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Hi, I'm Travis and I'm Taylor and this is bestie

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approved. Hello. What's the last song you listened

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to? My last song was At the Beach in Every Life

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by Gigi Perez. I've been listening to my like

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replay 25 on Apple Music and her album was my

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top album of the year. And so I've been shuffling

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my replay playlist and she was the last one i

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listened to cute yeah she's great uh mine was

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happened or the steve aoki remix of happen to

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me by russell dickerson interesting do you know

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the song that's like don't know what happened

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last night don't know what happened last week

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she gonna hang on i know you've heard this song

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you think so it's been all over tiktok forever

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I'm almost positive that your TikTok is very

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different from my TikTok. OK. I believe that

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I've got something crazy going on on my TikTok

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that you may not relate to. Probably not. Right.

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That's OK. That is OK. I love it for you. What's

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on our list this week? We we had a list this

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week. We sure did. Here we go. I think first

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on the list is Fruity Pebbles. How do you feel

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about that? I. First of all, was so proud to

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go onto my Instagram and start watching everybody's

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stories and just seeing that happen in real time.

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But I was also confused because I had just finished

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season three where everybody made up. But I've

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got lots of things to say. I hate to be a pro

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Demi person, but. More power to her. I wish that

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my pee tasted like fruity pebbles. I'll tell

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you that. So here's the thing about that around

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like a talent. I don't care about the act like

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that is the last thing I care about. The thing

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I take issue with is did you see the story about

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like so Whitney Leavitt was on. I was the I don't

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think it was the vile files, but it was one a

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podcast like that where she was explaining. Like

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she said, can I tell this story? And Demi said

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yes. And then turned around and like. Like talked

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about how bad it hurt her. So like gaslit Whitney

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into like telling the story and then used it

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as a storyline against Whitney. Wait, that's

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the issue I have. I need you to. I'm confused

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about what you just said. So Whitney went on

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the podcast. So Whitney went on the podcast and

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explained that when they were filming season

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one of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, that

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this was apparently something they all knew about.

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And they like Whitney said, hey, can can I tell

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this story like it'll be funny, whatever. Like

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and that's where like the bag of fruity pebbles

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came from in season one. And then. uh dimmy was

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like it's so hurtful like whatever like i don't

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remember like the exact like parameters of the

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story but i do know that like witty thought it

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was like free game and dimmy led her to believe

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that because dimmy is a little demon monster

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right that being said i don't care about the

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act like i think the act like far be it for me

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to kink shame i think that's totally fine like

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if you're two consenting adults god bless more

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power to you yeah I do have a problem that Jesse

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went as far as to be so angry that she let all

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she aired all that out on Instagram. If that

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wasn't something that was well known, because

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I'll tell you, I didn't know what Fruity Pebbles

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was. Right. So I do. I am usually pro Jesse,

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but I'm like, that was a little bit messy that

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she went and did that. I get where you're coming

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from with that. Jesse can do absolutely no wrong

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in my eyes, though. Like, I feel like. Because

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the thing about Jesse right now is she is being

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attacked on a level that like is. Surpasses understanding.

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Yeah. And Demi has been at the forefront of that.

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Yes. So. I mean, that whole season three was

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crazy to follow. Right. And I loved every second

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of it. Yes. And I was really surprised when.

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Near the end of the season, they all kind of

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made up and stuff. But obviously it was either

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fake or short lived because now there's all this

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drama between Demi and Jesse again. And I just

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keep going back and forth on their stories. I

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think the problem that you have there is is Jesse

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is someone who I believe if she says she forgives

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someone, she's done is over. Right. I think Demi,

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however, is. She she is not matured emotionally

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whatsoever. So I think the issue she's running

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into is she says she forgives and then she can't

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get past it because it was the same thing with

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Taylor. It's the same thing with with Jen. It's

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the same thing with. I don't think she was ever

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fighting with Whitney, but I mean, it's the same

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thing with all of them where she cannot get out

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of her own way, which is not great. But for sure.

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Here we are. Yeah. Yeah. I. I again hate to be

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a pro Demi person, but I love that she's been

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joking about it on her story and just really

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riding that train. It's like if if I'm going

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to be made fun of for it, here's here's some

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more fuel to the fire. I will give her that.

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Like if you're she's having a fun time with it.

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Yeah. If it's going to be something that's out

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there, let it be out there. It is what it is.

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With that being said, I am still anti Demi and

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pro Jesse. Yes. Unless I unless there's things

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that I don't know. There's nothing you don't

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know. Right. I know too much. I think the problem

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with these girls, I was talking to someone about

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that. I was I was husband's watching Alice Wives

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yesterday. I I think the problem it's not the

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problem with these girls. Like, I think the true

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fact of the matter with these girls is what you

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see is what you get. Like, I don't believe Taylor

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Frankie Paul has a Hulu subscription. I believe

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like she does not edit who she is at all whatsoever.

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I believe like what we're seeing is is very real.

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The only two I wouldn't say that about are Demi

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and Whitney. Because I think we're getting everything

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with the rest of them. Yeah. Maybe Jen. But I

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think Jen has gotten better. I think Jen was

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just going through a really hard time. But yeah,

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the rest of them, I think we know everything.

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For sure. Yeah. That was a really fun thing.

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That really spiced up my week this week. I'm

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happy. I'm really happy. Have you seen how much

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50 Cent hates P. Diddy? I have. I saw that on

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the notes and I literally have no clue what you're

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talking about. I need you to unpack for me. 50

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Cent. You know who 50 Cent is? A rapper. Yes,

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a rapper. I don't listen to his stuff or ever

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have, but I know he's there. He had a lot out

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recently. He was super big when I was in like

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middle and high school. Right. And he. I don't

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know what the interaction was 10 years ago, but

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Diddy said something to 50 Cent 10 years ago

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that 50 Cent responded with, I will start collecting

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information about you now. Like and for 10 years,

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he was gathering information and he released

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a documentary on Netflix or I think it was Netflix.

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I'm pretty sure it was Netflix that about like

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there's like an unfiltered Like a previously

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unheard confession to something. There's a lot

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of information about the freak officers, like

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footage that no one's ever seen before. So there's

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a lot in there. And 50 Cent is doing interviews.

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Number one, he said, I will only do interviews

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with channels that are available in prison because

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I want Diddy to see this. Two, watching him.

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In these interviews is like watching a kid on

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Christmas where they I think the interviewer

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asked 50 Cent where he was like, what do you

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what do you think that he's going to say when

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he sees this? And he just is smiling from ear

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to ear. And he goes, I think he he's going to

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think it's the best or the best documentary he's

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ever seen. And it is it is so good because like

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50 Cent is someone who. I think a lot of parents

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growing like I mean, when I was growing up, like

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a lot of parents were like, I don't want my kid

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listening to 50 Cent. And like looking back on

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it. Yeah, it was his music was pretty explicit.

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Like it is what it is. But like it's like now

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he's doing the right thing. And like I'm like

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looking back on I'm like, I would let my kid

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listen to 50 Cent. Like now you're putting all

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your eggs in the 50 Cent basket. You're like,

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well, now we're going to listen to his whole

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when we were talking earlier about when we were

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doing the What's Your Last Song, you mentioned

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your Apple Music replay. So what's on your 2025

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replay? Well, how do we want to get down with

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this? Like our top artists, our top songs? However

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you want. Now, dear listener, please listen in

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on the fact that I have The same artist, singular

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artist ever since 2022, when I've actually followed

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my replay playlists and all that. I've always,

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always, always had Lizzie McAlpine in my top

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artist. I don't know who that is. She's perfect,

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beautiful, special and amazing. She was my. Top

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song, top artist, top album in 2022 and I think

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in 2024. And she is my top artist of 2025. Love,

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love, love, love. Although I would like to compare

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minutes with you because I feel like I do not

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like minutes in place because I feel like mine

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is very low compared to other people, even though

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I feel like I'm listening to music every day.

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So like go to your top artist. And tell me two

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things, who it is and how many minutes you listened

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to that artist. Kesha for 623 minutes. Oh, OK,

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fine. Because mine is obviously Lizzie McAlpine.

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OK. And I've listened to her for 1900 minutes.

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What? I thought that was low compared to other

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people. I thought it was really low. OK, so who's

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your number two? Is it like a significant drop

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in time? Um, not necessarily. No, it's Leve and

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she's 1600. OK, so mine's Diplo and it's 330

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and then Lady Gaga at 323. Kylie Minogue. My

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Apple music is basically calling me the F slur.

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Kylie Minogue at 277 minutes. Orville Peck at

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273. I love Orville Peck. I that Midnight Ride

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song. Are you kidding me? Incredible. Such a

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good song with him and Kylie Minogue. And his

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voice is just so young. And Diplo, by the way.

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He's like that song covers like. Three of my

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top five artists. Yeah. Well, what about look

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at your top song? How many plays do you have

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on your top song? It's Midnight Ride at 83 plays.

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OK, because mine is Savannah by Jensen McRae.

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And I have 64 plays of that, which I'm kind of

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surprised that it's that little. But I would

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have thought I had more. Midnight Red, because

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I listened to that song like 9000 times. Yeah.

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Attention is on there. Hot and Sexy by Zara Larson

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is on there. Kesha was my top artist four months

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in a row, though. That was really good. I believe

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that. I believe that. And I also love it. My

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even though I don't perceive my music to be very

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alternative, I'm not somebody that's like, oh,

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yeah, I listen to alternative. My top genre is

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alternative. A lot of the people that I have,

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I guess, are considered alternative, which honestly

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kind of makes me feel kind of cool. Kind of makes

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me feel kind of cool. You're such a cool girl.

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I was talking. I was doing Hudson's Watching

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Housewives yesterday. And Scott's top genre was

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bedroom pop. Have you ever heard of that? No.

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What is that? It's like pop that like is something

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that like sounds like it could have been created

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in someone's bedroom. I listen. I want to say,

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yeah, if he likes it, I love it. But I mean,

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that sounds like a really cool concept. And I

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and I love that that's his top genre. Yeah, I

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love that. I actually I think that's kind of

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cool. Did you do your YouTube replay from last

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year? I barely watched any YouTube, so I didn't

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even bother. But tell me about yours. Oh, let

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me pull it up here. Oh, while you pull it up,

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I will say I did get a comparison between my

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top song last year and my top song this year.

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And I think that it was really adorable because

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my song from last year, it was called. I have

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to think about it for a second. So cut out all

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this thinking. I can't even think of it. So my

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top song last year was from Lizzie McAlpine.

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And it was basically a song about having such

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a hard time leaving a relationship that is so

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terrible and so toxic and so traumatic. And but,

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you know, you have to do it. You don't know how

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to do it. And this year's song is Savannah by

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Jensen McRae, which is basically like you were.

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a monster and I hate you and I have such a beautiful

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life now and I'm moving on and I'm having everything

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I want. And I think that that's such a beautiful

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comparison, especially considering the way my

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life has been the past couple of years and like

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leaving my previous relationship and being in

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this new one. And I have. Not just in this relationship,

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but being home and having all my friends and

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all my family, like I truly and sincerely have

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everything I could ever want and need. And I

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think that that's really cool to have seen that

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transition and that progress through my top songs.

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That's beautiful, isn't it? So I went back to

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2024 in my my Apple Music replay before we get

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into my YouTube replay. Yeah. I listened to Beyonce

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for two thousand one hundred seventy two minutes

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in twenty twenty four. So maybe like my like

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what I thought was like a lot of skewed because

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I thought like ten hours of Kesha feels like

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a lot. But really, it doesn't feel like that

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much now. Yeah, for sure. Apparently, I listened

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to heated one hundred and thirteen times in twenty

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twenty four. And and I wish you listened to it

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more. I probably should have. Well, I was talking

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to my sister about her Apple replay yesterday.

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Her her listening to her top artist, it was Tate

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McRae. She's obsessed with Tate McRae. Of course

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she is. It was literally like four times more

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than my minutes. Why? Of my top artist. And I'm

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like, do you just do you just have headphones

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on 24 seven and are just listening? And she's

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just like, I just listen when I want. And I'm

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like. Is it 24 seven? I mean, it's it's a crit.

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So that's why I thought I had a very low amount

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of listening to my top things. I don't know.

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Do you know who else listens so much as your

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mother to music? Because so like I pay for all

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of our Apple music because we're all in the same

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Apple family. And. Emma is also on our Apple

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family, but she listens to Spotify. I don't know

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why, but God bless, she's allowed to. She can

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make whatever decision she wants. She can do

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no wrong. I just assumed that I was really the

00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:09.539
only person that used Apple Music in our family.

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I was just paying for it. For yourself. I'm pretty

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sure it's the same price, whether it's me or

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whether it's everyone, because it's a shared

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subscription. um, Tanya calls me cause she gets

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a new phone and she's like, Hey, I don't, I don't

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know my Apple account password. And like, which

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is problematic. Cause it's like, that's whatever.

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That's either here or there. But she's like,

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I don't know what to do with that. My Apple music.

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And she's like, I'm leaving for Florida. I don't

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know. Yeah. It's just like having a full blown

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meltdown. And I was like, I'm so glad that people

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are getting used to it. Oh, for sure. And and

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I only use I don't know how you feel about Spotify

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versus Apple, but I am pro Apple. Like Spotify

00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:54.960
confuses me. Can I be so real with you? Spotify

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to me. If I it it feels like a college student

00:18:02.940 --> 00:18:06.019
thing versus Apple music feels like. grown up

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and more refined and i know fundamentally it's

00:18:07.900 --> 00:18:10.539
exactly this i think it's the color scheme like

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i think that's what it is for me because like

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the apps um the apps are i mean they're the the

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search functions are different and that's fine

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and like the um the like the back end of like

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how the music artists are paid is is pretty similar

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but like i i i don't i don't I don't think one's

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better than the other. I think it's just I just

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I feel like Spotify feels like it's for high

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schoolers and college students. Yeah, I feel

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like it's all down to preference. And in some

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people, what I get confused about when it comes

00:18:46.769 --> 00:18:52.009
to Spotify is when I want to look up a song or

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look up an artist, I don't and I don't know if

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this has to do with a free version versus a paid

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version. But when I look up a specific song or

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a specific artist, it wants to give me things

00:19:01.329 --> 00:19:03.980
similar to it. Immediately. And I'm like, no,

00:19:04.099 --> 00:19:06.220
I want to listen to this song by this artist.

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Spotify has put a lot into the algorithm building,

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whereas Apple Music, I think, connects you to

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exactly what you want faster and builds off of

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what other people have listened to after that.

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Yes, because what I like about Apple is I'll

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find exactly what I'm looking for much faster,

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like you said. And if I want to go to like the.

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Just like the home page and go through some of

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the playlists that it gives me. I trust the algorithm

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of the playlists that they're creating for me.

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I I listen to a lot of those playlists that Apple

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curates for me. But Spotify just dear listener,

00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:50.380
you know where I stand when it comes to Apple

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versus Spotify. And you can beat me in the comments

00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:55.839
about it. I don't care. But you said you don't

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watch YouTube. I. Do watch YouTube, but I've

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watched a lot, a lot, a lot less throughout the

00:20:04.049 --> 00:20:07.369
past like five years. And I only have a very

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I probably only subscribe to 20 different creators

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and I watch them whenever I want to. And sometimes

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that's like during lunch at school. And otherwise,

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it's very few and far between. So you tell me

00:20:23.490 --> 00:20:27.269
about your YouTube. I watched 719. So first of

00:20:27.269 --> 00:20:30.430
all, I didn't know that YouTube did a recap.

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I think this is like a new thing for them. But

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I watched 719 channels this year. My number one

00:20:37.230 --> 00:20:41.029
channel was Sexy Unique Podcast. So Carrie and

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Laura, if you're listening, love you. I'm in

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the top 1 % of your viewers. I watched 175 of

00:20:46.789 --> 00:20:50.339
your videos this year. That's incredible. Have

00:20:50.339 --> 00:20:53.140
you listened to sexy podcast? No. I love them

00:20:53.140 --> 00:20:56.019
so much. I believe it. Like I base a lot of my

00:20:56.019 --> 00:20:58.339
personality on them. I think Laura and Gary are

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probably two of the funniest people on God's

00:21:00.019 --> 00:21:05.980
green earth. And then a fun fact for because

00:21:05.980 --> 00:21:08.420
they like break it up into like early 2025. You

00:21:08.420 --> 00:21:11.359
did this mid 2025. You learned about this late

00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:15.460
2025. I learned about podcasting. You don't say.

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I hope I learned something to your list. How

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do you how do you look it up? Because I think

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you just go to your on YouTube, go to like your

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profile. And I like it for it showed up like

00:21:28.420 --> 00:21:30.460
at the very top for me. But now it's gone because

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I think I've looked at it. I don't think it wants

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to show anything for me, which is kind of sad

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because I would be willing to because I have

00:21:40.859 --> 00:21:46.180
watched some stuff. But anyways. Well, I love.

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That you're learning about podcasting. Love.

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Thank God you do. Or else this would be a little

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difficult. Probably. Are we complaining? Yeah.

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What are you complaining about today? I even

00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:02.819
have a new thing that's not on the list. Tell

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me. So I, my boyfriend and I have been doing

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a lot of selling on Facebook Marketplace. First

00:22:12.099 --> 00:22:16.099
problem. Okay. Second of all, second problem

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is I have a huge bone to pick with the people

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that want to converse with us and then just stop

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the conversation. And I'll let me actually tell

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you a specific. So last I would say this past

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Tuesday, I was talking to a woman. We'll call

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her Judy. Judy. We were talking to Judy and Judy

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wants some of my beaded bracelets so bad. I have

00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:49.079
real like gemstone beaded bracelets. I have like

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eight of them. Judy wants them for her granddaughter

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so bad, but she lives in Greenfield. So she was

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like, is there any way you can ship them to me?

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And I'm like, oh, like, I'm sure it's easy to

00:23:00.099 --> 00:23:01.599
figure out, but I don't want to do shipping.

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Like, I just want to like pick up or meet up

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or whatever. So I was like, well, how do you

00:23:06.490 --> 00:23:09.369
feel about maybe meeting me in Fairland or close

00:23:09.369 --> 00:23:11.130
to Fairland? Because I visit my granny and papa

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sometimes. And she's like, yeah, let's absolutely

00:23:14.829 --> 00:23:19.690
do that. Let's meet off of this exit at five

00:23:19.690 --> 00:23:22.529
o 'clock. And I'm like, perfect. I'll do that.

00:23:22.930 --> 00:23:25.869
That was for today. Today, as we are recording,

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I was supposed to meet Judy at five o 'clock.

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What I do is I confirm the morning of. I say,

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hey. Just wanted to confirm and see if five o

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'clock still works for you today, Judy. I got

00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:40.279
my bracelets for you, baby. I send her that nine

00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:43.420
o 'clock. No answer. I wait until about three

00:23:43.420 --> 00:23:48.339
o 'clock and I'm like, hey, I really want to

00:23:48.339 --> 00:23:52.460
confirm the plans before committing to them.

00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:55.799
So please let me know when you can, if you're

00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:59.779
still interested. And to this moment, I still

00:23:59.779 --> 00:24:01.619
don't have a response from Judy. So imagine if

00:24:01.619 --> 00:24:05.319
I had just not confirmed and I just thought in

00:24:05.319 --> 00:24:07.500
my head, well, Judy said five o 'clock today.

00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:10.740
And then I went to this exit on this at this

00:24:10.740 --> 00:24:14.420
gas station and I waited for 10, 20, 30 minutes

00:24:14.420 --> 00:24:18.140
waiting for Judy to show up. And I think that's

00:24:18.140 --> 00:24:21.059
like we're all adults. Just if you're not going

00:24:21.059 --> 00:24:25.640
to meet me. If you're not going to meet me, tell

00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:28.299
me you changed your mind. I'm not going to be

00:24:28.299 --> 00:24:30.779
heard about it. But what I am heard about is

00:24:30.779 --> 00:24:35.519
if I go to meet you at a place in a at a location

00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:38.339
at a certain time and you don't show up, that's

00:24:38.339 --> 00:24:41.400
going to make me mad. And thankfully, I'm the

00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:42.539
kind of person that's like, well, if you're not

00:24:42.539 --> 00:24:45.099
confirming with me, I'm not going. So I didn't.

00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:51.049
From my understanding. So I've sold. I've either

00:24:51.049 --> 00:24:53.589
sold or given something away on Facebook Marketplace

00:24:53.589 --> 00:24:55.670
like one time when I was moving out of Solana.

00:24:55.789 --> 00:24:58.130
And I don't remember if I sold it or gave it

00:24:58.130 --> 00:25:03.329
away because it's been years. But that, as far

00:25:03.329 --> 00:25:05.269
as I'm concerned, was a lovely transaction. It

00:25:05.269 --> 00:25:07.369
was like this Ikea like bookshelf thing that

00:25:07.369 --> 00:25:09.430
I was like, I don't feel like moving this. Like,

00:25:09.430 --> 00:25:11.349
it's fine, whatever. And then I think I ended

00:25:11.349 --> 00:25:12.849
up just like giving it to the guy when he like

00:25:12.849 --> 00:25:14.509
tried to pay me. And I was like, please just

00:25:14.509 --> 00:25:20.920
take it. But apparently my. scenario is very

00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:23.240
unique and that there were no issues and everyone

00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:26.019
was lovely and like there wasn't like something

00:25:26.019 --> 00:25:29.579
strange going on i like because from my understanding

00:25:29.579 --> 00:25:32.799
facebook marketplace is like the third circle

00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:37.079
of hell it feels like it i'm sorry like it sounds

00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:41.440
so miserable and awful it's so well i think that

00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:44.299
what makes it so miserable and awful is nobody

00:25:44.299 --> 00:25:48.250
knows how to act Nobody knows how to treat each

00:25:48.250 --> 00:25:50.309
other. It's the same problem with like customer

00:25:50.309 --> 00:25:53.750
service these days where like the customers are

00:25:53.750 --> 00:25:56.630
awful. The people are awful. The people selling

00:25:56.630 --> 00:26:01.730
are awful. And I just think it's crazy because

00:26:01.730 --> 00:26:03.529
if we have to use this technology to communicate

00:26:03.529 --> 00:26:06.990
back and forth and if you want an item from me,

00:26:07.049 --> 00:26:10.869
I would expect a response. And if it's just like

00:26:10.869 --> 00:26:13.539
a. Hey, is this still available? And I say, yes,

00:26:13.539 --> 00:26:15.279
are you interested? And then you never respond

00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:16.980
to me again. That's not going to hurt my feelings.

00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:20.420
But like if we commit to a date and a time and

00:26:20.420 --> 00:26:23.039
I put you in my calendar and I put you in my

00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:27.940
planner and I'm expecting to shift my day around

00:26:27.940 --> 00:26:31.579
making sure that I'm at a mire in this town at

00:26:31.579 --> 00:26:34.220
this time, the least that you can do if you're

00:26:34.220 --> 00:26:36.299
not interested and be like, hey, just wanted

00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:37.799
to let you know, I'm not going to be buying this.

00:26:37.859 --> 00:26:41.829
It's so annoying. It is. I mean, I mean, First

00:26:41.829 --> 00:26:44.730
world problems, whatever. But it's still annoying,

00:26:44.910 --> 00:26:46.309
though. It's still valid that it's annoying.

00:26:46.890 --> 00:26:50.769
It is. And it's yeah. So that's one thing that

00:26:50.769 --> 00:26:53.670
I have to complain about. So you give me something

00:26:53.670 --> 00:26:57.390
to complain about. I am going to complain about

00:26:57.390 --> 00:27:01.680
the constant. tiktok ads that pop up for this

00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:05.700
one very like this is a trend with like new apps

00:27:05.700 --> 00:27:07.920
now that are only out there to steal your data

00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:10.180
but there is one in particular that's like it's

00:27:10.180 --> 00:27:12.819
called like truth seek or seek truth or something

00:27:12.819 --> 00:27:16.099
like that where it's like a girl in her car crying

00:27:16.099 --> 00:27:20.450
and this is every single video that is is advertising

00:27:20.450 --> 00:27:23.950
this out and it's like i i looked up his name

00:27:23.950 --> 00:27:26.769
and i found everything i didn't want to know

00:27:26.769 --> 00:27:29.630
and like i've blocked every single one of these

00:27:29.630 --> 00:27:31.390
accounts because they're i'm like it's there

00:27:31.390 --> 00:27:33.849
are like 9 000 of them i've blocked every single

00:27:33.849 --> 00:27:37.230
one of them and it just keeps coming up and like

00:27:37.230 --> 00:27:38.450
i've gotten to the point where like i've started

00:27:38.450 --> 00:27:40.250
reporting every one of these ads because i'm

00:27:40.250 --> 00:27:45.269
like at some point like i understand that like

00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:48.960
these it's this it's the same thing with meta

00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:50.700
it's the same thing with instagram it's the same

00:27:50.700 --> 00:27:55.019
thing with uh twitter where if you're using the

00:27:55.019 --> 00:27:57.140
free version of twitter where you're not paying

00:27:57.140 --> 00:27:59.440
for the premium version if you're using instagram

00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:02.799
on any level if you're using tiktok it is harvesting

00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:07.900
your data and i understand that you're that's

00:28:07.900 --> 00:28:10.140
part of the game like i i get that and like i

00:28:10.589 --> 00:28:12.930
The ethics behind that, that's that's a conversation

00:28:12.930 --> 00:28:14.789
for another day. But like this truth seek thing,

00:28:14.869 --> 00:28:17.509
I feel like is a little more predatory because

00:28:17.509 --> 00:28:23.470
it's it's. It's like preying on the insecurities

00:28:23.470 --> 00:28:25.309
that people have in relationships. And it's like,

00:28:25.349 --> 00:28:26.509
well, what am I going to find out there? And

00:28:26.509 --> 00:28:28.069
you're not going to find anything like I want

00:28:28.069 --> 00:28:30.690
to I want to start here. You will not find anything

00:28:30.690 --> 00:28:33.730
because it's all behind. I'm assuming a paywall,

00:28:33.809 --> 00:28:36.089
just like all of these websites are where you

00:28:36.089 --> 00:28:37.630
type in a name and it's like I'm going to give

00:28:37.630 --> 00:28:41.000
you like. The first and last name, this person

00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:44.579
might be 27 years old. This person might live

00:28:44.579 --> 00:28:46.660
like in the zip code. Do you want to know more?

00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:49.539
Pay for this. And then they get you on a subscription.

00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:51.779
You keep paying, paying, paying, paying. I have

00:28:51.779 --> 00:28:54.700
to tell you, I think that's so predatory and

00:28:54.700 --> 00:28:57.380
gross. But like the the back end of it is it's

00:28:57.380 --> 00:29:00.420
all harvesting your data. And I don't like I

00:29:00.420 --> 00:29:04.380
just keep blocking them. Yeah, I have a similar

00:29:04.380 --> 00:29:09.220
problem right now, but it's. Now, my problem

00:29:09.220 --> 00:29:13.339
is with TikTok shop because the constant ads

00:29:13.339 --> 00:29:15.359
that I'm getting. Well, I don't even know if

00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:17.680
they're ads at this point, but it's content creators

00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:21.500
advertising specific products that you can buy

00:29:21.500 --> 00:29:27.140
on TikTok shop. And I had the displeasure of

00:29:27.140 --> 00:29:31.960
having a momentary lapse of judgment when I saw

00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:35.640
this automatic screwdriver thing where it's like

00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:38.680
a screwdriver. I forget. I don't know what it's

00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:39.980
called. I know exactly what you're talking about.

00:29:39.980 --> 00:29:43.160
I bought one. I bought it on Amazon, but go ahead.

00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:45.440
I was like, OK, I genuinely want that because

00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:48.420
with all this selling on Facebook marketplace,

00:29:48.700 --> 00:29:50.599
Todd and I have also been like replacing things

00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:52.619
that we sell with better things. And we had to

00:29:52.619 --> 00:29:56.119
build up. coffee table recently and my god i

00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:58.420
could not twist anything for the life of me it

00:29:58.420 --> 00:30:00.220
was so difficult i don't know if it was my nails

00:30:00.220 --> 00:30:03.559
or just like the tiny little like l -shaped thing

00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:05.519
that they always give you it's just too difficult

00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:07.619
it's called an allen wrench go ahead an ellen

00:30:07.619 --> 00:30:12.140
wrench allen allen wrench thank you um it was

00:30:12.140 --> 00:30:13.960
so difficult and i was like oh i would do anything

00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:17.640
for like an actual like drill or like that's

00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:19.819
exactly why i bought mine go ahead exactly so

00:30:19.819 --> 00:30:22.359
i was like i wonder how much that cost i did

00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:25.079
go to the tiktok shop link i clicked on it i

00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:27.160
saw that i saw the price i'm like maybe someday

00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:35.160
when i tell you i had eight videos in a row eight

00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:37.140
videos in a row one two three four five six seven

00:30:37.140 --> 00:30:41.609
eight of that ad with the screwdriver and a couple

00:30:41.609 --> 00:30:43.470
of them were different like different creators

00:30:43.470 --> 00:30:45.690
advertising it whatever i don't know i don't

00:30:45.690 --> 00:30:48.809
care i had it eight times in a row and i've had

00:30:48.809 --> 00:30:51.549
it every single time i've opened tiktok since

00:30:51.549 --> 00:30:56.089
then i get the same thing for there it's uh two

00:30:56.089 --> 00:30:58.190
things that i that i constantly get it for one

00:30:58.190 --> 00:30:59.990
because i've purchased it on the tiktok shop

00:30:59.990 --> 00:31:02.690
the bradley thorne candle or the thorne bradley

00:31:02.690 --> 00:31:04.130
you know who that is the guy that's always chopping

00:31:04.130 --> 00:31:06.940
wood No, but I love the idea of that. He's so

00:31:06.940 --> 00:31:08.839
hot. He's so beautiful. I love him. Thorne Bradley,

00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:12.700
if you're listening, love you. I bought his candle

00:31:12.700 --> 00:31:15.640
and now all I get are like creators like advertising

00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:17.940
his candle. The other one is like this company

00:31:17.940 --> 00:31:20.400
called called Real Men's Apparel, where like

00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:24.660
it's underwear, like in the way they advertise

00:31:24.660 --> 00:31:28.019
it is very strange to me. But like, I'm glad

00:31:28.019 --> 00:31:34.619
we've moved away from this trend of like. They'll

00:31:34.619 --> 00:31:36.799
get on there like someone is definitely getting

00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:40.299
fired from this company because this deal is

00:31:40.299 --> 00:31:42.380
not supposed to be like whatever. Like, I'm so

00:31:42.380 --> 00:31:43.900
tired of hearing that. So, look, I'm glad we've

00:31:43.900 --> 00:31:46.140
gotten away from that. But like, I think this

00:31:46.140 --> 00:31:48.400
speaks to a larger problem that we're seeing

00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:53.759
on TikTok of like. I think the creator fund has

00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:55.819
like dried up a little bit. So like this is where

00:31:55.819 --> 00:31:59.700
a lot of creators are like finding revenue is

00:31:59.700 --> 00:32:02.839
because they can't. get it anywhere else I I

00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:04.900
don't know and I don't know that I care because

00:32:04.900 --> 00:32:06.980
like get your bag whatever but like it does get

00:32:06.980 --> 00:32:09.539
exhausting when you're like it is pushed to you

00:32:09.539 --> 00:32:13.920
constantly now I've only bought I think two things

00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:17.400
on TikTok shop before and that was years after

00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:21.039
it even became a thing because I knew from the

00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:23.599
moment that TikTok shop became a thing that I

00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.539
was gonna hate it that I hated all of the ads

00:32:26.539 --> 00:32:29.240
from TikTok shop and I'm telling you if there

00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:32.339
was If there was a way that I could pay for a

00:32:32.339 --> 00:32:34.579
premium subscription of TikTok where I never

00:32:34.579 --> 00:32:39.440
receive a TikTok shop ad again or some way that

00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:42.720
I never even have the TikTok shop option, I would

00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:46.980
pay any dollar amount for it. So you say that,

00:32:47.099 --> 00:32:49.220
but like the issue you run into is like it's

00:32:49.220 --> 00:32:51.720
the Netflix model issue that you're running into

00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:57.690
where Netflix had for the longest time. if they

00:32:57.690 --> 00:32:59.250
didn't have a free version they had a version

00:32:59.250 --> 00:33:01.609
that was like dirt cheap and then you had a premium

00:33:01.609 --> 00:33:03.369
version and then you had like a premium plus

00:33:03.369 --> 00:33:05.789
version like whatever that iteration is and like

00:33:05.789 --> 00:33:09.349
they are not making enough money on the premium

00:33:09.349 --> 00:33:13.099
models to like support like the loss in ad revenue

00:33:13.099 --> 00:33:15.319
from the lower end model. So they keep raising

00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:17.799
the price of Netflix. And like I'm I'm going

00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:19.859
to tell you right now, that is the first thing

00:33:19.859 --> 00:33:22.240
that will happen to TikTok is like the price

00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:24.259
will keep increasing because like they're the

00:33:24.259 --> 00:33:28.900
the ad revenue that comes into TikTok is astonishing.

00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:32.480
Like I believe it's and it's it's the same thing

00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:36.180
with like third party affiliates is where the

00:33:36.180 --> 00:33:39.220
views are enough to like support it and like.

00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:44.500
Because it's the same thing with with like YouTube

00:33:44.500 --> 00:33:46.299
or whatever, where like I pay for the premium

00:33:46.299 --> 00:33:49.180
version of YouTube for all of us. And if like

00:33:49.180 --> 00:33:51.799
I don't get ads because like I cannot handle

00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:54.940
the constant ads. But what Google has done very

00:33:54.940 --> 00:33:58.460
well is like they have not pushed the premium

00:33:58.460 --> 00:34:01.680
version so far, like so far to like compensate

00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:05.579
for the the loss in ad revenue. But on the Bestie

00:34:05.579 --> 00:34:07.920
approved YouTube, where I don't realize I'm logged

00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:10.469
into the Bestie approved one. The number of ads

00:34:10.469 --> 00:34:13.429
that I see pop up on there is so exhausting because

00:34:13.429 --> 00:34:15.889
it's I mean, it's like every 30 seconds. Yeah.

00:34:15.989 --> 00:34:18.809
So I don't know what the answer is, but like

00:34:18.809 --> 00:34:21.329
I do know that like and you I think you put this

00:34:21.329 --> 00:34:24.269
in your complaint, like we've gotten so far into

00:34:24.269 --> 00:34:30.449
consumerism and capitalism that. It's like we

00:34:30.449 --> 00:34:33.829
can't find our way out. Uh huh. I need to find

00:34:33.829 --> 00:34:39.269
a way out because I'm also in this kind of. This

00:34:39.269 --> 00:34:42.210
space in my life where I'm trying to prioritize

00:34:42.210 --> 00:34:48.610
quality things over like a cheap priced thing.

00:34:48.829 --> 00:34:53.030
I like I'm trying to make sure that I don't wear

00:34:53.030 --> 00:34:55.670
any polyester anymore. I don't want to wear polyester.

00:34:55.949 --> 00:34:59.190
It's not good. It's itchy. It's bad. It's whatever.

00:34:59.329 --> 00:35:01.250
It's terrible for the environment. It's terrible

00:35:01.250 --> 00:35:06.099
for the environment. So I'm trying to make. make

00:35:06.099 --> 00:35:08.559
room for things that are better material better

00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:13.619
quality and all these things and I that also

00:35:13.619 --> 00:35:18.760
leads into we have so much what is it called

00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:21.320
fast fashion oh Emma and I have talked about

00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:25.260
this like the first of all fast fashion is one

00:35:25.260 --> 00:35:27.179
of the worst things that ever happened to the

00:35:27.179 --> 00:35:29.599
environment but like also on the other side of

00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:30.760
that one of the worst things that could have

00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:33.099
happened to the fashion industry in general because

00:35:33.099 --> 00:35:39.610
like it's Like on one hand, it does make fashion

00:35:39.610 --> 00:35:44.030
more accessible. I will I will give I will give

00:35:44.030 --> 00:35:46.110
the concept that but like that's all I can give

00:35:46.110 --> 00:35:50.409
it is because I mean, like if you look at like

00:35:50.409 --> 00:35:52.869
some of these like garbage islands that are out

00:35:52.869 --> 00:35:54.590
like floating in the middle of the ocean, a lot

00:35:54.590 --> 00:35:56.969
of it is like clothes that were just never worn.

00:35:57.329 --> 00:36:01.150
It's that bad. Yeah, it's it's just like like

00:36:01.150 --> 00:36:03.530
what you were talking about. Like we've gone.

00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:06.820
way too far and how are we supposed to get out

00:36:06.820 --> 00:36:09.980
of it like there's a million ads how am i supposed

00:36:09.980 --> 00:36:13.719
to escape it there's so much to buy and so much

00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:16.880
influence and and obviously like i'm a victim

00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:20.880
of it i get influenced all the time but i and

00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:23.639
there's just no solution to the problem i think

00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:25.159
there is a solution because you've seen what's

00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:28.219
going on with um oh what is this girl's name

00:36:28.219 --> 00:36:43.500
hang on it's like lily something Hang on. Jaclyn

00:36:43.500 --> 00:36:45.340
Hill. Have you seen what's going on with Jaclyn

00:36:45.340 --> 00:36:47.699
Hill right now on TikTok? I think I saw something

00:36:47.699 --> 00:36:51.099
recently. I saw one video where apparently her

00:36:51.099 --> 00:36:53.960
fans say that she's out of touch. Yes. OK, so

00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:56.880
the issue is, is like so she gets on and I mean,

00:36:56.900 --> 00:37:01.300
all of her content is. consumerism like and if

00:37:01.300 --> 00:37:03.639
that's if that's your thing great like I because

00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:06.420
I'm gonna be honest I'm probably one of the worst

00:37:06.420 --> 00:37:08.159
people about it like when it comes to shopping

00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:11.760
like and it's like your mom's bad about it our

00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:14.159
granny's bad about it our aunt Tina's really

00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:16.340
bad about like this is just how we're wired and

00:37:16.340 --> 00:37:22.159
like Bailey's probably she's gotten much better

00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:24.019
about it than like we have but like I think we

00:37:24.019 --> 00:37:28.599
all have to some degree um Like the consumerism

00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:32.000
bug, right? Yeah. And that is what it is. And

00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:34.300
I personally do need to get better about that,

00:37:34.340 --> 00:37:37.400
too. But what the issue with Jaclyn Hill is,

00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:39.159
is like that's all her content is. It's like,

00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:41.840
look at my multimillion dollar house in Los Angeles.

00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:48.119
Look at this handbag that is as much as someone's

00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:50.739
salary in a year, for instance. Look at look

00:37:50.739 --> 00:37:53.719
at this 20 person dining table that I have with

00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:55.820
like custom wine bottles for everyone. And like

00:37:55.820 --> 00:37:58.510
it's. It's gotten to the point where I think

00:37:58.510 --> 00:38:00.210
she has like four million followers on TikTok

00:38:00.210 --> 00:38:03.630
and one of her recent videos got like 30 ,000

00:38:03.630 --> 00:38:07.349
views. And she says, well, what am I doing wrong?

00:38:07.429 --> 00:38:09.389
What am I doing wrong? And like they're saying,

00:38:09.570 --> 00:38:12.909
I can't afford groceries right now. Like this

00:38:12.909 --> 00:38:14.889
is this is a big part of the problem. Right.

00:38:15.230 --> 00:38:17.769
And like instead of saying, hey, I'm hearing

00:38:17.769 --> 00:38:19.730
you, I'm listening, which to be fair to her,

00:38:19.750 --> 00:38:21.449
I think she made a video a couple of days later

00:38:21.449 --> 00:38:23.849
saying, hey, I want to listen like I'm in a.

00:38:24.030 --> 00:38:25.829
better place to listen now but like in the beginning

00:38:25.829 --> 00:38:29.989
it was I'm that's not the problem the problem

00:38:29.989 --> 00:38:32.489
I do giveaways I talk about dupes all the time

00:38:32.489 --> 00:38:35.309
and I'm like babe like you gotta like if the

00:38:35.309 --> 00:38:36.769
call is coming from inside the house you gotta

00:38:36.769 --> 00:38:40.369
listen do you know so I think you're what you're

00:38:40.369 --> 00:38:42.989
what we're getting at here though is like you

00:38:42.989 --> 00:38:45.769
have to be mindful about like this this idea

00:38:45.769 --> 00:38:47.630
of consumerism because like what you're saying

00:38:47.630 --> 00:38:51.150
is is absolutely true like there has to be quality

00:38:51.150 --> 00:38:55.599
over like over cheap quantity but like it doesn't

00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:57.800
have to be expensive and it doesn't have to be

00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:02.300
um it doesn't have to be a louis vuitton duffel

00:39:02.300 --> 00:39:04.739
bag it like it can be like a really good underarm

00:39:04.739 --> 00:39:07.500
like you see what i'm saying it's like it doesn't

00:39:07.500 --> 00:39:09.000
all have to be like the brands brands brands

00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:11.480
brands brands that's i think the issue for sure

00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:18.219
i i wish that there was something clear and transparent

00:39:19.179 --> 00:39:22.280
worth of a solution to this kind of thing. And

00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:26.199
I think there's just so many variables to it

00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:29.119
that it just gets all muddled. And then, I mean,

00:39:29.139 --> 00:39:32.280
the whole consumerism concept is so overwhelming

00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:35.280
anyways. And so, you know what my solution is

00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:39.659
actually? My solution is throw my phone out into

00:39:39.659 --> 00:39:44.139
the ocean. Okay. That's step one. Step two is,

00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:48.340
um, Erasing any evidence that I was ever here

00:39:48.340 --> 00:39:51.000
on this earth. That's step two. Step three is

00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:57.219
build a cottage in the woods and garden for my

00:39:57.219 --> 00:40:01.920
food and my resources. And just live in the woods.

00:40:02.619 --> 00:40:05.239
Live in the woods and garden and frolic. That's

00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:07.360
a very ethereal idea that I think you could pull

00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:09.860
off that I know I couldn't. Sure. Do you know

00:40:09.860 --> 00:40:13.199
what I do believe, though? Yes, what? What would

00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:15.960
be fun for like two weeks is to like and I like

00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:18.139
this all obviously revolves around meeting a

00:40:18.139 --> 00:40:20.539
guy that I'd want to do this with. But like living

00:40:20.539 --> 00:40:23.179
in a van for like two weeks or like an RV and

00:40:23.179 --> 00:40:24.880
like we're just driving across the country and

00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:28.619
like we like stop at a at like not the Grand

00:40:28.619 --> 00:40:31.099
Canyon because like that place like it makes

00:40:31.099 --> 00:40:33.460
me feel uncomfortable. But like like a mountain

00:40:33.460 --> 00:40:35.619
or a beach or something and we go and like it's

00:40:35.619 --> 00:40:38.340
cool. But two weeks is like my max limit on that.

00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:45.269
I. I agree. I think that's a lot. I think that

00:40:45.269 --> 00:40:48.349
as long as it's a generally OK RV, that that

00:40:48.349 --> 00:40:51.510
is something very doable. I'm really excited

00:40:51.510 --> 00:40:54.130
for this year. Todd and I have started planning

00:40:54.130 --> 00:40:56.650
on little trips like we did a lot of trips this

00:40:56.650 --> 00:40:59.510
year. And I'm like, well, we need to downsize

00:40:59.510 --> 00:41:01.809
the amount of trips a little bit, but. Still

00:41:01.809 --> 00:41:04.329
have fun. We're going to start doing little things

00:41:04.329 --> 00:41:07.730
out west, like go to Colorado. I think that would

00:41:07.730 --> 00:41:11.809
be so fun. I know. I would love to do more of

00:41:11.809 --> 00:41:14.550
that out west. I've never done that. And I would

00:41:14.550 --> 00:41:17.289
also like to go. We're going to go to Oregon

00:41:17.289 --> 00:41:20.789
at some point because we have a teacher from

00:41:20.789 --> 00:41:22.329
high school that we're still really close to.

00:41:22.369 --> 00:41:24.809
And he's specifically very close to. And we're

00:41:24.809 --> 00:41:26.670
going to go visit her and her family out there.

00:41:27.829 --> 00:41:30.800
I would love to go to Maine. I would love to

00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:34.219
do that. Maine is east. It is. Yes. Okay. I am

00:41:34.219 --> 00:41:37.079
switching gears. Don't worry. I am switching

00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:40.559
gears. That was a rough transition. I would love

00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:42.219
to go to Maine. Do you know who else is obsessed

00:41:42.219 --> 00:41:45.079
with Maine? Who? Amy, my stepmom. Really? Yeah.

00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:47.500
It's like she loves lighthouses and like it's

00:41:47.500 --> 00:41:50.079
like a whole thing for her. That's really endearing.

00:41:50.300 --> 00:41:52.860
Yeah. That's a sweet thing. Yeah. That would

00:41:52.860 --> 00:41:55.139
be really cool. We're going to do a bunch of

00:41:55.139 --> 00:41:58.980
other stuff too, but it's going to be. a little

00:41:58.980 --> 00:42:00.920
bit less i'm we're going to hawaii in a couple

00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:04.360
weeks i'm so excited i'm so excited i just have

00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:06.039
no clue what i'm gonna wear because i've never

00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:07.760
been to hawaii and i don't know what the weather's

00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:10.300
gonna be but it'll be really nice i've never

00:42:10.300 --> 00:42:12.079
been and it's gonna be so sweet you'll have fun

00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:14.539
yeah i'm gonna try to be extremely respectful

00:42:14.539 --> 00:42:16.719
about it because i don't want to be like that

00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:20.400
stereotypical tourist that doesn't like respect

00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:22.739
the land. And that is just kind of a nuisance.

00:42:22.980 --> 00:42:25.159
I want to be the opposite of that if it's possible.

00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:28.320
I want to learn so much. I want to appreciate

00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:30.179
so much. I want to see all the beautiful things

00:42:30.179 --> 00:42:33.579
and appreciate it and disrespect absolutely nobody.

00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:43.260
Good. I love that. Yeah. Your holidays might

00:42:43.260 --> 00:42:46.380
be chaotic, but your bed should not be. I'm really

00:42:46.380 --> 00:42:48.719
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You ready for reality roundup? Yes. OK. Yes,

00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:08.539
yes, yes, yes. I, dear listener, I have two pages

00:44:08.539 --> 00:44:13.519
of notes. I'm so happy. I and I didn't even need

00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:16.780
these notes. But it's something that brings me

00:44:16.780 --> 00:44:18.760
a lot of joy to take notes and to make sure that

00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:21.039
I'm writing down not just what happens, but my

00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:23.860
reactions. I do. Oh, I know you do. Oh, I know

00:44:23.860 --> 00:44:30.019
you do. So this is season one, episode 10 of

00:44:30.019 --> 00:44:32.159
Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and Hot Water.

00:44:33.739 --> 00:44:36.039
It's probably one of the more iconic ones because

00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:40.420
I when no one knew what the Real Housewives of

00:44:40.420 --> 00:44:44.980
Salt Lake City was, you get this like this image

00:44:44.980 --> 00:44:49.280
of Jen Shaw in the like bathtub splashing and

00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:54.800
like screaming. Yes. This is kind of. This is

00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:56.199
really one of the ones that put it on the map.

00:44:56.219 --> 00:44:57.780
It's like I think that's like the first memory

00:44:57.780 --> 00:44:59.500
I have of like seeing Real Housewives of Salt

00:44:59.500 --> 00:45:03.090
Lake City. That's amazing. But. We start out

00:45:03.090 --> 00:45:05.130
at Jen's house. Jen's acting like the victim

00:45:05.130 --> 00:45:08.989
for the way she acted at Sharif's birthday. And

00:45:08.989 --> 00:45:10.530
we find out Sharif isn't talking to Jen at the

00:45:10.530 --> 00:45:12.369
moment. So she gets up and she's like, this is

00:45:12.369 --> 00:45:14.010
the scene where like, because I haven't watched

00:45:14.010 --> 00:45:15.190
this in a couple of weeks since I took these

00:45:15.190 --> 00:45:16.489
notes. This is where she's like getting up and

00:45:16.489 --> 00:45:18.070
making the bed and the whole thing, right? Yes.

00:45:18.130 --> 00:45:26.269
Okay. Yeah. Like on one hand, I can understand

00:45:26.269 --> 00:45:27.989
how Jen's feeling right now because everyone

00:45:27.989 --> 00:45:31.880
has been in that place of. I cannot believe the

00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:35.519
way I acted. I'm so embarrassed. I'm such a nightmare.

00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:39.179
God, I hate myself. That's not what Jen's feeling

00:45:39.179 --> 00:45:42.000
right now, though. Jen is fully saying this is

00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:44.059
someone else's fault. It's Whitney's fault that

00:45:44.059 --> 00:45:51.119
Sharif isn't speaking to me. Yes. But. It's something

00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:54.159
that I simply can't subscribe to. And I think

00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:56.800
that Heather did say it best, which kind of counteracts

00:45:56.800 --> 00:45:58.340
what you just said. But Heather said it best

00:45:58.340 --> 00:46:01.989
where she's like. So yes, Jen is in the wrong

00:46:01.989 --> 00:46:03.849
right now, but you have to give her a little

00:46:03.849 --> 00:46:06.610
bit of empathy. Like her marriage is in turmoil,

00:46:06.769 --> 00:46:12.610
all these things. And like, should she feel absolutely

00:46:12.610 --> 00:46:14.949
embarrassed for the way that she acted at that

00:46:14.949 --> 00:46:18.969
party? 100%. Do I, as the audience member, feel

00:46:18.969 --> 00:46:20.949
really bad that Sharif isn't talking to her?

00:46:21.510 --> 00:46:25.750
Yes, I do feel bad. But is it for no reason that

00:46:25.750 --> 00:46:28.090
Sharif is talking to her? Absolutely not. I fully

00:46:28.090 --> 00:46:31.900
agree with. Like Sharif needed time to process

00:46:31.900 --> 00:46:36.639
and to figure out how he's feeling and to not

00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:42.099
be in her vicinity so so soon so that he doesn't

00:46:42.099 --> 00:46:46.260
blow up on her. Yes. So that yes, I can get behind

00:46:46.260 --> 00:46:48.519
that. Like the thing this is where I struggle

00:46:48.519 --> 00:46:50.079
with Jen a little bit because it's like I get

00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:54.019
where you're coming from. I get like I get that

00:46:54.019 --> 00:46:57.000
like the situation with you and Sharif right

00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:01.360
now is really, really bad. Right. like you and

00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:03.400
like yeah it's it's hard that Whitney brought

00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:05.139
that to you at like because here's the thing

00:47:05.139 --> 00:47:07.079
I can say two wrongs don't make a right right

00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:09.460
I I don't think Whitney should have brought that

00:47:09.460 --> 00:47:12.480
to Jen at Sheree's birthday party and like if

00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:14.400
I'm being 100 % honest I can blame the January

00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:17.820
6th woman like I can still blame that January

00:47:17.820 --> 00:47:20.420
6th woman because there you go because she's

00:47:20.420 --> 00:47:25.849
the one who suggested all of it but for And Jen,

00:47:25.949 --> 00:47:29.210
to like be that reactive, I'm like, at some point

00:47:29.210 --> 00:47:32.429
you have to say, I don't care what the situation

00:47:32.429 --> 00:47:34.409
is. I'm going to remove myself from it, especially

00:47:34.409 --> 00:47:36.869
in situations like this, where it is like the

00:47:36.869 --> 00:47:38.710
stakes are that high. That's just all there is

00:47:38.710 --> 00:47:41.989
to it. I literally want to take what you've said

00:47:41.989 --> 00:47:43.650
and I want to read one of my notes that I wrote

00:47:43.650 --> 00:47:47.090
down today. Please. I think that if Jen wanted

00:47:47.090 --> 00:47:49.010
this party to work out and be all about Coach

00:47:49.010 --> 00:47:51.409
Shaw, she would have pulled a Meredith and disengaged.

00:47:52.289 --> 00:47:54.690
Because Meredith is always like, I am disengaged.

00:47:54.690 --> 00:47:56.250
Well, I think that's what she should have done.

00:47:56.289 --> 00:47:57.969
I agree. And I think that's what Meredith on

00:47:57.969 --> 00:47:59.849
some level was trying to do, because Meredith,

00:48:00.010 --> 00:48:03.530
I like even this early on, I think was like,

00:48:03.550 --> 00:48:05.409
I can see what's coming from a mile away. I'm

00:48:05.409 --> 00:48:07.909
I'm backing away slowly and I'm not doing this.

00:48:08.349 --> 00:48:10.489
Yeah, it's it's a really difficult situation

00:48:10.489 --> 00:48:14.170
because it's like say say the thing that I had

00:48:14.170 --> 00:48:16.590
you say earlier about actions and reactions.

00:48:16.809 --> 00:48:20.190
Oh, you can. You can't control other people's

00:48:20.190 --> 00:48:21.909
actions. You can only control your reactions.

00:48:22.050 --> 00:48:25.489
Yes. And I think that if the party and if the

00:48:25.489 --> 00:48:28.050
concept behind the party was important enough

00:48:28.050 --> 00:48:30.829
and heavy enough for Jen Shaw, that she would

00:48:30.829 --> 00:48:34.429
have taken what Whitney had said and been like,

00:48:34.550 --> 00:48:37.710
OK, so I see that this is happening and I'm really

00:48:37.710 --> 00:48:41.489
getting annoyed about it. I have to walk away

00:48:41.489 --> 00:48:44.880
and I have to truly make this about him. And

00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:46.860
I need to disengage from this conversation. I'd

00:48:46.860 --> 00:48:48.739
be like, let's talk about this later. I want

00:48:48.739 --> 00:48:51.139
to focus on my husband. And she did not do that.

00:48:51.219 --> 00:48:53.960
And she doesn't have very good reactions to things.

00:48:54.059 --> 00:48:57.300
And that's a big, fat problem of hers. Yes. And

00:48:57.300 --> 00:48:59.500
it continues to be a problem throughout the episode.

00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:03.420
Well, throughout. The entire show. Throughout

00:49:03.420 --> 00:49:05.579
all of time for the rest of her life and then

00:49:05.579 --> 00:49:08.579
some. But then we get Whitney going to Beauty

00:49:08.579 --> 00:49:12.400
Lab and they're unpacking the disaster that was

00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:14.840
Sharif's party. And then Whitney says she has

00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:16.960
good intentions and she was just trying to be

00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:20.440
a good friend to Jen, which I do buy this from

00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:21.980
Whitney. What I will say about Whitney is that

00:49:21.980 --> 00:49:25.230
I. I wholeheartedly believe what you see is what

00:49:25.230 --> 00:49:27.030
you get. And sometimes it's messy. Sometimes

00:49:27.030 --> 00:49:30.110
it's not the right time. Sometimes it is rough

00:49:30.110 --> 00:49:32.250
around the edges. But I do believe, A, that it

00:49:32.250 --> 00:49:33.829
always comes from a place of like having good

00:49:33.829 --> 00:49:35.630
intentions. And B, it is always coming from a

00:49:35.630 --> 00:49:40.250
very genuine place. I completely agree. And the

00:49:40.250 --> 00:49:43.010
part that I didn't love is that she found a way

00:49:43.010 --> 00:49:45.070
to blame this on the other women jumping in.

00:49:45.210 --> 00:49:48.929
And she she did that a couple of times. And I

00:49:48.929 --> 00:49:52.289
had written something down, too, where I'm like,

00:49:52.329 --> 00:49:56.889
honey. You think that it went downhill when all

00:49:56.889 --> 00:49:58.630
the girls jumped in. It went downhill because

00:49:58.630 --> 00:50:01.309
you couldn't spit it out and say coherently.

00:50:01.489 --> 00:50:05.989
She was wasted. And I'm like, it's your it is

00:50:05.989 --> 00:50:07.809
your fault that you couldn't get the thoughts

00:50:07.809 --> 00:50:09.889
out. Not because the girls were jumping in and

00:50:09.889 --> 00:50:11.670
adding their own things, because you wouldn't

00:50:11.670 --> 00:50:14.090
spit it out because you were drunk. Yes, girl.

00:50:14.170 --> 00:50:16.070
You were drunk as a skunk and you couldn't you

00:50:16.070 --> 00:50:18.650
couldn't dish it out. Like also just say that.

00:50:18.690 --> 00:50:22.590
Just say like, hey, I I could not piece. a string

00:50:22.590 --> 00:50:24.170
of thought together because I was wasted. Just

00:50:24.170 --> 00:50:26.010
say that. And like, I'll buy that a little bit

00:50:26.010 --> 00:50:28.670
more than like it's absolutely it's Meredith

00:50:28.670 --> 00:50:32.050
and it's Lisa's fault because like and Heather

00:50:32.050 --> 00:50:34.230
Whitney was blaming Heather. I didn't like that

00:50:34.230 --> 00:50:37.429
because like Heather was trying to be the catalyst

00:50:37.429 --> 00:50:39.429
to like make the conversation out. Heather, by

00:50:39.429 --> 00:50:42.090
the way, was also wasted like this. This wasn't

00:50:42.090 --> 00:50:44.550
any of their best episodes. I'm just going to

00:50:44.550 --> 00:50:46.369
be super real because like none of them came

00:50:46.369 --> 00:50:49.929
off like being. the good guy in any scenario

00:50:49.929 --> 00:50:54.829
yeah but lord have mercy it was unbearable yeah

00:50:54.829 --> 00:50:58.090
um heather says that she feels like jen wants

00:50:58.090 --> 00:51:00.210
to be associated with lisa and meredith because

00:51:00.210 --> 00:51:02.690
like they're like she considers them to be like

00:51:02.690 --> 00:51:09.550
better people right that i this is like i think

00:51:09.550 --> 00:51:12.489
a result of the show trying to find its footing

00:51:12.489 --> 00:51:15.730
where in the beginning i think the show was built

00:51:15.730 --> 00:51:21.409
around either Jin or Lisa or Jin and Lisa. And

00:51:21.409 --> 00:51:24.789
I feel like because you can see like people gravitating

00:51:24.789 --> 00:51:27.250
towards those two more than anyone else. And

00:51:27.250 --> 00:51:29.469
like part of it probably is like the personality

00:51:29.469 --> 00:51:31.789
and like the like larger than life thing of it.

00:51:31.889 --> 00:51:34.230
But like I have to assume that like the show

00:51:34.230 --> 00:51:38.960
is being built around them because. Like. To

00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:41.579
keep coming back to the chaos that is like Jen

00:51:41.579 --> 00:51:44.079
Shaw after Cherie's birthday party, after Meredith's

00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:46.860
birthday party, after the luncheon, after all

00:51:46.860 --> 00:51:49.960
of this, like it kind of says like, oh, they

00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:52.280
felt like they had to keep coming back. Like

00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:54.900
that's that's just how I feel about it. I get

00:51:54.900 --> 00:51:58.719
that. And it made me really sad that Heather

00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:02.179
and maybe I'm jumping forward a little bit, but

00:52:02.179 --> 00:52:05.599
this whole concept of Heather being very. Open,

00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:08.039
like in the confessional specifically about if

00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:11.320
I'm not the go along girl, somebody is going

00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:15.219
to drop me like that. And that makes me so sad

00:52:15.219 --> 00:52:19.659
because obviously it is such PTSD from her previous

00:52:19.659 --> 00:52:22.380
relationship. And from the Mormon church. And

00:52:22.380 --> 00:52:25.460
from the Mormon church, of course. And I just

00:52:25.460 --> 00:52:28.920
feel like. a lot of sympathy for heather where

00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:32.340
she wants everybody to be happy and i'm i'm this

00:52:32.340 --> 00:52:33.820
kind of person too where i want everybody to

00:52:33.820 --> 00:52:35.760
be happy i want everybody to get along you want

00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:37.340
a nice bow on everything you want everything

00:52:37.340 --> 00:52:39.800
to be okay and i also want everybody to like

00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:43.449
me too as much as that's like kind of conceited

00:52:43.449 --> 00:52:45.969
to admit or something. I like being liked and

00:52:45.969 --> 00:52:49.050
I like what I like being wanted. And I hate the

00:52:49.050 --> 00:52:52.190
idea that Heather has such a huge example of

00:52:52.190 --> 00:52:55.090
how that's not true for her because that's how

00:52:55.090 --> 00:52:58.170
it is perceived. Like her husband left her when

00:52:58.170 --> 00:53:01.449
she set one boundary. And I think it is really

00:53:01.449 --> 00:53:04.250
sad that she's like, I feel like Jen would drop

00:53:04.250 --> 00:53:07.980
me. at any second if it meant that she could

00:53:07.980 --> 00:53:10.559
be best friends with lisa and meredith yeah i

00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:12.760
just think it's sad i think it's sad too but

00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:14.800
i think the difference between someone like you

00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:16.800
and someone like heather gay and i think heather

00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:18.820
has gotten a lot better about this as time has

00:53:18.820 --> 00:53:20.739
gone on it's like she's distanced herself from

00:53:20.739 --> 00:53:24.179
the church from like the the fallout of her marriage

00:53:24.179 --> 00:53:30.139
from honestly from jen shaw too um but this didn't

00:53:30.139 --> 00:53:33.519
used to be this way heather would be the like

00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:35.980
get along girl at the detriment of herself you

00:53:35.980 --> 00:53:40.860
don't like let it destroy your life your relationship

00:53:40.860 --> 00:53:42.739
and the things around you where I think at some

00:53:42.739 --> 00:53:45.659
point Heather did because she felt like she had

00:53:45.659 --> 00:53:49.199
to and I hate that for her because like she is

00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:51.619
one of these people that you look at she has

00:53:51.619 --> 00:53:53.559
so much to offer and I'm like if you could just

00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:55.920
see that like that you you would have and she

00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:57.880
does like that's the thing is like once she like

00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:00.900
learned how to kind of like live in her light

00:54:01.530 --> 00:54:03.070
She's got the world eating out of the palm of

00:54:03.070 --> 00:54:05.510
her hand. Absolutely. And I had even noted it

00:54:05.510 --> 00:54:09.150
in my notes that she has made so much progress

00:54:09.150 --> 00:54:12.630
between, say, last episode to the end of the

00:54:12.630 --> 00:54:15.650
season where she's like, you know what? If you're

00:54:15.650 --> 00:54:17.730
going to be mean to me, if you're not going to

00:54:17.730 --> 00:54:21.070
accept all that I have to offer and you want

00:54:21.070 --> 00:54:23.869
to discredit it or discount it or diminish it

00:54:23.869 --> 00:54:26.250
in any way, screw you. I don't I don't need you

00:54:26.250 --> 00:54:28.590
in my life anymore. And I think that that's really

00:54:28.590 --> 00:54:31.940
big of her. And I would also be very. willing

00:54:31.940 --> 00:54:34.400
and interested to like read her books. And I

00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:36.500
think I even saw that she has something on some

00:54:36.500 --> 00:54:39.940
sort of TV subscription to called Bad Mormon.

00:54:39.940 --> 00:54:43.699
So she's got Bad Mormon and Good Time Girl were

00:54:43.699 --> 00:54:45.579
the two books she wrote. They're both very, very

00:54:45.579 --> 00:54:48.739
good. I've read both of them. Bad Mormon is probably

00:54:48.739 --> 00:54:52.119
my favorite of the two. And then she's got. Did

00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:54.619
you ever watch the Scientology show like that

00:54:54.619 --> 00:54:57.739
Leah Romney hosted? For sure, I did. So Heather.

00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:01.360
I think it's called Bad Woman also, but it's

00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:04.920
it's kind of the same concept where it's unpacking,

00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:07.320
like leaving the church and like what that's

00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:08.679
done to people. It's a three part series. It's

00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:11.179
on Peacock. That's what it was. That's what I

00:55:11.179 --> 00:55:14.199
saw. OK, so, yes, I really want to watch that.

00:55:14.300 --> 00:55:18.760
It's very good. It is, I think, especially for

00:55:18.760 --> 00:55:22.119
people like us that grew up in not the Mormon

00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:23.840
church, but like the Nazarene church does have

00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:25.480
a lot of parallels there. I think it'll be very

00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:30.119
triggering. Yikes. But I think it's a good show.

00:55:30.340 --> 00:55:34.920
Well, yeah, I'm really I I agree that Heather

00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:37.659
has got so much going for her. And I'm really

00:55:37.659 --> 00:55:39.679
proud of the progress that I've seen only watching

00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:41.900
season one. So I can only imagine the kind of

00:55:41.900 --> 00:55:43.659
progress she's made over the years. Oh, yeah.

00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:48.340
So that's great. That's my Heather tangent. We

00:55:48.340 --> 00:55:52.030
go over to Whitney. Face tying Mary to make sure

00:55:52.030 --> 00:55:55.150
that she understood exactly what Mary said. And

00:55:55.150 --> 00:55:59.650
this all kind of revolves around. Mary told Whitney

00:55:59.650 --> 00:56:02.909
that Lisa and Meredith both separately said they

00:56:02.909 --> 00:56:11.489
are afraid of Jen. I. I don't buy. I don't buy

00:56:11.489 --> 00:56:13.710
that Meredith said I'm afraid of Jen at all.

00:56:13.750 --> 00:56:18.590
I buy that. Lisa said, I'm afraid of, not I'm

00:56:18.590 --> 00:56:21.469
afraid of, but like, I can't handle the like,

00:56:21.570 --> 00:56:24.730
the blow ups and the theatrics of all. I'll buy

00:56:24.730 --> 00:56:26.949
that Lisa Barlow said that. I don't believe she

00:56:26.949 --> 00:56:30.050
said, I'm afraid of Jen. And I think if Meredith

00:56:30.050 --> 00:56:34.289
said any semblance of anything, it's something

00:56:34.289 --> 00:56:36.489
similar to what I think Lisa said of like, I

00:56:36.489 --> 00:56:40.829
can't handle this. Cause like they're both, there

00:56:40.829 --> 00:56:44.510
are two people that cannot engage in this idea

00:56:44.510 --> 00:56:47.150
of like, I need you to calm down. Like you have

00:56:47.150 --> 00:56:50.670
to like stop. Right. At this point in the episode,

00:56:50.889 --> 00:56:53.489
I also had to pause and I had to think to myself,

00:56:53.690 --> 00:57:00.630
OK, so who is lying or where was the truth shifted?

00:57:01.050 --> 00:57:05.230
Because I don't because now that Mary has now

00:57:05.230 --> 00:57:08.090
that Whitney has clarified with Mary what Mary

00:57:08.090 --> 00:57:10.769
had said, I don't think that Whitney is lying.

00:57:10.949 --> 00:57:14.409
Whitney was told something. Yes. So that's either

00:57:14.409 --> 00:57:17.730
Mary lying, Lisa lying or Meredith lying or some

00:57:17.730 --> 00:57:20.349
combination of the three. I still believe that.

00:57:20.369 --> 00:57:21.949
I don't think Mary would say something that's

00:57:21.949 --> 00:57:24.349
untrue. I think that she's too old and too grown

00:57:24.349 --> 00:57:30.590
to have the desire to say something that isn't

00:57:30.590 --> 00:57:32.829
true. And she's been saying it up, down, left

00:57:32.829 --> 00:57:35.369
and sideways throughout the season that she's

00:57:35.369 --> 00:57:38.530
just going to say it how it is. So what I will

00:57:38.530 --> 00:57:42.659
buy is that. mary heard lisa and meredith say

00:57:42.659 --> 00:57:45.099
whatever they said and she heard what she wanted

00:57:45.099 --> 00:57:47.980
to hear she heard because like i i know that

00:57:47.980 --> 00:57:51.480
mary does not like jen like that is that has

00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:54.219
been well established right i think she heard

00:57:54.219 --> 00:57:58.579
i can't handle this blow up thing she took that

00:57:58.579 --> 00:58:02.860
and ran with it and said Oh, you're afraid of

00:58:02.860 --> 00:58:04.679
her. Like, you're afraid of the blowups. You're

00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:06.480
afraid of this. And like, I'll buy that she believed

00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:08.739
that, too. And then she relayed that information

00:58:08.739 --> 00:58:11.239
to Whitney. And the recurring theme with Whitney

00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:14.500
is she's the one that you hand the ball to. And

00:58:14.500 --> 00:58:20.360
Whitney runs with the ball. So I think Mary probably

00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:23.219
knew what she was doing when she let Whitney

00:58:23.219 --> 00:58:26.059
know that information. Yeah. Because I believe

00:58:26.059 --> 00:58:27.559
Whitney believed that to be the truth. And I

00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:30.619
believe Mary said that's. I believe that's what

00:58:30.619 --> 00:58:33.039
you meant. You know what I mean? And that makes

00:58:33.039 --> 00:58:36.679
sense because I also thought to myself, I don't

00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:40.260
think that Meredith and Lisa have any reason

00:58:40.260 --> 00:58:43.159
to lie about their feelings with Jen because

00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:46.579
kind of in parallel to what Heather was saying,

00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:50.239
I do perceive Meredith and Lisa to be very special,

00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:54.400
very like highly acclaimed, very classy, very

00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:58.889
chic, very, very high up. in this like hierarchy

00:58:58.889 --> 00:59:05.869
of real housewives. And I would imagine that

00:59:05.869 --> 00:59:08.110
they don't have any reason to lie. They don't

00:59:08.110 --> 00:59:13.090
have any reason to even be afraid, quote unquote,

00:59:13.210 --> 00:59:16.869
of Jen. I'm not saying that they're better than

00:59:16.869 --> 00:59:18.590
Jen and I'm not saying they're better than Mary

00:59:18.590 --> 00:59:21.110
or Whitney or anything like that, but they're

00:59:21.110 --> 00:59:25.289
very. very confident women they're very comfortable

00:59:25.289 --> 00:59:28.050
in their thoughts and their feelings and they

00:59:28.050 --> 00:59:30.170
also think very highly of themselves which is

00:59:30.170 --> 00:59:33.630
great right that's that's a compliment so this

00:59:33.630 --> 00:59:36.489
whole time i'm like grappling with who where

00:59:36.489 --> 00:59:39.949
where did the truth turn into a lie and now that

00:59:39.949 --> 00:59:41.730
you were saying all of this it does sound like

00:59:41.730 --> 00:59:49.570
it's got to be mary mary mary mary girl mary

00:59:49.570 --> 00:59:53.179
um Meredith and Seth go to dinner with Lisa and

00:59:53.179 --> 00:59:58.440
John and we get the like Meredith and Seth sharing

00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:00.260
that they're starting a new beginning. And I

01:00:00.260 --> 01:00:04.340
think like that's really beautiful that a that

01:00:04.340 --> 01:00:06.239
they were like able to be honest about this,

01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:09.639
because I think, number one, having your marriage

01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:13.179
fall apart like or start like be rocky is a scary

01:00:13.179 --> 01:00:17.170
place to be. Having it happen on. A brand new

01:00:17.170 --> 01:00:19.949
reality show in front of the world is a much

01:00:19.949 --> 01:00:23.789
scarier place to be. And I think rebuilding it

01:00:23.789 --> 01:00:25.889
has to be a very vulnerable place to be. And

01:00:25.889 --> 01:00:27.809
I'm very impressed that they were like kind of

01:00:27.809 --> 01:00:31.630
able to get to this place. But then we get into

01:00:31.630 --> 01:00:37.210
how. Jen had been talking about Seth and Meredith's

01:00:37.210 --> 01:00:45.269
marriage and. Like. This is one of those things

01:00:45.269 --> 01:00:49.110
where I'm like, OK, I will buy that you didn't

01:00:49.110 --> 01:00:52.190
want your marriage talked about. But like at

01:00:52.190 --> 01:00:53.650
some point you're putting yourself on reality

01:00:53.650 --> 01:00:55.829
TV, you're putting this all out there like I

01:00:55.829 --> 01:00:58.869
think it's going to be talked about. But like

01:00:58.869 --> 01:01:01.469
I do agree with Meredith, I don't like the way

01:01:01.469 --> 01:01:04.650
Jen went about it. But at some point, I think

01:01:04.650 --> 01:01:07.269
that you're if you're in for a penny, you're

01:01:07.269 --> 01:01:09.610
in for a pound with this reality TV game. That

01:01:09.610 --> 01:01:14.110
is true. And. Maybe it's just got to be one of

01:01:14.110 --> 01:01:16.869
those things about like it's a reality TV show.

01:01:17.349 --> 01:01:20.550
Let's make somebody the bad guy for this scene

01:01:20.550 --> 01:01:27.329
and or this episode or whatever. But I do understand

01:01:27.329 --> 01:01:34.429
that. How do I want to say this? I like what

01:01:34.429 --> 01:01:36.630
you said about it just being incredibly vulnerable

01:01:36.630 --> 01:01:42.090
because divorce. as a concept is extremely vulnerable.

01:01:42.210 --> 01:01:44.809
And at times, people can feel embarrassed about

01:01:44.809 --> 01:01:50.349
it, ashamed about it. And it would be at a different

01:01:50.349 --> 01:01:53.650
level, also incredibly vulnerable to consider

01:01:53.650 --> 01:01:55.969
divorce, like going through a separation and

01:01:55.969 --> 01:01:58.489
seeing if divorce is the right thing. And then

01:01:58.489 --> 01:02:01.630
turning around and being like, No, we can actually

01:02:01.630 --> 01:02:04.190
fix this. Because people are always going to

01:02:04.190 --> 01:02:08.130
have perceptions of your relationships. And Whether

01:02:08.130 --> 01:02:11.449
you in in Meredith's case, like she's sharing

01:02:11.449 --> 01:02:13.949
a lot, not just with the world, but also to her

01:02:13.949 --> 01:02:19.849
close friends. And if we're looking at this from

01:02:19.849 --> 01:02:22.530
an audience perspective and we're not considering

01:02:22.530 --> 01:02:25.610
the fact that it is a reality TV show, 100 percent,

01:02:25.610 --> 01:02:29.849
Jen Shaw did the wrong thing by being like, you'll

01:02:29.849 --> 01:02:31.590
just have to ask Meredith. Yes, this is what

01:02:31.590 --> 01:02:33.929
I'm hearing. But you'll just have to ask her.

01:02:34.969 --> 01:02:37.389
But that is a really interesting perspective

01:02:37.389 --> 01:02:39.889
that you've opened up. That's like, can you be

01:02:39.889 --> 01:02:43.550
so mad when you're sharing it on national television

01:02:43.550 --> 01:02:47.869
on a highly acclaimed reality show? And to be

01:02:47.869 --> 01:02:49.929
fair to Meredith, because I'll give her this

01:02:49.929 --> 01:02:52.750
one. Season one of Real Housewives of Salt Lake

01:02:52.750 --> 01:02:54.170
City, they had no idea where they were going

01:02:54.170 --> 01:02:57.110
to be. Like, I'll buy that. Like, this was all

01:02:57.110 --> 01:02:59.050
very, very new for them. So I can give Meredith

01:02:59.050 --> 01:03:01.429
a pass for being upset about it, for feeling

01:03:01.429 --> 01:03:03.469
some type of way about it, because. This was

01:03:03.469 --> 01:03:05.610
all still very it was very new territory to them.

01:03:05.690 --> 01:03:09.230
I'll give her that. And it's also when we see

01:03:09.230 --> 01:03:12.170
all of these friend dynamics, we saw from the

01:03:12.170 --> 01:03:15.030
very beginning of this season that Meredith and

01:03:15.030 --> 01:03:19.809
Jen were like top notch best friends, like having

01:03:19.809 --> 01:03:21.510
sleepovers, doing all these things, throwing

01:03:21.510 --> 01:03:26.309
$80 ,000 birthday parties on Lisa Barlow's birthday.

01:03:26.409 --> 01:03:31.389
By the way, I had no clue about that. Yeah. So

01:03:31.389 --> 01:03:35.309
that's crazy. But they were best friends. And

01:03:35.309 --> 01:03:38.190
so, like, why are you saying things like that

01:03:38.190 --> 01:03:40.969
to other people about your best friend? Like,

01:03:41.030 --> 01:03:44.070
have a little bit of decorum. Have a little bit

01:03:44.070 --> 01:03:46.849
of respect for your friend. Yes. It's crazy.

01:03:47.769 --> 01:03:51.309
Whitney, Heather and Jen go to a spa in the middle

01:03:51.309 --> 01:03:53.849
of nowhere. And then we get a flashback of Whitney

01:03:53.849 --> 01:03:58.699
calling Jen to apologize. I didn't like. The

01:03:58.699 --> 01:04:00.460
way this conversation went down, because I think

01:04:00.460 --> 01:04:02.239
if someone apologizes to you, you either have

01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:04.139
to accept it or not. Like in the way that Jen

01:04:04.139 --> 01:04:09.159
was so like, yeah, fine, I'll go. Yeah, I'll

01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:10.920
go to the spot. Like it just it felt icky to

01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:15.659
me. Well, I when I rewatched the episode this

01:04:15.659 --> 01:04:18.880
morning, I had honestly felt like I bet there

01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:20.360
could have been more to that conversation. Like

01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:23.199
I bet there was and it was just cut. I'm hoping

01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:25.019
that that's what happened, because I felt the

01:04:25.019 --> 01:04:27.760
same way where Whitney every. time she apologizes

01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:30.079
i feel like it's genuine yes and so when jen

01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:33.300
shaw was just like fine i'll go i was like it

01:04:33.300 --> 01:04:37.139
was a little bit ew yeah um but then i was like

01:04:37.139 --> 01:04:40.500
well maybe that was like a 10 second clip of

01:04:40.500 --> 01:04:43.480
a flashback where that phone call could have

01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:45.440
been like upwards of 20 minutes long who knows

01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:48.639
that's what i'm hoping maybe but of course we

01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:52.320
already knew that going into this jen still didn't

01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:54.900
like whitney right and still had a problem with

01:04:54.900 --> 01:04:58.599
her and didn't Like had high expectations for

01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:00.260
the spa thing, like if you're going to apologize

01:05:00.260 --> 01:05:02.780
to me, it better be a 24 karat face mask. It

01:05:02.780 --> 01:05:05.099
better be this, that and the third, which I also

01:05:05.099 --> 01:05:09.679
thought was really funny that Jen was so disgusted

01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:11.480
by this place. I wrote down in my notes like

01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:14.579
I would do anything. I'd pay any money to be

01:05:14.579 --> 01:05:18.380
at this cool little hippy dippy spa. Oh, yeah.

01:05:18.400 --> 01:05:21.739
And be sitting in these rocks that are bathtubs.

01:05:21.739 --> 01:05:25.590
Yeah. With hot water in nature. in the fresh

01:05:25.590 --> 01:05:30.590
air and all of the canyons i i assume i don't

01:05:30.590 --> 01:05:33.869
know i would do anything so me and jen are just

01:05:33.869 --> 01:05:36.150
not alike i wrote down the same thing where i

01:05:36.150 --> 01:05:38.489
i would love to be in one of these hot hot spring

01:05:38.489 --> 01:05:43.429
hot tub things but like so okay so you get the

01:05:43.429 --> 01:05:46.110
you get the visual of like them driving out there

01:05:46.110 --> 01:05:48.250
and you and i think whitney says it at one point

01:05:48.250 --> 01:05:50.920
um i'm i'm I brought us out to the middle of

01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:54.420
nowhere. So Jen could not storm off. And like,

01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:57.820
and that really just illustrates how big of a

01:05:57.820 --> 01:06:01.199
problem that has been. Cause like, I think I

01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:03.719
said it to Emma. We're like, we've seen it four

01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:06.219
or five times, but like, I wonder how much, cause

01:06:06.219 --> 01:06:09.139
like, I think Heather Dubrow said like, it's

01:06:09.139 --> 01:06:13.400
for every eight hours that we film one hour makes

01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:16.179
it to air. So like, you have to assume that there

01:06:16.179 --> 01:06:18.760
are like hours on the cutting room floor of,

01:06:19.579 --> 01:06:21.940
Jen just storming off or like having a meltdown

01:06:21.940 --> 01:06:23.900
that we haven't seen. So like I like they're

01:06:23.900 --> 01:06:26.039
all conditioned to it in a way that like we think

01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:27.579
it's entertaining, but like they're exhausted

01:06:27.579 --> 01:06:30.239
by it. So yeah, when he brings you out in the

01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:32.039
middle of nowhere, you're you can't storm off.

01:06:32.539 --> 01:06:36.059
And I don't love that she did this again. But

01:06:36.059 --> 01:06:37.960
when he starts to apologize and she's blaming

01:06:37.960 --> 01:06:40.519
the other women for the derailing of the conversation.

01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:43.519
I know. I know. It kind of makes you grit your

01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:46.360
teeth a little bit. It's like everybody in the

01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:48.969
room. Everybody in these tubs can take a little

01:06:48.969 --> 01:06:52.110
bit of accountability. Right. For sure. But what

01:06:52.110 --> 01:06:55.309
Jen, I did appreciate. She explains like she

01:06:55.309 --> 01:06:56.849
does a very good job of explaining the party

01:06:56.849 --> 01:06:59.309
was such a big deal to her. Yes. And I get her

01:06:59.309 --> 01:07:02.230
being upset, just like not to the extent of.

01:07:03.670 --> 01:07:06.550
Where she took it and then she has a complete

01:07:06.550 --> 01:07:09.349
inability to take accountability past that. And

01:07:09.349 --> 01:07:12.170
then she has to melt down and says that Whitney

01:07:12.170 --> 01:07:15.110
pushed her to throw the glass. I know this is

01:07:15.110 --> 01:07:18.429
a problem that I have with Jen 24 seven is that

01:07:18.429 --> 01:07:22.929
she will. say what is wrong she'll say how she's

01:07:22.929 --> 01:07:26.289
feeling and then instead of looking inward and

01:07:26.289 --> 01:07:28.809
being like okay did I do anything to make myself

01:07:28.809 --> 01:07:31.070
feel this way or is there anything that's happened

01:07:31.070 --> 01:07:33.250
in my past to make me feel this way or what were

01:07:33.250 --> 01:07:37.769
my actions did I do anything to alleviate the

01:07:37.769 --> 01:07:39.710
situation and instead of doing all those things

01:07:39.710 --> 01:07:45.309
she deflects and she Says it is your fault that

01:07:45.309 --> 01:07:48.309
I threw the glass. Baby, it is not Whitney's

01:07:48.309 --> 01:07:51.789
fault that you threw the glass. You are in control

01:07:51.789 --> 01:07:54.610
of your reactions, your actions and your reactions.

01:07:54.969 --> 01:07:58.849
And Jen just never she can't comprehend that.

01:07:58.909 --> 01:08:02.309
She she constantly wants to blame other people

01:08:02.309 --> 01:08:04.969
for the bad things that she does. She knows that

01:08:04.969 --> 01:08:07.429
she does the bad things. She's embarrassed about

01:08:07.429 --> 01:08:09.949
it. I believe that she's fully embarrassed. I

01:08:09.949 --> 01:08:13.539
agree. But. She will continue to blame everybody

01:08:13.539 --> 01:08:16.640
else for the way that she acts. You have to fix

01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:20.479
how you react. You have to because you just look

01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:24.720
emotionally immature. You look you look ridiculous.

01:08:25.180 --> 01:08:29.100
And and honestly, it comes to a point where I

01:08:29.100 --> 01:08:32.140
honestly feel a little bad for Jen because it's

01:08:32.140 --> 01:08:36.119
like you're already at your grown age. You're

01:08:36.119 --> 01:08:37.720
already at your grown age. How are you going

01:08:37.720 --> 01:08:40.239
to fix this now? Right. How are you going to

01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:44.220
work on this now? Probably prison. I hope. I

01:08:44.220 --> 01:08:49.239
hope. So it is sad. And I liked that at some

01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:52.920
point Whitney fully took accountability. But

01:08:52.920 --> 01:08:56.260
it came to a point where Heather was like. You

01:08:56.260 --> 01:08:59.439
just need to give her what she wants to hear

01:08:59.439 --> 01:09:02.239
in order to alleviate this. Yes. It's like talking

01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:04.659
to a child. Well, and that's exactly what I wrote

01:09:04.659 --> 01:09:07.850
in my notes, too. But before that, you get. the

01:09:07.850 --> 01:09:10.489
famous scene of Jen splashing the cameras. And

01:09:10.489 --> 01:09:12.449
it's like, it's funny that this happens immediately

01:09:12.449 --> 01:09:15.109
after not, she's saying it's your, you pushed

01:09:15.109 --> 01:09:17.689
me to, you pushed me to throw the glass. She

01:09:17.689 --> 01:09:19.829
splashes the cameras. The producer says, Jen,

01:09:19.949 --> 01:09:21.869
why'd you do that? And she goes, that's what

01:09:21.869 --> 01:09:23.810
happens when you film me in a bathtub. It's always

01:09:23.810 --> 01:09:27.310
someone else's fault. It's the exact same thing

01:09:27.310 --> 01:09:31.630
about the glass. And then how crazy. like and

01:09:31.630 --> 01:09:33.609
that's the thing it's like oh you just can't

01:09:33.609 --> 01:09:35.810
do it like you simply can't do it and then like

01:09:35.810 --> 01:09:37.850
heather does something where and i immediately

01:09:37.850 --> 01:09:39.550
recognized what heather was doing because our

01:09:39.550 --> 01:09:41.310
papaw has done this i've seen huck do this i've

01:09:41.310 --> 01:09:44.109
seen tina do this i've seen a lot of people in

01:09:44.109 --> 01:09:45.569
our family do this where it's like it's my fault

01:09:45.569 --> 01:09:49.590
it's my fault like just make it go away and I

01:09:49.590 --> 01:09:51.710
feel bad that Heather did that because she takes

01:09:51.710 --> 01:09:53.529
all the blame for everything. She says it was

01:09:53.529 --> 01:09:56.069
bad timing on her part. And that was the problem.

01:09:56.170 --> 01:09:58.090
And then Heather ends up telling Jen that she's

01:09:58.090 --> 01:10:00.069
terrified of losing the friendship with her.

01:10:00.449 --> 01:10:05.930
And that broke my heart. It did. Yeah, I agree.

01:10:06.210 --> 01:10:11.449
It's what did I write down? It's like the things

01:10:11.449 --> 01:10:14.810
that we said before that Heather is terrified

01:10:14.810 --> 01:10:18.300
of. setting boundaries with people and so she's

01:10:18.300 --> 01:10:20.359
willing to just let people walk all over her

01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:22.359
or treat her however they want to treat her and

01:10:22.359 --> 01:10:25.939
it's just so sad and again I'm really glad that

01:10:25.939 --> 01:10:28.659
she's made the progress that I've currently seen

01:10:28.659 --> 01:10:31.420
having only just watched season one but from

01:10:31.420 --> 01:10:35.159
episode nine to episode whatever before the reunion

01:10:35.159 --> 01:10:38.420
I've seen that progress but this is like the

01:10:38.420 --> 01:10:42.250
beginning of that progress where she just wants

01:10:42.250 --> 01:10:45.170
this to be fixed so bad and that's also a really

01:10:45.170 --> 01:10:48.449
sad place and that's where me as a person I sit

01:10:48.449 --> 01:10:50.829
in that place a lot where if something is wrong

01:10:50.829 --> 01:10:53.829
I just want everybody to be happy I just want

01:10:53.829 --> 01:10:55.329
everybody to get along I just want everything

01:10:55.329 --> 01:10:57.989
to be fixed and I'll do anything to make it fixed

01:10:57.989 --> 01:11:01.890
even at like my own detriment and so in a lot

01:11:01.890 --> 01:11:03.989
of ways Heather's become kind of one of my favorites

01:11:03.989 --> 01:11:07.069
because not only do I see a little bit of myself

01:11:07.069 --> 01:11:12.060
in her but I also see um how strong and how capable

01:11:12.060 --> 01:11:15.680
she becomes in this throughout this season not

01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:19.000
just with with like her beautiful business that

01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:21.340
turns out so well by the end of the season and

01:11:21.340 --> 01:11:25.260
all these things but that she is able to be like

01:11:25.260 --> 01:11:27.939
you know I'm allowed to make boundaries yeah

01:11:27.939 --> 01:11:30.920
and if you have a problem with it I'd rather

01:11:30.920 --> 01:11:34.579
you step out yeah I'd rather you go and she just

01:11:34.579 --> 01:11:37.500
holds a lot more value in herself later on and

01:11:37.500 --> 01:11:41.140
I'm excited for her to get there. But right now

01:11:41.140 --> 01:11:46.319
it's just sad. It is. It's sad. Lisa hosts a

01:11:46.319 --> 01:11:54.520
dinner in a yurt. Whatever. I can see her being

01:11:54.520 --> 01:11:56.680
like, this is such a good idea, John. This is

01:11:56.680 --> 01:11:58.680
going to be really good for Vita Tequila. John,

01:11:58.699 --> 01:12:00.140
I can't wait for you to hear about this idea

01:12:00.140 --> 01:12:01.899
that I have. Look at this idea. I don't want

01:12:01.899 --> 01:12:03.319
to hear your opinion, but I have a really good

01:12:03.319 --> 01:12:06.899
idea. John, I love it. Yeah. But she has dinner

01:12:06.899 --> 01:12:08.920
in a yurt. Meredith is the only other house right

01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:11.579
there, but we meet Angie Harrington. And Angie

01:12:11.579 --> 01:12:13.699
Harrington is someone who's always been really,

01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:17.079
really fascinating to me because she is the ex

01:12:17.079 --> 01:12:20.359
-wife. of brett from secret lives and more lives

01:12:20.359 --> 01:12:29.579
yes and she she was i i know beyond the shadow

01:12:29.579 --> 01:12:32.560
of a doubt she was slated to be on the real housewives

01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:34.680
of salt lake city if not in the first season

01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:39.680
then definitely in the second season but that

01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:43.880
really just didn't ever go anywhere Or, like,

01:12:43.939 --> 01:12:46.680
she stayed a friend of, because she got confessional

01:12:46.680 --> 01:12:49.060
at some point, but, like, I wonder if part of

01:12:49.060 --> 01:12:51.060
the problem was, like, she was trying too hard

01:12:51.060 --> 01:12:52.539
or, like, the other girls hated her. Because

01:12:52.539 --> 01:12:54.979
I know there was a lot there with, like, her

01:12:54.979 --> 01:12:59.380
and Jen where Angie Harrington's husband, like,

01:12:59.420 --> 01:13:03.300
created, like, a burner Instagram that, like,

01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:06.079
did nothing but drag Jen Shaw. So, like, I don't

01:13:06.079 --> 01:13:07.279
know if that's why she never got on the show,

01:13:07.380 --> 01:13:10.720
but, like, there's... like Angie Harrington's

01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:12.000
always been very interesting to me. And like,

01:13:12.020 --> 01:13:14.640
she's got money. Like I, like from what I understand,

01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:16.579
she gave Jen Shaw like a million dollars, like

01:13:16.579 --> 01:13:20.579
during the trial, like to, to, yeah, I'm going

01:13:20.579 --> 01:13:21.840
to probably going to cut that because I don't

01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:23.800
know if that's liable or not, but like, there's

01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:27.199
like Angie Harrington has like real, real, real

01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:28.920
money. Like I know they donated a million dollars

01:13:28.920 --> 01:13:32.840
to, to a foundation that was like supporting

01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:35.060
trans people. Like they, they have a lot of money

01:13:35.060 --> 01:13:36.600
in there, like allies of the community. So I

01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:39.529
don't know why they, Never made it on the show.

01:13:39.710 --> 01:13:43.430
Yeah. That's interesting. I didn't know a single

01:13:43.430 --> 01:13:46.449
thing about that woman. So I'm glad to have heard

01:13:46.449 --> 01:13:48.649
some of this information. And that's fascinating.

01:13:48.970 --> 01:13:52.270
Yeah. She was married to Brett. Yeah. I wonder

01:13:52.270 --> 01:13:55.710
if she was ever involved in Fruity Pebbles. I

01:13:55.710 --> 01:13:57.529
wonder if she knows about Fruity Pebbles. I wonder

01:13:57.529 --> 01:13:59.649
if she eats Fruity Pebbles. I have a feeling

01:13:59.649 --> 01:14:02.590
that she knows a lot about Fruity Pebbles. I

01:14:02.590 --> 01:14:03.930
have a feeling she knows about Fruity Pebbles

01:14:03.930 --> 01:14:07.119
and that's why she left her husband. Maybe. I

01:14:07.119 --> 01:14:09.800
hope. I don't know. I don't know. We go over

01:14:09.800 --> 01:14:12.340
to Jen's house and Coach Shaw comes in and talks

01:14:12.340 --> 01:14:19.579
to Jen for the first time in a week. Yeah. So.

01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:26.180
I would like to have one of these talks with

01:14:26.180 --> 01:14:28.020
Coach Shaw because I think coming out of this

01:14:28.020 --> 01:14:30.779
conversation, I think that I would feel better.

01:14:31.420 --> 01:14:36.180
He is so gentle. He is. And when I think that.

01:14:36.510 --> 01:14:39.829
The time away has given him a lot of patience

01:14:39.829 --> 01:14:42.569
and he was able to find his words very well.

01:14:42.689 --> 01:14:45.689
And what I also notice is he is such a like a

01:14:45.689 --> 01:14:49.390
words of affirmation person. And he was so gentle

01:14:49.390 --> 01:14:52.149
and so kind about it. And I would also love to

01:14:52.149 --> 01:14:54.329
have any conversation with him, I think would

01:14:54.329 --> 01:14:58.630
be very validating and very endearing. Yes. But

01:14:58.630 --> 01:15:01.390
he explains to Jen that she cannot control her

01:15:01.390 --> 01:15:03.949
emotions and reactions when she drinks. And I

01:15:03.949 --> 01:15:08.229
would. venture a guess that alcohol is not the

01:15:08.229 --> 01:15:10.649
issue I think it makes it worse but I don't think

01:15:10.649 --> 01:15:14.369
alcohol is the root of the problem right I I

01:15:14.369 --> 01:15:18.329
did wonder when he said that like of course I'm

01:15:18.329 --> 01:15:23.489
this is my first time in Real Housewives of Salt

01:15:23.489 --> 01:15:25.649
Lake City first time Real Housewives anything

01:15:25.649 --> 01:15:28.310
so I don't know anything about Jen Shaw going

01:15:28.310 --> 01:15:31.529
into any of this but I did wonder like Has drinking

01:15:31.529 --> 01:15:34.630
been an issue with her in previous years? Has

01:15:34.630 --> 01:15:36.430
it always been a thing that she does? I have

01:15:36.430 --> 01:15:41.909
no clue. I think it's I think Coach Shaw is more

01:15:41.909 --> 01:15:45.090
critical of the drinking because he is Muslim

01:15:45.090 --> 01:15:48.729
and he is like he is sober Muslim, too. And they're

01:15:48.729 --> 01:15:52.829
sober. He's sober. And like, I think he follows

01:15:52.829 --> 01:15:55.210
like the teachings of the Koran that say, like,

01:15:55.229 --> 01:15:58.760
you don't drink, you don't you don't. Do you

01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:02.079
X, Y, Z? And that's fine. I think that he's viewing

01:16:02.079 --> 01:16:05.180
it through the lens of I know I don't drink.

01:16:05.199 --> 01:16:06.739
I know I don't have these problems. Jen drinks.

01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:08.260
She does have these problems. And I think that

01:16:08.260 --> 01:16:12.619
it's a it's a correlation that's it's a causation.

01:16:13.039 --> 01:16:16.399
It's a correlation that's not a causation. So

01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:19.930
I think that. That's why he's coming at it from

01:16:19.930 --> 01:16:22.770
this angle. But I also think that he does not

01:16:22.770 --> 01:16:25.329
want to be like you have an emotional problem.

01:16:25.569 --> 01:16:29.489
Well, I wonder if he's scared to say that or

01:16:29.489 --> 01:16:34.250
if he genuinely is gone for so long, so consecutively

01:16:34.250 --> 01:16:37.729
that he genuinely doesn't understand what the

01:16:37.729 --> 01:16:42.010
issue is. And like, it's harder to not know something

01:16:42.010 --> 01:16:46.890
because, I mean, humans are. Powered by like,

01:16:46.970 --> 01:16:49.909
I want to know this, that and the third. I want

01:16:49.909 --> 01:16:52.810
there's a problem. I want a solution. We have

01:16:52.810 --> 01:16:55.590
to know everything. And so if there's something

01:16:55.590 --> 01:16:58.750
that Sharif genuinely doesn't understand, he

01:16:58.750 --> 01:17:01.289
probably wants to be like, well, I do know this

01:17:01.289 --> 01:17:03.770
is a problem. So that's got to be it. I'll buy

01:17:03.770 --> 01:17:07.210
that. And that is frustrating, especially when

01:17:07.210 --> 01:17:10.270
this is the first time that Jen is actually opening

01:17:10.270 --> 01:17:12.470
up about these issues. Right. She said, I've

01:17:12.470 --> 01:17:16.350
never. Told you how much I resent you. How mad

01:17:16.350 --> 01:17:19.289
she is. The one thing that stood out to me is

01:17:19.289 --> 01:17:22.149
she was like, I'm so mad at you. And I felt her

01:17:22.149 --> 01:17:24.949
when she was saying that. I believe all of this.

01:17:24.970 --> 01:17:27.090
And I genuinely do think that all of her feelings

01:17:27.090 --> 01:17:31.270
are very validated. It's just nobody can validate

01:17:31.270 --> 01:17:34.829
it when she comes off the way that she does,

01:17:34.970 --> 01:17:39.270
when she comes off so aggressively. And I. do

01:17:39.270 --> 01:17:42.510
agree with like Whitney where when Jen is around

01:17:42.510 --> 01:17:46.310
Sharif she's so much more gentle and so instead

01:17:46.310 --> 01:17:49.109
of screaming and yelling and throwing glasses

01:17:49.109 --> 01:17:51.710
like what she would at Whitney Jen just kind

01:17:51.710 --> 01:17:56.729
of resorts to this very emotional response as

01:17:56.729 --> 01:17:59.550
she's talking she's crying and she's she's not

01:17:59.550 --> 01:18:01.789
yelling at Sharif but she is making it apparent

01:18:01.789 --> 01:18:07.439
like I'm so angry with you and that's great Because,

01:18:07.460 --> 01:18:09.399
I mean, imagine how miserable the relationship

01:18:09.399 --> 01:18:11.319
would be if she's screaming and yelling in his

01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:16.439
face and throwing glasses in his vicinity. And

01:18:16.439 --> 01:18:20.220
I think that that is a relationship where if

01:18:20.220 --> 01:18:23.399
they're comfortable enough to be open and vulnerable

01:18:23.399 --> 01:18:25.680
with each other, they can make all of this work.

01:18:25.840 --> 01:18:31.090
And Sharif can, Sharif can support her in. making

01:18:31.090 --> 01:18:35.449
her a little more emotionally mature but he can't

01:18:35.449 --> 01:18:38.229
do that if jen's not going to actually say what

01:18:38.229 --> 01:18:40.449
the problem is right and this is the first time

01:18:40.449 --> 01:18:43.050
she's doing it right and like it's the first

01:18:43.050 --> 01:18:44.829
time she's saying what i mean and the problem

01:18:44.829 --> 01:18:48.449
is for she she gives like the full like i'm so

01:18:48.449 --> 01:18:50.250
mad at you because you weren't there when i had

01:18:50.250 --> 01:18:52.229
to make the decision to pull my dad off of life

01:18:52.229 --> 01:18:56.579
support and I like and you find out at some point

01:18:56.579 --> 01:18:59.279
later that like towards the end there, Sharif

01:18:59.279 --> 01:19:01.340
was the only person that Jen's dad recognized.

01:19:01.420 --> 01:19:04.659
And I think that that made it so much harder

01:19:04.659 --> 01:19:06.500
because I think Sharif even says it at the reunion.

01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:11.260
Like he he says. I think Jen probably on some

01:19:11.260 --> 01:19:14.539
level feels like if I were there, he would have

01:19:14.539 --> 01:19:16.260
pulled through a little bit and like I'll buy

01:19:16.260 --> 01:19:19.600
that she like subconsciously might like feel

01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:23.199
that I don't know, but. She does say, I'm so

01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:25.359
mad at you and I don't know where to put this,

01:19:25.460 --> 01:19:28.920
like long and short of it. And then Sharif hears

01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:30.859
her. And I think that's the first time Jen really

01:19:30.859 --> 01:19:35.119
feels heard. Yeah. About that situation. He was

01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:38.739
very receptive to it. He was. And he apologized

01:19:38.739 --> 01:19:43.710
and his apology felt so. real sincere and real

01:19:43.710 --> 01:19:46.390
and i think that's really beautiful she was like

01:19:46.390 --> 01:19:49.810
i need you to know i love you baby i love you

01:19:49.810 --> 01:19:52.810
and i'm so sorry that you're hurt and he's like

01:19:52.810 --> 01:19:55.289
i'll be better and i don't know if he has been

01:19:55.289 --> 01:19:57.329
i i haven't watched i don't think sharif had

01:19:57.329 --> 01:19:59.710
anything to fix like outside of like being present

01:19:59.710 --> 01:20:02.189
i i really don't so like exactly if he's any

01:20:02.189 --> 01:20:05.310
more present then i'm he's fixed it hopefully

01:20:05.310 --> 01:20:10.260
but Like the takeaway from that for me was the

01:20:10.260 --> 01:20:12.479
conversation is beautifully like it feels like

01:20:12.479 --> 01:20:14.920
everything's going to be OK in the Shaw chalet.

01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:18.460
Right. She doesn't do this with the other women,

01:20:18.520 --> 01:20:21.500
though. I know at some point, like you can say

01:20:21.500 --> 01:20:25.640
to Whitney, I am hurt that like you took this

01:20:25.640 --> 01:20:27.420
beautiful moment that I was trying to have for

01:20:27.420 --> 01:20:30.520
Sharif and it felt ruined and I'm hurt and I'm

01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:35.250
mad at you. She she doesn't she she gets. the

01:20:35.250 --> 01:20:37.369
essence of that but she doesn't ever get there

01:20:37.369 --> 01:20:39.590
with Whitney with Heather I don't know what the

01:20:39.590 --> 01:20:41.930
issue is with and with with Meredith and Lisa

01:20:41.930 --> 01:20:46.329
she could say I'm hurt and I'm mad that you are

01:20:46.329 --> 01:20:49.170
afraid of me like if that's how you perceive

01:20:49.170 --> 01:20:52.869
me I'm hurt and I'm mad and she doesn't ever

01:20:52.869 --> 01:20:54.449
get there it's just throwing the glasses it's

01:20:54.449 --> 01:20:56.430
screaming it's storming off it's don't talk about

01:20:56.430 --> 01:20:59.149
Mary and it's always like someone else's problem

01:20:59.149 --> 01:21:02.750
I wish she could take what she did with Sharif

01:21:02.750 --> 01:21:05.369
and translate it to the other girls because I

01:21:05.369 --> 01:21:08.470
think like here's the thing I think this group

01:21:08.470 --> 01:21:10.569
of women it's it's the most beautiful dynamic

01:21:10.569 --> 01:21:12.810
but like when you have someone as volatile as

01:21:12.810 --> 01:21:14.829
Jen Shaw like where you're gonna have drama no

01:21:14.829 --> 01:21:19.829
matter what I don't think you can walk into any

01:21:19.829 --> 01:21:21.710
situation with Jen Shaw and be like oh this is

01:21:21.710 --> 01:21:25.189
gonna be a good day because you know what's coming

01:21:25.189 --> 01:21:27.689
next yeah and you know what the potential is

01:21:27.689 --> 01:21:30.039
you know what the possibility is And I think

01:21:30.039 --> 01:21:33.859
that I agree. I severely wish that she could

01:21:33.859 --> 01:21:37.159
communicate with the other women the same way

01:21:37.159 --> 01:21:39.300
that she communicates with Sharif. But I think

01:21:39.300 --> 01:21:42.460
that it's got something to do with Sharif hangs

01:21:42.460 --> 01:21:46.180
the moon in her sky. And so it kind of leads

01:21:46.180 --> 01:21:49.819
me to believe that. Not specifically at that

01:21:49.819 --> 01:21:52.880
level, but at a high level, she does not respect

01:21:52.880 --> 01:21:55.479
some of these women. And she does not like some

01:21:55.479 --> 01:21:57.279
of these women. And she's not willing to even

01:21:57.279 --> 01:22:03.520
participate in a meaningful and effective conversation

01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:07.439
with these women. And at some level, she can

01:22:07.439 --> 01:22:09.960
do that with Meredith and Lisa. But at no level

01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:12.359
can she do that with Whitney. And at barely any

01:22:12.359 --> 01:22:14.300
level can she do that with Heather. And that

01:22:14.300 --> 01:22:17.000
makes me sad because obviously, like when they

01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:19.350
were in the bathtubs, Whitney and Heather were

01:22:19.350 --> 01:22:22.210
like, we genuinely had the best intentions, which

01:22:22.210 --> 01:22:23.989
I also believe. You said that you fully believe

01:22:23.989 --> 01:22:27.090
that. And I do as well. And Whitney was like,

01:22:27.170 --> 01:22:30.470
I just want you so badly to know that I had every

01:22:30.470 --> 01:22:32.170
intention of just coming to you as a girlfriend

01:22:32.170 --> 01:22:35.430
and being truthful to you. And I can see that

01:22:35.430 --> 01:22:37.649
Whitney and Heather want to be good friends to

01:22:37.649 --> 01:22:42.090
Jen. And I think that Jen just paints them in

01:22:42.090 --> 01:22:46.050
a negative light every time and just doesn't.

01:22:46.439 --> 01:22:48.939
can't show up for being their good friends even

01:22:48.939 --> 01:22:50.939
if they're trying to be her good friends and

01:22:50.939 --> 01:22:55.899
that sucks i agree but yeah there's that this

01:22:55.899 --> 01:22:58.859
was an incredible episode this was this episode's

01:22:58.859 --> 01:23:02.539
gonna have a lot of editing how long is it right

01:23:02.539 --> 01:23:06.500
now um it's an hour and 31 minutes but like i

01:23:06.500 --> 01:23:09.060
mean all all things being equal it's probably

01:23:09.060 --> 01:23:15.180
an hour and Ten. Yeah. An hour. Yeah. But dear

01:23:15.180 --> 01:23:17.220
listener, thank you for listening. Thank you

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for being here. Josh, will you be back? You're

01:23:20.680 --> 01:23:23.539
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01:23:23.539 --> 01:23:26.180
after Christmas. Oh, gorgeous. So then we have

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