Hi, I'm Travis. And I'm Emma. And this is Bestie
Approved. What's the last song you listened to?
I was really tired this morning. And I needed...
Honestly, all I was doing was getting coffee
and driving home. But I needed something to wake
me up. And so the last song on that list for
me... Was Smack a Bitch by Rico Nasty. Thank
God I had to smack a bitch today. That's good
stuff. What was yours? Little Bit by Demi Lovato.
Oh. Have you seen, like, she's really making
a comeback. She really is. And, like. I love
that for her. I'm really happy for her. I often
find her annoying. but I love her and I want
her to be successful. I, you know, I too desperately
want her to be successful. And like, I think
back to her song confident that like, I feel
like marked very significant period of my life.
Cause I listened to that just while I walk around
sometimes, but I don't want to go back to the
place where she's like, I went to this frozen
yogurt place and it really ruined my day. That's,
I just want to forget about that time. Yeah,
I feel like she had a diva era. But, like, that's
not even it for me. Just her personality is kind
of annoying to me. But that's okay. Fair. That's
okay. Not everybody has to like everybody. But
I do really like the new album. Like, it's really
good. And she, I guess. She's extremely talented.
Very talented. I'll never take that away from
her. She did a cover of I Want to Dance with
Somebody. Have you seen that on TikTok? Yeah.
Oh, my God. It's so good. And, like, I can't
find it anywhere. like i don't think she released
it i think it was just like a sound on tiktok
which i'm mad about because it's so good she
probably has to get all kinds of releases from
whitney's team and yeah that's probably i think
the last one they really did was the uh higher
love with kygo or like that was the last one
they allowed to like yeah get really because
i can't think of any other song that like has
been remixed or whatever or like covered but
yeah that was even Whitney's voice still it's
probably even harder to like come out with a
true cover right and the thing about the Kygo
remix of that song was like you could tell that
it was like I loved that song but you could tell
it was someone that really loved Whitney Houston
doing it I feel like he probably had to like
go through a lot of levels of approval to like
prove himself for that A hundred percent. He
probably already had to make the song. They had
to hear it before they even started. Yes, probably.
But I'm glad he got it because that was a good
song. Do you have any pregnancy updates? Oh,
boy. Yeah. OK, so I'm 35 weeks today. So next
week is 36 weeks, which is technically. Full
term, like he wouldn't be a premature baby anymore.
And I have an ultrasound next Friday that will
determine if I need to be induced early or get
a C -section. or what have you. And I was supposed
to go straight from the ultrasound to an OB appointment
to like decide that and schedule that and whatever.
And then they called me this very morning and
rescheduled that for the following Wednesday,
which is crazy to me because once you're full
term, like 36 weeks, you're supposed to see your
doctor once a week. So, whatever, whatever, whatever.
But, yeah, this will be my last episode that
we record until I go on hiatus. Hate it. Yeah,
but this little boy could come any day. Yeah,
that's fair. And by little, I mean giant. Also,
I've come around to having a C -section. I think
I'm okay with it. The way my OB looked me in
my eyes and she was like, listen. She was like,
so you're not as likely to tear the second time
around, even if you had a bad tear the first
time, which I did. But when you have a much larger
baby, that changes everything. And she literally
said these words to me, Travis. She says. If
I were you, I would be worried about my butthole.
And I said, okay, yeah, perhaps a C -section.
But like, it'll be fine. When you have like a
planned C -section instead of like an emergency
C -section or anything like that. It's like very
straightforward from what I understand. Right.
Because it's like going in for like a standard
surgery versus like needing a surgery immediately.
Yeah. And so I'm not excited. I saw a woman on
TikTok say it feels like they're washing dishes
inside your intestines. But that's still better
to me than having one hole. Or like the baby
can dislocate their shoulder on the way out.
There's all kinds of things that happen when
you have a giant baby. Well, so I I think if
people need a C -section, go get a C -section.
I don't think there needs to be any like rationalization
of it. For me, though, I. I cannot imagine pushing
a fucking watermelon out of my cooch like that.
Well, like I did it with Jack and it sucked.
It did. And they had to get the vacuum and I
had a third degree tear. For those of you who
know what that is, it it wasn't great. Right.
And like the recovery also was not great because
my doctor literally lost count of how many stitches
he had to put in down there. Hate that a lot.
Yeah, he finished up and I said, how many stitches
do I have? And he said, oh, I, I don't know.
It's not the same thing, but it's like putting
together like an Ikea bed and you're like, I
have like six extra screws here and I don't know
what to do with it. And that's not my problem.
And I love that doctor. That doctor was like
our primary care physician, too, for a long time.
But he was also an OB. He's a very smart guy.
And he just they're dissolving stitches. So like
he wasn't he didn't need to count. Oh, fair.
OK. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. That wasn't great.
The recovery wasn't great. But I was so scared
of a C -section and its recovery until. She recommended
it. She told me a few weeks ago that if I want
to elect to have a C -section, I can do that.
But now she's like gradually recommending it
more. So I've made my peace with it. I think
that's fine. Do you, do they put you to sleep
for a C -section? No. Oh, no. See, that's where
I draw the line. They put a curtain at like your
waist so you can't see anything happening. I
feel like I remember Logan telling me this. Yes,
I think. OK. But you're awake. You're awake the
whole time. And they say you don't feel pain,
but you feel pressure and you can feel that they're
inside your stomach. which is horrifying to me.
It's something I would never get over. Yeah,
so that experience was one thing that was really
turning me off. The other thing that really sucks
is you can't, like, twist for two weeks, which
means you can't drive. And that doesn't sound
like a big deal, but I drive Jack to and from
school every day. I was literally about to say,
yeah. Yeah, so it's like I have to organize rides
for him. I'll take him to school. Lots of people
will, and I'm sure that I'll organize it all
and it'll all be fine and great. It's just like
the anxiety of all of it. Yeah. And there's like
a whole thing in my mind right now about not
wanting Jack to suffer because of this is like
a good experience for him. He'll feel better
about having a brother and sharing attention
and that type of thing. I don't know. So this
is the thing. I was never worried about Jack
being a big brother because I do think at the
end of the day, Jack will be a phenomenal big
brother. I do think that he will have a hard
time with the switch and dynamics because he's
so used to being the center of attention. And
like and he's he's a natural performer and he
like loves the spotlight. And I think he will.
I think for a little bit, I'll struggle with
like sharing the spotlight, but I think that
it'll be a really good growing thing for him.
Yeah. And I knew it would be an adjustment regardless.
And that's why I don't. I don't want to make
it so he's, like, late to school every day, too.
And has to go to the office because whoever was
supposed to pick him up in the afternoon was
late, too. And all of that. Because I just feel
like that'll stress him out more. Sure. And he'll
just not have a good time. So, I'm stressed about
that right now. But that should only last for
two weeks. And then I'll be able to drive again.
But I still won't be cleared to, like, exercise
or anything for... It's like... It's six months
afterwards, right? Well, I thought so with a
C -section, but apparently not. It's like six
to eight weeks. Like, is it like a like, you
know how when they like replace your hip or whatever,
like any surgery, like with a knee replacement
or whatever, they want you up and walking like
almost immediately after one of those kind of
situations where they're like trying to get you
back into things quicker than like you would
think is normal. No, six weeks is the same amount
of time for giving birth. Okay. Vaginally, for
lack of a better term. And I thought you went
from like a six -week recovery to like a six
-month recovery if you got a C -section, but
apparently that's not true. Huh. I don't know.
I'm sure it takes a long time for that incision
to heal all the way through, though, because
they like have to cut through the muscle. They're
like in there. Yeah. Yeah. Like you're literally
getting chopped in half. Um, so that's the update.
Also, this man has his head, like, in the circle
of my pelvis. And it hurts so bad. Ew. It hurts
so bad. Baby August, what are you doing? I know.
He, like, won't move up. And actually, he can't
move up because he will have both his head in
my pelvis and his feet kicking my ribs at the
same time. I have to tell you, the miracle of
life is truly a miracle. I'm so happy. I love
him so much. But God damn it. Why does it have
to be so hard? You would think we would have
evolved to make this easier. But no. No. Even
God hates women. Cut that out. I don't mean that.
Okay. So speaking of babies, have you seen. And
this is like a common thing that like pops up
on my TikTok is these seed oil fucks going into
like a Meyer or Kroger or wherever and telling
people that baby formula is basically poison
and like you're going to kill your baby. Have
you seen these? No, but that really pisses me
off. Did you watch the TikTok that I like put
in the link? Yes. Did it piss you off? Yeah,
because here's the thing with Jack. I tried to
breastfeed. I wanted to breastfeed, and I couldn't.
So if all formula is poison, I have two sides
of this. With Jack, this is what happened. If
all formula is poison, your solution to me is
to either pay hundreds of thousands of dollars
at the end of the day for someone else's breast
milk, which is weird to me, and I didn't have
any money at the time. Or number two, starve
my child. Like, are those your solutions for
me? Well, no, there's a magical third solution.
If your body isn't producing breast milk and
you don't want to use someone else's breast milk.
This this guy, the seed oil fuck was on there
like selling like peddling his goods. Oh, yeah.
And this is the other thing that makes me mad
is at the end of the day, like unless you're
smoking crack. I don't give a fuck what you're
feeding your baby like as long as like the baby's
healthy and like you're doing everything you
can to like just to do right by your kid that's
nobody else's fucking business and if you have
to get like whatever powder you put into milk
to make it baby formula that's nobody else's
business because there are an exceedingly high
number of mothers who simply cannot produce breast
milk like it's it's not and i think the gross
thing is like people don't talk about that because
there there's like a level of shame around it
like i talked to my sister -in -law about this
and yeah she said hang on i'll read this because
i sent her this video i said i just want to know
like what your thoughts are about this. And she
said, fed is best. That's it. Uh, so my niece
was strictly breastfed and my nephew was breast
and formula fed. There's fundamentally no difference
between the two of them. And then formula is
so closely monitored and regulated. It's actually
safer for a lot of babies with allergies and
dietary restrictions. And these people out here
like peddling ignorance and fear mongering is
at its finest and it's irritating as fuck. Like
there, there's no, it's bad. It's bad. I did
see a TikTok of a teacher speaking up and being
like, hey, I can't tell if your child was breastfed
or formula fed. I can't tell the difference.
You know what I can tell? If you've never read
a book with your kid before. Oh, see? It's like,
just take care of your kid. Every doctor, every
nurse I've ever run into has always said fed
is best. If you can't breastfeed, don't. And
I cried and cried and cried and cried when I
couldn't breastfeed Jack anymore because like
my supply just ran out. I was under undue trauma
with his dad and the stress was insane. And I
literally just wasn't producing breast milk anymore.
And like. You don't even need to have that excuse.
Whatever it is, if you're just not producing
milk for whatever reason. Or if you just don't
want to breastfeed your kid. Like, that's okay,
too. There are some parents who never even try
to breastfeed. And that's fine. Why are we telling
them what to do? Yeah. I don't understand it.
From the other side, though, Kenny doesn't like
seed oils. We know this. We've talked about this.
Which is mostly fine. You know, to avoid deep
fried things because you don't like canola oil,
whatever. Sure. Okay. So we looked at, because
I think that I would like to have a can of formula
in the house just in case something happens.
And like, I don't want it to be a whole thing.
I can't feed the baby. So we looked up, like,
are there any seed oil free formulas on the market
at all? really aren't you would have to import
it from the uk okay which is crazy but also feature
kid so here's i i want to know where the root
of this seed oil argument is like because if
it's truly like yeah we we don't want to be having
a ton of like deep fried uh saturated fats great
i can get behind that i don't know if that's
what it is it's not it's something to do with
honestly i tune them out so much and maybe i
should listen but it's something to do with the
process of how it's created it's something like
like a table of sunflower a tablespoon of sunflower
oil is like 6 ,000 sunflower seeds or something
insane like that. And so it's like you're ingesting
a lot of calories and carbs that you're not meaning
to. I don't know. Listen, whatever. I'm not going
to tell people what to do. If you don't want
to eat seed oils, don't. But like if a baby needs
formula, we don't have any other option right
now. Right. So feed your kid. Yeah. That's where
I'm at with it. That is best. And that saying,
by the way, is a riff off of people who used
to say, breast is best. Oh. Mm -hmm. It used
to be. Well, I'm glad people took that back,
honestly. Breast is best, which put nothing but
stress on new moms. And by the way, stress is
like the number one factor that can make your
milk supply go away. Yeah. Your body will stop
producing milk because it's so stress. I have
to tell you, I don't know. I know I was not breastfed.
I know none of my cousins were breastfed. I know
Zachary wasn't breastfed. And so for me, I'm
like, we all turned out just fine. Like. I like
the whole the whole argument for me is to to
like put this like. image of like what you think
a mother should be is like a baby factory and
like only taking care of her babies like i think
it comes from a deeply misogynistic place and
i don't like it but i do i do appreciate that
there's a her name is dr jess and she's a real
doctor out here and she's like kind of combating
all these seed oil fucks like in the in the baby
formula aisle and like i really appreciate that
she does that because i do think it's a message
a lot of moms need to hear. Like, hey, you're
doing your best and that's okay. That's all you
can do. And listen, props to the moms who go
back to work when their baby is six weeks old
and take time out of their day to pump. That's
insane. And I am so happy for you. And you are
really doing the thing that does not take away
from moms who have decided formula is best for
them and their baby. Because the other thing
is, if you're up pumping every three hours all
night. long, then baby has a tired mom. And I
thought we didn't like that either. So like,
come on. See, this is where I start to get mad
at the argument because I'm just like, it doesn't
matter what women do. You're not doing it right.
Yeah. And that pisses me off. As a new mom, that
was so hard on me because I was like constantly
feeling like I was doing a horrible job because
that's how they want you to feel. And by them,
I mean misogynistic men. They want you to feel
like you are never doing enough for your child.
If you have not literally moved a mountain today
and breastfed and gotten 10 hours of sleep, you're
fucking up your kid. It's insane. Yeah, it pisses
me off. Kind of on the same subject. We don't
even have to talk about it. You can cut this.
No, I want to hear it. Night nurses. Oh yes.
You did look this up. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God.
Okay. So there's this TikToker who I love. I'm
not even going to say her name because I don't
want her to get like literally one hate comment
about it. She has a lot of money. She has started
her own cannabis brands years ago. And she's
like, I love her. She has a ton of money though.
She like lives a very nice life. She has a Prada
diaper bag. Right. cunt whatever she was talking
about her night nurse and I respect her for this
and she was like she gave the hourly wage I don't
even remember what that was she gave the hours
minimum which was like 12 which I whatever For
you to have a night nurse, which is, for those
of you who don't know, is someone who, like,
feeds the baby at night and gets them back to
sleep and basically does everything you need
to do except for create breast milk. It's $500
a night. Which is insane. That's $3 ,500 a week.
And everyone I've seen have a night nurse has
them for months. Yeah. Like, that's crazy to
me. If I could afford it, would I do it? 100%.
I can't think of anyone that wouldn't. Because
you kind of have the best of both worlds there.
You have someone who ostensibly loves your kid,
who is all in taking care of it, and then you're
well -rested enough to take care of it the other
12 hours a day. Yeah, 100%. And that's the hardest
part for me about having a baby is like you are
so exhausted all the time. It's not even just
at night. And then you're waking up every three
hours, literally all day, every single day. You're
both tired. You're both fussy. And then you have
to worry about are they getting enough tummy
time? Are they stimulated? Are they eating enough?
Are they eating too much? Blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah. So it's like. That would literally be a
lifesaver for so many people, but there's no
way. No. There's no way. Yeah. I wouldn't do
it. It couldn't be me. I mean, obviously you
don't like pay that forever because like you
don't need one after a few months. But there
comes a point where it's like, I don't, I love
the idea of it. I don't love the idea that you
have to pay $3 ,500 a week for it. And like,
Right. And granted, it's a thing that like almost
no one gets. Like it's something that is not
reserved for like an exclusive group of people,
but it's something that very few people can afford.
Yeah, 100 percent. And I don't know. It's just
like. I appreciate her, like, saying, like, this
is the reality of it. Like, it's a lot of money.
Right. And, like, I'm sure she's probably taking
care of the nurse, like, in a lot of ways other
than, like, just financially. I'm sure, like,
there's food. She's leaving food out. Yeah. Making
sure they're all cozy and comfy all night long.
Sure. And she's, yeah. She also, I feel like,
needed to do that because she has, like, had
such a quick. recovery it feels like like she's
already taken her baby out a few times when the
baby's like a few weeks old and she's like going
back to the gym doing very light exercise when
the baby's only a few weeks old and it's like
i think people lose the plot really quickly of
like well why am i not doing that why am i not
doing that and it's like Ma 'am, you haven't
slept more than two hours straight in the past
month. And that whole thing for me is, like,
I don't think that there is a standard of, like,
what normal is. But, like, for me, like, in my
mind, I don't know, as long as, like, you're
back to, like, doing some semblance of normalcy,
like, by the time your kid's in kindergarten,
like, I don't know. Yeah. Because there's, like,
four or five years there where you... Have to
like adjust for life with an extra person there.
Yeah. Babies are hell bent on killing themselves.
So you literally have to change your whole life
to monitor them. And on top of that, they say
your body takes three years to recover from having
a baby. So it's like you don't have to be. Doing
what the influencers do are going to get a tummy
tuck the minute you're cleared to exercise or
doing what you see online or in magazines or
any of that, because it's like not real. Yeah.
Like that is a whole different class of people.
Yeah, I think you're right. And that's hard for
a mom. That's hard. It's hard for anyone, but
like for especially for someone that just gave
birth, I think that's. crazy but um on the note
of things that are healthy um have you you haven't
seen this i already asked you about this but
there's a new pyramid scheme floating around
on tiktok where they're marketing it as nutraceuticals
and like i i'm gonna preface this by saying this
is not about like what anyone chooses to do with
their health it's simply about like the pyramid
scheme situation and i do think there is something
to be said for yeah like the standard american
diet is not great like comparatively with the
rest of the world but i think if you look holistically
at like why are we unhealthy as americans i think
it all comes back to we do nothing but bend over
for the most powerful industries in the world,
which are the most powerful industries in food,
which are beef and dairy. And we do not have
universal health care. Like, I think those are
the two biggest problems are the diet and the
health care. Right. So you have. These people
on TikTok peddling whatever bullshit they're
peddling about like, oh, if you take this pill,
everything's going to be great. But it's the
same song and dance over and over and over again.
And I saw like I'm not I'm not exaggerating like
19 TikTok lives yesterday of like, well, this
is like what I was going through. And like your
body becomes insulin resistant over time. And
it's. It's not your fault. It's your doctor's
fault. You don't understand because you you didn't
go to medical school, but these doctors, they're
hiding it from you. So like they make the doctors
the bad guy. And it's it's this it's this cult
mentality where like the outsiders are bad and
like we have the answer and you should listen
to us. And this is what pisses me off every time
is like, OK, so you're preying on people's health.
Great. Got it. So. The doctors are bad. And then
I'm going to tell you my story about like how
I was insulin resistant and my kidneys were failing
and I went to the doctor. And it's so interesting
that 19 people in a row had the exact same story
and the exact same health problems. It's it's
fascinating to me. But then they all have this
like they all have like a group of mentors and
the same mentor showed up on two of them, which
is what tells me it is absolutely this pyramid
scheme. And so I got to the point where I. commented
on I think the third one I saw and I was like
that's funny you have the same story that two
other people on here have and you're using the
exact same verbiage and you're all like you're
all covering up the way you say different brand
names so you don't get sued it's so funny to
me and then she said what are you trying to say
Travis like tried to call me out in this live
like where she got by the way like 64 people
in it it was not a huge live and I finally just
got to the point where I was like, it's a fucking
pyramid scheme. Just say you're on a pyramid
scheme. Like, it's OK. Just tell us you're in
a pyramid scheme. Tell us you're going to sell
us an opportunity and like, let's go on with
our days. And yeah, so I got I got in a TikTok
live fight over an MLM and like. Here's the thing.
Go on her TikTok and scroll down two years. I
bet you don't find her sick. No, you never do.
I bet you don't. This is this is what pisses
me off. It's like we used to work with someone
like this who would tell a story, tell a very
emotional story. You know exactly what I'm talking
about, where it's it was to sell long term care
insurance. And it was I'm going to tell you this
story about like how this person was on death's
door and I sold them this long term care policy
and then it changed their family's lives. Do
you know what I came to figure out? That's true.
That story was bullshit. Of course it is. That
person didn't exist. I'm sure they didn't. I
never thought they did. Like, here's the thing.
I don't have anything against salespeople. Salespeople
try to sell whatever. I do have something against
you using sickness as a scare tactic. I agree.
In order to sell something. There has to be a
way to sell your liver pills or whatever the
fuck and peddle them out without. pretending
that you used to be chronically ill because there
are people out there who are literally chronically
ill and looking for any type of solution and
here you are miss dumbass promising them something
you cannot deliver right well and that's the
sick thing that like makes me so mad is like
you you're not even marketing to like fixable
problems like sure some of these problems that
like mlms like do go after are fixable but like
it The way these people capitalize on big black
holes of money pits where it's like we at some
point we can come back and say either a you didn't
do everything right or be the problem was bigger
than we knew and we did everything we could.
But like it's a problem bigger than us. And then
they dissolve the amount or dissolve the LLC
and there's nothing to come after. It's sick.
Like you were you were coming after people that
are desperate for any answer. And yeah, I should
have stayed shampoo and caffeinated drinks. Yeah.
Why are we trying to say we can fix people's
health? It's insane. It's insane. But that's
the other interesting thing is like they'll never
say they can fix it. They say they have a solution
to part of the problem. And and this is where
like the studying for the LSAT and like the whole
thing comes in for me is like you start listening
for these like key things of like, oh. You're
like the woman I'm thinking of, like she kept
saying Starbucks because she like it was blaming
sugar for a lot of the problems that like come
from insulin resistance, whatever. And granted,
sugar is a problem like it is a big problem.
But she kept saying Starbucks instead of Starbucks.
So like she couldn't get sued by the Starbucks
coffee company. They also do that all over TikTok
as if everyone's going to sue them everywhere
or like TikTok is going to take them down if
they say. target or something yeah like it's
that's weird can we stop doing that it is weird
and like i think this speaks to a bigger problem
of like you know what you are doing is unethical
you you have you on some level have to know there's
liability here there is some legal implication
or there is an ethical concern here that's why
i'm dancing around it and you're still willing
to do it for money you're you are a soulless
fuck you have nothing to offer this society and
you're a bad person yeah sorry queen you need
to go work at the star books because this is
not paying your bills oh god but yeah that pissed
me off and then i fell down another rabbit hole
have you Did you ever watch that documentary
with Roberta Blevins about the leggings? No.
I think it was on Amazon Prime. I, like, started
listening to her podcast again because I was
like, oh, I forgot how much I love learning about,
like, cults and, like, MLMs because they're the
exact same thing. Oh, they are, yeah. And I,
like, started listening to her podcast again
and I fell deep into it. But, yeah. What else?
What else is on the list today? Have you heard
about the song about stealing an F -16? Are you
on that side of TikTok? What? What are you even
talking about? There's a song. I'm going to clip
it in here because, A, I bought new software
for the podcast. So, like, you're going to hear
a lot more sound clips coming in. And B, I think
it's because I'm on Blue Pill TikTok where it's
like. Oh, my God. I just, like, didn't even see
that bullet point. That's so weird. It's great.
Okay. I'm going to let you listen to it for a
second. I hate to be this person. What the fuck
is an F -16? A fighter jet. Oh. So for those
of you who don't know, it's it's a song where
I think it. it's it's come out of like political
discourse tiktok we're like we're we're in a
weird place societally and i think like i don't
know if someone said he was gonna steal an f
-16 but like quickly after the whole the the
militarization of ice and all this like we started
getting there's a song about stealing an f -16
there's a song about stealing an apache jet and
like they're so fucking catchy i haven't seen
these like at all i could listen to them all
day long i love these songs not my vibe but tonally
but i get it but you can see why i like it sure
um You and I both woke up in fuck -ass moods
on Friday. I wake up in a fuck -ass mood every
day. I hate waking up. And also, I can't sleep
through the night. I wake up like five times
a night. I will say last night, one of them was
worth it. I woke up because Kenny was laughing
and talking in his sleep. And Kenny does this
thing in his sleep where he is speaking neither
English nor Viet. It's just gibberish. Really?
So he'll be like... It's like, what are you doing?
Um, very entertaining, but yeah, I can't sleep
through the night. And so I've been waking up
in a fuck ass mood every day, but also I caught
this cold flu thing that's going around. So yeah.
Yeah. So Friday, I, I don't know what my problem
was, but like, I woke up, I, Emma and I were
supposed to record on Friday and like, And that
comes after the Wednesday where we were supposed
to record. And I was moving through the entire
day, believing it was Tuesday. And Emma text
me at three o 'clock in the afternoon being like,
hey, is everything OK? Are we still recording?
And I was like, what are you talking about? And
then, like, I looked at my phone and I was like,
fuck. And so I think that the bigger problem
is. I was a thousand percent like I come down
with like the like I wasn't the flu, but they
were like I needed to sleep. And so I. We didn't
record on Wednesday. I was like, let's report
on Friday. Great pussy. Great. And then Friday
rolls around. I wake up and I was like, I'm ready
to kill someone like I'm ready to hit someone
with my car. And I was just mad from the moment
I woke up until the moment I said, I'm going
to take back to the bed and go take a nap. I
sleep for. Six more hours. And then I get back
up and I was like, OK, like I'm an operating
functioning person now. Saturday rolls around.
I did absolutely nothing all day yesterday. I
get up at like nine o 'clock in the morning.
My dog's being too cute. I just tell him I love
him so much. And I was like, let's go. Let's
go get this day. I take Boomer to my dad's house
to like so he can hang out with my dad and my
dad's dog because like that's his favorite place.
And I said, let me go get something to eat like
this time. But like by this time, it's lunch
ish time. I go get a little to go meal from Texas
Roadhouse. I went back to bed and I slept for
seven more hours. I wake up at like. probably
nine o 'clock and i uh go back to my dad's house
i get boomer and we just go back to bed and i
love that i don't know what my problem was though
like i you're sick what do you mean maybe i don't
know i don't like to accept that i'm sick everyone
in the indianapolis area right now has this virus
and i mean everyone Everyone I've come into contact
with at least knows someone who is sick right
now. And it's insane. And that's definitely what
this is. I will say the highest my temperature
has gotten is like a hundred point line. It's
not been like crazy. I'm just also pregnant.
So I hate coughing and sneezing and all of it.
I hate everything. I'm at the point in my pregnancy
now where when I'm backing out of my driveway
and a car is going down my road, I have to take
a deep breath. I'm so angry. I get that. I'm
so tired and I'm in pain all the time and I'm
just like waddling around. I've had enough. We're
almost there. Why are you on my street? How'd
you get here? How did you get here? Please. And
I'll be damned if I'm going to back into my driveway.
No. No. I live here. A couple things. First of
all, you shouldn't be backing into your driveway.
That's exhausting. Do I think the feds are going
to come? Like, what do I need? No, but also people
should stay off my road. Yes. And every road
that I'm driving on. Every road. Shut it down.
Do you have anything to complain about? Endless
things to complain about. Tell me. I did have
something, but I didn't write it down. What was
that? I don't remember. You do your complaining
and I'll see if I remember. I'll go first. What
in the actual fuck happened at Panera? Okay,
I saw that that's what you were going to complain
about. I have not had that experience. What the
fuck are you talking about? The green tea, still
delicious. Bread bowl of broccoli soup, still
delicious. Chicken frontega sandwich, still delicious.
Okay. And that's all I care about in this life.
Also, their chocolate croissants in the morning.
Ugh. They are sin. I love them. So maybe the
one in Westfield is good, but I can tell you
right now, the one in Broad Ripple, I did a mobile
order for a chicken salad sandwich because it
used to be better than nothing else. I loved
the Panera chicken salad sandwich. I ordered
on the Panera app. I was so excited. I was like,
I haven't had one of these in like two years.
I pick it up. It tasted like sand. Is it possible,
my prince, that they have just reformulated the
chicken salad? That's exactly what part of the
problem is. It's disgusting. And so it takes
up on the menu and reformulate stuff like every
six months. Yes. And I think that's like, don't
fuck with the chicken salad. Like chicken salad
is one of those things where it's so simple.
You need. Chicken, mayonnaise, grapes, and, like,
whatever the fuck else goes into chicken salad.
You don't need to fuck with it. Yeah. Like, it's
a pretty tried and true thing, right? I like
the Whole Foods chicken salad. I didn't know
Whole Foods had chicken salad. Oh, yes, they
do in their deli. I'll swing by and grab some.
It has pecans and full grapes and celery. It's
so good. I love that. Also, chicken salad is
possibly the whitest food in America. And the
first time I told Kenny I was craving chicken
salad and he went to the store, he was like,
I do not see any salads with chicken in them.
And I said, oh, that's not what we're doing.
It's different. He's disgusted by the thought
of chicken salad, which is crazy. Oh, I love
chicken salad. It's got to be like full chunks
of chicken. This is the other problem is like
Panera has taken the full like. chunks of chicken
out and it's like shredded chicken it's always
shredded chicken no it's not it has i swear to
christ oh you mean it's like not okay i see what
it's like strings of chicken it's not yeah you're
getting robbed yeah and so i did some i took
to tiktok and everyone else is saying this you
are the only person i swear that has said panera
is still good um Do you want to know what ruined
it? What? Private equity. That's not surprising
to me. Not even a little bit. Someone came in
and acquired... So Panera has two different business
models. It's like what a lot of fast, casual
food places do, where you can have a franchise
or a corporate -owned one, and a lot of them
have become franchises, but the Panera brand
was bought out by a private equity firm, and
that's what ruined fucking everything about it.
That really sucks. The one up here is great.
They're building a new one literally down the
street from me. Did you see that? Yeah. I'm so
excited for it. I love it so much. I love Panera.
It is comfort food for me. And so if either of
those Paneras start not being good, I will die.
I will pass away. It's infuriating. Also, I loved
their heart attack lemonades. I loved them. I
never tried them. But also, I'm pretty sure I
have undiagnosed ADHD. And so they did not make
me bounce off the walls or have tachycardia.
Yeah, baby, you are a thousand percent ADHD.
Right. So like they didn't do anything to me.
I know that like everything is so much more dramatic
hormonally and everything right now that like
I feel like I've gotten confirmation that I'm
ADHD because every morning I have a little coffee.
And right after I drink that every morning, I'm
like, damn, I need a nap every morning. It's
the same thing with me. It's like after I take
my like the later in the day Adderall, I'm like,
oof, I could go right to bed. I could use a little
sleep. And also. We might have to cut this, but
I've taken Adderall recreationally, like early
in college and late in high school. Yeah. That
sounds like my personal hell. I would hate that.
It didn't do anything to me. You have ADHD. Yeah.
Pretty sure I have ADHD. I've taken Adderall.
It doesn't make me feel like anything. It probably
does help me focus, but it didn't make me feel
like what people talk about feeling. Yeah. And
also caffeine doesn't do anything to me. No stimulant
really does. So here we are. Here we are. I made
it this far. I can take an Alani and go right
to bed. Oh yeah. I used to drink an Alani every
morning and it's almost like performative. It
doesn't do anything to me. I'm a thousand percent.
One of those assholes. It's like, I really just
like the flavor of it. Cause like the, and I
know part of it is the fact that like, I have
to have built up like some level of tolerance
to caffeine because like there there's no natural
person that can walk the face of this earth and
drink 200 milligrams of caffeine and nothing
happens and they don't have some caffeine tolerance.
Like that's fucking insane for me to say out
loud. Well, I've had a caffeine addiction since
I'm like 15. And I think that's I think I was
drinking caffeine so much when I was a teenager
because I needed it to focus in school. Well,
this is it's like it's what comes first, the
chicken or the egg. Right. It's like, oh, caffeine
like helps me calm down. Like, oh, now caffeine
does nothing to me because I remember I went
to my doctor one time and she's it was the nurse
practitioner that works with my doctor. And she's
incredible. Like she's one of these people that's
like, let's look holistically at you as a person
rather than like attacking whatever problem you're
in for. And I think she's so incredible for that.
She was like, how are you sleeping? And I was
like, I don't know, not good. And she's like,
how much caffeine are you drinking a day? And
then I like this is when I had this when we were
at our first financial firm. And I did this cute
thing where I would order a case of bang energy
drinks and just keep them at my desk and drink
them every single day, like throughout the day.
And she was like, do you feel that maybe that
might be part of your problem? And I said. You
cannot convince me. I said, who the fuck are
you? Did you go to medical school? Okay, nurse
practitioner. Okay, Dr. Ali. Yeah, I don't know.
It's hard. But also, there are people who follow
those rules. Every time Kenny goes to Starbucks
on the weekends, and he like... you know he fasts
whatever he'll break his fast at like 11 and
so he'll be he'll get in line at like 10 45 or
whatever and he's like why are there so many
people in line you're not supposed to drink caffeine
after 11 a .m nobody's going to sleep tonight
and i'm like oh buddy there's a whole world you
know nothing about i will tell you i downloaded
the rise sleep app and like i started like paying
attention to the like tips it was giving me just
to like help like improve my sleep quality and
the way that it's like stop drinking caffeine
now and it's like 11 o 'clock or noon and I'm
like how how does someone do that well yeah so
it's a it is like a proven thing caffeine has
like a half -life or whatever so you're still
feeling the effects of the caffeine like 12 hours
later or something insane but it's like Shoot
me. But also, for me, at least, and this is my
addiction talking, when I was having really bad
insomnia, like, in my first trimester, I found
it easier for me to go to sleep if I had a cheeky
little Coke Zero at dinnertime. Yeah. So... Migrating
and pap off are... Their entire for my entire
life, at least, I know have done nothing but
drink coffee the entire day up up to and including
four minutes before they go to bed. And it's
like, OK, good night. My grandma used to do the
same thing until she had to get a pacemaker.
Well, my couple does have heart problems. So
there's that. Actually, I'm so impressed by her.
She's like one. She was one of those. Um, grandmas
who like their house always smelled like coffee
because they were constantly brewing coffee.
And she like immediately once she found out that
she was having heart problems, like immediately
cut it to like two glasses a day in the morning.
Wow. That's a wild habit to break. Yeah. And
she did it so fast. She was like, yeah, no questions
asked. And I'm like, good for you. How did you
do that? Miss girl. Do you know what you're complaining
about yet? I don't recall. I thought of it yesterday
and then I didn't write it down because I'm an
idiot. That's okay. I can complain about not
remembering anything. Oh my God. Oh my God. Yeah,
like last week I went to Whole Foods and I left
one of the bags, which by the way was full of
meat. Like, by the front door. I put the other
two bags away, and I left one bag by the front
door. And thank God, something got delivered.
And so I had to go up by the front door. And
much to my surprise, there was a bag of meat
needing to be put away. That's horrifying. I
can't remember anything. Ugh. Yeah, pregnancy
is only making your ADHD worse. Yeah, I'm like,
whatever. And also, I have eczema now. Really?
My hands are peeling. Interesting. And I use
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is so weird. Oh, that's hell. And, like, I have
a rash in my, like, the crease of my elbow. No.
And it's all eczema. And I'm like, dude, how?
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I am ready. So season three of The Secret Lives
of Mormon Wives starts on November 13th, and
they're dropping all 10 episodes at the same
time. Oh, thank God. I'm so excited. Oh, thank
God. I've been watching them on Dancing with
the Stars. Yeah. And Jenga voted off last week.
Aw. On Halloween week. Whitney is such a petty
little bitch. Everyone has been pointing out
her face because she covered her mouth. But you
can tell she was like smiling. And here's the
thing. From someone who cannot hide their facial
expressions, it could be that she was just like
uncomfortable because she knew everyone would
be looking at her. Sure. And I can see myself
doing the same thing, but it does not look good.
You know what I mean? Can I just tell you something?
I think back to the reunion where they both found
out they were going to be on Dancing with the
Stars. And I remember. I think because they announced
Jen first and I remember Whitney, you could tell
she was heartbroken. Yeah. And in that moment,
I was like. Whitney is a dancer. This is what
Whitney enjoys doing. Like this is like I think
this is like her. She grew up dancing. Right.
But I think this is her like ticket to like validity
or something outside of reality TV. And. More
reality TV. What? More reality TV. Yeah. No,
I know. But it's like, yeah. Some some level
of legitimacy. Right. I think that she's just
glad she made it further than Jen. That's that's
fine. And listen, here's the thing. People are
hating on Whitney because she has dance experience.
And the whole point of Dancing with the Stars
is you get famous people who don't normally dance.
And so people are like, how boring. Of course,
she's like doing the best out of everyone, basically,
because she grew up dancing. Like, duh. But like.
um now people are hating on her because she and
her professional mark ballas who i love said
that they were gonna do like a giveaway thing
and then they had to come back and be like actually
we're not allowed to do a giveaway because abc
said we couldn't like they didn't clear it through
abc in the first place and then You know, people
like live vote, like they vote from their phones
and their computers and stuff. So people are
like they're buying votes and la la la. So she's
getting tons of hate right now. This is. In this
day and age, and especially people like Whitney,
who have to have some level of understanding
about like what it takes, because. None of this
stuff is just like an influencer coming out and
saying, oh, I'm like, I'm doing a giveaway. It
is a thousand percent a corporate sponsorship.
One hundred percent of the time. And. For Whitney
to not think that all the way through is wild
to me. Like, you should know better than anyone
the ins and outs of what goes into that. Especially
a giveaway. They were going to give away, like,
a chance to come see the show live. Like, tickets
to the show, I think. Who the fuck did you think
was going to pay for that, Whitney? So, of course,
ABC was like, no, you're not. And so they both
had to, like, get on TikTok and be like, we're
so sorry. I don't know. So they also punished
her for it because when they do eliminations
at the end of each show, they don't do it in
like highest to lowest. They do it in random
order. saying who's safe and they and then when
they have three couples left then they say who's
going home and she was like everyone knew she
wasn't going home because she like has been getting
tens and whatever she has a fan base and but
they put her like in the bottom bottom three
that's not technically the bottom three but they
made her like Stand it out. The week after she
got. Oh, my God. I just. Yeah, I feel for her.
But also use your brain, sister girl. Yeah. I
don't know. I like I go back and forth with Whitney.
I I have heard from what I've read about the
new season of Secret Lives. I do think we're
going to grow to like Whitney this season. Because
I didn't hate her last season. I don't know why
I came into the season hating her. I she like
she was supposed to be the villain, but I don't
even remember why. Yeah, I think you're right.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I'm in the
same vein of Mormon wives. Have you seen the
surviving Mormonism with Heather Gay thing? Yes.
I'm so excited. I'm going to be tapped into that.
So it comes out. the night before, um, secret
lies of Mormon wise. It comes out on November
12th and it's on Bravo. I'm so excited because
it looks like, do you remember the, um, the Scientology
show that Leah Remini did? Oh yeah. I think it's
going to be just like that. I hope it is. Oh,
it's so good. It's going to be great. Um, do
you have anything else for reality roundup before
we jump into real housewives? Uh, no. Robert
Irwin is hot. Yes. But like 21 years old or something.
Yeah. OK. OK. So we're covering season one, episode
eight, Hot Tub Confessions on. Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City. We open up with Mary FaceTiming
Robert Jr. to ask about the I'm sorry, the product
purse that he brought his girlfriend on Mary's
credit card and. I thought to myself, I wonder
how this is or if this is how my papal feels
every time he opens up his American Express bill
and sees nothing but my Amazon purchases on it.
Does he actually look at it? I hope not. I feel
like he just pays that. He's like, I don't want
to know. I feel like he stopped. Yeah, like he's
just he's just sending the check. He's like a
long time. It's just like, let's call it a day.
Travis, it's fine. And then we head over to the
new location that's being built for Beauty Lab.
And then Heather reflects on her on her success
and like getting to where she is. And I'm really,
really fucking proud of her. I love Heather.
Love Heather so much. Meredith is at her store
and Seth shows up while Meredith is on a FaceTime
with Brooks and Brooks sees another opportunity.
to make Seth feel bad about not being on the
fashion show and immediately jumps on the cross.
And. I wonder how close together all this happened,
because. Obviously, like when this was when this
was like filming or like when this was like showing
on Bravo in real life, like this happened over
the course of like four or five weeks, there's
no way that. This was more than like two or three
days apart. Cause like, you can't be that mad
about it for that long. Like he's, he just keeps
talking about it. He's pretty irritating. He
was very much like, oh, there he is. The dad
who hates me and doesn't support me. I know.
Look at me on this cross. God. I don't know.
I feel like maybe he did hold a grudge over.
He also strikes me as one of those kids. And
this is years ago now. So this is nothing against
who Brooks is now. But he does strike me as one
of those kids who's like, what can I get out
of this? Oh, a million. Yeah, you're probably
right. And by the way, if you think for one second
that I wasn't a little demon monster like that
when I was 19. A hundred percent. A hundred percent.
Well, it's like and it's whatever. I don't even
blame him. He has two semi -wealthy parents.
His mom's on a TV show. He's like, I wonder how
much I can blow. I don't blame him. I don't know.
I don't blame him for that. Yeah. The conversation
between Meredith and Meredith. Oh, my God. Meredith
and Seth starts out super awkward. And we get
to the good part where Seth asked Meredith to
give him another chance to catch up. to where
she is emotionally. And I think, I think that
he has gone to therapy because he does use therapy
speech a lot. Yes. Not in a bad way. No, no,
no, no, no. But I think he's doing it in a way
that's like, I'm trying to grow from this. And
like something that I really love that he said
is he goes, how are you processing what I'm saying?
Cause he's like checking in with Meredith and
like, I do think, say what you will about Seth
and Meredith and like, where like the couple
of turns their marriage took I do think they
are two people that are good together they work
together and I think that this was us seeing
like the work that goes into making a relationship
work after it's like been in bumpy waters yeah
and I also think that Seth is like the perfect
guy to do that with Meredith because she can
be love her to death she can be a bit closed
off and ambiguous and i think seth is a good
guy to be like no really like how are you feeling
right now right dead ass yeah i i love that but
i also and like i think you're right about her
like being closed off but like i think she's
one of these people that's like when when she
says i'm disengaging like she's very serious
about that she's like no no like i'm i'm done
engaging with you as a person and i think seth
has like really put in the work of like, let's,
let's climb over this wall. And I love that about
him. Yeah. It also makes me sad because I'm like,
what happened to her to make her protect her
piece so hard? You know what I mean? Like, I
wonder, like, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah.
But the long and short of it is Meredith talks
about how she realized she really missed Seth
during the separation and she doesn't want life
without him. And. I love where they're at. And
like, obviously, I've watched every one of these
episodes 10 ,000 times. So like, I love where
they're headed. But in this moment, like it did
like the first time I watched this, it like gave
me a little like beacon of hope, like, oh, they're
going to be OK. And I'm glad that like at some
point we get confirmation of that. I also got
the vibe that Meredith was a little uncomfortable,
like the weird vibes were there because she knew
cameras were watching her and she was about to
be a little bit vulnerable. You know what I mean?
I think those are the best housewife moments
though. 100%. I just think it's not necessarily
weirdness between Meredith and Seth. It's more,
Oh man, I'm about to say something very real.
You know what I mean? Yeah. That's the vibe that
I got. That's fair. But I also think in the,
in the first season of housewives, the like behind
the scenes, they do talk about this where like,
you're very hyper aware of the cameras, the first
couple of seasons, but like, That's why they
talk about like season season three housewives
are really where they hit their stride because.
Yeah. You forget the cameras are there to adjust
yourself. Well, just like anything, like any
job or anything, you just like get comfortable
after a while. Sure. And it's like I've already
done so much shit on this channel that is Bravo.
I like what are they going to do to me now? I
don't care. Whitney and Justin head over to Whitney's
dad's sober living house and. So this this scene
was a lot for me. I'm not going to lie to you.
So Whitney's dad is getting a sober living roommate,
which is a normal standard practice. And I'm
shocked that he went as long as he did without
having a roommate, because like these houses,
the way they're designed, like I go back and
forth because I'm like, it is a place where people
go to get sober and stay sober. And like, this
is really good for them. And like the roommate
is. part of an accountability thing where it's
like you, you, you're only as sick as your secrets
and like you, you can't hide when you have someone
living with you. Right. At the same time, I feel
like part of the problem is these houses are
so full that you are forced to have a roommate,
but you have to come into it having like some
level of humility saying I, it's all on the table.
It is what it is. The cost of privacy is a heavy
burden though. A hundred percent. Like I, I would
not do well without having any privacy ever.
Sure. So I get it. Yeah. Like the one, the one
guy that I knew, um, in Louisiana who was in
sober living, he got like his own room, which
was in like a detached portion of this big house.
And that was because he had been there for like
over a year. You earned it. And he, yeah. They
like trusted him to some extent to stay sober.
Cause he didn't have like big red flags or anything.
He was also free to like come and go as he pleases,
which is not necessarily the case. When you first
get there, you like sign in and out and stuff.
So it's hard. Um, but the therapist has already
briefed Whitney on the situation and like they
walk in and it's incredibly tense. Um, and this
is where. I I want to like Whitney's dad, but
I know exactly where it's headed because like
I've lived this with people before. I know exactly
what it looks like. And you he goes into it and
he's like, I had this life. I want to get back
to this life. I'm not willing to put in any of
the work that it takes to get back into this
life. And well, yeah, I get it. And like, it's
probably harder for you having like gone through
it so personally. Not, Travis was not the addict,
is not the addict. It's, you know, whatever.
Couple other people in my life, yeah. Very close
to an addict. And I haven't, I can understand
him to some point of being like, I am entitled
to this life that I had because I worked for
that already. Why do I have to work for that
again? Okay. You know what I mean? I see what
you're saying, yeah. And like obviously that's
not the reality of the matter, but I can see
why he kind of feels that way. And I also feel
like this isn't really like him, his personality.
This is like him going through a really, really
hard time mentally. And a level of denial that
he's in that. Right. Right. Because I don't think
anyone wants to be like. Oh, yeah, I'm a crackhead
or whatever. And I think that's the hard part
is like. It's it happens so quickly, like any
any family that's ever gone through this, you
will never meet anyone that is more empathetic
to this situation than I am, because like I know
how quickly the wheels fall off. I've watched
it and like and and it's so quick. We're like
you. You have an inkling that something is happening
in someone's life. And then like immediately
it's like I'm arrested. I like overdose. Something's
going on. And like you blame yourself a little
bit because you're like. How didn't I not see
it? How did I not see the problem? Like the signs
were all there. And it's like you gaslight yourself
almost. But also they're hiding it. Right. And
of course they are. Right. But it's sad. It is
sad. It is sad. But. Yeah. On the other side
of that. You have no money. You have no job.
You have no support system other than your daughter.
And like you're saying, I want to I want to do
this again. I want to be a millionaire again.
And it's like, you know, the work that goes into
that. You've done the work before. Right. And
you know where you are now. Like, tell me how
to get there. Like, so. Yeah. No, it's going
to be incredibly hard on Whitney, too, because
I know that she she sees a person we haven't
met yet because we've only met him like as an
addict. Right. but she knows like what he, what
he is at his best, you know? And so it's hard
to even know where she's coming from because
we don't know him like that. Um, and it's just
hard to watch it all play out in this scene,
especially it's like, I wish Whitney stood her
ground a little bit more, but I am proud of her
for. I am too. What she did. I'm incredibly proud
of her. But like the sick part, and this is what
addicts do, is like they'll make everything else
your problem. So like I guess Whitney's dad had
made a list the first time she went or he went
to rehab. He had made a list of all the things
he'd pay for for her growing up. That she was
entitled to. She was a child. Yes. Hello. But
it's like the car, the education, everything
else. Yeah. And held that over her head to make
her pay for her going or for her dad to go to
rehab. For the first time. That's so insane.
And I heard that and I was like, fuck you. Fuck
you, Diane Warren. And that's why I feel like
she, like I wish she were a little meaner to
her dad. I do too. Because he's, he's really
pulling those strings. Can I tell you why she's
not though? Because she's terrified he's going
to turn on her because he's done it before. Like
this, this is the thing. And like, I mean, we
come to find out at the end of the season, this
is not a surprise. Like it's not a spoiler. But
he doesn't he doesn't talk to her anymore. And
I know exactly I know the rope she's walking
in her head because I walk it every day with
some of these people. I know exactly what she's
talking about, where it's like what she's what's
going on. Not what she's saying out loud, but
it's like if I say the wrong thing, if I make
him too mad, he'll he'll run away. He'll die.
It'll be my fault. Like that's exactly what's
going through her head. And I can understand
why you would think that way. But as someone
who's never had to deal with like. an addict
who's not in recovery or anything like that personally
i wish she could see things objectively to be
like i get that if he ran away and od'd that's
not your fault nothing to do with you right nothing
to do with you and in fact you're one of the
only people in his life who tried to prevent
that so I don't know. Yeah. And it's hard because
Whitney is so sweet. She's such like a sweet
little angel. And I wish she could just be that
all the time, but she has to like be her dad's
mom. It's hard. Um, but I do feel like Whitney
and Justin did a really good job in this conversation.
And Justin said all the right things like, and
this is where I think Justin. Is a very good
businessman because I saw exactly what he was
doing, where he was like an objective third party
in a conversation and he jumped in and he is
like, let's let's rip this apart. Yeah. Yeah.
And so I was like, I really liked what he did
there. Um, I feel like this is the first time
I started to really like Justin because I feel
like it's the first time we talked to him. And
all we know about him is that like he was married
and she was married and then yes. And that's
like all I knew. And so I was like, does he really
like her? Like I wanted some proof. I see what
you're saying. And I got that. I think that like
they are really destined to be together. Like,
Oh yeah. Yeah. They're a great couple. Yeah.
And I love him. And this was the first time that
we like, got to see that yeah instead of like
is this just some skis who wanted hot young whitney
like you know i didn't know i didn't have an
opinion on that yet yeah um everyone except for
mary goes snowmobiling and i i like the idea
i like skiing i like the idea of snowboarding
i've never been snowboarding i've been snow tubing
Me too. I've never wanted to go snowmobiling.
Like, that's not exciting to me. That's not interesting
to me. I love riding around on a golf cart, and
I feel like it might be similar. But also, it
might be delusional. I don't know. It's like
a four -wheeler. Like, I don't know. It did not...
I like the idea of getting to the top of the
mountain. Don't want to do it on a snowmobile.
That's just me. I do like that Heather said snowmobiling
is a lot like sex. It's much more fulfilling
alone. And I love her. Oh, my God. And that spoke
anything to her marriage. Thank God she got that
divorce. Yeah. Everyone's confused about Seth
and Meredith being happy. And here's here's the
thing. Every single person. on god's green earth
has like been in a situation where you've watched
a couple who you know is going through a hard
time and like they're they're either a just going
through the motions or b trying to make it work
everyone has seen that everyone's experienced
that And that's okay. You have to let people
figure it out. Couples go through ups and downs.
Like if they never had a harsh spot, I would
be suspicious. Yeah. Because I know you've had
a bad spot and you're just not telling anyone.
Right. 100%. Can I also just say, I feel like
as a friend, you have a right to ask how things
are going. You also have an obligation to accept
the answer you are given. You don't need to do
this whole thing where you're like, well, I don't
think she's telling me the whole story. Maybe
she's not. Maybe she's not. Be her friend. She's
telling you enough to support her through this
time. And that's all you get. But I don't think
Meredith has ever been dishonest about like,
hey, we're trying to figure it out. No, but she
also doesn't have to be like, yeah, we're separated.
Yeah, we're dating other people. Like she does
not have to say that if she doesn't want to.
The whole thing is it the whole I could tell
that it was like. We had nothing else to talk
about in the scene. Let's like really hone in
on this. Yeah. Yeah. It bothered me. But Sharif
talked about how he and Jen met. And I really,
really like Sharif. Like he's like silly and
he's goofy. But like he's also like. Like a good,
strong husband. And I feel like. For as much
shit as Jen, as much shit as you can give Jen,
I can tell that they have a very good, strong
marriage. 100%. I feel like he does show, like,
on TV, he, like, is very silly, very lighthearted,
all of that. But, like, you can tell. There's
like an intense side to him. A hundred percent.
Which he's a football coach. Like, duh. And also
he's married to Jen Shaw. So you have to be.
Yeah. You're going to war. Yeah. So I can, I
can just tell. And I really like him too. Um,
and it seems like their kids are very like comfortable.
Oh yeah. Around their parents, which I love.
And then Whitney pulls Heather aside and tells
her the rumors that Jen hinted at. And we found
out that Jen showed pictures of Meredith with
another guy to, I guess, to Whitney. And Heather's
a real one. And she goes, we're not getting into
that. That's what I like about Heather. Heather's
like, I don't care. Yeah. OK, great. Like what?
And I guess like. to what end to what end are
you pulling out these pictures and like here's
my friend who's going through something with
her husband do you think she's hot right i don't
think there's necessarily anything wrong with
that but also i know jen i know that she was
trying to be messy yes i like i don't know like
diva the way you're out looking for truth let's
wait until the middle of season two and see how,
how into the truth you are. Like, come on diva.
Like, um, and then we get to the last scene where
everyone heads over to Jen's house for dinner.
And I don't usually love the way wood grain looks,
but I love the inside of Jennifer Shaw's house.
Like I think it is so beautiful. Like it is a
ski chalet. I love it. Yeah. I do love the like
cabin luxury, luxury cabin vibes. Yeah. For sure.
Because you still have like floor to ceiling
windows. Like, don't get it twisted. Yeah. Yeah.
I love that house. I really do. Sharif asked
about the conflict between owning a liquor store
and owning a liquor brand and being a Mormon.
And Lisa really dances around that question.
She goes, for me, it's it's different. Like,
I'm a Mormon by choice. Like the whole. yeah
the whole thing it's like and they they get deeper
into this as the seasons go on because i think
they were very scared to approach the mormon
dynamic i don't blame them in the church of mormon
or i'm sorry in the church of latter -day saints
drinking smoking caffeine sex before marriage
it's all completely off limits Not caffeine,
though. Just coffee. Because Swig is fine. I'm
sorry, hot caffeine. Okay. Yeah. But there are
very, very specific rules. And, like, I grew
up in the Nazarene Church. The Nazarene Church
and the Mormon Church, there are a lot of similarities
there. Like, there are some things where, like,
they break off into different sections. But fundamentally,
it's all the exact same thing, right? No drinking.
No sex before marriage. The whole song and dance.
If you ask someone who truly practices any of
these faiths, they will tell you, you cannot
drink, you cannot support drinking, you cannot
do any of it. Yeah. That being said, I go back
and forth with this. We're like, Lisa's so obsessed
with being a Mormon. And that's common for people
that have converted from religion to a religion
because you're so committed to this thing. I
don't care if she's a Mormon. I want her to be
a Mormon. That's fine. The problem that I have
with it is when people want to like dangle this
thing in front of you, be like, well, this is
a contradiction. And I'm like, religion's nothing
but contradictions. Like leave her alone. 100%.
I feel like they were trying to come at it from
an angle. By they, I mean the producers. 100%.
I think they were trying to come at it at an
angle of like. This is progressive. Look, you
can be Mormon and do this. Oh, okay. I see what
you're saying. But also the way it read, I was
scared watching at this point, like going into
season two, that it was going to be like, she's
Mormon only when it suits her type of thing.
And I wouldn't be into that show. You know what?
And they kind of did do that. Yeah. And is that
kind of true for her? Yes. Yeah. But I don't
care. I do think religion is a very personal
thing. Yes. And if you find something that you
connect with, go after that. And if there's something
in your life that doesn't connect with that,
that's fine. The thing that I will always appreciate
about Lisa Barlow is. She doesn't ever use the
religion against other people. She's never said,
Whitney, you cheated on your husband with Justin.
You're a bad person. She's never once said that.
She's said, Whitney, you do attention a lot.
There's some other problematic things there,
but I don't think it's ever rooted in religion.
She loves gay people. She loves... Tequila. She
loves tequila. She loves all that, but she's
never said... Well, gay, the church doesn't like
you. So I'm not doing that with you today. Like
she's never once done that. She's also so close
with Meredith and like comes over to her Shabbat
and eats challah and all of that, like does all
of that. So I feel like she's very, I don't know
if progressive is the word or like she's just
open to new ideas. She's not, she's not closed
off in the way that I think. you and i look at
religion and that forcing people to be closed
off do you know what i mean yeah and there are
some people who are that way but she's not and
i think that that's good of her yeah i agree
but i don't know yeah i was very scared watching
this that it was going to turn into a whole mormon
thing no which it doesn't i'm glad it doesn't
um And then let's see where we are. The girls
go out and get in the hot tub and the guys play
games upstairs. And I usually don't love scenes
with the other or like with the husbands, like
separately from the wives. I genuinely like all
these husbands. Yeah. And it seems like they
get along. I feel like in a lot of the other
franchises, you can tell that it's like such
a mishmash of people who like don't really know
each other. And like it's awkward and weird.
This didn't feel like that necessarily. Yeah.
Yeah. Like it seemed like they were. kind of
hitting it off right when like you can tell like
this is still very early on and like you can
tell none of them actually knew each other going
into it except for lisa and meredith yeah um
I do think that like all of these guys, like
there's no fucking ego about it. Like there's,
I love that. They're like, yeah, we're just all
here hanging out. We're just guys. Like I like
all of them. And I can see how that happened
because all of their personalities kind of like
allow for that. Like I look at Sharif and Justin
who were like very heavy in this episode specifically.
And it's like, yeah, of course they would get
along. Oh, of course. 100%. And like, like. I
also like the dynamic between Seth and John where
like John is so like buttoned up and closed off
sometimes and Seth is so like silly goofy. Yeah.
I feel like they could be friends in real life.
Like if you told me that they knew each other
before Meredith and Lisa knew each other, I would
100 % like acknowledge that. Yeah. But yeah,
I don't know. They have. they kind of have magic
in a bottle with these husbands not that that's
what anyone cares about watching housewives but
they really do seem cool with each other that's
what i love about this city so much is like there
and i think it all comes back to there's not
a lot of ego about any of it i think the most
ego anyone had was jen shaw and like i genuinely
believe a lot of the like the blubs that we get
like say what you will about jen shaw later like
towards the middle and end of season two and
three right now i think all the blow -ups you
get are like trying to make the show something
that people wanted to watch yeah dramatic enough
to hold the attention of yeah people who liked
atlanta or like exactly oc or whatever you know
you had to have some drama and i think that like
god this like uh there's i there's i can't say
a negative thing about one of them i yeah You
can, but like I can't like as it relates to the
show itself. Yeah, there's no one where I'm like
I could live without her. Yeah. Like for season
one of Salt Lake City. Absolutely not. Love them.
And then we end with the girls out in the hot
tub. And like, have you ever been in a hot tub
in the snow? Yeah. Oh, my God. It's the best
thing ever. It's the best until you have to get
out. It's like the worst. Actually, if you have
like a robe handy, that would be great. If they
had a towel warmer, that would be great. I believe
Jen Shaw has a towel warmer. There's no way she
doesn't. It really is nice. But that brings us
to the end of this episode of The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City. I guess Emma's last episode
for this year. I hate this. But you, like, record
little voice notes. Yeah. I'll record voice notes
for how it's going, you know, with the baby.
I'll even, I mean, I'll be back sooner than you
think, I think. I don't have to twist and turn
or walk around to record the podcast. Once I
have a baby who naps on the regular. I think
that'll come quick. I'll kill myself if it doesn't.
Jack was not a good sleeper, so I'm hoping I
get good karma with this baby. I hope so. But
from Indy to wherever you are, we love you. Thank
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