Hi, I'm Travis, and this is Bestie Approved.
Emma was supposed to be here tonight, but her
baby is being a baby. So I miss her. I love her.
She's the best mother, and that's okay. And I'll
be here without her, but I've got two other people
with me, and I'll let them introduce themselves.
Yeah, I hope we get to meet her sometime. Yeah,
for sure. You will, for sure. You will. Yeah,
so I'm Marie, and we're from Shaded Reality.
And I was so excited when Travis reached out
and wanted to do a collab. And yeah, so we're
going to talk all things reality TV tonight,
I think. Yes, and I'm Anne, and I'm with Shaded
Reality also. We are, Marie and I are sisters.
So yeah, we're super excited. nice so um i think
marie you told me like you've been all in on
bravo since uh the real housewives of orange
county started what kind of prompted the podcast
to start for you guys we So I've talked about
I've wanted to do a podcast because I'm a big
podcast listener. So I kind of started in true
crime. And then I realized I really loved listening
to people talk about my TV shows. Like that was
kind of like a thing that came later. And so
I moved. I haven't been home. like in my home
state since I was 20. So I finally moved home
for the first time in 21 years. And Anne and
I were, I think we had the kids on like a road
trip somewhere. I can't remember exactly, but
we were in the car talking. Yes. And I was like,
I've always wanted to start a podcast. And she's
like, oh my God, I would love to start a podcast.
And so we just talked about it a little bit.
And then I actually, you know, like. got the
ball rolling I started sending her text messages
and I'm like what do you think about this for
a logo what do you think about this for a name
what is this and she's like oh are we like really
doing this I thought we were just like talking
like about it you know I love that so yeah that's
how we got started yep that's so cool I guess
so tell tell like and we'll do both of this but
like or that's for both of us but like tell the
besties about like what your what your show is
all about like where like what's your vibe so
we pretty much recap um reality tv our kind of
initial like uh theme of what we wanted to start
with was spin -off shows so we wanted to kind
of do those shows that are like not as paid attention
to like they're not the main thing so we started
with next gen nyc um and then we talked ourselves
into um secret lives of mormon wives as being
a spin -off from their tick -tocks um because
you know they had a world going on and were popular
in and of themselves and had their stories that
they were telling before the show became a thing
um and now we're currently doing the valley so
yeah we don't have a particular um like network
or anything like that um spin -off shows was
kind of what we were thinking but we just we
recap entire shows kind of from beginning to
end nice so what about you what what's your theme
or like where did you and emma get started So
Emma and I worked together in finance, and that's
kind of how we met. And we both left our first
firm together because we hated that. And we were
like, oh, maybe if we change the environment,
we'll like that better. And come to find out,
we just really hated working in finance. But
we shared an office at the second firm we worked
at. one of the other people in the office like
because Emma and I just are like part of the
charm of us is we just never shut up like that's
all we do is talk all day long so like one of
the people that are like that could like were
within earshot of us was we're like hey you guys
should start a podcast and I was like we should
because we deserve attention like that's what
we should do and like that's kind of how um we
just started like a shared notes app with each
other and it was just like this rambling like
crazy insane like stream of consciousness and
then we both left that second firm and i was
like you know what we never got around to is
starting that podcast and like we had time because
i had started grad school she was uh being a
full -time mom and she's um Granted, being a
full -time mom is much more of a commitment than
grad school is, but we had more time. That's
kind of how we came to be podcast hosts. It's
been a journey trying to figure out what our
theme is. We're still reworking it a little bit,
but half of the show is kind of our love letter
to reality TV and trash and just really the...
the women that raised us on reality tv and um
we started recap actually our first recap uh
was secret lives of morgan wives and then we're
doing housewives we uh we're trying to figure
out like what else we want to do because we've
we've met a couple of other people who do like
drag race and who do like uh big brother and
like that kind of thing so we're still finding
our footing a little bit but um but it's been
a really cool ride and i've i've really enjoyed
it so yeah and then i'm also i'm obsessed with
reality tv like i cannot get enough of it when
we get into the traders a little bit later like
i'll tell you like emma's reaction to like how
i reacted to watching i think it was the second
season of traders in our office so yeah i love
it yeah yeah i will say that i was more like
i still love reality tv don't get me wrong but
it was like uh i started out also like when they
first started beverly hills and like i was so
into it like i watched all all of them and then
i felt like once i started having a family and
just like my life and busy it just seems so much
harder to have time to watch these shows you
know like I still want to be and I'm like I think
I've said it before I'm one I need to sit down
and watch it like I can't just listen like Marie
is like I feel like you like do seven other things
and you're also listening you know what I mean
yeah I need to watch it like I can't do one thing
at a time that's not yeah I don't know like I
need to so like I want to I want it all for me
like I don't like it's like it's your time yes
yeah I get it I'm kind of the same way when it
comes to I'm the same way as Marie when it comes
to like normal seasons like unless it's like
a reunion episode or like maybe a premiere where
like I kind of want to get back into it but like
yeah I'll do like 90 things while I'm watching
like it's like I'm doing homework I'm like playing
with the dog I'll do the whole thing but like
when it's when it's reality or I'm sorry when
it's uh When it's reunion time, I'm a hundred
percent on board with you. It is. I'm all in.
Yeah. But this isn't a question we ask everyone
on every episode of SD approved. And it's how
we start every episode. What is the last song
you guys listened to? So do you want me to go
first? Yeah, go ahead. I feel like I keep talking.
I keep answering everything. I always talk over
and all day, every day. So I got to sit back.
So I listened to your guys's one podcast and
you guys were talking about, I think you did
the same thing. You were like, what was the last
song you listened to? And you were talking about
like you use Apple music, right? Okay. So, and
I just thought it was so funny because I use
Spotify, but the only reason I use Spotify is
because I have an 18 year old daughter who made
me get it. I was. Yeah, like a Pandora. Like
I listened to Pandora for years. I know. Is that
still around? If you like it, I love it. I didn't
know that still existed. I'm so sorry. I think
my husband still listens to it. Or no, he listens
to Sirius, like through the car, whatever. But
that's what we listen to. Then my daughter was
like, you can't listen to that. Like you need
to use Spotify. So I'm like. okay sign me up
so that's like all i know but i just thought
it was so funny because you're like i feel like
it's a young person thing well and i mean i guess
maybe it is because my daughter got me started
on it but she like paid for the app like she
did the whole thing because i was like i'm not
doing that i'm cheap well i feel like the apple
music thing is such like an elitist piece of
shit thing too where i'm just like i listen to
apple music sorry yeah But so I just thought
that was really funny and I had to let you know
that. But so I went back on to Spotify to see
what my last song was. So it was Teddy swims
the door, but my daughter and I jam out like
every morning to Benson Boone, beautiful things.
We love Benson Boone. It's like our jam. I love
that. That was our last song. Nice. What about
you, Marie? So I don't listen to music at all,
like ever. Jesus Christ. Yeah, I only listen
to podcasts or audiobooks. Literally, I have
an hour and 15 minute commute like each way.
And I listen to either podcasts or audiobooks.
My brain. Doesn't work with music. I don't know
how to explain it. But anyway, I did have something
I recently listened to because one of my friends
from high school, I don't really like talk too
much anymore, but she sent me a text. uh had
a picture of her car radio and said every time
i hear this i think of your dad so my sister
and i we would jam out to this in my dad's truck
so i'm taking us back to 1991 and it's joyride
by rock set because i made my kids listen to
it then after um she sent me that text message
so i have i love that that's that's so sweet
i love that um mine was you said joyride i immediately
went to kesha and i was like i love that and
i was like wait that she was not around in 1991
but um i don't know any oh oh my gosh i don't
i don't know where to put that and i'm not gonna
acknowledge but i'm kidding i'm kidding um but
my last song was heartbreakery by z machine and
i i'd say you should listen to it but you won't
and that's okay like i'll listen to it i listen
to music every day i love that i'm i'm similar
to marine like when like i i would say like 75
of like what my audio intake is a podcast or
like youtube playing in the background because
like i that's just typically like how my brain
works but like they're like there's a good chunk
of time where it's like i have to like have set
like some rhythm or something going so like i
i get what you're saying though like with the
like your brain just like likes like dialogue
that's okay yeah yeah what's the last audiobook
you listened to then um it was called my soul
to take it's who's that by yeah uh i you wouldn't
i don't know i consume so many books that like
the authors like don't even stick it's just like
one thing after another after another i couldn't
i have no clue that's okay that's cool i love
it um so i put together a list of questions just
to like let everyone get to know each other let
our audiences get to know each other and um the
first one is what would your real housewives
tagline be I spent a ridiculous amount of time
on this and it's not even that amazing, but.
Okay. Oh, where is it? I had to write it down.
Do you have yours up right up, Anne? I do. So
mine's like not great, but I just love it. I
said family first goals always. But then Marie
gave me two and I have to do the overbite one.
I didn't write that one down. That one was not
a good one. So it was a living non -toxic life,
but I kind of switched it up a little bit. I
live a non -toxic life, but will never turn down
Botox. I like that one. So I'm real weird about
like what we eat. I'm like what we put in our
bodies, clean products in my house. but then
people make fun of me because i put get botox
that shit in my forehead but i'm like no red
dye number 40 we are not allowed to have that
in our home you know like that another one was
i know you only asked for one but this was one
marie came up with and i just like laugh so hard
i don't use dawn like dawn dish so okay love
to yawn because i yawn a lot on our podcast i
like have to edit out her yawns i love that what
about you marie what are yours uh mine was i
may love the heat but trust me i thrive in the
shade i was trying to play off of like our podcast
that's a good one yeah and i like to be out in
the sun like summer is my favorite season yeah
that's a really i like that oh thanks what's
yours um I'm not a force to be reckoned with.
I'm a force that will wreck you. Because I would
want to be seen as like the bully in the season,
I guess. Yeah. That's good. Love it. Which real
-life city do you think you would thrive in and
who would be your best friend in that city? So
I'm 100 % New York. I'm 100 % New York. Like
everyone else gets too petty and like I'm very
blunt. um just in real life and so I don't think
other cities they would take everything I said
too seriously and like be hurt by what I say
whereas New York like that's like my personality
and I think I'd be best friends with Carol Radziwill
that would be my really okay yes nice I mean
not since every like I think she might be on
the Epstein list or something but yeah yeah I
this was this was like This is before that. Before
I knew all that. It was just on New York City.
Yes. Yeah. What about, do you have anyone from
the Newcastle that you... No, I hate the Newcastle.
I get it. It's a weird time. Do you really? I
can't. So Aaron, I might be able to get into
it if Aaron was gone. I can't do Aaron. Okay,
I'll give you that. Aaron and... I want to, like,
sigh. I really, really, really do. But, like,
I think the first season she was on, she leaned
so heavily into that. Like, I'm a content creator
thing. And I'm like, that's not real. That's
not a real thing. Yeah. Yeah. She doesn't bother
me as much as Erin. Like, she could just kind
of be a background character to me. But Erin
gets under my skin. Like, I just cannot with
Erin. I can't. Yeah. She's hard. What about you,
Anne? Where would you go and who would be your
best friend? So I said Beverly Hills and my best
friend would be Dorit. I love Dorit. I do too.
And her fashion and just everything about her.
Yeah, I love her in the car with that cigarette.
That is really, that's my favorite iteration
of Dorit. So if I had to pick any of them, I
think. either salt lake city or miami um just
like because i'm trash and i love miami and i
love i like i love miami um but if it's like
if i'm picking based on the cast itself uh salt
lake city and i feel like i actually didn't think
about this at all before like as i was writing
this um i feel like i would get along like a
dream with heather gay and like i think i would
desperately want to be friends with lisa barlow
but like i couldn't handle the like the blow
-ups like i could handle like the like who she
is because i think she's really really cool but
like when when she gets confronted and she's
like screaming about like you're a liar you're
lying i'm like okay look but heather gay or lisa
barlow yeah i used to love the heather gay that
would like just sit at the table and like I felt
like she was me. Like she would just like look
at everybody. Like the audience proxy. Yeah.
Yes. And I love that Heather gay. I don't like
when she tries to create the story, like that
starts to drive me a little bit. I'm like, no,
stop it. Yeah. But I think that's kind of like,
I think that's, it's hard for like first season
housewives to like, as they, as they progress,
it's like, there's. It's like, how do I like
make the show more and more and more and more?
And I think like, you know, I think she has tried
to top receipts, proof timeline screenshots for
what, two years now. And I think that I love
her just the way she is. I don't need her to
do anything more than that. You know? Yeah. That's
how I feel too. I think that she, she'll get
back to it. I think she just doesn't know exactly
where she needs to be right now. Yeah. I think
so. Well, and I think also with like the. she's
gone through a physical transformation too. And
I think like that does like something to people,
like not, not negatively, but psychologically,
it's like, you're trying to figure out where
you fit. I think she's experiencing that a little
bit too. Cause it's like, who am I in this new
body? And I think that I'm excited to see who
she becomes. Like, cause I mean, she's a New
York times bestselling author. She's got so many
merits to stand on. I'm, I'm, I'm excited to
see like more and more of her. I love her. yeah
and i think her intelligence like puts her out
at this like different level than most of the
women not like negative about anyone so like
i think she feels like she needs to like control
where everything is and like it's just part of
her like personality and yeah she'll but she'll
get there back again i i think you're right yeah
um if you went to swig with one of the mormon
wives what would your drink order be as i'm like
here with mine i wish we had a swig we don't
have you guys don't have swig no no like it's
a brand new thing to be fair no sorry yeah we
say we're gonna travel just came in locally but
that's not the same oh we've had that for like
10 years here so yeah no we're in very rural
like amish country like Fair enough. We had Dunkin'
Donuts for a long time. That was it. Now, but
not for that long, honestly. No, probably not.
I said a Texas Tab. I looked at the menu. That's
Emma's drink. Emma loves that. That's her favorite.
What is in that? The Texas Tab. Dr. Pepper, vanilla,
and coconut, I think. Okay. So I said that Dr.
Pepper, raspberry puree, and coconut cream. Okay.
That's what I would like to try. But then for
the refresher, I would love mango, pineapple,
fresh lime, and raspberry puree. That sounds
really good, actually. What do you get? I honestly
just get a diet Dr. Pepper with no ice and cherry
and vanilla. i'm basic but yeah like i don't
the the like named drinks are like a lot for
me and like i'm just like i i just like the diet
dr pepper like i'm good i love a good dr pepper
in reality i don't know if i would actually get
the named ones you know like every time i would
probably yeah something less yeah and they also
don't have diet dr pepper in the named ones which
is annoying to me i'm like what if someone I
don't know. What if someone wants to be cutesy
and healthy? Right? I'm a diet Dr. Pepper drinker.
I love a diet Dr. Pepper. I do, too. I do, too.
I am not. I am not a diet nothing. Really? I
can't. No. It has that taste. I can't do it.
I can't. I can't do regular. The regular has
a very acidic aftertaste to me. Hmm. Yeah. Is
that like that fake sugar taste? I can't get
past it. fair i'll give you that that's okay
i love dr pepper um would you rather be a faithful
or a traitor if you were on the traitors okay
so i've always said traitor always like and i
still think i am but after watching the finale
this season i had some emotions like i felt so
upset like I was I was like I don't think I could
do that like he won fair and square yeah but
like I could I was like I if I was in his shoes
like I don't know it's not like you can like
vote yourself out at the end but like I feel
like I I honestly would have been like I can't
do this to somebody like I can't I don't know
I felt the same way. Like I, I struggled deep.
I, it was that this and the, the first season
where it was the, the traitor one in the first
season. I was like, yes. Yeah. I don't like this.
Maybe I would have felt different if he would
have left Aaron or Eric, like just him and Eric
one. Like it might've made me like feel a little
different about it. Cause it's like, Oh, at least
two of them. I don't, I don't know. Cause I was
screaming the whole thing. I was like, figure
it out mora figure it out like i was just so
mad like she just wouldn't get it you know that
was the thing with mora is like she was like
she was all in on rob like that was that was
her dude and like that i was like that is that
is a wild horse to hit your car too i gotta tell
you yeah but what about you man which would you
rather be so i said pass on this question because
i don't watch traders Oh, fair. I gave her a
whole rundown. He gave me the whole rundown.
And I said, I'm just going to say pass. Fair.
Okay. That's okay. You should. It's really good.
I love it. I feel like if I were on the show,
I definitely would do better as a faithful. But
I feel like if I were a traitor, like at the
end, like if I got to the end, I would like.
I would have to drop every clue on God's green
earth. Like, Hey, vote me out. Like do something.
Cause like, I would feel so guilty. Like, cause
granted it's, it's the game and it's literally
called the traders. And like, that's the whole
catch of it. But like, there's, I think there's
something where you get to know these people
as people and. Yeah. Like you're rooting for
the underdog. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah.
Cause I mean, I really, really like to win things.
But so I don't know how I would be. But I also
like I know midseason the way like Rob turned
against his other traders. I would never do that.
You know what I mean? Like I would always feel
like we were a team as far as we could go. So
I know like I feel like I would be like a better
trader, you know, than he was. i think i would
be like the worst i'm the worst liar i can't
i i i have a tell when i lie where like i just
i'm not good at it like i'm just like there's
i couldn't do it there's no way i like i like
be overacting at breakfast every morning i'd
be like oh no like it'd be like my birdalicious
with with with uh phaedra like killed him i don't
know but yeah And the last one I have on my list,
Marie, you've been on, you've been all in on
Bravo since the real assets of Orange County.
So if you think back to all the women that have
come and gone on our screens on Bravo, which
housewife or friend of, would you bring back
and who would you never want to see again? So
I said, I, so Dorinda, I don't know if that counts.
Cause like kind of the whole franchise went away,
but I love me some Dorinda, like a drunk Dorinda.
she just makes me so happy like she comes up
with something new to say that's just insane
and like they become part of like the housewives
zeitgeist and she hasn't even really been that
much like from that many seasons as compared
to some of them but she was only on like three
or four yeah yeah but like oh i love her um and
then i would i would bethany like i don't ever
need bethany again I just, I loved her in the
beginning, but I can't Bethany now. Like, I just,
I don't know. She gets under my skin. See, I
love Bethany. bethany frankel is literally my
hero but oh no i love bethany listen i follow
her on all of the social like i i love how honest
she is you know like i don't know i just i remember
bethany when she had nothing i do too that's
that's why i love her yeah yes and now she like
created this life for herself and i love it like
i love that for her i will I will say like with
Bethany Frankel, she is a polarizing character
because I can see why she would be a lot for
some people to handle. And I'm very similar in
that way where like I don't ever shut up and
like I'm an aggressive personality and like I'm
very abrasive and it's like you love me or you
hate me. There is no in between. So I can see
why someone would say that. It's just I don't
love hearing it. It's okay. I'm sorry. We're
cool. I'm kidding. It's okay. What about you,
Anne? Who would you want to? uh tutor boot so
I would love to see Caroline Manzo um from New
Jersey I loved her like she was just like the
best such a like a great mom I don't know just
she she never made me upset like she never pissed
me off like I really enjoyed her I said um never
bring back Camille um from Beverly Hills yeah
Camille is and she like would come back on the
show often like make her appearance and i'm like
why is she here why do we keep bringing this
woman back on the show she's someone who they
wanted to make her work so bad and like she was
not built for reality tv like she's like there
a lot of times like i can't tell like if she's
like if there's something like emotionally wrong
like if she's actually being present like i i
struggle with her because i'm like she this is
not good for her like that you are not like you're
not okay right now yeah but yeah yeah i i struggle
with her um if i'm gonna bring back anyone it
would be either eileen davidson or lisa rena
on beverly hills i think they were just yeah
if i could bring back both i would i think they
are just lightning in a bottle like i loved them
together and then i never need to see leanne
lock in on my screen again from dallas i don't
know her oh i never watched dallas oh so that
i know I know Leigh -Anne Locken from like other
people are talking about her and like other podcasts
and stuff I listen to, but I never watched Alice.
It was like one of the things on my list, but
it was kind of low on the totem pole because
like it ended. So it was kind of like, I'll get
to it if I get to it kind of thing. But yeah,
I don't know her like personality. It's a lot
like it is. It's a lot like and it's it's not
a lot because like. i i like messy women there
was just a lot of problematic behavior that was
there um and the that that show was hard because
it's it's it's texas so you like have to put
it in that context right yeah um cool so emma
and i also have a fun little segment that we
do called complaining um what do you guys have
to complain about today anything in the world
so i wrote down on the notes but I cannot stand
when people like I work, you know, in like an
office setting, et cetera, cannot read a damn
email that has basic instructions, whether it's
like, I don't know, we're going to use this new
application or it's just me telling my team like,
Hey, this is what needs done. Whatever it is.
for some like I don't know what has changed but
I feel like over the last at least like four
to five years like people have lost the ability
to read basic instructions and like comprehend
them and that I don't know that it's just been
the last four to five years I'll be honest yeah
I just feel like I've been noticing it more and
more like it just drives me insane when someone
pops their head in my office well what about
this I'm like I literally just an email with
like so much time and detail that you know what
i mean like i just yeah i don't know i feel like
it happens too often no it does i 100 like because
i'm the same way where i'm like did you read
the email like yeah yeah we're on this um well
to what marie just said so we have this app it's
like called game changer or whatever and it's
for you know like our kids with their sports
Same thing. Like somebody like they'll write,
okay, this is the time where we have to meet.
There's always that one person like a day or
two later, what time do we have to meet? Where?
And I'm like, copy and paste. Like I want to
copy and paste it. I like, I flip like, and I'm
not even the coach, but it makes me so angry.
So I felt that when you said that. So my complaint
was, so people who watch videos on their phone
without AirPods or like headphones. Okay. That's
my husband. Can you see that? That's my husband.
It's like at the salon, I have a small salon
that I work in. So it's like, you know, everyone
who's in there can hear everyone's conversation
kind of thing. So if I'm like working on somebody's
hair and I have another client walk, you know,
come in and sit down and they're watching a video
or something. speaker all the way up i'm just
like what the hell like do you not realize like
it just annoys me so that's my complaint it doesn't
bother me if it's like quiet ish or like if it's
like yeah something super quick you're showing
someone else but i'm just like who are you what
are you doing like who is that for i i agree
with you i actually agree with both of you on
your complaints those are very valid complaints
um I would like to complain about people that
are physically, mentally, and emotionally unable
to take out an ounce of accountability for anything
in their life. In one of my project groups this
semester, there is an individual who it does
not matter what they do if it is right. There
is no other answer. They just believe that in
their soul. If they are questioned on any of
that, it is excuse, excuse, excuse. This person
doesn't know what they're talking about. Or like,
I, even if it was wrong, like, that's not my
fault. I'm like, I don't care if you live or
die. Like, I'm just trying to get out of this
semester alive. Like, please shut up. Yeah. Yeah.
That always blows me away because as soon as
someone questions anything I've said, even if
like in the end, I'm right. I'm always immediately
question myself. Like, oh. well let me check
that like did i you know what i mean like right
i never understand where people get like this
confidence that when someone says oh you may
be wrong to be like no i'm not not not that just
always yeah i run into those people too and it
always yeah it's crazy i guess i just don't have
that kind of uh yeah confidence or i'm just not
an asshole like one or the other you know i think
it's probably the latter cool so um let's jump
in uh i say let's jump in we're a half hour in
but here we are um before we get into anything
i do want to kind of okay um before we get into
anything i do kind of want to want to acknowledge
um robert cosby jr did pass uh now at this point
it was uh the beginning of last week and I hate
this. Like, I hate it a lot because, like, there
are several people in my family that have struggled
with addiction, and I hate that he didn't beat
what he was dealing with. And I'm also, like,
beyond Robert Jr., I am so heartbroken for Mary
Cosby because, like, you could tell that, like,
Robert Jr. was her entire world, and that just,
like, it's gut -wrenching to think about, like,
a parent having to bury their child, first of
all, but, like... knowing how bad she wanted
him to beat this like I I hate it for her and
like I my thoughts go out to her and I hope that
they are healing because like that sucks yeah
it's also sad so yeah I can't even imagine yeah
but um and then Andy Cohen posted a TikTok and
he said exactly like how I was feeling but he
said it a lot better so uh thanks Andy but like
um but uh On to happier and brighter things.
There's a lot coming over the next few weeks
to Bravo. So, Ladies of London comes back on
March 5th. uh season 23 of top chef comes back
march 9th and i didn't care about uh top chef
until i met kristen kish on the traders and now
she has my heart forever so i'm gonna watch it
this season um yeah secret lives of mormon wives
comes back and their entire fourth season drops
on march 12th the real housewives of rhode island
premieres april 2nd and then the real housewives
of atlanta comes back for season 17 on april
5th and i'm so excited like i cannot wait yeah
a lot I'm very excited for Rhode Island I like
I'm excited for a new franchise like it's been
a long time and it the trailer looked really
good so my biggest concern is telling them apart
I agree but I did the same thing with uh Secret
Lives and Mormon Wives like I just recently started
being able to like differentiate between those
girls so like I'm sure it'll come eventually
um but uh Marie or I'm Either either one of you
guys, Marie and do you guys have a like a particular
one that you're the most excited about? I mean,
for Marie, I feel like it's Rhode Island. And
do you have a favorite one you're excited about?
No, because I don't really watch any of them
anymore. I mean, just the Mormon wives. I really
need to catch up. I'm pretty, you know, for recapping
reality TV. i guess i need to up my game a little
bit no that's fair i get it so i guess secret
lives of mormon lives is your answer yes that's
okay um also you didn't have on your list you
ever watch southern hospitality no i want to
get into it this coming week oh is it yeah i
think it's like wednesday i don't know it's sometime
this week is the new season and i loved it if
you have time i highly recommend it it's very
good yeah i'll check it out i like i i've been
meaning to get into like southern charm and southern
hospitality and like summer house and like the
the like not core housewife shows because i think
there's a lot of there's a lot of fun there it's
just like finding the time to commit to it is
a lot but no i i i'll probably check southern
hospitality out because it's uh it does seem
very drama fueled and i like that i like mess
and i like drama yeah it's very good and it's
quick and like yeah i like it okay i'll check
it out um marie you put on the list for this
episode uh whitney levitt's z -way interview
yes what do you like what do you have what are
your thoughts what do you have to say about that
OK, so I never listened to Z -Way interview people
before Whitney Leavitt and I just started seeing
clips. So I did like go watch some other ones,
too. And I kind of then like understood a little
bit more of how she asked questions and like
she'll even repeat some of the questions, you
know, that she asked Whitney. I don't know. I
kind of realized like Whitney's not that funny.
Like Whitney tries to be like very funny, but
like when I watched some of Z -Way's other interviews,
like people were quick and like came back at
her with like funny answers or like played along
with what she had to say in a way that like almost
made it, like if you ever watched the like Between
Two Ferns interviews, like it almost made it
a little bit of like that kind of comedy that's
like, dry and um i don't know what you want to
say like but whitney like wasn't quick enough
so it made it super awkward like she didn't and
she doesn't know anything about current events
like nothing she doesn't and she also didn't
know what the first amendment was which i struggled
with that was that was a lot yeah what i think
i recognized was someone who was deeply trying
to like not be problematic in a way that they
could put whatever she was saying online and
like clip it out or whatever like whether or
not it was taken out of context i think she tried
to be within those safe lines but i think the
magic of z -way is i think if you're a good sport
about it i think z -way will give you a lot to
work with um and i z -way is genuinely like i
i if i if she pops up on my timeline i will 1000
of the time watch her i think she's one of the
most hysterically funny people on cod's green
earth and it's it's shocking to me how young
she is and like she's so quick and like yeah
there's like a deep wit to her that like a lot
of people don't like that takes a long time to
develop so i'm she's very impressive to me but
like whitney was deeply trying like not to be
problematic and it's like i thought the funniest
thing was like when she was um when z was like
how many black friends do you have and she goes
i have three it's just like oh uh -huh that's
i don't think that's the answer she was looking
for and two of them were layla and z -way so
yeah yeah yeah no her like immediate thing which
like no one ever wants to hear is oh my best
friend's black and i'm like that's like the best
friend you went on a mission with okay yeah like
that is like like textbook like of like the answer
you don't want from a white person like why would
you like like oh you went right there you went
right and fell into like that like what i don't
know but I do think for, like, as bumpy as it
could have been, I think Whitney went in trying
to be a good sport. Because what I will give
Whitney is that she, I think, knows who she is.
And, like, I think she gets the perception and
how it's developed over time. And when she was
like honest about like, yeah, I only came back
on the show to go on, to go on Dancing with the
Stars. I was like, I appreciate her saying that
because like, I'm not interested in this whole
thing of like, I just really want mom talk to
be a family. No, you don't. That's not a real
thing. And like, I like, I like Taylor and I
like Whitney, like being honest about that. Right.
Yeah. I agree. And that's what we've talked about.
We love Whitney when Whitney's honest. Yeah.
We cannot stand Whitney. in a lot of other instances
but when she's honest it's like okay that's who
you are like we're good about it but there's
definitely some things where like oh my god like
i i do also find her annoying um but i do like
when she's honest she's that like millennial
cringe kind of almost that like i i get why people
think she's annoying but like i bet if you're
friends with her like because i think back to
there was one very specific episode where i think
the girls were going to um to new orleans and
uh jen didn't go to new orleans with them because
she was like she was going through it like in
her marriage and like she was newly pregnant
and whitney came over and like cleaned up the
house for her and like she was like i'm gonna
be late i was like she's a good friend so like
i think yeah I think she doesn't let people into
that space on the show sometimes. And like, if
I go a little bit deeper, I assume it's because
there's part of her life that she's trying to
protect, just given like how there was trouble
in her marriage and there was like, there was
a lot going on. So I would imagine that she's
just not that comfortable. Like as much as she's
put out there, I don't know if she's that comfortable
yet. So like, I would like to get to know the
real Whitney. Yeah. Agree. Yeah. And I, I have
seen myself in Whitney and like, we've talked
about this sometimes is because like, I feel
like she's very honest to the point of like,
she understands that she's not truly friends
with these women. Like she is on a TV show with
them and she does mom talks with them, which
gets them likes and gets people to their TikTok.
So like. Okay. It's not like she's using them.
I don't want to say that, that, but it's like,
I feel like she more honestly understands the
relationship. Okay. She's honest about the dynamic.
Her relationships and the dynamic is the way
I sometimes can see relationships and dynamics
and it makes other people uncomfortable because
other people get close to each other a lot faster.
Like I, I just don't until I see. her like from
that perspective because she's like i don't get
it we i i showed up i did the things we were
supposed to do i'm doing this show i i'm i'm
having the dinner i'm doing this stuff like why
do you need me to then send you text messages
because like in her head that's that's fake like
because okay she's not truly friends with them
she has her friends like kind of thing i don't
So that's the perspective I get from it because
I don't I don't like easily like pull people
into my circle. So I kind of like see that with
her. It's like this is my job. And so she has
a job boundary in relationship with these people.
Whether that's true or not, I don't know. I'm
probably projecting, but that's how I know. I
think that's fair because I think she has said
that on at least one instance. I can remember
where they were. they were, I think they went
to stage coach and like, she showed up at the
house that they were filming in. And she was
like, I'm going to do some tech talks real quick.
Cause I'm like contractually obligated to, and
like, granted she wasn't getting along with the
women at that time, but like, I think, and your
perspective is actually very fair. And I've never
thought about it that way, but like. I think
from my perspective, it's like, why can't she
be friends with these women? Because I look at
people like Michaela and Macy, who I love their
friendship. And that is a real, genuine friendship.
And it was the same way at one point. I want
to believe it was the same way at one point with
Demi and Jessie. I don't know that Demi ever
had a genuine bone in her body. But I like to
see that kind of friendship. blossom a little
bit and like and i i hope we get more of those
genuine friendships because andy cohen's talked
a lot about this we're like the best housewife
shows are the ones where you know the women are
friends in real life and it's like i think that's
why we struck a little bit with beverly hills
with with orange county with um with some of
the the housewives in miami where like you know
that they don't hang out like yes what are we
doing here so like i hope that we get more of
that especially with um with oh god miranda coming
back to back into the group because i think she's
just a cool girl and i can't wait to get to know
more about her yeah yeah miranda's like i have
a crush on her she is like you too i'm like god
she's hot like she is so yeah there's not an
ugly one on that cast like let's just call no
they're all gorgeous but like miranda's like
there's just something about her where i'm like
you are cool like i want to be your friend yeah
i feel like she's cool and almost a little dorky
which makes her even cooler like all maybe that's
what it is yeah yeah i don't know what it is
but yeah it's like a genuineness though it's
like this is who i am what are you gonna do yeah
i met out with taylor what are you gonna do yeah
yeah exactly i love it um so and i'm assuming
you didn't watch the finale of the traitors or
the reunion no okay that's okay well then marie
tell us what you think about it i just grieved
at the i think i already i mean i was just like
so annoyed that like i couldn't get Maura to
like hear me or like believe Tara Tara like I
was just like come on I like so many times I
kept thinking Tara got her like Tara is gonna
pull her over outside she's gonna believe it
but then I think as soon as we found out that
Maura was getting on that helicopter with Rob
I was like nope it's done like they shouldn't
have left those two go together yes and i was
like oh wrong move wrong move guys like he is
going this is it this is like the final straw
like yeah he's gonna have her i this season from
start to finish was lightning in a bottle like
it was nothing short of like cinema i loved every
second of it um I felt so bad at the very end,
though, when Maura was like, I feel so stupid.
I'm like an idiot. Like, because I was like,
oh, that's real. Because I think I was watching
some TikTok where she was like, I think in her
mind, she thought she was going to get like the
Boston Rob ending where like, she ends up with
Rob Rauch and like, they live happily ever after,
which, by the way, I would love that too, Rob
Rauch, if you're listening. But like, I... i
i was like oh she's she feels embarrassed and
that sucks like that really sucks and like yeah
there was something about like when she looked
at him and she said don't don't speak stop talking
like i was like oh she's taking back her power
a little bit because like she's mad like yeah
yeah yeah yeah i was just like because she stood
there for so long and she just i think in the
reunion she said i just thought he was gonna
say i'm kidding like she just could not like
nothing was going to convince her that he was
a traitor like she just was so 100 on board with
like knowing that he was a faithful with her
like and the whole house fell under his spell
yeah you know what i mean by the way i would
have to like let me just be real with you he
could have murdered me and i would have been
like that's my fault that's on me So I don't
judge me, but I watch this with my eight and
six year old. Like it has become our show. So
they love it. It's not like we're watching Love
Island with them. Like it's fine. I know. And
so my six year old, she was like, I just love
his hair. And my eight year old's like, I think
it's his face. And I'm like, oh God, even my
children are like falling for him. he is annoyingly
attractive like that's the problem is like he's
so classically handsome and like he's got that
like i like to go catch snakes in the backyard
like he's so hot and i'm like what oh my god
there's nothing there's nothing hotter yeah and
then he ended up actually being semi -intelligent
too you know like with the commiserate thing
yes yes i loved when he was like i can't stand
this that is not the definition of that word
he's he's read a dictionary like yeah he knows
definitions so proud of him oh my god uh but
yeah it was uh it was a good one though it was
a good ending but it was it had me feeling things
like i was very upset like it it it was like
exciting but it also like made me sad i was like
oh i just felt so bad for her i agree because
like for me it was like i remember seeing the
first season where the traitor won and i was
like i didn't i didn't like that i also that
that cast didn't work together like i thought
it was it was a strange group of people but like
yeah but then like you see season two and season
three and like season three that you couldn't
have picked a better group of people to win i
mean dolores and and gabby windy like i couldn't
get enough of that so like I was like, okay,
so maybe they're going to switch it up this year
and, like, let a trader win. And I was like,
if it is going to be any... I mean, they had
good traders this year. Lisa Rinna, Candice,
and Rob. Like, great traders. I agree, though.
I was like, I didn't want... Because, like, I...
didn't think I was gonna like Johnny and Tara
as much as I did they they grew on me and I was
like I did like them going to the end yeah like
they were and especially after like you found
out that they were like I mean after we knew
it but like as soon as they like were honest
about being friends I was like oh they're yeah
I like their friendship like I was kind of like
how didn't people know this I don't know like
I mean I guess I grew up with like you're a little
bit younger so like you don't i don't know like
that was like my olympics was like tara lapinski
and like i knew like they've been you know like
friends and everything but no one seemed to like
get that i'm like i don't know i thought everyone
knew that i remember something after that olympics
like i i knew they were like in the same world
because like the figure skating world is like
the size of a postage stamp but like i didn't
realize they were like best best best friends
and like i i like i like i just i thought they
were like co -workers i guess like but no i thought
like i love their friendship i think it's so
cool yeah yeah yeah um sorry that you didn't
like it ann i wish i had i wish i had i didn't
watch it it's not that i didn't like it i just
she needs to because i'll watch it let's add
that to my list you guys are a survivor family
yeah oh if you're like survivor and stuff so
i'm like between you knowing all the housewives
and knowing survivor like you're gonna know way
more cast members than i even do because i don't
watch big brother or survivor so yeah i don't
want to say big now that they're on like their
50th season or whatever like i can take it or
leave it but um with With the traitors, like
I think it was season two, I was watching in
the office that Emma and I shared and like I
was like gasping at like someone getting murdered
or something. And Emma like literally turns around
and looks at me. She goes, well, they really
found their target audience here. In the ongoing
joke with that show, because it's like I get
deep into that. I love the traitors. Yeah, I
do too. I really like it. And I need you to watch
it. Like when you do watch it, I want you to
come back on and I want us to unpack it together.
All right, I will. So we also revisited the Secret
Lives of Mormon Wives in honor of season four
dropping next week. So I thought, all right,
this wasn't really my idea. This was Marie and
Anne's idea that we kind of like revisit the
last three seasons and hit some really highlights.
Because why not? And then I also just started
being able to tell the women apart because Jesse,
Demi, and Taylor, in my mind, were all exactly
the same person. Now it's kind of it's refreshing
to be able to watch that through the eyes of
being able to differentiate them. Yeah, it's
so funny you say that because I went back and
watched each of them to like refresh myself and
kind of like fast forwarded through a little
bit. And my first note was like, how did I ever
get Jesse and Demi mixed up? Because like now,
like I can totally tell. But that first season.
I was bad. Like, I could not tell them apart
for anything. It was so crazy. I was bad until
the middle of season three. Yeah. Oh, wow. See,
I always knew. I mean, there was moments that
I was like, oh, wow, they do really resemble
each other. But I feel like since Jessie has
really gotten a lot of work done, I think she's
looking more like Denise. Really? Yes. Like,
there was a TikTok that they had posted. I really
did not know if it was Jessie or Demi in the
TikTok. I mean, it was Jessie because they weren't
even speaking to Demi, but I could not believe
how much she resembled her. I'm looking her up
on Instagram right now because I... Oh, you're
right. Okay. No, it's like the most recent Instagram
she's posted. I'm like, oh, I 100 % see what
you're talking about. Yeah. it's crazy well getting
into it then um so we started with season one
episode seven the book of trust and i think one
of my favorite things going back and like seeing
the first seasons of um like any any housewives
any any show like this is like before they were
like conscious of the fact that they were on
camera because like you see like some like some
of the hair that they're doing and like and i'm
just like oh they're just throwing it all at
the wall and hoping for the best yeah and like
someone like go ahead someone like jesse like
who does hair and like she's so good at it like
when they were in vegas i was like diva what
is going on yeah yeah she had like that weird
updo but like yeah had had clip it or um had
her extension so like yes you could like i where
i was like what is happening i didn't even like
realize it the first time i watched it i don't
think but i was like i did that i that stood
out to me like a lot this time yeah no that was
like one of my biggest pet peeves like And every
time that that camera went at one of the girls,
you could see their, like, extension. And I'm
like, what is happening? Can we please fix this?
This was a thing with Layla, like, up until season
three, though, where, like, the producers did
her dirty on that show. Oh, yeah. You could see,
like, the tape and extensions. Like, I felt,
oh, I agree. Yeah. I typically, I'll be honest,
I typically take, like, deep, detailed notes
about, like, each of the episodes I watch, but,
like, I also watch these this morning, like,
so forgive me if I miss anything. And feel free
to jump in with anything. But, um, so this was
the episode where they're kind of, like, it's
the aftermath of the Vegas thing, and they, like,
go to Chippendales, and Zach's doing his whole
being on the cross thing about, like, how he
can't be with someone who's doesn't have morals
or whatever and like I think back to like I've
been to Vegas I've been there many times I've
been to one of these shows and my I guess my
question is is like do you think these women
are like going in and like hooking up with these
men like is that what you think is happening
like because like that's it's yeah it's the whole
thing is it's like it's a fantasy it's one night
we watch these guys dance for an hour and it's
like we have something crazy to talk about at
work the next week like what right it's not that
big of a deal right yes yeah I was so frustrated
again, going back. I was just, I think also because
of the way they clipped it together with him
sitting at the poker tables. And I was like,
it almost seemed like going back, he started
a fight just so he'd have the entire night to
himself to gamble without interruption. You know,
like I was like, or he just felt guilty. So he's
like, I have. to find what she's doing wrong
so that i don't feel as guilty doing my interesting
okay you know like that's how i saw it the second
time through yeah i was that's actually a really
good point i never thought about that i mean
yeah i mean he like he does seem to like have
a better redemption story than some of the other
guys um i agree you know as the seasons have
gone on but man going back to this i was like
whoa he was he was something yeah i said this
was the episode that zach made like america hate
him i agree i was literally about to say that
because like yeah i forgot how nasty it was um
yes and then what else happened i'm like the
things he was texting her yeah yeah he said he
doesn't have her anymore he sent her all yeah
yeah i don't love you like i'm gonna take your
kids away from you um like crazy stuff yeah like
i forgot how bad it was yeah like it was and
like i think because i always get curious about
like the behind the scenes stuff and i'm like
oh he was willing to say this when he knew cameras
were rolling how bad does it get when the cameras
go down yep like yes exactly um and yeah that
was rough yeah i also noted because obviously
we now know everything that has happened up through
season three but Jesse was hard going for Zach
and Jen's marriage and talking about how, how
can you be like this? Like how can you be like
this? Like she was big on making Jen feel really
bad about the fact that like she wasn't standing
up for herself, that she like left, that like
she had a lot to say. And I'm like, wow, you
were behind the scenes in a. abusive relationship
right because we now know how jordan treated
you and jordan has not had a redemption story
like jordan is still out there on podcasts saying
well she's wrong too well you don't know how
she is like i yeah it was interesting going back
i think that jesse was 100 projecting there because
like i think i think if there if if the if the
fighting between jesse and uh jordan was bad
before like i imagine that what what happened
with marciano only made it a million times worse
so like if it if it was going on like i would
imagine like it was something that jesse could
let go but like it was enough to make her project
onto um jen what she wishes she could have said
i but lord have mercy like that entire that whole
thing with jen and zach i was like i'm glad that
they like figured it out but like i don't know
that i could have come back from that honestly
like like hearing that you don't love me anymore
i'm like well bye yeah yeah yeah i know it was
really really bad i cannot imagine um so the
next morning they're all like getting up they're
all doing their thing and like i i love that
uh what's his face the taylor's guy um dakota
oh my dakota yes thank you uh dakota calls her
and she answers the phone and she's like yeah
we went but we went backstage with these guys
and then he's like well you didn't tell me that
last night and she goes i'm telling you now yeah
i loved her yeah i love everything about taylor
i think what i do believe about taylor is what
you see is a thousand percent what you get like
i don't think there's i don't think she puts
on any type of like anything for this show i
think i don't even think she has a hulu subscription
i think she's never seen the show i think that
she's just being silly in herself yeah yeah i
love her a hundred percent she does not yeah
there's no like games with her there's no nothing
she just is like is what it is i think i said
it before i was like you know when people say
like oh they're playing chess and i'm playing
checkers whatever i was like with her it's like
the rest of the cast is trying to play chess
and she's playing chutes and ladders like it's
just whatever comes goes like she has no like
she's not she does not care anything anything
no yeah yeah i love it i love it so much um and
then i'm gonna be super honest i do not remember
what happened after that so you guys take over
from um for that not a time it was a lot of a
lot of little stuff here and there like i think
dakota ended up like coming in the house and
he wanted to go talk to taylor and she like broke
down hysterically crying because she was like
pregnant i think she was like 12 days out from
her due date or something um uh that was about
it like that was the next biggest thing like
there was literally nothing it was like macy
and mikaela trying to figure out the name brand
of a couch and like it was like weird little
things like there was nothing else much in the
episode that was like worth of note yeah so yeah
i think the only other thing that happened was
dakota coming in and talking to um taylor like
he like broke in when she passed me yeah when
she was like napping yeah and then he just like
went she was sleeping lord have mercy i he's
like i dakota's another one that like i want
to like him i really really do because i'm like
i think there's something so sweet about like
this like oh i'm from iowa or whatever but like
there's just something there where i like i i
can't i can't with him it's just it's no i know
i that's i said the same thing about dakota like
i feel like you constantly want to keep giving
him chances because i'm like oh he's going to
change this time he's going to do better and
then uh at the last reunion i was just like i'm
done i'm done like you can't anymore like i've
never seen anything like it yeah that was awful
awful but well the other sick part is like I
have to imagine it's a little different from
the housewives where everyone is tied to a housewife.
I have a feeling Dakota's got to be his own cast
member or something because I don't see how he
keeps getting back on this show. Yeah. After
all that, I'm like, what are you doing? He's
someone where I get mad at how many chances everyone's
willing to give him and he's still able to mess
it up. I'm like, you can't get out of your own
way, dude. That's hard. yeah yeah he's not my
favorite at all no but yeah i don't have much
else for that one i don't think there was a lot
okay um so then for season two we chose episode
seven again the book of gratitude and i liked
this episode i liked it a lot um yeah um so I
remember like calling this out when, when Emma
and I covered this episode on bestie approved,
but like, I see Taylor getting out of that bag
when she goes to Dakota's Airbnb. I'm sorry.
She gets out of her car when she goes to Dakota's
Airbnb and she's wearing that go yard bag out.
Like I have never seen a bag as much as I've
seen Taylor Frankie Paul with that go yard, like
tote constantly. Yeah. But I like, I wrote, I
also remember this was a big thing for Emma.
Like Dakota didn't have baby wipes at his house.
Yes. I wrote like, this is the episode where
they let poor Ever like in a shitty diaper because
they don't even have enough like thought process
to be like, oh, we could use the paper towels
and wet them. Like there was other things that
could have happened. Like, yes. Should the man
have had baby wipes at his house? 100 % like
being a parent, we have baby wipes. We had baby
wipes everywhere. Like they were just constantly
all over the place. I couldn't imagine running
out of them, but like there are other ways to
clean up a baby besides let them sit in a shitty
diaper. There are like, you can figure it out,
but they didn't. It was weird to me. can i be
so real with you i the entire time i was like
i don't see what the big deal is like i like
and then emma was like you're an idiot like don't
say that out loud because i don't i don't like
it like what am i gonna do with that oh my gosh
like you didn't think it was a big deal that
they didn't change his diaper or like that he
didn't have baby wipes that he didn't have baby
wipes because i was like oh surely he's just
gonna go get him if he needs him like yeah right
but i also like i think i'm giving him a lot
of credit there so i could be wrong i don't know
because i mean that wasn't like top of my thing
that like yeah like there were things that we
forgot all the time i can't even tell you how
many times we went somewhere and forgot a bottle
or you know just something a diaper something
so stupid So, I mean, it happens. But I mean,
like, I get what Marie's saying. Like, yeah,
take them and hose them off in the bathroom,
like in the tub. You know what I mean? Use a
towel, wipe them off. Like, I don't know. There
were so many things like they made this into
be way more than what it needed to be. That was
the part that annoyed me, which is how long they
like kept filming and like wouldn't get this
poor kid out of his wet, shitty diaper. There
are other ways to clean up a butt than wet wipes.
I think that was the part that like drove me
insane. Yeah. The other thing, when you said
about Taylor's bag, did you, the Amazon Prime
commercial that like Jesse and Demi had where
Jesse goes over to her house to wrap Christmas
gifts. oh yeah and they have two prime boxes
on the porch they're like we love amazon prime
it's so fast and like they bring them in and
they show her cutting through the amazon prime
tape and i was like was that this episode wow
like i think so that's the one i took no oh i
like i don't i mean i have the dakota diaper
thing too so it should be the same it was like
the beginning it was one of the first things
yeah i must have fully just like because i remember
what you're talking about but like i didn't even
clock that but like i remember when i saw that
i was like okay this is a sponsored episode yeah
yeah like big time yeah it was right before taylor
went over to dakota's place okay that that is
that is so funny i like i didn't even oh no i
do have that like okay so i literally wrote I
have a note here saying Jesse goes to Demi's
house. I didn't pay attention to this scene.
That's literally what I wrote. Okay. Got it.
There was nothing else of importance that happened
in it, but I just needed to know how ridiculous
their like product placement commercial like
was. It was so dumb. Yeah. I get that Jeff Bezos
money, I guess, whatever it takes. Yeah. Demi
and Layla are talking and Layla and Cam I guess
had a fight so bad that Layla's flying solo at
Friendsgiving which sucks because like I'm the
single guy at every event like I so I feel for
her what she's going through especially because
like she's had this guy and it's like whatever
and it's like well okay like I guess I'm not
bringing him like I hate that like Looking back
on their relationship, I mean, Cam was never
the right guy for her. Layla's way too hot for
him. 100%. Layla could have anyone she wanted.
Also, looking back on it, Miranda's ex, Chase's
brother, when they were dating, I guess they
broke up. Chase's brother is hot. I hate that
they broke up. so i guess uh layla had invited
whitney and then she wasn't sure about inviting
jen and like it's funny like looking back on
this because like i remember hating whitney i
don't remember why i hated whitney and then it's
like i remember hating jen and i couldn't really
remember why i hated jen either so it's funny
what these shows do to you and then like i like
had to jog my memory so like it was i mean jen
was just a liar that's why i didn't like her
like i still don't remember why i hated whitney
but um yeah like so but they're talking and like
i and i don't remember what made me write this
down but like i uh oh no it's because demi said
so demi said she feels like taylor is triggered
by her success and i was like demi you need to
shut your mouth like because i know i've always
hated demi yeah yes i did like demi demi whatever
how in the very beginning the first season the
first couple episodes i liked her and i liked
how she called out like everyone and and then
then i didn't like it was bad like i liked her
and then instantly i was over it okay i i guess
i can see that because like there does there
does feel like if you don't know her there does
feel like there's an honesty there but like yeah
yeah um do you know who brett's ex -wife is by
the way do you know who brett's ex -wife yes
angie harrington harrington yes yeah oh yes yes
yeah I was like I would love to know more about
that which surprises me because it's like I yeah
I obviously know he's older but like Angie Harrington
just seems like in a fully different generation
than to me you know what I mean so like it doesn't
even seem like only like 40 something she's not
that old oh is she I don't know it just like
they seem like two different worlds for some
reason and I guess it's just because housewives
to me is like in this kind of like generation
whereas sure the secret lives women like are
so young I mean a lot of them are still like
in their 20s I think Demi's a little it triggers
me every time they put their age up on the screen
I'm like shut up stop when it's like 23 and they're
like oh my life could be over and i'm like your
life hasn't even started what are you talking
about you already have 17 kids shut up yeah yes
um so crazy but um i guess part of the the charm
of them being young is that they've never gone
through a car wash because michaela and macy
go through a car wash and michaela's scared of
the car wash and like i didn't i remember not
really liking michaela yet at this point so i
was like mad i was like everything is a put on
show and like now that i like michaela i can
get over that but lord have mercy yeah and then
we find out that michaela's gonna start baking
sourdough just to beat whitney's sourdough and
yeah and i like petty i like that part i could
have gone with i like petty i don't i like i
don't like this like weird competitive like i'm
just like this felt put on for the show yeah
yeah oh i'm sure it was yeah yeah but she just
hates whitney so much i was just kind of like
yeah do whatever you want but you know to get
back at her i don't know fair why did why did
michaela hate whitney so much like that i could
not remember because they were good friends and
then she didn't tell her she was leaving the
group chat and just ghosted everyone including
who was like her best friend remember then Whitney
showed up to Michaela's birthday didn't even
talk to Michaela and went and talked to Macy
yes Macy yes yes i okay that that feels familiar
you're right there this show like the time i
i've talked to emma about this before we're like
the timeline feels so compressed that like you
know a lot has happened but like i could not
place where anything has happened i i feel like
i do remember exactly what you're talking about
though um then demi and brett go to that baking
store and i could have done without this scene
until you get the hot mic moment like i did not
need to see them getting dick candies that was
weird that was i also hate when brett calls her
demetria like i'm just like i don't yeah i don't
know if i remember that wait is that like any
real name i don't know if it's her real name
but like anytime she does anything like scandalous
he'll go demetria and i'm like uh oh yeah i didn't
catch that um but then the cameras go down audio
keeps rolling and brett is acting super guilty
and he keeps doing the whole you know i'd never
do that you know i'd never do that and like demi
literally goes it makes you sound more guilty
when you keep saying it stop talking about it
like yeah like yeah that was a lot um i did like
to see their like off -camera dynamics though
like i love oh yeah to like actually see how
she talks to him when a camera is not in her
face and how he reacts i was like oh i like this
i i did get that a little bit too where i was
like oh you can tell that they like pre -plan
what they're going to show to the cameras it's
not like taylor at all like it's it's the polar
opposite yep yeah um we go over to michaela's
house and we see that she's hired someone to
teach her how to make sourdough just to be like
i don't need that um and then we go over and
see whitney and connor baking and zach shows
up because whitney's worried about jen and she's
crying in the bed every day and apparently it's
getting worse and this was hard because i feel
like zach was doing the right thing by defending
jen in this moment like because i was like you
have to take your wife's side but like Jen was
lying about everything that they were fighting
about. Like from what I remember, like it just
felt like she was just like making stuff up.
And I was like, it's, it's, it's a, it's a rock
and a hard place for Zach right now, I guess.
Cause he's like, cause we get, I feel like we
get this like later in the season where Zach
literally looks at Jen when they're all like
having a confrontation. He's like, I wish he
would just be honest about like what we're talking
about right now. Like. I don't know, but so I
feel like in Jen's defense, I never got really
upset with her because I felt like she was tiptoeing
around Zach. Like she was lying just so he wouldn't
get like upset with her about things. You know,
I don't know. I don't feel like she ever. maybe
exaggerating yeah I think I had I think we talked
about that like yeah a lot of it was part yeah
like I don't feel like kind of like relationship
and yeah yeah like she was afraid and I'm trying
to remember back I know I've always kind of had
a soft spot for Jen like I never really thought
of her as a liar and i think that's okay we had
that perspective yeah that's fair and i will
say like i started to develop that soft spot
like after i saw her um it was the scene where
whitney went over to jen's house i was like oh
she's not eating like she she's in a bad bad
bad place right now like i i did develop that
for i'll give you that yeah yeah um and then
so zach said he knows that there are skeletons
in jesse and demi's closets and then jesse's
going out or i'm sorry demi was going out of
her way to get a cease and desist to stop jen
from talking about about something and i like
i remember the cease and desist coming up i don't
remember what was it over the fruity pebbles
thing i think it was actually from the season
three stuff where they were at vanderpump villa
um yeah i didn't want her talking about the things
that happened yeah and i don't think it ever
materialized i think that was one of jen's um
like embellishing the yes that is yes that one
i'll buy a hundred percent yeah well i never
came i they could never like it could never materialized
i'm not saying it wasn't threatened but like
a cease and desist was never delivered or as
we know no because she kept bringing it up right
it was a threat yeah because demi would consistently
say well show it show the show the you know the
papers or whatever and there was you're right
you're right you're right um god like that that
that feels like a lifetime ago but that was literally
like last year when this happened yeah uh um
it is such a short timeline Yeah. Layla goes
to Swig to meet Cam. And I love the Swig product
placement because like it's it is also my happy
place. And Cam isn't sure if Layla loves him
because just because of the dynamic in their
relationship and Layla opens up about people
not sticking around in her life and like that
kind of. paints a lot of like how her relationships
go and like that i hate that for her like i want
leila to have nothing but like no joy and happiness
and love like because she deserves all of it
and like i oh that sucks and then we go over
to see dakota and some man playing basketball
i disassociated for this entire scene i have
no idea what they talked about yeah yeah that
was that was i didn't take any notes on that
scene i was like whatever um we get to friendsgiving
and I loved, like, just, like, the decoration,
like, the aesthetic of the entire event. Like,
it looks incredible. Layla's sister shows up.
She's gorgeous. Mikayla bakes, like, a bunch
of stuff, and one of them's a pumpkin pie with
Jesus' face on it. And the cinnamon rolls that
look... Not hot cheese. um the cinnamon rolls
looked incredible and I remember being annoyed
because I was like I hate Michaela at this time
but like I wanted to try those cinnamon rolls
so like that was a weird place to be in those
sourdough cinnamon rolls I know I would have
chose that to be sampled not what did she I was
annoyed that she chose this stupid pie with this
Jesus face on it I was like why would you do
that why would you choose that she chose the
pie yeah she should have chose the cinnamon rolls
yay jesus i guess i don't know um and then poor
layla with her pumpkin pie was not being fully
cooked and i was like oh yes oh god um yeah she
should have bought something like taylor did
right taylor bought something from the store
i thought that was the funniest thing on god's
green i was like god this is I love her so much.
She stopped at the Trader Joe's on the way there,
and I was like, you cannot stop being perfect
in my mind. I love her so much. So then... I
feel like I focused a lot on what people made.
Like, Miranda's blueberry coffee cake looked
really, really good. Macy made peanut butter
bars with Joseph Smith standing on top of them.
And I remember asking Emma about this. Like,
do you think that they have, like, just stores
with, like, Mormon paraphernalia, like, around
Utah? Oh, probably. That's so funny. I bet, yeah.
I 100%, yeah. Like, there's such, like, a specific
character to put on, like, i think it's like
it's like with the christian religion like i
can't think of like or like with with islam like
you're not putting muhammad like on your peanut
butter bars like yeah i don't know right but
i don't know uh and then demi made a better than
what cake with dicks all over it and like i was
so annoyed because i googled what was in this
cake and i would have i would have eaten it like
it was my last meal and I didn't miss Connor
saying that the dick cake was a total turn on
and the penises didn't bother him. And I was
like, sure, girl. Didn't bother him at all. I
bet they didn't. Nope. What were you going to
say, sir? I nothing I just I Connor like grew
on me I hated him the first season like yeah
I still like have in the back of my head of like
who he was and I'm like I I don't I always have
a hard time believing someone actually changed
but I think he definitely changed for the cameras
and so like I like the character he is now and
I always like his little speeches and I fell
in love with like um you know like when he told
his backstory and all of that stuff like i'm
a sucker for somebody's sad backstory i agree
like you're gonna get me every time with it so
you know i agree no i i think with with connor
i think the problem that i had with him is like
i knew we weren't getting the real him and i
think when he fixed everything that happened
with uh with Whitney and like I think that he
made right by her I wholeheartedly believe like
what we're seeing is is the real Connor now like
I'll give him that like he did grow on me I hope
so yeah yeah yeah um Layla ended up bringing
up the confession she got about Brett and like
Brett looks so furious for a second I was like
oh he's breaking character like he's like we're
getting the real him and um Macy said she regretted
sharing it with the girls because because of
this and I was like no you don't like I like
Macy but I was like don't pretend like you don't
live for this come on yeah yeah um and then that
like got brushed over fairly quickly I felt like
but then Taylor starts to break down about the
Dakota situation and say what you will about
these men like and really the entire group I
was so impressed by the way they really rallied
around Taylor to support her and they really
tried to build her up and lift her up and I thought
that was just really cool to see because I was
like you know they talk about like what mom talk
is supposed to be and like what what the heart
of it is and I was like, oh, this is what they're
talking about. That's really cool to see. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. I like that also. Yeah. Yeah. It
was, it was a good ending and it was like perfect
for the Friendsgiving like theme. I agree. I
agree. It was, it was a perfect bow on that because
like it was, I think getting there was like,
like I could have done without like probably
40 % of this episode, but I was like, I'll take
it because of the end of it. um yeah but yeah
so then uh season three episode nine the book
of judgment what did you guys think about this
episode i didn't like this one as much i didn't
understand why it was so popular because i you
know like i had just chosen things that imdb
showed as like rated high and i was just like
i don't know meh yeah i i felt like my favorite
from season three I don't know what my favorite
from season three was. Like I, cause I, I felt
like season three, like was thrown together in
a way that like, I think they were trying to
get, get it like airing very quickly. Like I'm
going to be really honest. Like I kind of like
tune most of this episode out. I'm not going
to lie to you. So you guys can talk about whatever
you want with it. Cause like this one, I was
like, well, this was. when yeah i kind of were
like i made really quick notes on this one because
i was just kind of like okay an et episode devolves
into chaos next scene taylor tells her mom about
dakota and the family member like where he had
like a relationship with one of their best friends
that they treated like a family leanne's hugging
her purse in a corner like i was just like it
was just kind of like weird little scenes all
clipped together that like yeah Yeah. Leanne
is one of our favorite characters. Like we always,
yeah. Really? We just think she's hilarious.
Not favorite as in we like her. Favorite as in
we love to hate her. Like we think she's just
hilarious of like how thirsty she is as a mom.
And just like how terrible she treats Taylor.
Like it's something. Yeah. The whole dynamic
of Leanne is just insane to me. Like I love.
the many faces of Leanne going from season one
to now I'm like okay girl get it like and we
sit here and we talk about this because I feel
for Taylor or not Taylor Jessie so much like
I think Jessie again all the girls are stunning
yeah but what she's constantly doing to herself
like you know and I know people are so hard on
her about it but if I was a public figure I would
be doing the same freaking crazy bullshit. I
know I would. I would be picking myself apart.
I'm on my third nose right now. I don't want
to hear anything from anyone about plastic surgery.
I support it. I want everyone to get whatever
elective surgery they want. I don't care. That's
how I am. I agree 100 % because I know if I had
the money and again, you're constantly looking
at yourself in the screen. I'd be like, oh, I
can change that. I can do this. So, yeah, we're
for it. With Jessie, I think it goes a little
bit deeper, too, right? Because she works in
the beauty industry. And, like, there's, like,
you're looking in a mirror all day. And, like,
there are, I mean, and it's, like, part of it,
like, she's not part of the church anymore. But,
like, the church will put deeply into you. Like,
and it's not just the Mormon church. Like, a
lot of churches are this way where it's, like,
your only job as a woman is to be an attractive.
good wife and like so like I think some of that
stuff is very deeply ingrained and I I can understand
why someone like Jessie who is gorgeous to begin
with I don't think she needed I don't think she
needed a syringe of Botox in her but like if
she wants to go get it I understand why she feels
like she not not not needs to but I understand
why I understand where that comes from I guess
yeah yeah yeah for sure i could not stand i don't
know how i would react if i had to look at myself
i who knows you know because i don't i gotta
tell you like i don't have people commenting
on my face so i can't even imagine what that
would be like all the time yeah the way that
people are so comfortable like just saying whatever
they want online about about women especially
because like guys don't get it as bad but like
the way people are just like well like she needs
to do this she needs to lose 10 pounds and i'm
like how about you shut the hell up yeah it's
disgusting i would yeah i would be a hot mess
i would not be able to read the comments because
i uh yeah i don't think i could handle that no
that's awful and then i don't know why i'm saying
and then i i wrote zero notes for this episode
they just keep rehashing yeah they just keep
rehashing the halloween party that happened in
season one and um about the shove and they keep
talking about that um well that's it i'm like
let's move on that was because uh i miranda gets
a fight with demi about it Because she's like,
why are you calling it a shove? Like, let's chill
out about what actually happened kind of thing.
Yeah. Well, it wasn't like I remember Taylor
do Jimmy Kimmel. I remember like that entire
thing where like, I think Emma and I said this
on the podcast too, where I was like. she knows
exactly what she's doing running up the stairs
saying he put his hands on me Brett like you
were a monster and like I should have known in
that moment who Demi was and like it's just like
who are you trying to prove this like this whole
shove thing like it happened yeah it happened
like season one or season two like who are you
who was this for oh yeah yeah yeah anyway I don't
know and then she believes her own stuff like
she believes it but i don't even feel like he
shoved her like i felt like he like grabbed the
side of her waist or something and was like where's
your husband or whatever he said i don't even
know what yeah where's your husband yeah yeah
i think he just touched her yeah yeah as he walked
past like hey where's your husband yeah no in
my mind it was like he was walking through and
she was there and he said okay i'm like put his
hand on like her like wherever and that was the
end of it in my mind and i'm like and granted
i think we were supposed to see chase in a very
different light than we do now because like i
you can't tell me chase is not one of the greatest
guys on god's green earth right now but like
the way that they painted him to like have basically
taken her out back and hit her i'm like my lord
have mercy you're a chase fan yeah he was a lot
i would climb him like a tree no no oh and i
got so mad at me too i think he is so hot i love
him i can't get enough i can't i can't why why
just like i guess it's because like i'm such
a big fan of like miranda and it's just like
where did he even come from he he kept putting
himself in situations because he wanted the fame
and he wanted on the show and i guess because
he wouldn't ever come out really and say what
he did like he kept twisting it and taylor's
like you know what you did so he was never really
up front and honest about that i don't know i
just feel like and then in the reunion when they
had him I was like, why is Chase here? Oh, being
a bartender for Dunkin' Donuts. Yes. To be fair,
that was weird. I'm just not. I think I like
him because of who I've seen on social media.
Because I will buy that the swinging thing was
very hard for all of them to get past. I'll give
every one of them that. I will give them all
the grace about it being very, very messy and
like no one really knew how to handle that situation.
Whatever. I think that like looking at Chase,
who he is publicly now like in like in 2026 who
he's been very very honest about like i i love
my gay friends i love my trans friends like i'm
here for anyone who's marginalized like and i
did i'll be honest i didn't expect that of him
and um and i see his relationship or like yeah
he and miranda got divorced i think he is trying
to do right by Miranda and his kids today. And
I think that's really cool to see. Yeah. I do
love their videos and them being together as
a family. Like I do love that for them. But then
when he posts those like TikToks of like him
putting his arm around Miranda and then she's
just like, look, I'm just like. how many of these
videos do we have to see like it is a little
kitschy you're right yeah it's it's a it's it
feels like they found a theme that got like a
thousand likes and they leaned heavily into it
yeah yeah marie what were you gonna say a second
ago i'm sorry no i was just gonna say i wouldn't
even i wouldn't even know that stuff about him
because he annoyed me so much that like literally
if he shows up i'm just like swipe swipe yeah
like i don't even like I don't even like watch
anything he would say. So I would know nothing
about his current like viewpoints or how he,
you know, like I wouldn't even consume his like
material to know. So that's interesting because
I wouldn't have known that otherwise. It's funny
that you mentioned that because like, I think
the reason I did consume his viewpoints is exactly
why I. it's it's exactly what i said about him
when when we first met him on the show uh like
it was like oh he looks like a douchebag he looks
like he would treat me bad and i'm wildly into
that so i'll listen to anything he says and even
if i do hate him we'll see where it goes it's
okay i love it i love it so stupid like oh lord
We end this episode with Leanne and Taylor calling
the family friend and the family friend doesn't
remember a damn thing. And they call her Dory,
which I thought was funny. I know. I love that.
Yeah. The way that like. Couple things. The way
that like. she couldn't stick to a story right
like where it was like well i sent him like a
like a swimsuit pic i didn't think that was weird
and then taylor's because taylor is someone you
can't pull that with taylor's like i thought
you said this like taylor remembers yeah and
i was like gunned to my head you could not get
me to admit what that woman admitted on the phone
like i i don't you were dim now like i don't
get it yep yeah she just kept saying more and
more things and I was like yeah you could have
just stuck with the story and it might not have
even like made the show but the fact you keep
admitting more and more I don't know I also like
that's one of those things like because this
at this point Taylor and Dakota were trying to
work it out I think and I'm like if I were Dakota
I would have because I because I think it all
came out because he told Jordan right like Jordan
and Jordan ended up telling Yeah. I would have
taken it to my grave. Dakota is also someone
that is dim. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But, like,
also, I think it's funny that you guys love to
hate. taylor's mom because like i can't anytime
she comes on the screen i want nothing to do
with her like when she came back for season two
and she'd had work done and to look like taylor
i was like i i see this for exactly what it is
and you're jealous of your daughter and i don't
like it it makes me uncomfortable yeah yeah yeah
and that's why we like it because we like when
she shows up to stuff we're like oh there's leanne
like we always talk about her if she's there
there's leanne just inserts herself into so many
things that like if that was my mom I'd be like
what the hell are you doing I the only thing
she's inserted herself into where like I felt
like any good came out of it was I she showed
up to uh I think it's the next episode the Christmas
party or some at some point in the season the
Christmas party for yeah Christmas party and
I was like i feel like this is the one time that
i can see she is trying to defend her daughter
because like she has never done that in the past
right yep yeah but yeah but this it was i'll
be honest it was fun to go back and re -watch
these episodes because like i forgot like a just
how messy secret lives of mormon wives is and
be like I love to see the progression like because
it's a positive and negative thing because like
it's like oh you see like the real people come
out but it's also like you see how much like
some of the individuals are putting stuff on
for the show so like I think it's just really
interesting to see how all that shakes out yeah
yeah but yeah for sure I'm excited I can't wait
for the new one to come out i can't wait you
guys are more than welcome to come on to talk
about it with me and emma like for whatever you
want i think that is going to be a an incredible
season because i think what what secret lives
does very well is like if there's drama they're
gonna get it and i think you're getting the the
real like for the most part the real honest like
they're not putting on like things like you're
getting in salt lake city or like where you're
getting in orange county or beverly hills where
you know they're not fighting about what they're
actually fighting about I like this, though.
Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Cool. What closing thoughts
do you guys have, if any? I don't know. uh that's
you murray if i can't prepare for something nothing's
gonna come to the top of my head no i had fun
i mean i can't wait for the next season i can't
wait for everything to come out yeah i really
did i would love to meet emma i would like to
do this again you know if you're up for it i
had a good time hopefully i didn't talk i would
love to no i think this is fine like i i like
bringing other people on it's like i've we've
done this with husbands watching house but housewives
a few times and like i i love to get their perspective
because like i think they're just as into the
fandom as we are but like they they go hard for
different people and i like hearing other people's
perspectives i i i had a great time so thank
you guys for coming on this is really really
cool yes thanks for having us thank you thanks
for having us of course tell the people where
they can find you We are at Shaded Reality Pod
on everything. And we have new episodes every
Tuesday and Thursday. Love that. From Indy to
the rural areas of the, you said it's the Amish
people you live with, to Salt Lake City where
the Mormon wives are. We love you and thank you
for listening. Yeah, thank you for listening.
Yes. Thank you.