Hi, I'm Travis and I'm Taylor and this is bestie
approved. Hello. What's the last song you listened
to? My last song was At the Beach in Every Life
by Gigi Perez. I've been listening to my like
replay 25 on Apple Music and her album was my
top album of the year. And so I've been shuffling
my replay playlist and she was the last one i
listened to cute yeah she's great uh mine was
happened or the steve aoki remix of happen to
me by russell dickerson interesting do you know
the song that's like don't know what happened
last night don't know what happened last week
she gonna hang on i know you've heard this song
you think so it's been all over tiktok forever
I'm almost positive that your TikTok is very
different from my TikTok. OK. I believe that
I've got something crazy going on on my TikTok
that you may not relate to. Probably not. Right.
That's OK. That is OK. I love it for you. What's
on our list this week? We we had a list this
week. We sure did. Here we go. I think first
on the list is Fruity Pebbles. How do you feel
about that? I. First of all, was so proud to
go onto my Instagram and start watching everybody's
stories and just seeing that happen in real time.
But I was also confused because I had just finished
season three where everybody made up. But I've
got lots of things to say. I hate to be a pro
Demi person, but. More power to her. I wish that
my pee tasted like fruity pebbles. I'll tell
you that. So here's the thing about that around
like a talent. I don't care about the act like
that is the last thing I care about. The thing
I take issue with is did you see the story about
like so Whitney Leavitt was on. I was the I don't
think it was the vile files, but it was one a
podcast like that where she was explaining. Like
she said, can I tell this story? And Demi said
yes. And then turned around and like. Like talked
about how bad it hurt her. So like gaslit Whitney
into like telling the story and then used it
as a storyline against Whitney. Wait, that's
the issue I have. I need you to. I'm confused
about what you just said. So Whitney went on
the podcast. So Whitney went on the podcast and
explained that when they were filming season
one of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, that
this was apparently something they all knew about.
And they like Whitney said, hey, can can I tell
this story like it'll be funny, whatever. Like
and that's where like the bag of fruity pebbles
came from in season one. And then. uh dimmy was
like it's so hurtful like whatever like i don't
remember like the exact like parameters of the
story but i do know that like witty thought it
was like free game and dimmy led her to believe
that because dimmy is a little demon monster
right that being said i don't care about the
act like i think the act like far be it for me
to kink shame i think that's totally fine like
if you're two consenting adults god bless more
power to you yeah I do have a problem that Jesse
went as far as to be so angry that she let all
she aired all that out on Instagram. If that
wasn't something that was well known, because
I'll tell you, I didn't know what Fruity Pebbles
was. Right. So I do. I am usually pro Jesse,
but I'm like, that was a little bit messy that
she went and did that. I get where you're coming
from with that. Jesse can do absolutely no wrong
in my eyes, though. Like, I feel like. Because
the thing about Jesse right now is she is being
attacked on a level that like is. Surpasses understanding.
Yeah. And Demi has been at the forefront of that.
Yes. So. I mean, that whole season three was
crazy to follow. Right. And I loved every second
of it. Yes. And I was really surprised when.
Near the end of the season, they all kind of
made up and stuff. But obviously it was either
fake or short lived because now there's all this
drama between Demi and Jesse again. And I just
keep going back and forth on their stories. I
think the problem that you have there is is Jesse
is someone who I believe if she says she forgives
someone, she's done is over. Right. I think Demi,
however, is. She she is not matured emotionally
whatsoever. So I think the issue she's running
into is she says she forgives and then she can't
get past it because it was the same thing with
Taylor. It's the same thing with with Jen. It's
the same thing with. I don't think she was ever
fighting with Whitney, but I mean, it's the same
thing with all of them where she cannot get out
of her own way, which is not great. But for sure.
Here we are. Yeah. Yeah. I. I again hate to be
a pro Demi person, but I love that she's been
joking about it on her story and just really
riding that train. It's like if if I'm going
to be made fun of for it, here's here's some
more fuel to the fire. I will give her that.
Like if you're she's having a fun time with it.
Yeah. If it's going to be something that's out
there, let it be out there. It is what it is.
With that being said, I am still anti Demi and
pro Jesse. Yes. Unless I unless there's things
that I don't know. There's nothing you don't
know. Right. I know too much. I think the problem
with these girls, I was talking to someone about
that. I was I was husband's watching Alice Wives
yesterday. I I think the problem it's not the
problem with these girls. Like, I think the true
fact of the matter with these girls is what you
see is what you get. Like, I don't believe Taylor
Frankie Paul has a Hulu subscription. I believe
like she does not edit who she is at all whatsoever.
I believe like what we're seeing is is very real.
The only two I wouldn't say that about are Demi
and Whitney. Because I think we're getting everything
with the rest of them. Yeah. Maybe Jen. But I
think Jen has gotten better. I think Jen was
just going through a really hard time. But yeah,
the rest of them, I think we know everything.
For sure. Yeah. That was a really fun thing.
That really spiced up my week this week. I'm
happy. I'm really happy. Have you seen how much
50 Cent hates P. Diddy? I have. I saw that on
the notes and I literally have no clue what you're
talking about. I need you to unpack for me. 50
Cent. You know who 50 Cent is? A rapper. Yes,
a rapper. I don't listen to his stuff or ever
have, but I know he's there. He had a lot out
recently. He was super big when I was in like
middle and high school. Right. And he. I don't
know what the interaction was 10 years ago, but
Diddy said something to 50 Cent 10 years ago
that 50 Cent responded with, I will start collecting
information about you now. Like and for 10 years,
he was gathering information and he released
a documentary on Netflix or I think it was Netflix.
I'm pretty sure it was Netflix that about like
there's like an unfiltered Like a previously
unheard confession to something. There's a lot
of information about the freak officers, like
footage that no one's ever seen before. So there's
a lot in there. And 50 Cent is doing interviews.
Number one, he said, I will only do interviews
with channels that are available in prison because
I want Diddy to see this. Two, watching him.
In these interviews is like watching a kid on
Christmas where they I think the interviewer
asked 50 Cent where he was like, what do you
what do you think that he's going to say when
he sees this? And he just is smiling from ear
to ear. And he goes, I think he he's going to
think it's the best or the best documentary he's
ever seen. And it is it is so good because like
50 Cent is someone who. I think a lot of parents
growing like I mean, when I was growing up, like
a lot of parents were like, I don't want my kid
listening to 50 Cent. And like looking back on
it. Yeah, it was his music was pretty explicit.
Like it is what it is. But like it's like now
he's doing the right thing. And like I'm like
looking back on I'm like, I would let my kid
listen to 50 Cent. Like now you're putting all
your eggs in the 50 Cent basket. You're like,
well, now we're going to listen to his whole
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the app. Happy listening. Yeah, you mentioned
when we were talking earlier about when we were
doing the What's Your Last Song, you mentioned
your Apple Music replay. So what's on your 2025
replay? Well, how do we want to get down with
this? Like our top artists, our top songs? However
you want. Now, dear listener, please listen in
on the fact that I have The same artist, singular
artist ever since 2022, when I've actually followed
my replay playlists and all that. I've always,
always, always had Lizzie McAlpine in my top
artist. I don't know who that is. She's perfect,
beautiful, special and amazing. She was my. Top
song, top artist, top album in 2022 and I think
in 2024. And she is my top artist of 2025. Love,
love, love, love. Although I would like to compare
minutes with you because I feel like I do not
like minutes in place because I feel like mine
is very low compared to other people, even though
I feel like I'm listening to music every day.
So like go to your top artist. And tell me two
things, who it is and how many minutes you listened
to that artist. Kesha for 623 minutes. Oh, OK,
fine. Because mine is obviously Lizzie McAlpine.
OK. And I've listened to her for 1900 minutes.
What? I thought that was low compared to other
people. I thought it was really low. OK, so who's
your number two? Is it like a significant drop
in time? Um, not necessarily. No, it's Leve and
she's 1600. OK, so mine's Diplo and it's 330
and then Lady Gaga at 323. Kylie Minogue. My
Apple music is basically calling me the F slur.
Kylie Minogue at 277 minutes. Orville Peck at
273. I love Orville Peck. I that Midnight Ride
song. Are you kidding me? Incredible. Such a
good song with him and Kylie Minogue. And his
voice is just so young. And Diplo, by the way.
He's like that song covers like. Three of my
top five artists. Yeah. Well, what about look
at your top song? How many plays do you have
on your top song? It's Midnight Ride at 83 plays.
OK, because mine is Savannah by Jensen McRae.
And I have 64 plays of that, which I'm kind of
surprised that it's that little. But I would
have thought I had more. Midnight Red, because
I listened to that song like 9000 times. Yeah.
Attention is on there. Hot and Sexy by Zara Larson
is on there. Kesha was my top artist four months
in a row, though. That was really good. I believe
that. I believe that. And I also love it. My
even though I don't perceive my music to be very
alternative, I'm not somebody that's like, oh,
yeah, I listen to alternative. My top genre is
alternative. A lot of the people that I have,
I guess, are considered alternative, which honestly
kind of makes me feel kind of cool. Kind of makes
me feel kind of cool. You're such a cool girl.
I was talking. I was doing Hudson's Watching
Housewives yesterday. And Scott's top genre was
bedroom pop. Have you ever heard of that? No.
What is that? It's like pop that like is something
that like sounds like it could have been created
in someone's bedroom. I listen. I want to say,
yeah, if he likes it, I love it. But I mean,
that sounds like a really cool concept. And I
and I love that that's his top genre. Yeah, I
love that. I actually I think that's kind of
cool. Did you do your YouTube replay from last
year? I barely watched any YouTube, so I didn't
even bother. But tell me about yours. Oh, let
me pull it up here. Oh, while you pull it up,
I will say I did get a comparison between my
top song last year and my top song this year.
And I think that it was really adorable because
my song from last year, it was called. I have
to think about it for a second. So cut out all
this thinking. I can't even think of it. So my
top song last year was from Lizzie McAlpine.
And it was basically a song about having such
a hard time leaving a relationship that is so
terrible and so toxic and so traumatic. And but,
you know, you have to do it. You don't know how
to do it. And this year's song is Savannah by
Jensen McRae, which is basically like you were.
a monster and I hate you and I have such a beautiful
life now and I'm moving on and I'm having everything
I want. And I think that that's such a beautiful
comparison, especially considering the way my
life has been the past couple of years and like
leaving my previous relationship and being in
this new one. And I have. Not just in this relationship,
but being home and having all my friends and
all my family, like I truly and sincerely have
everything I could ever want and need. And I
think that that's really cool to have seen that
transition and that progress through my top songs.
That's beautiful, isn't it? So I went back to
2024 in my my Apple Music replay before we get
into my YouTube replay. Yeah. I listened to Beyonce
for two thousand one hundred seventy two minutes
in twenty twenty four. So maybe like my like
what I thought was like a lot of skewed because
I thought like ten hours of Kesha feels like
a lot. But really, it doesn't feel like that
much now. Yeah, for sure. Apparently, I listened
to heated one hundred and thirteen times in twenty
twenty four. And and I wish you listened to it
more. I probably should have. Well, I was talking
to my sister about her Apple replay yesterday.
Her her listening to her top artist, it was Tate
McRae. She's obsessed with Tate McRae. Of course
she is. It was literally like four times more
than my minutes. Why? Of my top artist. And I'm
like, do you just do you just have headphones
on 24 seven and are just listening? And she's
just like, I just listen when I want. And I'm
like. Is it 24 seven? I mean, it's it's a crit.
So that's why I thought I had a very low amount
of listening to my top things. I don't know.
Do you know who else listens so much as your
mother to music? Because so like I pay for all
of our Apple music because we're all in the same
Apple family. And. Emma is also on our Apple
family, but she listens to Spotify. I don't know
why, but God bless, she's allowed to. She can
make whatever decision she wants. She can do
no wrong. I just assumed that I was really the
only person that used Apple Music in our family.
I was just paying for it. For yourself. I'm pretty
sure it's the same price, whether it's me or
whether it's everyone, because it's a shared
subscription. um, Tanya calls me cause she gets
a new phone and she's like, Hey, I don't, I don't
know my Apple account password. And like, which
is problematic. Cause it's like, that's whatever.
That's either here or there. But she's like,
I don't know what to do with that. My Apple music.
And she's like, I'm leaving for Florida. I don't
know. Yeah. It's just like having a full blown
meltdown. And I was like, I'm so glad that people
are getting used to it. Oh, for sure. And and
I only use I don't know how you feel about Spotify
versus Apple, but I am pro Apple. Like Spotify
confuses me. Can I be so real with you? Spotify
to me. If I it it feels like a college student
thing versus Apple music feels like. grown up
and more refined and i know fundamentally it's
exactly this i think it's the color scheme like
i think that's what it is for me because like
the apps um the apps are i mean they're the the
search functions are different and that's fine
and like the um the like the back end of like
how the music artists are paid is is pretty similar
but like i i i don't i don't I don't think one's
better than the other. I think it's just I just
I feel like Spotify feels like it's for high
schoolers and college students. Yeah, I feel
like it's all down to preference. And in some
people, what I get confused about when it comes
to Spotify is when I want to look up a song or
look up an artist, I don't and I don't know if
this has to do with a free version versus a paid
version. But when I look up a specific song or
a specific artist, it wants to give me things
similar to it. Immediately. And I'm like, no,
I want to listen to this song by this artist.
Spotify has put a lot into the algorithm building,
whereas Apple Music, I think, connects you to
exactly what you want faster and builds off of
what other people have listened to after that.
Yes, because what I like about Apple is I'll
find exactly what I'm looking for much faster,
like you said. And if I want to go to like the.
Just like the home page and go through some of
the playlists that it gives me. I trust the algorithm
of the playlists that they're creating for me.
I I listen to a lot of those playlists that Apple
curates for me. But Spotify just dear listener,
you know where I stand when it comes to Apple
versus Spotify. And you can beat me in the comments
about it. I don't care. But you said you don't
watch YouTube. I. Do watch YouTube, but I've
watched a lot, a lot, a lot less throughout the
past like five years. And I only have a very
I probably only subscribe to 20 different creators
and I watch them whenever I want to. And sometimes
that's like during lunch at school. And otherwise,
it's very few and far between. So you tell me
about your YouTube. I watched 719. So first of
all, I didn't know that YouTube did a recap.
I think this is like a new thing for them. But
I watched 719 channels this year. My number one
channel was Sexy Unique Podcast. So Carrie and
Laura, if you're listening, love you. I'm in
the top 1 % of your viewers. I watched 175 of
your videos this year. That's incredible. Have
you listened to sexy podcast? No. I love them
so much. I believe it. Like I base a lot of my
personality on them. I think Laura and Gary are
probably two of the funniest people on God's
green earth. And then a fun fact for because
they like break it up into like early 2025. You
did this mid 2025. You learned about this late
2025. I learned about podcasting. You don't say.
I hope I learned something to your list. How
do you how do you look it up? Because I think
you just go to your on YouTube, go to like your
profile. And I like it for it showed up like
at the very top for me. But now it's gone because
I think I've looked at it. I don't think it wants
to show anything for me, which is kind of sad
because I would be willing to because I have
watched some stuff. But anyways. Well, I love.
That you're learning about podcasting. Love.
Thank God you do. Or else this would be a little
difficult. Probably. Are we complaining? Yeah.
What are you complaining about today? I even
have a new thing that's not on the list. Tell
me. So I, my boyfriend and I have been doing
a lot of selling on Facebook Marketplace. First
problem. Okay. Second of all, second problem
is I have a huge bone to pick with the people
that want to converse with us and then just stop
the conversation. And I'll let me actually tell
you a specific. So last I would say this past
Tuesday, I was talking to a woman. We'll call
her Judy. Judy. We were talking to Judy and Judy
wants some of my beaded bracelets so bad. I have
real like gemstone beaded bracelets. I have like
eight of them. Judy wants them for her granddaughter
so bad, but she lives in Greenfield. So she was
like, is there any way you can ship them to me?
And I'm like, oh, like, I'm sure it's easy to
figure out, but I don't want to do shipping.
Like, I just want to like pick up or meet up
or whatever. So I was like, well, how do you
feel about maybe meeting me in Fairland or close
to Fairland? Because I visit my granny and papa
sometimes. And she's like, yeah, let's absolutely
do that. Let's meet off of this exit at five
o 'clock. And I'm like, perfect. I'll do that.
That was for today. Today, as we are recording,
I was supposed to meet Judy at five o 'clock.
What I do is I confirm the morning of. I say,
hey. Just wanted to confirm and see if five o
'clock still works for you today, Judy. I got
my bracelets for you, baby. I send her that nine
o 'clock. No answer. I wait until about three
o 'clock and I'm like, hey, I really want to
confirm the plans before committing to them.
So please let me know when you can, if you're
still interested. And to this moment, I still
don't have a response from Judy. So imagine if
I had just not confirmed and I just thought in
my head, well, Judy said five o 'clock today.
And then I went to this exit on this at this
gas station and I waited for 10, 20, 30 minutes
waiting for Judy to show up. And I think that's
like we're all adults. Just if you're not going
to meet me. If you're not going to meet me, tell
me you changed your mind. I'm not going to be
heard about it. But what I am heard about is
if I go to meet you at a place in a at a location
at a certain time and you don't show up, that's
going to make me mad. And thankfully, I'm the
kind of person that's like, well, if you're not
confirming with me, I'm not going. So I didn't.
From my understanding. So I've sold. I've either
sold or given something away on Facebook Marketplace
like one time when I was moving out of Solana.
And I don't remember if I sold it or gave it
away because it's been years. But that, as far
as I'm concerned, was a lovely transaction. It
was like this Ikea like bookshelf thing that
I was like, I don't feel like moving this. Like,
it's fine, whatever. And then I think I ended
up just like giving it to the guy when he like
tried to pay me. And I was like, please just
take it. But apparently my. scenario is very
unique and that there were no issues and everyone
was lovely and like there wasn't like something
strange going on i like because from my understanding
facebook marketplace is like the third circle
of hell it feels like it i'm sorry like it sounds
so miserable and awful it's so well i think that
what makes it so miserable and awful is nobody
knows how to act Nobody knows how to treat each
other. It's the same problem with like customer
service these days where like the customers are
awful. The people are awful. The people selling
are awful. And I just think it's crazy because
if we have to use this technology to communicate
back and forth and if you want an item from me,
I would expect a response. And if it's just like
a. Hey, is this still available? And I say, yes,
are you interested? And then you never respond
to me again. That's not going to hurt my feelings.
But like if we commit to a date and a time and
I put you in my calendar and I put you in my
planner and I'm expecting to shift my day around
making sure that I'm at a mire in this town at
this time, the least that you can do if you're
not interested and be like, hey, just wanted
to let you know, I'm not going to be buying this.
It's so annoying. It is. I mean, I mean, First
world problems, whatever. But it's still annoying,
though. It's still valid that it's annoying.
It is. And it's yeah. So that's one thing that
I have to complain about. So you give me something
to complain about. I am going to complain about
the constant. tiktok ads that pop up for this
one very like this is a trend with like new apps
now that are only out there to steal your data
but there is one in particular that's like it's
called like truth seek or seek truth or something
like that where it's like a girl in her car crying
and this is every single video that is is advertising
this out and it's like i i looked up his name
and i found everything i didn't want to know
and like i've blocked every single one of these
accounts because they're i'm like it's there
are like 9 000 of them i've blocked every single
one of them and it just keeps coming up and like
i've gotten to the point where like i've started
reporting every one of these ads because i'm
like at some point like i understand that like
these it's this it's the same thing with meta
it's the same thing with instagram it's the same
thing with uh twitter where if you're using the
free version of twitter where you're not paying
for the premium version if you're using instagram
on any level if you're using tiktok it is harvesting
your data and i understand that you're that's
part of the game like i i get that and like i
The ethics behind that, that's that's a conversation
for another day. But like this truth seek thing,
I feel like is a little more predatory because
it's it's. It's like preying on the insecurities
that people have in relationships. And it's like,
well, what am I going to find out there? And
you're not going to find anything like I want
to I want to start here. You will not find anything
because it's all behind. I'm assuming a paywall,
just like all of these websites are where you
type in a name and it's like I'm going to give
you like. The first and last name, this person
might be 27 years old. This person might live
like in the zip code. Do you want to know more?
Pay for this. And then they get you on a subscription.
You keep paying, paying, paying, paying. I have
to tell you, I think that's so predatory and
gross. But like the the back end of it is it's
all harvesting your data. And I don't like I
just keep blocking them. Yeah, I have a similar
problem right now, but it's. Now, my problem
is with TikTok shop because the constant ads
that I'm getting. Well, I don't even know if
they're ads at this point, but it's content creators
advertising specific products that you can buy
on TikTok shop. And I had the displeasure of
having a momentary lapse of judgment when I saw
this automatic screwdriver thing where it's like
a screwdriver. I forget. I don't know what it's
called. I know exactly what you're talking about.
I bought one. I bought it on Amazon, but go ahead.
I was like, OK, I genuinely want that because
with all this selling on Facebook marketplace,
Todd and I have also been like replacing things
that we sell with better things. And we had to
build up. coffee table recently and my god i
could not twist anything for the life of me it
was so difficult i don't know if it was my nails
or just like the tiny little like l -shaped thing
that they always give you it's just too difficult
it's called an allen wrench go ahead an ellen
wrench allen allen wrench thank you um it was
so difficult and i was like oh i would do anything
for like an actual like drill or like that's
exactly why i bought mine go ahead exactly so
i was like i wonder how much that cost i did
go to the tiktok shop link i clicked on it i
saw that i saw the price i'm like maybe someday
when i tell you i had eight videos in a row eight
videos in a row one two three four five six seven
eight of that ad with the screwdriver and a couple
of them were different like different creators
advertising it whatever i don't know i don't
care i had it eight times in a row and i've had
it every single time i've opened tiktok since
then i get the same thing for there it's uh two
things that i that i constantly get it for one
because i've purchased it on the tiktok shop
the bradley thorne candle or the thorne bradley
you know who that is the guy that's always chopping
wood No, but I love the idea of that. He's so
hot. He's so beautiful. I love him. Thorne Bradley,
if you're listening, love you. I bought his candle
and now all I get are like creators like advertising
his candle. The other one is like this company
called called Real Men's Apparel, where like
it's underwear, like in the way they advertise
it is very strange to me. But like, I'm glad
we've moved away from this trend of like. They'll
get on there like someone is definitely getting
fired from this company because this deal is
not supposed to be like whatever. Like, I'm so
tired of hearing that. So, look, I'm glad we've
gotten away from that. But like, I think this
speaks to a larger problem that we're seeing
on TikTok of like. I think the creator fund has
like dried up a little bit. So like this is where
a lot of creators are like finding revenue is
because they can't. get it anywhere else I I
don't know and I don't know that I care because
like get your bag whatever but like it does get
exhausting when you're like it is pushed to you
constantly now I've only bought I think two things
on TikTok shop before and that was years after
it even became a thing because I knew from the
moment that TikTok shop became a thing that I
was gonna hate it that I hated all of the ads
from TikTok shop and I'm telling you if there
was If there was a way that I could pay for a
premium subscription of TikTok where I never
receive a TikTok shop ad again or some way that
I never even have the TikTok shop option, I would
pay any dollar amount for it. So you say that,
but like the issue you run into is like it's
the Netflix model issue that you're running into
where Netflix had for the longest time. if they
didn't have a free version they had a version
that was like dirt cheap and then you had a premium
version and then you had like a premium plus
version like whatever that iteration is and like
they are not making enough money on the premium
models to like support like the loss in ad revenue
from the lower end model. So they keep raising
the price of Netflix. And like I'm I'm going
to tell you right now, that is the first thing
that will happen to TikTok is like the price
will keep increasing because like they're the
the ad revenue that comes into TikTok is astonishing.
Like I believe it's and it's it's the same thing
with like third party affiliates is where the
views are enough to like support it and like.
Because it's the same thing with with like YouTube
or whatever, where like I pay for the premium
version of YouTube for all of us. And if like
I don't get ads because like I cannot handle
the constant ads. But what Google has done very
well is like they have not pushed the premium
version so far, like so far to like compensate
for the the loss in ad revenue. But on the Bestie
approved YouTube, where I don't realize I'm logged
into the Bestie approved one. The number of ads
that I see pop up on there is so exhausting because
it's I mean, it's like every 30 seconds. Yeah.
So I don't know what the answer is, but like
I do know that like and you I think you put this
in your complaint, like we've gotten so far into
consumerism and capitalism that. It's like we
can't find our way out. Uh huh. I need to find
a way out because I'm also in this kind of. This
space in my life where I'm trying to prioritize
quality things over like a cheap priced thing.
I like I'm trying to make sure that I don't wear
any polyester anymore. I don't want to wear polyester.
It's not good. It's itchy. It's bad. It's whatever.
It's terrible for the environment. It's terrible
for the environment. So I'm trying to make. make
room for things that are better material better
quality and all these things and I that also
leads into we have so much what is it called
fast fashion oh Emma and I have talked about
this like the first of all fast fashion is one
of the worst things that ever happened to the
environment but like also on the other side of
that one of the worst things that could have
happened to the fashion industry in general because
like it's Like on one hand, it does make fashion
more accessible. I will I will give I will give
the concept that but like that's all I can give
it is because I mean, like if you look at like
some of these like garbage islands that are out
like floating in the middle of the ocean, a lot
of it is like clothes that were just never worn.
It's that bad. Yeah, it's it's just like like
what you were talking about. Like we've gone.
way too far and how are we supposed to get out
of it like there's a million ads how am i supposed
to escape it there's so much to buy and so much
influence and and obviously like i'm a victim
of it i get influenced all the time but i and
there's just no solution to the problem i think
there is a solution because you've seen what's
going on with um oh what is this girl's name
hang on it's like lily something Hang on. Jaclyn
Hill. Have you seen what's going on with Jaclyn
Hill right now on TikTok? I think I saw something
recently. I saw one video where apparently her
fans say that she's out of touch. Yes. OK, so
the issue is, is like so she gets on and I mean,
all of her content is. consumerism like and if
that's if that's your thing great like I because
I'm gonna be honest I'm probably one of the worst
people about it like when it comes to shopping
like and it's like your mom's bad about it our
granny's bad about it our aunt Tina's really
bad about like this is just how we're wired and
like Bailey's probably she's gotten much better
about it than like we have but like I think we
all have to some degree um Like the consumerism
bug, right? Yeah. And that is what it is. And
I personally do need to get better about that,
too. But what the issue with Jaclyn Hill is,
is like that's all her content is. It's like,
look at my multimillion dollar house in Los Angeles.
Look at this handbag that is as much as someone's
salary in a year, for instance. Look at look
at this 20 person dining table that I have with
like custom wine bottles for everyone. And like
it's. It's gotten to the point where I think
she has like four million followers on TikTok
and one of her recent videos got like 30 ,000
views. And she says, well, what am I doing wrong?
What am I doing wrong? And like they're saying,
I can't afford groceries right now. Like this
is this is a big part of the problem. Right.
And like instead of saying, hey, I'm hearing
you, I'm listening, which to be fair to her,
I think she made a video a couple of days later
saying, hey, I want to listen like I'm in a.
better place to listen now but like in the beginning
it was I'm that's not the problem the problem
I do giveaways I talk about dupes all the time
and I'm like babe like you gotta like if the
call is coming from inside the house you gotta
listen do you know so I think you're what you're
what we're getting at here though is like you
have to be mindful about like this this idea
of consumerism because like what you're saying
is is absolutely true like there has to be quality
over like over cheap quantity but like it doesn't
have to be expensive and it doesn't have to be
um it doesn't have to be a louis vuitton duffel
bag it like it can be like a really good underarm
like you see what i'm saying it's like it doesn't
all have to be like the brands brands brands
brands brands that's i think the issue for sure
i i wish that there was something clear and transparent
worth of a solution to this kind of thing. And
I think there's just so many variables to it
that it just gets all muddled. And then, I mean,
the whole consumerism concept is so overwhelming
anyways. And so, you know what my solution is
actually? My solution is throw my phone out into
the ocean. Okay. That's step one. Step two is,
um, Erasing any evidence that I was ever here
on this earth. That's step two. Step three is
build a cottage in the woods and garden for my
food and my resources. And just live in the woods.
Live in the woods and garden and frolic. That's
a very ethereal idea that I think you could pull
off that I know I couldn't. Sure. Do you know
what I do believe, though? Yes, what? What would
be fun for like two weeks is to like and I like
this all obviously revolves around meeting a
guy that I'd want to do this with. But like living
in a van for like two weeks or like an RV and
like we're just driving across the country and
like we like stop at a at like not the Grand
Canyon because like that place like it makes
me feel uncomfortable. But like like a mountain
or a beach or something and we go and like it's
cool. But two weeks is like my max limit on that.
I. I agree. I think that's a lot. I think that
as long as it's a generally OK RV, that that
is something very doable. I'm really excited
for this year. Todd and I have started planning
on little trips like we did a lot of trips this
year. And I'm like, well, we need to downsize
the amount of trips a little bit, but. Still
have fun. We're going to start doing little things
out west, like go to Colorado. I think that would
be so fun. I know. I would love to do more of
that out west. I've never done that. And I would
also like to go. We're going to go to Oregon
at some point because we have a teacher from
high school that we're still really close to.
And he's specifically very close to. And we're
going to go visit her and her family out there.
I would love to go to Maine. I would love to
do that. Maine is east. It is. Yes. Okay. I am
switching gears. Don't worry. I am switching
gears. That was a rough transition. I would love
to go to Maine. Do you know who else is obsessed
with Maine? Who? Amy, my stepmom. Really? Yeah.
It's like she loves lighthouses and like it's
like a whole thing for her. That's really endearing.
Yeah. That's a sweet thing. Yeah. That would
be really cool. We're going to do a bunch of
other stuff too, but it's going to be. a little
bit less i'm we're going to hawaii in a couple
weeks i'm so excited i'm so excited i just have
no clue what i'm gonna wear because i've never
been to hawaii and i don't know what the weather's
gonna be but it'll be really nice i've never
been and it's gonna be so sweet you'll have fun
yeah i'm gonna try to be extremely respectful
about it because i don't want to be like that
stereotypical tourist that doesn't like respect
the land. And that is just kind of a nuisance.
I want to be the opposite of that if it's possible.
I want to learn so much. I want to appreciate
so much. I want to see all the beautiful things
and appreciate it and disrespect absolutely nobody.
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You ready for reality roundup? Yes. OK. Yes,
yes, yes, yes. I, dear listener, I have two pages
of notes. I'm so happy. I and I didn't even need
these notes. But it's something that brings me
a lot of joy to take notes and to make sure that
I'm writing down not just what happens, but my
reactions. I do. Oh, I know you do. Oh, I know
you do. So this is season one, episode 10 of
Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and Hot Water.
It's probably one of the more iconic ones because
I when no one knew what the Real Housewives of
Salt Lake City was, you get this like this image
of Jen Shaw in the like bathtub splashing and
like screaming. Yes. This is kind of. This is
really one of the ones that put it on the map.
It's like I think that's like the first memory
I have of like seeing Real Housewives of Salt
Lake City. That's amazing. But. We start out
at Jen's house. Jen's acting like the victim
for the way she acted at Sharif's birthday. And
we find out Sharif isn't talking to Jen at the
moment. So she gets up and she's like, this is
the scene where like, because I haven't watched
this in a couple of weeks since I took these
notes. This is where she's like getting up and
making the bed and the whole thing, right? Yes.
Okay. Yeah. Like on one hand, I can understand
how Jen's feeling right now because everyone
has been in that place of. I cannot believe the
way I acted. I'm so embarrassed. I'm such a nightmare.
God, I hate myself. That's not what Jen's feeling
right now, though. Jen is fully saying this is
someone else's fault. It's Whitney's fault that
Sharif isn't speaking to me. Yes. But. It's something
that I simply can't subscribe to. And I think
that Heather did say it best, which kind of counteracts
what you just said. But Heather said it best
where she's like. So yes, Jen is in the wrong
right now, but you have to give her a little
bit of empathy. Like her marriage is in turmoil,
all these things. And like, should she feel absolutely
embarrassed for the way that she acted at that
party? 100%. Do I, as the audience member, feel
really bad that Sharif isn't talking to her?
Yes, I do feel bad. But is it for no reason that
Sharif is talking to her? Absolutely not. I fully
agree with. Like Sharif needed time to process
and to figure out how he's feeling and to not
be in her vicinity so so soon so that he doesn't
blow up on her. Yes. So that yes, I can get behind
that. Like the thing this is where I struggle
with Jen a little bit because it's like I get
where you're coming from. I get like I get that
like the situation with you and Sharif right
now is really, really bad. Right. like you and
like yeah it's it's hard that Whitney brought
that to you at like because here's the thing
I can say two wrongs don't make a right right
I I don't think Whitney should have brought that
to Jen at Sheree's birthday party and like if
I'm being 100 % honest I can blame the January
6th woman like I can still blame that January
6th woman because there you go because she's
the one who suggested all of it but for And Jen,
to like be that reactive, I'm like, at some point
you have to say, I don't care what the situation
is. I'm going to remove myself from it, especially
in situations like this, where it is like the
stakes are that high. That's just all there is
to it. I literally want to take what you've said
and I want to read one of my notes that I wrote
down today. Please. I think that if Jen wanted
this party to work out and be all about Coach
Shaw, she would have pulled a Meredith and disengaged.
Because Meredith is always like, I am disengaged.
Well, I think that's what she should have done.
I agree. And I think that's what Meredith on
some level was trying to do, because Meredith,
I like even this early on, I think was like,
I can see what's coming from a mile away. I'm
I'm backing away slowly and I'm not doing this.
Yeah, it's it's a really difficult situation
because it's like say say the thing that I had
you say earlier about actions and reactions.
Oh, you can. You can't control other people's
actions. You can only control your reactions.
Yes. And I think that if the party and if the
concept behind the party was important enough
and heavy enough for Jen Shaw, that she would
have taken what Whitney had said and been like,
OK, so I see that this is happening and I'm really
getting annoyed about it. I have to walk away
and I have to truly make this about him. And
I need to disengage from this conversation. I'd
be like, let's talk about this later. I want
to focus on my husband. And she did not do that.
And she doesn't have very good reactions to things.
And that's a big, fat problem of hers. Yes. And
it continues to be a problem throughout the episode.
Well, throughout. The entire show. Throughout
all of time for the rest of her life and then
some. But then we get Whitney going to Beauty
Lab and they're unpacking the disaster that was
Sharif's party. And then Whitney says she has
good intentions and she was just trying to be
a good friend to Jen, which I do buy this from
Whitney. What I will say about Whitney is that
I. I wholeheartedly believe what you see is what
you get. And sometimes it's messy. Sometimes
it's not the right time. Sometimes it is rough
around the edges. But I do believe, A, that it
always comes from a place of like having good
intentions. And B, it is always coming from a
very genuine place. I completely agree. And the
part that I didn't love is that she found a way
to blame this on the other women jumping in.
And she she did that a couple of times. And I
had written something down, too, where I'm like,
honey. You think that it went downhill when all
the girls jumped in. It went downhill because
you couldn't spit it out and say coherently.
She was wasted. And I'm like, it's your it is
your fault that you couldn't get the thoughts
out. Not because the girls were jumping in and
adding their own things, because you wouldn't
spit it out because you were drunk. Yes, girl.
You were drunk as a skunk and you couldn't you
couldn't dish it out. Like also just say that.
Just say like, hey, I I could not piece. a string
of thought together because I was wasted. Just
say that. And like, I'll buy that a little bit
more than like it's absolutely it's Meredith
and it's Lisa's fault because like and Heather
Whitney was blaming Heather. I didn't like that
because like Heather was trying to be the catalyst
to like make the conversation out. Heather, by
the way, was also wasted like this. This wasn't
any of their best episodes. I'm just going to
be super real because like none of them came
off like being. the good guy in any scenario
yeah but lord have mercy it was unbearable yeah
um heather says that she feels like jen wants
to be associated with lisa and meredith because
like they're like she considers them to be like
better people right that i this is like i think
a result of the show trying to find its footing
where in the beginning i think the show was built
around either Jin or Lisa or Jin and Lisa. And
I feel like because you can see like people gravitating
towards those two more than anyone else. And
like part of it probably is like the personality
and like the like larger than life thing of it.
But like I have to assume that like the show
is being built around them because. Like. To
keep coming back to the chaos that is like Jen
Shaw after Cherie's birthday party, after Meredith's
birthday party, after the luncheon, after all
of this, like it kind of says like, oh, they
felt like they had to keep coming back. Like
that's that's just how I feel about it. I get
that. And it made me really sad that Heather
and maybe I'm jumping forward a little bit, but
this whole concept of Heather being very. Open,
like in the confessional specifically about if
I'm not the go along girl, somebody is going
to drop me like that. And that makes me so sad
because obviously it is such PTSD from her previous
relationship. And from the Mormon church. And
from the Mormon church, of course. And I just
feel like. a lot of sympathy for heather where
she wants everybody to be happy and i'm i'm this
kind of person too where i want everybody to
be happy i want everybody to get along you want
a nice bow on everything you want everything
to be okay and i also want everybody to like
me too as much as that's like kind of conceited
to admit or something. I like being liked and
I like what I like being wanted. And I hate the
idea that Heather has such a huge example of
how that's not true for her because that's how
it is perceived. Like her husband left her when
she set one boundary. And I think it is really
sad that she's like, I feel like Jen would drop
me. at any second if it meant that she could
be best friends with lisa and meredith yeah i
just think it's sad i think it's sad too but
i think the difference between someone like you
and someone like heather gay and i think heather
has gotten a lot better about this as time has
gone on it's like she's distanced herself from
the church from like the the fallout of her marriage
from honestly from jen shaw too um but this didn't
used to be this way heather would be the like
get along girl at the detriment of herself you
don't like let it destroy your life your relationship
and the things around you where I think at some
point Heather did because she felt like she had
to and I hate that for her because like she is
one of these people that you look at she has
so much to offer and I'm like if you could just
see that like that you you would have and she
does like that's the thing is like once she like
learned how to kind of like live in her light
She's got the world eating out of the palm of
her hand. Absolutely. And I had even noted it
in my notes that she has made so much progress
between, say, last episode to the end of the
season where she's like, you know what? If you're
going to be mean to me, if you're not going to
accept all that I have to offer and you want
to discredit it or discount it or diminish it
in any way, screw you. I don't I don't need you
in my life anymore. And I think that that's really
big of her. And I would also be very. willing
and interested to like read her books. And I
think I even saw that she has something on some
sort of TV subscription to called Bad Mormon.
So she's got Bad Mormon and Good Time Girl were
the two books she wrote. They're both very, very
good. I've read both of them. Bad Mormon is probably
my favorite of the two. And then she's got. Did
you ever watch the Scientology show like that
Leah Romney hosted? For sure, I did. So Heather.
I think it's called Bad Woman also, but it's
it's kind of the same concept where it's unpacking,
like leaving the church and like what that's
done to people. It's a three part series. It's
on Peacock. That's what it was. That's what I
saw. OK, so, yes, I really want to watch that.
It's very good. It is, I think, especially for
people like us that grew up in not the Mormon
church, but like the Nazarene church does have
a lot of parallels there. I think it'll be very
triggering. Yikes. But I think it's a good show.
Well, yeah, I'm really I I agree that Heather
has got so much going for her. And I'm really
proud of the progress that I've seen only watching
season one. So I can only imagine the kind of
progress she's made over the years. Oh, yeah.
So that's great. That's my Heather tangent. We
go over to Whitney. Face tying Mary to make sure
that she understood exactly what Mary said. And
this all kind of revolves around. Mary told Whitney
that Lisa and Meredith both separately said they
are afraid of Jen. I. I don't buy. I don't buy
that Meredith said I'm afraid of Jen at all.
I buy that. Lisa said, I'm afraid of, not I'm
afraid of, but like, I can't handle the like,
the blow ups and the theatrics of all. I'll buy
that Lisa Barlow said that. I don't believe she
said, I'm afraid of Jen. And I think if Meredith
said any semblance of anything, it's something
similar to what I think Lisa said of like, I
can't handle this. Cause like they're both, there
are two people that cannot engage in this idea
of like, I need you to calm down. Like you have
to like stop. Right. At this point in the episode,
I also had to pause and I had to think to myself,
OK, so who is lying or where was the truth shifted?
Because I don't because now that Mary has now
that Whitney has clarified with Mary what Mary
had said, I don't think that Whitney is lying.
Whitney was told something. Yes. So that's either
Mary lying, Lisa lying or Meredith lying or some
combination of the three. I still believe that.
I don't think Mary would say something that's
untrue. I think that she's too old and too grown
to have the desire to say something that isn't
true. And she's been saying it up, down, left
and sideways throughout the season that she's
just going to say it how it is. So what I will
buy is that. mary heard lisa and meredith say
whatever they said and she heard what she wanted
to hear she heard because like i i know that
mary does not like jen like that is that has
been well established right i think she heard
i can't handle this blow up thing she took that
and ran with it and said Oh, you're afraid of
her. Like, you're afraid of the blowups. You're
afraid of this. And like, I'll buy that she believed
that, too. And then she relayed that information
to Whitney. And the recurring theme with Whitney
is she's the one that you hand the ball to. And
Whitney runs with the ball. So I think Mary probably
knew what she was doing when she let Whitney
know that information. Yeah. Because I believe
Whitney believed that to be the truth. And I
believe Mary said that's. I believe that's what
you meant. You know what I mean? And that makes
sense because I also thought to myself, I don't
think that Meredith and Lisa have any reason
to lie about their feelings with Jen because
kind of in parallel to what Heather was saying,
I do perceive Meredith and Lisa to be very special,
very like highly acclaimed, very classy, very
chic, very, very high up. in this like hierarchy
of real housewives. And I would imagine that
they don't have any reason to lie. They don't
have any reason to even be afraid, quote unquote,
of Jen. I'm not saying that they're better than
Jen and I'm not saying they're better than Mary
or Whitney or anything like that, but they're
very. very confident women they're very comfortable
in their thoughts and their feelings and they
also think very highly of themselves which is
great right that's that's a compliment so this
whole time i'm like grappling with who where
where did the truth turn into a lie and now that
you were saying all of this it does sound like
it's got to be mary mary mary mary girl mary
um Meredith and Seth go to dinner with Lisa and
John and we get the like Meredith and Seth sharing
that they're starting a new beginning. And I
think like that's really beautiful that a that
they were like able to be honest about this,
because I think, number one, having your marriage
fall apart like or start like be rocky is a scary
place to be. Having it happen on. A brand new
reality show in front of the world is a much
scarier place to be. And I think rebuilding it
has to be a very vulnerable place to be. And
I'm very impressed that they were like kind of
able to get to this place. But then we get into
how. Jen had been talking about Seth and Meredith's
marriage and. Like. This is one of those things
where I'm like, OK, I will buy that you didn't
want your marriage talked about. But like at
some point you're putting yourself on reality
TV, you're putting this all out there like I
think it's going to be talked about. But like
I do agree with Meredith, I don't like the way
Jen went about it. But at some point, I think
that you're if you're in for a penny, you're
in for a pound with this reality TV game. That
is true. And. Maybe it's just got to be one of
those things about like it's a reality TV show.
Let's make somebody the bad guy for this scene
and or this episode or whatever. But I do understand
that. How do I want to say this? I like what
you said about it just being incredibly vulnerable
because divorce. as a concept is extremely vulnerable.
And at times, people can feel embarrassed about
it, ashamed about it. And it would be at a different
level, also incredibly vulnerable to consider
divorce, like going through a separation and
seeing if divorce is the right thing. And then
turning around and being like, No, we can actually
fix this. Because people are always going to
have perceptions of your relationships. And Whether
you in in Meredith's case, like she's sharing
a lot, not just with the world, but also to her
close friends. And if we're looking at this from
an audience perspective and we're not considering
the fact that it is a reality TV show, 100 percent,
Jen Shaw did the wrong thing by being like, you'll
just have to ask Meredith. Yes, this is what
I'm hearing. But you'll just have to ask her.
But that is a really interesting perspective
that you've opened up. That's like, can you be
so mad when you're sharing it on national television
on a highly acclaimed reality show? And to be
fair to Meredith, because I'll give her this
one. Season one of Real Housewives of Salt Lake
City, they had no idea where they were going
to be. Like, I'll buy that. Like, this was all
very, very new for them. So I can give Meredith
a pass for being upset about it, for feeling
some type of way about it, because. This was
all still very it was very new territory to them.
I'll give her that. And it's also when we see
all of these friend dynamics, we saw from the
very beginning of this season that Meredith and
Jen were like top notch best friends, like having
sleepovers, doing all these things, throwing
$80 ,000 birthday parties on Lisa Barlow's birthday.
By the way, I had no clue about that. Yeah. So
that's crazy. But they were best friends. And
so, like, why are you saying things like that
to other people about your best friend? Like,
have a little bit of decorum. Have a little bit
of respect for your friend. Yes. It's crazy.
Whitney, Heather and Jen go to a spa in the middle
of nowhere. And then we get a flashback of Whitney
calling Jen to apologize. I didn't like. The
way this conversation went down, because I think
if someone apologizes to you, you either have
to accept it or not. Like in the way that Jen
was so like, yeah, fine, I'll go. Yeah, I'll
go to the spot. Like it just it felt icky to
me. Well, I when I rewatched the episode this
morning, I had honestly felt like I bet there
could have been more to that conversation. Like
I bet there was and it was just cut. I'm hoping
that that's what happened, because I felt the
same way where Whitney every. time she apologizes
i feel like it's genuine yes and so when jen
shaw was just like fine i'll go i was like it
was a little bit ew yeah um but then i was like
well maybe that was like a 10 second clip of
a flashback where that phone call could have
been like upwards of 20 minutes long who knows
that's what i'm hoping maybe but of course we
already knew that going into this jen still didn't
like whitney right and still had a problem with
her and didn't Like had high expectations for
the spa thing, like if you're going to apologize
to me, it better be a 24 karat face mask. It
better be this, that and the third, which I also
thought was really funny that Jen was so disgusted
by this place. I wrote down in my notes like
I would do anything. I'd pay any money to be
at this cool little hippy dippy spa. Oh, yeah.
And be sitting in these rocks that are bathtubs.
Yeah. With hot water in nature. in the fresh
air and all of the canyons i i assume i don't
know i would do anything so me and jen are just
not alike i wrote down the same thing where i
i would love to be in one of these hot hot spring
hot tub things but like so okay so you get the
you get the visual of like them driving out there
and you and i think whitney says it at one point
um i'm i'm I brought us out to the middle of
nowhere. So Jen could not storm off. And like,
and that really just illustrates how big of a
problem that has been. Cause like, I think I
said it to Emma. We're like, we've seen it four
or five times, but like, I wonder how much, cause
like, I think Heather Dubrow said like, it's
for every eight hours that we film one hour makes
it to air. So like, you have to assume that there
are like hours on the cutting room floor of,
Jen just storming off or like having a meltdown
that we haven't seen. So like I like they're
all conditioned to it in a way that like we think
it's entertaining, but like they're exhausted
by it. So yeah, when he brings you out in the
middle of nowhere, you're you can't storm off.
And I don't love that she did this again. But
when he starts to apologize and she's blaming
the other women for the derailing of the conversation.
I know. I know. It kind of makes you grit your
teeth a little bit. It's like everybody in the
room. Everybody in these tubs can take a little
bit of accountability. Right. For sure. But what
Jen, I did appreciate. She explains like she
does a very good job of explaining the party
was such a big deal to her. Yes. And I get her
being upset, just like not to the extent of.
Where she took it and then she has a complete
inability to take accountability past that. And
then she has to melt down and says that Whitney
pushed her to throw the glass. I know this is
a problem that I have with Jen 24 seven is that
she will. say what is wrong she'll say how she's
feeling and then instead of looking inward and
being like okay did I do anything to make myself
feel this way or is there anything that's happened
in my past to make me feel this way or what were
my actions did I do anything to alleviate the
situation and instead of doing all those things
she deflects and she Says it is your fault that
I threw the glass. Baby, it is not Whitney's
fault that you threw the glass. You are in control
of your reactions, your actions and your reactions.
And Jen just never she can't comprehend that.
She she constantly wants to blame other people
for the bad things that she does. She knows that
she does the bad things. She's embarrassed about
it. I believe that she's fully embarrassed. I
agree. But. She will continue to blame everybody
else for the way that she acts. You have to fix
how you react. You have to because you just look
emotionally immature. You look you look ridiculous.
And and honestly, it comes to a point where I
honestly feel a little bad for Jen because it's
like you're already at your grown age. You're
already at your grown age. How are you going
to fix this now? Right. How are you going to
work on this now? Probably prison. I hope. I
hope. So it is sad. And I liked that at some
point Whitney fully took accountability. But
it came to a point where Heather was like. You
just need to give her what she wants to hear
in order to alleviate this. Yes. It's like talking
to a child. Well, and that's exactly what I wrote
in my notes, too. But before that, you get. the
famous scene of Jen splashing the cameras. And
it's like, it's funny that this happens immediately
after not, she's saying it's your, you pushed
me to, you pushed me to throw the glass. She
splashes the cameras. The producer says, Jen,
why'd you do that? And she goes, that's what
happens when you film me in a bathtub. It's always
someone else's fault. It's the exact same thing
about the glass. And then how crazy. like and
that's the thing it's like oh you just can't
do it like you simply can't do it and then like
heather does something where and i immediately
recognized what heather was doing because our
papaw has done this i've seen huck do this i've
seen tina do this i've seen a lot of people in
our family do this where it's like it's my fault
it's my fault like just make it go away and I
feel bad that Heather did that because she takes
all the blame for everything. She says it was
bad timing on her part. And that was the problem.
And then Heather ends up telling Jen that she's
terrified of losing the friendship with her.
And that broke my heart. It did. Yeah, I agree.
It's what did I write down? It's like the things
that we said before that Heather is terrified
of. setting boundaries with people and so she's
willing to just let people walk all over her
or treat her however they want to treat her and
it's just so sad and again I'm really glad that
she's made the progress that I've currently seen
having only just watched season one but from
episode nine to episode whatever before the reunion
I've seen that progress but this is like the
beginning of that progress where she just wants
this to be fixed so bad and that's also a really
sad place and that's where me as a person I sit
in that place a lot where if something is wrong
I just want everybody to be happy I just want
everybody to get along I just want everything
to be fixed and I'll do anything to make it fixed
even at like my own detriment and so in a lot
of ways Heather's become kind of one of my favorites
because not only do I see a little bit of myself
in her but I also see um how strong and how capable
she becomes in this throughout this season not
just with with like her beautiful business that
turns out so well by the end of the season and
all these things but that she is able to be like
you know I'm allowed to make boundaries yeah
and if you have a problem with it I'd rather
you step out yeah I'd rather you go and she just
holds a lot more value in herself later on and
I'm excited for her to get there. But right now
it's just sad. It is. It's sad. Lisa hosts a
dinner in a yurt. Whatever. I can see her being
like, this is such a good idea, John. This is
going to be really good for Vita Tequila. John,
I can't wait for you to hear about this idea
that I have. Look at this idea. I don't want
to hear your opinion, but I have a really good
idea. John, I love it. Yeah. But she has dinner
in a yurt. Meredith is the only other house right
there, but we meet Angie Harrington. And Angie
Harrington is someone who's always been really,
really fascinating to me because she is the ex
-wife. of brett from secret lives and more lives
yes and she she was i i know beyond the shadow
of a doubt she was slated to be on the real housewives
of salt lake city if not in the first season
then definitely in the second season but that
really just didn't ever go anywhere Or, like,
she stayed a friend of, because she got confessional
at some point, but, like, I wonder if part of
the problem was, like, she was trying too hard
or, like, the other girls hated her. Because
I know there was a lot there with, like, her
and Jen where Angie Harrington's husband, like,
created, like, a burner Instagram that, like,
did nothing but drag Jen Shaw. So, like, I don't
know if that's why she never got on the show,
but, like, there's... like Angie Harrington's
always been very interesting to me. And like,
she's got money. Like I, like from what I understand,
she gave Jen Shaw like a million dollars, like
during the trial, like to, to, yeah, I'm going
to probably going to cut that because I don't
know if that's liable or not, but like, there's
like Angie Harrington has like real, real, real
money. Like I know they donated a million dollars
to, to a foundation that was like supporting
trans people. Like they, they have a lot of money
in there, like allies of the community. So I
don't know why they, Never made it on the show.
Yeah. That's interesting. I didn't know a single
thing about that woman. So I'm glad to have heard
some of this information. And that's fascinating.
Yeah. She was married to Brett. Yeah. I wonder
if she was ever involved in Fruity Pebbles. I
wonder if she knows about Fruity Pebbles. I wonder
if she eats Fruity Pebbles. I have a feeling
that she knows a lot about Fruity Pebbles. I
have a feeling she knows about Fruity Pebbles
and that's why she left her husband. Maybe. I
hope. I don't know. I don't know. We go over
to Jen's house and Coach Shaw comes in and talks
to Jen for the first time in a week. Yeah. So.
I would like to have one of these talks with
Coach Shaw because I think coming out of this
conversation, I think that I would feel better.
He is so gentle. He is. And when I think that.
The time away has given him a lot of patience
and he was able to find his words very well.
And what I also notice is he is such a like a
words of affirmation person. And he was so gentle
and so kind about it. And I would also love to
have any conversation with him, I think would
be very validating and very endearing. Yes. But
he explains to Jen that she cannot control her
emotions and reactions when she drinks. And I
would. venture a guess that alcohol is not the
issue I think it makes it worse but I don't think
alcohol is the root of the problem right I I
did wonder when he said that like of course I'm
this is my first time in Real Housewives of Salt
Lake City first time Real Housewives anything
so I don't know anything about Jen Shaw going
into any of this but I did wonder like Has drinking
been an issue with her in previous years? Has
it always been a thing that she does? I have
no clue. I think it's I think Coach Shaw is more
critical of the drinking because he is Muslim
and he is like he is sober Muslim, too. And they're
sober. He's sober. And like, I think he follows
like the teachings of the Koran that say, like,
you don't drink, you don't you don't. Do you
X, Y, Z? And that's fine. I think that he's viewing
it through the lens of I know I don't drink.
I know I don't have these problems. Jen drinks.
She does have these problems. And I think that
it's a it's a correlation that's it's a causation.
It's a correlation that's not a causation. So
I think that. That's why he's coming at it from
this angle. But I also think that he does not
want to be like you have an emotional problem.
Well, I wonder if he's scared to say that or
if he genuinely is gone for so long, so consecutively
that he genuinely doesn't understand what the
issue is. And like, it's harder to not know something
because, I mean, humans are. Powered by like,
I want to know this, that and the third. I want
there's a problem. I want a solution. We have
to know everything. And so if there's something
that Sharif genuinely doesn't understand, he
probably wants to be like, well, I do know this
is a problem. So that's got to be it. I'll buy
that. And that is frustrating, especially when
this is the first time that Jen is actually opening
up about these issues. Right. She said, I've
never. Told you how much I resent you. How mad
she is. The one thing that stood out to me is
she was like, I'm so mad at you. And I felt her
when she was saying that. I believe all of this.
And I genuinely do think that all of her feelings
are very validated. It's just nobody can validate
it when she comes off the way that she does,
when she comes off so aggressively. And I. do
agree with like Whitney where when Jen is around
Sharif she's so much more gentle and so instead
of screaming and yelling and throwing glasses
like what she would at Whitney Jen just kind
of resorts to this very emotional response as
she's talking she's crying and she's she's not
yelling at Sharif but she is making it apparent
like I'm so angry with you and that's great Because,
I mean, imagine how miserable the relationship
would be if she's screaming and yelling in his
face and throwing glasses in his vicinity. And
I think that that is a relationship where if
they're comfortable enough to be open and vulnerable
with each other, they can make all of this work.
And Sharif can, Sharif can support her in. making
her a little more emotionally mature but he can't
do that if jen's not going to actually say what
the problem is right and this is the first time
she's doing it right and like it's the first
time she's saying what i mean and the problem
is for she she gives like the full like i'm so
mad at you because you weren't there when i had
to make the decision to pull my dad off of life
support and I like and you find out at some point
later that like towards the end there, Sharif
was the only person that Jen's dad recognized.
And I think that that made it so much harder
because I think Sharif even says it at the reunion.
Like he he says. I think Jen probably on some
level feels like if I were there, he would have
pulled through a little bit and like I'll buy
that she like subconsciously might like feel
that I don't know, but. She does say, I'm so
mad at you and I don't know where to put this,
like long and short of it. And then Sharif hears
her. And I think that's the first time Jen really
feels heard. Yeah. About that situation. He was
very receptive to it. He was. And he apologized
and his apology felt so. real sincere and real
and i think that's really beautiful she was like
i need you to know i love you baby i love you
and i'm so sorry that you're hurt and he's like
i'll be better and i don't know if he has been
i i haven't watched i don't think sharif had
anything to fix like outside of like being present
i i really don't so like exactly if he's any
more present then i'm he's fixed it hopefully
but Like the takeaway from that for me was the
conversation is beautifully like it feels like
everything's going to be OK in the Shaw chalet.
Right. She doesn't do this with the other women,
though. I know at some point, like you can say
to Whitney, I am hurt that like you took this
beautiful moment that I was trying to have for
Sharif and it felt ruined and I'm hurt and I'm
mad at you. She she doesn't she she gets. the
essence of that but she doesn't ever get there
with Whitney with Heather I don't know what the
issue is with and with with Meredith and Lisa
she could say I'm hurt and I'm mad that you are
afraid of me like if that's how you perceive
me I'm hurt and I'm mad and she doesn't ever
get there it's just throwing the glasses it's
screaming it's storming off it's don't talk about
Mary and it's always like someone else's problem
I wish she could take what she did with Sharif
and translate it to the other girls because I
think like here's the thing I think this group
of women it's it's the most beautiful dynamic
but like when you have someone as volatile as
Jen Shaw like where you're gonna have drama no
matter what I don't think you can walk into any
situation with Jen Shaw and be like oh this is
gonna be a good day because you know what's coming
next yeah and you know what the potential is
you know what the possibility is And I think
that I agree. I severely wish that she could
communicate with the other women the same way
that she communicates with Sharif. But I think
that it's got something to do with Sharif hangs
the moon in her sky. And so it kind of leads
me to believe that. Not specifically at that
level, but at a high level, she does not respect
some of these women. And she does not like some
of these women. And she's not willing to even
participate in a meaningful and effective conversation
with these women. And at some level, she can
do that with Meredith and Lisa. But at no level
can she do that with Whitney. And at barely any
level can she do that with Heather. And that
makes me sad because obviously, like when they
were in the bathtubs, Whitney and Heather were
like, we genuinely had the best intentions, which
I also believe. You said that you fully believe
that. And I do as well. And Whitney was like,
I just want you so badly to know that I had every
intention of just coming to you as a girlfriend
and being truthful to you. And I can see that
Whitney and Heather want to be good friends to
Jen. And I think that Jen just paints them in
a negative light every time and just doesn't.
can't show up for being their good friends even
if they're trying to be her good friends and
that sucks i agree but yeah there's that this
was an incredible episode this was this episode's
gonna have a lot of editing how long is it right
now um it's an hour and 31 minutes but like i
mean all all things being equal it's probably
an hour and Ten. Yeah. An hour. Yeah. But dear
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