WEBVTT 00:00:12.199 --> 00:00:15.240 Hi, my name is Travis, and this is Bestie Approved. 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:19.140 I'm obviously still here without Emma, but I 00:00:19.140 --> 00:00:23.460 do have a very, very special and exciting and, 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:27.500 like, just all -around cool guest host that I'm 00:00:27.500 --> 00:00:31.140 hanging out with today. Comedian, podcast host, 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:34.539 and pop culture connoisseur Jalinta Greenberg 00:00:34.539 --> 00:00:36.880 is hanging out with me today, and I'm so excited. 00:00:37.020 --> 00:00:39.600 She's just so fucking cool, and I cannot wait 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:43.640 to talk to her. So, Jalinta, tell us a little 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:45.920 bit about yourself. Oh, my gosh. Thank you so 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:51.479 much for having me, Travis. What about me? I'm 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:55.479 a comedian. I'm a podcaster. I got my start. 00:00:56.250 --> 00:00:59.929 In podcasting, when my friend and I started a 00:00:59.929 --> 00:01:03.890 podcast for a podcast competition her work was 00:01:03.890 --> 00:01:08.909 hosting, and we became finalists, and we got 00:01:08.909 --> 00:01:11.810 to make a pilot of a show that I had a random 00:01:11.810 --> 00:01:14.549 idea for, which is We Lived by Self -Help Books. 00:01:15.460 --> 00:01:17.780 religiously two weeks at a time and then reported 00:01:17.780 --> 00:01:20.379 back sort of like reality show style with like 00:01:20.379 --> 00:01:24.159 clips from our lives. And that show ended up 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:26.299 doing pretty well. It was called By the Book. 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:30.260 It ran for years. We wrote a book about our experience. 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:33.859 Then we shifted the show to be a bit more of 00:01:33.859 --> 00:01:38.019 an advice show. And then my podcast co -host 00:01:38.019 --> 00:01:41.099 wanted to branch out and as did I. And now I 00:01:41.099 --> 00:01:46.019 make podcasts about reality TV. i love it and 00:01:46.019 --> 00:01:49.819 that's that's me in a nutshell and it's the coolest 00:01:49.819 --> 00:01:51.299 thing and i want to get into the book a little 00:01:51.299 --> 00:01:54.560 bit because as you know i bought the book i sat 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:57.900 down and like you're very right through it it's 00:01:57.900 --> 00:02:03.400 a good book it's an easy read if anything it's 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:05.640 well so it's not too i'll get into it i will 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:09.979 i promise because i i uh it's not heavy though 00:02:09.979 --> 00:02:12.979 but like there's a lot there like and i yeah 00:02:12.979 --> 00:02:17.330 yeah Yeah. But before I get into it, we ask everyone, 00:02:17.409 --> 00:02:21.129 what's the last song you listened to? Oh, shoot. 00:02:21.310 --> 00:02:24.990 What is the last song I listened to? I'm like 00:02:24.990 --> 00:02:29.830 racking my brain. I think it was Joyride by Kesha. 00:02:30.210 --> 00:02:32.189 Shut the fuck up. Do you want to know what my 00:02:32.189 --> 00:02:35.409 last song was? What was it? Joyride by Kesha. 00:02:35.530 --> 00:02:39.069 No way. I swear to God. I just had like sort 00:02:39.069 --> 00:02:41.569 of an itch for it. So I put it on the other day. 00:02:42.510 --> 00:02:46.210 that's so funny i just got my apple music replay 00:02:46.210 --> 00:02:49.770 and like she was my top artist for four months 00:02:49.770 --> 00:02:51.909 in a row and i was like that that feels correct 00:02:51.909 --> 00:02:55.949 yeah she's almost always my top artist i love 00:02:55.949 --> 00:02:58.270 her i saw her in concert over the summer and 00:02:58.270 --> 00:03:01.370 like jealous i never thought i'd be this person 00:03:01.370 --> 00:03:05.330 but like she comes out and like immediately like 00:03:05.330 --> 00:03:07.689 i'm like just screaming crying throwing up like 00:03:07.689 --> 00:03:10.430 oh yeah and i was like i don't understand what's 00:03:10.430 --> 00:03:12.189 happening right now i don't know it happens it 00:03:12.189 --> 00:03:16.210 happens all the time no happens to me too i went 00:03:16.210 --> 00:03:19.969 to yeah but how was the concert was it so good 00:03:19.969 --> 00:03:24.250 she puts on a fucking show man like i mean up 00:03:24.250 --> 00:03:27.150 there she's a good like showman she's a great 00:03:27.150 --> 00:03:33.750 singer like yeah yeah and like i think she i 00:03:33.750 --> 00:03:35.830 think she really knows where to lean into like 00:03:35.830 --> 00:03:38.770 the fandom of like i i made it out of this like 00:03:38.770 --> 00:03:41.569 this horrible situation and like i'm in the audience 00:03:41.569 --> 00:03:44.169 with the lighters up and like the tears i was 00:03:44.169 --> 00:03:50.129 like god this is this is cinema but uh it's uh 00:03:50.129 --> 00:03:52.930 i can't i couldn't get enough of it but i want 00:03:52.930 --> 00:03:54.590 to talk about your book for a second so you wrote 00:03:54.590 --> 00:03:56.270 a book with your friend christian called how 00:03:56.270 --> 00:03:59.750 to be fine and i bought it such a good book like 00:03:59.750 --> 00:04:02.930 i and i like i actually thought when i sat down 00:04:02.930 --> 00:04:06.110 it was gonna be like just like a silly goofy 00:04:06.110 --> 00:04:08.629 collection of essays like making fun of self 00:04:08.629 --> 00:04:11.889 -help books and like some of it kind of we do 00:04:11.889 --> 00:04:15.150 a little bit but like yeah but like it was a 00:04:15.150 --> 00:04:19.209 lot more than that and like i found a quote from 00:04:19.209 --> 00:04:21.050 like your section from the very beginning of 00:04:21.050 --> 00:04:24.220 it that like really resonated with me. And I'm 00:04:24.220 --> 00:04:26.279 just going to tell you, it's okay. I'm always 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:28.800 two weeks behind. I'm always catching up on life. 00:04:28.939 --> 00:04:31.620 I've always been just, I'm always just a few 00:04:31.620 --> 00:04:34.720 beats behind all of life's prescribed normal 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:37.720 milestones, getting to them a bit later than 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:40.319 everyone else, whether it's getting comfortable, 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:42.360 leaving my tissues at school, having my first 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:45.279 kiss, falling in love, getting a real job. I'm 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:48.680 always running behind. And like the way that 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:52.009 I was like, oh, she and I are the same person. 00:04:52.149 --> 00:04:54.350 Like I locked in immediately because like - Oh, 00:04:54.350 --> 00:04:58.050 that's so great. I'm glad other people feel that 00:04:58.050 --> 00:05:01.250 way too. Yeah, like, and I think no one talks 00:05:01.250 --> 00:05:04.269 about that. So like, that was really cool. And 00:05:04.269 --> 00:05:06.329 then your friend Kristen sounds like a perfect 00:05:06.329 --> 00:05:08.689 angel. And like, I loved everything about the 00:05:08.689 --> 00:05:11.550 way you described her because that's how I talk 00:05:11.550 --> 00:05:14.009 about like Emma, my co -host and my best friend, 00:05:14.069 --> 00:05:18.600 Jackie. So I - I'm glad that someone else has 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:21.720 people like that. Right, yeah. You're like adult 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:25.899 friends. You're the person I can go to for adult 00:05:25.899 --> 00:05:29.839 questions. Like, how should I repaint my house? 00:05:31.500 --> 00:05:34.439 Who's a lawyer I could call? What kind of insurance 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:39.240 do I need? What is insurance? Couldn't tell you. 00:05:39.740 --> 00:05:43.540 No, but Kristen could. Kristen could. And Jackie 00:05:43.540 --> 00:05:47.750 could. Exactly. But the cool thing I thought 00:05:47.750 --> 00:05:50.670 about the book, you broke it up between two sections 00:05:50.670 --> 00:05:53.649 of like more than two, but like it was the primary 00:05:53.649 --> 00:05:56.370 two were things that worked and things that didn't. 00:05:56.370 --> 00:05:58.629 Do you still have like one of those concepts 00:05:58.629 --> 00:06:03.589 that you still use today? I have a few. Yeah. 00:06:03.889 --> 00:06:08.759 I mean, I still stand by the like, if you. If 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:11.800 you see someone like swearing by something as 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:14.800 like the main cure -all or like the one thing 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:16.600 you'll need to focus on to get your shit together, 00:06:16.779 --> 00:06:20.000 like you can, it's always fine if that doesn't 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:23.740 vibe with you and that like doesn't move you 00:06:23.740 --> 00:06:27.259 to be your best you because those books or those 00:06:27.259 --> 00:06:29.579 like methods are usually bullshit when it's like, 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:32.319 if you just wake up at this time or like if you 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:35.160 just meditate for this amount, like the ones 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:38.550 that have the like one key. if that doesn't vibe 00:06:38.550 --> 00:06:40.889 with you that's very normal they vibe with a 00:06:40.889 --> 00:06:43.470 select few and then it'll totally change their 00:06:43.470 --> 00:06:46.089 lives but like if it's not vibing with you it's 00:06:46.089 --> 00:06:49.290 fine so that's that's a key takeaway that i've 00:06:49.290 --> 00:06:51.790 always stuck with more on the what doesn't work 00:06:51.790 --> 00:06:54.889 side where it's like you know if if someone swears 00:06:54.889 --> 00:06:56.970 meditation is like change their whole outlook 00:06:56.970 --> 00:06:59.250 and it's like giving you panic attacks like then 00:06:59.250 --> 00:07:00.970 it gives you panic attacks you're not fucked 00:07:00.970 --> 00:07:04.279 up like it just doesn't work for you i think 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:07.240 that's really cool like to validate that for 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:09.379 other people because i think a lot of people 00:07:09.379 --> 00:07:12.899 walk away from like i i don't i don't know like 00:07:12.899 --> 00:07:15.079 the that uh you the one he talked about the girl 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:17.879 wash your face uh that the girl or the woman 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:21.579 that wrote that book people like take her word 00:07:21.579 --> 00:07:23.680 to be gospel and like i look at that and i'm 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:31.160 like are you sure yeah why Yeah, washing your 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:33.079 face. I don't know. I wash my face all the time 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:35.600 in my life still a wreck. So yeah, like I managed 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:37.839 to brush my teeth and still like feel like a 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:40.399 fuck up. So yeah, but you did it. And that's 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:44.060 important. And like something that pretty much 00:07:44.060 --> 00:07:46.139 always works where it's like to get yourself 00:07:46.139 --> 00:07:49.620 out of a little slump or to stop like ruminating 00:07:49.620 --> 00:07:52.379 on something like, like doing something kind 00:07:52.379 --> 00:07:54.839 for other people or like giving a little bit 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:58.360 if you can, like usually does help. If you have 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:01.000 the resources or the energy, you know, that's 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:03.319 like something that, that I've found like is 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:08.199 generally true. Sure. So that's like some good 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:10.740 advice, but yeah, the good advice is pretty general 00:08:10.740 --> 00:08:12.779 and it's like, be nice to yourself, be nice to 00:08:12.779 --> 00:08:14.980 other people. Like those things are always usually 00:08:14.980 --> 00:08:18.600 working. It's, and that's, I think that's the 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:20.740 cool thing is like, I think when you get down 00:08:20.740 --> 00:08:23.160 into it, the self -help industry is like, it's 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:26.649 really holding on by a thread because. no one 00:08:26.649 --> 00:08:29.660 has the answer and like It's all pretty general. 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:33.000 Like when you get down to it. Like, yeah, everything 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:36.139 is just a repurposing of something else. The 00:08:36.139 --> 00:08:38.960 secret was how to win, how to win friends and 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:43.240 influence people was like, you know, girl, wash 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:44.940 your face. Like they're all the same. They're 00:08:44.940 --> 00:08:47.639 all about like manifest a little bit and like 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:50.320 get up early and like regiment your morning. 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:52.740 And it's like, yeah, it doesn't always work. 00:08:52.980 --> 00:08:55.419 We'll see what happens, I guess. Right. And it's 00:08:55.419 --> 00:08:58.940 also just like. Now that we're, I feel like so 00:08:58.940 --> 00:09:01.080 far in the future from when a lot of those books 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:03.340 like were huge successes, like we've also seen 00:09:03.340 --> 00:09:05.960 the downfall of a lot of these self -proclaimed 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:08.899 gurus, like Rachel Hollis's life fell apart. 00:09:09.940 --> 00:09:12.019 She and her husband had a whole empire about 00:09:12.019 --> 00:09:14.519 like rise together and then they split up and 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:18.720 like. he passed away like you know and things 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:22.059 weren't good and it's like you know tony robbins 00:09:22.059 --> 00:09:26.139 is a creep and like they're all we you know they're 00:09:26.139 --> 00:09:30.100 all just sales people peddling their spiel we 00:09:30.100 --> 00:09:35.299 love a snake oil salesman here yeah um have you 00:09:35.299 --> 00:09:38.139 ever done the we're not really strangers game 00:09:38.139 --> 00:09:44.419 no pick a number between 1 and 15 uh 12 okay 00:09:45.019 --> 00:09:49.620 So the whole idea is like this, it's questions 00:09:49.620 --> 00:09:52.159 that like you can ask to like create deeper connection. 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:55.000 I actually kind of like this one. What has been 00:09:55.000 --> 00:10:01.309 your favorite age so far? Oh, shit. Um, what 00:10:01.309 --> 00:10:04.450 has been my favorite age so far? I mean, it's 00:10:04.450 --> 00:10:07.330 gonna sound really basic. But like, I really 00:10:07.330 --> 00:10:11.690 liked being 21. Being able to like, go to a bar 00:10:11.690 --> 00:10:13.789 or you know, I lived in California at the time 00:10:13.789 --> 00:10:16.809 and like go just go to BevMo and load up on like 00:10:16.809 --> 00:10:20.190 wholesale alcohol. Hell yeah, it was it was a 00:10:20.190 --> 00:10:23.149 very freeing feeling to not be using a fake ID 00:10:23.149 --> 00:10:26.570 to like get into places. And I just, I felt like, 00:10:26.610 --> 00:10:29.590 you know, the world was mine. I had a driver's 00:10:29.590 --> 00:10:32.570 license. license that was real and it could get 00:10:32.570 --> 00:10:35.950 me alcohol and i kind of enjoyed like how simple 00:10:35.950 --> 00:10:38.149 like it's a pretty simple pleasure that i was 00:10:38.149 --> 00:10:40.710 just like thought you know i've owned the world 00:10:40.710 --> 00:10:44.690 because fuck yeah 21 it is that's perfect legally 00:10:44.690 --> 00:10:50.250 buy booze I love that. I should evaluate my relationship 00:10:50.250 --> 00:10:54.570 with alcohol. No, it's not the conversation we're 00:10:54.570 --> 00:10:56.129 going to have here today because I'll just validate 00:10:56.129 --> 00:10:58.470 the hell out of it. I'm like, keep drinking. 00:10:58.590 --> 00:11:01.649 It's fine. It's fine. Just whatever. Just make 00:11:01.649 --> 00:11:06.370 a spritz and shut up. Before we dive into Reality 00:11:06.370 --> 00:11:09.090 Roundup, do you have anything on your heart that 00:11:09.090 --> 00:11:12.350 you want to complain about? Do I have anything 00:11:12.350 --> 00:11:14.649 I want to complain about on my heart? Yes, this 00:11:14.649 --> 00:11:17.360 is... mine and mine and Emma's favorite thing 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:20.860 to do. So I, I often tell my husband, like, I 00:11:20.860 --> 00:11:23.720 need you to partake in my pastimes, my favorite 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:27.460 pastimes, which are complaining. So I, I totally 00:11:27.460 --> 00:11:30.039 feel you right now. I have a lot of complaints 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:34.080 for Apple keyboards and them always typing the 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:36.720 wrong thing. No matter like how many times I 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:39.100 confirm I'm like touching the right letter on 00:11:39.100 --> 00:11:41.620 my phone. It just like, I feel like it just makes 00:11:41.620 --> 00:11:45.899 up a whole new word. And I fucking hate it. And 00:11:45.899 --> 00:11:48.100 it makes me feel like I'm losing the ability 00:11:48.100 --> 00:11:50.899 to speak or spell. And then I'm like, I don't 00:11:50.899 --> 00:11:52.799 know. I don't know. I don't know who's fucking 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:55.399 up. Sometimes I'm like, am I stroking out? Or 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:58.360 is it just spelling? Is it just like writing 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:02.730 pretzel instead of people over and over? no and 00:12:02.730 --> 00:12:05.129 it's like i also know that like i don't say duck 00:12:05.129 --> 00:12:06.669 and like i don't know how we've gotten back to 00:12:06.669 --> 00:12:09.669 that when i'm right right you knew how i spoke 00:12:09.669 --> 00:12:12.830 you used to know yeah you siri used to get me 00:12:12.830 --> 00:12:16.200 yeah um I have one thing to complain about and 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:18.360 it's these little goddamn smart labels that I 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:20.679 bought where like, I thought I was, I was going 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:22.299 to like, I was in an episode where I was like, 00:12:22.340 --> 00:12:24.019 I'm going to, I'm going to Marie Kondo my entire 00:12:24.019 --> 00:12:26.360 life. I'm going to organize everything. And it's 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:28.340 these like little stickers that like have a QR 00:12:28.340 --> 00:12:29.860 code on them. Right. I was going to say they're 00:12:29.860 --> 00:12:33.120 like scannable, right? Yeah. Yes. And like, there's 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:35.399 an app and it's like, you scan the QR code and 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:37.480 it's like, you tell it what all's in the box 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:40.820 that has the QR code on it. And I did exactly 00:12:40.820 --> 00:12:42.639 what you were supposed to do with these things. 00:12:42.659 --> 00:12:44.909 And I. put everything i organized all of it it's 00:12:44.909 --> 00:12:47.450 the most beautiful organization system and then 00:12:47.450 --> 00:12:49.889 i closed the boxes i closed the app and i didn't 00:12:49.889 --> 00:12:51.870 think about it for a full year until i knew i 00:12:51.870 --> 00:12:54.809 needed something for christmas decorations so 00:12:54.809 --> 00:12:57.429 i pull out the app and it says you have to upgrade 00:12:57.429 --> 00:13:01.509 to see what's in your boxes and the way took 00:13:01.509 --> 00:13:04.690 to my email and ripped this company apart. And 00:13:04.690 --> 00:13:06.970 it's like, it's $30 a year. So it's not that, 00:13:07.029 --> 00:13:09.509 but it's the principle of the thing for me. It's 00:13:09.509 --> 00:13:12.710 the like, there's a paywall to get to like your 00:13:12.710 --> 00:13:17.289 own item information. Like that's crazy. And 00:13:17.289 --> 00:13:19.590 the way that like, so I emailed this company 00:13:19.590 --> 00:13:21.950 and they send me back an email saying, cause 00:13:21.950 --> 00:13:24.049 I said on the website, it says there's not a 00:13:24.049 --> 00:13:28.500 subscription required. And they said, well, access 00:13:28.500 --> 00:13:31.440 to like the inventory of the boxes as a premium 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:35.240 feature and i was like i want you shut down this 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:38.220 is like that black mirror episode they put out 00:13:38.220 --> 00:13:42.000 not too long ago with like um with rashida jones 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:45.720 about how like you have to keep subscribing like 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:48.700 keep upping your subscription to like have access 00:13:48.700 --> 00:13:52.659 to being alive but it's like it's so true though 00:13:52.659 --> 00:13:55.399 because it's like every time i get anything it's 00:13:55.399 --> 00:13:58.460 like uh what toyota i think was like the most 00:13:58.460 --> 00:14:00.539 recent one that was like if you want access to 00:14:00.539 --> 00:14:02.940 literally listen to the radio that's not carplay 00:14:02.940 --> 00:14:07.279 you must pay a premium and i'm like oh my god 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:10.500 in this economy like that's crazy that's wild 00:14:10.500 --> 00:14:15.639 here we are um always upselling us even our labels 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:21.750 it's so annoying but um So this episode couldn't 00:14:21.750 --> 00:14:25.230 have come at a more exciting time because one 00:14:25.230 --> 00:14:28.450 Miss Jennifer Shaw is getting out of prison on 00:14:28.450 --> 00:14:30.570 December 10th. So Christmas is coming early. 00:14:30.669 --> 00:14:33.049 So I'm setting this to release on her release 00:14:33.049 --> 00:14:35.750 date. And it kind of brings the whole thing full 00:14:35.750 --> 00:14:39.610 circle. So I'm excited. Are you ready to dive 00:14:39.610 --> 00:14:42.730 in? Yeah, I am. And I just, like, I'm curious 00:14:42.730 --> 00:14:45.590 to hear about Jen when she gets out. Like, she 00:14:45.590 --> 00:14:47.649 was friends with Elizabeth Holmes, and then, 00:14:47.669 --> 00:14:50.049 like, Ghislaine Maxwell got sent to the same 00:14:50.049 --> 00:14:53.210 place. Like, what? Well, and they, like, bullied 00:14:53.210 --> 00:14:55.529 the shit out of Ghislaine Maxwell, I guess. Right, 00:14:55.529 --> 00:14:57.889 yeah. Like, I know she said, like, she will not 00:14:57.889 --> 00:15:02.269 be allowed at Shawmazing Yoga. Yes. It's like, 00:15:02.509 --> 00:15:06.809 ugh. if it's i i get i get she did really bad 00:15:06.809 --> 00:15:09.649 things with old people's money i get that she 00:15:09.649 --> 00:15:14.409 ruined lives but like if her bullying galene 00:15:14.409 --> 00:15:17.250 maxwell is her way to like make up for that i'll 00:15:17.250 --> 00:15:19.870 take it that's fine with yeah honestly like yeah 00:15:19.870 --> 00:15:22.889 being mean to a like horrific sex trafficker 00:15:22.889 --> 00:15:27.009 go for it yeah and i hope that's one way to redeem 00:15:27.009 --> 00:15:33.990 yourself yeah yeah uh but god so so uncool And 00:15:33.990 --> 00:15:35.950 she is uncool. Like, I just want to say that, 00:15:35.990 --> 00:15:37.649 Ghislaine Maxwell, you're not bestie approved 00:15:37.649 --> 00:15:43.750 at all. Ew, no. But, so, this first episode, 00:15:43.789 --> 00:15:45.889 it's a two -part episode, and this first episode 00:15:45.889 --> 00:15:49.950 could have been entirely its own episode. I love 00:15:49.950 --> 00:15:52.970 the bait and switch they pull with it. Yeah. 00:15:53.950 --> 00:15:57.990 But, so, we open, and Jen's playing basketball 00:15:57.990 --> 00:16:00.149 with her son, Omar, and, like, something that's 00:16:00.149 --> 00:16:04.759 always bothered me about, like, like when I see 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:06.940 into people's families and kids call like say 00:16:06.940 --> 00:16:08.700 yes ma 'am to their parents I don't know why 00:16:08.700 --> 00:16:11.720 that makes me so uncomfortable but like it's 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:14.379 like it gives like stranger vibes or like yes 00:16:14.379 --> 00:16:17.899 like it just it really tells me like I was told 00:16:17.899 --> 00:16:20.279 to say this on camera too like I was told to 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:22.379 address you this way like we had a talk before 00:16:22.379 --> 00:16:25.460 we filmed where I'm supposed to say that like 00:16:25.460 --> 00:16:27.600 there's another family that I'm going to bring 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:30.620 up later that does this exact same thing oh good 00:16:30.620 --> 00:16:34.919 good But then so we head over to the Wild Rose 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:37.500 Whitney's house and she decides that it's time 00:16:37.500 --> 00:16:39.879 to pull their stripper pole out of the living 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:41.600 room. And that leads to them both getting onto 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:44.720 the pole. And then like that was a double swirl. 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:48.080 Yeah. And that was the first moment where I was 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:50.279 like, oh, I kind of see what Whitney sees. Like, 00:16:50.340 --> 00:16:54.919 I get it. I always say this, that, like, there 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:57.500 is something, like, some little charming spark 00:16:57.500 --> 00:17:01.179 about Justin, even though he's kind of old, like, 00:17:01.299 --> 00:17:03.519 a little too much of a dad bod at this point. 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:06.579 Kind of has, like, a little piggy nose. But, 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:09.240 like, also there's something, like, I can tell 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:14.700 he's fun. He is fun, but, like, I felt the same 00:17:14.700 --> 00:17:17.240 way about the dad bod, and then I saw him running 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:19.319 around without a shirt on on Instagram, and I 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:24.140 was like, oh, oh, there it is. There it is. But 00:17:24.140 --> 00:17:28.039 we head over to maybe gorgeous Lisa's house, 00:17:28.059 --> 00:17:30.339 and she tries out this, like, the meta quest 00:17:30.339 --> 00:17:34.619 thing that Henry's playing with. Yeah, VR game. 00:17:36.220 --> 00:17:39.579 And she says she doesn't ever work out, but, 00:17:39.619 --> 00:17:43.220 like, she has. abs and like she's I was thinking 00:17:43.220 --> 00:17:45.339 that I'm like her body looks insane she's in 00:17:45.339 --> 00:17:48.680 workout clothes which apparently Mormons like 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:50.500 to wear because they don't have to wear their 00:17:50.500 --> 00:17:52.359 garments under it so they like go around in workout 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:55.500 clothes all day I think I learned this from Secret 00:17:55.500 --> 00:17:57.779 Lives of Mormon Wives it's sort of how you get 00:17:57.779 --> 00:18:01.140 around like that although Lisa dresses up in 00:18:01.140 --> 00:18:04.019 like outfits that she could never wear Lisa never 00:18:04.019 --> 00:18:07.140 wears garments so that's the other thing too 00:18:07.140 --> 00:18:11.079 that Emma and I got into recently where she gets 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:14.299 very defensive about being part of the church 00:18:14.299 --> 00:18:17.140 but like i've never seen her in an outfit that 00:18:17.140 --> 00:18:19.680 would support wearing the like temple garments 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:22.740 and i don't care like i want you to i think it's 00:18:22.740 --> 00:18:24.920 weird for a church to tell their parishioners 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:28.319 like you have to wear weird underwear yeah yeah 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:32.460 it's just joseph smith needs to stop that's just 00:18:32.460 --> 00:18:38.519 all right i mean he was he was crazy it's not 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:43.390 not ideal no but we head over to mary's closet 00:18:43.390 --> 00:18:46.089 mary facetimes everyone except for jenny mary's 00:18:46.089 --> 00:18:51.490 crazy closet the the level of hoarding that's 00:18:51.490 --> 00:18:54.109 going on there i was gonna say it's like a 90s 00:18:54.109 --> 00:18:56.470 hoarding explosion but because there's so much 00:18:56.470 --> 00:18:59.029 space it almost looks organized or like she gets 00:18:59.029 --> 00:19:01.750 away with it because there are just so many rooms 00:19:01.750 --> 00:19:05.339 dedicated to her hoard well that and like it's 00:19:05.339 --> 00:19:07.740 all like i mean it's millions of dollars worth 00:19:07.740 --> 00:19:10.480 of clothes like it's it's all so expensive so 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:12.839 it's like oh it's like it's designer trash but 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:15.809 i'm like The level of anxiety that I would get 00:19:15.809 --> 00:19:17.950 walking through that house, like, I wouldn't 00:19:17.950 --> 00:19:19.369 be able to handle it. I wouldn't want to touch 00:19:19.369 --> 00:19:23.029 anything. I wouldn't, yeah. Also, like, I have 00:19:23.029 --> 00:19:25.630 a running theory. I would need, like, someone 00:19:25.630 --> 00:19:28.490 more well -versed in fashion and, like, fashion 00:19:28.490 --> 00:19:30.750 lines than when they came out. But my theory 00:19:30.750 --> 00:19:36.190 is all of her stuff is from, like, 2008. I feel 00:19:36.190 --> 00:19:39.009 like it's all from a certain era and a little 00:19:39.009 --> 00:19:43.180 old. That's... That's, that's what I get from 00:19:43.180 --> 00:19:48.480 it. I tend to agree with you on that. And like, 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:53.920 it's like, like when Ed Hardy and Christian Audigier 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:55.619 and all that was really popular, it all feels 00:19:55.619 --> 00:19:57.980 like it's from that era. Right. I feel like she 00:19:57.980 --> 00:20:02.200 has a lot of like the neon, like graffiti Louis 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:08.420 Vuitton stuff. Yes. Which by the way. Sorry, 00:20:08.420 --> 00:20:11.480 my dog's deciding to throw a tantrum. That's 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:14.960 okay. He's perfect. Because she has half an hour 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:17.799 until her dinner, so she likes to make it everyone's 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:21.700 problem while she waits. Beautiful. Sorry about 00:20:21.700 --> 00:20:23.819 that. No, you're fine. Don't ever apologize. 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:27.400 You may have to edit out a Yelp here or there. 00:20:29.220 --> 00:20:31.480 We've had several episodes where you can hear 00:20:31.480 --> 00:20:33.900 Emma's son Jack sitting next to me just talking. 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:37.200 The besties love it. It's okay. It's fine. Okay. 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:42.720 All right. There is a tantrum dog here. But Mary 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:46.160 FaceTimes everyone except for Jenny to invite 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:49.000 them to a cooking class where the dress code 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:52.539 is Italian street wear. And then Mary starts 00:20:52.539 --> 00:20:57.920 doing this Italian accent and I hate when anyone 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:01.299 does an accent as a bit. It's so bad. It's so 00:21:01.299 --> 00:21:05.279 bad. And then like Like, I guess she doesn't 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:07.599 invite Jenny because when they were all at the 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:09.720 tubing thing, Jenny screamed, shut the fuck up. 00:21:09.920 --> 00:21:13.380 And that's a type of disrespect. Yeah. Yeah. 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:18.500 And we get a flashback to that. And we hear Mary 00:21:18.500 --> 00:21:23.259 say to Jenny, get your language right. And I 00:21:23.259 --> 00:21:27.039 was like, oh, oh, I remember feeling bad for 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:29.490 Jenny in this moment. And I shouldn't have ever 00:21:29.490 --> 00:21:33.309 felt bad for Jenny, but there's that. Was her 00:21:33.309 --> 00:21:36.670 deal she was a big racist? I can't remember. 00:21:36.710 --> 00:21:41.130 Was Jenny's or Mary's? No, Jenny, but I think 00:21:41.130 --> 00:21:43.930 I might be wrong. No, no, no, you're 100 % right. 00:21:44.250 --> 00:21:46.930 Right? I was like, didn't she end up, like, abruptly 00:21:46.930 --> 00:21:51.079 leaving? yes so she did a whole song and dance 00:21:51.079 --> 00:21:53.480 with like white lives matter like that was that 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:56.480 was jenny yes yes yes yeah because i was like 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:59.019 she was sort of like edited out after a while 00:21:59.019 --> 00:22:03.880 because she made some faux pas yeah um but anyway 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:07.660 so whitney doesn't answer mary's facetime for 00:22:07.660 --> 00:22:10.000 the italian cooking day so we get a quick look 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:12.519 at the novel that she like texted her over the 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:16.809 shoulder and like it doesn't like stay long enough 00:22:16.809 --> 00:22:19.029 to read it but like i just know mary's this person 00:22:19.029 --> 00:22:21.349 that's constantly sending like lines and lines 00:22:21.349 --> 00:22:23.710 and lines of text oh yeah well i'm like this 00:22:23.710 --> 00:22:25.730 is a party invite just be like hey we're having 00:22:25.730 --> 00:22:29.349 a cooking class dress festive here are the deets 00:22:29.349 --> 00:22:33.630 like but it's it is it's pages pages of words 00:22:33.630 --> 00:22:38.329 yes and then we head over to merida's house and 00:22:38.329 --> 00:22:40.890 merida desperately needs a manicure so she invites 00:22:40.890 --> 00:22:44.380 jenny over uh So, for the nail techs to come 00:22:44.380 --> 00:22:46.180 over to make that happen in our living room. 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:49.640 And, like, the leisure of Meredith Marks' life 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:52.519 is just something that, like, I don't know if 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:54.519 I aspire to it. Because, like, I feel like I 00:22:54.519 --> 00:22:58.619 would get so exhaustively bored. Right? Yeah. 00:22:58.980 --> 00:23:02.319 God, I'm obsessed with her. Throws money at stuff. 00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:05.839 Does whatever she wants. Like, oh, my nails are 00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:07.960 bad. Let's just have people come to the house 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:11.680 and pamper us. and i have a lot of questions 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:13.799 about the amount of money like i wonder like 00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:16.240 i know she's got like the the meredith marks 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:18.599 like she's the boutique and like i know she's 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.099 a jewelry designer yeah but seth worked for big 00:23:22.099 --> 00:23:24.200 lots when they were still around so like i'm 00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:27.000 trying to figure out like did did she i don't 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:30.240 think anyone knows what seth does really like 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:35.480 yeah yeah no clue no clue i don't know um but 00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:37.559 then jenny walks in and meredith's dog teddy 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:41.319 jumps up to say hi and the reaction felt off 00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:43.240 to me and like because i don't trust people that 00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:45.079 don't like dogs like there's something about 00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:47.640 it for me and i'm honestly really glad she was 00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:49.500 fired after people found out about like that 00:23:49.500 --> 00:23:52.910 whole white lives matter song and dance so yeah 00:23:52.910 --> 00:23:55.910 uh and like she was on some for all of us well 00:23:55.910 --> 00:23:58.130 the dog knew and then there she was on some anti 00:23:58.130 --> 00:24:01.490 -vaxxer bullshit too like i like no no no if 00:24:01.490 --> 00:24:03.710 i ever dig into like jenny i fucking hate her 00:24:03.710 --> 00:24:09.109 i hate her but yeah anyways so um meredith tells 00:24:09.109 --> 00:24:11.009 jenny that she planned a trip to veil for her 00:24:11.009 --> 00:24:13.289 family and now they can't go so meredith conveniently 00:24:13.289 --> 00:24:16.269 has this empty house it's for a cast big house 00:24:16.269 --> 00:24:20.829 yeah and i'll never what was that song and dance 00:24:20.829 --> 00:24:24.650 why i i i don't ever want them to stop the song 00:24:24.650 --> 00:24:27.170 and dance i love the song and dance of like yeah 00:24:27.170 --> 00:24:29.710 making up a reason like it's like when megan 00:24:29.710 --> 00:24:32.690 king edmonds was like my family's in ireland 00:24:32.690 --> 00:24:36.269 so i want to go to irish roots yeah yeah i could 00:24:36.269 --> 00:24:38.069 go up and tap someone on the shoulder and i'll 00:24:38.069 --> 00:24:40.829 be related to them i'm obsessed with that please 00:24:40.829 --> 00:24:44.750 don't ever stop the weird that that we are supposed 00:24:44.750 --> 00:24:48.349 to buy into as to why they are why they're going 00:24:48.349 --> 00:24:51.769 and it's so it's always such a stupid reason 00:24:51.769 --> 00:24:54.109 and they're like oh they'll buy it like yeah 00:24:54.109 --> 00:24:57.809 and we do we do we do i'm like you know what 00:24:57.809 --> 00:25:00.390 her family all of a sudden all couldn't go now 00:25:00.390 --> 00:25:06.009 she has a huge house and completely disregard 00:25:06.009 --> 00:25:09.299 the fact that when they show up it is Only marketing 00:25:09.299 --> 00:25:11.720 for this company that owns the house. It's like 00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:17.579 clearly a joint sponsored thing with Bravo, NBC 00:25:17.579 --> 00:25:21.579 Universal for this house. But I'll buy it. I'll 00:25:21.579 --> 00:25:24.259 buy it every time. And the more ridiculous the 00:25:24.259 --> 00:25:26.519 reason, the better as far as I'm concerned. I 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:31.259 love it. But we head over where Heather and Ashley 00:25:31.259 --> 00:25:33.240 are going to lunch for Heather's niece's birthday. 00:25:33.339 --> 00:25:35.759 And then we get the obligatory jokes about Mormons 00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:39.819 not drinking. Drinking, yeah. like the performative 00:25:39.819 --> 00:25:43.940 like i'm glad that they've like gotten away from 00:25:43.940 --> 00:25:46.099 that over time because i'm like god it's so annoying 00:25:46.099 --> 00:25:48.460 just i don't care just i don't drink or don't 00:25:48.460 --> 00:25:50.839 drink i don't care but like i don't need to joke 00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:55.359 about it um yeah yeah i know what you mean the 00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:58.579 uh the niece and her husband decided to leave 00:25:58.579 --> 00:26:00.380 the mormon church because like their felt their 00:26:00.380 --> 00:26:06.420 faith like started to fall apart and i'm glad 00:26:06.420 --> 00:26:08.160 that they're starting to like talk about some 00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:12.599 of this stuff because i think that mormonism 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:15.420 is like and it's it's not for me to decide whether 00:26:15.420 --> 00:26:17.900 it is or not but mormonism really is looked at 00:26:17.900 --> 00:26:23.299 very harshly and i think that people get a bad 00:26:23.299 --> 00:26:25.259 rap like when they associate with mormonism so 00:26:25.259 --> 00:26:27.779 like talking about like getting out and like 00:26:27.779 --> 00:26:31.559 what that does to you i think it like gives it's 00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:33.460 almost humanizing in a way like when it comes 00:26:33.460 --> 00:26:36.299 to that yeah no i totally agree i was like we 00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:39.019 understand like there is there is like you know 00:26:39.019 --> 00:26:42.140 they are dealing with heavy shit and and like 00:26:42.140 --> 00:26:44.960 as much as they're like we're funny girls like 00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:48.539 you know we're sort of wholesome it's like they're 00:26:48.539 --> 00:26:50.660 also dealing with being like shunned by the community 00:26:50.660 --> 00:26:54.039 that raised them and yeah and like i really enjoyed 00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:56.640 when they toasted to the outer darkness and then 00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:59.759 heather explains like the different levels of 00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:01.880 heaven there's like celestial where the good 00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:04.779 mormons go then terrestrial where mormons like 00:27:04.779 --> 00:27:07.460 lisa go that just can't quite actually do the 00:27:07.460 --> 00:27:10.960 full lifestyle which i loved that dig i've always 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:14.630 said always It amazes me that like the same church 00:27:14.630 --> 00:27:18.009 that kicked out Heather because her husband wanted 00:27:18.009 --> 00:27:21.009 a divorce and kicked out Whitney for, you know, 00:27:21.009 --> 00:27:25.569 falling for someone while married. Also is the 00:27:25.569 --> 00:27:28.089 church that is like, Lisa, you're perfect. Never 00:27:28.089 --> 00:27:31.789 change. So I like when Heather explains a little 00:27:31.789 --> 00:27:34.589 bit as to like, no, Lisa like holds herself to 00:27:34.589 --> 00:27:38.380 different standards than a lot of people. And 00:27:38.380 --> 00:27:40.740 I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that when 00:27:40.740 --> 00:27:43.460 Lisa saw that, like, John got a dish thrown at 00:27:43.460 --> 00:27:47.359 his head. I do know that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And 00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:50.920 I love the next level after terrestrial is telestial, 00:27:51.339 --> 00:27:54.039 I believe. And that's where, like, murderers 00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:57.319 go. They said, like, Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer 00:27:57.319 --> 00:28:01.559 were examples. And, like, I don't know that I 00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:05.119 buy any specific religion. I don't know what's 00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:07.829 out there. I don't know. But, like. I do know 00:28:07.829 --> 00:28:11.410 that if there's a heaven, Jeffrey Dahmer's not 00:28:11.410 --> 00:28:15.660 there. He's not in any level of it. Yeah. right 00:28:15.660 --> 00:28:19.480 and i know that is not going to be a level below 00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:22.900 him i know that and then below that is the outer 00:28:22.900 --> 00:28:25.700 darkness that's where people who have been shunned 00:28:25.700 --> 00:28:28.079 by the church go so heather's like yeah we have 00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:30.240 to like ask jeffrey dahmer for a seat at the 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.559 heaven table god they're so self -important with 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.319 themselves exactly and one then heather also 00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:39.299 explains how self -righteous even she was where 00:28:39.299 --> 00:28:41.940 she talks about like her sister who had left 00:28:41.940 --> 00:28:44.440 the church's wedding and they were supposed to 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:46.630 wear like little spaghetti strap dresses that 00:28:46.630 --> 00:28:48.589 like came up very high. Like they weren't showing 00:28:48.589 --> 00:28:51.029 any cleavage. They were like a tube top with 00:28:51.029 --> 00:28:53.589 a spaghetti strap. But she demanded like they 00:28:53.589 --> 00:28:56.549 make her a bolero jacket so she could wear her 00:28:56.549 --> 00:28:59.309 garments to the wedding. And she's like, oh yeah. 00:28:59.349 --> 00:29:01.650 And I thought I was so, I thought I was so much 00:29:01.650 --> 00:29:04.029 better than these sinners showing their shoulders. 00:29:04.710 --> 00:29:08.289 If you're in a place at your sister -in -law's 00:29:08.289 --> 00:29:11.349 wedding to go to a place of custom bolero, like 00:29:11.349 --> 00:29:14.799 you've lost the plot. right yeah like it's it's 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:17.339 like this is what your religion's forcing you 00:29:17.339 --> 00:29:19.799 to do to like feel better than other people like 00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:22.720 it's kind of wasting your time and money probably 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:26.480 it is and then like but like you see her in the 00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:29.619 picture and she's just like chest high and i'm 00:29:29.619 --> 00:29:33.519 like god she's so happy she got her way and is 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:37.660 proving how superior she is yeah like and i know 00:29:37.660 --> 00:29:41.500 like i today in 2025 i think she would be probably 00:29:41.500 --> 00:29:43.339 one of the coolest friends to have if i would 00:29:43.339 --> 00:29:46.779 have met her in like 2008 or whenever that was 00:29:46.779 --> 00:29:49.480 gun to my head you couldn't make me hang out 00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:51.559 with her i would say i would have hated the shit 00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:55.720 out of her yes oh but now i love her who knew 00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:57.660 you know we're watching we're watching a bad 00:29:57.660 --> 00:30:02.680 mormon be born like before our eyes i do love 00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:05.779 the evolution of it too i gotta tell you oh i 00:30:05.779 --> 00:30:08.730 know but We head over with Jen and Stu where 00:30:08.730 --> 00:30:11.390 they're going snowshoeing because Jen's therapist 00:30:11.390 --> 00:30:13.369 says she needs to spend quality time with the 00:30:13.369 --> 00:30:17.009 people she loves. When that means her assistant 00:30:17.009 --> 00:30:21.210 slash business partner, Stu. There's a lot here. 00:30:21.750 --> 00:30:25.190 Like, because it makes me wonder if they knew. 00:30:25.819 --> 00:30:27.980 the arrest warrants were out like that's number 00:30:27.980 --> 00:30:30.460 one for me they had where they they know something's 00:30:30.460 --> 00:30:32.779 coming down the pike and she's because she really 00:30:32.779 --> 00:30:34.720 is painting herself like you know i do all of 00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:37.779 this for you for our employees like i work so 00:30:37.779 --> 00:30:40.720 hard and don't have a relationship she works 00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:42.259 so hard doesn't have a relationship with her 00:30:42.259 --> 00:30:44.960 kids as much as she'd like to because she is 00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:48.119 putting a meal on so many people's tables like 00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:51.799 it's like the way she's like i had to do this 00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:53.660 because i i take care of your family you know 00:30:53.660 --> 00:30:56.640 that stew and like yeah we get the confessional 00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:59.700 of stew is so much more than a business partner 00:30:59.700 --> 00:31:02.960 he is he's like my best friend or whatever she 00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:04.839 said something to that right yeah and this is 00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:07.400 dear listener i'm gonna come back to this moment 00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:11.019 when we recap season three when she proceeds 00:31:11.019 --> 00:31:15.500 to say i i don't know who stew is like that man 00:31:15.500 --> 00:31:20.529 had his own businesses like at this time he was 00:31:20.529 --> 00:31:26.269 like her business soulmate so yes yeah and then 00:31:26.269 --> 00:31:29.609 it's rough yeah the whole thing it reads like 00:31:29.609 --> 00:31:36.009 sort of you know like a planned yeah self -commercial 00:31:36.009 --> 00:31:42.450 basically and like i'm glad they put in the part 00:31:42.450 --> 00:31:45.549 about like oh he's he's so much more than that 00:31:45.549 --> 00:31:47.980 because i think it's It's really important to 00:31:47.980 --> 00:31:54.559 see the inconsistencies. And then it's time for 00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:56.720 the cooking class. So we head over to the Park 00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:01.299 City Culinary Institute and that's getting all 00:32:01.299 --> 00:32:03.799 set up. And the way Mary interacts with people 00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:07.980 that are at her service, setting up anything, 00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:13.000 is so wild to me. So awkward. And she's always 00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:16.059 like half... she's like seems very unsure and 00:32:16.059 --> 00:32:17.900 sort of like stilted but is always like sort 00:32:17.900 --> 00:32:21.259 of teaching a lesson at the same time yes the 00:32:21.259 --> 00:32:23.380 way she needs to teach like the owner of the 00:32:23.380 --> 00:32:26.579 culinary institute where to put a glass on the 00:32:26.579 --> 00:32:30.000 table i'm like i've i i have a friend that like 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:33.039 that is kind of like that where she like lays 00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:34.599 out the silverware in the right way and i'm like 00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:36.420 i have i don't know where any of it goes i'm 00:32:36.420 --> 00:32:38.420 like i'm eating with my hands i'm from kentucky 00:32:38.420 --> 00:32:44.789 who cares yeah um but then Jen rolls up with 00:32:44.789 --> 00:32:46.990 Stu and she's on the back of a Vespa wearing 00:32:46.990 --> 00:32:50.910 an Italian flag as a cape. And then we juxtapose 00:32:50.910 --> 00:32:53.730 that with Meredith walking in with a leather 00:32:53.730 --> 00:32:56.109 jacket, like cut out in the back. And like, she's 00:32:56.109 --> 00:32:59.109 serving nothing but cut. Like I think she is 00:32:59.109 --> 00:33:02.769 so hot and like one of the best dressers. She 00:33:02.769 --> 00:33:07.390 looks so good. It's giving like, like mob wife 00:33:07.390 --> 00:33:11.339 at fashion week. Like it's very good. yes and 00:33:11.339 --> 00:33:13.700 like it's like it's so tight and i'm like everything 00:33:13.700 --> 00:33:17.220 is just perfect and i'm like this this is what 00:33:17.220 --> 00:33:19.740 i want like this more that was like yeah that 00:33:19.740 --> 00:33:22.400 was like when she was on her peak blazer game 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.599 you know it was it was it was a good time for 00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:30.920 her wardrobe it was um and then we get back into 00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:33.059 Mary's Italian accent, and she starts to throw 00:33:33.059 --> 00:33:35.000 around words that I think she believes in her 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:39.200 heart to be Italian words, but I'm on... I feel 00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:41.420 like she's trying to say, like, tagliatelle or 00:33:41.420 --> 00:33:44.799 something, or, like, it's bad. Oh, bolognese. 00:33:45.099 --> 00:33:49.200 I don't know. The bolognese, and, like, the scusi, 00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:52.279 and I'm like, first of all, I'm on a 560 -day 00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:55.099 Duolingo streak with Italian. That's not a word. 00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:59.180 What you're saying is not a word. She's making 00:33:59.180 --> 00:34:03.710 shit up. yeah but that i feel like that's the 00:34:03.710 --> 00:34:06.890 theme for mary honestly right yeah i feel like 00:34:06.890 --> 00:34:09.769 i mean once i'm i'm sure you're caught up in 00:34:09.769 --> 00:34:11.809 real time with salt lake as it's been airing 00:34:11.809 --> 00:34:14.070 and when her church reopens she's like i didn't 00:34:14.070 --> 00:34:16.429 have a plan i just just wing it when i preach 00:34:16.429 --> 00:34:23.210 and i'm like that's mary that yeah yeah i'm like 00:34:23.210 --> 00:34:27.079 of course she didn't have a plan no Where she 00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:28.840 did have a plan, though, was with Whitney because 00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:31.340 Whitney's riding with Heather to the lunch where 00:34:31.340 --> 00:34:34.440 they find out that they got completely different 00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:37.159 dress codes. And then we see the invitation that 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:39.460 I know she, like, made one of the people at her 00:34:39.460 --> 00:34:41.260 church, like, put together in, like, Microsoft 00:34:41.260 --> 00:34:43.400 Publisher. Yeah, I would say, like, not even 00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:46.920 Canva. No. And it's, like, go to. Someone just 00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:49.900 clip -arted or, you know, copy and pasted some 00:34:49.900 --> 00:34:54.400 Google image search results. yeah and it's so 00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:57.639 bad but i'm like what's worse is the outfit itself 00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.639 where it's like go to go to spirit halloween 00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:05.559 find mafia ho costumes yeah and that was so mean 00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:08.519 like it was yeah she gave everyone like street 00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:11.920 wear pictures of like cool chic italian people 00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:16.469 and then gave Whitney like Halloween store mafia 00:35:16.469 --> 00:35:21.949 dumb slut costumes and luckily Whitney wore just 00:35:21.949 --> 00:35:26.309 sort of a nice like kind of oversized suit and 00:35:26.309 --> 00:35:28.769 I like that she and Heather compare notes in 00:35:28.769 --> 00:35:31.030 the car and she figures it out before it's like 00:35:31.030 --> 00:35:32.829 sprung on her and she's like well that's not 00:35:32.829 --> 00:35:36.190 nice like I just my heart always breaks for poor 00:35:36.190 --> 00:35:39.760 Whitney i feel the same way because i'm like 00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:42.179 i don't think whitney has a bad bone in her body 00:35:42.179 --> 00:35:44.039 like even when she was doing the whole healing 00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:46.840 journey thing like i couldn't stay mad at her 00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:50.300 because i'm like i believe it all comes from 00:35:50.300 --> 00:35:52.739 a very real i was gonna say she always means 00:35:52.739 --> 00:35:55.820 well and she's always being like authentic her 00:35:55.820 --> 00:35:58.440 authentic self and her authentic self is messy 00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:02.280 but that's not like you know it's not messy aggressive 00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:05.480 or like messy to with you like if she's just 00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:10.920 messy It's messy. And then for Mary to like just 00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:13.320 go so out of her way to be so childish and mean. 00:36:13.340 --> 00:36:17.659 Yeah, like high school prank. Yeah. Yeah. But 00:36:17.659 --> 00:36:20.539 then we get a cutaway to Ginny making homemade 00:36:20.539 --> 00:36:22.539 yogurt with her little angel kids. And this is 00:36:22.539 --> 00:36:24.800 what I was going to bring up later. They are 00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:28.059 so sweet. They were coached to act like that. 00:36:28.099 --> 00:36:31.699 No kid comes into a scene and goes, I would love 00:36:31.699 --> 00:36:36.389 to make yogurt with you. Can we please? No. but 00:36:36.389 --> 00:36:39.809 we get a confessional talking they're great kids 00:36:39.809 --> 00:36:43.510 I don't like the mom though no I was gonna say 00:36:43.510 --> 00:36:45.369 too bad about their mom but like they're little 00:36:45.369 --> 00:36:47.710 sweeties they did a good scene for their mom 00:36:47.710 --> 00:36:51.369 they did good and then we get a confessional 00:36:52.619 --> 00:36:55.239 where jenny's talking about mary being so elegant 00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:57.099 on the outside but being shitty on the inside 00:36:57.099 --> 00:36:59.699 and i wanted to think about that statement as 00:36:59.699 --> 00:37:02.320 she's rereading her january 6th and black lives 00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:04.280 matter tweets like i really want her to like 00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:08.159 take that in yeah yeah let's think about that 00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:13.340 yeah kind of kind of uh applies to you too girl 00:37:13.340 --> 00:37:18.099 yeah and then we get back to the cooking class 00:37:18.099 --> 00:37:22.039 yeah i also i just love that like we have been 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:25.000 set up to think that this is the like climactic 00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:28.920 event is like mary and whitney coming coming 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:32.960 to coming to a head at this class and and mary's 00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:36.320 upset because whitney didn't answer four calls 00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:38.840 in a row where it's like if she's still not available 00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:40.980 if she's not available a minute ago she's still 00:37:40.980 --> 00:37:43.619 not going to be available and she didn't return 00:37:43.619 --> 00:37:47.440 the call and that's why oh yeah she didn't return 00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:51.059 the call that's why she gets pranked and so like 00:37:51.059 --> 00:37:54.019 and and we think that this is an episode title 00:37:54.019 --> 00:37:57.400 is about like i was driving carpool and that's 00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:00.460 whitney's excuse for why she couldn't answer 00:38:00.460 --> 00:38:03.039 and i just love that they set us up to be like 00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:05.679 all right this is the fight we're here for this 00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:09.679 is this is the main event and It could have been. 00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:11.719 That's the great thing about this show is it 00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:14.599 really could have been. I mean, we got some great 00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:17.380 lines from Mary that, like, I still say. Like, 00:38:17.380 --> 00:38:20.280 I call my dog, like, little girl all the time. 00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:25.280 We got little girl out of this. Yeah. Oh, my 00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:30.019 God. But so they're, like, this whole lunch is 00:38:30.019 --> 00:38:31.900 chaos. And, like, I can't imagine what it's like 00:38:31.900 --> 00:38:33.840 to work in any of these restaurants that, like, 00:38:33.860 --> 00:38:36.559 these things are. Like, person trying to teach 00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:39.599 them something. Like, no. trying to teach them 00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:42.900 something or trying to like serve them wine or 00:38:42.900 --> 00:38:46.739 whatever the case may be but like we uh so they're 00:38:46.739 --> 00:38:48.519 they're fighting we get the little girl moment 00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:53.099 whitney is blasted to hell and back she is wasted 00:38:53.099 --> 00:38:56.179 and she's like crying and like she just like 00:38:56.179 --> 00:39:01.960 sobs yes and she's like mary i love you and like 00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:03.920 it's come i think it's coming from a real place 00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:06.420 but like oh yeah mary looks at whitney and goes 00:39:06.420 --> 00:39:08.880 then act like it and i was like this is how she 00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:10.840 talks to people at her church i know that oh 00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:14.980 yeah yeah yeah that's i bet yeah 100 that comes 00:39:14.980 --> 00:39:18.570 very naturally to her at this point But then 00:39:18.570 --> 00:39:21.349 Meredith pulls Whitney aside and then we get 00:39:21.349 --> 00:39:23.809 the whole rundown of like the insane text. And 00:39:23.809 --> 00:39:27.550 then Meredith decides that this is the right 00:39:27.550 --> 00:39:30.829 time to bring up the Cameron situation from the 00:39:30.829 --> 00:39:34.070 Fresh Wolf. Yeah. And I believe they had already 00:39:34.070 --> 00:39:36.269 talked a little bit about like because Lisa didn't 00:39:36.269 --> 00:39:38.349 invite everyone to the Fresh Wolf event. And 00:39:38.349 --> 00:39:40.510 like some people are upset. I don't think Mary 00:39:40.510 --> 00:39:44.719 or Jen Shaw were invited or something. And but 00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:47.659 then Lisa apparently invited a guy named Cameron, 00:39:47.780 --> 00:39:50.760 who was a member of Mary's church, who says, 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:54.019 like, basically, be careful. Good luck dealing 00:39:54.019 --> 00:39:57.800 with her. Right. And Meredith was unsettled. 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:03.079 i'll buy that because like what i have to believe 00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:04.559 is happening and like what we're kind of getting 00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:07.460 confirmation in real time of is like there are 00:40:07.460 --> 00:40:09.980 talks in salt lake city about like this is a 00:40:09.980 --> 00:40:12.579 cult like this this church where this woman married 00:40:12.579 --> 00:40:16.690 her step -grandfather it is a cult And you hear 00:40:16.690 --> 00:40:18.510 rumblings of that, but you're like, no, I've 00:40:18.510 --> 00:40:20.809 met Mary. She seems wonderful. And then you can 00:40:20.809 --> 00:40:23.170 kind of like explain it all away with like, well, 00:40:23.190 --> 00:40:24.889 maybe she was brainwashed. Maybe this, maybe 00:40:24.889 --> 00:40:27.769 that. She was taken away at 18 by her step grandpa 00:40:27.769 --> 00:40:30.389 and bought a bunch of stuff, in my opinion, in 00:40:30.389 --> 00:40:33.789 around 2008 that like one or over brainwashed 00:40:33.789 --> 00:40:36.570 her. But like still probably taking advantage 00:40:36.570 --> 00:40:40.869 of people. So like. 100%. But then you get like 00:40:40.869 --> 00:40:43.469 the story from Cameron about, yeah, I mortgaged 00:40:43.469 --> 00:40:47.369 my house and I gave them $30 ,000. Right. Like, 00:40:47.369 --> 00:40:50.269 it's not great. None of it turns out to be great. 00:40:50.769 --> 00:40:53.670 Cameron seems to basically says like, you know, 00:40:53.670 --> 00:40:57.469 they suck people dry, like financially. Yeah. 00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:03.000 And Whitney says she's friends with one of Mary's 00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:06.639 cousins. Yes. Who he has also said, like, be 00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:09.920 careful and just, like, never make her mad. Right. 00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:13.639 And that's where we start to get into Mary's 00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:16.239 church believes that she is God. Right. Right. 00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:19.800 And then we get a cutaway to the picture of Mama 00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:21.940 Cosby with Jesus. The Mama painting or picture 00:41:21.940 --> 00:41:24.539 up in the church. Yeah, with Jesus. And, yeah. 00:41:24.579 --> 00:41:27.780 That is one of my. Oh, it's such a good picture. 00:41:28.670 --> 00:41:31.329 I want it in my house so bad. It's like they're 00:41:31.329 --> 00:41:33.510 just chilling together and someone was like, 00:41:33.570 --> 00:41:37.510 guys, smile. And they do. Up on a cloud. Because 00:41:37.510 --> 00:41:43.110 you're with Jesus. Jesus Christ. But, like, that's 00:41:43.110 --> 00:41:44.590 another one of those things where religion is 00:41:44.590 --> 00:41:47.309 just a wild concept to me. Like, looking at that, 00:41:47.369 --> 00:41:50.409 I'm like. People look at that and they're like, 00:41:50.510 --> 00:41:53.110 yeah, that, that feels right. That's true. That 00:41:53.110 --> 00:41:55.409 is true. Yeah. And like Whitney explains, like 00:41:55.409 --> 00:41:58.289 they think she speaks directly to Jesus. Like 00:41:58.289 --> 00:42:00.949 they say, like Jesus speaks through her. So like 00:42:00.949 --> 00:42:04.210 they think they're talking to God. Yes. And. 00:42:05.309 --> 00:42:08.010 they so they head back to the table where mary 00:42:08.010 --> 00:42:10.150 has now become the victim and she's like crying 00:42:10.150 --> 00:42:11.750 and it's the whole thing and she like looks at 00:42:11.750 --> 00:42:13.750 meredith and she's like you didn't listen to 00:42:13.750 --> 00:42:16.469 my side and meredith is someone i will tell you 00:42:16.469 --> 00:42:20.570 right now that i want around when i'm in a fight 00:42:20.570 --> 00:42:22.309 because like the calming energy that was like 00:42:22.309 --> 00:42:25.429 i tried to talk to you you weren't interested 00:42:25.429 --> 00:42:29.449 and that's okay god damn you're like shit that 00:42:29.449 --> 00:42:35.219 shut me down like yeah But so then we start to 00:42:35.219 --> 00:42:36.619 get the shots of everyone getting ready for the 00:42:36.619 --> 00:42:39.760 trip. Meredith calls Heather while she's trying 00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:49.260 on a candy bra. We find out. I know she's every 00:42:49.260 --> 00:42:52.019 every shot of her throughout this episode gets 00:42:52.019 --> 00:42:57.179 more and more absurd. um but we find out that 00:42:57.179 --> 00:42:59.320 meredith goes to colorado early for her dad's 00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:02.159 memorial service and this also comes up as a 00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:04.960 plot point later but um heather's now the leader 00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:08.340 of this road trip right but please dear listener 00:43:08.340 --> 00:43:10.719 this is something that i'm coming back to where 00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:15.659 like this is one where i feel really bad for 00:43:15.659 --> 00:43:19.940 meredith but anyway right um yeah baby gorgeous 00:43:19.940 --> 00:43:22.559 lisa is like sitting in an insane pile of clothes 00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:27.369 and like for for a two -day trip by the way right 00:43:27.369 --> 00:43:29.949 i'm like it's like maybe two nights like or one 00:43:29.949 --> 00:43:33.050 i don't know yeah yeah and i'm like i don't know 00:43:33.050 --> 00:43:35.889 who this is for like this this whole song and 00:43:35.889 --> 00:43:38.469 dance but like she tells john it's rhetorical 00:43:38.469 --> 00:43:40.269 when she asked for his opinion and i was like 00:43:40.269 --> 00:43:42.590 john john understands his marriage i get that 00:43:42.590 --> 00:43:46.769 oh yeah he might just start he might just now 00:43:46.769 --> 00:43:48.550 be getting a little sick of it but like he does 00:43:48.550 --> 00:43:53.619 know what the arrangement is yes he's just a 00:43:53.619 --> 00:43:57.340 body he's he's just there to like validate her 00:43:57.340 --> 00:44:01.480 really and then yeah and then we step into jen's 00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:04.860 closet where sharif walks in and she's helped 00:44:04.860 --> 00:44:07.539 her uh says helping jen pack is the worst thing 00:44:07.539 --> 00:44:10.420 and i'm like give her 24 hours and see what you 00:44:10.420 --> 00:44:17.480 think oh there will be worse things oh yeah it's 00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:21.019 true We get to go to the sacred place of the 00:44:21.019 --> 00:44:26.119 beauty lab and laser parking lot. Our promised 00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:31.460 land. Heather is the first one on the bus because 00:44:31.460 --> 00:44:34.539 we find out Mary's flying private to Vail because 00:44:34.539 --> 00:44:37.300 she has a headache. Yeah, she has a headache. 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:39.760 Didn't want to get up in time to meet them at 00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:43.840 the van, so she's flying private. Yeah, and Meredith's 00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:45.400 already there, so Heather's in charge of this 00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:51.289 bus ride now. Yes. The Wild Rose shows up with 00:44:51.289 --> 00:44:56.570 a Shotski lover. Of course. Anti -vaxxer Jenny 00:44:56.570 --> 00:45:01.409 rolls up on the bus later. And then Jen shows 00:45:01.409 --> 00:45:06.869 up in her braids. She looks so good. She looks 00:45:06.869 --> 00:45:10.889 incredible. And that's the thing. It's always 00:45:10.889 --> 00:45:14.230 a dichotomy with Jen where I'm like... God, she's 00:45:14.230 --> 00:45:16.070 so fabulous. Why is she such a monster? God, 00:45:16.210 --> 00:45:17.869 she's so beautiful. Why is she such a monster? 00:45:18.130 --> 00:45:20.789 She walks in and I'm like, oh, so striking. The 00:45:20.789 --> 00:45:23.309 star is in the van. But also it's like, Jesus, 00:45:23.349 --> 00:45:27.670 girl, what are you doing? Yes. And then her phone 00:45:27.670 --> 00:45:31.670 rings. Right. It's pretty immediate. Yes, it 00:45:31.670 --> 00:45:35.289 is. Seconds after she sits down and she turns 00:45:35.289 --> 00:45:36.909 around, she looks at Whitney when she realizes 00:45:36.909 --> 00:45:38.289 what's going on on the other end of the phone. 00:45:38.349 --> 00:45:41.110 She hears like two sentences. Yeah. Yeah. And 00:45:41.110 --> 00:45:45.250 she tells Whitney to turn off her mic. And you 00:45:45.250 --> 00:45:47.670 see her outside. You see her talking. And, like, 00:45:47.690 --> 00:45:53.469 I am so desperate. Like, you pled guilty. We 00:45:53.469 --> 00:45:55.750 all know what happened. I am desperate to know 00:45:55.750 --> 00:45:57.670 what happened on that phone call. Like, that's 00:45:57.670 --> 00:46:00.650 all. That's my only piece I don't know. Yeah. 00:46:00.989 --> 00:46:04.230 I feel like we hear her say something, like, 00:46:04.230 --> 00:46:08.070 at the house. Like, she's clearly getting tipped 00:46:08.070 --> 00:46:09.690 off. She goes, I need to go back to the house. 00:46:09.730 --> 00:46:12.510 Like, I can verbatim, I can recite what she said. 00:46:13.019 --> 00:46:18.500 yeah and i i just i want to know what was said 00:46:18.500 --> 00:46:21.059 and then i like but what makes me even more uncomfortable 00:46:21.059 --> 00:46:23.599 and like gives me a lot more pause is heather 00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:26.659 comes out and she's like hey i'm so excited and 00:46:26.659 --> 00:46:27.980 then because that's the first time she's seeing 00:46:27.980 --> 00:46:31.340 heather and she goes i have bad news sharice 00:46:31.340 --> 00:46:32.860 in the hospital he has internal bleeding i have 00:46:32.860 --> 00:46:36.030 to go and i'm like it was so quick and it just 00:46:36.030 --> 00:46:39.389 came right out. I was like, was this always her 00:46:39.389 --> 00:46:41.989 get out? I'm going to say this. Like, how does 00:46:41.989 --> 00:46:44.010 she just like come up with it on the fly? Yeah. 00:46:44.110 --> 00:46:46.190 It's like in a split second, you just hear her 00:46:46.190 --> 00:46:48.289 be like, I have to go Sharif. So like he was, 00:46:48.349 --> 00:46:50.170 I don't know what's going on. He was like going 00:46:50.170 --> 00:46:52.750 for like a quick thing and now he's bleeding. 00:46:52.849 --> 00:46:59.150 I have to go. Yeah. It was so, and it just came 00:46:59.150 --> 00:47:02.480 out so easy. And I'm like, okay and then so she 00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:03.820 goes and tells the rest of the girls like hey 00:47:03.820 --> 00:47:08.280 i'm going and that she leaves and like everyone 00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:10.199 in the moment is like i think a little bit in 00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:11.639 shock because they're like oh what's going on 00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:14.539 and they're like trying to figure out like do 00:47:14.539 --> 00:47:16.260 you want us to wait for you and she's like i 00:47:16.260 --> 00:47:19.019 might come back i'm not sure right because in 00:47:19.019 --> 00:47:21.000 her mind this is something that could like we 00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.300 can we can figure it out i can get out of this 00:47:24.110 --> 00:47:26.409 And then the poor producer comes on the bus and 00:47:26.409 --> 00:47:28.230 she's like, are you guys serious about not going? 00:47:28.309 --> 00:47:32.510 And Ginny's like, let's just go. I hate Ginny. 00:47:33.789 --> 00:47:38.769 They end up talking themselves into saying, they're 00:47:38.769 --> 00:47:40.630 like, you know, she would want us to go. She'd 00:47:40.630 --> 00:47:42.650 want us to have fun. Like, we should go. And 00:47:42.650 --> 00:47:44.989 like, while they're talking about this, you can 00:47:44.989 --> 00:47:48.510 see in the window behind them, there's like people 00:47:48.510 --> 00:47:51.650 in vests. or uniforms of some sort and you're 00:47:51.650 --> 00:47:56.590 like wait what am i seeing and you hear the producer 00:47:56.590 --> 00:47:59.150 go you guys there's there's cops and they have 00:47:59.150 --> 00:48:04.230 the handcuffs out something's going on like this 00:48:04.230 --> 00:48:08.150 cop opens the door and like this is how i know 00:48:08.150 --> 00:48:10.170 like beyond the shout of a doubt this but this 00:48:10.170 --> 00:48:13.070 moment was like real real is like right you see 00:48:13.070 --> 00:48:14.909 the reactions where they're like what's What's 00:48:14.909 --> 00:48:18.250 going on? And, like, Whitney's already, like, 00:48:18.269 --> 00:48:20.449 is this a joke? Like, I love that Whitney's already 00:48:20.449 --> 00:48:23.329 kind of expecting strippers at this point. Yes. 00:48:24.630 --> 00:48:28.469 And then Heather, bless her heart, is like, I 00:48:28.469 --> 00:48:31.170 can figure this out. Starts saying, I don't know 00:48:31.170 --> 00:48:34.940 why the po -po's here. Just gets out of the bus 00:48:34.940 --> 00:48:37.239 and calls them the po -po to their face. And 00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:39.059 I'm like, Heather. What's the po -po doing here? 00:48:39.300 --> 00:48:41.619 And you're like, no, this is real. They have 00:48:41.619 --> 00:48:44.860 like NYPD on their back. For some reason, New 00:48:44.860 --> 00:48:48.900 York is in Utah. HSI, what does that stand for? 00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:54.179 Homeland Security. Yeah. And so that's all happening. 00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:59.780 And we get the to be continued. god this is gold 00:48:59.780 --> 00:49:04.539 probably the wildest to be continued on in housewives 00:49:04.539 --> 00:49:10.400 history yes 100 i can't think of one more shocking 00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:13.099 and it's like even even you know when it first 00:49:13.099 --> 00:49:15.400 aired like we knew it was coming like there had 00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:17.280 been talk about they were they had cameras up 00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:20.119 when she got arrested and it's like but seeing 00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:28.070 it pan out it is just so wild every time was 00:49:28.070 --> 00:49:29.789 behind the scenes that no one was supposed to 00:49:29.789 --> 00:49:31.670 see where they're like getting set up and everything 00:49:31.670 --> 00:49:35.989 i'm like oh this oh i i love this yeah when they 00:49:35.989 --> 00:49:37.769 when they're like when they make it clear like 00:49:37.769 --> 00:49:40.510 we're letting you in on this it's it's so satisfying 00:49:40.510 --> 00:49:46.010 good okay so then next episode we pick up where 00:49:46.010 --> 00:49:48.650 we left off at beauty lab and laser truly a sacred 00:49:48.650 --> 00:49:51.469 place where heather's texting jen saying the 00:49:51.469 --> 00:49:53.110 cops are looking for you they said they need 00:49:53.110 --> 00:49:57.019 to talk to you And I love that they go through 00:49:57.019 --> 00:49:59.500 this like, are they trying to help her or get 00:49:59.500 --> 00:50:05.559 her? Like, maybe they want to help her. That 00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:10.559 was a wild thing to me. I'm like, Homeland Security 00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:14.280 does not show up to help anyone. The feds aren't 00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:19.429 here to help. Yeah, we've learned that. But then 00:50:19.429 --> 00:50:22.170 Lisa immediately is sobbing on the phone with 00:50:22.170 --> 00:50:24.829 JB's husband boss. She's like, the SWAT team 00:50:24.829 --> 00:50:28.650 showed up. The police showed up. Yeah. Like, 00:50:28.670 --> 00:50:32.829 that reaction, I have a lot of questions about. 00:50:33.329 --> 00:50:35.989 This time around, I was really trying to pay 00:50:35.989 --> 00:50:39.230 attention to her. And, like, Lisa gets kind of 00:50:39.230 --> 00:50:41.070 cut off. Like, they're talking about, like, why 00:50:41.070 --> 00:50:43.730 were the cops there? And then Lisa says, I think 00:50:43.730 --> 00:50:46.190 it's way more. And then they get cut off because 00:50:46.190 --> 00:50:48.510 then they realize Jen left her bag of snacks 00:50:48.510 --> 00:50:51.989 in the fucking van. And they're like, oh, wait, 00:50:52.030 --> 00:50:53.929 are those Mint Milanos? And then, like, Lisa 00:50:53.929 --> 00:50:56.409 lets the conversation get steered that way. And 00:50:56.409 --> 00:50:58.230 I'm like, was she going to say, like, what does 00:50:58.230 --> 00:51:01.070 she know? No, because she has unhinged ADHD. 00:51:01.489 --> 00:51:03.690 Like, that's the problem with Lisa Barlow. I 00:51:03.690 --> 00:51:05.250 know. And then she's like, oh, Mint Milanos. 00:51:05.369 --> 00:51:08.250 I love junk food. That's my brand. I would have 00:51:08.250 --> 00:51:12.469 that. Yeah. I would eat that. I love that. Oh, 00:51:12.469 --> 00:51:16.940 God. But then Heather keeps talking about how, 00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:19.840 like, the cops just needed to make sure she was 00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:22.179 okay. And I think she's being so serious and 00:51:22.179 --> 00:51:23.820 honest in saying that she thinks that. And I'm 00:51:23.820 --> 00:51:26.820 like, are you okay? I think that's when we start 00:51:26.820 --> 00:51:29.639 to see, like, I guess the sort of Mormon naivete 00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:32.099 they're raised with, where she's, like, still 00:51:32.099 --> 00:51:34.539 trying to see the bright side or, like, assume 00:51:34.539 --> 00:51:36.460 the best in her friend, where it's like, girl, 00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:41.440 like, you can't Pollyanna this situation into 00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:47.440 being... cool no no um then meredith shows up 00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:51.059 at this this house and she looks so kind in her 00:51:51.059 --> 00:51:54.119 blazer dress like this like tight like i've never 00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:57.599 seen her she's like peak meredith yeah yes um 00:51:57.599 --> 00:51:59.719 like she was only more meredith when she had 00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:03.940 that blazer bathing suit that she wore yes yes 00:52:03.940 --> 00:52:08.300 um Then we meet Crystal, the experienced curator 00:52:08.300 --> 00:52:10.800 who's wearing a fun hat. And like, I know beyond 00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:13.300 a shadow of a doubt, she woke up that morning 00:52:13.300 --> 00:52:15.219 and she put that hat on and said, I'm going to 00:52:15.219 --> 00:52:18.840 be a star today. I'm going to be the runaway 00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:21.840 hit from this episode, giving a tour of this 00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:25.320 rental house. God, I love Crystal, the experienced 00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:31.159 curator. Yeah. So they do like a, you know. sponsored 00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:33.900 content ad for the for the house they're staying 00:52:33.900 --> 00:52:37.860 in and like the company that manages it and this 00:52:37.860 --> 00:52:39.840 this woman walking around going there there's 00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:42.059 really not a house like a single family home 00:52:42.059 --> 00:52:45.320 like this in dale and i'm like yeah yes there 00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:47.599 is i mean it looks like the one next to it looks 00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:50.159 very similar and they're all like big sort of 00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:53.920 flashy houses in a ski rich ski town right yes 00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:57.079 i'm like it's a ski resort town like the village 00:52:57.079 --> 00:52:59.179 is nothing but mcmansions like don't do that 00:53:00.250 --> 00:53:04.070 It's okay. Don't lie to us, girl. Yeah. I think 00:53:04.070 --> 00:53:05.949 she's lying to herself more than anything, but 00:53:05.949 --> 00:53:09.349 that's okay. Right, true. We cut back to the 00:53:09.349 --> 00:53:11.889 trip. Heather checks to see if Janice texted 00:53:11.889 --> 00:53:14.409 her back, and it would appear that everyone has 00:53:14.409 --> 00:53:16.989 accepted what happened, except for Heather, who's, 00:53:16.989 --> 00:53:19.650 like, waiting to, like... And, like, they're 00:53:19.650 --> 00:53:21.969 on some level, I can respect, like, wanting everything 00:53:21.969 --> 00:53:26.690 to be okay. But at the same time, I'm like, are 00:53:26.690 --> 00:53:29.739 you okay? Right. Like, this is the same girl 00:53:29.739 --> 00:53:31.340 that's going to, like, cover for Jen when she 00:53:31.340 --> 00:53:33.800 gets her black eye. Like, where it's like, you're 00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:35.840 putting too much faith in this person. Like, 00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:40.980 what are we doing? Yes. And then Lisa goes on 00:53:40.980 --> 00:53:43.280 to say she didn't believe Jen from the jump because 00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:45.760 no one acts like that. And she says that she's 00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:48.599 pretty pragmatic. And I don't know that Lisa 00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:52.300 Marlowe understands what that word means. That's 00:53:52.300 --> 00:53:57.190 true. That's the last word I would use to describe 00:53:57.190 --> 00:54:03.969 Lisa Barlow. And then Lisa gets back on the phone 00:54:03.969 --> 00:54:06.869 with JV husband boss and says, and this is where 00:54:06.869 --> 00:54:09.570 I did the same thing you did where I paid really 00:54:09.570 --> 00:54:12.449 close attention after some recent stuff has come 00:54:12.449 --> 00:54:15.710 out. But she's like, Tony K and Ryan, two of 00:54:15.710 --> 00:54:17.550 the six lawyers, told her not to talk to any 00:54:17.550 --> 00:54:19.610 law enforcement without them there. And then 00:54:19.610 --> 00:54:21.789 she covers her mouth and does the, I think Meredith 00:54:21.789 --> 00:54:26.179 might know something. And I'm like, is she just 00:54:26.179 --> 00:54:28.119 trying to throw us off her scent? Because she 00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:31.559 seems to know the most about this. Or like, I 00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:35.760 don't know. I don't know. Right. And the women 00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:37.679 start speculating about Jen's lifestyle and the 00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:39.400 cash flow and like what the businesses actually 00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:43.650 are. and like Lisa has been like she's always 00:54:43.650 --> 00:54:45.670 been ambiguous and Whitney's like I've always 00:54:45.670 --> 00:54:48.369 wondered and Whitney all of a sudden turns into 00:54:48.369 --> 00:54:52.650 our like you know Nancy Drainer yeah where she's 00:54:52.650 --> 00:54:54.750 and she's like teaching us how lead nurturing 00:54:54.750 --> 00:54:58.190 works and like selling leads and she's you know 00:54:58.190 --> 00:55:00.409 she Whitney has basically said I always wonder 00:55:00.409 --> 00:55:02.550 how she had the amount of money she did she was 00:55:02.550 --> 00:55:06.530 doing like legal lead generation because it's 00:55:06.530 --> 00:55:10.480 not like that lucrative no it's Not at all. But 00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:12.739 like the funniest thing in this moment was Whitney 00:55:12.739 --> 00:55:15.519 going, how does she get her money? Like I thought 00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:17.699 everything that comes out of her mouth is like, 00:55:17.699 --> 00:55:21.420 it's comedy gold to me. She's so sweet. I love 00:55:21.420 --> 00:55:25.519 her so much. Oh, but so then the bus makes a 00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:28.460 stop and Whitney and Heather are on the bus talking 00:55:28.460 --> 00:55:32.619 about how Lisa's acting. And the way Heather 00:55:32.619 --> 00:55:34.219 was so quick to say, if she knows something, 00:55:34.260 --> 00:55:36.840 that means she's implicated. Like everyone knows 00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:38.710 there's something shady going on. like right 00:55:38.710 --> 00:55:41.590 everyone knows it yeah they're not saying it 00:55:41.590 --> 00:55:45.530 like yeah i want them to dig into this like in 00:55:45.530 --> 00:55:48.429 this like i feel like someday something's gonna 00:55:48.429 --> 00:55:52.730 come out about all of it but like like did someone 00:55:52.730 --> 00:55:55.769 on the cast talk to the feds because like lisa 00:55:55.769 --> 00:55:58.409 keeps saying like someone tip them off someone 00:55:58.409 --> 00:56:00.610 tip them off and that get that makes whitney 00:56:00.610 --> 00:56:02.550 and heather be like did she tip them off why 00:56:02.550 --> 00:56:05.329 does she keep saying that like right or like 00:56:05.329 --> 00:56:08.170 well and then like how did they know yeah How 00:56:08.170 --> 00:56:11.030 did they know to find her there? Like, did someone 00:56:11.030 --> 00:56:14.090 on production, like, say something? And it's 00:56:14.090 --> 00:56:16.710 like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. 00:56:16.710 --> 00:56:18.369 But I'm desperate to know. Like, this is like, 00:56:18.469 --> 00:56:20.889 I love The Housewives more than anything. But 00:56:20.889 --> 00:56:23.630 what I love more is, like, the messy, like, it's 00:56:23.630 --> 00:56:25.710 like, I want to know who turned Teresa and Jo 00:56:25.710 --> 00:56:28.690 in. I want to dig into that. Because they say 00:56:28.690 --> 00:56:32.440 they all know. Right, yeah. And, like, people, 00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:35.199 like, friendships have, like, been built and 00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:37.860 fallen on this supposed information that, like, 00:56:37.860 --> 00:56:41.280 we just will never know. Yeah. Well, and, like, 00:56:41.579 --> 00:56:44.659 Jersey's a whole other beast, but, like, the 00:56:44.659 --> 00:56:46.480 fact that Caroline Manzo can be like, yeah, I 00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:48.139 was in the room when it happened, and I'm like, 00:56:48.199 --> 00:56:51.219 tell me everything! I know, I know. Caroline, 00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:56.780 she shocks me. there's well there's a lot there 00:56:56.780 --> 00:56:59.099 to be shocked about but like that's neither here 00:56:59.099 --> 00:57:02.980 nor there so we're back on the bus yeah um lisa 00:57:02.980 --> 00:57:07.360 goes today's a lot like and then whitney sees 00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:11.159 the news oh i love whitney oh my gosh oh my gosh 00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:16.139 oh my gosh oh my gosh so i love that she says 00:57:16.139 --> 00:57:18.260 gosh the whole time she's just a little sweetie 00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:21.519 I do, too. Like, that's like, I specifically 00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:25.099 was like, oh, she says gosh. She's still not 00:57:25.099 --> 00:57:27.380 taking the Lord's name in vain. Yep, she was 00:57:27.380 --> 00:57:31.519 raised good Mormon girl. Yeah. And then we get 00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:36.639 the headline. Yeah, Real Housewives star. Go 00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:39.900 ahead. You go for it. Okay. Real Housewives star 00:57:39.900 --> 00:57:43.039 charged in massive fraud money laundering scheme. 00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:47.010 I had the fucking chills. Yeah, they're all shocked. 00:57:47.789 --> 00:57:51.170 Lisa immediately starts crying for Stu. And she's 00:57:51.170 --> 00:57:53.269 like, I feel so bad. I feel so bad for him. And 00:57:53.269 --> 00:57:58.309 I feel so bad for their families. And Lisa's 00:57:58.309 --> 00:58:00.670 always like a robot crying. I honestly feel so 00:58:00.670 --> 00:58:03.570 bad. I feel, I honestly feel so bad. I'm like, 00:58:03.570 --> 00:58:05.510 who are you trying to prove it to? It's okay. 00:58:05.949 --> 00:58:09.929 It's okay. We believe you. Yes, I feel bad for 00:58:09.929 --> 00:58:15.130 them too. And then Heather. heather's like moved 00:58:15.130 --> 00:58:18.090 like so deeply and then we get a shot over to 00:58:18.090 --> 00:58:20.829 jenny who's literally drinking a beer and going 00:58:20.829 --> 00:58:24.690 yeah i don't have the tax i don't know yeah yeah 00:58:24.690 --> 00:58:27.650 and like they they are all just like on their 00:58:27.650 --> 00:58:30.170 phones and like they all are like weeping this 00:58:30.170 --> 00:58:32.429 is like a scene out of like checkoff or something 00:58:32.429 --> 00:58:35.769 all this like just the mood shifts instantly 00:58:35.769 --> 00:58:39.070 they're all weeping and sobbing with like open 00:58:39.070 --> 00:58:43.239 bags of cheetos next to them And they're reading 00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:46.360 aloud to each other. Like, she and Stuart charged 00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:48.599 with money laundering and fraud. Like, they're 00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:53.760 in custody. And then Lisa's like, should we go 00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:56.179 back? Should we turn around? And Whitney's smiling 00:58:56.179 --> 00:58:59.079 ear to ear and goes, babe, she's in custody. 00:58:59.219 --> 00:59:01.260 She's been arrested. This is the best day of 00:59:01.260 --> 00:59:03.980 Whitney's life. Yeah. And then Whitney is later, 00:59:04.139 --> 00:59:07.900 she's cradling Lisa and Heather under both her 00:59:07.900 --> 00:59:10.840 arms on either side. They're on her bosom crying. 00:59:11.019 --> 00:59:14.900 And I'm like, Whitney is thriving with this news. 00:59:16.059 --> 00:59:18.559 Whitney is in her element. And then we get a 00:59:18.559 --> 00:59:22.010 cutaway of... I think she tells Lisa, I just 00:59:22.010 --> 00:59:23.949 thought she had a sugar daddy or something. And 00:59:23.949 --> 00:59:25.809 then we immediately get the confessional of going, 00:59:25.949 --> 00:59:28.369 I had a sugar daddy. And I'm like, fuck yeah, 00:59:28.409 --> 00:59:31.210 Whitney. Fuck yeah. Yeah, I love Whitney. Yeah, 00:59:31.230 --> 00:59:35.469 you're such a sugar daddy. God, it's so good. 00:59:36.190 --> 00:59:38.809 And then they're like reading through the article 00:59:38.809 --> 00:59:41.110 and Lisa's like up to 30 years. And Heather, 00:59:41.269 --> 00:59:44.630 like that was the break. She goes up to 30 years. 00:59:45.050 --> 00:59:49.349 It's a real crime, guys. Like it bad. And she's, 00:59:49.369 --> 00:59:53.369 like, unwell. And, like, she's, like, she's in 00:59:53.369 --> 00:59:55.590 a place of, like, hood up and, like, laying on 00:59:55.590 --> 00:59:57.929 Whitney's lap. And, like, she's, like, not okay. 00:59:58.429 --> 01:00:01.349 And, like, I know there's a lot of room for criticism 01:00:01.349 --> 01:00:05.409 of, like, the toxicity of Heather and Jen's relationship. 01:00:05.510 --> 01:00:09.449 But, like, I truly believe this reaction is coming 01:00:09.449 --> 01:00:12.840 from a place of, like... caring deeply about 01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:15.039 jen and not wanting anything bad to happen to 01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:16.960 her and like she doesn't know how to reconcile 01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:20.619 this yeah no she's having a real hard time yeah 01:00:20.619 --> 01:00:25.559 yes and then we get a clip of the ring doorbell 01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:28.099 footage with omar coming out with his hands up 01:00:28.099 --> 01:00:30.480 and like i remember seeing this and being upset 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:33.840 about it i didn't think i'd be triggered by it 01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:36.239 again but i was like i felt bad for those kids 01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:40.719 because like i can't remember yeah And, like, 01:00:40.739 --> 01:00:43.239 I don't think we ever found out what happened 01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:46.539 directly involving Omar. And, like, because there 01:00:46.539 --> 01:00:50.860 was a cousin in the house, too. Right. I, like, 01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:54.239 I want someone, I hope someone, like, showed 01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:56.500 up, like, Jen's mom or someone that was, like, 01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:58.219 I'm going to take the kids. They don't need to 01:00:58.219 --> 01:00:59.480 be involved in this. Because, like, that was 01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:02.179 really upsetting to me. No. And it's just so 01:01:02.179 --> 01:01:05.079 scary. Like, especially, I think that was still, 01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:09.219 like. kind of early COVID days or like not too 01:01:09.219 --> 01:01:11.940 far into it. And like, we've just had these black 01:01:11.940 --> 01:01:15.059 lives matter protesters and, or protests. And 01:01:15.059 --> 01:01:18.579 we see these like young black boys being like 01:01:18.579 --> 01:01:21.500 run out of their house with men with like machine 01:01:21.500 --> 01:01:25.260 guns or with like men with like rifles and their 01:01:25.260 --> 01:01:27.179 hands above their head. And it's just so, your 01:01:27.179 --> 01:01:30.699 heart just breaks for these poor. like kids who 01:01:30.699 --> 01:01:33.659 have no idea what their that their mom is buying 01:01:33.659 --> 01:01:38.119 fucking leads leads of vulnerable people and 01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:39.820 tricking them into like buying a product that 01:01:39.820 --> 01:01:43.260 doesn't exist like i feel yeah they don't deserve 01:01:43.260 --> 01:01:45.920 that and you have to put yourself in the mindset 01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:49.500 of like what like first of all cops show up at 01:01:49.500 --> 01:01:51.179 your house that's jarring to begin with and then 01:01:51.179 --> 01:01:52.840 it's like what are you talking about my mom like 01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:55.519 what do you say and then it's like i don't i 01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:59.530 can't think of any other instance where you have 01:01:59.530 --> 01:02:02.389 someone that has done a crime and then the family 01:02:02.389 --> 01:02:05.849 is taken out like like i just i the whole thing 01:02:05.849 --> 01:02:08.869 felt off to me and i didn't like it right at 01:02:08.869 --> 01:02:12.849 all like i felt bad for those kids but yeah then 01:02:12.849 --> 01:02:15.349 production shows up at the house and like i can't 01:02:15.349 --> 01:02:17.610 imagine what that chaos was like because like 01:02:17.610 --> 01:02:20.170 you see like the cops pulling up and like you 01:02:20.170 --> 01:02:22.130 see the cop cars and then like yeah all these 01:02:22.130 --> 01:02:26.539 like trucks in the driveway and yeah and i'm 01:02:26.539 --> 01:02:30.599 like and like the the producer's like hey what's 01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:34.159 going on like yeah like okay and then like i 01:02:34.159 --> 01:02:36.860 i make a tv show here like can you tell me what's 01:02:36.860 --> 01:02:40.280 happening yeah and then the cops like you can 01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:46.219 talk to mr shot like yeah so yeah um we're back 01:02:46.219 --> 01:02:48.619 on the bus lisa decides to facetime meredith 01:02:48.619 --> 01:02:52.449 and right right Back to this lifestyle of Meredith 01:02:52.449 --> 01:02:54.489 where she's hanging up clothes in this closet, 01:02:54.650 --> 01:02:57.190 making herself a home. She's an absolute queen. 01:02:57.650 --> 01:03:01.670 And, like, she answers the FaceTime. And Lisa 01:03:01.670 --> 01:03:04.050 just goes, it's bad, Meredith. It's really bad. 01:03:04.289 --> 01:03:08.150 And Meredith is like, what's bad, Lisa? This 01:03:08.150 --> 01:03:12.329 house is amazing. I love it. Yeah. That was more 01:03:12.329 --> 01:03:14.150 Lisa. But, like, you're going to love this house. 01:03:14.269 --> 01:03:18.530 It's so great. And then this is brand new information. 01:03:19.659 --> 01:03:22.460 To Meredith like with what's going on and I just 01:03:22.460 --> 01:03:24.840 want to take a second here. You're telling me 01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:30.880 like you expect me to believe that This production 01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:34.179 was going on and no one from the bus or from 01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:37.820 back in salt lake city called like holy shit 01:03:37.820 --> 01:03:41.460 there's a swat team at our at our site what what's 01:03:41.460 --> 01:03:44.079 up with you like keep an eye out in denver they 01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:46.599 might be up there in a minute yeah like yeah 01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:49.300 heads up yeah i'm sure there was communication 01:03:49.300 --> 01:03:54.539 and then like but whatever we're expected to 01:03:54.539 --> 01:03:56.820 believe that meredith didn't know god bless okay 01:03:56.820 --> 01:04:01.000 yeah and meredith but even though it's completely 01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:06.239 new information meredith's like okay Yeah. Uh 01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:09.920 -huh. Yeah. She's always seemed a little sus. 01:04:10.300 --> 01:04:18.360 She did fraud. I'll buy it. Unphased. Yeah. And 01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:24.360 then we get the confessional where she goes, 01:04:24.500 --> 01:04:27.179 yeah, to find out someone in your friend group 01:04:27.179 --> 01:04:30.460 is being arrested by federal agents in the beauty 01:04:30.460 --> 01:04:33.050 lab and laser parking lot. That's shocking. And 01:04:33.050 --> 01:04:42.789 just smiles. Yeah. She's so. So. Meredith has 01:04:42.789 --> 01:04:45.510 always been like a riddle to me. She's my queen. 01:04:45.650 --> 01:04:48.070 I don't need her to be anything other than exactly 01:04:48.070 --> 01:04:52.329 who she is. Right. She doesn't give much. Except 01:04:52.329 --> 01:04:56.469 like subtle hints and clues. Almost. To figure 01:04:56.469 --> 01:05:04.280 her out. But then. she she laughs and she and 01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:06.500 then she goes while everything else is falling 01:05:06.500 --> 01:05:08.440 apart around us we do have a beautiful house 01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:10.820 here but i love you and just like gets off the 01:05:10.820 --> 01:05:14.920 phone see you later i'm gonna enjoy the house 01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:17.840 well and then they like go back to the bus and 01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:21.340 lisa says that she thinks meredith knows what 01:05:21.340 --> 01:05:24.460 what she's letting on and i wholeheartedly believe 01:05:24.460 --> 01:05:27.739 lisa knew something in this moment and she was 01:05:27.739 --> 01:05:29.460 like saying that to throw everyone off of her 01:05:29.460 --> 01:05:31.880 trail because i'm like yeah i kind of wonder 01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:37.539 yeah but then they get the news that jen was 01:05:37.539 --> 01:05:39.739 let out like while she's waiting for trial and 01:05:39.739 --> 01:05:44.260 uh they start getting into the concept of wait 01:05:44.260 --> 01:05:46.039 hang on i skipped a stop in my notes okay so 01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:48.699 they like they find out she's released and then 01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:51.980 They start getting into the concept of like money 01:05:51.980 --> 01:05:53.820 and like what's going on. And Whitney explains 01:05:53.820 --> 01:05:57.219 that you can dump cash into a startup for five 01:05:57.219 --> 01:05:59.139 years and claim losses up to a million dollars. 01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:02.440 And this is a fun tax strategy that I've seen 01:06:02.440 --> 01:06:04.820 several times during my time working in finance. 01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:09.760 Really? Oh, yeah. People love to claim a loss 01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:12.199 like when they have a ton of money. But I know 01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:13.679 this is something Whitney and Justin did because 01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:17.210 you don't just know about this. So I'm like, 01:06:17.210 --> 01:06:19.030 Whitney knows about this because she's done it, 01:06:19.050 --> 01:06:22.489 right? 100%. 100%. Yeah, she's like, you can 01:06:22.489 --> 01:06:24.769 claim a loss for like five years. So you can 01:06:24.769 --> 01:06:27.670 just pour whatever money you want in and claim 01:06:27.670 --> 01:06:31.190 its capital. And like, you're good to go. And 01:06:31.190 --> 01:06:33.590 the five years is an interesting number that 01:06:33.590 --> 01:06:35.130 she threw out there. Because I'm like, oh, you 01:06:35.130 --> 01:06:37.170 know about where they start to track it, where 01:06:37.170 --> 01:06:39.670 they start auditing. That's interesting to me. 01:06:40.369 --> 01:06:44.130 Anyway, then Jenny's going, well, that's capital. 01:06:44.210 --> 01:06:46.670 That's capital. And I was like, shut up. i hate 01:06:46.670 --> 01:06:52.329 you shut up stop talking you don't get to be 01:06:52.329 --> 01:06:57.449 part of this no one cares oh god and then uh 01:06:57.449 --> 01:06:59.869 we get back to the house mary shows up to the 01:06:59.869 --> 01:07:03.809 house and like watching mary do literally anything 01:07:03.809 --> 01:07:08.010 is is just it's like watching it's like watching 01:07:08.010 --> 01:07:10.269 a scene unfold that i i never know what's gonna 01:07:10.269 --> 01:07:12.869 happen and she's so funny to me she's like watching 01:07:12.869 --> 01:07:16.809 a bird learn how to fly like every scene or you're 01:07:16.809 --> 01:07:19.309 like i'm worried has she done this before interacted 01:07:19.309 --> 01:07:21.849 in this way or had a conversation like is she 01:07:21.849 --> 01:07:27.369 okay is she gonna break her wing like she gets 01:07:27.369 --> 01:07:29.610 there and meredith's just luxuriating in the 01:07:29.610 --> 01:07:32.750 bath and i'm like god yeah and like this is the 01:07:32.750 --> 01:07:35.690 this is like the tub scene where she like starts 01:07:35.690 --> 01:07:38.449 to be like part of my brand is always tubs and 01:07:38.449 --> 01:07:42.030 like it never stops like it's she's just in the 01:07:42.030 --> 01:07:44.670 tub like for four hours she's in the bath no 01:07:44.670 --> 01:07:48.250 and she really makes a choice to stay and and 01:07:48.250 --> 01:07:51.010 mary sweet mary loves her etiquette and she's 01:07:51.010 --> 01:07:52.969 like i think it's proper etiquette to meet people 01:07:52.969 --> 01:07:59.340 dressed like maybe maybe we don't dive too deep 01:07:59.340 --> 01:08:03.780 into what's proper mary but yeah yeah um but 01:08:03.780 --> 01:08:05.820 then they start to like unpack everything and 01:08:05.820 --> 01:08:10.380 mary's speechless and she goes i had no idea 01:08:10.380 --> 01:08:13.380 and then meredith basically goes you didn't like 01:08:13.380 --> 01:08:15.940 right let's go we're all gonna play dumb here 01:08:15.940 --> 01:08:21.149 yeah and then i know at this time and like i 01:08:21.149 --> 01:08:22.909 think they get into it later in the season but 01:08:22.909 --> 01:08:24.630 they start there's a lot of speculation that 01:08:24.630 --> 01:08:26.590 mary was somehow involved in like being the rat 01:08:26.590 --> 01:08:29.750 and like what i do know about mary to be the 01:08:29.750 --> 01:08:32.210 truth is that she's the last person that wants 01:08:32.210 --> 01:08:35.510 cops like asking questions or like poking around 01:08:35.510 --> 01:08:37.550 yeah i was gonna say mary's not gonna rat like 01:08:37.550 --> 01:08:41.770 i i trust mary to like stay quiet yeah like i 01:08:41.770 --> 01:08:45.470 trust like as far as like not that she's in the 01:08:45.470 --> 01:08:47.470 mafia but like i trust mary the same way i would 01:08:47.470 --> 01:08:49.409 trust someone in the mafia with my life i'm like 01:08:49.409 --> 01:08:52.630 she's a locked box once you give her information 01:08:52.630 --> 01:08:54.810 and tell her not to share it like yeah right 01:08:54.810 --> 01:09:00.810 um and then i just realized i like missed a spot 01:09:00.810 --> 01:09:03.010 while i was shaving and like this is like i see 01:09:03.010 --> 01:09:07.989 it like oh i didn't really notice oh no it's 01:09:07.989 --> 01:09:10.449 okay it's cool like this is like my first time 01:09:10.449 --> 01:09:12.229 doing videos so anyone that sees it i'll be like 01:09:12.229 --> 01:09:15.520 i didn't know it's fine it's all good it's cool 01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:19.939 i'll just like turn this way um and then what 01:09:19.939 --> 01:09:23.239 happens next so all the women they also established 01:09:23.239 --> 01:09:25.279 i like that they're they're realizing like this 01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:27.560 must have been a longer term investigation if 01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:30.739 like the fbi was there like this wasn't a like 01:09:30.739 --> 01:09:33.560 like on a whim whatever it's like this has been 01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:36.060 like a year in the making or something or more 01:09:36.060 --> 01:09:39.560 and it's It's funny because I remember like Mary 01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:41.479 saying something like the FBI doesn't show up 01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:43.060 unless there's facts. And I'm like, well, I'm 01:09:43.060 --> 01:09:44.659 glad she didn't say that. Well, Kash Patel was 01:09:44.659 --> 01:09:49.720 in charge of it. Oh, yeah, exactly. And I do 01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:51.720 like that throughout this scene, Meredith's bubbles 01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:54.319 are going away and she's just sinking lower and 01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:57.000 lower into the tub, like sort of covering herself 01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:02.060 more and more. I'm like, it was a cute idea at 01:10:02.060 --> 01:10:05.750 first, huh, Meredith? And then they're like, 01:10:05.810 --> 01:10:07.350 well, I'm going to go get changed. I'm going 01:10:07.350 --> 01:10:09.430 to go get dressed. Like, you go get your room, 01:10:09.510 --> 01:10:12.590 Mary. And like, I'll get dressed for when the 01:10:12.590 --> 01:10:14.630 other ladies come. But instead of getting dressed, 01:10:14.789 --> 01:10:17.989 they cut to Meredith pouring more bubbles into 01:10:17.989 --> 01:10:20.229 the bath and refilling it. Where I'm like, oh, 01:10:20.270 --> 01:10:22.470 she wants to be in the tub for their arrival, 01:10:22.489 --> 01:10:24.909 too. This is like a stunt that she thinks is 01:10:24.909 --> 01:10:27.670 adorable or something. Let me explain something 01:10:27.670 --> 01:10:30.130 to you in no uncertain terms. If I show up, I 01:10:30.130 --> 01:10:32.489 want Meredith in a bathtub. That's what I want. 01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:35.399 Like that's, I need that. Right. She was like, 01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:38.979 I liked this entrance. Let's do it again. I loved 01:10:38.979 --> 01:10:43.100 her commitment to the bed. So then of course 01:10:43.100 --> 01:10:45.699 the ladies come and also find her in the tub, 01:10:45.739 --> 01:10:51.600 just like with Mary. God, I love it. And I mean, 01:10:51.619 --> 01:10:55.029 she was in there for hours and. It never got 01:10:55.029 --> 01:10:58.609 old. You know she was a little prune, but she 01:10:58.609 --> 01:11:02.689 didn't care because she is now being in a tub 01:11:02.689 --> 01:11:09.729 as part of her brand. Everyone knows baths are 01:11:09.729 --> 01:11:14.609 my thing. Well, now we do. Now you can't give 01:11:14.609 --> 01:11:19.470 her a room without a fucking tub in it. No. So 01:11:19.470 --> 01:11:21.470 we get clips of everyone calling their respective 01:11:21.470 --> 01:11:24.779 husbands and we find out. John Barlow tries to 01:11:24.779 --> 01:11:26.859 reach out to Sharif and never heard anything 01:11:26.859 --> 01:11:30.300 back. And I'm like, obviously, obviously you 01:11:30.300 --> 01:11:33.720 never heard anything back, but he's either internally 01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:36.479 bleeding or dealing with his wife being in custody. 01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:38.920 Yeah. And like, I don't know what John would 01:11:38.920 --> 01:11:40.960 have texted him to be like, Hey, heard your, 01:11:40.979 --> 01:11:44.899 heard your bleeding. Also the cops are looking 01:11:44.899 --> 01:11:50.100 for your wife. Yeah. Maybe we. let them deal 01:11:50.100 --> 01:11:52.060 with that and then we like circle back i don't 01:11:52.060 --> 01:11:57.260 know um so crystal and her hat are getting the 01:11:57.260 --> 01:11:59.300 dining room ready for the ladies love her so 01:11:59.300 --> 01:12:04.619 much and then we like mary comes up and like 01:12:04.619 --> 01:12:06.439 sees that jenny's there and she goes i forgot 01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:08.319 jenny was even going to be here and she hates 01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:12.720 her so much she hates her so much the language 01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:16.180 she used that she like told mary what to do like 01:12:16.180 --> 01:12:23.090 no she did not like her god and like i hate that 01:12:23.090 --> 01:12:25.710 i also hate jenny because like mary hates jenny 01:12:25.710 --> 01:12:28.329 for very different reasons mary hates jenny because 01:12:28.329 --> 01:12:33.229 because because of the accent and because of 01:12:33.229 --> 01:12:36.750 like because she swore and like got some attention 01:12:36.750 --> 01:12:42.350 when she first got there like yeah but um i also 01:12:42.350 --> 01:12:43.930 feel like the food on salt lake city looks so 01:12:43.930 --> 01:12:47.729 good like every time They always look like they 01:12:47.729 --> 01:12:50.250 have, like, good American food. Like, you know, 01:12:50.289 --> 01:12:52.270 American fusion. Like, it always looks good. 01:12:52.970 --> 01:12:54.670 It's the same thing on Secret Lives of Mormon 01:12:54.670 --> 01:12:56.890 Wives. Like, I think that, like, Utah is just, 01:12:56.949 --> 01:12:59.750 like, a food destination in my mind at this point 01:12:59.750 --> 01:13:01.630 because it all looks so good. No, it does all 01:13:01.630 --> 01:13:03.829 look good. You're right. Yeah. And, like, now 01:13:03.829 --> 01:13:06.550 I want dirty sodas and I've never had one. Like, 01:13:06.630 --> 01:13:09.890 what's happening? Oh, they opened Swigs in Indy. 01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:13.880 I feel like they have one here in New York, too. 01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:17.180 And I've been like, I should go. Go. I'm telling 01:13:17.180 --> 01:13:18.779 you right now, go. It will change your life. 01:13:19.539 --> 01:13:24.819 Yeah, I'm curious. I'm very curious. So they're 01:13:24.819 --> 01:13:28.359 all sitting down. Mary says that Jen's arrest 01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:30.260 makes her feel a lot of emotion and that she 01:13:30.260 --> 01:13:35.180 doesn't celebrate people's pain. And if you sat 01:13:35.180 --> 01:13:38.359 me down in front of Mary and you... like you're 01:13:38.359 --> 01:13:40.239 you're gonna tell me right now that like she's 01:13:40.239 --> 01:13:42.479 not thinking this is what you get for the grandpa 01:13:42.479 --> 01:13:44.720 fucker comment like that there's no way yeah 01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:50.560 that's true totally totally yeah and then meredith 01:13:50.560 --> 01:13:53.319 like it's it's quiet for a second meredith goes 01:13:53.319 --> 01:13:55.460 so what's everyone thinking and heather goes 01:13:55.460 --> 01:13:57.460 this is the moment i've been waiting for and 01:13:57.460 --> 01:13:59.880 i was like heather is me and i am heather i know 01:13:59.880 --> 01:14:02.060 that's what he heather really is our audience 01:14:02.060 --> 01:14:04.439 proxy when she's like finally we're getting into 01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:09.800 it Oh, God. And then we find out that, like, 01:14:09.880 --> 01:14:12.819 Jen was running from the cops and got pulled 01:14:12.819 --> 01:14:15.420 over and arrested on the side of the road. And 01:14:15.420 --> 01:14:18.920 they start unpacking a lot of their feelings 01:14:18.920 --> 01:14:22.659 about the charges. So, like, we know she got 01:14:22.659 --> 01:14:24.260 arrested. That's, like, one thing. And then we 01:14:24.260 --> 01:14:26.380 go one level deeper, and it's like, what was 01:14:26.380 --> 01:14:29.319 she doing? She was arrested for, like, taking 01:14:29.319 --> 01:14:32.380 advantage of, like, old and vulnerable people. 01:14:32.619 --> 01:14:36.609 And then we start. being like ew that's gross 01:14:36.609 --> 01:14:40.270 like yes which is valid it's valid and fair that 01:14:40.270 --> 01:14:42.369 like we feel that's gross like there's there's 01:14:42.369 --> 01:14:44.949 nothing else to say about yeah yeah mary feels 01:14:44.949 --> 01:14:48.210 betrayed like i don't blame her yeah this woman 01:14:48.210 --> 01:14:50.130 acted like she was a legitimate business woman 01:14:50.130 --> 01:14:53.569 right but then meredith goes into pasture mode 01:14:53.569 --> 01:14:56.149 and says i feel like she's reaping i believe 01:14:56.149 --> 01:15:00.369 that or i believe what a man soweth that he shall 01:15:00.369 --> 01:15:04.109 reap and i was like oh that's like the church 01:15:04.109 --> 01:15:06.989 i grew up in like that oh yeah yeah not good 01:15:06.989 --> 01:15:11.689 but but like she's not wrong and um then she 01:15:11.689 --> 01:15:14.090 starts to say like i she never saw anything good 01:15:14.090 --> 01:15:16.010 in jen she was scared of her because she knew 01:15:16.010 --> 01:15:21.789 what she was capable of and i i i don't know 01:15:21.789 --> 01:15:25.789 i'm like i don't know i i i see her point and 01:15:25.789 --> 01:15:30.539 i agree i also just i don't know i just want 01:15:30.539 --> 01:15:33.840 it to not be true about i about her i want it 01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:37.279 to not be true but like at the same time i wonder 01:15:37.279 --> 01:15:39.359 if everyone was it like actually in such a state 01:15:39.359 --> 01:15:41.359 of shock because they were like we know something 01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:43.699 shady is going on here we know like it's probably 01:15:43.699 --> 01:15:45.939 a situation i don't think anyone could have ever 01:15:45.939 --> 01:15:48.000 imagined it was as bad as it like ended up being 01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:53.439 yeah it was bad yeah um but then we get the story 01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:56.000 about jen and the shawshad going into merida's 01:15:56.000 --> 01:16:00.789 boutique and Monica Garcia was there and oh my 01:16:00.789 --> 01:16:03.630 gosh I forgot Monica was part of that yeah yes 01:16:03.630 --> 01:16:05.850 but yeah and Meredith's like you know I have 01:16:05.850 --> 01:16:09.090 had an issue with her before that was like weirded 01:16:09.090 --> 01:16:12.739 out by And yeah, she like said she missed a bunch 01:16:12.739 --> 01:16:14.779 of calls from Jen when she was in New York. And 01:16:14.779 --> 01:16:17.520 like Jen wanted to get into Meredith's store. 01:16:17.939 --> 01:16:20.840 So Meredith had them like open it up for her. 01:16:20.920 --> 01:16:24.659 And then she checks in with her staff afterwards. 01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:26.560 And they're like, yeah, she like bought a few 01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:29.220 hundred bucks worth of stuff. But also this green 01:16:29.220 --> 01:16:32.000 clutch that one of her friends picked up is missing 01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:37.000 now. And it seems as though one of Jen's Shaw 01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:40.770 squad stole a purse. right and then like i also 01:16:40.770 --> 01:16:43.869 love the cutaway where uh i think it was lisa 01:16:43.869 --> 01:16:46.489 was like what which clutch hang on which clutch 01:16:46.489 --> 01:16:48.390 and like they have like a whole like it was like 01:16:48.390 --> 01:16:51.130 the snake skin green little snake skin i had 01:16:51.130 --> 01:16:54.850 that but i have so many questions about that 01:16:54.850 --> 01:16:57.270 very specific moment where it's like i and i 01:16:57.270 --> 01:16:59.069 never i don't think we ever get confirmation 01:16:59.069 --> 01:17:02.050 to this but i i it was the same build as the 01:17:02.050 --> 01:17:05.380 guy that was like helping her uh get ready in 01:17:05.380 --> 01:17:10.180 her closet marula or marillo yeah yeah i'm pretty 01:17:10.180 --> 01:17:13.840 sure it was him but like i have a lot of questions 01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:15.600 about like okay so you bought hundreds of dollars 01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:19.739 worth of stuff what why was the bag taken like 01:17:19.739 --> 01:17:22.039 was it actually an accident like i i just have 01:17:22.039 --> 01:17:25.239 a lot of questions about that yeah and like meredith 01:17:25.239 --> 01:17:27.260 basically seems to let her off the hook and be 01:17:27.260 --> 01:17:29.500 like did you borrow a bag too and then the guy 01:17:29.500 --> 01:17:32.579 brings it back the next day right and it's like 01:17:32.579 --> 01:17:35.560 so it what was this was this just a rogue guy 01:17:35.560 --> 01:17:39.000 who like likes to shoplift like maybe and like 01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:41.039 because that is a thing like kleptomania is the 01:17:41.039 --> 01:17:44.680 real things i i don't know but then we find out 01:17:44.680 --> 01:17:46.539 that jen's red flagged in the system at louis 01:17:46.539 --> 01:17:49.560 vuitton because she pays in cash and i asked 01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:51.260 one of my friends that works at louis vuitton 01:17:51.260 --> 01:17:54.340 if this is a real thing and she was like it is 01:17:54.340 --> 01:17:57.479 so rare that we have to do it but there are like 01:17:57.479 --> 01:18:00.359 very specific cases in which it happens so like 01:18:02.470 --> 01:18:04.810 I was like, oh, I thought Meredith was just talking 01:18:04.810 --> 01:18:07.829 out of her ass, but that's wild. If you make 01:18:07.829 --> 01:18:10.689 a lot of big purchases in all cash, people do 01:18:10.689 --> 01:18:14.409 get a little suspicious. Well, it's the big cash 01:18:14.409 --> 01:18:17.170 purchases and then it's returning them. That's 01:18:17.170 --> 01:18:21.430 the big red flag. Very interesting. Yeah. Yes. 01:18:21.670 --> 01:18:25.710 And then Lisa says that being red flagged at 01:18:25.710 --> 01:18:27.489 Louis Vuitton would be far worse than the Fed 01:18:27.489 --> 01:18:31.640 showing up at her door. Please, girl. No, it 01:18:31.640 --> 01:18:35.319 would not. Okay, Lisa. Let's be real. I'm like, 01:18:35.380 --> 01:18:38.739 this thing that you need to do, like, okay, whatever 01:18:38.739 --> 01:18:42.159 you say. Yeah, just like, just eating Wendy's 01:18:42.159 --> 01:18:46.380 and shopping at Louis Vuitton, damn it. Anyway. 01:18:46.779 --> 01:18:53.869 Yeah. you know what like i'm not gonna attack 01:18:53.869 --> 01:18:56.029 baby gorgeous right now but like yes that's her 01:18:56.029 --> 01:18:58.390 entire shtick is the is the windies and then 01:18:58.390 --> 01:19:01.250 like having money like right yeah i'm like having 01:19:01.250 --> 01:19:03.270 a perfect family that she doesn't really share 01:19:03.270 --> 01:19:09.229 yeah it's i find her boring i'm not a baby gorgeous 01:19:09.229 --> 01:19:13.529 stan the way some people are the way i like i 01:19:13.529 --> 01:19:15.550 go back and forth so hard with her because i'm 01:19:15.550 --> 01:19:18.250 like she's entertaining but i don't love her 01:19:18.250 --> 01:19:21.329 yeah yeah she's hysterically entertaining but 01:19:21.329 --> 01:19:23.149 i'm like there are times where i'm like why are 01:19:23.149 --> 01:19:26.750 you like this like you need to be talked to yeah 01:19:26.750 --> 01:19:31.529 anyway yeah i don't know man um well and then 01:19:31.529 --> 01:19:34.949 heather says she has a story about jen being 01:19:34.949 --> 01:19:39.560 sketchy that the uber story yes where Where she's 01:19:39.560 --> 01:19:41.800 like, I, she was at my place and I got her an 01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:44.180 Uber home and I went to check to see if she made 01:19:44.180 --> 01:19:46.439 it home. And she like stopped the ride and got 01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:48.779 out at like an intersection, like a few blocks 01:19:48.779 --> 01:19:51.720 away or something after like five minutes. I 01:19:51.720 --> 01:19:53.859 have a lot of questions about this. And then 01:19:53.859 --> 01:19:56.260 Lisa wanted to know about it. Cause she was like, 01:19:56.340 --> 01:19:58.300 well, I wanted to know what, what day? Cause 01:19:58.300 --> 01:20:01.460 I want to, I want to ask someone if she was with 01:20:01.460 --> 01:20:04.699 them. And I'm like, does Lisa think that Jen 01:20:04.699 --> 01:20:07.600 Shaw was with like the guy she was rumored to 01:20:07.600 --> 01:20:11.560 like? give give head for jazz tickets for or 01:20:11.560 --> 01:20:13.960 something or like they have like a shared sugar 01:20:13.960 --> 01:20:17.180 daddy like I want to know why Lisa wanted to 01:20:17.180 --> 01:20:21.359 know what night what makes me even more angry 01:20:21.359 --> 01:20:24.319 because Lisa does this on a very consistent basis 01:20:24.319 --> 01:20:27.199 where it's I'm gonna let you know that I might 01:20:27.199 --> 01:20:29.500 know something and then I'm not yeah and then 01:20:29.500 --> 01:20:33.699 back off too much so furious yeah oh it's so 01:20:33.699 --> 01:20:37.789 annoying but I also why didn't Jen use her own 01:20:37.789 --> 01:20:39.689 uber app like that's something that like i've 01:20:39.689 --> 01:20:42.710 no one has ever been able to explain is like 01:20:42.710 --> 01:20:45.850 was she really drunk was that like i don't that's 01:20:45.850 --> 01:20:47.670 the only time someone's like gotten an uber for 01:20:47.670 --> 01:20:52.149 me like that like but like you would think if 01:20:52.149 --> 01:20:54.869 she was that wasted like i i would think heather 01:20:54.869 --> 01:20:56.310 would be like just spend the night here babe 01:20:56.310 --> 01:20:59.869 like yeah who knows that story feels off to me 01:21:00.350 --> 01:21:03.409 Right. It's just it's just that's where it left 01:21:03.409 --> 01:21:05.350 me with like more questions than I think had 01:21:05.350 --> 01:21:09.069 their thought that we would have. I think the 01:21:09.069 --> 01:21:12.329 whole this whole scenario leaves me with so many 01:21:12.329 --> 01:21:15.750 unanswered questions that like even after the 01:21:15.750 --> 01:21:17.510 trial, even after all of it, because like we 01:21:17.510 --> 01:21:19.550 never really got a trial. We had like all the 01:21:19.550 --> 01:21:21.829 pretrial hearings because like she was going 01:21:21.829 --> 01:21:24.649 to she was pleading innocent until the last minute 01:21:24.649 --> 01:21:27.170 and then finally struck a deal and pled guilty. 01:21:27.229 --> 01:21:30.979 Yes. It's like and I. I'm like we never got to 01:21:30.979 --> 01:21:33.539 uncover anything because what I'm assuming happened 01:21:33.539 --> 01:21:37.020 and I think they say this like right after the 01:21:37.020 --> 01:21:41.000 trial like or after the guilty plea is there 01:21:41.000 --> 01:21:42.539 had like when they were going through the pre 01:21:42.539 --> 01:21:44.659 -trial motions they had to have seen something 01:21:44.659 --> 01:21:46.520 that was like there had to have been evidence 01:21:46.520 --> 01:21:49.199 that was so damning that yeah that they're like 01:21:49.199 --> 01:21:52.000 you can't you can't play your way out you can't 01:21:52.000 --> 01:21:54.560 say you didn't know about this or say you didn't 01:21:54.560 --> 01:21:59.279 do it like yeah right But that's the end of that 01:21:59.279 --> 01:22:05.520 episode. And God, like, this is like, I know 01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:07.939 people like think that housewives is trash and 01:22:07.939 --> 01:22:09.500 like, in a lot of ways, they're probably right. 01:22:09.640 --> 01:22:13.199 But like, God, this is what, this is what I live 01:22:13.199 --> 01:22:17.020 for. And it's just like peak mellow drama. Like 01:22:17.020 --> 01:22:20.609 it's, it's. It's like it's no different from 01:22:20.609 --> 01:22:23.029 like I say, it's like very this one reads like 01:22:23.029 --> 01:22:25.989 very Chekhov to me, where it's like these sort 01:22:25.989 --> 01:22:28.789 of tortured souls and all these secrets being 01:22:28.789 --> 01:22:32.170 exposed through like legal action that no one 01:22:32.170 --> 01:22:36.289 wants to. confront and it's like it's a lot like 01:22:36.289 --> 01:22:38.670 it's firing on all cylinders and like we were 01:22:38.670 --> 01:22:41.470 satisfied with just a fight between Heather and 01:22:41.470 --> 01:22:43.729 Whitney I mean and we were satisfied with just 01:22:43.729 --> 01:22:45.390 a fight between Mary and Whitney and first and 01:22:45.390 --> 01:22:48.869 we thought like you can go little girl was like 01:22:48.869 --> 01:22:52.270 great and then we didn't know this was like right 01:22:52.270 --> 01:22:56.939 around the corner just Like, and again, we love 01:22:56.939 --> 01:22:59.279 the moments that are like, they're so real that 01:22:59.279 --> 01:23:01.340 like there were obviously this wasn't scripted 01:23:01.340 --> 01:23:04.060 or like nothing was fake about like producers 01:23:04.060 --> 01:23:07.239 being surprised by this and, and just everyone. 01:23:07.800 --> 01:23:10.699 I mean, even Jen being surprised by it. Like, 01:23:10.739 --> 01:23:15.520 it's just so satisfying. I do like Jen being 01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:17.819 surprised by it. Like, I think the one thing 01:23:17.819 --> 01:23:21.029 like I've always asked myself is like. did she 01:23:21.029 --> 01:23:23.569 actually believe either a she was going to get 01:23:23.569 --> 01:23:25.529 away with it or b what she was doing was not 01:23:25.529 --> 01:23:28.609 like one of those two things has to be true right 01:23:28.609 --> 01:23:31.130 yeah and i want to know which one it was because 01:23:31.130 --> 01:23:33.029 like either one of them you're just like you're 01:23:33.029 --> 01:23:38.289 not smart or you were a sociopath like my yeah 01:23:38.289 --> 01:23:41.649 my i tend to lean towards sociopath and i wonder 01:23:41.649 --> 01:23:44.109 i was like i feel like i wonder if she had it 01:23:44.109 --> 01:23:46.970 set up in her mind like in a way that like stew 01:23:46.970 --> 01:23:50.779 would take the fall for everything illegal That's 01:23:50.779 --> 01:23:53.239 what I wonder. I'm not sure. Do you know that 01:23:53.239 --> 01:23:56.600 he still has not been sentenced? Really? No. 01:23:56.939 --> 01:24:01.420 The way that I have done deep dives on this, 01:24:01.500 --> 01:24:02.640 because I'm like, I want to know everything. 01:24:03.020 --> 01:24:04.380 Because you know I'm applying to law school. 01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:08.279 I did not follow what happened. I just sort of 01:24:08.279 --> 01:24:13.199 assumed he had the same fate as Jen. No. Like... 01:24:13.779 --> 01:24:18.920 Did he turn on her? He must have. They start 01:24:18.920 --> 01:24:22.460 being represented together. I don't think they 01:24:22.460 --> 01:24:24.939 were ever represented together from the beginning, 01:24:25.159 --> 01:24:27.939 but I do know that almost immediately when the 01:24:27.939 --> 01:24:31.060 trial started, they had zero contact after that. 01:24:31.300 --> 01:24:33.899 It was their legal team speaking to each other. 01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:42.039 Stu was the last one to turn on Jen. I think 01:24:42.039 --> 01:24:45.800 that... like i that might be like his saving 01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:49.020 grace is like i'm i'm gonna get out of this like 01:24:49.020 --> 01:24:51.460 yeah save himself which sucks but like because 01:24:51.460 --> 01:24:53.979 because if you read like a lot of the court transcripts 01:24:53.979 --> 01:24:55.600 every single one of them knew what was going 01:24:55.600 --> 01:24:57.539 on every single one of them were putting people 01:24:57.539 --> 01:25:01.699 yeah yeah but like i'm just like stew is not 01:25:01.699 --> 01:25:05.300 innocent so like he's not innocent but he wasn't 01:25:05.300 --> 01:25:08.159 like the mastermind or he was only a partial 01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:11.279 mastermind like right i mean if he's if he's 01:25:11.279 --> 01:25:14.810 not if he's not equally as guilty as jen like 01:25:14.810 --> 01:25:17.029 he's still guilty like i don't care like yeah 01:25:17.029 --> 01:25:21.390 he was her like number two guy right but yeah 01:25:21.390 --> 01:25:24.430 that's that's that dear listener what a wild 01:25:24.430 --> 01:25:27.529 ride i always ask people this like if you had 01:25:27.529 --> 01:25:29.050 to be friends with any of the women from the 01:25:29.050 --> 01:25:35.270 show who would it be oh i mean i feel like i 01:25:35.270 --> 01:25:37.010 would have the most fun bantering with heather 01:25:37.010 --> 01:25:40.210 but like my heart just says whitney I agree. 01:25:40.409 --> 01:25:42.909 I was like, I know she'd let me get on the pole 01:25:42.909 --> 01:25:45.350 and be real fun and sweet, like teaching me how 01:25:45.350 --> 01:25:47.710 to do it. And she just seems like such a fun 01:25:47.710 --> 01:25:50.350 time who always wants to see the best in people. 01:25:50.409 --> 01:25:54.649 Like, I love it. And like, I love that she's 01:25:54.649 --> 01:25:59.750 so like, she's so sweet and innocent, but she's 01:25:59.750 --> 01:26:02.109 also like a dirty girl. Like she's just like, 01:26:02.149 --> 01:26:06.239 like she's like. I would get along with her so 01:26:06.239 --> 01:26:08.060 well. I'm so glad you said that because I completely 01:26:08.060 --> 01:26:11.439 agree. Yeah. I love her. I just want to, like, 01:26:11.439 --> 01:26:14.279 hang out in a hot tub with her and, like, dish. 01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:17.779 And just, like, tell her all my secrets. Totally. 01:26:18.699 --> 01:26:22.260 But this has been really cool. Thank you so much 01:26:22.260 --> 01:26:25.000 for coming on. Like, I have been looking forward 01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:28.500 to this. There's an open door for you anytime 01:26:28.500 --> 01:26:31.680 you want to come back. I have not shut up to 01:26:31.680 --> 01:26:36.430 a single person. sure but like this is this has 01:26:36.430 --> 01:26:38.710 been so great and you're so fun you're so cool 01:26:38.710 --> 01:26:40.750 plug whatever you want tell the people where 01:26:40.750 --> 01:26:43.109 they can find you oh my gosh um you can listen 01:26:43.109 --> 01:26:47.310 to my show hot masterpiece theater where we unpack 01:26:47.310 --> 01:26:50.670 uh our favorite scenes from reality tv and talk 01:26:50.670 --> 01:26:54.630 about why they're actually high art and why you're 01:26:54.630 --> 01:26:58.010 not trash for liking trash tv because because 01:26:58.010 --> 01:27:01.189 it's great and so yeah so i talk to fun people 01:27:01.189 --> 01:27:03.590 i break down like different archetypes that we 01:27:03.590 --> 01:27:07.909 see in reality tv and it's a good time so check 01:27:07.909 --> 01:27:11.029 us out at hot masterpiece pod on instagram and 01:27:11.029 --> 01:27:14.270 like wherever you listen to podcasts oh yeah 01:27:14.270 --> 01:27:17.829 i'll put it all in the show notes um also everyone 01:27:17.829 --> 01:27:20.689 needs to go buy a copy of your book it is that's 01:27:20.689 --> 01:27:24.430 so sweet i'm so like i i'm not like i want to 01:27:24.430 --> 01:27:26.229 start a book club just to revolve around that 01:27:26.229 --> 01:27:29.670 book it's such a good book But thank you so much 01:27:29.670 --> 01:27:31.609 for being here, Jalinta. You've been an absolute 01:27:31.609 --> 01:27:34.989 treasure and a gem. And I can't wait to do this 01:27:34.989 --> 01:27:36.149 again. Oh, my gosh.