have another

02:14:43.310 --> 02:14:47.449
super chat. Hold on. What does it say here? Emacs,

02:14:47.550 --> 02:14:52.510
Josh, and Tony on the list. It's okay. I still

02:14:52.510 --> 02:14:54.869
use NeoVim more than I use Emacs. Don't worry,

02:14:54.909 --> 02:14:58.399
man. I use both. Just like DistroTube said, I

02:14:58.399 --> 02:15:03.699
use both Vim and Emacs. Yeah. So, yeah, that's

02:15:03.699 --> 02:15:06.399
it on my side. Any final words, any guys you

02:15:06.399 --> 02:15:08.819
want to say to wrap it up? You want to go first,

02:15:08.939 --> 02:15:11.680
Tony? I'll just say thanks for setting this up.

02:15:11.760 --> 02:15:13.159
And it was awesome to talk about everything.

02:15:13.359 --> 02:15:15.699
And I really think people should just look into

02:15:15.699 --> 02:15:18.159
the funding of Omarki before installing it and

02:15:18.159 --> 02:15:19.819
see kind of where that goes. I encourage you

02:15:19.819 --> 02:15:21.539
to do your own research and see kind of what

02:15:21.539 --> 02:15:24.020
that's, why that's being AstroTurfed. And that's

02:15:24.020 --> 02:15:27.600
probably, that's pretty much like the main, That's

02:15:27.600 --> 02:15:32.319
going to be on the highlights. Tony didn't kill

02:15:32.319 --> 02:15:42.220
himself. Yo, exactly. What's that joke? I don't

02:15:42.220 --> 02:15:45.640
get it. It's a Jeffrey Epstein reference. Oh,

02:15:45.779 --> 02:15:48.520
okay. They're going to come after him now that

02:15:48.520 --> 02:15:52.220
he's exposed to funding. Look at this. He's pumping,

02:15:52.680 --> 02:15:55.909
dude. Yeah, man. he's a bit dude see so it's

02:15:55.909 --> 02:15:58.710
one of my new like like he's like i i would say

02:15:58.710 --> 02:16:00.149
he's a viewer of mine but he's just a friend

02:16:00.149 --> 02:16:02.430
dude he's just one of my friends at this point

02:16:02.430 --> 02:16:05.350
we just like talk all the time about c c plus

02:16:05.350 --> 02:16:08.170
plus rust zig like we're zigzagooners you know

02:16:08.170 --> 02:16:11.609
what i'm saying all right and what about you

02:16:11.609 --> 02:16:15.529
josh oh thanks for for well thanks for inviting

02:16:15.529 --> 02:16:18.289
me on last minute i was watching the stream and

02:16:18.289 --> 02:16:19.829
commenting on it you're like you wanna join i'm

02:16:19.829 --> 02:16:22.930
like all right let's do it on the fly on the

02:16:22.930 --> 02:16:26.800
fly man Yeah, use Nix, use Emacs. Come join me

02:16:26.800 --> 02:16:33.639
on IRC. And do some marching. Oh no, that was

02:16:33.639 --> 02:16:38.940
not right. All right, guys. Are you getting paid?

02:16:39.399 --> 02:16:42.639
What's going on with that? All right, guys. Thanks

02:16:42.639 --> 02:16:45.340
for showing up. Talk to you. Thank you. Until

02:16:45.340 --> 02:16:48.760
the next time. Yeah, man. All right. Let me see

02:16:48.760 --> 02:16:52.020
if this works. Okay, so the chat can hear us.

02:16:52.459 --> 02:16:54.100
We don't know if they can hear you still, but

02:16:54.100 --> 02:16:57.000
we're going to confirm in a little while. Let

02:16:57.000 --> 02:16:59.040
me see in Twitch. We have Tony there. Hey, Tony.

02:16:59.760 --> 02:17:02.739
What's going on? Can you hear me? Yep. I'll level

02:17:02.739 --> 02:17:05.579
the audio right now. Linux users are later than

02:17:05.579 --> 02:17:08.899
Mac users, except Vimithy. Vimithy, I don't know

02:17:08.899 --> 02:17:13.280
if Vimithy even remembers that. We have the call.

02:17:15.139 --> 02:17:17.659
you guys have you guys have him on um snapchat

02:17:17.659 --> 02:17:19.799
or whatever the kids are using these days i don't

02:17:19.799 --> 02:17:21.959
know what they use man i'm thinking i was thinking

02:17:21.959 --> 02:17:24.139
about wearing a hat for this but like instead

02:17:24.139 --> 02:17:26.340
i just used some hair gel to go the other way

02:17:26.340 --> 02:17:29.159
with it uh -huh so now i look less bald so i

02:17:29.159 --> 02:17:32.360
think we're good like this because when i did

02:17:32.360 --> 02:17:34.719
this interview with the linux cast i went like

02:17:34.719 --> 02:17:37.680
this way with it so i had this like it just looked

02:17:37.680 --> 02:17:39.159
like i didn't look that good so i'm like you

02:17:39.159 --> 02:17:40.760
know what i'm just gonna go the other way with

02:17:40.760 --> 02:17:42.989
it and so now we just don't need the hat So you

02:17:42.989 --> 02:17:46.889
have to decide where to point it to, right? So

02:17:46.889 --> 02:17:49.469
it covers there. So it covers the front bald

02:17:49.469 --> 02:17:52.409
spot or whatever? Uh -huh. Why is my face so

02:17:52.409 --> 02:17:55.010
big? Okay, I'm going to make our faces the same

02:17:55.010 --> 02:17:57.809
size because I can't make it smaller because,

02:17:57.989 --> 02:18:02.469
yeah. That's what she said. Yeah. Let's see.

02:18:02.530 --> 02:18:08.090
Hold on. Where is Tony? What's going on, Henry?

02:18:08.170 --> 02:18:10.989
Nice to meet you, man. yes nice to meet you in

02:18:10.989 --> 02:18:14.889
sort of person i guess yeah it's crazy i feel

02:18:14.889 --> 02:18:18.530
like we've talked so much yeah yeah definitely

02:18:18.530 --> 02:18:20.329
it's like we've been knowing each other forever

02:18:20.329 --> 02:18:24.790
yeah exactly okay henry's volume is a little

02:18:24.790 --> 02:18:28.950
bit low let's see you talk uh for a little while

02:18:28.950 --> 02:18:33.370
henry yes let's go how's the volume okay i'm

02:18:33.370 --> 02:18:35.850
gonna fix it here hold on yeah should i just

02:18:35.850 --> 02:18:39.340
keep talking Yes, please, if you can just keep

02:18:39.340 --> 02:18:42.299
talking for a little while. I don't know what

02:18:42.299 --> 02:18:45.959
to say. We can read something. What's the Declaration

02:18:45.959 --> 02:18:49.819
of Independence in Spain or Germany? That's a

02:18:49.819 --> 02:18:52.600
very good question. Do you guys memorize something

02:18:52.600 --> 02:18:56.200
like that in sixth grade? No, I don't think so.

02:18:56.200 --> 02:18:58.280
Like a historical document? We had to do that

02:18:58.280 --> 02:19:01.500
in sixth grade here. Right, so can you still

02:19:01.500 --> 02:19:04.299
recite it? we hold these that's what i did last

02:19:04.299 --> 02:19:06.120
time we hold these truths to be self -evident

02:19:06.120 --> 02:19:08.639
that all people are created equal that they're

02:19:08.639 --> 02:19:10.819
endowed by their creator with certain unalienable

02:19:10.819 --> 02:19:13.719
rights you know that among these rights um are

02:19:13.719 --> 02:19:16.959
rights such as life liberty the pursuit of happiness

02:19:16.959 --> 02:19:19.639
etc but the point is like these are all unalienable

02:19:19.639 --> 02:19:21.200
the whole point is we learned that in eighth

02:19:21.200 --> 02:19:23.459
grade or whatever just like yeah i'm here for

02:19:23.459 --> 02:19:26.020
tony and his random proprietary garbage we already

02:19:26.020 --> 02:19:28.780
have people in the chat love it yeah now in germany

02:19:28.780 --> 02:19:30.340
did you did you guys learn anything like that

02:19:30.340 --> 02:19:32.809
like um do you guys in high school like did you

02:19:32.809 --> 02:19:34.409
guys learn any kind of really important historical

02:19:34.409 --> 02:19:37.190
documents like that or no yes definitely i just

02:19:37.190 --> 02:19:41.889
can't recite them right now okay i'm so curious

02:19:41.889 --> 02:19:44.030
i'm gonna make you bigger that's what she said

02:19:44.030 --> 02:19:47.750
let's see you're a little bit to the left side

02:19:47.750 --> 02:19:50.850
tony are you able to center do you can you move

02:19:50.850 --> 02:19:53.770
your camera or it's fixed because if i put you

02:19:53.770 --> 02:19:56.129
in the middle there you see what i'm talking

02:19:56.129 --> 02:20:02.420
about a little bit more There. I'm going to put

02:20:02.420 --> 02:20:05.780
you right there. That works, yeah. You can see

02:20:05.780 --> 02:20:08.780
my fake background, my home gym. That's obviously

02:20:08.780 --> 02:20:11.520
Primogen background type shit. The Primogen vibes,

02:20:11.819 --> 02:20:13.760
right? Actually, he has a yoga bowl, right? I

02:20:13.760 --> 02:20:15.440
think I got a yoga bowl. Let's see if we can

02:20:15.440 --> 02:20:20.540
do it. Now, let's move to Henry, okay? Let's

02:20:20.540 --> 02:20:22.760
do the Primogen yoga bowl. I know you wanted

02:20:22.760 --> 02:20:25.239
to show off your background, Hendrik, but I'm

02:20:25.239 --> 02:20:28.319
just going to make us the same size. Hendrik

02:20:28.319 --> 02:20:30.950
Lamar? Did you just call him Hendrik? It's Hendrik,

02:20:31.030 --> 02:20:33.989
right? Yeah, that's my real name. Oh yeah, that's

02:20:33.989 --> 02:20:36.430
cool. They call you Henry, is that right? Yeah,

02:20:36.450 --> 02:20:38.170
I just go by Henry in English because it's easier

02:20:38.170 --> 02:20:41.090
for most people to pronounce. Hendrik Lamar?

02:20:41.250 --> 02:20:43.569
Yeah, basically. Hendrik Duckworth? I love it.

02:20:44.270 --> 02:20:47.129
Now, Tony, you sound pretty good. That's because

02:20:47.129 --> 02:20:49.649
you have the same microphone as your dad, right?

02:20:49.790 --> 02:20:54.110
My uncle, yeah. Your uncle, yeah, sorry. He's

02:20:54.110 --> 02:20:56.750
not my dad. He's not your dad? Who's your dad?

02:20:56.870 --> 02:21:04.700
DHH? Richard Stallman, I guess. I don't know.

02:21:05.020 --> 02:21:09.020
Yeah, that makes sense. Let's see. Is anyone

02:21:09.020 --> 02:21:12.219
on Twitter? Is any of you guys on Twitter? Because

02:21:12.219 --> 02:21:14.280
in theory, I'm also sending this to Twitter.

02:21:14.379 --> 02:21:15.860
Why do you always say Twitter, by the way? You

02:21:15.860 --> 02:21:19.100
mean Twitch, right? When you said that? No. Are

02:21:19.100 --> 02:21:21.739
you actually streaming to Twitter? Yeah. X and

02:21:21.739 --> 02:21:26.110
Twitch. Yep. Okay. i was always curious like

02:21:26.110 --> 02:21:27.569
why do you always say twitter and i thought it

02:21:27.569 --> 02:21:29.729
was a type like a verbal typo yeah i'm an old

02:21:29.729 --> 02:21:33.670
man i refuse to call it x it's nah no i'm cool

02:21:33.670 --> 02:21:35.209
with that i'm cool with dead naming twitter or

02:21:35.209 --> 02:21:38.350
whatever but i just didn't know like if you were

02:21:38.350 --> 02:21:40.149
talking about twitch because i only see on the

02:21:40.149 --> 02:21:42.469
screen it says you got twitch and youtube going

02:21:42.469 --> 02:21:45.549
i don't know yeah it's going to twitch and it's

02:21:45.549 --> 02:21:50.270
going to um twitter or x yep now rumble and everything

02:21:50.270 --> 02:21:53.620
you got But let's see if you, did you guys hear

02:21:53.620 --> 02:21:55.780
your screens as well? I do have my screen shared.

02:21:55.899 --> 02:21:57.719
Let me see if you can just see it though. Hold

02:21:57.719 --> 02:22:01.139
on. Okay. I'm going to try it right now. Let's

02:22:01.139 --> 02:22:02.639
see. Let's see. I'm going to switch to them.

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So this is, who is this? This is Tony. Okay.

02:22:07.559 --> 02:22:10.180
Yeah. Looks good. Looks pretty good. Now let's

02:22:10.180 --> 02:22:14.020
take a look at Henry Hendricks screen. Okay.

02:22:14.139 --> 02:22:17.860
Yo, look at the wedge term. Yo, we got the class

02:22:17.860 --> 02:22:22.149
right there. i'm excited for this look at the

02:22:22.149 --> 02:22:23.969
new tmux hype look at that super minimal deep

02:22:23.969 --> 02:22:27.110
loaded look at that oh yeah no plugins no plugins

02:22:27.110 --> 02:22:30.790
for the theme well you can use plugins but they're

02:22:30.790 --> 02:22:34.989
not necessary to create the look love it okay

02:22:34.989 --> 02:22:39.469
i think all of your audios are good um where

02:22:39.469 --> 02:22:41.989
the hell is sylvan do you have a link to this

02:22:41.989 --> 02:22:43.870
or can i just let me just go to your channel

02:22:43.870 --> 02:22:46.569
hold on i don't need you to give me a link be

02:22:46.569 --> 02:22:48.590
funny if he started the live stream now on his

02:22:48.590 --> 02:22:53.610
channel That would be hilarious. What would be

02:22:53.610 --> 02:22:56.569
more funny is if he thought it was a different

02:22:56.569 --> 02:22:59.149
time because of the same thing that I got with

02:22:59.149 --> 02:23:02.530
the user error. It was user error, though. It

02:23:02.530 --> 02:23:08.829
could be. Or maybe he's taking a shower or something

02:23:08.829 --> 02:23:17.219
and he got excited. Yeah. Well, we can just start

02:23:17.219 --> 02:23:18.700
without him and do like a little bit of a three

02:23:18.700 --> 02:23:21.079
-way segment if you want until he joins. Yeah,

02:23:21.120 --> 02:23:22.500
that's good with me. Or we can give him some

02:23:22.500 --> 02:23:25.700
time if you want. It's your call. Yeah, let's

02:23:25.700 --> 02:23:28.719
give him, what time is it? 3 .09, or I guess

02:23:28.719 --> 02:23:35.360
it'd be 4 .09 your time. Yeah, let's wait five

02:23:35.360 --> 02:23:38.440
minutes. It's okay. We have chat here anyway,

02:23:38.719 --> 02:23:41.739
right? Yeah, let me look at the chat. This, this.

02:23:42.540 --> 02:23:45.579
My screen. I hope that you guys are audible in

02:23:45.579 --> 02:23:49.840
all the different scenes. This is my screen.

02:23:50.899 --> 02:23:55.040
Can you guys hear me there? Yeah, I'm going to

02:23:55.040 --> 02:23:57.680
test one, two, three. I can hear me and you on

02:23:57.680 --> 02:24:01.319
that scene. Oh, here? What about you, Hendrik?

02:24:01.440 --> 02:24:05.479
Can you hear us? Yes, perfectly. Okay, I think

02:24:05.479 --> 02:24:07.620
you brought up your volume a little bit too high

02:24:07.620 --> 02:24:11.940
now, Hendrik. Okay, how's it now? Oh, it's good.

02:24:12.360 --> 02:24:15.200
good i think i brought it up here up a little

02:24:15.200 --> 02:24:18.579
bit are you having a beer tony uh no it's a coffee

02:24:18.579 --> 02:24:23.899
man i'm not as cool as you i'm having water though

02:24:23.899 --> 02:24:26.780
yeah i have that too just in case you never know

02:24:26.780 --> 02:24:32.379
but uh water i mean for you it makes sense because

02:24:32.379 --> 02:24:34.360
it's like what nine something 10 p .m or something

02:24:34.360 --> 02:24:37.239
like that out there no it's like midnight for

02:24:37.239 --> 02:24:41.760
me are you serious yeah that's baller dude yeah

02:24:41.760 --> 02:24:44.379
i'm a bit tired honestly but um you know i thought

02:24:44.379 --> 02:24:46.639
fuck it uh there's not always going to be an

02:24:46.639 --> 02:24:48.639
opportunity to do this kind of thing if you had

02:24:48.639 --> 02:24:50.000
coffee right now that you wouldn't be able to

02:24:50.000 --> 02:24:54.860
sleep right yeah exactly so i tried to uh do

02:24:54.860 --> 02:24:58.340
a lot of caffeine around the afternoon and i

02:24:58.340 --> 02:25:00.200
hope that i'll be able to sleep later but uh

02:25:00.200 --> 02:25:03.639
let's see about that yeah i might need to jump

02:25:03.639 --> 02:25:07.319
a bit earlier today uh like around maybe 2 a

02:25:07.319 --> 02:25:10.270
.m for me like maximum two hours Just because

02:25:10.270 --> 02:25:12.370
otherwise I'm going to be completely fried tomorrow

02:25:12.370 --> 02:25:14.969
at work and not be able to do anything. Oh, yeah,

02:25:15.010 --> 02:25:17.569
that's fine, man. Oh, yeah, we're live on Twitter.

02:25:18.170 --> 02:25:20.850
I just checked right now as well, and we're live.

02:25:21.290 --> 02:25:23.790
If Silvan doesn't join, we're going to do it,

02:25:23.850 --> 02:25:27.850
the three of us. He can join later. I don't even

02:25:27.850 --> 02:25:31.670
know if he remembers if it's today or what, but

02:25:31.670 --> 02:25:33.850
it's fine. I'll just ping him on Discord. I'm

02:25:33.850 --> 02:25:35.510
sure you guys already pinged him, right? I'll

02:25:35.510 --> 02:25:39.340
set you up. It seems... that he's offline what

02:25:39.340 --> 02:25:42.620
is going on with that neary i don't even want

02:25:42.620 --> 02:25:44.280
to show that on stream but what's up with that

02:25:44.280 --> 02:25:46.680
neary video you sent bro where did you find that

02:25:46.680 --> 02:25:52.100
corn hub the one i sent yeah where'd you find

02:25:52.100 --> 02:25:53.899
that man like did you just search youtube for

02:25:53.899 --> 02:25:56.559
neary and it just popped up yeah exactly you

02:25:56.559 --> 02:25:59.520
know when um for chat also to to follow along

02:25:59.520 --> 02:26:03.879
like before we we went live link Link sent the

02:26:03.879 --> 02:26:05.719
agenda for what we're going to talk about today,

02:26:05.860 --> 02:26:09.280
some bullet points. And one of them is Niri,

02:26:09.420 --> 02:26:12.780
the tiling window manager. And I had no idea

02:26:12.780 --> 02:26:15.239
what it was, so I looked it up on YouTube. And

02:26:15.239 --> 02:26:17.260
I don't know if you can share that right now,

02:26:17.340 --> 02:26:21.819
but I found a video which supposedly explains

02:26:21.819 --> 02:26:26.139
what it is, but it was kind of like an AI girl

02:26:26.139 --> 02:26:31.500
or AI woman that explains what it is, but extremely

02:26:31.500 --> 02:26:34.680
poorly without showing it. bad lip sync i have

02:26:34.680 --> 02:26:37.500
no idea where everything was off yeah yeah like

02:26:37.500 --> 02:26:40.040
who makes these videos who benefits from this

02:26:40.040 --> 02:26:43.059
i i don't know but i i feel like if if the marketing

02:26:43.059 --> 02:26:44.979
for that was supposed to be going for that we

02:26:44.979 --> 02:26:48.760
could just hire an actress right i mean i don't

02:26:48.760 --> 02:26:52.680
know what that was about yeah but um our ai overlords

02:26:52.680 --> 02:26:58.120
let's see take a look at this guys this is something

02:26:58.120 --> 02:27:00.600
that i've been working on today okay you're back

02:27:00.600 --> 02:27:04.579
into the workflow engineer hype yeah loading

02:27:04.579 --> 02:27:07.760
windows never ends it just never ends man it's

02:27:07.760 --> 02:27:11.120
just uh it never freaking do you have covet on

02:27:11.120 --> 02:27:13.100
speed dial or like every time he updates like

02:27:13.100 --> 02:27:15.180
do you get rss feed when he makes an update to

02:27:15.180 --> 02:27:18.059
kitty and then you just get the latest in a snap

02:27:18.059 --> 02:27:21.559
or a flat pack uh the only thing that i was concerned

02:27:21.559 --> 02:27:24.239
or interested in was sessions and he just sent

02:27:24.239 --> 02:27:26.299
me an email but other than that i don't keep

02:27:26.299 --> 02:27:29.280
track of other what other features ghosty has

02:27:29.280 --> 02:27:29.979
you know