WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.059 My Pycom allows me to move things really smoothly. 00:00:04.419 --> 00:00:09.460 Oh, and it feels smooth. Like you said, the animation. 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:13.960 I don't see screen tearing. No, no. It's really 00:00:13.960 --> 00:00:18.219 smooth. What is Pycom then? So Pycom is a compositor, 00:00:18.219 --> 00:00:21.719 okay? That's where you lose me. I have heard 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:24.300 that word like a hundred times. I don't know 00:00:24.300 --> 00:00:27.589 what it is. So Tony is asking. We'd love to hear 00:00:27.589 --> 00:00:32.229 Drew's thoughts on butter notes. I think he's 00:00:32.229 --> 00:00:34.929 trolling me just a little bit. My terminal of 00:00:34.929 --> 00:00:37.329 choice, which used to be ghosty, is now Wes's 00:00:37.329 --> 00:00:41.649 term. Let's talk about that. Okay. Was it hype? 00:00:41.990 --> 00:00:44.210 You're in a safe space. You can say it here. 00:00:44.689 --> 00:00:47.729 How does the saying go? You cannot teach an old... 00:00:47.869 --> 00:00:50.670 an old dog new tricks or how is it maybe i i 00:00:50.670 --> 00:00:53.350 think i have the potential to do better than 00:00:53.350 --> 00:00:55.570 what i currently am and i i'm just going to switch 00:00:55.570 --> 00:01:00.049 these between these two okay but i in in my configuration 00:01:00.049 --> 00:01:06.489 if i hit um uh super shift l it actually tells 00:01:06.489 --> 00:01:09.010 me all the layouts that i have you know what 00:01:09.010 --> 00:01:11.689 i don't want that in my stack i can either drag 00:01:11.689 --> 00:01:14.950 it away from the stack and then either resize 00:01:14.950 --> 00:01:17.980 it or something like that Free and open source 00:01:17.980 --> 00:01:21.480 software sometimes needs our help. It's like 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:24.299 there is a, you know, when you find something 00:01:24.299 --> 00:01:26.879 that you really like, I think you should either, 00:01:26.939 --> 00:01:29.700 you should contribute in some way to the project, 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:31.640 I think. If you're listening to this as a podcast, 00:01:31.879 --> 00:01:33.840 remember that it was originally recorded as a 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:35.700 video. If you're not following along, you can 00:01:35.700 --> 00:01:37.760 go to my YouTube channel. My username is Linkarzu. 00:01:37.900 --> 00:01:39.840 And if you want to support me to keep this podcast 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:42.359 going, you can donate in Ko -fi. I'm going to 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:44.319 leave a link in the description. All right. So 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:47.670 let's get started with this chapter then. We're 00:01:47.670 --> 00:01:51.969 live on the three platforms. Wow. Hey, Drew. 00:01:52.549 --> 00:01:56.349 Hey. How's it going, man? It's going well, thank 00:01:56.349 --> 00:01:59.290 you. How about yourself? I'm doing good as well. 00:01:59.489 --> 00:02:05.489 Friday evening, I don't do much anymore. It didn't 00:02:05.489 --> 00:02:07.390 used to be the case. You're so old, man. You're 00:02:07.390 --> 00:02:11.509 so old. Yeah, I'm getting old. Oh, my. I just 00:02:11.509 --> 00:02:14.969 do boring stuff. I don't drink anymore and any 00:02:14.969 --> 00:02:18.889 of that. Thank you for being here, Drew. Really 00:02:18.889 --> 00:02:21.349 appreciate it. It's cool. I'm happy to be here. 00:02:21.650 --> 00:02:26.150 Yeah, thanks. So I watched you on Matt's podcast, 00:02:26.530 --> 00:02:31.009 right? And I saw that DistroTube did a shout 00:02:31.009 --> 00:02:34.289 out as well. Did he? I didn't even, oh, wait. 00:02:34.729 --> 00:02:37.889 Like on his channel? On his channel. I didn't 00:02:37.889 --> 00:02:40.879 remember that or wasn't aware of it. Yeah, so 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:44.340 that you could reach 10 ,000 subscribers. Oh, 00:02:44.340 --> 00:02:46.460 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You remember that? 00:02:46.740 --> 00:02:50.580 Yeah, I do. No, I do. Okay. We have Tony in the 00:02:50.580 --> 00:02:54.259 chat as well. Hey, Tony. So I see all these kids 00:02:54.259 --> 00:02:57.919 talking about distros. And they talk about Arch. 00:02:58.159 --> 00:03:01.099 They talk about Gen 2. They talk about Knicks. 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:04.879 And they fight between them. You know, it's like 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:09.500 little groups, you know. And I just see you sitting 00:03:09.500 --> 00:03:13.800 there. Like a wise man, you know, just chilling 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:17.479 with Debian. I'm stinking old. Is that what you're 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:21.479 trying to say? No, you're a wise man. You're 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:27.159 wise. And I don't feel like, I don't know, excited 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:33.300 to daily drive Arch or Nix or anything like that 00:03:33.300 --> 00:03:36.060 or Gentoo, not even Gentoo. I don't even feel 00:03:36.060 --> 00:03:39.639 like remotely, you know. uh interested in trying 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:43.620 gen 2 and uh i see that you're using debian and 00:03:43.620 --> 00:03:46.919 everyone around you know in the community that 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:50.180 you're on i think is talking about other distros 00:03:50.180 --> 00:03:55.840 why why debian like yeah i mean it's not like 00:03:55.840 --> 00:03:58.360 i haven't tried anything else you know i have 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:01.000 i've tried arch i've tried a number of other 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:05.099 things i think i my first distro was uh linux 00:04:05.099 --> 00:04:08.250 mint which isn't that far away from Debian, but 00:04:08.250 --> 00:04:13.409 still, I've made the rounds, as it were. And 00:04:13.409 --> 00:04:16.889 when I started using Debian several years ago, 00:04:17.290 --> 00:04:19.790 it was something that was like, oh, see, this 00:04:19.790 --> 00:04:23.850 is what I'm looking for. It's completely, you 00:04:23.850 --> 00:04:28.149 make what it is. You are the one that is controlling 00:04:28.149 --> 00:04:33.930 everything, basically, much like Arch. But I 00:04:33.930 --> 00:04:37.939 had so many breakage. when I was using Arch. 00:04:38.019 --> 00:04:40.199 And that was probably user error more than anything 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:43.399 else. I was like, oh, let me get this. The fact 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.319 of the matter is, do I need the latest and greatest 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:48.279 software all the time? And the answer is no, 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:51.620 I don't. I just want to get my stuff done. I 00:04:51.620 --> 00:04:57.980 just want to be able to be productive. I think 00:04:57.980 --> 00:05:00.399 that's the bottom line. And I don't want to update 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:03.639 my system, which you don't have to, I mean, if 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:05.420 you're on a different platform or a different 00:05:05.420 --> 00:05:10.620 OS. But, you know, with Debian, the packages 00:05:10.620 --> 00:05:13.639 are sometimes a little bit on the older side. 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:17.540 It has been in the testing branch for basically 00:05:17.540 --> 00:05:21.639 for two years prior to a stable release. And 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:24.560 is that okay? To me it is, because I don't really 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:27.930 care that much about having some... functionality 00:05:27.930 --> 00:05:31.290 that might be one percent or two percent better 00:05:31.290 --> 00:05:35.410 than uh than the newest version so yeah fewer 00:05:35.410 --> 00:05:38.769 updates for me is completely fine because at 00:05:38.769 --> 00:05:41.430 the end of the day if it is an update it's usually 00:05:41.430 --> 00:05:46.829 security focused and is um no not you know less 00:05:46.829 --> 00:05:51.069 experimental and you're going to have basically 00:05:51.069 --> 00:05:56.089 a more hardened operating system because it is 00:05:56.680 --> 00:06:00.920 generally just security focused. Okay. So stability 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:04.019 is the main thing. You don't need to have the 00:06:04.019 --> 00:06:06.220 latest and greatest. And that's what I think 00:06:06.220 --> 00:06:09.259 about as well, you know, because I'm like, why 00:06:09.259 --> 00:06:12.259 do people use Arch? Do I really need the latest 00:06:12.259 --> 00:06:15.240 packages? And I ask myself, why would I need 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:17.439 the latest packages? Of course, if there's a 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:19.740 feature, let's say that OBS releases a feature 00:06:19.740 --> 00:06:24.579 that I want to try, okay, would make sense. But 00:06:24.579 --> 00:06:27.949 yeah. I mean, there is flat packs. I'm not a 00:06:27.949 --> 00:06:31.689 big fan, to be honest with you. Like I said before, 00:06:31.769 --> 00:06:34.589 I kind of generally stick to what is in the Debian 00:06:34.589 --> 00:06:39.449 stable packages. There are exceptions, though. 00:06:39.670 --> 00:06:43.629 Like which ones? So NeoVim is one. And again, 00:06:43.870 --> 00:06:50.470 I'm going to say NeoVim. I have a repo at CodeBurg 00:06:50.470 --> 00:06:54.449 where it has my NeoVim config. It also has a... 00:06:54.860 --> 00:07:00.139 brand, well, the newest Debian package for NeoVim. 00:07:00.220 --> 00:07:02.920 So if anyone wants to go there, they can actually 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:06.939 download that Debian, that dev package and install 00:07:06.939 --> 00:07:13.540 0 .11 .4, which is the newest release of NeoVim. 00:07:13.779 --> 00:07:16.980 Whereas if you are trying to get it from the 00:07:16.980 --> 00:07:20.939 Debian packages, it's 0 .10 .something right 00:07:20.939 --> 00:07:26.040 now. If you want something 0 .11 or better, you're 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:28.519 going to either have to crunch it yourself or 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:31.079 you can go to my repo and just download it and 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:34.920 it's right there. Because I had an interview 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:37.319 with Tony. You know Tony because he was on Mads. 00:07:37.339 --> 00:07:38.980 Yeah, Tony's in the chat too. Yeah, Tony's in 00:07:38.980 --> 00:07:41.680 the chat. And he said that he doesn't like Debian 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:46.000 because he has to build any of them from source. 00:07:47.069 --> 00:07:49.310 He didn't know about this package that you have. 00:07:49.430 --> 00:07:52.089 So would you say that is a skill issue on his 00:07:52.089 --> 00:07:56.870 side? Maybe he just wasn't aware that I had it. 00:07:56.910 --> 00:08:00.329 Then again, you know, some people, it's like 00:08:00.329 --> 00:08:03.790 if I say sudo apt install NeoVim, it's not going 00:08:03.790 --> 00:08:07.350 to give him what he's looking for. And that sometimes 00:08:07.350 --> 00:08:10.310 is challenging for people. It's like, I don't 00:08:10.310 --> 00:08:12.129 want this version. I want the better, you know, 00:08:12.129 --> 00:08:15.370 the later version. And I get that. I get that. 00:08:15.430 --> 00:08:20.149 It happens. Only for me, you know, with me, only 00:08:20.149 --> 00:08:23.509 for a few things. I only want like NeoVim is 00:08:23.509 --> 00:08:26.689 maybe the exception rather than the rule. Yep. 00:08:26.769 --> 00:08:31.550 That is actually one of the few packages that 00:08:31.550 --> 00:08:35.700 I would like to have on the latest version. Yeah, 00:08:35.740 --> 00:08:39.080 there's usually new features, and I do test them. 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:42.919 Like there's NeoVim 12. Is that the latest one, 00:08:43.019 --> 00:08:43.980 the one that is going to be released? If you're 00:08:43.980 --> 00:08:47.419 a dev, then yes. But if you're just using stable, 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:50.720 it's 0 .11 .4 as of today, as a matter of fact. 00:08:50.779 --> 00:08:53.379 I go back and periodically look to make sure 00:08:53.379 --> 00:08:56.610 that I have the... The newest stable branch. 00:08:57.090 --> 00:08:59.809 Yeah. I'm still on 11, but there's a feature 00:08:59.809 --> 00:09:03.210 in 12 that I want to try out, but I don't install 00:09:03.210 --> 00:09:07.450 it. I always run stable as well. There are exceptions. 00:09:07.629 --> 00:09:12.409 I did it with Ghosty because I wanted the cursor, 00:09:12.549 --> 00:09:14.809 and it was only available in the nightly version 00:09:14.809 --> 00:09:17.690 before it was released, so I just installed the 00:09:17.690 --> 00:09:19.730 nightly version, but I usually don't do that. 00:09:19.830 --> 00:09:25.110 I just run stable versions as well. Right. What 00:09:25.110 --> 00:09:28.990 are your thoughts on flat packs and app images? 00:09:29.269 --> 00:09:34.629 I don't use them generally. Again, there's going 00:09:34.629 --> 00:09:37.889 to be an exception here and there. Flat packs, 00:09:37.950 --> 00:09:42.440 rather, no. I don't use any of them. But I have 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:47.360 used an app image for the Zen browser, as a matter 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:49.779 of fact, is one of the things I've been kind 00:09:49.779 --> 00:09:53.659 of like looking at to potentially use more of. 00:09:53.940 --> 00:09:58.320 And that for Debian is in an app image, I think, 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:01.220 or as well. But I'm not I could be wrong about 00:10:01.220 --> 00:10:04.940 that. So, yeah, I mean, there's been a few things 00:10:04.940 --> 00:10:09.870 that I've tried in as an app image, but. That's, 00:10:09.870 --> 00:10:13.029 like I said, that's maybe one. At the very most, 00:10:13.090 --> 00:10:16.210 right now on my machine, there's one. And that's 00:10:16.210 --> 00:10:19.570 the Zen browser. Do you have anything against 00:10:19.570 --> 00:10:23.649 app images or flat packs? No, no. I just don't 00:10:23.649 --> 00:10:27.789 see the need for me. Like I said before, the 00:10:27.789 --> 00:10:33.990 packages that are in the Debian repos are tried 00:10:33.990 --> 00:10:38.100 and true. They're tested to, you know. for years 00:10:38.100 --> 00:10:40.539 sometimes before they make it into the stable 00:10:40.539 --> 00:10:45.159 branch. I rarely, like I said, need to go outside 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:48.159 of that. Like, for example, a lot of people say, 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:52.360 I need the latest version of OBS. And I don't 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:54.100 want to say I'm a content creator because that's 00:10:54.100 --> 00:10:58.139 just way overstating. I have a YouTube channel. 00:10:58.340 --> 00:11:00.679 A content creator is not what I do for a living. 00:11:00.779 --> 00:11:04.549 You know what I'm saying? I use the OBS that's 00:11:04.549 --> 00:11:08.070 just part of the Debian stable packages, and 00:11:08.070 --> 00:11:12.149 it's fine. Works well? Yeah, it's fine. I barely 00:11:12.149 --> 00:11:19.610 edit my videos anyway. I have the most convoluted 00:11:19.610 --> 00:11:22.450 way to actually edit my videos. It's ridiculous. 00:11:22.570 --> 00:11:26.769 I don't use Kdenlive. I don't use anything that 00:11:26.769 --> 00:11:31.629 actually clips or edits my videos. we'll do like, 00:11:31.669 --> 00:11:34.029 this is, and you didn't ask this question, but 00:11:34.029 --> 00:11:37.549 I'm going to answer it anyway. I'll record like 00:11:37.549 --> 00:11:40.690 a snippet and I'm like, okay, that's cool. You 00:11:40.690 --> 00:11:42.809 know, that's a good, that's a good 45 seconds 00:11:42.809 --> 00:11:46.090 that I can just stop. Okay. And then I'll have 00:11:46.090 --> 00:11:49.090 like, you know, even if it's a 15, 20, 25 minute 00:11:49.090 --> 00:11:52.110 video, you know, I'll have all these snippets 00:11:52.110 --> 00:11:56.029 and then in command line, I just merge them as 00:11:56.029 --> 00:11:59.149 one file and upload them. Like that's, that's 00:11:59.149 --> 00:12:03.620 the extent. I use MKV merge and command line, 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:07.840 and that's the extent of my editing or how I 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:10.659 build my YouTube videos. And isn't it too difficult 00:12:10.659 --> 00:12:14.419 to keep track? Okay, so this segment goes first, 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:17.600 then this one, this one, this one. My naming 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:22.059 convention is 1 .MKV, 2 .MKV, and that's it. 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:24.899 That's, like I said. And if I have to switch 00:12:24.899 --> 00:12:28.059 them, I just say, oh, no, no, no. Three is now 00:12:28.059 --> 00:12:31.320 two, and two is now three. Okay. Makes sense. 00:12:31.500 --> 00:12:33.519 Makes sense. Okay. So you don't need it. I'm 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:36.179 the worst when it comes to it. I don't want to 00:12:36.179 --> 00:12:39.299 do it, but I'll just like, if I can do one command, 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:43.259 actually, I built a bash script that just looks 00:12:43.259 --> 00:12:46.779 at that one directory. And if it sees one, two, 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:51.120 three, four, and so on .mkv, it just like strings 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:53.580 it all together and boom, I'm done. It just says 00:12:53.580 --> 00:12:58.440 output .mkv is here and it gets uploaded to YouTube. 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:02.659 That's pretty awesome, actually, because it saves 00:13:02.659 --> 00:13:05.340 you a lot of time, I guess. Do you usually re 00:13:05.340 --> 00:13:08.440 -record clips or you get them on the first shot? 00:13:08.879 --> 00:13:11.519 No. No? No. You don't worry about it too much? 00:13:11.740 --> 00:13:16.259 No, no. Listen, a lot of people are like, you 00:13:16.259 --> 00:13:20.659 know, I do it for fun. That's truly the only 00:13:20.659 --> 00:13:25.940 reason. In fact, I was hesitant to even have 00:13:25.940 --> 00:13:30.769 like... Or to join the ad. I don't even know, 00:13:30.889 --> 00:13:34.470 dude. The ad thing where you actually can make 00:13:34.470 --> 00:13:37.149 money on YouTube. I didn't do it for two years. 00:13:37.330 --> 00:13:42.190 I had no desire to make anything on YouTube. 00:13:42.370 --> 00:13:45.049 In fact, I felt a little weird about it because 00:13:45.049 --> 00:13:48.710 that just implies that my content is worth anything. 00:13:49.380 --> 00:13:53.159 anything at all so why it's like it's just there 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:56.399 for my enjoyment more than anything else why 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:00.080 do i feel like i need to um you know make make 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:02.480 anything from which i barely make anything it's 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:04.200 not like i have a massive channel or anything 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:06.639 like that but at the end of the day does it you 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:09.600 know it is truly for my own entertainment for 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:13.899 for fun for me yeah that's awesome and the audience 00:14:13.899 --> 00:14:17.159 can can feel that you know because when you start 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:20.799 just Focusing on ads and trying to sell them 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:23.220 stuff, they feel it. And I don't like it too 00:14:23.220 --> 00:14:26.220 much either. What are your thoughts on sponsorships, 00:14:26.220 --> 00:14:30.100 by the way? No, I'm not doing that. No, never 00:14:30.100 --> 00:14:34.740 taking any sponsorships? No, no. Listen, I'm 00:14:34.740 --> 00:14:39.080 not DT. I'm not going to have a quarter of a 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:42.279 million subscribers to my channel and stuff like 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:44.419 that. In fact, when I hit 10 ,000, like you were 00:14:44.419 --> 00:14:48.440 just... describing it's like i felt weird it 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:50.600 felt really weird i don't know what it is now 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:54.940 it's a 10 -5 or something like that um 10 -5 00:14:54.940 --> 00:14:59.840 yeah yeah it just felt weird like like okay i'm 00:14:59.840 --> 00:15:03.240 done you know i'm just i don't want the pressure 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:07.379 of trying to do anything uh beyond that because 00:15:07.379 --> 00:15:10.419 i it's like i said i you know i think that there 00:15:10.419 --> 00:15:14.720 um there are There are people that do this and 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:17.259 they're like, don't forget to subscribe and hit 00:15:17.259 --> 00:15:21.659 that like, but I never do that. When it comes 00:15:21.659 --> 00:15:25.399 right down to it, I will say, hey, thanks for 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:29.100 subscribing. Appreciate you. It's really, really 00:15:29.100 --> 00:15:32.539 a blessing. But overall, I don't care if people 00:15:32.539 --> 00:15:35.840 subscribe or hit the thumbs up or anything like 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:39.990 that. Okay, so the OG, it's legit stuff. Then 00:15:39.990 --> 00:15:44.549 what we see here is, so you have 118 videos, 00:15:44.909 --> 00:15:49.049 okay? 10 ,000 subscribers. Yeah, three years 00:15:49.049 --> 00:15:53.230 ago. Three years ago. Yeah. Okay, and let's see. 00:15:53.289 --> 00:15:56.570 What are your most popular videos? That's a good 00:15:56.570 --> 00:16:00.570 question. Debian, Hyperlink. Debian Install, 00:16:00.889 --> 00:16:04.610 probably. Yeah, Debian Bookworm installed, minimally 00:16:04.610 --> 00:16:08.590 installed two years ago. Hyperland. That's weird. 00:16:09.129 --> 00:16:15.149 Hyperland. Okay. Yeah. So do you focus just in 00:16:15.149 --> 00:16:18.509 Debian, or do you explore other distros? Do you 00:16:18.509 --> 00:16:22.990 distro hop? I never do. When I first started 00:16:22.990 --> 00:16:25.309 the channel, I thought to myself, I'm not going 00:16:25.309 --> 00:16:27.830 to be the guy that actually does distro reviews. 00:16:29.090 --> 00:16:33.090 I'm a believer in Debian. Like I said, I do this 00:16:33.090 --> 00:16:36.419 for myself. I would never pretend to like go 00:16:36.419 --> 00:16:39.419 and say, yeah, I really like, I think it's a 00:16:39.419 --> 00:16:42.559 waste of my time. It's just a way to me. It's 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:45.559 just a waste of my time to, to do those, you 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.139 know, to do those videos. I would much rather 00:16:48.139 --> 00:16:51.960 put more effort into something like a window 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:55.059 manager, like Q tile or DWM or, or things, or 00:16:55.059 --> 00:16:59.779 the scripting that I've done in the last, especially 00:16:59.779 --> 00:17:03.820 in the last, like six months to a year. You know, 00:17:03.860 --> 00:17:06.799 I've done a lot more scripting and project building. 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:12.039 You know, it's like, here is my project called 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:15.900 Butter Bash. And it's to basically kind of create 00:17:15.900 --> 00:17:21.359 your own more modular Bash RC experience with 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:24.180 a lot of aliases and functionality and stuff 00:17:24.180 --> 00:17:27.559 like that. And then I have all of these window 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:32.799 managers that I love and have them in an install. 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:39.259 script with my theming and everything fully like 00:17:39.259 --> 00:17:42.240 so like if you have debian minimal and you run 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:45.500 one of my scripts to install dwm for example 00:17:45.500 --> 00:17:48.259 which is what i'm running right here it's going 00:17:48.259 --> 00:17:52.460 to be exactly the way it looks on my screen now 00:17:52.460 --> 00:17:56.200 let me ask you something and this is something 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:59.839 that i wonder myself as well why going through 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:06.759 all this why um need to optimize our workflow 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:09.400 that much i'm not i'm not sure well it seems 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:14.400 that you're the exact same way but um i try to 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:16.700 optimize everything i also have an install script 00:18:16.700 --> 00:18:20.200 it deploys my mac installs all my applications 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:23.920 download my dot files everything so i just run 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:27.519 that script and it setups the mac for me and 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:30.660 uh why do you go through all this like because 00:18:30.660 --> 00:18:34.980 it It takes away a lot of time. So what's the 00:18:34.980 --> 00:18:39.059 reason? I think it's a little fun. It's very 00:18:39.059 --> 00:18:44.200 geeky, very nerdy. But when I first started the 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:47.099 channel, I was like, I need a name. Just a guy. 00:18:47.700 --> 00:18:51.559 Just a guy. I am truly just a guy. I have no 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:55.119 background in software. I have worked for software 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:57.279 companies, but I've never been a developer in 00:18:57.279 --> 00:19:02.079 any stretch, way, shape, or form. And so for 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:07.240 me to push myself and be out of my comfort zone 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:11.539 a little bit, which is not scripting, is more 00:19:11.539 --> 00:19:14.519 of a mental exercise and fun for me to try to 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:18.859 learn something new, especially because I'm almost 00:19:18.859 --> 00:19:25.180 60 now. I'll be 60 in a couple months. So it's 00:19:25.180 --> 00:19:27.059 one of those things where it's just like, this 00:19:27.059 --> 00:19:32.779 is cool. I like it. And it's not a stupid use 00:19:32.779 --> 00:19:38.079 of my time. Yeah, it's pretty fun. I like playing 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:42.279 with all this stuff. And what's your background? 00:19:42.619 --> 00:19:46.180 Because you're not a software engineer. Do you 00:19:46.180 --> 00:19:51.539 have any sysadmin -related skills or something? 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:59.549 No. No? No, actually. When I got out of high 00:19:59.549 --> 00:20:07.569 school, I was a soccer player and I played college. 00:20:07.710 --> 00:20:11.529 And during that time, I started coaching as well 00:20:11.529 --> 00:20:14.029 because I was making good money doing coaching 00:20:14.029 --> 00:20:16.549 as well. So I coached a couple of high schools 00:20:16.549 --> 00:20:20.690 and then finally got to coaching college soccer, 00:20:20.890 --> 00:20:24.769 did that for five years. And then at some point 00:20:24.769 --> 00:20:28.569 in my mid to late 20s, Uh, one of these, one 00:20:28.569 --> 00:20:30.490 of these head coaches said, Hey, Drew, can you 00:20:30.490 --> 00:20:33.529 come? And I've got a brand new team, got a lot 00:20:33.529 --> 00:20:36.549 of freshmen on my team. This is a college. And, 00:20:36.549 --> 00:20:39.049 uh, and I need somebody to come in and like, 00:20:39.089 --> 00:20:42.029 help me. And I said, sure. I said, I haven't, 00:20:42.029 --> 00:20:44.170 I don't have my degree yet. Can you like hook 00:20:44.170 --> 00:20:46.690 me up with the like classes and stuff like that 00:20:46.690 --> 00:20:49.410 to finish my degree? So I was end up like I was 00:20:49.410 --> 00:20:54.740 26 or seven when I actually ended up, um, with 00:20:54.740 --> 00:20:57.220 my degree, which was an information systems, 00:20:57.299 --> 00:21:00.960 which is more of a business, um, uh, a business 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:04.480 type of degree than anything else. Um, so I ended 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:07.660 up though working for a software company, which 00:21:07.660 --> 00:21:09.720 is a civil, civil engineering software company, 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:14.940 very heavily into, uh, building, uh, in the Microsoft 00:21:14.940 --> 00:21:18.579 development network. And, um, and so I went to 00:21:18.579 --> 00:21:22.910 Redmond, I met the guys out at the, um, I met 00:21:22.910 --> 00:21:26.650 the guys out at Building 51, which is the VBA 00:21:26.650 --> 00:21:31.990 initiative out in Redmond, and went to Vegas 00:21:31.990 --> 00:21:35.789 and did a bunch of demos of software there and 00:21:35.789 --> 00:21:38.730 everything. But my experience is more on the 00:21:38.730 --> 00:21:42.150 business side of it, like director of business 00:21:42.150 --> 00:21:44.009 development for the company that I currently 00:21:44.009 --> 00:21:48.829 work for. And so, yeah, I'm kind of tech adjacent, 00:21:48.990 --> 00:21:52.339 if you will. Oh, okay. So it's more in the business 00:21:52.339 --> 00:21:56.799 side of things then? Yeah. Oh, that's awesome, 00:21:56.940 --> 00:21:59.740 man. I thought you were like a sysadmin or something. 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:02.119 No, no. I wish I could say I'm that smart. But 00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:05.019 I happen to be probably, Christian, I'm probably 00:22:05.019 --> 00:22:08.059 the dumbest person on your show up until this 00:22:08.059 --> 00:22:11.500 point. Man, how can you say that? That's rude 00:22:11.500 --> 00:22:16.180 on your side. No, I've seen the heavy hitters 00:22:16.180 --> 00:22:18.980 on your show. I'm going to... I'm going to look 00:22:18.980 --> 00:22:23.119 dumb. All right. No. No, man. Not at all. Not 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:26.539 at all. Now, what are your thoughts on Nix? Have 00:22:26.539 --> 00:22:29.940 you used Nix? No. No. I have got a lot of friends, 00:22:30.180 --> 00:22:33.559 Matt included. Matt, who is the Linux cast. And 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:37.579 one of the guys that's in part of Matt's community, 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:41.539 this guy Donald, who calls himself Ddubs, is 00:22:41.539 --> 00:22:45.539 such a good dude. And we exchange ideas all the 00:22:45.539 --> 00:22:48.880 time. We talk about documentation. And things 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:51.119 like that, because I'm you know, I think that 00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:53.000 one of the things that's kind of underserved 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:55.900 is when we actually have these projects that 00:22:55.900 --> 00:22:59.579 we're working on. A lot of times documentation 00:22:59.579 --> 00:23:03.400 is like the last thing we think about. And for 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:08.119 anybody who's like trying to like use the stuff 00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:11.079 that we've built, they need to actually be like 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:15.059 guided. So but now Nix is not something that 00:23:15.059 --> 00:23:18.859 I have. even attempted to try or anything like 00:23:18.859 --> 00:23:21.900 that. I stick with what I'm good at. And so, 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:27.980 no. Oh, okay. Yeah. I have thought about which 00:23:27.980 --> 00:23:30.900 Linux distro to try. And to be honest with you, 00:23:31.019 --> 00:23:33.400 Debian is the one that I want to give a try. 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:38.579 I installed Arch and there's a lot of stuff that 00:23:38.579 --> 00:23:43.279 I don't know. I have a question as well for you. 00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:46.579 On this new one that is coming out, you probably 00:23:46.579 --> 00:23:50.059 know which one. It is a very popular distro created 00:23:50.059 --> 00:23:53.119 by this guy, DHH. Do you have any thoughts there? 00:23:53.940 --> 00:23:58.059 Omarchi. Omarchi, that one. Yeah. You're in a 00:23:58.059 --> 00:24:00.279 safe space. You can see it here. He's not even 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:02.539 going to watch this. I don't know enough about 00:24:02.539 --> 00:24:06.180 it. I would be really silly if I decided to have 00:24:06.180 --> 00:24:08.160 an opinion on something I don't know anything 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:13.000 about. From what I have... what i'm aware of 00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:17.579 it's an arch based scripting you know he's basically 00:24:17.579 --> 00:24:21.519 scripted up arch to install like hyperland and 00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:24.920 and other things as well i that's my like i said 00:24:24.920 --> 00:24:29.380 that's what i think but again i don't know um 00:24:29.380 --> 00:24:33.380 and i don't use hyperland so that's not something 00:24:33.380 --> 00:24:35.529 that i've been That I would be like thinking 00:24:35.529 --> 00:24:38.430 about it all. I use old stuff. Like I say, I'm 00:24:38.430 --> 00:24:40.349 like a really old, so I use old stuff, right? 00:24:40.869 --> 00:24:43.990 And that's something that I want to ask you as 00:24:43.990 --> 00:24:46.589 well. Hyperland, I don't understand all of that 00:24:46.589 --> 00:24:50.769 fancy medical lingo that you guys talk about. 00:24:50.829 --> 00:24:54.250 I don't understand XOR, Hyperland. And Brody 00:24:54.250 --> 00:24:57.349 has explained it. DistroTube, Matt have explained 00:24:57.349 --> 00:25:00.490 it. And it just, you know, goes right over. I 00:25:00.490 --> 00:25:03.410 don't understand. What do you use as the window 00:25:03.410 --> 00:25:07.589 manager then? So my window manager, like I said, 00:25:07.650 --> 00:25:09.970 I have a bunch of projects that I've, in fact, 00:25:09.970 --> 00:25:12.710 there was one script during Bookworm, Debian 00:25:12.710 --> 00:25:15.970 Bookworm, which was 12, that would install up 00:25:15.970 --> 00:25:21.450 to nine different window managers. But my base 00:25:21.450 --> 00:25:26.410 is DWM. I use DWM. I don't know if you know anything 00:25:26.410 --> 00:25:30.309 about DWM, but basically it is... It's a super 00:25:30.309 --> 00:25:35.569 lightweight window manager. It's built by these 00:25:35.569 --> 00:25:40.250 guys called the Suckless Tools guys. And the 00:25:40.250 --> 00:25:43.849 one thing that's interesting about DWM is that 00:25:43.849 --> 00:25:49.930 the source code is written 2 ,000 lines or lower 00:25:49.930 --> 00:25:54.609 for the entire window manager. But you can add 00:25:54.609 --> 00:26:00.460 functionality by patching it. For my project, 00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:03.359 I have a lot of people that have either forked 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:10.839 my DWM or starred it, I guess. And I use patches 00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:15.279 to make the functionality, like build the functionality 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:20.519 out. So at the end, when you have something like 00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:24.220 DWM that has been patched, you're getting exactly 00:26:24.220 --> 00:26:29.710 what you want. And so I use actually 17 patches 00:26:29.710 --> 00:26:34.589 to actually build out my version of DWM. And 00:26:34.589 --> 00:26:38.130 is there a reason for that? Because one of the 00:26:38.130 --> 00:26:40.390 other ones that I have heard about, which is 00:26:40.390 --> 00:26:44.609 old, as everyone says, it's old, is I3. Is it 00:26:44.609 --> 00:26:49.609 something similar to I3? So I think if you're 00:26:49.609 --> 00:26:52.490 a starting window manager user, first of all, 00:26:52.829 --> 00:26:55.529 I would say if you're not a Linux user, don't 00:26:55.529 --> 00:26:58.069 never start with a window manager. Never. Well, 00:26:58.150 --> 00:27:01.309 I used one in Mac OS. I'm pretty familiar already 00:27:01.309 --> 00:27:06.150 with tiles, stack mode. So I know the terminology. 00:27:06.150 --> 00:27:09.109 I know how they work in Mac OS, which is not 00:27:09.109 --> 00:27:12.190 the same at all on Linux. But I kind of have 00:27:12.190 --> 00:27:18.589 an idea. My go -to window managers for newer 00:27:18.589 --> 00:27:22.059 users, though. And Matt and I fight about this 00:27:22.059 --> 00:27:25.220 all the time. He says I3, like you just said, 00:27:25.380 --> 00:27:30.480 and I say BSPWM. And both of them are, there's 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:34.400 no wrong answer there. There really isn't. DWM 00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:37.259 would not be my starting window manager because, 00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:43.950 but BSPWM is solid. just so solid and i have 00:27:43.950 --> 00:27:47.450 a like a really nice config for bspwm the thing 00:27:47.450 --> 00:27:49.950 that's different about you know if you're looking 00:27:49.950 --> 00:27:55.509 at those two things bspwm versus um well let's 00:27:55.509 --> 00:27:59.809 let's say versus dwm dwm is written in c okay 00:27:59.809 --> 00:28:02.730 okay and so the configuration looks like it is 00:28:02.730 --> 00:28:07.109 written in c bspwm uses basically basically a 00:28:07.109 --> 00:28:12.019 bash script okay or for its configuration and 00:28:12.019 --> 00:28:15.059 that's it i mean it does everything you know 00:28:15.059 --> 00:28:19.680 i think my i think my configuration for bspwm 00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:22.779 is like i don't know less than a less than 100 00:28:22.779 --> 00:28:26.240 lines probably more like 70 you know why do you 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:29.839 go with the wm then and not bspwm which seems 00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:33.119 simpler to set up and configure yeah i mean like 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.559 i said before i get exactly what i want um and 00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:40.900 bspwm is much more modular okay which means that 00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:45.000 You know, you've got the BS PWM or BS, BS PC 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.759 engine. And then if you want a bar, you're going 00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:50.759 to have to add a bar. It does not come with a 00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:53.579 bar. Okay. So you would use something like poly 00:28:53.579 --> 00:28:57.519 bar, for example. Okay. And then if you wanted 00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:00.579 a, well, you're going to have to have a hotkey 00:29:00.579 --> 00:29:03.299 daemon or some type of key binding, and that 00:29:03.299 --> 00:29:05.980 would be SXHKD. So you would have these kind 00:29:05.980 --> 00:29:08.359 of modular things. Oh, I love that. If you want 00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:10.319 some type of notification, then you're going 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.599 to have to use Dunst. And so it's kind of built 00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:15.619 together. That's why I was, sorry, go ahead. 00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:19.440 And that is with BSPWM, right? Yes. Yeah, because 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:22.500 I don't like to have. All of the stuff built 00:29:22.500 --> 00:29:24.900 in. I want to use a different keyboard mapper. 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:27.119 The one that I use in macOS, which is Kanata, 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:30.279 I would like to use that on Linux because I don't 00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:35.160 want to learn a new one. So if BSPWM offers that, 00:29:35.299 --> 00:29:38.940 that is great. It doesn't come built in with 00:29:38.940 --> 00:29:46.680 one already, right? The SXHKD is actually written 00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:52.500 by the same guy who creates BSPWM. Okay. Yeah. 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.059 Okay. Okay. Awesome. It's a completely separate 00:29:56.059 --> 00:29:58.339 file, too. It does not go in the configuration. 00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:03.279 Some people really like the idea of having the 00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:06.259 configuration include all of your key bindings 00:30:06.259 --> 00:30:10.059 as well. BSPWM does not follow that convention 00:30:10.059 --> 00:30:12.759 at all. It just completely separates everything 00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:16.019 out into its own little compartments. Oh, I like 00:30:16.019 --> 00:30:21.119 that. I like that, actually. Okay. Debian. espwm 00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:25.220 okay that seems cool and uh let's go back to 00:30:25.220 --> 00:30:28.819 the youtube channel okay or you know what let's 00:30:28.819 --> 00:30:33.079 let's read um super chats because we have um 00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:35.759 a super chat there i'm gonna be reading this 00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:39.400 every few every few minutes so tony is asking 00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:43.039 big fan of the interviews link appreciate that 00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:46.279 tony would love to hear drew's thoughts on butter 00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:50.480 notes I think he's trolling me just a little 00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:57.200 bit. So Butter Notes is a project that I've been 00:30:57.200 --> 00:30:59.859 working on for months and months and months. 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.200 And I keep telling people, don't use it. It's 00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:05.700 not ready yet. It's not ready yet. It's at Codeburg. 00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:08.519 I can show you maybe later when it's time to 00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:12.240 actually do my demo or what have you. But basically, 00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:17.210 everything is command line. So if I say... You 00:31:17.210 --> 00:31:20.089 know, if I'm taking notes, it's basically a staging 00:31:20.089 --> 00:31:24.269 thing. So I just say note and then write something 00:31:24.269 --> 00:31:28.269 down and it just appends to one file. That's 00:31:28.269 --> 00:31:30.690 all it does, really. That's all it does. So there's 00:31:30.690 --> 00:31:33.490 a note taking where it just kind of appends to 00:31:33.490 --> 00:31:36.509 one file. And then there's a to -do list. You 00:31:36.509 --> 00:31:40.910 want to show it? Not really, but okay. Up to 00:31:40.910 --> 00:31:42.390 you. If you don't want to show it, it's fine. 00:31:43.509 --> 00:31:45.950 Yeah, I'll do it for a few minutes, yeah. Okay, 00:31:45.970 --> 00:31:47.930 okay. Let me know when you're ready. Now switch 00:31:47.930 --> 00:31:49.910 to your screen so we can take a look. Okay, go 00:31:49.910 --> 00:31:54.230 ahead. Okay, here we go. Okay, yeah. So what 00:31:54.230 --> 00:31:57.750 I'm looking at here is my thing. It's called 00:31:57.750 --> 00:32:01.750 Butter Bash. I actually build butter notes on 00:32:01.750 --> 00:32:05.509 top of Butter Bash. And so with my Bash script, 00:32:05.690 --> 00:32:10.390 let me just explain that real quick. All of the 00:32:10.390 --> 00:32:14.509 Bash stuff that I have, It's actually in my .config 00:32:14.509 --> 00:32:18.430 bash. And then there's aliases and FCF and all 00:32:18.430 --> 00:32:20.970 this other stuff. So on top of that, though, 00:32:21.049 --> 00:32:23.210 is this note -taking thing. And I just say B 00:32:23.210 --> 00:32:25.490 because that's the... Let me just go ahead and 00:32:25.490 --> 00:32:31.329 clear the screen. I can't do it. Let's see. There's 00:32:31.329 --> 00:32:33.609 the note -taking thing where it just says, I 00:32:33.609 --> 00:32:40.460 want to enter notes. So I say N. link interview 00:32:40.460 --> 00:32:43.319 and that's in this that's it and so now when 00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:47.559 i list that's the one thing oh i didn't go um 00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:50.799 there again okay so it added it there it is okay 00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:53.759 so basically like i said i'm not really like 00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:56.539 ready for prime time yet but basically what it 00:32:56.539 --> 00:32:59.599 does is it appends to this this one thing and 00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:01.680 then you can go back and review it there's also 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.980 a clipboard function so that when you just have 00:33:04.980 --> 00:33:07.259 something like if you go like i don't know like 00:33:07.259 --> 00:33:10.950 this Okay. And then copy that. And then you hit, 00:33:11.049 --> 00:33:15.849 I have it on a key bind. It's a super shift V 00:33:15.849 --> 00:33:19.589 for paste. It'll say up here where it says clipboard 00:33:19.589 --> 00:33:22.450 save to notes. Okay. And you have to be in the 00:33:22.450 --> 00:33:24.549 terminal for that, right? Yeah. Yeah. Everything's 00:33:24.549 --> 00:33:27.150 in the terminal. Okay. So now when I say, when 00:33:27.150 --> 00:33:29.750 I list all the notes, there's what was in my 00:33:29.750 --> 00:33:32.349 clipboard and that's been added to my notes. 00:33:32.769 --> 00:33:37.559 Oh, okay. So I don't know. It's like a master 00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:41.420 file. Yeah. And everything is added to that same 00:33:41.420 --> 00:33:43.299 file, right? All the time. Yeah, pretty much. 00:33:43.460 --> 00:33:45.980 And it's basically for staging. So it's like 00:33:45.980 --> 00:33:48.539 I'm going to take a bunch of notes, and then 00:33:48.539 --> 00:33:51.259 you would want to copy it maybe over into a project. 00:33:51.619 --> 00:33:55.019 So I just say new project. I don't want a blank. 00:33:55.859 --> 00:33:59.880 And let's call it blank. And there it is. It 00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:03.920 just pops up, and I can start this project in 00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:06.559 my NeoVim config. And that's pretty much it. 00:34:06.579 --> 00:34:09.719 It's simple, you know, it's totally simple. And 00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:13.300 what is its use case? Do you, or the plan is 00:34:13.300 --> 00:34:16.800 to use it like to organize stuff or? Yeah, pretty 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:19.219 much. It's just, it's just, like I said, you 00:34:19.219 --> 00:34:21.800 can use it to like, oh, it's like, oh man, I 00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:24.260 just, I like it. For example, I want like this, 00:34:24.300 --> 00:34:26.840 a series of commands, for example, I just want 00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:29.760 to copy them and throw them into a note really 00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:35.699 quickly. And. And that's, you know, I just want 00:34:35.699 --> 00:34:37.820 to throw them into a note really quickly and 00:34:37.820 --> 00:34:41.780 that's it. Oh, okay. So it's, it's for simple 00:34:41.780 --> 00:34:44.619 things. It's not for, it's not like a, it's not 00:34:44.619 --> 00:34:46.619 like obsidian or anything like that. You know, 00:34:46.659 --> 00:34:48.860 it's never going to be that way. Okay. You know, 00:34:48.900 --> 00:34:51.159 it's just going to be something super, super 00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:54.019 simple. It's like one or two lines. Yeah. Just 00:34:54.019 --> 00:34:57.940 capture stuff. Okay. Makes sense. Okay. Now going 00:34:57.940 --> 00:35:00.679 back to your YouTube channel, why did you decide 00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:04.199 to start it then? Like what was the. thing that 00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:07.239 made you okay you know oh i think i have what 00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:12.500 it takes let me start this i think a lot of times 00:35:12.500 --> 00:35:16.320 you know when i say i wanted to have i just wanted 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:18.920 to have fun i just wanted to like see if i could 00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:22.539 do it um that's the truth i really didn't care 00:35:22.539 --> 00:35:25.739 about if anybody watched it i think more than 00:35:25.739 --> 00:35:28.099 anything else at the very beginning i was like 00:35:28.570 --> 00:35:30.090 I'm going to write, I'm going to do something 00:35:30.090 --> 00:35:34.329 so that I don't forget how to do something. I'm 00:35:34.329 --> 00:35:36.690 going to like, hey, here's the i3 configuration 00:35:36.690 --> 00:35:39.090 that I've been working on for the last, I don't 00:35:39.090 --> 00:35:42.309 know, you know, month or whatever. And then all 00:35:42.309 --> 00:35:44.610 of a sudden, you know, I do a video on it so 00:35:44.610 --> 00:35:46.630 that I was like, oh yeah, okay, now I remember 00:35:46.630 --> 00:35:50.070 how to do that. So yeah, it's as much as note 00:35:50.070 --> 00:35:53.989 -taking, I have a bad memory. So I want to write. 00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:56.940 I want to put things in videos so I remember 00:35:56.940 --> 00:35:59.300 how to do things. And then after a while, it 00:35:59.300 --> 00:36:01.719 was one of those things where people were like, 00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:04.900 hey, man, appreciate what you did. I really liked 00:36:04.900 --> 00:36:09.139 your workflow, for example, on that demonstration 00:36:09.139 --> 00:36:12.980 that you did. And it was like, oh, that's really 00:36:12.980 --> 00:36:16.500 nice of people to actually comment about how 00:36:16.500 --> 00:36:19.800 useful it was to them. And so it kind of gives 00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:22.670 you a little bit of steam. And, but at the same 00:36:22.670 --> 00:36:26.150 time, I mean, I am, have no desire to be on like 00:36:26.150 --> 00:36:29.110 a regular schedule. I think it's been like a 00:36:29.110 --> 00:36:31.349 month or close to a month since I've actually 00:36:31.349 --> 00:36:34.070 put a video out and that's fine. I've been really 00:36:34.070 --> 00:36:36.769 busy with other things. And I don't, like I said, 00:36:36.789 --> 00:36:38.769 I don't feel the need to, if I don't have anything 00:36:38.769 --> 00:36:41.250 to say, I just won't say it. That's bottom line, 00:36:41.269 --> 00:36:46.059 you know? Oh, okay. Okay. Awesome. And what is 00:36:46.059 --> 00:36:50.059 the IDE that you use? You're using NeoVim, I 00:36:50.059 --> 00:36:52.920 see. I saw the video. No, I have a NeoVim config. 00:36:53.260 --> 00:36:58.039 Okay, I saw that video. And I am a terrible, 00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:02.619 terrible, I may be the worst NeoVim user on the 00:37:02.619 --> 00:37:08.039 planet. That's how bad I am, okay? I really like... 00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:13.440 The street cred that you get with having a NeoVim 00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:16.539 config that looks as good as I think mine looks. 00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:22.360 But overall, I can't use it for anything. I'm 00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:26.519 terrible. So I end up using Genie as my IDE. 00:37:26.820 --> 00:37:30.539 I love Genie. It's a GUI text editor. Actually, 00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:34.409 not. Categorizing it as a text editor is doing 00:37:34.409 --> 00:37:37.610 a little bit of a disservice. It is a super lightweight 00:37:37.610 --> 00:37:43.670 IDE. And I use it literally all the time. And 00:37:43.670 --> 00:37:48.090 the way I've configured it is very specialized 00:37:48.090 --> 00:37:50.469 when it comes right down to it. You want to show 00:37:50.469 --> 00:37:55.670 Genie? Or you have private stuff there? No, I 00:37:55.670 --> 00:37:58.869 don't have anything private, actually. Let me 00:37:58.869 --> 00:38:02.119 ask you something before you switch over. Okay. 00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:06.780 Why haven't you... Because I had that problem 00:38:06.780 --> 00:38:11.579 with BIM, you know? I have been... Well, I used 00:38:11.579 --> 00:38:14.780 BIM, I don't know, like, let's say 15 years ago, 00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.380 right? The first time that I tried it, it was 00:38:17.380 --> 00:38:21.559 like, what is this shit? Like, why do people 00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:26.019 use this? H -J -K -L? This is dumb. And I was 00:38:26.019 --> 00:38:31.769 like, oh, man, it took me... minutes to do something. 00:38:31.929 --> 00:38:35.550 And then I had to press I to enter insert mode 00:38:35.550 --> 00:38:38.130 and then escape and escape us all the way there. 00:38:38.409 --> 00:38:42.670 And I tried it once and it was like, this is 00:38:42.670 --> 00:38:45.269 not for me. I'm going to Nano and I use Nano 00:38:45.269 --> 00:38:47.989 in servers all the time. And then I tried it 00:38:47.989 --> 00:38:52.829 again, again, and I never stick to it because 00:38:52.829 --> 00:38:55.429 it was too difficult. It was like, damn, this 00:38:55.429 --> 00:38:57.710 feels horrible. I don't understand why people 00:38:57.710 --> 00:39:03.099 do this. But the Primogen is the one that, how 00:39:03.099 --> 00:39:07.239 can we say it, motivated me or inspired me to 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.960 use NeoVim. And I said, okay, it's going to be 00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:13.380 difficult. I was doing a lot of scripting for 00:39:13.380 --> 00:39:16.579 Microtech routers back then. And I used to do 00:39:16.579 --> 00:39:20.920 it in VS Code. And I said, okay, I'm going to 00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:26.380 try to do this in NeoVim. I did. I didn't stop, 00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:29.579 but it was horrible. I hated it. It was difficult. 00:39:29.739 --> 00:39:32.059 There's some growing pains. Yeah. I think that's 00:39:32.059 --> 00:39:35.760 the thing. If you can get the Vim motions, and 00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:38.519 that's where I fall short. Is that why then? 00:39:38.619 --> 00:39:43.679 By like a lot. Yeah. I mean, I think I was better. 00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:47.340 Like I said before, back in the mid -90s, I was 00:39:47.340 --> 00:39:49.199 working for a software company, and I was actually 00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:53.139 working in conjunction with one of the PhD developers. 00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:57.380 And he's like, hey, can you do this for me? And 00:39:57.380 --> 00:39:59.800 I'm like, sure, you know, I can try. And so I 00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:05.719 was using VI. And I think I was better then than 00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:09.039 I am now. And I think maybe it's just a product 00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:14.260 of age or something. But still, yeah. How does 00:40:14.260 --> 00:40:17.400 the saying go? You cannot teach an old dog new 00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:21.179 tricks? Maybe. I think I have the potential to 00:40:21.179 --> 00:40:24.429 do better than what I currently am. But overall, 00:40:24.750 --> 00:40:30.969 it's really hard, especially because you want 00:40:30.969 --> 00:40:33.449 to be productive. You don't want your time to 00:40:33.449 --> 00:40:37.949 be wasted. And it's not wasting. I think I'm 00:40:37.949 --> 00:40:40.590 overstating a little bit. It is to a certain 00:40:40.590 --> 00:40:44.190 point. Yeah, it is. But if I'm happy using the 00:40:44.190 --> 00:40:50.190 Genie, I guess I don't really need to. Although, 00:40:50.329 --> 00:40:53.440 like I said before, for quick edits. The ego 00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:56.099 feels it. I just need to feel like I'm part of 00:40:56.099 --> 00:40:57.960 the community. You know what I'm saying? You 00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:00.320 know what I'm saying? I need to feel like I need 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:06.659 to have some cred here. Yep. So do it for your 00:41:06.659 --> 00:41:10.500 ego so that it's like money of the user. Exactly. 00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:14.980 But what happens then? It's like, no, the emotions 00:41:14.980 --> 00:41:18.420 are not for me. And did you try them recently? 00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:21.480 Did you ever say like, okay. I'm going to do 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.619 this and I'm going to take it seriously this 00:41:23.619 --> 00:41:26.179 time. And it doesn't matter how painful it is. 00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:29.639 I'll stick to it. So I, you know, to your point, 00:41:29.739 --> 00:41:33.260 asking about like server stuff, and I have been 00:41:33.260 --> 00:41:39.019 working on the Linux cast server. I set up SFTP 00:41:39.019 --> 00:41:43.139 and I set up, I set up, I had NextCloud working 00:41:43.139 --> 00:41:45.699 on there, but it was not, we haven't been really 00:41:45.699 --> 00:41:47.800 happy with the way NextCloud's been working. 00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:54.360 I set up a Git, actually using GitT on that server. 00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:59.480 And so in order to modify the configuration files, 00:41:59.699 --> 00:42:02.679 I had to use something. Sometimes I would use 00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:05.440 Nano, sometimes I would use Micro, but I also 00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:10.739 had NeoVim. And so I got marginally better, but 00:42:10.739 --> 00:42:15.099 at the same time, I'm not, you know, it's hard 00:42:15.099 --> 00:42:17.880 for me. It really is. It's hard for me to... 00:42:19.250 --> 00:42:22.989 be as productive as I want to be in the short 00:42:22.989 --> 00:42:25.190 amount of time that I'm trying to do something. 00:42:25.409 --> 00:42:29.849 Yeah. So, yeah. Overall, like I said, I use the 00:42:29.849 --> 00:42:32.690 GUI more than anything else. And Genie has been, 00:42:32.909 --> 00:42:37.489 I, Genie is really good. It's really good. Okay. 00:42:37.710 --> 00:42:40.969 You want to show us Genie then? Sure. Okay. I'll 00:42:40.969 --> 00:42:44.480 switch to your screen. So I have nothing actually 00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:46.659 on the screen right now, but if you're looking 00:42:46.659 --> 00:42:51.139 at Genie, there is a, this is the tree browser 00:42:51.139 --> 00:42:54.800 and this is not part of Genie right out of the 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:58.820 box. You actually have to use a plugin and you 00:42:58.820 --> 00:43:01.480 kind of like cherry pick which plugins do you 00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:05.460 want to use? I'm using add -ons and automark 00:43:05.460 --> 00:43:07.179 and stuff like that. But then if you get down 00:43:07.179 --> 00:43:09.929 here, There's the Git change bar, which I think 00:43:09.929 --> 00:43:12.309 is essential, especially if you are doing projects 00:43:12.309 --> 00:43:17.210 that end up on Git. And then there is a Markdown 00:43:17.210 --> 00:43:21.550 previewer. And then there's a few other things, 00:43:21.610 --> 00:43:24.829 including a split window. But here's the tree 00:43:24.829 --> 00:43:27.590 browser. And there are preferences. And if you 00:43:27.590 --> 00:43:30.789 are someone that is interested and you want to 00:43:30.789 --> 00:43:36.550 use Vim motions, there is a VI mode. uh plugin 00:43:36.550 --> 00:43:38.929 that you can use and maybe that would be this 00:43:38.929 --> 00:43:42.250 the thing that would like i would have to you 00:43:42.250 --> 00:43:44.769 know if i do colon wq it's actually going to 00:43:44.769 --> 00:43:48.550 write and quit that you know right there so anyway 00:43:48.550 --> 00:43:52.889 um i'm going to go ahead and just open up a couple 00:43:52.889 --> 00:43:56.289 things let's go to actually you know what let's 00:43:56.289 --> 00:44:00.550 do this i'm going to go to um codeberg there 00:44:00.550 --> 00:44:05.710 we go codeberg and bspwm And let's look at this. 00:44:06.369 --> 00:44:09.489 And then let's also look at, cause I wanted to 00:44:09.489 --> 00:44:13.650 show you the SXH 80 real quick. Okay. Okay. So, 00:44:13.650 --> 00:44:16.469 so, and then like, I have key binds to that, 00:44:16.530 --> 00:44:18.489 like, okay, I don't want to see the, I don't 00:44:18.489 --> 00:44:20.750 want to see the tree browser anymore. So I just 00:44:20.750 --> 00:44:25.369 kind of like, I use a alt period to get the, 00:44:25.369 --> 00:44:29.170 get the tree browser out of the way. But this 00:44:29.170 --> 00:44:34.230 is the configuration file. for bspwm again i'm 00:44:34.230 --> 00:44:37.750 not demonstrating bspwm today but actually it's 00:44:37.750 --> 00:44:40.909 a lot less than what i even said this is a 50 00:44:40.909 --> 00:44:45.309 line uh configuration file oh and these are the 00:44:45.309 --> 00:44:48.590 these are the startup uh so if like it gets uh 00:44:48.590 --> 00:44:53.550 the cursor dunst is dunst is the um notification 00:44:53.550 --> 00:44:58.030 application and then you've got pycom which like 00:44:58.030 --> 00:45:02.320 if you're like if like pycom for example My Pycom 00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:06.360 allows me to move things really smoothly. Oh, 00:45:06.380 --> 00:45:10.840 and it feels smooth. Like you said, the animation. 00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:15.179 Yeah. I don't see screen tearing. No, no. It's 00:45:15.179 --> 00:45:18.739 really smooth. What is Pycom then? So Pycom is 00:45:18.739 --> 00:45:22.219 a compositor, okay? That's where you lose me. 00:45:22.340 --> 00:45:24.980 I have heard that word like a hundred times. 00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:28.889 I don't know what it is. So you don't need a 00:45:28.889 --> 00:45:31.829 compositor. You don't have to have, especially 00:45:31.829 --> 00:45:35.630 on X11 window managers. I think people use it 00:45:35.630 --> 00:45:38.449 for the pretty animations and stuff like that. 00:45:38.610 --> 00:45:44.929 It's solely for making things look smooth. So 00:45:44.929 --> 00:45:51.190 do you need it? No. It's not necessary. But like 00:45:51.190 --> 00:45:54.650 I said, if I was to do this, I could move things 00:45:54.650 --> 00:45:59.789 around. the screen yeah it looks cool so this 00:45:59.789 --> 00:46:02.929 is my dwm so i'm demonstrating dwm right now 00:46:02.929 --> 00:46:07.949 but anyway um there is a poly bar so the the 00:46:07.949 --> 00:46:13.050 bar is um the bar is separate like i said before 00:46:13.050 --> 00:46:15.610 it's modular so you have to have a bar if you 00:46:15.610 --> 00:46:17.630 want a bar and it just is the one thing that 00:46:17.630 --> 00:46:21.489 launches and then you have sxhkd so your key 00:46:21.489 --> 00:46:25.389 bindings are managed in one file okay you know 00:46:25.789 --> 00:46:31.010 Super B, Firefox. Super Shift B opens up Firefox 00:46:31.010 --> 00:46:35.369 in a private window. My terminal of choice, which 00:46:35.369 --> 00:46:38.070 used to be Ghosty, is now Westerm. Let's talk 00:46:38.070 --> 00:46:45.789 about that. Okay. Why? So I... Was it hype? You're 00:46:45.789 --> 00:46:49.409 in a safe space. You can say it here. Westerm 00:46:49.409 --> 00:46:53.590 to me... Actually, let's do this. Go to my config, 00:46:53.949 --> 00:46:57.570 Wes term. The config is actually written in Lua. 00:46:57.750 --> 00:47:00.769 And at some point, I was really big into writing 00:47:00.769 --> 00:47:05.510 a Lua code for the awesome WM window manager. 00:47:05.730 --> 00:47:09.289 So because that window manager is using Lua as 00:47:09.289 --> 00:47:13.909 the config, okay? So I was like, oh, I really 00:47:13.909 --> 00:47:17.789 like this. It's harder for me. So it took me 00:47:17.789 --> 00:47:21.389 a really stinking long time to learn how to use 00:47:21.389 --> 00:47:27.780 Lua. at all yeah but overall there was like i 00:47:27.780 --> 00:47:30.079 was like oh wow this is really really good there's 00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:33.940 a lot of good like like modifications and how 00:47:33.940 --> 00:47:38.500 to put in um you know your key bindings you know 00:47:38.500 --> 00:47:41.019 it's like navigation and so on so forth anyway 00:47:41.019 --> 00:47:43.480 i ended up liking this a little bit more than 00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:47.320 ghosty only because i'm on debian okay there's 00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:50.239 nothing wrong there is absolutely nothing wrong 00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:54.579 with ghosty uh at the time uh ghosty had a bit 00:47:54.579 --> 00:47:58.719 had a problem with um it broke at some point 00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:02.099 especially during um i don't remember exactly 00:48:02.099 --> 00:48:09.199 uh which version it was like 1 .0 .12 maybe um 00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:14.559 anyway at some point it it stopped working on 00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:17.619 debian stable i don't think it has that problem 00:48:17.619 --> 00:48:20.519 anymore i think they fixed it Um, but I kind 00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:22.460 of like, oh, well, let me just move on to something 00:48:22.460 --> 00:48:25.539 else. I really like Western. I don't know how 00:48:25.539 --> 00:48:28.260 to, I don't know how to like convince anybody 00:48:28.260 --> 00:48:30.420 else that I think it's like really, really stinking 00:48:30.420 --> 00:48:33.480 good. But overall, you know, it's like, okay, 00:48:33.539 --> 00:48:36.480 you know, open up a browser and then, you know, 00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:40.840 like, um, you know, I can split and, you know, 00:48:40.860 --> 00:48:45.300 split again. And I don't know, I'm not good with 00:48:45.300 --> 00:48:47.320 the terminal nearly as much as I've seen other 00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:52.619 people be. But if I hit Alt -W, it just starts. 00:48:52.980 --> 00:48:56.340 And then I can also open up new. Yeah, and splits. 00:48:56.960 --> 00:49:01.099 Splits are just, here's a hot take. Splits are 00:49:01.099 --> 00:49:04.760 just flexing. Is that how kids say it? I don't 00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:07.559 use them. The only thing that I like about it, 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:10.519 like if I was on like, so GDW is like a shortcut. 00:49:10.659 --> 00:49:13.860 So it's going to my .config suckless DWM. And 00:49:13.860 --> 00:49:18.150 if I hit the split, okay. It actually puts me 00:49:18.150 --> 00:49:24.849 in the same directory. That's about as much as 00:49:24.849 --> 00:49:28.969 I use, though, if it's right. Okay. So you're 00:49:28.969 --> 00:49:31.389 in Western and you're staying Western. What are 00:49:31.389 --> 00:49:34.949 your thoughts on Kitty? I've used Kitty. The 00:49:34.949 --> 00:49:39.469 one thing that I tried to use, well, there's 00:49:39.469 --> 00:49:41.289 nothing wrong with Kitty. There really isn't. 00:49:41.289 --> 00:49:45.340 I can't say anything bad about Kitty. I end up 00:49:45.340 --> 00:49:47.739 choosing Western because I thought that the configuration 00:49:47.739 --> 00:49:50.159 was more to my liking. That's just the bottom 00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:53.940 line. That's about it. Okay. Yeah. I could actually 00:49:53.940 --> 00:49:56.300 get more out of it. I thought it was really fast. 00:49:56.539 --> 00:49:59.260 And I put my money where my mouth is. I thought 00:49:59.260 --> 00:50:01.059 this was so good that I actually contributed 00:50:01.059 --> 00:50:03.079 to the project. And I think that's important, 00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:05.480 by the way, just in case anybody's listening 00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:08.340 to what I have to say, which is usually nothing. 00:50:09.900 --> 00:50:12.780 Free and open source software sometimes needs 00:50:12.780 --> 00:50:16.329 our help. It's like there is a, you know, when 00:50:16.329 --> 00:50:19.309 you find something that you really like, I think 00:50:19.309 --> 00:50:21.570 you should either, you should contribute in some 00:50:21.570 --> 00:50:24.630 way to the project, I think. And I'm not going 00:50:24.630 --> 00:50:27.610 to be able to help in any other way than like 00:50:27.610 --> 00:50:30.409 a few dollars here. Financially, okay. Yeah. 00:50:30.489 --> 00:50:33.250 So I think that that was something that I felt 00:50:33.250 --> 00:50:37.289 really strongly about. Yeah. I'm on that same 00:50:37.289 --> 00:50:40.170 page as well. If you're, if you like something. 00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:44.639 If you use a product that you find, you know, 00:50:44.659 --> 00:50:48.460 useful. And if you can, just give something to 00:50:48.460 --> 00:50:51.880 the developers. Like, I had an interview with 00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:55.579 this guy, COVID. He's the creator of Kitty. Yeah, 00:50:55.619 --> 00:50:58.420 I saw that. You saw it? Okay. He's the creator 00:50:58.420 --> 00:51:00.860 of this other tool called Caliber for reading 00:51:00.860 --> 00:51:03.599 books. I didn't even know how good Caliber was, 00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:06.099 man. It's an amazing tool, actually. Yeah, it 00:51:06.099 --> 00:51:09.630 is. Have you used it? Yes, actually, Calibre. 00:51:09.730 --> 00:51:12.769 I don't know if that's the way to pronounce it, 00:51:12.829 --> 00:51:19.130 but yeah, my wife, big fan. Yeah, converts between 00:51:19.130 --> 00:51:25.090 different formats. And my image of COVID wasn't 00:51:25.090 --> 00:51:27.150 the best before the interview, and now I'm a 00:51:27.150 --> 00:51:31.230 fan. And now I'm in Kitty, and I'm not using 00:51:31.230 --> 00:51:34.710 Tmux anymore. I haven't been using Tmux like... 00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:38.860 in a month over a month have you used tmux what 00:51:38.860 --> 00:51:40.760 are your thoughts on tmux i don't use it i'm 00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:43.099 just not that good so um i was going to show 00:51:43.099 --> 00:51:45.400 you the one thing here this readme is a markdown 00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:50.059 file and i have a markdown uh previewer okay 00:51:50.059 --> 00:51:53.519 hit like a button okay you know and so anything 00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:56.059 that like if i was to make a change here and 00:51:56.059 --> 00:51:59.699 just say oh minimally this isn't any of them 00:51:59.699 --> 00:52:02.679 right No, sorry, this is still, I'm still in 00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:05.559 Genie. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, I'm still 00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:09.380 in Genie. So it's basically an IDE, like you 00:52:09.380 --> 00:52:12.420 said, a lightweight IDE, right? Yes, yes, it 00:52:12.420 --> 00:52:16.800 is. Okay, okay. So did you get used to it and 00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:19.920 you still stick to it because you got used to 00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:23.199 it so long ago? Or what's the history with Genie? 00:52:23.219 --> 00:52:25.760 Like, why that one and why didn't you go with 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:29.420 something else? You know what? That's a good 00:52:29.420 --> 00:52:31.800 question. And I'm not sure how I can answer that. 00:52:32.059 --> 00:52:35.340 By the way, I'm going to close this real quick. 00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:41.360 Because I was going to open up NeoVim real quick. 00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:47.320 So I think I saw a video that DT did on Genie. 00:52:47.340 --> 00:52:50.000 And I was like, oh, I like that. Yeah, that's 00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:54.250 the one. And so when I first... uh, started using 00:52:54.250 --> 00:52:56.369 it. I was just like, I need to use it like the 00:52:56.369 --> 00:52:59.489 way DT said to set it up. And then I started 00:52:59.489 --> 00:53:01.909 like really using it. And that's when I started 00:53:01.909 --> 00:53:05.010 like saying, Oh wow. Yeah. I can make this a 00:53:05.010 --> 00:53:09.590 lot more conducive to my own workflow. Um, because 00:53:09.590 --> 00:53:13.590 you know, I think that when you have a keyboard 00:53:13.590 --> 00:53:17.630 centric workflow, it's, it takes time. It takes 00:53:17.630 --> 00:53:20.690 time to develop it. And so you have to kind of 00:53:20.690 --> 00:53:26.480 like modify your, You have to modify your, even 00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:29.219 when you're using like GUI text editors like 00:53:29.219 --> 00:53:31.840 Genie, you should definitely try to like modify 00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:37.639 it to keep that same workflow. Have you thought 00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:40.860 about this? Have you thought about switching 00:53:40.860 --> 00:53:46.119 or turning on the motions in Genie? At least 00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:51.420 to get used to them. I have. By the way, I think 00:53:51.420 --> 00:53:54.239 this looks very similar to what you have as far 00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:56.760 as your NeoVim config. Does this look normal 00:53:56.760 --> 00:54:00.659 to you? Oh, actually, it does. It does. The markdown 00:54:00.659 --> 00:54:03.739 file, I see the headings. The question is, oh, 00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:06.099 I see on the left -hand side, there's the gutter. 00:54:06.219 --> 00:54:08.539 What is this? This is NeoVim, right? This is 00:54:08.539 --> 00:54:11.719 NeoVim, yeah. This is the one I set up for myself 00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:17.079 so that I try to make myself use this more. Yeah, 00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:20.380 yeah, yeah. I use folds a lot. Have you used 00:54:20.380 --> 00:54:24.079 Folds or no? No, I'm too stinking dumb to do 00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:26.420 that. I don't know how to. No, but it's not complicated. 00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:28.960 Let me show you something real quick. Okay. And 00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:31.639 that made a huge difference. I'm going to switch 00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:35.179 to my screen right now. Okay, so if I switch 00:54:35.179 --> 00:54:38.719 to another repo, right? This is my notes repo. 00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:42.780 I always open this file, this markdown, because 00:54:42.780 --> 00:54:45.380 the other ones have a lot of personal information 00:54:45.380 --> 00:54:50.360 in them, right? But this is what. made a complete 00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:55.039 difference for me and this is why i left obsidian 00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:59.099 actually i used obsidian man i talked to my wife 00:54:59.099 --> 00:55:02.739 about obsidian for months plugins i set it up 00:55:02.739 --> 00:55:06.059 man i spent hours on it but i like this a lot 00:55:06.059 --> 00:55:09.179 about neobim folds because i like navigating 00:55:09.179 --> 00:55:12.199 between different okay headings you know so i 00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:15.719 can fold them level two level three i can navigate 00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:19.710 easily between the different headings. So this 00:55:19.710 --> 00:55:23.809 is one of the things that I love about NeoVim, 00:55:23.869 --> 00:55:26.889 actually. Markdown files, folding stuff with 00:55:26.889 --> 00:55:29.530 just a single key map. I can unfold them, I can 00:55:29.530 --> 00:55:32.409 fold them back, level two, or level two and level 00:55:32.409 --> 00:55:35.070 three. I think that's pretty useful. Or if I 00:55:35.070 --> 00:55:37.409 want to jump between headings, I have other key 00:55:37.409 --> 00:55:39.969 maps. So I'm just jumping between headings here. 00:55:39.969 --> 00:55:43.949 So how are you opening up the folds then? Are 00:55:43.949 --> 00:55:45.989 you putting your cursor there and just hitting 00:55:45.989 --> 00:55:49.650 enter or something? Oh, yeah. Enter. Yep. I configure 00:55:49.650 --> 00:55:53.309 that as a key map. So if I hit enter, it toggles 00:55:53.309 --> 00:55:58.449 the fold. Yep. But yeah, I find that pretty useful. 00:55:58.750 --> 00:56:00.929 Let me switch back to your screen so you can 00:56:00.929 --> 00:56:06.690 show us your config. Oh, okay. I see the code 00:56:06.690 --> 00:56:08.989 blocks. I see the headings. What plugin do you 00:56:08.989 --> 00:56:13.659 use? Is this Render Markdown? Yeah. Yeah. That's 00:56:13.659 --> 00:56:17.519 awesome. Yeah. It's pretty neat, man. Thanks. 00:56:17.579 --> 00:56:19.980 Actually, you know, when, um, it might go over, 00:56:20.019 --> 00:56:23.300 not this one. Where am I? Yeah, actually I was 00:56:23.300 --> 00:56:26.559 in the right spot. If I was to go to my, my, 00:56:26.699 --> 00:56:31.960 uh, um, my code Berg, um, there is like a Neo 00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:37.280 Vim, um, project I would say. And then it actually 00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:42.630 shows, um, all the things, all the plugins. that 00:56:42.630 --> 00:56:47.469 i'm using and so you know people get an idea 00:56:47.469 --> 00:56:52.070 as to what it how it's kind of set up and also 00:56:52.070 --> 00:56:53.809 mentioned so remember i was telling you about 00:56:53.809 --> 00:56:59.590 the uh the neo vim um debian file okay yeah so 00:56:59.590 --> 00:57:02.190 that you can install it in case you know because 00:57:02.190 --> 00:57:04.369 i i actually i said it right here it says debian 00:57:04.369 --> 00:57:11.079 13 has 0 .11 oh sorry 0 .10 .4 okay and um And 00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:19.199 this is going to be 0 .11 .4. So it's a full 00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:23.340 version up. And all you have to do is go and 00:57:23.340 --> 00:57:26.340 get this file. In case you're a Debian user, 00:57:26.500 --> 00:57:28.679 anybody in the chat or whatever, if you're a 00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:32.239 Debian user and you say, oh, I want NeoVim, but 00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:34.159 I want the newest version, it's right there. 00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:35.480 You can just download that. Tony better watches 00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:37.559 this. Yeah, Tony better watches this because 00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:41.900 he... Actually, he mentioned that I had this 00:57:41.900 --> 00:57:45.280 on the Linux cast this past week. Yeah, he knew 00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:52.699 it. Okay, awesome. What are your thoughts on 00:57:52.699 --> 00:57:55.360 other IDEs? I'm going to switch back to our screen. 00:57:55.659 --> 00:58:01.199 What are your thoughts on Emacs? It's a rabbit 00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:04.079 hole. Honestly, I've tried. I really did. But 00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:07.400 I don't know that I give anything that much like... 00:58:08.110 --> 00:58:13.110 mental power because i i just i can't my brain 00:58:13.110 --> 00:58:17.550 doesn't work that way you know um so no i'm just 00:58:17.550 --> 00:58:19.929 like i said i respect the heck out of people 00:58:19.929 --> 00:58:23.530 that can like make that sing like you know like 00:58:23.530 --> 00:58:26.510 these guys that were on your uh show like dt 00:58:26.510 --> 00:58:31.449 um you know you had the two you had the two neovim 00:58:31.449 --> 00:58:35.070 guys and the two uh max guys max guys and i was 00:58:35.070 --> 00:58:39.650 like yeah i mean i yeah that's they're so good. 00:58:39.769 --> 00:58:42.949 They're really so good at it. I just, I just 00:58:42.949 --> 00:58:44.829 can't do it. I just can't, you know, it's too 00:58:44.829 --> 00:58:47.909 hard for me. I don't know. Maybe if someone like 00:58:47.909 --> 00:58:50.510 sat down and said, here, just here's baby steps 00:58:50.510 --> 00:58:54.849 and stuff like that. But essentially I am more 00:58:54.849 --> 00:58:58.309 interested in just like doing something like 00:58:58.309 --> 00:59:01.690 these projects. And that would take a lot off. 00:59:01.730 --> 00:59:05.329 That would take a lot from that time, you know, 00:59:05.329 --> 00:59:08.679 like. you know working on something that something 00:59:08.679 --> 00:59:12.440 that i can contribute you know that's the thing 00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:14.619 i'm more curious about because like if you if 00:59:14.619 --> 00:59:17.559 you know if you looked at that that list on my 00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:20.099 on my codeberg page you know it's like there's 00:59:20.099 --> 00:59:22.940 neo vim and there's i3 and there's bspwm and 00:59:22.940 --> 00:59:25.659 there's a whole lot of stuff out there that i 00:59:25.659 --> 00:59:28.820 try to contribute to anybody that wants to like 00:59:28.820 --> 00:59:31.719 use it and that makes me feel good about you 00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:35.530 know my contribution to foss and the nice community 00:59:35.530 --> 00:59:38.570 because i feel like i've i feel like i've taken 00:59:38.570 --> 00:59:40.889 a lot and i just want to like you know give something 00:59:40.889 --> 00:59:44.949 back as well you know yeah you learn a lot from 00:59:44.949 --> 00:59:47.929 all the videos man i have learned a lot too it's 00:59:47.929 --> 00:59:52.030 yeah yeah and giving something back is is awesome 00:59:52.030 --> 00:59:56.050 just like you say and talking about other operating 00:59:56.050 --> 00:59:58.389 systems i want to hear your thoughts on that 00:59:58.389 --> 01:00:02.570 too um Have you ever considered or have you ever 01:00:02.570 --> 01:00:05.530 used macOS? What are your thoughts there? So 01:00:05.530 --> 01:00:09.769 I told you that my son is in his 20s now. And 01:00:09.769 --> 01:00:16.210 when he was in high school, it was an iPad school. 01:00:16.789 --> 01:00:21.530 And so in order for him to, I thought, to have 01:00:21.530 --> 01:00:25.530 kind of like something cohesive, I bought him 01:00:25.530 --> 01:00:32.000 a Mac Mini. And I was so bad at that, that it 01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:35.139 was just like, hey, son. So he would have to 01:00:35.139 --> 01:00:37.699 like, hey, this isn't that hard, dad. You're 01:00:37.699 --> 01:00:41.099 making this way harder than it needs to be. But 01:00:41.099 --> 01:00:45.480 overall, it was troubling that I couldn't get 01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:48.219 like, it wasn't, you know, it's like, hey, you 01:00:48.219 --> 01:00:51.159 got to drag this into this spot here. And I'm 01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:56.809 like, oh, okay, why? You know, so anyway. I have 01:00:56.809 --> 01:00:59.449 tried. I have tried. I'm just not good at it. 01:00:59.630 --> 01:01:05.610 I come from a Windows background, like I said 01:01:05.610 --> 01:01:09.489 before, where, like I said, I've been to Microsoft. 01:01:09.530 --> 01:01:13.730 I've actually written articles in trade mags 01:01:13.730 --> 01:01:17.769 that had to do with Visual Basic for applications 01:01:17.769 --> 01:01:22.780 and stuff like that back 30 years ago now. Um, 01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:26.860 I don't want to do that anymore. You know, I 01:01:26.860 --> 01:01:29.219 don't want to support it. I don't want to like 01:01:29.219 --> 01:01:33.119 use it for my work. Um, and it's so funny because 01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:37.139 like, you know, my wife is, is a windows user. 01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:39.519 And the reason why is because there's certain 01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:41.980 things that you can't get to, you know, you can't 01:01:41.980 --> 01:01:45.000 run on, you could use on Mac, I guess that's 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:47.039 the one, you know, but she couldn't get anything 01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:49.920 to work on. Uh, she couldn't get. quicken for 01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:54.000 example to work on um on linux just it doesn't 01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:56.500 exist so what does your wife use does she use 01:01:56.500 --> 01:01:59.219 linux no she would use windows she has to use 01:01:59.219 --> 01:02:02.280 windows because because we have like i said um 01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:05.760 the company that she works for has quicken and 01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:09.699 that there's no getting around that so and and 01:02:09.699 --> 01:02:15.000 and there was a time period too where um she 01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:17.099 had to be on outlook for example you know so 01:02:17.099 --> 01:02:19.849 it was just What are you going to do? And what 01:02:19.849 --> 01:02:22.849 about your son? Is he in love with Mac OS? No, 01:02:22.849 --> 01:02:24.809 he's a Windows user. And most of it, yeah, no, 01:02:24.889 --> 01:02:28.269 he's a Windows user. Windows games. Yeah, games. 01:02:28.610 --> 01:02:33.230 Yeah. Okay, but we hear, especially in Matt's 01:02:33.230 --> 01:02:35.130 channel. You asked me about games, Christian. 01:02:35.570 --> 01:02:37.510 I'm not going to know a thing about games. Not 01:02:37.510 --> 01:02:40.710 one thing am I going to know about games. And 01:02:40.710 --> 01:02:45.070 have you tried to convert him to Linux? Of course. 01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:49.900 Of course. Does he listen to me? No, of course 01:02:49.900 --> 01:02:54.059 not. He knows more than the old man. Of course. 01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:57.019 Yeah. He knows way too much for his own good. 01:02:58.699 --> 01:03:04.119 Oh, man. Yeah. And what about you and Windows 01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:08.280 then? What's the history there? No. Oh, why did 01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:10.440 you leave Windows? I was actually using Windows 01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:15.300 before it was, no, before Windows 95. And that 01:03:15.300 --> 01:03:17.500 was a big deal. I mean, back then it was like, 01:03:17.579 --> 01:03:22.320 it was, it was DOS. And then the, you know, I 01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:27.880 think was when I was on windows 2 .1, maybe initially. 01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:34.260 I didn't go back that far. No, no, no. I used 01:03:34.260 --> 01:03:38.739 windows 95, then 98, then 2000, which was a millennium. 01:03:38.780 --> 01:03:42.730 So the story is though, when. Windows 95 came 01:03:42.730 --> 01:03:45.889 out. It was just like a complete departure from 01:03:45.889 --> 01:03:50.449 what they were doing. Because back in the day, 01:03:50.530 --> 01:03:53.090 I'm going to date myself now, but back in the 01:03:53.090 --> 01:04:00.369 day, prior to Windows 95, you would have a lot 01:04:00.369 --> 01:04:04.630 of software that was the industry leader in certain 01:04:04.630 --> 01:04:07.889 things. For example, any type of word processing 01:04:07.889 --> 01:04:13.829 usually was done on... uh word perfect anybody 01:04:13.829 --> 01:04:17.690 in the chat word perfect okay and then when windows 01:04:17.690 --> 01:04:21.210 yeah and then when windows 95 sorry when when 01:04:21.210 --> 01:04:24.369 95 came out they destroyed everybody in that 01:04:24.369 --> 01:04:27.489 office space so they came out with word and excel 01:04:27.489 --> 01:04:32.849 and you know and powerpoint whereas word perfect 01:04:32.849 --> 01:04:37.679 and lotus one two three And Harvard graphics 01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:41.739 were like king until Windows 95. And then they 01:04:41.739 --> 01:04:44.500 were destroyed. So that's just a little history 01:04:44.500 --> 01:04:49.059 for you kids out there. Okay. And why did you 01:04:49.059 --> 01:04:52.139 leave Windows then? Like, what happened? I hated 01:04:52.139 --> 01:04:57.780 it. It got so bad. Windows got so bad. And not 01:04:57.780 --> 01:05:01.179 to mention, it failed constantly, it seemed like. 01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:03.179 At least from my perspective, it was just like, 01:05:03.260 --> 01:05:06.980 okay, it's on this hardware. That ends up like, 01:05:07.059 --> 01:05:08.860 you know, and I'm having to like reboot like, 01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:12.599 you know, several times a day. And just because 01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:14.420 it just kept failing. And it's like, oh, the 01:05:14.420 --> 01:05:17.880 hardware doesn't work with the software. And 01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:23.440 then it was like, is it the hardware or is it 01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:27.079 the software? So you have to replace the video 01:05:27.079 --> 01:05:29.019 card, for example. I don't know. It was just 01:05:29.019 --> 01:05:32.960 a mess. And it got worse and worse because of 01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:39.139 the advertising. that ended up showing up in 01:05:39.139 --> 01:05:44.780 the OS. And so it's one of those things where 01:05:44.780 --> 01:05:48.820 you have an opportunity to use something that 01:05:48.820 --> 01:05:52.500 is community -driven. And so that is one of the 01:05:52.500 --> 01:05:57.840 reasons why I go with Debian because of the community 01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:02.440 -driven project. It's built by volunteers for 01:06:02.440 --> 01:06:08.619 the most part. And, you know, to other people's 01:06:08.619 --> 01:06:13.199 point, is it a new user distro? I would say no, 01:06:13.380 --> 01:06:17.679 actually. Because people that are making a transition 01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:22.539 from Windows, for example, or Mac, usually are 01:06:22.539 --> 01:06:28.119 of this kind of like mouse -driven point -and 01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:32.219 -click paradigm. They're going to want to see 01:06:32.219 --> 01:06:35.960 things like really pretty graphics and things 01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:39.260 like that, where if you're in Debian, even if 01:06:39.260 --> 01:06:42.420 you install like GNOME or something like that, 01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:45.480 you're going to get vanilla. There's going to 01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:48.559 be no extensions. There's not going to be anything 01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:50.659 that's special about it. You know, it's going 01:06:50.659 --> 01:06:54.159 to be vanilla KDE, vanilla GNOME, vanilla Cinnamon, 01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:58.320 and so on. And you're going to get an XFCE, by 01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:01.059 the way. I want to make sure I make, I... Put 01:07:01.059 --> 01:07:03.719 that out there because I still think XFCE is 01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:10.179 like outstanding software. So, yeah. But there's, 01:07:10.179 --> 01:07:11.940 you know, when you're looking at something like 01:07:11.940 --> 01:07:15.480 Linux Mint, it's been curated. You know, it's 01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:18.940 like it's specialized for the user experience, 01:07:19.260 --> 01:07:22.000 especially for new user experience. Or even if 01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:24.440 you're looking at Ubuntu, you know, it's been 01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:29.260 curated and massaged to make it a really cohesive, 01:07:29.340 --> 01:07:34.119 like. user experience so yeah debian maybe not 01:07:34.119 --> 01:07:37.039 be for everybody you know and i get that now 01:07:37.039 --> 01:07:42.000 is debian the king of all distros of course what 01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:44.900 are you talking about man yeah i don't know what 01:07:44.900 --> 01:07:48.059 you're talking about is there any is there any 01:07:48.059 --> 01:07:52.239 discussion otherwise the daddy yeah yeah no no 01:07:52.239 --> 01:07:56.380 no if if not for debian Who is Ubuntu going to 01:07:56.380 --> 01:08:00.280 stand on the shoulders of? Or Linux Mint, or 01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:03.019 any of these other distros that use the Ubuntu 01:08:03.019 --> 01:08:06.820 kernel and stuff like Pop! OS and so on. It's 01:08:06.820 --> 01:08:10.099 like, if not for Debian, then how are these guys 01:08:10.099 --> 01:08:14.440 going to stand up? All of the servers, most of 01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:16.500 the servers, I would assume, are running Debian 01:08:16.500 --> 01:08:23.300 or Ubuntu, right? Yeah, true. Now, what are your 01:08:23.300 --> 01:08:28.180 thoughts on AI? Like, are you into AI? Wow. That's 01:08:28.180 --> 01:08:37.079 a long one. So on my network, I have a NAS that 01:08:37.079 --> 01:08:41.159 is running TrueNAS scale. Okay. Single server? 01:08:41.979 --> 01:08:45.659 Yeah, I just have one server. It's over there. 01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:48.760 It's a TrueNAS scale. And I built it myself. 01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:55.159 Okay. And it has six disks, I think. I think 01:08:55.159 --> 01:08:58.159 it's like six disks. Anyway, it has the ability 01:08:58.159 --> 01:09:03.199 to run or self -host certain things. It just 01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:06.159 now, TrueNAS scale just now kind of got a better 01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:10.159 like Docker interface. Whereas before, it just 01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:12.500 kind of had its own like dedicated applications. 01:09:13.300 --> 01:09:22.229 So I have self -hosted my own OpenAI. um and 01:09:22.229 --> 01:09:28.050 and llama to build my own kind of like self -hosted 01:09:28.050 --> 01:09:34.069 ai interface so i actually host my own ai interface 01:09:34.069 --> 01:09:39.210 some of it is private so it is open source and 01:09:39.210 --> 01:09:42.569 or you know so it's actually running on the server 01:09:42.569 --> 01:09:47.590 and some i'm using an api so that i am like actually 01:09:47.590 --> 01:09:50.489 asking questions that get tossed back to the 01:09:50.489 --> 01:09:55.510 server and back again. Overall, though, it is 01:09:55.510 --> 01:10:00.270 fascinating to me. And I have been very intrigued 01:10:00.270 --> 01:10:06.210 with how the development of these LLMs has evolved. 01:10:06.909 --> 01:10:09.869 For the models that you're running locally, right? 01:10:09.970 --> 01:10:13.390 So you train them on your personal data, on your 01:10:13.390 --> 01:10:19.640 nodes? Yeah. Yep. Yeah, yeah. I mean, so... I'm 01:10:19.640 --> 01:10:22.159 not sure if you're asking me about anything that's 01:10:22.159 --> 01:10:25.779 like clod code or something like that. No, because 01:10:25.779 --> 01:10:29.119 you say that you're running Lama, right? Yeah, 01:10:29.539 --> 01:10:33.800 yeah. Okay. And do you use your notes? Because 01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:36.699 do you take notes? That's something that I have 01:10:36.699 --> 01:10:38.800 to ask. Do you take a lot of notes and do you 01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:40.960 have a lot of note files, like markdown files 01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:44.180 and stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes it helps. 01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:48.689 Yeah, sometimes it helps in formatting. Passing 01:10:48.689 --> 01:10:52.270 Markdown to an AI model, it helps with the formatting 01:10:52.270 --> 01:10:55.529 a little bit. But I actually do more of that 01:10:55.529 --> 01:10:58.989 by hand. But when I ask, you know, I actually, 01:10:59.109 --> 01:11:03.569 for my job, I have something very, like, I have 01:11:03.569 --> 01:11:07.930 to run valuation models. And sometimes the valuation 01:11:07.930 --> 01:11:12.029 models could benefit by having some type of research 01:11:12.029 --> 01:11:16.949 arm. So I use actually the research portion of 01:11:16.949 --> 01:11:20.250 the AI models more than anything else because 01:11:20.250 --> 01:11:24.270 it's pulling from like sources, many, many sources 01:11:24.270 --> 01:11:28.010 more than I can in a six minute period. So, I 01:11:28.010 --> 01:11:30.090 mean, it takes it like six minutes for it to 01:11:30.090 --> 01:11:33.010 run some of the models that I'm, I'm asking it 01:11:33.010 --> 01:11:37.729 to like pull from. And then it gives me some 01:11:37.729 --> 01:11:43.029 type of valuation information that I use for, 01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:47.960 my job okay um so so you use it for your job 01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:51.760 mainly then that's a that's a major part of it 01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:55.819 yeah yeah okay okay and do you do home labbing 01:11:55.819 --> 01:12:00.140 a lot so yeah i have like i said i have a um 01:12:00.140 --> 01:12:04.399 the trunas scale and i run like uh searching 01:12:05.069 --> 01:12:08.890 It's S -E -A -R -X -N -G. So I'm actually using 01:12:08.890 --> 01:12:11.789 a private search engine for all my browsers. 01:12:12.069 --> 01:12:19.090 Okay. I am running FreshRSS. Okay. And that is 01:12:19.090 --> 01:12:22.489 something that I use primarily. I mean, it's 01:12:22.489 --> 01:12:25.529 a news aggregator, basically, is what it is. 01:12:26.489 --> 01:12:28.729 The cool thing that I found recently is that 01:12:28.729 --> 01:12:31.010 like with all this really beautiful software 01:12:31.010 --> 01:12:33.550 that's out there, that's FOSS and on GitHub, 01:12:33.710 --> 01:12:36.609 GitLab, CodeBird, things like that, all of them 01:12:36.609 --> 01:12:40.909 have an RSS link. And so when you put that RSS 01:12:40.909 --> 01:12:44.930 link in the fresh RSS feed reader, it actually 01:12:44.930 --> 01:12:48.770 shows commits. that uh have been made to these 01:12:48.770 --> 01:12:50.989 software projects and so i go in there sometimes 01:12:50.989 --> 01:12:54.289 i'm like oh look at that uh you know uh ghosty 01:12:54.289 --> 01:12:57.449 just went up uh you know a version because you 01:12:57.449 --> 01:12:59.149 know because you could see the commit rather 01:12:59.149 --> 01:13:01.470 than go to all these different locations and 01:13:01.470 --> 01:13:04.470 stuff like that the feed reader shows me a list 01:13:04.470 --> 01:13:09.069 of everything that's been updated um so there's 01:13:09.069 --> 01:13:15.140 that uh there's the open ai stuff and then but 01:13:15.140 --> 01:13:16.859 I can't remember what it is right this second. 01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:20.340 But yeah, home labbing is something that I do. 01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:24.579 Okay, awesome. So you're not against AI. You 01:13:24.579 --> 01:13:26.979 think it's a useful tool and you actually use 01:13:26.979 --> 01:13:29.720 it. Yes. I mean, there's going to be some caveats 01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:35.640 there. Do I want AI to make decisions? No, I 01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:39.159 don't want AI to make decisions. Do I think that 01:13:39.159 --> 01:13:44.689 AI is causing people to... lose their critical 01:13:44.689 --> 01:13:48.829 thinking yes i think i think that that is a major 01:13:48.829 --> 01:13:52.170 issue that people's critical thinking is getting 01:13:52.170 --> 01:13:56.590 like hampered and and it is a tool that could 01:13:56.590 --> 01:13:59.329 definitely make you dumber if you allow it to 01:13:59.329 --> 01:14:06.930 um so yes i i see there are pitfalls yeah i agree 01:14:06.930 --> 01:14:11.220 i agree with that as well okay Do you use AI 01:14:11.220 --> 01:14:14.800 a lot? Because I know that a lot of coders are 01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:18.579 not. I'm not a coder. I'm not a programmer. Oh, 01:14:18.579 --> 01:14:21.800 okay. Yeah. I do more infrastructure stuff. I 01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:25.920 do more. But I do a little bit of coding. AI, 01:14:26.260 --> 01:14:32.239 I use it. Yes, I use it. Let me ask it this way. 01:14:32.319 --> 01:14:36.619 Do you use it for like if you get an error message? 01:14:37.800 --> 01:14:39.920 When you're doing something and you're like, 01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:41.800 I'm trying to install something and you get this 01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:45.159 weird server error message and you copy it and 01:14:45.159 --> 01:14:48.539 put it to AI and go, what does this mean? Do 01:14:48.539 --> 01:14:52.479 you do that? I used it a lot at the beginning 01:14:52.479 --> 01:14:56.600 because it was new and I was like, okay. But 01:14:56.600 --> 01:15:00.199 I noticed that I had to go around in circles 01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:05.939 a lot. I tend to look for that in Google still, 01:15:06.220 --> 01:15:08.840 like the old way, because I find a lot of answers 01:15:08.840 --> 01:15:12.180 still in Stack Overflow. Even if the AI is trained 01:15:12.180 --> 01:15:15.819 on it, it usually doesn't know. I think it doesn't 01:15:15.819 --> 01:15:18.539 have all the context. I don't provide enough 01:15:18.539 --> 01:15:21.859 context to understand the issue and what's going 01:15:21.859 --> 01:15:24.760 on. Sometimes you just want to be brief with 01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:26.899 it and you want it to understand you, and it's 01:15:26.899 --> 01:15:32.100 not. You're not even explaining well. So I use 01:15:32.100 --> 01:15:36.899 it. Sometimes for errors, but I prefer to look 01:15:36.899 --> 01:15:39.439 for them. I don't know, depending on the day. 01:15:39.579 --> 01:15:43.659 Yeah, but we could say I do. Yeah, I do. Yeah. 01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:46.399 What about you? Yeah. Yeah, I do as well. I mean, 01:15:46.439 --> 01:15:49.960 like I said, sometimes the research part of it, 01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:53.260 I think is just valuable. And I was telling you, 01:15:53.279 --> 01:15:56.359 my son actually did an internship with a large 01:15:56.359 --> 01:16:02.529 company that. His goal was to come up with an 01:16:02.529 --> 01:16:06.550 analytical, well, it was an analytics problem, 01:16:06.850 --> 01:16:09.789 basically. And it took him kind of like, I think, 01:16:09.789 --> 01:16:13.890 10 or 12 weeks to actually map out the solution. 01:16:14.050 --> 01:16:18.449 And he had to use AI in order to come up with 01:16:18.449 --> 01:16:22.369 a solution that could be replicated. Because 01:16:22.369 --> 01:16:26.399 he's going to have a degree in economics. It's 01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:28.039 not really economics, but it's more specialized 01:16:28.039 --> 01:16:30.119 than that. But it's going to be economics and 01:16:30.119 --> 01:16:34.220 statistics. And so he has these kind of tools 01:16:34.220 --> 01:16:39.119 that he needs to use in order to come up with 01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:43.039 these business models that they're using for 01:16:43.039 --> 01:16:46.760 their human resources and things like that. So 01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:53.079 anyway, the business application of it is here. 01:16:53.479 --> 01:16:57.920 And it's not going to go anywhere. So when it 01:16:57.920 --> 01:17:02.600 comes right down to it, is it necessary? It kind 01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:08.380 of is at this point. Is it helpful? Yes. Is it 01:17:08.380 --> 01:17:13.979 dangerous? Absolutely. So, you know, it's hard 01:17:13.979 --> 01:17:17.140 to, yeah, it's hard not, I don't want everyone 01:17:17.140 --> 01:17:21.619 to say, hey, Drew thinks it's great. Yes, but, 01:17:21.739 --> 01:17:25.630 you know, it's also very dangerous too, so. Yeah, 01:17:25.630 --> 01:17:28.630 it is great sometimes, but sometimes it's really 01:17:28.630 --> 01:17:32.550 dumb as well. So you lose a lot of time. I use 01:17:32.550 --> 01:17:34.550 it a lot. Let's say that I want to come up with 01:17:34.550 --> 01:17:37.930 a key map in Neobim. It's just like, okay, look, 01:17:38.069 --> 01:17:40.489 I want you to do this specifically. I give it 01:17:40.489 --> 01:17:43.289 all the specifics. Sometimes it gets it right. 01:17:43.430 --> 01:17:45.489 Sometimes it doesn't. I have to go and review 01:17:45.489 --> 01:17:47.409 everything and tell it, no, what are you doing 01:17:47.409 --> 01:17:50.289 here? To this, you know, specifically, if I don't 01:17:50.289 --> 01:17:52.770 know the language, it's useful. But still have 01:17:52.770 --> 01:17:55.329 to check on what it's doing. Some other times, 01:17:55.449 --> 01:17:59.149 it just wastes my time. So I'd rather do it myself. 01:18:00.670 --> 01:18:03.829 It is useful. Yeah, it gives me ideas sometimes. 01:18:04.250 --> 01:18:06.710 And then I can go and look in the documentation 01:18:06.710 --> 01:18:10.189 and figure it out on my own. So it's good for 01:18:10.189 --> 01:18:14.609 ideas. I trust it. I don't trust it. I don't 01:18:14.609 --> 01:18:17.270 know. It's sometimes it's good. Sometimes it's 01:18:17.270 --> 01:18:20.750 bad. It's just a tool, you know? So yeah. Yeah. 01:18:21.010 --> 01:18:24.710 Sometimes it's, it's useful actually. And are 01:18:24.710 --> 01:18:28.970 you a single monitor person or multiple monitors? 01:18:29.310 --> 01:18:34.229 Yeah. One, one. Most of the time. Yeah. We were 01:18:34.229 --> 01:18:36.210 talking about before we actually started recording 01:18:36.210 --> 01:18:39.550 and stuff. I use a 34 inch ultra wide monitor 01:18:39.550 --> 01:18:44.319 for my. my window manager. That's all I really 01:18:44.319 --> 01:18:48.960 need. And, and, and to Matt's point, Matt from 01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:51.520 the Linux cast is always just like DWM is like 01:18:51.520 --> 01:18:57.500 the perfect one monitor window manager because 01:18:57.500 --> 01:19:01.939 it, it just, you know, because it doesn't handle 01:19:01.939 --> 01:19:04.119 multiple monitors as well as some of the other 01:19:04.119 --> 01:19:07.800 ones, frankly. But for me, it's just like, it's 01:19:07.800 --> 01:19:11.500 butter. It's just pure butter. Yeah. and why 01:19:11.500 --> 01:19:14.460 did you decide to go with a single monitor not 01:19:14.460 --> 01:19:17.239 because i see that people nowadays use two three 01:19:17.239 --> 01:19:20.939 monitors even a vertical one there yeah i tried 01:19:20.939 --> 01:19:22.680 actually there's i have it set up over there 01:19:22.680 --> 01:19:27.039 to my right and where i was like doing a uh a 01:19:27.039 --> 01:19:30.720 vertical monitor with a regular like you know 01:19:31.400 --> 01:19:35.239 1920 by 1080 monitor, just normal aspect ratio 01:19:35.239 --> 01:19:37.800 and stuff. And the one thing that I thought was 01:19:37.800 --> 01:19:41.199 kind of cool was actually loading either a webpage 01:19:41.199 --> 01:19:44.020 or code in that vertical monitor. So you can 01:19:44.020 --> 01:19:47.119 see more, uh, more real estate. That was kind 01:19:47.119 --> 01:19:50.960 of a cool thing. Um, but no, I just, no, I don't 01:19:50.960 --> 01:19:53.539 need it. I just need the one monitor and, and 01:19:53.539 --> 01:19:56.220 to, you know, would I want to use the monitor 01:19:56.220 --> 01:20:01.699 that I'm using for this? Um, No, I need my ultra 01:20:01.699 --> 01:20:07.159 wide monitor. It's such a helpful thing for my 01:20:07.159 --> 01:20:11.399 workflow. Okay. We have DT in the chat. I see 01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:15.380 him. How's it going? Yeah, so single monitor. 01:20:15.619 --> 01:20:18.340 I cannot focus on two things at a time. So I 01:20:18.340 --> 01:20:21.960 also use a single monitor. I cannot pay attention 01:20:21.960 --> 01:20:26.479 to two things. What size are you using? 32 inch 01:20:26.479 --> 01:20:31.779 monitor. Yeah. I think 32 is the size. But yeah, 01:20:31.880 --> 01:20:35.439 I don't like ultrawides. The reason is because 01:20:35.439 --> 01:20:39.439 if I switch to my laptop computer, I want the 01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:42.159 workflow to be exactly the same. So I can work 01:20:42.159 --> 01:20:45.819 the exact same way on my laptop and on my desktop. 01:20:46.100 --> 01:20:48.760 Like, have you felt that when you, or do you 01:20:48.760 --> 01:20:51.720 use a laptop or no, not at all? No, in fact, 01:20:51.739 --> 01:20:55.159 I rarely use a phone. I rarely use another monitor. 01:20:55.239 --> 01:20:59.130 Sorry, another like setup other than, When I'm 01:20:59.130 --> 01:21:01.529 recording for YouTube. Okay. That's the only 01:21:01.529 --> 01:21:04.409 other time I use like this setup that you're 01:21:04.409 --> 01:21:08.489 seeing right here is like, you know, I, to your 01:21:08.489 --> 01:21:13.050 point, 1920 by 1080 is the best way to record 01:21:13.050 --> 01:21:16.829 your screen. Yeah. For the viewers. Yeah. For 01:21:16.829 --> 01:21:20.310 the viewers. I have done two videos in the past 01:21:20.310 --> 01:21:23.109 that used my ultra wide. They thought it was 01:21:23.109 --> 01:21:25.550 really cool. I mean, I think Matt, Matt even 01:21:25.550 --> 01:21:28.850 said something like. Dude, I like that. I like 01:21:28.850 --> 01:21:30.710 that. So I did it again, but then it was just 01:21:30.710 --> 01:21:32.689 like, nah, it's not that great. It's not as good 01:21:32.689 --> 01:21:35.789 as he said it was. But could viewers see the 01:21:35.789 --> 01:21:38.930 small letters, right? Because the font, I guess, 01:21:38.930 --> 01:21:39.829 was too small. Yeah, that's a good question. 01:21:40.050 --> 01:21:45.069 I don't know. I tried to change the resolution 01:21:45.069 --> 01:21:47.949 and dumb it down a little bit and then was going 01:21:47.949 --> 01:21:52.090 to send you a video of what it looked like on 01:21:52.090 --> 01:21:54.710 YouTube. But then I was just like, ah, forget 01:21:54.710 --> 01:21:58.159 it. Never mind. It was going to be too much trouble. 01:21:58.239 --> 01:22:01.659 So I just ended up unplugging one monitor in 01:22:01.659 --> 01:22:06.720 and then plugging in a still normal. Oh, OK. 01:22:06.939 --> 01:22:12.000 OK. For this application. OK. And hold on. I 01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:15.720 have some spam in here. I don't know how to block 01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:21.800 this. Hold on a second. Viewers. No. It's going 01:22:21.800 --> 01:22:27.600 to block this. OK. There we go. It was a message 01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:33.060 coming from Twitch chat. Okay. And regarding 01:22:33.060 --> 01:22:37.140 the window manager, I see that kids these days 01:22:37.140 --> 01:22:40.520 like to have all their tiles and they have tiles 01:22:40.520 --> 01:22:43.539 this size. You cannot even see a damn thing when 01:22:43.539 --> 01:22:46.560 you're using tiles, right? So are you into tiles 01:22:46.560 --> 01:22:50.720 or you're into a single application on the screen 01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:53.479 at a time? What are your thoughts? Um, yeah, 01:22:53.600 --> 01:22:56.399 most of the time it depends. I mean, okay. So, 01:22:56.399 --> 01:22:58.359 and I'm going to go back to sound, I'm going 01:22:58.359 --> 01:23:00.500 to sound very redundant here, but you know, on 01:23:00.500 --> 01:23:05.060 an ultra wide monitor, I can get two windows 01:23:05.060 --> 01:23:08.699 basically, and they're side by side and it makes 01:23:08.699 --> 01:23:12.340 a lot of sense for me. Beyond that, it gets a 01:23:12.340 --> 01:23:16.000 little cluttery. So I'll just either move it 01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:18.520 to a different, um, to a different workspace 01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:22.079 or. Since I'm in DWM, it's called a tag, not 01:23:22.079 --> 01:23:25.880 a workspace. So I move it to a different tag, 01:23:25.960 --> 01:23:29.159 which I have 12 tags that I'm using currently. 01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:37.199 So there's plenty of spaces to put stuff. Now, 01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:43.840 I think that, like I said, if I was using a monitor 01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:48.579 that had, like, The aspect ratio that I'm looking 01:23:48.579 --> 01:23:52.460 at right now, I would not want to be on. I would 01:23:52.460 --> 01:23:55.399 actually want just one window, I think, per tag. 01:23:57.000 --> 01:24:00.420 Okay. Yeah. On the ultrawide, I think it makes 01:24:00.420 --> 01:24:03.800 sense. But yeah, the reason that I don't use 01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:07.100 ultrawides is because if I would switch to my 01:24:07.100 --> 01:24:10.720 laptop screen, I would be basically crippled 01:24:10.720 --> 01:24:13.619 and I couldn't work. The workflow would be completely 01:24:13.619 --> 01:24:19.319 different. Yeah, I only work in one space. That's 01:24:19.319 --> 01:24:22.020 it. Yeah, I just, I work on, you know, and I'll 01:24:22.020 --> 01:24:26.600 like, I will walk out of my, I'll go out of my 01:24:26.600 --> 01:24:30.020 way just to go back to my normal workspace. You 01:24:30.020 --> 01:24:32.020 know, like, it's like some people will like, 01:24:32.140 --> 01:24:34.399 hey, I'm doing something on my phone and it's 01:24:34.399 --> 01:24:39.460 like that. I'll go and like, if I have to like 01:24:39.460 --> 01:24:42.079 look at a webpage almost, then I'll actually 01:24:42.079 --> 01:24:45.329 like go out of my way to. Avoid using my phone 01:24:45.329 --> 01:24:48.689 and actually go to my screen that I normally 01:24:48.689 --> 01:24:51.689 sit at. Yeah, I'm not good. I'm not good with 01:24:51.689 --> 01:24:57.750 the phone stuff. Yeah, I try not to use the phone 01:24:57.750 --> 01:25:00.250 as much as possible because sending messages 01:25:00.250 --> 01:25:02.949 for me is painful on the phone. It's like it 01:25:02.949 --> 01:25:06.949 takes me a lot of time. I make a lot of typos. 01:25:07.869 --> 01:25:11.250 I don't enjoy it. I actually have, I actually 01:25:11.250 --> 01:25:14.729 use my computer to send my text messages. Yeah, 01:25:14.750 --> 01:25:18.090 me too, me too. Unless I'm not on the computer. 01:25:18.449 --> 01:25:21.430 If I'm on the computer, I'm on the, I don't know, 01:25:21.449 --> 01:25:23.149 I look something on the phone, I need to reply. 01:25:23.229 --> 01:25:26.789 I never do it on the phone. Or if I'm, yeah, 01:25:26.829 --> 01:25:29.270 only if I'm outside, I have no choice, right? 01:25:29.350 --> 01:25:31.270 And I have to do it, but it takes me too long. 01:25:31.329 --> 01:25:34.569 I make a lot of typos. I don't enjoy it. Yeah. 01:25:34.649 --> 01:25:37.560 And what about keyboard? What do you use as your 01:25:37.560 --> 01:25:44.399 keyboard? This is a Keychron. It's plugged in. 01:25:44.420 --> 01:25:47.659 I guess you cannot show it, right? No, no, it's 01:25:47.659 --> 01:25:50.319 not. Okay, okay. I don't remember what model 01:25:50.319 --> 01:25:52.260 it is. I can look if you're that interested, 01:25:52.420 --> 01:25:55.460 but it's a Keychron. Yeah, I'm not going to remember. 01:25:55.800 --> 01:25:58.239 Okay, okay. And have you thought about split 01:25:58.239 --> 01:26:02.579 keyboards? No, heck no. Why not? No. I don't 01:26:02.579 --> 01:26:04.439 know. It's just for kids. Yeah, I don't know. 01:26:04.640 --> 01:26:07.699 I've seen a lot of, it's, It's just not for me. 01:26:07.840 --> 01:26:11.819 It's just, I'm old school. I'm just, you know, 01:26:11.819 --> 01:26:14.560 and I do have a, I have a Keychron mouse too. 01:26:16.600 --> 01:26:22.760 But I think that's an M7, by the way. Yeah, no, 01:26:22.979 --> 01:26:25.640 I'm not. There's a lot of keyboard enthusiasts 01:26:25.640 --> 01:26:28.399 out there. I'm just not one of them. I like this 01:26:28.399 --> 01:26:31.239 one. I handpicked this one. I was like, oh yeah, 01:26:31.319 --> 01:26:32.680 I'm going to do a little research to get myself 01:26:32.680 --> 01:26:36.640 a new keyboard. My other one was just. too loud 01:26:36.640 --> 01:26:41.239 it was too loud and when i was like you know 01:26:41.239 --> 01:26:43.899 i was typing it was just like man i was recording 01:26:43.899 --> 01:26:45.899 something it was just like man that's really 01:26:45.899 --> 01:26:50.300 stinking loud so um yeah i just decided to to 01:26:50.300 --> 01:26:52.119 get something new i like this one though this 01:26:52.119 --> 01:26:55.039 one's really nice and is it silent switches or 01:26:55.039 --> 01:26:59.840 no oh dude um you like silent ones or you like 01:26:59.840 --> 01:27:02.319 it's not silent no it's got a little bit of it's 01:27:02.319 --> 01:27:05.760 got a little bit of sound to it uh What is it? 01:27:05.800 --> 01:27:09.140 Brown keys? Does that sound right? I think, yeah. 01:27:09.140 --> 01:27:11.800 Purple keys or something? I don't know about 01:27:11.800 --> 01:27:15.319 keyboards either. Yeah, I'm not a hardware guy. 01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:18.739 Not even a little bit. No? Yeah. This one's nice 01:27:18.739 --> 01:27:20.899 and it sounds really good. My son thinks it's 01:27:20.899 --> 01:27:22.779 the best keyboard he's ever seen in his life. 01:27:23.340 --> 01:27:27.479 That gives me a little dad cred. So, nice. Yeah. 01:27:27.560 --> 01:27:29.779 And what about the layout? You use QWERTY or 01:27:29.779 --> 01:27:32.539 you use one of the other ones? No, just QWERTY. 01:27:32.779 --> 01:27:35.340 Have you thought about switching to... Dude, 01:27:35.340 --> 01:27:37.380 I can barely type as it is and you're going to 01:27:37.380 --> 01:27:39.319 try to like get me on a different like keyboard? 01:27:39.560 --> 01:27:42.520 You got to be out of your mind. You got to be 01:27:42.520 --> 01:27:45.579 out of your mind. Yeah, me neither. I'm in QWERTY 01:27:45.579 --> 01:27:48.439 and I'm not switching away from that. I did get 01:27:48.439 --> 01:27:50.960 a split keyboard, but it was just because I had 01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:54.319 forearm pain. I think it helped. I want to believe 01:27:54.319 --> 01:27:57.680 it helped. I have to tell my wife that it helped 01:27:57.680 --> 01:28:02.920 because it was like $400 or something. But yeah. 01:28:04.369 --> 01:28:09.210 that's a lot yeah it's a lot of money for for 01:28:09.210 --> 01:28:14.369 just a keyboard and um let's see let's talk about 01:28:14.369 --> 01:28:17.029 how much time do you have left you have to run 01:28:17.029 --> 01:28:20.329 already uh no i'm good i'm good you're good okay 01:28:20.329 --> 01:28:25.130 let's talk about not technical stuff um are you 01:28:25.130 --> 01:28:28.069 into movies which ones would you recommend um 01:28:28.069 --> 01:28:32.449 i I actually watched you and Tony talk about 01:28:32.449 --> 01:28:34.550 this a little bit. I think y 'all have a different, 01:28:34.670 --> 01:28:39.770 like, you guys are big thinkers. So, you know, 01:28:39.789 --> 01:28:42.989 I liked Dune. I think that was one of the things 01:28:42.989 --> 01:28:44.670 that Tony was talking about. I didn't like it 01:28:44.670 --> 01:28:46.930 either. You watched it? No, I liked it. Oh, you 01:28:46.930 --> 01:28:48.750 liked it? Yeah, I liked it. Yeah, Tony likes 01:28:48.750 --> 01:28:52.569 it. Everyone likes it, except me. Yep. Listen, 01:28:52.930 --> 01:28:55.590 I, well, first of all, I read the books. Okay. 01:28:56.489 --> 01:29:00.470 And I also, there was a, film called dune in 01:29:00.470 --> 01:29:04.310 1984 that came out and i was like a huge fan 01:29:04.310 --> 01:29:07.390 of that that movie as well okay so when this 01:29:07.390 --> 01:29:10.989 one came out and i listen i think the the movie 01:29:10.989 --> 01:29:14.489 the spectacle of the movie was fascinating to 01:29:14.489 --> 01:29:17.050 me you know it had nothing to do with acting 01:29:17.050 --> 01:29:19.210 it had it had a little bit had a little bit to 01:29:19.210 --> 01:29:22.850 do with storytelling but i really thought that 01:29:22.850 --> 01:29:26.430 they they filmed it in a way that just made things 01:29:26.430 --> 01:29:29.810 look amazing Yeah, it looks good. Yep. Yeah. 01:29:30.630 --> 01:29:34.090 And if you see it, listen, if you see it on your 01:29:34.090 --> 01:29:38.390 television, it's not going to be nearly as good 01:29:38.390 --> 01:29:41.489 as if you saw it in the theater. There's a few 01:29:41.489 --> 01:29:43.489 things that I think I want to see in the theater, 01:29:43.569 --> 01:29:47.649 and that would be one of them, that kind of immersive 01:29:47.649 --> 01:29:54.859 experience. Now, DT is saying in the comments 01:29:54.859 --> 01:29:57.840 that the audio mixing on the new one, because 01:29:57.840 --> 01:30:00.800 there's two movies, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:30:00.899 --> 01:30:03.720 I just watched the number one. Are you talking 01:30:03.720 --> 01:30:06.340 about the number one or the number two, DT? I 01:30:06.340 --> 01:30:11.060 think they're both beautifully filmed. So I have 01:30:11.060 --> 01:30:16.199 seen Hans Zimmer actually perform. some of the 01:30:16.199 --> 01:30:19.460 soundtrack stuff that DT is talking about. It 01:30:19.460 --> 01:30:22.739 was amazing. It was amazing watching it in a 01:30:22.739 --> 01:30:25.220 live performance. It was amazing. Yeah. But yeah, 01:30:25.279 --> 01:30:29.159 he's right. Number one is probably down to it. 01:30:30.140 --> 01:30:33.119 Okay. Okay. But you know, what's funny is I, 01:30:33.140 --> 01:30:36.180 I don't, I watched probably more television like 01:30:36.180 --> 01:30:40.659 shows than I do watch movies, you know, like, 01:30:40.699 --> 01:30:43.079 you know, you know, like if I was just, you know, 01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:47.060 Game of Thrones and watch like the entire, like, 01:30:47.060 --> 01:30:51.239 um, you know, almost binge watch the, you know, 01:30:51.260 --> 01:30:55.340 the whole, uh, eight seasons or six. I don't 01:30:55.340 --> 01:30:57.239 know how many seasons it was, but you know, that 01:30:57.239 --> 01:31:00.159 kind of thing where you get like totally caught 01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:02.140 up in it. And there's a few things that are like 01:31:02.140 --> 01:31:04.140 guilty pleasures and stuff like that too. It's 01:31:04.140 --> 01:31:06.640 like, I really liked that, but nobody else does 01:31:06.640 --> 01:31:10.060 type thing, you know, like Ash versus evil dead. 01:31:11.990 --> 01:31:15.649 It's hilarious to me. Or there's a couple of 01:31:15.649 --> 01:31:21.130 Canadian shows. One's called Letterkenny. I think 01:31:21.130 --> 01:31:25.550 that's hilarious. I know, not a lot of people 01:31:25.550 --> 01:31:27.750 are familiar with some of the shows that I've 01:31:27.750 --> 01:31:30.149 watched, but I think it's so funny. Did you ever 01:31:30.149 --> 01:31:32.609 watch The Office? Are you a fan or no? Or you 01:31:32.609 --> 01:31:35.250 hate it? No, my son is a massive fan of The Office, 01:31:35.310 --> 01:31:38.500 though. You didn't like it? I didn't watch it. 01:31:38.520 --> 01:31:41.399 No, I didn't watch it. Come on. Why? I don't 01:31:41.399 --> 01:31:45.939 know. I don't know. So he'll also say, I can't 01:31:45.939 --> 01:31:48.500 believe you didn't watch Breaking Bad. And he's 01:31:48.500 --> 01:31:51.479 like a huge Breaking Bad fan. I'm like, eh. I 01:31:51.479 --> 01:31:55.840 tried it once or twice. I didn't get immersed 01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:59.760 into the storyline or something. And he's like, 01:31:59.819 --> 01:32:01.500 you've got to get to season two. I was like, 01:32:01.539 --> 01:32:03.159 well, then I've got to watch the whole thing. 01:32:03.180 --> 01:32:05.770 Which one? The Office, right? No, no, no, he's 01:32:05.770 --> 01:32:07.909 talking about Breaking Bad. Yeah, he's talking 01:32:07.909 --> 01:32:10.069 about Breaking Bad. Yeah, if you ever watch The 01:32:10.069 --> 01:32:13.310 Office, you have to get past season one because 01:32:13.310 --> 01:32:16.069 it's not that great, season one, but just keep 01:32:16.069 --> 01:32:18.710 watching season two, then you will not be able 01:32:18.710 --> 01:32:22.050 to stop. It'll reach to a point in which you, 01:32:22.189 --> 01:32:25.989 I wouldn't recommend you to keep watching. Someone, 01:32:26.210 --> 01:32:29.069 yeah, I'm not going to say anything, but yeah, 01:32:29.109 --> 01:32:33.489 I'm a big fan of The Office. I love it. Okay. 01:32:33.899 --> 01:32:36.800 Yeah. So you're more into shows than movies? 01:32:37.420 --> 01:32:40.640 I guess. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, that would be fair. 01:32:40.939 --> 01:32:43.239 Yeah. And are you into music? Yeah, I used to 01:32:43.239 --> 01:32:45.000 play music. I've seen, like, you've got a guitar 01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:46.739 in the background, I think. I don't know if I 01:32:46.739 --> 01:32:48.840 can see it right now. Yeah, it's not great. I 01:32:48.840 --> 01:32:51.359 used to actually play, I used to play an acoustic 01:32:51.359 --> 01:32:57.800 duo. Simon and Garfunkel. No, not that, not that. 01:32:58.079 --> 01:33:04.789 No, no. But we used to play locally in bars and 01:33:04.789 --> 01:33:07.630 stuff like that. Oh, really? Acoustic? Yeah, 01:33:08.109 --> 01:33:10.550 yeah. Just two voices and two acoustic guitars. 01:33:10.850 --> 01:33:14.409 And we would play a lot of all kinds of stuff. 01:33:14.430 --> 01:33:21.590 R .E .M. Some U2 songs can be easily translated 01:33:21.590 --> 01:33:26.750 into acoustic. So yeah, that was fun. Yeah, and 01:33:26.750 --> 01:33:30.189 did you leave the... music behind you don't play 01:33:30.189 --> 01:33:33.930 anymore you know i no i don't and it's not because 01:33:33.930 --> 01:33:36.789 i don't enjoy music it's just it's just like 01:33:36.789 --> 01:33:41.090 life you know gets in the way and when you you 01:33:41.090 --> 01:33:45.229 know start you cannot do two things at once right 01:33:45.229 --> 01:33:48.510 or you or you play or you play with uh your config 01:33:48.510 --> 01:33:53.960 right yeah This is a lot easier than going back 01:33:53.960 --> 01:33:56.439 over there and listening to myself either play 01:33:56.439 --> 01:33:59.779 or sing. And that's like, oh man, where have 01:33:59.779 --> 01:34:04.760 I gone? What have I become? Yeah. And which bands 01:34:04.760 --> 01:34:07.659 would you recommend? Do you want to mention two 01:34:07.659 --> 01:34:13.100 bands? So I guess, let me just name one right 01:34:13.100 --> 01:34:16.949 now. Well, I'll name two. Okay, so. I guess I'm 01:34:16.949 --> 01:34:20.989 getting older and I'm getting more, I don't know 01:34:20.989 --> 01:34:23.470 what the right word is, but basically I'm kind 01:34:23.470 --> 01:34:27.430 of digging Americana type music or folk type, 01:34:27.529 --> 01:34:30.430 folk country Americana type music these days. 01:34:30.569 --> 01:34:35.369 And so there's a guy that I actually saw in Florida 01:34:35.369 --> 01:34:39.369 and his name is Steven Wilson Jr. And I think 01:34:39.369 --> 01:34:42.489 he's really stinking good. And it's funny because 01:34:42.489 --> 01:34:46.949 he's not well known. But the one thing that was 01:34:46.949 --> 01:34:52.609 – I messaged him on Instagram about a couple 01:34:52.609 --> 01:34:56.250 years ago, and he had like 10 ,000 followers 01:34:56.250 --> 01:34:59.710 or maybe less. This guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. 01:34:59.930 --> 01:35:06.010 And now he's got like 200 or 500 ,000 Instagram 01:35:06.010 --> 01:35:08.850 followers now, and he's getting big. He's getting 01:35:08.850 --> 01:35:13.949 pretty big. So there's him. And then there, I 01:35:13.949 --> 01:35:17.029 mean, I guess the Lone Bellow is someone I like 01:35:17.029 --> 01:35:22.689 right now. The Lone Bellow? Like this? Yep. What 01:35:22.689 --> 01:35:25.550 is this? What type of music is it? It's kind 01:35:25.550 --> 01:35:27.890 of, I've seen them do acoustic sets. I've seen 01:35:27.890 --> 01:35:32.210 them do kind of like band stuff. It's a trio, 01:35:32.470 --> 01:35:38.189 obviously. And they are kind of in the Americana 01:35:38.189 --> 01:35:41.050 type space. So yeah. They're good. They're really 01:35:41.050 --> 01:35:45.630 good. Okay. Yeah. It's not for everybody. It's 01:35:45.630 --> 01:35:48.149 just, you know, but I dig it. Yeah, but it's 01:35:48.149 --> 01:35:50.770 good. So people can, you know, know about new 01:35:50.770 --> 01:35:53.189 music as well. Because I got tired of the music 01:35:53.189 --> 01:35:55.130 that I listen to all the time. And I don't listen 01:35:55.130 --> 01:35:58.970 to anything new. So I'm in a loop. And I'm stuck. 01:35:59.310 --> 01:36:02.409 And I don't enjoy music anymore. And are you 01:36:02.409 --> 01:36:05.630 into video games? Not even a little bit. No? 01:36:05.729 --> 01:36:08.770 Not even a little bit. No. No? I did used to 01:36:08.770 --> 01:36:12.170 use my son's PS5 and play, like, FIFA every once 01:36:12.170 --> 01:36:14.109 in a while. That was the game that I would play. 01:36:15.210 --> 01:36:17.970 Because, you know, soccer player, soccer game, 01:36:18.090 --> 01:36:24.090 so it made sense. Okay, okay. Now, what distro 01:36:24.090 --> 01:36:26.750 would you recommend to someone just starting 01:36:26.750 --> 01:36:30.210 out than Drew? What would you say? Yeah, it'd 01:36:30.210 --> 01:36:34.590 have to be either Pop, Ubuntu, or Linux Mint, 01:36:34.649 --> 01:36:37.819 one of those three. Probably Mint. Depends where 01:36:37.819 --> 01:36:40.359 they're coming from, I guess, too. If you're 01:36:40.359 --> 01:36:42.279 a Windows user, I probably would go with Linux 01:36:42.279 --> 01:36:44.199 Mint. I think there's nothing wrong with that. 01:36:44.319 --> 01:36:47.619 I really like what they do in terms of appealing 01:36:47.619 --> 01:36:56.079 to a newer user. So, yeah, that's not earth -shattering. 01:36:56.159 --> 01:37:02.060 Everyone kind of says Linux Mint or Pop or something 01:37:02.060 --> 01:37:04.539 like that. Have you tried any of these before? 01:37:06.239 --> 01:37:09.140 Servers? I always run Debian. Just servers? Just 01:37:09.140 --> 01:37:12.859 Debian, okay. Just servers. Have you used a Ubuntu 01:37:12.859 --> 01:37:16.539 server as well? Or have you done work on Ubuntu 01:37:16.539 --> 01:37:20.079 servers? Because that seems to be more in line 01:37:20.079 --> 01:37:25.720 with their future, I would say. Yeah. I used 01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:29.479 to use Ubuntu servers a lot in the past. But 01:37:29.479 --> 01:37:33.680 I was like, man, but why don't I go to the daddy, 01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:36.560 right? Why do I use Ubuntu? And I was like, no. 01:37:37.119 --> 01:37:38.960 I don't need to use Ubuntu anymore. So I just 01:37:38.960 --> 01:37:41.659 switched to Debian and I have been running all 01:37:41.659 --> 01:37:44.960 of my servers in Debian. You know, a lot of the 01:37:44.960 --> 01:37:50.039 documentation is Debian related, right? I run 01:37:50.039 --> 01:37:54.340 my own DNS servers. I have three servers. I use 01:37:54.340 --> 01:37:57.579 Bind9. A lot of the documentation is Debian, 01:37:57.640 --> 01:38:02.199 you know, focused. I run my storage servers as 01:38:02.199 --> 01:38:05.590 well. I use Gluster. It's old. I know I should 01:38:05.590 --> 01:38:07.949 be using something else, but I don't need Ubuntu. 01:38:08.369 --> 01:38:12.029 Debian works just fine on servers. I even run 01:38:12.029 --> 01:38:15.189 Kubernetes, Stuckers, Swarm. Everything works 01:38:15.189 --> 01:38:19.770 fine. So yeah, Debian. And that's the reason 01:38:19.770 --> 01:38:23.149 why I want to give it a try on the desktop as 01:38:23.149 --> 01:38:26.890 well. Since it works so well for me, at least 01:38:26.890 --> 01:38:30.770 on servers, I want to give it a try. Yours looks 01:38:30.770 --> 01:38:33.960 pretty cool. to be honest. So that's what I want. 01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:36.180 Can I, can I do a little more of a demo? Oh yeah, 01:38:36.199 --> 01:38:38.779 for sure. For sure. Let me switch over to your 01:38:38.779 --> 01:38:43.359 screen. You're ready. Yeah. So this is, if you're 01:38:43.359 --> 01:38:49.279 looking, um, this is DWM and I have 12 workspaces 01:38:49.279 --> 01:38:52.800 and I'm using, well, we call them tags on DWM, 01:38:52.840 --> 01:38:54.760 but basically essentially they're workspaces. 01:38:54.779 --> 01:38:58.100 Okay. This little thing here. And again, this 01:38:58.100 --> 01:39:00.159 is something that I've basically, you know, everything 01:39:00.159 --> 01:39:02.960 is kind of like built the way I designed it now. 01:39:03.640 --> 01:39:08.199 This is the, up here would be the layouts. So 01:39:08.199 --> 01:39:10.640 you could switch between layouts. And this here. 01:39:10.699 --> 01:39:12.579 What do you mean? Like you can switch between. 01:39:12.779 --> 01:39:15.039 Yeah. So let's, I'm just going to open up a bunch 01:39:15.039 --> 01:39:19.520 of things. Okay. And so if I say, if I click 01:39:19.520 --> 01:39:24.750 on this, it's going to change it to a. tiling 01:39:24.750 --> 01:39:27.750 a different type of tiler so like master right 01:39:27.750 --> 01:39:31.470 yeah master and stack exactly okay okay and i 01:39:31.470 --> 01:39:33.390 i'm just going to switch these between these 01:39:33.390 --> 01:39:38.189 two okay but i in in my configuration if i hit 01:39:38.189 --> 01:39:44.329 super shift l it actually tells me all the layouts 01:39:44.329 --> 01:39:48.840 that i have in my in my configuration so column 01:39:48.840 --> 01:39:51.239 layout centered floating and all of these kind 01:39:51.239 --> 01:39:55.279 of like so oh let's go to deck okay and it basically 01:39:55.279 --> 01:39:58.920 it it only allows for two but you can still switch 01:39:58.920 --> 01:40:01.079 between i know you can't tell that i'm switching 01:40:01.079 --> 01:40:03.359 but you are that i can you know i am switching 01:40:03.359 --> 01:40:05.340 let me let me try a different one here for that 01:40:05.340 --> 01:40:11.760 so let's say grid how about that okay so it makes 01:40:11.760 --> 01:40:15.880 everything equal or if i want to i can say like 01:40:16.600 --> 01:40:19.840 um vertical columns just columns and stuff like 01:40:19.840 --> 01:40:22.439 that but you can switch between these layouts 01:40:22.439 --> 01:40:29.619 okay um if um if i move one to let's say the 01:40:29.619 --> 01:40:32.079 next workspace which is b workspace six i just 01:40:32.079 --> 01:40:35.739 have to sit use a super shift six and it's moved 01:40:35.739 --> 01:40:39.479 it and if i go back to five or super five now 01:40:39.479 --> 01:40:42.899 there's those three there but this thing will 01:40:42.899 --> 01:40:45.180 say because that's not everybody doesn't like 01:40:45.180 --> 01:40:49.300 for when you move something to a different workspace 01:40:49.300 --> 01:40:52.720 they don't necessarily want you to want it to 01:40:52.720 --> 01:40:55.960 follow okay so like what i just did there oh 01:40:55.960 --> 01:40:57.539 you just want to get rid of it but you don't 01:40:57.539 --> 01:40:59.380 want to yeah you just want to get rid of it okay 01:40:59.380 --> 01:41:02.000 okay so if you do that if you click if i click 01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:04.420 up here now it's not going to follow anymore 01:41:04.420 --> 01:41:08.199 so i hit i just go super shift six all right 01:41:08.199 --> 01:41:13.680 i'm still on workspace five But now six has two 01:41:13.680 --> 01:41:15.880 different works, two different windows rather. 01:41:16.140 --> 01:41:22.000 Okay. Okay. So with my DWM, I use a super H key 01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:24.819 bind. And what this is doing is it's showing 01:41:24.819 --> 01:41:29.600 a row fee so that all of the key binds that are 01:41:29.600 --> 01:41:32.760 actually being used, you can say, oh, look, or 01:41:32.760 --> 01:41:34.939 I want, or, you know, you can just say genie 01:41:34.939 --> 01:41:39.100 right there. And so that is super E. In case 01:41:39.100 --> 01:41:41.460 you forget them, right? Yeah. In case you forget. 01:41:41.539 --> 01:41:45.100 So it's basically a helper script that parses 01:41:45.100 --> 01:41:48.039 the key binds from the two different configuration 01:41:48.039 --> 01:41:51.199 files. Okay. So it's basically a script that 01:41:51.199 --> 01:41:54.640 I wrote for, for that specific thing. Okay. If 01:41:54.640 --> 01:41:57.619 I use super space bar, it's just going to, it's 01:41:57.619 --> 01:42:00.840 just my run launcher. And I can say, Oh, I want 01:42:00.840 --> 01:42:04.439 the Z terminal or Z text editor or something 01:42:04.439 --> 01:42:10.989 like that. Okay. So same thing. If I, If I open 01:42:10.989 --> 01:42:14.210 up a few things, okay, and you go, you know what? 01:42:14.270 --> 01:42:16.909 I don't want that in my stack. I can either drag 01:42:16.909 --> 01:42:20.130 it away from the stack and then either resize 01:42:20.130 --> 01:42:25.329 it or something like that. Or I want to, I can 01:42:25.329 --> 01:42:29.529 say super S, okay, super S, and it makes it sticky. 01:42:29.810 --> 01:42:34.250 So if I do go to a different workspace, that's 01:42:34.250 --> 01:42:37.369 still going to be there. So you can keep something 01:42:37.369 --> 01:42:45.189 ever -present on your monitor. Let me go back 01:42:45.189 --> 01:42:48.010 over here. If I also want to, I can say super 01:42:48.010 --> 01:42:52.310 shift space, and it basically takes it out of 01:42:52.310 --> 01:42:54.949 the stack and starts to float it. But if I don't 01:42:54.949 --> 01:42:56.890 want it, I say, oh, I wanted to put it back. 01:42:57.029 --> 01:42:59.770 So I just say it toggles it back by saying super 01:42:59.770 --> 01:43:03.109 shift space bar again, and it puts it back in 01:43:03.109 --> 01:43:08.430 the stack. The other thing I do is I use Thunar. 01:43:08.569 --> 01:43:13.289 I think that's very common. I use Thunar. I'm 01:43:13.289 --> 01:43:14.470 just trying to think of something that's really 01:43:14.470 --> 01:43:17.050 cool. What is that? Thunar is the file manager. 01:43:20.229 --> 01:43:22.550 There's nothing sexy about file managers, really. 01:43:23.289 --> 01:43:27.050 But like I was saying before, if you look at 01:43:27.050 --> 01:43:32.069 this as my CodeBerg DWM setup, there is an install 01:43:32.069 --> 01:43:36.300 script here. which basically says it's going 01:43:36.300 --> 01:43:39.380 to install all the packages necessary for you 01:43:39.380 --> 01:43:42.880 to have the same experience that I have with 01:43:42.880 --> 01:43:48.479 my Debian minimal install. Basically, I'm installing 01:43:48.479 --> 01:43:52.680 the very bare minimum on my machine, and then 01:43:52.680 --> 01:43:56.359 it runs through and installs all of this stuff. 01:43:57.220 --> 01:43:59.960 so that it gets to be what you're looking at 01:43:59.960 --> 01:44:02.579 right here. Now I have a question for you. When 01:44:02.579 --> 01:44:05.359 I installed Debian, I also used the minimal install, 01:44:05.619 --> 01:44:08.420 and I don't install a graphical user interface, 01:44:08.699 --> 01:44:10.819 right? Just terminal, because I don't need a 01:44:10.819 --> 01:44:13.020 graphical user interface on my servers. It doesn't 01:44:13.020 --> 01:44:15.819 make any sense for me. You would install exactly 01:44:15.819 --> 01:44:19.319 the same way, Christian, and then the only thing 01:44:19.319 --> 01:44:21.460 you would have to install additionally would 01:44:21.460 --> 01:44:26.260 be Git. Okay. And then run... and then say git 01:44:26.260 --> 01:44:29.340 clone. So get your repo, and then execute a script 01:44:29.340 --> 01:44:30.060 or something. Yeah, just go to here, just say 01:44:30.060 --> 01:44:32.899 git clone this, and then run that installer, 01:44:33.220 --> 01:44:37.560 and then you would get this. Okay. Makes sense. 01:44:37.720 --> 01:44:41.579 And what graphical user interface do you go with 01:44:41.579 --> 01:44:44.159 when you install Debian? Or do you install it 01:44:44.159 --> 01:44:47.619 without a graphical? Nothing. It's completely 01:44:47.619 --> 01:44:51.119 headless. So it installs, your script installs 01:44:51.119 --> 01:44:56.989 the graphical. Environment as well. I know that 01:44:56.989 --> 01:44:59.329 you don't like this word, but it installs Xorg. 01:45:00.069 --> 01:45:02.409 Okay. I don't even know the difference between 01:45:02.409 --> 01:45:06.670 Xorg and... So what is Xorg? Is that the old 01:45:06.670 --> 01:45:09.329 one? Yeah, it's the old one. It's not the new 01:45:09.329 --> 01:45:11.909 one. This is the old one. So Wayland would be 01:45:11.909 --> 01:45:14.649 the new one. Xorg is the old one. And is that 01:45:14.649 --> 01:45:17.029 a bad thing? It depends who you're asking. For 01:45:17.029 --> 01:45:19.859 me, it's... Fine. I mean, it works great for 01:45:19.859 --> 01:45:23.800 me. Is it, I mean, there's a lot of reasons why 01:45:23.800 --> 01:45:26.880 they decided that they were going to move on 01:45:26.880 --> 01:45:31.420 and stop developing any part of X .org. I guess 01:45:31.420 --> 01:45:35.899 there's security issues and memory leaks possibly, 01:45:35.960 --> 01:45:40.520 but I haven't had, I've had zero problems. Let's 01:45:40.520 --> 01:45:44.619 put it that way, you know? So, you know, as far 01:45:44.619 --> 01:45:48.220 as documentation. I think I've documented quite 01:45:48.220 --> 01:45:51.920 a bit of what gets installed and some of the 01:45:51.920 --> 01:45:54.439 reasoning behind it. And then there's key binds, 01:45:54.600 --> 01:45:58.039 there's layouts, and then there's all the patches 01:45:58.039 --> 01:46:01.819 that I'm using to make sure that, so to, you 01:46:01.819 --> 01:46:06.800 know, to add functionality. So, and then there's, 01:46:06.800 --> 01:46:10.199 I actually have the reasoning for each one of 01:46:10.199 --> 01:46:13.279 these packages that has been installed. So anyway. 01:46:13.819 --> 01:46:16.779 This is my version of DWM. I'm kind of like, 01:46:17.000 --> 01:46:20.279 you know, it's one of the things that I'm actually 01:46:20.279 --> 01:46:25.479 proud of, of the projects that I've done. Now, 01:46:25.699 --> 01:46:29.560 I have another question for you. Yes, sir. Why 01:46:29.560 --> 01:46:34.060 are you on Xorg and you don't move to Wayland? 01:46:34.159 --> 01:46:36.340 Is there a reason for that? Just going to connect 01:46:36.340 --> 01:46:38.859 my phone, but I'm listening here. Yeah, go on. 01:46:39.560 --> 01:46:43.460 Yeah, I guess the window managers that I've been 01:46:43.460 --> 01:46:49.640 using for years are on Xorg. And I am hesitant 01:46:49.640 --> 01:46:51.800 to move on because this is what I know really 01:46:51.800 --> 01:47:00.800 well. I mean, I have installed Sway as a window 01:47:00.800 --> 01:47:04.159 manager for Wayland. In fact, it was actually 01:47:04.159 --> 01:47:08.539 kind of popular on my GitHub when I had... when 01:47:08.539 --> 01:47:12.539 I was using that. Um, but this is, this is just 01:47:12.539 --> 01:47:14.500 what I know, you know, it's just what I know. 01:47:14.619 --> 01:47:19.300 And, and, and since we talked a little bit about, 01:47:19.359 --> 01:47:23.479 you know, um, productivity, you know, this is, 01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:27.140 this, this type of system makes me very, you 01:47:27.140 --> 01:47:30.039 know, allows me to be very productive. Okay. 01:47:30.159 --> 01:47:32.220 Um, there's no, is there anything wrong with 01:47:32.220 --> 01:47:34.479 hyperland? No, there's nothing wrong with hyperland. 01:47:34.560 --> 01:47:36.439 There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. In 01:47:36.439 --> 01:47:41.670 fact, um the thing that makes debian sometimes 01:47:41.670 --> 01:47:44.289 not that appealing is the fact that you can't 01:47:44.289 --> 01:47:46.609 get hyperland to work on debian oh you cannot 01:47:46.609 --> 01:47:50.270 no no no it just doesn't have it just does not 01:47:50.270 --> 01:47:53.310 have the um the latest and greatest packages 01:47:53.310 --> 01:47:57.090 necessary for you to use hyperland okay so you 01:47:57.090 --> 01:48:00.409 know like with wl roots and things like that 01:48:00.409 --> 01:48:02.130 you're not going to be able to run it you know 01:48:02.130 --> 01:48:08.569 even Let's just say Sway FX right now. Sway FX 01:48:08.569 --> 01:48:11.710 or Sway, both of them, you know, compositors 01:48:11.710 --> 01:48:17.810 for Wayland. Both of them, I think, need WL roots 01:48:17.810 --> 01:48:22.810 0 .19, not in Debian stable. It's not in Debian 01:48:22.810 --> 01:48:26.569 stable. So, you know, can you get Sway and FX? 01:48:27.130 --> 01:48:29.430 Can you get Sway to run in Debian? Absolutely. 01:48:30.170 --> 01:48:32.949 You can get it to run in stable, no problem. 01:48:33.500 --> 01:48:36.340 It actually is just a pseudo app to install Sway. 01:48:36.460 --> 01:48:40.520 And boom, you've got Sway. But if you had to 01:48:40.520 --> 01:48:44.680 do, yeah, if you had to do hyperlink, no, no, 01:48:44.760 --> 01:48:47.560 it's just, I mean, there's a couple of guys out 01:48:47.560 --> 01:48:50.060 there that know how to do it, but it's not going 01:48:50.060 --> 01:48:51.840 to be unstable. It's going to be either testing. 01:48:52.079 --> 01:48:54.579 And that defeats the purpose, at least to my 01:48:54.579 --> 01:48:57.939 thinking of Debian, right? Because to me, yeah, 01:48:58.079 --> 01:48:59.880 I don't, I don't want to do that. I don't want 01:48:59.880 --> 01:49:04.270 to, I don't want to have updates. When I do an 01:49:04.270 --> 01:49:07.329 update, you know this, even from doing server 01:49:07.329 --> 01:49:08.909 stuff. Servers, yeah, just security updates, 01:49:09.050 --> 01:49:10.689 basically. Nothing breaks ever. That's all I 01:49:10.689 --> 01:49:15.710 really care about. I just want a hardened OS. 01:49:17.310 --> 01:49:19.109 Occasionally there's something like, okay, so 01:49:19.109 --> 01:49:25.050 recently Firefox ESR had an update. When Debian 01:49:25.050 --> 01:49:28.550 13 first came out, It was still using like version 01:49:28.550 --> 01:49:32.630 126 or eight or something like that. Really old. 01:49:32.829 --> 01:49:37.270 Okay. But since Firefox ESR is actually part 01:49:37.270 --> 01:49:41.430 of the security packages or security repo, it 01:49:41.430 --> 01:49:45.210 got updated. So now I'm using one of the, I mean, 01:49:45.229 --> 01:49:48.569 140 .2, I think there's something like that. 01:49:48.670 --> 01:49:50.750 It's not, it's definitely not the nightly version 01:49:50.750 --> 01:49:54.550 of Firefox, but it is definitely stable. And 01:49:54.550 --> 01:49:58.430 if there are any updates for the ESR version, 01:49:58.569 --> 01:50:02.970 it's a security update. Okay. Now, something 01:50:02.970 --> 01:50:08.329 that I don't enjoy a lot is, or at all, is stuff 01:50:08.329 --> 01:50:11.829 breaking on me. I don't want anything to break 01:50:11.829 --> 01:50:14.770 on me because when I go to the computer, I go 01:50:14.770 --> 01:50:17.529 with the mentality, okay, this is what I'm going 01:50:17.529 --> 01:50:19.850 to do. I want to sit. I don't want my computer 01:50:19.850 --> 01:50:23.250 to get in the way. And let's say OBS not working. 01:50:23.369 --> 01:50:25.890 No, that would be that would drive me crazy. 01:50:26.029 --> 01:50:28.649 Or is something as minimal? I don't care what 01:50:28.649 --> 01:50:31.550 it is. I just don't want something to to break 01:50:31.550 --> 01:50:34.069 my flow. And even if I'm not going to do something 01:50:34.069 --> 01:50:37.890 productive, I don't want to deal with troubleshooting 01:50:37.890 --> 01:50:40.029 stuff that I don't want to troubleshoot. And 01:50:40.029 --> 01:50:43.949 sometimes it happens with NeoVim and I don't 01:50:43.949 --> 01:50:47.289 enjoy it. Right. But it's OK. I use NeoVim a 01:50:47.289 --> 01:50:50.029 lot. I already I'm used to it. So I fix it and 01:50:50.029 --> 01:50:53.909 I just. move on but not in the operating system 01:50:53.909 --> 01:50:57.449 that's one of the reasons why i like mac os they 01:50:57.449 --> 01:51:01.930 update packages they have never um caused issues 01:51:01.930 --> 01:51:05.390 i'm not sure if it's just me or what but works 01:51:05.390 --> 01:51:08.850 great for me now is that the same deal with debian 01:51:08.850 --> 01:51:12.329 what was the last time when so something broke 01:51:12.329 --> 01:51:16.289 on your operating system do you remember yeah 01:51:16.289 --> 01:51:20.810 no i don't um And you update confidently. Okay, 01:51:20.869 --> 01:51:23.930 when Debian 13 came out, which was June of this 01:51:23.930 --> 01:51:27.210 year, it was two years, actually more than two 01:51:27.210 --> 01:51:30.470 years between Debian 12 and Debian 13. So between 01:51:30.470 --> 01:51:34.210 Bookworm and Trixie, I think it was like 26 months 01:51:34.210 --> 01:51:41.630 in between those two releases. By the time, when 01:51:41.630 --> 01:51:49.699 Debian 12 .11 came out, it's so rock solid it's 01:51:49.699 --> 01:51:53.699 so so so stable there's like very few updates 01:51:53.699 --> 01:51:58.619 um that you would have absolutely no issues with 01:51:58.619 --> 01:52:02.439 breakages especially if you are using the debian 01:52:02.439 --> 01:52:05.560 packages you know but i guess a lot can be said 01:52:05.560 --> 01:52:08.500 same thing with arch you know if you don't want 01:52:08.500 --> 01:52:10.859 to update you don't have to okay if you get it 01:52:10.859 --> 01:52:14.600 working you don't have to update but my my thought 01:52:14.600 --> 01:52:19.119 was With Debian 13 coming out, I thought that 01:52:19.119 --> 01:52:21.819 there were some minor issues that needed to be 01:52:21.819 --> 01:52:29.020 resolved. And so I waited till Debian 13 .1 to 01:52:29.020 --> 01:52:35.619 say, yep, this is better. So it took a couple 01:52:35.619 --> 01:52:38.159 months in order for the Debian team to actually 01:52:38.159 --> 01:52:43.579 harden that release a little bit more, even though 01:52:43.579 --> 01:52:47.010 it took... like I said, 26 months in testing 01:52:47.010 --> 01:52:50.970 branch in order for it to get to release. So 01:52:50.970 --> 01:52:55.510 yeah, no, I don't like if I was to run, I was 01:52:55.510 --> 01:52:58.289 to run and it's like update right now. Update 01:52:58.289 --> 01:53:01.529 and upgrade. Are you ever scared? Are you like, 01:53:01.689 --> 01:53:04.689 okay, I'm going to run on upgrade, update and 01:53:04.689 --> 01:53:06.810 upgrade. And I don't know what's going to happen. 01:53:06.909 --> 01:53:09.109 Or you're a confidence. You're like, I'm just 01:53:09.109 --> 01:53:11.949 going to update. I don't care. I have eight packages 01:53:11.949 --> 01:53:15.319 that need upgraded. One is the Brave browser. 01:53:16.020 --> 01:53:19.479 Yeah, you don't care if it breaks. It's not going 01:53:19.479 --> 01:53:23.000 to break. Seven are part of the stable security 01:53:23.000 --> 01:53:31.159 updates. OpenSSL, LibSSL -Dev, basically just 01:53:31.159 --> 01:53:35.880 stuff for security. That's it. So anything that 01:53:35.880 --> 01:53:38.420 was security is just security related. So that's 01:53:38.420 --> 01:53:41.279 the extent of, like I said, if you were going 01:53:41.279 --> 01:53:44.270 to... install something outside of the debian 01:53:44.270 --> 01:53:47.489 packages then you're going to get updates like 01:53:47.489 --> 01:53:49.970 with west term for example i use the nightly 01:53:49.970 --> 01:53:54.250 version west term i use a i use a brave browser 01:53:54.250 --> 01:53:57.850 and i'm using it's going to get updated but overall 01:53:57.850 --> 01:54:03.550 if it's a dev package no okay yeah and how do 01:54:03.550 --> 01:54:06.050 you install brave by the way like do you add 01:54:06.050 --> 01:54:08.789 the repo or something or yeah you do yeah yeah 01:54:08.789 --> 01:54:15.119 yeah For that, yeah, I do. In fact, I was thinking, 01:54:15.300 --> 01:54:20.079 because I needed a Chrome... When you contacted 01:54:20.079 --> 01:54:22.619 me about being on here, I was like, I don't have 01:54:22.619 --> 01:54:26.060 a Chrome -based browser on this machine. So I 01:54:26.060 --> 01:54:28.619 was like, well, what do I do? Do I go with... 01:54:28.619 --> 01:54:33.920 So I just installed Brave just to have for this. 01:54:35.939 --> 01:54:40.000 And then you go back to Firefox, right? Yeah. 01:54:40.119 --> 01:54:44.380 Okay. Why are you on Firefox? As a free and open 01:54:44.380 --> 01:54:50.479 source software advocate, I think that it's good 01:54:50.479 --> 01:54:54.939 to support that kind of like, even though, I 01:54:54.939 --> 01:54:58.039 mean, we can talk about Mozilla and not in a 01:54:58.039 --> 01:55:02.039 very attractive light in the way that they run 01:55:02.039 --> 01:55:05.859 their foundation. But overall, I like to support 01:55:05.859 --> 01:55:10.710 the free and open source software. Okay. Okay. 01:55:11.029 --> 01:55:14.350 I wanted to ask you as well, when it's time to 01:55:14.350 --> 01:55:18.449 upgrade Debian, do you just wipe out your computer 01:55:18.449 --> 01:55:21.170 and install the new version or do you actually 01:55:21.170 --> 01:55:25.069 upgrade? That's a good question. Actually. I 01:55:25.069 --> 01:55:29.510 think a lot of people would, would do what you're 01:55:29.510 --> 01:55:31.489 suggesting. It could be like, well, this is, 01:55:31.529 --> 01:55:33.949 you know, you could just run a dist upgrade and 01:55:33.949 --> 01:55:37.789 go from 12 to 13 in one shot. No, I didn't do 01:55:37.789 --> 01:55:41.590 that. I actually wiped the machine and installed 01:55:41.590 --> 01:55:46.930 it from scratch. Because invariably, for all 01:55:46.930 --> 01:55:50.189 of the stuff that we do as, again, I'm going 01:55:50.189 --> 01:55:53.149 to use the quotes here, content creators and 01:55:53.149 --> 01:55:55.489 a bunch of trial stuff and everything like that. 01:55:55.489 --> 01:55:57.409 You leave a lot of trash in there. Yeah, there's 01:55:57.409 --> 01:56:01.270 stuff that I don't want anymore. And I'll save 01:56:01.270 --> 01:56:05.479 the files that I think are critical. Um, mostly 01:56:05.479 --> 01:56:08.800 they're going to be on my NAS anyway, cause I 01:56:08.800 --> 01:56:12.319 actually, my, you know, my primary directories 01:56:12.319 --> 01:56:15.180 that are in my file manager are on the NAS. So 01:56:15.180 --> 01:56:18.479 regardless, if I could, if I lose my PC, all 01:56:18.479 --> 01:56:21.260 of my mission critical stuff is like on the NAS. 01:56:21.439 --> 01:56:24.800 So, and it's got, like I said, six, six drives 01:56:24.800 --> 01:56:27.760 of redundancy. So it's good to go regardless. 01:56:28.000 --> 01:56:31.399 No, I think that, um, I don't, I don't like to 01:56:31.399 --> 01:56:34.800 like, you know, Just clean out the trash, I guess 01:56:34.800 --> 01:56:37.840 is my point. Just clean out the trash and start 01:56:37.840 --> 01:56:41.039 from scratch. I've built plenty of scripts that 01:56:41.039 --> 01:56:45.119 allow you to install like you were talking about 01:56:45.119 --> 01:56:48.899 for your Mac. It's an automation process where 01:56:48.899 --> 01:56:51.760 you start from scratch and you just have it run 01:56:51.760 --> 01:56:55.680 and it does everything for you. It doesn't take 01:56:55.680 --> 01:56:58.060 very long. I can install Debian in six minutes. 01:56:58.979 --> 01:57:01.880 I can install Debian in six minutes and be up 01:57:01.880 --> 01:57:05.949 and running. And aren't you scared? Like, if 01:57:05.949 --> 01:57:08.850 it's a new version of Debian, that some of your 01:57:08.850 --> 01:57:11.909 scripts are not going to work? No, I mean, yeah. 01:57:12.029 --> 01:57:14.970 I'm not scared. I wouldn't say scared, but, you 01:57:14.970 --> 01:57:18.649 know, should I, like, run all these scripts? 01:57:18.810 --> 01:57:21.689 Yeah. And did I find a couple things that needed 01:57:21.689 --> 01:57:24.710 to be tweaked? Yes. But you deploy, like, a new 01:57:24.710 --> 01:57:27.630 VM. You deploy, like, a VM, test your script 01:57:27.630 --> 01:57:30.250 there. I suck at that, dude. I'm so bad at VM 01:57:30.250 --> 01:57:32.750 and, like, doing anything that's actually, like, 01:57:33.210 --> 01:57:36.789 make would make my life easier um so you just 01:57:36.789 --> 01:57:38.890 do it on your main machine you're like okay i 01:57:38.890 --> 01:57:41.189 have a test machine a couple test machines over 01:57:41.189 --> 01:57:44.270 there that i just like you know it's like i don't 01:57:44.270 --> 01:57:47.409 know that one machine has had debian on it like 01:57:47.409 --> 01:57:52.869 like minimal like a thousand times okay um and 01:57:52.869 --> 01:57:54.770 like i said i you know it takes me six minutes 01:57:54.770 --> 01:57:57.310 to just kind of like rerun it you know just doing 01:57:57.310 --> 01:58:02.579 a base install okay Start from there. Yeah, I 01:58:02.579 --> 01:58:05.420 wish I could. I've asked people, hey, man, I 01:58:05.420 --> 01:58:07.380 need you to help me try to figure out how to 01:58:07.380 --> 01:58:10.420 do a virtual machine. It would probably save 01:58:10.420 --> 01:58:15.600 me a shit ton of time. I don't know. And I noticed 01:58:15.600 --> 01:58:18.399 when you showed your screen, that wasn't GitHub, 01:58:18.600 --> 01:58:22.279 right? What was that, where you have your .files? 01:58:22.279 --> 01:58:26.000 Yeah, it's Codeburg. What is that? Okay, so GitHub 01:58:26.000 --> 01:58:30.869 and GitLab are both corporate -run. entities. 01:58:31.050 --> 01:58:37.270 And so Codeberg is a community run project that 01:58:37.270 --> 01:58:42.550 is located mostly in Germany, in Germany. And 01:58:42.550 --> 01:58:47.609 so, like I said, as a FOSS advocate, they are 01:58:47.609 --> 01:58:51.489 probably the easiest transition for me to like, 01:58:51.489 --> 01:58:54.949 like be okay with and have it be as, you know, 01:58:54.949 --> 01:58:58.939 robust as possible. I have, Like I said, I have 01:58:58.939 --> 01:59:04.140 installed a Gitia or Giti. If I wanted to host 01:59:04.140 --> 01:59:06.579 my own Git, I could do that. But I think this 01:59:06.579 --> 01:59:09.939 is a better solution for me. So yeah, Codeburg 01:59:09.939 --> 01:59:14.359 is what I've migrated all my GitHub projects 01:59:14.359 --> 01:59:20.840 to because it's a philosophical. Okay, okay. 01:59:20.939 --> 01:59:23.720 So it's hosting, right? It's like GitHub basically, 01:59:23.960 --> 01:59:27.020 but... It's exactly like GitHub, except it is... 01:59:27.319 --> 01:59:30.439 Community run. Okay. Same commands or you have 01:59:30.439 --> 01:59:35.159 to do Codeberg something? Nope. Git? Git. Everything's 01:59:35.159 --> 01:59:39.399 Git. Yeah. No problem. I had no problem making 01:59:39.399 --> 01:59:42.460 the transition over. Not at all. Okay. How long 01:59:42.460 --> 01:59:45.779 have they been in the business? Like, is it something 01:59:45.779 --> 01:59:46.840 that you can trust? Good question. And I don't 01:59:46.840 --> 01:59:48.600 know the answer to that. Yeah. I'm not sure. 01:59:48.760 --> 01:59:51.960 Yeah. I mean, it's been around a long time. It's 01:59:51.960 --> 01:59:56.460 not like they haven't, but. But like I said before, 01:59:56.739 --> 02:00:00.060 with a couple projects, I put my money where 02:00:00.060 --> 02:00:04.520 my mouth is, and I have now contributed to CodeBerg 02:00:04.520 --> 02:00:09.819 and have become a voting member of CodeBerg. 02:00:10.020 --> 02:00:13.279 Okay. So what are your thoughts on proprietary 02:00:13.279 --> 02:00:16.539 stuff then? Do you use any proprietary software? 02:00:16.739 --> 02:00:18.800 Yeah, I mean, you have to, don't you? I mean, 02:00:18.859 --> 02:00:23.399 you really do. That's what I use. Yeah. Yeah. 02:00:23.439 --> 02:00:26.220 That's what I do. You know, I'm not like, I'm 02:00:26.220 --> 02:00:29.180 not, yeah, I'm not like, it's not the devil or 02:00:29.180 --> 02:00:33.220 anything, but when you, it's okay. So discord. 02:00:33.420 --> 02:00:36.399 Yep. There you go. I use discord and do I, you 02:00:36.399 --> 02:00:39.640 know, is it proprietary? Yes. I'm trying to think 02:00:39.640 --> 02:00:43.520 of some other things. I'm not sure. I'm sure. 02:00:43.600 --> 02:00:45.619 I mean, I'm sure there are other things I'm just 02:00:45.619 --> 02:00:48.539 trying to, you know, but I mean, well, okay. 02:00:48.619 --> 02:00:52.859 So I use, I use a lot of stuff for work. that 02:00:52.859 --> 02:00:58.500 has to be done. I used to use, I used to have, 02:00:58.720 --> 02:01:00.979 well, I mean, Gmail. I mean, if you're using 02:01:00.979 --> 02:01:04.380 Gmail, I guess that's... Yeah, but you prefer 02:01:04.380 --> 02:01:07.579 to look for an alternative that is not proprietary, 02:01:07.960 --> 02:01:10.460 right? I mean, if you can. Yeah, if you can. 02:01:10.859 --> 02:01:13.380 I think that it's not, I think it's, I mean, 02:01:13.420 --> 02:01:17.520 I think that the free and open source software 02:01:17.520 --> 02:01:24.420 is so special. is so, um, underappreciated even 02:01:24.420 --> 02:01:27.319 by the people that use it. Um, I think that there, 02:01:27.439 --> 02:01:30.779 cause I know that there are project maintainers 02:01:30.779 --> 02:01:34.000 out there that, um, get a lot of flack, you know, 02:01:34.000 --> 02:01:35.840 it's like, Hey man, your stuff doesn't work. 02:01:36.060 --> 02:01:39.260 Well, dude, I'm doing this as a, like as a courtesy 02:01:39.260 --> 02:01:42.199 or as something that I'm super interested in 02:01:42.199 --> 02:01:46.119 and I don't get paid. So, so they, they come 02:01:46.119 --> 02:01:49.659 to you and say, and say that not me. I mean, 02:01:49.699 --> 02:01:52.600 I'm not. other other projects yeah i'm not that 02:01:52.600 --> 02:01:56.319 big yeah i'm not that big a software guy so no 02:01:56.319 --> 02:01:58.880 but i'm just like saying it's just it makes no 02:01:58.880 --> 02:02:04.180 sense to me that uh that free and open be respectful 02:02:04.180 --> 02:02:06.859 because these guys have put their hearts and 02:02:06.859 --> 02:02:11.319 souls into these projects and you and you need 02:02:11.319 --> 02:02:15.020 to understand that they're not just serving you 02:02:16.539 --> 02:02:20.340 They're serving their own conscience and their 02:02:20.340 --> 02:02:25.840 own soul. So back off, man. Yeah. And there's 02:02:25.840 --> 02:02:29.180 a high chance that they're not getting any money 02:02:29.180 --> 02:02:33.819 out of it at all, right? Like the effort and 02:02:33.819 --> 02:02:37.859 time that they spend doing this, it's not worth 02:02:37.859 --> 02:02:41.039 it. But they do it because they use it or they 02:02:41.039 --> 02:02:45.000 love it, you know? Yeah. Like I said, I feel 02:02:45.000 --> 02:02:47.579 like I can't really contribute a lot when it 02:02:47.579 --> 02:02:50.039 comes to code. That's just not something I am 02:02:50.039 --> 02:02:58.159 capable of doing. Sometimes I've put in a feature 02:02:58.159 --> 02:03:00.399 request, for example. I think this would be cool 02:03:00.399 --> 02:03:07.600 if this did that. I'm just putting that out there 02:03:07.600 --> 02:03:13.100 as a potential feature enrichment. But overall, 02:03:13.399 --> 02:03:18.220 I'm like, okay, so I contribute sometimes monetarily 02:03:18.220 --> 02:03:22.239 to these projects because I think that they deserve 02:03:22.239 --> 02:03:26.340 to be compensated for how much I'm getting out 02:03:26.340 --> 02:03:30.859 of what they're putting in. Yeah. So what should 02:03:30.859 --> 02:03:34.380 be the approach then? What do you suggest people 02:03:34.380 --> 02:03:40.300 that go and demand for features in an open source 02:03:40.300 --> 02:03:44.039 project? What do you think? That's not cool, 02:03:44.140 --> 02:03:48.460 man. That's just not cool. You got to, you know, 02:03:48.500 --> 02:03:54.100 you have to, you have to basically be very respectful. 02:03:54.199 --> 02:03:56.699 You have to understand that these people have 02:03:56.699 --> 02:04:00.979 put so much time, effort, blood, sweat, tears, 02:04:01.100 --> 02:04:02.899 whatever you want to call it, man. They put a 02:04:02.899 --> 02:04:06.819 lot into these projects and it's very personal 02:04:06.819 --> 02:04:11.380 and very dear to them. And for you to. go to 02:04:11.380 --> 02:04:16.319 them with anything other than respect and thanks, 02:04:16.500 --> 02:04:23.140 that needs to be changed. Unfortunately, this 02:04:23.140 --> 02:04:26.060 is the world that we live in. That's just the 02:04:26.060 --> 02:04:29.239 world that we live in where being respectful 02:04:29.239 --> 02:04:32.939 is less common than it ever has been in our existence. 02:04:33.479 --> 02:04:38.130 I agree. I go to a repo and... only if i don't 02:04:38.130 --> 02:04:41.289 have an answer i look around i look around i 02:04:41.289 --> 02:04:45.050 search the repo before i even ask anything because 02:04:45.050 --> 02:04:47.250 i know it takes time you know you're posting 02:04:47.250 --> 02:04:50.350 a discussion or you open an issue gonna take 02:04:50.350 --> 02:04:52.909 their time they're pc people they're doing something 02:04:52.909 --> 02:04:56.090 and you just post a message there and i'm always 02:04:56.090 --> 02:04:59.369 you know in that mood like okay first of all 02:04:59.369 --> 02:05:03.069 thank you for the tool it's awesome would be 02:05:03.069 --> 02:05:07.689 nice or i searched I cannot find this. Is there 02:05:07.689 --> 02:05:11.609 someone that could please help me? Herdy is polite 02:05:11.609 --> 02:05:14.470 and thankful, but I don't. I'm sure. I'm sure. 02:05:14.510 --> 02:05:16.409 And I'm sure they appreciate that. And those 02:05:16.409 --> 02:05:20.350 are the ones that actually get. Answers. They 02:05:20.350 --> 02:05:23.390 get bumped up to the top too. You know, I mean, 02:05:23.390 --> 02:05:25.409 there has been a couple of things like, for example, 02:05:25.489 --> 02:05:27.989 Jeannie, you know how much I love Jeannie. And, 02:05:28.050 --> 02:05:30.489 and I thought, you know what? I would really 02:05:30.489 --> 02:05:32.729 like a different color scheme for this. So I've 02:05:32.729 --> 02:05:35.960 contributed like three or four. color schemes 02:05:35.960 --> 02:05:38.659 to the genie themes project that's the one thing 02:05:38.659 --> 02:05:41.659 that i have been able to contribute to like with 02:05:41.659 --> 02:05:46.060 actual code that was that was fun because i i 02:05:46.060 --> 02:05:50.000 had no idea i was like we have to put in a pull 02:05:50.000 --> 02:05:53.739 what's a pull request yeah what what is that 02:05:53.739 --> 02:05:56.380 and so i had to ask people how to do that stuff 02:05:56.829 --> 02:05:59.729 Yeah. So any final words, anything that you want 02:05:59.729 --> 02:06:02.149 to say before we wrap it up? No, we've, we've 02:06:02.149 --> 02:06:04.470 hit so many things. We, I so much appreciate 02:06:04.470 --> 02:06:08.770 the community and yourself included. It's been, 02:06:08.810 --> 02:06:13.569 it's, it's been such a pleasure that the experience 02:06:13.569 --> 02:06:18.090 that I have had hasn't been so much, you know, 02:06:18.090 --> 02:06:19.869 with the things that we've been talking about 02:06:19.869 --> 02:06:24.439 in terms of like troublesome interactions. It's 02:06:24.439 --> 02:06:28.180 been very, very respectful. It's been very appreciated 02:06:28.180 --> 02:06:32.260 both by me and by the people that I have been 02:06:32.260 --> 02:06:34.720 communicating with. I am so thankful for this 02:06:34.720 --> 02:06:38.359 community. It's been a blessing. It truly has. 02:06:38.859 --> 02:06:42.960 Yeah. I want to thank you, man. Thanks for giving 02:06:42.960 --> 02:06:46.739 back. Thanks for being here, sharing your time 02:06:46.739 --> 02:06:49.659 with us. Thanks to DistroTube. He was in the 02:06:49.659 --> 02:06:51.880 comments there. Tony was in the comments there 02:06:51.880 --> 02:06:55.340 as well. Thanks to everyone that, you know, watches 02:06:55.340 --> 02:06:58.020 this. Go and like the video. Go and make sure 02:06:58.020 --> 02:07:01.479 that you subscribe to Drew. I'm going to leave 02:07:01.479 --> 02:07:05.319 the link in the video description, Drew, so they 02:07:05.319 --> 02:07:10.239 can go and join your channel. Also, I upload 02:07:10.239 --> 02:07:14.600 this as a podcast. Okay, so I'm going to edit 02:07:14.600 --> 02:07:17.260 the video. I'm going to release it. I don't know 02:07:17.260 --> 02:07:20.029 when I'm going to release it. The same day that 02:07:20.029 --> 02:07:22.569 the video is released, I upload it as a podcast 02:07:22.569 --> 02:07:24.590 as well. So you'll be able to find it in all 02:07:24.590 --> 02:07:26.710 different platforms because there's people that 02:07:26.710 --> 02:07:29.409 like to listen, not watch it. So you're going 02:07:29.409 --> 02:07:32.850 to find it there. I also want to thank the CEO, 02:07:33.149 --> 02:07:36.789 Web2Three, Web2Three .com, because I have memberships. 02:07:36.890 --> 02:07:41.210 So that is what keeps the channel going, membership. 02:07:41.310 --> 02:07:44.149 So if you can support, that's awesome. Not you, 02:07:44.170 --> 02:07:47.750 Drew, but the people listening. No, no, I'm sure 02:07:47.750 --> 02:07:52.029 you appreciate that. Yeah, I do. So that's it 02:07:52.029 --> 02:07:54.850 on my side. Let's just wrap it up. You have the 02:07:54.850 --> 02:07:59.149 final words, Drew. Peace, love, understanding.